[00:00] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [00:00] lies [00:00] I'm having a bit of trouble getting X over ssh. It was working fine on the lan when i was at the house though now that i'm away it's not working. X? [00:00] ssh works though no X [00:01] dive: yeah, I have colors set in ~/.Xdefaults. [00:01] comment them out [00:01] restart terminal [00:01] i set the display to (this ip address):3 and opened an X display on localhost:3 [00:02] ok, brb. [00:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [00:02] though my remote machine fails to connect [00:02] any idea why this might be happening? [00:02] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [00:02] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [00:02] fire|bird, wb [00:02] thanks. [00:02] argh, still peach. :( [00:03] enay better? [00:03] no, :( [00:03] ha 'enay' [00:03] firebird719 (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:03] then there is the colours in terminal options [00:03] firebird719 (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:03] xterm Xt error: Can't open display: (myiphere:3) [00:03] s/is/are [00:03] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [00:03] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [00:04] the colors are the same in yakuake, konsole (which yakuake uses settings from), and xfce terminal. [00:04] how can you have gone on so long with those colours? [00:04] ok, I'm in urxvt, someone say my nick please? [00:04] I bet pkgtool looks peachy (snigger) [00:05] fire|bird, [00:05] haha [00:05] well? [00:05] argh, still friggen peach, yet now, everyhing else, aside from when I type, is a light purple. :( [00:06] well I'm beginning to think perhaps you're right and config is fscked [00:06] mv it to config.old and restart perhaps? [00:06] ah also [00:06] what are TERM and COLORTERM? [00:07] TERM is rxvt-unicode and COLORTERM is rxvt? <---you mean that? [00:08] Anyway to use symbols, not unicode or anything, but like ~^~ to look like a bird? :P [00:08] are you in screen? [00:08] dive: whoops, yeah. :P [00:08] export DISPLAY=:0.0 ? [00:09] mv: cannot stat `/tmp/SBo/package-qemu/usr/share/man': No such file or directory [00:09] lol i cant even install it [00:09] sigh [00:09] well TERM and COLORTERM ought to be xterm and xterm-256color I thinl [00:09] missyjane: you fail. :P [00:09] fogus (n=fogus@d75-157-237-3.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] missyjane, blame thrice` [00:10] fire|bird, did you change TERM variables in .bashrc or something? [00:10] dive: they are in, for example, konsole, but I'm in urxvt [00:10] ah [00:10] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:10] ok then [00:10] dive: no, my ~/.zshrc is very minimal [00:10] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [00:10] ah xsh [00:10] zsh [00:10] nah [00:10] im just.. [00:11] depressed now [00:11] eviljame1 (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [00:11] sec, let me try without screen. [00:11] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [00:11] i just dont feel like making a 5gb space for my setup [00:11] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [00:11] i feel this pressuure in my chest, like if i dont succeed, then i suck hard [00:11] :( [00:11] ok, say my nick please? [00:11] fire|bird, [00:11] fire|bird, *moans* [00:11] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh [00:11] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: [00:11] this is just friggen peachy. :P [00:12] then perhaps .screenrc... [00:12] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] it's the same colors without screen. :( [00:12] TERM in screen should be 'screen' [00:12] ah [00:12] :( :( :( [00:12] ok then close irssi, backup config, rm it etc restart... [00:13] ok [00:13] maybe just maybe [00:13] you disabled all your scripts by the way? [00:14] what would be a good to append to a nick as a primary nick, ^, _, or what? [00:14] dive: yeah [00:14] I use ^ [00:14] some use _ [00:14] anything that would look like a bird? :P like ~^~ or something? [00:14] that looks like a tit [00:14] hahahahaha [00:15] ~~> [00:15] spermsmsss [00:15] Well, if that was a tit, then your's there is tit's ~~> this way. :P [00:15] anyway it will get cut off probably [00:15] maybe [00:16] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:16] :D [00:16] eeek [00:16] scary eh? [00:16] phoenix^, [00:16] woot! [00:16] got the X over ssh to work [00:16] mrselfpwn: \o/ [00:16] lol [00:16] you need to close all irssi's if you are going to mv config [00:17] dive: this one get your approval? [00:17] :P [00:17] it's ok ;-) [00:17] ok, just ok. :P [00:17] Action: phoenix^ storms off. :D [00:17] dive: better than frame|buffer? [00:17] yes [00:17] cool [00:18] tk3000 (n=tk3000@adsl-68-77-109-141.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:18] I was trying to get something that resembled a bird after phoenix (because just phoenix is taken) but nothing seemed to work right. I could have used a unicode symbol, but then to some it'd be "???" or something. :P [00:19] irc probably wouldnt let you use a unicode symbol [00:19] probably not [00:19] I'm on opera irc right now. :D [00:19] with this nick [00:19] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [00:19] any of you already played with nftables on slack-current ? [00:19] after dredging over tons of useless ubuntu forums guess whose post i found that finally helped in the most strait forward _easy_to_follow_ guide? [00:19] dive: Now I'll trying a fresh irssi config. [00:19] ok [00:20] alien bob [00:20] lol [00:20] mrselfpwn: :D [00:20] nice [00:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Here I go"). [00:20] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:20] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-100.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [00:21] hello folks. I am trying to compie the foo2zjs (printer drivers,etc) which gives an error indicating the following "/usr/include/bits/errno.h:25:26" it turns out that the file errno.h has a reference for a header fiole " #include " which simply does not exist. I believe that glibc-devel is included in the glibc package for slackware, is that correct? Any other packaged with libs? [00:22] slackware doesn't have separate devel packages, so yeah glibc includes all the headers etc [00:22] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [00:22] scubacuda (n=rog@qity-cphi01.v02.tylrtx.sta.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [00:24] dive: yeah, I understand that. But still there is something amiss and according to my /var/log/packages/ glibc is installled [00:24] tk3000: if /usr/include/bits/errno.h doesn't exist, then you don't have the main glibc package installed [00:24] dive: do you have irssi term_force_colors set? [00:24] tk3000: or something removed that file, because it *is* included in the glibc package [00:24] phoenix^, I think so, let me checl [00:24] yes [00:24] DeeeeP_ (n=ngomes@bl4-165-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] ok, thanks [00:24] rworkman: it does exist, but errno.h in its line 25 has a referece that that seems to be the source of the error [00:25] tk3000: hrm, 12.2's glibc didn't ship actually [00:25] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] just a sec; let me check something [00:25] sure [00:26] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-24-23-240-231.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Success [00:26] I got them in dev86 and linux headers [00:26] it [00:26] if you look at line 25 of the errno.h it should have an include directive with the following: " include < linux/errno.h> " [00:27] I just booted off the installer dvd for the first time: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/slackware64-current-28_Jul_2009-DVD.iso . the trouble is that I don't see any hd* entries under /dev. I have not formatted this disk yet (it is a SSD). what do I need to do? [00:27] and apparently it does not exist and is the source of the error for the whole compilation process [00:27] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.102.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [00:28] I was wrong. /usr/include/linux/errno.h does exist on 12.2 [00:28] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] rworkman: the computer I am having the issue is a slackware 11.0.0 [00:29] ohhh [00:29] I don't have anything that far back. [00:29] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Connection timed out [00:29] foo2zjs then depends on a newer libc than 11.0 had. [00:29] package browser? [00:30] someone say my nick, please? [00:30] fire|bird, [00:30] Say my name, bitch. [00:30] :( [00:30] still peach [00:30] and pink [00:30] what the..... [00:30] indeed [00:30] This is insanity. I'm in konsole atm, no screen or anything. :/ [00:30] just irssi [00:30] tk3000: btw, foo2zjs is a pile of shit, fwiw. [00:31] fire|bird: create a new user account and try it there. [00:31] this is madness [00:31] fire|bird: no, this is insane: its around 35C in here [00:31] and the RH is somewhere around 200% [00:31] it got to 41 in the sun where I live today [00:31] fogus, no, this is insane: dawn is breaking [00:31] night all [00:32] dive: wow. its just getting dark here [00:32] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.51.123) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] night [00:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] anyone know what I have to do to see my unformatted disk under /dev so I can mount it? [00:33] rowrkman: yeah, possibly. But still errno.h is part of the c standard library, and there is a reference in it that points to something that simply does not exist... make something is broke. I am suspecting taht may " swaret" is the culprit.. Yeah I look for something else besides foo2zjs! [00:33] fogus: 15C here atm. :D [00:33] fogus, this look familar? [00:33] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/x-forwarding-in-slack-over-ssh-unable-to-open-display-451697/ [00:33] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [00:34] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [00:34] about your disk; fdisk doesn't show it at all? [00:34] tk3000: yeah, good point. Sounds like the headers are out of sync with each other somehow. [00:34] mrselfpwn: should it look familiar? [00:34] thought it was you [00:34] anyway, your disk isn't showing up at all? [00:35] haha, opera's default Maximum font size is 10,000 :P [00:35] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [00:35] mrselfpwn: well, I'm new at this. I don't see any hd* entries under /dev [00:35] mrselfpwn: does that mean that it isn't showing up? [00:35] a simple fdisk -l should display it [00:35] mrselfpwn: the "old fogie" guy? [00:36] tk3000: oh, and swaret could break a titanium anvil. [00:36] yes, i thought you were old fogie in disguise :P [00:36] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:36] mrselfpwn: well, not me. yes, fdisk -l seems to show a disk. thanks. [00:37] i was wondering because i was gonna let him know that post from 3 years ago helped me out [00:37] Action: fogus writes this step down [00:37] mrselfpwn: hah. cool [00:37] Ugh, opera irc's fonts are just too small by default. :/ [00:37] hum, i'm trying to compile libnl-nft but didn't figure out how to configure, there is no "configure" file and the makefile let me know that it need to be configured before making his stuff [00:37] fogus: what Slackware version are you on, and what desktop environment are you using? [00:37] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:37] rworkman: I just booted off the installer dvd for the first time: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/pub/linux/ISO-images/slackware/Current-ISO-build/slackware64-current-28_Jul_2009-DVD.iso . [00:38] oh [00:38] he didn't know where is /dev/ was [00:38] jeebus, modem death :( [00:38] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames [00:38] The only hint i see is a install.sh which i can't figure out how it could works [00:38] eviljames: ouch. :P [00:39] phoenix^: meh, 20 minutes of downtime isn't so bad... [00:39] :P [00:39] Emeau, is there an autogen.sh? [00:39] nop [00:39] tried 'autoconf'? [00:39] there is one for the nftables snapshot but not for the lib [00:39] rworkman: am about to go post on lq in response to your test, fyi [00:39] zed_DX (n=kvirc@187.146.159.250) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [00:39] erf... [00:40] eviljames: thanks [00:40] mrselfpwn: can you recommend a normal (DVD boot) install guide. [00:40] didn't, i'll try [00:40] weel, i sould note it to remenber this command ;) [00:40] Thanks a lot dive :) [00:40] np [00:40] Emeau: link to source tarball, please? [00:41] eviljames: thanks :) [00:41] mrselfpwn: what's the difference between "sda" and "sda1" [00:41] rworkman: np. i think your packages pretty much resolve any issues I had seen. [00:41] after that's run you should be able to .configure --prefix=/usr etc.. [00:41] eviljames: outstanding. [00:41] haha that needed teh smiley face otherwise I would have thought your original thanks a little too severe. [00:41] http://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=libnl-nft.git;a=snapshot;h=c522f020475763c20e96965807a37092acb7e049;sf=tgz [00:41] rworkman: I trust all GMA950 issues are worked out? If not..the nude trip is ON [00:41] for libnl-nft [00:42] http://git.netfilter.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=nftables.git;a=snapshot;h=236838e0a2b1694c72098411802f411eccba7d12;sf=tgz [00:42] for nftables [00:42] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [00:42] straterra: no idea; probably though [00:42] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:43] Emeau: yep, run autoconf [00:43] Emeau, after that's run you should be able to ./configure --prefix=/usr etc.. [00:43] yep, that works greatly :)) [00:43] Yep, good job, dive :) [00:43] uhh... guys? [00:43] yw :-) [00:43] sda1 is the first partition on device sda [00:44] yep, i'm "used to" the other compilation part [00:44] fogus needs a guide! [00:44] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [00:44] sda is the entire disk [00:44] rworkman, im going to look for a picture to pay you back [00:44] mrselfpwn: oh, I see [00:44] for that insulting picture you showed me [00:44] jeev: haha [00:44] :) [00:44] i'm RDP'ing from a i never meet autoconf before, never had to compile from git repository [00:44] #include [00:44] i ownder if i could play call of duty 4 over ms rdp! [00:44] lol [00:44] you know you love tha tlemonparty stuff [00:44] from what i hear, you had a great impression of the goatsecx guy too [00:45] Emeau, you come across it often in git/svn/cvs [00:45] you should really read Slackbook (link located at top) fogus. [00:45] Emeau, and sometimes there's an ./autogen.sh [00:45] yep, that's the case for the nftable git ;) [00:46] fogus, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGNgKXd0EoQ [00:47] gabriel: sweet! [00:47] mrselfpwn: thanks for the book! [00:47] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [00:48] eviljame1 (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [00:49] eviljame1: ahh, not you again. :P [00:49] seriously [00:49] he smells like turd [00:49] read it then thank yourself fogus [00:49] mrselfpwn: will do. [00:52] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:52] erf.. i'm noobing up again, well, i've configured and installed libnl-nft, but when i'm trying to compile nftables it isn't able to find it [00:52] wtf [00:52] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:52] i installed libnl-nft in /usr/local/bin and specified it to nftables configuration (with --libdir=/usr/local/lib) [00:53] :( [00:53] why me... [00:53] erf, installed libnl-nft in /usr/local/lib* [00:54] Nick change: eviljame1 -> ass|hat [00:54] hum, i surely need to rtfm [00:55] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [00:58] gypsydawg (n=mike@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [00:58] gypsydawg (n=mike@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:00] gypsydawg (n=mike@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:00] tweek (n=tweek@ip68-99-125-218.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:01] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:02] and just like that.....silence. [01:02] hrm [01:03] Ah, it will be silent no longer, ass|hat is here. [01:03] heh, something wicked this way comes. [01:04] We have enough asshats here. [01:04] ;-) [01:05] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-34-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [01:05] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:05] scubacuda_ (n=rog@vpn.itshidden.com) joined ##slackware. [01:05] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:05] Nick change: ass|hat -> eviljames [01:06] scubacuda_ (n=rog@vpn.itshidden.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:06] gypsydawg (n=mike@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "beam-me-up-scotty" [01:10] rworkman, work your magic and make my cpu know how to virtualize [01:11] i have a 6600, now go get that voodoo doll of yours :( [01:11] rworkman's good, but he's not that good. :P [01:11] phoenix^, fixed it? [01:11] dive: nope, still pinks and peaches. :P [01:12] Action: phoenix^ listens to Shindown - What a Shame. :P [01:12] question: In my screenshot does it look pink and peachy to you? [01:12] dive: let me look at it again. sec. [01:13] er no that couldn't be it [01:13] dive: nope, not at all, looks great in the ss. [01:13] spectre- (n=Uganda@41.210.144.95) left irc: "Leaving" [01:14] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:14] BURIAL (n=burial@212.5.152.82) joined ##slackware. [01:15] hello, pls somebody help me with pppoe in slackware 12.1 :] [01:15] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [01:15] tweek (n=tweek@ip68-99-125-218.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:16] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:18] gypsydawg (n=mike@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:18] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [01:19] comp__ (n=comp_@210.150.186.60) joined ##slackware. [01:19] one last question guys: how do I shut this thing down so I can go read? the "shutdown -h now" command is not working. I am at the start of the install [01:20] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: Client Quit [01:20] fogus: are you wanting to abandon installation efforts right now? [01:20] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Skaperen: yes. I feel the need. the need to read! [01:21] exactly at what point are you? I assume in setup? [01:21] Skaperen: I found the disk with fdisk -l. that's it [01:22] BURIAL (n=burial@212.5.152.82) left irc: [01:22] I put the slackbook onto my ebook reader [01:22] and you are booted from an ISO [01:22] yeah [01:22] Skaperen: I could pull the plug [01:22] nothing is mounted? [01:22] no [01:22] you could ... or try "halt -fp" [01:22] Skaperen: normally does shutdown -h now work? [01:22] scubacuda (n=rog@qity-cphi01.v02.tylrtx.sta.suddenlink.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] it should work, but I can't say I've ever tried it during install [01:23] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [01:24] Skaperen: it says "system halted" [01:24] didn't power off? [01:24] no. I didn't do the "p" though, just the f [01:24] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [01:24] oh [01:24] flip the switch or pull the plug as the case needs [01:24] Skaperen: it didn't have the "p" in the "halt -?" menu [01:25] oh, maybe the busybox halt didn't include it [01:25] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:26] busybox is a nice compact run environment for in-ram and embedded systems [01:26] but stuff gets left out to accomplish that [01:26] comp__ (n=comp_@210.150.186.60) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:26] Skaperen: I see. [01:26] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:26] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: Client Quit [01:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:27] Thunar has lost it's mind [01:27] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [01:28] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: Client Quit [01:28] I first noticed that it was taking FOREVER to delete things to the trash. Then it started taking a long time just to load folder contents. Just now I tried to copy a file and it locked up. SSH from another box revealed both cores at 100%, ram full, swap full, and /bin/sh spawning itself over and over again recursively. [01:29] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [01:29] hey, is the swap the pagefile? [01:30] fogus, in windows talk, yes [01:31] hiptobecubic: how big should it be in your opinion? [01:31] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [01:31] fogus, it depends on what you are doing. Some people do without it completely. [01:31] If you want hibernate, it needs to be at least as big as your ram. [01:32] hiptobecubic: I have 4GB of ram and I will be serving files. do I need it? [01:32] hiptobecubic: slackware can hibernate? [01:32] linux can hibernate, yes. [01:32] sweet! [01:33] Serving files on what kind of scale? [01:33] Skaperen: what does the -p do? [01:33] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [01:33] ok guise [01:33] If you have the space, just make one, it can't hurt. [01:33] i wanna upgrade to kde4, but i dont know what that will break :( [01:33] missyjane, upgrade to -current [01:33] unless you build it yourself for 12.1 and figure out all of the new packages and new deps that 12.1 doesn't have, you can't. [01:33] otherwise it will be much harder to keep track i think. [01:34] hiptobecubic: soho. I have about 5TB of stuff to share and 12 disks encrypted and raided on RAID 6. [01:34] hiptobecubic, but wouldnt that be risky? [01:34] i mean seriously, is there a risk in that? [01:34] missyjane, much less risky then doing what antiwire said which is your only other option. [01:35] I've been running current since the day i started using slackware and haven't had any complaints. [01:35] none that were -current's fault anyway [01:35] twolf: That didn't work for getting the video from my camcorder. :P [01:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:36] re folks :> [01:38] fogus: the -p option on halt would have powered the computer off at the end, if it were implemented in that copy of halt [01:38] hiptobecubic, wait, what version slackware do you have? [01:38] ... -current [01:38] but i have 12.1 tho :| [01:38] .. [01:39] missyjane, upgrade to -current [01:39] and to top it off, there is certainly no clear upgrade path from 12.1 to -current [01:39] you'd be on your own [01:39] thats the thing antiwire i was afraid of that [01:39] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt2-port-100.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [01:39] antiwire, can't she go through 12.2 ? [01:39] Or is there no path from 12.1 to 12.2 [01:39] i didn't say it's not possible but it's not supported [01:40] missyjane, what's stopping your from reinstalling? [01:40] you* [01:40] reinstalling slackware 12.1 if something goes wrong? very very time consuming is what [01:40] As far as I know, it would be an offline upgrade [01:40] (wow. a "she") [01:40] ie: bootdisk upgrade only [01:40] whats stopping you from enjoying the solid 12.1 and not fussing with upgrades? [01:40] mancha, kde4, based on screenshots made me drool [01:41] oh, kde gives me indigestion [01:41] jiraia_ (n=jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:7d) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:41] not me, it made me happy [01:41] mancha: take some pepto-bismol :P [01:42] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: "leaving" [01:42] ;) [01:42] kde4 is awesome. I love it. [01:42] antiwire, seriously though, do you think its worth it? [01:42] hiptobecubic, i already know you think i should upgradde from kde3 in 12.1 to kde4 in -current [01:43] you can't do that ^ [01:43] D: [01:43] it will not work. [01:43] Action: missyjane starts to weep [01:43] ok [01:43] thats what i expecting [01:43] hm any suggestion? [01:43] wait for 13 [01:44] antiwire: wait: why wait? [01:44] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [01:44] :'( thats.. heartwrenching. how did YOU get it to work then? [01:44] I run -current and test for the team [01:45] missyjane: fresh install of -current. :P [01:45] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [01:45] i dont mind running -current... [01:45] missyjane, then install -current [01:45] Action: missyjane ponders if its worth it [01:45] as i was saying. [01:46] does installing slackware current help you guys test tslackware? [01:46] i get segfaults when running ircii inside screen. libnss_files-2.7.so is what is borking - any suggestions/ideas? [01:46] Emeau (i=1000@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:47] People running the current tree only help if they know what they are doing, enough to know when something isn't right and enough to create decent reports. [01:47] that's not a pop shot at anyone, it's just the truth [01:47] ooh [01:47] missyjane, -current is just newer software. It's less tested because it's newer, it's not like it doesn't work. [01:47] hiptobecubic, bleh, i understand [01:48] and even if you are not a quality tester, there's nothing to stop you from running current anyway. [01:48] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) joined ##slackware. [01:48] The more hardware scenarios that are seen, the better. [01:49] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:49] hm id like to help too [01:49] to kill two birds with a stone [01:49] Haha. Has anyone seen firefox 3.5's error when it can't recover your windows and tabs? [01:49] Action: missyjane drools at kde4s beautiful looks [01:49] Action: missyjane stabs hiptobecubic [01:49] not funny [01:49] i get that with 3, 3.0.1 [01:49] hiptobecubic: I get that under xp [01:50] Action: phoenix^ takes missyjane's knife away. :) [01:50] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:50] The error message is funny. I like it. [01:50] not funny when you have tons of tabs opened like me [01:50] I meant to screenshot it, but i pressed the wrong keyboard shortcut. [01:51] and all something important [01:51] 3.5 has a serious 0day, why would you run it? [01:51] "Well this is embarrassing." [01:52] bind has a serious 0day, dd-wrt has a serious 0day, dhclient has a serious 0day... [01:52] 3.5 has been doing wonderfully for me. It 'crashed' because i had to kill X because thunar went ape nuts. [01:52] it's not like these are new [01:52] What's 0day? [01:52] also, boo dd-wrt yay for open-wrt [01:52] hiptobecubic, error not fixedd before release [01:52] some rich family tried to get me to hook up with their daughter (i've never seen her) but they're rich, she has a house and 36 total units of apartments [01:52] ah [01:52] was going to be mine if i got in on it lol [01:53] basically an attack to an unpatched vulnerability [01:53] my girlfriend is fine. [01:53] jeev, but not rich. [01:53] jeev: you're supposed to marry her without a prenup [01:53] hiptobecubic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero_day_attack [01:53] ..... [01:53] bind is a possible dos whicle ff3.5 is priviledge escalation [01:53] antiwire: I thought a prenup was a divorse [01:54] but listing a lot of 0days doesn't justify running a known broken apop, not sure i follow your logic [01:54] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:54] fogus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenup :) [01:54] mancha, pretty much every softtware out there has 0days [01:55] just some are discovered and some are not [01:55] wow i just felt like an expert there [01:55] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) left irc: Connection timed out [01:55] A gurl hacker in the circle? [01:57] Thom1 (n=Thom1@51.233.84-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [01:57] there's a big difference between knowing apps have undiscovered vulnerabilities and one that has a known one, has exploits in the wild, and is unpatched, imho [01:57] I'm fed up with 0day activeX exploits. that's all that "security now" talks about it seems [01:57] so don't use ActiveX [01:57] gibson says that 0days are security holes being actively exploited [01:58] missyjane: I think I had a class with you... [01:58] Skaperen: I don't. I'm fed up with hearing about them [01:58] positron`, lol [01:58] mancha, not really, the thing is, youd ont know who knows the vulnerability and who doesnt [01:58] fogus: I'm sure Steve Balmer is, too [01:58] hahaha [01:58] missyjane i guess we'll just disagree then since i think you're wrong. so i avoid ff3.5 [01:58] the question now is, will he actually do what it takes to bring an end to such exploits [01:59] that is what 0day means ... that there are 0 days between warning and doom [01:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. [02:00] mancha, most stuff i get from ##security and other security experts so :) youll be disagreeing with them too [02:00] Killbits lets you disable some ActiveX controls, you know. [02:00] missy, i am not out to gauge my e-penis against you. do as you wish [02:00] lol [02:01] im not either but im simply saying its not really valid to treat firefox any differen than other apps [02:01] joannis (n=joannis@adsl-dyn219.78-99-108.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [02:01] yes, i avoid _all_ apps with serious unpatched vulnerabilities, i ony mentioned ff3.5 because osmeone here was tlaking about it [02:01] missyjane: well, I treat it differently than IE [02:02] mancha, how do you know which app has serious vulner and which doesnt? [02:02] giuppy (n=giuppy@host86-173-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Nick collision from services. [02:03] missy, i think i'm not getting through let me repeat. i make a big distinction between a vulnerability that is publicly reported and which has allowed gazillion folks creating the exploits from those with potential vulnerabilities [02:03] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [02:03] giuppy (n=giuppy@host86-173-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:03] some vulnerabilities that arent public are being exploited, if you get what i meant [02:04] this is similar to me avoiding foods deep fried in fatty oils (known to be bad). yes all foods might be bad too but no, i don't think starving myself is the answer. [02:04] not rich at all [02:04] very low middle class but i dont care [02:04] its called risk management if you want a google term [02:05] drumroll... [02:05] http://downloads.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities/exploits/35848.txt [02:05] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:06] hm [02:06] hi alisonken1noc <3 [02:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:07] missyjane: Yo [02:07] so what's [02:07] hm [02:08] for? I missed the earlier part [02:08] hey alisonken1noc, how's it going? [02:08] alisonken1noc: If you haven't seen this yet https://www.isc.org/node/474 [02:09] Yo phoenix^ [02:10] a [02:10] b [02:10] also, this helps understand it http://www.net-dns.org/docs/ [02:10] antiwire: interesting. wonder if any of our servers have upgraded yet? have to check [02:10] holy crap i am affected [02:11] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [02:11] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:11] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:11] well, now does any one have problem with mplayer context menu while playing the video ? [02:12] buffer: crashing mplayer if you try to use it? [02:12] i mean in 13rc1. [02:12] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:12] antiwire: no it doesn't but i can't get the menu .. [02:12] Nick change: ogonek|afk -> ogonek [02:12] while playing the video , [02:12] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [02:13] like to switch to full screen etc [02:14] hmmm.. seem like mplayer is working perfect for every one :/ [02:15] burbabro (n=steven@adsl-75-22-228-56.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"). [02:16] Looking for a short tutorial on using torrent. [02:16] in linux [02:16] burbabro: which client ? [02:17] That's another question. Any suggestions? [02:17] I'm using slackware 12.1 w a custom kernel [02:17] There, I'm all better bind-9.4.3_P3-i486-1_ANTI.txz [02:18] antiwire: ? is that a patch for mplayer problem? [02:18] no [02:18] or dns thingie [02:18] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [02:18] burbabro, slack extras has a cli torrent client [02:18] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"). [02:19] thanks mancha. i'll look at cli. [02:19] burbabro: well we have transmissions too .. well its gtk [02:19] http://favorite_mirror/pub/slackware/slackware-12.1/extra/bittorrent/ [02:19] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89AEC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:20] mancha: did you face any problem with mplayer? [02:20] none, i always use cli mplayer, not gui mplayer though, the gui is not good yet imho [02:21] hmm. ok .., but xine works well , but i can't play the flv video with out killing my ears [02:22] i mean xine doesn't give proper audio o/p for flv [02:22] cli stands for command line? [02:22] yah [02:22] command line interface burbabro [02:22] morning [02:22] fogus (n=fogus@d75-157-237-3.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:23] never figured out how to give xine codecs, but no problem with mplayer [02:23] yo slackytude [02:23] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-139-212.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] isnt it typical? I need one website to work with prism and all others I dont care much about. and exactly that one is the one that doesnt work [02:24] y0 buffer [02:24] I was curious so I checked it out http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/gAb42H85.html [02:24] ok - looks like we don't use bind [02:24] joannis (n=joannis@adsl-dyn219.78-99-108.t-com.sk) left irc: "leaving" [02:25] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [02:25] is there any simple slackbuilds script template that i can use for 13rc , other than from the repos ? [02:25] joannis (n=chatzill@adsl-dyn219.78-99-108.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [02:26] y0 slackytude, how's it going? [02:26] phoenix^, firebird? [02:26] Action: phoenix^ nods [02:26] buffer: For the most part, the build scripts for 12.2 will work fine, unless you are working with a qt related build that now uses cmake [02:26] heh [02:27] phoenix^, Im fine although Im at work :( How about you and your laptop? [02:27] burbabro, ktorrent :) [02:27] slackytude: I'm doing great, thanks. The laptop ran for about a half hour earlier, then it quit. :P [02:27] antiwire: so for SB packages we still use the old tgz ? [02:28] buffer: the pkgtools haven't lost support for .tgz [02:28] burbabro, that seems.. too easy? [02:28] whats the problem? [02:28] you should read that changelog section about this [02:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:28] nvm my scroll didnt go down [02:28] sorry ignore me [02:28] antiwire: :) that clears it .. [02:28] what seems too easy missyjane? [02:28] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:28] missyjane: are you serious about what you said yesterday? [02:29] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:29] slackytude: Mostly now, it quites with the test 512k base memory beep code except for the occasional 2 or 3 beeps when I try to start it. [02:30] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [02:31] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [02:31] mrpregnant (n=anon@p4FC74321.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] a funny old ad for mac: http://www4.macnn.com/macnn/articles/unixad.jpg :_) [02:31] not the youtube mrpregnant? [02:31] phoenix^, take it out and shoot it. its a mercy [02:31] buffer,what did i say yesterday? [02:31] burbabro, using torrent on linux [02:31] hehe, no :) [02:31] decke (n=decke@elton.itac.at) joined ##slackware. [02:32] slackytude: NO, it's fixable, I can't shoot it. :P [02:32] shouldn't it be mrspregnant? :P [02:32] only if you haven't seen his vids [02:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] ohmygosh! bind exploit [02:33] wanna see it too? [02:34] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [02:35] mikearr (n=miker@pool-72-91-179-75.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:36] i never knew xpdf was soo good and productive .. wow [02:36] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:36] all ur bind are belongs to Matthias. Someone! set us up the DNS [02:36] mikearr (n=miker@pool-72-91-179-75.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] buffer, thats a joke? [02:36] slackytude: no im serious .. [02:36] its quite godo .. [02:36] good [02:37] O_o [02:37] xpdf, would work fine better than others, if we properly understand the shortcuts and usage .. [02:38] well others like kpdf etc the usage is implied [02:40] mrpregnant (n=anon@p4FC74321.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:41] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [02:41] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:41] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.1/network/claws-mail/ the second requirement enchant can't be found [02:41] okular is an awesome document viewer. better than anything. [02:42] well, I use xpdf as it is pretty lightweight but it dont thinks is useable [02:42] but the discription says i can be found in slackbuilds [02:42] slackytude: open up a pdf in xpdf [02:42] slava does it read djvu? [02:42] slackytude, for lightweight use epdfview. i use it on the lappy, it flies. [02:42] and press alt+f [02:42] yeah, use that as well sometimes [02:42] then try out w / z [02:42] buffer: define can't be found? [02:42] keys [02:43] mancha, iirc it does. not on kde4 now, can't prove. [02:43] got some problems with it on occasion, tho [02:43] good morning btw, slava_dp [02:43] buffer: you're still on 12.1? [02:43] BP{k}: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=enchant&sv=12.2 this my defini of found [02:43] BP{k}: no 13 [02:43] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] but i need claw mail [02:43] slackytude, morning o/ [02:44] buffer: then why do you point to the slackbuild for 12.1 [02:44] clawsmail only needs libetpan. [02:44] enchant is part of slackware. [02:44] BP{k}: sorry , my mistake .. [02:44] :) [02:45] off with his head [02:45] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:45] re BP{k} ltns [02:45] indeed! against the wall with him!! [02:45] mancha: howdy . how goes? [02:45] pretty good, just checking up on you folks :) [02:47] hexorcist (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:47] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:47] buffer: IIRC, you should be able to compile 3.7.2 without too much problems. [02:47] (using the 12.2 slackbuild) [02:47] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar [02:47] damnit [02:47] ok good night everyone [02:48] night missyjane [02:48] Heya BP{k}, how's it going? [02:48] burbabro (n=steven@adsl-75-22-228-56.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [02:48] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:49] fire|bird: not bad, about to scoot for a couple of hours soon ;) just decided to pipe up and be the resident wise ass ;) [02:49] lol, good work. :P [02:49] yay shes gone [02:49] Action: nix_chix0r dance [02:49] y0 nix_chix0r, how's it going? [02:49] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (devel) (IRC client for Emacs)"). [02:50] nix_chix0r: hehehe [02:50] happy I see. :P [02:50] lol [02:50] BP{k}: are a claw mail user? o_O [02:50] are you :) [02:50] she's just an odd dyke [02:50] i mean duck [02:50] lol [02:50] lol [02:50] nix_chix0r: you mean "she's just odd." [02:50] right? [02:50] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:51] ya [02:51] clank (n=clank@209.123.234.195) joined ##slackware. [02:52] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.87.248) left irc: "Leaving" [02:52] Decoy- (n=Decoy@rrcs-70-63-108-179.midsouth.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:52] think i might have pulled something in my knee i was squatting 175 yesterday [02:53] nix_chix0r: that dance you were just doing probably didn't help either. :P [02:53] hah yea [02:53] how long is a particular release of slackware support? I have older slackware boxes (11, 10.2, etc) and I really don't feel like upgrading, since they are working just fine... [02:54] in terms of patches to core packages [02:54] clank: iirc, even back to 8.1 is still supported. [02:54] fire|bird, you know you got a good work out when it hurts when ya cough [02:54] nix_chix0r: yeah, I would say so. :) [02:55] clank: security patches for those are still released and will be a while. just make sure you are subscripted to the security mailing list [02:55] nix_chix0r: just don't go hurting yourself. :P bummed up knee, etc. It'd be hard to chase the little one in a wheel chair or Hoveround scooter. :) [02:55] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "c)(AD 13" [02:56] fire|bird/BP{k} ok. yea, I just wanted to know if there was an official date or something [02:56] fire|bird, but with a hoverround i can go to the grand canyon! [02:56] nix_chix0r: true. :) [02:57] clank: nah. I think Pat more or less maintains "so many versions to the past will still be supported". [02:57] nix_chix0r: I can see the headline now "Young woman in hoverround scooter attempts to jump over the grand canyon and falls in" :) [02:57] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:57] wb mancha :) [02:58] hahahah [02:58] thanks, had to re-arrange some tty's [02:58] clank: to give you an idea and to backup what fire|bird was stating: http://slackware.com/security/viewer.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009&m=slackware-security.561471 [02:59] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Action: clank checks when 8.1 was released... [02:59] "a while back" ;) [02:59] wow, 2002 :-) [03:00] dive: It seems as though when various people say my nick, their nick is a different color in irssi, like now, BP{k} said my nick and his nick was light yellow, nix_chix0r said it and it's that peach color, clank said it and it's peach color. Something is weird. :P [03:00] fire|bird: scary! [03:00] clank: yep .. so 10.2/11.0 boxen should be somewhat safe for now in that regard. [03:01] mines always red [03:01] fire|bird: fire|bird fire|bird (all same color?) [03:01] BP{k}: indeed. I was trying out dive's electron theme, and I've been having some issues with it. The colors just aren't right, and it's not his theme. [03:01] clank: lol, yup. [03:01] BP{k}: at least while I'm at this job [03:01] Action: buffer switches from mutt to claw .. [03:02] claws-mail ftw!!!!! [03:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:02] nix_chix0r: you use irssi? [03:02] fire|bird: its quite nice and blends with xfce [03:02] well gtk though [03:03] fire|bird, i was using irssi on my 40" tv it was crazy [03:03] TB, is quite Heavy weight champion [03:03] buffer: agreed, I'm in kde4, but I love claws-mail. I've tried using kontact, etc. but just don't quite care for it as much. The only other one I like is opera's mail client. I am a huge opera fan. :) [03:03] fire|bird: afaik opera is Closed Source,isn't it ? [03:03] buffer: yes, it is, 3.0 is nice, once it comes out. I wish, however, that claws would get tabbed e-mailing. :D [03:03] Action: andrew_46 knows that the coolest dudes use irssi..... [03:03] buffer: yes [03:04] nix_chix0r: HOLY..... [03:04] nix_chix0r: with what, a 128 pt font? :P [03:04] fire|bird: well im a xfce fan, seem like xfce is cute and lovely .. [03:04] Action: clank is running irssi on 30" monitor [03:04] haha no the font was like 14 and i couldnt read it and didn't want to adjust lol [03:05] some day i will code a patch for thumbnails for pics and movies [03:05] buffer: yes, xfce is very nice, I've used it as well, along with fluxbox, but love kde4. :) [03:05] nix_chix0r: haha [03:05] buffer: you mean because it doesn't show the thumbnails? [03:06] i mean for the videos . [03:06] it doesn't [03:06] buffer: yeah, that is annoying. [03:07] :) [03:07] in kde4, I just use dolphin and that shows all the thumbnails as it should, you just hit the Preview button. [03:07] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:08] fire|bird: even for the documents i assume [03:08] tk3000 (n=tk3000@adsl-68-77-109-141.dsl.lgtpmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [03:08] buffer: yeah. [03:08] fire|bird, you should try coke and sprite zero [03:08] great, finally got it :) [03:08] i nvr had the chance use kde4 [03:08] nix_chix0r: I've tried coke zero, very good. :) haven't tried sprite zero though. [03:08] nix_chix0r: i would prefer mentos and coke [03:08] ;P [03:08] taste like the normal stuff just not as syrupy [03:08] forget to set scsi support when you've scsi drives is really stupid... [03:08] buffer: it's very nice, you run current? [03:09] yes fire|bird [03:09] buffer: go give kde4 a shot then. :P [03:09] custom downloaded using alienBOB script [03:09] i was getting tired of going on the treadmill and going great i burned off a coke or two lol [03:09] fire|bird: 475MB [03:09] phroggy (n=phroggy@71-222-125-65.ptld.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:09] it took 2 days [03:09] and diet coke taste horrible as does most diet sodas [03:09] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [03:10] nix_chix0r: I first tried it because of the first Coke Zero 400 nascar race. They offered free coupons by mail to try a coke zero. :) [03:10] buffer: haha. :P [03:10] If you're worried about health why not just stop drinking soda altogether? [03:10] have you tried ubuntu cola? *me ducks* [03:11] diet drinks are worse than the original [03:11] it's made for retards [03:11] oh sweet [03:11] I drink pop occasionally, otherwise I drink alot of water and I really like the Acai Mixed Berry V8 V-Fusion stuff. [03:11] spadxiii (n=spadxiii@212.159.87.219) left irc: "Leaving" [03:11] ubuntu cola - diet? [03:11] mancha: do you not remember the open source cola that was released a few years ago? [03:11] mancha: lol, well, we know what color it'd be. :) [03:11] acai berry is just another stupid marketing scheme [03:11] it's a regular thing [03:11] my ass with all it's bullshit health benefits [03:11] http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ho5Ng-36CoItdM:http://www.perezfox.com/images/ubuntu_cola.jpg [03:12] jeev: yeah, I don't drink it because of the acai name, just that I like that flavor over the others. [03:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink) [03:12] Does anyone here here drink energy drinks like Red Bull? [03:12] nope [03:13] thornheart: yea i do , boiled water with glucose [03:13] mancha: what's the motto for that "I drink because we all drink." ? :P [03:13] joannis (n=chatzill@adsl-dyn219.78-99-108.t-com.sk) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062419]" [03:13] energy drinks are terrible too [03:14] heh, no idea, i like the can though [03:14] so they can focus when reading, etc? [03:15] Action: phroggy wonders whether Patrick had advance notice on the BIND patch [03:15] i can't figure out how to make nftables find rigth libnl, have you any advise ? [03:16] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "{-.-}" [03:17] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:18] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [03:20] axtroz_ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [03:20] phroggy: Slackware's bind package is not vulnerable so there is no real hurry to release a patch [03:22] axtroz__ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) joined ##slackware. [03:23] aren't all bind9 versions affected? [03:24] Did you test Slackware's bind? I diff'd the P2 sources with the P3 release and it seemed like it applied [03:24] I haven't had a chance to make a test bind server yet thought and try it [03:25] alienBOB: excellent to know... but why not? [03:25] though* [03:25] (I mean why isn't it vulnerable, not why is there no hurry) [03:25] i think slack, iirc, is on P1 (9.4.3). if i read this correctly it is affected [03:25] current is at P2 [03:25] mancha: I've got P2 on my box [03:26] thats also affected [03:26] http://pastebin.com/d6c6bb6bd [03:26] rest in peace [03:26] you need P3 on the 9.4.3 branch [03:26] Action: quasar shrugs [03:27] the announcement I saw said all versions of 9 are affected, except for the latest patch, which Slackware certainly doesn't have. [03:27] I trust alienBOB's judgement on this ;) [03:27] freebse (n=freebse@f054181252.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [03:27] freebse (n=freebse@f054181252.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Client Quit [03:29] axtroz (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:29] is the announcement wrong, and the versions Slackware ships with aren't vulnerable? Does Slackware ship with a particular configuration that makes Slackware's packages not vulnerable even though the same version on another distro would be? Or is alienBOB mistaken? [03:29] Action: andrew_46 knows that alienBOB is rarely, if ever, wrong... [03:30] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.90) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:31] phroggy: I'd also think that if Slackware was vulnerable they'd send out something through slackware-security.. got something yesterday about firefox but nothing about bind [03:32] quasar: I'm sure if Slackware is vulnerable, there *will be* such an announcement, but the lack of an announcement currently could mean one of two things: either 1) Slackware is not vulnerable, or 2) Slackware is vulnerable, but no patch has been released yet. [03:33] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [03:33] Morning all [03:33] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:34] well lets make a test bind server that complies to the requirements to cause the problem and test it [03:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [03:34] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [03:35] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [03:35] rapid_ (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:35] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:36] Nick change: rapid_ -> rapid [03:38] phroggy: Slackware's bind configuration makes it not vulnerable by default, But if you alter the configuration your bind can become vulnerable to attack [03:39] There will be an update of course, in due time [03:39] in what way? [03:39] by, say, adding a master zone? [03:39] isc suggests you don't need a daemon that allows dymamic updates to be vulnerable, just an fyi [03:39] axtroz_ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:40] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-34-27.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:40] I can not discuss with you the conversation I had with Pat. He delved into the announcement, I did not. So, I trust his judgement [03:40] axtroz__ (n=axtroz@212.25.53.32) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:41] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-28-204.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [03:44] As I recall, the out-of-the-box configuration is for a caching-only nameserver with no master (or slave) zones, which would technically meet the definition of "not vulnerable by default", but if the exploit is valid on any server that has a master zone, that's not much comfort. On the other hand, if there's some other configuration change I would need to make in order to become vulnerable, and I haven't made it, then I'm totally cool [03:44] with not patching for awhile. [03:44] XandriX2 (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:44] phroggy, if you're a master server for 1+ zones you're screwed [03:45] mm-hmm, that was my impression. [03:45] making your own P3 build is a 5 minute process though [03:45] alienBOB: any interesting in an initrd UUID support patch? http://pastebin.ca/1510092 [03:46] yeah, but the likelihood of getting attacked before an official patch is out is fairly low in my case (no high-profile domains) [03:46] so I think I'll just be nervously lazy. [03:47] mancha / phroggy: test away http://downloads.securityfocus.com/vulnerabilities/exploits/35848.txt [03:47] Action: phroggy has become spoiled by the convenience of slackpkg upgrade-all [03:47] you just need to install Net::DNS [03:48] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Action: SiegeX was spoiled years ago with slapt-get [03:50] SiegeX said the S-G word!!!! [03:51] phroggy, or you could try iptables -A INPUT -p udp --dport 53 -j DROP -m u32 --u32 '30>>27&0xF=5' [03:52] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:52] i thought it was the S-T word you can't say [03:53] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-139-212.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:53] 'RRset exists (value dependent)' prerequisite not satisfied (NXRRSET) [03:53] Kalamansi (n=hd409@unaffiliated/davao) joined ##slackware. [03:54] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:54] oh wait [03:54] that's how it should respond [03:54] there you go, the client couldn't get its dyn update request through [03:55] andrew_46 (n=andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew46) left ##slackware. [03:55] ok [03:55] here's the changes just for kicks http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/oRR3Qj63.html [03:55] here are [03:55] * [03:56] so, I'm still a bit puzzled: [03:56] does this exploit rely on dynamic updates being enabled? [03:56] no [03:57] no, but it relies on dyn update packets getting to your server [03:58] ok, but um.. [03:58] what would prevent them from getting to my server? [03:58] my rule? [03:58] firewalling out dynamic update packets [03:59] but AFAIK I'm not doing that. [03:59] mancha: can you explain your rule, specifically the -m u32 --u32 '30>>27&0xF=5' ? i'm interested [03:59] your thread is relative to my interests ;) [04:00] well you can always try that perl script :o [04:00] phroggy: ^ [04:00] it takes bytes 27,28,29,30, applies the mask and compares to 5 [04:00] ok, there we go [04:00] if this is so it is a dyn update packet [04:00] I messed up the test. [04:00] yozzer (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:01] mancha: so it's testing those fields in the packet for values that only dynamic update packets would have? [04:01] yes [04:01] mancha: nice, thanks. [04:01] specifically a 5 in byte 30 [04:01] with the script configured correctly, it does break BIND. [04:02] phroggy: did you have to set the key vars? [04:02] no [04:02] k [04:02] I commented those out. [04:03] oops, i can't count, byte 2A :) [04:03] phroggy: nasty huh? [04:03] I did have to set $rptr to a valid hostname. [04:03] right [04:04] but it does not need to be different than $rzone [04:05] can a server be configured to require such a packet to be signed? [04:06] and would that mean unsigned packets couldn't break it because they'd be rejected? [04:07] secure dynamic updates and/or DNSSEC would probably fix it [04:07] well, fix it as in, non issue [04:08] the thing is, since I'm not allowing dynamic updates now, how would requiring dynamic updates to be secured help? [04:08] phroggy: I think that is the root of the issue here [04:08] it's mishandling the whole deal [04:08] yeah [04:08] look at that paste i sent up [04:09] the patch? [04:09] phroggy, as long as you're in the testing spirit :) how about trying to crash it after inserting the iptables rule i gave you [04:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) left irc: "leaving" [04:09] they added a whole new check between the else and the end [04:10] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [04:12] mancha: it doesn't work on 2.4... [04:15] and I don't have any 2.6 boxes that are active DNS servers [04:16] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Action: phroggy wonders how many DNS servers are masters for localhost. [04:18] phroggy: can you show us the out put the of the packet script? (sterilized if need be) [04:19] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:19] hang on a sec [04:19] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:19] I have a 2.6 box with BIND installed, but rc.bind is -x and named.conf is stock [04:19] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:21] mancha: confirmed, your firewall rule does block the exploit. [04:21] good deal, well we have a band-aid then :) [04:22] can you make a version that works on 2.4? [04:22] you'd need to patch your kernel for pom [04:23] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:25] oh crap it worked. [04:25] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] here's my slight modification of the exploit script: [04:25] http://pastebin.com/d98b6824 [04:25] phroggy: that's exactly what i did [04:25] it killed bind on -current stock config [04:26] dang. [04:26] yes. [04:26] that's brutal. [04:26] mm-hmm [04:27] Action: phroggy wonders what gave alienBOB and perhaps Patrick a different impression [04:27] alienBOB: heads up Sir we just confirmed [04:28] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:28] Action: phroggy e-mails exploit code to security@ [04:28] yeah man [04:29] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [04:29] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [04:29] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [04:31] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:31] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:34] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:37] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:40] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.44) joined ##slackware. [04:41] guy (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Nick change: guy -> Guest78401 [04:45] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [04:45] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:46] Ehem. I'm running current and un-commented a slack 12.2 mirror(Because it was the first section of mirrors in the config I assumed I was selecting -current) in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors then continued to slackpkg update;slackpkg upgrade-all, about three-quarters through I realized what is happening and now virtual everything is borked, I'm afraid to reboot :(. Is it just best to re-install at this point? [04:47] Nick change: Guest78401 -> stupid [04:47] Nick change: stupid -> Guest31160 [04:47] ehlo [04:48] I also have a suggestion on how mirrors in slackpkg's config are organized :D [04:49] By the way I killed the upgrade once I realized what was happening....... [04:51] Darn, rebooted and now it just constantly reboots after "bios data check successful" appears when lilo loads my slack partition [04:52] reinstall [04:52] save and configs are home dirs first [04:52] a/and/any [04:52] Guest78401: re-install is easiest (do reformat, too) ... hope your data is backed up [04:52] Fortunately no need to really as It's my netbook and I only use it for websurfing [04:53] Guest31160: if you fail to check what you uncomment in the mirrors list then the badness is all your fault of course [04:53] I agree [04:53] Also, you are using an old version of slackpkg on -current if that does not list 13.0 mirrors [04:53] Action: Skaperen always does fresh installs for any version change [04:53] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:53] Also, this is -current , not a stable release [04:54] alienBOB it does list them just I uncommented a 12.2 mirror [04:54] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) left irc: "Leaving." [04:54] Before slackware goes 13.0, the slackpkg mirrors list will be correct. In fact it aslready is correct for slackware-13.0, but there are no 13.0 mirrors yet :-) [04:54] phroggy: interesting test of yours :-) [04:55] Shows that the patch is required [04:56] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:57] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [04:58] Zaba_ (n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba) joined ##slackware. [04:58] hey guys, what's the preferred way of installing stuff from slackbuilds? [04:58] Zaba_: dive in [04:58] installpkg I guess [04:59] Skaperen, ? [04:59] Zaba_: what are you asking? what command to use? [04:59] tar xvf pkg_name.tar.gz && cd pkg_name [04:59] well, I figured I need to download the slackbuild files, build the package, and install it using installpkg [04:59] cuba (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [05:00] guys any idea how to make VIM to not indent each line after pasting couple of them ? [05:00] Zaba_: is there another way? [05:00] . pkg_name.info && wget $DOWNLOAD [05:00] however, I have a big slice of packages I want to install, so I wondered, maybe there's some automated way of doing all ofthat [05:00] of that* [05:00] cuba: :set paste [05:00] for i in *.tgz do; upgradepkg $i; done [05:00] PiterPunk: but where [05:01] cuba: ah i hate that too :/ [05:01] look in /usr/share/vim/vimrc [05:01] cuba: ESC :set paste ENTER, then paste what you need [05:01] you can put the command in your .vimrc, too [05:01] oops, for i in *.tgz; do upgradepk $i; done [05:01] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:02] hm, I guess I could hack together a script for that pretty quickly [05:02] PiterPunk: it throws me back to the vim cmd line [05:02] after I push shift + insert for pasting [05:04] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:04] orion_ (n=orion@78.97.48.135) joined ##slackware. [05:04] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:04] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [05:04] Nick change: orion_ -> Ilie [05:04] cuba: after the ENTER, go back to insert mode [05:05] are there any slackware 13.* iso's available ? [05:05] Ilie: slackware 13.* isn´t released yet [05:05] Ilie: ISOs don't traditionally become available before release. [05:06] PiterPunk: thank you, briliant [05:06] I'm interested in installing slackware + kde4 [05:06] thanks for the tips [05:06] llie There are unofficial iso builds, there is also iso build scripts [05:06] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: [05:06] can you point me to the right site ? ... [05:07] ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-current-iso/ [05:07] Guest31160: put back current mirror; slackpkg update; slackpkg install xz ; slackpkg upgrade tar pkgtools ; slackpkg install-new ; slackpkg upgrade-all [05:08] Guest31160: That probably will fix your machine [05:08] ok - time for me to get slackpkg installed :) [05:08] PiterPunk yes only that slackpkg is broken as well, I also can't boot the machine [05:08] although the machine I'm looking at right now has slamd64 on it [05:09] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [05:12] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/wicd.jpeg [05:13] Have "they" confirmed which kernel is going to be in 13? [05:13] 2.8.x [05:14] ;-) [05:14] wha [05:14] heh [05:14] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:15] I think I heard 2.6.29.5 but that may have changed [05:15] rachael (n=nnnnnnnn@3505ds1-svg.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:15] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Client Quit [05:15] no matter for me, i always get latest and compile on my own :p [05:16] Compiling kernel isn't very fast on a 900mhz celeron :p [05:16] thats why i bought core2duo ;> [05:16] spoiled kids :) [05:17] *ahem* Compiling the kernel isn't very fast on a 486DX2/66 [05:17] lol [05:17] although I think it was the 2.0 kernel that I was compiling in those days... [05:17] oi, its PiterPunk, Master of udev [05:18] is he aware that the most recent udev patch breaks 10.2 (and possibly 11.0, I haven't tested)? [05:18] slackytude: hahaha probably even kay isn´t a master [05:18] phroggy: recent? [05:18] PiterPunk: a few months ago [05:19] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:19] but I only became aware of the problem recently, after a reboot that didn't work. :-P [05:19] Hello [05:19] how do slackdevs create patches for such old releases? do they keep around 8.1 boxes or something? [05:19] PiterPunk, maybe but I remeber your nick from the awkward transition on 10.2 or something [05:20] almost weekly changes to udev [05:20] phroggy: Hmmm ppl tested it before the package is released. And after i didn´t got any report of failure [05:20] maikjohannsen (n=maikjoha@dslb-084-063-066-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:20] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:21] PiterPunk: it broke two unrelated servers, and rolling back the patch fixed it. [05:21] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [05:22] maikjohannsen (n=maikjoha@dslb-084-063-066-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:22] DrunkenPirate (n=DrunkenP@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:23] phroggy: well, ok. I can try to test it again. [05:23] Is using slapt-get frowned upon? [05:23] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [05:24] PiterPunk: please do. http://phroggy.com/weblog/124.html [05:24] PiterPunk: I reported the problem to security@ since the patch was a security update; does anyone read that? I never got a response. [05:25] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [05:26] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Client Quit [05:27] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) joined ##slackware. [05:29] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-86-242.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:30] DrunkenPirate, in a way. people in here wont care about people who kill their system with it and will suggest sbopkg and lackpkg as alternative "official" versions [05:30] slackpkg [05:30] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:32] Action: phroggy is glad slackpkg moved out of /extra [05:32] Action: slackytude nods [05:36] anyone running kde 4.2? [05:36] so I made a web page that can crash BIND, anybody want it? [05:38] slackytude ah thanks, I'm going to stick with good ok pkgtool then [05:41] dscpl0 (n=sulo@cpe.atm2-0-76461.bynxx16.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:42] Ilie (n=orion@78.97.48.135) left irc: "Leaving" [05:42] DrunkenPirate: not on slack, but it is pretty good [05:44] shik4nt4z4 (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [05:44] Hello! 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[06:10] i think ~/.bashrc would be the best.. [06:11] eviljames (n=james@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:11] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:11] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:12] OK. Thank you! [06:13] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [06:13] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:14] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [06:14] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82.38.88.58) joined ##slackware. [06:15] rez] [06:16] That DD-WRT exploit is shocking! [06:18] more like embarrasing [06:19] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Humm well is there really any viable way to install kde 4.2 on slack 12.2 or will I just break my system. [06:20] without converting to -current [06:20] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Orion7: I will advise not to try to do it until you know exactly what you are doing. [06:20] cuba (i=505f7119@gateway/web/freenode/session) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [06:21] I'm a slack newbie [06:21] Then don't do it. [06:21] why not convert to -current? [06:22] slackytude: I don't think -current is good for a newbie. [06:22] Well I'm guessing -current is not very stable [06:22] shik4nt4z4, probably true [06:22] Orion7, oh, it is, compared to, say, fedora [06:23] but shik4nt4z4 is probably right [06:23] ugh fedora [06:23] fedora 10 wasnt bad [06:23] However, I think that Slackware 13 will be out soon. [06:23] Oh yes [06:23] Action: slackytude nods [06:23] probably [06:23] hopefully :) [06:24] morning all [06:24] Fedora 10 wasnt bad, but Slackware is the best! :-) [06:24] morning dive [06:24] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:24] dive: Hello! How are you? [06:24] mornin [06:24] shik4nt4z4, fine thanks, yourself? [06:24] dive: I am good! Thank you! [06:25] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] I'm aware there is no public release date for 13, but anyone care to guess? [06:25] Action: slackytude rolls a D20 [06:25] 12 weeks from now [06:25] LoL [06:26] september 19th - arrrrr! thee be slackware! arrr! [06:26] Oh nvm (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/the-ultimate-when-will-the-next-slackware-release-arrive-megathread-448593/) [06:26] slackytude: 12 weeks from now is soon. [06:26] i'm tempted to download current and create an iso from that. [06:26] jonsmith1982: What for? [06:27] shouldn't be much more left to get done. [06:27] I think -current is updated each 2 weeks. [06:27] Or something like that. [06:27] Hm? -current is updated whenever there is something to be added. Could be twice a day even [06:27] alienBOB: Right! :-) [06:28] not really, there have updates whenever .... what alienBOB said ;-) [06:28] dive: I just wanted to say that there is no point in making an ISO from -current. [06:28] It is updated often. [06:29] not much left usually when a release candidate is set. [06:29] You can create and burn your own ISO once. For installation. And then use slackpkg to keep up-to-date [06:29] just do a preorder on the slackware shop ^-^ [06:29] I wish I had online monies so I could buy a slackware pre-order :) [06:29] Or just install 12.2 and use slackpkg to convert to -current, no? [06:30] Orion7, that works well, or so I hear [06:30] How can you do that? [06:30] Orion7, that will be non-straight forward I think for -curremt at the moment [06:30] with the new package format and all [06:30] Just change your slackpkg source to -current and install-new, upgrade-all [06:31] I prefer reinstalling on each reaease. [06:31] although I wouldn't recommend [06:31] I see [06:31] Orion7, it is usually a very good way of keeping up with -current [06:32] Yea I have a few pkgs with the new format on my 12.2 system, seems to be working fine [06:32] Nothing system critical though [06:32] I would think that you would need to install xz first, then pkgtools and slackpkg, then upgrade-all [06:33] So slackpkg is the recommended way to keep upto date now? Used be "Read ChangeLog.txt" [06:33] Right, my bad [06:33] jonsmith1982, you should read the changelog anyway. [06:34] even if using slackpkg. imo anyway. [06:34] jonsmith1982: "read the CnangeLog.txt" is still the number one thing to do if you are running -current [06:34] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:34] But slackpkg makes the actual keeping-up-to-date easier [06:35] does it do the same as UPGRADE.txt when upgrading releases? [06:35] What. lackpkg? [06:35] the difference is in compression algo not package format, right? [06:35] *slackpkg [06:36] mancha: correct [06:36] yeah [06:36] thanks. [06:36] jonsmith1982: the UPGRADE.TXT is a pretty crude document. The slackpkg tool is specifically tweaked to make the upgrade easier for you [06:38] a good read is also the CHANGES_AND_HINTS [06:38] or however its spelled [06:40] yes those 3 docs are well worth reading. 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[07:13] Action: Camarade_Tux hands slackytude a pen [07:13] morning :) [07:14] or graphviz(dot) [07:14] morning Camarade_Tux, your helpfull suggestions have been missed [07:14] he, too bad :P [07:15] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Hello, Camarade_Tux! [07:15] yo shik4nt4z4 [07:17] I hate the days I can't have my breakfast =/ [07:17] ? [07:17] You are not alone Camarade_Tux. [07:18] Camarade_Tux, someone ate your breakfast? :) [07:18] nah, I just woke up and it's already lunch time : D [07:18] haha [07:19] happy lunchtime Camarade_Tux [07:19] =) [07:19] well lol it's your own fault then :) [07:19] ds.org [07:19] wrong window [07:19] Pfft I don't remember the last time I woke up in time for breakfast. Its never stopped me from eating it! [07:20] Action: slava_dp always has his breakfast no matter what timeofday it is. [07:20] yeah but I have to leave pretty soon and I won't eat both my breakfast and lunch at the same time [07:21] slackytude: what is it? :P [07:21] what is what? [07:21] pack your breakfast and take it with you :) [07:21] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:21] slackytude: ds.org :D [07:22] Camarade_Tux, last letters of slackbuilds.or [07:22] Camarade_Tux, last letters of slackbuilds.org [07:22] Or its a religious technology site [07:22] "I don't need to pray, I need a reference manual!" [07:22] Help solving this kind of problem. When I run konsole from xfce menu in xfce 4.4 it runs fine. But if I give command konsole in a terminal I get one with different configuration. How do I locate konsole from the xfce menu? [07:23] slackytude: oh :) [07:24] shik4nt4z4: what do you mean by not "running fine"? colors in the output of ls? [07:24] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:24] shik4nt4z4, applications in xfce 4.x menu are now in /usr/share/applications/ konsole would be in /usr/share/applications/kde/ [07:25] Camarade_Tux: That one and PS1 variables set wrong. But this is not the case with the konsole from xfce menu. [07:25] it's probably because it's not giving you a login shell. You can set that in options. [07:25] shik4nt4z4: I bet that konsole is set to be/use a login shell in xfce [07:25] shik4nt4z4, the one that konsole.desktop runs is konsole --ls [07:26] you can alias it in your .bash_profile [07:26] OK. It works now fine. Thank you all! [07:26] btw, anyone know why we have to use two dashes in gnu apps? I mean everything has worked fine for decades with single dashes [07:26] though why you would run konsole instead of the xfce terminal is beyond me. [07:27] xterm -ls :) [07:27] Camarade_Tux, -- is usually for long options [07:27] slava_dp: konsole is better than terminal [07:27] I don't like xterm [07:27] you can have -h and --help for example [07:27] shik4nt4z4, nay, it isn't. terminal is awesome. [07:27] dive: but why? when I use "xterm -ls", "-ls" is a long option but doesn't take too dashes and *works* [07:28] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left ##slackware. [07:28] shik4nt4z4, not xterm, xfce Terminal. [07:28] Camarade_Tux, well some apps do things differntly [07:28] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-197-147.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] slava_dp: I have a problem with Terminal. When I run it in maximized mode it will not fully maximize. [07:29] blasphemy!! [07:29] shik4nt4z4, ymmv. use konsole if you like it. [07:29] still, I don't see why someone had to start using two dashes, what's the *use* ? [07:29] but it pulls half of kde with it, be aware of that :) [07:30] Camarade_Tux, isnt that a UNIX legacy thing? [07:30] shik4nt4z4, on my system both terminal and konsole maximise the same. [07:31] slackytude: yeah, that's unix/bsd but why has it been changed? it worked [07:31] and still work [07:31] shik4nt4z4: same with my system, maximizes fine [07:31] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [07:31] dive: On mine if i try to maximize it will just se the maximum rows*columns. [07:31] xterm and gvim too [07:32] eh? [07:32] not xterm actually [07:33] shik4nt4z4, try running terminal and pressing F11 ;-) [07:33] Camarade_Tux, is graphviz comandline? [07:33] > konsole fullscreen [07:33] dive: It will not actually maximize but will set as many rows and columns as it may display. It doesn't maximize in pixels but in rows and columns. One moment! [07:33] slackytude: dot is [07:33] dive, cool. i was not aware of f11. [07:33] but it's a bit slow [07:34] dive: F11 is for fullscreen not maximize. [07:34] 3~3~3~ [07:34] Decoy- (n=Decoy@rrcs-70-63-108-179.midsouth.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:34] bah, F11 does nothing :D [07:34] shik4nt4z4, I know, I was just pointing out something that terminal does better than konsole [07:35] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:35] and I don't really understand what you mean about the maximising rows and columns [07:36] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] screenshot maybe? [07:36] dive: Here: http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/2606/75072381.jpg [07:36] dive: Look at the margind. [07:36] dive: Look at the margins. [07:37] so there's a gap? [07:37] strange [07:37] and that's in xfce? [07:37] Yes! [07:37] very strange [07:38] I was saying the same. [07:38] the trouble with that is you can click on another window [07:39] if I were you I'd go in #xfce and show them that screenshot. Maybe they need to know, r perhaps they know and have a fix. [07:39] Action: Camarade_Tux only has 80x24 xterms and gvims except for the xterm holding irssi, and everything is tiled, not stacked [07:39] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-128-207.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:40] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-203.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:40] Camarade_Tux: Right! And I just don't like the fact that maximize does not work properly. [07:40] Action: shik4nt4z4 goes to #xfce [07:41] Action: dive has terminal + screen + irssi on fluxbox desktop one, firefox set to open on desktop two, and other things spread out like that [07:41] pidgin on desktop 4 [07:41] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:41] dive: I guess you don't beat that: http://omploader.org/vMXpqdg ;p [07:42] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl27-112.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl27-112.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [07:42] snearch (n=olaf@82.113.121.7) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [07:42] and alt+left/right set up to switch desktops, same as switching VT in linux consle [07:42] (all my desks are basicaly like that except number two which has firefox maximized and nothing else) [07:42] what resolution you have? [07:42] 1280x800 =/ [07:43] yeah, that's the font size I use [07:43] and btw my terminal is fullscreen on desktop 1 [07:43] I only have 1024x768 on this laptop [07:43] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl27-112.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:43] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi/electron.png [07:44] that's a screenshot of the irssi theme I'm working on, but you can see how desktop 1 looks.. [07:45] terminal + F11 + full transparency [07:45] I once used transparency but it was too annoying for the backgrounds [07:46] yeah it works ok with a dark background [07:46] well, now it wouldn't matter but I can simply make the backgrounds of my windows black and get the same effect >< [07:47] or use a dark background like this: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/fluxbox/5lackWet5.jpg [07:48] yes but with full treansparency i can see my conky [07:49] I stopped using transparency when I started to use the nouveau driver instead of the nvidia one (although I'm using the nvidia one right now) [07:49] but it's true I don't like hiding conky [07:49] i'm not using it at all [07:49] and no compiz [07:49] hmm, with 3x" terms I have space left on the right side of my screen, I could play with that [07:49] because of my x1200 [07:49] winterx, hmm I'm using fluxbox so not 'real' transparency and conky doesn't show [07:50] there is an option to iplement the real transparency in fluxbox [07:50] don't you need xcompmgr for that though? [07:50] but forgot it ;p [07:51] hmm, I wouldn't have enough space to put any graph for conky =/ [07:51] I use xcompmgr sometimes but it's a little slow [07:51] but the bottom of the screen should be good for that [07:51] thanks, I've found what to do tonight :) [07:52] winterx, real trans needs xcompmgr or how? [07:52] i said, i don't remember [07:52] well try harder! [07:52] but i saw that in action and read some article about it [07:52] Action: dive is gonna boot up xcompmgr [07:53] strange cos terminal goes black with xcompmgr running... [07:53] have to set a background [07:54] Does anybody know a good alternative to okular or kpdf? [07:54] yeah, there are a few annoying things with xcompmgr [07:54] shik4nt4z4, epdfview [07:54] I like that kodf preloads the pages. [07:54] iirc, with nouveau alsamixer took a long time to paint (black background) [07:55] slava_dp: Does epdfview preload the pages? [07:55] apvlv! :D [07:55] shik4nt4z4, try it, it's free. it's also on sbo. [07:55] shik4nt4z4, I've been looing for the same [07:55] slava_dp, does epdfview do forms in pdf? [07:56] Action: slava_dp does not know O_o [07:56] hmm ok [07:56] gonna check it out anyway, thanks [07:56] come on, try apvlv, it uses controls that don't suck: hjkl and friends :D [07:56] i just use it for displaying pdfs, that's all. [07:57] epdfview uses hjkl too, btw. and also the arrow keys and mouse scroll. [07:58] and zi, zo for the zooms? and 30j? :D [07:58] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Connection reset by peer [07:58] it seems kpdf uses poppler too so there is no reason epdfview can't do what kpdf does [08:00] bad: I need to use ctrl+shift++ to zoom in with epdfview (azerty keyboard so + is on the upper part of the key) [08:00] dive: not my fault :) missyjane wasn't running with "su -" [08:01] thrice`, doh [08:03] i wish it were the 11th [08:05] my 5101 would be shipped [08:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:06] Camarade_Tux, what's the point of using azerty? [08:06] slava_dp: being french [08:06] oops, that was the other way round [08:06] Camarade_Tux, that's ok :) [08:07] and annoying the whole channel with special characters :) [08:07] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl27-112.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:07] Havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl16-41.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:07] bah, late for work [08:11] we should kill all programmers who don't write documentation [08:12] documentation is frequently in running it with -h :) [08:13] coding=fun, documentation=boring :P [08:13] rworkman, debian just found a bug in irssi 0.8.14 synopsis. Patch here: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi/irssi-0.8.14-synopsis.diff [08:13] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:13] at least it seems that way to many programmers [08:13] slava_dp: not *code* documentation ;) [08:13] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] and we should kill programmers who: "#define YPLANE(x) ((x)->data)", it isn't even shorter to use! [08:14] XGizzmo_ (n=gizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) joined ##slackware. [08:15] and also c++ programmers who inline functions by hand in the *declaration* of a class (yes, in the .h), es [08:15] gbowden (n=gbowden@169.Red-81-33-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [08:15] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:15] and especially those who do that for functions which use three nested switch statements and 8-spaces indent [08:16] or just bad indent [08:16] rworkman, reference: http://git.debian.org/?p=users/alfie/irssi.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/12manpage-fix;h=2219652dfb8e0e33258894b15e8ee09511edbc23;hb=3450db957b1d14ab886917009b8176625555c82a [08:16] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Camarade_Tux, uh, inline functions are supposed to be in .h [08:17] 4 spaces should be enough for anyone [08:17] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:cf) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:17] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:cf) joined ##slackware. [08:18] slackytude: inline keyword? [08:18] still [08:18] and it wasn't 8-spaces the problem, it was bad indent (changing one) [08:19] ^-^ [08:19] slackytude: if you say so [08:19] anyway, ggVG= solves everything :) [08:19] Im pretty sure I got taught that in programmin 101 [08:19] dive read /usr/src/linux/Documentation/CodingStyle and you will know that Linus prefers 8-spaces :-) [08:20] slackytude: but what is the use for inline then? [08:20] gbowden (n=gbowden@169.Red-81-33-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:20] I use two spaces for most things but C/friends look better with 4 spaces [08:20] huh? you know what it does, I guess. besides, variables can be inline as well [08:21] slava_dp: I should read the gnu coding standards :P [08:21] Camarade_Tux, you still have them? Linus told you to burn them ages ago :-) [08:22] slava_dp: I have to know why ;) [08:22] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) joined ##slackware. [08:22] morning [08:22] slava_dp: and I don't like 8 spaces because it's too wide, it's tiring to go seek the indent [08:22] afternoon Quiznos [08:22] hi [08:22] so what's the latest on slack? [08:23] and how is PatV? [08:23] fine, he'll be receiving a grammy award soon :) [08:23] seemingly well, and the latest is 13.0RC + [08:24] Well, in the beginning there was a big cloud of gas... which began to implode... [08:24] kool; grammy for what tune? [08:24] well, he might be trying to kill the X devs though :) [08:24] why? [08:24] anything speeshul in 13.0rc? [08:24] because X sucks! [08:24] kool, i just picked up MGR [08:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:25] or is he looking at Y? [08:25] lol [08:25] peace guys [08:25] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:25] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/wicd.jpeg [08:25] wicd bug [08:26] it's always saying "connecting to ___" where it's the previous WAP i was connected to, not the one I just clicked [08:27] TwinReverb, get the latest one from robby [08:27] 1.6.2 i believe. [08:27] so there's nothing special about 13rc? [08:28] well, new X [08:28] and slackware64 [08:28] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:28] k; anything else? [08:29] it can brew your coffee [08:29] bout time [08:30] Quiznos: nothing better than downloading and installing it to see whats new [08:30] slava_dp: I read the intro of the gnu coding standard and it's already too much ;) [08:30] Lord_Khelben sure, of course. [08:30] but i'm looking for a conversation. not dribbles. [08:31] i dont have _64 hw yet [08:31] Camarade_Tux, the Linus' doc is a little shorter; i have read it all a while ago. [08:31] slava_dp: oh, the gnu standards are horrible :o [08:31] Quiznos, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/ChangeLog.txt [08:32] especially something like: [08:32] if (cond) [08:32] { [08:32] indent the indent! [08:32] slava_dp ty, i know that; i'm a Slacker since 1995. [08:32] Quiznos: tons of stuff; new x.org, kde4, new package format, new toolchain, updated user apps [08:32] kool [08:33] btw, i've learned that KDE will start up after Blackbox in a window here. [08:33] YMMV [08:33] Camarade_Tux, whats wrong with that? Are you one of those java guys who do: if (cond){ [08:33] shik4nt4z4 (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [08:33] and putting the return type of the function on the line before the name of the dunction >< [08:33] slackytude: if (cond) { [08:33] hahah [08:33] Camarade_Tux, fu! [08:34] and btw that's how the linux doc say you should do ;) [08:34] *says [08:34] omg ){ is really annoying; messes up loc counting IMO and token parsing [08:34] i usually do if (cond) { or if (cond) and the { goes at the same position the if is [08:34] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:34] really, I've always wondered where such bad rules came from, now I know and I'm not even surprised! [08:35] not that my opinion hold much weight though :) [08:35] when I've messed with Small-c, I reformat the code so that one function is on one line ech. [08:35] same as Lord_Khelben, but I can't stand 'if (cond)\n {\n', don't put indent the '{'! [08:36] helps me to focus on code-lifting; lots of redundncy in that lil compiler. [08:36] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] it seems like ntpd isnt maintaining proper time. my clock is +2m off [08:38] I have to say it's not working for me either [08:38] do yo know why? [08:38] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:39] jillsmitt (n=jillsmit@92.47.121.237) joined ##slackware. [08:39] hi [08:39] i'm fairly certain is my cmos; next boot i'll change time there [08:39] useless comment: "uint8_t*data;/// Pointer to actual image data", I hadn't guessed *data was poiting to the data... [08:39] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Quiznos: no, dunno, had no time to see [08:39] hi jillsmitt [08:39] k [08:40] it shouldnt be cmos-rtc tho; this is a new box [08:40] i have 12.2 everytime when kde starts my arts shows error... [08:40] i have made a script running ntpdate on /etc/cron.hourly/ [08:40] is there a russian support channel? [08:40] stig (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust780.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [08:40] Lord_Khelben why'd you do that? [08:40] linux.ru? [08:40] ru.linux? [08:40] I do a ntpdate in rc.local and start ntpd afterwards [08:40] i forget; xchat can get the list dynamically [08:41] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-28-204.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:41] Quiznos: i didn't like ntpd [08:41] so the clock is set correctly on new boot and can be kept that way be ntpd [08:41] Lord_Khelben why? [08:41] ntpd alone takes time to adjust clock [08:41] emm irc channel something like "#slackware-ru" i just cant find any [08:41] my univ runs a stratum 2 (or is it 3 ) ntpd and i just ntpdate to it [08:41] it's been 6d that my time has been off [08:41] slackytude: don't think so, my clock has been off for weeks now [08:41] that's convenient Lord_Khelben [08:41] Quiznos: can irssi get a list af chans? [08:42] also, by default slack will set time to hardware clock on shutdown [08:42] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:42] jillsmitt /list is common irc cmd [08:42] or: 14:38 ~ % ntpdate [08:42] 29 Jul 14:42:02 ntpdate[4755]: no servers can be used, exiting [08:42] Quiznos: omg i so stuppid in console [08:42] slackytude maybe that's the prob? [08:42] jillsmitt lol [08:43] jill i blame M# for not ejumacating users [08:43] Camarade_Tux, well, that didnt adjust your clock [08:43] where is the default server for ntp set? [08:43] /etc/ntpd.conf [08:43] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [08:43] sorry ntp.conf [08:43] jillsmitt, it's #slackware-ru, but not on freenode, it's on RusNet. and it's usually unpopulated. [08:43] Camarade_Tux: try ntpdate pool.ntp.org [08:44] quoting the file: "#server pool.ntp.org" <- answer? [08:44] Lord_Khelben: yeah, I wanted to check the default conf [08:44] thats commented [08:44] Quiznos: my ubuntu is now in my trashcan... i need this channel) hmm can i use this net and rusnet in irssi together in onetime? [08:44] oh [08:44] sorry [08:44] i sad it to slava_dp [08:45] jillsmitt NOOOOOOO; save it for emergencies [08:45] actually I'm wondering if my clock was really off... >< [08:45] yours or others [08:45] Camarade_Tux, it is [08:45] yeah, it was a bit off, not as much as I thought [08:45] Quiznos: others=aliens) [08:45] yea sure, heh [08:45] anyway, seems the culprit was the conf [08:46] well, i gotta go meet granma; ttyl [08:46] gone [08:46] slava_dp: what is the servername of rusnet channel? [08:46] Camarade_Tux, what does ntpq -p show you? [08:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] I just edited the conf and restarted the daemon [08:47] slava_dp: i need some information how to get there [08:47] jillsmitt, try irc.tomsk.net [08:47] slava_dp: okay [08:47] (from xchat server list) [08:48] but if I revert the conf back, there is basically nothing (except "LOCAL(0)") [08:48] Action: jillsmitt isrri [08:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:48] baaaah, I should be at work! [08:48] Camarade_Tux, then go, go, go! :) [08:49] Camarade_Tux, drop ntpd, go to work! :) [08:49] slava_dp: I have to shower first! :D [08:49] slava_dp: and ntpd problem solved ;) [08:50] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] is it possible to point lilo at the mbr of another disk and let that bootloader take over? [08:53] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [08:53] jillsmitt (n=jillsmit@92.47.121.237) left irc: "leaving" [08:54] kejen: you can try with the other= keyword [08:54] it may work [08:56] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: Client Quit [08:57] ok, here goes nothing [08:57] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [08:58] woot, clean socks! [08:59] chess (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [09:02] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:02] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [09:03] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-124-150.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:04] laterz :) [09:05] Camarade_Tux, have a good day! ;) [09:05] bb [09:06] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [09:06] good afternoon [09:06] i kill you [09:06] gee thanks [09:06] sup? [09:07] not much [09:07] playing with terminals [09:07] cool [09:07] im working slowly [09:09] pvn (n=vep2@n552-vep2.bfh.ch) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] Wiren (i=Wiren@crb44-1-82-67-126-56.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: [09:15] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [09:20] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:25] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-124-150.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] omi (n=omi@77.108.66.35) joined ##slackware. [09:27] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:31] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:32] m0o [09:32] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.117) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:33] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.117) joined ##slackware. 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[09:47] i used to get to work at around 11:00 till recently. looking back - omg. [09:47] now i'm like the most disciplined employee. 9 am - i'm there. [09:51] digifor (n=pjharper@122.252.178.224) joined ##slackware. [09:51] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] I am currently attempting to set up a multibooting laptop with XP, OpenSolaris and Slackware [09:53] I want to use dm-crypt for / partition. [09:54] partitions will be sda1 XP, sda2 OSOL2009.06, sda3 /boot and sda4 as root. [09:55] digifor: no swap? [09:55] I would make a swap file on sda4. does this look like a scheme that can work? [09:55] swapfile instead of swap partition [09:55] why not [09:56] I guess I'll find out [09:56] tho, if you're going to use swap partition u must install stuff in correct order [09:56] reading this as I go [09:56] opensolaris uses a patched grub with zfs support, so i think you should install opensolaris last [09:56] and use opensolari's grub for booting slack/xp [09:57] Lord_Khelben, could I chainload OSOL from lilo? [09:57] yeah, i forgot about the grub. so installing osol last will be reasonable [09:57] digifor: it will install grub to mmbr [09:57] digifor: if opensolaris lets you choose where you install grub [09:57] and it can install it in the opensolaris partition [09:57] then you can [09:58] but i can't remember if this is possible [09:58] it's not [09:58] i remember opensolaris (indiana) didn't give many choices. it was next next finish install [09:59] thats why i used sxce [09:59] Or I can install Slackware with grub [09:59] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [09:59] you can use grub with slack [09:59] osol can be loaded only by it's modified grub [10:00] but if osol can't/won't install its grub on its partition as john_dee said [10:00] then you must use osol's grub [10:01] There are plenty of how to's on multibooting with Ubuntu. Not so much on dealing with lilo and Slackware [10:02] Nice to meet some guys with experience in OSOL also [10:02] digifor: do these howtos mention using ubuntu's grub for booting ? [10:02] if yes then it should also be possible with slack [10:04] I'll just try and chainload it. Although "Slowaris" is pretty slow at boot time anyway. [10:04] digifor: you can chainload it from slack's lilo/grub, BUT [10:04] I am going to follow the order you suggest, XP, Slack and OSOL . [10:04] in order to do that [10:04] osol's grub must be installed in the sda2 [10:05] and john_dee said this isn't possible [10:05] you can try to mount solaris partition after installation is finished and make grub-install to that partition [10:05] but i'm not sure if it'll work that way [10:06] anyway osol installer will overwrite mbr [10:06] john_dee: if the solaris partition doesn't leave some slack in the beginning [10:06] then grub will overwrite vital parts of the partition [10:06] if he manually runs grub-install [10:06] gbowden (n=gbowden@169.Red-81-33-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] i would do xp->slack->osol then use osol's grub for starters so that everything works. then at my leisure i could patch/recompile slack's grub with zfs support and use that [10:07] Slack will overwrite the OSOL mbr if installed afterwards? [10:08] digifor: you can choose in slack if you want a bootloader and where to put it [10:08] so in general no [10:08] unless you tell slack installer to put lilo in the mbr [10:08] digifor: you can tell slack to install lilo to the root partition and then chainload it from osol's grub [10:08] Lord_Khelben: that's the best choice [10:09] using that order [10:09] gah [10:10] digifor: if/when you upgrade b118 has some bootings problems and b119 has some serious zfs bug so avoid them (hm i think i remember the numbers correctly) [10:10] bootings i invent new words [10:10] :D [10:11] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:11] hello Dominian [10:11] Thanks. I need to study this a bit. Used to debian and ubuntu doing the crypto for me during the install. [10:11] digifor: but if there's swap partition for slack present, osol's grub-install might fail because zfs and linux swap have same id's [10:11] ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/README_CRYPT.TXT [10:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tdmnbmwvtitcgcmm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:12] digifor: the file you pasted mentions everything you need. it is not difficult to do it [10:12] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [10:13] if you have a relatively fast cpu choose aes-xts-plain as cipher. it is supposedly better than aes-cbc-essiv [10:14] hm let me check if it is supported by 12.2 kernel first [10:14] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:17] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. 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Could anyone, please, assist me with a LILO option? It's called lba32. I 'd to know if LBA32 warning when you run /sbin/lilo is a security measure to disable those 1024 cylinder limit? [10:41] Nick change: thumbs_ -> thumbs [10:41] I'm trying to understand it since I've read that this problem is common on the x86 platform [10:41] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Punker: lba32 is used by default now. if you don't have it in lilo.conf you get this warning [10:42] lba32 disables the old c/h/s method and uses linear sector numbers [10:42] nsoong (n=nsoong@unaffiliated/nsoong) joined ##slackware. [10:43] if your bios supports enhanced int13 (all of them do for some time) then yes it disables the 1024 limit [10:43] so therefore it should be used by default [10:43] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [10:43] it IS used by default [10:43] hi all. [10:43] any pointers on how to use a usb modem. from whatever kernel modules i might need to userspace software to actually dial it? i've never done this before and i'm not even sure where to look [10:44] if you want not to see the warning then put lba32 on top of the lilo.conf [10:44] Yup, I did [10:45] nsoong: the drivers for some widely used usb modems are included in the kernel sources [10:45] udev should load the modules automatically [10:45] Winmodems ftl [10:45] some of them need firmware i think [10:45] But then if I understand it right even if I don't put that, LBA32 is enabled anyway? [10:45] Punker: yes [10:45] that is what the warning tells you [10:46] nsoong: check dmesg to see if your modem is recognised and if /dev/ttyUSB0 exists [10:46] Oh, alright. So putting that option changes nothing, just drop that warning [10:46] Thank you Lord_Khelben [10:46] Punker: yes [10:46] Lord_Khelben: ok thanks. i'll track down the module name for this modem and check if it loads, but what's next after that as far as the software to dial it? [10:46] nsoong: what modem is it ? [10:46] Lord_Khelben: t-mobile umg181 [10:46] my usb adsl modem supported pppoa so i just ran pppd [10:47] some modems used pppoe so rp-pppoe was the one to use [10:47] and my kernel is custom built, so i realize it's kind of my problem if the module isn't already loading. it isn't. (no /dev/ttyUSB* yet) [10:47] nsoong: did you enable support for it when you compiled the kernel ? [10:47] you can run lsusb [10:47] problably not. not recently built. checking though. [10:48] to see what chipset the kernel sees [10:48] huawei technologies co, ltd [10:49] ah this is a 3g modem according to google [10:49] i don't have any experience with those but i have noticed in recent kernels they added drivers for some of those [10:49] hey all [10:49] ah ok. anything different i'll need to do in userland? [10:49] as far ask you know? [10:50] how can I recover data from formatted ext3 partition? [10:51] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [10:51] i'll get to googling about the driver. thanks Lord_Khelben [10:52] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [10:52] nsoong: the driver should be in device drivers -> usb -> usb serial converter support [10:53] haha got it - Encrypted Slackware 12.2 with UUID support on USB Stick: http://www.bluelife.at/articles/173/ [10:53] \o/ [10:53] Havacci (n=havacci@unaffiliated/havacci) left irc: [10:53] Action: nsoong should have grabbed new kernel source before launching on this endeavour [10:55] This part here. mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.27.7-smp -m ext3 -f ext3 -r cryptroot -C /dev/sdx1 [10:55] nsoong: a person asked about a 3g modem i think the day before yesterday or something like that [10:55] Should that be pointing at /boot or /? [10:55] you can also check the channel logs for more info [10:55] digifor: / [10:56] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[11:29] missyjane: in order to build qemu, please use "su -" instead of just "su" or sudo [11:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:29] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [11:33] chii (i=chii@freenode/bot/chii) joined ##slackware. [11:34] thrice`, how come? [11:34] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] oh i see, the - acts as if the user had logged in directly [11:35] you need texinfo in your path to generate manpages [11:35] let me try again doing "su -" then [11:35] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:36] man bash [11:36] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) left ##slackware. [11:40] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:40] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] mancha: did you see that webapp phroggy created from that code? [11:40] oh man. [11:40] yes i did, he cgi'd the perl script [11:40] hehe [11:41] i expect now that alien saw it 1st hand he'll push along the update deployment [11:42] yeah he saw it [11:42] I built P3 for myself already too, in the mean time [11:42] link? :) [11:42] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] yeah, i built P3 when the notice came out but 99% will not, so it'll be good to see an update [11:43] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [11:43] afternoonish all [11:44] morning dive [11:44] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [11:44] missyjane, get it working yet? [11:45] qemu? no i just woke up [11:45] ah ok [11:45] but i am indeed compiling it atm [11:45] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] br00tal (n=jesse@eu130.ips.paulbunyan.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:47] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:47] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:52] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] Is there a guidance for a minimal slackware setup with a fluxbox desktop at least? or a stripped down version of Slackware? I just want to install slackware on a kind of limited hardware with little harddisk space, but I'm not sure which packages are definitely required. [11:55] logictech quickcams are the devil. [11:55] neuro_sys: dont even bother. been there done that. not worth it. [11:55] what do you mean exactly. [11:55] neuro_sys, why would you want a stripped slackware? [11:55] slackware is fine as is with ful install [11:55] if you dont have much diskspace, you have two options. a) use another distro, that is designed to take up little space b) get more storage space [11:56] neuro_sys: as a whole, I would omit e/, f/, k/, kde/, kdei/, t/, and tcl/ . that will trim quite a bit [11:56] Well, there's a zillion of packages that I will never use. and my old laptop doesn't have enough space to hold them all. [11:56] thrice`: but not enough usually [11:56] digifor (n=pjharper@122.252.178.224) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:56] neuro_sys, bah dont fall into the trap i did, the whole "package i never touch", there are dependency issues too [11:56] arno__ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] that will stick it well below 3GB [11:56] TeraByteS (n=TeraByte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [11:56] if you dont have much diskspace, you have two options. a) use another distro, that is designed to take up little space b) get more storage space [11:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [11:57] yeah, I see. [11:57] it'll work OK [11:57] neuro_sys: been there done that. don't bother. [11:58] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:58] heh [11:58] I can now type /49 for a window [11:58] in irssi [11:58] woot [11:58] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0412.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Action: thrice` can't [11:59] thrice`: /script exec foreach (1..500) { Irssi::command("alias $_ window $_"); } [11:59] that's how you do it [11:59] sets aliases all the way out to 500 windows [11:59] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:00] bah when he installs some package in the future he might run into dependency problems [12:00] missyjane: maybe you'll listen. been there done that. [12:01] noone cares if you have been there / done that. it works fine [12:01] Alright, I'll forget it. But I just mean to use this laptop for compiling personal C codes and irssi, as well as a little bit of web browsing. [12:02] spook lol [12:02] neuro_sys: how much space is there? [12:02] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:02] i dont understand, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? [12:02] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] neuro_sys: use that distro, called like, really small linux or something [12:02] thrice`: a little bit more than 2 GBs. [12:02] missyjane: i agree with you :) [12:02] ooh [12:02] that should be enough [12:03] after the sets recommended above, take out some xap/ apps (like xfce, *boxes), some from ap/, and maybe some stuff in d/ you won't use [12:03] damn small linux, and it's not bad.. [12:03] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:03] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] neuro_sys: there you go. use damn small linux [12:04] spook: yeah been using that for a while. just wondered if it's possible to strip down a full Slackware setup. and thanks I got my answers. [12:04] my slackware install comes in around 2.2 gig [12:05] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] leafing through the full setup packages, there seems to be lots of stuff which are, in my case, pretty much redundant though. [12:05] anyways, I'm off to try it out. [12:05] yes, it ships alot of desktop and server; you can weed out the latter if you just run a desktop, but, be careful :) [12:05] it worked btw thrice`, how did you know about -? [12:06] I saw that /. post about Debian time based freezes and before I even looked at the tags I thought "hell froze over?" and sure enough... [12:06] missyjane: because I maintain qemu ;) [12:06] :O.... [12:06] really??? [12:06] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl16-41.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [12:06] qemu itself? [12:06] lol [12:06] missyjane: well, I could change it so it doesn't matter if you are "su -" or "su", but I think it's more important that it dies, otherwise the users don't get man pages [12:06] missyjane: no, just on slackbuilds [12:06] :O [12:07] qemu is awesome [12:07] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d75-158-165-33.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:07] alright so i finished installing it, now im not sure how to open it [12:07] oh YIKES, it has a full qemu thingie now when i hit tab [12:08] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [12:08] fuck how am i having arp issues [12:08] i'm restarting xen and it's not seeing the second ip [12:09] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [12:09] web_knows (n=riba@last.fm/user/web-knows) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:10] poor jeev [12:10] someone got his base [12:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.175.249) joined ##slackware. [12:11] lol [12:11] JEEz :) [12:11] poor jeev [12:11] damn right [12:11] i dunno if my modem thing is working [12:12] i edited my config and i gave myself highest priority and qos [12:12] so now i get 25mbit from gay charter [12:12] i think qos wont work unless if the cmts registers YOu to it [12:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-50e9d114be0abcb1) left irc: [12:12] shadowx (n=7350@gh0st.darknet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [12:12] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:13] jeev: maybe you should ask jeev(es) [12:14] maybe i should download everything and make charter go out of business [12:14] asshats [12:14] Charter go out of business? [12:14] lol i think charter is smart enough to cap your bandwidth [12:14] You do realize how big they are right? [12:14] has anyone had the experience where ssh works but scp doesn't? [12:14] big and long [12:15] Can't see why it stopped working... Anyone got any ideas on what to check? [12:15] dive: typo? [12:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [12:15] wow guys, qemu works, what can i do to make what i wanted to do work yesterday? :D [12:15] they've already filed bankruptcy [12:15] psh [12:15] its a conspiracy jeev [12:15] but it's protection i guess [12:16] no, and I checked aliases and which to make sure something else wasn't running [12:16] dive: I got that sorted last night [12:16] charter isn't going anywhere [12:16] yea they dont want to pay [12:16] i know ;/ [12:16] Dominian, ? [12:16] dive: you can use /quote or even ^msg in your alias and it'll keep info in your status window [12:16] bankruptcy has REALLY changed these days, as to what it used to mean [12:16] that's why i need to file [12:16] and then file every 2 years [12:16] and come up 1 mil every time. [12:16] ah yeah I saw that and tried it but I couldn't get it to work [12:16] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames [12:16] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] dive: weird [12:17] Dominian, but I prefer a separate window anyway, so not a problem [12:17] jeev: you need to get better admin skillz and not worry about it [12:17] just can't figure out why scp stopped working :/ [12:17] dive: yeah.. my situation was a bit different why I needed that [12:17] :) [12:17] damnation, intertubes ate my reportz ! [12:18] thrice`, my admin skills are great, like your bullshitting skills ;) [12:19] :O [12:19] intranick (n=nick@71-10-90-163.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:19] bbl [12:20] doh, I forgot I changed the port in sshd ^^ [12:23] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:23] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [12:24] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:25] whats a good cms? joomla, drupal or any other? [12:25] duh [12:25] bijit: joomla is nice [12:27] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-175-54.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.18.175) joined ##slackware. [12:28] paissad (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75A06.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.6.158) joined ##slackware. [12:30] spook: thanks for your feedback [12:31] I will go read on it [12:31] why is it so quiet/ [12:31] havent used drupal, give that a try too [12:31] Quiznos: everyone is sleeping or their slackware is being reliable as usually [12:31] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] ah [12:32] what's a good "noisy" linux channel? [12:32] good, non-rood? [12:32] i wana ask, wich version of gtk2 will be used in slackware 13 [12:32] somebody know it? [12:32] e01: look at slackware-current [12:32] Quiznos: #ubuntu [12:32] ok [12:32] lol spook [12:32] Quiznos, ##linux [12:32] nah, there are ewstafers there [12:32] spook, i found a pack of 14 [12:33] im sick of em itnerfering [12:33] but it is old [12:33] e01: current 2.14.7 [12:34] gtk 2.14.7 is not very old [12:34] there are hope to get 13 with 2.16? [12:34] e01: highly unlikely. [12:34] e01: at this stage probally not. [12:34] pity :( [12:34] i'm on fire. [12:35] no, lp0 is on fire; you're just hot! [12:35] baha [12:35] ... [12:36] [ in bed ] [12:37] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [12:37] heh [12:37] anyone look for a light clipboard manager for say *box that doesn't depend on kde/gnome/xfce: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds/12.2/parcellite/ [12:38] I've been using a while with no problems [12:39] e01: agreed; gtk+ is somewhere I wish Pat wasn't so conservative with [12:40] rworkman: k, post has been made (again..) [12:40] (yes I know he's probably not here) [12:40] eviljames: i have his facebook :) [12:41] spook: I have faces of death. [12:41] you can keep it [12:41] thrice`, i just wandering, if try to upgade gtk+ [12:41] how many depencies too, have to recompile [12:41] What's gtk+ stuff? [12:42] e01: a few; pango / atk / glib at least [12:42] gimp, xfce? [12:42] but, gtk+2 spams / too [12:42] glib ;) [12:43] lantins (n=lantins@scarlett.lon.lividpenguin.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] may be and, glibc-* glib2 [12:43] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.18.175) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:43] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:44] python... it`s really a big job [12:44] no, not glibc [12:44] what about pygtk and other *gtk stuff? [12:44] those will need recompiling after the fact [12:45] I wouldn't mind an updated gtk, but I don't want to have to upgrade the whole system for it [12:46] i wouldn't bother, unless you find stuff that specifically wants 2.16 [12:46] I'd just like to see if the interface dialogs have changed/got better [12:46] not that thy aren't bad atm [12:49] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [12:49] thats what she said [12:50] [in bed] [12:50] gtk, thine interface ist a truly blessing on thee [12:51] some apps may be not working pretty good with 2.14 [12:51] and in 2.16 have some new improvements [12:51] e01, is there anything in particular that you need 2.16 for? [12:51] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [12:52] no [12:53] it's very rare that anything will yet need 2.16.x (outside of gnome) [12:53] parole [12:54] an media app for xfce needs 2.16 ;) [12:54] alot of projects try to support a couple versions, so, for example, it will run on older ubuntu LTS releases [12:55] http://www.reallylinux.com/docs/linuxlovingmen.shtml [12:56] linux loves men? [12:56] I always thought it was the other way around... shows what i know. [12:56] Any of you have dhcp6s up and running? [12:57] aaa.. . finally installed claws-mail .. well it required --disable-jpilot [12:57] which the old slackbuild script didn't do [12:57] tooly (n=theo@e178154140.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:58] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d75-158-165-33.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:58] buffer: uhm ..no. I build claws just fine with without it. [12:59] BP{k}: i mean it required the jpilot thigie .. [12:59] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [12:59] BP{k}: i think the new version might be failing [12:59] buffer: no it doesn't. [12:59] whatever you think .. you're thinking it wrong. [13:00] well i have the logs .. [13:00] pastebni. [13:00] which shows up ,when i don't do a --disable-jpilot [13:00] 1 sec .. doing it [13:00] buffer: did you do a full install of slackware? [13:00] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.189) joined ##slackware. [13:01] ooh that would be another factor [13:01] BP{k}: no [13:01] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:01] yo fire|bird :) [13:01] jpilot not installed. A requirement has not been met. :P [13:01] fire|bird, hi [13:01] buffer: I rest my case. [13:01] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.189) left irc: Client Quit [13:01] y0 buffer [13:01] hey dive [13:01] howdy BP{k} [13:01] greetings fire|bird [13:01] How's it going guys? [13:01] greetings slackytude [13:01] fire|bird: howdy :) going good. How are things over there? [13:02] BP{k}: :) , well i was kinda stripping out slackware for my BW [13:02] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.189) joined ##slackware. [13:02] bw? [13:02] Band width [13:02] :) [13:02] BP{k}: going great, thank you. Sounds like there's a chance of some bad weather later today. [13:02] buffer: please do know that at SBo, we work from a full version of slackware. Any dependencies missing .. you're on your own :) [13:02] 28 degrees here ^-^ [13:02] fire|bird, I took on board what you said about the awl and act colours and now no activity=cyan, text (join/parts)= bold cyan, messages=bold blue [13:02] fire|bird: we already have that ;) [13:03] BP{k}: Well, we don't here yet, but it sounds like it's on the way. :P [13:03] BP{k} ,yea now i have learned that :) [13:03] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi/electron.theme [13:03] dive: cool, I'll check it out. [13:04] phoenix^ (n=firebird@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:04] repsol_ (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:05] whoops, I didn't mean for opera to log on to irc too. :P [13:05] Action: Dominian slaps fire|bird [13:05] fire|bird, show off [13:05] hey Dominian, how's it going? [13:05] show|off [13:05] y0 eviljames [13:05] sup? [13:06] not much, gonna try the laptop here soon and see if I have any better luck today. :P [13:06] you? [13:06] ah, the dreaded laptop again [13:06] lol [13:06] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:06] its obviously gremlin infected [13:07] send some marines in with flamethrowers [13:07] s/dreaded/non-working now, but fixed soon/ :) [13:07] they'd have to be some small marines. [13:07] fire|bird: going well.. you? [13:07] Dominian: going great, thank you. [13:08] dakarn (n=skas@93.68.173.229) joined ##slackware. [13:09] fire|bird: i think godzilla was good nick for you [13:09] but i took it :D [13:09] buffer: haha [13:09] o/ heya [13:09] i was wondering why no one still now too that nick [13:09] dive: ok, theme re-downlaoded and set, looks great. [13:10] fire|bird, thanks, still got terminal colour problem? [13:10] s/re-downlaoded/re-downloaded/ [13:10] dive: yup, nicks that say my nick are still just peachy. :P [13:10] hmmm [13:10] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:11] dive: It has to be something outside of the theme, but what could it be, I've checked/adjusted just about everything color related. :P [13:11] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:11] TeraByteS (n=TeraByte@189.77.186.219) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] hmm thinking about it right now. It does in all terminals (xfce,konsole,xtem,rxvt etc)? [13:12] what abut plain linux console? [13:12] brb [13:12] dive: yeah, all terminals. [13:12] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] dive: Hmm, you mean as in, a VT, outside of X? [13:13] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) joined ##slackware. [13:14] fire|bird, yes [13:15] dive: I'll give that a shot. [13:17] dive: ok, in a VT now. after every nick and before the double > there's an A with a ^ over it. [13:17] someone say my nick please? [13:17] fire|bird, [13:17] red now [13:18] I would guess that your VT hasn't got a proper unicode font or something, but the colours are what I want to check [13:18] where isi eviljames [13:18] The VT must not be unicode enabled, the symbols for joins and parts is messed up too, an a with a ~ over it, etc. [13:18] i need someone to make fun of [13:18] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:18] jeev: ---> that way. :) [13:18] dive: ok, so now when you said my nick, your nick was red. [13:18] fire|bird, yeah I know about that. I did put a comment in the top of the theme that it wouldn't work properly in a VT [13:18] yup, I know. :D [13:18] and the other nicks? [13:18] jeev: im in ur datacenterr heatin ur dr1v3z!! [13:19] Action: fire|bird hands eviljames a flamethrower [13:19] now im meltin um! [13:19] fire|bird, what colour are other nicks? [13:19] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:19] hip flasks are awesome [13:19] cant believe i didnt get one till now [13:20] dive: actions that I make, like that one, is white. other nicks are a greenish color. [13:20] other nicks turquoise or something close to it. [13:20] not bold cyan? [13:20] spook: agreed, I can't believe you didn't have one until now either. [13:20] nope, no bold at all. [13:20] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [13:20] spook: Any function I go to that requires a suit I carry one in my inside pocket. [13:20] eviljames: cause now i can drink at uni, without trekking across campus to the tav [13:21] fire|bird, have you tried making a new user to test? [13:21] dive: Hmm, no hadn't tried that. [13:21] eviljames: lol nice [13:21] fire|bird, without copying any config or other files except the theme [13:21] spook: another great use! The multiple functionality of hip flasks wil lnever end! [13:21] dive: ok, I'll give that a shot. [13:21] fire|bird, yup [13:23] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "bbl" [13:23] Ardin (n=ardin@c-24-118-181-154.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:23] does anybody know, please, how to cold reset a linux machine, by 'cat-ing' a value into some a /proc/.../? file ? i forgot which file it was. maybe some of the /proc/sys/kernel/... [13:24] or 'echo-ing' instead of 'cat-ing' ;) [13:24] is it even possible with 2.4.x kernels ? [13:25] define cold reset? [13:25] rrh for 2.6, proc/sysrq [13:25] Hmm, ok, made a new user, logged in, haven't started X yet, I got a /etc/profile erri. :/ [13:25] more info fire [13:25] s/erri/error/ [13:26] rrh if sysrq is in a 2.4 kernel, yea [13:26] syntax error near unexpected token 'elif' [13:26] fire|bird #bash [13:26] Ardin: there was an 'option' when you echo-ed a value into some of the /proc/.. files, the machine would cold/hard reset itself, like you would press a reset button on the box, or switch it off-and-on again. [13:27] rrh read kernel/Doc*/.../sysrq* [13:27] oh. probably what Quiznos said. [13:27] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:27] nods [13:27] and another line of 'elif [ "$SHELL" = "/bin/ash" ]; then' [13:28] fire|bird were you editing that file? [13:28] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.105) joined ##slackware. [13:28] Quiznos: i remember now. it was a 'sub-feature' of the 'magic-button', or whatever it was. thank you. [13:28] Quiznos: nope, all I did was make a new user. [13:28] rrh yw [13:28] fire|bird ok [13:28] rrh "sysrq" is the proper search/kwd [13:28] I usually use zsh, but left it as bash to see if this irssi color problem is a zsh issue. [13:28] ok [13:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:29] so zsh is tryin to exec etc/profile? [13:29] fire|bird, which file is that error in? [13:29] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:29] and can you http://pastebin.slackadelic.com it? [13:29] afk [13:30] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@autodiscover.cusonet.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:30] Quiznos: no, this is bash complaining. [13:30] dive: /etc/profile. I don't even see that line in there that it complains about. [13:31] dive: it's in the VT, I could retype it to a pastebin. [13:31] ok but rather see whole thing [13:32] that 'elif' looks like something up higher is causing it [13:32] Quiznos: yes, that's what i was looking for. thanks, again. [13:33] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:33] dive: ok, sec, I'll pastebin. [13:35] anyone got a quick way to rename tv shows with their episode title? like, South Park.1x01.avi into South Park.1x01.Cartman Gets an Anal Probe.avi, but for a whole lot of episodes? [13:35] dive: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/OooDHb52.html [13:35] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.84.6.158) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: "The person who reads too much and uses his brain too little will fall into lazy habits of thinking." [13:36] fire|bird, yeah that's the error. I meant paste bin /etc/profile ;) [13:36] dive: haha, whoops. sec [13:37] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-26.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [13:38] dive: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/nRmhng74.html Now I see that line it complains about. :P [13:38] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:40] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.105) left irc: "Leaving" [13:40] fire|bird, see line 53 is commented out with a # ? Well you need that line, so you should uncomment it and put PS1="" or some such and perhaps follow that with a comment and the original value [13:40] fire|bird uses zsh, PS1 is replaced by prompt :D [13:41] fire|bird, better still just uncomment it and set prompt up in ~/.zshrc [13:41] locally not system wide [13:41] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [13:42] eviljames: for this user to test irssi colors, I just left it for bash. [13:42] always safer to change stuff locally than mess with /etc imo [13:42] fire|bird: ah. [13:42] dive: ok, why would it have been commented out? I haven't touched /etc/profile. [13:42] hey just curious , is /isolinux dir from current changed ? that scripted started to download it again [13:42] hi [13:42] fire|bird, well someone did and it weren't me [13:42] ! [13:43] I blame dive. [13:43] dive: Ah, I know, eviljames did it. :D [13:43] "Evil has a Name" and it's James. :D [13:43] Actually I did it with my awesome powers of mind kontrol!! [13:43] Action: eviljames starts singing dave matthews "I did it.. you think I'd go this far..." [13:43] Action: eviljames shoots himself for singing dave matthews [13:43] Action: fire|bird shoots eviljames for singing Dave Matthews as well. :D [13:43] evil people don't sing :| [13:44] bbiab [13:44] dive: FALSE! [13:44] Action: dive jumps up and down on eviljames's dead body [13:44] they chant [13:44] dive: I'll have you know, as an evil person, I go to karaoke all the time! [13:44] omg you might be right [13:44] brb [13:44] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwppMxX5ytI [13:44] Wo gesungen wird da lass dich nieder, denn nur gute Menschen singen Lieder [13:46] has anyone set up a compose key that works in an xterm, urxvt etc? (not terminal or konsole) [13:46] cos mine seems borked in urxvt [13:47] s/seems/is/ [13:48] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8F41A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] freebse (n=freebse@e176230120.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:50] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.91) joined ##slackware. [13:50] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:52] i called the witch doctor and she told me what to say she said [13:52] oooh eee ooh ah ah [13:52] whatever whatever walla walla bing bang [13:53] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [13:53] bong [13:54] hey, im in kinda trouble , i mess up my local mirror time stamp, and most of them have todays date ,, is there any way to import slackware-current time stamp ? [13:54] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:55] just rsync it again, should do the trick. [13:55] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) joined ##slackware. [13:55] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:55] dtanner: its downloadint it again [13:55] downloading [13:55] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl16-41.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:55] Æ [13:56] i mean the files .. [13:56] i see you rissue now, it is downloading everything AGAIN because the timestamps do not match. ? [13:56] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] exactly [13:57] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] i can't bare the download .. :(, [13:58] well you could touch them all so the timestamps are now, and then it shooul stop download [13:58] init[1]: --size-only [13:58] or that [13:58] but then he would have to use it all the time, no? [13:58] at least it will ignore time stamps and only download acording to file size changes [13:59] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [13:59] yes, true. but I dunno how to fix his timestamp issue right away. [13:59] gbowden (n=gbowden@169.Red-81-33-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] just an option [13:59] without re-downloading everything anyway [13:59] dtanner: i think i have the iso image .. [13:59] init[1], what are your timestamps set at? [13:59] todays day [13:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:59] how did you change timestamp? [14:00] dive: good question. =) and why? [14:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:00] well sorry not todays date but its 07/16/2009 [14:00] hmm [14:00] ah [14:00] Yeah, because then it would be the day after payday and I'd still have money. [14:01] gbowden (n=gbowden@169.Red-81-33-146.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] lq still lists me as a newbie. That makes me feel special. [14:01] I will make a guess at this since I'm not a find fiend but something like 'find . -name * -exec touch {}\;' might put all the timestamps to today/this time. [14:01] bijit_ (i=1000@190.241.15.48) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:01] Hello :) [14:02] Hi, eviljames [14:02] run in the root of your rsync directory [14:02] man find should help [14:02] Hi, dive [14:02] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:02] fredoslack, hi [14:03] greetings fredoslack [14:03] Hi fire|bird :) [14:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:03] fire|bird, hows it going with editing that file? [14:03] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.91) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] see this was the problem , or it might have created it .. i had created a group slrsync and only that group is allowed to have rwx access on my local repos ,, and im part of that group , well today when i checked up , i don't have write acess any more ,so i had to chmod it [14:04] fire|bird, uncomment line 47 too [14:04] dive: rsync -u|--update is the closest thing i cold find. but it only works if the timesstamp on the destination is newer than the source. [14:04] dive: ok, will do. [14:04] init[1], aha [14:04] i think i will try out the iso image [14:04] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-235-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] copy it to the local repos [14:05] Action: dive slaps fire|bird's wrist. [14:06] no more edits in /etc please, kthxbai [14:06] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:06] I can haz root ? [14:06] nono [14:06] O RLY? [14:06] dive: :( [14:06] ya rly [14:06] dive: I didn't edit in /etc in the first place. [14:06] o0 [14:07] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: [14:07] O.O [14:07] maybe it was that clone that just left [14:07] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:08] hmm what happened then [14:08] dive: alright, done. am in irssi with electron theme in a VT now. [14:08] and a newly made user. :) [14:08] phoenix^, after editing file you need to log out of all consoles :| [14:08] dive: I did [14:08] but you can probably keep screen running [14:08] ah so [14:09] any better as new user? [14:09] still the same colors. [14:09] then it's something in /etc thats been edited [14:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [14:09] my nick is white, yours is red when you say my nick, and everbody else's is turquoise-ish [14:10] dive: but what? I haven't touched /etc for editing files. [14:10] I'll marry the first woman that uses Slackware [14:10] well something has [14:10] Keiffer: That's retarded [14:11] dive: any ideas though? What can I check? [14:11] straterra, why? [14:11] Keiffer: Well, there's nix_chix0r (who's already married" and missyjane. :P [14:11] My gf is a happy slackware user too. [14:11] uhm..Marrying someone because of their OS choice? [14:11] who only marries military scientists [14:11] But, you can't have her. [14:12] That's almost as retarded as the crap I heard in here yesterday [14:12] straterra: which crap? [14:12] fire|bird, I would hazard a guess and suggest looking at /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh [14:12] \o/ there's 3 women slackers. :D [14:12] About asking someone for their phone number for support [14:12] fire|bird, pastebin it and I will compare with mine perhaps [14:12] dive: Hmm, alright, anything I'm looking for specifically? [14:12] straterra: As soon as the phone ring, my billing timer starts. [14:12] dive: ok [14:12] phoenix^, 3? [14:13] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:13] slackytude: eviljames's gf, nix_chix0r, and missyjane. :P [14:13] ah, ok [14:13] well, we only have eviljames word for it [14:13] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:13] :P [14:13] slackytude: I believe eviljames. :) [14:13] bijit (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: Connection timed out [14:13] SageX (n=sage@adsl-61-16-178.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] 4! Don't forget Kethry? [14:13] Oh, of course! [14:13] dive: ah, yeah. [14:14] 1.. 2... 5! [14:14] 3 sir, 3! [14:14] heh The Holy Hand Grenade [14:14] 5 is right out [14:14] I want a holy handgrenade [14:14] hey turds, am i a dick if i cut off a website radio station at the office? i could hear my friend's employees blasting it and it's a) getting on my nerves and b) hindering their "ability to work" [14:14] Ugh, that uncommenting change in /etc/profile messed up my zsh prompt now. :( [14:15] jeev: You're a dick, but not because of htat. [14:15] upon the count of 3, not one more, not one less. 2 is insufficient. 4 is too many. [14:15] s/htat/that/ [14:15] haha [14:15] jeev: Consider that my blessing to firewall that site permanently. [14:15] slackytude: "skip a bit brother" [14:15] If it's last.fm you should have done it a long time ago. Make me pay for a subscription will ya?! [14:15] lordsimian (n=lordsimi@144.38.70.37) left irc: "leaving" [14:15] hmm, what can I use to find the models of the hard drives on a machine? [14:16] Camarade_Tux: hdparm? [14:16] and yes, it's a remote machine ;) [14:16] eviljames: nope [14:16] jeev, put radio 4 on there [14:16] or 3 [14:16] y0 Camarade_Tux [14:16] or 'The BBC World Service' [14:16] in a posh accent [14:16] yo fire|bird [14:16] Camarade_Tux, hi [14:16] Camarade_Tux: yup [14:17] Camarade_Tux: hdparm -i /dev/sda [14:17] yo dive, yo eviljames :) [14:17] Camarade_Tux, are you err normal tonight, or should I be hiding behind the couch? [14:17] Action: slackytude waves at Camarade_Tux [14:17] dive: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/qa8Z0S41.html [14:17] eviljames: needs to be root [14:17] Camarade_Tux, still at work? [14:17] dive: Just keep your ass facing the wall, everything should be fine. That's what I do. [14:17] heh [14:17] Action: Camarade_Tux reacts positively to slackytude <3 [14:17] slackytude: nope [14:18] so you went to work at 15:00 and are back at 20:00? [14:18] nah [14:18] everybody has a better job than me [14:18] ARGH, I have to keep setting my zsh prompt manually now each time I open a terminal. :P [14:18] I arrived at 4pm and left at 6pm :) [14:18] >< [14:18] fire|bird, gonna dcc you a file, that ok? [14:18] >_<; [14:18] dive: sure [14:19] what's radio 4 [14:19] eviljames, i know i'm a dick. thanks [14:19] goes in /etc/ [14:19] slackytude: I'm not paid ;) [14:19] feels great coming from a turd! [14:19] jeev, BBC Radio 4 [14:19] dive: Hmm, that failed. no file offered by dive. [14:19] fire|bird, firewall perhaps? [14:19] ok I will upload it [14:19] one sec [14:19] Camarade_Tux: then dmesg should work [14:20] dive: possibly. I've had others dcc to me before and it works fine though. [14:20] dive: ok, thanks. [14:20] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Camarade_Tux, ahh right, you said [14:20] Camarade_Tux: cat /sys/block/sda/device/model [14:20] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/DIR_COLORS [14:20] OH NOES, it's the walmartshopper [14:20] walmartshopper: Hey thanks! :D [14:22] gypsydawg (n=mike@47.196.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: "beam-me-up-scotty" [14:22] fire|bird, wondering if my router blocked it somehow but I've no idea what port it should use for dcc [14:22] eviljames: gonna check [14:22] fire|bird, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/DIR_COLORS [14:23] Camarade_Tux: ignore me, do what walmartshopper said. [14:23] I'm not gonna memorize that long though ;) [14:23] dive: yup, got it, it goes to /etc/ as DIR_COLORS, correct? [14:23] Camarade_Tux: Well, then dmesg | grep -b3 sda [14:23] fire|bird, yes [14:24] dive: ok, got it. Do I have to logout and back for it to take affect? [14:24] fire|bird, I would think so [14:24] Camarade_Tux: dmesg | grep ATA should work too [14:24] yep [14:24] dive: ok, will do. thanks. [14:24] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [14:25] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [14:25] it's the clone ranger! [14:25] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.91) joined ##slackware. [14:26] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:27] :/ same colors. [14:27] dammit [14:27] BACJ [14:27] BACK [14:27] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:27] phoenix^, try this: 'eval `/bin/dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS`' [14:28] dive: ok. [14:28] no need log out just start a new terminal [14:28] missyjane: Keiffer will marry you. [14:28] why? [14:28] because you are part of the church of subgenius. [14:28] you were made for each other [14:28] and HELP ME GET QEMU TO RUN LFS :D [14:28] Sure! [14:28] D: [14:29] Keiffer: you can't go back on your word either, we have logs for proof of what you said. :P [14:29] arranged marriage. lol [14:29] /lastlog marry [14:29] Can Pat marry people? that'd be perfect. [14:29] irc marriage. :P [14:29] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:29] fire|bird, so, let's make a weeding [14:29] Dominian is a priest [14:30] i'll marry someone [14:30] Or a Reverend or something [14:30] Now Keiffer is trying to marry fire|bird? [14:30] Anyone ever used dvbackup before? [14:30] I solemnly swear, on my kernel to take... [14:30] WTF dude, biological clock ticking or something? [14:30] lol [14:30] dive: eh, zsh: no such file or directory: eval `/bin/dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS` [14:30] anyway, Dominian can perfom marriages [14:30] perhaps Keiffer would be better off with Camarade_Tux [14:30] Action: missyjane cries [14:30] Wescotte: I've heard of people using that... that's the tape backup to dv camera, right? [14:30] fire|bird, wot?! [14:31] Dominian: get over here, you have a marriage to perform. :P [14:31] What are we waiting for? bring it ooon [14:31] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.91) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:31] missyjane: you have a wedding dress? [14:31] wth [14:31] Do you? [14:31] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [14:31] eviljames: yeah.. I'm trying to get it working to make a "iso" of my dv tapes but I can't get it to function.. [14:31] haha [14:31] good you're married.. kiss her [14:31] lol [14:31] nice work reverend [14:31] fire|bird: /usr/bin/dircolors [14:31] Spaceballs ftw [14:31] fire|bird, ls -l /bin/dircolors [14:31] That was one of those quicky ceremonies. :P [14:32] dive: yes, it does exist, I checked that already. [14:32] dive: `which dircolors` [14:32] ls -l /etc/DIR_COLORS [14:32] zsh 1028 % which dircolors [14:32] /usr/bin/dircolors [14:32] yup, that's there too dive [14:32] what?! RAPE! I REFUSE! [14:33] missyjane: you and Keiffer are now husband and wife, enjoy your life as a married woman now. :D [14:33] phroggy (n=phroggy@webwizardry.net) joined ##slackware. [14:33] which eval? [14:33] rape? where where? [14:33] eval: shell built-in command [14:33] i protest to this marriage :P [14:33] Keiffer isn't the right person for missyjane [14:33] Keiffer: she's your wife now, treat her good. :) [14:33] eviljames: it wants to use /dev/video1394 but I think anything recent uses raw1394.. [14:33] he isn't military and doesn't play warhammer [14:34] Lord_Khelben: no, The-Croupier is. :P [14:34] fire|bird, eval `/bin/dircolors -b /etc/DIR_COLORS` - don't forget the backticks [14:34] Ardin (n=ardin@c-24-118-181-154.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:34] fire|bird, ok, I'll love her GUI until it gets old [14:34] the-croupier is military ? [14:34] Wescotte: well, sir, it's open source. patch time! [14:34] The_Crouier or TwinReverb? [14:34] eviljames: hehe I'll try but I dunno wtf I'm doing :) [14:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@192.188.48.254) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:35] Wescotte: At some point in time, neither did the original developers. [14:35] (and do they now?) [14:35] eviljames: hah good point [14:35] Any progress on the BIND patch yet? [14:36] raela|alt (n=raela@c-24-126-91-124.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] haw haw, my gov't is suing the woman who went on the american commercials claiming that if she relied on gov't healthcare she would have died! [14:37] (rightfully so, considering she's an outright liar) [14:38] fire|bird, ? [14:38] dive: phone call, sec. :) [14:39] Action: eviljames <- fail. [14:39] the dircolors in usr is a symlink and I clearly haven't had enough coffee. [14:39] fire|bird, >:( you are EVIL, i am nobodys wife! esp as i explicitly said i want a military+scientist man :o [14:40] missyjane: you're a guy [14:40] ? [14:40] Dominian, oh right ok [14:40] Dominian, no [14:40] lol [14:40] You want a military AND scientist, is it a military OR scientist, or is it military XOR scientist? [14:40] eviljames, and [14:40] hmmm military scientist... (thinks) [14:40] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] :) [14:40] its hard but usually those folks are worth marrying [14:40] So it MUST be both, a jarhead, nor an egghead will do? [14:41] dive: ok, back, that worked. I had copied and pasted that command before and forgot to remove the ' you had around it. :P It worked now. [14:41] LOL [14:41] there was those guys that worked on the A bomb but they are probably all in their 80's now [14:41] if i had to pick between jarhead or egghead, id pick jarhead [14:41] Sweet, you'd get all the complimentary beatings you'd get with all the PTSD from Iraq tours. [14:41] fire|bird, so the command worked but what about colours? [14:41] s/get/handle/2 [14:43] it's a nice day for a white wedding [14:43] eviljames, lol untrue, as i have met marines with ptsd [14:43] that was actually a pretty unfair statement about jarheads, I'm sure most are sane, nice people who just want to defend what they believe in. [14:43] some marines with 3-4 tours even [14:43] eviljames, and probably some psychos who want the action and also some people who didn't get the chance in life (or are too dumb) to get a career [14:43] my ex is an officer so he doesnt suffer any ptsd as he isnt front line anymore but he has done it before, and when he was on the way back from a break, ive seen most of his friends and none of them were insane [14:44] dive lol if you are stoopid, its hard to get into the military as you have to pass the asvab [14:44] so the whole "only stupid people and poor people join the military is false" [14:44] asvab? [14:44] so the whole "only stupid people and poor people join the military" is false [14:44] yeah google it [14:44] dive: I watched some junk on HBO about recruiters, it's pretty sickening to watch them poach kids out of poor neighborhoods on grounds that they literally have no options. [14:44] missyjane, I did _not_ say only poor or psychos [14:45] HBO said that, though. With video evidence to boot! [14:45] eviljames, yeah jjust like civilians like car salesman or real estate salesmans [14:45] dive: Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery .. basically the SATs for getting into the military :p [14:45] I mearly mentioned that in some deprived areas it's the only option perhaps, and that some maniacs would love to get their hands on an m16 [14:45] dive true, even military isnt perfect [14:45] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-8-175-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:45] dive: haven't checked the colors yet, was busy afk. :P [14:45] brb [14:45] but you know what, the filter worked great [14:45] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] where's tonto when you need him? [14:46] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] read this http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm [14:46] lol tonto is anti-military? [14:46] AHHHHHHHHHHH, still the same. :/ [14:47] missyjane, I was making a reference to the (c)lne ranger [14:47] fire|bird: what's going wrong? ls doesn't have colour anymore? [14:47] o [14:47] (c)lone* [14:47] fire|bird, is the clone ranger [14:47] eviljames: irssi colors of dive's theme aren't right for me. [14:47] oh, gotcha. [14:47] well anyone back on topic - someone help me with qemu :D i need it to run a cd [14:47] fire|bird, you mean actually that all your terminal colours are wrong [14:48] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [14:48] not so much do wth my theme [14:48] missyjane: The heritage foundation are hardly a reputable source of information. [14:49] missyjane: Their express purpose is to "formulate and promote conservative public policies..." <- the entire point of the heritage foundation is to BE BIASED. [14:49] dive: no, all the other colors are fine, just the irssi colors are still peach, turquoise, etc. [14:49] eviljames, im a conservative, i also voted ron paul/libertarian party, its only natural for me to fall to that position [14:49] Ron Paul is a quack. [14:49] A pure lunatic. Join me in ##slackofftopic for more :D [14:49] well then we have nothing to talk about, as its also offtopic and you wont change your opinion [14:49] no thanks [14:50] there are people in there that believe in mind control and that 911 is an inside job [14:50] or that jews are evil people [14:50] fire|bird, and you tried a new user profile with no .irssi directory? [14:50] They're only slightly more sane than Ron Paul. [14:50] also, the moon landing was faked in a TV studio [14:50] phroggy, haha [14:50] and AIDS was created by the government [14:50] Elvis and Jim Morrison are still alive [14:50] dive: yup, brand new user, clean /home for the user, etc. [14:50] Again, these are all more sane positions than what Ron Paul believes. [14:50] I still say Oswald was a patsy! [14:51] oh that too, you forgot tupac [14:51] twolf: and Jacko [14:51] Jerry Garcia too [14:51] TUPAC MAN i love tupac [14:51] yep him too [14:51] hey twolf [14:51] hey fire|bird [14:51] Keiffer, i'd marry you if you make more than my husband [14:51] FINALLY some honesty from a woman! [14:51] eviljames, i guess you hate every other talk show hosts that liked ron paul too, like stephen colbert and jon stewart [14:51] fire|bird, when you tried irssi in new user, was it in screen? [14:51] twolf: that didn't work for getting my camcorder video. :P [14:51] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-8-175-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [14:51] So..like..has everyone pretty much accepted 'global warming', eh? [14:51] nix_chix0r, how much? [14:51] dive: no, I just tried with irssi [14:52] ok [14:52] eviljames, lol my exbf before he joined the military, was a skinny punk and i wanted to marry that sorry excuse because i loved him (he was a childhood friend too) [14:52] y0 nix_chix0r, how's it going? [14:52] so and ive never cheated either [14:52] fire|bird: that sucks [14:52] missyjane: An appeal to Stewart's authority? He's a COMEDIAN. [14:52] we each make 45 k so if you can top that i might have to reconsider;) [14:52] but then again im a conservative which means old school [14:52] hey straterra [14:52] twolf: agreed. :) [14:52] Ron Paul has some good ideas, but the implementation would be completely impossible, and trying to do it halfway (which could be possible) would destroy western civilization (not really, but it would suck ass) [14:52] missyjane: It makes sense for him to enjoy Paul, the positions are so laughable it's easy punch line material. [14:52] eviljames, i know tons of ppl too [14:52] ok if you think jon/stephen are making fun of him [14:53] phroggy: I'll stand behind him being a quack, if you want to discuss a specific position I'd be inclined to do so. [14:53] phroggy, most of the military folks like my exbf voted ron paul [14:53] phoenix^ (n=firebird@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:53] fire|bird, irssi --version? [14:53] eviljames, alex jones is not a reputable source either [14:53] dive: irssi 0.8.14 (20090728 1938) [14:53] hahaha, alex jones is slightly more sane than Paul, but is a total nutjob as well. [14:53] why would he be a nutjob? you support his positions [14:53] afterall, the joos did it right? :D [14:54] Excuse me? [14:54] one thing I do understand is voting for Ron Paul just for the sake of getting somebody in office who's not a normal Democrat or Republican (even though he's officially a Republican, everybody knows he isn't really). [14:54] missyjane: Nice try to paint me with that brush, but let's talk about REALITY for a few minutes. [14:54] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-8-175-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Keiffer, i just told him :) [14:55] missyjane: I would like to see any evidence of me supporting anything alex jones has to say. Otherwise, cram it. [14:55] ugh, the "you support A, so therefore you must also support B, C and D" thing is really annoying. [14:55] nix_chix0r, good! [14:55] eviljames, i already told you, its offtopic, i also suggest you pm me as im not joining that channel [14:55] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-8-175-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [14:56] missyjane: You've made a public statement lumping me in with people, I'd like to see you publicly defend it, or retract. [14:56] eviljames, ive also said i didnt want to talk about this but you kept going on [14:56] lets end it now [14:56] !op [14:56] get an op in [14:56] why would i want to publicly defend it? i dont really care, as i said you wouldnt change your mind [14:57] missyjane: a retraction would be polite. [14:57] how would i retract? [14:57] At the very least, admit that statement was a flat-out lie. [14:57] i don't think she knows how to retract [14:57] what statement was a flat out lie? [14:57] heh [14:57] yes i dont know how to retract :| [14:57] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [14:57] I don't think !op does anything.. [14:57] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [14:57] well i dont know [14:57] it worked in some channels [14:57] Action: nix_chix0r smears her poop on missyjane [14:57] dkwhit (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-8-175-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:58] hehe [14:58] ewwww. [14:58] i wouldnt piss on you if you were on fire nix_chix0r [14:58] Water works better [14:58] Unless its an electrical fire [14:58] lol [14:58] well it's a good thing i know how to stop. drop . and roll:) [14:58] good thing you make $45k or something like that and have a child :) [14:58] lol [14:58] Nick change: dkwhit -> Chakravanti [14:58] y0 hitest [14:59] hiya fire|bird:) [14:59] its suppose to be mud wrestling not shit wrestling ladies [14:59] missyjane, i own my home i have like hardly any bills:P [14:59] hitest: how's it going? [14:59] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] it goes well, fire|bird. you? [14:59] xsamurai, she would win, she is too big, like sumo big [14:59] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [14:59] wow [14:59] yeah i'm 300kg [14:59] hitest: doing excellent, thanks. Just watching the show here. :P [14:59] :) see? [15:00] fat people dont feel pain [15:00] missyjane: Are you sure you aren't jeev? [15:00] eviljames, im sure, you can ask folks in #freenode [15:00] Action: fire|bird makes a huge container of popcorn and passes it around. :) [15:00] elemenohpee (n=Boris@cpe-66-8-175-192.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [15:00] nom [15:00] so how abou that slackware? [15:00] twolf: It's great! [15:00] but apparently im getting shit cause i support ron paul and like military folks [15:00] i eat things like missyjane for snacks shove her in my folds [15:00] twolf: isn't it great. :D [15:00] sweet! [15:00] ha [15:00] nix_chix0r: gotta keep 'em warm for later, eh? [15:00] Action: phroggy munches some popcorn and passes it on [15:00] missyjane: doodoo wrestling doesnt work by the pound it goes by the smell [15:00] eviljames: and Slack64 will be even sweeter. :D [15:00] yupyup [15:00] they certainly do when their arteries clog [15:00] fire|bird: So far, it is :D [15:01] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [15:01] missyjane: So, no retraction for your patently false statements about me? No admission whatsoever? [15:01] eviljames, it's kinda like keeping those cheap sandwiches from a gas station warm. the cheese gets slimey but you can't help to not eat it anyway [15:01] Action: dive breaks out a few bottles of beer and passes them around [15:01] eviljames: I wouldn't know yet, but once this laptop is fixed, I will. :D [15:01] 2 slack women and they are fighting :) [15:01] missyjane: it's not because you support Ron Paul, it's because you don't seem to understand how to back up a statement. [15:01] fire|bird: If I had parts I'd e-mail them to you! [15:02] OK to all offtopic junks - you were interrupting on-topic Slackware talk. Now take ytour politics outside this channel [15:02] missyjane: and because you say mean things to people that aren't true, and appear to have no idea what you've said. [15:02] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:02] wow, alienBOB.. i wasn't even involved this time [15:02] NqqmNet (n=vanko@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. [15:02] aren't you proud of me [15:02] I will devoice the ones that continue ranting [15:02] hehe [15:02] jeev: my hero ;-) [15:02] alienBOB, my bad ya know that [15:02] alienBOB: Not to defend my continuance of it, but at least I tried to move it :P [15:02] Action: eviljames silences about that topic and moves on with life [15:02] Good ;-) [15:02] eviljames, so what about canada [15:03] missyjane: So, no retraction for your patently false statements about me? No admission whatsoever? [15:03] Action: thrice` mentions that whenever he sees political discussions going on, it's usually the same 2-3 people [15:03] Action: eviljames raises his hand "guilty" [15:03] heh [15:03] thrice`: NAZI! [15:03] nix_chix0r: he really cant boot you, theres a quota for atleast 2 girls for every 1000 guys in this channel [15:03] ho ho [15:03] thric`i already tried to get the op in [15:03] and im not guilty eviljames as you well know you kept this going [15:03] Yes, I can kick girls [15:03] missyjane: hint, you are one of the two [15:03] And I will [15:03] alienBOB: That's HOT [15:03] i have 1 - no idea what retraction means 2 - i have made no false statement, perhaps i did generalize but they arent false [15:03] thrice`, then get the op in [15:03] roflmao [15:03] missyjane: I am the op [15:03] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-26.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:03] missyjane: ok [15:04] alienBOB: ping [15:04] heh [15:04] alienBOB: You're Jerry Springer atm..you know that, right? [15:04] alienBOB, well do what you have to do, all they are doing is fueling the fire [15:04] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:04] So stop it then [15:04] :) thanks [15:04] The fire will die with lack of fuel [15:04] thrice`: ? [15:04] so if you want to continue this, i said pm me, i said that at least 3 times [15:05] missyjane: the "stop this" was also directed at you [15:05] ok [15:05] hey alienBOB [15:06] fire|bird, I'm stumped about your colours.. I'm beginning to wonder if mine are off.. Camarade_Tux has the theme too so I need ask him when he's about. [15:07] dive: yeah, it's odd. I don't have any scripts running either, so I know it's not a script messing with the colors. I'm also not using screen atm so that isn't affecting things either. [15:07] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Ugh, laptop just froze again, it was recovering orphans. :P [15:07] I did have a script once that printed out colours to console. I will have to have a look for it. [15:08] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Hey Urchlay [15:08] hola [15:09] I'm gonna go out on a limb (not being a laptop expert) and say this laptop is getting way to warm too quickly. [15:09] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: No route to host [15:09] fire|bird: time for careul attempts to add more fans! [15:09] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [15:09] bbl [15:09] one indication of that: if you can put a piece of bread on the laptop, and it turns into toast, you've got a heat problem [15:10] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [15:10] [15:10] eviljames: heh, there's already two. The one is really cool and the other is expelling, imo, alot of heat for the little it's been running. [15:10] if it's an old laptop, you might check & see if the fans are clogged with dust [15:10] Urchlay: I can do that on my balcony, make toast, fry eggs... cooking breakfast has never been easier! [15:10] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [15:11] Urchlay: 2007 HP zv6000, anything's possible with it, everything looks real clean though. [15:11] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Hello init[1]|buffer|whoever|you|are. :D [15:11] hey.. what is the default umask ? [15:11] NqqmNet (n=vanko@87.120.157.27) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:11] what i see here is 0000 [15:11] fire|bird: also the fans are under software control. Maybe it's trying to save power by not running the fans all the time (or not at full speed) [15:11] init[1]: it should be 022 [15:12] er, 0022 [15:12] yea , are you on current? [15:12] not at the moment, this is my 12.2 laptop [15:12] Urchlay: :0 [15:12] :) [15:12] the -current 64-bit box isn't even plugged in (I'm in the middle of moving) [15:12] ook .. [15:12] Urchlay: yeah, it doesn't sound like they're running to fast. If the darn think would stay running, I could check somehow. It has XP on it atm. :/ [15:13] fire|bird: are you on current? [15:13] I can tell you though, I'd have noticed if my umask were wrong [15:13] Urchlay: that is for 12.2 [15:13] Ah crap, the one quit running. :/ [15:13] the one that was expelling the heat. [15:13] usually its same [15:14] This can't be good, can it. :/ [15:14] init[1]: I've been using -current for my main box for a while now. It's only yesterday that I took it down to move it [15:14] yea, its 0022 , [15:14] Yup, the heat expelling one has completely stopped. :( [15:14] not good [15:14] IIRC, the umask gets set in /etc/profile [15:15] but the xfce terminal 0000 [15:15] fire|bird: In the bios you should be able to enable/disable some controls over the fan [15:15] twolf: not at all. :( [15:15] init[1]: figure out what option you need to turn on, to get the xfce terminal to run a login shell [15:15] (not being an xfce user I can't be more specific) [15:15] fire|bird, a small test: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/colours - if you run this script it will print out the standard colours. The bg colour in column 46 should be bold cyan, the same colour as the nicks in my screenshot. The rows 1m and 1;37m should be bold white, as when someone says your nick. [15:15] eviljames: Hmm, ok, I'll see if I can with this one. I don't recall seeing any settings for that. [15:15] ok [15:16] dive: ok, I'll try that, thanks. [15:16] Action: dive is beginning to doubt his sanity now [15:17] Action: fire|bird is beginning to wonder if dive is insane. :D [15:17] anyway gotta go shopping - I will check in later [15:17] cyas [15:17] later dive, thanks. :) [15:17] yw [15:17] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-253.isimples.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [15:19] Urchlay: i forcefully set my umask to 0022 from .bashrc file [15:19] pireau (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:19] now it seems to work , but not a clean way to do that [15:19] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) joined ##slackware. [15:20] dive: Hmm, ok, looking at that and then the ss again and the what my irssi actually is, the colors are all correct except for when someone says my nick, instead of white, it's peach. [15:20] init[1]: checked your /etc/profile yet? [15:20] Hmm, wait a second. Someone say my nick please? [15:20] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.44) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:20] Urchlay: yes [15:21] phoenix^ ? [15:21] the tty terminal give proper umask [15:21] eviljames: say fire|bird [15:21] fire|bird: make me! [15:21] haha [15:21] dang, that didn't fix it. thanks. :P [15:22] okay, someone try saying it again? [15:22] fire|bird: NO [15:22] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.182.44) joined ##slackware. [15:23] darn, still doesn't work. All the colors are fine now except when someone says my nick, it's a peach like color, it should be white. [15:23] My touchpad's scroll has disappeared for the first time ever :( [15:23] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [15:24] restarting X. brb [15:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [15:24] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:24] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] lol, nice quit message for hiptobecubic. I'm in that same boat atm. :P [15:24] Action: eviljames disagrees with hiptobecubic's quit msg :P [15:25] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] eviljames: HP makes awesome stuff imo, I'm just having some terrible luck. [15:25] hehe, I can't argue with that. [15:25] hiptobecubic: I'll have you know I have an HP laptop. :P [15:25] except printer :P [15:25] most hp printers are awful [15:25] Boo HP [15:25] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:25] especially their postscript implementation [15:25] hiptobecubic: Did your mouse device change to ps2 instead synaptics or something? [15:25] I'm on a dv6000. It's terrible. [15:25] Lord_Khelben: I disagree, I have had several HP printers and never had a single issue. [15:25] hiptobecubic: zv6000 here. :D [15:26] eviljames, i'm not sure. But some thing has changed everything. sensitivity is different as well [15:26] i had nothing but trouble with hp. (b/w laser printers) [15:27] eviljames, xfce says that 'macintosh mouse button emulation' is on... [15:27] eviljames: nope, no fan control in BIOS. [15:27] Anybody know on a zv6000 what the Video Graphic Mode should be? [15:27] Sideport, UMA, or Sideport+UMA? [15:27] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [15:28] hiptobecubic: I'm on a dv6729ca (not right this second, tho), I hadn't seen that happen. Check your xorg.conf & log, maybe something has gone haywire? [15:28] eviljames, hmm [15:28] Ah, nevermind, I figured out what those modes do. :D [15:28] fire|bird: I'd expect both. [15:29] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [15:29] NqqmNet (n=vanko@87.120.157.27) joined ##slackware. [15:29] eviljames: yeah, with both, it uses both shared and onboard video memory. [15:30] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-189-157.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:30] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.246.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [15:31] tooly (n=theo@e178154140.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] paissad (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:32] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.44) joined ##slackware. [15:32] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [15:32] What would cause that fan to shut off? Software not controlling it right, fan not working right, or worse? [15:33] Both [15:33] what fan? [15:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:33] guax: the cooling fan in his lappyt [15:34] it could be just by energy economy [15:35] well, he has checked the bios for any overrides there, no dice. So it comes down to the power profile it is running at. [15:35] If he's plugged in, by default it should be 'full power' and not worrying about energy economy, running the fans as appropriate. [15:35] i.e. Whatever the heck windows is doing. :P [15:35] fire|bird, is your computer screaming in pain by overheat? [15:35] eviljames, i don't know what's going. It all looks about right. restarting.. [15:35] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [15:35] guax: I think it might be. :P It's not working well. :P [15:36] freezes? [15:36] and it feels way to hot for that fan to be shutting off. [15:36] are you controlling the temp? [15:36] guax: yeah, freezes/lockups [15:36] any operating system is causing this problem? [15:36] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [15:36] could be bad bios configuration [15:36] or even bad hardware [15:37] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] s/configuration/software/g [15:37] guax: not sure, It's only had windows on it. It won't run long enough to do anything else. :P [15:37] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:37] guax: it's an HP zv6000, the dv6000's had a firmware upgrade that adjusted the fan algorithm, the zv6000's do not. :P [15:37] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl16-41.kav.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Go for the eyes Boo, go for the eyes!" [15:38] init[1]_ (i=1000@116.68.99.162) joined ##slackware. [15:38] fire|bird, i do recomment hp support [15:38] init[1]_ (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [15:38] fire|bird: hey man :) [15:38] Action: eviljames seconds guax's motion. [15:38] fire|bird: hm, you can't boot a slack install disk or usb stick on it? [15:39] Urchlay: doesn't support USB and I can use a disk, but it freezes. :/ [15:39] y0 gar0t0 [15:39] init[1]_ (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [15:39] freezes after boot, or during the kernel init? [15:39] yay my local mirror got its timestamp back [15:40] Nick change: init[1]_ -> buffer [15:40] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [15:40] Urchlay: Well, it's Windows XP, it freezes while XP's running and sometimes won't even start and hangs at the XP logo screen or sometimes the HP logo screen. :/ [15:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I meant, if you try to boot a slackware disk, where does it freeze? (not that it matters much I suppose) [15:41] and the laptop is getting WAY to hot for that fan to be stopped, it should instead be running full speed. [15:41] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:42] if any one mess up with local repos time stamps , this is what you should do ,[1] recursvly set the time stamp to todays date using touch,[2] re run the rsync .. tada [15:42] Urchlay: whoops, sorry. I hadn't tried the slackware disk yet, it did boot slax just fine, then froze while it was running. [15:42] fire|bird, i supose its not a new laptop [15:42] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] guax: no [15:42] yeah. Back when I first heard of the concept of fans that are under software control, I knew it was a bad idea... [15:42] fire|bird, seems hardware problem, bad fan perhaps [15:42] rip him off and fix =D [15:42] Urchlay: No doubt. [15:43] Urchlay: agreed. [15:43] maybe you could replace the fan with a dumb one that just runs all the time [15:43] (battery life might suffer some) [15:44] heck, maybe you could make the existing fan run all the time (find out which wire is the control signal, short it to +5V or whatever) [15:44] zkillerz (n=sdfsdf@189.172.128.90) joined ##slackware. [15:44] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Yeah I don't know what's going on. [15:44] hiptobecubic: still no dice? [15:44] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-160-68.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] eviljames: nada. [15:45] eviljames: I don't even know what would have changed. I feel like it was working fine yesterday. [15:45] hiptobecubic: Well, I should be home in about 5 hours, at which time I can fire up my dv6xxx and we can compare xorg stuff, or kernel stuff as need be? [15:46] eviljames: that would be lovely. [15:46] If I can get windows to stay working long enough, what's a good program to check like fan speeds/temps, etc. ? [15:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host230-237-dynamic.20-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:47] binarycodes (n=Sujoy@59.93.243.125) joined ##slackware. [15:47] binarycodes (n=Sujoy@59.93.243.125) left ##slackware ("bye"). [15:47] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:47] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:48] hiptobecubic: no worries, it's not like I won't be sitting on the couch using it immediately after walking in the door anyway :D [15:49] eviljames: WOAH! check it out. I must of updated synaptics. [15:49] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [15:49] Now it uses dual-finger scrolling [15:49] i feel so.... mac [15:50] Action: phroggy wonders if there's an easy way to get ctrl-click to simulate mouse2 [15:50] haha, with a different hdd it still BSOD'ed and that fan still is not running. There's two fans, one is running and expelling cool air, running slower, the other one expells the hot air and isn't running AT ALL. [15:50] eviljames: I didn't realize this crummy touchpad was aware of more than one touch at a time... Could it be doing cooler things? [15:50] hiptobecubic: What's the problem? [15:50] hiptobecubic: Yeah, it's 100% capable of doing cooler things. [15:51] greetings Alan_Hicks [15:51] hiptobecubic: That synaptics pad is in some 80% of laptops, including all Macbooks. [15:51] hiptobecubic: So all those snazzy 'touch interface' things that the macbooks do, we should be able to do.... [15:51] hiptobecubic: ... that is, when MPX is ready. [15:51] What is it you're trying to do with the touchpad? [15:51] the synaptics driver can definitely do taht [15:51] thrice`: things like pinch zoom and multipoint tracking? [15:52] thrice`: I thought that was waiting on mpx/ [15:52] things like two-finger scrolling work with the current synaptics [15:54] Hmm, the fan is encased in a large round metal casing. [15:54] i need a belly-up moose [15:54] Alan_Hicks: You do live [15:55] and talking about hp: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2009/07/090729-greenpeace-02.jpg [15:56] That's the rumor. [15:56] seems that more people dont like them =P oops, wrong link http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10297357-92.html [15:57] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@213.37.174.246.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:57] eviljames: check out the man page for synaptics [15:57] There are some crazy-cool things in tehre [15:57] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.33) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:57] hiptobecubic: I'll be sure to! [15:58] Alan_Hicks, are you a slackware developer too? [15:58] missyjane [15:58] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:59] hi Quiznos [15:59] missyjane: Why do you ask? [15:59] hi, fix your computer yet? [15:59] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) left irc: "screen->dtach" [15:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] freebse2 (n=freebse@78.52.221.77) joined ##slackware. [16:00] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1000:a:0:0:0:cf) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:00] Now i have to decide if I want circular scrolling.... i think i do. [16:00] Alan_Hicks, only curious [16:00] Quiznos, no, not sure what to type in for qemu [16:01] use the doc examples as template for your own cmd [16:01] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [16:01] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-81-162.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:323) joined ##slackware. [16:02] bah [16:02] what? [16:03] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:03] bah bah blacksheep [16:03] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Connection timed out [16:03] i saw a clip of HistoryChannel's retelling of the Blacksheep squadron; it's still a very good story. [16:04] also learned that Pappy wrote an autobio back in the 50s too [16:04] and that he even played one of the chars in the tv series about him [16:05] there was a blacksheep TV series back in the late 1970's 80's too [16:05] yea that one [16:05] John Larroquette started in that one, then did a part in _Night Court_ [16:06] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.44) joined ##slackware. [16:06] fire|bird, I've asked Camarade_Tux for a screenshot [16:06] i did watch the series [16:06] night court was funny [16:06] moks107 (n=shim@77.69.168.68) joined ##slackware. [16:06] when it was refresh [16:06] yeah, i seen it [16:06] what was the girl's name? [16:06] she was such a hottie [16:06] dive: ok, had you seen above what I put. All the colors seem to be correct, except the color when someone says my nick, it's still a peach-ish color. [16:07] the blonde DA? [16:07] yea [16:07] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] i forget her name but i know who you're talking about [16:07] bijit_ (i=1000@190.241.15.48) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:07] i should google her :) [16:07] fire|bird, hmm still a link to that screenshot? [16:07] hah! mmm [16:07] dive: Umm, not sure. sec. [16:08] oh! and finally, _The Odd Couple_ is findable via youTube!!! [16:08] dive: yeah, still have that link, but the colors are different (correct) now. sec. [16:08] people are beginning to put up clips and episoes [16:08] dive: Where can I find this irssi theme? I'll put it to the test as well... [16:08] ive been waiting years for OddCouple [16:08] eviljames, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi [16:08] to be on the web [16:09] eviljames, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi/electron.theme [16:09] and .png [16:09] brb [16:09] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:09] dive: http://imagebin.org/57668 [16:10] fire|bird, actually could you make a new screenshot please? [16:10] freebse2 (n=freebse@78.52.221.77) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] dive: just did ^^^^ [16:10] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] wb [16:10] shah thx [16:10] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:10] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:11] fire|bird, there are two things wrong there - not just the colour but aligment [16:11] whats the best way of duplicating a harddrive? [16:11] one sec and let me check [16:12] a 'clone' [16:12] dd if=/dev/sda of=dev/sdb ?? [16:12] acidchild very carefully; i use mc to copy trees [16:12] no, not that way [16:12] mc?!?! [16:12] yep [16:12] dive: Hmm, ok. [16:12] acidchild: dd if=/dev/sda of=some/file/here [16:12] if possible [16:13] that wont copy files [16:13] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:13] that'll cp a partition [16:13] not good [16:13] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [16:13] freebse (n=freebse@e176230120.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:13] Quiznos: He doesn't want to copy files - he explicitly stated a hard drive clone. [16:13] oops ok [16:13] indeed. [16:13] acidchild a partition? or wholedisk? [16:13] acidchild: As long as your filesystem supports arbitrarily large files, dd to a file first, disconnect the original drive, then dd to a new drive. [16:14] but, of course, you can't dd to a file that exists on sda [16:14] bah [16:14] Umm, what does it mean when I get a screen that has a different language on the laptop,as in like, 34000ema. Valori non corretti possono, configurare i, dispositivi:, and so on? :P [16:14] my mother got a letter by some lawyer [16:15] looks like my sister downloaded something [16:15] movg (n=movg@e179153168.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:15] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [16:15] slackytude more info? [16:15] slackytude: _WTF_ an RIAA lawyer? [16:15] srecko1 (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:15] 1.200 ? for an album from someone called rhiana "good girls gone bad" [16:15] slackytude: I thought those guys were explicitly told to stop going after file sharers? [16:15] Germany [16:15] oh, right, germany. [16:15] srecko1 (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [16:16] funny thing [16:16] srecko2 (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:16] I thought Germany had fair use laws already in place for end users downloading stuff? [16:16] eviljames: dd to img file then img file to disk should work right too? [16:16] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: "fui" [16:16] the lawyer is called Rasch. The evidence was gathered by a firm called "promedia". Guess who owns that? [16:16] Rasch ^-^ [16:16] nice trick [16:17] acidchild: yep, that's what I was advising.. the caveats are: you can't dd to a file on the device you're dding from and the destination filesystem has to support large files larger than the size of the drive (assuming the whole thing is nonzero) [16:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:17] eviljames, I have no clue. laws change too fast. Im pretty sure my family will vote pirate party now, tho [16:17] acidchild: otherwise, directly from one drive to another (if=sda of=sdb and DO NOT CONFUSE THEM) [16:17] srecko2 (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Client Quit [16:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Hewlett Packard makes terrible consumer laptops." [16:18] fire|bird, 'cd /etc/ && mv irssi.conf.new irssi.conf' please [16:18] er shut down irssi frst [16:18] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:18] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:18] dive: ok, sec. [16:19] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [16:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: "brb" [16:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:20] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] fire|bird, wb [16:20] thanks. [16:20] still peach color. :/ [16:20] any change? [16:20] acidchild: there's a way to monitor the process, if you ran, for example dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb& pid=$! then afterwards do watch -n 5 "kill -s USR1 $pid" [16:21] acidchild: dude! [16:21] acidchild: BUT caveat to that is macavity provided that advice to someone else in the channel, and I don't know enough about the various signals to tell you precisely what USR1 does :D [16:21] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-236-21.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] srecko (n=srecko@93-141-101-254.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [16:23] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] eviljames: its only 2GB [16:23] the harddrive [16:23] Dominian: hey hey :-) [16:23] oh, then do: dd if=/dev/[drive] of=some/arbitrary/file & pid=$! and use watch to examine its progress. [16:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:24] acidchild: will make as perfect of a copy as the drive can provide [16:24] yah well, it blows. i can't find my IDE to USB [16:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] pftt... [16:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:24] acidchild: what's new? [16:24] i think its a 'i threw it away but will pretend i have no idea what your talking about, so you don't get mad at me' kinda thing [16:25] uht oh [16:25] Dominian: converted one of my closets in to server closet ;D [16:25] hahah sweet [16:25] it has power ethernet and cable connectors inside the closet =) [16:25] cat6 to all parts of the apartment too :-) [16:26] awesome [16:26] the A/C unit is right next to the closet too, so adding a bit of A/C wont be hard. [16:26] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] xen-ify it! [16:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [16:27] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:27] Well you can adjust the synaptics settings by using hal policy files... but i can't seem to get it right. [16:28] hal is the devil [16:28] Dominian, why? [16:28] hiptobecubic: Because I have to be able to use my laptop... hal makes that impossible when it won't listen to my hal .fdi file for synaptics touchpad [16:29] Dominian, have you tried or are you just reflecting on my problem? [16:29] I've tried [16:29] Couldn't get it right [16:29] said to hell with it :) [16:29] :D [16:29] I want to see circular scrolling [16:29] and I don't think i want twofinger scrolling [16:30] country song lyrics; "i like my women alittle on the trashy side!" LOL roflmao [16:30] hiptobecubic: If you get circular scrolling working, please let me know :D [16:30] and I can't live without tap clicking. [16:30] put it on slackwiki [16:30] hiptobecubic what about HP making trashy lappies? :) (your tagline) [16:30] Quiznos, FACT. [16:30] and that is called Synchronicity [16:31] hiptobecubic tell a story [16:31] thats a cocktail waitress in a dolly parton wig lol [16:31] cuba33ci_ (n=cuba33ci@118-168-234-251.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] movg (n=movg@e179153168.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [16:31] ew ew ew; dead mouse found in can of pop [16:31] Action: Quiznos shudders [16:31] ew [16:31] dude [16:31] ho wlong has that pop been sittin' there? [16:32] lol [16:32] I mean.. really [16:32] it was new; local radio news story [16:32] eh [16:32] kid bout it at store [16:32] bought [16:32] About how thank god I bought the outrageous warranty because this is my fourth one in two years? They just stop working. No keyboard no touchpad no video, probably not booting at all, etc. And I bring it in and they say, ohhh yeah that model has been giving us trouble. here's another one, see you in 6 mos [16:32] bought one at a store... opened it.. had a mouse in it? [16:32] Action: Quiznos shudders [16:32] dear god [16:32] SUE! [16:32] Seriously, you'll get rich instantly [16:33] hiptobecubic lol; short and cinct; kool; now when ya gonna get a lenovo? :) [16:33] Dominian she might [16:33] Hell I would [16:33] talk about quality control = epic fail [16:33] Hell yes. [16:33] fine the you find a moose in a can and sue [16:33] bahaha [16:33] dude.. [16:34] if I find a moose in a can... [16:34] I'm taking pictures [16:34] i'm not your dood :) baha [16:34] ew [16:34] Quiznos: you said "moose" [16:34] and dude multi-gender [16:34] well at least in today's society it is [16:34] yep, aversion to mouse of every variety and manufacture (Even God) bahaha [16:34] are you invoking gender flip here in irc? [16:35] I SEE only bits, there is no gender in webspace [16:35] and 90% of lesbians are guys. [16:35] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [16:35] baha [16:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:35] wb dive [16:35] i just searched youtube for the original video of Trashy Women, its not there but there are about a million no-talent idiots that think they can sing and play the guitar doing it [16:35] lol [16:36] Dominian: http://protinuss.com/moose-in-your-swimming-pool/ [16:36] hah [16:36] fire|bird, think I have cured the alignment problem [16:36] finally, gettin windy down in florida, tunder storm approacheth too [16:36] almost [16:37] okay now i need to tackle sound [16:37] health bill vote sent to september [16:37] eviljames: hahaha [16:37] Chakravanti use a worm (tackle) [16:38] with a spinner [16:38] mmm tunder above me [16:38] fire|bird, reuploaded if you want to test. [16:38] io mean fix it [16:38] Dominian: WTF would you do if you walked into your back yard and saw that? [16:38] get it working [16:38] lol [16:38] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:39] bbq time [16:39] cooler breeze; yay! [16:39] xsamurai well done pls? [16:39] Action: Quiznos flips [16:39] Action: Quiznos oozes hot [16:39] eviljames: get my beer, call my buddy up that has a nice big shot gun, then fire up the bbq and have some moose burgers [16:39] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [16:40] mmm, meeeeeeeeet [16:40] i'm getting:device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) [16:40] The sound server will continue, using the null output device. 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[16:42] xsamurai: I have a semi automatic 6-shot 12g [16:42] With a modified stock to reduce weight..and some length adjustment [16:43] buy a copy of slackware get a free shotgun [16:43] what brand ? [16:43] Remington [16:43] what store? [16:43] beh [16:43] BestBuy? [16:43] WallyWorld? [16:43] wallmart [16:43] It's an older Remington [16:43] that's walmart [16:43] sorry quizno's i dont shop there, i can spell it however i want [16:43] lol [16:43] i just have a junky old 870 remington [16:44] I have other weapons, though [16:44] i hope he doesnt point to his pants [16:44] wtf [16:44] why cant i lspci [16:44] WWI/II German Mauser [16:44] dive: ok, I'll give it a test. [16:44] straterra: nice [16:44] a 1912 .22 [16:44] fire|bird, had to update my blackice theme too :/ [16:44] nice [16:44] from a company that died out like..80 years ago [16:45] Chakravanti, what seems to be the problem? Sound not working? [16:45] no it's not [16:45] how are you guys set for ammo? (i know it's a prob to acquire) [16:45] an old Colt .45 western style..a newer Rossi .38 Special.. [16:45] i'm getting:device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) [16:45] Chakravanti, just in kde? [16:45] The sound server will continue, using the null output device. [16:45] Quiznos: I'm no more than about 10miles from a military base :D [16:45] my Tek [16:45] i don't have another DE [16:45] Dominian they dont share [16:45] dive: alright, updated theme is set. :D [16:45] i mean...xfce comes standrd i think but i've not used it [16:46] Chakravanti, can you 'aplay' anything? [16:46] fire|bird: Ahhhh, am i not pink anymore? [16:46] fire|bird, dobedoobedooo [16:46] Quiznos: who said anything about sharing? [16:46] \o/, it works [16:46] bee bop a loo bop she's my girl [16:46] yeah you probably are but I tried to override it [16:46] bash-3.1$ aplay [16:46] Dominian infered [16:46] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [16:46] aplay: main:583: audio open error: No such file or directory [16:46] dive: thanks. [16:46] agentc0re|work: nope. :D [16:46] fire|bird, thanks (&^(&%£(%!$"#! for that [16:46] lol [16:46] haha [16:46] fire|bird: No peach? we all like peaches! [16:47] agentc0re|work: nope, no peach either. [16:47] dive: This is great now. :D [16:47] fire|bird: Peach hater! [16:47] fire|bird, I missed a line out but I have no idea why it worked for me.. [16:47] lol [16:47] agentc0re|work: hahahaha [16:47] fire|bird, I was thinking about an extended blackice theme with some different symbols [16:48] dive: cool [16:48] fire|bird: lets see a screeny of it. [16:48] fire|bird, since this is really a souped up neon [16:48] Chakravanti, tried echo "dsfhdfldshfds" > /dev/dsp ? [16:48] btw, kde will start in a window under blackbox [16:48] it did here [16:49] Chakravanti, does it click? or error? [16:49] agentc0re|work: http://imagebin.org/57671 [16:49] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [16:49] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] /dev/dsp Invalid Argument [16:50] fire|bird: weird, my nick gets cut off. [16:50] fire|bird, that's very light though - it's dark here and the colours are richer. [16:50] fire|bird: you're still cheating though, you're in runlevel 4 :P [16:50] agentc0re|work: :D [16:50] agentc0re|work: how's that cheating? [16:51] agentc0re|work, yes you have a long nick and I had to decide how long nicks should be displayed - I decided at 12 characters [16:51] fire|bird: you GUI user! :P [16:51] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] agentc0re|work: :O, and you're using pidgin how? :D [16:51] hwo do aplay my cdrom drive? [16:51] dive: ya, it's just this one for work... not that i probably would or even should denote that i am infact at work. [16:51] Chakravanti, ok can you http://pastebin.slackadelic.com 'lsmod | grep snd' [16:51] i mean, what do i use to reference the cdrom [16:51] Hi there. Is there any way of restoring deleted data from an external hdd in slackware? [16:52] define "reference"? [16:52] Chakravanti, you need a cd player [16:52] fire|bird: Hey, you're the one wanting to use irssi, not me :P heheh [16:52] Punker depends on the fs [16:52] Chakravanti, like kcd(?) [16:52] or whatever it's called [16:52] agentc0re|work: Hey, I'd been using pidgin, I switched to irssi to test dive's theme, which looks great imo, so..... :P [16:53] Chakravanti, usually in your cd software you put it as a device like /dev/hdc [16:53] agentc0re|work: and, what I meant, was if you're NOT a gui user, how're you using pidgin? :D [16:53] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/mNxK0d88.html [16:53] fire|bird, finch [16:54] dive: oh yeah, forgot about finch. :P [16:54] agentc0re|work: I rest my case. :P [16:54] fire|bird: OH heh. I'm not claiming not to be one. I just figure if you're using irssi it's because you are anti-gui... :P I know that's not true though, just teasing ya. I can't figure out irssi, i just don't have the patiences to. [16:54] I use irssi..in Vista [16:54] okay...idk how to start kcd from terminal [16:54] Chakravanti, have you run alsaconf (as root)? [16:54] agentc0re|work: irssi is easy to configure. [16:54] no [16:55] fire|bird: You're just smarter than me i guess. [16:55] Chakravanti, it matters not how you start the cd player cos you won;t get any sound [16:55] agentc0re|work: well duh. :P [16:55] Well Quiznos It's been using in windows so.. [16:55] no but i need to figure out how to run shit in terminal so i can get output [16:55] Punker so, ntfs? [16:55] Chakravanti, run 'alsaconf' then 'alsamixer' and adjust settings, then 'alsactl store' [16:55] yes Quiznos [16:55] and this terminal is crazy different than ubuntu [16:55] Punker (nick first for highlighting) [16:55] Well, I guess my laptop issues are back to the heat issue and whatever is causing that fan to quit. :/ [16:56] Chakravanti, run 'alsaconf' then 'alsamixer' and adjust settings, then 'alsactl store' [16:56] ^^^^ [16:56] okay [16:56] Quiznos, ok [16:56] doing now [16:56] Punker then you'll need ntfs specific tools first. that i dont know about [16:56] fire|bird: i've failed in windows and linux at using irssi.. I mean i've logged in and was able to chat.. I just didn't want to bother learning something new yet esp. when i don't have to. [16:56] agentc0re|work: lazy friggen.... :D [16:56] yeah i tried irssi like once [16:56] fire|bird: i know.. i know.. [16:56] Chakravanti, in alsa mixer you will pobably need unmute the levels with 'm' [16:56] but like gtk and xchat [16:56] agentc0re|work = FAILURE. :D [16:57] Action: agentc0re|work commits harry carry. [16:57] Linux: Alan Cox Quits As Linux TTY Maintainer -- "I've Had Enough" [16:57] harikari [16:57] I've never tried using irssi in Windows, but then I don't really ever use windows, and whenever this laptop gets fixed, it will have slack64 on it. [16:57] Pig_Pen no way [16:57] see i can't even commit "harikari" correctly. [16:57] i can't do anythingin alsamixer [16:57] http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/375 [16:57] agentc0re|work: see, FAILURE. :P I'm surprised you still have your job. [16:57] Chakravanti, use arrow keys [16:58] agentc0r bastage; kill a damn shadow :) [16:58] fallertsen (n=lupin@host163-19-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:58] fire|bird: we are a windows shop and i am a windows/linux admin so it's part of my daily life.. [16:58] nada [16:58] fire|bird: me too. [16:58] hmm [16:58] agentc0re|work: :P [16:58] okay [16:58] i got it now [16:58] ok good [16:58] agentc0re|work: How's the skydiving going? I seen some skydiving at the airshow I went to a few days ago. :D [16:59] but [16:59] fire|bird: Oh, i found my own rig and made an offer on it. so hopefully i'll have my own stuff here soon. [16:59] it's fucked up [16:59] agentc0re|work: awesome [16:59] Chakravanti, how? [16:59] it's only giving me management of my camera mic [16:59] which i havent even installed drivers for [16:59] fire|bird: Once i get it i'll post the pic's on my site and send ya a link. [16:59] well don't worry about mic yet [16:59] agentc0re|work: cool, thanks. [17:00] im not [17:00] lets try get some sound playing first [17:00] but i dont have anything else [17:00] agentc0re|work: I seen the skydivers, F22 Raptor, Blue Angels. :D [17:00] fire|bird: I think it's the cheapest i'm going to find esp. for how nice it is. $3k USD for it though.. [17:00] just camera capture and gain [17:00] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [17:00] fire|bird: that's cool. no crashes? [17:00] Chakravanti, ah press tab [17:00] no wait [17:00] agentc0re|work: no, thankfully. [17:00] not tab [17:00] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A75A06.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:00] agentc0re|work: I've been to four airshows now in the past few years. [17:01] fire|bird: were the skydivers wearing suits that looked like they had wings or just regular jumpsuits? [17:01] Chakravanti, ok exit alsamixer by pressing escape key, then do 'alsamixer -c 1' [17:01] thanks [17:01] Chakravanti, see any more controls? [17:02] fire|bird: blue angels . nice :) [17:02] yes [17:02] it works now [17:02] thank you =) [17:03] BP{k}: Hey so did you figure out all the back math for how long you've owned your sq ft. of land and how many dram's you are owed? [17:03] slackware is very different than ubuntu [17:03] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [17:03] LF4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: "rebooting" [17:03] and getting used to a different terminal is a little frustrating [17:03] ok good, you need to remember then that atm your camera is being seen as sound card 0 and sound card as card 1 [17:03] agentc0re|work: not that much. since I only had that bottle since last year november .. so up till november 2010 .. one wee dram :) [17:03] Chakravanti: check out http://slackbook.org it's a good read for just starting out with slackware. [17:03] yes i got that [17:04] thanks agentc0re [17:04] agentc0re|work: regular jumpsuits. [17:04] BP{k}: Oh you've collected already then. I didn't know that. did you finish that bottle yet? [17:04] Chakravanti, ok, do you have a .wav file or something you can play? [17:04] i mean..there are reason i'm switching and it not nearly as difficult as it was to come from windows [17:04] yeah sound works now [17:04] im playign acd [17:04] cd [17:04] BP{k}: yup. I've seen them twice and the Thunderbirds once. [17:04] fire|bird: did they pull pretty low? meaning could you see their body before they pulled the chute? [17:04] fire|bird: Now you just have to see the snowbirds [17:05] ok good, now the last thing is the 'alsactl store' command which will save settings and restore on boot [17:05] agentc0re|work: nah, they were way the heck up there. [17:05] thank you [17:05] yw [17:05] eviljames: yeah, especially when they do that one stunt I showed you the pic of. :P [17:05] why is my terminal so different? [17:05] just don't forget 'alsactl store' or you will need play with the mixer every boot [17:05] is there some way i could set it up to something im more familiar with [17:05] agentc0re|work: finished the bottle last week .. only lasted a half year or so. [17:05] one frustrating this is that it doesn't put out the directory im in [17:06] BP{k}: wow. [17:06] Chakravanti, you were on ubuntu? With gnome? [17:06] BP{k}: how many years = a bottle of rent? [17:06] yes [17:06] pwd [17:06] i'm using terminal emulator right now [17:06] fire|bird: nice. I seen the Thunderbirds once, Red Arrows, Patrouille de {France,Suisse}, Freche Tricolore etc too many times to recount :) [17:06] is Kterminal better? [17:06] s/Kterminal/konsole/ [17:06] Chakravanti, that will be your prompt string. In bash it's controlled by the PS1 variable. [17:07] Chakravanti, one sec and I will find one that hows dir [17:07] BP{k}: nice. I love airshows. The Raptor sure has some power and gosh that thing was LOUD. [17:07] louder than the Blue Angels (i.e. 6 F18 Hornets) :D [17:08] Chakravanti, PS1="\u@\h(\w) " [17:08] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8F41A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] i was feeling smart when i threw a whole bunch of razor blades and scaples in a plastic tub [17:08] i'm too scared to try and get the screw i want out from the bottom [17:08] Chakravanti, if you like that then put it in ~/.bashrc [17:08] acidchild: hahaha [17:09] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [17:09] y0 lf4 [17:09] Hey fire|bird :) [17:09] fire|bird: nice, I don't think a raptor has ever featured at a dutch airshow when I was there. Used to go all the time with my old man (VIP acess ftw) [17:10] http://imagebin.org/57576 <--- F22 Raptor, I took this pic. [17:10] thanks [17:10] i do like that [17:10] although you might want i to show if you're a user or root [17:10] BP{k}: There's only one pilot in the United States that can fly the Raptor at airshows, and this year, the raptor is only going to be at 3 shows and the one I seen was one of those 3. [17:11] isn't that what \u is for? [17:11] acidchild: make it a Halloween party thing where they have to stick their hand in the bucket to get the candy. When they see their blood tell them it's fake. :P [17:11] Thats cool fire|bird, how did it preform? Alright or Good? [17:11] http://imagebin.org/57675 fire|bird check these fonts [17:11] lf4: EXCELLENT tbh. Absolutely amazing. [17:12] hmm [17:12] i still seem to be getting some sound errors [17:12] Chakravanti, er yeah haha. I was thinking of the $ and # that get printed at the end ^^ [17:12] lf4: As one of the people that put this airshow together said, the Raptor does things it should not be able to do. [17:12] fire|bird: I have amazing pics of a flyby of a F-117 Nighthawk .. taking off the top a dutch comms truck ;) [17:12] agentc0re|work: :D [17:12] Chakravanti, what sort of errors? [17:12] I also got a closer picture of the Blue Angels Fat Albert plane. :D [17:12] flash won't play and i get the same device not found error when starting sound [17:12] fire|bird: Cool :) [17:13] acidchild: throw some lemon juice and salt in there too. [17:13] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:13] Error while initializing the sound driver: [17:13] device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) [17:13] The sound server will continue, using the null output device. [17:13] Chakravanti, ls /dev/dsp [17:13] BP{k}: hahaha, nice. [17:13] Chakravanti: are you in the audio group? [17:13] fallertsen (n=lupin@host163-19-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "leaving" [17:13] Chakravanti: Careful. use pastebin or you'll get kicked. [17:13] Pig_Pen: Do you have a script that you can set a user to highlight by name or do you manually change it each time? [17:13] Chakravanti, I think kde _might_ be seeing your camera as sound card [17:14] if you go into settings you can change device [17:14] Pig_Pen: Those fonts look really nice. [17:14] probably but it played the cd fine [17:14] thanks [17:14] lf4: in irssi, you can set it to highlight multiple different nick's. [17:14] unplug the camera and reboot without the camera [17:14] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:14] Did you guys see how TPB is being sued again, but this time by 10 major industry's? [17:15] where do i change those settings? [17:15] uva (i=bno@118-168-236-151.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Pig_Pen, what font is that? [17:15] im in control center but dont see where [17:15] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.44) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] fire|bird: a couple of guys from my unit (I was just out of the RNLAF by 6 months or so) were at that airshow. so they were okay for me to climb on top ;) [17:15] (on top of the truck to take pictures) [17:15] Chakravanti: Sound & Multimedia ? [17:16] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Chakravanti, kde 4 or 3.5? [17:16] BP{k}: cool. [17:16] if i owned the picatebay i would move where the law cant touch me, and spend my life sitting on the beach sipping a tasty cool drink while watching hawt chics play nekkid on the beach [17:16] 3.5 [17:16] I also seen a sailplane at this show too. [17:16] nothing in /dev/dsp [17:16] moks1071 (n=shim@82.194.43.166) joined ##slackware. [17:16] Pig_Pen: You're moving to China? ;) [17:17] yes sound & multimedia [17:17] dive that is Terminus normal (not bold) [17:17] Chakravanti: lack of /dev/dsp is no cause for concern (ALSA doesn't use it, except for compatibility with old apps that don't understand ALSA) [17:17] Pig_Pen: lol, and your wife? :P [17:17] im not used to using irssi [17:17] well [17:17] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75A06.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:17] i see the override device space [17:17] what are the default keys for tabbing between split screens? [17:17] but idk hoow to target my via [17:17] agentc0re|work: What is TPB being sued for I thought they were going to become legit? [17:18] icarus_: Alt+# [17:18] Chakravanti: I haven't scrolled back & read the entire conversation... have you tried running "alsaconf" to set up your card? [17:18] http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/1413203/The-Pirate-Bay-Is-Being-Sued-Again?from=rss [17:18] icarus_: Alt + Arrow keys is one way, otherwise Alt + # of window. [17:18] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-030-196.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:18] naw, there are lots of places in the carribian islands where the the corporate pigs of america have no pull [17:18] yeah he went through that with me Urchlay [17:18] ok [17:18] and sound works on the cd [17:18] I can't believe that - kde 3.5 doesn't have anywher to choose sound hardware [17:18] fire|bird: keeps the wife busy playing bingo [17:18] :) [17:18] If i were them, i'd just shut down TPB for a month or two and watch all the complaints come in. Probably even from the bigwigs because they rely on it but dont even know it. [17:19] Urchlay: No, everything is NOT ok. :D [17:19] lf4: fire|bird: i mean between split screens [17:19] up and down-ish, hah [17:19] Pig_Pen: The problem is with those island's some major corp could buy it out and then you are in trouble. :P [17:19] icarus_: if alt + numbers don't work for you, try escape + numbers instead (you don't hold down escape, just press/release) [17:19] icarus_: you mean you have irssi split into different screens? [17:19] those 10 industires arent even on the same continent [17:19] fire|bird: right [17:19] oh, split screens within irssi? no idea, never used them [17:19] dive: it does. one second. [17:20] icarus_: yeah, that works for me, Alt + arrows or Alt + # :) [17:20] i use C-S-n/p to go through windows [17:20] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl10-181-233.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:20] hurm [17:20] Action: BP{k} mostly use /win # [17:20] agentc0re|work, need be root for that? [17:21] icarus_: You will cycle through split windows using ALT+# as well. [17:21] Chakravanti: CD audio doesn't really need a driver (there's a cable going from the CD drive to the sound card that carries analog audio), so the fact that the CD audio works doesn't mean anything useful :( [17:21] dive: don't think so. I'm looking at the settings with just a user. [17:21] OH thats right [17:21] ive been using weechat for too long [17:21] im used to each window having its own text box [17:21] BP{k}: we can't all be as fast at typing as you are ;) [17:21] but irssi only has one [17:21] at the bottom [17:21] i gotcha [17:21] dive: Chakravanti; http://imagebin.org/57678 [17:21] yeah I think I've seen it [17:22] override device location [17:22] Chakravanti: have you got aplay to work yet? [17:22] agentc0re|work, yeah I knew that page but couldn't see where to set the card device [17:24] moks1071 (n=shim@82.194.43.166) left ##slackware. [17:25] Chakravanti, did you manage to aplay a .wav? [17:25] what program will recreate the /etc/asound.state ? Maybe remove it and then rerun the configuration program to select your card.. [17:25] .. damn i can't remember what creates that though.. [17:25] it might be better set up snd aliases for modprobe to pick the sound card as card 0 though [17:25] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:26] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [17:26] i cant get the terminal to navigate to the drive i have my music on [17:26] it's on my ubuntu HD [17:26] perhaps it's not mounted [17:27] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.44) joined ##slackware. [17:27] i can navigate there with Konquerer [17:27] alsactl -store will agentc0re|work [17:27] but not with terminal [17:27] probably not using the right commands [17:27] or directory format [17:27] i tried: cd system:/media/hdb6/home/dkwhit/Music/ [17:27] can you go there with konq and copy a .wav to home directory perhaps? [17:27] and without the system: [17:28] Pig_Pen: I'm thinking of something else. It brings up a ncurses menu and probes for your sndcard which you can choose from a list if it finds multiple. [17:28] alsaconf [17:28] agentc0re|work, alsaconf [17:28] but it doens't work that well with two devices [17:28] ah yes. that one. [17:28] alsaconf -c n [17:29] indeed that would be better [17:29] Camarade_Tux, ? [17:30] who was it that said that Chakravanti's webcam was being identified as a sound card? sounds crazy to me, but taken with a grain of salt i would suggest to Chakravanti to unplug the webcam & reboot without the webcam and see what you get for sound support, it wont be the first time some flakey piece of hardware got in the way [17:30] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:30] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/1925224/Alan-Cox-Quits-As-Linux-TTY-Maintainer-mdash-Ive-Had-Enough?from=rss OH snap! [17:30] i want to beat my keyboard on the wall [17:30] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:30] Pig_Pen, it's in alsamixer [17:30] i put it on my desktop [17:31] yeah and i gotta ge tthe camera working sooner or later anyway [17:31] Chakravanti: ... [17:31] patience [17:31] agentc0re|work: SNAP! indeed! [17:31] aplay wouldnt recognise file name or whatever [17:31] one step at a time [17:31] so i renamed it [17:31] now i the terminal doesnt see that i renamed it [17:31] Chakravanti: Does mount show anything mounted in /media? [17:31] it sees the old name when i dir [17:31] honestly, I think this is PEBKAC [17:32] yes [17:32] shows everything it should [17:32] antiwire, he's new to slack [17:32] but in /dev/ not media [17:32] you renamed it to? [17:32] uva_ (i=bno@118-168-233-27.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:32] no [17:32] and dir is ls [17:32] because i tab filled the name of the audio file [17:32] Chakravanti: pastebin us the output of 'mount' and fdisk -l [17:32] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [17:32] that's a lowercase L [17:32] eviljames: Yes, this should be interesting. [17:32] kk [17:33] agentc0re|work: it appears lkml.org is slashdotted atm [17:33] antiwire, he doesn't have a probelem with mounts (yet) we are trying to get his sound working ;) [17:33] who here is from norway [17:33] alienBOB ? [17:33] moks107 (n=shim@77.69.168.68) left irc: Connection timed out [17:33] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] dive: he was complaining about dirs and /media... [17:33] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [17:33] look in the buffer [17:33] scroll up a few pages ;p [17:33] http://www.pastebin.org/5154 [17:33] yeah you look too [17:33] one thing at a time [17:34] antiwire, I read it the irst time [17:34] Chakravanti: ls -alh /ubuntu [17:34] do that [17:34] http://www.pastebin.org/5155 [17:35] that looks liek it should antiwire [17:35] with my directory of ubuntu [17:35] that's where hda6 is mounted right now [17:36] so use /ubuntu instad of /media/hda6/ [17:36] makes sense [17:36] tyvm [17:36] Chakravanti: that has the stuff you're looking for in it, right? [17:36] k, you're welcome ;) [17:37] Chakravanti: just use 'mount' to check your mount points [17:37] yes [17:37] it's still not recognising the file with aplay [17:37] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [17:37] aplay: main:583: audio open error: No such file or directory [17:38] this is where dive was helping you now [17:38] Chakravanti, that's like cos alsa is trying to play it through your camera [17:38] lol [17:38] alsa is like that [17:38] haha [17:38] okay....so how do i change the default device? [17:38] your pictures might sound like floyd though [17:38] mancha: I can see the music!! omgz [17:39] i can think of some Sergent Hartman quotes [17:39] brb coffeee [17:39] i see the place where i can specfify a device but not sure how to target my audio card [17:39] OH snap again! http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/205207/P2P-Network-Exposes-Obamas-Safehouse-Location?from=rss [17:39] synesthesia [17:39] why'd you move away from ubuntu (just curious) [17:39] this day keeps getting better and better.. [17:39] i'm not moving away from it [17:39] just trying different things to see what I'm most comfortable with [17:39] and ubuntu is rather script heavy [17:40] and it automatically generates my updates and interferes with stuff im doing now [17:40] christian (i=590d15a6@gateway/web/freenode/x-csyaxazmgnttdvtk) joined ##slackware. [17:40] they didnt used to do that and it's REALLY annoying [17:40] hello [17:41] yeah that does sound annoying [17:41] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] okay so how do i list my devices? [17:42] zkillerz (n=sdfsdf@189.172.128.90) left ##slackware. [17:42] lspci doenst work here [17:42] i'm not sure how to target my sound card [17:42] agentc0re|work: WTF since when does slashdot have anything interesting?! :P [17:42] Chakravanti: /sbin/lspci ? [17:42] with 'override device location' [17:43] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:44] Chakravanti, no [17:44] do it a better way [17:44] ? [17:44] k [17:44] can you do 'cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound' [17:45] and see which device is listed [17:45] alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx [17:45] alias sound-slot-0 snd-via82xx [17:46] let me just check you lsmod again - one sec [17:46] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [17:47] Chakravanti, can you pastebin the lspci command please [17:47] http://www.pastebin.org/5158 [17:47] url [17:47] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [17:47] ops [17:48] I take it your camera is usb? [17:49] or is it one of these laptops with a built in one? [17:49] usb [17:49] it's a desktop [17:50] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [17:51] ity's all muted again [17:51] see you ppl :) [17:51] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@187.37.48.81) left irc: "buh" [17:51] how do i make it unmute [17:51] well according to what you got from the sound file the sound card should be card 0, but alsa thinks different [17:51] i did it before but i open alsamixer again and it's muted agian [17:51] christian (i=590d15a6@gateway/web/freenode/x-csyaxazmgnttdvtk) left ##slackware. [17:51] 'm' for mute/unmute [17:51] yeah but how do i make it STICK [17:51] set the levels and do alsactl store [17:52] it shoudl stick unless some program is changing it [17:52] alsactl store [17:52] hwo do i do that [17:52] theres no command line [17:52] run it in a terminal [17:53] after setting levels, escape out and do it [17:53] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:53] command not found [17:53] >.> [17:53] as root [17:53] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left ##slackware. [17:53] are you using that usb webcam right now? no? remove the damn thing and set it aside until you actually have a need for it [17:54] welll im not using it RIGHT NOW [17:54] but i will be once i fix this [17:55] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] might be the easiest thing [17:55] so...that seems more like ignoring the problem than fixing [17:55] whats the problem with the camera? [17:55] jonsmith1982, its showing in alsamixer as card 0, kde sound don't work etc [17:56] aplay bla [17:56] but in /etc/modprobe.d/sound the sound card is card 0 [17:56] strange. [17:56] so wth [17:56] dunno. I have two cards in one of my boxes and that was easy enough to set up [17:57] but this is mixed up [17:57] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Chakravanti, when you ran alsaconf it detected your sound card, right, but did it go on to detect the camera too? [17:59] it picks up some legacy non-upnp device [17:59] when i try to redirect audio via jackd, my cpu temp goes up to 170 degrees F [18:00] first or second? [18:00] Probe Legacy ISA (non-PnP) Chips [18:00] second [18:01] and did it find anythng? [18:01] tha'ts what it found [18:01] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [18:04] it's wierd cuz i dont have naything like that i dont think [18:04] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:05] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:05] Chakravanti, try using the override device checkbox in kcontrol and setting it to hw:0,1, then restart sound system [18:05] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl10-181-233.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [18:06] then test on the system notification page with one of the notfiers [18:06] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [18:06] Chakravanti, erm that should be hw:0,1 no secod comma [18:07] and if that doesn't work try hw:1,0 [18:07] (camera explodes) [18:07] Ka-Ching [18:07] MUSIC [18:08] TYVM [18:08] =) [18:08] yw [18:08] now the problem is that you will need to set that in probably every non-kde app.. [18:08] audacious etc [18:08] like firefox? [18:08] flash player... [18:09] no sound in youtube [18:09] I'm not sure about ff - I thought it wa still using oss : /dev/dsp [18:09] ls /dev/dsp [18:09] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [18:09] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:10] /dev/dsp [18:10] nothing [18:10] but I don't know how you would set the sound device for flash, unless rightclick options [18:10] nothing what? [18:10] no sound? [18:10] nothing in /dev/dsp [18:10] but does it exist [18:10] it's a device node [18:11] nope [18:11] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:11] not a directory [18:11] ah [18:13] is there a file in /dev named dsp [18:13] no cush file or directory? [18:13] such* [18:13] ls -l /dev/dsp* [18:14] i have a /dev/dsp it is just a device node in /dev [18:14] crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2009-07-29 14:49 /dev/dsp [18:14] crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 19 2009-07-29 14:49 /dev/dsp1 [18:14] from ls - /dev/dsp* [18:14] ok but you don't have dsp0 [18:14] ls -l [18:14] nope [18:14] seems not [18:15] well you have dsp but I suspect that alsa is forcing it to point at camera again [18:15] so try 'echo jhdsljdhsahds > /dev/dsp1' [18:15] does it click? [18:16] it doesnt return anythihng [18:16] speakers don't click or crackle? [18:16] it clicked [18:16] i had to tunr it up [18:16] ok [18:17] maybe i should reinstall flash? [18:18] have you check what gets said about your sound card, by googling its pci-id? [18:18] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:19] no the problem is that flash is using /dev/dsp and we need to get it to use /dev/dsp1 [18:19] also see if that webcam causes problems on Linux [18:19] i don't have any problems in ubuntu [18:19] parabyte (n=parabyte@88.97.1.123) joined ##slackware. [18:19] you could try running firefox with artswrapper : 'artswrapper firefox' then checkout youtube again [18:19] it does have some problems but it never interfered when i was in ubuntu [18:20] best thing to do when struggling with hardware imo [18:21] Chakravanti, does 'artswrapper firefox' start up, or error? [18:21] i'm getting the same error tryign to do that as i was before [18:21] which is? [18:21] in sound [18:21] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:21] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [18:21] Error while initializing the sound driver: [18:21] device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory [18:21] sound driver couldnt be bla bla? [18:21] yeah [18:22] in system settings again try setting the sound demon to arts and restarting it [18:22] what was it set to anyway? [18:22] Chakravanti: Has nobody mentioned asound.conf yet? [18:22] s/nobody/anybody/ [18:22] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [18:23] Baconizer: Your nick reminds me of how hungry I am. [18:23] nobody [18:23] noe [18:23] Chakravanti: Sorry, I haven't been paying attention (you know, doing the whole work thing..) [18:23] eviljames: I am sorry :< [18:23] Chakravanti: If I asked you to sum up the issue in 100 words or less, would that be too much trouble? :D [18:23] until he smelt the bacon [18:24] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.44) left irc: [18:24] i dont see thisn option for demon [18:24] did you guys catch the /. about Alan Cos (maintainer of the kernel TTY system) walking away? [18:24] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/1925224/Alan-Cox-Quits-As-Linux-TTY-Maintainer-mdash-Ive-Had-Enough [18:24] slackytude2: yeah, been reading the lkml stuff via google groups [18:24] yup, Cox flew the coop [18:24] 'select the audio device' [18:24] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:25] well right now alsa has my camera mic as default device (or something idk) and the right card as device 1 and everything keeps flaking out because it's not pointing to the right device [18:25] eviljames, Pig_Pen what are your thoughts on that? [18:25] dropdown box [18:25] slackytude2: I don't know enough about ttys to say who is 'technically correct' (the best KIND of correct), but I'd expect he would know by now that Linus is more than a little rough around the edges [18:25] anyone have adaptec 2420SA sataII controller ? [18:25] i got a few KDE apps to work by forcing it to the right device and i can play some mp3s [18:25] but of course...no flash sound [18:25] in firefore [18:25] slackytude2: and, typically, I can respect that because (again, typically) Linus ends up being correct. [18:25] firefox [18:26] Chakravanti: 12.2 or current? [18:26] i think the Linux kernel will survive without Cox, but i am sure he will be missed by his co-workers [18:26] what's in the 'select the audio device' box? [18:26] whats it set to? [18:26] 12.2 [18:26] alsa [18:27] set it to arts [18:27] restart again [18:27] no such option [18:27] You want him to set the arts daemon to use the arts sound server? It doesn't work that way. [18:27] someday even Linus will want to retire, find a boat and go fishing or something, heck i look forward to retiring so bad now i daydream about it almost everyday [18:27] ah right missed that [18:27] Pig_Pen, you need a vacation [18:28] wait. Cox is retiring? [18:28] cant afford a vacation [18:28] amazon10x, aye [18:28] Pig_Pen, sorry to hear that, mate [18:28] he quit the kernel dev team he did the tty stuff [18:28] Pig_Pen: bummer. what do you do? [18:29] man, I rember patching my kernel with the cox! [18:29] construction/carpentry i do finish interier trim for a company that builds apartment blocks [18:29] eviljames, the problem is that alsa oss is using /dev/dsp1 for sound card and /dev/dsp for his camera [18:29] therefore no sound in flash [18:29] dive: The solution then is to set them statically in either udev and/or asound.conf [18:29] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [18:29] and artswrapper giving errors [18:29] Pig_Pen: how'd you not end up in a nerdy job? [18:30] eviljames, yes but it doesn' show in lsmod [18:30] well there is usb snd [18:30] http://www.pastebin.org/5171 [18:30] well, I hope linux doesnt go down with cox going. I already know what the next topic on linux haters blogis going to deep [18:30] and the card, and in /etc/modprobe.d/sound the card _is_ listed as card 0 [18:30] i dont get paid by the hour, i get paid by the footage, so i dont even work 8 hour days, i do my quota and call it a day after about 6 or 7 hours sometimes half a day on good days [18:30] you could fix it with udev surely? [18:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [18:31] jonsmith1982: I think asound.conf is the proper response here. [18:31] Jeez, I keep telling the wrong people. [18:31] Chakravanti: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/.asoundrc <- this link has some details about asoundrc and asound.conf [18:32] ty [18:32] Chakravanti: I don't remember *precisely* how I had done this, but I faced off against a similar situation with an onboard sound card that wouldn't get disabled in the bios and a creative labs card I installed. [18:32] Pig_Pen: oh that's pretty awesome. having a real, concrete amount of work to get done is nice [18:32] Chakravanti: I DO know that I resolved it via /etc/asound.conf [18:32] anyway, I need to sleep [18:32] sometimes yes [18:32] see ya later slackers [18:32] slackytude2: later dude [18:32] eviljames, it is usually easier to set card aliases up in /etc/modprobe.d/sound [18:32] Action: quasar belches [18:32] let me illucdate [18:32] Pig_Pen, have a goodnight and enjoy your daydreams ^-^ [18:33] yeah, take care slackytude2 [18:33] yeah [18:33] dive: dive please, do. [18:33] that was the other reason i started checking out slackware [18:33] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p54A75A06.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] does anyone here have a logitech dinovo keyboard? [18:34] eviljames, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/FW9aSf88.html [18:34] Being a slacker just sound so much cooler than any thing else i heard [18:34] lol [18:34] Chakravanti: Certainly better than being called a ubuntard! :P [18:34] Chakravanti, yea.. takes a lot to get to my level [18:34] unless that involves ur local security routines [18:34] so cool everyone hates on me [18:34] jeev: I feel your pain, man. [18:34] ubuntard heh [18:35] jeev: except s/cool/smart/ [18:35] eviljames, did you see that shti ? [18:35] ood one [18:35] i linked you [18:35] lol [18:35] jeev: Haven't checked yet, sfw? [18:35] nsfw [18:35] bah, check when I get home then. [18:35] but its hilarious and sick [18:35] you two sharing goat pr0n now? [18:35] dive: Ah, yes. That IS a good solution.. but is it right for 12.2? [18:36] eviljames, I have 12.2 [18:36] antiwire, if that's what you call candid photos of you [18:36] is there no basic text editoing gui? [18:36] antiwire: Goats are so 90's dude. We've moved on to octopus...octopii...octomom... something..? [18:36] just vim? [18:36] that would be hairless goat pr0n then [18:36] Chakravanti: gvim [18:36] kkty [18:36] Chakravanti: kate, kwrite ... [18:36] nasty octomom [18:37] antiwire, the problem is we only know the module name for the sound card cos the camera is using usb audio for the mic and I've no idea what to put for an alias... [18:37] link me jeev [18:37] jesus yoy goat lovers, get a life and move on to bigger things... [18:37] horses [18:38] Chakravanti: Can you pastebin the output of aplay -L ? [18:38] Chakravanti: or if you already have, can you link me :D [18:38] dive: hahah, elephant [18:39] http://www.pastebin.org/5174 [18:39] see it wants to use my frikin camera for everything [18:39] Indeed, it does. [18:40] So, what (at lesat my opinion) we want to do is tell alsa that no matter what the default is the V8235 card. It _should_ do the rest :D [18:40] I wonder if we just called it snd-usb-audio and see if that works [18:40] parabyte (n=parabyte@88.97.1.123) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:40] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-2-151.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] by using this.asoundrc? [18:41] drijen (n=drijen@pool-71-96-2-151.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:41] i'm reading it a bit [18:41] i should be able to put something together [18:41] no by putting it in /etc/modprobe.d/sound [18:41] Chakravanti, well it's a good read [18:41] it should have when i ran alsaconf no? [18:42] i'm prolly gonna have to work with it anyway to get this camera and mic working [18:42] later [18:42] Chakravanti, the problem is alsaconf didn't put in your camera for some reason [18:42] I just had a thought [18:42] one sec [18:42] share with us [18:43] dive: I'm intersted to hear it, too. [18:43] Considering that I predict I'll be facing off against this issue pretty soon when I want to set up a disgustingly bad multi-in system :D [18:43] can you link me again to the pastebin of cat /etc/modprobe.d/sound please [18:43] seem to have lost it [18:43] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:44] CmdLnKid_ (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [18:44] http://www.pastebin.org/5175 [18:44] thanks [18:44] ok try changing the 0's to 1's [18:45] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-95-236.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] skibur (n=skibur@adsl-66-142-95-236.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:45] and then you will need to unload all sound modules and reload them which is tricky.. [18:45] Also [18:45] options snd-card-0 index=0 [18:45] options snd-card-1 index=1 [18:45] ooookay... [18:46] yes that would probably help [18:46] well after that it might just be faster to reboot than unload all the snd modules, unless anyone knows a better way? [18:47] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] brb [18:47] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3Zp6dsWWFI [18:47] beautiful [18:47] i told him a better way but he dont like it [18:47] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:48] now how do i reload? [18:48] Pig_Pen: what was the better way? [18:48] indeed [18:49] unplug the camera? [18:49] remve the webcam and reboot without it [18:49] better is a relative term [18:50] it might work [18:50] but then i dont have a webcam >.> [18:50] Chakravanti, you need to unload _all_ the snd modules, and then modprobe them, but they won't be easy to do cos they all depend on each other. You can try do it manually, or perhaps just reboot. [18:50] Action: eviljames votes for reboot [18:50] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.12.209) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:50] be carefull with those sharp/pointy things, you'll put an eye out [18:51] with webcam plugged in. [18:51] sounds good [18:51] brb [18:51] It'll be a decent test anyhow. [18:51] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] eviljames, btw I updated that theme if you want to grab it again. I fixed the problem with it. [18:51] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.234.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] and also updated blackice theme [18:52] dive: cool, i'll check it out. [18:52] still dunno where he was getting peach from [18:52] but whatever [18:54] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:54] Chakravanti, wb [18:54] dive: well, at least the peach is gone now. :P [18:55] good [18:55] nada [18:55] hang on [18:55] Chakravanti, have a test of kde sounds and flash [18:55] had to turn of the manual thing we did early [18:56] music! [18:56] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:56] macavity (n=root@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:56] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:57] ok, who runs fglrx on -current_ [18:57] yeah I thought you might [18:57] questionmark [18:57] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:57] i have youtube! [18:57] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) left irc: Client Quit [18:57] ok nice [18:57] see now Pig_Pen that wasn't so hard [18:57] and system sounds? [18:57] uh probably [18:57] Chakravanti: woohoo! [18:57] haven't heard on yet [18:57] one [18:58] Chakravanti: Was it the modprobe aliases? [18:58] If so, I'll have to buy dive a beer :D [18:58] yeah [18:58] you spent about 2 hours with it, a 1 minute reboot without the webcam would have sufficed [18:58] Chakravanti, well if in kde control it starts playing music that usually means yes [18:58] i added those two line and change the two 0 to 1's [18:58] dive: Well, sir, if we cross paths, I'll buy you a cold one. [18:58] flash in firefox works [18:58] eviljames, thanks, and thanks for the extra 2 lines I forgot ;-) [18:59] Pig_Pen: but this way he can leave the webcam plugged in all the time. [18:59] obligatory moan about xorg: updated to current and it suddenly stops autodetecting my mousepad's taps, so i have to edit xorg.conf to specify the synaptics driver and the mouse taps. and now my separate scroll wheel doesn't work, but at least the mousepad now includes one. okay. breath out. i feel purged now. [18:59] yeah _don't_ touch anything now lol [18:59] yesyes: We just talked about that today, actually.. I think the default xorg behaviour has been to assume ps2 mouse for synaptics - though I could very easily be wrong about that. [19:00] take notes and save them for future references [19:00] yesyes: well, without xorg.conf, does synaptics make side-scrolling work ? [19:00] for me, no [19:00] I need an xorg with synaptics driver and options to enabled any extra stuff for my touch pad [19:00] Chakravanti, you might want to make a backup of that file: /etc/modprobe.d/sound [19:00] xorg.conf* [19:01] Chakravanti, just in case [19:01] yeah i will be [19:01] antiwire: you shouldn't, since the psmouse.conf got updated (post RC1) [19:01] ok, i'll retest [19:02] antiwire: that is, the line in psmouse.conf is commented out now ;) [19:02] yeah [19:02] well i've learned a LOT today and fully fixed one major issue [19:02] You Slackers rock! [19:02] yw [19:02] thrice`: sidescrolling? without synaptics, the inbuilt scroll whell didnt work. when i specified imps/2 as the protocol the separate one did, though. but not when i specify synaptics. still, i can live with what it's like now, as synaptics seems to include on in the mousepad. [19:02] if you're ever in my neck of the woods i'll pop you a brewskie or a rool ya a fat one [19:03] whatever your social DOC is =P [19:03] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] macavity (n=root@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [19:03] k :-) [19:03] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [19:03] i'm a good cook too [19:03] yesyes: ah; my point was, the defaults to synaptics are pretty bare; you can stick something like this: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Advanced_configuration [19:04] i'm gonna make some chili and salsa within a month when these tomatos are done [19:04] got a bunch of jalapenos growing too [19:04] to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [19:04] actually, see the more basic example: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Configuration_via_HAL_policy_.28hotplugging_enabled.2C_recommended.29 [19:04] i think i'm gonna make a jalapeno chicken & cilantro pizza [19:05] sounds frikin good [19:05] thrice`: ah, okay. i didn't ask for a scrollwhell. it just included it. the only thing i did was to set "TapButton1" "1". And FastTap. It's all good now. [19:05] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] yesyes: well, my question about side-scrolling was just to see if it was working by default [19:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-227.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:06] yesyes: eg, that the synaptics driver was actually being used [19:08] Action: dive is probably gonna have this problem too [19:08] Dominian, breakthrough! Checkout man synclient [19:09] oh haha, you're all already discussing the touchpad [19:09] now you can see what im watching on youtube [19:09] man synaptics tells you a lot about the settings and defaults, which can be changed with synclient [19:09] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XrRyqses5U [19:10] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:10] Protocols of the elders of Zion by Rav Shmuel [19:10] it's hilarious [19:10] someone knows if slackbuilds in 13.0 will include a slackbuild for make slackware multilib? [19:11] s/for/to [19:12] arch seems to be still going strong. liking to their excellent wiki reminded me. i'd probably be still using it if their packages didn't go to shit after the guy who created it stepped down. [19:13] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:13] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] s/liking/linking ! [19:13] don't know about strong, but they are still active it seems ;) [19:13] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] artv61 (n=art@u1018430.ul.warwick.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:15] well, i'm going to fall asleep and dream about xorg dying and natalie portman becoming a linux user and creating its replacement. goodnight. [19:16] or the barmaid i saw in the pub earlier. oh, #slackware, if i could only make you understand. beautiful, she was. [19:16] Those are great dreams! [19:16] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] wats xorg?? [19:16] Dominian: quote ;) [19:16] Action: dive stabs quasar [19:17] :( [19:17] t0f (n=foo@dialup-4.238.133.234.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [19:17] xorg is a not-for-profit porn film studio [19:17] the internet is for porn! [19:17] pig pr0n at that [19:19] Action: quasar goes back to fiddling with ipv6 [19:20] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.87.248) joined ##slackware. [19:21] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:22] rockyrock (n=rockyroc@90.153.154.109) joined ##slackware. [19:22] hi guys, do you consider ubuntu users as newbies? [19:22] if yes, why? [19:22] I don't want to discuss it, I just want to hear opinions [19:22] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:22] obvious troll is obvious... [19:23] ceiling cat is watching you [19:23] rockyrock: no, we consider newbiews like newbies. $CLUE carries more weight that $PREVIOUSDISTRO/OS [19:23] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [19:23] rockyrock: nope, while there are alot of clueless ubuntu users, I know just as many who are smarter than myself [19:25] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:25] thrice`: do you know any programming language? [19:25] myself? not a single one, no. [19:26] How does knowing a programming language determine "newbie" status? [19:26] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:26] maybe some crappy bash scripting that can count to a 100 and play a sound [19:26] bash is a programming language... [19:27] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] at the end of the day anyone using any sort of linux is a positive thing imo and we all start off as newbies.. [19:27] bash is a sexy scripting language [19:27] bash is demented [19:27] bash is shell scripting. If he meant programming as in write it and compile it, bash doesn't count. [19:28] If he mean any language that one can use to do things then yeah, it counts [19:28] oh, I haven't yet touched my bash today. [19:28] bah, interpreted or compiled, the act of programming is essentially the same. [19:28] qbasic ftw. [19:28] well, it gets a little more complex when you have to link in libs and stuff [19:29] just because it starts with "q" [19:29] rockyrock: of course, we are curious: why do you ask? :) [19:29] dive: and manage memory [19:29] antiwire, yeah and that [19:29] much different approach [19:29] Nick change: IrquiM_ -> IrquiM [19:29] rhetoric is a programming language too. [19:29] but we digress... [19:29] and does lolcode count? I know a line or two of it.. [19:29] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:30] neuro_sys: is that supposed to be a pop shot or are you realling talking about a language named rhetoric? [19:30] something inbetween. [19:30] thrice`: Just to know the overall impression about Ubuntu users from other distro users in which these other distros are known to be only for hackers [19:30] i slack, ergo i hack [19:30] lol now look whos stereotyping [19:30] define "hacker" [19:30] this guy is beyond Obvious troll status [19:30] btw, it would make a great name for a computer language indeed. [19:31] dont' let the crap fool you, there is no such thing as a "hackers" distro [19:31] Remember if your son is using an operating system called 'Linux', me may very well be a hacker [19:31] I think Ubuntu is the one distro that most windows users have actually heard of so maybe that's the one that most people new to linux will start of with. [19:31] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] hackers and turn your computer into a bomb. [19:31] srsly. [19:31] in moon, 'and' means 'can' [19:31] http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/threatlevel/images/2007/07/25/computer_bomb.jpg [19:32] stig: hey thanks for that, maybe you can follow me around and fix my typos everywhere [19:32] i was looking at distrowatch the other day, just for the sheer backwardsness of the act, and lo and behold i found a new one, mint linux. [19:32] antiwire: sure thing [19:32] quasar: Hacker = Someone who plays with code ;) [19:32] but i'll need all your passwords [19:32] mint ain't that new though [19:32] hacker == someone who penetrates. [19:32] and not necessarily evil [19:33] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [19:33] rockyrock: I disagree. [19:33] aka hacker vs cracker [19:33] well, this channel is about to go to hell for the next hour or two. [19:33] Hacker = someone who causes an engineered device to do something other than what it was engineered to do. [19:33] eviljames: then you are wrong [19:33] rockyrock: No, sir, read my definition first. [19:33] rockyrock: see eviljames' reply [19:33] looked like it was aiming at ubuntu territory, windows-like ease of use. i'd try it, and may do one day, but i guess i'll always want to get my fingers lodged in with linux's wires, and slackware always seems to make that easier. [19:33] rockyrock: by your definition, slackware provides no advantage over ubuntu [19:34] surely you can just as easily download code and click on "gedit" ? [19:34] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [19:34] ubuntu is going to buy out Pat, were getting SlackBuntu [19:34] runs [19:34] hacking is also used to denote the act of breaking into systems. even by people who very, very well know all the definitions of "hacking" [19:34] oh :-( are we entering into a serious discussion with him? [19:34] Pig_Pen: we're already halfway there... slapt-get much?! [19:34] everyday [19:34] stig: That CAN BE one type of hack, sure. [19:35] that said, i dont disagree with your definition in the slightest, eviljames [19:35] rockyrock: If I remember correctly, Linus uses Fedora. Can you explain what that means in our little context? [19:35] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [19:35] stig: but "Hacking" certainly cannot contain every time a malicious person enters a system. [19:35] linus is a n00b though [19:35] eviljames: not at all [19:35] stig: heh, so we agree again! :D [19:35] ok, activated swap, now I can make a 1.5GB tmpfs and put the gcc sources there :) [19:35] eviljames: very much [19:36] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:36] eviljames: if someone gets hold of the password hashes of an account and cracks them and uses it to log into a box unauthorized, i wouldnt call that hacking [19:36] i bet Linus has a computer room with several different distros on at least 4 or 6 desktops and a couple of laptops [19:36] of just a fedora machine [19:36] stig: Or acquires it via the post-it note on a desk, or reading keystrokes over shoulder, or any social engineering, etc. etc. [19:36] however, if zf0 hacks a box by whatever means and makes apache show that server's private key (aka a defacement), i'd say that site got hacked [19:36] rockyrock, just out of interest what is the popular image of slackware users amongst the ubuntu crowd? [19:36] with gnome [19:36] dive: gods! [19:37] you would have to be pretty dense to think Linus owns only one computer [19:37] Pig_Pen, he has a windows rig for gaming I bet ;-) [19:37] dive: Slackware users are generally defined to be evil BOFH who scream RTFM at n00bs. They are something to be pheared and revered, and NEVER to be f-d with :D [19:37] rockyrock: keep in mind, people like Linus use fedora [19:37] it's all about preference [19:37] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [19:37] possibly [19:38] dive: we're like the alpha males. all the secret female linux users yearn for our affection. men want to be us, and women want to be with us. that kind of thing. [19:38] that's probably less about preference and more about "well, it's what i've always used" [19:38] yesyes: agreed. [19:38] dive: people who torture themselves ? [19:38] oh, someone already said that [19:38] lol [19:38] 1.7GB tmpfs, that's 85% of my ram... [19:38] Camarade_Tux: buy some more, ram is cheap. [19:38] eviljames: laptop [19:38] ah [19:38] sucks =/ [19:39] I'll probably buy a desktop only because of that [19:39] yea, mine is at 2gb too. :/ [19:39] my laptop is just not enough to devel [19:39] comrad, KGB doesn't give you a new computer weekly ? [19:39] wonder what the ratio or user / contributors is for each distro. [19:39] earlier today, I was using a debian machine that was much faster [19:39] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.182.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:39] is for* [19:39] turned out it didn't have flex at first though... compiling gcc was doomed to fail [19:39] i'll try that again... [19:40] Action: rockyrock interestingly made #slackware so active :) [19:40] lol [19:40] wonder what the ratio is for user / contributors for each distro. [19:40] jeev: no, they told us: new computers or new chicks every week [19:40] k, bbl [19:40] I went for chicks [19:40] you're just some troll making the channel active with trollish mayhem. [19:40] rockyrock: nope, not you :) [19:40] the channel isn't even *very* active ;) [19:41] comrad, i didn't think you rolled that way [19:41] antiwire: never discussed anything [19:41] heh should have been here earlier when the claws were out ;-) [19:42] you joined ##slackware and six seconds later put ubuntu and newbies into the same sentence... [19:42] what the hell do you think will happen? [19:42] josefig (n=josefig@201.164.87.248) left irc: Client Quit [19:42] bah, I spent one minute on another channel and there's only five lines of text here? pfff, slow channel [19:42] Camarade_Tux, type more then ;p [19:43] Camarade_Tux: you're not going to attempt suicide again are you? you burnt out the motor in the ceiling fan the other day :p [19:43] antiwire: I asked normal question. Only trying to get feedback. You would have called me a troll if I discussed the issue with you. After all I won't continue this with you, trying not to be a troll ;) [19:44] quasar: dunno, being hung at the fan was pretty cool, it's really hot here =/ [19:44] rockyrock: You know damn well what you were doing. [19:44] jonsmith1982, but how could we find out? [19:45] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-30-62-88.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [19:45] jonsmith1982, actually I'd love to know how the distros are organised with developers etc. [19:46] how big a team and such [19:46] package maintainers aren't always developers... and that's a problem [19:46] Action: Camarade_Tux typing more to please dive ;) [19:46] so Kpackage works like synaptic? or how is it different? [19:47] rockyrock: most all the slackware users in here are not interested in ubuntu, they find its user-friendly handholding to be a limitation and annoying [19:47] Action: yesyes strokes slackpkg [19:47] steiger_ (n=steiger@20150130216.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:47] so beautiful [19:47] hello guys [19:47] Chakravanti, I never managed to get it to do anything useful. Try slackpkg. [19:47] Chakravanti, and have a go at some slackbuild scripts from slackbuilds.org [19:47] i need boost headers [19:47] if anyone is still having problems with intel 3d acceleration (black glxgears, opengl not working), the problem is with Mesa 7.4.x . Upgrading to Mesa 7.5 fix most (if not all) the problems [19:48] cool thanks for the info [19:48] steiger_: You've tested this on how many different systems and graphics chipsets? [19:48] i think i read a slack blog saying something similar [19:49] mcbane42 (n=nick@160-9-178-69.static.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] antiwire: i've found that info on google, and i tested it only in one machine. but it is VERY likely that the problem is with Mesa [19:49] Chakravanti, the boost package will (should) have the headers included. [19:49] Action: yesyes is surprised glxgears and dri is enabled for him by default. [19:49] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [19:50] i was looking forward to about 15 minutes of scratching my head and editing config files :( [19:50] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@hbge-216-37-227-223.dsl.hbge.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] Chakravanti, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/boost/ [19:50] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:50] antiwire: intel acceleration got screwed after current's last upgrade, that upgraded X11, mesa, intel drivers, and the kernel. i've tried every intel driver avaliable, with no luck. after downloading mesa 7.5 and building a txz, it worked flawlessly [19:50] im there already [19:51] k [19:51] but how do i use this package [19:51] there's a howto you should read first [19:51] okay [19:51] yeah i do have system sounds btw....how do i shut them off? lol jk [19:51] it's not a package but it contains the script to build the package from the source in the download linl [19:51] rofl k [19:52] steiger_: I can assure you that for certain chipsets, that is not the only issue. [19:52] where's this howto? [19:52] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:52] slacbuilds.org/howto [19:52] There are quite a few people in here who have been testing the graphics stack on a lot of different hardware and not all chipsets work, even with mesa 7.5 packages. [19:53] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [19:53] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] now i need a toolbar shortcut to minimize all windows [19:58] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:58] Action: rockyrock is surprised that Google uses Celeron CPUs! [19:59] steiger__ (n=psteiger@20150130216.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:59] steiger_ (n=steiger@20150130216.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:59] Action: rockyrock thought Google uses a lot of IBM super computers [19:59] so.. yes, mesa is the problem. [20:00] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-197-147.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:00] (530): You're not pinnochio. Lying isn't going to make it bigger. [20:01] ... [20:01] anyone know how to create this? [20:01] I thought there was already one? [20:02] nope [20:02] perhaps you need rightclick and see if you can add it? Dunno don't use kde much. [20:02] i need htop too >.> [20:02] ark is going nutsack on me [20:02] im starting to hate it [20:02] bobJR_ (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] i hated it last time i tried it with kubuntu [20:02] i really like gnome [20:02] i have no idea what the difference really is [20:03] but everything looks and feels like shit [20:03] i mean..i can fix visual flaws and such but that's not really what i mean [20:03] Chakravanti, did you do a full install? [20:03] yes [20:04] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.198) joined ##slackware. [20:04] have you ever tried xfce? [20:04] mcbane42 (n=nick@160-9-178-69.static.gci.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:04] yes [20:04] i hated it more [20:04] lol k [20:04] in xubuntu [20:04] half the stuff i normally used wasnt there [20:04] then only resort is a tiling wm [20:04] well if you ever want to swap de's run 'xwmconfig' (in runlevel 3 anyway) and choose a desktop [20:04] i mean [20:04] i feel like an ass [20:04] dissing kde [20:05] because i have no clue what the real difference is [20:05] and if it's not just the programs i use [20:05] what is it you dislike? [20:05] all the k programs i'm trying to use feel like shit [20:06] compared to what? [20:06] what i use in ubuntu [20:06] then use ubuntu. there's no shame in that. use what is comfortable and makes you happy [20:07] yeah but see [20:07] idk if it's just cuz im used to using certain programs [20:07] eat that! "checking the maximum length of command line arguments... 3458764513820540925" :D [20:07] or if kde is jacked [20:07] Chakravanti: it could be that you're not used to certain programs. everything takes some getting used to [20:07] or i just need to go get the progs im familiar with [20:07] that's what im thinking [20:08] Action: dive sends Camarade_Tux a 3458764513820540926 character buffer overflow [20:08] . [20:08] bobJR_ (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:08] i want to stick it out and see whats up but...well idk really [20:08] maybe i'm just bitching about nothing [20:08] or rather [20:08] i don't know what im bitching about [20:08] lol [20:08] Chakravanti, just give it a try for a while, and we don't all use kde. [20:08] that's the first thing you need to figure out [20:09] dive, sorry, your connection sucks and doesn't upload at more than 2KB/s, might take a while before it overflows :P [20:09] eww [20:09] that is a bad conection [20:09] you might find that the progs in xfce are different to what you have in xubuntu [20:09] i didnt use xubuntu [20:09] bobJR_ (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:09] i installed it and went looking for my normal apps and functionality [20:09] and there are a lot of apps on SBo [20:09] a note of rule is that graphical programs are usually written with gtk or qt library [20:10] ended up installing a bunch of gnome shit to do so [20:10] they'll have a different look and behaviour [20:10] some of us actualy use the command line for everything O.0 even surfing the internet and email (scary girl scream goes here) [20:10] but in essence a cat is a cat [20:10] despite its color or size [20:10] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-153-124-150.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:10] yeah i mean [20:10] yeah I use cli more than anything else [20:10] what is the REAL difference between them? [20:10] Nick change: bobJR_ -> bobJR [20:10] and fluxbox [20:11] Chakravanti: the underlaying code [20:11] of course [20:11] but i mean pracitcally [20:11] nothing [20:11] well some gtk apps are better than the qt counterparts and vice versa [20:11] The real difference is that each WM approaches user interface tasks from a different point of view. [20:11] gnome is gtk? [20:11] yes [20:11] so is xfce [20:12] hmm [20:12] kde = qt [20:12] i like gtk apps [20:12] The only decent way to figure that those differences is to use them to see what you like. [20:12] maybe ill try xfce for a while [20:12] xfce > gnome [20:12] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-160-68.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] how od i change default desktop manager? [20:13] yeah I prefer gtk apps more than qt, with maybe the exception of kile, kpd and qbittorrent [20:13] i mean [20:13] at the very least [20:13] xwmconfig [20:13] I'll just install gnome into slackware [20:13] then choose [20:13] dive don't forget k3b [20:13] :P [20:13] ktorrent is cool [20:14] Chakravanti: personally i like to stick to gtk-only apps in a gtk desktop environment [20:14] kdegames package has solitare ;p [20:14] yeah that too, although I've been testing graveman for a few days. [20:14] stig - i think that's where i'd like to end up [20:14] Chakravanti: and qt only apps in a qt environment [20:14] gtk only [20:14] speaking of WMs and DEs. LXDE? any good? [20:15] lxde is nice [20:15] Pig_Pen, ktorrent kept dropping connections to seeds when I tried it [20:15] amazon10x i've heard good things about LXDE. very minimalist [20:15] qbittorrent is vastly superior imo [20:15] very minimalist, very umm whats the word [20:15] unused? [20:15] very minimalist yet very featurefull [20:15] brb [20:16] hmm, never noticed that, i used it a few times and it did ok, i did find i liked transmission better because the gtk interface was uncluttered with unused features [20:16] Chakravanti: you might like lxde with lxfm or whatever the file manager is called [20:16] i used it once and was very happy [20:16] Pig_Pen, yeah I need try transmission more [20:16] i liked thunar [20:16] mldonkey rocks everything :) [20:16] brb [20:16] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] hmm [20:17] that didnt work [20:17] brb [20:17] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] transmission also has a command line interface = transmissioncli [20:17] Chakravanti, have you heard of pcmanfm? Very similar to thunar but has tabs [20:17] . [20:18] dive: maybe thats the one i was refering to as lxfm [20:18] it looks like there isn't a slackbuild for lxde [20:18] most likely [20:18] v4nelle (n=van@78-99-37.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:18] it's the default one in lxde [20:18] pcmanfm rings a bell [20:18] maybe i recall they wanting to rewrite it and rename it as lxfm [20:19] they was interested into making the 'lx' stuff into a suite [20:19] were [20:19] are [20:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [20:19] is [20:21] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:21] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:21] and I don't know if you guys saw earlier, I made a slackbuild for parcellite today, which is a lite clipboard manager for people not running xfce or kde: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds [20:21] been using it a few weeks now flawlessly [20:22] does it use the taskbar? :D [20:22] great for fluxbox [20:22] i've always wanted a clipboard where i can do like ctrl+c+1 for buffer 1 and ctrl+c+2 for buffer 2 or something [20:22] Camarade_Tux, I'll use your taskbar in a minute :> [20:22] basically, multiple copies or something [20:22] Action: Camarade_Tux won't start firefox before a while: compiling cross-gcc in tmpfs [20:22] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] Camarade_Tux: how many cores do you have on the job? [20:22] yes [20:22] has anybody heard about the Java kernel? [20:22] amazon10x, it supports hotkeys [20:22] i like this much better [20:23] it feel smoother [20:23] Chakravanti: you'll want pcmanfm and lxpanel [20:23] Chakravanti, how powerful is your cpu? [20:23] amazon10x: one :D [20:23] if i do a tar, it will put symlinks in there as symlinks, right? [20:23] 1ghz [20:24] Camarade_Tux: distcc. get all your machines on it [20:24] right so quite light then [20:24] amazon10x: I only have one :D [20:24] Chakravanti: err what are you using now? [20:24] we should setup a little list of nodes on here to share for compiling [20:24] have two cores though ;) [20:24] xfce would be better with that spec, and fluxbox even smoother I wuld have thought [20:24] xfce [20:24] raw openbox :D [20:24] Chakravanti: if my brain doesnt fail me, i had a fully functional desktop environment claiming around 5 MB of ram. lxde, lxpanel and pcmanfm [20:24] i have plenty of ram [20:25] wow, with a different hdd, this laptop's been running over an hour now. The hdd isn't the problem though, I still think it's that fan. [20:25] 2gb i think [20:25] stig, got a slackbuild for lxde? [20:25] if i do a tar, it will put symlinks in there as symlinks, right? [20:25] dive: nein, this was back when i was using archlinux [20:25] stig, ever thought about maiking one? [20:25] making* [20:25] dive: I had made a slackbuild for that, not sure if I still have it though. [20:26] dive: i would definitly do it if i was using lxde. but right now i dont even have a slackware install anywhere. im just hanging here until my education is over [20:26] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:26] stig: what're you using? [20:26] amazon10x: mac os x [20:26] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:26] amazon10x: on this macbook. got a dell with windows xp, and a server with ubuntu-server [20:26] fuck [20:26] put slack on the macbook [20:26] and on the xp box [20:27] and the server [20:27] haha [20:27] hehe [20:27] i will be putting slackware on the dell [20:27] and use a tiling wm [20:27] AWesome [20:27] ion3 [20:27] ratpoison [20:27] awesome sucks imo [20:28] i think will be using xmonad [20:28] rockyrock (n=rockyroc@90.153.154.109) left ##slackware. [20:28] anyways once that laptop is running slackware it'll mostly be used for development [20:28] and i like tiling wms best for that [20:28] stig, lxde website is down mate. [20:28] dive: yeah i noticed that too [20:28] what is tiling? [20:29] Chakravanti: something really interesting :) conventional DEs arrange windows in waht is known as 'floating' mode [20:29] GTK needs to get better. [20:29] the most %&^%" confusing desktop system ever [20:29] windows floats on top on the desktop [20:29] and you alt tab between them [20:29] k [20:29] in a tiling wm, all created windows are put into a predetermined "slot" [20:29] so everything is neat [20:29] dive: lol, ++ [20:29] tiling isn't bad [20:29] and they scale automatically [20:30] s/bad/good/ :D [20:30] yeah but some windows need to be smaller and some bigger [20:30] although they are tiling, there are options to make certain windows float [20:30] or all of them [20:30] or none [20:30] I tile by hand (the difference is that I don't resize windows, I keep them 80x24) [20:30] dive: :P, I guess I didn't make a lxde slackbuild, alienBOB has one already. :D [20:31] how do you manage the visual disparity between some apps that need more screen space? [20:31] Chakravanti: its quite an interesting experience trying out a tiling wm [20:31] fire|bird, yeah but site is down = no source (unless it's on sf.net) [20:31] Chakravanti: you resize them [20:31] macavity (n=root@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:31] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:31] Chakravanti: http://awesome.naquadah.org/images/screen.png [20:31] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-174-100-128-195.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] rworkman: ping [20:32] umz (n=umz@116.71.28.85) joined ##slackware. [20:32] where is the question mark on the US keyboard *questionmark* [20:32] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Chakravanti: http://haskell.org/sitewiki/images/8/80/Screen-rob-dzen.png [20:32] macavity: shift + - [20:32] hmm [20:32] i like no mouse needed... [20:32] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:32] dive: http://sourceforge.net/projects/lxde/ [20:33] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] ah thanks [20:33] paissad-hp (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:33] hmm [20:33] Chakravanti: you'll have to adjust the way you "use the computer" a little bit [20:33] paissad-server (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] i'm going to check this out [20:33] yeah [20:33] i've no stranger to that [20:33] having grown up since DOS through every windows, to ubuntu, and now slackware [20:33] neuro_sys (n=neuro_sy@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: [20:34] Chakravanti: give it a go and dont be afraid to put some windows into floating mode [20:34] sloppy focus is good too if you have a laptop and a touchpad [20:34] paissad-server (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:34] i just installed slackware12.2 and I am unable to fine Knemo in my KDE [20:34] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:34] i like having a copmuter that has a completely aline interface to most people [20:34] any idea any1? [20:34] alien [20:34] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:34] the idea of it anyway [20:35] hehe you'll be Klingon with a tiling wm then [20:35] keeps idiots and their grubby little fingers off my shit [20:35] Chakravanti, i was asking abt Knemo its installed i did from slack build as well [20:35] stig: thx :-) [20:35] hernan (n=hmedelli@189.152.11.185) joined ##slackware. [20:35] Chakravanti: its perfect for laptops with crappy touchpads like all other non-macbooks [20:35] ??? :P [20:35] but whereis unable to find knemo [20:36] good night gals :) [20:36] night Camarade_Tux [20:36] i had a greatway with an AWESOME touchpad [20:36] macavity: lol [20:36] macavity: haha [20:36] finding nemo [20:36] wor those of you who havent: http://www.linuxquestions.org:80/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ [20:36] only problem was the scroll pad that acted like a mouse wheel and wasn't supported in ubuntu [20:36] go go go :P [20:36] van_ (n=van@78-63-121.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [20:36] no no no [20:37] hernan (n=hmedelli@189.152.11.185) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [20:37] Chakravanti: multitouch + OS capable of using its features is a good touchpad [20:37] dhakan salla [20:37] lol [20:37] i mean..the scroll thing worked but the line where it crossed over ot the mouspad was off for some reason [20:37] so if you moved your finger too far to the right it started scrolling on you [20:38] Chakravanti: i scroll with 2 fingers, skip back and forth in applications like file manager and browser with 3, change windows like alt-tab with 4, rotate pictures and resize them by either twisting 2 fingers or dragging them closer or apart diagonally [20:38] about 4cm from the actual physical ridge [20:38] i think it was a driver bug [20:38] bizzzzzack! [20:38] but other than that it was the best touchpad i've ever used [20:38] macavity: Is that just if you have intel chips or for anybody in current? [20:38] eviljames: laptop's been running this whole time. :D [20:38] macavity: catch my latest report? [20:38] fire|bird: wooo! Freezing it has done the trick? [20:39] eviljames: Well, not sure, but it's been running, so that's a start anyway. [20:39] freezing? [20:39] eviljames: and, this is with a different hdd that doesn't crap out with BSOD's [20:39] dive: I set it near an A/C vent. :P\ [20:39] that's cheating [20:40] AHHHHH CRAP, it froze now. CPU was at 106F [20:40] I spoke too soon. :( [20:40] that's what you get for putting it in your lap, hot stuff! [20:40] birdged networking with KVM is rad [20:40] did you reheatsink compound it? [20:40] eviljames: hahahaha [20:40] dive: not yet. [20:40] 106F isn't that hot [20:41] 41C [20:41] whats that in C? [20:41] that's damn cool then [20:41] I bet this is around 45C normal running temp [20:41] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:41] straterra: no, it was alot hotter before, not saying that's what caused it to freeze, but something is. [20:41] goes up to near 90 when compiling crap [20:41] s/90/80 perhaps [20:42] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] The screen is still just sitting there, but mouse and keyboard are unresponsive. [20:42] my laptop was 69 a few minutes ago btw [20:42] (ok, I was compiling gcc, but only with one core) [20:42] happy birthday! [20:42] The keyboard feels warm though. [20:43] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:43] Camarade_Tux, trust you to bring up _that_ number [20:43] oh and it's been 37C today, I guess that doesn't really help [20:43] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:43] dive: :D [20:43] well, the song is over, really night now [20:43] nn [20:44] eviljames: you're a sissi :) [20:44] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] Camarade_Tux: have a good night - it's 33C here and the sun is shining brightly. [20:44] Dinde (i=kayser@sur-internet.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] Action: eviljames ' balcony has morning sun, afternoon shade. [20:44] eviljames: i.e. a perfect balcony. :) [20:45] Chakravanti: here's a video of how it looks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&hl=en-GB&v=LN4Ov6ZLcrI [20:45] Ugh, now a hal.dll missing error. :/ [20:45] Action: Camarade_Tux doesn't see the morning sun nor the afternoon shade for he stays in bed with a beautiful girl [20:45] not on a saturday morning when I want to sit outside on the lappy! lately it has been 30C and UP from 10am onwards. [20:45] bah, I should go to bed right now, I'm dreaming awake :D [20:45] Camarade_Tux: pic of the girl or it isn't true. [20:45] fire|bird: I can't google now because I don't want to start firefox, it'd kill the machin [20:46] Hey, man, if he has a lifesized poster with strategically placed holes, perhaps it's good enough! [20:46] e [20:46] hahaha [20:46] :D [20:46] it may be as close as he ever gets, after all. [20:46] Camarade_Tux: Ah, you have to google, then it isn't true then. :D [20:46] Camarade_Tux: one's you have to use an air pump on do not count. [20:46] about firefox, I have 220MB of ram left although I have 9 xterms opened and two gvims :D [20:47] 220 is plenty for a _good_ browser [20:47] ARGH [20:47] my sound is gone again [20:47] Action: eviljames ducks & runs [20:47] Action: Chakravanti bangs keyboard on forehead [20:47] Chakravanti: did you save your alsamixer configuration? [20:47] fire|bird: and if it's from a magazine rather than google, is it better? :D [20:47] yeah [20:47] let me check [20:47] anyway, really going to bed now ;) [20:47] Camarade_Tux: nope. :) [20:47] van_ (n=van@78-63-121.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:47] Camarade_Tux: good night. :) [20:47] eviljames: it's firefox! [20:48] Camarade_Tux: he ran away, don't bother. :P [20:48] yeah it's not muted [20:48] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0412.bb.online.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:48] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:48] oh, I actually have 350MB left [20:48] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] btw, I have lots of tabs opened in firefox currently ;) [20:48] dont you use swap? [20:49] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:49] ok, ^Ad^D and echo 3 > /proc/acpi/sleep [20:49] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [20:49] swap? [20:49] kill -9 Camarade_Tux [20:49] stig: yeah but I prefer not to use it too much [20:49] o [20:49] (I'll use it soon anyway) [20:49] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] fire|bird: can't you just -SIGSTOP me so I go to sleep? ;) [20:49] Camarade_Tux: nope, wouldn't work. :) [20:49] try ;) [20:50] Camarade_Tux: I did, it failed, so I kill -9'd you. [20:50] fire|bird: have you seen the batch of tests that i have done_ [20:50] ? [20:50] fire|bird: so I die, night ;) [20:50] macavity: I know you've been doing a bunch of testing, hadn't really seen all what you've done though, no. [20:51] Chakravanti: sorry i cant help you with the sound problem [20:51] Camarade_Tux: no worries, I'll wake you up again. :) [20:51] su -c "mv Camarade_Tux /dev/null" :D [20:51] fire|bird: three radeons just landed in my lap :p [20:52] macavity: :O, I have a Radeon Xpress 200m in this laptop if I could get the thing working. 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[20:56] dive: reason i didnt have slackware on the server was because lilo would whine and pant and not boot if i didnt have my keyboard and gfx card plugged in. and so i didnt want to fix that shit while i could just install another distro that worked out of the box and ... served [20:56] right [20:57] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:58] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:58] dive [20:58] yo [20:59] you can think of any reason sound would stop working after i switched to xfce [20:59] ? [20:59] pretty much same problem... [20:59] fire|bird: i called in a few favors.. tommorow the x800 arrives, so if i am lucky i can post info on that one before Pat gives his descition in all of this [20:59] hmm [20:59] stig, and it's not hard to change the bootloader lol [20:59] it's like our old workaround stopped working around [20:59] strange [20:59] macavity: Those are some darn nice favors. :) [21:00] did you ever get aplay to work? [21:00] i didn't try it [21:00] I do believe lilo runs on my system without a keyboard or GPU >_> [21:00] NthDegree: wanna do it for me while i spend my time elsewhere? :D [21:00] but i did get stuff playing [21:00] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [21:00] see if it does work with that .wav [21:00] or see the error if not [21:00] fire|bird: they arent mine now.. people just pulled them out from whatever they were in, and dropped by with them so i could test them [21:01] if disabling it on the BIOS counts and needing to memorize keystrokes to re-enable it counts [21:01] fire|bird: so far the X300 seems like a bloody damn nice card if you just need "rudimentry 3D support@ [21:01] nope [21:01] any error or just no sound? [21:01] $ aplay carnivalofsouls.mp3 [21:01] ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:1008:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave [21:01] aplay: main:583: audio open error: No such file or directory [21:01] macavity: cool. [21:01] stig, erm... if it's x86-based then GRUB is easy to install... if not then there's other loaders [21:02] I mean how hard is grub-install /dev/sda ? [21:02] Chakravanti, 'ps ux | grep -v grep | grep artsd' [21:02] what's that supposed to do? [21:02] any output from it? [21:02] no [21:02] ok [21:03] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:03] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [21:03] does sound work again if you go back into kde? [21:03] i'll try it [21:03] what do i use to startx in kde? [21:03] startx /usr/bin/startkde [21:04] xwmconfig and then startx [21:04] IIRC [21:04] ah right true [21:04] yeah i dont want to change default [21:04] brb [21:04] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:05] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:05] nope [21:06] hmmmm [21:06] when you do alsamixer and alsamixer -c 1 do they still show camera first and sound card with -c 1? [21:06] yes [21:07] and that file /etc/modprobe.d/sound hasn't changed? [21:07] and aplay -L output is the same? [21:07] modprobe.d/sound is the same [21:08] http://www.pastebin.org/5194 [21:08] that's the aplay -L output [21:08] looks the same as far as i can tell [21:08] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.78) joined ##slackware. [21:10] i must have done stupid shit [21:10] but i didn't change anything [21:10] Chakravanti, what was the aplay command you tried? [21:10] 'aplay somefile.wav'? [21:10] yeah [21:10] mp3 [21:10] but yeah [21:11] ah aplay will not play mp3 [21:11] that's why I said a .wav [21:11] oh [21:11] still [21:12] im not getting shit from anything else [21:12] and getting those errors [21:12] about the wrong device basicaly [21:12] what about flash in firefox? that stopped too? [21:12] from other programs [21:12] yup[ [21:12] you didn't uplug camera or something? [21:12] unplug [21:13] strangeness [21:13] nope [21:13] the other workaround works [21:13] for kde aps [21:13] try 'echo dsalkdhsadkjshdsa > /dev/dsp' and dsp1 [21:13] hw:1,0 [21:14] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [21:14] but for some reason our change to modprobe.d/sound stopped working [21:14] Chakravanti, yeah you will probably have to put that in other programs too [21:14] try 'echo dsalkdhsadkjshdsa > /dev/dsp' and dsp1 [21:14] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [21:14] dsp1 still click? [21:15] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] 1 clicks [21:15] yup [21:15] dsp is invalid argument [21:15] yeah thats ok [21:15] can you do a 'lsmod | grep snd' and pastebin it again? [21:16] http://www.pastebin.org/5198 [21:17] are you loading the oss modules on purpose? [21:17] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:17] looks pretty much as it was before if mememory serves [21:17] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:17] and spelling [21:18] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [21:18] no [21:19] to ooss mod [21:19] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] ok, what was the output of lspci for the devices, lsusb for these devices, and aplay -L? [21:19] Chakravanti, have you rebooted since it was working? [21:19] yes [21:20] ah [21:20] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:20] lsusb/lspci dont work [21:20] Hey guys [21:20] one of those things that's been pissing me off [21:20] Chakravanti: hahah, that sucks. [21:20] command not found [21:20] oh wait [21:20] Chakravanti, ? really, even after su - [21:20] i gota make it path [21:20] su - [21:21] http://www.pastebin.org/5201 [21:21] I'm having some trouble with xorg.conf. nvidia-settings cannot write the file so everytime X restarts I have to adjust the resolution. [21:21] http://www.pastebin.org/5202 [21:22] Orion7, why can't nvidia-settings write to the FS? [21:22] Orion7: use nvidia-xconfig (as root) [21:23] i should have done this before i rand out of weed [21:23] Action: Chakravanti scrapes pipe furiously [21:23] I'm guessing because xorg.conf was created by nvidia-xconfig as root [21:23] again.. [21:23] lol [21:23] it should be able to either write to the xorg.conf directly, or if you don't have perms it can write to a file in $HOME and you just need to tell it to read that on login [21:23] http://pastebin.com/d1df4af05 Orion scroll to the bottom and look where i put my resolution and do yours with the resolution you want [21:24] edman007: what about if I just write it to home and copy it to /etc/X11 as root? [21:25] Chakravanti, ok gonna try something: you have backup of /etc/modprobe.d/sound, run alsaconf again so i finds your card, then copy the backup sound file back, alsactl store [21:25] yarvin (n=yarvin@65.201.122.34) joined ##slackware. [21:25] ah also check with alsamixer that everthing is set right before the alsactl store [21:26] Well I hope I can because I just did, brb [21:26] ll [21:26] kk [21:26] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:26] Orion7, that works [21:26] :( [21:26] always running away... [21:26] Action: edman007 goes nuts trying to figure out a MySQL DB problem [21:27] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [21:27] hmm.. to Compiz or not to Compiz.. that is the question. [21:28] compiz if you can do it without too many problems (if you game a lot, don't do it) [21:28] dont game at all on that computer, actually got a windows box for gaming lol [21:29] quasar: just go for KDE4 :P [21:29] hey guys [21:29] macavity: I'm moving away from KDE.. Akonadi annoys me [21:29] 'ello [21:29] CrYpTo1 (n=CrYpTo@ip68-224-51-177.lv.lv.cox.net) left ##slackware. [21:30] ARGH *beats terminal with keyboard* [21:30] quasar, akonadi needs shooting [21:30] Action: edman007 waves [21:30] quasar: Akonadi? i have only seen that thing speak if i log in to X as root [21:30] Chakravanti, what? [21:30] or else, just turn it off.. [21:31] i can execute a goddamn half decent text editor to save my life [21:31] i REALLY hate vim [21:31] even gvim [21:31] k, try nano [21:31] some gay ass fucky shit [21:31] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [21:31] joe or nany? [21:31] nano even :P [21:31] Chakravanti: mcedit. [21:32] elvis [21:32] emacs! [21:32] Chakravanti: pico ftw. [21:32] nano > pico [21:32] kate > * [21:32] whatever happened to JUST TEXT [21:32] Dominian: lol [21:32] vim > kate > * [21:32] MS-WORD!!! [21:32] pff nano .. BAH. [21:32] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [21:32] COPY CON ! [21:32] edline [21:32] kate won't even execute [21:32] quasar: OPENSOURCE ftw [21:32] dive: sure.. i saw you signature on QL.org [21:33] pico is NOT opensource [21:33] macavity, heh [21:33] Dominian: that is not a strong case for vi :P [21:33] how is pico not opensource? [21:33] Dominian: huh? [21:33] macavity: no.. I just hate vi [21:33] eviljames: Look at the licensing [21:33] we've had this discussin before [21:33] crap beer kicking in [21:33] Dominian: it is now. with pine -> alpine move. at least AFAIK [21:33] im in the midst of third try but version 2 of lfs guys, interesting [21:33] ahhh oh yeah [21:33] Action: Dominian forgot about that apline crap [21:33] cmon no more editor wars... [21:34] pebkac [21:34] Dominian: heh, haven't seen that before :D [21:34] pen and paper! [21:34] here's some pebkac for oyu [21:34] Action: Chakravanti chucks keyboard through moniter [21:34] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] ouch [21:34] eviljames: beer.. blame the beer! [21:34] please, tell me it was the volume control! [21:34] Dominian: having a cold sleeman's atm! [21:34] Dominian: i think that it has been fixed [21:34] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [21:34] okay [21:34] it's been done [21:34] Dominian: with "alpine' [21:34] brb [21:34] ok [21:34] Well that xorg.conf problem is fixed, thanks! [21:35] macavity: yah [21:35] what where u going [21:35] ? [21:35] i still prefer nano [21:35] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:35] Dominian: the al part being Alternative License [21:35] try aplay a .wav [21:35] Dominian: i prefer nano now too, I guess. I mean, I preferred nano before, but I do now, too. [21:35] hehe [21:37] eviljames: so what you are trying to say is that you prefere nano? [21:37] no. he's trying to say he prefered it before, but now he does too [21:37] macavity: that's the central message, the gist of it really. If there was one thing to take away from this discussion, it was that nano is my preference. [21:38] I just added myself to a group, do I need to restart anything for changed to take effect? [21:38] changes* [21:38] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] Orion7, log out of X, console and back in again [21:38] thx [21:38] okay [21:38] now it works [21:38] brb testing xfce [21:38] what did you do? reboot? [21:38] yeah [21:39] well [21:39] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:39] eviljames: thank you.. it was not initially clear to me :P [21:39] i redid alsa and then redid that modprobe.d/sound [21:39] then rebooted [21:39] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.10) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:39] hm im still disappointed how i cant installed slackware 12.2 [21:40] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] hey... that gives me an idea... [21:40] i got qemu working, i can install -current right? [21:40] missyjane, ideas will get you in trouble [21:40] missyjane, yes [21:40] shush <3 i will succeed [21:40] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] can i install -current and assume that if it worked on the virtual environment,m that it will work here? [21:40] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] Action: dive crosses fingers that sound still works [21:40] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:41] eh? [21:41] <_juan> hi, is anyone using gnome on their slackware 64, and if so, dropline? gsb? [21:41] ah [21:41] well possibly, but the hardware specs will be different [21:41] it's a matter of trying it [21:41] differnet? :( how can.. how can i make it work? [21:41] Guest8626 (i=unices@82-170-225-106.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:42] missyjane, oh it will probably be fine. [21:42] unless you happen to have hardware not supported by linux [21:42] okay [21:43] works in xfce now [21:43] idk WTF happened [21:43] good stuff [21:43] nutsack wierd shit eh [21:43] bah [21:43] perhaps we didn't do the alsactl store after editing that sound file.. [21:43] Action: Chakravanti begins to scrape furiously again [21:43] how do i know if its not supported my linux? [21:43] maybe not... [21:43] so when you rebooted it restored old settings [21:43] but i rebooted entirely before the sound worked [21:43] the first time [21:43] so... [21:43] idk [21:44] Chakravanti: looks like you need to find yourself a good 12 step group :P [21:44] no [21:44] ... or some more weed [21:44] i need to find a medpot state that will let me grow my own [21:44] right when you boot up 'alsactl restore' is run, and if we didn't store it properly it break [21:44] besides, 12step isn't actually any more statistically effective than any other program or independant effort [21:44] Someone fiendin? [21:45] it's....a cult. [21:45] Chakravanti: no, but they have better coffee :P [21:45] I know what thats like, just finished smokin all my resin! [21:45] I drink tea [21:45] i don't use drugs [21:45] that too.. and the bonus is that you get a hug when you enter the room :P [21:45] I use entheogenic healing methods =) [21:45] organic plz and tyvm [21:45] right... [21:45] dig pharmie pharma can KMA [21:46] me too, medical mj [21:46] :) [21:46] tea contains caffeine .. caffeine is a drug :P [21:46] i was once on 3300mgs/day of lithium [21:46] without any major noticeable difference [21:46] BP{k}: no no. it is 'organic'! [21:46] some...but not nearly enough to justify taking a dose that would kill most people [21:46] anyhow.. i am not done fiddling with rworkmans packages [21:46] kinky. [21:47] tea isn't inherently any more organic than coffe [21:47] pardon!? [21:47] coffee can be organic [21:47] bbl folks... and dont forget to test with every card/chip that you have [21:47] it's a matter of cultivation methods [21:47] macavity (n=root@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [21:47] restart dbus? [21:47] Orion7, /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [21:47] BAH [21:48] ok [21:48] dive: thx again [21:48] yw [21:48] yxie (n=yxie@60.247.97.97) joined ##slackware. [21:48] I didn't say it would work though ;-) [21:48] if i ruled the world....i would force every prohibitionist to slam heroin for 5 weeks straight, then lock them in a room together to w/d [21:48] i mean...really...what the difference between that and them prohibiting me [21:49] and they would kill eachother [21:49] and the world would be a better place [21:49] One would only hope [21:49] i'm gonna start modifying lawyer jokes to prohibitionist jokes [21:49] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:49] dive: it did work and solved the problem [21:49] great [21:50] who would prohibit the prohibitionist themselves? [21:50] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-30-158.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [21:50] if i could rule the world i would force every ubuntu user to use slackware or gentoo for 5 weeks straight, then lock em in a room full of PCs with just windows PCs with viruses infected on them [21:51] pfft every great linux user keeps a thumbdrive with linux up their butt [21:51] word [21:51] ...for emergencies [21:51] lol! [21:51] RipVanWinkle: that would just mean less pcs for me to fix :| [21:51] Orion7: not true, mines in my ear. :D [21:51] Orion7: easier access and doesn't look as awkward. :) [21:51] haha [21:52] heh I got cygwin on a stick [21:52] I'm loving -current, 13 is going to be awesome! [21:52] BP{k}, no one, that's why it's bad for us to use drugs but geedubyah can snort more coke than you make in your life in college and still get elected [21:53] because the rules don't apply to the people that make and enforce them [21:53] even though, to begin with, those should NOT be conjoined functions [21:53] of any position [21:53] legalizing of illicit substances may belong in ##slackofftopic.. [21:53] haha [21:54] #politics --> thattaway :) [21:54] oh wtf, the topic says otherwise. [21:54] nvm, i guess not. where's twinreverb, there needs to be a tribal council or something. [21:54] ##politics [21:54] trust me.. [21:54] Dominian: same thing :P [21:54] BP{k}: I don't think so [21:54] one is official and the other is not? [21:54] unless its finally been forwarded [21:55] eviljames: one is really crappy the other is actually politics [21:55] Dominian: ah. [21:56] ## is probably th ebetter choice :P [21:56] Chakravanti: your sound does work, right? [21:56] it does, again [21:56] for now [21:56] i can redo all that again if it messes up [21:56] heh, as long as the stars stay in perfect alignment. [21:56] if that doesn't work... [21:56] ill be here letting you know about it! [21:56] =) [21:57] _juan (n=juan@200.109.134.10) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:57] Chakravanti: what link was the output of aplay -L again? [21:57] phillipsm (n=matt@173-20-30-158.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [21:58] nheco (n=nheco_nh@189-30-62-88.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [21:58] http://www.pastebin.org/5194 [21:58] i'm guessing i need to be root to slackbuild >.> [21:58] lol [21:59] yes [21:59] yeah it was kinda obvious [21:59] but i wasn't really thinking about it [21:59] and [21:59] i'm sober [21:59] all that tweaking just to keep a webcam, if it was me i would toss the webcam if i had to choose between sound or webcam [21:59] hey guys, I'd like someone to help me understand if this is psychotic and if so, how psychotic is it? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/gxxR1T79.html [21:59] RipVanWinkle, sure but i don't have a mic [21:59] it's my only mic [22:00] and don't say $10 at walmart [22:00] cuz walmart is evil [22:00] and im broke [22:00] then radio shack' [22:00] and if had $10...it'd probably get smoked [22:00] Chakravanti: I *think* that by putting a few lines into asound.conf you might be able to avoid this trouble.. but there doesn't seem to be a good reference page for it online anywhere. [22:00] radio shack is nuts [22:00] Chakravanti: do you have a man page for it? [22:00] i was reading the one you sent me earlier [22:01] well you want quality you better save that money you arre planning to buy weed with and buy a decent mic [22:01] was gonna go over it a bit before i tackled actually getting the webcam, and gyachi to work [22:01] i don't really give a shit about quality [22:01] as long as it works [22:01] lol! [22:01] i can't quite afford to give a shit about it [22:01] i mean [22:02] i bet you drive a 1972 ford pinto [22:02] i don't drive >.> [22:02] I ride a bike [22:02] Chakravanti: I think it's as simple as: http://www.pastebin.org/5208 [22:03] where do i put that? [22:03] put that into /etc/asound.conf if that file is nonexistant and try w/o the /etc/modprobe.d/sound file.. if I'm right alsa should always be forced to choose that card. [22:04] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] wtf [22:04] asound has some shit about bluetooth [22:05] i don't have bluetooth [22:05] i wish i had bluetooth [22:05] lol [22:05] heh, asound.conf is probably linked to bluetooth/asound.conf [22:06] I miss chrome [22:06] where'd it go? [22:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:08] wtf does this mean:http://www.pastebin.org/5209 [22:08] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:09] more context? [22:09] Chakravanti, you tried to run a program in X as root? [22:10] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] http://www.pastebin.org/5210 [22:10] yeah [22:11] ik in ubuntu they said if you're gonna do that you need to use gksudo [22:11] but i havent set any of that sudo shit up yet [22:11] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-22-112.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:11] and idk how to do it normally [22:11] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-19-227.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:11] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [22:12] Chakravanti, man xhost [22:12] as in xhost +local: [22:12] david___ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] then make sure DISPLAY is set [22:13] which will likely be :0.0 [22:13] uh [22:13] okay [22:14] xhost command a user [22:14] imstarting to feel really stupid [22:14] xhost command aa user [22:14] fsck [22:14] as [22:14] lol [22:14] then do export DISPLAY=:0.0 as root [22:14] then start your prog [22:16] okay right now boost is compiling [22:16] imma reboot and test this asound when its done [22:16] Action: Chakravanti goes back to furiously scraping what was a dray piece to begin with...yesterday... [22:16] why? You will find out soon enough. [22:17] lol [22:17] david___ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [22:17] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:18] david___ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [22:18] umz (n=umz@116.71.28.85) left irc: "Leaving" [22:19] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) joined ##slackware. [22:20] I mentioned this friend who is trying extremely hard to get his sister in law hooked up with me. [22:21] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) left ##slackware. [22:22] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:22] david___ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.56.198) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:23] david___ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:23] david___ (n=david@pool-72-66-5-193.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:23] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [22:24] *sizzle* [22:25] antiwire, what happened? [22:25] he's relentless. he called today and asked if I could go out with her on saturday and I said no, busy with other stuff so then calls me again later and goes "hey, so...here she is" and bam...on the phone with some chick i don't know...at all [22:26] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:26] jesus [22:26] why would he do that? [22:26] have you seen what she looks like? [22:26] because he is off the chain [22:26] nope. i don't know her at all [22:26] whats off the chain? [22:27] lunatic [22:27] ugh, i hate when people pull that crap [22:27] makes me want to smash their face with a brick [22:27] she might be crazy too [22:27] yeah i'll find out soon enough [22:27] The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (62% of Full) [22:28] maybe an axe murderer like Lizzy Borden [22:35] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:35] she sounded nice...but one has to wonder why her sister and brother in law are pushing so hard. [22:36] sometimes the sound (voice) can be deceiving. :P [22:36] lol [22:36] does your mom want grandkids? better get busy boy [22:36] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.102.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:37] antiwire: I did that to my brother once.. trust me, its never a good thing lol [22:37] hey all [22:37] hey gtl [22:37] If my mom is ever going to be a grandmother it won't be because of me [22:37] you you and this chic will blame whoever hooked you two up together [22:38] fire|bird, i screwed up my backup big time last night... [22:38] gtl: yikes, what happened. [22:39] antiwire: for all you know, she sounded nice because she just took her meds. :P [22:40] awesome, maybe she'll share so I'll take it and she won't..then we'll both be crazies [22:40] it will be fun [22:40] haha [22:40] i changed /dev/sdc (usb key) for /dev/sdb (external HDD, backup) on dd if=usbboot.img of= [22:40] does 2 crazies = a sane? :P [22:41] gtl: I did that once but I was hung over. what's your excuse? hahahah [22:41] maybe she has multiple personality disorder and it will be like a group thing instead of just the two of you [22:41] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.201.102.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:41] gtl is unhappy. [22:41] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:41] antiwire, very tired [22:41] so, I'm normal? hehe! [22:41] gtl: lol [22:42] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-123-136.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] RipVanWinkle: I have a shirt that says "I have multiple personalities and they all say you're an idiot." :P [22:42] Nick change: peacedog -> peacedog_mobile [22:42] crap, I was thinking i'm SO lame all day long... not that that's very far from the truth... [22:43] gtl: I copied a blank disk to a disk that I needed a copy of... [22:43] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [22:43] i like "you're just jealous because the voices inside my head only talk to me" [22:44] peacedog_mobile (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-123-136.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Peace out ;-)"). [22:44] RipVanWinkle, that rocks [22:44] I also worked in a lab with a friend once and he formatted a disk that stored all of our unattended install images... [22:44] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] night all:-) [22:44] night hitest [22:44] night hitest [22:44] night fire|bird, gtl:) [22:44] antiwire: ouch. Was there any backups of those? :P [22:45] i bet that was a disapointment antiwire (losing all that data) [22:45] peacedog_ (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-123-136.lyncva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:45] Nick change: peacedog_ -> peacedog [22:45] yeah we both raged for a minute and then started making new images [22:45] well, looking back I just lost several hours of downloading a very respectable mp3 collection [22:46] some movies [22:46] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [22:46] and some work stuff I just got a chance to do better :) [22:48] just like Eric Idle sang as he was crucified on Life of Brian: "Always look on the bright side of life!" [22:48] ok [22:48] night time, bye guys [22:49] missyjane, good night [22:49] yarvin (n=yarvin@65.201.122.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:49] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [22:50] antiwire: I've discovered with this laptop that the one fan completely stops, but I wonder if there isn't more problems, for example, I'll hit the power button, and it seems like it's starting, yet there's no output on the screen. :P [22:50] I'll soon have to s/laptop/craptop/ :/ [22:51] fire|bird, I've a key combination on this one I'm feeling the urge to press [22:51] gtl: lol, which combo would that be? [22:51] Fn+toss-out-the-window [22:51] haha [22:52] Fn+fly [22:52] haha [22:52] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:55] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] Well, I wonder if bridged VM networking will play nice with my wifi card... [22:58] i doubt it but it's worth a try [22:58] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [22:59] when you have someone ssh'd into your machine is there away to watch what they are typing in the console? kind of like vnc? [23:01] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:02] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [23:02] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [23:03] peacedog (n=peacedog@pool-71-173-123-136.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Peace out ;-)" [23:04] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] from a slack disk, can I image my laptop's hdd with dd or something and have it put on an external hdd? [23:05] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [23:05] y0 agentc0re|skydiver_man|sometimes@|work|crazy|utah|man. :D [23:06] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [23:06] laters, sleepytime [23:06] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:07] agentc0re: there might be some program out there that does this, but you can probably change their shell to a script you made that logs [23:07] Could I use something like dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 ? [23:08] fire|bird, i guess that could work [23:08] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:08] you can clone w/ clonezilla [23:09] gtl: Guess? I want a for sure answer. :P [23:09] what are you trying to do now? [23:09] antiwire: I am on a slackware disk and wanted to try and image the hdd and put it on an external hdd. [23:09] is that possible? [23:09] fire|bird, I can only show you the door... [23:09] hehe [23:10] fire|bird: if you have dd and the install disk has USB mass storage support, yes [23:10] when you said "on a slackware disk" did you mean the install disk or on a running system's main disk? [23:10] antiwire: a slackware dvd. :P [23:11] Ah crap, it froze again. :/ [23:11] ok, then what i described with dd and usb support work be fine [23:11] antiwire: ok, thank you. [23:11] or just use a live cd or USB boot disk [23:11] something designed for this [23:11] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: Client Quit [23:11] ok guys [23:12] doesn't support USB and a live cd seems to freeze it more often. :( [23:12] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [23:12] can't think good anymore... old graymass needs rest [23:12] fire|bird: take the HD out of the bad system and image it elsewhere [23:12] night all [23:12] terabytes_ (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [23:12] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: Client Quit [23:12] terabytes_ (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: Client Quit [23:12] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:13] fire|bird: Sweet kill new nick for me dude! [23:13] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [23:13] if you don't have a 2.5" to 3.5" adapter you can just use another laptop temporarily, or just go buy an adapter, use it, and take it back [23:14] antiwire: yeah, I don't have an adapter at all, and no other laptop. :P [23:15] closest place to get one would be 100 miles round trip. [23:16] fire|bird: ...wtf.. you live in bfe? [23:16] This isn't what you want to hear but I wouldn't trust a system that is being this unstable to image a disk anyway [23:16] agentc0re: hahaha, no, but not too far away. :P [23:16] macavity (n=charlott@90.185.112.203) joined ##slackware. [23:17] antiwire: yeah, I know. I think it's part heat and gosh knows what else, I will be able to try other parts, etc. soon hopefully. [23:17] do you know anyone with a laptop? just use it to do the job [23:18] antiwire: yeah, I do, they're also about 80-85 miles round trip away. :P [23:18] geez.. L337_CodeMonkey left me a freaking memo just to say thanks >_< [23:18] are you on space tubes for something? [23:18] for/or [23:19] lol [23:19] macavity: well that was nice. [23:19] antiwire: I got the manual etc for how to tear this laptop completely apart, just no other parts yet to try it with. :P [23:20] agentc0re: sure... i have to go out of my way so he can say thank you... i dont even remember him, nor what he asked about :P [23:20] well just getting the HD out isn't usually a big deal [23:20] antiwire: no, that's easy, 2 screws for cover, 6 to remove hdd. [23:21] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [23:21] I've already done that a few times, tried the laptop with a different hdd. [23:21] since you live on the fscking moon you might consider buying a universal USB adapter. I have one that takes 3.5" IDE, 2.5"IDE and SATA all on one USB adapter and it works great. [23:22] i keep it in my ninja bag when I go on sites [23:22] you live on the moooon? [23:22] you have mooninites for neighbors? [23:22] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: "Leaving" [23:22] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [23:23] HEY, don't knock living on the moon. :P [23:23] d00d the moon doesn't exist. it's a big ploy in making us think it controls the tides when in fact they are controlled by huge motors in the sea. [23:24] if the moon doesn' [23:24] doesn't exist, how come werewolves change when it's full? [23:25] Again, a story behind what's really happening. Those are Robot Zombies in wolf outfits. [23:25] probably the ninja ghost pirates are behind it all [23:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:26] dakarn (n=skas@93.68.173.229) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:26] Totally, they control the sea motors. [23:26] so I've been out of touch a couple days (moving), anything interesting happen? [23:26] thats why you'd never know. [23:26] http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=imaginary-friends [23:26] you have all created parasocial relationships with me. [23:26] gtfo out of my head [23:27] eh? you're just a snippet of code that lives inside my computer [23:27] But you're real to me antiwire.... [23:27] hahaha [23:27] i think there for you are. [23:27] I think I think, therefore I think I am [23:28] antiwire: I've thought about getting one of those adapters/wondered how well they work. However, shipping and handling to the moon is a pain in the rear. Once, the package was delivered to the ISS by mistake, it took a month and a half to get it. [23:28] s/I think/I am thinking [23:29] fire|bird: another NASA screwup [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:29] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:29] lol [23:30] NASA + UPS, friggen idiots, I thought they were suppose to know how to get to anywhere. [23:30] should have sent it SpaceEx? [23:30] yeah, I guess so. [23:31] scubacuda (n=rog@qity-cphi01.v02.tylrtx.sta.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] I heard that all UPS1 shuttles have been grounded due to so many delivery mistakes, the cargo bay doors were loose and something was wrong with the GPS system I guess, had a close encounter with a satellite or something. [23:33] yeah, was supposed to get a package, it accidentally got routed to Barnard's Star... would be here in 30,000 years, except they have to wait for the aliens there to evolve opposable thumbs and develop high tech, so they can refuel the shuttle [23:34] (heh, that's the real explanation behind the monolith thing in the movie 2001) [23:34] You know I hate FedEx more than UPS. [23:35] i have always had worse luck with fedex.. [23:35] always late or delayed... [23:35] I've always had good luck with both. [23:35] maybe because fedex hate mormons and ups doesn't..? [23:36] "What, mormons live here? Yeah, toss that one back on the loading dock, they'll get it eventually." [23:36] BP{k}: Oh so i tried my latest beer and i made one good IPA and a stout. the IPA is a little over the top but should settle a bit more nicely here in a couple of days or a week. [23:36] fire|bird: Do you work for fedex? ;) [23:36] nope [23:36] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] liar! [23:37] agentc0re: who cares, I live on the moon and you don't. :D [23:37] fsck me! [23:38] I won't, but maybe missyjane will. :P [23:38] /clear [23:38] haha [23:38] Action: agentc0re hides that from the wife [23:38] the world is full, rm -rf everyone you can. [23:38] anyone know anything about cmake?!? [23:38] who do i pass the equivalent of --prefix to it? [23:39] ... Um.. i've seen it used in a slackbuild before :P [23:39] i know i avoid using it cause i dont know how to configure the options [23:39] agentc0re: which one :P [23:39] hrmm, let me find out. [23:39] macavity: I've made a few slackbuilds for cmake stuff before, I went off the kde4 slackbuilds as an example. [23:39] hey macavity :) [23:40] agentc0re: i am trying to build yakuake for -current, which means messing with cmake.. and the crap ends up in /usr/local despite the best of my efforts [23:40] macavity: qt4 [23:40] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] mine's in /usr/bin/ :D [23:40] fire|bird: ah, i thought KDE4 used scons now adays... [23:40] agentc0re: thx :-) [23:40] macavity: nope, it uses cmake [23:41] fire|bird: so, do i fetch the slackbuild, or do you just throw it at me because you like my perfume? :P [23:41] macavity: if it's static, you can cp the binaries to /usr/bin [23:41] macavity: hahaha, let me see if I still have the slackbuild for that around, sec. [23:41] http://www.hulu.com/watch/85987/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-tue-jul-28-2009 [23:41] macavity: and the skype call recorder [23:41] i just grep'd the repo for cmake :P [23:41] -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr \ [23:41] XGizzmo+++++ [23:42] ah [23:42] how do i get my isp to reset my ip? [23:42] macavity: For further reference, if needed. http://pastebin.com/d637f56ce [23:43] macavity: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/sUXaA338.html [23:43] fire|bird: is that your's? [23:44] agentc0re: yeah, I went off one of slackwares for kaudiocreator's iirc. [23:44] fire|bird: Oh and btw.. i watched donnie darko after you told me about how you heard that song "mad world" in it. I love that movie now. [23:44] It's awesome. [23:44] fire|bird: Did you submit it? [23:44] agentc0re: no, I didn't. [23:45] I've never submitted anything. :P [23:45] Action: agentc0re smacks fire|bird with a phoenix! [23:45] wtf mate? ;) [23:45] HEY MAN, leave me alone. :) [23:45] LOL [23:49] ok.. totally haxed up yakuake.SlackBuild :P [23:49] fire|bird: you should start doing that [23:50] fire|bird: that is.. contributing the stuff you make.. i mean, why should others have the trouble of creating something you already did? :P [23:51] macavity++ [23:51] macavity: heh, good point. I've just never looked into doing that. :P [23:51] I have a couple top secret build scripts waiting for the submission process to start back up. [23:52] locked up in a safe type top secret? :P [23:52] i am just waiting for 13.0 so i can redo my bacula script... robby had a lot to say about it :P hehe... lots of stuff to fix. [23:52] agentc0re: that's because ydiw. :P [23:53] fire|bird: maybe you should do it right..\ [23:53] lol [23:53] what is bacula anyway? I used to know, but can't recall atm. [23:54] fire|bird: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bacula [23:54] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] :P [23:54] hiptobecubic, oh hai [23:54] epic pwnage! ;) [23:54] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:54] hay [23:54] ok.. brb from yakuake [23:55] macavity (n=charlott@90.185.112.203) left irc: "leaving" [23:55] What's yakuake? [23:55] agentc0re: Awww, you lmgtfy'd that just for me? :P [23:55] hiptobecubic: a drop-down terminal. [23:55] http://lmgtfy.com/?q=yakuake [23:55] :P [23:55] while i'm on a roll, hehe. [23:55] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [23:55] ahh.. muuuch better :-) [23:55] lol yes. thank you. [23:55] wb macavity [23:56] fire|bird: bacula is a backup program. [23:56] fire|bird: i use it for my autoloading tape changer device at work. [23:56] agentc0re: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=agentc0re :D [23:56] fire|bird: that's all me baby. [23:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:57] agentc0re: man, you're famous. :P [23:59] MadneX (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [23:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:59] WHOA, I just seen on the news that a guy made his own skates and skated on a roller coaster. [23:59] lol [23:59] it was interesting to watch. [00:00] --- Thu Jul 30 2009