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[00:01] <rworkman> Whatchu talkin' bout, Willis?
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[00:07] <alienjeff> zome
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[00:07] <alienjeff> o/ evil
[00:07] <evil> Can I ask a question?
[00:07] <evil> o/ alienjeff
[00:07] <alienjeff> You just did. Now STFU.
[00:08] <evil> ... can i ask another question?
[00:08] <alienjeff> Yes.
[00:08] <evil> Did you know boys have a penis, and girls have a vagina?
[00:08] <alienjeff> pfft ... what a lame channel. ONly 304 users.
[00:08] <evil> its an overflow
[00:08] <alienjeff> ah...that 'splains it.
[00:08] <WireWulf> evil most linux project channels are overflows
[00:09] <alienjeff> Is this the overflow for ##windows?
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[00:09] <alienjeff> o/ |Slacker|
[00:09] <WireWulf> nah ##mac and ##appple are the ##windows overflow
[00:09] <evil> Is this where I come for Windows assistance? My windows machine is saying something about a missing "HIMEM.SYS" and wont boot up
[00:09] <|Slacker|> alienjeff, \o
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[00:10] <evil> lol
[00:10] <alienjeff> evil: try: format c:/
[00:10] <evil> will do.. gimme a second
[00:10] <alienjeff> O/ Oak
[00:10] <powtrix> do type 1>HIMEM.SYS
[00:10] <Oak> hey alienjeff
[00:10] <evil> "Now formatting C:\..." how long will this take?
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[00:11] <panzer> ok I walked in at the wrong time.
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[00:12] <XGizzmo> rw++
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[00:15] <rworkman> Anyone actually know alienjeff?
[00:15] Nick change: oobe -> geekinyamum
[00:15] Nick change: geekinyamum -> oobe
[00:16] <WireWulf> hi oobe
[00:16] <oobe> hi
[00:16] <oobe> long time
[00:16] <oobe> how you been
[00:16] <WireWulf> iight
[00:16] <oobe> ok
[00:16] <WireWulf> debaiting on a switch to slack
[00:16] <WireWulf> hows you oobe
[00:16] <oobe> im good
[00:16] <oobe> its my bday today
[00:17] <Oak> I don't know him
[00:17] <WireWulf> happy bday oobe
[00:17] <oobe> ty
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[00:17] <oobe> so what did you wanna use slackware for
[00:17] <WireWulf> just to have some idea what the community is like
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[00:18] <oobe> oh ok
[00:18] <oobe> its much smaller
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[00:18] <Delahunt> you could've just went to a pub, sort of like what our community is like :D :P
[00:18] <hitest> heh
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[00:18] <oobe> i still use help from any distro specific forum i find in google
[00:18] <WireWulf> Delahunti live in a dry county
[00:19] <hitest> bummer
[00:19] <oobe> linuxquestions.org is a great forum for slackware users
[00:19] <Delahunt> in a dry county that would be like what 2600 is like
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[00:20] <WireWulf> besides i offton fall back on the irc channel if i have a issue in a linux distro
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[00:27] <Motoko-chan> The Slackware community also doesn't suffer fools gladly.
[00:27] <Motoko-chan> You are expected to have a brain.
[00:28] <WireWulf> may not have a brain but i am okay with my computer
[00:30] <Motoko-chan> You might be okay.
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[00:36] <WireWulf> o yeah excuse the windows use i have yet to find a full linux operating system that has a savefile :P
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[00:38] <mancha> what dimension am i in?
[00:39] <WireWulf> 3rd maybe the 4th
[00:39] <Ramraid> how big is /usr on a full (recommended) install mines 5G and its full
[00:39] <mancha> that sounds about right...
[00:40] <mancha> i would have guessed in the 4.5-5.5 gigger range
[00:40] <Ramraid> Do i need to make it bigger?
[00:41] <mancha> only if you plan to add things to it
[00:41] <Ramraid> i use /home but does some of that add to /usr
[00:41] <mancha> hrmm, you need to read a beginner's book
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[00:42] <mancha> maybe the "slackbook" mentioned in the topic
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[00:42] <MLanden> heya,folks
[00:42] <Ramraid> thanks Mancha
[00:44] <mancha> Ramraid, you're welcome. this is really your best bet. I could just tell you that yes, you should probably look at at least 15G for a nice system where you can add a lot of stuff but you really need to go read the basics...
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[00:46] <cryptic0> Is 1280x800 on a 13.1" screen the same as 1440x900 on a 15.4" screen?
[00:46] <mancha> no
[00:47] <mancha> the aspect ratio is the same but that's about all that's the same...
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[00:47] <Motoko-chan> savefile?
[00:48] <cryptic0> I am considering a macbook for work, and thats' the highest resolution they offer I think.
[00:48] <mancha> you're considering the 13.1?
[00:51] <dchmelik> for the single-CD ISOs, is disc 3 still only internationalization?
[00:51] <BP{k}> dchmelik: that hasn't been the case for a long time.
[00:51] <dchmelik> hmm, ok
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[00:52] <BP{k}> http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php
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[00:53] <mancha> BP{k}, you're a big enchilada in the SBo country club, so i have a comment for you to share o'er there
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[00:53] <Oak> oh, I did not know Slackware 13.1 was released
[00:53] <mancha> I've helped several people with skype issues, it seems they use the builds on SBo and in some configurations it borks for them because the script strips symbols, skype ain't pleased.
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[00:54] <mancha> maybe you can pass that along to the person who handles that so they can fix it. so far i helped about 4-5 people on here with this same issue.
[00:55] <BP{k}> mancha: cheers. will have a look :)
[00:55] <mancha> excellent.
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[00:56] <agentc0re> BP{k} is just a big enchilada all around, and everyone just wants to eat him up! :P
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[00:57] <BP{k}> agentc0re: easy on the happy pills pal. ;)
[00:57] <cryptic0> mancha: yes. 13.1
[00:57] <agentc0re> BP{k}: heh..  it's ironic you say that, i just took some.  heh.
[00:58] <mancha> cryptic, i guess it all is a matter of readability vs. portability. i prefer larger screens but i understand why people like smaller...
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[01:00] <Motoko-chan> [21:54:52] <agentc0re> BP{k} is just a big enchilada all around,  <-- That's why he needs to lay off the Mexican food.
[01:00] <agentc0re> Motoko-chan: Or, lay on the Mexican food...
[01:01] <Oak> KTorrent says "Error: invalid bencoding of tracker response:"  Deluge says: "transamrit.net: Error: invalid bencoding of tracker response: """ when trying to download Slackware 13.1
[01:02] <mancha> what's that mean, tracker not replying? or you not getting it?
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[01:04] <mancha> you're prolly blocking the tracker ports, my humble guess.
[01:04] <mancha> cause it's tough to fuck up a be-encoding  :)
[01:04] <Oak> I should dc and reconnect ... ports are open
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[01:07] <BP{k}> mancha: what kind of problems did these people run into, can you recall by any chance?
[01:08] <mancha> yes, the executable segfaults on startup
[01:08] <BP{k}> (I have just ran the slackbuild and installed it and seems to work so far without problems (can't test calls atm), but it starts up fine without a problem.
[01:08] <Oak> I am getting "transamrit.net: Error: Connection timed out" on Deluge. Other torrents are working fine...
[01:08] <mancha> which version of skype and which slack are you on?
[01:08] <BP{k}> I Also have compared the 13.0 versus the 13.1 slackbuild and they are identical.
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[01:09] <jkwood> I know exactly what's going on.
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[01:09] <BP{k}> mancha: 13.1 64bits + multilib. skype 2.0.0.72
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[01:09] <jkwood> Try running it without the strip lines.
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[01:09] <jkwood> Newer versions of skype will always segfault if the executable is stripped.
[01:09] <mancha> BPk, like i said, i don't kno what configuration they had that caused the problem, but I am telling you what i had them do to fix it
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[01:10] <BP{k}> jkwood: it works fine with the version of skype and the slackbuild as it is on SBo for me.
[01:10] <antiwire> I found that skype issue. rworkman saw it when I found it
[01:10] <antiwire> bishes!
[01:10] <mancha> BP{k} so my humble recommendation is you pass that along to the maintainer, it's not like it saves a whole bunch of space anywho
[01:10] <jkwood> BP{k}: That's what I said.  Newer versions of skype.
[01:10] <jkwood> antiwire: Nice independent research.
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[01:11] <BP{k}> jkwood: heh.
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[01:11] <mancha> i found the skype issue first, i can scan my notebook page where i jotted it down
[01:11] <antiwire> SCREW YOU MANCHA
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[01:28] <Oak> I am getting this error in Deluge 1.2.0 <transamrit.net: Error: invalid bencoding of tracker response: "">  trying to download Slackware 13.1. Another torrent from piratebay.org is working fine...   any idea why?
[01:28] <mancha> seems like transamrit.net is down? dunno...
[01:29] <Oak> ok
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[02:00] <pi31415> my 13.1 installation is not going smoothly, but i am in no hurry
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[02:02] <twoshot_> I upgraded to 13.1 (I hadn't tried this for a while in 13.0, maybe it's not the upgrade) and now when I click on a jpeg in thunar thunar crashes with a segfault
[02:02] <twoshot_> gifs work fine.
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[02:03] <Alan_Hicks> twoshot_: Can you confirm this with a clean user?
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[02:04] <pi31415> i restored my encrypted disk image.  cryptsetup seems to succeed, but i can no longer mount it.
[02:05] <twoshot_> What do you mean by clean user?
[02:05] <Delahunt> pi31415, mount it where? in Xfce?
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[02:06] <njathan> guys i cant seem to change the PS1 variable even after doing this -> http://pastebin.com/Csi87c12
[02:06] <njathan> any ideas?
[02:07] <Alan_Hicks> twoshot_: Add a new user account, log into this user, and see if thunar crashes when attempting to view JPEGs.
[02:07] <pi31415> Delahunt: at the Linux console
[02:07] <twoshot_> ok
[02:07] <twoshot_> Btw, I did su - and then run thunar and it did the same thing
[02:08] <Alan_Hicks> twoshot_: Doesn't matter. Try with a clean user.
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[02:08] <twoshot_> k
[02:10] <twoshot_> Be back in a second
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[02:15] <twoshot_> Alan_Hicks, same problem with a new user
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[02:16] <Alan_Hicks> huh... no idea what could be screwed up.
[02:16] <twoshot_> :/
[02:16] <Alan_Hicks> Sure Thunar isn't calling a program that wasn't upgraded to process the JPEGs?
[02:16] <twoshot_> perhaps it could be
[02:16] <twoshot_> I might look at the source
[02:16] <twoshot_> Although it's only a single click that segfaults it, not a double.
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[02:17] <mancha> so then it's thunar somehow...maybe problems with libjpeg
[02:18] <mancha> ?
[02:18] <mancha> ldd /usr/bin/thunar | grep jpeg
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[02:19] <twoshot_> libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib64/libjpeg.so.62 (0x00007ffdb533e000)
[02:20] <mancha> that looks fine...
[02:20] <twoshot_> brb. switching back to my user
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[02:21] <Alan_Hicks> twoshot_: Welcome back.
[02:22] <Alan_Hicks> twoshot_: ldd /usr/bin/thunar | grep jpeg
[02:22] <twoshot_> thanks
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[02:22] <pupit> mancha, BP{k} i,ve used the slacky skype build: http://pastebin.com/Nr0HzB6C and yes, the error is segmentation fault.
[02:22] <twoshot_> libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib64/libjpeg.so.62 (0x00007fabfe547000)
[02:22] <twoshot_> same thing
[02:23] <pupit> mancha, BP{k} i meant the slacky build did it right, SBo was faulty
[02:23] <Alan_Hicks> There's your problem.
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[02:23] <Alan_Hicks> libjpeg.so.8 => /usr/lib64/../lib64/libjpeg.so.8 (0x00007fdef957b000)
[02:23] <Alan_Hicks> That's from a clean install of 13.1
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[02:24] <twoshot_> hm
[02:24] <twoshot_> how do I fix this?
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[02:24] <mancha> so so there's some funkiness in the u/g, make sure you've upgraded all the stuff
[02:24] <mancha> i.e. both libjpeg and xfce
[02:25] <twoshot_> what versions should they be at
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[02:25] <mancha> that's left as homework for you, due Monday morning.
[02:25] <Alan_Hicks> twoshot_: You can check the ChangeLog for that.
[02:25] <twoshot_> k
[02:26] <mancha> pupit, thanks for the confirmation, maybe I will write this up as the first discoverer of the problem   :)
[02:27] <pupit> mancha: as long as people in ##slackware try to improve and fix things :)
[02:28] <pupit> mancha: btw, bitlord suggested it to me ;)
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[02:29] <twoshot_> They seem to be the most recent versions.
[02:30] <twoshot_> Although my system was multilib so I may have screwed something up.
[02:30] <garme> heya guys
[02:30] <Delahunt> yeah that might be a part of it
[02:30] <Delahunt> do a clean install
[02:30] <mancha> they can't be since alan has a newer one
[02:30] <twoshot_> I don't want to have to set everything back up again :/
[02:31] <mancha> so either alan is a creature from the future (possible) or you have an older version
[02:31] <garme> I have installed slackware 13.1... but i'm trying to do a minimal install... so I installed just what I thought needed.
[02:31] <garme> I have installed xfce... but using startxfce4, the X starts, xfce starts... but freezes.
[02:32] <garme> I cann't move mouse or do something with keyboard.
[02:32] <mancha> hrmm, that's two xfce problems side by side
[02:32] <garme> So I have to restart the machine... because keyboard is frozen.
[02:32] <garme> :/
[02:33] <MLanden> garme, what's your video card/chip?
[02:33] <garme> Well... I'm using vmware.
[02:34] <garme> Trying start X, just using "X", it freezes too.
[02:34] <garme> Or... I have to chmod -x rc.hal
[02:35] <garme> Ops...
[02:35] <garme> I activated hal again... and works.
[02:35] <garme> :D
[02:36] <twoshot_> I just reinstalled libjpeg, and the ldd command gives the same output.
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[02:39] <mancha> are you sure your xfce is from 13.1?
[02:39] <MLanden> garme, recent versions of VMware? (7.1 for the workstation a/o 3.1 for the player)
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[02:40] <twoshot_> I ran upgradepkg with all the packages from the 13.1 tree in the dirs that I wanted.
[02:40] <mancha> twoshot, keep in mind that while the version might be the same, the 13.1 xfce would have been compiled against 13.1's libs (such as libjpeg)
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[02:41] <mancha> ok, look this isn't rocket science. you need xfce from 13.1. make it happen.
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[02:42] <twoshot_> ok I'll do that.
[02:42] <twoshot_> I think I'm going to get some rest for now though. I'm not sure what time I have to be up.
[02:43] <twoshot_> thanks for the help guys
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[02:48] <garme> Mlanden v1.1.2 for mac.
[02:48] <garme> VMWare fusion.
[02:49] <MLanden> garme, ok..just saw from freshmeat that those versions that I stated were released for linux yesterday
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[03:25] <Azeotrope> Can someone please help me setting up my network config? I have a static IP address and 2 NICS, from which I use just one. The problem is, slack gives me 2 interfaces, eth1 with a strange mac bfbfbf... and eth1_rename (with my good MAC).
[03:26] <Azeotrope> I tried netconfig (both DHCP and static), i tried editing /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf but still having internet access is arbitrary
[03:26] <Azeotrope> I have to dhclient, dhcpcd etc
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[03:29] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: you have to ethernet nics?
[03:29] <rworkman> Azeotrope: pastebin the contents of /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[03:29] <Nigromante> 2
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[03:30] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Would it be helpful if you disable one of the ethernet interfaces?
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[03:30] <Axius> When I run perlintro I get this msg:zsh: command not found: perlintro What could be the problem? What should I install?
[03:30] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: and, which method / daemon do you use to bring network up?
[03:31] <Nigromante> Axius: try perldoc perlintro
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[03:31] <Azeotrope> rworkman: ok
[03:31] <mancha> speaking of udev, anyone know which is the first xorg to move to it exclusively?
[03:31] <rworkman> mancha: 1.8.x
[03:32] <mancha> aha, thanks rwork!
[03:32] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: what if I'll need to connect something on it... i'll still have a problem
[03:32] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: and, which method / daemon do you use to bring network up?
[03:32] <Nigromante> wicd?
[03:32] <Nigromante> rc.inet1 ?
[03:33] <Azeotrope> rc.inet1
[03:33] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: Be warned though, that dhcpcd has a bug.
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[03:33] <mancha> was that part of the calculus for 13.1's xorg version?
[03:33] <Azeotrope> rworkman: i was suggested last night to delete that file, so i don't have it anymore. maybe a restart will recreate it?
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[03:34] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: It troubled me a lot and could not get connected during system start.
[03:34] <Azeotrope> Mel-nix: and how did you fixed it?
[03:35] <Nigromante> mmm I guess rworkman was right when thinking of udev creating an incorrect interface
[03:35] <rworkman> Azeotrope: yes, it will.
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[03:35] <rworkman> Azeotrope: have you not rebooted since then?
[03:36] <Azeotrope> rworkman: no.
[03:36] <rworkman> You should, and then if the interfaces are not in the desired order (i.e. what you want to be eth0 is eth1), then edit that file to correct it, reboot again, and all should be well.
[03:36] <Azeotrope> because i'm affraid of not having it working.
[03:37] <Nigromante> is it feasible to restart udev?
[03:37] <Nigromante> only?
[03:37] <Azeotrope> rworkman: ok. and what about the internet connection. how do i make the settings?
[03:37] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: The author fixed it in v. 5.2.3.
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[03:38] <riza> Hi.
[03:39] <Nigromante> hi
[03:39] <Mel-nix> riza: Hi.
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[03:39] <mancha> you can migrate to 1.8.x and not enable hotplugging (ie go back to the golden days of xorg.conf which to be honest i liked). but i presume slack's gonna do the hotplugging right?
[03:39] <riza> :D
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[03:40] <rworkman> mancha: yep :)
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[03:41] <mancha> is there a minimum udev version rwork?
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[03:44] <Azeotrope> rworkman: strange, I rebooted and eth0 is my main interface. internet works. but i'm sure the problem will come again
[03:44] <Nigromante> paste your ifconfig -a
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[03:45] <rworkman> Azeotrope: show me that pastebin output I asked for
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[03:46] <rworkman> mancha: the one in 13.1 is the lowest I'd go.
[03:46] <mancha> rwork, that won't be possible i'm afraid. so...i hope that's not a binding minimum
[03:46] <adrien> is autoconf still causing problems for some people?
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[03:47] <adrien> mancha: I know a few people who tried 1.8.x and I don't think they had to update udev
[03:47] <rworkman> mancha: what version do you have?
[03:47] <mancha> 141
[03:48] <rworkman> As long as you have libudev and the keymaps, it should be fine in theory
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[03:48] <Azeotrope> rworkman: http://pastebin.com/uTeA00ws
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[03:49] <rworkman> Azeotrope: that's not what I requested.
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[03:49] <rworkman> Azeotrope: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[03:50] <Azeotrope> rworkman: http://pastebin.com/YjrGQpUi
[03:50] <Azeotrope> sorry
[03:50] <mancha> rworkman, ok then, i should be good.
[03:50] <mancha> thanks.
[03:50] <rworkman> Azeotrope: if that's the only thing in there, then you do NOT have two nics (or else one is malfunctioning)
[03:51] <mancha> i've seen him as Azeotrope & JBauer so he definitely has two _nicks_
[03:51] <Azeotrope> i have 2 in the ifconfig -a, and i'm sure the other one exists, it's on-board
[03:51] <rworkman> Well, it doesn't appear to be working (or it's blacklisted)
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[03:51] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: what is this: vboxnet0
[03:51] <rworkman> virtualbox
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[03:52] <mancha> one thing you might wanna check is lspci
[03:52] <Azeotrope> rworkman: i remember trying a long time ago to use, to spoof the MAC (that's how I got my IP addres from my ISP) and was very very slow.
[03:53] <dchmelik> I installed a new ATI video card, and apparently I must reconfigure X... but none of the old programs seem to be there... how do you configure it nowadays before you probably add in the higher video modes by hand?
[03:53] <rworkman> Azeotrope: using lspci -vvv, find the kernel driver in use by that onboard nic and blacklist it.
[03:53] <mancha> now HAL does it all by art of magic!
[03:54] <mancha> but...that said, HAL's dead as per our convo from a few minutes ago (so enjoy it while it lasts)
[03:54] <dchmelik> HAL is dead?
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[03:54] <Azeotrope> rworkman: Kernel modules: 8139too, 8139cp
[03:55] <mancha> yep, hal died
[03:56] <rworkman> Azeotrope: ls -l /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver/module | rev | cut -d/ -f2 | rev
[03:56] <dchmelik> Is xorgsetup the only X configuration program left, or what?
[03:56] <rworkman> dchmelik: X -configure
[03:57] <rworkman> dchmelik: the best option is to move an /etc/X11/xorg.conf out of the way
[03:57] <dchmelik> I did X -configure, but it made a really crappy configuration
[03:57] <Azeotrope> rworkman: it outputed "module"
[03:57] <dchmelik> the program that let you choose it all by hand was best
[03:59] <rworkman> bash-4.1# ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module | rev | cut -d/ -f2 | rev
[03:59] <rworkman> e1000e
[03:59] <rworkman> show me just "ls -l /sys/class/net/eth0/device/driver/module"
[04:00] <rworkman> DO NOT put the "/" at the end.
[04:00] <rworkman> IOW, type what I type, not what you type.
[04:00] <Azeotrope> rworkman: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 May 29 10:55 /sys/class/net/eth1/device/driver/module -> ../../../../module/r8169
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[04:00] <rworkman> okay, good.
[04:00] <Azeotrope> rworkman: of course.
[04:00] <Nigromante> :)
[04:01] <rworkman> Now do this:  echo 'blacklist r8169' > /etc/modprobe.d/r8169.conf
[04:01] <Axius> Where can I download a dvd iso image for slackware 13.1?
[04:01] <Nigromante> torrent Axius
[04:01] <mancha> torrent
[04:01] <rworkman> Azeotrope: your onboard nick appears to be bad, so that will keep it from being loaded
[04:01] <dchmelik> you can also look at some of the mirrors, Axius
[04:01] <rworkman> Axius: http://slackware.naptime.net
[04:01] <Azeotrope> rworkman ok. did it. thank you!
[04:02] <dchmelik> so if I move my old xorg.conf away, X - configure will actually do something different?
[04:02] <Axius> rworkman: thanks
[04:03] <Azeotrope> rworkman: my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf has YES on dhcp for eth1, unchanged for the rest, and default gateway is my IP!! dunno why, didn't put it there.
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[04:03] <mancha> dchmelik are you on 13.0 or 13.1?
[04:03] <rworkman> dchmelik: yes
[04:03] <dchmelik> 13.0
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[04:03] <rworkman> Azeotrope: run netconfig
[04:04] <mancha> just move xorg.conf to xorg.conf.disabled
[04:04] <mancha> and don't config, test it wirth pure hal sweetness
[04:04] <rworkman> finger rworkman@slackware.naptime.net   fwiw :)
[04:04] <dchmelik> what do you mean, mancha--just run it?
[04:04] <mancha> wirth=with
[04:04] <mancha> yes, just run X with no xorg.conf
[04:04] <mancha> ie. start
[04:04] <mancha> startx
[04:05] <dchmelik> ok, thanks for the suggestions, guys... I will try these things out and be back later
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[04:05] <mancha> hah, is that your domain?
[04:05] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: are you running slackware in a virtual machine?
[04:05] <Azeotrope> rworkman: netconfig and? static or dhcp? i don't know my dns and gateway. i know the subnet mask and my ip
[04:05] <Azeotrope> Nigromante: no.
[04:05] <Nigromante> ah ok
[04:06] <rworkman> Azeotrope: dhcp on eth0; that's all you need.
[04:06] <Azeotrope> rworkman: thank you!
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[04:06] <Nigromante> provided you have a dhcpd server in your segment :-)
[04:07] <Azeotrope> i think i have one
[04:08] <Nigromante> ok
[04:08] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: I'd try removing virtualbox too (just to test)
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[04:09] <Azeotrope> error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[04:09] <Azeotrope> i can't run a binary
[04:09] <Delahunt> sounds like someone needs a file
[04:09] <Nigromante> i wont give you mine :-P
[04:09] <Azeotrope> yea, but from where
[04:09] <mancha> your xorg is incomplete
[04:10] <Nigromante> try installing a brand new 13.1
[04:10] <dchmelik> Ok, I got rid of my old xorg.conf and tried startx, X - configure, and xorgsetup each, and got the same very inadequate setup each time.
[04:10] <Azeotrope> i am on 13.1
[04:10] <mancha> you need the libX11 package
[04:10] <Nigromante> ah ok
[04:10] <mancha> but it you are missing that you can't run X at all!
[04:10] <Azeotrope> mancha: but i run X
[04:11] <Nigromante> :)
[04:11] <mancha> well i don;t know how
[04:11] <mancha> ls -l /usr/lib/libX11*
[04:11] <dchmelik> I just wish I had the old xorgconfig program back
[04:11] <Nigromante> try doing a find / -name "libX11.so*"
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[04:12] <Azeotrope> mancha: ls: cannot access /usr/lib/libX11*: No such file or directory
[04:12] <mancha> are you 64 bit or similar nonsense?  if so /usr/lib64/libX11*   :)
[04:13] <Azeotrope> pfff.. yea, 64
[04:13] <alisonken1home> A64 bit nonsense? hmmm
[04:13] <Azeotrope> it's that related? that's why i don't have that file?
[04:13] <rworkman> installpkg clue  :)
[04:14] <Azeotrope> mancha: http://pastebin.org/289713
[04:14] <Azeotrope> rworkman: for me?
[04:15] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: did you install ALL when installing Slackware?
[04:15] <mancha> so the app is looking for libX11 in the wrong place. is it a 32 bit app by chance?
[04:16] <Azeotrope> mancha: i really don't know, it's precompiled binary. i used it on by Slackware64 13.0 w/o issues
[04:16] <Nigromante> which application is it
[04:16] <Azeotrope> Nigromante: yes, all, plus the 32bit compat libs
[04:16] <Azeotrope> bitcoin
[04:16] <mancha> Aze: rworkman burnt the midnight oil making a brand-ass spaniking new xorg suite for 13.1
[04:16] <rworkman> If you need 32bit apps, then run 32bit Slackware.  It's easier for you.
[04:16] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: recompile
[04:17] <mancha> a precompiled binary is linked against older libs
[04:17] <Azeotrope> Nigromante: i'd do that but i don't know how to do it for cpp sources...
[04:17] <mancha> either that or you have some 32/64 bit badness happening...i don't know what to tell you
[04:18] <champus> g'morning
[04:18] <mancha> do you have the option of re-compiling the thing? that would be the best way imvho
[04:18] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: well, you may have to read developer's documentation...
[04:18] <Azeotrope> rworkman: well, that's just about the only 32 bit app i need
[04:19] <mancha> aha! it is a 32 bit app! mystery solved.
[04:19] <Azeotrope> Nigromante: that's 0. there's just a whitepaper of the concept, but if you don't have math and crypto skills you're dead
[04:19] <Nigromante> ok
[04:20] <Azeotrope> mancha: i concluded that from it not working
[04:20] <redtricycle> Running lilo in a chroot...
[04:20] <redtricycle> "Fatal: device-mapper: only linear boot device supported"
[04:20] <redtricycle> Googled for a while, and I tried mounting my /proc and /dev
[04:20] <redtricycle> Could someone point me in the right direction?
[04:21] <redtricycle> Just installed windows, and I'm trying to get lilo back
[04:21] <Nigromante> give a try to grub?
[04:21] <Azeotrope> mancha: and voila. on the site sais it's 32 bit
[04:21] <dchmelik> I also have an old xorg.conf-vesa... did I need to remove that also, or is there something else I should do now?
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[04:21] <mancha> so you need the 32-bit compatibility fu manchu or whatever  :)
[04:22] <Nigromante> he said he had installed compatibility packages
[04:22] <mancha> ok, then he needs to correctly install it
[04:22] <mancha> :>
[04:22] <Nigromante> :)
[04:23] <redtricycle> Ok.  I mounted my boot partition.
[04:23] <Azeotrope> you mean build?
[04:23] <redtricycle> Bah, that was it...
[04:23] <Azeotrope> fu mancha
[04:23] <Nigromante> :-)
[04:24] <dchmelik> I doubt X -configure could ever do the right settings because I may have an old monitor that needs to be set manually... which is why I want xorgconfig
[04:24] <dchmelik> it is from 1996
[04:25] <Nigromante> I use xorg.config, indeed, needed for nvidia
[04:25] <dchmelik> xorgconfig is not xorg.config
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[04:25] <Nigromante> you mean the command
[04:25] <dchmelik> yes
[04:26] <mancha> dchmelik, get it from the older slacks
[04:26] <Nigromante> you may write de file by hand, or get a sample
[04:26] <dchmelik> as long as it wont screw something up
[04:26] <Nigromante> the file
[04:26] <mancha> do you mean xorgsetup?
[04:26] <dchmelik> certainly not... it hardly does anything
[04:27] <dchmelik> it is still in 13.0 anyway
[04:27] <mancha> is xorgconfig part of slackware?
[04:28] <dchmelik> it used to be
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[04:28] <dchmelik> but I assume now the X creators think everyone has top-of-the-line hardware or something
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[04:29] <Mel-nix> dchmelik: How about xorgsetup?
[04:29] <mancha> what slackware has xorgconfig?
[04:30] <Azeotrope> *big problem* my computer just shutdowned third time in 24 hrs. i enterd bios and CPU temp was !!!94 C
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[04:30] <mancha> that's bad
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[04:30] <dchmelik> what about xorgsetup, Mel-nix?  I already said I tried startx, X -configure, and xorgsetup and got the same inadequate config
[04:30] <Nigromante> dchmelik: xorgconfig was removed from xorg, not slackware
[04:30] <Azeotrope> mancha: do you think it can be so high?
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[04:30] <dchmelik> I never said Slackware removed it, Nigromante
[04:31] <mancha> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EqQOuXGRDo
[04:31] <Nigromante> i never said you said, dchmelik :-)
[04:31] <Azeotrope> sensors output http://pastebin.org/289739
[04:31] <mancha> i never said he said that you said that i said that you are being obnoxious
[04:31] <mancha> :P
[04:31] <Nigromante> Azeotrope: buy a new fan, Azeotrope
[04:31] <Nigromante> remove the last Azeotrope, Azeotrope
[04:34] <Mel-nix> dchmelik: Are you having a specific problem with X?
[04:35] <Nigromante> he has no xorg.conf
[04:35] <mancha> console's better anyways
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[04:35] <mancha> consider it a blessing in disguise
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[04:36] <dchmelik> yes, Mel-nix, it will not set up my display properly
[04:37] <Mel-nix> dchmelik: What exactly happens?
[04:37] <dchmelik> it gives me a 60Hz display with only three resolutions
[04:38] <Nigromante> so you want to set up refresh rates manually... ?
[04:38] <dchmelik> if that is how it has to be done... I just want to set them up--somehow
[04:39] <dchmelik> I have not found the old xorgconfig program so far
[04:39] <dchmelik> it seems they are all diff file archives
[04:39] <Nigromante> it was used to write a xorg.conf file
[04:39] <dchmelik> wait, maybe they are in xorg-skel
[04:39] <dchmelik> (the package)
[04:40] <Nigromante> i would take a sample xorg.conf file and customize it
[04:40] <dchmelik> that is a pain in the ass compared to using xorgconfig
[04:40] <Nigromante> may be
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[04:41] <Nigromante> but if you dont have the command...
[04:41] <Nigromante> do you use an nvidia card?
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[04:41] <Nigromante> nvidia drivers can write a xorg.conf for you
[04:42] <dchmelik> of course I do not have an Nvidia--they are not very for Free Software... I have an ATI
[04:42] <dchmelik> (not that ATI is much better)
[04:42] <Nigromante> I see
[04:44] <Mel-nix> dchmelik: In case of my earlier on-board graphics chip, I generated a file with xorgsetup and then customized by hand, referring to the manual for intel(4).
[04:44] <Nigromante> yes, its a nice alternative
[04:44] <dchmelik> I think I did that last time for my old video card, just because my monitor is not digital
[04:44] <pupit> has anyone here tried to run HP scanjet3500c in linux?
[04:44] <Nigromante> i did once
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[04:45] <Axius> When was slackware 13.1 released?
[04:45] <Mel-nix> dchmelik: You may need to refer to the manual of your monitor as well.
[04:45] <pupit> and all you did is that Nigromante :)?
[04:45] <mancha> beginning of the week  :)
[04:45] <Nigromante> pupit i've done more things since then
[04:45] <dchmelik> Mel-nix, I can do that when I use xorgconfig... why the X creators ever took it out is beyond me....
[04:45] <Mel-nix> Axius: 24 May?
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[04:46] <pupit> Nigromante: was it successful with 3500c?
[04:46] <Nigromante> i guess i was able to scan something
[04:46] <pupit> well what software did you use?
[04:47] <Axius> Mel-nix: that's great! Did you tried slack 13.1?
[04:47] <Mel-nix> dchmelik: Additionally, refer to the manual of xorg.conf(5).
[04:47] <Nigromante> i guess i used xsane, but i guess too you must configure the scanner first
[04:48] <Mel-nix> Axius: I am using Slackware-current (13.1) 32-bit.
[04:48] <pupit> Nigromante: how am i supposed to configure? i tried to run 3500c way back on slack11 but no luck..
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[04:49] <Nigromante> try kdesu hp-setup
[04:50] <pupit> Nigromante: thanks, i'll try it :)
[04:51] <Nigromante> you are welcome :)
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[04:53] <Mel-nix> Does iptables run own its own (daemon)?
[04:54] <mancha> iptables has no need to run a daemon
[04:55] <Mel-nix> mancha: So what is it? Do I need to configure it?
[04:56] <mancha> iptables is an admin tool. linux's packet filtering is in the kernel
[04:57] <mancha> so you set up rules with iptables (userland) that are used by the filtering framework (kernelland)
[04:57] <Mel-nix> mancha: So does that mean the filtering occurs automatically?
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[04:58] <mancha> it means all you do is set up a ruleset and the kernel makes sure it is obeyed
[04:58] <mancha> iptables -L  <-- shows you if you have any active rules
[04:58] <WildWizard> any iptables rule that is loaded is used the rule needs to be removed before it is no longer used
[04:58] <WildWizard> iptables -L -v -n is best
[05:02] <Mel-nix> mancha,WildWizard: Thanks.
[05:03] <Azeotrope> how can I cut from this line just the temperature part? Core 1:      +53.0 C  (high = +76.0 C, crit = +100.0 C)
[05:03] <Azeotrope> also note that there are many lines in sensors output
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[05:09] <Mel-nix> Azeotrope: I don't know if it can be done by cut, tr, sed, expand, but I feel that it certainly can be done with (g)awk.
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[05:24] <bitlord> pupit, I have 5200c it works with xsane great, just added me in scanner group
[05:24] <pupit> bitlord hi :)
[05:25] <pupit> bitlord: i do think that 5200c is better supported
[05:26] <pupit> must look at sane website to check for mine scaner again
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[05:28] <bitlord> pupit, I don't know, it works, just plug&play :D, btw it's really old one
[05:28] <pupit> bitlord: "ScanJet 5200C Parport USB 0x03f0/0x0401 Complete" "ScanJet 3500C USB 0x03f0/0x2205 Good" :)
[05:28] <pupit> it doesnt have same chip :)
[05:30] <pupit> i did my scans in vbox-winxp-guest, but im tired of it kinda.. :)
[05:32] <bitlord> :( don't know, I have mustek too, but it won't work out-of-box, but HP works, and have better specs ++HP :D
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[05:33] <pupit> bitlord: haha, as you mentioned mustek, during my compile of kernel i removed the support for all musteks :)
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[06:36] <paul424> alienBOB: are you there ?
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[06:47] <paul424> uhh the stable version of kde 4.4 have 27 while beta  in unstable directory has 21 files , what I am supposed to do  ?
[06:48] <paul424> I mean is it reliable set of packages to try to run ... or after installation I will  be screwed ?
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[07:31] <riza> Alrright so I am practicing something.
[07:31] <riza> So in a given file. If I am trying to match all word in a file that start with a capital letter, is this correcto? grep [A-Z] file
[07:31] <vdv> huiii, my strange kernel panic disappeared
[07:31] <ThomasLocke> In the httpd.Slackbuild the Slackware devs write: "OK, it's just not generally good form to put your web site in /var/www/htdocs..."
[07:32] <ThomasLocke> That got me thinking: Why is that? I cannot come up with a good reason.
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[07:32] <ThomasLocke> Personally I've never used /var/ww/htdocs, so it's not really an issue, I just wondered why it's considered "bad" practice.
[07:33] <pupiteee> ThomasLocke: maybe because it is default path
[07:33] <Roin> Is someone else having issues with USB detection? My USB mouse and USB gamepad stop working if I plug them out and in again in games and emulators like OpenArena and zsnes, anyone know why?
[07:34] <Roin> Or just loging out and in again is enough, they need to be pluged in while booting in order to work :(
[07:34] <ThomasLocke> pupiteee, Yes, but what's wrong with that? Hmm, maybe I should ask this question in #httpd instead.  :o)
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[07:35] <slackytude|foo> it's not the correct path accoriding to the LSF
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[07:35] <slackytude|foo> afaik
[07:35] <slackytude|foo> ThomasLocke, ^
[07:36] <pupiteee> ThomasLocke: /srv/www or something
[07:36] <pupiteee> but that points to it
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[07:36] <ThomasLocke> Ah!
[07:36] <slackytude|foo> yeah, /srv/www is the correct one
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[07:36] <slackytude|foo> Pat keeps it in /var but made a symlink to conform to standards
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[07:37] <slackytude|foo> around slackware 11 or so
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[07:46] <Azeotrope> Anybody had issues with slack 13.1? in about 3 time i didn't had a taskbar
[07:46] <Azeotrope> s/time/times
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[07:47] <slackytude|foo> what taskbar?
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[07:48] <Azeotrope> KDE's... the one with KDE Start, clock, etc
[07:49] <vdv> :)
[07:50] <vdv> Azeotrope: here's a silly solution: deinstall kde4 and use kde3 )
[07:51] <slackytude|foo> oh, kde
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[07:51] Action: vdv uses kde3
[07:51] <slackytude|foo>  #kde
[07:51] <Azeotrope> vdv: it happened to you too?
[07:51] <Roin> anyone know something about my usb issue? I googled a lot since the last 3 days but it looks like noone can confirm this
[07:51] <vdv> slackytude: i think Azeotrope was already at #kde
[07:52] <vdv> Azeotrope: that was something another, i just don't remember, but i know exactly that with kde3 life is much simpler
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[07:53] <vdv> Azeotrope: kde4 needs some time to become stable and without bugs
[07:53] <Azeotrope> grandma's life is simpler too, but i don't want to milk goats
[07:54] <vdv> Azeotrope: you don't, you just use stable environment
[07:54] <vdv> Azeotrope: and save your pc resources
[07:55] <vdv> Azeotrope: and your nerves )
[07:55] <Azeotrope> for fire|bird or whoever noobfarms me: i've found flightgear but i don't know how to play it.
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[07:56] <slackytude|foo> I keep hoping kde gets better
[07:56] <vdv> slackytude: that's for sure, but we need just wait a little
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[07:58] <christian_d> hi
[07:58] <slackytude|foo> http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1705
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[07:59] <paul424> hey, how can I use the Emerge gentoo system on slackware ?
[07:59] <paul424> Emerde seems to be too old ...
[08:00] <slackytude|foo> it is
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[08:02] <paul424> uhh is it possible ?
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[08:03] Action: j0z Jimi Hendrix: Electric Ladyland - Moon, Turn The Tides...Gently, Gently [01:01]
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[08:07] <paul424> grr hello
[08:07] <Oak> grr hello paul424
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[08:26] <Necrosporus> # file /usr/lib/python2.5/distutils/command/wininst-6.exe
[08:26] <Necrosporus> /usr/lib/python2.5/distutils/command/wininst-6.exe: MS-DOS executable PE  for MS Windows (GUI) Intel 80386 32-bit
[08:26] <Necrosporus> Wtf in my slackware?
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[08:30] <Azeotrope> any other way than putty to connect from a win machine to linux with ssh?
[08:30] <Azeotrope> putty does not support the new AES cipher for keys passphrase
[08:30] <straterra> cygwin
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[08:42] <paul424> hey dudes why nobody have build the distcc network for public use, yet ?
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[08:43] <adrien> because the latency induced by internet would make it uninteresting and because it raises serious security issues
[08:45] <alienBOB> paul424: you write the SlackBuild for it then
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[08:50] <oobe> is there anyway to check the progress of dd while i copy a drive to another
[08:50] <oobe> i assume not
[08:50] <adrien> send SIGUSR1 to it
[08:50] <adrien> or SIGUSR2 iirc
[08:51] <adrien> read the bottom of dd's manpage
[08:51] <trhodes> man dd | less -p USR1
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[08:51] <sahko> http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=dd+progress+bar
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[08:55] <oobe> ok awesome 9675905536 bytes (9.7 GB) copied, 2359.26 s, 4.1 MB/s
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[09:08] <paul424> alienBOB: uhh but you dude have all those templates ...
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[09:18] <alienBOB> paul424: I am not your dude
[09:18] <thrice`> :O
[09:18] <alienBOB> And I have all those templates so that someone like _you_ can also build a package
[09:18] <jkwood> I'm not your dude, buddy.
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[09:19] <alienBOB> Now go ahead and produce a nice distcc package for us paul424, using http://alien.slackbook.org/AST/
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[09:21] <sahko> id be more interested in an emerge one, thanks:)
[09:22] <paul424> alienBOB: you completly misunderstood me ... I wasn't asking about distcc avalaibility on slackware, just look my question above ... I was asking actualy why nobody started the public network of distcc deamons ... but I get the answer already ... somehwere :P
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[09:25] <alienBOB> paul424: now your question is clearer
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[09:27] <paul424> alienBOB: and at first I thought you say I write the Slackbuild for kde 4.5 because .. uhh I asked if someone have built one, some time ago.
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[09:32] <alienBOB> I am going to look at KDE 4.4.4 when I have time (I have the sources already), and KDE 4.5 when it is out of beta
[09:32] <ang> really struggling with 13.1 on 2 machines I upgraded yesterday. seem to be having all kinds of issues with X :-(
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[09:33] <ang> for whatever reason too, there are a few screensavers that my machine just won't wake up from. it's really bizarre
[09:34] <alienBOB> ang: upgrades or fresh install?
[09:34] <ang> sorry, fresh install
[09:35] <ang> this happened on one of the boxes: http://ab7.org/ss.png .... the wallpaper is bizarre...the firefox image is what it should look like.
[09:36] <sahko> what graphics card?
[09:36] <ang> its just a generic radeon 9200
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[09:37] <adrien> ang: are you getting other issues?
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[09:38] <Roin> slackboy: you dont like this guy?
[09:38] <johndee> lul
[09:38] <adrien> nice message :p
[09:38] <ang> worked fine under 10.2 ... a second machine locked up twice under X. keyboard, mouse we completely dead, a second time even the network died
[09:38] <johndee> What did he do to deserve such greeting?
[09:38] <ang> adrien: all kinds of issues :(
[09:38] <adrien> ang: well, have you checked dmesg and Xorg.0.log ?
[09:39] <ang> yes. nothing pertinent in either log
[09:40] <ang> the hsync and vsync rates are quite different under xorgserver since i upgrade than when i was running 10.2. not sure why. maybe the driver just sucks
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[09:40] <adrien> are the machines similar? which motherboard? integrated NIC?
[09:40] <ang> no, one is a p4, the ohter is an old amd thunderbird
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[09:43] <champus> slackboy: what about this mernilio?
[09:43] <cryptic0> slackboy is a bot
[09:44] <johndee> ;D
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[09:48] <ang> adrien: i'lljust have to keep tinkering until i figure out the cause
[09:48] <adrien> ang: for the second machine, you say it locked up in X with mouse and keyboard frozen, but was X loading and did it look like it had finished loading properly?
[09:49] <ang> X had already been running....i.e. i went away for an hour and came back to find it unresponsize to mouse or keyboard input
[09:50] <ang> for example, the keyboard was dead...pressing caps lock or numlock didn't activate the LEDs on the keyboard
[09:51] <adrien> read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq , it might prove useful to get the control back: r will release keyboard and mouse from X and give them back to the kernel, after that, you should be able to use Crtl+Alt+F2 or whatever to get a console
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[09:52] <adrien> (it might as well be a kernel panic, so if it still doesn't react, that's probably one)
[09:52] <ang> i shall try if it happens again
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[09:52] <adrien> and before Ctrl+Alt+F2, release all keys
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[09:53] <ang> i'm just really bummed. i've been porting slackware to my alpha, so i had been following -current pretty closely and was just waiting for the release to upgrade my x86 hardware as well
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[09:54] <Azeotrope> ldd sais libX11 is misssing
[09:54] <Azeotrope> ldd on an app
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[09:56] Action: alphageek eyes /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.3.0 on 32/13.1
[09:57] <alphageek> /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6.3.0 on its big brother
[09:58] <alphageek> regardless of bitness, you'll be needing x/libX11 installed
[09:58] Action: adrien checks, yup: C:\\Windows\\WinSxS\\libX11.so
[09:58] <Roin> o_O
[09:58] <alphageek> heh
[10:01] <Azeotrope> alphageek: i have it in that path
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[10:02] <alphageek> quite odd, that
[10:02] <alphageek> which app?
[10:03] <Azeotrope> bitcoin
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[10:04] <alphageek> paste the full line of 'ldd <appname> | grep "not found"' that regards libX11
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[10:06] <Azeotrope> alphageek: http://pastebin.org/290162
[10:07] <alphageek> are you on 32 or 64 bit slack?
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[10:08] <Azeotrope> 64 bit with 32bit layer installed
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[10:10] <alphageek> I'm out of my depth (no 64 bit stuff set up here), so about all I can comment is wait for someone else to pick up on this or talk with the bitcoin devs
[10:10] <oobe> I have this strange problem where when i am using a tty and occasionally on a virtual terminal i when i run programs like alsamixer or make menuconfig the screen is garbles with strange characters distorting the picture like "oooppppooxxx" anyone know what that is about and how i could fix it?
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[10:10] <ang> oobe: TERM=xterm or TERM=linux should resolve that
[10:11] <alphageek> out of curiousity.. 'echo $LANG $TERM'
[10:11] <oobe> ang, do i just put that in my ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc
[10:11] <alphageek> show us the result (1 line of a dozen or so chars)
[10:11] <oobe> en_US.utf8 xterm
[10:11] <oobe> it used to be en_AU.utf8 but i changed it to try and fix it
[10:12] <alphageek> try 'export LANG=en_US' as a _test_ & see what happens. aka: remove the '.utf8' part
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[10:13] <alphageek> you're seeing this at bare console as well as x terminals? just want to clarify
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[10:14] <alphageek> if you're seeing it at console, check the 'append=' line in /etc/lilo.conf & see if it has vt.default_utf8=0
[10:14] <alphageek> for x terminals, make sure you're using one that actually understands utf8 (ie: urxvt)
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[10:15] <oobe> hmm alphageek doesnt changed anything
[10:15] <alphageek> ^
[10:15] <alphageek> brb
[10:15] <oobe> i tried export LANG=en_UK.utf8 and LANG=en_UK too
[10:15] <ang> i always get the garbled characters in things like netconfig...changing the TERM variable temporarily always resolves it
[10:15] <oobe> just to see if it changed things
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[10:24] <oobe> ang, switching from TERM=linux to TERM=xterm works but it makes it so user@host appears twice at the shell
[10:25] <oobe> i.e ;oobe@box: ~oobe@box:~$
[10:25] <alphageek> back
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[10:26] <alphageek> that's for straight console, I take it?
[10:27] <alphageek> anyhow, look up about 20 lines. I made 2 suggestions for stuff to check
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[10:29] <oobe> yes i have it fixed thanks
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[10:29] <oobe> been bugging me few days now
[10:29] <alphageek> what was the solution?
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[10:30] <oobe> what you sugested but the ;oobe@box: ~oobe@box:~$ prompt was solved by moved the export to the bottom of my bashrc
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[10:31] <oobe> i put export TERM=xterm that the bottom instead of the top of my .bashrc to be more specific
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[10:33] <tobys_> anyone install Virtualbox with the *run file ?
[10:33] <oobe> tobys_, yes
[10:33] <InspectorCluseau> I did yesterday
[10:33] <tobys_> oobe you use usb devices with VM's ?
[10:34] <oobe> ah wow i had the same problem as you
[10:34] <oobe> i put this line in my fstab so i can access usb devices
[10:34] <oobe> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto,busgid=108,busmode=0775,devgid=5051,devmode=0664 0 0
[10:35] <oobe> devgid=5051 is the group id for vboxuser
[10:35] <oobe> you might need to setup a vboxuser group if you havent already
[10:35] <tobys_> 1st line in fstab
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[10:35] <oobe> just chuck it somewhere in the middle
[10:35] <oobe> and type mount -a to test
[10:35] <tobys_> yeah
[10:36] <oobe> but devgid=5051 needs to be changed to your vbox GID
[10:36] <oobe> i.e 5051 probably wont work
[10:36] <oobe> cat /etc/group | grep vbox
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[10:36] <oobe> if you have nothing you need to create vboxusers group too
[10:37] <tobys_> vboxusers:x:221:
[10:37] <oobe> nice
[10:37] <tobys_> that ok ?
[10:37] <oobe> yes
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[10:37] <oobe> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto,busgid=108,busmode=0775,devgid=221,devmode=0664 0 0
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[10:37] <tobys_> yeah ive put that in fstab and mount -a
[10:38] <oobe> i didnt need to reboot for it to take effect
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[10:38] <oobe> just restart the vm and remove and reinstert your usb device
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[10:38] <tobys_> ok will try that thanks
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[10:42] <tobys_> still same oobe ....1 add that line to fstab && mount -a  reboot + unplug the usb device ....that was right yeah ?
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[10:44] <tobys_> should i have restarted vboxdrv
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[10:44] <oobe> that should of worked
[10:44] <oobe> im looking now to see if i tried somthing else too
[10:44] <oobe> cause i think i did a few things
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[10:44] <oobe> it may of been somthing else that worked
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[10:45] <tobys_> ive just shutdown the vm and restart vboxdrv now booting see if that makes any effect
[10:46] <oobe> maybe try this none /proc/bus/usb usbfs auto,busgid=221,busmode=0775,devgid=221,devmode=0664 0 0
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[10:46] <oobe> i think i was meant to change the busgid too
[10:46] <oobe> i must of done somthing else to fix it
[10:47] <oobe> however i will say that it survived a reboot
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[10:47] <tobys_> how did you change the busgid ?
[10:48] <oobe> its in the line i pasted
[10:48] <tobys_> devgid=5051 ?
[10:48] <oobe> i googled the line and i see it came from one person using the the gid 108
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[10:49] <oobe> so i assumed the busgid needs to be the same as the vbox gid
[10:49] <oobe> http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=30684&start=30
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[10:49] <tobys_> ill have a read of that
[10:50] <oobe> oh sorry
[10:50] <oobe> once you made the change you relise you still need to enable the device in virtualbox
[10:50] <oobe> by clicking devices
[10:50] <oobe> there is a list of boxes to check and uncheck i.e real cdrom iso images etc.
[10:50] <tobys_> think i did that already
[10:50] <bitlord> Is it known issue about gvim + KDE, gvim cannot be maximized properly?
[10:51] <tobys_> i can acces my cdrom
[10:51] <tobys_> access
[10:51] <oobe> well the usb device was greyed out when i tried
[10:51] <oobe> but after i edited my fstab i could enable it
[10:51] <tobys_> yeah thats what im getting oobe
[10:51] <oobe> is it still greyed out
[10:51] <tobys_> yep
[10:53] <oobe> tobys_, is it a usb disk
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[10:54] <tobys_> usb wifi
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[10:55] <oobe> oh ok
[10:55] <oobe> well i dont know what to say it worked for me
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[10:55] <oobe> all of my usb devices
[10:55] <oobe> are accessable
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[10:56] <tobys_> the driver is loaded but now seen
[10:56] <tobys_> not*
[10:57] <oobe> also check mount
[10:57] <oobe> just type mount with no options
[10:57] <oobe> see if its using ur addition to fstab
[10:58] <pi31415> vi outputs garbage when I run it within screen
[10:58] <oobe> should say all your mounted devices plus this none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,busgid=221,busmode=0775,devgid=221,devmode=0664)
[10:59] <pi31415> apparently vi only outputs garbage in my "su" session
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[11:00] <tobys_> it doesnt show that oobe ?
[11:00] <sahko> known issue. dont use elvis
[11:00] <tobys_> i did mount -a
[11:00] <pi31415> aha, TERMCAP is set for the user, but not in su
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[11:00] <sahko> does setting it solve it?
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[11:01] <tobys_> no still the same ....should the 'none' be at the front of the line those two lines you gave me for fstab ?
[11:01] <pi31415> yes, if I export it
[11:03] <pi31415> if i am not supposed to use elvis, then why is it in the A set?
[11:03] <tobys_> version 3.1.8 r61349 is what im using oobes
[11:04] <tobys_> oobe*
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[11:07] Action: alienBOB uses elvis all the time, except withinin screen
[11:07] <alisonken1home> tobys_, elvis, like other programs available, are there for you to use or not use since it's your choice. he's just saying that with some issues, elvis has a problem - not that evlis is not usable
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[11:07] <sahko> alienBOB: is that because it doesnt work in screen? or..
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[11:09] <alienBOB> sahko: I run elvis successfully in screen on Slackware 12.2 which is where I just tried
[11:09] <sahko> it didnt work for me either when i tried as root. but i dont mean to use it anyway
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[11:10] <thrice`> works on the 12.2 server I am connected to also :)
[11:11] <sahko> what about >12.2?
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[11:11] <alisonken1home> I just used elvis in 13.0 fine - as root. let me check user mode
[11:12] <Axius> How can stop dhcpcd?
[11:12] <alisonken1home> as root killall dhcpcd
[11:12] <Axius> I've tried dhcpcd eth0 down and it does not work.
[11:13] <sahko> alisonken1home: to reproduce you must run it in screen
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[11:13] <alisonken1home> Axius, dhcpcd is a daemon for getting ip information for an interface - either man dhcpcd or use 'killall dhcpcd" to stop it
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[11:14] <thrice`> dhcpcd is the client
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[11:14] <alisonken1home> sahko, I was in screen - and just ran it again as a user starting screen, then using elivs on a text file
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[11:15] <sahko> so it works for you? in scren as root (su -)?
[11:15] <alisonken1home> sahko, the only thing screen did differently was not using the color preferences for ls
[11:15] Nick change: toby_ -> Guest96704
[11:15] <Guest96704> the line is there now oobe after reboot but still grey :(
[11:15] <alisonken1home> sahko, yes
[11:15] <Guest96704> none on /proc/bus/usb type usbfs (rw,busgid=221,busmode=0775,devgid=221,devmode=0664)
[11:15] <pi31415> if i run screen, su to root, and then use elvis, i get garbage, unless i set and export TERMCAP
[11:15] <alisonken1home> ken@kens_house:~$ cat /etc/slackware-version
[11:15] <alisonken1home> Slackware 13.0.0.0.0
[11:16] <alisonken1home> I'm using a default slackware setup - no terminal customizations
[11:16] <alisonken1home> I should point out, though, that it's slackware64 13.0
[11:16] <alisonken1home> ken@kens_house:~$ uname -a
[11:16] <alisonken1home> Linux kens_house 2.6.29.6 #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 11:58:18 CDT 2009 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
[11:17] <alisonken1home> and not using the multilib packages
[11:18] <Mel-nix> Axius: dhcpcd -k, then you may need to kill $PID.
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[11:22] <pi31415> i guess a proper fix would be for me to add screen.linux to my /etc/termcap
[11:22] <brainvision> mmmm...
[11:22] <pi31415> there are several ^screen entries in /etc/termcap-BSD
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[11:23] <brainvision> hi men.. :D
[11:23] <brainvision> just a little question,please
[11:23] <brainvision> I would like to know how xfce is packagesd in slackware..
[11:23] <brainvision> I mean:
[11:23] <brainvision> all the dependencies and all the xfce's components
[11:23] <pi31415> philsophically, i wonder whether elvis, screen, or slackware is to blame
[11:24] <alisonken1home> brainvision, if you do a full install, xfce runs fine
[11:24] <brainvision> are in one package
[11:24] <brainvision> alisonken1home: I know.. I'm doing an exèpert install from 3 years..
[11:24] <brainvision> :D
[11:24] <brainvision> I want to update
[11:24] <brainvision> xfce to 4.6.2..
[11:24] <brainvision> :)
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[11:24] <alisonken1home> brainvision, for desktop environments (like kde/xfce/blackbox/etc) you can't have static binaries because of many reasons
[11:25] <brainvision> ????
[11:25] <alisonken1home> one of them being file sizes as well as library upgrades
[11:25] <brainvision> please listen to my question
[11:25] <pi31415> besides, the glibc maintainer does not want to support static linking
[11:25] <brainvision> I would like to know if thunar and exo, for example7
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[11:25] <brainvision> are in the meaning package of xfce..
[11:26] <brainvision> not deps like glibc.. naturally!!
[11:26] <alisonken1home> brainvision, I understand you asked about dependenciesall being met inside the xfce package
[11:26] <brainvision> no, no, sorry..
[11:26] <alienBOB> alisonken1home: no, look at the xfce SlackBuild
[11:26] <brainvision> not all dependencies
[11:26] <brainvision> :D
[11:26] <alienBOB> There are several other source tarballs in there
[11:26] <alisonken1home> hmmm
[11:26] <alienBOB> That is what he means
[11:26] <alisonken1home> ah
[11:27] <brainvision> so alisonken1home are all in one packeges..
[11:27] <brainvision> thunar, exo
[11:27] <brainvision> and so on..
[11:27] <brainvision> that's right?
[11:27] <alienBOB> So, upgrade all of those to their latest versions and then edit and run the xfce.SlackBuild
[11:28] <pi31415> ah well, the screen FAQ covers it.. i am not inclined to blame elvis
[11:28] <brainvision> but I woulded to use the rworkman package :)
[11:28] <mancha> always blame elvis, it should be a default setting.
[11:28] <alienBOB> Perhaps the fastest way for you brainvision if you are not experienced, is to grab everything in http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/sources/13.1/xfce-4.6.2/
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[11:29] <phrag> o/
[11:29] <pi31415> mancha: what should be a default setting?
[11:29] <mancha> blaming elvis
[11:29] <brainvision> sAli:D that's what I was seaying..
[11:29] <brainvision> alienBOB: :D
[11:29] <pi31415> i guess he would not take offence
[11:29] <brainvision> I'm quite experienced.. I do packages for slacky
[11:30] <brainvision> but you know, if there is something sone.. :)
[11:30] <brainvision> done*
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[11:30] <pi31415> huh, I didn't know echo $'\n' was the same as echo -e "\n"
[11:30] <brainvision> so my original question was if I need only the package you linked me, alienBOB
[11:31] <mancha> what was the screen/elvis issue pi?
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[11:31] <pi31415> so /etc/termcap has a ^minix entry but no ^screen.linux entry =)
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[11:32] <pi31415> mancha: elvis uses termcap, but if you "su -" within screen, you lose the TERMCAP environment variable and there is no screen.linux entry in /etc/termcap, so you get garbage from elvis
[11:32] <mancha> pi, there's a bugginess in the default slackware setup wrt termcaps
[11:33] <alisonken1home> pi31415, I went "su - ; screen -S rootshell; elvis" rather than "screen -S rootshell ; su - ; elvis", so that may have been the difference
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[11:34] <void_16> hi all
[11:34] <void_16> I've a question.
[11:34] <pi31415> it is no big deal, after 20 years i still regularly have to remap my backspace key on *nix boxes.  stty erase ^V^H or ^V^? or whatever
[11:34] <void_16> I just upraged my slackware from 13.0 to 13.1
[11:34] <alisonken1home> void_16, upgrade, or reinstall ?
[11:34] <void_16> do I need recompile my package which is installed using slackbuild?
[11:34] <alisonken1home> s/reinstall/install/
[11:35] <pi31415> it is almost like a joke.  it's Unix.  backspace is not always supposed to work by default.  =)
[11:35] <mancha> backspace and delete are different!
[11:35] <void_16> alisonken1home, upgrade
[11:35] <alisonken1home> void_16, from disk or from slackpkg?
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[11:35] <void_16> from disk.
[11:36] <pi31415> mancha: I remember the xterm TERMCAP changed between ^H and ^? a few times
[11:36] <mancha> void_16 the answer is maybe. if it linked to things that changed it won't work, if not it'll work as is on 13.1
[11:36] <brainvision> ok men, thanks very much
[11:36] <brainvision> I'm going to update my xfce :D
[11:36] <alisonken1home> however, since you're asking about rebuilding your program, it's probably a good idea since there were a couple of library changes between 13.0 and 13.1 that I recall
[11:36] <brainvision> see ya!:D
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[11:36] <void_16> mancha, even the version is the same?
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[11:37] <mancha> void_16 it isn't about that, it is depdendent on what system libraries it links to, if those changed it probably won
[11:37] <mancha> t work
[11:37] <alisonken1home> void_16, your program version is not the question - it's what librarires your program was compiled against that's the question when upgrading the underlying os
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[11:38] <void_16> hmmm, okay I get it.
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[11:38] <void_16> when it runs well, I don't need to recompile. But if it doesn't I need to recompile. Am I right?
[11:38] <mancha> yes
[11:38] <alisonken1home> that's one test, yes
[11:39] <void_16> Ok, then.
[11:39] <alisonken1home> or if your program starts to do some funny stuff that's not expected
[11:39] <void_16> thank you all.
[11:39] <void_16> @alisonke1home, hahaha, yaps, my texmaker doesn't run welll T_T
[11:39] <void_16> hahaha
[11:40] <mancha> tetex or texlive?
[11:40] <mancha> or somethign like lyx?
[11:40] <pi31415> in 13.0, if i closed my netbook lid, the ensuing interrupt storm put a permanent high load on Linux.  in 13.1, Linux just crashes.
[11:40] <pi31415> i definitely blame my hardware for this problem
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[11:41] <void_16> mancha, something like lyx.
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[11:41] <mancha> what exactly do you use?
[11:41] <pi31415> in 13.1, Linux switches to a SLOW video mode even though I have vga=normal in /etc/lilo.conf
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[11:42] <pi31415> s/SLOW/SLOW console/
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[11:42] <alisonken1home> pi31415, do you have an nvidia chip? if so, did you blacklist nouveau and install the nvidia binary blobs?
[11:42] <mancha> eh? what does slow mean here?
[11:43] <mancha> vga normal means 80x25
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[11:43] <alisonken1home> that's 80x25 text mode - correct?
[11:43] <pi31415> alisonken1home, i do not have an nvidia chip
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[11:44] <pi31415> it looks like 80x50 to me
[11:44] <mancha> 80x50 is vga extended
[11:44] <mancha> it sounds to me like it is using kernel modesetting
[11:45] <pi31415> some boot messages are output in 80x25
[11:45] <pi31415> then part way through the boot, it switches to 80x50
[11:45] <adamk> pi31415: What video card do you have?
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[11:46] <alisonken1home> video chipset
[11:46] <pi31415> Intel 945GME Chipset
[11:46] <mancha> use i915.modeset=0 or summit
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[11:46] <alisonken1home> hmm - may have to upgrade my laptop and see what it does with 13.1
[11:46] <alisonken1home> but I only burned a 64-13.1 dvd
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[11:47] <auska> hi!
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[11:47] <auska> i have a problem... my slackware doesn't mount my cdrom what i have to do?
[11:47] <slackytude|evil> what did you do?
[11:48] <mancha> google for how to ask an intelligent question  :)
[11:48] <auska> i have that on my fstab:
[11:48] <auska> /dev/cdrom      /mnt/cdrom       auto        noauto,owner,ro  0   0
[11:48] <auska> /dev/cdrom1     /mnt/cdrom1      auto           noauto,owner,ro 0       0
[11:48] <pi31415> it is intelfb
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[11:48] <auska> mancha, i have been looking for it but i didn't fine anything useful
[11:48] <alisonken1home> auska: what version of slackware are you using?
[11:48] <auska> 13
[11:48] <Candinho> if i do slackpkg update, and then slackpkg upgrade-all, its changes from 13 to 13.1?
[11:48] <slackytude|evil> Candinho, have to change the mirrors file
[11:49] <mancha> ok and you do: mount /dev/cdrom and nothing?
[11:49] <adamk> pi31415: Actually, it's probably inteldrmfb
[11:49] <alisonken1home> then I would suggest you remove the cdrom entries from /etc/fstab, make sure your user is part of the plugdev/cdrom groups, and try again after logout/login
[11:49] <zaltekk> and you may want to do install new and clean system
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[11:49] <pi31415> Documentation/fb/framebuffer.txt does not tell how to disable the framebuffer device
[11:49] <Candinho> slackytude which is the file that configure slackpkg , i dont remember
[11:49] <adamk> pi31415: mancha gave you the kernel option above.
[11:49] <slackytude|evil>  /etc/slackpkg/
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[11:50] <Candinho> slackytude|evil, ty man
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[11:50] <adamk> Mind you, X probably won't work if you disable KMS with that option.
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[11:51] <mancha> auska does it not mount with "mount /dev/cdrom" ?
[11:51] <adamk> pi31415: As an alternative to disabling KMS altogether, you can specify a resolution with video=640x480 appended as a kernel argument.
[11:52] <auska> i have done it... now slack is trying to do it... but i think it doesn't since it takes a long time
[11:52] <mancha> what error (check with dmesg)
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[11:53] <pi31415> adamk: X depends on fb?
[11:53] <auska> mancha, any error is just working and not finishing it...
[11:53] <alisonken1home> pi31415, depends on how you set it up :)
[11:53] <slackytude|evil> sounds like bad media
[11:53] <adamk> pi31415: The intel driver depends on KMS these days, yes.
[11:53] <mancha> ok, let me rephrase paste your linux provided error, not your own creation of an error report  :)
[11:54] <alisonken1home> by default, if no valid driver for the chipset is found, X will default to fb mode
[11:54] <adamk> Which doesn't really apply to this situation :-)
[11:54] <mancha> heh
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[11:56] <auska> mancha, what? i don't undestend what you mean...
[11:56] <mancha> post the error that "dmesg" shows.
[11:57] <pi31415> intel(4) says it supports the 945GME chipset
[11:57] <auska> http://pastebin.com/PkidhBps
[11:58] <adamk> pi31415: Right.  That's not the issue.
[11:58] <adamk> The issue is that you don't like the resolution of the framebuffer console, but you need KMS (which provides the framebuffer) in order for X to run.
[11:58] <mancha> ok, do you see the errors? those IO errors means a cat with sharp nails walked on your CD
[11:59] <pi31415> i could try vga=0x0f00
[11:59] <adamk> pi31415: So assuming X is working fine, just leave it alone and append video=640x480 (or some other resolution you *do* like) to the kernel boot line.
[11:59] <mancha> you don'tread?
[11:59] <adamk> pi31415: Again...  Use video=
[11:59] <pi31415> adamk: i do not like the slow speed of the framebuffer console
[11:59] <adamk> OK.
[11:59] <adamk> That doesn't change anything that I've said.
[11:59] <mancha> pi, you've been told how to fix by two people infinitely more knowledgable about this than you and yet you continue to ignore and argue
[11:59] <pi31415> adamk: i have not tried X yet
[12:00] <adamk> pi31415: Well let's assume, for a second, it will work fine.  You can either get rid of KMS, and not have a functioning X, or you can specify a resolution for the framebuffer with the video= option.
[12:00] <adamk> Or you can leave the console exactly as it is.
[12:00] <adamk> Those are your options.
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[12:00] <pi31415> mancha: you told me to use i915.modeset=0, so I hit the docs to try to understand that.  Is this a problem?
[12:01] <adamk> That is the option that will disable KMS.
[12:01] <adamk> And break X.
[12:01] <slackytude|evil> oh noes!
[12:01] <slackytude|evil> dont break the X
[12:01] <adamk> The documentation in the kernel source has not been updated for KMS, unfortunately.
[12:01] <adamk> So you can't go by that documentation.
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[12:02] <pi31415> adamk: thank you for the information
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[12:02] <adamk> No problem.
[12:02] <Guest15836> is ok if i do slackpkg upgrade-all to go from 13 to 13.1 in one prompt inside xw ijndows?
[12:02] <Guest15836> will upgrade the kde ? or wont upgrade kde because it is in use?
[12:03] <slackytude|evil> it is not recommended
[12:03] <adamk> It is inadvisable to do the upgrade inside X.
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[12:03] <alienBOB> It is _stupid_ to upgrade from within X
[12:03] <Guest15836> should i do do crlto x
[12:03] <slackytude|evil> init 1 is the recommedation
[12:03] <alisonken1home> Guest15836, the problem is in X you will be using libraries that will be getting upgraded at the same time - bad mojo
[12:03] <alienBOB> And "upgrade-all" will not be enough
[12:03] <BP{k}> Guest15836: you really need to read 1) UPGRADE.TXT 2) the manpages for upgradepkg and slackpkg 3) think 4) CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT
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[12:04] <BP{k}> then you need to draw a circle around your computer and mark it with 6 silver candles, sprinkle it with the blood of a virgin and sacrifice the ritual goat.
[12:04] <Guest15836> it is in the midle of the upgrdad what do i do now?
[12:04] <BP{k}> or was that how to correctly terminate a scsi chain.
[12:04] <alisonken1home> BP{k}, what happened to having the King Penguin bless the ritual?
[12:04] <slackytude|evil> BP{k}, forgot the elder sign
[12:04] <mancha> these days someone who has had sex less than 100 times will do, we have to adapt to the times...
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[12:05] <jewbacca> BP{k}: you need black candles and the the ritual sacrifice of a virgin
[12:05] <BP{k}> aw damn .. I always get those things mixed up :D
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[12:05] <phrag> heh
[12:05] <Guest15836> it is in the midle of the upgrdad what do i do now?
[12:05] <pi31415> rebooting to try i915.modeset=0 just for giggles
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[12:05] <adamk> Ugh.
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[12:05] <Guest15836> HELP
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[12:06] <v4nelle> guys i have slackware 13.0 as apache server,and sometimes sensors dont work...why?
[12:06] <adamk> If he comes back, complaining that X won't work, I'm going to lose it.
[12:06] <mancha> sensors?
[12:06] <v4nelle> lmsensors
[12:06] <alisonken1home> Guest15836, try ^C a few times and hope you still have your CD available
[12:06] <mancha> adamk, i think it's best to disengage, he doesn't seem to read well
[12:06] <Guest15836> ok
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[12:06] <Guest15836> i hit crtl c
[12:06] <mancha> what does lmsensors have to do with apache?
[12:06] <v4nelle> nothning...
[12:07] <v4nelle> nothing :p
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[12:07] <Guest15836> to upgrade i should do this : enter in lilo = single user, for dont load anytyhing, and then use slackpkg upgrade all?
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[12:07] <Guest15836> where can i find those txt? im kind noob
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[12:07] <mancha> so why did you say "folks i prefer vanilla ice cream to chocolate, can someone explain then why /dev/random takes so long to fill up with entropy"
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[12:08] <Guest15836> can i fix this ? or should i format ?
[12:08] <jewbacca> mancha: i missed that...
[12:08] <jewbacca> mancha: that's a real wtf
[12:08] <BP{k}> Guest15836: on your install media or any server carrying a Slackware tree for the version you are install.
[12:08] <alienBOB> Guest15836: runlevel 3 is perfectly OK. No need to go back to runlevel 1 (you will have no network in runlevel 1)
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[12:09] <alienBOB> Guest15836: do you remember what package was being upgraded when you pressed Ctrl-C ?
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[12:09] <Guest15836> Package: bash-4.1.007-i486-1.txz
[12:09] <Guest15836> this one
[12:10] <alisonken1home> whoops - that may be fun if it didn't finish
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[12:10] <Guest15836> 88% [=================================>     ] 802,080      122K/s  eta 1s      ^
[12:11] <Guest15836> do u guys think im fucked?
[12:11] <auska> mancha, sorry i had do left a moment i now i will  read what you said
[12:11] <alienBOB> Oops.... bash is not a good one to abort
[12:11] <alisonken1home> at that point, it was just downloading, so you should be ok
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[12:11] <pi31415> adamk is correct, (EE) intel(0): No kernel modesetting driver detected.
[12:11] <alienBOB> Well Guest, does "man slackpkg" still work?
[12:11] <alienBOB> Well Guest15836 , does "man slackpkg" still work?
[12:11] <mancha> auska thats ok, i was pointing out tat the errors suggest your media is fried
[12:12] <alisonken1home> either the cat scratched it or the other half used it for a cup coaster, or the kids used it for a frisbee
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[12:12] <adamk> pi31415: While I do make mistakes, X and 3D drivers are one of the things I'm pretty good at :-)
[12:13] <alienBOB> Guest15836 - the man page tells you that these are the commands to run when you want to upgrade to a new release (every command separately to be safe, and be sure to answer all the questions at the end): slackpkg update ; slackpkg install-new ; slackpkg upgrade-all ; slackpkg clean-system
[12:13] <Guest15836> ok so now, i go to runlevel 3, in the console i type slackpkg update and then upgrade all and i will be fine
[12:13] <auska> aha... and what can i do?
[12:13] <mancha> get working media!  :)
[12:13] <Guest15836> im promisse i will read all man , and upgrade txt, but this is one emergency please help me here guys
[12:13] <mancha> if the cd is actually in good shape then it could be the reader (not the cd itself)
[12:13] <alienBOB> Guest15836: just to be safe, run this first: slackpkg update bash
[12:13] <alisonken1home> Guest15836, there's a couple of others as well - need to read the changes and hints.txt file as well as the upgrade.txt file
[12:13] <alienBOB> And then slackpkg update slackpkg
[12:14] <auska> it can't be that, what happen was that i mounted the cdrom i was working with it
[12:14] <alienBOB> Grr "slackpkg upgrade bash" and "slackpkg upgraade slackpkg" of course
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[12:14] <alienBOB> And follow that with "slackpkg update" again
[12:15] <zaltekk> what are my chances of running a ubuntu package?
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[12:15] <auska> and then i had to use another cd so, i use kde, i tighten the boton on the menu where i have the mounted handware
[12:15] <auska> and i was able to open the cdrom and introduce the second one
[12:15] <auska> then i wasn't able to mount it again...
[12:16] <mancha> so 2nd cd is bad
[12:16] <mancha> put 1st cd back in and try to mount
[12:16] <alisonken1home> auska, try the dvd yet?
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[12:16] <auska> alisonken1home, no, i don't
[12:16] <alisonken1home> or do you only have a cd reader/burner?
[12:17] <auska> now i will try again the first cd
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[12:17] <auska> oq it was the cd
[12:17] <auska> thanks at all!
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[12:19] <mancha> :)
[12:19] <Guest15836> back later
[12:19] <Guest15836> go try fix this mess
[12:19] <zaltekk> there is a freely-available but closed source utility that i would like to use to replace a windows utility, but the only release of the utility is as a ubuntu package. how would i go about trying to get this to run on 13.1? does slackware come with any tools to extract .deb packages? aren't they just normal archives?
[12:19] <Guest15836> wish me lucky guys
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[12:20] <BP{k}> zaltekk: i believe .debs can be extracted with ar.
[12:20] <alisonken1home> zaltekk, "normal" is relative. deb packages are ar formatted archives
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[12:21] <alisonken1home> inside a deb package is the tarball of the package, and a tarball of the control information that deb uses for how the rest of the package gets installed/removed
[12:21] <zaltekk> alisonken1home: i was wanting to extract the binaries and see if they by chance run
[12:21] <alisonken1home> "man ar" and browse around :)
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[12:21] <zaltekk> and if so i could repackage it for slackware and install it cleanly
[12:21] <alisonken1home> then do 'ldd' on the binary and see if there's missing dependencies first
[12:21] <zaltekk> or try to :)
[12:22] <mancha> what's the utility?
[12:23] <Azeotrope> i'm missing also some files that are needed by an app. in 13.0 it worked great
[12:23] <Urgleflogue> zaltekk, google for deb2tgz
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[12:26] <zaltekk> Urgleflogue: thankyou. that makes it much easier to look at
[12:26] <zaltekk> mancha: it is for a Wii filesystem
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[12:33] <zaltekk> well, it seems that the main program is written in python. so it looks like i'll have luck getting it t orun
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[12:33] <zaltekk> the main .py fails to import the other python files in the same directory, however, which doesn't make any sense from what i remember of python
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[12:41] <Axius> What packages one needs to send mail with mutt from slackware?
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[12:42] <Azeotrope> error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:42] <Azeotrope> why?
[12:43] <BP{k}> because it doesn't exist.
[12:44] <Azeotrope> and where do i get it from?
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[12:45] <BP{k}> probably from the libX11 package
[12:45] <adamk_> Did you do a full install of Slackware?  It should be included in one of the X11 packages.
[12:45] <adamk_> Yeah, libX11 sounds promising :-)
[12:45] <BP{k}> adamk_: I am going to guess with "he did not"
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[12:46] <BP{k}> Axius: mutt itself, probably packages that make sure you have a working internet connection and an editor
[12:46] <Azeotrope> BP{k}: i did
[12:46] <adamk_> Then there's something very screwed up with your system.
[12:47] <adamk_> Does /usr/lib/libX11.so exist?
[12:47] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: what does ls -l /var/log/packages/libX11* show?
[12:47] <adamk_> Make that /usr/lib/libX11.so.6.
[12:47] <Azeotrope> no
[12:48] <Azeotrope> BP{k}: ls -l /var/log/packages/libX11*
[12:48] <Azeotrope> sorry
[12:48] <sahko> maybe you removed it along with the gazillion duplicates you had by mistake
[12:48] <Azeotrope> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 39425 May 27 12:18 /var/log/packages/libX11-1.3.3-x86_64-1
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[12:48] <Azeotrope> sahko: i did a fresh instal
[12:48] <Azeotrope> install
[12:48] <sahko> which app are you installing?
[12:49] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: so /usr/lib64/libX11.so.6 does exist?
[12:49] <Azeotrope> yea
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[12:50] <Azeotrope> but i think i need the 322bit one. the app is 32bit
[12:50] <stu_> heys, does anyone else have this issue with the 13.1 KDE taskbar being half black and half blue?
[12:50] <Azeotrope> stu_: me
[12:50] <stu_> Azeotrope, is it supposed to be like that?
[12:50] <Azeotrope> it also dissapears sometimes
[12:50] <adamk_> stu_, Did you make your system multilib?
[12:50] <stu_> adamk_, how do i do that?
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[12:50] <adamk_> Sorry, that was intended for Azeotrope  :-)
[12:50] <adamk_> Azeotrope, Did you make your system multilib? :-)
[12:50] <Azeotrope> adamk_: yea
[12:51] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: really you need to learn to ask proper questions, playing 20 questions with you is /very/ annoying.
[12:51] <adamk_> OK, well, clearly something went wrong :-)
[12:51] <stu_> i can't seem to find the settings to change my taskbar color/background
[12:51] <Azeotrope> adami must do it all over again?
[12:51] <Azeotrope> adamk_:
[12:51] <adamk_> Azeotrope, It's hard to say since none of us can really tell you what went wrong in the first place :-)
[12:52] <adamk_> But, yeah, I'd start by going through the multilib process again.
[12:52] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: try asking stuff like "Okay, I Am trying to install $APP which is a 32bit app, I Am on slackware $Version (with multilib, if applicable) etc etc .. the more information you give us, the better a chance we will help.
[12:52] <Azeotrope> BP{k}: ok. sorry
[12:52] <adamk_> stu_, systemsettings --> appearance --> style --> workspace.  You can change your plasma theme there.
[12:53] <stu_> adamk_, k sec
[12:53] <paul424> for i in 'kdeartwork-4.4.80.tar.bz2 '; do mv $i   "foobar"$i; done
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[12:53] <paul424> why that won't work
[12:53] <sahko> lol
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[12:54] <adamk_> What doesn't it do?
[12:54] <Azeotrope> So. I am trying to run a precompiled 32bit binary of Bitcoin on my multilib 13.1 Slackware. The binary executed fine on 13.0 multilib. This is the error I get: ./bitcoin: error while loading shared libraries: libX11.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[12:54] <stu_> adamk_, okay that seems to have done the trick, thanks
[12:54] <adamk_> stu_, No problem.
[12:54] <BP{k}> paul424: uhm that seams to be a bit overkill.
[12:55] <BP{k}> and I agree with adamk_, "what is it you are trying to do and what are you expecting it to do?"
[12:55] <adamk_> Yeah, all it should do is rename the package.  Which you could just do with 'mv kdeartwork-4.4.80.tar.bz2 foobarkdeartwork-4.4.80.tar.bz2'
[12:56] <paul424> BP{k}: taht an example theyr are much more files in the list ... uhh I am not such stupid
[12:56] <stu_> what methods do you guys use for shutdown because sometimes my WM boots up to settings i've had from a long long time ago, e.g: it doesn't save my last settings
[12:56] <BP{k}> paul424: you sure? Then state the question properly.
[12:56] Action: BP{k} goes and refills his coffee with a large shot of brandy.
[12:56] <adamk_> paul424, Well it's a bad example, then, because it does what it's supposed to do here.
[12:57] <stu_> btw i usually do a shutdown -h now from konsole in su
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[12:57] <adamk_> stu_, Make sure you log out of KDE if you've made changes to your plasma configuration or applets before you reboot or restart X.
[12:57] <adamk_> This is one of my gripes about KDE4.
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[12:58] <alisonken1home> stu_, that command (with -h now) typically means "flush the drives and kill everything" - iow, your de doesn't have a chance to save settings
[12:58] <stu_> adamk_, okay that sucks
[12:58] <stu_> alisonken1home, is there a way to save+shutdown in 1 step?
[12:58] <adamk_> Meh.  KDE4 could be smarter and write the configuration files as soon as you adjust your settings.
[12:58] <zaltekk> adamk_: would doing so allow me to stop the Guidance Power Manager to stop launching each time I log in?
[12:58] <alisonken1home> stu_, yes -  use the menu -> shutdown option
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[12:58] <adamk_> zaltekk, No idea, really.
[12:59] <stu_> alisonken1home, i only see logout though
[12:59] <alisonken1home> stu_, or logout before doing that
[12:59] <zaltekk> adamk_: hmm, okay. it is really annoying because Power Devil also runs. the guidance power manager messes up my laptop settings if i don't close it each time i log in
[12:59] <alisonken1home> logout should pop up a second menu for other options, like "change user, shutdown, restart"
[12:59] <stu_> k cool.
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[13:00] <alisonken1home> stu_, you're using kde, correct?
[13:01] <stu_> alisonken1home, yup. is there a 'windows key' equivalent to bring up the menu because i'm too lazy to use the mouse to bring it up to shut KDE down
[13:02] <stu_> i'm too reliant on alt F2
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[13:02] <zaltekk> alt+f1 is the default
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[13:02] <stu_> sweet, thanks
[13:02] Action: thrice` changes alt+f2 -> alt+spacebar :>
[13:02] <pi31415> Know where I can find some documentation for KMS?
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[13:04] <adamk_> pi31415, The only documentation I'm really aware of is this https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KernelModesetting but it doesn't list the kernel options.
[13:04] <NthDegree> someone looking to turn off nouveau's modesetting? :D
[13:05] <alisonken1home> NthDegree, intel, not nvidia
[13:05] <thrice`> you can't disable it for intel
[13:05] <NthDegree> ah..
[13:05] <NthDegree> hmm
[13:05] <adamk_> Yeah, we've been over that this morning.
[13:05] <adamk_> A few times.
[13:05] <NthDegree> that may be a problem
[13:05] <adamk_> I think pi31415 just wants to see what kernel options are available.
[13:05] <pi31415> i can't get to 640x480 mode, so i am looking to hit some docs
[13:06] <NthDegree> try intel.modeset=0
[13:06] <NthDegree> just as an idea
[13:06] <stu_> eh isn't shortcut configuration (alt+f1 stuff) supposed to be in system settings > keyboard & mouse?
[13:06] <NthDegree> that works in fedora IIRC
[13:06] <adamk_> pi31415, How did you try to get 640x480?
[13:06] <NthDegree> assuming it's not some bastard patch, should work here too in theory
[13:07] <thrice`> NthDegree, what part of 'X will not work without modesetting enabled' wasn't clear? :)
[13:07] <pi31415> adamk_: i tried lilo parameters and fbset
[13:07] <NthDegree> thrice`, O_O ouch
[13:07] <thrice`> not ouch
[13:07] <adamk_> pi31415, What parameters, though?
[13:08] <pi31415> I tried fbset -s 640x480-60
[13:08] <adamk_> fbset won't work.
[13:08] <adamk_> I told you what kernel option to use to get 640x480.
[13:08] <adamk_> But what kernel option did you try?
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[13:09] <pi31415> so far i have tried video=inteldrmfb:mode=640x480, video=intelfb:mode=640x480, and video=VGA-1:640x40
[13:09] <pi31415> s/40/480/
[13:09] <pi31415> i forgot which parameter you told me to try
[13:10] <adamk_> And I said to use video=640x480
[13:10] <pi31415> thank you for the reminder, i will try that now
[13:10] <adamk_> IF that doesn't work, then I can only guess that you are somehow not using KMS.
[13:10] <Azeotrope> adamk_: I rebuilt and installed the 32bit libs and i get the same error
[13:11] <adamk_> Azeotrope, Does /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 exist now?
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[13:12] <Azeotrope> adamk_: no
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[13:12] <pi31415> adamk, that parameter gives me 80x25 but i still have a slower console
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[13:13] <adamk_> Azeotrope, Are there any /usr/lib/libX11.so* files?
[13:13] <adamk_> pi31415, OK, so it gives the right resolution, but it's slower.
[13:13] <pi31415> yes
[13:13] <adamk_> I'm not sure there's much that can be donea bout that.
[13:13] <adamk_> Other than to complain to the intel DRI driver developers.
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[13:13] <pi31415> i can live with it
[13:14] <pi31415> i get what i pay for =)
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[13:14] <indubitableness> any news on the slackware package browser?
[13:15] <raela> indubitableness: it's been down for months.. I haven't heard anything about itcoming up any time soon
[13:15] <indubitableness> k
[13:15] <raela> indubitableness: best bet is to browse the packages in the source tree
[13:15] <raela> maybe grep the package list
[13:16] <indubitableness> I've just been going to the repos and picking out stuff I need
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[13:16] <BP{k}> or use http://packages.slackverse.org/
[13:16] <indubitableness> thanks
[13:16] <Azeotrope> seems that in Slackware 13.1 there is *NO* libX11 !!!
[13:16] <mancha> Azeotrope bullshit
[13:16] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: *WRONG*
[13:16] <adamk_> Heh.
[13:16] <mancha> X will not run without libX11 (one of its more basic libs)
[13:16] <Azeotrope> i searched the x directory
[13:16] <indubitableness> oh excellent
[13:16] <indubitableness> this is perfect
[13:17] <alisonken1home> however - since you're trying to run a 32-bit app in a 64-bit o/s, did you miss a step for the multilib?
[13:17] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: yeah well, it's rather wel known in this channel you are frigtening short of clue.
[13:17] <Azeotrope> alisonken1home: no. for sure
[13:17] <raela> BP{k}: okay you just made me laugh out loud.. haha
[13:17] <Azeotrope> BP{k}: huh?
[13:17] <pi31415> ben@blueleader:~$ grep libX11.so /var/adm/packages/*
[13:17] <pi31415> /var/adm/packages/libX11-1.3.3-i486-1:usr/lib/libX11.so.6.3.0
[13:18] <adamk_> Azeotrope, If there's no /usr/lib/libX11.so* files, then you screwed something up.
[13:18] <BP{k}> raela: you're very welcome dear.
[13:18] <BP{k}> ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.1/slackware64/x/libX11-1.3.3-x86_64-1.txz
[13:18] <stu_> hm.. does anyone here own an MSI N9500GT graphic card?
[13:19] <Azeotrope> Can I take the package from the 32bit slack?
[13:19] <adamk_> Azeotrope, You should have started with a 32bit package, and used the scripts provided by AlienBOB to make it multilib.
[13:20] <indubitableness> yeah but then you run the conversion script
[13:20] <indubitableness> what's it called?
[13:20] <indubitableness> I only ever need to use it when I'm setting up a new install
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[13:20] <indubitableness> always gotta check the wiki
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[13:20] <Azeotrope> adamk_: i did so. i took the 32bit packs and made them multilib
[13:20] <BP{k}> convertpkg-compat32 || massconvert32.sh
[13:20] <indubitableness> yeah
[13:20] <indubitableness> thanks
[13:20] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: then you did something wrong ...
[13:21] <adamk_> Azeotrope, No offense, but you didn't do it right.
[13:21] <Azeotrope> BP{k}: what about slackware 13.1 32bit? i can't see libX11
[13:21] <indubitableness> I've screwed up the multilib myself a couple times
[13:21] <indubitableness> it's not too hard to do
[13:21] <raela> Azeotrope: maybe you'd be better off just on 32 bit slack..
[13:21] <indubitableness> just had to start over
[13:21] <Azeotrope> no. i don't want to reinstall
[13:21] <indubitableness> if you got your /home partition separate it's not too bad
[13:22] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: it is there. WHat ever you think you see or don't see, YDIW
[13:22] <indubitableness> otherwise it's a huge pain in the ass
[13:22] <BP{k}> michiel@hades:~$ ls /var/log/packages/libX11*
[13:22] <BP{k}> /var/log/packages/libX11-1.3.3-x86_64-1
[13:22] <BP{k}> /var/log/packages/libX11-compat32-1.3.3-x86_64-1
[13:22] <indubitableness> Man I am too sleepy
[13:22] <indubitableness> got work to do
[13:23] <raela> /var/log/packages/libX11-1.3.3-i486-1
[13:23] <Azeotrope> BP{k}: i'm talking about the x directory
[13:23] <indubitableness> what /etx/X11?
[13:23] <indubitableness> etc^
[13:23] <raela> obviously it's there or I wouldn't have it..
[13:23] <BP{k}> ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/x/libX11-1.3.3-i486-1.txz
[13:24] <Azeotrope> what if i show you a mirror that doesn't have it?
[13:24] <Azeotrope> ftp://ftp.evolva.ro/linux/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware/x/
[13:24] <Azeotrope> look
[13:24] <adamk_> So what?
[13:24] <raela> so use another mirror
[13:24] <adamk_> Not all mirrors are necessarily up-to-date.
[13:24] <adamk_> Use one that is.
[13:24] <adamk_> This is not difficult to understand.
[13:24] <raela> check the packages list or the slackware.com one to verify it exists..
[13:24] <Azeotrope> so fucking what?? it gave me headaches
[13:24] <adamk_> And I'm pretty sure you're giving all of us headaches.
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[13:25] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: "a mirror that doesn't got that package" != "SLackware does not have it">
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[13:25] <raela> Azeotrope: then maybe you should have thought to look at another mirror sooner.. critical thinking/problem solving skills..
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[13:26] <BP{k}> raela: *Snigger*
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[13:26] <Azeotrope> don't have any of those skill. i'm neanderthalian.
[13:26] <indubitableness> what do you see when you do "ls /usr/lib/ | grep X11"
[13:26] <indubitableness> ?
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[13:26] <Azeotrope> i see dead ppl
[13:26] <raela> BP{k}: I know I know.. I'm too much of an optimist sometimes.. :P
[13:26] <BP{k}> Azeotrope: so do we .. and mainly .. it's you.
[13:27] <Azeotrope> you have somthing personally against me
[13:27] <Azeotrope> personal
[13:27] <indubitableness> I icewm as my window manager and I don't install any desktop environments, is it worth it for me to upgrade to 13.1?
[13:27] <raela> learn to think.. might get you more respect
[13:28] <indubitableness> I'm setting up my desktop from scratch and I'm about to reinstall slackware but I was gonna stick with 13.0 for now
[13:28] <raela> indubitableness: err.. upgrading has more to do with things than just the GUI
[13:28] <indubitableness> well I know but the biggest changes seemed to be about GUI stuff
[13:28] <indubitableness> at least that I read
[13:28] <indubitableness> and updated packages of course
[13:29] <sahko> if 13.0 works for you why change?
[13:29] <phrag> read the changelog and release notes, mroe than just WM improvements
[13:29] <indubitableness> That's what I was thinking too sahko
[13:29] <pi31415> I don't like that epic5 removed the /leave command
[13:29] <indubitableness> k thanks
[13:29] <BP{k}> sahko: "ZOMGNEWSHINYVERSION" syndrome?
[13:29] <sahko> its not like its not supported anymore
[13:29] <sahko> BP{k}: well yeah until he gets that theres no need to change
[13:29] <raela> sahko: duh, new things are shiny things, and shiny things are awesome
[13:30] <indubitableness> yeah sometimes updating stuff just breaks stuff
[13:30] <sahko> well, at least theres no urge to do it now
[13:30] <indubitableness> especially with those friggen dependency checking distros
[13:30] <indubitableness> drives me nuts
[13:30] <indubitableness> slackware for the win
[13:31] Action: phrag enjoys evolution
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[13:31] <sahko> raela: occasionally  shiny new things break the stability of your system and quite possibly cant be handled by your aging hardware though :p
[13:31] <paul424> is the cmake faster than the make system I have a strange feeling ...
[13:31] <raela> sahko: bah.. people say that, but then others complain when you use software that hasn't been updated in years.. sup with that :P
[13:31] <indubitableness> exactly sahko
[13:31] Action: sahko isnt thee optimist type. also dislikes fancy stuff that dont work
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[13:32] <raela> like: Version 0.95 - Sunday, 26 August 2001
[13:32] <indubitableness> I like the balance of lightweight and robust that slackware brings to the table
[13:32] <indubitableness> and stable
[13:32] <indubitableness> it's got everything I need and gives me the tools to get anything I might want
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[13:33] <indubitableness> doesn't get in your way
[13:33] <indubitableness> doesn't make presumptions about how to do things
[13:33] <whiskas> Hi, after upgrading to slackware 13.1, a dialog box with the following error comes up, when plugging in a usb drive: "Failed to mount "/> </td>". Cannot get volume.fstype.alternative."
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[13:34] <pi31415> i like that slackware does a better than average job of avoiding local patches
[13:34] <indubitableness> amen to that
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[13:35] <twoshot_> mancha, problem fixed. I hadn't upgraded the xap directory, so my xfce wasn't updated. Thanks.
[13:35] <pi31415> I generally cannot blame slackware when things go wrong
[13:35] <indubitableness> right it's usually a problem between the keyboard and the chair
[13:35] <indubitableness> usually
[13:35] <adaptr> I followed the upgrade.txt to the letter. utter fail. re-install
[13:36] <indubitableness> I've had a couple odd things happen that I couldn't figure out
[13:36] <pi31415> or with the kernel developers dropping old subsystems before the new subsystems are ready
[13:36] <raela> adaptr: I followed it the other day with 0 issues
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[13:36] <indubitableness> but they may have been my fault
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[13:36] <raela> adaptr: well, I did have the sound thing, but that was in changes and hints, then my graphics drivers needed a patch, but that was ati's fault
[13:36] <pi31415> (says a person who never uses 3D video acceleration)
[13:36] <indubitableness> whiskas can you mount it from the command line?
[13:36] <indubitableness> oh man
[13:36] <indubitableness> ATI
[13:36] <indubitableness> I can't stand trying to use ATI
[13:36] <raela> pi31415: really?! I can't stand -not- having it.. it didn't work for 2 days and drove me nuts
[13:37] Action: adamk_ only uses ATI.
[13:37] <whiskas> indubitableness, yes
[13:37] <adamk_> Well, aside from this one intel laptop.
[13:37] <alisonken1home> ati on my office machine sucks
[13:37] <pi31415> raela: what would I need 3D for?
[13:37] <raela> well, I didn't have 3d acceleration for the first year and a half on my laptop, but now that it does work..
[13:37] <adamk_> The intel DRI developers are the worst at breaking backwards compatibility, though.
[13:37] <alisonken1home> but then again, it's a dell from a few years ago that has the lha bug in the cpu as well
[13:37] <Axius> How can set mutt to send emails on slackware? Any link or suggestion is wellcome.
[13:38] <raela> pi31415: so no direct rendering? scrolling sucks (forget maximizing firefox and scrolling.. it's too slow/awful to use), changing workspaces, watching video files.. had to set it to drop frames
[13:38] Action: shadowsun also only uses ATI.
[13:38] <Axius> How can I set mutt to send emails on slackware? Any link or suggestion is wellcome.
[13:38] <pi31415> scrolling is a 2D operation, not 3D
[13:38] <adamk_> pi31415, The distinction between 2D and 3D is going away.
[13:38] <pi31415> Xfree86 had 2D acceleration since the beginning
[13:38] <adamk_> pi31415, Fast :-)
[13:38] <raela> pi31415: there is a noticeable difference in scrolling in firefox between direct rendering enabled and off
[13:38] <sahko> Axius: google.com
[13:38] <sahko> :)
[13:38] <adamk_> Most 2D operations are performed using the 3D engine on the GPU these days.
[13:38] <indubitableness> whiskas is the filesystem in your fstab?
[13:38] <whiskas> indubitableness, no
[13:39] <indubitableness> which Desktop Environment are you using?
[13:39] <raela> adamk_: my intel laptop worked out of the box with direct rendering.. haven't had an issue yet
[13:39] <zaltekk> it is nearly impossible to use firefox on my laptop without direct rendering. 1920x1200 isn't friendly without acceleration
[13:39] <whiskas> indubitableness, xfce
[13:39] <indubitableness> I have a feeling the DE is trying to mount it automatically and it doesn't have permission
[13:39] <adamk_> raela, Try disabling KMS, if you don't like it :-)
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[13:39] <whiskas> indubitableness, yes, it seems like it
[13:39] <indubitableness> try adding it to your fstab
[13:39] <adamk_> raela, Then X will only work with the vesa driver.
[13:39] <pi31415> adamk: i pine for my ET4000
[13:39] <raela> zaltekk: I couldn't maximize to 1440x900 without it.. keeping it windowed was pretty crap
[13:39] <adamk_> That's a significant breakage of backwards compatibility.
[13:39] <indubitableness> I'm not too familiar with house DE's do stuff like that
[13:39] <indubitableness> I just use a window manager
[13:40] <raela> adamk_: I haven't upgraded that one to 13.1 yet.. will do it today or tomorrow. but ahh.. yeah that doesn't sound good
[13:40] <whiskas> indubitableness, it wasn't there before, when running slack 13.0, and then it worked fine. the user is member of plugdev. I'll do as you say and try adding it to fstab
[13:40] <indubitableness> house = how
[13:40] <stuart_> hm where do i change the settings so that each desktop has their own taskbar again, instead of all programs on all desktops on 1 taskbar
[13:40] <raela> stuart_: er you need to say which wm
[13:40] <pi31415> adamk: that is interesting to learn that the distinction between 2D and 3D acceleration is disappearing
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[13:40] <stuart_> KDE
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[13:40] <whiskas> indubitableness, ok, I think it's quite handy with automount, though
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[13:40] <zaltekk> stuart_: right click in the task manager bar, select settings, and look at the filters
[13:41] <zaltekk> only show from current desktop/screen/etc
[13:41] <adamk_> pi31415, I'm not sure how true that is for the intel drivers, honestly, but you can't get 2D acceleration on newer AMD GPUs (or nvidia GPUs) without direct rendering enabled in the Xserver, because the 2D commands have to pass through the 3D engine.
[13:41] <indubitableness> I think that was one of the chapters of my linux book I only skimmed
[13:41] <indubitableness> when we were talking about automount
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[13:41] <indubitableness> I need to go through and thoroughly read it
[13:41] <raela> I think in my upgrade from slack 12.2 to 12.2-current-rc2 had a major improvement in 2D acceleration.. scrolling was much better and videos were easier to watch.. but it still wasn't great
[13:41] <indubitableness> but summer vacation equals a lazy fatass of an indubitableness
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[13:42] <pi31415> i remember trying vesafb when it was first came out.. an that hardware, scrolling in netscape would produce noticable audio glitches in vesafb but not using the normal video driver
[13:42] <whiskas> heh
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[13:42] <raela> well, maybe not 2D acceleration.. I don't know enough about it myself. it performed almost as well as my laptop that had direct rendering, without actually having it enabled
[13:42] <indubitableness> I got the slackware book and it's like a condensed version of the text book we used in class
[13:42] <indubitableness> I was very happy with it
[13:42] <indubitableness> got me a slackware hat too
[13:42] <indubitableness> nice friggen hat
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[13:43] <whiskas> lol
[13:43] <paul424> if I have  the dependency which I want the cmake to drop
[13:43] <raela> I have the black tshirt.. it's awesome
[13:43] <indubitableness> yeah that's what I need next
[13:43] <indubitableness> Get all decked out
[13:43] <paul424> uhh the best would be that it would drop all dependencies and just build the package ./.. what option./ command to use /
[13:43] <pi31415> my wife got me a "Chicks dig Unix" t-shirt once for my birthday =)
[13:44] <indubitableness> hah!
[13:44] <indubitableness> cool
[13:44] <sahko> paul424: http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
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[13:44] <pi31415> I wore it to work but I did not get as much of a reaction as expected
[13:44] <indubitableness> I need to either get up and clean
[13:44] <indubitableness> or start working on my system
[13:44] <indubitableness> and stop redditing
[13:44] <indubitableness> but I need more coffee
[13:44] <indubitableness> which again
[13:44] <indubitableness> I need to stand for
[13:45] <paul424> sahko: I have the cmake script which first checks for some library and then stops ... I don't do the dependency checking ,w what to do ?
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[13:45] <Azeotrope> now i have another error: ./bitcoin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXi.so.6: undefined symbol: XESetWireToEventCookie
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[13:47] <_slax0r_> Hi, I've just started blocking output traffic on my slack-based router, and can't connect to outside FTP servers again, I think I know why, I need some iptables module/option turned on, but I forgot its name...anyone know what I'm yabbin about? :)
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[13:48] <sahko> paul424: paste the output to a pastebin
[13:48] <sahko> i hope you paste the part you're supposed to
[13:50] <alisonken1home> _slax0r_, would it be the masq option as well as allow outbound connections option?
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[13:50] <NthDegree> whoops :$
[13:51] <indubitableness> Awwww look at these adorable faces. http://i.imgur.com/cyHI1.jpg
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[13:51] <paul424> sahko: http://pastebin.com/9GCF6UAm
[13:51] <_slax0r_> alisonken1home: who knows...as it seems opening port 20 and 21 isn't enough for output
[13:51] <NthDegree> alienBlurb / alienBOB:  Thanks for the multilib stuff :D
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[13:52] <sahko> #
[13:52] <sahko> ERROR: the installed kdelibs version 4.4.3 is too old, at least version
[13:52] <sahko> # 4.4.80 is required
[13:52] <sahko> does that ring a bell?
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[13:52] <alisonken1home> _slax0r_, unless you have a set of static IP's that are public, you have to masq all outbound connections, then enable connection tracking to get stuff back
[13:53] <indubitableness> Last time I thanked alienBOB for the multilib stuff NthDegree he yelled at me
[13:53] <indubitableness> threatened to ban me
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[13:53] <NthDegree> >_>
[13:53] <indubitableness> yeah it was weird
[13:54] <sahko> paul424: if you want to build kde you have to install the packages as you build them cause later ones depend on the previous ones
[13:54] <NthDegree> well he is a slacker... lol
[13:54] <sahko> at least until some point
[13:54] <indubitableness> alright I gotta get out of here before I suddenly find that five hours have passed
[13:54] <indubitableness> thanks for the help guys!
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[13:54] <_slax0r_> alisonken1home: I know that...but I can connect to the FTP server, cd around it, but when I issue a PORT command, like ls on FTP, the connection times out, either from the local network or from the router it self
[13:54] <paul424> sahko: ohh really :P ?
[13:54] <_slax0r_> so it's not masquerading, if it would be it would work from the router, wouldn't it?
[13:55] <paul424> but come one the order of which I install and build thjem should be arbitrary , does not it ?
[13:55] <paul424> does it not :P
[13:55] <sahko> your sentence doesnt make any sense, at least to me
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[13:55] <_slax0r_> popped into my mind
[13:55] <alisonken1home> _slax0r_, yes, there's also the options for allowing related connections back
[13:56] <_slax0r_> this is what I was looking for: ip_conntrack_ftp
[13:58] <paul424> sahko: you mean I cannot build them all first and then install >?
[13:58] <sahko> you cant
[13:59] <ovnicraft> hi folks, i am tryin to use python-uno from Ooo SB pkg, so the libpython is 2.6.1 and python is 2.6.2 anyone has put python-uno in pythonpath?
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[14:00] <pi31415> adamk, thank you for helping me w/kms earlier
[14:00] <adamk_> pi31415, No problem.
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[14:20] <_slax0r_> anyone have a precompiled openldap-client package with enable slapd and slurpd? I just tried recompiling Pats source using Pats SlackBuild script and I get an error
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[14:33] <Cool_C> hello! i've recently upgraded to slckware 13.1 (from .0) and all is working fine, except for my serial wacom tablet which mysteriously stopped working. anyone can help?
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[14:35] <alisonken1home> Cool_C, do you have an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file setup?
[14:35] <Cool_C> yes, same as i used before the upgrade
[14:35] <alisonken1home> otherwise, you may need to look at finding the wacomm tablet hal/udev file for it
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[14:38] <Cool_C> doesnt look like i have any udev rules for it, but i didn't need that before the upgrade
[14:38] Nick change: BsdNeo_ -> BsdNeo
[14:39] <alisonken1home> udev/hal  fddi files are so you don't need to use an xorg.conf file
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[14:39] <alisonken1home> if you use xorg.conf, then you're telling X about what you have rather than letting the autofind features of udev find your setup
[14:39] <adamk_> If you're using the same xorg.conf file, it would pick up the same settings you had in Slackware 13.0.
[14:39] <adamk_> You might want to check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what it says.
[14:40] <pi31415> heh, downloading the adobe reader 9.3.2 .tar.bz2 distribution and i notice it is nearly 60 megabytes.
[14:40] <pi31415> they should call it adobe MCP
[14:40] <alisonken1home> yeah - adobe is a pig
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[14:41] <sahko> use opensource tools instead. is there anything this does you cant do with other tools?
[14:41] <Cool_C> adamk_: already checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log - the only thing it says is following;
[14:41] <Cool_C> (WW) stylus: Waited too long for answer (failed after 3 tries).
[14:41] <Cool_C> (II) stylus: serial tablet id 0x90.
[14:41] Channel flood from Cool_C -- kicking
[14:41] <Cool_C> (EE) Couldn't init device "stylus"
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[14:42] <_slax0r_> pastebin it
[14:42] <Cool_C> damn sensitive flood protection.. was only three lines...
[14:42] <sahko> slackboy detected 4
[14:42] <alisonken1home> I see four as well
[14:43] <alisonken1home> five if you count the first line as being split
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[14:43] <mancha> i saw 3.2 lines
[14:44] <Cool_C> regardless of the lines..  any reason for the error? the serial port seem to be working fine and the wacom module is intalled (incluided in default install)
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[14:44] <pi31415> sahko: yes, read documentation from certain vendors
[14:45] <sahko> in pdf form?
[14:45] <pi31415> sahko: I've begun to get PDF files that are actually containers for a collection of other PDF files
[14:45] <pi31415> sahko: adobe can read them
[14:45] <sahko> and poppler cant?
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[14:45] <pi31415> at the time I tried okular and xpdf
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[14:46] <adamk_> I work for a printing and prepress company.  We regularly get PDFs that can only be viewed properly in Adobe Reader.
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[14:46] <sahko> yeah poppler is the libs extracted from xpdf, used by most linux readers incl. okular, epdfview etc
[14:46] <sahko> weird though
[14:46] <adamk_> Colors will be wrong, text won't flow right.
[14:49] <bitlord> Cool_C, maybe if you defined what is input for that in xorg.conf, you can compare it, by reading from xorg.conf and checking with cat /proc/bus/input/devices
[14:49] <Cool_C> it
[14:49] <Cool_C> crap, it's defined as ttyS0
[14:50] <Cool_C> strangely enough i cannot see the tablet in /proc/bus/input/devices
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[14:52] <bitlord> Cool_C, I don't know then, I have some hobby tablet, but it's on USB and it is in /proc/bus/input/devices :(
[14:53] <Cool_C> if i had some more cash i would just buy a new usb widescreen-format tablet, but alas :/
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[14:53] <Cool_C> thanks for trying anyway :)
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[14:55] <Cool_C> a completelty different minor issue; kmix seem to pop up at every boot /startx even though it's configured not to. any fix?
[14:55] <evanton> with normal swap I was doing "swapoff -a; swapon -a" to clean the swap. Would this work if my swap is encrypted?
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[15:01] <alisonken1home> evanton, what do you mean by "clean"? swapoff just turns swap off, then swapon enables your swap partitions again
[15:01] <alisonken1home> encrypted swap partitions aren't an issue with that
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[15:03] <evanton> alisonken1home: clean as in "plain, not encrypted". I've encrypted my swap in 13.1, as the official docs suggest
[15:04] <alisonken1home> ok - then swapoff, then make sure your swap setup doesn't encrypt the swap partition
[15:04] <Delahunt> suggest? you mean as the available instructions show you
[15:05] <evanton> Delahunt: I've followed instructions from README_CRYPT.TXT
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[15:05] <Delahunt> yes but suggestion implies everyone is recommended to do it.  README_CRYPT.TXT is only there for those who want to
[15:05] <Delahunt> it's not "suggested" we all encrypt
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[15:05] <evanton> it works fine, I'm just getting nervous when I see stuff being swapped while I have available RAM
[15:05] <Delahunt> (though i don't think it would be bad either)
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[15:06] <Delahunt> yeah alienBOB wrote README_CRYPT.TXT, it's a great document, i use it too
[15:06] <evanton> Delahunt: suggested as in "how to do it the slackware way"
[15:06] <pi31415> after the upgrade to 13.1 i can no longer mount my encrypted disk image
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[15:06] <Delahunt> pi31415, in Xfce?
[15:06] <adaptr> evanton: "stuff" will be swapped based on various factors. lack of memory is one
[15:06] <evanton> I don't know, maybe I shall try playing with the swappiness setting.
[15:06] <evanton> adaptr: I do have free RAM
[15:06] <Delahunt> evanton, are you trying to get it not to use swap?
[15:06] <pi31415> Delahunt: no.. using losetup and cryptsetup
[15:06] <adaptr> if you don't want the kernel to swap running applications, set swappiness to 0
[15:06] <pi31415> Delahunt: does xfce do encryption too?
[15:07] <Delahunt> it can but it's more of a graphical interface
[15:07] <Delahunt> just asking because in 13.1 Xfce has LUKS unlock issues
[15:07] <evanton> Delahunt: I'm trying to force the system to push everything from swap to RAM. before going with encrypted swap I was doing it like "swapoff -a; swapon -a". Now I asked if I can do the same
[15:07] <Delahunt> in 13.1 cryptsetup should work fine
[15:07] <Delahunt> evanton, but why are you doing that?
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[15:08] <evanton> Delahunt: because I open a program, then it stays open for a couple of hours, when I switch to it, the system starts reading stuff from swap
[15:08] <adaptr> evanton: if you're not using swap, why encrypt it
[15:08] <Delahunt> evanton, what program?
[15:08] <evanton> adaptr: ocasionally some swap is used
[15:09] <evanton> Delahunt: a pyqt GUI app
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[15:09] <Delahunt> python + qt = going to use a lot of memory so get used to it
[15:09] <pi31415> Delahunt: I type "cryptsetup create loop0 /dev/loop0", type in my password, and then try to mount /dev/mapper/loop0, but mount errors "wrong fs type" as if I had entered the wrong password
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[15:09] <Delahunt> if you really want your system not to use swap, shut it off (and watch your programs crash)
[15:09] <Delahunt> pi31415, oh is this cryptoloop?
[15:09] <evanton> Delahunt: what about playing with swappiness?
[15:10] <Delahunt> pi31415, that's not how you open them, that's how you create them
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[15:10] <pi31415> EXT4-fs (dm-0): bad geometry: block count 4161570946 exceeds size of device (524288 blocks)
[15:10] <Delahunt> pi31415, normal cryptoloop or LUKS?
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[15:10] <Delahunt> with LUKS the pattern is cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdaX LABEL && mount /dev/mapper/LABEL /mnt/somewhere
[15:11] <Delahunt> (assuming it was already created)
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[15:11] <pi31415> Delahunt: how do you open them?
[15:11] <Delahunt> otherwise you still have to cryptsetup open /dev/whatever LABEL && mount /dev/mapper/LABEL
[15:11] <pi31415> this is cryptoloop
[15:11] <pi31415> open results in cryptsetup: unknown action
[15:12] <Delahunt> i thought i heard something somewhere about cryptoloop being depreciated and no longer supported or something
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[15:12] <Delahunt> but still if you've been running cryptsetup create i would think you just hosed your encrypted stuff
[15:12] <Delahunt> hold on let me double-check the man page
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[15:13] <Delahunt> wait, /dev/loop0 ?
[15:13] <Delahunt> what exactly are you mounting or trying to open?
[15:14] <adaptr> you don't need that, just mount with -o loop
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[15:16] Action: Delahunt is only familiar with LUKS.  cryptoloop (again) was said to be weak / depreciated / has security vulnerabilities / is ugly / whatever
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[15:19] <dustybin> am i right in thinking that a old IBM P3 Netvista will not be able to handle high frame buffer resolutions
[15:19] <dustybin> using internal gfx
[15:19] <adamk_> dustybin, All depends on the GPU.
[15:19] <Delahunt> depends on the internal graphics card, but you're probably right
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[15:24] <ovnicraft> hi folks, the Ooo pkg was built with compatible with python pkg?
[15:25] <rg3> ovnicraft: which packages? from slackbuilds.org?
[15:26] <ovnicraft> rg3, yes i want to know it will compile with ucs2 or 4
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[15:27] <Delahunt> Robby Workman's repository - http://rlworkman.net/pkgs/
[15:27] <Delahunt> just go get the package there, it works on 13.1 and 13.0
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[15:27] <Delahunt> but as for python i have no clue if it has it or not (hold on let me get the info)
[15:27] <Axius> I get  this error while sending a msg  with mutt :Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.). Does anyone have an idea?
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[15:30] <rg3> ovnicraft: as far I know, the slackbuild script will only repackage the official rpms, so you could find out
[15:30] <rg3> as far as*
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[15:32] <rg3> Axius: mutt sends mail running a command (sendmail by default) and passing the mail message to its standard input, Exec error probably means sendmail, or the program you have told it to use if any, could not be run
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[15:32] <ovnicraft> i'll review, the questions is in S64 13.0 python pkg was compiled with ucs-2 and Ooo from SB too but i have an error trying to use python-uno with default python system
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[15:32] <ovnicraft> rg3, BTW thanks
[15:33] <rg3> ovnicraft: you're welcome, i'm sorry i can't give you a specific answer
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[15:33] <rg3> ovnicraft: but maybe the 64-bit package is really compiled instead of repackaged, i don't remember
[15:35] <ovnicraft> rg3, i am reading the openoffice.org.SlackBuild, the description in the site says build an slack pkg fro mthe binary distribution
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[15:38] <adrien> openoffice takes really long to compile afaik
[15:38] <adrien> *really*
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[15:44] <Axius> I get this error while trying to send a message: error:Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.).
[15:45] <adaptr> Axius: why don't you respond to the answers you have already received ?
[15:46] <pi31415> Delahunt: I was mounting /dev/mapper/loop0
[15:46] <pi31415> Delahunt: I opened it with "cryptsetup create" frequently in slackware 13.0
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[15:47] <pi31415> Delahunt: I am more than willing to move to luks, but it would be nice to open my existing disk image in the meanwhile
[15:47] <Axius> adaptr: I had to reboot my system. What respond?
[15:47] <adaptr> [21:30:10] <rg3> Axius: mutt sends mail running a command (sendmail by default) and passing the mail message to its standard input, Exec error probably means sendmail, or the program you have told it to use if any, could not be run
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[15:48] <Delahunt> pi31415, well i'm not familiar with "normal" cryptsetup, only LUKS, sorry
[15:48] <Delahunt> i don't know why it does not work
[15:49] <Axius> adaptr: I dont use sendmail. I use msmtp.
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[15:51] <Axius> adaptr: I can send mail useing msmtp like this :echo hi | msmtp username@gmail.com but not from mutt.
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[15:51] <Axius> becaues I get that error.
[15:52] <troy> anyone know what the post 13.1 plans are for current?
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[15:53] <alisonken1home> yes - continue like the -current ->13.0 -> current did :)
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[15:54] <adaptr> Axius: has this ever worked before ?
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[15:56] <Axius> adaptr: I've started to use mutt only today.
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[16:04] Action: SmartOne is aliens are still over here?We need this channel out of aliens.
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[16:05] <macavity> evening chan :-)
[16:05] <paul424> I try just to build the neweset kde 4.5 with cmake
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[16:05] <paul424> I get http://pastebin.org/290721 when building with cmake kdelibs ... what does does not match ?
[16:06] <Azeotrope> i put in lilo.conf "vga = 790" and did a su lilo -v but i still have the only-text, low res console
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[16:07] <neonflux> paul424: not sure, but did you create a 'build' directory first before running cmake?
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[16:08] <adamk_> Azeotrope, Where did you get the 790 from?
[16:08] <paul424> no
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[16:08] <neonflux> sometimes cmake will complain if your build directory is the same as your source directory
[16:09] <Azeotrope> adamk_: from lilo.conf, VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x32k
[16:09] <pi31415> Delahunt, the -v and --debug parameters aren't enlightening either, i may have to give up
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[16:09] <adamk_> Azeotrope, Is this your own kernel or the slack one?
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[16:09] <neonflux> paul424: something like-> mkdir build; cd build; cmake ..
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[16:10] <Azeotrope> adamk_: slacks
[16:10] <paul424> neonflux: can the build dir be a untarred direcotry with sources ?
[16:10] <macavity> that is, cmake ../srcdir/CMakeList.txt
[16:10] <adamk_> Hmm...  No idea, really.  You could try booting with vga=ask and then specifying a mode that way to see if it works.
[16:10] <paul424> uhh ok
[16:11] <Axius> Which group does one have to belong to send mail?
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[16:11] <neonflux> paul424: sometimes there is a build directory that comes with sources...but not always
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[16:14] <Axius> In which series can I find vi?
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[16:14] <NickArbitrary> Axius: a, i think
[16:15] <Axius> ok
[16:15] <macavity> Axius: Slackware has two versions of vi
[16:15] <macavity> Axius: elvis and VIM
[16:15] <NickArbitrary> Axius: called elvis...vim is in ap, i think
[16:15] <pi31415> hrm, I just extracted the 13.0 cryptsetup into another directory on 13.1 and with that I am able to mount the disk image
[16:15] <NickArbitrary> and i think xvim is in xap
[16:15] <macavity> Axius: i belive that elvis (the default vi) is in a and vim is in ap
[16:16] <trhodes> yes
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[16:17] <pi31415> from the cryptsetup 1.1.0 announcement:
[16:17] <pi31415>    * IMPORTANT: the default compiled-in cipher parameters changed
[16:17] <pi31415>    plain mode: aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 (default is backward incompatible!).
[16:18] <Axius> To which group has to belong a user to send mail on slackware?
[16:18] <sahko> none
[16:19] <SmartOne> eviljames: man are you there?
[16:21] <Urchlay> Axius: after installing vim, you probably want to do this: cd /usr/bin ; rm vi ; ln -s vim vi
[16:22] <Urchlay> (the existing /usr/bin/vi is a symlink to elvis, you probably will find you prefer vim to run when you type "vi filename")
[16:23] <Axius> Urchlay: I've installed vim before elvis.
[16:23] <Urchlay> that'll work too
[16:23] <alienBOB> pi31415: in Slackware 13.1 use "cryptsetup -c aes create ...." to re-open volumes you created before
[16:23] <alienBOB> And in future, switch to cryptsetup's luks functionality
[16:24] <pi31415> alienBOB, that worked for me, thanks!
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[16:25] <alienBOB> It's because of the incompatible change the developers made to the cryptsetup  source...
[16:26] <Axius> I get nasty error while trying to sent mail with mutt:"Error sending message, child exited 127 (Exec error.)." Does anyone found this error before?
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[16:28] <Delahunt> alienBOB, so the 13.1 problem is narrowed down to cryptsetup?
[16:29] <xsamurai> Axius: check your .muttrc
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[16:31] <Urchlay> what's mutt trying to exec, is the question. candidates are stuff like sendmail (you do have that installed?)
[16:32] <Urchlay> you could use strace to find out, if the docs don't tell you
[16:32] <Axius> Urchlay: yes, sendmail is installed.
[16:33] <xsamurai> most likely wrong sendmail path in muttrc
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[16:34] <Axius> xsamurai: I use msmtp instead of sendmail.
[16:34] <Urchlay> but you have sendmail installed, so mutt would use it by default I think
[16:35] <Urchlay> the default (from /etc/mutt/Muttrc) seems to be: # set sendmail="/usr/sbin/sendmail -oem -oi"
[16:36] <Urchlay> so "ls /usr/sbin/sendmail", if you get "no such file", there's the problem
[16:37] <Axius> Urchlay: I will will put that in my .muttrc file.
[16:37] <Urchlay> or, did you edit .muttrc (or Muttrc) to use msmtp instead? if so, you have to give the full path, e.g. /usr/bin/msmtp (no idea if that's where it lives on your system)
[16:38] <Urchlay> don't put it there blindly. Make sure the path is correct.
[16:39] <pi31415> i remember reading an interview with a bsd hacker who said he was fine with doing all of his work within parallels on Mac OS X
[16:40] <Urchlay> kernel hacker? he must not be doing device drivers much
[16:40] <pi31415> i can't imagine spending my time within a VM
[16:41] <antiwire> I put windows xp into a kvm so I can use ie
[16:41] <Axius> Urchlay: I can find in /usr/sbin/sendmail.
[16:41] <antiwire> and also for vpn clients
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[16:41] <pi31415> antiwire, that just sounds wrong <=)
[16:42] <antiwire> it's just the best option for things like Sonicwall and Cisco or Windows native VPN connections
[16:42] <pi31415> every packet comes in my hardware, to linux, to the windows vm, and back out to linux again
[16:42] <antiwire> I have no choice in what clients use
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[16:42] <antiwire> so I just find a solution for me
[16:42] <pi31415> i am not blaming you
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[16:43] <Urchlay> VMs are good for reverse engineering weird USB hardware: you get virtualbox running the windows driver for the hardware, then use tcpdump to capture the USB traffic to/from the device
[16:43] <antiwire> If I could make all that work in WINE, hell yes.
[16:43] <pi31415> let duct tape reign supreme, who needs standards anyway =)
[16:43] <pi31415> Urchlay, that sounds neat
[16:43] <slackytude|evil> performance in kvm should be good
[16:43] <antiwire> it's insane
[16:43] <slackytude|evil> lot of work done in regads to IO
[16:43] <Urchlay> pi31415: it *is* neat :)
[16:44] <slackytude|evil> how are graphics?
[16:44] <pi31415> slackytude, so long as you buy a version of windows that is allowed to run in a vm
[16:44] <slackytude|evil> got opengl?
[16:44] <slackytude|evil> pi31415, meh
[16:44] <antiwire> I give the VM 1GB of ram and XP runs at nearly native speeds. Graphics are just normal generic drivers. no hw accel
[16:44] <Urchlay> apparently, closed-source virtualbox has opengl, not tried it though
[16:44] <slackytude|evil> Urchlay, it has
[16:44] <slackytude|evil> quite good, too
[16:44] <Urchlay> (you do have to use closed-source vbox to use USB in the VM, so I at least have it installed)
[16:45] <gh0st> ose doesnt have usb?
[16:45] <slackytude|evil> thats only thing kvm is missing
[16:45] <Urchlay> gh0st: nope
[16:45] <slackytude|evil> besides good userland tools
[16:45] <gh0st> ha i thought i was doing something wrong with ose, now i know.
[16:45] <antiwire> kvm has usb support but no accelerated graphics
[16:46] <pi31415> is kvm separate from kqemu?
[16:46] <Urchlay> yah
[16:46] <slackytude|evil> yes
[16:46] <Urchlay> kqemu's now deprecated, recent versions of qemu have completely dropped support for it
[16:46] <Urchlay> and that blows, for me: my primary machine is an old AMD64 that lacks the CPU support for kvm
[16:47] <pi31415> i am thoroughly on the trailing edge <=)
[16:47] <Urchlay> (kqemu does work on it though)
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[16:48] <pi31415> i am on an atom processor, so i don't think i have much to work with either
[16:48] <Urchlay> I end up running an old version of qemu, which works, but has bugs (the VM freezes up from time to time, you have to "killall -ALRM qemu" to wake it up)
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> I hope red hat and novell improve managment of kvm
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> oh and canonical as well
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> their UEC is pretty good already
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> or so I hear
[16:48] <slackytude|evil> kinda steep learning curve
[16:49] <pi31415> it would be a trip if oracle bought novel
[16:49] <slackytude|evil> thats one area where canonical is really improving linux stuff
[16:49] <slackytude|evil> pi31415, ugh I hope not
[16:49] <Urchlay> canonical = the ubuntu folks?
[16:49] <slackytude|evil> yeah
[16:49] <pi31415> considering that oracle and microsoft are like matter and antimatter
[16:49] <alisonken1home> Urchlay, yes
[16:50] <xsamurai> pi31415: oracles gobbled up enough projects for one year
[16:50] <Urchlay> are they the ones that made the shell "smart" in ubuntu? if you type a nonexistent command, it runs a slow-ass python script that checks the apt repos, so it can tell you "to run this command, apt-get install $whatever"
[16:50] <slackytude|evil> shocked me when I downloaded Vbox recently
[16:51] <slackytude|evil> Oracle VirtualBox
[16:51] <slackytude|evil> I was like, WTF?
[16:51] <pi31415> Urchlay, that sounds horrible
[16:51] <Urchlay> of course, if it's an honest typo, you still get "command not found", only now you have to wait a couple seconds to see it
[16:51] <slackytude|evil> Urchlay, isnt that a debian thing?
[16:51] <Urchlay> dunno
[16:51] <Urchlay> I've seen it on ubuntu, not looked at debian in a couple yrs
[16:51] <xsamurai> Urchlay: how wonder how many searches come up for command 'ass' not found
[16:51] <xsamurai> debian doesnt have it
[16:51] <slackytude|evil> ok
[16:51] <xsamurai> you can however use apt-file to search
[16:52] <xsamurai> for a particular file , not command though
[16:52] <Urchlay> yeah, nothing wrong with that
[16:52] <Urchlay> it's the "do a time-consuming search whether the user asked for it or not" that bugs me
[16:52] <xsamurai> ubuntu is what it is
[16:52] <xsamurai> Urchlay: im sure theres a way to turn it off
[16:53] <slackytude|evil> Urchlay, yeah,my point. a lot of their stuff is just not for me. their work on KVM should be helpful, tho
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[16:53] <Urchlay> sure there is. Still annoying if you're like me, you end up working on other peoples' machines who leave everything at the default
[16:54] <pi31415> i wonder if they have a flavor of ubuntu for people who know how to use computers
[16:54] <xsamurai> should write up a debuntu.sh script for ubuntu
[16:54] <Urchlay> but maybe I should get a t-shirt that says "hell is other peoples' computers"
[16:54] <slackytude|evil> heh
[16:55] <slackytude|evil> pi31415, not really. ubuntu server edition is just standard ubuntu with less crap
[16:55] <Urchlay> trying to help a guy figure out how to do something on windows, I can *see* his CRT refreshing at 60Hz
[16:55] <slackytude|evil> still ubuntu tho
[16:55] <slackytude|evil> not that ubuntu is bad
[16:55] <slackytude|evil> just not for me
[16:55] <Urchlay> set to 90Hz, all is well, a week later I come back and windows has reset the refresh rate to 60 (no idea why, he certainly didn't do it himself)
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[16:56] <pi31415> 60Hz CRT is dangerous... people could get migraines and seizures and crap
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[16:56] <antiwire> it gives me the fear
[16:56] <Urchlay> it's the 21st century folks, they haven't made monitors that can be blown up from too high a sync rate in like 25 years
[16:56] <antiwire> 60Hz give me the fear really bad.
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[16:56] <Urchlay> pi31415: yeah, even people who can't actually see the refresh, still get headaches/eyestrain (they just don't know why)
[16:56] <pi31415> you get a CRT and a fluorescent tube playing off each other and it's like a rave
[16:57] <pi31415> only the people aren't smiling
[16:58] <pi31415> compiling kernel-huge and modules-smp on this netbook reminds me of the good old days on a 486
[16:59] <Delahunt> why are you compiling kernel-huge?
[16:59] <Urchlay> hm, what kinda netbook did you get?
[16:59] Action: Urchlay is considering getting a netbook in the near future
[16:59] <macavity> why would you compile a huge kernel?
[16:59] <pi31415> Delahunt: because Linux crashes if I close my lid
[16:59] <slackytude|evil> uh
[16:59] <Delahunt> pi31415, netbook?
[16:59] <pi31415> yes
[16:59] <Delahunt> which?
[16:59] <slackytude|evil> people with netbooks should try the new meego release
[16:59] <Delahunt> and why are you compiling huge config?  seriously, tweak that krap while you're in there
[16:59] <slackytude|evil> looks nice
[16:59] <macavity> take the generic one, add your fs, and possibly your chipset (unlikely that you need to fiddle with that), and you are golden
[16:59] <Delahunt> (much less huge isn't meant for daily use, use generic)
[17:00] <pi31415> Acer AOD 150
[17:00] <pi31415> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10485#c6
[17:00] <Urchlay> why could you not compile your kernel on your (hopefully) much faster desktop, and scp the result over to the netbook?
[17:00] <pi31415> Urchlay: what desktop?
[17:00] <Delahunt> like leave out ARCnet, Fibre, FDDI, SLIP, Firewire (if you don't have it), serial ports, parallel ports, all can be removed from the config for a netbook and anything else you don't have
[17:00] <Delahunt> also, PCMCIA, ISA can be removed if you don't have either of those ....
[17:00] <Urchlay> Delahunt: you know, the docs say that, but I've been using -huge for daily use all along and never had a problem
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[17:01] <Delahunt> Urchlay, not saying you can't, just discussing intent
[17:01] <Urchlay> pi31415: well, whatever other machine(s) you own or have access to that are faster than a netbook, anyway
[17:01] <Delahunt> nice netbook
[17:02] <pi31415> i probably have no business running Linux and should put xp back on it
[17:02] <Urchlay> ew, why?
[17:02] <slackytude|evil> nah
[17:02] <Delahunt> pi31415, nope
[17:02] <slackytude|evil> my mother uses slack for years now
[17:02] <Delahunt> linux is better for netbooks than xp or any other windows i know
[17:02] <Delahunt> more scalable and tweakable
[17:02] <trhodes> GUI-wise in particular
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[17:07] <pi31415> ERROR:  xz compression utility not found in $PATH.
[17:07] <pi31415> # type xz
[17:07] <pi31415> xz is /usr/bin/xz
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[17:08] <pi31415> oh, makepkg depends on the which command
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[17:08] <pi31415> i have no idea why
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[17:10] <pi31415> echo 'type $*' >/usr/bin/which;chmod a+rx /usr/bin/which
[17:10] <Delahunt> alienBOB, do the eee-pc acpi scripts actually work good for you?
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[17:11] <NeanT> if i wanna do a netinstall of the x64 release my only choice would be  to get the entire DVD ISO of it ?
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[17:13] <alisonken1home> unless you can find a cd install disk 1 of the 64-bit version
[17:13] <sahko> no, theres a usb installer in the slackware64-13.1 tree
[17:13] <sahko> and pxe as well
[17:14] <pi31415> i remember installing free unix from floppies
[17:14] <NeanT> couldn't find a cd yet..
[17:14] <Urchlay> pi31415: eh, you didn't have /usr/bin/which, or you did but it was malfunctioning?
[17:14] <NeanT> thanks sahko.. ill check into that
[17:15] <pi31415> Urchlay: I left it out because I did not think I used it
[17:15] <Urchlay> ah
[17:15] <sahko> NeanT: theres no cd for x86_64
[17:15] <sahko> just a dvd
[17:15] <alisonken1home> sahko, depends on where you go to get it :)
[17:15] <alisonken1home> but yeah - officially slack64 is a single dvd
[17:15] <NeanT> yeah.. too bad though..
[17:16] <pi31415> when i said "i have no idea why", i meant, "i don't know why makepkg uses which instead of type"
[17:16] <pi31415> considering that type is a builtin
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[17:18] <Urchlay> maybe type isn't a builtin in whatever ancient version of ash was used on the slackware installer, 10-15 years ago?
[17:19] <pi31415> good point, i remember using which.com on DOS back in the day
[17:19] <paul424> hey may I try to use mixed kde packages like 4.4 and 4.4.80 ( beta 4.5 _) ?
[17:19] <Urchlay> paul424: you may, but it might be that you cannot (it stands a good chance of not working)
[17:20] <metrofox> paul424: you may, but you could have some compatibility issues
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[17:22] <bitlord> is there a way to submit changed slackbuild scripts? (I just tried to find ddd for slack 13.1, without luck, found for 13.0 and add patch for gcc-4.4, and it works) (I'm not expert, but maybe someone can use it)
[17:23] <slackytude|evil> bitlord, contact original author
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[17:23] <slackytude|evil> bitlord, and #slackbuilds
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[17:23] <bitlord> tnx. slackytude|evil
[17:23] <slackytude|evil> no sweat
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[17:27] <nooneelse> I want to know why when I use "crontab -e" and put my rules in there, when I save it with":wq!" on VI it doens save my rules
[17:28] <nooneelse> someone have an idea of what it can be ?
[17:28] <alisonken1home> anybody know how to close a single window in irssi ?
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[17:28] <nooneelse> alisonken1home: have you tried /leave ?
[17:28] <alisonken1home> does that leave a single window or the whole program?
[17:29] <chopp>  /win close #
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[17:29] <alisonken1home> chopp, thanks
[17:29] <chopp> you're welcome
[17:29] <pi31415> cooneelse: you might try running strace on crontab -e
[17:30] <pi31415> with parameters to trace its children too
[17:30] <nooneelse> alisonken1home: http://quadpoint.org/articles/irssi
[17:30] <nooneelse> alisonken1home: this is good too ^^
[17:30] <alisonken1home> nooneelse, thanks
[17:30] <nooneelse> pi31415: ok I'll
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[17:39] <nooneelse> pi31415: it is impossible to follow the result of strace -f
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[17:40] <nooneelse> and can't edit, because the chars explodes on screen
[17:40] <nooneelse> pi31415: strace -f crontab -e
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[17:41] <paul424> where to get LibAttic ?
[17:41] <pi31415> strace -s 9999 -o logfile -f crontab -e
[17:41] <Delahunt> fwiw people, NEVER load an 8.6MB JPEG in firefox
[17:41] <Delahunt> it will bring your system to its knees and hard-lock even slackware
[17:41] <pi31415> Delahunt: you can find images like that all over the place on wikipedia
[17:41] <Delahunt> if you dare to test it (be warned) http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/images/hs-2003-11-a-full_jpg.jpg
[17:42] <pi31415> high res scans of classic art
[17:43] <nooneelse> pi31415: thanks I'll debug it out :D
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[17:45] <pi31415> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_Garden_of_Earthly_Delights_by_Bosch_High_Resolution.jpg
[17:46] <pi31415> 8.83 megabyte JPEG
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[17:48] <paul424> also, where to get LibAttic from ? It is needed by kdelib ...
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[17:52] <nooneelse> pi31415: no error about denied or something it just shows crond.write and then cron.update
[17:52] <nooneelse> on the line i've changed
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[17:57] <nooneelse> 32236 read(3, "e month:\n20 4 1 * * /usr/bin/ru
[17:57] <nooneelse> and some 32236 rename("root.new" ..... and 32236 open("cron.update", O_WRONLY|O
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[17:59] <nooneelse> the last proc id of activity http://pastebin.com/jk9FfFsb
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[18:00] <slackytude|evil> Delahunt, opera does it without issues
[18:00] <slackytude|evil> \o/
[18:01] <ut> so does konqueror, for that matter.
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[18:02] <Delahunt> i'm filing bug reports
[18:02] <ut> nice to know they had lsd in the 15th century.
[18:03] <slackytude|evil> they had?
[18:03] <alisonken1home> yep
[18:03] <slackytude|evil> ah, a bosch reference
[18:03] <alisonken1home> among other thnigs
[18:03] <slackytude|evil> he was probably liking frogs
[18:04] <slackytude|evil> or was it toads
[18:04] <slackytude|evil> licking
[18:04] <trhodes> toads iirc
[18:05] <raela> Delahunt: loading fine in firefox here
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[18:06] <raela> okay it didn't like when I zoomed in and scrolled :P
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[18:06] <raela> ah, it's back
[18:06] <raela> didn't crash, though
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[18:10] <johndee> Can syslinux chainload other bootloaders?
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[18:12] <Delahunt> raela, slackware version? firefox version?
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[18:12] <Delahunt> plugins?
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[18:13] <raela> Delahunt: 13.1, 3.6.3, default1.0.0.15/java1.6.0_20/flash10.0r45/skype butons for kopete
[18:14] <Urchlay> wait, bosch licking toads to trip? thought that kind of toad only lives in north & south america?
[18:14] <Delahunt> hmm slackware 13.0 but same firefox version
[18:14] <Urchlay> bosch was in europe somewhere, nothing to get high on but alcohol & maybe laudanum
[18:15] <slackytude|evil> not true
[18:15] <slackytude|evil> lots of plants and mushrooms
[18:15] <slackytude|evil> if you want to get high
[18:15] <Urchlay> in the 16th century, did anybody use them?
[18:16] <johndee> Urchlay: Not only there
[18:16] <johndee> I think..
[18:16] <trhodes> amanitas were in europe and asia
[18:16] <slackytude|evil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita_muscaria
[18:16] <slackytude|evil> yes
[18:16] <slackytude|evil> witches
[18:16] <slackytude|evil> but it was a hot deal
[18:16] <slackytude|evil> they kinda got burned
[18:17] <slackytude|evil> muhaha
[18:17] <Urchlay> well I dunno if bosch counts as a witch (think there were stories about him selling his soul or whatever, but they say that about lots of great artists)
[18:17] <Urchlay> "What do you burn apart from witches?"
[18:17] <Urchlay> "MORE WITCHES!!"
[18:17] <slackytude|evil> more witches
[18:17] <Azeotrope> Now I'm getting these 2 errors when running a 32bit app on my 13.1 multilib
[18:17] <Azeotrope> ./bitcoin: /lib/libcrypto.so.0.9.8: no version information available (required by ./bitcoin)
[18:17] <Azeotrope> ./bitcoin: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/libXi.so.6: undefined symbol: XESetWireToEventCookie
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[18:19] <Urchlay> hm. you sure the libcrypto.so and libXi.so aren't somehow corrupted? (ran out of disk space during installpkg, so they're not all the way there?)
[18:20] <Urchlay> note that I've seen installpkg fill up the disk without giving any kind of warning or error message at all
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[18:22] <raela> yeah.. slack really doesn't care if you fill the disk. might eventually give an I/O error (never grep files for a string, redirect that to a file, but have grep search the dir you're in as well...)
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[18:23] <paul424> what is cs command ?
[18:23] <sahko> counterstrike
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[18:25] <Urchlay> raela: I think installpkg really ought to let tar print a disk full message, if it happens (in the script, tar's called with 2>/dev/null IIRC)
[18:26] <raela> Urchlay: yeah.. it'd be helpful
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[18:29] <Urchlay> I think when it says "verifying package", one of the things it's doing is checking for free disk space... but it only checks the / partition (when I saw this happen, /usr was full, but / wasn't)
[18:30] <Urchlay> have to try to get it to happen again, then I can send a bug report to PV
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[18:32] <Delahunt> well installpkg is only a script as it is
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[18:32] <Delahunt> maybe a test case (like tar can fail out which makes installpkg fail out) is needed or an "else" or "if" or "||"
[18:33] <Delahunt> or maybe it should check this before even attempting
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[18:34] <Urchlay> really, if it'd just not redirect tar's stderr to /dev/null, that's all I'd need.
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[18:34] <Urchlay> as it stands, you end up with no error message, installpkg exits with status 0, /var/log/packages/whatever showing a bunch of files were installed, but the files aren't really there
[18:35] <Urchlay> just having it spit out tar's error messages would be enough to tell any admin that it failed (and having it exit with nonzero status would be nice for scripts that call it, like sbopkg)
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[18:38] <Urchlay> another, unrelated, thing I'd like to see installpkg do: if you try to install a package that doesn't have the install/ directory with at least a slack-desc file, it should bomb out & refuse to install anything
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[18:39] <raela> haha nice. I'm transfering the 13.1 packages so I can upgrade via digital camera, 1GB storage.. /dev/sdc1             969M  962M  7.3M 100% /mnt/camera
[18:39] <raela> managed to fit a, ap, d, f, k, kde, l, n
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[18:39] <raela> good guess on how much would go :D
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[18:41] <Delahunt> raela, you are silly
[18:41] <Delahunt> Urchlay, patrick volkerding is (iirc) the maintainer of pkgutils (or whatever installpkg comes in)
[18:41] <raela> I have no other way to transfer the stuff. well, I guess connecting the two.. but damn, effort. usb moves fast enough
[18:41] <Delahunt> raela, even a 2GB usb stick is only what $10?
[18:42] <raela> Delahunt: I had 1 GB stick that recently died (I think, maybe the laptop is questionable..) and bought an 8GB stick that died in 2 weeks
[18:42] <Delahunt> wow
[18:43] <sahko> raela: what about pets? do they die on you as well?
[18:44] <raela> sahko: haha. no, most people actually said I should put the pets down :P (and there was talk of how I should take my laptop out behind a barn and shoot it out of its misery..)
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[18:51] <thumbs> out of the 10-15 sticks I owned, only one died.
[18:53] <raela> the 1GB stick is several years old. maybe it is okay? but I started having problems with it randomly being undetected by the laptop.. in the middle of a copy, would get an I/O error and it mount couldn't find it.. would have to remove it, plug it back in, then mount
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[18:54] <pi31415> when I startx, I get an xterm or xconsole window with a rapidly blinking cursor and no mouse pointer
[18:55] <pi31415> i saw someone on the forum suggest using the generic kernel instead of huge
[18:55] <Delahunt> good: patrick also recommends that you use generic-smp instead of huge
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[18:55] <pi31415> i guess i will get my kernel compiling and try again tomorrow
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[18:55] <dchmelik> what do you have to compile one for?
[18:56] <Delahunt> the lid close event on his laptop crashes his machine evidently
[18:56] <pi31415> dchmelik, to work around buggy bios
[18:56] <Delahunt> pi31415, did you ever check if BIOS has a way to disable this?
[18:57] <pi31415> good point though, i could try it first to see if it works
[18:57] <pi31415> Delahunt, yes
[18:57] <dchmelik> would your system run Coreboot BIOS?
[18:58] <pi31415> no idea
[18:58] <pi31415> will reboot to generic now to see if that fixes the Xorg problem
[18:58] <dchmelik> you might also get a faster boot with Coreboot
[18:59] <dchmelik> http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards
[18:59] <Delahunt> um i don't know if that's such a good idea (does it void warranties?)
[18:59] <dchmelik> why would it void a warranty?  you can always re-flash your original BIOS and no one will know
[19:00] <Delahunt> because maybe they don't want you flashing your BIOS, duh
[19:00] <dchmelik> you might need to flash a new version anyway
[19:00] <Delahunt> (i.e. only with their approved updates)
[19:00] <Azeotrope> ...
[19:00] <Delahunt> yeah that's a good idea.  hey pi31415 have you checked if there any BIOS updates for your machine?
[19:00] <Azeotrope> sorry
[19:01] <dchmelik> Coreboot is a better idea
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[19:01] <Delahunt> dchmelik, um, if he wants to keep his warranty and support i would say you are incorrect
[19:02] <dchmelik> ...
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[19:02] <Delahunt> the dude just wants his machine not to crash when he closes his lid
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[19:02] <Delahunt> maybe help should be tailored to helping him get to this goal the quickest, safest, easiest way possible
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[19:03] <pi31415> generic gave me an error about not being able to find the root filesystem.  I did not write it down because I assumed that I made a typo in /etc/lilo.conf, but root is set the same as the other entries.
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[19:03] <raela> pi31415: did you do an initrd with 2.6.33.4 or 2.6.33.4-smp for the -k ?
[19:03] <Delahunt> if i take my car to a garage and say fuel economy sucks (common reason for instance: clogged fuel filter) and they say "man you should turbo it, that would fix the problem", they're incorrect
[19:03] <Delahunt> generic-smp requires an initrd, yes
[19:04] <pi31415> ah, my bad, sorry
[19:04] <Delahunt> the shortest distance to my goal/fix is a replacement of my fuel filter (as is also echoed by Chilton's and Haynes)
[19:04] <raela> pi31415: oh, no initrd at all.. just make sure to put the -smp or it'll do the same thing
[19:05] <pi31415> raela, where should I put -smp?
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[19:07] <slackytude|evil> those are some funky emails
[19:07] <slackytude|evil> Im glad to see our tax dollars at work
[19:08] <slackytude|evil> heaven help us all when government becomes efficient
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[19:09] <slackytude|evil> gah
[19:09] <slackytude|evil> wrong channel
[19:09] <alisonken1home> heh
[19:09] <slackytude|evil> curses
[19:10] <pi31415> raela, I could not find anything about -k in the lilo manual or in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt
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[19:11] <alisonken1home> pi31415, that's because -k is an option to mkinitrd - not lilo
[19:12] <pi31415> alisonken1home, thank you for the tip, now I found README.initrd
[19:13] <alisonken1home> pi31415, np
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[19:13] <raela> pi31415: errr sorry, took the dogs out
[19:14] <slackytude|evil> who let the dogs out
[19:14] <phrag> m00
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[19:15] <alisonken1home> phrag, "You don't have super-cow powers" :)
[19:16] <phrag> i has c0w p0w
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[19:17] <alisonken1home> http://www.abclinuxu.cz/clanky/mfcr-bsa-open-source?page=1
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[19:17] <alisonken1home> wow - bsa geting in-your-face about free software and computer hardware
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[19:17] <pi31415> running generic did not fix the problem
[19:17] <alisonken1home> Czech Ministry of Finance and BSA
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[19:18] <alisonken1home> "BSA: Hardware Without Software Not Tax Deductible"
[19:18] <slackytude|evil> funky czech
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[19:19] <pi31415> oh, my bad.  /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc is a link to xinitrc.kde even if you have not installed kde
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[19:19] <sahko> wow dennis hopper died
[19:20] <paul424> hey dudes what the cs command might mean in the scroipt ?
[19:20] <alisonken1home> yep - been getting talked about all day
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[19:20] <alisonken1home> paul424, "cs command" and "scroipt"?
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[19:20] <alisonken1home> what script?
[19:20] <trhodes> csh ?
[19:21] <dchmelik> pi31415, it should depend on what you set as the default window manager, with something like xwmconfig
[19:21] <dchmelik> the link to xinitrc, I mean
[19:21] Nick change: Raff_ -> Raff
[19:21] <pi31415> dchmelik, i was never prompted to set a default window manager
[19:21] <alisonken1home> paul424, which script are you talking about?
[19:21] <raela> pi31415: did you install fresh or upgrade?
[19:21] <dchmelik> that is weird
[19:21] <antiwire> during the install are you are prompted
[19:22] <antiwire> you are
[19:22] <paul424> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Generic
[19:23] <sahko> lol
[19:23] <pi31415> oh yeah, i remember why.  i did a fresh install.  during the 1st install the installer became unresponsive.  i was running top on a 2nd console.  it was refreshing the screen and it said the system was idle.  after 3 minutes I powered off and started over again.  the 2nd time around I just installed the A set and then installed the other packages by hand using installpkg.
[19:24] <trhodes> paul424: looks like a typo for "cd"
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[19:25] <alisonken1home> trhodes, yeah - glaring typo for a kde support webpage
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[19:25] <pi31415> the installer was unresponsive and so was the top command.  it showed new output every second but it did not respond to keyboard input
[19:25] <pi31415> I tried ctrl-q and scroll lock but those did not help
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[19:32] <Candinho> NEVER TRY UPDATE FROM 13 TO 13.1 OR OTHER VERSION USING SLACKPKG , JUST CHANGING MIRROS, IS STUPID, sorry i learn this today the hard way
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[19:33] <raela> Candinho: well.. there is UPGRADE.TXT for a reason :) ouch though
[19:33] <Candinho> raela, ye i learn that too :)
[19:33] <Candinho> but i still in love with slackware, not going to change :P
[19:33] <macavity> Candinho: the instructions on how to upgrade the entire distro to the next release is covered in exact and explicit detail in the slackpkg manpage :P
[19:34] <Candinho> macavity, dont believe in that
[19:34] <hackedhead> does slackware 13.1 have multilib officially?
[19:34] <Candinho> macavity, go for upgrade txt
[19:35] <alisonken1home> hackedhead, no - you have to go by alien's multilib setup
[19:35] <raela> hackedhead: no, but alienBOB still has it
[19:35] <hackedhead> alisonken1home: mmk, thanks
[19:35] <hackedhead> raela: thanks =]
[19:35] <macavity> Candinho: i'm an old rat in this.. i go over CHANGES_AND_HINTS.txt first, then upgrade with slackpkg, then carry out what needs to be done configuration wise
[19:35] <pi31415> why is it better to run generic than huge?
[19:35] <dchmelik> I thought if you use a multilib setup it is unofficial and unsupported
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[19:36] <pi31415> slackware is official?
[19:36] <hackedhead> dchmelik: that's apparent;y still correct
[19:36] <Candinho> macavity, now u show that u are smart, because if u dont read changes and hints, u wouldnt know u need change ur fstab before u try upgrade all
[19:36] <raela> dchmelik: well, you'd be more support than someone coming in on zenwalk
[19:36] <Candinho> yes is offical 13.1
[19:36] <alisonken1home> pi31415, depending on who you ask - huge has support for pretty much all major boot up hardware, whereas with generic, you create an initrd with just the drivers for your drives, then it loads the rest of the drivers off the hard drive
[19:37] <macavity> Candinho: i dont need that.. i have SATA disks :P
[19:37] <raela> pi31415: official to slackware :P
[19:37] <alisonken1home> some people here have a webpage why an initrd  is evil incarnate, but it's personal preference
[19:37] <pi31415> alisonken1home, do those unused drivers stay loaded after boot?
[19:37] <macavity> pi31415: the huge kernel is just that: huge and bloated
[19:37] <alisonken1home> pi31415, they're part of the kernel, they're not modules, so yes - they stay in ram
[19:37] <macavity> pi31415: you get faster boot times and less memory consumption with generic+initrd
[19:37] <pi31415> now i grok it, thank you
[19:38] <macavity> pi31415: also, lsmod actually show you someting usefull when using generic
[19:38] Action: macavity is a puritan who compiles everything but initrd support as a module anyway
[19:38] <trhodes> what kind of memory savings do you get with huge vs generic ?
[19:39] <macavity> only a couple of megs
[19:39] <Candinho> macavity,  for update first u do slackpkg update, then slackpkg install-news , then slackpg upgrade-all right??
[19:39] <pi31415> years ago i tried to use no modules and only compile in the drivers i needed
[19:39] <pi31415> but at some point, some drivers only worked as modules
[19:39] <macavity> Candinho: and clean-system
[19:40] <Candinho> macavity when i do clean system?
[19:40] <macavity> Candinho: then i re-install the hand full of apps that i use from SBo
[19:40] <Candinho> ah cool
[19:40] <macavity> Candinho: at the end.. as the manpage says
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[19:40] <alisonken1home> Candinho, there's also the problem with switching to libata and lilo so at one point you may have to boot the dvd/cd to be able to get lilo to work
[19:40] <alisonken1home> unless I'm thinking of 12.2 -> 13.0
[19:41] <Candinho> macavity, why u wasnt online a few hours earlier u could had save my life ahuahuah
[19:41] <raela> alisonken1home: no, that's in changes and hints I believe
[19:41] <Candinho> macavity, now im dowloadin the dvd iso to format and install :P
[19:42] <pi31415> i liked the bsd idea of having a base system versus packages, but I thought they were beginning to put too much stuff in the base system
[19:42] <Candinho> cya guys good night
[19:42] <hitest> nn
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[19:43] <dchmelik> pi31415, what was the difference between the base system and pkgsrc?
[19:44] <pi31415> dchmelik: the base system was small and it was treated as a whole
[19:45] <alisonken1home> similar to slackware install cd 1?
[19:45] <adamk_> pi31415, What has been moved to base recently that you don't like?
[19:45] <pi31415> dchmelik: pkgsrc was much bigger, it had thousands of packages, and a byzantine framework to deal with all the ways build scripts can go wrong^W^Wbe different
[19:45] <dchmelik> is NetBSD still considered the most secure OS?
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[19:45] <adamk_> dchmelik, That's probably OpenBSD that you are thinking of.
[19:45] <pi31415> by whom?
[19:46] <pi31415> alisonken1home: yes
[19:46] <adamk_> It probably still has the best reputation when it comes to security.
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[19:46] <adamk_> Amongst many people, anyway.
[19:46] <pi31415> dchmelik: for example, both netbsd and openbsd put httpd in the base system
[19:46] <dchmelik> I thought you said so once....
[19:46] <pi31415> i think it must have been someone else
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[19:48] <indubitableness> hey y'all I got a question about tagfiles
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[19:48] <pi31415> httpd in base is nothing compared to "slackware recommends that you install 6 gigs of stuff cuz its easier," but it is just my personal preference
[19:48] <alisonken1home> indubitableness, just ask
[19:49] <indubitableness> if I want to include packages that are on a partition manually mounted at say /mnt would I include the full path to each package in the tag file?
[19:49] <indubitableness> where the package name goes
[19:49] <alisonken1home> pi31415, slackware assumes you know what you're doing :)
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[19:50] <alisonken1home> indubitableness, I believe the tagfiles just specify the package name and options (required|recommended|,,)
[19:50] <phrag> and gives you the freedom to do so
[19:50] <pi31415> alisonken1home: yes, and slackware is also somewhat at the mercy of other projects
[19:50] <indubitableness> so if I want to get packages from a partition as opposed to off the disc a tagfile can't be used to install those during set up?
[19:50] <indubitableness> I can install them manually later as I usually do
[19:50] <pi31415> the other day i browsed the dosemu web site and was surprised that they basically have no documentation at all on the web site
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[19:50] <pi31415> i remember it being better documented in the past
[19:51] <alisonken1home> indubitableness, yes - you can specify a source location and tagfiles to use
[19:51] <indubitableness> okay
[19:51] <indubitableness> thanks
[19:51] <indubitableness> That's all
[19:51] <indubitableness> I needed
[19:51] <indubitableness> oops
[19:51] <indubitableness> see you next time
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[20:05] <thumbs> we should remove his enter key.
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[20:10] <famas> what key?
[20:11] <alisonken1home> famas, read up about indubitableness :)_
[20:11] <trhodes> he can't
[20:11] <alisonken1home> catch the public logs, then :)
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[20:34] <mininessie> can someone find me a fluxbox version of slackware to install in virtual box please
[20:35] <alisonken1home> mininessie, install a base slackware in virtualbox, then add fluxbox and libs to suit
[20:36] <mininessie> alisonken1home: there is no version of it where its standard
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[20:38] <alisonken1home> mininessie, might see if you can ping rworkman about it - he uses virtualbox I believe
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[20:58] <mancha> i heard 13.2 is due next week, is it true?
[20:59] <shonudo> :)
[20:59] <raela> mancha: no, it's 14.1
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[21:04] <dchmelik> i heard aleph-null is due next millennium, is it true?
[21:04] <mancha> chuck norris can count to aleph-null
[21:06] <niez> hi, I need xf86-input-mutouch, I have downloaded source xf86-input-mutouch.tar.xz from slackware mirror, I've unpacket it and I'm getting compilation errors
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[21:06] <niez> what's wrong with this packet?
[21:06] <mancha> unapacket means extract?
[21:06] <niez> yes
[21:07] <mancha> then what do you do?
[21:07] <niez> ./configure and then make
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[21:08] <mancha> i think you need to let it know where slack puts its things
[21:08] <XGizzmo> sounds kinky
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[21:08] <mancha> anyways, i'll play. what's the error...
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[21:10] <mancha> vut is zee error, herr noob?
[21:11] <niez> mancha, I have thin on another computer, please wait... :)
[21:11] <niez> this*
[21:12] <mancha> i will be around, ping me when you got moar better data
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[21:14] <WildWizard> xf86-input-mutouch should be compiled as a package looking at the source dir for x but there seems to be no package created, this should be reported to Pat as a bug so he can have a look at it
[21:15] <sahko> whats mutouch?
[21:16] <mancha> maybe it is trying and is borking with the error that niez is about to report to me
[21:17] <WildWizard> microtuch input driver
[21:17] <WildWizard> microtouch
[21:18] <WildWizard> looks like it hasn't been touched in 4 years though
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[21:21] <sahko> if nobody complained in 4 years...
[21:22] <sahko> 13.0 had this package
[21:22] <WildWizard> hmm yes it did seems it has only just broken
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[21:23] <sahko> so did 12.2
[21:23] <WildWizard> API change .... just tried to compile it myself
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[21:25] <WildWizard> http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-mutouch/ well looks like patches are available
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[21:26] <pi31415> are there any major distributions that still use xfree86?
[21:26] <sahko> no
[21:26] <pi31415> i can see how xorg would be compelling because it has new hardware support
[21:27] <sahko> thats what all companies are working on...
[21:27] <pi31415> it seemed that xfree86 was comparatively more stable
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[21:29] <sahko> iirc one of the core xorg developers dropped the idea to demodularize xorg..
[21:29] Nick change: NickArbitrary -> jewbacca
[21:29] <sahko> about a month ago or so
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[21:30] <sahko> brb
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[21:31] <riza> Hi.
[21:31] <pi31415> sahko: neat idea
[21:32] <Urchlay> hm, I just glanced at that & read it as "demilitarize"
[21:32] <pi31415> sir no sir
[21:32] <riza> Are you guys talking about the Korea situation?
[21:32] <riza> If so I may chip in.
[21:32] <pi31415> sir no sir
[21:32] <Urchlay> probably impossible to end strife among open source/free software devs
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[21:33] <mancha> xf86-input-kim-jong-il
[21:33] <Urchlay> we're like those 10 thousand religious sects that look identical to unbelievers, but have huge disputes over tiny differences in doctrine
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[21:34] <WildWizard> niez: try this version it seems to compile http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-input-mutouch/snapshot/xf86-input-mutouch-db04a5333b545a0442b995bae47d2c5527a7459e.tar.bz2
[21:34] <Urchlay> xf86-input-ak47
[21:34] <Urchlay> (actually I guess an assault rifle is an output device)
[21:34] <pi31415> urchlay: which is better for a system, to be more stable or to support more hardware?
[21:34] <riza> AK47? It's a good rifle. D:
[21:34] <riza> Sorry. I'll stop.
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[21:35] <shonudo> output device... very clever, too funny
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[21:35] <Urchlay> pi31415: dunneaux. Depends on what the system's for I suppose.
[21:35] <niez> WildWizard, thanks, I will try
[21:35] <WildWizard> xf86-input-crazy-generals
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[21:35] <riza> lol xD
[21:35] <Urchlay> also, depends on how unstable you're talking about. If it crashes hourly, it's useless, no matter how much hw it supports for 59 minutes at a time
[21:35] <mancha> xf86-input-crazy-linux-colonels
[21:36] <shonudo> colonels or kernels?
[21:36] Nick change: Gargantua -> |x|
[21:36] <mancha> shonudo is teh quick
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[21:36] <pi31415> true, neither xfree86 nor xorg should be put on a server
[21:36] <WildWizard> colonel is a person
[21:36] <WildWizard> kernel is not
[21:36] <Urchlay> rekompile your colonel?
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[21:36] <pi31415> oh noe
[21:36] <mancha> i always recompile mah colonel
[21:37] <pi31415> the korn is strong in thie channel
[21:37] <pi31415> kornel do it
[21:37] <mancha> and make it finger lickin' good
[21:37] <Urchlay> mancha: those 7 secret herbs & spices are definitely not open source
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[21:37] <mancha> foss came out with extra crispy though
[21:38] <pi31415> also, free range software don't develop open sores
[21:38] <riza> I'm actually concerned about FOSS's future.
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[21:38] <shonudo> i'm concerned about the open sores comment...
[21:38] <riza> D:
[21:38] <mancha> i'm concerned about shonudo's open sores
[21:38] <shonudo> no sores here
[21:38] <shonudo> open or closed-source
[21:39] <pi31415> i'm concerned about the level of concern going on.  chatreuse alert
[21:39] <riza> D:
[21:39] <Urchlay> I've written some hopin' source (hope it compiles)
[21:39] Action: riza goes to take a chemistry.com quiz, who is with me?!
[21:39] <shonudo> that was a lonely moment...
[21:40] <riza> D:!
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[21:42] <pi31415> that is an interesting quit message
[21:42] <pi31415> *** Signoff: blaines (Max SendQ exceeded)
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[21:42] <pi31415> i've seen it happen several times
[21:43] <Urchlay> used to know what that means, can't remember exactly now
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[21:44] <mancha> Urch, a quota on your irc traffic
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[21:44] <Urchlay> yeah, but imposed by whom? your crappy demo version irc client?
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[21:44] <mancha> crappy server
[21:44] <dimm0k> any conky users here with kde 4.4.3/slackware 13.1?
[21:44] <pi31415> some lag in a pipe caused a wipe out effect of a packet in a pocket in a socket disconnect, a buffer queue got rougher through the sheer amount of flow so the server hit a swerver and a client had to go
[21:45] <dimm0k> trying to get a tranparent conky with this new kde and it doesn't seem to work anymore
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[21:45] <Urchlay> hm, I've yammered my head off for hours in freenode, never hit any sort of quota (probably some people were wishing I would...)
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[21:46] <mancha> keep it up homeslice, you'll get your's
[21:46] <Urchlay> pi31415: what you just said, would almost work as nerdcore rap lyrics
[21:46] <Urchlay> (or is that where it came from in the first place, MC chris or somebody like that?)
[21:46] <pi31415> dr dre seuss
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[21:48] <mancha> there he goes again...
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[21:48] <mancha> maybe he's getting assessed your quota?
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[21:49] <mancha> if (urchlay.talk > quota) { kill(blaines) }
[21:49] <Urchlay> heh. I talk too much, so he has to do pushups while I enjoy my jelly donut?
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[21:50] <mancha> i don't make the rules....
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[21:51] <raela> Urchlay: nah, I spam like no other in -offtopic and haven't gotten killed for it
[21:51] <raela> maybe his connection sucks
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[21:52] <shonudo> connection like a sendq dealer?
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[21:53] <pi31415> how does cox.net compare?
[21:53] <pi31415> comcast is a 90's honda with a fart can, and cox.net is a rusted out camaro?
[21:53] <raela> I just mean in terms of his specific location/package/etc
[21:53] <Urchlay> <beavis>Hehe, he said "cox"</beavis>
[21:54] <raela> twc is some old beater from the 80's where half of the frame is rusted out
[21:54] <shonudo> hadn't thought about beavis and butthead in ages
[21:54] <shonudo> thanks for the memories
[21:54] <raela> and there's a gas tank leak
[21:54] <raela> Urchlay: I totally went that way first.. was about to comment on it, then realized blaines was on cox..
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[21:55] <raela> Max sendq exceeded is when the server is flooding the client, not the
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[21:55] <raela> other way around. The server ensures that it doesn't flood the client using this mechanism. Doing a /who on a channel with 500 users is likely to cause this, if the server doesn't also control how many lines of /who output are returned, like ircu does.
[21:56] <shonudo> so you're saying it's self-inflicted?
[21:56] <pi31415> maybe a buggy client
[21:56] <raela> guess so. maybe he keeps /listing
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[21:56] <pi31415> doesn't respond to CTCP CLIENTINFO or VERSION
[21:56] <Urchlay> raela: *shrug*, my brain is wired to think that way, sometimes I can't make it stop
[21:57] <dchmelik> what is dr dre seuss?
[21:57] <pi31415> do you like green eggs and ham?
[21:57] <dchmelik> no
[21:57] <Urchlay> actually, freenode's pickier than other networks about the content of your ctcp version response
[21:57] <pi31415> neither do i said sam i am
[21:57] <raela> This is an old configuration on some servers that holds a max amount of data you can send during one session. This means that the server can't relay the text you sent to it and the server disconnects you to make you start a new session.
[21:58] <pi31415> *** CTCP VERSION reply from blaines: Linkinus (Agent build 18982)
[21:58] <raela> dchmelik: it's a series of children's books
[21:58] <blaines> pi31415, I have no idea what the deal is
[21:58] <dchmelik> dr dre is a rapper
[21:58] <raela> apparently sendq is a setting for the irc server, not necessarily the client
[21:58] <raela> blaines: is there a command you do when it disconnects you?
[21:58] <pi31415> and dr seuss is the snickers
[21:59] <blaines> raela: no, just says there's an error and I reconnect
[21:59] <raela> blaines: so didn't join a channel, or who a /list or /who ?
[21:59] <blaines> raela I think linkinus does that automatically - don't really know how to stop it
[21:59] <Urchlay> yuck
[22:00] <raela> blaines: maybe switch clients
[22:00] <blaines> Docs: "Linkinus regularly send who commands"
[22:00] <pi31415> i never heard of that client before now
[22:00] <dimm0k> what's the easiest way to migrate over my kmail stuff to slackware 13.1 from 13.0?
[22:00] <shonudo> blaines, can you override that?
[22:01] <blaines> I wish, it does a lot of auto-autoing that I really don't understand
[22:01] <shonudo> dimm0k, copy the files over
[22:01] <Urchlay> it's probably causing problems when you join this channel cause there's so many users in it
[22:01] <blaines> sometimes I can't connect, other times it works fantastic
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[22:01] <Urchlay> why would you continue to use an irc client where "sometimes" you can't connect?
[22:02] <raela> blaines: I'd really question using it if it does all of those extra auto commands and you can't turn them off.. obviously, it's causing issues.. heh
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[22:02] <blaines> because it's the best one I've found for osx
[22:02] <ut> tried colloquy, or irssi?
[22:02] <Urchlay> (I suppose it's better than never being able to connect, but IRC's a mature tech, there are thousands of clients to choose from, and some of them surely run on your platform and suck less)
[22:03] <pi31415> blaines, you might try ChatZilla
[22:03] <blaines> colloquy is alright but crashed a lot :(
[22:03] <ut> oh. it was stable last time i tried it :\
[22:04] <pi31415> linkinus costs EUR 19.99
[22:04] <pi31415> not that expensive
[22:04] <Urchlay> if there's irssi for your platform, use it...
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[22:04] <Urchlay> people pay money for irc clients?
[22:04] <raela> it's a pay client even?! GROSS
[22:04] <pi31415> I like ChatZilla because it is crossplatform and easy
[22:05] <blaines> hehe firefox has kinda become overburdened with xtras
[22:05] <blaines> chrome seems to be the new whiz-bang lightweight
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[22:05] Action: ut likes irssi quite a lot
[22:05] <ut> chrome's heavy on memory though
[22:06] <pi31415> it's not like chatzilla makes it crash or adds an annoying yahoo toolbar
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[22:06] <blaines> yea I'll check it out - not sure how much I'd like an irc client in my web browser
[22:06] <pi31415> is irssi run in a terminal emulator?
[22:06] <raela> yes, pi31415
[22:06] <pi31415> is it written in Perl?
[22:07] <Urchlay> no
[22:07] <raela> no, but it can use perl scripts
[22:07] <Growl__> guys, every browser sucks, but firefox less because it has vimperator plugin!!!
[22:07] <Urchlay> it's got an embedded perl interpreter, but can be compiled without it (not sure why you'd want to though)
[22:07] <pi31415> what does vimperator do?
[22:07] <ut> opera didn't suck until the last update...
[22:07] <blaines> why isn't opera more popular?
[22:07] <mancha> opera always sucks
[22:08] <mancha> it is closed source ergo it is stealing my banking info when i do online banking
[22:08] <Growl__> pi31415: do yuo what is vim?
[22:08] <Urchlay> opera's less popular with linux users possibly because it's not open source or free
[22:08] <pi31415> yes
[22:08] <mancha> free just not open
[22:08] <mancha> gratis not libre
[22:08] <pi31415> vimperator makes firefox use hjkl instead of arrow keys?
[22:08] <Urchlay> Free in the FSF sense, is what I meant
[22:08] <blaines> ah
[22:08] <Urchlay> it's not that
[22:09] <Growl__> pi31415: yes, and more
[22:09] <blaines> vimperator scares me
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[22:09] <pi31415> growl: it sounds neat, i should try it
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[22:10] <pi31415> they should have called it vimpersonator
[22:10] <pi31415> but i guess that might sound too vegas for some
[22:10] <Urchlay> at one time I remember trying to use the old ad-supported opera and getting annoyed (had my xinitrc starting up a tiny xterm in the exact position where the ads appeared, so I didn't have to see them, but was on a dialup and got tired of it using bandwidth)
[22:11] <pi31415> i never understood the alure of opera
[22:11] <ut> you can scroll through your tabs
[22:12] <pi31415> i like chrome because i can run it in Linux and if I make the page work with chrome, it will generally work with safari
[22:12] <Growl__> pi31415: if you like vim, then you should like vimperator too =)
[22:12] <Urchlay> pi31415: well, the singing is really nice, but it's usually in Italian :)
[22:12] <pi31415> i do not like vim, i tolerate it
[22:12] Action: Urchlay *hearts* vim
[22:12] Action: ut plans on hearting vim as soon as he gets around to learning the more obscure commands
[22:13] Action: pi31415 *hearts* leafpad
[22:13] Action: raela would sleep with vim, if it were possible
[22:13] <pi31415> `
[22:13] <pi31415> oops, my netbook fell over
[22:13] <Urchlay> hm. Well, you could maybe sleep with the author...
[22:14] <Urchlay> (but, eh, depending on how many devs there are, it might be too much work)
[22:14] <Growl__> Urchlay: or with all  authors in the same time=)))
[22:14] <pi31415> besides, one vim in the world is enough
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[22:15] <raela> Urchlay: oh, sleeping with a dev/author would just be weird :( no thanks
[22:17] <pi31415> in a former irc channel one of the regulars said she would like to sleep with certain server models from Sun
[22:17] <pi31415> some people are stranger than others
[22:17] <raela> oh, I'd totally sleep with fluxbox. I'd even let it have my babies
[22:18] Action: ut once used his macbook to keep his feet warm 
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[22:19] <Urchlay> raela: sadly, so many women feel that way about devs in general... 100 years from now, nobody will have the genes for the kind of brain it takes to be a good developer :(
[22:19] <Urchlay> ever seen the movie "Idiocracy"?
[22:19] <pi31415> hah
[22:19] <pi31415> there is such a thing as a good developer?
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[22:20] <ut> I love that movie.
[22:20] <pi31415> it's got what plants crave!
[22:20] <raela> Urchlay: oh, I just don't want to sleep with people in general.. nothing wrong with the devs. but nope, haven't seen the movie, though I believe I've heard of it
[22:20] <Urchlay> pi31415: well, it's rare. I'm more of a chaotic neutral developer, and of course microsoft hires all the lawful evil ones...
[22:20] <alisonken1home> are you sure it's the "lawful evil" types they hire? :)
[22:21] <Urchlay> lawful evil = the type who follows orders
[22:21] <Urchlay> the management might be chaotic evil, but for minions, you want lawful
[22:21] <raela> chaotic neutral is the best :D
[22:21] <pi31415> i am a terrible developer
[22:22] <pi31415> my coding style changes about once a year
[22:22] <Urchlay> that's not so bad
[22:22] <Urchlay> I hate having to troubleshoot the kind of code where the style changes once every 10 lines
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[22:22] <raela> I wrote my first perl script today that I came up with, not as an assignment.. so proud of myself :P
[22:22] <Urchlay> what does it do?
[22:23] <raela> I had 82 search strings that I had to compare to 200k blocks of text that had line breaks in them
[22:23] <pi31415> i used to break up a long statement like "if (cond1 ||\n    cond2 ||\n    cond3)\n{\n    dosomething();\n}\n"
[22:24] <pi31415> these days I am a little more inclined to stick move place that \n after the 3 instead of after the )
[22:24] <pi31415> s/stick move//
[22:24] <raela> I had commented lines that were important though.. it's dna stuff. bioperl is really nice, so I didn't have to do much work, but it's still something
[22:24] <raela> a couple loops
[22:24] <dchmelik> there was an old video game called Space Vader
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[22:25] <pi31415> sigh, my bittorrent client wants libldap for no good reason
[22:25] <Urchlay> "bioperl"... interesting concept (never heard of it before, just going by the name)
[22:26] <raela> pi31415: well, other than using bioperl, it'd have to be something like 16 conditions to remove line breaks, to keep things intact
[22:26] <raela> there's bioperl and biopython.. simlilar things, I believe
[22:26] <raela> *similar
[22:27] <raela> bioperl has many modules that are specific to genetics things.. so.. it's quite nice :) and I should use it more
[22:28] <Urchlay> pi31415: the very fact that you think about stuff like that, tells me your code probably doesn't suck
[22:29] <dustybin> for some reason i am missing: xorgconfig
[22:29] <dustybin> xorgsetup is there but it isn't advanced enough for me
[22:29] <alisonken1home> dustybin, since slackware doesn't use /etc/X11/xorg.conf any more ... :) typically you only need it for non-standard X configuration any more
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[22:30] <Urchlay> s/doesn't use/doesn't require/
[22:30] <pi31415> Urchlay, thanks for the compliment
[22:30] <dchmelik> unless you have an old monitor and need to specify its HorizSync and VertRefresh, which makes it really stupid that the Xorg creators removed that
[22:30] <pi31415> sometimes i think i would do better to find out what indent does and stick to that
[22:30] <raela> Urchlay: this is what I wrote http://pastebin.com/ih6S2RpR
[22:31] <dustybin> alisonken1home: slackware 13.1 still reads my xorg.conf
[22:31] <Urchlay> they didn't remove the ability to do that in the conf file, but apparently they did remove the xorgconfig tool
[22:31] <pi31415> have a well defined standard instead of whatever seemed best at the time
[22:31] <dustybin> maybe i should just delete it?
[22:31] <alisonken1home> dustybin, it will use it if it's there - doesn't mean it needs it :)
[22:31] <alisonken1home> dustybin, try just renaming it first
[22:31] <alisonken1home> xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old or something
[22:31] <alisonken1home> then restart X
[22:32] <dustybin> wow it worked with xorg.conf!
[22:32] <Urchlay> raela: that's high enough level that someone who knows nothing about bioinformatics (like me!) can't even decide if it's well written :)
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[22:32] <dustybin> how can i know if its using the nvidia driver?
[22:32] <dustybin> *without
[22:32] <alisonken1home> if you have nvidia - then lsmod and see if nouveau is loaded or nvidia is loaded
[22:32] <Urchlay> pretty sure you have to use an xorg.conf to get it using the proprietary nvidia module
[22:32] <dustybin> yep its loaded but doesnt mean its using it
[22:33] <dustybin> ohh
[22:33] <Urchlay> don't believe xorg will automatically use it
[22:33] <raela> Urchlay: it really really isn't :) I think. I abuse the hell out of loops, I think. there may be something in bioperl to natively search read in sequences, instead of making arrays out of them
[22:33] <alisonken1home> dustybin, what Urchlay said :)
[22:33] <dustybin> aye ok
[22:33] <pi31415> i also like how slackware doesn't split a package into package{,-dev,-doc,-src,-server,-client,-tweaked}
[22:33] <Urchlay> pi31415++;
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[22:34] Nick change: pi31415 -> pi31416
[22:35] <Urchlay> dustybin: as I understand it (which is imperfectly), you don't need a complete xorg.conf. You can just put in the sections you'd have to modify to make the nvidia driver work, and the autodetect stuff will still work for everything else (e.g. no need for a pointer section)
[22:35] <alisonken1home> pi31416, rounding error? :)
[22:35] <pi31416> make up your mind
[22:35] <pi31416> some tell me it should be 5, others say 6
[22:35] <Urchlay> alisonken1home: I incremented him
[22:36] <alisonken1home> well, since it 3.14159.... rounding up would put it there at 4 sigdig's
[22:36] <alisonken1home> just depends on how far down the chain you want to go
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[22:36] <pi31416> and whether you want to yank it
[22:37] <alisonken1home> that too
[22:37] <pi31416> no appointments necessary at the yankee clipper
[22:38] <Urchlay> hm. If pi is an infinitely long sequence of digits that never repeats... that means that if the MPAA tries to sue you for torrenting a movie, you can claim their copyright is invalid, because the sequence of numbers that makes up the pixels in the video, occurs naturally in pi (somewhere)...
[22:38] <alisonken1home> heh
[22:38] <alisonken1home> would be interesting to see that argued in court
[22:38] <Urchlay> nah, wouldn't work in real life
[22:38] <ut> would be good for a laugh
[22:38] <alisonken1home> yep
[22:38] <dchmelik> just save it as a math file of an offset of pi
[22:38] <dchmelik> then load it when you need
[22:38] <alisonken1home> about as funny as the sco lawsuit
[22:39] <pi31416> the newspaper said the police would be especially diligent about handing out tickets this memorial day
[22:39] <pi31416> that is just what they said last year
[22:39] <Urchlay> being diligent, to my mind, would mean handing out fewer tickets
[22:39] <pi31416> the people who made the matrix knew what they were talking about
[22:40] <ut> if there was any justice, they'd raise the speed limits for holidays
[22:40] <pi31416> re: dejavu
[22:41] <Urchlay> ut: also at night. also, they could turn 99.9% of traffic lights into blinking red/yellow (stop for one direction, yield for the other) after midnight, with no less safety
[22:41] <ut> extra traffic. gotta go faster to keep it moving. vroom.
[22:41] <pi31416> if the world loses a few idiots, no big loss
[22:41] <pi31416> of course it would call for reinstating the code of hammurabi
[22:42] <Urchlay> speed limits seem to exist just to make the local government money
[22:42] <alisonken1home> darwin at his best :)
[22:42] <alisonken1home> we could use a few more darwin awards around here
[22:42] <pi31416> you pancake a pedestrian, thus shall the justice system do to you
[22:42] <ut> the other morning, i had three people in the space of 5 or 10 minutes start to switch lanes into me without a signal.
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[22:43] <dchmelik> There is ##slackware-offtopic, BTW
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[22:43] <Urchlay> there isn't a lot of on-topic discussion going on in here anyway
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[22:43] <ut> oh yeah. forgot about that channel.
[22:43] <pi31416> i saw 2 kids on bicycles, no helmets, riding on the sidewalk in opposite directions, nearly hit each other, a few blocks later, one of those kids took a spill for no good reason that i could tell
[22:44] <ut> tomorrow's drivers :(
[22:44] <thumbs> I cringe whenever I see kids on bikes without helmets.
[22:44] <dchmelik> if the world loses a few idiots [or etc.,] no big loss; Sparta was right
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[22:44] <raela> I rode a bike down in SC at my dad's.. I asked if he had a helmet I could use and he laughed at me
[22:45] <pi31416> i read a story about one who flew out from some bushes and got run over by a car in washington.. the driver had video cameras in his car.  the police reviewed the footage and agreed, the kid came out of nowhere.
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[22:49] <alisonken1home> among other things :) and it's the teenagers who think nothing of zipping in and out of parked cars on their bikes as well
[22:51] <raela> damn kids.. always causing trouble :P
[22:52] <ut> you can see it in their glinty evil eyes.
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[22:56] <thumbs> raela: terrible.
[22:57] <thumbs> raela: parents and kids should be ashamed of not having an helmet.
[22:57] <pi31416> a helmet will not help the kid in a collision with a car
[22:58] <raela> thumbs: if I had my own bike, I definitely would have a helmet. the young kids had helmets
[22:58] <pi31416> it might help in a collision with a telephone pole
[22:58] <hackedhead> pi31416: lies.
[22:58] <hackedhead> pi31416: a helmet _always_ helps
[22:58] <hackedhead> pi31416: take it from someone who has been there
[22:58] <ut> cars are a great justification for a helmet
[22:58] <raela> hackedhead: if the wreck is bad enough, the helmet wouldn't matter.. but.. they are worth it for when it does work
[22:59] Action: ut probably wouldn't bother if he wasn't going to be near traffic
[22:59] <hackedhead> ut: the ground is plenty of justification
[22:59] <pi31416> i know people who wear special helmets with they drive an ATV.. they are longer in an attempt to protect the neck as well as the head
[22:59] <pi31416> but i still think it is futile
[22:59] <pi31416> if you impact a big object at that speed, the long, sturdy helmet will break your back and shoulders instead of your head and neck
[22:59] <hackedhead> raela: the point is the helmet helps prevent the crash from being 'bad enough;
[22:59] <raela> I don't understand people who ride horses without helmets, either.. it seems even more dangerous than a bike
[23:00] <raela> hackedhead: I mean if the person gets hit and say tires roll over their chest, crushing their internal organs
[23:00] <pi31416> a helmet only works when you hit the ground or a telephone pole, and at the correct angle
[23:00] <Urchlay> raela: if I rode a horse, I'd feel wrong about it unless I wore a cowboy hat
[23:01] <Urchlay> (not that I habitually wear cowboy hats, but then I don't ride horses either)
[23:01] <pi31416> one time a car ran into me and gave me a doozy of a bruise on my leg
[23:01] <hackedhead> pi31416: it doesn't matter what you hit, you _always_ hit the ground afterwards
[23:01] <raela> Urchlay: yeah, but up on a horse, it's not only your own balance - it's the horse's as well. prey animal and all, but they can also trip and fall down on people
[23:01] <pi31416> i hit the ground but not my head
[23:01] <hackedhead> pi31416: then you're lucky
[23:02] <pi31416> i was wearing a helmet
[23:02] <pi31416> it didn't help
[23:02] <hackedhead> my point stands
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[23:02] <Urchlay> actually, instead of a cowboy hat, a full suit of medieval armor would be better... but harder to come by
[23:02] <hackedhead> i go out three times a week and never fall down. but i still wear a helmet
[23:02] <raela> hehe
[23:02] <pi31416> i never bike without a helmet
[23:02] <hackedhead> it "doesn't help" then either, but that's not the point
[23:02] <pi31416> but i do think it is a farce
[23:02] <raela> I suck at riding bikes.. it terrifies me :) definitely want helmets
[23:02] Action: ut wears a helmet to protect the ground from his head
[23:03] <hackedhead> ut: hahahaha
[23:03] <pi31416> it is like those "survival kits" or "first aid kits" you can buy in a store
[23:03] <pi31416> they don't work
[23:03] <hackedhead> pi31416: ever hit the ground at ~40mph?
[23:03] <pi31416> nope, I hit it at 20 and that is bad enough for me!
[23:04] <pi31416> and that was when i was young and robust
[23:04] <hackedhead> helmets help. at 40mph, all of your parts are bouncing on the ground.
[23:04] <pi31416> and you may as well take a space blanket with you in the wilderness, it is better than not having a space blankey
[23:05] <pi31416> wait, you pedal 40 MPH?
[23:05] <hackedhead> i'm not talking about 'better than' i'm taling about preventing catatrophe
[23:05] <hackedhead> pi31416: yes?
[23:05] <pi31416> dang
[23:05] <hackedhead> pi31416: in a pace line
[23:05] <Urchlay> he might be talking about a motorcycle
[23:05] <Urchlay> or not...
[23:05] <hackedhead> Urchlay: nope
[23:06] <Urchlay> know some bikers, they all hate wearing helmets, but they all do it anyway
[23:06] <raela> man, I get terrified when I pick up a tiny bit of downhill speed.. damn
[23:06] <pi31416> you would leave me in the dust
[23:06] <hackedhead> heck i hit 40mph today on a 6% downgrade, it doesn't take too much
[23:06] <hackedhead> pi31416: i average (at the moment) about 20-25mph on flats
[23:06] <pi31416> i followed this army dude in the bike lane the other day and he did 20 up a 6% grade
[23:07] <hackedhead> pi31416: haha
[23:07] <pi31416> cardiovascular system of the gods
[23:07] <hackedhead> pi31416: yeah, we had an army guy on our cycling team once
[23:07] <hackedhead> totally nuts
[23:07] <hackedhead> pi31416: yeah, and lungs the size of blimps
[23:07] <hackedhead> pi31416: actually, this guy sprinted out of saddle for an entire 5mi time trail
[23:07] <hackedhead> trial*
[23:07] <hackedhead> 0_o
[23:08] <hackedhead> on the other hand, he's the _reason_ i hit the ground at 40mph. he effed up the paceline and took out me and two other guys, i got the worst of it
[23:08] <pi31416> then again he was on a street bike and i ride a mountain bike with knobby tires
[23:08] <pi31416> yeah, that's the difference
[23:08] <hackedhead> pi31416: oh.
[23:09] <hackedhead> pi31416: road bike are _much_ easier to get going fast on roads
[23:09] <hackedhead> it's nearly imposible to clear 25-30mph on a mountain bike on the road just due to the physics of the tires
[23:10] <hackedhead> even going downhill and crap, barring actually falling off a cliff
[23:13] <thumbs> hackedhead: do like me, and carry two sets of tires on me.
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[23:19] <pi31416> tubes or tires?
[23:19] <thumbs> pi31416: both.
[23:20] <hackedhead> thumbs: patch kits tend to be enough
[23:20] <thumbs> hackedhead: no, the point is that you have big threaded tires, and slick tires.
[23:20] <pi31416> i have never had a flat on a long ride, only on my commutes
[23:20] <hackedhead> thumbs: i have two bikes. so.
[23:20] <pi31416> a surprising number of my flats come from staples and metal wires
[23:21] <hackedhead> thumbs: really, the two types of tires are for entirely different riding, no sense in having both for the same bike..
[23:21] <thumbs> hackedhead: I have a hybrid bike, so it works well.
[23:22] <hackedhead> thumbs: ah.
[23:22] <pi31416> i expect i will want a hybrid when i get feeble
[23:22] <thumbs> pi31416: heh?
[23:22] <hackedhead> thumbs: when i road ride, i want to go _fast_ so an upright hybrid is no good
[23:22] <pi31416> i meant recumbent
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[23:22] <hackedhead> recumbents are... interesting.
[23:23] <pi31416> i have read that they are easier, but that they can be exciting when you go downhill
[23:23] <hackedhead> though really, i hoping to be fit enough to just keep riding a regular bike
[23:23] <thumbs> hackedhead: lacking space to store more than one bike, I chose the hybrid.
[23:23] <hackedhead> thumbs: i suppose i get that. i suffered through some very cramped quarters with my two bikes, but i love 'em
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[23:24] <pi31416> distance biking is like hiking, you have to break in your boots or bike seat
[23:25] <hackedhead> pi31416: i guess. more like break in your rear
[23:25] <pi31416> but once you do, it feels empowering to go 50 to 100 miles on your own legs in less than 1 day
[23:26] <hackedhead> pi31416: do you pull that kind of milage on a mountain bike?
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[23:26] <pi31416> i've done 50 miles on my current mountain bike, and 70 on the one before
[23:26] <hackedhead> pi31416: you really ought to look at getting a road bike, you'll be much happier
[23:26] <pi31416> got pretty sore on the 70 miler
[23:27] <pi31416> i don't do it often.. and i live in the mountains, so...
[23:27] <stu_> any idea why my 13.1 install disc 1 takes superlong to load hugemps(sp?) and then just reboots after it finishes so?
[23:27] <hackedhead> pi31416: but are you acutally riding offroad?
[23:27] <stu_> i had to help my friend install 13, and do a telinit slackpkg update
[23:27] <pi31416> stu_, how old a computer is it?
[23:27] <stu_> telinit 3
[23:28] <stu_> pi31416, fairly new, core 2 duo
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[23:28] <pi31416> hackedhead: no, almost all of my miles are commuter miles.. i figure the stubby tires give me more exercise and better stopping distance
[23:28] <shonudo> pi31416, if you're doing 70miles offroad on mountainous terrain, you're my hero
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[23:28] <thumbs> hackedhead: once I buy a house, I'll get a road bike, yeah.
[23:29] <pi31416> shonudo: no, it was on highway over the coastal mountains in Oregon, not that much elevation change
[23:29] <shonudo> ah
[23:29] <shonudo> i was just imagining the better part of a century over rough terrain
[23:29] <shonudo> made me tired just thinking about it
[23:29] <hackedhead> pi31416: that's true, i guess. i can no longer imagine biking more than about 2mi. on road on a mountian bike
[23:29] <pi31416> i know of people who have biked through lava bed trails on the other side of the cascades, now that is insane
[23:29] <hackedhead> shonudo: exactly.
[23:30] <pi31416> those rocks can tear things apart
[23:30] <hackedhead> shonudo: my longest offroad/singletrack day was about 30 miles and i was _wiped_ out.
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[23:31] <shonudo> hackedhead: yeah, a little offroad goes a long way
[23:31] <pi31416> hackedhead that sounds like fun
[23:31] <shonudo> 30miles is impressive
[23:31] <hackedhead> indeed
[23:31] <hackedhead> shonudo: we were biking and camping in the white mountains
[23:31] <alisonken1home> we have a guy that bikes to work - 15-20 miles each way
[23:31] <alisonken1home> but he's a hard-core biker :)
[23:31] <hackedhead> alisonken1home: nice.
[23:31] <pi31416> i would be more in the mood for logging roads
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[23:31] <hackedhead> alisonken1home: i'm moving in june, and i'm planing on doing a 4-5 miles commute on my bike
[23:32] <alisonken1home> unfortunately, I live about 45 miles from the office, so biking would be a little tough for me :)
[23:32] <dchmelik> Have you ever heard of my Tron bike?  It can make 0.5 past lightspeed, and I have done the Kessel run in less than five parsecs!
[23:32] <hackedhead> shonudo: it was awesome, but it was a full 8 hour day.
[23:32] <pi31416> my only fear about logging roads is the sharp turns.. a truck coming around one of those would win every time
[23:32] <hackedhead> pi31416: i'd imagine you;d _hear_ it long beforehand
[23:32] <alisonken1home> yes - I've seen the movie and played the game. I remember when it came out even. Walter Cronkite had a special on the special effects used in Tron
[23:33] <pi31416> dchmelik: yes yes yes
[23:33] <alisonken1home> dchmelik, ^^^
[23:35] <WildWizard> I could do 30 miles from my place on a pushy without breaking a sweat .... did I mention I live on a 600M tall mountain?
[23:35] <pi31416> does the M stand for meter or...?
[23:36] <WildWizard> meter, I'm a metric guy in a metric country
[23:36] <shonudo> ;)... a "metric country" -- too funny
[23:36] <pi31416> i thought m stood for meter
[23:36] <shonudo> has anyone told the country?
[23:36] <dchmelik> I am a metric guy in a metric space.
[23:37] <alisonken1home> M=meter m=multiple meanings depending on context
[23:38] <pi31416> it must be a US thing, i have seen m=meter in several contexts
[23:38] <shonudo> i'm a worried guy in an oily country...
[23:38] <hackedhead> shonudo: =(((
[23:38] <hackedhead> that sucks
[23:39] <shonudo> and they (BP) failed at this last attempt to cap the leak
[23:39] <shonudo> i'll be this will still be going on come september
[23:39] <WildWizard> haha oil ... we had the same thing with a rig leaking only problem was no one lived anywhere near the area so the media reported it about once a month
[23:39] <hackedhead> shonudo: really, i hadn't heard the latest
[23:39] <hackedhead> the topkill failed?
[23:39] <shonudo> yup
[23:39] <shonudo> it failed
[23:39] <shonudo> be/bet*
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[23:40] <shonudo> WildWizard, we have a lot of people and a lot at stake on this one
[23:41] <pi31416> shonudo: what do you mean by a lot of people?
[23:41] <shonudo> lol
[23:41] <shonudo> okay, rephrase...
[23:41] <shonudo> a lot of coastline
[23:41] <shonudo> vacationers are people, no?
[23:41] <pi31416> ok, in other words it could displace a lot of people?
[23:41] <hackedhead> pi31416: not displace, destroy their livelihood
[23:42] <hackedhead> pi31416: for the next several years
[23:42] <pi31416> how do you do that without displacing them?
[23:42] <hackedhead> well, it's not as if their houses fell down (this time)
[23:42] <shonudo> fishing industry down there is a big part of the economy
[23:43] <shonudo> that area just doesn't seem to get a break
[23:43] <hackedhead> indeed
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[23:45] <pi31416> sadly, i doubt this will get as much attention as the 9/11 attacks
[23:45] <pi31416> i say sadly because i think it is comparatively more serious
[23:45] <shonudo> probably be forgotten the day it's capped (except by those who live there)
[23:46] <pi31416> i saw an article that said the US government was still giving out drilling permits
[23:46] <shonudo> i thought there was a moratorium on that
[23:46] <shonudo> not sure
[23:46] <pi31416> there was, but it was only on new wells
[23:47] <Urchlay> well... if I run someone over with my car, should the government enact a moratorium on issuing new drivers licenses?
[23:47] <pi31416> if it is not developing a new well, then keep on drilling
[23:47] <alisonken1home> I believe the moratorium was on >where< the drilling permits were for, not necessarily all drilling
[23:47] <pi31416> Urchlay: can your car take out a coast?
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[23:48] <Urchlay> the current mess, is it because the drilling wasn't done properly, or because drilling is inherently bad? (and if we don't drill for oil, where shall we get oil?)
[23:48] <pi31416> alisonken1home: and the new permits are in the gulf of mexico
[23:48] <Urchlay> pi31416: I wish :)
[23:48] <pi31416> Urchlay, it is because our old wells are not productive and we are going after oil that we are only now developing the technology to get
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[23:49] <Urchlay> ah. So the tech is unproven, still has bugs to be worked out?
[23:49] <pi31416> yes, and when things go wrong, they go wrong worse
[23:49] <Urchlay> yeah
[23:49] <pi31416> wait till we start mining the solar system
[23:49] <Urchlay> wish we'd hurry up & start
[23:49] <pi31416> oops, we didn't mean to knock that asteroid into australia
[23:49] <Urchlay> I want off this rock
[23:49] <alisonken1home> when things go wrong, they _really_ go wrong :)
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[23:50] <pi31416> but in 25 years there will be a brilliant new coral reef
[23:50] <eldragon> Satanas is born today, new world since today.
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[23:50] <Urchlay> who? carlos santana?
[23:51] <eldragon> happy 40 days
[23:51] <eldragon> since the smoke
[23:52] <Urchlay> all you prophets of doom have been predicting the end of the world since before writing was invented, and you've all been wrong every time... despite the dire signs & portents, the world didn't end any of those times you guys said it would
[23:53] <shonudo> Did you know that on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero?
[23:53] <eldragon> our minds are bothered in the presence of Satanas
[23:53] <pi31416> Urchlay: remember when electricity was going to be free because of nuclear power?  and the work week was going to be 15 hours.  and we would have flying cars?
[23:53] <shonudo> sorry, fight club moment
[23:53] <pi31416> what happened?
[23:53] <Urchlay> pi31416: eh, I didn't believe that stuff either
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[23:53] <raela> I find it amusing to play chrono trigger and see their idea of the year 2000 :)
[23:54] <Urchlay> altough I do wish the flying car part had come true
[23:54] <raela> living in domes
[23:54] <pi31416> we got fertilizer, antibiotics, and sanitary water, and the first 2 are starting to peter out
[23:54] <guax> hey guys
[23:54] <guax> raela, and possible girl
[23:54] <raela> :) hey guax
[23:54] <Urchlay> (that, or just replace cars with helicopters)
[23:54] <eldragon> 20 10 04 20 <-- it's the combination key for the catastrophe
[23:54] <pi31416> why oh why couldn't they make more games like CT?
[23:54] <Urchlay> raela's only a possible girl? like schroedinger's cat is only possibly dead?
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[23:55] <pi31416> nobody is a girl on irc, not even the girls
[23:55] <eldragon> 20 10 05 30 <-- it's the combination key for the Satan rebirth.
[23:55] <raela> Urchlay: depends on how much faith you put in the internet, I guess
[23:55] <raela> pi31416: don't know.. has great replay value
[23:55] <Urchlay> eh, I tend to take people at their word unless/until they prove otherwise
[23:56] <Urchlay> (occasionally I get ripped off or whatever, but I also have made friends with some interesting but odd people that way too)
[23:56] <guax> Urchlay, internet is serious business you cant be certain of much thing =P
[23:56] <raela> yeah.. even if people are lying.. shrug. in most cases, it doesn't harm much
[23:56] <Urchlay> welcome to IRC, where the men are real men, the women are real men, and the little kids are FBI agents
[23:56] <shonudo> lol
[23:56] <eldragon> the apocalypse can't be stopped with cement in the well
[23:57] <pi31416> The hilarious thing about FBI agents is that they tend to catch executive types.
[23:57] <eldragon> the FBI agents are worse that any director
[23:58] <guax> eldragon, hey, we are nice. er.... i mean, they are nice
[23:58] <guax> im a little girl btw
[23:58] <eldragon> the FBI agents are slaves of the system
[23:58] <Urchlay> oh, give it a rest
[23:58] <pi31416> eldragon: how come a predator is more likely to be a top dog at Disney rather than a creepy guy in a basement?
[23:59] <Urchlay> "doom, gloom, end of the world"... even if it's 100% true, what good is it going to do for you to yammer on about it?
[23:59] <raela> perhaps the guy in the basement just doesn't want to leave
[23:59] <eldragon> pi31416, any bitter dog is a predator
[23:59] <Urchlay> in fact, so far, eldragon hasn't really passed my brain's internal Turing test (I'm not convinced he's not a bot)
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