[00:00] yeah [00:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: No route to host [00:00] well freebsd 7.2 has portsnap [00:00] really really like that.. makes getting a ports copy very simple [00:00] sweet [00:01] bsd is pissing me off right about now. [00:01] and I've gotten a working grsecurity policy on my slackware server.. yay me [00:01] i'm not sure if it's the bce driver or snmpd.. tried bsnmpd and net-snmp.. both give me wrong values. [00:01] bastards [00:01] you update the MIBs? [00:01] If Slackware ever dies (see netcraft for confirmation), I suspect that I'll be an OpenBSD guy. [00:01] yea :/ [00:01] ah [00:01] rworkman! [00:02] uh oh [00:02] rworkman: eh [00:02] openbsd is ok [00:02] RUN [00:02] I'd probably go openSUSE for Linux and NetBSD for BSD.. but FreeBSD is still nice ;) [00:02] rworkman, any word with kernel.org mirroring ? [00:02] I'm here for now, but if I disappear and don't come back, it's not because I don't like you. :) [00:02] although I don't like how pf acts sometimes [00:02] jeev: alphageek is on that; I don't know the status now [00:03] the guy is on freenode, i msg'd him a week or two ago hehe [00:03] Action: Dominian curses [00:04] freebsd and slackware needs to startl ike some sort of sexual alliance [00:04] The OpenBSD guys focus on security to the exclusion of performance from my memory OpenBSD just wasn't as responsive as NetBSD and FreeBSD [00:04] i favor openbsd too. was solid, freebsd ports were fine but packages had lots of glitches [00:04] I've tried all the BSDs at one point or another [00:04] Angevin: and they are asses most of the time to boot. [00:05] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [00:05] Dominian, any other suggestions as far as MIB crap? [00:05] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] no idea man.. [00:05] no tsure what you're querying [00:05] knoxville (n=knoxvill@c-76-113-247-176.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [00:05] the down/up is like almost the same speed which is wrong. [00:05] eh [00:05] [21:05:23 5/28] IF-MIB::ifInOctets.1 /1 sec: 139615712 [00:05] [21:05:23 5/28] IF-MIB::ifOutOctets.1 /1 sec: 137670538 [00:05] and the numbers are off. [00:05] you try to ask in #freebsd? [00:05] they're monkeying around in there [00:05] i've been asking all day. [00:06] ah [00:06] i've been assed out, the gigabit piece of crap switch doesn't have 64bit counters. [00:06] so i have absolutely no idea what this guy is using. [00:07] jeev: that's just odd... [00:07] yea, i dunno man. stupid. should've just put slack on this [00:08] hehe [00:08] ping (n=alexzyp@113.65.6.127) joined ##slackware. [00:08] could still do it, i could have slack installed through nfs in 15 min.. i would just have to build all the crap [00:08] and i dont want to mess with the guy [00:09] ping (n=alexzyp@113.65.6.127) left ##slackware. [00:13] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:13] Bugz_ (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-16.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:14] i made poor man's gumbo! [00:14] used condoms and tampons? [00:14] skillet (n=skillet@ip68-109-1-178.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] i'm sorry,, that was out of line. [00:14] blame the beer [00:14] heh [00:14] no out of line is saying [00:15] I hate condoms I'd rather not have sex than use a condom so I choose not to have casual sex anymore with random women [00:15] "you're a poor man gumbo" [00:15] white rice, campbells tomato soup, spicy sausages! [00:15] what you said was completly fucked up [00:15] Gumby? [00:16] antiwire: blech [00:16] I condoms just dull the feeling too much for me and it's just artificial [00:16] no onions? [00:16] but whatever this is off topic [00:16] ... [00:16] does it sound like i have onions? [00:16] i just made gumbo with tomato soup for fsck sake [00:16] too poor? heh [00:16] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1519 LOL [00:17] dude: http://joeykelly.net/scratchpad/index.cgi?Gumbo [00:17] at least i had some sausages, instead of hotdogs [00:17] for when you can buy and inion [00:17] onion [00:18] yea, my girlfriends cousin is gonna cook for me tomorrow [00:18] hehe [00:18] I so read "cook" as a totally different word... [00:18] no [00:18] hehe [00:18] she always cooks for me [00:18] I did it again... [00:18] she got a REDI set go and makes cool things with it [00:18] LOL Dominian [00:18] go put google ads on noobfarm [00:18] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [00:18] so i can click it [00:18] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [00:19] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [00:19] i should be exempt from that. [00:19] google ads on noobfarm... [00:19] bah [00:19] DO IT [00:19] ping (n=alexzyp@113.65.6.127) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Just dunno if I like that. [00:19] how about scroogle ? [00:20] i have a 25 cent bounty + paypal fees for whoever helps me with the snmpd issue on bsd. [00:20] considering that the project doesn't really need "funding" to continue.. not sure who the "ad click" payouts should go to [00:20] you ? [00:20] :) [00:20] Dominian, donate it. [00:20] get a server and torrent slackware. [00:20] hah [00:20] jeev: http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1535 [00:20] actually... [00:20] lol yea rworkman. [00:20] using donations to "pay" for hosting isn't a half-bad idea [00:21] timestamp is missing [00:21] i was gone for like 40 minutes [00:21] i dunno who put it there [00:21] yeah timestamps would've been helpful on that quote [00:21] i'm like "why isn't the channel turning red" lol [00:21] exbio (n=exi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:21] eww, prom queen at a local high school = a dood. [00:21] jeev: did you try that mailing lists yet ? [00:21] yea Angevin. [00:22] hmmm [00:22] http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-net/2009-May/022131.html [00:22] s/that/the/ [00:31] slackboy joined ##slackware. [00:31] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:33] jon_doh (n=jon_doh@cpe-76-187-1-174.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:34] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:36] cmk_zzz_ (n=martink@219-89-201-169.adsl.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. 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[01:21] great too, thanks :) [01:23] from phoronix, "OpenSuSE 11.2 is switching to the newer GCC 4.4 compiler, the latest Linux 2.6.30 kernel is being used, and Novell has switched to using EXT4 for its default file-system." <- at once, for a "minor" version [01:24] and Mozilla Firefox 3.5 Beta 4 [01:24] wow [01:24] I've tried 3.5b4. Very nice. [01:24] nille_ (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:24] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:24] on the other hand 11.2 release it on november [01:25] so there are still some time but well [01:29] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-080-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [01:31] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:47] jeev: or if you do, filter the URLs to only show local ones [01:49] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:50] tooly (n=theo@e178150086.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [01:52] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:52] yea [01:52] i just dontk now what to use [01:52] i have an old set up of webalizer but it seems to be problematic. [01:52] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [01:54] hello [01:54] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:57] ivan8013 (n=ivan@190.149.96.186) joined ##slackware. [02:01] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:11] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:14] slKIvs (n=ivan@190.149.96.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:14] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:15] Nick change: Guest65860 -> reallove [02:15] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Hi frullet [02:17] whats up [02:17] nothing much. It is extremely quiet in here tonight. [02:17] right now anyway. and for about the past hour or so. [02:18] here it's raining like hell [02:18] sad morning [02:18] where's here? [02:18] mmm ... rain [02:18] Eastern Europe [02:18] Action: Skaperen loves rain [02:18] Action: reallove doesn't [02:18] Action: Skaperen had rain 6 hours ago [02:18] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:18] Action: Skaperen wants it to come back [02:19] switch places ? [02:19] :) [02:19] nah ... don't eastern europe [02:19] don't like ... [02:19] just not my kind of place [02:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:20] Action: Skaperen doesn't understand the languages there [02:20] e'llo govna [02:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:22] ! [02:23] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-fd9369f97e6d993a) joined ##slackware. [02:23] why would my washing machine cause static to rip through my speakers? [02:24] nvision (n=nvision@g229115104.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:24] it's a giant electric motor... [02:24] Try new improved Bounce dryer sheets! [02:25] ohhhhh sorry washing machine :( [02:26] Well, I think if you're washing your speakers, you get what you deserve!! [02:27] wow, i totally see where you coming from! Thanks rob0 ! [02:27] that motor in there is using magnetic fields to create torque and those same fields are probably inducing a little flow in the speaker coils and the cables as well. [02:28] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:28] ah fair enough [02:28] You're welcome! And I'll be performing here all week, so tell your friends! [02:28] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.26.35) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:29] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [02:30] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:30] jescis (i=1000@adsl-80-18-57.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.27) joined ##slackware. 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[02:49] The-Croupier: echo "" > /var/log/secure [02:50] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [02:50] i suppose ill do the same with /var/log/messages [02:50] ;) thanks frullet [02:51] i suppose root of that system should grab you by the balls :) [02:51] stybla: thats me ;) [02:52] tooly (n=theo@e178150086.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [02:52] Ah, back. Internet went out. :( [02:52] stybla: root of that system is me ;) [02:52] firebird619: morning geeza hows it going [02:52] firebird619: welcome back to the channel. [02:52] The-Croupier: now, sure :) [02:52] The-Croupier: going great, thanks. you? [02:52] thanks stybla [02:53] firebird619, i ated your internets [02:54] nix_chix0r: Ah Ha, so it was you. I had my suspicions. [02:54] at least you admitted it. :) [02:54] nix_chix0r: How's it going? [02:54] firebird619: good...messing around with my system.. ;) got my slackware laptop at work ;) and making some cleaning up [02:54] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) left irc: "Saliendo" [02:55] i was dead tired last night..i fell asleep next to my laptop [02:55] lol [02:56] i dont know if i asked you this, firebird619 but is there some kind of treatment you can spray on your grass to ward off woodticks? [02:56] The-Croupier: so this "making some cleaning" then is wiping the slober from it? [02:56] nix_chix0r: Umm, I'm not sure, but my guess is that there would be something out there. [02:56] y0 chopp, how goes it? [02:57] good firebird619 how about yourself? [02:57] i'm just so fucking sick of wood ticks [02:57] chopp: doing great, thanks. [02:57] happycycling (n=happycyc@174-23-121-193.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: " HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference" [02:57] right on [02:57] chopp: i didnt get the whole statement, but i mean clean up things that i know and are not needed [02:57] nix_chix0r: yeah, I had one in my ear one time. [02:57] greetings to chopp [02:57] i set my hoody on the ground for not even a minute and ther were 4 stuck to it [02:58] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:59] nix_chix0r: there may be some suggestions here: http://www.bcrescue.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1759 [02:59] firebird619, our grass is like 5inches high right now because the riding lawnmower has a flat:P [02:59] The-Croupier: greetings to you [02:59] nix_chix0r: have the hubby get out there with a scissors. :) [02:59] or fix the flat [02:59] unbelievable [02:59] i should! [02:59] im trying to configure root-tail to show me stuff immediately.. but i am reading the dmesg manual and i cannot tell where it gets the info from [02:59] my KVM at the datacenter isn't working [03:00] got a couple acres to mow haha [03:00] just gona get the mp3 player going [03:00] exbio (n=exi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:01] it tells me to do dmesg >somefile... i didnt understand exactly ...is dmesg showing only the boot.messages...or other things going on at the time on the kernel generally.. [03:01] does anyone know? [03:01] Action: The-Croupier really needs another linux-book [03:03] nix_chix0r: you better get that flat fixed soon or you'll have foot long grass, and if you have that big of area to mow, it'd be a pain in the rear with a push mower. :P [03:04] i know i know [03:05] I like the hubby + scissors idea though, he could be the new youtube sensation. :P [03:05] haha with numa numa playing in the backround [03:05] haha [03:07] The-Croupier: dmesg is strictly bootup messages, but as the man page states, you can print it to a file. [03:07] chopp: so its only bootup messages [03:07] chopp: thank you [03:07] np [03:08] that means during work it doesnt change stuff.. so the /var/log/messages is the one that all the devices and other stuff get written to ;) [03:08] http://www.mosquitobarrier.com/ firebird619 [03:08] i think i understand a little bit better ;) ... is there another file i should be aware of? [03:09] i win at google [03:09] nix_chix0r: cool, looks like that'll work. [03:09] you may win this time, but you've only won a battle, not the war. :P [03:10] kinda spendy but i'm going to search to see if i can make my own [03:10] press a lot of garlic [03:10] :O, nix_chix0r's brand tick repellent. [03:11] yeah, looks like that's mainly what repels them. [03:11] /clear [03:11] fail [03:11] :P [03:11] ;) [03:12] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:13] what fails [03:13] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [03:13] you? [03:13] firebird619, now i feel like i have invisible wood ticks crawling on me just thinking about it [03:13] nix_chix0r: http://www.care2.com/greenliving/tick-repellant.html# [03:13] haha [03:14] nix_chix0r: Why in the world would you say I fail?. The-Croupier failed by typing /clear. :P [03:14] The-Croupier: perhaps this manpage will clear things up? http://www.rootshell.be/~nix4me/man/rtfmman.html :P [03:14] :O [03:14] GO TO SLEEP DAMN MINNESOTA LAMERS [03:14] im retarded so i guess i fail [03:15] nix_chix0r: Awww, it's ok, you're not retarded, your just special. :P [03:15] jeev: mind you're own business. :P I'll go to bed when I want, and that's not now. :P [03:15] firebird619, you keep linking me to repellent for dogs. are you wanting me to take that list x 1000 [03:16] hahaha, it repells ticks, and this last one was a home made repellant, it doesn't need to just be used for dogs. [03:16] i would have to use gallons of all that stuff:)) [03:16] The-Croupier: don't cry, it was a joke. [03:17] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:17] chopp: ssshhhhhhh im rtfm :p [03:17] orly? :P [03:17] haha [03:18] chopp: quiet, he's trying to concentrate. :P [03:18] nix_chix0r: "tick repellent for humans" yields 21,800 results. :) [03:19] chopp: shhh i can still here you laugh [03:19] payday is today [03:19] wooot, dinner on you then for all of us? :P [03:20] only 290 people here right now. :P [03:20] 4grand yeah i think every one is gettin hungry man dinners [03:20] haha [03:20] YAY for 1 LB of food. :) [03:21] I don't mind hungry man dinners. [03:21] MAN MEALS [03:21] earth angel, aearth angel [03:21] will you be mine [03:21] just like Cambells chunky soup. [03:21] oh man, what are you doing now jeev. :P [03:21] Cambells patato and bacon soup is legit.. [03:21] yeah, i'd like to make my own chicken pot pies one night [03:21] firebird619: looks like he is praying somewhere [03:22] The-Croupier: that's actually a song. [03:22] frullet: I like the good ol chicken noodle. :P [03:22] hide your lady parts he's trying to romance [03:23] I don't have any, so I'm good. :P [03:23] is this right? Maximum Disk Sector: 268435454 [03:23] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] nix_chix0r: watch out, he's lookin at you. :P [03:23] Maximum User Sector: 312581807 [03:23] new england clam chowder ftw [03:23] i got compliments on my new dress slacks today asked if they were tailored to me and i said. nope oldnavy just rules [03:23] can the user sectors on a disk be more then the max disk sectors? [03:24] oh fyi hitachi hard drives are so shitty [03:24] nix_chix0r: lol, but they fail on shipping. :P [03:24] bad sectors after 60days? 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[03:29] lol [03:30] roorah (n=foo@87.244.223.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:32] chopp: you checked out opera 10 with the new skin yet? :P [03:34] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:34] firebird619: not yet, I've been too busy. I'll probably build it tomorrow. [03:35] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:35] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:35] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:35] cool. I usually just run it from the directory it untars too. I also use the --pd path_here so it doesn't mess up the old opera. [03:36] hiccup in the interweb [03:36] my laptop battery is so shitty that, if i unplug my power adapter it will shutdown [03:36] almost instantly [03:37] firebird619: oh, I just assumed you used a slackbuild. [03:38] nah, not with snapshots. [03:38] ahh ok [03:38] could easily use SBo's slackbuild and do it that way, then edit the .desktop file with the --pd option so it didn't mess things up. [03:38] or just start it from cli [03:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [03:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:40] especially this time, I don't want the two to interfere with each other, because 10 uses a new mail format, and once the old mails converted to that, there's NO going back. [03:40] I checked out opera again a few months back, but I can't remember why I skidded it. :P [03:40] I posted ss's of the two skins, I'll find them. [03:41] cool [03:41] I didn't post them here, it was another channel though. :P [03:41] http://imagebin.org/50553 <--- Old (i.e. Opera 9 series) [03:41] misspwn (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:41] nixlix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [03:42] http://imagebin.org/50554 <--- New (i.e. Opera 10 and beyond) [03:42] wb nixlix3r. [03:43] ty [03:43] chopp: note that the new skin isn't completed yet, but that is the beginning workings of it. [03:43] i dont know why it's doing this it's a clear sky and there is no wind [03:43] I have the same problem with mine, but I'm on cable Internet. [03:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:44] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [03:45] y0 compl3x [03:45] hey firebird619 [03:45] gah its early [03:46] yup, sure is. 02:45 :) Early morning. [03:46] you just wake up? [03:46] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [03:46] yeah - its 8:45 here [03:46] I see someone has been fixing slackwiki [03:46] Well Good mornin compl3x. :) [03:47] Morning to you aswell :p [03:47] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] heh - waiting for slackware current updates is addictive [03:47] lol [03:48] yarvin (n=yarvin@42-57-74-65.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [03:48] ahh cant believe my kvm over ip died. [03:48] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:50] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl5-183-196.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [03:51] Nick change: Stx_ -> Guest68328 [03:51] whoa, nice beard: http://img.moronail.net/img/9/5/895.jpg :P [03:52] haha [03:52] http://g.imagehost.org/0004/training.jpg <--- Dog training video...yeah, that's really going well. :P [03:52] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE79EA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [03:53] now thats hilarious. [03:54] I wonder if that's a sign that the dog doesn't want to be trained, or just is sensitive about being adopted. :P [03:55] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:55] lol [03:55] firebird619: Definitly the later :p [03:56] Guest68328 (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:56] haha [03:56] Hmm I think im going to setup my eeepc so I can go chill out in the sun - the weather is fantastic for where I live - like shockingly fantastic [03:56] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [03:56] weather was fantastic here too, suppose to be 79 F tomorrow, so nice again. :) [03:57] [= [03:57] I need to go get a tan [03:57] im all pastey [03:57] Saturday's suppose to be really nice too here. :) [03:57] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [03:57] Action: firebird619 hands compl3x some tan paint. :P [03:57] Stx_ (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Killed by Stx () [03:58] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [03:58] Cheers buddy :p [03:58] Action: firebird619 whoops, here's the paint brush. forgot, sorry. :P [03:58] :P [03:59] haha, firefox is broken http://babyanimalz.com/community/sites/default/files/images/Foxes_1.jpeg [04:00] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] im off for a bit .. laters firebird619 [04:01] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-78-18.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:01] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [04:01] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [04:04] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] yht|pulang (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:14] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:22] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:22] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:22] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) left irc: "Saliendo" [04:24] Later everyone. Have a good morning/afternoon/evening. Take care. :) [04:26] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:28] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [04:33] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:35] Hmm [04:35] alienBOB: ping? [04:36] is it normal that there is no lilo config during slackware64 setup? [04:36] newX (n=thybridd@adsl-070-148-058-018.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] also, selecting only kernel-huge results in no kernel being installed at all (?) [04:37] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-122-157-151.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [04:37] i have a mouse with a wheel and it works except i cant scroll with it.. what is wrong? [04:38] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:38] newX: you need to configure xorg.conf [04:38] newX you need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf [04:38] stybla: sounds like a broken install to me [04:38] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:39] newX: http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/trench/14593.html [04:39] xorg.conf for the mouse? [04:39] newX: Follow that guide [04:39] Zordrak: what do you mean by broken install? [04:39] whats that silly automagical malarky.. something like xorg -configure [04:39] newX: follow that guide- restartx and you will have a scrolling mouse [04:39] stybla: in that you are seeing the unexpected... and it seems like what would occur if files were missing from your install source [04:40] nvision (n=nvision@g229115104.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:40] Zordrak: but they are there. i can boot kernel from cd afterwards, install kernel pkg and create lilo.conf -> fixed. [04:40] thanks... i figured itt was some other explanation [04:41] but... if those are broke... waht else might be [04:41] Zordrak: could you please explain more? :\ [04:41] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:42] those may just be symptoms of a bigger plroblem [04:42] SQlvpapir__ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:43] Zordrak: ok, - is it my fault, or installers? :) [04:44] where did you get your installer? [04:44] via alienBOBs script [04:44] hmmm [04:44] not quite sure what to suggest [04:44] stybla did you burn an iso [04:45] compl3x: sure i did. [04:45] may have ben corrupted [04:45] omg [04:45] ok, one more [04:45] stybla: did you use a DVD [04:45] or CD [04:46] if i boot kernel from dvd after installation and install pkgs regarding kernel, modules and fw + create lilo.conf by hand, everything works. [04:46] Yudha_HT (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) joined ##slackware. [04:46] i see nothing corrupted there. [04:46] you wont see the corruption most likely [04:46] Zordrak: that would be X -configure [04:47] compl3x: what corruption? [04:47] of the image being burnt to the disc [04:47] ie: faulty media or faulty drive [04:48] stybla: I wouldn't start blaming the installer - seeming as I've not heard of anyone else having this problem yet [04:48] compl3x: but corruption in ? [04:49] stybla, try installing from a mirror on the hard drive. [04:49] stybla: the dvd/cd [04:49] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [04:49] hello slackers ;) [04:49] me waves to ttyX [04:49] stybla: there are many problems that could of occoured - something going wrong when mirroring, something gone wrong when burning, or faulty dvd/cd .. or perhaps even faulty reader [04:49] hey ttyX [04:50] newX (n=thybridd@adsl-070-148-058-018.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:50] ok I've got a couple of filesystem related questions if anyone is willing to answer [04:50] compl3x: ok, so i have lilo installed, i can install kernel-huge + modules + fw from dvd, but it's still corrupted? [04:50] compl3x: it's really *doubtfull* [04:50] sorry [04:50] and the scripts that install the system might just skip the faulty parts and go on. [04:51] stybla: or something went wrong with the installer in the proccess of downloading to burning? :P [04:51] Few days ago I was playing with parted magic and formatted my 73.27GB partition to diff fs like jfs,xfs,ext3,ext4 [04:52] and I noticed both ext3 and ext4 use 1.33gb initially unlike jfs for example which uses 40mb only [04:52] ttyX, use reiserfs [04:53] so the question is why so? [04:53] will have less wasted space [04:53] yes exactly its wasting space [04:53] but is there any way I can retain it? [04:54] it's for superblock backups afaik. [04:54] you can control the number of backups when formatting i think. just read the man. [04:55] reiserfs (and other non-ext types) don't do backups -> use much less space for the fs. [04:55] again, that's what i know, might be totally misguided. [04:56] I prefer jfs but this pardus won't let me [04:56] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-122-157-151.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: "Leaving" [04:56] Slack works fine with jfs [04:56] Pardus only has ext3 as install option [04:56] that sux [04:56] wtf is pardus? lol [04:56] Pardus Linux [04:56] idle (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [04:56] a Turkish linux distro [04:57] i thought we were using slackware here :) [04:57] I am [04:58] s/were/were supposed to be/ [04:58] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [04:58] its on my vbox [04:59] i'm a little cautious with regard to jfs. never tried it. my choices are usually ext3 (very seldom), reiserfs (for / and /home) and xfs for storage :) [04:59] slava_dp: pick one [05:00] yht (n=blackhat@125.161.74.39) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:00] never had a single prob with jfs [05:00] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:00] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [05:00] Zordrak, why should i? anything wrong with using various filesystems? [05:02] i just dont see the worth in runnig 3 diff FSes [05:05] what do you run? [05:05] in most cases ext3 [05:06] runnig ext4 on the slack64 box [05:06] viper (n=lars@login.redpill-linpro.com) joined ##slackware. [05:06] ext3 is so slow. [05:06] really just waiting for a stable btrfs [05:07] Anyone running an eeepc 1000h with current on it? [05:08] when ever I try and use iwconfig on ra0 it doesn't set.. [05:08] reiserfs is fast and great, but not for critical data, since the tools are not really maintained anymore. xfs has great toolset so i use that whe needed. [05:08] i agree with xfs [05:08] but why not just use xfs on all of it? [05:09] accustomed to reiserfs maybe. just like it for speed and no periodic fscks on startup. been using it since i got to using linux. [05:10] xfs and ext4 are both generally faster than reiser (generally) and with reiser development in a noose.. it seems pointless to use it [05:10] can understand if you're just used to it [05:10] Anyone? - can't use iwconfig on ra0..it doesnt retain settings [05:10] just would have thought that when you decided on xfs for storage.. youdh have moved the reiserfs to xfs too [05:11] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:11] will consider that [05:11] *nod* [05:11] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:12] if nothing else.. you can take reiser out of your kernel and reduce the size of it ;) [05:13] removing ext would decrease it considerably [05:13] :p [05:13] HAAAHAHAHA!!! I,m moving to xfs for ONE reason alone..... [05:13] RHEL doesnt support it! [05:14] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) joined ##slackware. [05:15] waiting for fedora 11 [05:15] srsly? wow. rhel sucks really hard. in many many ways. [05:15] many many many [05:16] many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many many man [05:16] many. [05:16] lol [05:16] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "leaving" [05:16] well, that's a good number of possible improvements then :-D [05:18] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:20] ivan8013 (n=ivan@190.149.96.186) left irc: "Saliendo" [05:20] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-46a172d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [05:20] zox (i=zox@hysteria.ro) joined ##slackware. [05:22] why does rhel suck btw? [05:22] they do have ancient packages in repo but is it enough? [05:22] zox (i=zox@unaffiliated/zox) left irc: Client Quit [05:24] oh yes fedora 10 had kernel panic on my system :p [05:26] every last little thing about how they make and manage their OS is painful, insane and sometimes downright stupid [05:26] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9dpXHnJXaE&eurl [05:27] alienBOB: I'd help transfer info from the old wiki, but the only page I'm able to edit is Links. :P [05:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:36] Action: slava_dp still struggles with "cannot open default font 'fixed'". damn. [05:38] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.153.71.5) left irc: "leaving" [05:39] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.243.197.133) joined ##slackware. [05:45] zox (i=zox@hysteria.ro) joined ##slackware. [05:49] br0din (n=vector@125.161.135.35) joined ##slackware. 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[06:26] Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) [06:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) joined ##slackware. [06:26] slava_dp: i can connect to the one that i have configured for home...and it works fine..if there is a hotspot..or anything else that i know the password or has no password i cannot do anything [06:27] mine -> Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02) [06:27] everything works fine here [06:27] The-Croupier, does wicd not work too? [06:27] slava_dp: mine works fine for the wone i have configured [06:27] same with wicd [06:28] wifimanager/wicd [06:28] The-Croupier: set for dhcp? [06:28] Zordrak: could you please ellaborate on that? [06:29] The-Croupier, you either need to specify an ip address manually or use dhcp [06:29] Are you just configuring the wireless (Layer 1&2) or the network too (Layer 3)? [06:29] The-Croupier, when you have connected with iwconfig, use ifconfig to set the ip for wlan0 [06:30] Zordrak: i used wicd at some point to connect :( never worked.. [06:30] O>o [06:30] slava_dp: that means give it an ip manually everytime i want to connect to any hotspot [06:30] manually [06:31] Zordrak: i was running ifconfig wlan0 up, iwlist wlan0 scanning, put the essid,gateway..run dhpcd ;) [06:31] The-Croupier, well you either specify an ip via ifconfig or in wicd network properties. or you can run dhcpcd wlan0 [06:31] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:32] :( don't know then [06:32] slava_dp: i run the dhcpcd...in wicd shows connected but nothing there :( [06:32] slava_dp: thanks [06:33] maybe the default gateway was not applied correctly by dhcp? or dns settings? [06:33] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:33] so i have to look around dhcp then [06:33] cat /etc/resolv.conf; route -n [06:33] and resolv [06:33] i see [06:34] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.102) joined ##slackware. [06:34] ill play around some more...maybe ill be lucky enough to get some kind of error or something..and ill take it from there [06:34] thanks though [06:34] you need to have something like this in the route output --> 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.128 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 wlan0 [06:34] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.183) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:35] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.50) joined ##slackware. [06:35] i do have something like that ;) thats the gateway ;) [06:35] then it's supposed to work. check resolv.conf [06:36] FFS... i put a brand new HDD in a laptop.. but disk I/O is CRAWLING... it's painful to even navigate a directory... but the SMART info shows no problems.. and a WDDLG disk check shows no problems... so how do i prove the disk is boned? [06:36] hdparm -Ii [06:37] fail [06:37] umislack (i=1000@58.64.95.242) left irc: "leaving" [06:37] hdparm -Tt /dev/sda [06:38] slava_dp: proves nothing, because driver can be messed up. [06:39] did i mention this POS is running XP [06:39] at least hdparm -I shows which udma mode is in effect. [06:39] Timing cached reads: 3698 MB in 1.99 seconds = 1853.84 MB/sec is this a fairly ok? or less than average? [06:40] Action: slava_dp has 1577 for his laptop [06:40] and 45 for buffered reads [06:40] slava_dp: i have 43 buffer reads [06:41] 888/75 && 709/109 :P [06:41] stybla, is that scsi or some wd raptor type? [06:42] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:42] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [06:43] Nick change: slackid -> Guest55717 [06:44] Nick change: Guest55717 -> slackid [06:45] The-Croupier : cached doesn't really matter. [06:46] slava_dp: no, just sata. 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[07:18] Zordrak: OpenVPN works for me from home to the office as well :) [07:18] morning [07:18] alisonken1noc: the significance is: [07:18] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:18] I have replaced our POS SonicWALL on-firewall VPN solution that requires a windows client that doesnt work 20% of the time with a perfectly functional OpenVPN server running on Slackware64 :D [07:19] that's the significance :) [07:21] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-232-112.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:26] i keep getting errors installing slack on this old laptop, i am thinking of putting win2k on it long enough so i can copy the /slackware/* files to a disk partition on the back of the drive then point the installer to those files, anyone ever have to do this? [07:26] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[07:29] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-232-112.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:29] Pig_Pen: just a normal cat 5 I used [07:29] Pig_Pen: connected this pc to my laptop via it [07:29] then followd the guide [07:30] ok, the bad thing about that is i did not build ethernet support in my kernel on this desktop PC because i only use it with wifi, i would have to rebuild the kernel ;p [07:31] i already have win2k installing on it, i think i will let it finish then just copy slack to a seperate partition in the back of the drive [07:31] Pig_Pen: NFS install [07:32] steppenwolfii (n=greymaus@86.46.252.47) joined ##slackware. [07:33] if i dont get it the way i am trying now i will do the nfs install [07:33] Whats with no-one doing a nagios or nrpe slackbuild yet? I mean, fair enough it's my job to do it cause im the one who wants it... but i cant imagine why no-one else has done up to now [07:33] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-193-36.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:34] nagios... [07:35] http://www.google.com/search?q=nagios [07:35] i know what nagios is. [07:36] orite... [07:37] ohWOW! [07:37] what i have is an old panasonic toughbook cf-72 with a p3 coppermine 700mhz, and 256 megs ram, i am going to put slack-11 on it and build the latest 2.4.xx kernel, leave kde off and use xfce [07:38] The new version of the displaf user agent extension for thunderbird now differentiates between sonding OSes.... so doesnt just show sent by thunderbird, but whether that thunderbird was on windows or linux [07:38] Pig_Pen: wtf? why 2.4&11? [07:38] Why not just a small 2.6 on 12.2? [07:38] older laptop, low specs [07:38] vqf434 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] Nick change: vqf434 -> xxp546 [07:39] slackid (n=willysr@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:39] it aint Windows 7 :) it's slackware [07:39] maybe i will do 12.2, i have not put 11 on it [07:40] i need to finish the win2k install so i can copy slack files on it [07:40] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-165-149.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [07:41] my brand new openvpn server is running Slack64 on 2.6.29.2 and it's only using 72M RAM! [07:41] i know windows hates gparted disk partitions, wtf is wrong with microsoft they know millions of people hate them yet they dont change their ways [07:41] 72M out of an available 2GB [07:41] Pig_Pen: so, if you are up to console-only, go for slackware64 ;) [07:42] _only_ 72MB :P [07:42] it's not that its slack64 [07:42] its not a 64 bit system, its old laptop that had win98 on it originally [07:42] what i mean is that EVEN with slack64.. its still *only* 72M [07:42] with slack32 (12.2) it would be less [07:43] yeah, but it is still _console_ only. [07:43] i want a basic x window system so i can use it to surf & audio/video & etc [07:43] my point is comparing 11(2.4) and 12.2(2.6) [07:44] in either case your WM will add resource requirements [07:44] i like that old slack wint the 2.4.xx kernel [07:44] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:44] http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/29/russian_firecrackers/ <--- worse than bobbitt [07:44] 2.4 is history [07:44] but my point is that the base system reqs of 12.2/current are still so low that theres no point going for aging software just for resources [07:45] +1 Zordrak [07:45] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [07:45] naw, 2.4 is a sweet little kernel [07:45] all you gotta do is turn off useless crap like hald [07:46] Pig_Pen: it *was*... but it's now sweet and old and living in a care home [07:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:46] 2.4 is still kept maintained, it is still on kernel.org's front page [07:46] Pig_Pen: 2.6 custom is sweeter :p [07:46] Zordrak: but you are talking about console... [07:47] no [07:47] im not [07:47] Zordrak: i somewhat doubt wm T - 5 years has same requirements as WM T present. [07:47] Pig_Pen: yeah... like i said.. it still lives... but in a care home [07:47] http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/29/sharp_five_colour_lcd_panel/ <-- Sharp has a 5 color (rgbcy) LCD panel [07:47] xxp546 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:48] stybla: wait one sec.. im gonna start fluxbox on the vpn server and check the ram [07:48] fluxbox ftw. [07:48] am thinking of blacklisting kde and upgrade to current [07:48] compl3x die ftw. [07:49] now using 92M RAM [07:49] stybla: while(1){ you_die_ftw(); } [07:49] :] [07:49] 20M for a WM! [07:49] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) left irc: "De profvndis clamo ad te Domine." [07:49] Zordrak: let's hope he's not into KDE ;) [07:50] 146M RAM with xfce [07:50] *cough* [07:50] that still leaves over 100M on a 256M system# [07:50] but then i wouldnt use xfce if resources were sparse id use fluxbox [07:51] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-193-36.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:51] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [07:51] its apps like firefox that eat memory [07:51] and kde4 :p [07:51] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-197.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:51] yeah... but what about if you run Konqueror4 in fluxbox? [07:51] Zordrak: i have centrino@1.3GHz + 512MB ram - some ram for intel ... believe it, it's pain to work on it. [07:51] dillo [07:51] Zordrak: and apps get killed because of not enough ram :) [07:52] Action: compl3x uses fluxbox + thunar [07:52] On a machine with 4gb ram [07:52] haha ... it reminds me windows and limit for 3 apps only :D [07:52] then get more ram. Using a 2.4 kernel to save yourself 10M RAM will make no significant difference.. its the WM and the apps you use [07:52] compl3x: why not pcman? [07:52] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] pcman is much ligh weight imo [07:53] light* [07:53] ttyX: dunno just use what Ive got I suppose [07:53] 10/512*100 [07:53] compl3x: you stay on fluxbox... dont let the evil tempt you [07:53] tpy414 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Nick change: tpy414 -> myb511 [07:53] :) [07:54] any chances of gnome being shipped with the next version? [07:54] Zordrak: I hate heavy wm's .. kde4 is just messy - [07:54] i think mozilla lost the idea of simple and lightweight with firefox, it was supposed to be a lightweight alternative to mozilla and now it is just as bloated (sans email) [07:54] kde4 - way too shiny - not even desktop icons any more by default [07:54] kde4 is a nightmare on my lappy [07:54] kde4 is FANTASTIC... on a decent spec machine used for massive multitasking... for a light use machine or server it's overkill [07:55] Zordrak: I have a q6600 at 3.8ghz 4gb ram and I still detest it [07:55] so i use KDE4 on my primary work machine and fluxbox on anything else that needs X [07:55] windows is coming to linux :p [07:55] compl3x: why? its so useful... my productivity shot up when i switched to kde4 [07:56] Zordrak: how is it usefull? explain./ [07:56] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:56] Zordrak: my main rig is an Intel Pentium D with 2 GB RAM. it runs KDE 3.5.10 very well. is it good enough for KDE4? [07:56] I wanna know too [07:56] hitest: hell yes [07:56] ty [07:57] hitest: i am running on an athlon64 3500+ with 4GB RAM [07:57] I hawe Virtualbox taking up a whole gig of RLAM and still im only using 2GB [07:58] I'll give it a shot on my 5200+ [07:58] sounds good to me [07:58] and rcunning ff/tb/amarok/hald/skype/kopete [07:58] Zordrak: How did it increase your productivity? [07:58] oh and mysqld/apache [07:59] Zordrak: I have the same question :p [07:59] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:00] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.102) joined ##slackware. [08:01] compl3x: because its all seamless.. app switching is beautiful and lets me work the way my mind does, not the way IT does.. the message bus stuff that lets everthing integrate instead of the kde3.5 way of everything is segregated but can kind of pass messages makes it really fluid.. the device notifire that ties into hald is great.. the replacement of konqueror with dolphin for local files is inspired [08:01] etc etc etc [08:01] Zordrak: dolphin ++ [08:02] Zordrak: I suppose as you say the way your mind works - mine doesn't work that way ... also it just reminds me of the old windows days [08:02] compl3x: thats not what i mean [08:02] what i mean is i can configure it to work the way *I* want it to... without making it complex and ugly [08:02] compl3x: how much time have you spent working in KDE4? [08:03] Zordrak: overall the reason I prefer fluxbox is 1) Maximum screen space 2) right click menu, can access programs no matter where I am on the monitor, compact and not resource heavy , its does the job [08:03] Zordrak: spent a couple hours on my eeepc with it - and for that machine i *do* like it [08:03] because tbh i was VERY suspicious and apprehensive before i started using it... but now i cant besieve i didnt start usingc it sooner [08:03] Zordrak: seeming as I use that machine for media/ a bit of work [08:04] Zordrak: but for this machine, my main work/coding/building machine fluxbox is the only thing for me at the moment - maybe when slackware hits 13 ill give it another go [08:04] compl3x: i love fluxbox for the same reasons... but not for massive multitasking across web/sys management/audio/video/messaging [08:04] i can only say i heavily recommend that you do [08:04] Zordrak: I run a few transparent borderless eterms - firefox( witch im replacing soon ) and mplayer [08:04] take time to configure it the way *you* want it [08:05] Zordrak: Yeah - I think the main reason I don't want to move to it is that I will miss my fluxbox menu :p [08:05] lol [08:05] Zordrak: ive got a couple hours free tonight - may spend it on kde4 [08:05] then add your items to the KDE context menu :) [08:06] personally i like to use quicklaunch... its the one piece of windows that was a damn good idea and i welcome it (as an option) on linux [08:06] Zordrak: another issue I had with it, is when I started it Id get akiondy*? errors on startup [08:06] bki579 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:06] something relating to dbus [08:06] compl3x: yeah.. that confused me... but i never bothered to findh out what the deal was with it... it went away :) [08:07] i think its basically a PIM systemw [08:07] Zordrak: haha - bug with kde? or slackware in current? [08:07] just turn it off or learn about it and configure [08:07] yeah [08:07] i dont know if its th same in current [08:07] hmm [08:07] havent seen it since about march when I installed this box [08:08] Zordrak: i've said nothing about 2.4, and you can get 2.6 into pretty much anything. i have 2.6 at 10.2 and no problems, except old udev, so one is limited to 2.6.16 (or something). [08:08] not used kde4 elsewhere since [08:08] stybla: i could run slackware 3 with "no problems" doesnt mean i should [08:09] so long as you dont run unnecessary daemons... the resource issue just isnt an issue [08:09] Action: Zordrak goes to Greggs for a baguette [08:09] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left irc: "Leaving" [08:11] Zordrak: ehm. [08:12] Action: compl3x is hungry [08:14] Action: ttyX goes for evening tea [08:14] Action: compl3x goes to get some food for lunch [08:18] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) left irc: "Saliendo" [08:20] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [08:21] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:21] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chms.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:22] myb511 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:22] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:23] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [08:24] erb925 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Nick change: erb925 -> ygk411 [08:29] can ANYBODY tell me which package has the "default font 'fixed'" for X ? [08:29] font-misc-misc maybe ? [08:29] or shall i write Pat and ask. bet he knows. [08:29] thrice`, i have that one installed, still the same. [08:30] alienBOB: - On your eeepc did you manage to setup wireless correctly? [08:30] he'll respond with :I recommend you use ubuntu" [08:30] slava_dp: if it's just a warning when you're startx, you're fine [08:30] thrice`, man, you spoiled all the fun [08:30] not a warning, a fatal error. [08:30] I do my best ;) [08:30] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] well, did you install it with slackware, or after the fact ? [08:31] i started with a minimal system (just a/), then built up. now all i'm missing is x. i can run `X` already and it's not missing any libs, just this font error. [08:31] it being xorg [08:32] ygk411 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:32] aha [08:32] did you mkfontdir + mkfontscale the dir's of the fonts? [08:32] let me see.... [08:33] something like: [08:33] for i in `/bin/ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/*`; do mkfontdir $i &> /dev/null; done [08:33] for i in `/bin/ls -d /usr/lib/X11/fonts/*`; do mkfontscale $i &> /dev/null; done [08:34] or find the setup script that does those two items. I'm not at my linux machine now, but I think that DIR (/usr/lib/X11/fonts) is correct [08:35] it is correct. i've just done both steps, let's see [08:36] Action: slava_dp awards thrice` with a huge medal [08:36] thanks, it starts up now :) [08:37] sure thing :) [08:37] compl3x: yes I use slackware-current with the 2.6.29.2 kernel on my eeepc 1000h and wireless workss without problems, using open networks as well as WPA/WPA2 encrypted networks, using the rt2860 driver in the kernel [08:37] slava_dp: typically the installer takes care of those two items [08:37] And I used /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf & /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf to set it up, but I also tried wicd and that works just as well [08:38] alienBOB: Okay - I was trying iwconfig but settings would not stay [08:38] kr_eten (n=quick@opencode.dioextent.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:38] compl3x: define "would not stay" [08:39] ttyX (n=Haider@115.108.13.72) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:39] alienBOB: ie: iwconfig ra0 essid MYESSID , set it then checked iwconfig and it was still blank - same with ke [08:39] key* [08:39] compl3x: did you actually try using Slackware's network configuration scripts for your wireless? See http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wireless_configuration_in_rc.inet1.conf or run "man rc.inet1.conf" [08:39] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [08:40] compl3x: all these settings will only show in iwconfig after you successfully associate with the access point [08:40] nn_oo (n=nobody@58.247.237.71) joined ##slackware. [08:41] hello. which package do i need to install if i want to compile a kernel module [08:41] losia (n=root@116.68.96.169) joined ##slackware. [08:41] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.24.36) joined ##slackware. [08:41] alienBOB: so would you suggest using inetd conf? [08:42] compl3x: why would you _not_ use rc.inet1.conf ? [08:42] hey anyone here ever had this error while tryingt o start sshd? /var/empty must be owned by root and not group or world-writable. [08:42] alienBOB: on this pc I use rc.local to setup my card. [08:42] compl3x: inetd.conf is something entirely different [08:43] toastytoast, maybe you just chmod [08:43] toastytoast: well your /var/empty is screwed up then [08:43] indeed i wonder how tho [08:44] i've tryed to chown root /var/empty -r and i tried a chmod as well [08:45] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [08:45] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [08:46] apperently w2k had this error alot i just found somethign on lq bout it [08:46] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] toastytoast, and what does ls -l /var/empty output? [08:47] all it tells me is total 0 [08:48] toastytoast, ls -ld /var/empty [08:48] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:48] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-101-151-124.mel.connect.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [08:48] drwxrwxrwx 2 root root 48 2008-07-24 13:39 /var/empty/ [08:48] Cheers alienBOB got it working now [= [08:48] toastytoast, chmod 755 /var/empty [08:49] alienBOB: another thing - with kde4 do you find your screen "stretched"? [08:49] thanks i've never seen that error before [08:50] alienBOB: I'm running 800x600 and some of the menus take up the hole screen.. [08:50] hello. which package do i need to install if i want to compile a kernel module ? or any suggestion ? or any faq ? or any sth .. ? [08:52] off topic ! im trying to download the kernel patches after 2.6.27.7 to be upgraded to stable 2.6.29.4 , well im using gftp it allows us to select files using regualr expression , well im not that good at it ! well my qery is can any one suggest a regular expression to select "patch-2.6.2[7-9]*.bz2 [08:52] yxv885 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Nick change: yxv885 -> yrg141 [08:53] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.171) joined ##slackware. [08:54] :) [08:55] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.171) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] nn_oo, just do a full install. it's only 4.7 gigs. [08:56] nn_oo: well, all toolchain related items. hopefully you have those [08:56] thrice`, slava_dp, can you please help me [08:57] losia, get patch-2.6.28.bz2, patch-2.6.29.bz2 and patch-2.6.29.4.bz2 [08:57] losia, that's all you need. [08:57] but documentation says all patches greater than current kernel [08:58] i mean the source documentation [08:58] any say tnks .. i trying with that !! [08:58] way [08:58] losia: just download the full source [08:58] losia, read the kernel README carefully [08:58] pprkut, i hav dnwlimits :P [08:58] pprkut, let's give him a chance to learn how to patch :) [08:59] <|ast|> kernel 2.6.29.2 in slack current not support ieee80211_crypt_tkip ?? [08:59] slava_dp: well, the fact is patch-2.6.28.bz2 is against 2.6.27 and NOT against 2.6.27.7, so it WILL fail [08:59] indeed [09:00] you'd need a clean 2.6.27.tar.bz2 [09:00] <|ast|> not module load? [09:00] hey guys please stop confusing me !! :P [09:00] eh. right. losia you will need to get patch-2.6.27.7.bz2 and reverse it. [09:00] losia: fair enough, but you will probably still save some bandwidth that way [09:00] losia, then appy patch-2.6.28 etc [09:00] |ast|: if you have a modularized kernel, it's been in there for some time. it may be part of crypt modules rather than ieee modules [09:02] summer, after reverse patching of 2.6.27.7 to 2*.27 apply [patch-2.6.28.bz2, patch-2.6.29.bz2 and patch-2.6.29.4.bz2 ] isn't [09:02] summery [09:02] losia, correct. [09:03] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.14) left irc: [09:03] slava_dp, pprkut thanks a bunch!! [09:03] no problem. glad to help. [09:04] slava_dp, thrice` lol, ok, thanks. i guess it's the kernel source needed [09:05] slava_dp, pprkut if you hav sm time do you mind helping me with tat regular expression! it may come handy !! rply any time :) [09:10] losia: if you're not very familiar with patching, the single most useful thing you can learn is the --dry-run option to the patch command [09:11] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [09:11] hi! exists a app like slackpkg + sbopkg? [09:12] that way if you make a mistake, you'll find out about it without messing up your source tree [09:12] gabriel_: yeah [09:12] gabriel_: they're called "slackpkg" and "sbopkg" [09:12] :( [09:12] Urchlay, im reading man for --dry-run switch :) well happy to see people helping ,thanks Urchlay [09:13] cool. what an enlightened question that was. [09:13] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-178-204.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:13] gabriel_, write one? [09:14] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:14] yea [09:14] maybe [09:14] wtf? why would you? [09:15] Dominian: how can you burn a dvd iso img using dd to dvd? [09:16] tecky, growisofs [09:16] can't do it with dd imo :) [09:17] tecky: growisofs [09:17] imo? [09:17] actually, growisofs uses dd itself (or maybe the very latest version doesn't, I haven't burned a dvd in a while) [09:17] that makes no sense in that sentence [09:17] Zordrak, same as imho but not so humble :p [09:18] yes.. but it's not opinion [09:19] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [09:19] "In my opinion, you cant use a feather duster as a sniper rifle"... [09:19] well ok, forgive me for using it in the wrong context. [09:19] s/imo/afaik/ [09:19] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: Client Quit [09:21] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [09:21] slava_dp: i've had problems with dd in the past writing iso images to drives / devices [09:21] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@nat-wifi-voip.campus.utfsm.cl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:21] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A771E2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] greetings [09:22] y0 slackytude :) [09:22] just ordered slackware 13 and a t-shirt ^-^ [09:23] wtf? they taking pre-orders? [09:23] hey slackytude:) [09:23] yeah [09:23] y0 hitest [09:23] losia (n=root@116.68.96.169) left irc: "Leaving" [09:23] :) [09:23] shit.. cant be long now then [09:23] yeah [09:23] i'm going to wait for slackbook 3.0 and order the set with slackware 13. [09:23] or not. [09:24] well, I for one can't wait [09:24] Action: slava_dp seems to make no sense today lol [09:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:25] <|ast|> compile xbmc and error [09:25] y0 hiptobecubic [09:25] <|ast|> configure: error: Could not find a required library. Please see the README for your platform. [09:25] <|ast|> :S [09:25] i'm perfectly fine and satisfied with slack 12.2 [09:25] slackytude, morning sir [09:25] |ast|: are you a) actually on slackware, b) did you install d/ ? [09:25] Action: compl3x has finally sorted out his eeepc screen resolution [= [09:25] slava_dp, yeah, but I want me t-shirt [09:26] slava_dp: yep. slackware 12.2 is excellent, but, I will be upgrading when 13.0 is released. [09:26] bbl [09:26] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [09:26] Action: slackytude is still on 12.1 [09:26] my mother is on 12.2 [09:26] hitest, everybody will eventually. [09:26] yeah [09:26] <|ast|> support boost for xbmc... [09:27] |ast|: run this command: 'cat /etc/*-version' [09:27] <|ast|> thrice`: use slackware64 [09:27] How can I turn off all the heavy graphics settings in kde? ie window transparency on drag? [09:27] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.46.237) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] <|ast|> current [09:27] |ast|: what are you trying to compile ? [09:28] <|ast|> thrice`: compile xbmc and fault support iglew [09:28] <|ast|> :) [09:30] |ast|: ok, I've not tried that. do you have all of the dependencies ? [09:31] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [09:31] compl3x, tried the kde settings? :-) [09:32] slava_dp: yeah I just can't find anything directly relating to it [09:32] slava_dp: like in kde 3.x where you could choose performance options [09:33] |ast|, install glew [09:33] hey do you guys think a 7160rpm fan is a little obnoxios? [09:33] No [09:33] it pushes 250CFM [09:33] compl3x, system settings -> Desktop [09:33] compl3x, look harder, it's there. [09:34] depends. While it's running, does it sound like there's a jet plane taking off? [09:34] idle: cheers ill give it a shot [09:34] i haven't gopttne it yet but it supose to be about 60db [09:34] idle: haha thanks :/ *feels stupid* [09:34] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Action: slackytude goes to sit in the sun for a while [09:34] laterz [09:34] and i'm also getting 2 80mm rackmount fans [09:34] compl3x, nah, it's just new :) [09:34] slackytude, lucky to have sun [09:35] heavy rain here [09:35] yeah, it would be kinda cold without it [09:35] :P [09:35] sucks [09:35] Usually rains here - blazing hot today tho [09:36] slava_dp: heavy rain here as well [09:36] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.118) joined ##slackware. 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[10:24] acidchild: which is exactly what I'm trying to escape [10:25] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-178-204.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:27] haha [10:27] well thats HTTP for you [10:27] you can't escape idiocy [10:27] :) [10:27] "Idiocracy" wasn't a comedy, it was a prophetic vision [10:30] you can escape idiocy, but you end up in a cave in tibetian mountains [10:30] what does qw() mean in perl? :x [10:30] *Googles* [10:30] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.231) joined ##slackware. [10:30] quote word i seee [10:31] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:32] who wants coffee? speak now or forever hold your peice! [10:32] peace* [10:32] me! [10:33] Action: slackytude wants the dark, bitter, nectar of gods [10:34] steppenwolfii (n=greymaus@86-46-192-48-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] haha :] [10:35] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [10:38] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173-9-254-98-Illinois.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: [10:38] Action: acidchild passes slackytude a coffee [10:38] thx, mate [10:38] Windows is so slow [10:38] Action: acidchild waits. [10:38] qw(foo bar baz) is exactly equivalent to ("foo", "bar", "baz") [10:38] Action: slackytude rejoices [10:38] Urchlay: :)) [10:39] use base qw(Net::Server::PreFork); [10:39] except last I checked, qw(foo #bar) draws a warning (comment inside qw()), whereas ("foo", "#bar") is fine [10:39] building a sofa tonight with my girlfriend [10:39] this should be interesting. [10:39] ah, try "perldoc base" to see what that does [10:40] acidchild: just watch her do it whilst you drink beer. [10:40] haha [10:40] then dont let her sit on it [10:40] i don't trust her with power tools. [10:40] ha [10:40] acidchild: im sure shes got her own power tools ;) [10:40] lol [10:41] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [10:41] off to work, later folks:) [10:41] :) [10:41] see ya [10:41] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:41] bye, slackytude:) [10:41] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:42] i think its cheaper than buying one of the size we want [10:42] :) [10:42] its 5m long LOL [10:42] 2M depth [10:42] that's what she said [10:42] ah dude thats mesed up [10:42] like a day bed, but with theater seats. [10:42] acidchild: do you not do the job? :p [10:42] :> [10:43] i suurrree ddo ;) [10:43] if she was 2M depth, i _WOULD NOT_ be dating her [10:43] thats just fucked up [10:43] that :> reminds me of those Mad Magazine characters "Spy VS Spy" "D [10:45] woah, my cat just ate a .3 or so of weed [10:45] O.o [10:45] acidchild: dude don't share with the kittycat [10:45] i didn't [10:45] :| [10:45] 3 grams? how good was it? [10:45] he's going to turn into a lolcat? [10:46] Pig_Pen: 0.3 grams :-) [10:46] and its crystaly white skunk [10:46] thats not much, maybe a joint? [10:46] i dunno dude, i remember an old roommates dog eating a 7 grams of hash [10:46] small joint [10:46] weird. Cats are usually carnivores [10:46] and pissing/shitting himself. [10:46] Pig_Pen: maybe with your crappy weed! LOL :) [10:46] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: No route to host [10:46] i seen cats eat grass out of the yard just like a dog does [10:46] eww hash [10:46] a 'match' is .2 per person for a joint [10:47] eewww hash wtf? [10:47] your not a stoner :@ [10:47] heh hash where I live is awfull [10:47] who me? [10:47] seriously awfull [10:48] soap box hash? [10:48] Action: acidchild remembers the days of making 5grams of honey oil every friday [10:48] Action: Zordrak reminds everyone: This Channel Has Public Logs [10:48] acidchild: aint got a clue - don't touch it often [10:48] how old are you acidchild? i smoked my first taste of weed back in 1972 [10:48] Zordrak: LOL who cares [10:48] I dont know much about hash [10:48] depends who you are [10:48] Pig_Pen: 20 :) [10:48] <|alisonken1churc> compl3x: waxy taste [10:49] smoked my first doobie 2000 [10:49] <|alisonken1churc> definite youngster [10:49] public logs? ok! Legalize pot! we like it a lot! [10:49] haha [10:49] |alisonken1churc: waxy taste then calling me a youngster?!?! [10:49] <|alisonken1churc> :) [10:50] Action: acidchild *headsdesk* [10:50] Action: stybla wonders what's that 'honey oils' [10:50] hosl (n=UNIX@187.5.58.233) left ##slackware. [10:50] <|alisonken1churc> acidchild: at least that's what it tasted like in the 70's [10:50] Samy1 (i=samyw@92.84.8.79) joined ##slackware. [10:51] <|alisonken1churc> that was the first and last time I tried it [10:51] Nick change: |alisonken1churc -> alisonken1home [10:52] stybla: you use high grade propane or butane to seperate the THC crystals off the vegtables. [10:52] THC is soluable in solvents and fat. [10:52] acidchild: ah, ok. [10:53] you can get black oil, which is done with petrol... as the solvent. [10:53] and is normaly done with the 'waste' from the plant, stems, leaf etc. [10:53] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:53] wdyy (n=yy@123.80.24.36) left irc: "‚»" [10:54] remember being able to pick up metal gas containers of black oil, using a blow touch to put it in 5g viles. [10:54] blow touch, huh? :) [10:54] tourch [10:54] spaze [10:54] ;/ [10:54] torch ? :) [10:54] that would be vile [10:54] acidchild, I used to do that [10:55] make black oil? :/ ghetto [10:55] back in my chemistry days [10:55] hehe. [10:56] texas tea [10:56] making isolator hash is easier,tho [10:56] isolator? [10:57] well, its probably better to write iceolator [10:58] you basically use ice, so you can extract the good stuff [10:58] http://www.hemp-hotel.com/iceolator/iceolat.htm [10:59] not the best link but the first I could find [10:59] sidmario (n=xxx@189.18.235.215) left irc: Connection timed out [10:59] is the hash talk stilll going ? o.0 [10:59] Also the strangest method of making hash I've ever seen. [10:59] guys, just an OT. does anybody knows what does 1.2.3.0/24 [10:59] Action: slackytude shrugs [10:59] means? [10:59] iceolator [10:59] i get you now :-P [11:00] toytoy: That's actually more on topic :P [11:00] toytoy: network mask [11:00] i mean that is a sample IP but i'm confused that wat does /24 means there [11:00] toytoy: and it roughly means IP addresses between 1.2.3.1 -> 1.2.3.255 [11:00] using 24 bits as subnet mask on 1.2.3.0 [11:00] use the upper 24 bits as the mask for the common netowrk [11:00] more on subject?! URG [11:00] CIDR notation [11:00] eviljames: yeah i'm confused how it became 255 from 24. [11:00] Action: acidchild throws a cisco book at toytoy [11:00] slackytude: If he's asking the question, do you think he's familiar with the words "subnet mask?" :P [11:00] s/setowrk/network [11:00] ohh i see [11:00] toytoy: it has to do with bits. [11:00] toytoy: google: CIDR notation [11:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-138-10.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:01] toytoy: and look for a ipcalc, and a program called ipmap.pl [11:01] eviljames, well [11:01] thanks guys yeah! now i understand. Currently configuring here my iptables [11:01] slackytude: I'm not trying to knock the guy, I'm just saying he's probably never been exposed to that verbiage. [11:02] Now, you were talking about hash? [11:02] eviljames, you are probably right. heh, yeah I was [11:02] toytoy: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596002978/ <- you'll thank me if you acquire this book. [11:02] four weeks ago I smoked the first joint in over 1,5 yeras [11:02] well, maybe you won't thank me. but get it anyway. [11:03] slackytude: bet you where a comma victim [11:03] hash, hashtables, computers, os, slackware - there is a connection :-) let him speak [11:03] remember smoking the first time after 6months of very little weed. [11:03] acidchild, heh, nah [11:03] woah... that room was going to kill me :-/ [11:03] I was careful [11:03] lol [11:03] acidchild: occasinally, people, call me, a, comma, victim. But, only, when I'm, in, a, coma. [11:03] :> [11:04] eviljames: well you see... when your heart rate gets too high [11:04] you dont fair too well.. [11:04] my suggestion, lay off the blow, hookers and meth [11:04] NEVER [11:04] what am I supposed to do all day, then? [11:04] mkay, your life :-) [11:04] Action: acidchild isn't going to stop [11:04] LOL [11:05] slackytude: porn. [11:05] cheap mans hooker. [11:05] heh, lol [11:06] slackytude: eviljames would probly help you out for free [11:07] do I want him to help me out? Im not sure I want eviljames as my hooker [11:07] stop bsing yourself. [11:07] or did you mean as porn peddler? [11:07] lol [11:07] you know exacly what you want him for [11:07] freak [11:08] w...t...f [11:08] ugh, looks like I need to whiskey up my corn flakes. [11:09] LOL wtf, the lyric in this song is "Your Eyes are the size of the moon" [11:09] wow, i bet that get you laid saying that [11:09] I've been that pie-eyed before. [11:09] acidchild: i said it to my gf once -- she went of to the bathroom and had a go at me, being all self concious [11:09] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:09] acidchild: not exactly those words but i said her eyes were big [11:10] get-cX (n=thybridd@adsl-070-148-058-018.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [11:10] my girlfriend has big eyes, she knows it. [11:10] my girlfriend has brown eyes, and she knows it. [11:10] lololol, once told her i think she has a genetic condition [11:10] thank god she can take a joke [11:10] eviljames: 3 of them? :> [11:11] THE BROWN EYE [11:11] acidchild: what happened to talking about hash? [11:11] okey, brb gonna get the bong [11:11] i'll tell you all about it [11:11] heh, keep off my gf's ass. That's private property. Trespassers WILL BE SHOT. [11:11] LOL [11:11] Survivors WILL BE SHOT AGAIN. [11:11] shot with a facial? [11:11] freak [11:11] im still having mouse wheel problems.. i put in the zxmapping "4 5" stuff and it still didnt work [11:12] acidchild: with a 30-06. [11:12] get-cX: are you using imps2 driver, or "Auto" ? [11:12] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.118) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:12] evilsjams: thanks for sharing that url for the book. i'll look ahead on that. [11:12] the slackware community desintegrating in drugs, sex, sin - oh Lord :-) [11:13] toytoy: anytime. [11:13] eviljames: i think its imps2, auto was still commented [11:14] get-cX: and you've added ZAxisMapping "4 5 6 7" ? [11:14] also, if you run xev and scroll the wheel in its window, does it give you any events? [11:15] eviljames: just 4 5 [11:15] Action: compl3x just got a new ash tray thats as heavy as is xbox [11:17] eviljames: i need to add 6 and 7 too [11:17] ? [11:17] eviljames: run xev in root or reg? [11:17] get-cX: Possibly. It can't hurt to try it, but I would suggest using xev first. [11:18] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [11:19] get-cX: as reg user, open a terminal window and ru nit [11:19] then scroll your mouse wheel a bit. This will tell you if X is picking up those events. [11:20] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [11:20] urgh, gtg. bbl. [11:20] eviljames: lol [11:20] GROSS [11:20] losia (n=root@116.68.96.169) joined ##slackware. [11:21] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-140-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:21] Samy1 (i=samyw@92.84.8.79) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:21] eviljames: ok [11:21] brb [11:22] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:22] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) joined ##slackware. [11:22] hey i was trying to reverse patch 2.6.27.7 kernel to 2.6.27 , i did a dry run using "bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.27.bz2 | patch --dry-run -R -p1" but i get the following error "Unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n]" [11:23] any idea what would be causing it [11:23] i was on my way to upgrade my kernel to stable 2.6.29.4 [11:24] all that patching, you would have been better off just download a new source package [11:24] Pig_Pen, i doing for a purpose :P [11:24] *im [11:24] it means you can't dry run the patch. [11:25] back up the folder [11:25] and then patch. [11:25] acidchild, u mean i can test reverse patching ? [11:25] if you bzip the patch down and then try it. [11:25] *can't [11:25] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Success [11:25] try bzip2 -dc patch.gz > patch [11:26] and then try your command without using 'cat' [11:26] http://g.imagehost.org/0714/white_trash_imposter.jpg [11:26] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [11:27] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left ##slackware. [11:27] but if i do that i would be doing a force patch right !! i mean there would be sm problems that patch could hav detected [11:28] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7C8E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] no. [11:29] dios_mio: what's up with the nice brick houses in the background? a trailer park would have been more appropriate? [11:29] pi31415, british white trash :P [11:30] i think the best way is to keep pristine 'base' releases like 2.6.27, 2.6.28, 2.6.29 and then applying patches like 2.6.29.4 on top of them, makes easy to rebuild, compare kernels, and track down problems... [11:30] bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.27.bz2 > patch-2.6.27.patch ; patch --dry-run -R -p1 patch-2.6.27.patch [11:30] losia: ^^ [11:31] pi31415: 'nice brick house' ? [11:31] checking it !! [11:31] got it ! [11:31] acidchild: brick houses are quality compared to trailer parks [11:31] pi31415: ever been to a British council estate? [11:31] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) joined ##slackware. [11:32] never been to the UK [11:32] an Airstream goes for 80,000$ new. [11:32] them houses are like 29GBP sometimes [11:32] 29kGBP [11:32] acidchild: trailer parks have the run down ones from the 50s [11:32] pi31415: hehe. [11:32] gswain (n=Administ@72-24-89-252.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [11:32] acidchild: they paint the trailer with an american or confederate flag to hide the bad spots [11:32] what's wrong with "bzcat patch-2.x.x.bz2 | patch --options"? [11:33] or just throw a tarp over it [11:33] how many processors can the linux kernel effectively handle [11:33] many [11:33] ore than you need in your home [11:33] s/ore/more/ [11:33] I have a friend who runs slamd64 w/ 16 processors [11:34] acidchild, i see not o/p its seem waiting for ever !! [11:34] i was just curious what the theoretical maximum is [11:35] losia: if you were trying to un-patch 2.6.27.7 back to 2.6.27, you should have been using patch-2.6.27.7 with -R [11:35] at least 256 :) [11:35] pi31415: http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/464986123_a9429bb378.jpg?v=0 [11:35] Urchlay can't i test run it ? [11:35] yes you can [11:35] pi31415: these make trailer parks look like luxury [11:35] ;) [11:36] but you were using the wrong patch, from what you said above [11:36] hrm [11:36] 17:36 [11:36] smica (n=smica@h128-180.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [11:36] time for a beer [11:36] Urchlay, i did a dry run using "bzip2 -dc ../patch-2.6.27.bz2 | patch --dry-run -R -p1" but i get the following error "Unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n]" [11:36] acidchild: wow, that looks like something I'd expect in Asia [11:36] got me ! [11:36] yes, because that patch is meant to turn a 2.6.26 kernel into a 2.6.27 kernel [11:37] pi31415: some of them have metal toilets [11:37] and you said you already had it up to 2.6.27.7 (which is after 2.6.27) [11:37] What's wrong with metal toilets? [11:37] they are like luxurious prison cells [11:37] metal toilet seats? [11:37] pi31415: they get *cold* [11:37] in your home?! [11:37] Urchlay, would an idea of ..27 how could it do an upatch ? [11:37] sry !! [11:37] losia: sorry, I've failed to parse that sentence... [11:37] got it [11:38] It seems that they would be more durable than wood or plastic [11:38] durable - yes. that's about it [11:38] pi31415: wood toilet seats would be nasty. You don't use porous material for that... [11:38] pi31415: http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/1880763.jpg [11:38] see, without an idea of previous kernel how could it reveser it to .27 [11:38] Urchlay: my grandparents had an outhouse [11:39] haha [11:39] thats awesome. [11:39] I've seen wood toilet seats in the store.. but they were finished [11:39] pi31415: sure, mine did too. Doesn't mean I want one... [11:39] better than having a toilet where you sleep pi31415 :) [11:39] no 2 doors before the kitchen legalitys on these [11:39] bed, toilet, kitchen, front door [11:39] soild concrete bunker style boxs [11:40] no door between the toilet and kitchen? [11:40] nope [11:40] (my house has 1 door between the toilet and kitchen) [11:40] so I get privacy at least [11:40] yeah :) [11:40] gswain (n=Administ@72-24-89-252.cpe.cableone.net) left ##slackware. [11:40] Urchlay, which one shld i use it to reverse .27.7 to .27 [11:40] so they seriously have a toilet out in the open, no door [11:40] assair in the kitchen [11:40] losia: patch-2.6.27.7 [11:41] pi31415: yep some of them [11:41] like all places, some places are bigger some are smaller [11:41] Urchlay, yep checking it [11:41] even a 50's trailer has a door to the toilet [11:41] the confusing thing about these patches is, they should be named patch--... like patch-2.6.27-2.6.27.7 [11:41] a trailer has land... [11:41] lol [11:42] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d407be8dcc8d4535) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [11:42] so you'd know for sure what they're meant to be applied to [11:42] acidchild: or around here, mud [11:42] Mista_D (i=42cfc442@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-5b3fefde94dfe38a) joined ##slackware. [11:42] instead, the is implicit, you're supposed to Just Know what it is [11:42] smica (n=smica@212.16.128.180) joined ##slackware. [11:42] pi31415: supposidly you can see though them these days. [11:42] as they are renovating them but ran out of money [11:43] so people just use them to party, get fucked up in... like before.. [11:43] same crime rate as before.. cops die on them platforms [11:43] eviljames: i ran it, nothin happened when i scroolled it [11:43] What do people do for self defence? [11:44] say wha? [11:44] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:45] in a trailer park you can keep a wal*mart shotgun by your bed [11:45] same as anywhere, guns, knives, batons. [11:46] walmart sell shotguns :o [11:46] mace, tazers.. [11:46] blaguvest (n=blaguves@c-46a172d5.036-245-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: "Leaving" [11:47] wait up guys - does wallmart sell shotguns? [11:47] cheap, chinese made ones [11:48] I suppose [11:48] :| [11:48] so you can go in there and buy one? [11:48] Im not from the US so I dont know, but why not? [11:48] can walmart sell atomic warhead? [11:49] depends of the state , of course [11:49] compl3x : yes, walmart sells hunting and fishing supplies, including shotguns [11:49] holy crap - im glad im not in the US :/ [11:49] even in Washington and NYC? [11:50] pi31415: that building i showed you is listed now... so it can never be knocked down. [11:50] pi31415: lol heh! [11:50] slackytude : probably not. D.C. has its own regulations [11:50] I thought selling is governed by state laws [11:50] compl3x: same... [11:50] ...not in the North East. WalMart stopped selling guns a couple of years ago. Ammo still, but not guns (in MD, DC, etc.) [11:51] because they are chineses ... [11:51] Urchlay, will i be able to use my old config for 2.6.27.7 with the latest [11:51] get-cX (n=thybridd@adsl-070-148-058-018.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:51] the question to these chinese shotguns is ... [11:52] losia: you run "make oldconfig" to update your config [11:52] complex: which would you rather defend yourself with, a shotgun or a knife? [11:52] ohhh, the wrong silver bullet! [11:52] compl3x : you didn't know that people can own weapons in usa? [11:52] pi31415: depends. Is it a cheap chinese shotgun that jams instead of firing? [11:52] ananke: I knew they could own them .. but buying them at walmart is crazy [11:52] why not? [11:52] compl3x : how is that crazy? [11:52] does it get that inforamtion from /proc ? Urchlay [11:53] i mean oldconfig [11:53] losia: no. It gets it from the file .config in the kernel source directory. You can "zcat /proc/config.gz > .config" to extract it from /proc yourself [11:53] dammit, is there no "kernel HOWTO" doc that explains this stuff? [11:53] Glegnar (n=Glegnar@host86-152-154-223.range86-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [11:54] see Guns-Howto [11:54] Urchlay, i'm just trying to understand the internals !! thats y i m asking althese please don free annoyed !! [11:54] losia: careful when using previous config - do not brute force copy it into the new kernel dir [11:54] feel [11:54] make oldconfig? [11:54] losia: I'm not annoyed at you... but you'd be better off reading some actual documentation instead of getting it secondhand from me [11:56] try this: 1. decompress new kernel, 2. do make defconfing (default config), 3. make menuconfig, 4.and load in the previous/old config, 5. save in the new format - anyone - is this OK? [11:56] Just out of interest - does anyone here use gvim? [11:56] in windows sometimes [11:57] yes [11:57] ok .. but my question was i have my .config file of 2.6.27.7 but if i cat it to present source tree will there be any conflicts [11:57] gvim - yes sometimes (though a memeber of the emacs church) [11:57] ah right - been learning vi recently and found it more apealing on my laptop [11:58] no there won't be any "conflicts" - but you get into problems [11:58] mbohun, got your point [11:58] :) [11:58] there are interdependencies between diff config options - and you will end up with whole subpart of config not showing in the config GUI [11:58] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-165-149.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:58] oh joy. The kernel-HOWTO was removed in 2003, and *still* there's no updated version available [11:58] adding them manually with text editor won't help [11:59] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] losia: you use "make oldconfig" [11:59] the kernel build (make bzImage) will at the beginning of a build remove them from the .config file [12:00] huh? [12:00] http://www.kroah.com/lkn/ [12:00] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-119-36.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:01] this is the modern approach by one of the main kernel developers [12:01] nice [12:01] mbohun, i m cking that link [12:01] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:02] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [12:02] chapter 6-7 upgrading/reconfiguring kernel [12:04] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE7C8E.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [12:08] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-144-254.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl10-166-43.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:10] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-119-36.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:10] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [12:10] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-138-10.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [12:11] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:14] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) joined ##slackware. [12:14] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.138.220.246) left ##slackware. [12:21] stunix (i=1000@213.225.76.177) joined ##slackware. [12:21] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:26] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-f37783f628892329) left irc: [12:30] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.178) joined ##slackware. [12:31] yo :) [12:33] Camarade_Tux: hello. [12:33] ls [12:34] oops wrong winder... [12:34] hey stybla :) [12:34] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] what happend y is that channel is so silent !! after kroah.com link !! is this a norm here !! :P [12:35] monstro (i=1000@201-92-49-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:35] !!! no [12:35] we heard you coming [12:36] Action: pi31415 looks suspiciously at losia [12:36] thrice`, just a jking [12:36] I used to get a lot of flac for setting my IRC username to root [12:36] zox (i=zox@unaffiliated/zox) left ##slackware. [12:36] zox (i=zox@unaffiliated/zox) joined ##slackware. [12:37] pi31415, what happend to the remaining precision of your name !! that seems suspic ...ous :P [12:37] losia: don't expect me to be rational [12:37] y0 Camarade_Tux [12:38] :( [12:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-166-43.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:38] Hi all, [12:38] Is possible installed slackware 12.2 into logical partition ? [12:38] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-249-231.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [12:38] yes [12:39] y0y0 slackytude :) [12:39] slackytude, yes ? [12:39] monstro, yes [12:39] thanks :) [12:39] pi31415, i ws trying to break the silence :( [12:40] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:40] yß firebird619 [12:40] losia: stinky [12:40] y0 slackytude, how are you? [12:41] firebird619, doing fine. how about you? [12:41] hey firebird619 :) how is it going ? [12:41] doing great, thanks. [12:41] How are you Camarade_Tux [12:41] slackytude: tried the new opera snapshot? [12:42] I play with alpha stuff at work,not with my home machine, so, not yet [12:42] how is it? [12:42] firebird619, nice, thanks :) [12:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:43] slackytude: Yeah a new one's out, the beginning workings of the new skin is evident in this one. [12:43] cool [12:43] I was looking forward to that [12:44] in other words, signs that beta is close by because that's when they do stuff like this, change skin, add new features, etc. [12:44] firebird619: y0. [12:44] y0 eviljames, how goes it? [12:45] so? slackware64 is official? anyone using it? need some feedback please :-) [12:45] wow, this is all conky: http://lifehacker.com/5272400/the-colorful-conky-desktop [12:46] he, compare to my desktop ;p [12:46] wow, so much space used for a think gkrellm does in a single row [12:46] zox: I use it daily [12:46] zox: And apparently so does the whole Slackware team (or at least a good portion of them) [12:47] Kaapa, what ? [12:47] Camarade_Tux: the link firebird619 gave [12:47] eviljames: awesome [12:47] whoever sure put alot of time into that conky setup. [12:47] zox: I'm finding it's pretty well flawless. [12:47] Kaapa, yeah, but which thing more precisely ? [12:47] eviljames: is it faster? [12:47] i.e. what does gkrellm do in a single line ? [12:48] Camarade_Tux: *everything* :) [12:48] zox: That depends on your workload [12:48] Camarade_Tux: I mean a singkle row... all those infos can be replaced [12:48] zox: If you're doing a lot of things that take advantage of the 64bittiness (eg md5sum) it should be 2x as fast. [12:49] eviljames: you spend your days doing md5sums? :p [12:49] zox: day to day, it's hard for me to precisely measure the "fasterness" of 64 vs. 32 [12:49] Kaapa: all day, every day. :P [12:49] Kaapa: conky can do that too if you want it too, it's highly configurable. [12:49] firebird619, nice [12:49] idle_ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [12:49] I think the biggest advantage for a 64 bits is the >4Gb mem handling [12:49] since I don't have it yet... :p [12:50] eviljames: i see, what about flash player? i heard is in a alpha/beta state or something like that [12:50] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [12:50] zox: It is beta, but works almost 100% perfect. [12:50] works ok [12:50] zox: Texas Hold 'Em app on Facebook fails partially but that's the only flaw I've seen so far :P [12:50] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "laters yaall" [12:50] it's still sucks as much as on 32bit though :) [12:50] s/'s// [12:51] Kaapa, you mean on display, or on config ? [12:51] eviljames: alright, gonna give it a try, thanks for the info :-) [12:51] idle (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:51] Camarade_Tux: display, of course [12:51] zox: No problem. If you're pretty familiar with the pkgtools it's not difficult to migrate an existing slackware install. [12:51] zox: Note that the package format has changed from .tgz to .txz (the appropriate packages to support that are in a/) [12:52] idle__ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] eviljames: hmm, but i think from 32 to 64 i need a reinstall :-/ [12:52] zox: Or you can boot from the install disc and chroot and manipulate the packages that way... it's up to you, really. If you're not a pkgtools ninja, just reinstall :P [12:53] Kaapa, I don't get how it could display that many things on a single line [12:53] eviljames: i'll test it in the weekend see how it goes [12:53] I pre-ordered slack 13 today [12:53] and a t-shirt [12:53] slackware 13 sounds awesome and spooky [12:53] heh [12:54] hrm [12:54] I should go and do that. [12:54] go [12:54] just dont come back! [12:55] Camarade_Tux: hey, for your s/'s//, why not just "/'s/d" ? [12:55] jeev: Last time I took instructions from you my dog gave birth to a goat. What do you think the odds are I'll be doing that again?! [12:55] hahaha [12:55] poor dog [12:55] It was a chihuahua, no less. [12:55] ouch [12:55] lol [12:55] Do you know what giving birth to a goat DOES to a chihuahua?! [12:56] eviljames, // is faster to type than /d :) [12:56] I dont want to know [12:56] how big was the goat? [12:56] (not sure since /d can be typed in parallel) [12:56] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.106) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Camarade_Tux: // is typed with 1 finger, /d is opposing hands, there's no way // is faster :P [12:57] Then again, your frenchie keyboard layout is probably different... grenouille! :P [12:57] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:57] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:58] lol [12:58] idle__ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:58] eviljames, hehe, 'd' doesn't move ;) [12:58] but if I type "//" rather than "/d", I can use the other hand freely :) [12:59] I have cocoa into the eye ! ='( [12:59] wow....Google Wave: http://lifehacker.com/5272048/google-wave-is-what-email-would-look-like-if-it-were-invented-today :P [13:00] Camarade_Tux: How the heck did that happen? [13:00] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] firebird619, I was scratching my eye with my finger because of pollens but I had touched cocoa just before >< [13:00] firebird619, saw that [13:00] on ars techinca [13:01] slackytude: looks interesting none the less. [13:01] Camarade_Tux: haha, that sucks. [13:01] hopefully, email isn't being invented today :) [13:02] firebird619, but I'll make a nice chocolate milk now :) [13:02] Camarade_Tux: I wouldn't put it past google to reinvent e-mail. :P [13:03] I don't think they're right : email are mostly private, between only two persons, not between groups of persons [13:04] It's gonna be open source. [13:04] open source from google is often not really open source ;) [13:05] (and would *never* fit the Allegro GPL) [13:05] haha, yeah. [13:05] Camarade_Tux: at least it's not M$. ;) [13:05] steppenwolfii (n=greymaus@86-46-192-48-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:06] hey antiwire [13:06] hello! [13:07] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-5-172.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:07] firebird619, at least microsoft's position is clear and everything but ambiguous ;) [13:08] Camerade_Tux: What disqualifies it as open source? [13:08] Just curious because I've used BSD licensed code from Google. [13:08] Action: losia sucessfully patched slackware defaul kernel to 2.6.29.4 yepee . [13:08] idle_ (n=idle@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:08] now, take bowl and spoon, open cacao box, pour one spoon of cocoa into the bowl, now, answer pi31415's question [13:09] chocolate is good [13:09] when would ext4 support dorp in to kernel !! [13:10] pi31415, if you take chrome, it's not open-source, and tha names (chrome/chromium) didn't help at all [13:10] "Cloud computing solutions are more effective than traditional, on-premise solutions and at a fraction of the cost and IT resource requirements." It had better be cheaper if it is replacing an existing investment. [13:10] and google's toolbar, and what google may do with your data doesn't help me trust that company [13:11] losia, it's already in the kernel [13:11] Camarade_Tux: I don't know much about chrome.. I assume it has bits that chromium doesn't? [13:11] Camarade_Tux, but i can't see the optipm [13:11] but, unless you want to crash your machine, you shouldn't use it right now (it's working alright but it's still in beta and a filesystem is really too dangerous in beta) [13:11] in filesystem [13:11] should be there [13:12] or maybe, in general config, there is an option to enable/disable experimental stuff [13:12] pi31415, no idea, *absolutely* no idea and that's my first concern about chrome/chromium [13:12] http://code.google.com/chromium/terms.html [13:13] That's quite a mix [13:14] ext4 isn't beta anymore [13:14] I think sooner or later here I'm going to migrate my root to ext4 [13:14] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-249-231.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:14] it hasn't been beta for a while now [13:14] it's not even listed as experimental anymore [13:14] take sugar, pour two onces of sugar into the bowl, miw [13:15] antiwire, really ? :o [13:15] antiwire: What resolution was there on the data loss issue? [13:15] Action: Camarade_Tux wouldn't trust it either before a few months at least [13:15] Did T'so ever compromise? [13:15] eviljames: what will you gain from it? [13:15] Camarade_Tux, menuconfig of 2.6.29.4 http://imagebin.ca/view/JRpyot.html [13:15] eviljames, yeah, he added a mode (mount-time option) [13:15] pi31415: Oh nothing. But what did my day-to-day computing gain from moving to 64bit? About the same :P [13:15] eviljames: i don't know the details but as far as i do know, it's fixed in the 2.6.30 tree [13:16] oh dear, beer has even gone into the sugar =/ [13:16] eviljames: I definitely like ext3's journal [13:16] I don't trust any of these fs anyway. [13:16] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Which is why everything I need is saved to my osol machine (ZFS > *) :P [13:16] osol [13:16] ? [13:16] Camarade_Tux, oops [13:16] rk4n3: opensolaris [13:16] got it [13:16] aha [13:16] losia: seriously, if you can't see it in your own screen shot you shouldn't use it [13:17] it's there... [13:17] antiwire, got it .. [13:17] I am currently using pax to write split compressed cpio archives to fat or iso9660 filesystems [13:17] rk4n3: I'm an advocate. Run a ug and everything :P [13:17] I'd run opensolaris on my Sun Netra, but it gobbles too much memory and it only has 512M [13:17] oh [13:17] eviljames: sweet :) [13:17] its not zfs but it does work [13:18] it's [13:18] pi31415: zfs has a number of features for data integrity that are missing from these types of systems. [13:18] Action: Dominian wants btrfs [13:18] ie: checksumming the data before & after it is written to the drive. [13:18] Dominian: btrfs is vaporware. [13:18] ;) [13:18] nah [13:18] eviljames: how does that differ from cpio? [13:18] Its linux's answer to zfs [13:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.42.44) joined ##slackware. [13:18] No, it's Oracle's answer to zfs [13:18] who just bought Sun [13:18] So... [13:18] blah blah blah [13:19] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl6-199-123.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [13:20] In the best possible world, Oracle changes the zfs license to GPL and everybody wins. [13:20] because zfs truly does obsolete the current notions of storage management. [13:20] "What else did the Oracle tell you?" [13:20] the nice thing about fat and iso9660 is that just about anyone can read them [13:20] Unless you have a machine with little memory/cpu power :/ [13:20] pi31415: That's true. [13:20] straterra: Also true. [13:20] Oracle changes ZFS to GPL and Solaris Dies [13:20] zfs is a hog in that regard [13:20] rhys: Not true. Solaris has too many other good features. [13:20] eviljames, s/GPL/BSD/ ;) [13:21] Like being slow :P [13:21] if you layer something else on top of them for encryption, compression, integrity checking, etc.. then it can be workable [13:21] straterra: Also not true :P [13:21] straterra: You just cheap out on hw :D [13:21] eviljames, like? where should I actually use Solaris over Linux? [13:21] Action: straterra sticks to IBM mid-grade server hardware [13:21] gui_ap (n=grv@189-19-23-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:22] rhys: Anywhere you want uptime measured in hardware MTBF, anywhere you want services easily managed. Anywhere you want detailed information about /what/ a program is doing and /how/ [13:22] rhys: etc. etc. [13:22] I'm not a marketer, I'm an advocate :P [13:22] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [13:22] rhys: Using OpenSolaris, ZFS and DTrace, a group managed to measure the increased disk latency caused by *shouting* at a rack of drives. [13:22] eviljames: can you document a bad track record for Linux servers? [13:23] pi31415: I wouldn't try to, nor would I say that Linux is a bad choice for servers. [13:23] eviljames: I've only seen good, but I don't run a big shop like google or sourceforge [13:23] eviljames, its not that Solaris is bad, just why would I ever use it over a linux server? [13:23] rhys: if you want to develop and test software for the Solaris platform ? [13:24] rk4n3, um...theres a circular argg *BUZZT* [13:24] rhys: I posted some reasons above. [13:24] uhmmm. Yelling at disks makes them run slower? [13:24] rhys: many companies won't use Linux in large production environments, with Solaris as their only *nix option that they'll accept [13:24] Urchlay: Yes. Increased vibration. Sec I'll find the video. [13:24] rk4n3: boom! That's a great reason. [13:24] "You might want to use Solaris because you went through MIT when they were fans of Sun." [13:24] rk4n3: Also, how about actual binary compatibility. [13:24] Urchlay, http://www.google.co.uk/search?num=50&hl=en&q=yelling at disks makes them slower [13:24] eviljames, but you didn't answer me. Those are good reasons for Solaris AND Linux. Why Solaris NOT Linux. [13:25] eviljames: yeah, that too :) [13:25] rhys: Backwards compatiblity for one. Linux breaks regularly. [13:25] rhys: Need an app to run for 10+ years? Linux is not the right choice. [13:25] osol ftw!!! :P [13:25] hahah I've already infected firebird619 [13:25] eviljames, give you that one. [13:26] rhys: So there is a case to be made for it. I'm not trying to say that linux sucks and solaris rules and nobody should ever think about using anything but solaris. [13:26] eviljames: indeed you have, startup takes a little longer, but once that's done it's a friggen rocketship. :P [13:26] eviljames, anyone who says that about anything usually gets ignored quickly [13:26] eviljames: an in-house app? the runtime will likely be the same between Linux and Solaris. ie: Java, Python, etc. [13:26] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "leaving" [13:27] rhys: also, there are software products that are available for Solaris but not Linux, especially in the "enterprise" category [13:27] That's true in the opposite sense, too, though. There are plenty of pieces of software that run on Linux but won't on Solaris. [13:27] pi31415 : solaris has a longer lifecycle. that means that apps will last longer [13:27] Just a matter, I looked at Solaris as a home NAS. Linux solutions just seemed much easier and just as reliable. And in business... "Enterprises" I know have a hard time realizing Unix exists, since windows everything is the "Industry Standard" [13:27] rhys: False. [13:28] Patently false. [13:28] if it has enterprise in the name its usually crap anyway [13:28] except star trek [13:28] Any business that needs high throughput, high availability etc, do not buy windows. [13:28] eviljames, i've heard of them. On the internet. Just never seen one in real life. I'm surrounded by ineptitude. [13:28] eviljames: indeed - though I think the products most likely to be acceptable and desired in the enterprise are more likely to be the "available on Solaris but not Linux" variety [13:28] eh, the series "enterprise" was pretty crappy too :) [13:28] slackytude : bull [13:28] interesting, 10 years versus 7 years [13:28] eviljames: high availability in Windows isn't really all that bad [13:28] Samy1 (n=Kimmy@92.84.15.8) joined ##slackware. [13:29] ananke, you dont like star trek? [13:29] eviljames: our windows servers perform pretty well [13:29] pi31415, ^^ see what i mean [13:29] http://blogs.sun.com/brendan/entry/unusual_disk_latency [13:29] This is a neat video. [13:29] Urchlay: ^^ [13:29] quit [13:29] slackytude : nothing against star trek, only about your blanket statement about enterprise [13:29] gui_ap (n=grv@189-19-23-159.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [13:29] I get so many who tell me "Windows works well enough" [13:30] pi31415: "pretty well" and "well enough" and all are not measurable performance indicators. [13:30] pi31415: See Zed Shaw's latest insane rant, he makes an excellent case for proper measurement techniques. [13:30] rhys: it's been rock solid, all of my server side problems have come from our "enterprise" software, and never from the operating system [13:31] That "enterprise" software is probably working around the limitations of the os. :P [13:31] ananke, it might be a bit hyperbole but Ive seen plenty of crappy enterprise crap [13:31] There is definitely a whole lot of issues with software, even that purchased at high prices, but in a large organization, the business people make the spending decisions and invariably opt for well-funded, well-backed, commercially-licensed software with an "enterprise approved" type label, unless the org is particularly savvy to the alternatives [13:31] eviljames: In order to protect the guilty, I will refrain from giving details about the "enterprise" software [13:31] losia (n=root@116.68.96.169) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] pi31415: A good policy :D [13:31] slackytude : and i bet you that there is even more crap that's non-enterprise. [13:31] Axius1 (i=samyw@92.84.15.8) joined ##slackware. [13:32] I will say that it uses SQL Server, and the SQL Server side has impressed me [13:32] In spite of the security flaws? [13:32] pi31415, MS SQL? [13:32] enterprise does not mean 'bug free' [13:32] slackytude: yes, MS SQL [13:32] ananke, probably ^-^ but not as pricey [13:32] pi31415, uh, we have that at work. what you like about it? and wich version? [13:32] slackytude : of course. enterprise tag costs. [13:34] MS SQL 2000 enterprise. for us it never breaks down, and it is fast. The proprietary bits seem easier than the Oracle database it replaced. [13:34] I've been recently fighting a battle at work over PGP vs. "Enterprise Cryptography Products" [13:34] rk4n3, ouch [13:34] pi31415, oh well, we use 2005 express [13:34] which is crap [13:34] yeah, its really really rediculously irritating [13:35] rk4n3: That's a really hard fight. [13:35] rk4n3: Because with an enterprise crypto program, if it fails you have someone to blame. [13:35] eviljames: yeah, that's the ever-present "blame card" the business plays with almost all enterprise software arguments [13:35] they degraded the performance for express as part of the business model [13:35] pi31415, no shit [13:35] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] rk4n3: It's important. If they don't have someone to sue, then they'll look for someone to fire. [13:36] If I were doing something from scratch on no budget, I'd be tempted to go with something like postgres. [13:36] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.42.44) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] postgres is nice indeed [13:37] I prefer postgres to all. [13:37] eviljames: I take issue with that observation though - why do they put us through the constant pain of "we must have a concensus among all business stakeholders" then ? With that, any prospect of blame should be out the window [13:37] sqlite is nice when it is adequate [13:37] mysql doesn't bother me [13:37] true [13:37] rk4n3: Man, I'm a technical person, not one of those business drones. [13:38] rk4n3: Otherwise I might have an answer. It's really (I think) because you have a half dozen stupid people in the room that want their voice heard. [13:38] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.3) joined ##slackware. [13:38] mysql is good if you do backups [13:38] hm. And he's yelling at only one of those drives... [13:38] eviljames: I'm technical too ... but we all serve at the altar of the business, right ? [13:38] eviljames: :)( [13:38] or maybe more than one, but nowhere near all of them [13:38] and you do not mind enforcing referential integrity by hand [13:38] rk4n3: Whether they know what they're saying is irrelevant, just as long as they vibrate enough air to tickle an eardrum. [13:38] and doing error checking by hand [13:38] and so on [13:38] Urchlay: He's yelling at a 48 drive machine [13:38] pi31415, aye [13:38] Urchlay: Or something along those lines, and they can *still* measure the increased latency. [13:39] eviljames: yeah, also I think 5 out of that half dozen thinks that every opinion is equal, too [13:39] eviljames: yeah, but his mouth isn't much bigger than one drive, is what I mean... [13:39] Urchlay: Which is why I find the video so impressive :P [13:39] yeah [13:39] wonder how he got the idea to even try that? [13:39] it's not something that would occur to me [13:39] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:40] hm. Methinks seeing this in strace output is a bad sign: [13:40] open(NULL, O_RDONLY|O_NONBLOCK) = -1 EFAULT (Bad address) [13:40] hahah, looks like it :P [13:41] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] actually the program runs just fine (stracing it to find out where the heck it looks for its config file) [13:41] but still, I'd count that as a bug [13:41] File it. [13:42] Better yet, figure out why that's happening and submit a patch. [13:42] dunno if snes9x is even still being developed [13:43] I have had to hand hold crappy embedded databases and old cobol/isam applications [13:43] "well enough" and "pretty well" has a lot of meaning in contrast [13:43] just looking for a SNES emulator that can be built 64-bit native (zsnes doesn't qualify) [13:43] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@annina.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:45] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:46] my java mate now got the hang out of IRIX unix [13:46] lol ;) [13:46] altho I got a text yesterday asking me how to go up a directory in command line [13:47] wow, irix [13:47] funny you should mention irix. yesterday i almost bought an sgi o2 at a thrift store. ironically enough, it's the same one i sent to surplus years ago [13:47] Im glad for him, he was kinda frustrated [13:47] heh, this one is 8+ years old, afaik [13:47] slackytude, you only need '..', right ? ;) [13:47] ananke: what? [13:47] Camarade_Tux, heh, yeah [13:47] Dominian : sgi o2. have you ever seen those? [13:47] ananke: You sent a box to surplus.. and then find the same one in a thrift store? [13:47] complete with Lotus notes [13:48] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-130.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] that's messed up [13:48] ananke: no.. I haven't actually at least I don't think I have [13:48] IRritating nIX [13:48] Dominian : yes. it actually originally went to math department, then they sent it to surplus. somebody bought it [must have been at the latest auction, last week], and didn't know what they had - so they gave it to the thrifst store [13:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ananke: haha that's funny [13:49] ooooooo [13:49] sgi o2 [13:49] the "octane" machines. [13:49] Yes.. I've seen those :).. used to work on them at my old job [13:49] i almost bought it, it was $1.50. hell, at work i still have the scsi drive with sled. the line was too long, so i left and came back later, it was already gone [13:49] all it needed was memory and that drive [13:49] someone mentioned the hp 2100 the other day so I read about it.. I had no idea that a multi-user BASIC operating system existed [13:49] well sgi o2 were the predecessor to the Octane [13:49] whut? $1.5? [13:50] yes, $1.50 [13:50] thats a good deal [13:50] and yes, i should have waited in line [13:50] yes.. you should've [13:50] aye [13:50] or go back to that thrift store and see if its there still [13:50] ananke: how much ram/drive space? [13:50] even as a piece of history: it had virginia tech inventory stickers, george mason university stickers [that's who gave us a few of those o2s] [13:51] Dominian : the original scsi drive was i think 4 or 8GB. and i think it used to have 256M [13:51] ram [13:51] oh [13:51] I would make someone pay me before I took one of those [13:51] I couldn't do much with that then hehe [13:51] Dominian : i did go back. it was gone [13:51] damn [13:52] did I alreay tell you that I preordered slack 13 to day? [13:52] I have an old IBM server that runs some god aweful ancient AIX if you want it :P [13:52] Action: slackytude is so proud [13:53] http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2009/05/eclipse-survey-results-show-growth-in-linux-open-source.ars [13:53] slackytude : we used to have IBM SP/2 [think deep blue], until couple of years ago. we finally sent that off to surplus [13:53] ananke, not a bad machine [13:53] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] kinda old now [13:53] slackytude, I pre-ordered slack 13 today [13:53] well, it's essentially a cluster of machines [13:53] that was one hour ago :) [13:54] Camarade_Tux, well, its me first [13:54] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) joined ##slackware. [13:54] init[1] (n=init[1]@unaffiliated/akber/x-5446599) left irc: Client Quit [13:55] I do not know anyone who uses Java [13:55] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:55] pi31415, as end-user or coder? [13:55] Action: ananke knows tons [13:55] i wonder if it is a regional thing, kind of like how Linux is more commonly used in South American governments [13:56] aye [13:56] slackytude: business [13:56] iirc, France just migrated the police force to Linux exclusively. [13:56] eviljames, not regular police [13:56] eviljames, WRONG ! [13:56] and Europe is extremely FLOSS friendly. [13:56] slackytude, right :) [13:56] eviljames, some sort of special branch [13:56] Camarade_Tux: I was hoping someone a little more local would correct me on that. Details? [13:56] I know they use java application servers at Cox [13:56] not a special branch, just not police but gendarmerie [13:56] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: "ircN 8.00 for mIRC (20080809) - www.ircN.org" [13:56] Like a national patrol of some kind? [13:57] Not unlike our own RCMP? [13:57] not really that [13:57] RCMP? [13:57] royal canadian mounted police [13:57] I've seldom hear anyone say something nice about java application servers [13:57] frech foreign legion :P [13:57] slackytude: Royal Canadian Mounted Police. (aka mounties, you know those dudes with the red outfits & funny hats) [13:57] heard [13:57] ah, ok [13:57] eviljames, yeah, afaik, it's the same [13:57] basically they are "cops" iirc [13:57] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:57] they be pigs! Canadian bacon! [13:57] more often I hear comments like "websphere is a pain" [13:57] Java probably has to be the closest thing to a "leader" language-wise in real-world business application development right now (though maybe its on its down-slope by now) [13:57] pi31415, they are crap, imho, but I know several who use and develop on it [13:58] pi31415 : websphere is a pain. that's why there are other products, such as jboss [13:58] Dominian: Bigger cities maintain their own police forces. RCMP are a national organization of regional police forces. Or something along those lines :P [13:58] ah [13:58] they aren't cops, they are military but have basically the same role as regular police [13:58] rk4n3, .net might eat into java's share. but I wont go so far as to say its in decline [13:58] er.. yeah [13:58] Camarade_Tux, military police? [13:59] dios_mio (i=FREELOVE@88.243.197.133) left irc: "The universe is not real, only possible." [13:59] I have the impression of Java being resource hungry compared to LAMP [13:59] slackytude, no [13:59] slackytude: yeah, I'm not sure either - just guessing by what I see around me - I actually think PHP has taken a bigger share of Java's pie than .Net so far [13:59] rk4n3, horrible thought [13:59] that it needs more operators to run smoothly [13:59] slackytude: no likey PHP ? [14:00] Camarade_Tux, people here who scream bloody murder if you try to give military policing authority [14:00] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] that php, java or .net are leading in the field makes me equally sad ;) [14:00] rk4n3, as a replacement for java? not really [14:00] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.35.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:00] I've never met someone who has used both Jboss and LAMP to give an opinion [14:00] slackytude: As they should. The military is there to protect the country from threats. NOT policing/enforcing laws. [14:01] eviljames, seems like that view aint shared in france [14:01] slackytude: It's a horrid waste to deploy the military on home soil aggressively against their own citizens. [14:01] eviljames, agreed. [14:01] slackytude: ah, I've actually found PHP to be quite lean, fast, and a decent language - Java has some advantages in some areas, but I rarely find that they justify the bloat, especially for apps that are less-than-huge [14:01] altho military has a role in disaster recovery [14:02] slackytude: That's not an aggressive deployment, though. We'd agree here. [14:02] aren't monties militaries too ? [14:02] rk4n3, yeah, php is nice, since version 5 onwards or so. but I dont see how it could replace java. there seems to be little overlap [14:02] Camarade_Tux: No. The mounties are a police force, not a military force. [14:02] Judging by the number of errors I run into on web site, I see ASP the most, PHP second most, and Java 3rd most [14:03] sites [14:03] slackytude: I'd agree with you about php v. Java as well. Java web apps are plenty handy, and super easy to develop. [14:03] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:03] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.97) joined ##slackware. [14:03] objects flowing naturally through the code without stupid hackery. [14:03] There's nothing like seeing an ASP or PHP error when trying to add something to your shopping cart. "Yeah.. I trust this site's security..." [14:03] Plus you can hire cs grads right out of college on the cheap, because every college teaches java ;P [14:03] pi31415, heh [14:03] uh, yeah [14:03] slackytude: I see your point - you'd hardly want to write a "lean" app in Java, or a "large/complex" app in PHP ... but I guess I've always envisioned that instead of "replacement" per se, we'd eventually see gravitation to more reasonably-scoped apps, which would naturally lead them toward solutions like PHP [14:04] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.178) joined ##slackware. [14:04] rk4n3: They're both niches. Big Intranet site that handles core business functions? Java. Small, client-facing site that needs a touch of dynamic content? PHP. [14:04] eviljames: plus, nobody gives bigger stack dumps than java [14:04] rk4n3, good theory Id say. [14:05] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) joined ##slackware. [14:05] Action: slackytude gets another beer [14:05] anyway, what's the difference that military does the same thing as police ? (PLUS they are uncommon in towns and happen to be only in rural parts) [14:05] eviljames: indeed - that's the "lay of the land", but I think those core business functions should be more SOA, and not provided by the web infrastructure, hence Java would lose its relevance [14:05] from wikipedia, "The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) (French: **endarmerie** royale du Canada [GRC]" ;) [14:05] the police are local, the military are mobile and have bigger guns? [14:05] phaidros1 (n=phaidros@port-92-206-202-128.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:05] s/\*\*/G**/ [14:06] Camarade_Tux: Just for the sense of "armed gentlemen" [14:06] pi31415, no, no real difference [14:06] police is for policying the citizens. military is for external conflicts [14:06] ananke: ++ I was just typing something longer, but that's a better summary. [14:06] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:06] and we don't have an insanely big army so it's not going to be overwhelming anyway [14:06] camarade_tux: the police shoot tasers rather than rocket launchers? [14:06] Camarade_Tux, are they trained to do that? in most countries its a violation to use military. it smells like oppresion [14:07] but gendarmerie doesn't use any special weapons ! [14:07] phaidros1 (n=phaidros@port-92-206-202-128.dynamic.qsc.de) left ##slackware. [14:07] phaidros1 (n=phaidros@port-92-206-202-128.dynamic.qsc.de) joined ##slackware. [14:07] obviously, you have a different system. [14:07] how did they come into live? I imagine its a pretty old institution [14:07] If the military was deployed on home soil, they'd probably end up shooting me. [14:07] gendarmerie is well-seen here, they play a real role in rural parts of France (and do not forget DOM/TOM [depts/territories not in Europe]) [14:08] Because I'd be protesting every minute of every day until the deployment ended. [14:08] eviljames: did the Waco, TX incident count as military action on home soil? [14:08] I quite never got the reason of having gendarmerie and police, I don't really get the difference [14:08] Camarade_Tux: The RCMP are relatively equivalent to that, except they're ONLY for enforcing laws within the country. The military is for defending the country against external threat. [14:08] Camarade_Tux, thats the whacky thing with you france dudes. you always revolt and create a system which is just as bad as the one you overthrew [14:08] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.39.97) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:09] I believe Waco was seen as law enforcement, not military action [14:09] pi31415: Not for me (canuck). Besides I don't think so anyway. [14:09] rk4n3, atf [14:09] ... I think SWAT was used in Waco, as well [14:09] rk4n3, ATF [14:09] waco wasn't military [14:09] slackytude, and afaik, gendarmerie is really distinct from other parts of the military forces so I guess they are trained as policemen [14:09] ATF [14:09] aha [14:09] ahh, if it was the ATF then it wasn't military at all.. [14:09] forgot about that [14:09] it was federal, and they did use big guns [14:09] slackytude, I haven't seen a gendarme in months if not years [14:09] let's not forget Ruby Ridge either [14:09] Waco and Ruby Ridge [14:09] lol [14:09] heh, yeah [14:10] phaidros1 (n=phaidros@port-92-206-202-128.dynamic.qsc.de) left ##slackware. [14:10] they shot the dog..for fsck sake [14:10] toastytoast (n=toast@208.233.36.250) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:10] and they happen to be military but they are muuuuuuuuuch closer policemen [14:10] Camarade_Tux, different then. still, where did the gendameri come from? [14:10] Camarade_Tux: France is a weird place :P [14:10] slackytude, centuries ago ? [14:10] althos, iirc, the sniper in waco was FBI [14:10] I guess it just stayed like that [14:10] Camarade_Tux, right [14:11] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:11] I bought a ceramic plated steel pot that was made in France, probably the best quality cooking utensil I owned [14:11] eviljames, didn't have time to read more of the wikipedia page : "federal, national, and **paramilitary** police force of Canada" ;) [14:11] i so thought you were going to say ceramic breast plates [14:11] hi. who's in charge of the slackware packages on current? i would like to suggest adding the qt html doc [14:11] Camarade_Tux: Taht would be the case of national internal strife, ie: terrorism. [14:11] actually, the sniper was both at Waco and Ruby Ridge [14:11] pi31415, we need good ustensils to cook that well ;) [14:12] josteint_: volkerdi@slackadelic.com [14:12] Camarade_Tux: Read up on the FLQ crisis, when Canada actually invoked the War Measures Act and declared martial law. [14:12] antiwire: what, some kind of bullet proof armor? [14:12] slackytude: FBI sniper incident was Ruby Ridge [14:12] pi31415: yeah [14:12] SpacePlod, same sniper, afaik [14:12] at Waco? [14:12] shit [14:12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lon_Horiuchi [14:12] yeah [14:12] josteint_: ignore that [14:13] josteint_: volkerdi@slackware.com [14:13] <--- freakin' retard [14:13] Dominian, lol [14:13] I could create that and forward it I guess lol [14:13] hehe [14:13] Dominian: Fingers are just programmed to type certain things, eh? [14:13] eviljames: hehe apparently [14:14] wikipedia says the word "gendarme" comes from the 12th century [14:14] funny, that the dudes in ##slackware should comment on waco and ruby [14:14] happens to me all the time :wq ... "dammit. MS Word doesn't support that..." [14:14] eviljames: haha [14:14] weird how that works. 95% of the time if I go to type "myself", it comes out "mysql" [14:14] So I was talking to msyql the other day, and people thought I was crazy! [14:14] exactly [14:14] eviljames, btw, remember that french policemen who looked terrible, with a hand on his holster ? he was not a policeman but a gendarme (CRS more specifically) [14:14] It works pretty much the same. [14:15] hmmm... "I hate my life so much, I'm going to kill mysql"... you're right [14:15] Urchlay: I had to write a rule in Word.. years ago when I was in college.. to check for the word "shit" in my papers I was writing... [14:15] Camarade_Tux: I don't recall that offhand, actually. Right now the RCMP have a _bad_ reputation in Canada... they're stuck in a quagmire of corruption and violence :/ [14:15] Urchlay: I had a strange habit that when I was typing "this" I would type "shit" instead.. actually turned in a few papers like that.. with marks circling the words with ????? all over the page. [14:16] HAHAHAHA Dominian, that's excellent. [14:16] eviljames, whut? those nice mounties? Im shocked! [14:16] slackytude: hahaha I take it you're Canadian. :P [14:16] Dominian: in high school I got suspended for accidentally putting 'PRINT "Insert dick in drive A:"' in a program for a class... [14:16] eviljames, no [14:16] eviljames: had to retype one of my english papers because of it hehe [14:16] Urchlay: hahaha [14:16] nobody would believe it was an accident [14:16] Urchlay, freudian! [14:17] Urchlay, you were thinking about inserting your dick into a "drive" [14:17] (heh, and just now I typed "assident", but caught it before hitting enter) [14:17] slackytude: The most prominent incident happened at the airport in Vancouver, 4 mounties killed a guy, then lied on their reports. Then testified that they didn't lie on their reports. Then had their reports refuted by video evidence, at which time they proceeded to continue lying. [14:17] slackytude: No charges filed. [14:17] some would call that freudian slip, I'm sure [14:18] (dick in drive A:, that is) [14:18] eviljames, of course! cant charge the police. obviously, the guys who faked the video must be thrown into jail [14:18] slackytude: Since that incident, one of those 4 mounties actually killed a second guy. Driving drunk with his kids in the car he ran over a 19yo on a motorcycle, then fled the scene. [14:18] noris_can (i=4c642e77@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1db85589fdef5f58) joined ##slackware. [14:18] slackytude: He was put on desk duty. [14:18] eviljames, that sucks [14:18] Shameful, I know. [14:18] eviljames, you hear lot of stories like that, tho. that seems to have increased in recent years [14:18] man.. back in the old days.. that guy would've been lynched [14:19] There may have been charges filed for the DUI one. [14:19] eviljames, ouch, quite surprising [14:19] I have a mirrored disk from a raid. Trying to mount the ext file system on it and I can't see the partition. fdisk fails. Anyone know how I can get at the data? [14:19] Action: Camarade_Tux finished quick reading the FLQ story [14:20] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A738A1.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [14:20] bah [14:20] exbio (n=exi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [14:21] and since we're talking about monties and canadians, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpxQp3Hy5nk&feature=PlayList&p=CDFEA6D52E5CC0EC&index=9 :) [14:22] moris_can: do you mean that you only have one side of the mirror? [14:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edaJP3Lp0Gg <- /me wonders how many people will get rickroll'd by this [14:22] you know I still have no idea why that's called "rickrolling" [14:22] pi31415: yes. I only have one disk. [14:22] Urchlay: Originally it was a stupid duck with wheels [14:23] Urchlay: and itw as called a duckroll. [14:23] rick from Rick Astley, and rolling... [14:23] Camarade_Tux: wrong. [14:23] who the hell is rick astley? [14:23] the disk is in the last bin [14:23] the guy in the video [14:23] rick roll! [14:23] Urchlay: So people would post in a forum: "What video is xyz..." and the response would be this stupid video of a duck rolling around (hence: duckroll). [14:23] SpacePlod: did the disk originally have a partition table? [14:23] eviljames, why wrong ? [14:23] Urchlay: It was eventually modified to have that idiotic give you up son, which became a RickRoll. [14:23] Camarade_Tux: Because the origins come from the duck roll :P [14:23] but rick comes from rick XP [14:24] haha, yeah that part is right [14:24] pi31415: was that question for me? [14:24] just keeping up with the terminology the cool kids use would be a full time job for me, I don't bother... [14:24] the good part about having only alsa and having mplayer running is that flash is muted ;) [14:24] noris_can: yes, sorry [14:24] pi31415: I'm in the wrong window. That was for another channel. [14:24] noris_can: I think he was addressing you. [14:24] well, often muted [14:25] Camarade_Tux: for better, Canadian, content regarding Lumberjacks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekqsHP9Sck [14:25] Camarade_Tux: This was on between TV shows, or instead of commercials a LOT during my childhood :P [14:25] I think it had a partition table. it was just a h/w raid setup. [14:25] eviljames, hahaha, you must have been traumatized ;p [14:25] noris_can: I would expect you to activate the software RAID using mdadm before you mounted the filesystem [14:25] hard ware raid setup? [14:26] Camarade_Tux: No way. I hear 3 notes from it and I get all weepy and nostalgic! [14:26] Action: Camarade_Tux will watch it for real in 3 minutes, after that Disturbed song [14:26] pi31415: it was hardware I think [14:26] There are only 2 good Disturbed songs, and they're both covers. [14:26] :P [14:26] noris_can: oh, I can't help then, sorry [14:26] I only listen to full albums [14:26] noris_can: was it linux raid or hardware raid? [14:26] ah [14:26] hw [14:26] you need to consult the documentation for your RAID card then [14:27] I think that's Tool which made me do that, a Tool single is average, a full albums is ... [14:27] however, it should just work even after a single disk failure [14:27] Camarade_Tux: Tool albums I _must_ listen cover to cover.. it's hard to pick just 1 good song from any of them. [14:27] antiwire: thanks. I'm not sure what the hw raid it was. it's from a school server that is long gone and we only have this disk from a desk drawer [14:27] I like the latest Information Society album titled Synthesizer [14:27] losia (n=root@116.68.96.169) joined ##slackware. [14:27] it's cheesy, but it's supposed to be [14:27] anyone know the name of the show or channel that is on directv in the morning that shows sunrises....i thought it was Sunrises Across The Globe or something but i cant come close to finding anything close on google [14:28] noris_can: sounds like you're screwed then [14:28] eviljames, but, but, that's awful ! [14:28] :`( [14:28] Camarade_Tux: Tool is awful? Lay off the crackpipe dude. [14:28] (the log driver's thing) [14:28] nfermat (i=501@unaffiliated/nfermat) joined ##slackware. [14:28] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ekqsHP9Sck <- that [14:28] nfermat (i=501@unaffiliated/nfermat) left ##slackware. [14:28] thanks for trying. [14:28] noris_can (i=4c642e77@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-1db85589fdef5f58) left ##slackware. [14:29] Camarade_Tux: oh hahahaha [14:29] Camarade_Tux: It's not awful, it's classic. [14:30] backnight_ (n=backnigh@201-15-141-28.cslce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:30] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:30] eviljames, no, it's ill-treating children ! [14:30] can you help me figure where i can choose the process scheduling options in the kernel !! i mean i found it when i compiled it previously , in 2.6.29.4 im bit lost [14:31] any clue under which option ! generel setup seems not the hv that [14:31] one of the first three main menus iirc [14:32] that is terrible [14:32] losia: if you're building your own kernel you should really just look around the whole menuconfig...it is menu driven after all... [14:32] you can search as well [14:32] or use the stock kernel as it is already ready already [14:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [14:32] antiwire, yes i knw that .. i have compiled all my previous kernel , but i can find that option of scheduling .. [14:32] seriously im bit lost !! [14:32] You're looking to use something other than CFQ? [14:33] eviljames, like we can optimize kernel for server performace at process level [14:34] eviljames, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sBWQeLmrTs (a few pics nsfw) [14:34] i knew that option but i can't find it !! [14:34] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [14:34] (the clip is not official anyway but can be funny to watch) [14:34] steppenwolfii (n=greymaus@86-46-205-16-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] losia, also do you know '/' in make menuconfig ? [14:34] losia: block layer -> IO Schedulers [14:35] steppenwolfii (n=greymaus@86-46-205-16-dynamic.b-ras1.pgs.portlaoise.eircom.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:35] losia: Or are you thinking about pre-emption modes? [14:35] yes exactly [14:35] eviljames, [14:35] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-88.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:36] losia: Processor type -> Preemption mode [14:36] ... [14:36] it's a freaking menu with a search ability...wtf [14:36] antiwire: It's hard to search if you don't know what the word you're looking for is :/ [14:36] antiwire: Though, /Server would've done him some good :P [14:37] which is where the "menu" part comes in [14:37] antiwire, at times u will also be lost - no matter how expert a person is :( [14:37] i won't be lost in a menu [14:37] it's all right there [14:37] antiwire, i could hav greped the make file !! [14:37] they might change locations or names but if you just look through it it's there [14:38] losia: could've grepped .config [14:38] losia: you don't need to grep a Makefile, you can grep the config [14:38] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:38] sorry i mean the .cofig [14:38] ut oh [14:38] antiwire. [14:38] *conf [14:39] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A771E2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [14:41] anyone good with sed? [14:41] mkeil (i=marcel@juniper.main.us-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] heret|c, just ask [14:42] s/no/yes [14:42] Samy1 (n=Kimmy@92.84.15.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] trailing / ? [14:42] -e '1,/no/d' -e '1,/yes/d' [14:42] alright i got a set of long strings, with %2Fpath%2Fto%2Ffiles [14:42] antiwire, eviljames which is the most used cryptographic api .. i mean shld i include all those !! afik sha and crc are needed [14:42] todakure (n=todakure@189.114.209.171) joined ##slackware. [14:42] Axius1 (i=samyw@92.84.15.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] losia: It's not going to hurt you to include them all, or at least as [14:43] Action: Camarade_Tux has almost no crypto module [14:43] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] losia: Especially as in fact, module loading has next to zero tangible latency. [14:43] eviljames, but is always better to knw what all are need [14:43] and the only way i can get sed to consume each %2F is with piping over and over. one -e s/%2F/"\/"/g only consumes one %2F [14:43] :) [14:43] any way [14:43] depmod (iirc) hurts on boot, it's quite I/O intensive [14:43] heret|c: use # instead of / for your delimitor [14:43] module .. as usualy [14:44] heret|c: It'll look a little cleaner, at least. [14:45] ok. [14:45] heret|c: -e "s#%2F#/#g" might be the ticket. [14:45] is to change the - with-pgsql in phpX.tgz installed? [14:45] i'll give it a shot [14:45] my two cents; I keep the crypto modules that I use for booting my LUKS as Y instead of M [14:45] is possible [14:45] or need to recompile ? [14:45] antiwire: a worthy kernel inclusion, I'd say. [14:46] todakure: I'd bet recompile. [14:46] with sed, I usually use ' instead of ' [14:46] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:46] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77B65.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] echo Hello, people! [14:46] eviljames, that done it [14:46] Wazuuuuup?! [14:46] sweetness [14:46] bah [14:46] heret|c: sweeeeet. [14:46] twanny796 (n=chatzill@195.158.124.102) joined ##slackware. [14:47] where can i get *quickly* jse v 1.42 ?? [14:47] lol [14:49] backnight_ (n=backnigh@201-15-141-28.cslce701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [14:50] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Action: losia finally compiling 2.6.26.4 on slackware, losia thanks all the supporters ! :) [14:51] eviljames, oh and that made me "dangerous" : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iF96BunNIw [14:51] *2.6.29.4 oops .!! [14:52] jmoncayo (n=steven@190.152.31.67) joined ##slackware. [14:52] anyone played with the new Kismet yet? [14:52] losia: India? [14:52] it's nice [14:52] ttyX (n=slacker@115.108.13.72) joined ##slackware. [14:52] ok this is scary it says it can't load jfs.ko module [14:53] where did i go wrong? [14:53] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:53] eviljames !! proxy !! [14:53] ttyX: Didn't make the jfs module. [14:53] eviljames: its the stock kernel [14:53] oh. [14:53] generic-smp [14:53] Nick change: e01_ -> e01 [14:53] hey guys, anyone here willing to help me with iptables, i am setting up for a firewall for transparent squid http://pastebin.ca/1439949 does it look right? [14:54] lsmod | grep jfs returns nothing [14:54] losia: I just notice because of the !!, last I saw someone doing that they were Indian. [14:54] mkinird went fine [14:54] mkinitrd* [14:54] ttyX: tres bizarre. [14:55] ttyX: modprobe --list | grep jfs [14:55] eviljames, i thinks indians have that slang during talk ! [14:55] try upgradepkg --reinstall a/kernel-modules-*tgz [14:56] sourceforge bought ohloh... [14:57] antiwire: that returns the module path [14:57] well now isn't that strange [14:57] /lib/modulees/2.6..... [14:57] ttyX: Can you insmod -f it? [14:57] durr [14:57] wait [14:57] modprobe -f [14:58] invalid parameters [14:59] fatal error [14:59] invalid argument [15:00] slackytude2 (n=slacky@p57A738A1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:00] now for reinstalling modules shall I go for DVD or the repo? [15:01] either/or [15:01] slackpkg is probably the easiest solution [15:01] (I hate myself for saying that) [15:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-221.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:02] I hope that'll fix it [15:02] I guess I should stop my rampant opposition to automatic tools sooner or later. Move into the 21st century and all. [15:03] stillborn (n=stillbor@dsl-kpobrasgw1-ff71c100-46.dhcp.inet.fi) joined ##slackware. [15:03] I still don't get it what went wrong [15:03] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:04] it could be a silent write error... could be anything. [15:04] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:04] ttyX, imho you should compile a kernel for your self [15:04] loook at me for past 4hrs hav been patching and compiling !! :) [15:05] doesn't a kernel only takes 5 minutes to compile ? :P [15:05] last time I compiled akernel was like a year ago [15:05] Camarade_Tux, it depends of the processor right ! [15:05] i mean the time . [15:05] my cpu isn't very fast ;) (but it's not too old) [15:05] mine takes ages [15:06] make -j 12 [15:06] err -j12 [15:06] parallelize it [15:06] eviljames, both work [15:06] -j3 for me [15:06] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] Camarade_Tux: Oh, I thought it had to be pressed together. My make-fu is not as strong as I thought :P [15:07] perhaps I shoul try the unified kernel [15:07] the one with NT shit in it? [15:07] I wanna see how bsod looks like in linux [15:07] heh [15:07] well, that pre-empts my huge "WHY?!?!?!?!?!" [15:08] eviljames, actually '-j 12', with a space, would be the most correct form ;) [15:09] twanny796 (n=chatzill@195.158.124.102) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.16/2009040213]" [15:09] Camarade_Tux: Duly noted. [15:09] Camarade_Tux, im now compiling it without space :P [15:09] no problems here [15:09] hahaha : compile a kernel with 'make -j' ;p [15:09] yes [15:09] make -j4 [15:09] i mean what i did [15:09] "If the -j option is given without an argument, make will not limit the number of jobs that can run simultaneously." <- that would be a fork bomb ;p [15:10] hey Camarade_Tux hows your browser coming btw :p [15:11] ttyX, I need to work on the bindings to webkit-gtk this week-end, then it should come really quickly :) [15:11] Action: ttyX can hardly wait ;) [15:11] Camarade_Tux: bahahahahah awesome [15:11] hope it hasn't got shitload of deps [15:12] they scare the crapout of me [15:12] (the part that annoys me is that ocaml compilers aren't widespread on slackware but hopefully, ocaml compiles the ocaml part statically so redistribution is easy) [15:12] ttyX, webkit-gtk deps and that would be the only runtime deps [15:12] cool [15:12] eviljames, hmmm, gotta try make -j on my kernel, I guess firefox will be oom-killed :p [15:12] I stillwonder why they went with GTK [15:12] who ? [15:13] Google [15:13] afaik chromefor linux is gtk [15:13] are they really going with anything ? if chromium uses skia as a rendering back-end, then only very small parts are actually using gtk and porting could be quite easy [15:14] Action: Camarade_Tux runs 'make -j' now [15:14] ttyX: I'd expect it has somethign to do with lowest common denominator. [15:15] don't suppose chrome's written in C? [15:15] The gimp toolkit sounds like something that people will have on their system. [15:15] 'cause Qt would require C++ [15:15] QT is sweet [15:15] Qt* [15:15] as a user, Qt is sweet to use [15:15] Indeed. It's hard to pronounce it like "Cute" though. [15:16] "I'm writing a program in Cute!" [15:16] ugh [15:16] as a developer, eh, well, I really don't enjoy C++ (prefer C) [15:16] eviljames [15:16] Urchlay, qt is heavy it seems [15:16] cute is gay lol [15:16] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [15:16] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:16] ttyX: That's how you pronounce Qt, though. :P [15:16] argh, brain's startin to hurt [15:16] noahm (n=frodo@spider.morgul.net) joined ##slackware. [15:16] GTA gay edition is also coming :p [15:16] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [15:17] lol [15:17] whats the command to cut off a line up to a given delimiter [15:17] starring eviljames! [15:17] really? I've always said (and heard said) the initials, Q T [15:17] uva (i=bno@118-160-161-159.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] heret|c: cut [15:17] brb [15:17] cut [15:17] Know of a flexible and free report writer? [15:17] ttyX (n=slacker@115.108.13.72) left irc: "leaving" [15:17] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] dur lol... thanks Urchlay [15:18] cut -d"/" -f3 [15:19] one thing I wish "cut" had: a syntax for counting fields starting from the right side [15:19] (or does it, and I'm just unaware?) [15:19] wouldn't this lilo.conf allow me the boot multiple kernel http://pastebin.com/md6e120 [15:19] Urchlay: counting fields? That's not really its task... [15:20] eh, the -f parameter's field counting. -f1 gives you field #1, -f1-3 gives you 1 thru 3 [15:20] losia: as a bare minimum, perhaps. man lilo.conf for better options [15:20] Urchlay: it works when you reverse the string. Don't know the command for that though [15:20] rev [15:20] Urchlay: Oh, I thought you wanted it to return the number of fields. [15:20] Urchlay: thanks :) [15:20] eviljames, i stripped it out before pasting ! i think that would work [15:21] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:21] :) [15:21] eviljames: yeah, I just want a "give me the last field" option (and also "2nd to last", etc) [15:21] losia: Only issue I can forsee is the label having spaces. [15:21] someone here sprays lysol after using the restroom.. the fumes spread down the hall, through the break room, down another hall, and into my office, and they give me a head ache [15:21] saw no message after mine >< [15:21] hmm . [15:21] it's really a *very* effective fork bomb >< [15:21] lysol is evil [15:21] echo $string | rev | cut -f1 | rev <--- works, but is a bit of a hack [15:21] Camarade_Tux: ahahahhahahahaha [15:22] lysol doesn't actually neutralize the original odor either [15:22] Urchlay: agreed, it's hacky... but that's the best option available w/o getting into awk. [15:22] so instead of "smells like shit", you now have "smells like shit + lysol" :( [15:22] in some sense, I was right firefox would be killed :P [15:22] and kills lung cells [15:23] and apparently passes the blood brain barrier and gives me a headache [15:23] eviljames: it only matters because slackware package names are allowed to have - in the actual name part (which IIRC didn't used to be the case, in really old slack versions) [15:23] zox (i=zox@unaffiliated/zox) left ##slackware. [15:23] zox (i=zox@unaffiliated/zox) joined ##slackware. [15:23] losia (n=root@116.68.96.169) left irc: "Leaving" [15:24] lysol rocks [15:24] did you drink it ? [15:24] bleah. My last office job, my desk was 10 feet away from the desk of the lysol queen [15:24] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.178) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:24] 3 times a day she doused her desk, chair, phone, etc. with liberal sprayings of lysol [15:25] Gross. [15:25] lysol + 99% isopropyl [15:25] antiwire: Now THAT'S worth while drink! [15:25] I remember drama in another channel about a Lysol Sniper [15:25] lol [15:25] I hope the complete lack of germs in her environment causes her immune system to atrophy, so she dies of the common cold [15:25] the person had gas and they tried to cover it up with lysol [15:25] hahahaha [15:26] paul424 (i=1000@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [15:26] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@typhi.phdcomputing.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [15:26] and *I* would get in trouble... "You're coughing too loud, disrupting Lysol Queen's phone conversations" [15:26] haha, coughing too loud [15:26] You should've increased the volume level of your farts [15:26] I'd cough even louder [15:27] Or perhaps amplified them in some way [15:27] and then start farting in her general direction. [15:27] Hook a mic up to your chair [15:27] attach it to a small amp, then attach that to the speakers at her desk. [15:27] "coughing too loud" was actually one of the 100+ "infractions" listed on the paper they made me sign when they fired me [15:27] old fashioned paper cone megaphone [15:27] eviljames: hell just get a whoopie cushion.. same effect.. without the smell [15:27] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) joined ##slackware. [15:27] Dominian: The smell is key. I spend a lot of time brewing my farts, and I want them to be appreciated. [15:27] so was every occasion when I was late to work, going back 5 years [15:28] http://forum.mtstars.com/company/v/1/95795.html [15:28] This is a story about a company that did not have the guts to fire their employee, so they used a fake letter of resignation. [15:28] why would you sign a paper like that? [15:28] they should have given me a medal, for gallantly resisting the overwhelming urge to strangle the bitch [15:28] With the fake letter of resignation, they don't have to pay unemployment. [15:29] I'd never sign a paper for some company that admits any guilt of anything [15:29] screw that [15:29] i'd walk away [15:29] antiwire: because if I signed, I got to keep working there another month, plus get proper termination pay (another 2 weeks' salary)... if I didn't, I was fired on the spot [15:29] I needed the money [15:29] i'd rather get fired [15:30] I'd rather get fired too [15:30] i'd just walk. [15:30] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@200.128.3.100) joined ##slackware. [15:30] but then I'd rather not have a damn job in the first place [15:30] "buu bye" [15:30] I only do it because I need money [15:30] I'd wait and leave in the middle of something I've started :) [15:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] antiwire: I would have been unable to pay my rent... believe me, I wanted to tell 'em exactly what I thought of 'em and walk out the door [15:31] lol [15:31] Camarade_Tux: well I noticed you note :) [15:31] I've walked away before, but ultimately the relationship was fine [15:31] alisonken1home, he :P [15:31] (business wise) [15:31] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Connection timed out [15:31] Camarade_Tux: making sure to spaghetti up that code something fierce, too? [15:31] eh, at this point, the relationship was permanently screwed and had been for a while already [15:31] yeah :) [15:31] Action: Camarade_Tux is also currently eating spaghettis ;) [15:32] literally..walked away. I got up from a status meeting and left [15:32] I had to clean up after someone who did the fierce spaghetti code thing [15:32] loads of fun [15:32] they actually called me in 6 weeks later in desperation, "*please* fix our mail server! we'll pay you twice your old hourly rate!" [15:32] hahah [15:32] pi31415: guaranteed long-term contract :P [15:32] which I agreed to... and then they never paid me [15:32] Urchlay: see, isn't that gratifying? [15:32] well not the pay part then [15:32] would have been gratifying had I actually gotten paid [15:32] hahah antiwire, spoke too soon, eh? [15:32] but getting called back after leaving [15:32] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:32] that feels great [15:33] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [15:33] indeed it does. [15:33] Feels even better to say: "Are you guys fsckin NUTS? What makes you think I'll do you any favours?" [15:33] don't think they ever intended to pay me, they knew there wasn't anything I could do about it (what, hire a lawyer? the amount I'd pay him would be more than the amount in dispute...) [15:34] Urchlay: You could've made some public issue about it. It's not libel if it's true. [15:34] made a public issue how? [15:34] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:34] op-ed in the local paper, something they'd see. [15:34] write a blog entry? exactly zero people would care [15:34] Something their clients would see, perhaps [15:34] or other contractors. [15:34] their clients were mostly out-of-state [15:35] That type of unethical business practice is the kind of stuff that cannot be tolerated. [15:35] Urchlay, is there no quicker way to solve that ? "see, contract" ? [15:35] emitting postscript "by hand" is not too bad as a report writer.. though a tad low level because you have to roll your own tables, underline, dashed horizontal rules, etc. [15:35] Also, if there was anything other than a verbal agreement then you could get damages under tort law. [15:35] AFAIK they never hired another contractor either. The boss told me once "from now on I'm only hiring immigrants, they're more respectful than americans" [15:35] wow [15:36] heh [15:36] (translation: H1B visa holders get deported if they get fired, so they work for less pay and bend over backwards to satisfy the most insane demands) [15:36] Urchlay: are you at liberty to say the company name? [15:36] sure. E-Verifile.com [15:36] at this point I've been gone from there for a couple years [15:36] veryvile [15:37] Totally will NEVER EVER buy from them. Having sound effects on your website is DOOM. [15:37] alright. when i do grep searchterm filename|sed -e stuff i get line by line output, but when i do for i in `grep searchterm file`|do sed -e stuff it gives me a newline at every space [15:37] the boss could not get this simple concept through his head either: If you want respect, show respect for others [15:37] any tips ? [15:37] eviljames: they didn't have sound effects on their site when I was there [15:37] noooooo, I want my sound output to be *exclusively* hold my mplayer and not flash ! [15:37] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:38] part of the reason I got fired was for "resisting the use of modern technology on the web site"... as in, I didn't want index.html to be 100% flash [15:38] heret|c: yea, sed -e 's/some/thing/g' file.new && diff file{,.new} [15:38] A person should always respect their boss. [15:38] Just as a person should always respect a loaded gun. [15:38] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Urchlay, haha :p [15:38] pi31415: to a degree. If the boss starts yelling at you and calling you insulting names, you do not have to sit there and say "yes sir" [15:38] I like 'sed -i file' :) [15:38] Camarade_Tux: sed -i is destructive. [15:39] alright. lemme give a little more background on what i'm trying to do [15:39] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [15:39] sed -i.bak <--- non destructive [15:39] i've got a brasero burn list. trying to convert it to a nero burn list. [15:39] Urchlay: agreed, though in some lines of work it is to be expected.. [15:39] pi31415: in the armed forces maybe [15:39] ie: football or logging [15:39] lol [15:39] eviljames, but it's handy too [15:39] heret|c: perhaps pasting your text, and how you want it to look [15:40] I mean in the army they have guys whose main job is to yell at people, and it seems to work OK for them [15:40] Camarade_Tux: Not disputing that. Just that it is destructive. Urchlay provides a better solution :P [15:40] yeah. trying to find a pastebin that's not slow as ballz XD [15:40] last time I used that was to change a version number in some gnome-autogen generated stuff (generated elsewhere and I couldn't generate it by myself) [15:40] Urchlay: yeah it works fine until the people get discharged and go apeshit on normal society [15:40] antiwire: does that happen much? [15:40] Urchlay: escept in the Army - you have a contract that you signed saying 'Yell at me' [15:41] alisonken1home: yep [15:41] antiwire: Whcih wouldn't happen if they had proper debrief/support services. [15:41] pi31415: I know many people who have finished their time in the military and cannot cope with typical societal situations, yes [15:41] eviljames: exactly [15:41] but they don't so they vent other ways [15:42] i'm not even talking about PTSD either [15:42] antiwire: But, sadly, the universal modus operandi (not military specific) these days seems to be: "I'll use you for what I want, then go fsck yourself. Others too if need be." [15:42] I'm talking about guys who never even saw combat [15:42] antiwire: The reason I ask is that I read a news report where boy scouts were getting anti terrorist training using paint ball guns under various scenarios, one of them was the "disgruntled war veteran" scenario, which did not seem plausible at the time [15:43] boy scouts getting anti-terror training? [15:43] WTF [15:43] what the fsck [15:43] if you have brains, you do not point a rifle at a war veteran [15:43] jinx! owe me a beer. [15:44] my dad was a boy scout...back when it actually meant something [15:44] not me though [15:44] ehm. How old were these kids? Under what circumstances do Boy Scouts get issued a rifle? [15:44] oh no, it's not called a rifle or a gun..it's "a marker" [15:45] http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/14/us/14explorers.html?_r=3 [15:45] you don't train people to use a paintball gun for "anti terror" purposes unless you expect them to actually use a real gun when they do it for real... [15:45] they resemble rifles [15:45] Urchlay: Hopefully NO circumstances. [15:45] http://pastebin.com/m65cb89ac There we go, if anyone wants to take a look at it [15:46] WTF are they doing training children for this sort of crap anyway? [15:46] Teach 'em how to tie knots. [15:46] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.205) joined ##slackware. [15:46] 14 years old [15:46] I do remember doing target shooting in the boy scouts, using a BB gun [15:46] ah that's airsfot [15:46] airsoft [15:46] not paintball [15:46] That's different. [15:47] airsoft guns are fun [15:47] ...and archery, which I always thought was fun [15:47] Urchlay: That's hardly training for terrorism. People should be aware of how to safely operate a firearm. [15:47] ie: Point it at a target and NEVER a human. [15:47] never a human unless it's your last resort I suppose... if it's kill or be killed [15:48] That's not a lesson to teach a child. [15:48] i vote we make guns cheaper and more accessable [15:48] the US handgun safety booklet that is provided by the DOJ says never to aim a gun in an unsafe direction, period. This is includes mentioning that one should never aim a gun at something they don't intend to kill. [15:48] The lesson should be NEVER a human. They'll figure out defending themselves on their own. [15:48] especially in overpopulated areas/countries [15:49] heret|c: In America, I don't think they could be more accessable. As I understand in some states they don't even check ID if you by from a gun show. [15:49] heret|c: that's basically what we've done in parts of Africa already [15:49] eviljames: no not anymore [15:49] antiwire: ahh, did they tighten that up after Columbine? [15:49] you must produce at least ID depending on the state level regulations. [15:50] If it is a handgun, the DOJ is notified too [15:50] anywho, anyone look at my pastebin and need the command sequence i used to get that far? [15:50] long guns have different rules [15:50] I think Canada is taking a good approach. [15:51] eviljames: that's not to say I can't just go to a gun show and buy a gun, though there is a waiting period in most cases [15:51] if i have all the proper documentation, I'm good [15:51] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:51] To own / operate a firearm you must be licensed. To get a handgun requires special permission from the government. [15:51] [15:51] All guns MUST be registered. [15:51] I mean, we do this for cars.. why not weapons designed to kill? [15:52] To conceal a firearm requires more special permission yet! [15:52] cars designed to kill? [15:52] i always carry my gun. girls watch out. [15:52] :p [15:52] heret|c: Guns are designed to kill. Nothing else. [15:52] heret|c: ugh, XML + shell script = pain [15:52] heret|c: tricky [15:52] actually most of the time XML by itself hurts [15:52] Urchlay, no kidding. my brain crapped out on me around 10 minutes ago [15:52] eviljames: all guns here must be registered as well. Long guns don't require any training to buy though. handguns require a certificate that you attain by passing a test, which is really a test to make sure you're not a complete idiot. you might still be an idiot, just not complete [15:52] heret|c: So if you have to be licensed to operate a car, and the car must be registered and insured, why wouldn't we have AT LEAST the same rules for weapons designed to kill? [15:52] the handgun test is stupid [15:53] antiwire: any disagreement with my argument wrt to licenses? [15:53] eviljames, i still don't get how you're connecting guns and cars though. [15:53] eviljames: no [15:53] i agree with registration, with licenses, with training for all guns [15:53] heret|c: he could say girls.. [15:53] heret|c: Cars are a useful device that /can/ kill. Guns are a useful device /designed/ to kill. They should both require at least an equivalent amount of paperwork to own/operate. [15:54] cars are licensed to restrict our freedoms to privleges, something that can be taken away if we do something that the powers that be don't agree with [15:54] but if i want to kill someone [15:54] hahahaha [15:54] i don't need a gun [15:54] They're not licensed to restrict our freedoms, that's asinine. [15:54] a few sticks and a string will be more then deadly enough [15:54] They're licensed because they're dangerous, and we need to make sure you're going to be responsible. [15:54] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.55) joined ##slackware. [15:55] (not that the licensing procedure is perfect, but that's a different argument) [15:55] no, they need to make sure you follow their rules [15:55] "they" is US [15:55] define US [15:55] If you're too stupid to pass a driver's test, there's no way you should be behind the wheel of a car. [15:55] that's just it [15:55] heret|c: I was trying something like: [15:55] for i in $( seq 4 ); do cat test1 | cut -d '>' -f $1; done [15:55] but cut doesn't like that :| [15:55] almost no one is incabpable of passing a drivers test. they're designed that way [15:55] probably something awk related would work [15:56] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [15:56] heret|c: Patently false. [15:56] eviljames: I think the requirements for owning certain types of firearms should be higher and more stringent and I do agree with making people get proper training for the weapons they plan to carry. However, I also think people should be allowed to open carry a firearm if they have attained the proper training and certifications/licensing. [15:56] antiwire: Agreed on pretty much all counts. [15:56] antiwire: In fact, I prefer open carry to concealment. I think there should be an even higher restriction on who is allowed to conceal the fact that they're carrying a weapon. [15:57] eviljames: yes [15:57] I'm not sure registering cars is because they are dangerous [15:57] The other thing that we've noticed with our gun registry: Registered firearms are not used in crime. [15:57] lol [15:57] but firearms should be registered [15:57] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [15:57] eviljames: imagine that! the people who actually go through the proper steps aren't the ones committing crimes with theirs guns? [15:57] lol [15:57] Camarade_Tux: It's not the only, or even the primary, reason. [15:57] so what's next. a license restriction on knives and baseball bats? both very deadly weapons [15:58] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:58] cars 'n' guns: u can drive while u shoot :) [15:58] How about sticks? [15:58] lol [15:58] heret|c: Also a stupid argument. [15:58] eviljames, I guess we agree then [15:58] And broken glass [15:58] heret|c: None of those objects are /designed/ to kill. [15:58] eviljames, only stupid cause you can't counter it. [15:58] as for guns, look at how many people are killed with guns each year in France [15:58] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [15:58] No, it's just stupid. [15:58] eviljames, knives are designed to kill . look at their orgins [15:58] heret|c, not to mention ice blocks [15:58] Camarade_Tux: Same with Canada. [15:58] heret|c: Knives are a cutting tool. [15:59] same thing with blunt objects, look at medievil maces, the orgin of baseball bats [15:59] Ad absurdum. [15:59] I don't think heret|c's argument is stupid - I actually agree with it - policing inanimate objects rather than actual criminal behavior is highly debatable - by no means a trivial debate [15:59] exactly. [15:59] rk4n3: post-act policing is not a detriment. [16:00] err, deterrant. [16:00] ok so should anyone just be allowed to jump in a car and go for a spin? [16:00] tanks should be free to drive [16:00] and nuclear bombs should be legal to own. [16:00] cars are deadly too...but lets just allow any one to hop in one and go for it [16:00] antiwire, if they drive like a normal person, sober and at full attention, y es [16:00] and guns are no defensive weapons, they are offensive, they kill, they don't protect [16:00] heret|c: you're already regulating it by that statement then [16:01] Camarade_Tux: Exactly, the chief design of a gun is to kill and nothing else. [16:01] heret|c: that is exactly what the gun safety courses do. [16:01] heret|c: you see this right? [16:01] Camarade_Tux, you're not considering sport-designed guns [16:01] So maybe we should make Gun safety courses mandatory [16:01] along with some kind of piece of paper that proves someon has passed [16:01] perhaps we'll call it a "license"... [16:01] which is what I have for handguns. A handgun license [16:02] I don't think it was out of line to attain that [16:02] BOFH, they're designed to kill too, and most (<80%) of the people killed with firearms in France are killed with hunting rifles, which are hopefully regulated too [16:03] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-31.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Camarade_Tux: here, hunting is regulated but the buying and owning long guns is a much more lax process [16:03] in France, hunting is regulated and being allowed to hunt is a prerequisite to own a firear [16:03] m [16:03] the "punishment is not a deterrant" argument is vacuously circular - trying to police access to something relies on the same thing - only the punishment of disobeying the law makes it have any teeth [16:04] ... which is why it doesn't work - the criminals are free to ignore it [16:04] If i wanted to give you a handgun we'd have to go do a gun transfer at a DOJ licensed shop. If i wanted to give you a rifle I go "here you go" and you go "thanks". [16:04] Camarade_Tux, they're not designed to kill. They're actually designed to obtain best precision, or a fast shooting rate, depending on the sport they're meant to be used for. [16:04] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] umm, a hunting rifle is designed to expend the most energy inside of the target, killing it quickly. [16:05] it is designed to kill as efficiently as possible [16:05] I upgraded my mini-pci intel wireless 2100 with the 2200, and upon booting up, udev decides to use eth2 instead of eth1 for this device. Does anybody know about this? [16:05] rk4n3: This is an interesting argument worth having. It's not to say that post-act punishment shouldn't occur. Just that it won't deter a criminal. We need to have more emphasis on communities, and less on punishment.. I'll continue in a bit, but I gotta go do something here at work :P [16:05] and aside from all the "mechanics" of these measures, there's still the highly-debatable legitimacy of the function of government - does government have any business trying to "ensure safety", or should it be constrained to only "ensure liberty" ... again, a very non-trivial debate [16:05] rk4n3: Totally non-trivial. And totally worthwhile. [16:05] indeed :) [16:06] BOFH, oh, I misunderstood you : you mean as in olympic sports ? [16:06] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df5b769ae6750b27) joined ##slackware. [16:06] On that note, bbiab. [16:06] paissad_ (n=paissad@127.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [16:07] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:08] liberty can't exist without safety, you wouldn't be free to move if you thought leaving home would get you killed [16:09] yes Camarade_Tux, practical shooting in example. Weapons used in that sport can surely kill someone, but they're not "designed" to kill someone. They're often unreliable, very sensitive.. [16:09] hrm, really? one could argue that liberty and saftey are exclusive. you can be free or safe, not both [16:09] Camarade_Tux: noone is suggesting that anyone not have safety - the question would be whether its the government's job to ensure that safety, or whether your safety should be more in your own hands - government will invariably curtail liberty in order to ensure safety [16:10] slackytude: again, I disagree - you can have liberty, and use it to ensure your own safety (to the best of your ability) ... that's actually the natural state - the "self-evident" right that our founders recognized [16:10] grazymax (n=grazymax@host176-12-dynamic.26-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:10] or as Robin Williams puts it "The Right To Bear Arms, or the Right To Arm Bears" [16:11] to have that taken away by an attempt to substitute government protection for it is, well, debatable [16:11] slackytude, right, but a compromise would be preferrable [16:11] rk4n3, I agree with that actually. [16:11] :) [16:11] I cant express meself too well, right now. sitting in the sun and drinking beer is bad for my english [16:12] this is hilarious http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=a6sMJfAXMT74&refer=us [16:12] rk4n3, the problem with anybody being allowed to do anything for his own safety, including killing, is precisely that anything is allowed [16:12] Camarade_Tux: noone is suggesting there not be laws [16:12] i r hr 2 s3cur3!! [16:12] slackytude, sun ? or are you a vampire and sitting in the moonlight ? :p [16:12] Camarade_Tux: just that the laws be constrained to real crimes [16:12] Camarade_Tux, I was sitting in the sun [16:13] now Im just drinking beer [16:13] rk4n3, so I can cut your hand if you steal something ? :) [16:14] Camarade_Tux: you're erecting a strawman - nothing implies that... [16:14] nah, cut his head off, so he wont think about stealing anymore [16:14] antiwire, hahaha [16:15] Camarade_Tux: the debate on whether or not owning a gun is regulated is completely separate from the law on when physical harm is acceptable and to what extent - that law need not change [16:15] Camarade_Tux, you know, back in the days when I started with politics and US politics I used to visit political oriented forums to talk with US citiziens [16:16] ... just because I'm allowed to own a gun doesn't mean I'm legally sanctioned to use it whenever I want - crimes can still happen [16:16] Camarade_Tux, I used to be just like you in regards to firearms [16:16] rk4n3, do you think shooting at a burglar should be allowed ? [16:16] I'd shoot a burglar [16:17] rk4n3, but the problem is that crimes happen much more easily with weapons (almost) freely available [16:17] Urchlay: me to [16:17] too [16:17] hell, how would I know he's just a burglar and not also there to kill me? [16:17] do you have the IP? [16:17] <--- needs to keep his pidgin window away from irssi window [16:17] I'd probably want to shoot him but wouldn't since I don't have any weapon, ire leads to disproportionate reactions [16:17] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@gw.csrg.inf.utfsm.cl) left irc: "Leaving" [16:17] Camarade_Tux, why would more crime happen if weapons are avaible? and arent there crimes with weapons already, altho they are banned? [16:17] Camarade_Tux: I think that's a difficult question - but its completely separate from whether I should be allowed to own a gun or not. I will say that if someone trespasses with obvious ill intent, and has a weapon, I should be able to drop them dead [16:18] Camarade_Tux: corollary to that: laws against guns only stop non-criminals from getting guns (someone who's a criminal, who already would shoot people even though that's illegal, is not going to obey the no-guns law either) [16:18] Urchlay: well the laws here say that the use of deadly force is authorized for defense when deadly forced is being used to offend. So if a burglar breaks in with a crowbar, a large flash light, a screw driver...that seems pretty deadly to me. [16:18] Urchlay, outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns [16:18] slackytude: amen [16:18] slackytude: yeah, that puts it more succintly [16:19] Urchlay, burglars are (mooooooooooost usually) not interested in killing, not at all [16:19] Camarade_Tux, so what? [16:19] slackytude, so shooting at them is disproportionate [16:20] Camarade_Tux: if someone puts themselves in the position of threatening someone else's life (even if their intent isn't so), they can expect no deliberation [16:20] Camarade_Tux: I have enemies. Some of them might want me dead. Some of them might hire an assassin to come and kill me. If my house is broken into, how am I supposed to read the guy's mind and know why he's doing it? [16:20] Urchlay, no, and criminals wouldn't get weapons as easily [16:20] this is even crazier; where I live the law explicitly says 'shoot to kill and only to kill'. It's illegal to own non-lethal rounds as a civilian. If you shoot someone and don't kill them, or you shoot them with a non-lethal bean bag you will go to jail for using a firearm without true need. [16:20] criminals don't seem to have a problem getting guns [16:20] they will ask 'if you didn't need to kill them, why did you shoot?" [16:20] Camarade_Tux: you underestimate the sheer number of handguns floating around on the black market here [16:20] guns are extremely easy to make, too [16:21] renatosrabelo1 (n=renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Camarade_Tux, where do the guys commiting crimes with weapons do get they guns then? are they all legaly sold? [16:21] Camarade_Tux: it's easier to get an illegal hand gun than it is to get a legal hand gun here [16:21] much easier [16:21] slackytude, as I stated earlier, most firearm crimes in France come from allowed hunting rifles, with more rigles available, more crimes (and I don't think they'd kill people with other means, you can't kill 5 peoples at once with broken glass) [16:21] zip guns and pipe guns abound in inner-city gang life (or used to, until "real" guns became even easier to get black-market wise) [16:22] I don't buy the "more guns = more crimes" thing [16:22] the good old 150 dollar "hi-point" handgun [16:22] Camarade_Tux, really? I hardly belive that [16:22] the drug dealer's choice [16:22] antiwire, hipoint makes a decent pistol...once you modify it to be reliable [16:22] saturday night special [16:22] Urchlay, you have ennemies who might want you dead ? and do most American people are in the same situation ? ... 0_o [16:22] slackytude: It's been found in Canada that legally owned firearms are not used in crimes. [16:22] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [16:22] yosii: i didn't say anything about reliability [16:22] suppose I'm a criminal thinking of robbing someone... if I know that person has a gun, I'll leave them alone, go find another victim who I know is unarmed [16:23] slackytude: Which is all the more reason to have an ownership license/registry. [16:23] Camarade_Tux, over here, there are million+ legal owners of guns and rifles and most crimes are commited with illegaly obtained guns [16:23] I said it was cheap to buy. [16:23] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:23] slackytude: Anyone who is unlicensed, unregistered: penalties. [16:23] severe ones. [16:23] Action: eviljames is back btw :P [16:23] antiwire, i used to ow a hipoint [16:23] own [16:23] Camarade_Tux: I have no idea. I had an enemy once who I wanted dead... but that was years ago, I'm over it [16:23] antiwire, it's a good pistol once you modify it [16:23] Urchlay, if I underestimate the number of weapons on the black market, then something must be done for them first, sure, but there would be less weapons on the black market if all were forbidden (easier to track them, no need to wonder if they are legal, no possibility to produce false documents) [16:24] and ammo is still freely available [16:24] Camarade_Tux: I didn't go looking for the guy, but if I'd run into him somewhere, I would have killed him (or tried to) with my bare hands [16:24] antiwire, and it takes fewer than $20 to fix it up as a pistol that rivals the glock on reliability and accuracy [16:24] Urchlay, people in NYC used to (or still do) put a sticker from the NRA on their door, as burglar deterent [16:24] yosii: which one did you own? [16:24] renatosrabelo1 (n=renato@bhe201062184205.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [16:24] rhys (n=rhys@r-lyeh.meds.cwru.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [16:25] Camarade_Tux: we don't have a time machine though. The black market guns are already here... no idea how many (no idea how to find out either, maybe millions?) [16:25] Camarade_Tux, prohibition only leads to a higher price. Id guess drugs are banned as well, yet most people can get them [16:25] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.150.71) joined ##slackware. [16:25] pri4pus (n=pri4pus@87.248.164.65) left irc: "leaving" [16:25] I think more guns imply more crimes because they make it easy to kill, if you're really pissed off, you can't just get your baseball bat and kill somebody. Of course you could but you're less likely to without a gun, and that's much longer [16:25] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@200.128.3.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] Urchlay: That doesn't mean we should make it easier for people to legally own a killing weapon. [16:25] antiwire, i had a c9 with the regular 10 round mags on it [16:25] eviljames: I said nothing about making it easier [16:25] Sure. [16:25] actually, prohibition leads to reduced prices - no taxes, no licensing, etc... lower overhead, and potential market doesn't bear the high prices [16:26] hi all. Does anybody know of an IPv6-accessible slackware mirror? [16:26] Loosening the restrictions on legal ownership = making it easier. [16:26] yosii: also, my comment was just about the low price for a weapon, not reliability. I'm a firm believer of the saying "does it matter what I shoot a criminal with if i shoot them in the face?" [16:26] noahm: Good question! [16:26] eviljames: I wasn't the one talking about loosening restrictions though [16:26] Urchlay: oh, thought you were :P [16:26] (or tightening them either) [16:26] antiwire, it DOES matter if the damn thing jams [16:26] Urchlay, if you had run into that guy, you might have try to kill him with you bare hands, but if you had a gun in your hands, you'd most likely actually killed him [16:26] hehe [16:26] antoni (n=user@177.pool85-53-32.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Camarade_Tux: s/most likely actually/easily/ [16:26] we have violences too in France but they stop at that and don't degenerate into killings [16:27] Camarade_Tux: I personally don't trust myself to carry a gun, for exactly that reason. But do I think the government should make that decision for me? No, I do not [16:27] eviljames, yes [16:27] rk4n3, you have to consider the price for bribing authorities. also, in a prohibitive environment, dumb sellers will get busted, leaving only a few who can dictte price [16:27] if I have a position on gun control at all, it's "more rules = bigger government = bad" [16:27] Urchlay: amen [16:27] slackytude, prohibition leads to higher prices, and that's certainly better [16:27] Urchlay, aye [16:27] i think this HP/bce driver is buggy in freebsd. [16:28] also, I wouldn't like drugs to be legal, I REALLY wouldn't like that [16:28] anyone have access to a dl360 g5? [16:28] Camarade_Tux, not really. there will still be profit [16:28] Urchlay, rk4n3, slackytude, respectfully guys: that argument I don't think holds water. It's propaganda. [16:28] the "big government" thing. [16:28] Camarade_Tux: I'd like marijuana to be legal. Not heroin or cocaine... but pot's no more dangerous or harmful than alcohol [16:29] eviljames: *shrug*, I won't try to convince you, we have to agree to differ I guess [16:29] antiwire, you want the gun to be reliable regardless of what else it is...you want to be able to pull the trigger with assurance that a round will fly out [16:29] eviljames: propoganda ? hardly ... the ever-present struggle between liberty and the growth of government is *not* mythical or propoganda - its the central theme of the US constitution [16:29] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:30] rk4n3: sadly our politicians these days don't seem to have read (or understood) the constitution [16:30] rk4n3: That wasn't quite what I was driving at.. I have to figure out how to be more articulate about it. [16:30] eviljames: ah [16:30] yosii: yeah don't I know it. I've used a couple guns that I could be sure the first would fly..but the second might jam or the first rounds casing might smoke stack. that's not so good [16:30] Urchlay, right, maybe even less dangerous than alcohol but I'm not sure it'd be better legal (and that's one out of many drugs) [16:30] Camarade_Tux, if you have a prohibition, there will still be a market and profit for sellers. Profits can get high enough that autorities can get bribed. you usually end up with police actually being the main source of black market material [16:30] rk4n3: more to the point of "anything the government does is bad" and "government is always inefficient" and all that rubbish. [16:30] antiwire, there's an easy way to fix that [16:31] antiwire, if you're in the new york area...i'll be happy to fix that...for a fee [16:31] haha [16:31] slackytude, well, firearms are prohibited, yet I don't see what happened in the US with prohibition of alchohol [16:31] rk4n3: Government is as effective as the people with int, and if you think the people in your government are inefficient, STEP UP and do something about it. [16:31] yosii: I think i've tracked it down to a crappy magazine actually [16:31] weapons are really a different thing [16:31] eviljames: well, now I'd still say there is some truth to both those things ... anything government does outside its legitimate functions *is* bad, and will *necessarily* be done less efficiently than otherwise [16:31] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:31] antiwire, it's usually either the magazine or the feed ramp [16:31] Camarade_Tux, I thought there were legal firearms? cant have it both ways [16:31] eviljames: sadly, in the US, we only get 2 choices: democrat or republican party [16:31] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:32] rk4n3: The government, imho (here comes some socialism :P) have only 4 functions: Defense, Education, Healthcare and Infrastructure (in alphabetical order). [16:32] antiwire, the feed ramp is a more often cause of stovepiping [16:32] both political parties are entrenched to the point that the one thing they do agree on, is that no 3rd party will ever be allowed to become prominent [16:32] slackytude, yes, hunting rifles. [16:32] Urchlay: So? There's a system there. Join in and change it. [16:32] eviljames: but when government functions within its legitimate functions, then your statement applies - its as good/efficient as the people performing the function [16:32] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] that doesn't make many weapon, and most importantly, people don't have guns at home in a *city* [16:32] eviljames: I have no faith in either of the parties though. From what I can tell, they're both completely corrupt. [16:33] plus, a hunting rifle is quite long [16:33] rk4n3: Economic and Environmental regulation are lumped under "infrastructure" [16:33] rk4n3: Though environmental can be done under healthcare as well. [16:33] Camarade_Tux, except those that wear uniforms, of course [16:33] Urchlay: They are. Totally corrupt. [16:33] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left ##slackware. [16:33] Urchlay: It is UP TO YOU to solve that. [16:33] "Of the people, by the people, for the people!" [16:33] eviljames: ah, we really disagree there - I'm with the US constitution on those: national defense, establishment/maintenance of currency, etc... [16:33] Camarade_Tux, in an area where the police have no legal responsibility for individual safety, handgun ownership is strongly encouraged [16:33] eviljames: yeah, right. 'Cause I'm so smart, I have all the answers, right? [16:34] antoni (n=user@177.pool85-53-32.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:34] rk4n3: So roads should be privately maintained? [16:34] eviljames: I believe education, health care, and infrastructure should all be privatized [16:34] eviljames: yep [16:34] rk4n3: I think you're crazy. [16:34] slackytude, that's special, and policemen can use their guns but using it can make them be put into trial, they need to have a good reason to (not sure that sentence is proper english) [16:34] rk4n3: Health care being privatized is the most wasteful system possible. [16:34] rk4n3: Deriving profit from people's ailments is sickening. [16:35] rk4n3, infrastructure as well? thats part of the federal government, at leat intra state [16:35] rk4n3: And private schools lead to two-tier education systems, along with a shitload of idiotic bible colleges teaching lies. [16:35] yosii, but where is that ? in the Nevada desert ? in the Sahara ? [16:35] eviljames: heh :) Well, we've never given it a chance, but I do think the oil and car industries, as well as those needing freight, would build the roads [16:35] Camarade_Tux, btw, the US supreme court have ruled that police departments have no legal responsibility for the safety of citizens [16:35] yosii, nice court [16:35] ... [16:35] eviljames: ... if they didn't have to pay the taxes to have the government do it, and I also think they'd do it better [16:35] Camarade_Tux, yes, it would be stupid if the same laws apply to all, obviously,some are more equal than other [16:35] s/have ruled/has ruled [16:35] Camarade_Tux, :p [16:36] Camarade_Tux, what makes them special,tho? [16:36] rk4n3: I'm kinda chuckling about these points... I think you're completely wrong on this issue. [16:36] eviljames: I agree with you on the "variety" of schools that would pop up, but the important thing is that people would have a choice [16:36] jnylin (n=jnylin@rainbow.ext.hb.se) left irc: "Leaving" [16:36] slackytude, people have different roles in a society and if you don't trust them in their role, you can't really live in that society [16:36] rk4n3: A choice to be educated wrongly? What the hell? [16:36] Camarade_Tux, so, in the US, ESPECIALLY in urban areas, i encourage handgun ownership and concealed carry [16:36] doctors could kill more people than policemen [16:36] how do you define "educated rightly" though? [16:36] Urchlay: Sticking to (at least) the scientific method? [16:37] eviljames: in essence, yes - who decides what "wrongly" is in education ? The government ? eesh... [16:37] Urchlay: In private school systems, they can avoid teaching geology or evolution because it interferes with some book a bunch of sheep herders worte a few thousand years ago. [16:37] yosii, urrgghhh, I see your point, but I still think there is a problem and the solution should not be to allow handguns [16:37] eviljames: people have the right to be stupid, after all [16:37] Camarade_Tux, its not the different role part, its the differen laws part. shouldnt the same apply to all? [16:37] rk4n3: That doesn't mean they should inflict that stupidity on their children? Don't the children have the right to be taught reality? [16:37] Camarade_Tux, and when you disallow hanguns, the only ones who listen are law abiding citizens [16:37] rk4n3: Should parents pull children from geology classes because it interferes with Genesis? [16:38] eviljames: I know adult humans who seem otherwise intelligent, yet they believe the scientific method is BS. No amount of arguing with them will change their minds (I've tried). Should they be forced to go against their passionately-held beliefs? [16:38] eviljames: aha - so now we get to a *really* non-trivial issue - who knows better what kids should get, parents or government ? [16:38] Camarade_Tux, criminals, by nature, ignore laws they find inconvenient [16:38] rk4n3: That's not the issue at all. [16:38] eviljames: you based your last point on it [16:38] rk4n3: The parents are committing child abuse by inflicting stupidity on their children. [16:38] eviljames: are they ? [16:38] Yes. [16:38] They are. [16:38] slackytude, they are special because they are trained and take oath (which leads to doubled fines/prison/...) [16:38] eviljames: according to who ? [16:38] rk4n3: You will not shake my stance on this matter. [16:39] and if you don't trust your police... (/me looking for the quote) [16:39] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Children who are not forced to be stupid by their parents are being abused. [16:39] eviljames: 'sokay - just discussion :) [16:39] URGH [16:39] Camarade_Tux, so, if people get trained and take an oath, then they are fit to have weapons? [16:39] Children who ARE forced to be stupid by their parents are being abused. [16:39] eviljames: many would say that about Catholics though - are they right ? [16:39] Urchlay: They don't have to be forced, those are adults. [16:39] rk4n3: Yes. [16:39] slackytude, and forgot they are monitored but [16:39] rk4n3: Religion is detrimental to all of mankind. All religion. [16:39] Camarade_Tux, why would you implicitly trust police or any perceived authority figure? [16:40] rk4n3: That's another thing you won't shake me on. [16:40] eviljames: OK, many others would say that about new-age tree-hugger hippies, are they right too ? [16:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] eviljames: forced to have their children educated about e.g. theory of evolution, or history older then 6,000 years ago [16:40] if people were trained as much as policemen, yeah, they could carry weapons, but do you see people being trained for years before getting a gun ? [16:40] Urchlay: In science class, yes. [16:40] Camarade_Tux, police aren't trained for years before getting a gun...usually, they spend less than 10 hours on firearms training [16:40] Camarade_Tux, if that was a requirment, then yeah, why not? [16:40] is this about praying vs. chemotherapy? [16:41] eviljames: as it happens I agree with you. But to these people, I'm by definition a "devil worshipper", there's no reasoning with them [16:41] I'm sorry to say but there are somethings you simply cannot will away. [16:41] antiwire: Chemo works, prayer doesn't. That's not exactly rocket science [16:41] chemo kills [16:41] eviljames: don't get me wrong - *my* kids will go to a good, science-based, academically-oriented school - I just don't think its the government's legitimate function to determine that for me, or otherwise for others [16:41] Camarade_Tux, in new york, civilians must attend 40+ hours of training before buying a hadgun [16:41] jeev: so does cancer. It's kind of a crap-shoot really... [16:41] Urchlay: Fortunately, reality exists in spite of their beliefs. [16:41] true [16:41] Camarade_Tux, your argument is out of ignorance, sorry to say [16:42] elilo (n=elilo@141-3-16-190.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:42] yosii, they spend more than that, and they spend time being trained on other things too [16:42] Hello! [16:42] exist howto package nn? [16:42] hello [16:42] nn ships with slackware [16:42] nn for rss and feeds [16:42] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:42] eviljames: try not to forget that religious oppression is oppression nonetheless, and religious freedom is a critical part of liberty [16:42] rk4n3: I'm really appreciating the debate btw. Apologies if I call you crazy a bunch of times, it's not personal :P [16:42] Camarade_Tux, police academy is 14 weeks, 10 hours of that is firearms training...only SWAT gets more [16:42] eviljames, what if government would demand screening your kids for mental illness and reserve the right to treat any illenes it might find. like ADHD. [16:42] eviljames: no offense taken :) ... plus, crazy isn't necessarily bad :) [16:43] yosii, quite different in France, longer [16:43] rk4n3: Religion has no place anywhere, in my eyes. I try not to get into this debate too often, because I'm firmly atheist. I am certain that there is no such thing as a god. [16:43] elilo: http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/slackware/n/nn-6.7.3-i486-1.tgz [16:43] Camarade_Tux, ah...i'm in the US [16:43] for example [16:43] rk4n3: I just wish "religious freedom" also implied "freedom from religion" too [16:43] thrice`: yes [16:43] Nick change: fau_ -> fAu [16:43] eviljames: I am sympathetic to your view there - I am undecided and have spent plenty of time as an atheist as well ... [16:43] elilo: does that answer your question ? [16:43] thrice`: howto not exist? [16:44] slackytude: THIS is a worthy debate too! ADHD is nebulous at best, Ritalin is WAY over-prescribed. [16:44] eviljames: ... but, I still appreciate the fundamental concepts so purely captured in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution [16:44] slackytude: It would take a team of expert doctors, and I mean top of their field, to convince me to put my (future) child[ren] on ritalin. [16:44] sorry, I don't understand your question elilo [16:44] eviljames, yeah, its taken from real life as well, as the US wants to/ does screen all kids [16:44] eviljames, at the same time, you're free to raise/indoctrinate your child any way you wish...that right carries over to those who don't agree with you [16:44] yosii: I don't want my children indoctrinated. That's abhorrent to me. [16:45] I want them to be smart, rational and free. [16:45] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] eviljames, i hate to tell you, but you indoctrinate them nonetheless [16:45] thrice`: exist manual¿ [16:45] eviljames: I'd have to agree with you there. ADHD is just another word for "Kids naturally acting like kids have always acted", not a disease [16:45] eviljames: I also agree with you there - medicating children is *so* questionable/objectionable [16:45] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:45] You guys realize that private medicine is to blame for that right? [16:45] partly [16:45] a battery powered battery charger! this is amazing technology! http://www.switched.com/tag/naivetek/ [16:45] in a sense [16:45] Instead of looking for health issues, it's a cash grab. [16:46] also public education is partly to blame for it [16:46] eviljames: absolutely not ! [16:46] Urchlay: ... how do you figure? [16:46] its more a question of lobbyies [16:46] eviljames: three words ... welfare = medical assistance [16:46] rk4n3: Absolutely. Private medicine is abhorrent to me. Doctors should be concerned with HEALTH, not PROFIT. [16:46] thrice`: for read rss and feeds [16:46] teachers/administrators getting sick of dealing with "hyperactive" kids, tell the parents "get your spawn on medication before I'll let him back in my school" [16:46] elilo: That package is in the base slackware distribution. [16:46] eviljames: I see your point, but there's alot more to it than that [16:47] rk4n3, he has a point there. the "screen all kids" issue was heavly influenced by money from private medical frims [16:47] Urchlay: That is disgusting. I don't believe we have that problem with our public school system here. [16:47] that actually happened to me (fortunately my parents had a backbone and fought it & won) [16:47] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [16:47] Urchlay: Sounds like laziness and entitlement on the educator's part. [16:47] eviljames: yes... no encuentro el manual de nn... [16:47] no sé como usarlo [16:47] eviljames: oh absolutely [16:47] eviljames: anyone pursuing a profession is going to have to be profit-motivated, as NOONE will pursue such discipline only for the "good of the collective" [16:47] rk4n3: bullshit. [16:47] eviljames, Urchlay is absolutely right on this one [16:47] rk4n3: TONS of people would pursue that for the good of the collective. [16:47] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:47] i think i'm going to go abuse a hot spot now [16:48] They do EVERY DAY. [16:48] I've been able to compare private and public medecine and private is ... expensive to say the least [16:48] yosii: No, he's presenting a strawman. [16:48] rk4n3: how do you explain open source code like the Linux kernel though? [16:48] Urchlay: Lazy educators are not the fault of the public education system. The problem is the people insidie it. [16:48] eviljames: if you can't accept that premise, then we'll suffer from the unreconcilable rift between collectivism and individualism [16:48] eviljames, i've seen that exact scenario attempted on me, my siblings, my children [16:48] (not really jumping tracks: plenty of people start or contribute to open source projects "for the good of the collective", so why not medicine too?) [16:48] rk4n3: Collectivism is how humanity made it this far. Going complete individualism is detrimental as well. [16:48] Urchlay, digital vs analog [16:49] Urchlay: They _DO_ go to med school. [16:49] eviljames: I disagree - you've erected a strawman of sorts [16:49] rk4n3: In the collectivism v. individualism debate? [16:49] eviljames: individualism isn't selfishness [16:49] rk4n3: Broaden your scope of history. How many hunters did it take to bring down a wooly mammoth? [16:49] eviljames: the "public education system" is made up of educators. Who are lazy. So calling it "not the public education system's fault" means what? [16:49] eviljames: individualism is the concentric circles of self, family, community, etc... [16:49] eviljames, thats not collectivism, thats cooperation [16:50] eviljames: every living being abides by it, with the possible exception of hive-mind critters like ants [16:50] eviljames, each hunter got part of the mammoth, a joint venture with equally shared profit [16:50] slackytude: They were hunting for the feeding of their tribe (collective). [16:50] eviljames: yes, individualism allows for (and encourages) cooperation [16:50] I betcha there were bigger/stronger/meaner hunters who'd take more than their share though [16:50] It wasn't about profit. [16:51] Urchlay: There's no real way to verify that, except perhaps studying native americans prior to white man's arrival (again, hard to study). [16:51] seejay (n=seejay@unaffiliated/seejay) left irc: "Leaving" [16:51] eviljames: yeah, it all comes back to the complete lack of time machines. Man, that's responsible for so many of the problems in my life... [16:51] Urchlay: haha [16:52] eviljames, I disagree but who knows, lets pick a more recent example. nobody knows what mammoth hunters did. also, Im ok with tribes. but tribal rules dont work well with nations due to bigger scope [16:52] Urchlay: Tell me about it.. [16:52] tribal rules = "everyone in the tribe is human. Everyone outside the tribe is not human, so screw them"... that's how it seems to me anyway [16:53] when the tribe starts having access to modern technology & weapons, you get nasty atrocities [16:53] rk4n3: If we'd encourage more cooperation, more community building, we wouldn't need as much post-act deterrant for crime. [16:53] rk4n3: (just to bring it full circle :P) [16:53] eviljames, that's completely against human nature [16:54] eviljames: aha :) well, that might just be true :) [16:54] Urchlay: Like what's happening to the Iraqis right now? [16:54] yosii: Your nature perhaps, but not human nature. [16:54] forums are better for this sort of talk [16:54] irc is far too fast [16:55] eviljames, honestly, how many atrocities were committed when cultures meet? [16:55] eviljames, you're dreaming [16:55] ah [16:55] yosii: heh, I was just trying to take a poke at you there.. :P [16:55] yosii: But I see where youre coming from now. And you're right, cultures did war against one another. [16:56] yosii: I'd more likely that religion ("kill the infidels!") is to blame for that. [16:56] err, I'd bet it's more likely... [16:56] eviljames, that would still be human nature [16:56] I disagree, I consider it religious nature. [16:56] it's not that much culture which led to war between cultures/nations/religions/X, it's gree [16:56] Humans inherently want to help each other, not hurt. [16:56] *greed [16:56] eviljames: yep, that's a good example [16:56] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Then again, maybe it's just MY nature. [16:56] our view of what counts as "atrocity" has evolved quite a bit ... over most of human history, enslaving the entirety of a "conquored" culture was considered normal and even generous [16:57] rk4n3, good point [16:57] eh [16:57] you guys are talking smack [16:57] so is what happened to the native americans, or the ancient carthaginians [16:57] kill the infidels is over used [16:57] eviljames, religion is usually the excuse...almost never the reason...as a matter of fact, more people have been killed in the name of 'enlightened socialism' in the past century than were EVER killed by any religious group [16:57] bush told jacques chirac that god told him to kill his mid-east enemies [16:57] lol [16:57] why is nobody talking about that ? [16:57] yosii: Citations? [16:57] jeev: Because it was as stupid when bush said it as it is now. [16:57] jeev: because we all know bush is an idiot? [16:57] not sure humans naturally want to help each other, I am like that but everyone isn't and it's easy to make people be afraid of strangers and have them fight against them [16:57] yea but he still means it. [16:57] jeev: Note: Canada and France both declined to join the Iraq war. [16:58] he still DID it [16:58] eviljames, for a fucking reason ;) [16:58] eviljames, i'll start with the soviet regime [16:58] they were right, US and Britain were wrong [16:58] do you blame canada and france? [16:58] yosii: You think Stalin came anywhere NEAR the body count of Christianity or Islam? [16:58] eviljames, add up the numbers. stalin, hitler and mao killed a lot of people, you know [16:58] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [16:58] eviljames, he far surpassed it [16:58] eviljames, yes, Id say so [16:58] hah [16:58] Camarade_Tux: people *do* naturally want to help others that are close enough to them, but "strangers" ? ... I think there's a good deal of variability there [16:58] eviljames, not to mention hitler [16:58] eviljames, pol pot [16:58] eviljames, mao [16:58] rk4n3, agreed [16:59] eviljames, how do you still blame canada and france? it's been years.. you still can't admit they were right ? [16:59] red khmer [16:59] They could've killed 100 million and only begun to scratch the surface of what kind of damage religion does. [16:59] slackboy, exactly [16:59] crn_ (n=crn@79.135.103.206) joined ##slackware. [16:59] eviljames, in a far smaller time period [16:59] jeev: dude. I'm Canadian. [16:59] rk4n3: yeah. A concrete example: my mother will never believe people with a different skin color from her, deserve to be treated as human beings. It's really sad. [16:59] oh [16:59] slackytude: I was talking about total body counts. [16:59] damn canada! [16:59] Action: jeev skurries off [16:59] Urchlay: well, you'd better not get a tan, then :) [16:59] eviljames, actually, total body count? socialism still has it [16:59] hahah [17:00] eviljames, that doesnt negate the point that atheist or socialist doctrines kill as well. [17:00] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [17:00] slackytude: "Atheist doctrine" [17:00] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:00] slackboy, and on scales that religious regimes could only dream of [17:00] its not a good doctrine if it kills less than others [17:00] slackytude: Oxymoron. [17:00] rk4n3: same applies to religious belief, as far as she's concerned. If she really believed me when I say I'm atheist, she'd have to disown me [17:00] eviljames, I wasnt aware that doctrine is a religious term [17:00] mbohun (n=mbohun@60-240-239-21.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:00] mziulu (i=52555923@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-df5b769ae6750b27) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [17:01] my grandmother is Lebanese, she's racist against asian people (mostly people coming from India, Sri Lanka, ...) [17:01] eviljames, Im guessing you catch my meaning, tho [17:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) joined ##slackware. [17:01] slackytude: Atheism is simply not believing in a God. It's not a structured set of beliefs. [17:01] that condescending "oh, you're not really an atheist, deep in your heart you know better" attitude is in some ways worse than just plain hatred would be [17:01] Urchlay: I'd be optimistic that the family bond would override that :) Your mom will always love you [17:01] eviljames, so you say... [17:01] eviljames, it can be dictated from above, tho [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-221.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] eviljames, the core of your belief is the denial of a deity of any kind [17:02] eviljames, no religion allowed, offerndes will be shot [17:02] rk4n3: yeah, but she has to delude herself to do so. She can't accept me as I am [17:02] eviljames, that leads to relativistic morals [17:02] eviljames, that leads to two divergent paths [17:02] slackytude: eh? where do you get that? [17:02] yosii: No it doesn't. And morality is not the domain of religion. [17:02] eviljames, one is communism [17:02] slackytude: you're talking about the USSR? [17:02] eviljames, and the other is national socialism [17:02] Urchlay, huh? just an example. but yeah the USSR had that, afaik [17:02] Urchlay: understood - I remember someone pointing out that such things are actually more about themselves than you, though - she more can't accept her own "rules" [17:02] yosii: Stop being an asshat. To equate atheism and national/socialism (the precusor to the nazi movement) is retarded. [17:02] yosii: Hitler said he was doing god's work by murdering Jews. [17:02] It's in Mein Kampf. [17:03] eviljames, your morality is derived from a religion you dey [17:03] eviljames, he also said he didn't believe in a god [17:03] yosii: that's just not true [17:03] yosii: That's revisionist history. [17:03] s/dey/deny [17:03] eviljames, the point was, that you were saying religious motivated actions by nations are worse than others. that is false [17:03] yosii: and patently false. [17:03] yosii: religion != morality [17:03] hitler said a lot of self-contradictory things, he was good at telling people exactly what they wanted to hear [17:03] (and good at making people believe lies) [17:03] Well, Godwin and all. [17:03] Urchlay, aye, they should have let him into art school [17:04] eviljames, really, list a few of your moral standards so that we can examine the origin of it [17:04] slackytude: from what I've heard, he had no talent... not seen any examples though (and probably I'm not qualified to be an art judge anyway) [17:04] yosii: oh, I see what you were saying ... you're saying that eviljames' morality matches Christianity, even though he doesn't ascribe to it ? [17:04] It doesn't. [17:04] I don't believe in slavery. [17:04] Urchlay, yeah, but better a bad artist than a dictator [17:05] rk4n3, i'll say that some of his base morals come from xtian faith [17:05] Nor any of the other multitude of idiotic beliefs of the Abrahamic religions. [17:05] rk4n3, and no, i'm not xtian [17:05] yosii: I believe it's wrong to kill people, not because some guy in the sky will punish me for it, but because I don't want to be killed [17:05] eviljames: indeed - but I think that's yosii was trying to say [17:05] "Shellfish is dirty! Shaving is bad!" [17:05] sexy with animals is bad. [17:05] who said so [17:05] it's awesome. [17:05] yosii: you're not Crosstian?! [17:05] jeev: haha [17:05] straterra, nope [17:06] borat: "sexy-time with animals, good yeah ?" [17:06] lol [17:06] heh [17:06] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:06] yosii: acts are moral or immoral in context. Absolutism is stupid. [17:06] straterra, and we need to wrap this up cause i gotta put puter down in less than an hour [17:06] Wrap what up? [17:06] Urchlay: There's a simple argument for why murder is wrong. [17:07] Urchlay: Not everyone can do it. [17:07] eviljames, ok...so what do you consider the worst crime? rape? murder? [17:07] eviljames: good one [17:07] Urchlay: If it's not universally allowed, it shouldn't be allowed. If everyone murdered, everyone would be d ead. [17:07] yosii: There is no "worst crime" that's just more absolutism. [17:07] if you're going to murder someone, might as well eat the body. [17:07] eviljames: hmmm, so suicide is allowed then? [17:07] I feel that suicide should be allowed [17:08] jeev: haha - "don't kill unless you plan to eat it" ? [17:08] Urchlay: No. If everyone killed themselves everyone would be dead. [17:08] yea rk4n3. [17:08] eviljames, for the sake of argument, what do you consider the most vile thing one could do to another? [17:08] out of respect. [17:08] yosii: Acts are moral or immoral in context. I consider the question to be foolish. [17:08] eviljames: agreed [17:08] eviljames, ok...this is going to be fun... [17:08] antiwire: I think most suicides are committed for completely stupid reasons though. I don't think it's wrong in the way murder is wrong, but it's generally a dumb idea [17:08] war is immoral. [17:08] jeev: false [17:08] true. [17:09] Urchlay, yeah, but its the last false judgment they ever make [17:09] jeev: true or false, depending [17:09] jeev: your country is invaded. Fighting back is immoral? [17:09] Urchlay, dont blame "insurgents" in iraq. [17:09] iraq never invaded america. [17:09] not talking about iraq [17:09] that's what im talking about [17:09] eviljames, ok, it's the US frontier, you're a cherokee hunter...the whites are telling you that you are a savage beast and will die because of it [17:09] Action: jeev flicks Urchlay's forehead [17:09] Urchlay: My position is that if a person decides that suicide is the only solution they should be allowed to do it, but don't make a huge mess for the living to clean up. [17:10] I thought you were talking about war being immoral, in an absolute sense (not one specific war being immoral) [17:10] :> [17:10] they need to let gays marry and people commit suicide [17:10] eviljames, are you going to accept your death? [17:10] if someone wants to die, you have no right stopping them [17:10] antiwire: Suicide is one of the most selfish acts anyone can pull. It's pretty much never the only solution. [17:10] eviljames: which is why i think the person should be allowed to do it. [17:10] IT is selfish but some people dont deserve to go through the pain and shit they go through [17:10] care for yourself before you care for another. [17:10] jeev: if someone I care about wants to die, I might try to talk them out of it (or not, depending on what the reason is) [17:10] antiwire: and hurt everyone who cares about them? [17:10] yosii, are you going to accept your death? what sort of questio is that [17:11] eviljames: if they are wired that way it is probably best to let them remove their genes from the pool. [17:11] Urchlay, what if that someone you care about has mental issues and will never be happy? [17:11] slackboy, look at my post before it [17:11] jeev: suicide is almost useless to talk about, because noone can really prevent it anyway [17:11] yosii, sorry [17:11] eviljames: " and hurt everyone who cares about them?" <--that's selfish too. [17:11] zactly! [17:11] yosii: Even in that context, the question is not really useful. [17:11] jeev: I don't have a snap answer prepared for every possibility. All I'm saying is, you can't make a one-size-fits-all rule [17:11] antiwire: I' [17:11] eviljames, oh, it's useful [17:11] if i'm depressed, absolutely depressed and know nothing is going to change it.. something bad happened to me, i think about it EVERY second of my life. why should i care about another person? [17:11] Urchlay: Hell yea! You can't make a one-size-fits-all rule! [17:11] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [17:12] jeev: It's selfish of you not to care about other people. [17:12] eviljames, you say morals are to be taken in context...the whites wanted the land, and killed off dozens of pre-existing nations to take it [17:12] eviljames: exactly, which is why the minimum rules is always best [17:12] antiwire: I'm driving at the people the suicid-ee leaves behind. [17:12] it's also stupid of you to care for other people and then die inside. [17:12] eviljames: one-size-fits-all doesn't even work for something as simple as latex gloves... [17:12] rk4n3: No, that's not the logical extention of my stance. One Size Fits All is not a reason to have the minimum of rules. [17:12] eviljames: that decision isn't up to the other people though. [17:12] eviljames: I think an argument to that effect can be constructed [17:13] whats it matter if suicide is illegal anyway? what's the suicider have to worry about ? [17:13] rk4n3: Can be, for sure. It can just as easily be debated, though. [17:13] going to jail after they're dead? [17:13] jeev: as far as i know it's not illegal to kill yourself [17:13] jeev: going to jail for an attempted crime? [17:13] eviljames, are you going to answer or sidestep and ridicule? [17:13] eviljames: true, still I think its a strong position [17:13] well if you're going to attempt it, make sure it happened.. or say you slipped [17:13] yosii: I would kill every single last one of them. Without hesitation. [17:13] yosii: But in context, it's pretty much the only solution. [17:13] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] every single last one of what [17:13] yosii: "I'm going to kill you" "no, I'm going to kill you first" [17:14] yosii: Both stances are wrong. [17:14] yeah! Kill Them All! [17:14] oh wait [17:14] it's illegal to be the person who assisted the suicide but it's not illegal to off yourself as long as you don't do it by illegal means, like blowing your sorry ass up in a store some something like that. [17:14] slackytude: great album [17:14] Urchlay, heh [17:14] jeev: He's trying to bring up a foolish debate about "What if the white man was invading your home, saying they're going to kill you? What then?" [17:14] eviljames, actually...no...neither was wrong, in a moral relativistic manner [17:14] kill back. [17:14] there is no such thing as an insurgency [17:14] jeev: kill first. [17:14] exactly [17:14] self-defense is always justified, or it isn't. Don't bring race/color into it... [17:15] yosii: Read above for why murder is wrong. [17:15] NOT IN CALIFORNIA! [17:15] jeev: umm yes it is. [17:15] Urchlay: Yeah, which is why I called yosii's question foolish. [17:15] if someone comes to your house, you better make sure you kill them. [17:15] eviljames, you said everything can be justified in context [17:15] or you'll get sued [17:15] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:15] yosii: Yea, and in that context I could justify a few murders. That doesn't mean that murder is right ina general sense. [17:15] oh boy... [17:15] yosii: This is the problem with absolutism. [17:16] eviljames, no, you just pointed out a problem with the relative perspective [17:16] What? [17:16] Please, elaborate [17:16] (this debate is SO much better than working on a payday friday!) [17:16] heh [17:17] yosii: btw, I do apologize if I've said anything against you personally. [17:17] yosii: I don't mean to call /you/ dumb or anthing like that. [17:17] you stated that the americans were right(albeit indirectly) and proceeded to state that you'd fight against their 'right' action [17:17] I liked the gun stuff more. or the individual vs collective thing. religious debates are lame [17:18] slackytude: I agree, religious debates are lame. But we're into morality now. [17:18] slackboy, even though i'm christian.. religion is piece of shit [17:18] killer and ender of the world [17:18] well, thats lame [17:18] slackytude: religious debates are lame because nobody ever changes anybody else's mind even one tiny bit... [17:18] yosii: Which americans are right? [17:18] Urchlay, yeah [17:18] 05:16 boy that yosii sure is dumb [17:18] eviljames, the cowboys who were killing off the nations on land they needed [17:18] Urchlay: That's pretty well true of many ideological stances [17:18] heret|c: hahah stop stirring up the pot :P [17:18] lol [17:19] yosii: How could they have been right? [17:19] Action: heret|c steps back out of it [17:19] jeev: california law stipulates that if you are anywhere, not just in your house, and someone comes at you with deadly force, deadly force my be used in self defense. However, if you shoot and you shoot them in the leg because you didn't want to kill them...you will be prosecuted 1. discharging a firearm in city limits 2. assault with a deadly weapon (if you shot below the waist) or 3. attempted murder if you shot above the waist. you're bett [17:19] eviljames, they justified it... [17:19] eviljames: yeah... religion maybe more so though. [17:19] LOL antiwire. [17:19] that' fucked up [17:19] you're bett what ? [17:19] better of killing them [17:19] you're better off killing the offender [17:19] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:19] yosii: Who justified it? [17:19] don't shoot to maim [17:19] antiwire, what if you shoot the guy 13 times to kill them [17:20] eviljames, those who committed the atrocities [17:20] jeev: it means you're out of ammo? [17:20] will they prosecute you cause he could've lived? [17:20] what if you're a bad shot, seriously [17:20] jeev: you'd have to explain why you emptied a magazine into a dead body... [17:20] no, bad shot, i had to shoot him 12 times to kill him [17:20] yosii: No they didn't. [17:20] eviljames, and you, indirectly, by stating everything can be justified in context [17:20] yosii: At least, not in your example. [17:20] yosii, are you against the iraq war? [17:20] todakure (n=todakure@189.114.209.171) left irc: "Leaving" [17:20] eviljames, one MAY leave out details when those details are freely available [17:21] jeev, i personally don't give a damn about the iraq war [17:21] i see [17:21] Action: jeev puts down his sword [17:21] jeev: it's also illegal to own and use non-lethal rounds like bean bags. California law says shoot to kill. [17:21] heh antiwire, cool [17:21] antiwire: If you're not in enough danger to shoot to kill, you're not in enough danger to shoot. [17:21] antiwire, yeah, so does new york law...if you shoot someone in self defense, you should kill them [17:21] eviljames: exactly [17:21] hm. What about hitting with a baseball bat? Have to try to break his skull? [17:22] all i know is if you're near the border to another country, step into the other country and fire [17:22] cause california is weird [17:22] yosii: It seems you've left out a pretty important detail or two. People coming up to a stranger and saying "We're going to kill you" doesn't qualify as a justifaction. [17:22] Urchlay: as long as they were coming at you with lethal force, you had to do what you had to do. [17:22] eviljames, they needed the land for their families [17:22] antiwire: if someone breaks into my house and I catch them in the act, I might whack them with a baseball bat no matter how well-armed (or unarmed) they may be [17:22] Urchlay: i'm with you [17:23] as far as i'm concerned, if they pick my house they've picked the wrong house [17:23] antiwire: ++ [17:23] antiwire, everyone says that [17:23] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-189-34.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:23] what if your weapon jams [17:23] yosii: And how does that justify killing? [17:23] if nothing else, I'd threaten them with whatever weapon was at hand. If they don't respond to the threat by backing down (leaving, or surrendering, whatever), then I pretty much *have* to follow through on the threat [17:23] and you're sore from that night of working out [17:23] I'll go medieval [17:23] you cant swing a bat [17:23] jeev: i can swing my gun around... [17:23] if my 12gauge jams I will wack them with it [17:23] eviljames, the savages had the land...they needed it...the savages refused to leave... [17:23] i'd just swing my penis and kill all the attackers [17:24] what if i use a battle ready katana to chop the perpatrator up ? [17:24] yosii: That doesn't exactly have legs to stand on, does it? [17:24] heret|c: chop him into small enough pieces to flush down the toilet? [17:24] hehe [17:24] twolf: that's been my plan too, if the gun jams it becomes a blunt bludgeoning tool. [17:24] mm... minced robber [17:24] "intruder? what intruder? I don't see any intruder, do you?" [17:24] eviljames, not really, but, at the time, they believed it was enough justification [17:25] eviljames, your country did much of the same under british rule [17:25] that would be brutal. katana some burglar [17:25] yosii: ok, so how does that refute any of my statements about context? Are you saying that in context the settlers were right to kill the natives? [17:25] I saw a video of a guy with a katana threatening people on the sidewalk - they tried bean-bag shooting, then took him down with a fire hose ... kinda funny [17:25] how the hell do you explain that to a court room? [17:25] yosii: My country did worse, we destroyed the culture almost entirely. [17:25] eviljames, in their context, if morals are to be taken in context [17:25] a guy in my town found 2 guys that broke into his house and he pulled a gun on them and sais they started crying like little school girls, held the gun on them till the cops got there [17:25] "well you see, he came at me with a wrench, so i grabbed my katana and cut is arm off" [17:26] heh twolf [17:26] yosii: So, then, you believe that the settlers were right to kill the natives in context? [17:26] twolf: what'd the cops do? (what did the judge eventually do?) [17:26] "yea officer, i just swung my penis around and they died; instantly." [17:26] twolf: they'll all badasses until someone whips out a handgun [17:26] eviljames, i believe in an absolute set of morals [17:26] yosii: There's a reason we have the treaties we do now, if you want to get into the treatment of the natives in Canada. [17:27] yosii: Because we are doing what we can, post act, to make up for the wrongs committed in the past. [17:27] eviljames, but under your moral system, it was right [17:27] cops took them to jail, I don't know what the result was but the homeowner got on the front page of the paper [17:27] Canada? That's not even a real country [17:27] yosii: No, under my moral system, the natives are owed. [17:27] heret|c: We're bigger, and we're on top. [17:27] yosii: an absolute set of morals? like, "Stealing is bad"? What if you're stealing so you can feed your kids? [17:27] heret|c: stfu [17:27] Urchlay, it's still evil [17:27] oh canaaaaaaaadaa [17:27] what? [17:27] yosii: No way. [17:27] eviljames, yeah but theres only like what.. 2 million of ya? we've got that in New York city alone [17:27] Urchlay, there is lesser and greater evil...theft is a lesser evil [17:28] heret|c: tsk tsk, ignorant. [17:28] new york city sucks [17:28] new yorkers suck] [17:28] with your beedy little eyes and flappy little heads [17:28] collectively, biggest assmunchers on earth [17:28] ;) [17:28] "evil"... emotionally loaded word [17:28] yosii: "lesser and greater evil" So you're a moral relativist as well. [17:28] jeev, yeah, and you can kiss my ass [17:28] nev0r! [17:28] Canada: America's hat [17:28] eviljames, no...the standards are fully defined...to save life, one can break all halacha except three [17:28] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.171) joined ##slackware. [17:29] well this has degraded significantly. took longer than i had anticipated but it did happen [17:29] heret|c: It's good that you get your education from South Park, I guess. It really serves to reinforce my argument that parents who keep their kids ignorant are abusing them. [17:29] eviljames: like the hicks in Butte that I'd tell I dogsledded to the border, and jumped on my bike from there, and they believed me. :P [17:29] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Client Quit [17:29] chopp: hahaha Butte is a hole. But WHAT a St. Patty's day party! [17:29] true that [17:30] actually, technically, brooklyn isn't nyc, even though it IS one of the 5 boroughs [17:30] eviljames, it's good that you get my harmless joke as an indication of my educational background. It really serves to reinforce my arguement that some people are to ignorant and/or uptight in this day and age. [17:30] s/to/too/g [17:31] heret|c: haha [17:31] note: never take me seriously :) [17:31] heret|c: You'd have to have been lurking earlier to get that :D [17:31] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [17:31] hi i have a printer, i connected it to my pc via usb, now how can i get it to print? [17:31] and, for laughs, take a look at a map of manhattan...looks like a flaccid phallus [17:32] eviljames, if you seen the bash command sequence i finnally come up with, you'd know why i wasn't lurking lol [17:32] chopp: did you get a chance to look at that licence plate palce? [17:32] missyjane find a cups wiki [17:32] lns40 (i=5a95cb22@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b68aee557645c222) joined ##slackware. [17:32] any "for dummies" instead of wiki? [17:32] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [17:33] wikis ARE for dummies [17:33] NyteOwl: omg, I'm sorry I totaly forgot about it. I just made myself a note, and will call them tomorrow. [17:33] seriously t hough. lsusb first and formost to make sure your printer is recognized [17:34] chopp: no problem, it's not important. whenever you think of it is fine [17:34] lol [17:34] ok [17:34] Action: NyteOwl just found a not bad deal on a Marauder [17:34] look into it [17:34] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:35] heret|c: ahh. btw, for the most part never take me too seriously either (in case you hadn't inferred that thus far) [17:36] eviljames, i try not to take anyone too seriously, but I do tend to pick up on what's going on under the surface by trolling em a little [17:37] For instance, you get pride in thinking of yourself as a person with above average intelligence ;) [17:37] not to say you're full of yourself. don't get me wrong. [17:37] Oh, I'm totally full of myself. [17:37] I get boners looking in the mirror. [17:37] Especially when looking at my brain. [17:37] i get boners looking at you look at yourself int he mirror ;) [17:38] seckzi. [17:38] ack! [17:38] of course what else will you see but bone ion an empty skull? [17:38] Action: NyteOwl hides [17:38] heret|c: You're not far from the mark on the intelligence comment. [17:38] I walk away for 5 minutes, come back, and you're comparing boners [17:38] heret|c: Really, I think that people of above average intelligence should be lauded. The ignorant should by ridiculed. [17:39] s/lauded/praised/ [17:39] ignorance isn;t lack of intelligence - it's lack of information heh [17:39] I guess lauded isn't even a word... dunno where I picked that up from :P [17:39] eviljames: is that why you hang around here? :) [17:39] stupity on the other hand ... [17:39] laudated [17:39] delete nn and use canto-git for rss and feeds :) [17:39] I believe people should be left alone to be who they are. genetics have more to do with intelligence then anything. Knowledge is something that can be helped however [17:39] lauded is a word, of sorts [17:39] NyteOwl: A good distinction. [17:39] it is a word - not of sourts [17:40] Urchlay, same here [17:40] alisonken1home: That's part of the reason that I think ##slackware is a great place to be. The people here tend to be a mile above average. [17:40] s/sourts/sorts/ (funny keyboard today) [17:40] alisonken1home: And those that aren't are mercilessly ridiculed until they leave. Usually not even by me! [17:40] eviljames: I was thinking the other way, but ok :) [17:40] it is a word, just not one in common usage :P [17:40] NyteOwl: found there website: http://decalsandsigns.com/ [17:40] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426562.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [17:40] cool, thanks [17:41] you're welcome [17:41] yosii (n=yosi@ool-18bc0302.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "shabbat shalom" [17:41] alisonken1home: Which other way now? [17:42] you getting ridiculed [17:42] :) [17:42] oh [17:42] I've had my share as well [17:42] Yeah, I'm fine with that. I'm just as prone to saying stupid things as anyone :P [17:44] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [17:46] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] ahahaha wtf [17:48] NyteOwl: I just read the backlog about the empty skull. ZING! hahaha [17:48] are you guys still talking about murder? [17:48] jeev: I'll talk about whatever you want [17:48] $5 per minuyte [17:48] 1-900-cum-fast [17:48] ok, i'll transfer monopoly monies [17:49] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:49] $ fortune "slackware users don't matter. in my experience, slackware users are either clueless newbies who will have trouble even with tar, or they are rabid do-it-yourselfers who wouldn't install someone else's pre-compiled binary even if they were paid to do it." <<< why don't they site quotes like this? [17:49] i havent eaten foods [17:49] site or cite? [17:49] sight! [17:49] i'm hungries [17:50] cite the site for my sight [17:50] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-185-123.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:52] I'm thinking about murdering the guy who released this bit of software with 6 different licenses [17:52] Urchlay, can we add another person to that murder/ since you're going to go to jail? [17:52] kind of like when congress adds random s hit to a bill [17:53] heh [17:53] alienBlurb (i=3351@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [17:53] "I'd like to attach a rider to that murder." [17:53] darn tootn' [17:54] take out every single fedora/redhat/ubuntu/centos user out [17:54] and every other shitty linux ;D [17:54] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0264B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] what would you call that? distrocide? [17:54] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: "Smoke my bones" [17:54] turdicide. [17:54] wow, that's a bit - radical ? [17:54] rk4n3: s/radical/totally insane/ ? [17:54] Diversity is what Linux thrives on! [17:55] true, i guess if i start hacking again.. i could always target redhat. [17:55] again. [17:55] if you kill all the users of the inferior linux distros... you won't be able to feel superior to them any more [17:55] if you take out every ubuntu user, you'd be borderline hitler [17:55] (I mean, not on an ongoing basis) [17:55] alienBlurb? haha [17:55] I pre ordered slack 13 today ^-^ [17:55] jeev: plase leave the centos people alone - my web host uses that :) [17:55] heret|c: Nooooo!! You've invoked Godwin, now jeev wins the argument! [17:56] ubuntu users make up about 45% of new linux users from the past 3 years [17:56] never [17:56] heret|c: thats better than gentoo though [17:56] eviljames, ah shit... forgot about godwin [17:56] god those were horrible days for irc channels lol [17:56] Action: heret|c uses gentoo... [17:56] if i read another diatribe on CFLAGS again!! ill kill [17:57] stupid windows update has IE8 as "high priority" [17:57] NyteOwl, i uninstalled that shiet [17:57] acidkill: make sure you -funrollllooooops [17:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:57] jeev: I just didn't isntall it. you don't have auto updates on I hope [17:57] nope [17:57] but i thought i'd try it. [17:58] agh, it ships with 3 copies of the LGPL (one v3, two are v2.1 but with different word-wrapping so they don't md5sum the same..) [17:58] O I tried it on the test machine at office. I just got around to this months update of my win install at hope. [17:58] surprised to find it listed as hipri, though I shouldn't have been [17:58] hi folks, i am trying to use openvpn and then load tun module but tun device not exist, i must creat it manually? [17:59] why not install IE8 [17:59] it's wack [17:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:59] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] ovnicraft: did you load the tun module ? modprobe tun [17:59] less so than 6 [17:59] err 7 [17:59] rk4n3, yes [17:59] *and* a copy of the regular GPL, *and* its own weird license [17:59] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-88.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:59] ovnicraft: any dmesg feedback ? maybe it failed ... [18:00] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) joined ##slackware. [18:00] omg, slackboy isn't op, we're doomed :o [18:00] ovnicraft: also, "lsmod | grep tun" ... does it show up ? [18:00] only really need ie for winupdate and thsoe idiots of web designers that do custom shit for IE [18:00] or ignore them altogether which is my prefered option [18:00] "Dyslexia means never having to say that you're ysror." [18:01] just tun: Universal TUN/TAP device driver, 1.6 tun: (C) 1999-2004 Max Krasnyansky [18:01] no more [18:01] heret|c: lol [18:01] you mean yrros [18:01] ovnicraft: OK, how about "lsmod | grep tun" ... show up ? [18:01] NyteOwl: yeah ignore definatly [18:01] dyslexics mix the letters up. not read backwards [18:02] is up, tun 1260 0 [18:02] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) got netsplit. [18:02] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) got netsplit. [18:02] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) got netsplit. [18:02] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) got netsplit. [18:02] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) got netsplit. [18:02] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [18:02] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-af920cfc93f88963) got netsplit. [18:02] ph|ber (n=phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) got netsplit. [18:02] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) got netsplit. [18:02] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) got netsplit. [18:02] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) got netsplit. [18:02] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) got netsplit. [18:02] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) got netsplit. [18:02] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) got netsplit. [18:02] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-109-50.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:02] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:02] rvewtahe [18:02] ovnicraft: ls -l /dev/net/tun ? [18:03] is there [18:03] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] Jean (n=jean@jean.xen.prgmr.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-af920cfc93f88963) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] ccfreak2k (i=ccfreak2@li26-205.members.linode.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] ph|ber (n=phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:03] what a lovely bunch of netsplits we have here. [18:03] OK, seems good then... perhaps your permissions aren't allowing your process access to it ? [18:03] spaceplo_ (i=SpacePlo@72.20.48.65) joined ##slackware. [18:04] (^^^ ovnicraft ^^^) [18:04] i am root [18:04] stealth- (n=stealth@unaffiliated/stealth-) joined ##slackware. [18:04] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:04] ovnicraft: did you actually load the tun module yet? [18:04] fred__ (n=fred@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] antiwire: already went through that with him :) [18:04] antiwire, yes [18:04] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [18:04] ovnicraft, no ~I~ am root! [18:04] heret|c, lol [18:05] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.226) left irc: [18:05] ovnicraft: OK, well your tun device is there, so if you have further issues, you'll have to describe them [18:05] this is some crappy network conditions that's for sure [18:05] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [18:08] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.116.159) got lost in the net-split. [18:08] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "()" [18:08] heret|c: Stop lying to people _I_ am root. [18:08] Coolmax (n=mateusz@ip-89-174-40-197.multimo.gtsenergis.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:09] cat eviljames >/dev/null [18:09] I AM ROOT [18:09] eep! [18:09] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [18:09] Do you realize how many holes there could be if people would just take [18:09] the time to take the dirt out of them? [18:10] Action: eviljames guttermind. That was pleasant [18:10] "root, god, what is difference?" [18:11] wonder if you can set your system up to rename root to god [18:11] Urchlay, you like taht quote [18:11] heret|c: vi /etc/passwd [18:11] then let me know how it works out for you :P [18:11] eviljames: NO. [18:11] Urchlay: the ability to be compromised [18:11] $ su Please enter God's password: [18:11] eviljames: vipw [18:11] heret|c: probably can't be typed on any sane keyboard though [18:11] Urchlay: One of the two exists. That's the difference. [18:11] heh [18:12] ++eviljames; [18:12] eviljames, atheist ? [18:12] heret|c: No, I'm a ubuntard, we don't have root on our systems. [18:12] Action: heret|c facepalms [18:14] monstro (i=1000@201-92-49-98.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] Action: Camarade_Tux finally gives up and starts being in favor of firearms so he can shoot eviljames by himself for being an ubuntard :) [18:14] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-109-50.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:14] Urchlay: more importantly, one doesn't have listening services [18:14] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-109-50.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:14] heret|c: I hope you caught that it was dripping with sarcasm. :P [18:15] DeeeeP_ (i=1003@bl8-67-252.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:15] fred (n=fred@slamd64/fred) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:15] crap, so I have no reason to kill you now ? =/ [18:15] I never said that. [18:15] There's always jealousy. [18:15] eviljames, you can't seriously think that a higher being doesn't exist [18:15] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] heret|c: i am here [18:16] eviljames, for that " heret|c: No, I'm a ubuntard" ;) [18:16] you can take in your answers of science all day long but in the end you run out of answers to the questions [18:16] heret|c: I very seriously believe that there is no god. [18:16] adrenaline (n=repsol@tuxhacker/adrenaline) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:16] you go as far back as the big bang.. and then what [18:16] same for god ;-) [18:16] where did the gases come from? [18:16] acidchild, very true [18:16] who created him....same with the big bang, who created that [18:16] heret|c: it's all just energy. [18:16] heret|c, just because not all answers are known doesnt imply there is a god [18:16] unmeaningful questions based on our knowledge of universe [18:17] WE'RE all just energy. [18:17] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:17] ah, crap, now we're back to fruitless religious argument [18:17] slackytude. common sense tells us theirs a beginning and an end and you can't get something from nothing [18:17] Urchlay: there is no argument....intel, slackware, scotch, brunettes, ferrari, and atheism [18:17] we know the answers -D [18:17] acidkill: WOW [18:18] acidkill: actually I like AMD and redheads :) [18:18] acidkill: You literally summed up my entire life's belief system. [18:18] heret|c, common sense might be wrong. [18:18] Urchlay: Change your nick to heret|c [18:18] put your fingers in the socket [18:18] acidkill, brunettes, blondes, redheads, no matter the hair ;) [18:18] ehh, better when you only see skin ;-) [18:18] now i'm not saying i'm a christian or anything like that [18:18] tsss :p [18:18] acidkill: yeah, bald chicks rule! [18:18] in fact, i'm agnostic at best [18:18] zounds_ (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:18] Camarade_Tux: true. I've even met a couple of cute girls with shaved heads :) [18:19] So, then why get up my arse for knowing that there's no such thing? [18:19] zounds (n=zounds@81-234-214-184-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [18:19] smed_ (n=smed@ool-435058a9.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] eviljames: he was an alter boy? [18:19] Urchlay, but it's usually a pity =/ [18:19] Action: acidkill runs sorrry [18:19] lol [18:19] acidkill: hahahahaha [18:19] imagine how they'd be with hair :) [18:19] I used to know this hot bald chick [18:19] i've seen the hubble pictures depicting galaxies so far away that the light that we see should have originated back near the big bang itself [18:20] adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] slackytude: I'd never seen a hot bald chick. pix or it didn't happen. [18:20] heret|c, a bit further out and you would see god with a stick, prodding the galaxies, just for fun [18:20] slackytude, a bit futher out and i belive you'd see even more galaxies [18:20] eviljames, didnt happen then :( [18:20] eviljames, bald, but where ? =D [18:21] Camarade_Tux: That's not bald, that's shaven :P [18:21] heret|c, nah [18:21] Camarade_Tux: And we all know french women don't do that, so stop pretending! [18:21] earth is a spec to a spec to a spec floating in a see of infinite nothing where the only breaks to the monotony is more specs [18:21] s/see/sea/g [18:21] i did a bald one to purple haze, she was well fit [18:21] heret|c, if they were that far out, there cant be anymore [18:21] eviljames, haha, you really think so ? [18:21] :p [18:22] slackytude, no, we just can't see that far... yet [18:22] Camarade_Tux: Nah, I know that french women are great. I just like propagating stereotypes! [18:22] (and you shouldn't bet the same for lebanese girls ;) ) [18:22] any futher then that, and the light just hasn't gotten here yet [18:22] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [18:22] Camarade_Tux: There's so many different ways I could go after that comment, but all of them would reveal that I grew up in a redneck part of th world :P [18:22] eviljames, I think I should try to propagate all french women do :D [18:22] oh crap I just revealed it! [18:22] french women? [18:23] cheese eating surrender monkey's come in female form too? [18:23] bah [18:23] i bought something after the cut off [18:23] Camarade_Tux: I'll help. We'll split 'em in half. You can have the over 40s, I'll have the under 40s. [18:23] if i bought it before, i would've had it now [18:23] so peesed [18:23] heret|c: cheese eating surrender monkey! Thank you Groundskeeper Willie for that glorious phrase! [18:23] eviljames, ok, as long as I have the over 85sC, I'm ok :D [18:23] ... was that quote seriously from willie ? [18:24] you're all jealous they can actually cook :) [18:24] heret|c: Yeah. Someone says: "They've even got the groundskeeper teaching French" and then it clips to willie saying: "Bonjour ya cheese eating surrender monkeys!" [18:24] awesome [18:24] Today young men on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one conciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream in which we are the imagination of ourself... -Bill Hicks [18:24] ^^ perfect [18:25] Bill Hicks had so many better quotes than that. [18:25] That's just the famous one from a tool song. [18:25] yeah ..... imma tool fan. you got me XD [18:25] I'm not criticizing. I love tool! [18:25] heret|c, that might be true, but you still have to pay taxes [18:25] slackytude, bummer [18:26] heret|c: "I've noticed a certain anti-intellectualism going around this country; since about 1980, oddly enough...I was in Nashville, Tennessee and after the show I went to a Waffle House. I'm not proud of it, but I was hungry. And I'm sitting there eating and reading a book. I don't know anybody, I'm alone, so I'm reading a book. The waitress comes over to me like, [gum smacking] "What'chu readin' for?" I had never been asked that. Not "What am I reading [18:27] urg [18:27] heret|c: What point did that cut off at :P [18:27] "not what i'm readin" [18:27] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left irc: "Leaving." [18:27] but "What am I reading for?" Goddangit, you stumped me. Hmm, why do I read? I suppose I read for a lot of reasons, one of the main ones being so I don't end up being a fucking waffle waitress." - Bill Hicks [18:28] LOL [18:28] Unregistered (n=Unregist@91.104.127.178) joined ##slackware. [18:28] heret|c: "I believe that the Bible is the literal word of God." And I say no, it's not, Dad. "Well I believe that it is." Well, you know, some people believe they're Napoleon. That's fine. Beliefs are neat. Cherish them, but don't share them like they're the truth. -- Bill Hicks [18:28] hi [18:28] heret|c: I'm telling you look the guy up. He's got some great lines :P [18:29] eviljames, one step ahead of ya [18:29] does some one want to buy 200 ds games for £55 [18:29] watching a "best of" on youtube. [18:29] heret|c: There's a spiel about JFK - he totally did not believe the offical story :P [18:29] Good call. [18:29] http://www.surfthechannel.com/search/all/3/1/bill hicks.html# [18:29] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [18:30] does some one want to buy 200 ds games for £55 [18:30] Unregistered: Does anyone want spam? If so they'll sign up a hotmail account. [18:30] after you've typed '/quit' [18:31] "you ever notice how people who believe in creationism look really unevolved.." [18:32] did I already mention that I ordered slack 13 today? [18:32] slackytude: 13 times, in fact. [18:32] damn [18:32] slackytude: That makes it a perfect square of slackware. [18:32] he's counting haha [18:32] thats good! [18:32] slackytude, no, not today, only yesterday ;) [18:32] oh right [18:32] oh damn [18:32] ha! [18:33] =P [18:33] Camarade_Tux: Beurocrat Camrade, you are technically correct. The best kind of correct! [18:33] well, techincally, I ordereded it yesterday, not today [18:33] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.186.154.17) joined ##slackware. [18:33] duh! bureaucrat [18:33] eviljames, he :P [18:33] Action: eviljames is failing miserably. [18:34] I got me one of the t.shirts too [18:34] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [18:34] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:35] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) left irc: "leaving" [18:35] bahahahahahahahhahaa [18:35] The Slackware Store doesn't sell any small t-shirts! [18:35] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:35] I'll have to order a medium from you fatasses, eh? [18:36] did that as well [18:37] eviljames: they're not big enough! :P [18:37] only 40 days left [18:37] ye gods! [18:38] does some one want to buy 200 ds games for £55 [18:38] does some one want to kickban Unregistered [18:38] attn: OPS [18:38] rworkman: ping? [18:38] so i guess freenode is craigslist now? [18:38] ant #ers is invite only [18:38] =( [18:38] slackytude: You already have a case plate, I assume. [18:39] eviljames, a slackware one, you mean? [18:39] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [18:39] slackytude: yuh [18:39] eviljames, if so, no [18:40] slackytude: Then why didn't you tack one onto your order? USD$2.50 [18:40] question: anyone try qemu on slackware64 yet ? [18:40] eviljames, dont see the point [18:40] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] eviljames, I was tempted to buy the slackware penguin tho [18:40] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.145.95) joined ##slackware. [18:40] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:41] I'm tempted to try it, but if someone has any definite "don't do it" insights, it would be nice to know :) [18:41] a stuffed penguin with a corn cob pipe? [18:41] heret|c, not sure it got a pipe actually. probably not tho [18:41] it does. [18:41] if no pipe then it's just a linux penguin [18:42] all hail BOB [18:42] http://store.slackware.com/cgi-bin/store/slackdoll?id=uxa4FwTH:mv_pc=108 [18:42] Unregistered (n=Unregist@91.104.127.178) left irc: "DCEmu Rocks My Socks" [18:42] its "BOB" [18:42] in BOB we trust [18:42] "BOB" [18:42] one of my girls has a vibrator named BOB [18:42] FYI =D [18:42] iirc it has a pipe [18:42] All vibrators are named BOB. Battery Operated Buddy. [18:43] eesh [18:43] I thought that was common knowledge. [18:43] acidchild, one of your girls? [18:43] acidchild, how many you have? [18:43] eviljames, it saddens me that you know that [18:43] I guess I'll take the phrase "I have a date with bob" differently now ... [18:43] eviljames: never picked up on that one...but its a crazy frigging thing man....has all kinda buttons and stuff [18:43] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [18:43] rk4n3, heh [18:43] i was scared when i saw it [18:44] Do not phear it [18:44] Use it to your advantage. DP w/o the DP! [18:44] slackytude: well...its a FWB thing. [18:44] heh. so "Microsoft Bob" is what, exactly? [18:44] lol [18:44] well, the one isnt...least not to her [18:44] but 4, 5 [18:44] acidchild, FWB? [18:44] friend with benefits [18:44] ah [18:44] That's a great spot to be in. [18:44] the B doesn't stand for "bob"? [18:44] one is a 41yr old black woman with kids...thats a weird one. i get a call before she leaves work on bad days =D [18:45] female with bob... she doesn't need you [18:45] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-0-181-131.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Urchlay: just like you dont need a woman if you have a hand? [18:45] Urchlay: I disagree. They still need to get money somewhere! [18:45] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:46] niXmiX3 (n=thybridd@71.16.214.27) joined ##slackware. [18:46] heh....theres some freaks out there too man.... [18:46] heh [18:46] what if the penguin is watching you do things OTHER than coding [18:47] one has like...50 dildos, one...yes it has a video cam and RCA cables [18:47] can hook it to a TV [18:47] HOLYU CRAP [18:47] ...reminds me of a "video" i seen with a woman and her beloved teddy bear [18:47] tyes [18:47] acidkill: Awesome! [18:47] .... and a strap on [18:48] heret|c, thats relevant to my interests [18:48] eviljames: it is really cool but kinda weird watching tv as you play [18:48] strap on + stuffed animal + girl = bad [18:48] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0264B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] slackytude: hahahahah [18:48] antiwire, =good [18:48] ^-^ [18:48] girls get all power trippy if you give them a penis [18:48] it's bad. [18:48] haha [18:48] ... it was given to the stuffed animal you boob [18:48] lol [18:48] Everyone has lines. I draw mine at strap-ons. [18:48] lol [18:49] I'm cool with many other things. But not that. [18:49] yeah no strap-on's for me either [18:49] eviljames: i have no problem with other phallics being onvolved, but the go into her, not me [18:49] antiwire would know [18:49] he's dated hundreds of men, err chicks with penises [18:49] ffm, with a dp of a one girl = hot [18:49] =D [18:49] whoa now [18:49] dp + hot in the same sentence is not good either [18:49] acidkill: In an ffm, I'm the star of the show. [18:50] there's nothing hot about DP [18:50] Hey antiwire, how's it going? [18:50] wtf is DP [18:50] IT'S A TRAP [18:50] firebird619: good, save for the DP talk [18:50] jeev: google it [18:50] antiwire: two girls, one strapped and the other girl getting the dp [18:50] lol [18:50] no [18:50] i'm not going to taint my history [18:50] firebird619: hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha [18:50] smica (n=smica@212.16.128.180) left irc: [18:50] with a search for an unknown term [18:50] hah [18:50] haha [18:50] hard to google two letter words [18:50] firebird619: For the record, http://www.lmgtfy/?q= <- then add search terms [18:50] jeev: google already knows how sick you are. a search for DP won't hurt anymore [18:51] dick penis? [18:51] slackytude: I'd bet DP brings up the kind of results that would be quite educational for jeev :P [18:51] hahaha [18:51] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [18:51] DP [18:51] n : a person forced to flee from home or country [syn: {displaced [18:51] person}, {stateless person}] [18:51] eviljames, no,it doesnt [18:51] hah nope [18:51] firebird619: ie: http://www.lmgtfy/?q=DP [18:51] Really? [18:51] when in doubt, use urbandictionnary ;) [18:51] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DP [18:51] the forced part is correct in that definition though [18:51] oh [18:51] fags [18:51] but that's about all [18:51] just say double penetration [18:51] lol [18:51] hah [18:51] lol [18:52] jeev but girls think that sounds dirty [18:52] lns40 (i=5a95cb22@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b68aee557645c222) left ##slackware. [18:52] jeev: you could have looked it up with FF 3.5b4 with private mode on. :P [18:52] saying 'ok, doggy, dp, then creampie' sounds better [18:52] and they are more willing [18:52] =D [18:52] i dunno what kind of man you are but you wouldn't catch me in the view of another man [18:52] DP 12 up, 6 down [18:52] Director of Photography [18:52] eviljames: Im the one that had that mouse wheel problem... I commented the PS2 thing out and uncommented the AUTO option.. put 6&7.. and now I can scroll!! thanx!!! [18:52] the only 3some here is with 2 females. [18:52] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] niXmiX3: Sweet! Was it a Synaptics touchpad? [18:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:53] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [18:53] wb Camarade_Tux [18:53] can anyone please tell me what the LSB mean in http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Samsung-CLP-500 ? [18:53] wait, I didn't Ctrl+Alt+BS ! [18:53] I Ctrl+Alt+Left ! [18:53] eviljames: Im not sure.. how do i find out? [18:53] missyjane: LSB is linux standard base [18:53] niXmiX3: Well, is it a touchpad? [18:53] double penetration = eating ice cream and watching someone else eating it too. [18:53] that's hot [18:54] yes [18:54] jeev.. 2g1c .. that's not ice cream [18:54] jeev: iced cream is always fun [18:54] but no chocolate [18:54] always vanilla =D [18:54] niXmiX3: Then odds are it is a synaptics one. It's good that it works though :D [18:54] ice cream RULES [18:54] i'd trade my nuts for it. [18:54] antiwire, ty [18:54] gawd - tupperwhore - LOL [18:54] eviljames: thanx bro [18:55] urbandictionary is great [18:55] wtf? tupperwhore? [18:55] niXmiX3: no worries. [18:55] do tell [18:55] heh never heard of tupperwhore [18:55] look up "airtight" on urbandictionary [18:55] i'm having watermelon.. so dont say it [18:55] hm [18:55] ahhh [18:55] stupid question but when i tried to make splix from that link, it says include/algo0x13.h:52: error: 'jbg_enc_state' does not name a type <--- what can i do? [18:55] rk4n3: i first heard that term in a clip with Lexi Bell [18:55] watermellen is awesome! [18:55] oh how i do love my Lexi Bell [18:55] mmmmm [18:55] i got watermelon on 2x2gb of ddr1 reg ecc ram, 3 days in a row. expensive old school ram [18:55] *mellon lol [18:56] heh [18:56] Necos, i eat watermelon like americans eat lies from fox news [18:57] Action: heret|c refuses to watch the news [18:57] i don't even get tv feed [18:57] antiwire, i succeeded in my charter thingy today. [18:57] hacking their gibson? [18:57] i hope the kill you connection [18:57] they* [18:57] never [18:58] i do it for fun, not even at home [18:58] heh [18:58] jeev: lol [18:58] ;) [18:58] i'm black and i can't even eat that much watermelon... [18:58] lol [18:58] ^_~ [18:58] lmao [18:58] my friend is black [18:58] Action: heret|c facepalms [18:58] and i eat more watermelon and fried chicken than him [18:58] LOL [18:59] well maybe not fried chicken [18:59] yeah, stereotypes fail [18:59] he's boougiouse rich [18:59] so.. [18:59] i am a white guy with blue eyes and i hate rednecks and the kkk [18:59] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:59] lol [18:59] and you love potato peeling [18:59] It is also not easy to install this driver in arbitrary distributions. [18:59] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:59] looks like im screwed on the printer then :( [18:59] fried chicken ... mmmmmmmm [18:59] yeah! good ol potato peelings [19:00] Necos: ive tried to figure out the watermelon/black stereotype and never could....russians and vodka, fins and fermented fish....and ok i see chicken and bbq, cheap food... [19:00] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] but watermellon i just never understood [19:00] Pig_Pen: I don't see why you have to be a white guy w/ blue eyes to hate the kkk [19:00] its a resource intensive egvie [19:00] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [19:00] veggie/fruit whatever [19:00] acidchild, how about americans and bullshit organics! [19:00] and hamburgers! [19:00] Pig_Pen: but I am a white guy w/ blue eyes who wouldn't tolerate such a thing :P [19:00] a white guy in the us south? [19:00] what's wrong with hamburgers ? [19:00] rk4n3, shredded pork cock. [19:00] right in the middle of all that crap [19:00] jeev: everyone loves a hamburger....except a jew maybe =D [19:01] hey guys, i used chown to give myself permissions to a folder, but when I mount the device into it i dont have permission [19:01] lol acidchild, jews only like land [19:01] i'm a white guy, live in the south, drive a pickup, and don't feel the need to tell people how i'm not racist. [19:01] because the device is owned by root? [19:01] lol heret|c [19:01] does your license plate tell us what you do ? [19:01] i have a pickup, but i consider it a toolbox on wheels [19:01] bird: you need to set the mask during mount [19:01] lol heret|c [19:01] Pig_Pen: Alberta (my home province) kinda wishes it was the US south. [19:02] Necos, do i chown /dev/sda1 ? [19:02] i wish we could outsource our retards to canada [19:02] Some may disagree with me, but it's certainly the most redneck part of Canada. [19:02] all these insecurities seeping their way into our normal conversation [19:02] bird: permissions are saved on the device's file system - you'll have to make sure those permissions are correct, as well [19:02] jeev: We wouldn't accept them, we're way too smart for that. [19:02] i know [19:02] :> [19:02] why would it hurt you so bad for someone else to think that you ~could~ be a racist [19:02] eviljames, can i cancel my health insurance and "live" with you ? [19:02] heret|c: white guilt [19:02] rk4n3, good answer [19:02] heret|c: I guess its painful, but I wouldn't know :) [19:02] jeev: You'll need to do a LOT of surgery before that's gonna happen :P [19:03] OK everyone shhhhhhh [19:03] i have a serious question [19:03] freebsd is pissing me off on this HP [19:03] should i move him back to the old server and install slack ? [19:03] rk4n3, I just bought a external hdd, haven't even formatted the file system yet [19:03] 1/0 [19:03] jeev, no i will not let you touch me there for a dollar [19:03] http://meeplemorph.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/1164067718140pu4.gif [19:03] jeev: 1 [19:03] heret|c, what crack are you smoking [19:03] Pig_Pen: 'tool box on wheels' best desc ever of a truck =D [19:03] one vote [19:03] jeev ass crack [19:03] my buddy in alaska actually warned me about places that i shouldn't go 'cause there's some mean rednecks out there [19:03] bastards [19:03] bird: OK, then you'll need to do that before you can mount it :) [19:03] i love my ranger, would never trade it for a fullsize [19:03] ranger? that's a freaking golf cart [19:04] do you have D.C. shows on the back window and wear a hat ? [19:04] yup and i like it [19:04] lol [19:04] Necos: not all rednecks are mean ... some are just "simple" :) [19:04] LOL [19:04] yes, i do wear DCs but i weat Husqy sunglasses =D [19:04] wear [19:04] pay no mind to rednecks [19:04] i just have a crappy little s-10 with a four cylinder [19:04] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [19:04] heyoo [19:04] goddamn rk4n3 LOL [19:05] Necos: I find it saddening that such places still exist. Which century are we in again? [19:05] that's fuckin great lol [19:05] the 17th [19:05] rk4n3: Hey, some of those simpletons are related to me. :P [19:05] you didn't get the memo... [19:05] i dunno if i'm gonna do it eviljames [19:05] if i decide, it'll be at night [19:05] Necos: I'm actually sort of a redneck - I prefer a simple life, act kinda dumb sometimes, etc ... but I'm not mean or dangerous :) [19:05] hey jeev rk4n3 Necos eviljames :) [19:05] Necos: Must have missed that one. That or it was stapled to a TPS report. [19:05] eviljames: and married to you too ? ;) [19:05] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("()"). [19:05] look, it's eviljames's keyboard. http://www.shoppalstores.com/ibmmodelm/image//ERGONOMIC2.jpg [19:06] jeev: This better not be a penis-shaped keyboard! [19:06] i wish [19:06] hahahah [19:06] hey compl3x how's it going ? [19:06] jeev: perfectly effecient [19:06] rk4n3: gooood thanks yourself? [19:06] eviljames, i dunno if i should wait, does USPS deliver small packages on saturdays > [19:06] eviljames: oh well, sucks to be you ^^ [19:06] if i get the ram, i can test the second DL360 G5 i have with freebsd to see if i get the same numbers [19:06] bah [19:07] JeIana_ (i=GeNCFB@41.236.13.100) joined ##slackware. [19:07] Action: compl3x fallls to sleep [19:07] rk4n3: it's not about being simple... my friend told me these guys just hate black folks, so if i go to that part of town, i probably won't make it back [19:07] rk4n3: Married to me..? I don't get it... Now I'M the simple one :P [19:08] Necos: ah, sure there's racism out there - but I'd definitely say redneck != racist ... [19:08] compl3x (n=eddie@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: Client Quit [19:08] those were his words, not mine lol [19:08] http://www.keygenmusic.net/?page=allteams =) [19:08] rk4n3: ++ very true. Not all rednecks are racist, nor are all racists rednecks. [19:08] eviljames: look, if your sister isn't good enough for you, she's not good enough for me either :) [19:08] LOL [19:08] HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [19:09] rk4n3: touche. [19:09] lol [19:09] lmao [19:09] that should be noobfarmed! [19:09] heh :) [19:09] <[OpenSys]> ppl lilo support device-mapper ? [19:09] I love getting burned so hard that the only thing I can do is laugh :P [19:10] <[OpenSys]> Fatal: device-mapper: dm_task_run(DM_DEVICE_TABLE) failed [19:10] Action: Camarade_Tux is completely lost into nostalgia with all the cracks/keygens music ^^ [19:10] [OpenSys]: lsmod | grep dm_mod [19:10] err [19:10] That might be old news [19:11] Camarade_Tux, onceuponawin.com [19:12] heret|c, haha, but I'm not old enough ;) [19:12] .... wat are you like 15 ? [19:12] Is slackware really the safest distro out there? [19:13] niXmiX3, the safest distro is the one you make safest [19:13] heret|c: ++ very true! [19:13] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:13] niXmiX3: Security isn't a feature, it's a procedure. [19:13] Or something along those lines. [19:13] Im going to slee [19:13] sleep [19:13] see ya soon slackers [19:13] later slackytude [19:13] slackytude: Good thing you corrected that.. I was worried you nodded off while typing! [19:14] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77B65.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "end of line" [19:14] bah, EOF him. [19:14] lol [19:14] and EOF this. I'm going home. [19:14] heret|c, like 21 ;) [19:14] lol [19:14] old enough for some of it. [19:14] bbl, if you're lucky. [19:14] baby! [19:14] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:14] i'm only 26 [19:15] heret|c: its all down hill from here [19:15] haha [19:15] baby! [19:15] i'm 28 1/2 >.<; [19:15] Necos: baby ! [19:15] I'm 41 :) [19:15] lol [19:15] rk4n3: Cool, that's only a few years younger than MY FATHER. [19:15] LOL [19:16] heret|c, 26 ? you're os ooooold ! =P [19:16] hehehe [19:16] so listen up then, sonny boy :) [19:16] I'd say 26 is the median age [19:16] pppth [19:16] Only on grounds that it's me. [19:16] anyhow. bl. [19:16] err [19:16] bBl that's right.. [19:16] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0264B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] Action: Necos stabs rk4n3 ^^ [19:17] haha [19:17] bird (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:17] reminds me of that one south park ep... YOU WILL RESPECT MY A-THAR-A-TAY! [19:18] heh [19:18] eviljames: what is sum good security software? [19:18] Necos: i read a post, think fark...but someone said 'when i hear rush limbaugh, all i can think is that is what Eric Cartman will be when he grows up' [19:18] and i think that is so true [19:18] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:18] gm152_ (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] niXmiX3, good security software is you [19:19] niXmiX3: that's a difficult question - you need to specify what security need you're trying to address [19:19] cause you're soft [19:19] lol acidkill [19:20] soft is what happens when you get in to your late 50s [19:20] isn't that more like "crusty" ? [19:20] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:20] nah, where'd ya think viagra came from? [19:20] haha [19:20] wtf is the deal with xorg? you would think it would read the info from lspci and set a decent xorg.conf setting [19:20] eviljames: firewall, antiviris [19:20] alienBOB (n=alien@h202078.upc-h.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:21] ... antivirus in linux? [19:21] Porno ography [19:21] niXmiX3: firewall -> iptables, antivirus -> why ? [19:21] heret|c : yes. those are used every day on linux machines that transport/store data for windows machines [19:21] i smell a troll or pebcak... can't tell which [19:21] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.106) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [19:21] heret|c, i just pebcak'd on my chair [19:22] lol [19:22] leave a stain ? [19:22] duh [19:22] pebkac, eh? [19:22] the only need for antivirus on linux would be a Linux mail server to clean email so windows customers would not get infected, other than something like that there would be no need to have antivirus on linux [19:22] privilege separation is a good thing... [19:23] k, I came back. My ride isn't leaving for another few minutes. [19:23] Pig_Pen: I would have expected niXmiX3 to answer my "why" question like that if he had that need ... but he didn't [19:23] spaceplo_: mind if I pm you? [19:23] apparently, he's never used linux =p [19:23] niXmiX3: I was saying above that security is not software. [19:23] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC0264B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:23] he probably did not know [19:24] windows users coming to linux FAQ question #3: where is the antivirus? [19:24] eviljames: ok.. i understand [19:24] eviljames : i don't think he claimed that security was software. he asked for 'security software' [19:24] Action: edman007 waves [19:25] creg (n=creg@bas6-montreal45-1176493364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [19:25] hey edman007 :) [19:25] Necos: excellent point [19:25] firewall/antivirus/antimalware/etc - all of those fall into that big deep category of 'security software' [19:25] ananke: Right, but it seems like he's looking for it from a different point of view than I was attempting to explain. [19:25] you could count all the viruses for linux on one hand and they all died years ago, windows on the other hand is a huge target mostly due to is insecure design and clueless users [19:25] ananke: Earlier,that is. [19:25] eviljames : very likely [19:25] rk4n3, hi :) [19:25] not again [19:25] ok [19:25] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:26] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:26] Pig_Pen: not to mention its proliferation [19:26] yeah, it is a bigger target too [19:26] i want one of those PIES th at people always throw at eachothers faces on tv [19:26] those special ones [19:26] not adult tv. [19:26] and not those special ones [19:26] Action: edman007 paints a big target on Pig_Pen's back [19:26] Pig_Pen: do u think that Macs are becoming a target more now? [19:26] niXmiX3: iptables for firewall. AppArmor will help in ensuring your system isn't tampered with. ClamAV will scan through your e-mail for virii (probably not needed). [19:27] jeev: that became more confusing the further you went ;) [19:27] niXmiX3: nmap to scan your system to make sure you don't have services enabled that you don't want, and to ensure that they are firewalled properly. [19:27] jeev, its just whipped cream in a pie pan thingy [19:27] niXmiX3: Metasploit to check for software that needs updating... [19:27] oh, wow. Some guy built a CPU using 7400-series logic chips and wire-wrap... this century [19:27] http://www.stevechamberlin.com/cpu/category/bmow1/ [19:27] oh [19:27] looks good [19:27] niXmiX3: Those are all examples of things you can use. Security, itself, is up to you :D [19:27] http://www.craphound.com/images/pacmancharthumor.jpg my favorite pie chart [19:27] niXmiX3 : and don't forget to stay up-to-date with your software. subscribe to slackware's security mailing list [19:28] Pig_Pen: hahah - cool :) [19:29] eddie_grey (n=eddie@187.6.32.166) joined ##slackware. [19:29] ok [19:29] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [19:29] hahahaha [19:29] eviljames : i remember long time ago i was helping our helpdesk crew in the interview process for an entry level technician. when she stated 'i enabled security on windows', i asked her to elaborate on that. 'well, i just enabled it' 'how? what aspects of security did you address?' 'it was a button on the task bar, i enabled it' [19:29] Pig_Pen: yeah, that's a fave of mine too. [19:30] eviljames: metasploit? i thought that was 4 hacking into sumones box [19:30] niXmiX3 : 'someone', 'some', not 'sum' :) [19:30] ananke: hahahaha nice. I had to do one of those tests when I was hurting for a job a couple of years ago. How do you do this & that, blah blah. I scored 105% by correcting the questions :P [19:31] i love that pie chart, that's awesome! [19:32] niXmiX3: No, metasploit is just as useful for testing your own system for vulnerabilities. [19:32] hahaha : http://www.chiptune.com/ [19:32] eviljames: ok.. ill learn how to use it [19:32] k, I gotta run this time for real. bbl. [19:32] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [19:33] eddie_grey (n=eddie@187.6.32.166) left ##slackware. [19:33] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:33] eviljames: does apparmor come with slack like iptables do? [19:34] nope [19:34] 3rd party application [19:35] is it at slackbuilds? [19:35] no idea [19:35] nope [19:35] is softpedia to be trusted? [19:36] godattach (n=user@unaffiliated/godattach) joined ##slackware. [19:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:40] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] i'd suspect so, since so many "trusted" windows apps are hosted [19:41] more ovaltine please [19:42] lol [19:42] JeIana_ (i=GeNCFB@41.236.13.100) left irc: No route to host [19:43] JJJunkk_ (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] JJJunkk_ (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:44] why is it that I can ls /lib/modules/2.6.27/kernel/misc/svgalib_helper.ko and modprobe can't see it? [19:45] Also can I get svgalib_helper loaded? If so how? [19:46] modprobe svgalib_helper? [19:46] Necos, it gives a FATAL error saying it can't find it. [19:47] I can ls it but modprobe can't find it :\ [19:47] modprobe svgalib? [19:50] jescis: run depmod -a [19:50] nevermind [19:51] http://www.azcentral.com/12news/news/articles/2009/05/29/20090529twitterrobbery052909-CR.html <--- fail [19:51] jescis: what slackeware version? [19:51] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@168-215-208-8.static.twtelecom.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [19:52] brb [19:52] that's why people with too much access to the web should be taken out and shot... [19:52] lol [19:52] Nick change: fred__ -> fred [19:54] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [19:54] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:55] jmoncayo (n=steven@190.152.31.67) left irc: "leaving" [19:56] exbio (n=exi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] topgun21 (n=topgun17@adsl-146-41-189.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] Necos: i had an idea for a twitter shitter day, every tweets when they poop [19:58] XGizzmo_, I got it working. But now it wants a mouse that I don't want to use(or need.) :\ [19:58] it will be the end of twitter [20:00] yup, i can believe it, thats why i never say what i am doing on the two-way radio either, other than smalltalk i dont give out any vitals [20:00] acidkill: you under estimate the intarwebz ;) [20:01] does anyone know any app to control a UPS? (Uninterruptible Power Supply) [20:01] besides genpower [20:01] does KDE/XFCE include any? [20:01] sahko : apcupsd, if it's apc ups [20:01] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/apcupsd/ [20:02] sahko : xfce/kde would most likely have frontends [20:03] godattach (n=user@unaffiliated/godattach) left irc: "actually, there is no spoon." [20:04] XGizzmo_, plus I'm using Slack 12.2 [20:04] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [20:05] OK thanks [20:05] 'ello firebird619 :) [20:05] Hi jescis [20:05] laters folks ^^ [20:05] later Nec [20:05] Necos [20:06] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:07] niXmiX3 (n=thybridd@71.16.214.27) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:10] logbsize=262144 [20:10] oops, darn touchpad [20:11] sQuEE (n=narya@host123.201-253-245.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [20:11] ananke, why no actual mouse? like a usb wireless? [20:12] jescis : i'm on a laptop [20:12] cylux (n=cylux@CPE00032f37fa0d-CM0014e825df0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:13] they have them for laptops [20:13] it wouldn't do me much good, while the laptop is on my lap [20:13] or I've seen people use one on a laptop >.> [20:14] oh that's a good reason :) [20:14] over the years i got used to the touchpads on laptops. i can't imagine using a mouse with those. even on a desk i'd find it weird [20:15] to each his own ;) [20:16] hey baby [20:16] err [20:16] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [20:16] stupid [20:16] jescis. [20:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] jeev, you be the stupid one ;p [20:17] nixlix3r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:18] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.145.95) joined ##slackware. [20:20] I have set key files on my workstation so that they can't be changed, even by root. That way, if my box gets compromised, the black hat will have to reboot it to trojan ssh. I'll notice that reboot. [20:20] i've read this statment , and im clueless how to do this [20:20] any help ? [20:21] DeeeeP : is that a homework? [20:21] nope, just reading some courses [20:21] and it says that [20:22] dont know a procedure that requires reboot to work [20:22] DeeeeP: "man chattr" might be what they're talking about [20:22] root can change any file even if the flags are set up if the black hat is smart enough to actually look at the flags that's all I m giving you :) [20:22] it's a bit deceptive (or ignorant) to say a reboot is required if that's what they're doing though [20:22] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:22] DeeeeP : reading what courses? [20:23] linuxchix courses [20:23] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] DeeeeP : got url? [20:23] yes , wait [20:24] http://www.linuxchix.org/content/courses/security/netstat [20:24] read "A false sense of security?" [20:24] its there [20:25] platypus571 (n=robert@12-227-137-121.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:26] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] without more information, we dunno what she's talking about really [20:26] one way is to do it with read-only media. cdrom/protected sd card/etc [20:27] Action: jeev slaps jescis [20:28] creg (n=creg@bas6-montreal45-1176493364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [20:31] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:31] velu (n=velusip@65.38.42.9) joined ##slackware. [20:31] !slap jeev [20:31] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@97.86.30.68) joined ##slackware. [20:34] night all [20:34] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:37] pff [20:37] what [20:37] nyteowl isnt supposed to sleep at night [20:38] heret|c (n=heretic@c-71-199-141-98.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:39] likevinyl (n=likeviny@190.245.121.39) joined ##slackware. [20:40] he's probably not sleeping. He's getting off IRC so he can go fight crime [20:40] how? [20:40] howling ? [20:40] He have any special powers? :P [20:40] you guys haven't seen "Watchmen"? [20:40] Owl's don't howl [20:41] he is going to swallow a large rat whole like owls do [20:41] haha [20:41] Urchlay: I haven't no. [20:41] no [20:41] i've seen a night watchman [20:41] i think [20:41] ahhh [20:41] it's called street kings, used to be called night watchman. [20:41] Action: jeev has been to forest whittaker's house a few times [20:41] that's why i called it night watchman, lol [20:42] frullet_ (n=hooch@124-168-187-163.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:44] firebird619: well there's a guy in Watchmen called "Nite Owl", sort of a Batman type character (no special powers, lots of gadgets) [20:44] Ah, ok. :) [20:44] pretty sure our NyteOwl isn't named after him though [20:45] nheco_ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [20:47] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:49] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left ##slackware. [20:52] i have a mce remote that acts as a keyboard. is there a way to remap buttons on a specific input device? [20:53] supergear_ (i=1000@71-212-186-234.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] beatzz (n=beatzz@65.61.57.135) joined ##slackware. [20:55] sup all! [20:55] frullet (n=hooch@124-171-59-81.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:55] been in jail fer 2 weeks [20:55] :x [20:55] no thanks, already ate [20:56] anyone know why I am not connecting to WEP wifi networks? [20:57] i can connect to unsecured, but i have tryed 2 WEP passphrase networks with no luck [20:57] beatzz: ummmmm, you don't have the right passphrase would be my guess [20:57] no signal, due to thick concrete jail walls? [20:57] i set the network up [20:57] passphrase is correct [20:57] (or did you mean you were in jail, but now you're not?) [20:57] it's obviously a passphrase issue, correct it [20:57] exactly [20:57] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:57] just got out today [20:58] tryin to get back into my slack groove [20:58] Action: danc3 pukes a little [20:59] beatzz: if it works in unsecured mode, and it doesn't work in passphrase mode, what do you think could be the problem...? Look at it that way. [20:59] The answer is obvious [20:59] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-189-34.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [20:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] danc3, i set the passphrase.... [20:59] beatzz: on both ends? [20:59] yes [20:59] typo? [21:00] negitive, i have it displaying the passphrase [21:00] you'll have to re-do it to be sure [21:00] its correct for shure [21:00] that is 100% not the problem [21:00] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.80.163) joined ##slackware. [21:00] i havent tryed WPA yet [21:00] beatzz: ive been having the same prob, wep and wpa....what card are you using? [21:00] well then it would be working. So that's 100% the problem. [21:00] b43 broadcom [21:00] it worked on Kubuntu [21:01] lol [21:01] for wep [21:01] beatzz: using b43 driver or wl.ko? [21:01] wpa, wpa2 [21:01] b43 [21:01] this same laptop on kubuntu worked for WEP/WPA/WPA2 [21:01] with the same driver [21:01] only diference is wicd on slack and i used kwifimanager on kubuntu [21:01] mk, ive been using wl, can connect to unsecured, not wpa, havent tried wep, even with kubuntu [21:02] supergear_ (i=1000@71-212-186-234.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:03] platypus571, b43 driver in use [21:03] beatzz: have you configured /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf ? [21:03] dont think so [21:03] let me check the file out in a terminal [21:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] danc3, what am i lookin for in the file? [21:04] the passphrase, for one thing... [21:05] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.97.193) joined ##slackware. [21:05] you probably need to use/configure wpa_supplicant as well [21:05] time to hit google... [21:06] mmk, I will google wpa_supplicant [21:06] that sounds familure from kubuntu [21:06] /win 34 [21:06] oops [21:09] i dont get it [21:09] beatzz (n=beatzz@65.61.57.135) left irc: "peace" [21:09] is slamd64 sanctioned or ok with the slackware people/ [21:10] its OK, but not official - slackware64 is the recent official port [21:10] i know but [21:10] what was the other guy in here [21:10] who did the same thing ? [21:10] bluewhite linux or some shit lol [21:11] I think slamd64 probably contributed alot toward getting slackware64 going [21:11] ... in cooperation with slackware contributors, that is [21:11] jeev: /whois arny [21:11] YES [21:11] thumbs [21:11] you were pmsing pretty bad [21:11] I hate the guy. [21:11] at that guy lol [21:12] he deserved every bit. [21:12] he jacked slack eh? [21:12] yes. Completely. [21:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:12] he screwed Fred. [21:12] what benefit does he get? [21:12] you think he has a following ? [21:12] i found something on whois , that i can know idle time of any user [21:12] dunno if it is a bug [21:12] deep, welcome to a long time ago! [21:12] DeeeeP [21:13] it is known ? [21:13] lol deeep [21:13] DeeeeP [21:13] it's a feature and has been for years++ [21:13] jeev: I don't care if he has a following or not. [21:13] jeev, how u do it ? [21:13] jeev: like I said, I wouldn't mind if he got hit by a bus. [21:13] in ircn, windows, i do /wii, i dunno what it's aliased to but i think /whois nick nick [21:14] thumbs, we could attach that request to the next bill in congress [21:14] save the children + run over arny [21:14] jeev: your country has silly methods of applying the law. [21:14] thumbs, TELL ME ABOUT IT [21:14] cause we haev silly people, allowing silly politicians [21:16] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:17] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.80.163) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:18] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [21:19] thumbs, i never really figured it out, i just enabled keepalive and stuff [21:19] more running processes. [21:19] jeev: umm [21:19] jeev: I fell in an out during that time. [21:20] :< [21:20] either way, i dunno what's going on on the system [21:21] some minor packet loss during peak + net-snmp / bsnmpd [21:21] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.102) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] giving me wrong numbers [21:21] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:21] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-231-117.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:22] Nick change: pizdets -> pizzledizzle [21:23] bender647 (n=bender@c-98-229-172-242.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-71-254-118-138.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] i have 2 keyboards attached to my pc, i want to remap keys on one. how do i do that [21:25] paradello (n=PiAnO@201-69-33-197.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:27] paradello (n=PiAnO@201-69-33-197.dial-up.telesp.net.br) left irc: "The 7 Deadly Sins: fits for all, fits for u!   [www.t7ds.com.br]" [21:27] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [21:29] paradello (n=PiAnO@201-69-33-197.dial-up.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:31] is there a way to launch the slackware installer "offline" without using virtualization? i wanted to create an image on a USB stick to boot from (tried slax but it did not work at all) [21:32] i have one machine and would greatly prefer to simply populate a USB stick with what / would get with a full (generic) install of 12.2 [21:32] rather than reinstall just to "extract" this [21:36] does slack have a qt4 package or are we still on 3 [21:38] kamaji: slackware -current is qt4, regular 12.2 is 3. [21:38] superGear (i=1000@71-212-186-234.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] sh: ls/var/log/packages/qt*: No such file or directory [21:38] /var/log/packages/qt-3.3.8b-i486-2 [21:38] crudo (n=0xdead@189.81.215.105) joined ##slackware. [21:38] danc3: ok, I will use sbopkg then. [21:39] /home/slackware-current/slackware/l/qt-r964497-i486-1.txt [21:39] /home/slackware-current/slackware/l/qt-r964497-i486-1.txz [21:39] /home/slackware-current/slackware/l/qt-r964497-i486-1.txz.asc [21:39] should've asked for only qt*.txz [21:39] pizzledizzle: are u running kde? [21:39] fluxbox [21:39] crudo (n=0xdead@189.81.215.105) left ##slackware. [21:40] superGear (i=supergea@71-212-186-234.hlrn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] i have no idea about that. but in slack theres a Control Center > Regional & Accesibility > Keyboard layout [21:41] i have Dvorak so im well versed in switching key maps [21:42] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:42] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:44] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.29.223) joined ##slackware. [21:44] Nick change: spaceplo_ -> SpacePlod [21:45] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@97-86-234-223.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:45] kamaji, you could've found the answer using www.slackware.org/getslack or www.distrowatch.com [21:46] Nick change: nheco_ -> nheco [21:46] perhaps he could have, but what's the point of pointing that out now...? [21:47] TwinReverb: you can find the answer to your question using www.google.com [21:47] sopas (n=souphead@112.198.128.222) joined ##slackware. [21:50] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] ping alienBOB [21:52] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:53] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:54] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "leaving" [21:54] Part` (i=part@archlinux/trusteduser/Part) joined ##slackware. [21:54] hello. [21:56] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:56] greetings and salutations [21:57] greetings andarius, how are you? [21:57] salutations firebird619. I am well, you ? [21:58] doing good, thanks. [21:58] danc3, i don't see the answer on google.com [21:59] hi andarius:) TGIF! [21:59] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.97.193) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:59] hi hitest [21:59] hi friebird619:) [22:00] mmmm fried birds. [22:00] firebird619 [22:00] danc3, the point of pointing that out now is that now he knows how to find the answer himself so he doesn't have to wait for one of us to respond. [22:00] lol [22:00] Hey thumbs [22:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] salutations hitest [22:02] :) [22:02] how are oyu? [22:02] you [22:02] well, you ? [22:02] well, thank you:) [22:06] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:07] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-168-197.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [22:09] TwinReverb: yes, and now you know how to find the answer yourself too, by using google. If you say you didn't find it, you haven't looked hard enough. The same advice goes for you as for what you advise others. [22:11] danc3, there is no answer on google, so i asked in here. the concept is to check available resources first, and ask if those fail you. [22:11] besides, i have his best interests in mind. with those two websites, he can find the answer faster than he could in here. [22:11] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [22:11] lol, yeah OK [22:12] TwinReverb: really? I told him the answer seconds after he asked the question. [22:12] but what if you and i are not in the channel when he asks next time? no one may be around to answer his question. [22:13] ahhh, so you're the man "teaching him how to fish", right? [22:13] and yet you can't google up something for yourself? [22:13] that makes a lot of sense [22:14] ok, when you find out how to run the slackware installer without being able to chroot to the CD or use virtualization, let me know, because right now you are assuming that the answer is on Google, and it may not be. i checked Google first and did not find it. [22:15] replay (n=replay@69.26.205.171) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:16] (hence I asked) [22:16] well, I'm not going to find that out, because I have no interest in it, and am not going to waste my time. [22:17] but anyway, why not make the "bootable stick" option during a regular install? [22:17] s/make/use [22:18] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:19] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] that has nothing to do with what i am trying to do, but thanks for the advice. i'm trying to launch the installer from within a running slackware OS so that i can start populating a clean install image [22:19] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:19] (without virtualization) [22:20] that sounds over complicated to me, chroot installs are easy [22:21] i think the problem slax has with this is that their boot-stamp or whatever script doesn't take USB stick size into account [22:22] i'm going to have to isolate that later [22:22] (two different problems) [22:22] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [22:23] andarius, well usually chroot and installpkg -root /mnt *.tgz etc, i know, but i need my computer right now, so i may have to go that route later, just wondering if there was a way to isolate and use the setup program without being in a virtual OS or booted off the CD [22:25] booted from USB, booted from a network share [22:26] there's probably not a way to do this yet so i figured maybe, just maybe, someone had done it, but oh well, like i said i'll isolate it later [22:29] true [22:30] i see that the mandriva "make a bootable install USB stick" instructions that i used to get my friend's asus eee pc up and running take into account the size of the USB stick whereas the slax script does not [22:33] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] are you actually wanting to have a complete bootable slackware install on a usb .. or just a USB `bootstick' with all the installable packages on there? [22:34] i see ninja penguins have to wear less black... [22:34] bad guys wear black. [22:35] I'm tagged and can't turn back. [22:37] mandea (n=tex@mossad.broker.freenet6.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [22:37] hi is there a program that logs every action i have so tha ti know what will be undo if i press ctrl+z? [22:38] Action: BP{k} heads for the box of wine. [22:38] BP{k}: classy. [22:38] missyjane: heh, not likely. [22:38] Action: andarius has beer :o [22:38] eviljames: hehe, kethry saw wine was on sale, 5L box for el cheap :) not to bad wine also ;) [22:38] aw [22:38] Action: eviljames just got back from the bar (patio + beer + sunlight + gf = WIN!) [22:39] BP{k}: i can appreciate that.. I'm just sippin a rye & ginger atm. [22:39] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.30.102) joined ##slackware. [22:40] bender647 (n=bender@c-98-229-172-242.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:41] eviljames: going for beer #2 right now:) [22:41] hitest: nice work. it's the weekend, why not? [22:42] yes indeed [22:42] hitest: I know the whole weekend's gonna be nice, heading to the track for beers & horse racing tomorrow. [22:42] the sport of kings! [22:42] cool [22:45] mandea (n=tex@mossad.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:45] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [22:45] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "I'm outta here! Later!" [22:45] 20 years ago before we had kids my wife and I would go to Reno...we really enjoyed it a lot [22:46] heh, gf and I hit vegas last year.. never made it to a track there. You'd hit the casinos in Reno? [22:46] or were you going for the ponies? [22:46] yep, the casinos, slots and keno mostly [22:47] watered down drinks and gamble all day........awesome [22:47] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] loved it [22:48] haha, that's what vegas was like for us. One day we must have hit 6 casinos, won once early in the day and broke even the rest, so it wasn't hard on the pocketbook. [22:48] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:48] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [22:48] eviljames WHY do you pretend to have a girlfriend [22:49] and didn't pay for any beer. [22:49] yeah, my last trip I came away with more money than I brought down......wonderful [22:49] jeev: shhhh, nobody needs to know about our love that dare not speak its name.. [22:49] _ohm (n=mark@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:49] stupid lakers are up by 18 [22:49] wrong guy dood im not gay with you [22:49] what's a laker, cutie? [22:49] BP{k}, i'm wanting to make a clean install ISO, basically a snapshot of what a properly, default installed slackware 12.2 (with patches) looks like that has never been booted into [22:50] basdketball [22:50] basketball [22:50] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:50] nheco_ (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) joined ##slackware. [22:50] hitest: free beer is a scary predicament, it leads to abuse. :D [22:50] mainly for clean builds, maybe later for use as a beginning to a bootable live Slackware 12.2 [22:51] also possibly as a "wipe / clean" ISO [22:51] Action: chopp kicks neonflux in the connection [22:51] eviljames: agreed. I was blasted early on most days down there:) [22:51] alas i may have to wait though [22:51] hitest: hahahah.. beer for breakfast, beer for lunch... what's for dinner? [22:51] Beer! [22:51] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.254.250.70) joined ##slackware. [22:51] too busy today unfortunately to really get time to pursue this [22:52] eviljames: lots of vodka martinis too if memory serves [22:52] good times [22:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:54] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [22:56] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] Action: danc3 pops another Champagne of Beers [22:59] nheco (n=nheco@unaffiliated/nheco) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:00] dyn0myt3 (n=dyn0myt3@adsl-75-41-205-217.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:01] abing (n=abing@218.94.136.171) joined ##slackware. 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[23:34] hiptobecubic (n=john@cpe-075-178-020-245.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:35] I use xchat atm...like it a lot [23:35] i'll probably use irssi forever :/ [23:35] never get into the whole gui irc client thing.. [23:35] yeah, that isn't bad, but I like pidgin, just not the fonts atm. [23:35] They were fine earlier today. [23:37] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-248-134.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] I changed my user name and now fonts are messed up as is FF. What changed? All the contents of /home are the same, just under a different name. [23:40] Could someone help me fix this? [23:43] slKIvs (n=ivan@197.102.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [23:47] how did you change your user name? [23:49] with usermod [23:49] hmm, that shouldnt mess with ur fonts.. [23:49] usermod -l new_name old_name [23:49] ya thats how it should be done [23:49] I didn't think so either, but something sure did. :P [23:49] souphead (n=souphead@120.28.168.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:49] alright, lemme see if i can replicate it [23:50] k, thanks for helping. [23:50] np [23:50] nothin better to do lol, im waiting on my new motherboard to get in, wont be in till tuesday so im on an old ass 500mhz celeron with like 200 megs of ram :P [23:51] Ah, something to look forward to then. :) [23:51] lol ya [23:51] firebird619: did you chown the your /home/$USER ? [23:52] BP{k}: whoops [23:52] :( [23:52] well im selling my 4850x2 video card and getting a gtx275 just for the linux drivers but i had a M4A79 Deluxe which is a crossfire board so i sold that too and bought the tri-sli equivalent board [23:52] BP{k}: chown -R fbird:users /home/fbird? [23:52] all your files are belong to old_name :o [23:53] lol thats true, i completely overlooked that haha [23:53] andarius: that would explain my issues then. Thanks guys. [23:53] firebird619: if fbird is your new username. [23:53] Why is it that issues like this always come down to something wrong I did. :P [23:53] also usermod -l only changes the login name. *not* the /home/$USER, nor permissions. [23:54] BP{k}: I changed /home$USER to the new one, just forgot permissions [23:54] firebird619: b/c it's linux [23:54] :) [23:54] lee555J5: haha, yup. :) [23:54] firebird619: slackware, at that [23:54] lee555J5: yeah, I was just about to say that myself. :) [23:55] firebird619: I learn by fscking things up, it seems:) [23:55] firebird619: also note that some config files for whatever your WM/DE is .. might contain references to your old name. [23:55] BP{k}: yeah, I use flux, already fixed those. [23:56] hitest: yeah, so do I. I think we all do now and then. [23:56] agreed [23:56] hitest: that's the way I learned. I knew Solaris before DOS/Win31. Dig holes, dig yourself out. :) [23:56] I could have messed it up worse. :P [23:57] lee555J5: just be sure not to fall into the hole. :P [23:58] alright, that's done now. brb. [23:58] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Leaving." [23:59] avenger (n=avenger@189.100.127.77) joined ##slackware. [23:59] I editted a conf file that controls how many virtual terminals there are and made the number annoyingly small. but now I cant remember what file it was, anyone know? [00:00] --- Sat May 30 2009