[00:00] agentc0re: haha, wow. [00:00] two surgery's and a couple weeks later, i have a fully functional thumb. [00:00] agentc0re: awesome story [00:00] complete feeling and all. [00:00] BP{k} is that something I could add manually? [00:01] BP{k}: yum.. this sake is good. :P [00:01] agentc0re: any lasting after effects? [00:01] from the incident? [00:01] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [00:02] hitest: i have a scar on the top of my hand behind my thumb... you can feel my heart beat there now.. it's weird. [00:02] agentc0re: bastard :) [00:02] you were lucky you kept the thumb [00:02] BP{k}: it's Kikusui Junmai Ginjo, if you'd like to try it. [00:02] agentc0re: you're suppose to feel your heart beat there, right behind your thumb by that tendon. [00:03] so, I regret to inform you, that's normal. :P [00:03] perhaps you should ge your other humb checked ou by a doctor [00:03] fire|bird: never been able to on my other hand. [00:03] *thumb, out [00:03] agentc0re: I can on both hands. [00:03] one of you needs to see a doctor [00:03] agentc0re: maybe the *non* injured hand is dead. :P [00:03] I nearly lost a thumb to stupid pyrotechnics. [00:04] fire|bird: maybe it's just more intense on that hand because of the surgery and what was removed in that spot? [00:04] fire|bird: i am a zombie after all. [00:04] judging by my own pulses, agentc0re needs the doctor [00:04] agentc0re: that is possible. [00:04] Have a nice three in scar to show for the idiocy.' [00:04] chee: pulses? you should only have one pulse, you can just feel it in different spots. :P [00:05] i prefer to think of them as separate pulses [00:05] and you say WE need a doctor. :P [00:05] agentc0re: hm I will keep a look out for that. :) And sake and japanese food on sunday :D [00:05] jjohnson (n=jjohnson@75.135.65.74) joined ##slackware. [00:05] they are all instances of the HeartBeat class [00:05] other two scars at about 6-8 inches long. one on my foot and one on my arm, where they had to remove stuff to replace what i lost in my thumb. i have no idea what that stuff was though. [00:06] agentc0re: oh, just bones, tendons, etc. :P [00:06] left_tendon_pulse = new HeartBeat() [00:06] BP{k}: Ohhh, susui? or just japanese in general? [00:06] nothing major. [00:06] how can I assign ip-up/ip-down to /etc/peers/con_name ? [00:06] stygian (i=stygian@70.129.230.119) joined ##slackware. [00:06] i don't know what mac- is asking [00:06] fire|bird: lucky for me, the rope when under the joint. just tore everything. and if it wasn't for the seatbelt, that rope would have gotten my whole hand. [00:07] agentc0re: yeah, very lucky indeed. [00:07] agentc0re: japanese in general, but some sushi might be involved :) [00:07] agentc0re: you have all that you need to write a novel. [00:07] chee: I have two connection configuration, first ppp to Internet by GSM modem and second ppp to VPN network [00:07] mmmm sushi [00:08] BP{k}: Unagi.... yummm.... [00:08] Action: chee cannot help :( [00:08] agentc0re: btw, how is that sake cold? [00:08] BP{k}: i've never chilled it. always drank it warm. [00:09] they just busted a japanese restuarant nearby with a deer (road kill) in the fridge.. I knew that teryaki beef tasted good... they serves sake in plastic cups!!! [00:09] agentc0re: ahh .. I had some good sake that is nice cold :) [00:10] that's how lilo died [00:11] has been killed with a car! [00:11] winter: the car or the grubs on the carcass? [00:12] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-74-161.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [00:12] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:12] doesn't matter [00:13] qiqer (n=malajove@121.1.54.50) joined ##slackware. [00:13] .. [00:13] how do i get flashplayer installed? [00:13] stygian (i=stygian@70.129.230.119) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:13] qiqer: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [00:13] copy it to mozillas plugin directory [00:14] it's somewhere in the abyss of /usr [00:14] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [00:15] maciuszek (n=maciusze@i209-195-74-161.cia.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] first time i've seen that question answered with a straightforward answer [00:15] Action: chee is quite impressed [00:16] What was the question [00:16] who's the biggest loser evar [00:16] and everyone answered veritos [00:16] Action: chee burrrrrrrrn [00:17] I will admit that I at one point used Debian. [00:17] i'll admit to LIKING debian [00:17] Action: chee locks antlers with veritos [00:18] epaphus (n=unix3@201.199.62.74) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:18] you 2 in a box of nachos, priceless [00:19] the person who told me that Bjarne's The C++ Programming Language was only reference material [00:19] was the wrongest person I've ever met [00:20] that's relative [00:20] and not ok imo [00:20] your mother's relative [00:20] For anyone wanting to learn C, I'm finding "C for Dummies" by Dan Gookin quite good. [00:20] chee: foad [00:20] :) [00:20] nono [00:20] i meant [00:20] K&R is a good book too [00:20] she's your relative [00:20] she's your mother! [00:21] oh, k. [00:21] and i'm sure she's a lovely lady and she makes a good cup of tea [00:21] hgyt (n=hgyt@c-98-244-134-136.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:21] I think I first learned C out of a little spiral bound thing from AT&T. [00:21] can someone look at my sensors output and tell me if my fans are running fast enough ;) http://jjjacer.pastebin.com/m42f37c44 [00:21] K&R is a very very good book [00:21] I've picked up a bit from "C Programming in the Berkely Unix Environment" but it seems to be aimed more at those already basically familiar with it - it's more of a reference IMO. [00:21] hey, caoliver : i learnt it first from a spiral bound thing from BT! [00:22] Plus Nehrain Gehani's book on C. [00:22] they are our convicted communications monopolist! [00:22] so our origins are similar [00:22] it was a big folder that was given to BT Employees for learning C [00:22] For ref I have Harbison and Steel lying around here somewhere. I try to pretend that C++ and Java don't exist. [00:22] by father gave it to me [00:23] haha, cao [00:23] someone there using compiz with intel graphics? [00:23] I'm at university and our C class is taught by a guy with a 34 your old beard. [00:23] acidtripper, yup, and it's peachy. [00:23] greybeards are knowledgeable [00:23] couse it got laggy when i run it [00:23] Well after playing with Lisp CLOS and Smalltalk, C++/Java makes me want to hurl. [00:23] i have an ati graphics card, and i can't use compiz [00:23] gets* [00:24] i can use the xfce compositing, though [00:24] but xfce composition is quite different [00:24] thats compiz [00:24] veritos: This guy? http://ozguru.mu.nu/Photos/2005-11-11--Dilbert_Unix.jpg [00:25] i'll fight anyman who says it is, mancha [00:25] it is, you can research compiz a bit :) [00:25] caoliver, ours doesn't do suspenders [00:25] mancha: xfce has it's own compositing, but all it really does is add window shadows and transparancy. [00:25] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.51.224) joined ##slackware. [00:26] The one at my school didn't do suspenders either. [00:26] Xfce compositing is based on XRender and Compiz and so on is OpenGL. Isn't that it? [00:26] But he had root and an occasionally prickly disposition. [00:26] the professor I took C from was clueless, thank god for K&R [00:27] i do compiz --replace emerald --replace [00:27] in my college library, I found K&R sitting there abandoned and alone [00:27] and it didn't run emeralnd and hangs [00:27] i took it under my wing and cared for it [00:27] http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/notkin/ for a pic of mine, caoliver [00:27] acidtripper: do you have emerald installed? [00:28] let me see [00:28] o.o [00:28] veritos: UW student? [00:28] neonflux, yes [00:28] neonflux, you from here? [00:28] veritos: I'm an alum :) [00:28] yup [00:29] s/alum/alumni/ [00:29] someone from wisconsin? [00:29] jjohnson, nah, washington [00:29] lol [00:29] not waterloo, either [00:29] maybe i have tu change compiz launcher, and install emerald :P [00:29] and then see what happends, [00:30] that's one wild beard [00:30] veritos: the glasses. Mine had coke bottles too. WOnder if they come from a special planet. [00:30] nght all [00:30] night hitest [00:30] night [00:30] 'nite. [00:30] bye [00:30] i don't trust you [00:30] haha [00:30] veritos, thats not you!!! [00:31] night fire|bird, caoliver [00:31] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) left irc: "Leaving" [00:31] acidtripper, that's not me, that's my prof [00:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:31] ah :P [00:32] i cant find any slackbuild for emerald [00:32] i must compile it [00:32] which is correct? i will have to build it or, i must build it? [00:33] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [00:33] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:33] install the emerald from slacky.eu [00:34] winter: ? [00:35] anyone else from wisconsin here? [00:36] i couldn't find the source [00:36] Where's wisconsin? [00:36] USA [00:36] somewhere north of chicago [00:36] oh ok [00:36] East of Minnesota and West of Michigan. ;) [00:37] theres no emerald pkg there [00:37] ckt1g3r [00:37] I drove through there on my way to Canada to do some fishing a few times [00:37] in the center north of the US ^^ [00:37] felipe (n=felipe@my.nada.kth.se) joined ##slackware. [00:37] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:37] there's an emerald pkg in chicago [00:37] rworkman, c for dummies, 2nd edition? [00:37] acidtripper: It's on slackbuilds.org, 12.2 [00:38] anyone here on gsb? [00:38] ok, but i cant even find source [00:38] in compiz web page are only pkgs [00:38] any source there [00:38] jg71: there's no "2nd Edition" reference on it. It says "6 Books in 1" and is (c) 2004 [00:38] acidtripper: acidtripper: It's on slackbuilds.org, 12.2 [00:38] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=compiz&sv=12.2 [00:39] rworkman, ah ok. the quick ebook search turned up that 2nd edition thingy, ill have to check [00:39] yes, but its an old version [00:39] 0.9 at these moment [00:39] jg71: ISBN is 0-7645-7069-2 [00:39] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:39] there im in the directory [00:40] http://releases.compiz-fusion.org [00:40] then get the slackbuilds.org slackbuild, the latest source, edit the slackbuild as necessary, and try it. [00:41] the latest on the site you just gave is 0.8.4, not 0.9 [00:41] author matches, "my" isbn is 0-7645-7068-4 [00:41] So far, it's nothing "groundbreaking" that I've learned from it -- basically, I've learned enough on my own (from hacking at existing code) to be dangerous, so what I'm getting from the book so far is a better understanding of what I had previously done :) [00:41] yes, what i don't know is if it's necessary any other app, as ccsm, compiz-bcop extra backend [00:41] i don't know how pat compiles compiz pkg [00:41] compiled* [00:42] uh oh, watch out everyone, rworkman is dangerous. :P [00:42] 411 pages ... i need a vacation [00:42] Action: chee watches the fuck out [00:42] This one has around 800 :) [00:42] hehe @ part 3 ... giving your programs the ability to run amok. niiice [00:43] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.58.164) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:43] ill keep looking for the real deal then, this looks like fun too tho [00:43] fan2: 19014 RPM [00:44] jjohnson: hold on, you're about ready for takeoff. :P [00:44] Well, I'm old (relatively speaking), so I don't have the time now to just sit and learn it all in a couple of weeks (oh, to be young and single again). [00:44] it's not that i start from scratch, it's worse. ive done asm, basic, pascal. [00:44] hehehe [00:44] mid 30s here [00:44] rworkman, i'm young and single and doing something just like that [00:45] jg71: yeah, 32 here :/ [00:45] chee: good for you. Soak up as much as you can now - it gets worse. [00:45] rworkman: 32 .. you young one ;) [00:45] BP{k}: haha [00:45] i was already quite good with c, but now i'm reading bjarne's c++ book and having my thought processes changed [00:45] It's all downhill from there. [00:45] my life has always been up hill [00:46] i'm made of butterflies and magic [00:46] fire, xfce uses compiz :) [00:46] learning object oriented programming always changes your perspectives ^^ [00:46] I was out of college, working, and married before I stumbled on unix, so I started out below the curve. Catching up has been a hell of a ride though :) [00:46] mancha: you mean xfce compositing uses compiz? dang, I didn't know that. [00:46] Trouble is that OO means different things depending on who you ask. [00:46] xfce has its own compositor - it doesn't use compiz [00:47] rworkman: that's what I thought, and what I said earlier. It doesn't do much, but it's there. [00:47] witukind, i explained the reason the jewish aren't allowed to write 'God' in object oriented concepts [00:48] Xfce menu ---> Settings ---> Window Manager Tweaks ---> Compositor tab. [00:48] heh i have no idea what that means, but it sounded witty [00:48] chee: ^^ [00:48] lol [00:48] because its a tab doesn't mean its not compiz :) [00:48] Action: chee locks antlers with antlers! [00:48] rworkman: do you know how compiz package had been built? [00:48] http://mumble.net/~jar/articles/oo.html [00:49] acidtripper, I suppose that you cuold look at the SlackBuild for it [00:49] mancha: true, but now I'm curious, where's proof that it does use compiz? :P [00:49] well at least my pc sounds like it will take off, i have a total of 10 fans in it 5 of them are on, 3 of them are at full speed (19000rpm) [00:49] Ambiguities in the meaning of OO. [00:49] couse i dont know what more i have to build [00:49] 1U rack mount cases can be noisy [00:49] chee, if I remember well hardcore christians aren't allowed to utter the real name of their god "YHVH" (Jehova), but anyway I didn't get the joke with OO programing :) [00:50] well, it wasn't a joke as it stood [00:50] somebody asked me why they couldn't [00:50] and i explained that God is an ADT, and when they say or write God [00:50] they are actually instantiating a God object [00:50] didn't loaded... maybe i have to compile all compiz and emerald and then see [00:50] which can be destroyed, and is therefore illegal [00:50] and remvoe pat's package [00:51] Any known reason why Compiz's SlackBuild is not in the source tree? [00:51] chee, strange concept :) [00:51] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:51] more importantly, does anyone know why buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo? [00:52] as i see is only compiz without plugins, what pat built [00:52] chee, do you know who was Witukind? [00:52] no, i do not\ [00:52] aha, GSB has been installed [00:52] chee, he was a guy who said "I'd rather burn in hell with my ancestor than go to heaven with your god" :D [00:53] please bare all and bear with me while i swich from KDE to Gnome [00:53] aha, quite a fellow [00:53] ! [00:53] wish me duck [00:53] gnome on slack? [00:53] dropline project continue alive? [00:54] gnome slackbuild is what he's talking about [00:54] GSB [00:54] Duck! [00:54] that is what i'm talking about [00:54] acidtripper: There's dropline, gsb, and gware [00:54] mancha: remove compiz and watch it still work :) [00:55] lol [00:55] acidtripper: it's built as part of the x11 series. [00:55] KDE won't let me leave! [00:55] Os should I say "good duck." [00:55] release me, KDE! [00:55] s/Os/or/ [00:55] chee: yes it will, c'mon, switch to xfce, I know you can. :P [00:55] yes dropline and gware i used it on 10.2... i can't remember when pat took out gnome from slack what it was when i tried dropline [00:55] worked ok, but lot of problems with libs [00:55] i'm switching to gnome, honey [00:55] speaking of xfce, how do you make the calendar appear on the panel automatically? [00:55] honey? wtf [00:55] lololol [00:56] Action: chee brbz [00:56] and it was on 10.2? or 11? [00:56] would you prefer corn syrup? [00:56] i remeber fist slack i tried started with gnome [00:56] 10.2 is the last gnome that I'm aware of [00:56] yay it's working [00:56] mancha: You mean orage? [00:56] yar [00:56] so i used it on 11 [00:56] mancha: Good question. It used to work fine by starting it and saving the session, but since (I dont' recall exactly), it doesn't always work that way [00:56] mancha: auto start orage, or just use the orage clock instead of the normal clock [00:56] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:56] Well, maybe it does for BP{k} [00:57] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [00:57] alisonken1home, no, 10.2 didn't have gnome [00:57] not orage clock, orage calendar :) [00:57] mancha, do you by clicking on the time applet? [00:57] I just use orage clock, click it to show calendar, and then it stays there all the time. [00:57] *do you mean [00:57] does gsb setup gnome in "good" conditions? [00:58] heh what the hell does that even mean? [00:58] acidtripper: according to reviews, yes. Never tried it though [00:58] hrmm, interesting. i always bring it up via settings->calendar (and i never save sessions - i wish there were a way w/o saving sessions) [00:59] Anybody know why when I do enable xfce compositing, the terminal becomes non-transparent, when it was transparent before enabling compositing? [00:59] mancha: you can add it to your autostart list [00:59] rworkman: i have to build each compiz package separate? [00:59] rwork, i guess i'll do that... [00:59] acidtripper: yes [00:59] you need to futz with opacity i imagine [01:00] ok, and versions must be the same? couse i tried to start compiz 0.7.8 with emeral 0.8.4, and didn't work [01:00] well that 1tb copy from drive to drive that i bitched about last night in 30mins away from being done :) [01:00] Action: witukind is building a system to compete with RPM but all shell script and outputing slackware packages [01:00] if you have no compositing then the transparency you htought you saw was a background artifact (i.e. a redraw of the background only) [01:00] s/in/is [01:01] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:01] mancha: true, but it used to be that when I enabled xfce compositing, it remained transparent, now it doesn't. [01:02] are you talking about xfce's terminal app? and setting the background pref to "transparent" ? [01:02] Transparency still works here [01:02] like that ^ [01:03] I need help with something really really annoying now.... o_o [01:04] on my eeepc, I cannot use the touchpad as a button or well, tap [01:04] whatever you want to call it [01:04] which also means I cannot select D: [01:04] prolly need some synaptics options kung fu [01:05] probably [01:05] that's lame though D: [01:05] matsuura: does the touchpad have real buttons attached? [01:05] yes [01:05] those work [01:05] That's why. [01:05] lies [01:05] the good news is that that's just bad defaults, not an actual issue with drivers and such. [01:05] my touchpad on all nof my other laptops work fine D: [01:05] Upstream disabled tap-to-click by default on all hardware that has real buttons. [01:05] excuse me? [01:05] Upstream disabled tap-to-click by default on all hardware that has real buttons. [01:05] ... >_> [01:05] matsuura: you can set touchpad stuff using synclient [01:06] synclient TapButton1=1 [01:06] have no idea how that all works [01:06] oh snap [01:06] man synclient [01:06] mancha: yeah, xfce terminal. [01:06] :) [01:06] And fwiw, that a *sane* default. [01:06] that handles real time, you can stuff it in your .conf or .fdi (pick your poison) [01:06] er, that *is* a sane default [01:06] what is this craziness? Whatever happened to xorgconfig? [01:06] Action: godling concurs with rworkman [01:06] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@123.120.157.51) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:06] Action: godling concurs with rworkman again [01:07] using the same xorg.conf as another one of my boxes (or the synaptics part) [01:07] hey, how do you do a r-click on a synaptics pad? [01:07] tap-to-click always messed me up, it would think i had clicked at times i didn't; pissed me off [01:07] works fine on that box, not on the other.. [01:07] matsuura, see http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Touchpad_Synaptics#Configuration_via_HAL_policy_.28hotplugging_enabled.2C_recommended.29 [01:07] Action: godling quits reading the news before he surrenders to a violent episode of vigilantism. [01:07] Legendre, follow that same link [01:07] archlinux? [01:07] lol [01:08] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [01:08] matsuura, that was the first result that had an answer that works. [01:08] Yes, we let Gentoo and Arch write the docs while they're waiting on stuff to compile. [01:08] chee: kde let you out? :P [01:08] (in google) [01:08] weird, I just dropped in and asked a random Q.. and you were already discussing it, wth lol [01:08] it did! [01:08] rworkman, that was brilliant [01:08] veritos: eh, yeah.. Like I said, I don't know synaptics... [01:09] Legendre: We're either psychic or we are watching you. [01:09] nor if that actually applies to how slack is set up [01:09] does anyone else have the odd problem that the Molecules screensaver just causes complete HANG [01:09] ? [01:09] godling: I think you're psycho, you have espn [01:09] take it to ##chemistry please [01:09] lol sfu mancha [01:09] heh [01:09] *stfu [01:09] chee: no, I've not seen that. [01:09] t fail :( [01:09] chee: are you talking about the xscreensaver molecule screensaver? [01:10] chee: if it is hanging it might be an opengl problem [01:10] yes, godling , i am [01:10] can you run glxgears ok? [01:10] it's the only opengl one that does [01:10] hrm, I don't know [01:10] although, i also can't run fusion [01:10] I used to see that on my old T41 with an ancient ati card, and it was almost surely a driver issue. Most things were with that card. [01:10] Action: veritos tries to beat CMake into submission [01:10] it's happened, not only on this computer [01:10] and not only on slackware [01:10] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "leaving" [01:10] it happened on a laptop i had [01:10] why burn power and cpu cycles? use a black-screen screensaver and save trees [01:10] veritos: brave men have tried and failed [01:11] hmm, i have an ancient ati card [01:11] mancha: ++ [01:11] "old" laptops are anyway considered irrelevant by Linux kernel devs [01:11] mancha -- [01:11] Stupid Wesnoth changed their build system since the last SlackBuild, so I get the joyful task of making it work. [01:11] mancha: I have baby seal slippers. [01:11] isn't that the opposite of the old Linuxphilosophy [01:12] the 'even Abraham's computer shall be supported' philosophy [01:12] every day I get new furniture made from styrofoam, and throw the old stuff out by the train tracks [01:12] veritos: they changed it from 16.4 -> 1.6.5? [01:12] BP{k}, nah, to 1.7 [01:12] my hair smells real nice [01:12] Action: chee sniffs delightedly [01:12] veritos: ah :) [01:12] chee: wtf? [01:13] just keeping you updated on technical matters [01:13] chee: Please leave your fetishes out of ##Slackware. [01:13] I have a 4/5 year old Toshiba laptop, and I'm still waiting to be able to read the temperature of the CPU without having to install some out of kernel module [01:13] Well, bedtime for me. Have fun and g'night all [01:13] witukind: use your finger [01:13] Night [01:13] later rworkman [01:13] Or I'll have to start talking about my new underware. [01:13] s/ware/wear/ [01:14] 'nite, rw. [01:14] godling, by the time I use my finger the laptop decided to call it quits, I had to open the whole fucking thing and clean up the fan before it started to behave half nicely, and then the hard drive died :D [01:15] veritos: heh, I remember when wesnoth was a "decent small program" [01:15] ok, so abd news, i accidently deleted /usr [01:15] aha, i just looked this problem up on the googlenet [01:15] what do i do? [01:15] witukind: So you're saying you no longer have the need to find out the temperature? Glad it helped! ;) [01:15] Reticenti, reinstall? [01:15] and i see that many other people with the same ancient ati card have the precise trouble [01:15] :'=( [01:15] godling, hahahaha, well until next time :D [01:16] lol reticenti [01:16] Reticenti: bad move! [01:16] yeah :( [01:16] lol [01:16] :{ [01:16] Reticenti: restore from backups? [01:16] i was trying to move something into it, but i accidently deleted it isntead [01:16] of course you had it all backed up, rite [01:16] "I didn't backup" [01:16] Reticenti: you could try using "upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new " [01:17] isn't upgradepkg in /usr? [01:17] chee: no. [01:17] upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new --if-there-is-a-god [01:17] doesnt do anything lol [01:17] FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU [01:17] :'[ [01:17] Reticenti: *sigh* nevermind ... go reinstall .. [01:17] haha [01:17] Ret, sorry to hear that....back up your personal stuff and reintall [01:17] Reticenti: you're hosed! :P [01:17] stick hard disk in freezer for 3hrs and make sure to try and prevent condonsation [01:17] Action: chee comforts reticenti with cheery words and cocodamol [01:18] at least i have /home on a seperate partition [01:18] Reticenti: it is possible to recover from that, but .. it would require a certain ammount of clue. [01:18] godling, I paid some fucking 200 euros to get the laptop fixed because the power inlet was broken, so I ain't giving up on it just now [01:18] then shove it in you laptop, hope the f it works and if lucky back it up [01:18] witukind: lappies have a way of collection dust bunnies. [01:18] this is the command i tried to do btw [01:18] you can get new laptop for 200 Euros! [01:18] mv -t games /usr [01:18] i thought that would mvoe games into usr [01:18] instead, it deleted usr [01:19] I tend to use a vac to suck them out of the intake if I see the temp starting to rise for known loads. [01:19] witukind: eek, that's a lot [01:19] vacuum is horrible for that [01:19] It works. [01:19] do you have a "games" directory now? [01:19] nope [01:19] godling: explain. [01:19] I mean it's bad for the hardware, caoliver [01:19] btw hard disk in freezer does work but only 20% of the time and you got about 30min to get it backed up when it does. after that there is no second chances [01:19] are you certain? [01:19] Yeah. Opening the lap seems to be a greater risk. [01:20] oh [01:20] usr is still here [01:20] So again... explain. [01:20] inside games? [01:20] yeah [01:20] caoliver, most not like this Toshiba laptop, I didn't buy it my father gave it to me when his Windows XP was too full of spyware. And he was starting to have issues with overheating, so I fixed the damn thing. And I'm hoping to use it one day since it does have a a 3.2 Ghz clocked CPU, which is way better than what I'm sending messages with now. [01:20] there you go, just move it back [01:20] :D [01:21] Action: chee gets out the soft beers and party cats ! [01:21] mancha: nice catch. :) [01:21] :| [01:21] mv games/usr /usr or sommit [01:21] mv doesnt exist [01:21] whats the path to mv? [01:21] *bin [01:21] Reticenti: /bin/mv [01:21] oops [01:21] Ah. Haven't had any overheating issues yet. [01:21] games/usr/bin/mv games/usr /usr [01:21] woo, everyhintgs back to noraml [01:21] :D [01:21] though i'd use cp instead [01:21] =D [01:22] Action: chee celebrates with Reticenti [01:22] just in case, then you can rm the games/usr stuf after /usr is back [01:22] Action: chee offers Reticenti a fresh cold beard [01:22] Action: veritos slaps self and remembers to say ARCH=x86_64 on SBo SlackBuilds [01:22] Action: chee slaps veritos [01:22] BP{k} :) [01:22] mmm beards [01:22] let's all slap him [01:22] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:22] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Action: chee is sorry. [01:23] Godling: incidentally, I have had this box open before when I went from a t5550 to a t8100, and I know enough about the quirks, that I'd rather chance the air as the path from the heatsink grill to the entry is straight. There's plent to f--- up opening the case. [01:23] I was just dodging! [01:23] Action: chee slaps veritos [01:23] no for some reason amarok wont paly music.. [01:23] no soudn [01:23] Reticenti: turn the speakers up. :P [01:23] Reticenti, check that both PCM and master are enabled? [01:23] use alsamixer, not the KDE tools [01:23] qiqer (n=malajove@121.1.54.50) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:23] Ret, you're a bundle of trouble, aren't you! :) [01:24] sorry for the delay, some idiot is honking their horn at 10:22pm [01:24] caoliver, unfortunately this laptop is famous for overheating... but anyway I fixed that after an afternoon of dismembering it. What still puzzles me, is that when I sent it to Toshiba for repair (and they actually said they replaced the whole damn motherboard on the thing) they didn't clean up the fans at the same time... [01:24] mancha: always :) [01:24] Reticenti: you should go buy mancha a beer. [01:24] caoliver: vacuum cleaners generally cause static electricity [01:24] yht (n=Administ@118.96.121.225) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:24] caoliver: if you're very very careful you could be ok [01:24] but I wouldn't risk it, especially not with a laptop [01:24] godling: explain. [01:25] yht (n=Administ@118.96.121.225) joined ##slackware. [01:25] I'd agree if you were putting the plastic tip IN the machine. I don't see the air doing so though. [01:25] hmm, weird, now sound works [01:25] Can you site credible info? [01:25] probably something to do with my moving usr around [01:26] caoliver: http://science.howstuffworks.com/static-electricity-info.htm [01:26] :P [01:26] Action: witukind always cleans his PCs with the vacuum cleaner and never had any problems for over 5 years. [01:27] jjohnson (n=jjohnson@75.135.65.74) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:27] same here but mileage does vary [01:28] what is vacuum cleaner? [01:28] I did take physics a long while back. I do know what static charges are. I don't see how air flow rather than insulator against insulator friction would induce that. [01:28] Hence explain. [01:28] Oh. [01:29] I still have a P166 that I cleaned many times with the vacuum cleaner, and I used that as my router. It worked with Slackware 9 for 4 years with frequent power outages. The motherboard was made by Shuttle. [01:29] But I suspect that you're still not going to see any worse than with regular air current. [01:29] vacuum cleaner is aspirador [01:29] So. [01:29] but is plastic, thats true, how that can generate static? [01:29] acidchild, aspirateur auf Französich :p [01:30] acidtripper! [01:30] My point. [01:30] I think your point is on the top of your head. :P [01:30] I did think that the air was the insulator, and there could be static there, but this should be minute. [01:31] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:31] do you clean your laptop with vacuum? [01:31] its better with compressed air i think [01:31] It's like my good old Amstrad PC1512: Good hardware never dies! [01:31] No. I vacuum via the air intake. [01:31] acidtripper, i clean my penix with a vacuum [01:31] i clean my laptop fan exhausts with a vacuum cleaner [01:31] jeev: I didn't know they had attachments that small. [01:31] No. That would blow the dust bunnies INTO the machine. [01:31] mancha: exactly. [01:32] I would not take a vacuum to the innards of a machine. [01:32] lol, while you see erotic pages? [01:32] godling, they have small attachment but mine needs lube to fit into the actual intake.. yes i know, it's giant. 8 inches around [01:32] It doesn't blow, it sucks. [01:32] i use those pressurize air canister things for the innards [01:32] I have those around from photography. [01:33] Who needs to look at erotic pages except those who don't do erotic things enough [01:33] i also use them when i have a bad hair day [01:33] like jeev [01:33] I just wear a hat. [01:33] i have girlfriend :P [01:34] Sex is like everything else, once you do it too often, it's boring as hell [01:34] who uses a hoover to masturb* [01:34] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [01:34] crazy people [01:34] it depends, [01:34] I always tell that to my wife [01:34] not boring for me yet [01:34] and i'm married haha [01:34] I prefer a table saw. [01:34] if you take it as a routine [01:34] witukind: Maybe you're doing it wrong. [01:34] maybe you don't know howto doit :P [01:34] godling, I'm not doing it wrong obviously, because I'm bored about it [01:35] just need to install a swing in the basement [01:35] maybe you should change it for a sossage [01:35] http://www.asylum.com/2008/03/31/no-picnic-man-charged-with-screwing-a-patio-table/ [01:35] basement? [01:35] or a huege deodorant [01:35] that's godling [01:36] godling, some people have those [01:36] as far as I'm concerned now, sex is overratted [01:36] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:36] mann [01:36] i don't want to hear this [01:36] that's truely what I think [01:37] jeev: It's been longer than that since I got some. [01:37] but you can't say that before you've been oversexed [01:37] I wouldn't go outside naked. I would scare people. [01:37] honestly, my gf wants to fuck more than I do [01:38] mm.. maybe you don't like girls, and i'm talking seriously [01:38] http://www.theexit.org/fringe09/09pix/godling.jpg godling on the right [01:38] ehhehehe [01:39] If I ahd breasts I wouldn't need to go outside naked [01:39] hum, I don't like "girls", I like just one girl, my gf [01:40] I think male humans look disgusting mostly [01:40] So I guess I'm not gay [01:40] just don't get her pregnant :) [01:40] have to be smart who you want to clone with [01:40] nix_chix0r, why not? we are willing do have children :s [01:40] nobody! [01:41] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.91.240) joined ##slackware. [01:41] silly breeder, babies are for breakfast! [01:41] i want to clone with a girl that uses *nix ... I cant do it with a girl that uses MS products [01:41] sorry, rules of engagement :P [01:41] What a silly rule [01:42] i wanna have children [01:42] use me [01:42] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:42] put it this way, keeps virus's and other shit off my network. EOF [01:42] mu gf uses Windows XP, but I think that she'll use Linux or Haiku quite soon [01:42] tecky, i wish heather lockleer or however you spell her name from the time of the movie with chris tucker and charlie sheen knew *nix and she would sex me up [01:42] haiku? [01:42] why haiku [01:43] Because Haiku is no bullshit, powerful and easy to use [01:43] jeev, you remember the tv show "wierd science" ... nuff said [01:43] Action: godling wants a sneetch with a star on its belly [01:43] i'd rather prefer freebsd [01:43] or pc-bsd [01:44] meh, crunchbang [01:44] EOF [01:44] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Success [01:44] vaguely [01:44] do you think typing EOF at the end of everything makes you look cool? [01:44] :P [01:44] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:44] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@173-16-206-87.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:44] godling, yes [01:46] tecky: I'm afraid you're horribly misled. [01:46] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:46] godling, you sir, are horribly incorrect and shall be beaten a second time [01:47] I've got enough complaints with XP fucking up all the time, so I'm just about to switch her to Linux for the time being. But she is no typical airhead, and she can easily adapt. [01:47] witukind: she's an atypical airhead? [01:47] someone there had all compiz pkgs? im lazy at this time... i will build it tomorrow, but just in case [01:47] :P [01:47] laugh, no typical airhead, .... thats pretty ballsy of you to state in the open [01:48] godling, keep you sexist remarks to yourself :) let's just say I'm a lucky guy :) [01:48] An atypical airhead then? [01:48] There must be an echo in here. [01:48] not your run of the mill airhead... [01:48] That'd be me. [01:49] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:49] degenre (n=malajove@121.1.54.50) joined ##slackware. [01:50] all this mostly US-spawned pseudo-science about "big psychologycal differences" between males and females is just bullshit anyway. It's just a new kind of bolshevism. [01:50] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [01:50] witukind: I was making a joke, it was mostly wordplay. [01:50] witukind: I can tell you're not a native English speaker. :) [01:51] Actually I don't think we have a clue one way or the other. [01:51] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [01:51] hormone levels and chromosomal differences are enough to cause incredible differentiation in outwardly body parts, not to mention internal organs [01:51] godling, I'm a "native" english speaker, except I didn't live in an english-speaking country for most of my life. [01:51] you feel that the brain is excluded, i take it? [01:51] witukind: The joke was that you were inferring she was not an ordinary airhead. I don't think that women are airheads by default (well, not moreso than anyone else). [01:52] WOMEN ARE AIRHEADS [01:52] witukind: Bah! Your English is not the English I speak. :P [01:52] Correction: SOME women are airheads. [01:52] pshh [01:52] godling, most men and women are airheads, there's no real difference, except that men airheads call women airheads, airhead, see what I mean? [01:52] some cars are red [01:52] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [01:52] Action: chee suffers [01:53] I do there there may be a role difference in how that airheadedness is displayed though. [01:53] let's draw a diagram [01:54] a graph [01:54] Venn? [01:54] Y axis is time [01:54] X axis is how annoying this conversation will get [01:54] :D [01:54] i'm thinking we should use a directed acyclic graph [01:54] Ha! [01:54] jafnhar (n=jlkaus@68-115-84-2.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:55] bipartite FTW. [01:55] i think that we were already at the steeper end of the slope, godling [01:55] godling, I don't live in the US, so obviously I'm not in the know of the latest trends in the US language, and I have a hard time understanding british people because of their weird accent (except RP, but who speaks RP these days?) [01:55] wha's RP [01:55] no such thing as a bipartite graph [01:55] it just hasn't figured out what it likes yet.... [01:55] received pronunciation [01:55] the Queen's English [01:56] Oh [01:56] my father comes from Texas, and he's been living in Europe for over 30 years... [01:56] I was wrong, godling [01:56] there is a steeper end [01:56] chee, RP is "standard british english" [01:56] witukind: Texans don't speak standard English. ;P [01:56] godling, true enough [01:56] I speak standard british english [01:56] i'm as posh as a horse [01:57] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [01:57] godling, though my father was born in northern mississipi, which makes things even worse [01:57] Bipartite graph is a graph where the nodes may be partitioned into two sets such that no edge connects two nodes in the same set. [01:57] That makes no sense chee. [01:57] Yes, witukind [01:57] Action: godling thinks caoliver's got Wikipedia open in a permanent browser window [01:57] i'm actually posher than this horse: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3465/3185339874_13289d66e2.jpg [01:57] But anyway, at home I always heard both french and english, and I believe I master both languages quite well [01:58] No. I was a math major. [01:58] Well I'm a math kernel! [01:58] That defn was off the cuff. [01:58] Even though I'm not aware of the latest language trends [01:58] Colonel. [01:58] then it's not funny [01:58] twat [01:58] :P [01:59] i'm about equal with ths one: http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff202/abbotswood/diddychaps1.jpg [01:59] caoliver, are you like good will hunting? [01:59] Eh? [01:59] caoliver: do you like apples? [01:59] Depends on the variety. [01:59] Romes look pretty and taste bleah. [02:00] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:01] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:01] chee: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7b/Donkey_1_arp_750px.jpg [02:01] more like [02:01] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [02:01] ali0t4 (n=ali0t4@123.120.157.51) joined ##slackware. [02:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:03] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KBY5DILe6I [02:05] witukind: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZHw9uyj81g [02:05] same intro [02:06] same motif too [02:06] indeed [02:06] it's very popular [02:06] That's why Tom's shit is nice [02:06] because he steals from the greats? ;) [02:07] he stole it from tried and true stuff :D [02:07] there ya go [02:07] Amateurs imitate. Geniuses steal. [02:07] if you understand german a bit, and the culture of "saufen" (drinking) and friendliness it's quite cool though [02:08] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [02:08] at least it shows that Tom is not ignorant of what came before him, most Metal people are complete morons [02:08] Ich sprech keine deutsch. [02:09] how dare you , godline :( [02:09] godling [02:09] Most... not all. [02:09] caoliver, yes [02:09] can someone help me to understand what a c program does? its a program for controlling cdrom speed [02:10] Take Eklundh for instance. He seems to have a decent academic interest in other music. [02:10] godling, I'm definitely getting a Pachelbel CD :) [02:11] acidtripper: no it's a homophone for 'see' It helps you look at things on your computer. [02:11] :P [02:11] mm [02:12] some people are on crack when they sell old servers [02:12] its useful, if someone wanna copy scratched dvd [02:12] s [02:12] to slowdown speed [02:12] Sorry, but I've run out of wit, and am having to rely on bargain basement jokes. [02:12] but smething is wrong on it [02:14] toodles [02:14] godling (n=nobody@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [02:15] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.216.181) joined ##slackware. [02:16] this dvd is too scratched wtf is froma rental [02:16] drive does really strange sounds :S [02:17] http://acidtripper.pastebin.com/m721d10cb [02:17] is someone wants the program there it's [02:17] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:17] acidchild, the DVD reader can be sucky too, I've got some quite old and scratched CDs which rip fine one some drives and with some others not [02:18] mm yes,.. maybe i have to send it to compaq [02:18] do you think really scratched dvd must work fine? [02:18] drive does a sound like laser is choking [02:18] acidchild, I can't tell, I'd have to see the DVD [02:19] tac [02:19] tac tac [02:20] spin up and down it remains me to an old compaq laptop i had which drive finally broke [02:20] but there are some drives that are very substandard, and also there are CD/DVD plastic coatings that are very substandard too. The CDs I'm speaking of that are very much scratched and working perfectly were manufactured in the 1990's [02:20] on desktop i dont have any problem with drive [02:21] maybe is the drive [02:21] my hp laptop had a thermal issue with the dvd drive - as long as I kept the back of the laptop up enough for airflow on the underside of the drive it worked OK, but within minutes of setting the laptop flat on a surface (like a table), it would start flaking out [02:21] with new cds all goes right but some scratched, i burned slack on scratched dvd and didn't boot :S [02:22] acidtripper, honestly I think most newer cheap drives are total shit, if you want a good drive you still have to pay [02:22] yes, how much a good dvd drive for laptop cost? [02:22] mine is compaq maybe drive is same model as yours [02:22] a lot more than a desktop dvd :) [02:22] is lightscribe tscorp [02:23] arrgg! i hate that noise... it sound as it's going to brake ! [02:23] acid, stop it already [02:23] acidchild, that I have no idea, I'm lucky enough that I can burn two or tree DVDs once in a while with the DVD writer I bought 4 years ago, but I bought like 7 or 8 CD/DVD drives because they were failing. [02:24] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.91.240) left irc: Success [02:24] maybe i have to send it to rma [02:25] the howl laptop thats the problem [02:25] someone even had that awful sound on laptop dvd/cd? [02:25] blame the capitalists for cheap unreliable hardware [02:26] blame the cheapskates you mean :) [02:26] maybe before the year of garantee i will send it [02:26] we don't blame you, alisonken1home [02:26] and ask for a new unit :P [02:26] chee: touche' :) [02:27] but actually, it's the wife that doesn't look at hardware reliability issues [02:27] send it in tomorrow so we don't have to listen to your stories anymore! [02:27] once the goal is not to make a good device, and to make many devices to cash in as much as possible that's what you get [02:27] lol, all days until 4th august 2010 i will talk about it :P [02:28] has anyone got abou 200 watts that they aren't using? [02:28] i need to put them in my power supply [02:28] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [02:28] want 1.21 gigawatts? [02:28] chee, 200 watts is fucking expensive here [02:29] mancha: watching reruns again? [02:29] i can't get them out of my head...just like the voices [02:29] at least the voices are talking to you [02:29] haha [02:30] uff, this is so annoying [02:30] its like 40 dlrs a new dvd [02:30] i only have this little 180 watt power supply [02:30] and i've been given an awsum motherboard for free [02:30] Sony Optirac sata, that would work on any pc? [02:30] but it'll need at least 350 [02:30] caoliver1 (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Action: chee burns in his own tears [02:30] tears of fire. [02:31] good song title [02:31] what would you do with 350 watts power supply? [02:31] That was weird. IRC hung for me. Did I go bye bye a while ago? [02:31] i'd put it inside this computer [02:31] Keep it as a spare? [02:31] and then replace the motherboard with my new free awsum one [02:31] something something.....cause she has tears of fire....something something [02:32] chee, but I mean what would gain of putting it into your computer? [02:32] jhw (n=jhw@p548F40D3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [02:32] new motherboard [02:32] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [02:32] new motherboard that does what? [02:32] dishes. [02:32] is far beter than this one, has a better processor, takes a more up to date type of ram [02:33] AND it does the dishes [02:33] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-066-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] but for what? [02:33] witukind are you trolling me [02:33] I still have a 5 years old Sempron 1.6ghz with ~780 mb of RAM and I can still keep up with technology [02:33] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:34] at a decent speed [02:34] Linux-wise of course [02:34] it will increase my productivity a great deal, as i will no longer have freezing problems [02:34] um, you have clearly shown you CANNOT keep up with technology [02:34] I have 0 freezing problems [02:35] "I have a 486 with a 10MB hard drive; i keep up with technology" [02:35] mancha, I still have a 486 with a 700 mb hard drive, and I still hope to use it [02:36] i have 512mb of ram. i only have usb 1.1 ports. the computer is not as fast as it would be with a new processor [02:36] and the upgrade from 512mb to 2gb of ram [02:36] ok so you enjoy old hardware, why do you want chee to share in this love of the antiques? [02:36] have you ever heard of Wirth's law? [02:37] building from source code will be faster [02:37] running an emulator with a debugger attached while working on code will be easier [02:37] he wants a bigger PS not a lecture on the evils of newer hardware :) [02:37] It's not that I enjoy old hardware, it's that I don't enjoy the full power of newer hardware [02:37] having a few different workspaces will be possible [02:38] finished riping dvd [02:38] I started computing with a 8086/4mhz PC, and I could do many things with it [02:39] fedex cost much more than the unit :S [02:39] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.87.38) joined ##slackware. [02:39] wirth's law doesn't really apply to my situation [02:39] you'll notice i took time out to google it [02:40] is geeks.com a serious page to buy things? [02:40] it had 512k of memory, and yet I could connect to the internet and download stuff from FTP, look at websites, do IRC... [02:40] why don't you still use i now, witukind ? [02:41] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [02:41] *it [02:41] chee, well it still works and I'm eager to still use it [02:41] this computer I'm using can't even boot from usb [02:42] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.87.38) left irc: Client Quit [02:43] it's a sturdy thing, and even when all the newer PCs fail, I'm pretty sure this one would still work [02:43] turn off the computer you're using [02:43] and start using the other one again [02:43] why? [02:44] why are you using this computer and not the older one [02:44] cause there's no one developing any software for it anymore [02:44] why have you chosen one over the other, in this instance [02:45] oh, i see [02:45] I didn't choose [02:46] I wouldn't see any photos, because it's CGA, it would take a second or two to start a program... [02:47] but still it can be used [02:47] so you've decided to upgrade to a more powerful machine because you have an updated array of needs [02:47] no [02:47] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [02:48] I always upgraded to a newer PC because programmers sucked more and more [02:48] mostly [02:49] Wirth's law... remember [02:49] why aren't you writing the programs you need? [02:49] hello w* [02:49] it seems rather a negative approach to life and technology [02:49] I'd like to do that, but unfortunately I have just one brain [02:51] chee, how old are you? do you enjoy life? [02:51] yes, I do. [02:52] although I find i to be full of dark terrors and hidden traps [02:52] *it [02:52] i still enjoy the day to day, and the cold night [02:53] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:53] Me too, I enjoy the day to day, spending time with my gf, doing some other things... but when I think about the future it really doesn't look good [02:55] i don't like to think about the future, because that's where i'm dead. [02:55] We're thinking about moving to Norway, there it's not as crazy as in the rest of the west [02:56] go for it [02:56] we'd have to learn norwegian, but I know english intimately, and I understand German not bad [02:56] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:57] english would probably get you by while you were learning [02:57] yes, but mostly I worry about my gf, she just knows french mostly [02:57] just bring some pictures of bread and cheese [02:58] racist you are :D [02:58] and she can hold them up when she needs something from the Norwegians [02:58] nohing to do with race, I was trying to reduce the pictures to the basic human needs [02:58] and that is sandwiches. [02:58] you picture people from france as barbarians wielding the baguette and the cheese :D [02:59] :p [02:59] i picture people from france as a collection of moderately attractive revolutionaries with nothing to talk about [02:59] btw, right now I'm in Flanders/Belgium :) [03:00] French people suck, I agree with you, so do the english, and the northern americans mostly [03:00] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: "Leaving." [03:01] One country in Europe I like is Germany, the people there are really nice compared to France/Belgium etc... [03:01] i'm none of the above [03:02] i've never been to germany [03:02] i don't think [03:02] even if you were part of those of the above, it wouldn't make any difference, you are not a stereotype that's why I even bother to talk with you :) [03:03] you're so kind [03:03] inspiron630 (n=name@c-24-10-163-100.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:03] i need to pee [03:03] anyone here mount a ramdrive before [03:03] ! [03:03] some on [03:04] *of [03:04] I lived just 5km (that's just over 2 miles from Germany) from Germany, and I spent my free time mostly there because the germans are so friendly [03:04] the questions here are exciting ! [03:04] i met a german once in a swimming pool in ibiza [03:04] i'm thinking of mounting a ramdrive and putting my code it in so it will be faster to compile [03:04] and i spent a week sleeping near one on a floor [03:04] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:05] a ramdrive, you say [03:05] yea [03:05] chee: yes, he's said ramdrive twice now. ;) [03:05] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [03:05] its like a symbolic link to a portion of your ram [03:05] for storing data [03:05] temporarily of course [03:05] oh of course [03:06] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) left irc: Client Quit [03:06] oh cool [03:06] you can unencrypt documents to one so they leave no unencrypted traces [03:07] and slackware creates 16 by default [03:09] what's the lilo equivalent of grub's ramdisk_size [03:10] chee: thats a kernel append, not bootloader specific [03:10] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) joined ##slackware. [03:10] in lilo you would use append [03:10] ohh, so it is [03:11] i just saw that just as you made my icon flash [03:11] that's not a euphemism [03:11] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [03:11] awww :( [03:11] degenre (n=malajove@121.1.54.50) left irc: "leaving" [03:12] Action: chee makes spook's icon flash [03:12] Action: chee flutters eyelashes [03:12] su -c "shutdown -h chee now" [03:12] tehehehe [03:12] :'[ [03:12] now you have to type in your root password, fire|bird [03:13] go ahead [03:13] you wish [03:13] it comes up as stars on irc, anyway [03:13] ************ [03:13] see [03:13] yeah right [03:13] fire|bird: you've posted your nickserv password here again [03:13] chee: oh really? [03:13] hunter2 [03:13] spook: haha, I made that mistake once, and won't again. :P [03:13] ******* [03:13] fire|bird: err, not again, in the past [03:14] that's what i see [03:14] chee: :P [03:14] haha [03:14] Action: chee role plays [03:14] Action: fire|bird goes back to building seamonkey 2.0 [03:15] night everyone [03:15] night Rat409 [03:15] take care [03:15] cya build away :) [03:15] :), will do. 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[03:25] greetings [03:25] greetings [03:29] i put /usr/sbin in my ordinary user's path [03:30] chee: bad idea - sbin directories are for root (admin) usage, not normal user usage [03:30] yes, I know [03:30] however [03:30] I would like to [03:30] sudo slackpkg [03:30] and [03:30] sudo installpkg [03:31] instead of su ing [03:31] then only put /usr/sbin in your ~/.bashrc path, not the global path [03:31] aha! and that's exactly what I did [03:31] Action: chee feels content [03:32] ok - you didn't quite put it that way. your statement implied it was in global ordinary user path [03:32] Hmm, issue #2, configure: error: --with-system-png won't work because the system's libpng doesn't have APNG support [03:32] yes, i suppose i did put it that way [03:32] hey alisonken1noc, how's it going? [03:32] i am sorry for misleading you [03:32] hi fire|bird [03:32] hi The-Croupier [03:33] fire|bird: having fun with hardware moves [03:33] and you? [03:33] whats that error from? [03:33] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-135-219.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] alisonken1noc: having fun building seamonkey 2.0 :) [03:33] fun :) [03:33] just running into a snag with libpng [03:33] it will need to be rebuilt. [03:33] or upgraded [03:34] i see...sounds like fun;) [03:34] The-Croupier: indeed it is. [03:34] khaladu_kj (n=kiran@seepzgw.mumbai.geodesic.com) joined ##slackware. [03:34] I won't be up much longer though, so may have to be postponed until tomorrow. [03:35] I need to figure out if libpng in slack has apng support and just wasn't built, or it needs upgrading. [03:35] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-066-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:35] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:36] i had something maybe wierd the other day..after updating current, the touchpad in my little laptop stoped working... has that happened to other people? is was it just me? [03:36] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:38] Naraku (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:40] ah, libpng needs to be patched for apng [03:41] Action: fire|bird grabs patch and gets to work on it. :P [03:43] fire|bird: you not going to sleep? [03:43] yeah, just not quite yet, I'll be up about another 25-30 minutes. [03:43] How to start ssh? [03:44] is it possible to get directories using smbclient?? [03:44] Axius: client or server? [03:44] khaladu_kj: yes [03:44] client [03:44] Axius: did you try ssh [03:44] no [03:44] Axius: or man ssh? [03:44] hiya spook ;) [03:44] Hmm, it applies the patch, says done, but then doesn't continue on with the slackbuild. [03:44] spook: how can it be done? [03:46] Anyone know what I may have done wrong that causes it to stop on the patch, instead of apply it and continue? [03:47] khaladu_kj: read the manual page for smbclient [03:47] The-Croupier: hey... [03:47] fire|bird: wrong -p number try 0 as well as 1 [03:47] sahko: tried both, same thing. [03:48] spook: obviously.. i did that first.. but i did not find how to get directories... :( [03:48] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:49] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:49] sahko: This is what it halts at: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/b7wDlb95.html [03:49] spook: i meant inside the smb shell [03:50] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [03:51] khaladu_kj: i dont know, i know it can be done. [03:51] thats why i am suggesting the manual page [03:52] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [03:53] witukind (n=witukind@ip-213-49-235-43.dsl.scarlet.be) left irc: "Leaving" [04:00] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:00] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89BB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[04:03] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) left irc: "leaving" [04:04] i , prsnly, prefer gnome to xfce [04:04] i prefer flux but thats another story ;) [04:04] even if that doesn't allow fire|bird to exercise his full affection toward me [04:04] and then some people prefer flux [04:05] simple systems for simple people [04:05] chee: complicated people have issues :p [04:06] complicated people need solved and reduced [04:06] to be a more energy efficient system [04:06] haha [04:07] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [04:07] so, this desk that's in my bedroom used to be downstairs in the front room of my house [04:07] it's just been movd up here over the last couple of days [04:07] i've been up all night, and i went into a daze [04:07] and when i came to [04:08] i had no idea where i was. for a second I saw the front room as normal [04:08] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [04:08] and then it shifted around as my eyes adjusted to their actual surroundings [04:08] it was a weird ime [04:08] t [04:08] time [04:08] i need to get my t fixed [04:09] chee: werent you the one wanting to install kdevelop4 earlier? [04:09] sorry for interrupting you monologue btw :p [04:09] lol [04:09] yes, he was. [04:11] exbio (n=efzaexbi@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: "Bye!" [04:11] that "i don't think anybody likes kde" had me fooled [04:12] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] hehe [04:14] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] hehe [04:15] sahko: how come you are online this time a day? [04:17] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:18] I use slackware64-current. Just updated to kde 4.3.2 - had rather come to enjoy the behaviour of the alt-f2 in 4.2.1 and after upgrading it is not the same. Is there a setting that I am missing? [04:18] peacenik: [04:18] peacenik: the "if its not broke, dont fix it" setting? [04:18] The-Croupier: i thought you were gonna ask why was i here 5 hours earlier :P [04:18] heh [04:19] also, 4.2.1? 13.0 released with 4.2.4 [04:20] ok sorry, I was remembering number wrong [04:21] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-52-221.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [04:22] sahko: damn man...wth? [04:23] caoliver1 (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:23] spook: its not fun..to get something and not "fix it" ;) [04:23] but is the behaviour changed? befroe I could do something like atl-f2 -> =2*12 and get the computation in the window without calling up the console or kcalc and a few other functions like that now it doesn't seem to function [04:24] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [04:24] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever." [04:26] peacenik: systemsettings-> keyboard and mouse, global keyboard shortcuts -> kde component: run command interface is where it is setup in kde 4.2.4 [04:26] sahko: something happened and in your part of the country the day comes earlier? (since we live in the same country) [04:29] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [04:30] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:31] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) left irc: Client Quit [04:33] I just tried konsole -> krunner and I got what I wanted [04:34] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [04:34] but what I want to do is call up krunner with alt-f2 which was the behaviour before [04:35] The-Croupier: the sun set 2 hours earlier! 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[05:05] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:06] Zordrak: Here, to start off your day right, some Slackware-related foder. [05:07] Anyone know what I need to pass in lilo.conf to get a 1280x1024 framebuffer console? I se the modes are listed in /etc/fb.modes, but I'm not sure what to set "vga=" to in lilo.conf to use one of them. [05:08] Alan_Hicks: *v3 poke* :) [05:08] 795 [05:08] You just know that off the top of your head somehow? [05:08] yep [05:08] I use 795 all over the place [05:08] Well, what if I want a wide-screen frame-buffer? :-) [05:09] i wait for the prompt and give it 365 [05:09] thats 1440x900 anyway [05:09] Action: pprkut has a tool to find out vesa modes :) [05:09] but thats not the linux mode num.. thats the hex i think [05:09] 1440x900 may work too. [05:09] pprkut: Do share. [05:09] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) joined ##slackware. [05:10] lrmi is on SBo (12.2 repo only, I think). Didn't work on 13.0 [05:10] Alan_Hicks: oh.. and my desktop uses 842 (1600x1200) [05:10] for 13.0 I have hwinfo. Let's see how far that is... [05:10] if i try 795 and it doesnt work i drop to 791 [05:10] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:10] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-193.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:11] Alright, I'll give those a shot. Reboot comin' up. [05:11] would be nice to be able to test without reboot [05:11] 791 is only 1024x768 FYI. [05:12] Yeah, it *should* be possible with fbset according to the man page, but I can't seem to get it to work. [05:12] yeah.. when i hit a vga card that wont do 795, i drop the res [05:13] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [05:14] never heard of it working myselfy [05:14] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.1-dev" [05:14] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [05:14] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:15] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [05:16] delt0r (n=delt0r@62-47-131-86.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [05:17] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:17] evo_ (n=evo@p5B2FF197.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:18] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:19] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [05:19] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) left irc: "leaving" [05:21] Does anyone kwow a site that support ssh anonymous login? [05:21] Crap! [05:22] Screwed things up big time on my laptop. :-) [05:22] Alan_Hicks: thats not a site [05:22] Alan_Hicks: ? how? [05:22] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] v4nelle (n=van@adsl163-68.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:23] anonymous ssh login? [05:23] Accidently changed things around in a bad way. I'm booting into an old 12.1 install and can't get access to -current on it. [05:23] Alan_Hicks: http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master/good/hwinfo/ and http://github.com/pprkut/slackbuilds-beta/tree/master/good/libx86emu/ [05:23] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [05:23] in case you still need it :) [05:24] hwinfo --framebuffer would give you what you want [05:24] pprkut: Well, I might, but my 13.0 DVDs are at the office, so I won't get a chance to look until later today. You know, after the sun comes up and all that jazz. [05:25] hehe [05:26] See... normally this wouldn't be a problem. You just mount /dev/raven/64root /mnt/hd and do a chroot. [05:26] Alan_Hicks: What type card is it? [05:26] But /dev/raven/64root is ext4... [05:26] mrpawnage: intel somethin' or other. [05:27] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-xyngctnlmcnshszf) joined ##slackware. [05:27] I see. The kernel supports the kms option now for intel cards. [05:27] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) left irc: "leaving" [05:28] Anyhow, I'm out. Got nothin' to do here until I fix my laptop in the morning. [05:28] Later. [05:28] later [05:28] Axius, try http://sdf.lonestar.org/ , though they have netbsd and not so much useful staff. [05:29] i everybody, just installed a slackware 13.0 x64, my nvidia drivers, kde, but no dual screen, i have only my cursor on the second screen. Where is the probleme ? [05:29] s/staff/stuff/ [05:30] needhelp: how did you configure dual monitor? [05:31] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) joined ##slackware. [05:32] needhelp: did you use nvidia-settings as root to set it up? [05:32] yes [05:32] xinerama or twinview or what? [05:32] here my xorg.conf | http://pastie.org/674694 [05:33] xinerama is enable [05:33] twinview i dont test this, at the moment i try to set separate view [05:34] can you move programs to the second screen? [05:34] needhelp:are you using nvidias driver or the nv one supplied [05:34] evo- (n=evo@p5B2FC6F3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:34] <_MaggoT_> can someone tell me how to fix chown: invalid group: `root:root'. this error come when doing installing some program use slackbuild [05:35] Driver "nvidia" [05:35] _MaggoT_: are you doing it as root? [05:35] mrpawnage: I see that now [05:36] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : yes [05:36] needhelp: help run nvidia-settings as root makes it very easy to set up twin view [05:37] _MaggoT_: that sounds like you have no more root group [05:37] sounds like bash doesnt like colon separation of user and group.. [05:38] or that chown should be used not chgrp [05:38] or both [05:38] needhelp: as an fyi seperate view aka teh old unix duel view is not supported in the latest kde in slackware 13 [05:38] bash has no problem with colon [05:38] chown user.group foo [05:38] in which case its the other thing :) [05:40] sorry.. i have installed the last driver on the Nv website [05:41] _MaggoT_: egrep ^root /etc/group [05:41] needhelp: can you move programs to the second monizor? [05:41] monitor* [05:41] i have set nvidia-settings as root for set up the dualscreen, i dont edit manually the xorg.conf file [05:42] no, i can only move my cursor on the second screen [05:42] no window [05:42] needhelp: if you are using slackware 13 you will neebd to set to twinview, kde4 does not support the old unix duel monitor [05:43] ok.. twinview is like clone right ? [05:43] needhelp: no [05:43] ok ill try this [05:43] ill be back, thx [05:44] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-xyngctnlmcnshszf) left irc: "Page closed" [05:44] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.216.181) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:44] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : still got same error [05:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-gqnzktjhezwsohyg) joined ##slackware. [05:45] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:45] yeah it works :) thanks for all [05:45] greetings gentlemen [05:46] sidh: greetings back ;) [05:46] Nick change: mrpawnage -> mrselfpwn [05:46] while installing pastie slackbuild, i get this error : http://pastie.org/674704 [05:47] posix_types_32.h: No such file or directory [05:47] do you know what packages brings that headers ? [05:48] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@aa20060611363b8b1fd4.userreverse.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:48] s/pastie/tmux slackbuild [05:48] sidh: uh.. the kernel [05:49] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) joined ##slackware. [05:49] <_MaggoT_> grep root /etc/group and this the result http://pastebin.com/m97c0515 [05:49] another question: i have a dual core processor and 4Gb ram, and i notice that just opening firefox took a long time (im french sorry for my english :/ ) [05:50] _MaggoT_: awesome.. you managed to delete your root group [05:50] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:50] well done [05:50] <_MaggoT_> Zordrak : o_O [05:50] _MaggoT_: plus.. you were told to grep ^root not root [05:50] i have nothing to doo to have better performance ? [05:51] needhelp: firefox has a slow cold start time and a fast warm start time [05:51] thats just how it is [05:51] ESPECIALLY if its full of extensions [05:52] needhelp: c'est toujours comme ca , dans les bench il distingue le demarrage a froid , du redemarrage [05:52] sidh: pas de français, sil vous plait [05:52] oops sorry i missed /q [05:52] <_MaggoT_> Zordrak : when use grep ^root /etc/group nothing happen, and how to fix that Zordrak [05:52] Zordrak: it is a mistake sorry [05:52] seulement anglais en ici [05:52] yes, the first lunch is very long, under W7x64 its instantly [05:53] Zordrak: of course [05:54] Zordrak: but kerner-source are installed [05:54] sidh: `find /usr -name posix_types_32.h` [05:54] Axius (n=fd@92.82.87.38) left irc: "leaving" [05:55] yht (n=Administ@118.96.121.225) left irc: "Leaving." [05:55] _MaggoT_: run vigr [05:55] add the top line: root:x:0:root [05:56] <_MaggoT_> ok thx Zordrak :) [05:56] /usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/arch/x86/include/asm/posix_types_32.h ; usr/src/linux-2.6.29.6/arch/sh/include/asm/posix_types_32.h; /usr/include/asm-x86/posix_types_32.h [05:57] does nasm has to be installed ? [05:58] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:58] does the readme say so? [05:58] no [05:58] but nasm is not a slackbuild, it does part of the sets [05:58] sidh, the file should be in /usr/include. install kernel-headers. [05:58] as i didn't make a full install [05:59] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection timed out [05:59] slackpkg install kernel-headers [05:59] _MaggoT_: with egrep ^root nothing does happen because you have no root group [06:00] thats why I wanted you to egrap ^root, not greep root [06:00] slava_dp: ls /var/log/packages/kernel* tells me they are installed [06:00] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : ic [06:00] now, you can create a new root group, but you should have some stuff broken [06:01] _MaggoT_: just for shit and giggles, what group owns the /root dir and its contents [06:01] nvision (n=nvision@141.89.226.149) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:01] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.146.70) joined ##slackware. [06:03] hi all , our hyperdrive is destroyed , I cannot access /dev/hyperdrive1 [06:03] \o/ [06:03] sidh, find /usr/include -name posix_types_32.h [06:03] slava_dp: wtf? [06:03] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [06:04] oh lol i misread the backlog, thought the header is not there. [06:04] damn, i should sleep more. [06:04] Action: Intel[R]VT-x_ our spaceship runs on slackware [06:04] sorry Zordrak, sidh [06:04] /usr/include/asm-x86/posix_types_32.h [06:04] but i post it earlier [06:04] oh ok [06:04] i see that now. [06:05] slava_dp: did you see my pacemaker/drbd updates btw? [06:07] Zordrak: so you got that bitch to build? :) [06:07] totally [06:08] Zordrak, reading [06:08] it was painful.. and we each lost some limbs [06:08] Zordrak: maybe i should make a ln -s /usr/include/asm /usr/include/asm-x86 ? [06:08] pprkut: cherry on the cake.. ive made slackbuilds for the whole pacemaker stack [06:08] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : thx, now the problem is Fix [06:08] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166056184.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Zordrak: haha, I can imagine. I remember my fights with heartbeat, but from what I read pacemaker is even more fun [06:09] _MaggoT_: hm? [06:09] Zordrak: awesome :) [06:09] pprkut: i have been less than forgiving in the readmes :) [06:09] Zordrak: nifty. on sbo? [06:09] hahaha [06:09] slackytude: not yet.. they need a tiny bit of SBO-ifying [06:09] but they are on my blog [06:10] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : now when running xxx.Slackbuild no more error chown: invalid group: `root:root' and i can finish install my program [06:10] _MaggoT_: yes, but you should have a lot of broken stuff anyway [06:11] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : then how to fix 100%, reinstall? [06:11] Zordrak, nice article. i've skimmed it, going to read when i have time to. [06:12] well, Id just continue working with the system. [06:12] but tell me, what does ls -l /root give you? [06:12] i really don't understand , posix-types_32.h are there [06:12] why cant it find it [06:13] Action: The-Croupier is happy when he sees lots of action in the channel ;) [06:14] <_MaggoT_> slackytude :http://pastebin.com/d2b96246 [06:15] e01 (n=OSCorp01@213.169.52.50) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [06:16] _MaggoT_: that looks good [06:16] find / -nogroup :-) [06:16] if you delete a group you usually have weird group ownerships [06:16] looks like your root group has the same gid as the old one, tho [06:17] Shuren (n=Devilman@host13-142-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:18] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : hmm i think this problem come when i going delete user use Kuser, when come prompt about deleting i'm click yes [06:19] well, deleting a user should not delete a group [06:19] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.51.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:20] never had that with Kuser, altho I dont use it that often [06:21] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jddxuuxmpsximzdg) joined ##slackware. [06:23] <_MaggoT_> slackytude : ok, i will remember that, not delete a group next time [06:24] sidh: another french, great :) [06:24] _MaggoT_: ^-^ [06:24] ;) [06:25] needhelp: watch out, Zordrak knows we are french, speak only english here !! ;) [06:26] cheese-eating surrender-monkeys [06:26] ;) [06:26] yeah i see that, too hard for me but verry benefict [06:26] lol [06:26] i cant live without cheese !! [06:27] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] ManKnow (n=root@unaffiliated/hugleo) joined ##slackware. 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[06:33] sidh: Chess = chess [06:33] so no [06:33] check in #sbopkg [06:33] ok , no luck , he is the maintainer of tmux, it seems [06:33] ok [06:36] Nick change: nix4me -> chopp [06:39] sidh: what windows interface do you use on your desktop [06:40] Lalloso (i=8a843664@gateway/web/freenode/x-vsqeoiabuuchaujv) joined ##slackware. [06:40] the touchpad on this dell mini 9 doesn't tap =/ [06:40] y0 Camarade_Tux [06:41] nightf0x09 (n=nightfox@85.204.98.27) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:41] yoyo slackytude [06:41] Camarade_Tux: hmm, i'm almost certain it does [06:41] but i could check later this morning [06:41] nightf0x09 (n=nightfox@85.204.98.27) joined ##slackware. [06:42] ananke: you have on? could you pastebin your .fdi file? [06:42] *one [06:43] not sure what .fdi file is [06:43] well, 11-x11-synaptics [06:43] I think [06:44] needhelp: xmonad [06:44] .fdi is udev rules. [06:44] Axius (n=ojof@92.85.217.40) joined ##slackware. [06:44] not hal? [06:44] Camarade_Tux: http://kaapa.pastebin.mozilla.org/679812 [06:44] or hal. damn. i should keep quiet today. [06:44] Camarade_Tux: i'll have to install opensuse on it again, but i was planning on doing anyway [06:45] he [06:45] needhelp: in the past i was very efficient with kde 3.5, since it is 4.X version, i totally abandon it, too bloated for me, even the konsole wase freezing [06:46] gonnq try to restart, I may have forgotten to restart some things [06:46] ok, looks very simple interface [06:48] sidh: i dont know anything about windows interface, i stay a long time without xserver [06:49] for server, i never used X, but for desktop, i try to keep it minimal [06:50] shyko (n=francisc@187.39.213.43) joined ##slackware. [06:51] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [06:52] sidh: me too, i have a routeur since slackware 10.x and no Xserver. Recently i have updated to slackware x64, and now i test this version on a desktop [06:52] sidh: at work.. But first pb, i have no imap and no pop3 on my exchange server, so.. no mail.. Only webmail exchange, windows sucksss [06:53] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [06:54] Kaapa: I have the same and it doesn't work [06:54] gonna check the logs [06:55] needhelp: windows doesn't suck, what sucks is your setup. exchange can provide imap and pop3 [06:55] juice (i=1000@65.28.97.1) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [06:57] ananke: lol i like windows seven yeah :) And i play a lot at home.. and there is a lot of probleme at work with the imap and pop3 with front ssl so its not allowed for me :/ [06:58] Kaapa: do you have a dell mini 9? [06:58] Camarade_Tux: nop [06:59] Camarade those look cute, how do you like yours? [07:00] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:01] mancha: pretty nice but the touchpad isn't perfect [07:01] I'm configuring it now but as you see I'm not done yet [07:01] hrmm i see. iirc that comes with an ununtu install as an option, have you tried looking on any dell-mini9/ubuntu lists? [07:02] I usually add -ubuntu to my google queries ;) [07:02] plus the ubuntu is pretty old, maybe with an older X btw [07:03] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-gqnzktjhezwsohyg) left irc: "Page closed" [07:03] thats shouldn't matter much, you're after a synaptics option set amirite? [07:03] the battery only lasts about 150 minutes because it's probably 3 cells [07:03] mancha: yup [07:03] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-oulvypercwrcfjvu) joined ##slackware. [07:03] I copie those on my laptop and that doesn't work [07:04] what exactly is not working? [07:05] Camarade_Tux: it lasts much longer on windows if i recall [07:05] Camarade_Tux: and even on opensuse it seems to have lasted longer than 2.5 hrs [07:07] ananke: the battery is small afaik, 3cells, can't last much longer [07:07] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/x-oulvypercwrcfjvu) left irc: Client Quit [07:07] Camarade_Tux: but it's intel atom processor [07:08] ananke: I have to check it but I doubt I'll get a lot of battery life [07:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-jddxuuxmpsximzdg) left irc: [07:09] atom doesnt count for shit if the motherboard chip set is a power hungry monster [07:10] powertop is awesome btw. [07:10] yeah, installing it [07:10] last i checked slackware disables the required kernel option by default [07:10] so might require a kernel recompile [07:11] spook: oh right [07:11] gonna recompile anyway [07:11] going to be painful (compilation on atom :D ) [07:11] distcc is your friend [07:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) joined ##slackware. [07:15] Camarade_Tux: trying to find the kernel option for you [07:15] spook: gonna find it, don't worry ;) [07:15] I'll find it during the config [07:15] CONFIG_TIMER_STATS most likely [07:16] mancha: wheres that? [07:16] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [07:17] 3MB left on this computer... [07:17] kernel debugging iirc [07:17] needless to say I wasn't able to extract the kernel sources [07:19] i.e hacking -> debugging -> kernel timer (or summit) [07:19] guys, what's the difference between */5 and 0/5 in a cron expression? [07:19] */5 is every 5 [07:20] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89BB9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:20] 0/5 uhhhh [07:20] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:21] according to docs, 0/5 is every 5 minutes [07:21] 0/5 makes no sense alone, usually you have a range like 22-0/5 [07:21] but I usually write */5 [07:21] docs say to use 0/5? pics or it didn't happen [07:22] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [07:23] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CRON_expression [07:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [07:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:23] line 61 of crontab(1) [07:24] aha, so i guess that is kosher and syncs the every 5, to start at 0 [07:24] wheras */5 will probably tick off whenever crontab is loaded for the user [07:26] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:28] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [07:30] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Operation timed out [07:31] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. 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[08:12] who was setting up an audio workstation some time ago? [08:12] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:12] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:13] Anthony__ (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [08:15] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:15] I did a coule of years ago [08:16] justin` (n=justin`@unaffiliated/justin) joined ##slackware. [08:16] weird [08:17] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:18] how can you listen to your microphone via ssh? 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Although the last part is pretty confusing, you did not go into much detail. The setup and the redundancy is lovely =) [08:48] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:49] Shuren (n=Devilman@host13-142-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:49] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Yuri_Harrison (n=yuri@unaffiliated/pscicodelixhat) joined ##slackware. [08:52] Yuri_Harrison (n=yuri@unaffiliated/pscicodelixhat) left ##slackware. [08:53] slackboy, what's the article on? [08:53] errr slava_dp [08:54] justin`, drbd + pacemaker. linux high-availability. [08:54] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ [08:54] phzin (n=x3@unaffiliated/phzin) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Connection reset by peer [08:54] _MaggoT_ (n=Newbie@125.161.195.23) left irc: "Leaving" [08:55] dia! [08:55] good morning. [08:56] morning [09:00] Bonix_ (n=Bonix@189.107.171.128) joined ##slackware. [09:01] Bonix_ (n=Bonix@189.107.171.128) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:04] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:05] Bonix_ (n=Bonix@189.107.171.128) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.213.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:07] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:08] slava_dp: the problem is.. that pacemaker *is* difficult and confusing. Given that the article focusses on My setup and how it works with slackware.. i didn't want to turn it into some kind oy pacemaker howto.. so theso bits are there for reference when someone sets their own up.. learns about pacemaker and then needs pointers on the finer parts of the config [09:09] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Zordrak, that's understandable. the best thing is that you've provided slackbuilds for the stuff :-) I don't need anything like drbd now, but it's nice to know that slackbuilds already exist. [09:11] i need to find a cheap laptop with decent graphics [09:11] because im cheap [09:12] http://linuxpreloaded.com/ > justin` [09:12] do your self a fav and check the keyboard before ordering [09:14] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Action: The-Croupier is impressed that pidgin does ircing as well ;) [09:15] capone__ (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [09:16] capone__ (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:16] mario___ (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [09:17] i want a macbook/macbook pro but im too cheap probably [09:18] mario___ (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Client Quit [09:18] fail [09:18] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [09:18] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.148.92) joined ##slackware. [09:18] hi there! [09:19] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:20] hiya metrofox [09:20] hi The-Croupier, what's up? [09:20] hi Zordrak ;) hows it going today? [09:20] you gotta pay for the sleek-looking good manufacturing [09:20] metrofox: not much...you? [09:21] The-Croupier: me too [09:21] Reav_1 (n=Reav_1@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~" [09:21] sounds like fun ;) [09:21] Zordrak: my daughter bought a macbook, it has been stable for her. It is a bit over-priced imo. Is that your objection to the macbook? Just curious:) [09:22] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [09:22] s/a bit // [09:22] hitest: My primary objection is a very simple one. There is no Del key. [09:23] really? [09:23] Rully. [09:23] Zordrak: thanks for the reply:) [09:23] There is a backspace key. There is no Del key. [09:23] I learned something new [09:24] I also prefer a pc kb. [09:24] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189.29.246.244) joined ##slackware. [09:25] I have only ever had to support one Macbook Pro on this network.. and to do it (he demanded it dualboot xp) i had to set a specific AD GPO JUST for the macbook to turn off the Pre-logon Ctrl-Alt-Del [09:25] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.36.117) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:27] needhelp (i=51fcb5a2@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [09:28] plop [09:28] sidh: here ? [09:29] Action: Zordrak is annoyed. He's too tired for cleaning today.. but has been given one days notice that he has to clean up his office as a potential investor will be touring the building tomorrow [09:29] Zordrak, lols for the ctrl+alt+del :-D [09:29] Zordrak: LOL [09:29] Zordrak: take a picture, show us how bad it is. [09:29] Zordrak: or me... we can have a contest. i'll take a pic of mine when i get in. [09:30] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:30] slackware power [09:31] _bruno_ (n=bruno@189.29.246.244) left irc: Client Quit [09:31] Zordrak: you know i've been asked by multiple doc's at work if they can use a mac for work.... These are also the same people who don't know how to cut and paste.... [09:31] :) [09:32] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:32] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [09:32] gsdrw (n=t7DS@201.18.38.165) joined ##slackware. [09:33] Zordrak: when you say clean your office..you mean clean your computer of all the illegal digital/or not stuff? or clean it in sense people could come near your office in 10ft radius without getting some kind of fatal virus? [09:33] agentc0re: http://imagebin.org/69607 <-- One corner [09:33] The-Croupier: as in make the door openable [09:33] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:33] you got a big window in your office? [09:35] one whole wall is basically a window [09:35] somene already did cache from youtube? [09:35] Please tell me you play "house" in that big box... :P [09:35] with squid [09:35] ? [09:35] no.. i play house in the basement server room [09:35] haha. [09:36] Zordrak: then obtain yourself a big hammer... and play baseball with some nice cds...hardware ...etc.. that needs to go out of the window [09:36] ;) [09:36] windows have no openability [09:37] :/ [09:38] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:39] Zordrak: nice...then you will love the sound of hardware on a nice full wall glass window ;) [09:39] Zordrak, what floor are you on? [09:39] agentc0re: http://imagebin.org/69608 <-- My Slackware Storage Cluster :) [09:39] slava_dp: 2 floors above ground [09:40] Zordrak: that looks awsome man ;) [09:42] Zordrak: your office looks clean to me ;) [09:42] delt0r (n=delt0r@62-47-131-86.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:42] and very handy tbh ;) [09:42] hello all happy people [09:42] any already did cache full youtube? [09:42] yeah.. but as a whole picture it's far from clean and even further from tidy [09:42] needhelp: have to go , be back in a hour approx. [09:42] Desiderius (n=DC@195.221.162.126) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Zordrak: does it make your job quicker? [09:42] delt0r (n=delt0r@80.123.57.221) joined ##slackware. [09:43] than its good [09:43] huh? [09:43] any already did cache full youtube? [09:43] gsdrw: youre done, buddy. Out. [09:44] Zordrak: where is this? what company? [09:44] ok,Sorry [09:44] gsdrw (n=t7DS@201.18.38.165) left ##slackware. [09:45] The-Croupier: Thats for me to know.. and you to work out :) [09:45] Bonix_ (n=Bonix@189.107.171.128) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:45] ? [09:46] Zordrak: well either way...it looks nice ..;) also, the only thing you could do...is get some things stuffed in those big boxes for a couple of days..till the guy fscks off...and then put them exactly where you want them ;) [09:46] just an idea..;) [09:47] The-Croupier: i might as well put them in the right place as do that.. i just cant be arsed to *do* the tidying [09:47] Zordrak: pay someone ;) [09:48] psh.. i cant even get them to pay for a second member of staff [09:48] let alone pay me enough for me to afford to pay someone to clean up [09:48] Zordrak: put a bookcase in front it, filled with manuals. [09:48] allend: it? The whole office? [09:49] it is only for a day [09:49] bah [09:49] are you sheepish? [09:50] sidh: ok dude see ya :) [09:51] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:52] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:52] Zordrak: looks like that baseball idea of mine seems like a good idea after all :p ;) [09:52] all itll do is scratch my windows and spoil my view [09:53] Zordrak: bulletproof? [09:53] przemoc (n=przemoc@89.72.161.94) joined ##slackware. [09:53] ive never tested it.. but its extremely thick double-glazing [09:54] Zordrak: are you not curious ? ;) [09:54] not curious enough to risk exposing my office to the open air, spoiling my view and losing my job [09:54] Action: The-Croupier laughs in evil way :) [09:55] Zordrak: you are thinking it too much...either clean it or not..there is no middle way...(unless you show the guy a different office) ;) [09:55] just [09:55] cant [09:55] be [09:55] Channel flood from Zordrak -- kicking [09:55] arsed [09:55] Zordrak kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [09:55] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [09:56] i think we should kick anyone who's been idle for langer than a month [09:57] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] i hate people idling in here without ever saying anythig ever [09:57] Action: _guitarman_ shhhh - people are sleeeping [09:58] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:58] over 75% of the list are just silent lurkers [09:58] Zordrak: go kill yourself over it [09:58] It's IRC..get over your life [09:58] <_guitarman_> ow about write a funny song on IRC Zordrak [09:58] <_guitarman_> IRC Blues [09:58] bah. that issue with fglrx affects the newer radeon sapphire 5770 cards? or is it not related? mesa bug? it's a little over my head. how do I fix this? X11 gives me a blank screen. [09:59] and a hardware lock [09:59] _guitarman_: O_o [09:59] vesa works, fglrx does not. [10:00] dartmouth: you may find theres just no answer to the question [10:00] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-214-26-181.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:00] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:01] Zordrak: i know the problem affects some 13.0 users but dont know if a solution's been found, or a patch has been made, or whether upgrading mesa does it, or whether its even mesa. [10:01] i gave up trying to actually solve ati problems.. its just not worth the effort for the lack of a result [10:01] google isn't helping much but i've seen it discussed [10:02] some people like to sit and read ;) maybe help when needed..;) Zordrak that's how this channel has always worked ;) [10:02] The-Croupier: thats how IRC in general works [10:02] they are always here, alive and well, and really nice as well ;) do not worry [10:02] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.239.24) joined ##slackware. [10:03] it's weird, the 9-10 drivers for linux clearly specify that the card is supported [10:03] straterra: i know ;) [10:03] The-Croupier: you know i know that.. but there are nicks in here that have been in here for longer than I have.. and havent uttered a single word in that whole time [10:03] Zordrak: you talking about slackboy ? [10:03] ;) [10:03] are you pissed he kicked you off ;) [10:04] The-Croupier: i did that on purpose.. i know its like 4 lines in 5 secs [10:04] figabo__ (n=Slacker@187.149.11.136) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:05] how can i receive microphone feed over ssh? [10:05] dartmouth, Is your machine locked up when this happens? [10:05] i actually used to work with one culprit.. is in here right now.. has been in here forever.. but hasnt ever said anything [10:05] straterra: you not having a good day so far? ;) [10:05] adamk_: yes it is [10:06] Zordrak: well, if you annoy him long enough..im sure he will ...;) lol [10:06] adamk_: only change is from vesa to fglrx in the config [10:06] kr_eten (n=quick@client-73-63-226.speedy-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:06] The-Croupier: I am..Zordrak is just being an idiot..as usual [10:06] dartmouth, Presumably you are using version 9.10 of the driver? If networking is dead, it will be hard to diagnose without a serial console. And, even then, being a proprietary driver, there may not be much anyone outside of AMD can do. [10:07] figabo__ (n=Slacker@189.186.34.120) joined ##slackware. [10:07] hi i have upgraded to last current and now my desktop is a mess [10:07] adamk_: yeah, it's a real gross issue. [10:07] adamk_: i dont even know where to start [10:08] most of the icons does not appear, the K menu and plugged devices menu does not appear too [10:08] ananke: got more battery life with a kernel recompile ;-) [10:08] 3-3.5 hours [10:08] \o/ - beats my 25mins [10:09] lathough its probably improved since i upped it from 12.0 to 13.0 [10:09] Camarade_Tux, any specific kernel options to have an increased battery life? [10:10] slava_dp: no_hz, lower frequency (100Hz but I think it doesn't really matter now), tickless kernel [10:10] Zordrak: he :) [10:10] i'm not just lurking...trying to re-learn c [10:10] now, I want to make that touchpad tap [10:10] Camarade_Tux, uh-huh, i make tickless kernels too. [10:10] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [10:11] kr_eten, might this help you? http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/gtk-icons-suddenly-missing/ [10:11] slava_dp, it seem it is a icon theme problem, thanks i will see the link [10:13] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left ##slackware. [10:19] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] oldude67 (n=duh@c-98-212-246-217.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:20] shyko (n=francisc@187.39.213.43) left irc: Connection timed out [10:23] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:24] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-193-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] Camarade_Tux: see :) [10:26] ananke: yeah, I know ;-) [10:26] and this touchpad is weird [10:26] or hmmmm [10:26] lemme boot my mini, and see how it works under windows [10:27] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:27] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:28] ananke: you don't have linux on it? [10:28] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [10:29] Camarade_Tux: i had dual boot with windows xp + opensuse, then decided to try windows 7. for that i had to wipe the entire disk, and it still failed to install [10:29] so i just put windows xp back on it. [10:29] ananke: he :) [10:29] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [10:29] and yes, looks like you can tap on the pad in windows xp [10:29] but also it's the first time I have to set the touchpad, doesn't help ;) [10:29] kr_eten (n=quick@client-73-63-226.speedy-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [10:30] ananke: I managed to tap a few minutes ago but that was weird :D [10:30] there's this synclient, tried it? [10:30] Camarade_Tux: it's because the pad is so small, and it's right on the edge [10:30] altho i'm on 12.2 and my touchpad is via xorg.conf [10:30] synclient TapButton1=1 or summitz [10:30] slava, you can use synclient on 12.1 [10:30] ananke: yup but also when I tap, xev doesn't tell me anything [10:30] mancha, no need to [10:31] slava_dp: oh, I thought it wasn't included :) [10:31] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [10:31] slava, you might not need to but it seemed you were saying synclient was not compatible with xorg.conf ad 12.1 [10:32] mancha, nope, never said that :-) all i said is that _my_ touchpad is via xorg.conf currently :-) [10:33] the "although" messed me up. language-- [10:33] synclient TapButton1=1 worked [10:33] but it was in the .fdi too... [10:33] cool beans [10:34] then your fdi might be fubar? did you concoct the xml code yourself? [10:34] mancha: cp [10:34] from /usr/share [10:34] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:34] pastebin it [10:35] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:35] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:35] http://vpaste.net/3Byow? [10:36] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:37] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] BP{k}_ (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Camarade, try to change those type="integer" to type="string" [10:38] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.74.121) joined ##slackware. [10:38] mancha: I had string before [10:38] then take that puppy out for a test drive [10:38] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [10:39] also this is prolly bad: input.touchpad [10:39] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:39] try contains="Synaptics TouchPad" [10:40] mancha: hmmm, right, had skipped that [10:41] what would tell me what I should use for contains="" ? [10:41] edu (n=edu@84.78.221.33) joined ##slackware. [10:41] mancha [10:41] JonathanD (i=Jonathan@freenode/staff/jonathand) left irc: Connection timed out [10:42] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:43] went for "TouchPad" :P [10:43] Hi, Which size is recomend por / partition? [10:43] Hi, Which size is recomend for / partition?* [10:43] edu, 8-10 gigs. [10:43] all of it [10:43] slava_dp, ok thanks, and /usr? [10:43] edu, impossible to answer intelligently [10:43] edu, /usr is on / [10:44] edu, only separate /home. leave everything else on /. [10:44] yes but in slackware.com it recommend put /usr in a diferent partition [10:44] ok thanks :D [10:44] very thanks to all [10:44] np.... [10:44] edu, everyone's got a pet partition scheme, if you found one on slackware.com then that's just pat's [10:44] hmmm [10:45] and a rather outdated one i should say [10:45] i feel mine is superior to pat's and i am sure he feels the opposite [10:45] :) [10:45] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-34-175-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Nick change: BP{k}_ -> BP{k} [10:48] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [10:49] Camarade, is it giving you sugar now? [10:49] mancha: nope [10:49] I have [10:49] [10:50] what about the key="info.capabilities"? [10:50] ok, i give up, i offered a suggestion for the contains string and you decided to ignore it [10:50] i separate /var to it's own partition. [10:51] oh wait, i misread your thing [10:51] change info.capabilities to info.product and use "Synaptics Touchpad" for your contains [10:51] mancha: well, I went for something less specific ;-) [10:52] except linux is case sensitive _S_ynaptics [10:52] yes, i think synaptics is the correct choice there. [10:52] mancha: actually I had TouchPad there right before [10:52] I haven't tried "synaptics" yet [10:52] but there must be a way to get how X identified the device [10:52] right, change info.capabilites to info.product [10:53] done [10:53] gonna restart X (and hal ;) ) [10:53] BP{k}: thanks for staying on people and clarifying that any *un-official* packages should _not_ be preferred to the official packages in release or -current [10:53] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.239.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:53] Hermann (n=Hermannn@92.241.194.6) joined ##slackware. [10:53] then your contains="TouchPad" should work, if neptune aligns with venus ascending. [10:54] :) [10:54] so, Synaptics Touchpad or Synaptics TouchPad ? [10:54] Synaptics TouchPad [10:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:56] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:56] Action: chee smiles faintly [10:56] and thanks for reminding me that hate xml [10:56] *that i hate [10:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [10:56] huh, hate too [10:57] I'd like X/hal to tell about errors in the config [10:57] did it work Camarade_Tux ? [10:57] hal's gonna die anyways [10:58] thats rather unsubstantiated opinion [10:59] not really, ubuntu's dropping hal, and like it or not, they have a ginormous userbase [10:59] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hardly an argument for impending doom [11:00] so it's just a poorly substantiated opinion, well that's ok then. [11:00] and what are they gonna us? [11:00] According to the Xorg 7.5 release notes, HAL is being deprecated: http://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.5/doc/RELNOTES.html [11:00] well, there's some substance [11:00] Actually, according to that, it's already been deprecated. [11:00] X is droppnig hal, ubuntu is doing a haldectomy [11:00] O_o i had not been exposed to said info [11:01] so then don't accuse me of unfounded speculation! :) [11:01] And the HAL pages on freedesktop concur: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/hal [11:01] =/ [11:01] i don't think those are credible resources [11:02] hal is going to be dumped, it's not developped anymore, only maintained [11:02] ;P [11:02] Hahaha. [11:04] hmmmmm [11:04] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.74.121) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] I can't get it [11:04] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:04] haha, [11:09] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.216.13) joined ##slackware. [11:11] twanny796 (n=chatzill@c141-183.i01-4.onvol.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] you can either fix your xml or else just use synclient (call it from an rc if you want) [11:11] illovae (n=C-18@unaffiliated/illovae) joined ##slackware. [11:11] any slacker got a link to a EuroISDN book? [11:12] hello [11:12] Camarade_Tux: well, this is the first slack that was this dependet on hal [11:12] I want to hack on isdn [11:12] mancha: I'd like to fix the xml =/ [11:12] nyRednek: yeah, I know :) [11:13] Cam, i am not an X/hal expert as i impose my will through xorg.conf (but at least you know a workable solution and also where to look for the error) [11:13] Camarade_Tux: what i'm noticing...my pitch bend on amsynth is screwed [11:13] Camarade_Tux: but no on zynaddsubfx [11:13] excuse me, do you know if I can safely remove all sbopkg's content in /tmp/ please ? (mostly *SBO.tgz) [11:13] illovae: sure. [11:13] illovae: Yes. There's a reason it was put in /tmp in the first place. [11:13] If you no longer have any need of them, go for it. [11:14] Camarade_Tux: but i can't really figure out zynaddsubfx's engine well enough to make usable sounds with it [11:14] BP{k}: ok thank you ; I was thinking that the /tmp/ was cleaning automagicaly after each reboot, so because it's not, I was not sure :) [11:14] Alan_Hicks: ok thanks [11:14] illovae: some parts of /tmp are .. [11:14] illovae: Well, you can setup something to do that easily enough. [11:14] Alan_Hicks: yeah I will :) [11:14] BP{k}: arf okay [11:15] How can I have wpa_supplicant start automatically at boot? [11:15] twanny796 (n=chatzill@c141-183.i01-4.onvol.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:15] it's possible to install GRUB instead of LILO while the installation? [11:15] If you've got the RAM, I highly recommend tmpfs on /tmp. [11:15] Does grub even come with the slackware install disk? [11:15] edu: Possible, but not supported. [11:15] nyRednek: huh? [11:16] oldude67 (n=duh@c-98-212-246-217.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] Cryp, wpa_supplicant is a client, (or a supplicant if you're technical). you can call it from rc.local if you want [11:16] Cryp71c: It's on the DVD in extra/. [11:16] Ah, gotcha. [11:16] Camarade_Tux: synthesizer packages [11:17] oh thanks, and if I have a grub in other partition I need Lilo in /boot of slacware to boot it? or only I have to put some lines in menu.lst (of grub) to boot slack? [11:17] Camarade_Tux: i like amsynth's moog-style interface, but not its bug with pitch bend [11:17] Cryp71c: Also, if this is a laptop that you use on more than one network, I highly recommend you install wicd from extra/ and use it for configuring your 802.11 NIC. [11:17] mancha, since wpa_supplicant needs to be run as root, can I use sudo in rc.local or is it automatically run as root? [11:17] nyRednek: but I know nothing about them [11:17] rc.local is run as root [11:18] Alan_Hicks, I do use it on multiple networks, but I'm using DWM and wicd doesn't run well...even in daemon mode. [11:18] DWM? [11:18] Alan_Hicks, http://dwm.suckless.org/ [11:19] Alan_Hicks: did you get your lilo all straitened out? [11:19] mrselfpwn: Yeah. Had to revert to 1024x768. Video card didn't like any of the other resolutions I tried. [11:20] Desiderius (n=DC@195.221.162.126) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [11:20] maybe syndaemon could help [11:20] Action: Zordrak sets up a script that pokes Alan_Hicks about v3 every time he shows up :) [11:20] Alan_Hicks: gotcha. yeah i meant to elaborate with the recent kernels they support kernel mode setting for intel chips, and would give you your native resolution from boot. [11:20] Zordrak: Thank you. [11:21] Yeah. It does 1280x800 in X (which is about as low as you really wanna go on this small screen anyhow. [11:21] Mainly I'm wanting more horizontal space on my gettys for running screen with a vertical split. [11:22] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@200.140.247.98) left irc: [11:22] Alan_Hicks: I understand. [11:24] mindbndr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [11:25] bah, I don't get why the fdi file is like unused [11:25] and no xorg.conf [11:30] ='( [11:30] Alan_Hicks: what line do you put in fstab for the /tmp to be placed on tmpfs? Is it just default options? [11:32] I've done it and it works fine though wasn't sure if "defaults" were the best option. I guess noatime would make sense. [11:32] alan@raven:~$ grep tmpfs /etc/fstab [11:32] tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs defaults 0 0 [11:32] tmpfs /tmp tmpfs mode=1777 0 0 [11:32] ah sweet, thanks [11:33] tmpfs doesn't support noatime. [11:33] See mount(8) for filesystem-supported mount options. [11:33] aha. okay. will do. [11:33] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:34] anyone playing with the 2.6.32 rc's? [11:34] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:34] For all the gory details, see /usr/src/linux/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt [11:35] mancha: I'm waiting for stable. [11:35] Alan_Hicks: haha, okay. [11:35] mancha: I am [11:35] mrselfpwn as am i, just curious about what the bleeding-edge junkies thought so far [11:36] I'm not a junky :P [11:36] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:36] Camarade_Tux anything worth reporting on that front? [11:36] Action: BP{k} stabs Camarade_Tux with a heroine syringe ;) [11:36] Camarade_Tux: now you are. :P [11:36] BP{k}: thanks :P [11:37] oh,and yes, the first step in getting cured is admitting you have a problem :) [11:37] mancha: with regard to anything specific? [11:37] bcm4312 driver merged in I *think* [11:37] aha, i see mainlined into b43 you mean? [11:37] pdflush gone, better perf [11:37] mancha: I think so [11:37] ZmAY (n=aether@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [11:37] give me a sec [11:39] I'd have to check the logs which I don't have here [11:39] juice (i=1000@65.28.97.1) joined ##slackware. [11:39] green_ (n=chatzill@89.179.165.249) joined ##slackware. [11:39] no problem, just wondering if anything big stood out [11:40] hard to say ;) [11:40] green_ (n=chatzill@89.179.165.249) left irc: Client Quit [11:40] bah bah bah [11:41] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] bah, I don't get why it doesn't use my .fdi ='( [11:42] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.53.25) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:42] I even copied the standard one from /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy to /etc without changing anything [11:43] I only need to restart hal, right? [11:43] where's your fdi file exactly, path+filename kthx [11:44] /etc/hal/fdi/policy/11-x11-synaptics.fdi [11:44] Camarade_Tux: I had to restart X too [11:44] hal only was not enough [11:45] next to the one which is successfully setting the keyboard map [11:45] Kaapa: yeah, hal then X [11:45] ok, thats the right place for it [11:47] madbear (n=dude@c83-253-152-125.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:47] mindbndr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: Client Quit [11:49] checking with hal-find-by-property [11:49] seems the default doesn't work here, gonna check others [11:50] http://www.slackbook.org/html/x-window-system.html#X-WINDOW-SYSTEM-1 <-- I'm reading this doc to configure Xorg, but it seems it has not been updated with hal, because i have a problem at startx, evreything is frozen, i even can not get back in a tty, it seems to be hal related , isn't it ? [11:50] gonna try info.product / SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad [11:50] Camarade_Tux: try this; [11:50] rmmod psmouse [11:50] modprobe psmouse [11:51] sidh: That's not necessarily a hal problem. What version of Slackware are you running? [11:51] i remember when i got my touchpad to work on my netbook there is a file in slack you need to change about how psmouse loads, though I am not recalling the exact file. [11:51] Alan_Hicks: 13.0 [11:51] sidh: Ok. Intel VGA card? [11:51] no radeonhd [11:52] Camarade_Tux: try that after you are in X and see if the touchpad starts working right away. [11:52] hmm.... I don't have any radeon hardware, so I'm not familiar with any problems it might create. [11:52] sidh: ah, some of those have issues (my brother had a similar problem with a radeonhd 3600) [11:52] Camarade, what product does the Dell Mini-9 have, is it synaptics? [11:52] rk4n3: it is a radeonhd 3650 [11:53] sidh: What you're seeing is very similar to problems caused by some buggy video drivers (mostly related to intel cards though). [11:53] info.product is SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad [11:53] sidh: yeah, I think its a buggy driver [11:53] sidh: Try running it in VGA mode to see if that helps. [11:53] sidh: my brother got it to work using the vesa driver, and its not quite as fast but definitely usable [11:53] Alan_Hicks: i just replace radeonhd by vga in xorg.conf ? [11:53] vesa... not VGA. Stupid me. [11:54] ok vesa [11:54] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [11:54] Hermann (n=Hermannn@92.241.194.6) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [11:54] Camarade_Tux: uncomment the line in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf [11:55] Hermann (n=Hermannn@ip-6-194-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Next, unload and reload the psmouse module (do this as root): modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse [11:55] sidh: fwiw, my brother keeps trying every new ATI proprietary driver update, and so far it still doesn't work for that card - they're not breaking any speed records getting it fixed [11:55] firedix (n=firedix@host232.200-45-95.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [11:55] mrselfpwn: afaik it's not using psmouse [11:55] but brb [11:55] i had to do it for mine [11:56] netbook with synaptics [11:56] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:56] i have a spare nvidia EN8400 GS, mybe that one should be well recognized [11:56] sidh: its not necessarily an "ATI thing" either - I have a high-end nVidia card with the same problem [11:57] sidh: I think the 8400GS chipset line all work well - try it if you like :) [11:57] (in bsd world, nvidia is avoided like cholera because of its buggy driver, and in linux wordl ati is avoided because of their drivers not maintained with kernel upgrade) [11:58] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [11:58] sidh: IMHO, *all* the video card manufacturers have been having driver issues in recent history [11:59] sidh: I use the BSD's myself, and its no different there [12:00] rk4n3: radeonhd driver works well with my GPU with FreeBSD, this is quite strange [12:00] Camarade_Tux: also give options psmouse proto=any or options psmouse proto=auto a try if the above options doesn't do the trick. [12:00] I've used the HD3450 with the fglrx drivers (and open source drivers) on Slackware without any real problems. [12:00] But not the 3650. Not sure what specific problem that one has. [12:00] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:01] adamk_: ou mean instead of setting "Driver radeonhd", you set "Driver fglrx" ? [12:01] the pkg tools says I have samba installed but the samba cmd gives : command not found ... what's up ? [12:01] great news, it's working :) [12:01] mrselfpwn: thanks a million :) [12:01] ;) [12:01] mancha: thanks too :) [12:01] sidh: Pretty much. Of course I had to install the driver first. [12:01] paul424: maybe samba commands are not in your path [12:02] No problem. 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[12:06] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:06] I have this issue: 2 computers with slack, both connected to internet, one by WLAN. the problem is that i want to connect to the WLAN one by SSH, but I don't own the router (it's a public one) [12:06] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [12:06] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [12:07] josteint1 (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Camarade_Tux: yeah, it was reported in Changes_and_Hints, though as a fix to problem when switching between kvms. Worked for the touchpad purpose though. [12:07] Action: mrselfpwn shrugs [12:08] mrselfpwn: can you have two-fingers support on your touchpad too? [12:08] s0d0 (n=bggr@host81-141-48-112.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:09] Camarade_Tux: I don't think mine supported it though yours might. [12:09] this one should [12:09] actually I got it *once* [12:09] I had 3-fingers scroll [12:09] There is a way to find out by playing with synclient. [12:09] nitro25 (n=nitro25@72.230.179.21) joined ##slackware. [12:10] synclient -s -m or synclient -m I believe [12:10] wants shm ;) [12:11] but it should work [12:11] bah, i wish I _knew_ exactly what it was. [12:11] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:12] I know that to get it to work I had to put options shm= true in xorg.conf [12:12] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:12] no problem, glad it worked out! [12:12] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-136.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:12] though for hal if not using xorg.conf I think it needs to be turned on in the policy section. [12:13] Nick change: Panzer_ -> Panzer [12:13] what command I do to start the samba server ? [12:13] damn it, amsynth locking up [12:13] On mayhaps? [12:13] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:14] SHMConfig = "true" actually [12:14] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.36.117) left irc: Connection timed out [12:14] or maybe 1 instead of On, i forgets [12:15] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:15] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:15] please please help me [12:15] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) joined ##slackware. [12:16] paul424: I already did. http://slackbook.org/html/security.html#AEN5102 [12:16] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:17] nightf0x09 (n=nightfox@85.204.98.27) left irc: "Leaving" [12:17] /etc/rc.d/rc.samba start mayhaps? [12:17] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) joined ##slackware. [12:18] is slackwiki down? Why am i seeing spam there [12:18] mancha: that does not working ... [12:18] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:19] Alan_Hicks: btw what are the rogue hamster's ? You mean the Boo ? [12:19] paul424: How about giving us an error message then? [12:19] paul424: WTF are you talking about? [12:19] Oh, nevermind. ;-) [12:20] This chapter is all about how to start securing your Slackware box against script kiddies, crackers and rogue hamsters alike. [12:20] Just something that popped into my head. [12:20] hehe [12:20] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) left irc: Client Quit [12:22] Alan_Hicks: but the class of Minsc in BG and BG II is ranger not rogue. [12:22] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:22] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] hiptobecubic, I saw someone mention that yesterday too [12:22] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:22] paul424: I really have no idea what you're talking about. [12:22] Alan_Hicks: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsc [12:22] It seems pretty important to me. Did someone let the domain expire and someone else snatched it up? [12:23] Hermann (n=Hermannn@ip-97-35-149-91.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:23] C'est Poss E-bay [12:24] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [12:24] looks like the domain has expired. [12:24] Alan_Hicks: see ? [12:24] http://slackwiki.org/ [12:25] hiptobecubic, whois states an expiration date for 27th.... must not have contacted him about it [12:25] anyone know the ip? [12:25] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:25] 69.64.147.211 [12:26] anyone in Maine? could give E_Hanson a call? [12:26] mancha, `host slackwiki.org` [12:26] Maine/Michegan.... who knows [12:26] here it shows an exp date of 10.27.10 [12:26] hiptobecubic: Just look at whois. [12:26] hipto, that doesn't quite work on an expired domain, does it now [12:26] Last updated about 24 hours ago. [12:26] mancha, it's not expired. someone is using it. go look. [12:27] i read someone here said it expired, thats what i based my comment on [12:27] hiptobecubic, thats a registrar parked template if I'm not mistaken though [12:27] yes [12:27] theblackbox, possibly. I don't know anything about web-admin [12:27] looks like they grabbed it. [12:28] for 1 year [12:28] yeah, they' park that douchebag of a template on it for 3-6 months before releasing it for registration [12:28] so, i'll ask again, anyone know the ip for the old slackwiki.org? [12:29] wth would know that? [12:29] straterra? [12:29] Am i misunderstanding the 'whois' then? It says it's owned by E Hanson in Maine? Why would the registrar 'park' something there if he still has it? [12:29] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] hiptobecubic, see the "Status:AUTORENEWPERIOD" [12:30] hiptobecubic: You obviously have no idea how DNS works. [12:30] Alan_Hicks, i believe i stated that earlier. [12:30] :D [12:30] lol, he did. [12:31] So... autorenewperiod is related to this not being renewed? [12:31] hiptobecubic: It could already be renewed, the registrat could have already flipped the switch, and you'd still see that page for some time to come. [12:31] when creates a new user, what I have to put in Initial group? [12:31] Alan_Hicks, ahh ok. [12:31] MN is Minnesota, BTW [12:31] ME is main [12:31] Maine* [12:31] bah! [12:31] veritos, right you are. My mistake. [12:31] But yes, it almost certainly has lapsed and hasn't been renewed. [12:31] So this is because it wasn't renewed in time, presumably? [12:32] yes [12:32] May not be renewed yet. [12:32] edu: needs to be in users and video,audio,plugdev,netdev,cdrom,floppy [12:33] and any other you want it in. [12:33] ah ok thanks mrselfpwn [12:33] I'm going to search te list of it [12:33] edu: no problem [12:33] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@ip-40-192-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:33] users daemon wheel floppy audio video cdrom games plugdev power netdev vboxusers kvm [12:33] those are my groups, though may not be what you want. [12:34] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [12:34] suatalpoglu (n=suatalpo@78.174.47.200) joined ##slackware. [12:35] yes, it is thanks mrselfpwn [12:36] okay yw [12:37] i guess they'll have to grab http://www.slackwarewiki.org/ [12:37] ;D [12:37] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:38] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:41] \o/ [12:43] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [12:43] Camarade_Tux: would you mind pasting your final policy for the synaptics mouse? Somehow I lost it when I repartitioned my harddrive. [12:43] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) left irc: [12:45] Ok. So if my SSH server is behind a NAT (a public router that I don't control) i could do reverse SSH to access it? [12:46] elisdj (n=jeo@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] ssh -NR 3333:sshserver:22 me@client is good? [12:47] what if i want to make it run everytime the server get's online? [12:47] I fell asleep and my keyboard got stuck under my pillow edge last night. I woke up this morning and in a daze pressed enter and ended up sending 16 pages of periods to another channel. [12:49] cool [12:49] it was #ubuntu? [12:49] no it wasn't. [12:49] i hope [12:49] lol no, it was my shell account channel. [12:50] blinkenshell.org [12:51] you can get redemption if you want. it's simple: helping me with the aforementioned issue :D [12:52] Azeotrope: I don't know though it's a good question i'd like to find out about. [12:52] so i could get a shell for free? i always wanted that! [12:52] Azeotrope: yep. and they are updating the server soon too. [12:53] mrselfpwn, well, i'll tell you when i'll find out [12:53] thanks. :) [12:53] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [12:53] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166056184.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:53] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:54] Azeotrope: and I will vouche for you in blinkenshell if you decide to join. [12:54] veritos (n=veritos@sfrench.cs.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:55] whooo, using netcat for IRC since the client on my school's workstation is broken! [12:55] stupid library errors [12:55] I want to. Thank you! Let me just read the stuff, to know what I have to do [12:55] they should stop using fedora [12:55] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) left irc: "Quitte" [12:56] mrselfpwn: my police is useless right now [12:56] ACTION gives up [12:56] Camarade_Tux: i will come rob a locale bank near you then. [12:56] veritos (n=veritos@sfrench.cs.washington.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:57] Axius (n=fjmkofj@92.82.89.20) joined ##slackware. [12:57] elisdj (n=jeo@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] :) j/k though I thought you got it working with it. [12:58] mrselfpwn: I mean, it doesn't work, it does nothing [12:59] Camarade_Tux: Okay, what I ended up doing for my netbook was making an xorg.conf with all the options listed in synclient -l and tweaked them from there. [13:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] yeah, I think I'll do that [13:00] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Azeotrope_ (n=azeotrop@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Camarade_Tux: http://vpaste.net/53LQf? To make it easier so you don't have to edit as much here is mine. [13:03] Azeotrope_ (n=azeotrop@193.239.140.184) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:03] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [13:03] jhw (n=jhw@p548F40D3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:03] mwnn (n=user@59.92.170.88) joined ##slackware. [13:04] mrselfpwn: thanks ;-) [13:04] neonflux (n=neonflux@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:04] Azeotrope_ (n=azeotrop@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [13:04] freelibrary (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [13:04] sdrv (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Camarade_Tux: No problem and just as a note there is an error I just noticed in there where I didn't close out Option "AlwayCore" with a quote. :) [13:04] Hi, I have built and installed emacs-23.1 using the official Emacs Slackbuild script. The info pages for Elisp, org-mode etc. are missing [13:07] mwnn: slackbuild? not using the official slackware packages? [13:07] spook: Slackware 13.0 has Emacs 22. So i removed that package and built a new one for Emacs 23.1 [13:08] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Leaving." [13:08] and got the build script from...? [13:08] The source directory of slackware distribution. [13:08] The script was for Emacs 22 [13:08] and changed the version in the slackbuild and expected it to just work [13:08] spook: hopefully [13:09] Camarade_Tux: Just one last thing, when using the xorg.conf I think it's appropriate to comment the line back out in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf. [13:09] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [13:09] mwnn: so you came here to point out that a build you made a fairly major change to, has some missing info pages? [13:09] Azeotrope (n=azeotrop@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:09] spook: The info pages for Emacs itself is installed [13:09] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) joined ##slackware. [13:09] pireau (i=1000@208.92.18.96) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:10] mwnn: are the info pages missing in the official emacs 22 package? [13:10] spook: no [13:11] mwnn: i'd be thankful that emacs runs. its not really our problem that a package you built is missing info pages. [13:11] sorry to sound like a jerk, but we cant really help you. [13:11] mwnn: seems you need to scour over your slackbuild to see what's going on. [13:11] last night, i fell asleep with my face in bjarne's book [13:11] spook: I know that. But i was trying to find someone who has already faced this issue. [13:11] Azeotrope_ (n=azeotrop@193.239.140.184) left irc: Client Quit [13:12] spook: looks like i have to solve the issue on my own [13:12] mwnn: what's wrong with the emacs that is installed with slackware? [13:12] mwnn: software that is included in slackware, is not on slackbuilds.org, especially not emacs [13:12] mrselfpwn: Slackware 13.0 comes with Emacs 22. Emacs 23 has pretty good features. [13:13] I thought emacs included a slackware package with its os? [13:13] thumbs: :) [13:13] mwnn: you are more than welcome to change your system as you like, but its up to you to fix things like info pages yourself. [13:14] mwnn: you can get the official slackware-current slackbuild and try to manipulate to suit your needs. [13:14] spook: yes, you are right about that. I will fix it. [13:14] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp079166056184.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:14] suatalpoglu (n=suatalpo@78.174.47.200) left irc: "Leaving" [13:15] mrselfpwn: yes, it would be pretty easy if slackware-current has Emacs 23. But let me search. [13:15] Azeotrope (n=ludwig@193.239.140.184) joined ##slackware. [13:15] slackware-current has emacs 22.3 [13:15] spook: ok [13:16] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] Axius (n=fjmkofj@92.82.89.20) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:16] GNU Emacs 22.3.1 [13:16] if you want the cutting edge version of emacs included in your distro, you are using the wrong emacs bootloader [13:18] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-27-176-175.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:18] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.39.128) joined ##slackware. [13:18] pireau (i=1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) joined ##slackware. [13:21] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.50.83) joined ##slackware. [13:21] how do you make irssi to blink a channel's name when my nick is written there? [13:22] would I like to upgrade all to current [13:22] Azeotrope: you don't [13:24] thumbs: why? [13:24] john_dee (n=id@95-29-12-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:24] Azeotrope, because it doesn't include that feature [13:24] write a plugin [13:24] josteint_ (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [13:25] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [13:26] hiptobecubic: ok... but what about a beep.. or some colouring? [13:26] Bonix (n=Bonix@201.17.216.13) left irc: Client Quit [13:26] the window number changes color on mine [13:26] Azeotrope, i'm using xchat. irssi is not my cup of tee. [13:26] or tea [13:27] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [13:27] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [13:27] Azeotrope: uh, it should change to purple, when you nick is used to prefix the line, if you configure it differently you can make it highlight on any condition [13:28] chee: unless you know what you're doing, dont. [13:29] Action: mrselfpwn is on current. [13:29] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:30] everything is working [13:32] congrats [13:32] spook: what are you saying to me [13:32] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [13:33] chee, he's saying you're a retard [13:33] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138139109.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:34] justin`: mentally challenged. [13:34] rk4n3: in fact the error i have with freezing X is : (EE) config/hal: couldn't initialise context: unknown error (null) [13:34] be more pc [13:34] :( [13:34] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.42.117) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:34] chee: no i'm saying, unless you know what you're doing, dont. if you think you know what you're doing, give it a shot! [13:34] Wiren (n=aad@LRouen-152-81-20-240.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: [13:34] i've never written perl in my life [13:34] i would not suggest something quite new to slackware gives -current a try. [13:34] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:35] frood (n=frood@212.183.140.53) joined ##slackware. [13:35] ohh! [13:35] you're talking to me about that [13:35] i had forgotten about asking that [13:35] anyone tell me how to change me keyboard from US to GB ? [13:35] i used to edit xorg but cant see it now [13:35] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:36] yessss [13:36] give me a second [13:36] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:36] wha, i's gonnne [13:37] layout "uk" [13:37] yep [13:37] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:37] however, I think was the option [13:37] i set mine up last night using a command, ive me one second [13:38] the layout is ok without X just X still on american layout [13:38] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:38] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [13:39] wtf I can't find i ;_; [13:39] *it [13:39] if anyone has logs of this room from yesterday [13:39] yeah ive been lazy i havent googled yet ill have alook [13:40] cat slackware.log | grep macintosh [13:40] and you'll see the command i used, if you replace that macintosh with your own, you'll win [13:40] i just installed 13 today ..normally edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf file [13:40] with 12.2 [13:41] Option "Xkblayout" "uk" [13:41] is the xorg.conf option [13:41] which file chee ? ..i dont have xorg.conf in /etc/X11/ [13:41] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:42] xorg.conf-vesa [13:42] ? [13:42] Azeotrope (n=ludwig@193.239.140.184) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:42] sure, cp that to /etc/X11/xorg.conf [13:42] it's full of lovely settings information [13:42] gives you all sorts of sexy advice and options [13:43] frood: in 13 you edit hal policy, not xorg.conf [13:43] john_dee is correct. [13:43] how do i do that john_dee ? [13:43] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@ip-69-194-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [13:43] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:43] frood: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/08/30/slackware-13-0-xorg-hal/ [13:43] thanks [13:43] unless you disable hal input detection, setting up input settings in xorg.conf will either not have any effect, or break things [13:44] mrselfpwn: I prefer imps and no xorg.conf I think [13:44] disabling hal input detection is undesirable, as you dont get automatic detection. [13:44] yeah [13:44] it avoids erratic beahviour of the touchpad: when the cursor jumps [13:44] odd, i don't recall disabling that [13:45] here : http://archive.netbsd.se/?ml=xorg&a=2009-09&t=11543665 they talk about the version 1.6.3.901 of xorg, but mine is 1.6.3-i486-1, do you know how to upgrade [13:45] ? [13:46] ch-b (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [13:46] Camarade_Tux: Yes, I notice that happens. Been trying to figure out the cure myself. [13:46] sidh: if you have to ask that question, you shouldn't be trying to upgrade xorg on your own. [13:46] spook: All the info files seem to have been installed at /usr/share/info. I needed to only run the "install-info" command on missing info pages. [13:47] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-166-98.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Gulug (n=old-time@189.56.21.197) left irc: Connection timed out [13:48] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [13:48] spook: well i know how to install slackbuild (i learnt it today) but for system packages i don't know, will man slackpkg to see if it is this command to use [13:50] mwnn: see, you worked it out for yourself. [13:50] spook: Not really. Got some help at #emacs [13:50] mwnn: now write a blog post about it, get it indexed by google, so if someone googles the problems they will know how to fix it [13:51] sidh: yeah... 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[13:55] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-171-16.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:55] well slackpkg upgrade-all desn't offer me to upgrade xorg, so i supposed it is the latest versaion available for 13.0 [13:56] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-171-16.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] mwnn (n=user@59.92.170.88) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [13:57] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:58] sidh: ... [13:58] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-066-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:59] spook: ??? [14:02] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) joined ##slackware. [14:02] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [14:03] Action: spook facepalms [14:04] i don't understand why spook facepalms [14:05] Action: spook facepalms even more [14:05] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:06] facepalms? [14:06] i don't understand how spook can facepalm farther [14:06] rk4n3: with vesa, it freezes too [14:07] strankan (n=strankan@c-decd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-135-117.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [14:09] sidh: I don't use slackpkg, but it shouldn't be difficult to find out what's being updated (and which updates are available). Simply look at the update directory -- where slackpkg is pointing at. [14:10] fonseg (n=bnguyen@113.22.110.224) joined ##slackware. [14:10] sidh: You switched to the vesa driver in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and X freezes? [14:10] sidh: you did slackpkg update first right? [14:11] is that true slackbuilds.org assumes that i installed all pkgs in the /l folder of the slackware dvd? [14:12] mrselfpwn: yes [14:12] Action: spook facepalms even more even more [14:12] Action: mrselfpwn kicks spook in the nuts. [14:13] and slackpkg upgrade-all [14:13] how about slackpkg install-new ?? [14:13] didn't try [14:13] Action: mrselfpwn facepalms. [14:13] Action: sidh rtfm again [14:14] sidh: Maybe I asked you this before, but have you confirmed that the machine is completely locked up by trying to login remotely via ssh? [14:14] no if i ssh before startx it is ok [14:14] i always do that , because i can not shutdown X, so i 'reboot' [14:14] Can you pastebin your full /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? [14:14] Many facepalms today. [14:14] sure [14:14] How are you starting X? [14:15] what is a facepalms? [14:15] adamk_: yes it is [14:15] "yes it is" is not an answer to "How are you starting X?" :-) [14:15] yes it is starting [14:15] rofl [14:15] haha [14:15] hahahahahaah, I'm dying over here [14:16] sidh: It's not a yes or no question. [14:16] He didn't as IF it is, but HOW you are starting it. [14:16] HOW [14:16] ask* [14:16] Ok, now I see why so many facepalms. [14:16] lol [14:16] lol [14:16] sidh: http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1582 [14:16] y0 mrselfpwn [14:16] ohh sorry i didn't see the how [14:16] y0 fire|bird [14:16] i un startx as user [14:16] mrselfpwn: How's it going? [14:16] s/un/run [14:16] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] OK, now that's an answer :-) [14:16] i first ran xorgsetup [14:16] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [14:16] fire|bird: not bad not bad [14:17] playing some poker. :) [14:17] :) [14:17] answers some questions, then just replaces Driver with radeonhd first [14:17] and vesa in a second time [14:17] sidh: do the slackpkg install-new [14:17] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:17] no [14:17] fonseg (n=bnguyen@113.22.110.224) left irc: "leaving" [14:18] Action: Nick_Patterson facepalms [14:18] i'm pasting the Xorg.log [14:18] lol [14:18] Nick_Patterson: succame to the pressure of others facepalming? :P [14:18] fire|bird: mrselfpwn made me do it. [14:18] lol [14:20] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@87.248.164.65) joined ##slackware. [14:20] Hello! [14:20] hi [14:20] fire|bird: Hey, how are you? [14:20] http://blag.xkcd.com/2008/01/14/robot9000-and-xkcd-signal-attacking-noise-in-chat/ [14:21] shik4nt4z4: good, you? [14:21] this is what ##slackware needs [14:21] fire|bird: I am good too. [14:24] http://pastie.org/675449 [14:25] jareth__ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:25] madbear (n=dude@83.253.152.125) joined ##slackware. [14:27] Paz_ (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-171-16.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:27] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.163.223) joined ##slackware. [14:27] mrselfpwn: slackpkg install-new offers me to install the package i didn't want to install at the install process [14:27] it didn't offers me to upgrade xorg [14:27] sidh: It looks like Hal isn't picking up your input devices. Try setting AutoAddDevices to False in the ServerLayout or ServerFlags section of your xorg.conf file. [14:27] then choose not to install the ones you don't want. [14:28] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:29] adamk_: already did that (that is the same trick in freebsd) but nothing changes [14:30] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.156) joined ##slackware. [14:30] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:30] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) joined ##slackware. [14:30] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [14:30] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Did the log file show that the mouse and keyboard were enabled when you did that? [14:31] Shoot, gotta go. [14:31] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] justin` (n=justin`@unaffiliated/justin) left irc: "Leaving" [14:35] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] cricket[b] (i=cricket@ip98-164-87-51.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Client Quit [14:44] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:44] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.148.188) joined ##slackware. [14:45] OffTopic: Anyone know a lot about car engines? [14:45] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:45] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.148.188) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:46] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Nope! [14:46] Nick_Patterson, I know a fair amount [14:47] How can i insert an ASCII character (degree symbol) into a file in vim/ [14:47] ?*\ [14:48] nvm, ctrl+v [14:48] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:48] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-216-67.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:48] Cryp71c: V6, 3.5L. Recent tune-up included new oil (5W30), oil and air filters, spark plugs, a PCV valve, and a battery. High-grade gasoline (until recently). Since the tune-up, I've lost 70 - 90 KM per tank of gas. What the hell? [14:49] any advice on doing a hdd read stress test with dd? [14:49] adamk: mrselfpwn that's ok now [14:49] I get lot of hdd timeouts all the time but I dont know if its the sata controller or the disk itself I dont have another sata drive to test now [14:50] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Cryp71c: Someone suggested that I might have a faulty O2 sensor, but everything was all good before the tune-up. Spark plug gaps are all correct, etc. [14:51] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [14:51] when i reboot, i realized hald wasn't launched because of libdbus-glib[blah] not found, i installed it from the sets, and it works, only to check why my french kb layout is not working, but i can run X with my radeonhd driver [14:51] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.148.188) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Action: sidh realized the pain for a slack n00b when he doesn't choose a full install [14:52] Nick_Patterson, a faulty 02 sensor wouldn't result in that large of a loss, not to mention it doesn't fit with what was changed in your tune up. [14:52] sidh: Did you not see *full install (RECOMMENDED)* ? :P [14:53] If you want tons of splat on your disks. [14:53] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [14:53] For those of us who grew up with Suns and small disks, full installs look yucky. [14:54] caoliver: personal preferences aside, a full install is recommended unless you really know what you're doing. [14:54] Paz (n=Paz@70.233.148.188) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] Cryp71c: The only other thing I can think of is this: The high-grade gasonline (several tanks) might be detrimental to fuel mileage. So, I'm testing this theory now by running mid-grade instead. [14:54] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] Nick_Patterson: i 'm not used to install kde and xfce by default on a install, i thought i could choose afterward (like i did on debian or freebsd) [14:54] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) left irc: "Leaving" [14:55] this is my first slackwaer experience , for the moment i'm pleased [14:55] Action: caoliver started with SunOS, and was a Linux/Solaris admin in the mind to late nineties. [14:56] s/mind/mid/ [14:56] Nick_Patterson, to get the 'obvious' reasons out of the way first: have you changed any tires recently, checked tire air pressure, significantly changed the weight of the vehicle? [14:56] Action: caoliver freely admits his typing may be ghastly from time to time. [14:57] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [14:57] BTW I have a file (conkyrc) that has a degree symbol that looks fine in the file, but when i run conky, I get a funny 'A' and then the degree symbol. [14:58] Cryp71c: One of the very first things I checked -- pressure. Constant throughout this whole thing. Oil? I don't know what was used before, but conventional (I think) is safe and the lower viscous grade I chose would, if anything, increase fuel efficiency [14:58] hmara (n=wertik@95-27-176-175.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [14:58] Cryp71c: Could be an issue with the font you are using to have conky display the symbol not supporting that symbol. [14:58] sed [14:59] fire|bird, ahh, hrm. indeed [14:59] jemark (n=mark@62.143.39.202) left irc: Client Quit [14:59] Nick_Patterson, is your engine specifically designed for high grade gas? [14:59] Cryp71c: Really confused. The computer used to tell me 490 KM to Empty, now it says 400 KM. I guess I can't rule out gas until I've gone through a few tanks. [15:00] Cryp71c: Mid-grade is recommended. [15:00] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@ip-69-194-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:00] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@ip-165-196-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Nick_Patterson, octane rating that is too high is not good. Engines are designed with a fuel in mind. They are depending on knowing the temperature that the fuel will burn at, the oxygen required etc. You can't just stir it up and expect it to improve because the gas is 'more flammable' [15:01] Put some jetfuel in there and you'll see what i mean :) [15:01] hiptobecubic, thats what he's saying. He was using high-grade and (after a tune-up involving a variety of part-replacements) now he's using mid-grade and getting worse gas mileage. [15:01] hiptobecubic: lol [15:02] caoliver: basically i'm kindly asking you recommend to people completely new, ie; installing slackware for the first time, please recommend a full install :) [15:02] hiptobecubic: I only recently discovered that high-grade might actually be bad for fuel efficiency. [15:02] Nick_Patterson, have you noticed any leakage under the engine after driving the car? [15:03] julioc (n=Who@201-68-32-71.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:03] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:03] spook: actually partial with a guru available would be best. How do people learn? This is not Ubuntu. [15:04] Or are people not supposed to learn? [15:04] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [15:04] I don't recommend full install. [15:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@c-68-34-175-102.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] caoliver: they can learn after they install a working system for the first time. [15:04] That is too much like the "use only sudo" crowd. [15:04] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) joined ##slackware. [15:05] I recommend that you read about what you are going to install first. If you can't take the time to do that then slackware isn't going to work out for you and the linux community will be better off not having another lazy nay-sayer with a torched harddrive complaining about how it's not ready for desktop use [15:05] I think there's much to commend doing things the tough way to start. [15:05] Bravo. [15:05] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:05] Cryp71c: Tranny fluid from the external cooler, but I fixed that the other day. [15:05] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:06] i started with ubuntu specifically because i'd read it was from drool-n-click. Since i knew that i knew almost nothing, that's what i wanted. but i READ about it first. When i realized that it wasn't as hard as everyone seems to think, i looked at some other distros and then made the switch to slackware. [15:06] hiptobecubic has solid advice [15:06] Nick_Patterson, my thoughts are that - among everything that was replaced - the PCV valve is the component which best explains the loss in fuel efficiency. If it was installed incorrectly or debris got into the crankcase during that replacement which is inhibiting the operation of that valve (and/or the PCV system as a whole) [15:06] Nick change: julioc -> freebird [15:06] Slack makes a lean and mean workstation though with the right partial. [15:06] Nick change: freebird -> julioc|zzz [15:07] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:07] caoliver: its hard for a new user to know what they will and wont use, which is why they should do a full install for their first install. [15:07] Cryp71c: Yes, I thought that as well. Took the (new) PCV out, shook it, and it rattles. So, it's not plugged or anything. But you just gave me an idea. I still have the old PCV. [15:07] jareth_ (n=X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:07] That's where EDUCATION is important. [15:07] caoliver: thats why, the SECOND time they install slackware, they can do whatever, partial, full. [15:07] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] Cryp71c: Thanks :) [15:08] Nick_Patterson, np [15:08] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:08] I don't think Slack is a distro for the naive. [15:08] Nor should it be. [15:08] ped (n=x3@189.57.19.89) joined ##slackware. [15:08] caoliver: i think it is. [15:08] but its sink or swim [15:08] no floation aids like in ubuntu [15:08] phzin (n=x3@unaffiliated/phzin) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:08] caoliver: You don't think Slackware is for the natives? :P [15:09] Nick change: ped -> phzin [15:09] john_dee (n=id@95-29-12-184.broadband.corbina.ru) left ##slackware. [15:09] Depends on what they're native to. [15:09] caoliver: Natives ----> North American indians [15:09] lol, that one went over his head Nick_Patterson :P [15:10] I believe there may be other types of "Natives". [15:10] hey hiptobecubic, how's it going? [15:10] NAIVE not NATIVE. No "T" [15:11] caoliver, it's absolutely spelled with the 't' [15:11] naive is a different word altogether [15:11] fire|bird, it's going swimmingly [15:11] Action: caoliver bangs his head on the table. [15:11] caoliver: you are being trolled. [15:11] caoliver: don't displace that last brain cell. :P [15:11] Action: hiptobecubic boos loudly at spook [15:12] caoliver: Yeah, I was joking around. [15:12] I guess I'm being naive... or was that native? [15:12] as much as i was enjoying watching that, its not conductive making this channel less-shit [15:12] fire|bird: lol [15:12] :D [15:12] Brain cells are overrated. [15:12] sdrv (n=notRoot@85.183.133.34) left irc: Connection timed out [15:13] caoliver: until you don't have any. ;) [15:13] fire|bird knows [15:13] but then, without any, you wouldn't know the difference, so...... [15:13] lol, i was just going to say that. :P [15:13] hey now, don't turn this on me. :P [15:13] y0 agentc0re|work [15:13] yo [15:13] Greets. [15:13] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [15:13] spook: this is the best channel on the internet [15:14] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] no, #xkcd-signal is the best channel [15:14] chee, in what sense? [15:14] a good mixture of Real Help, Good Advice, Bad Advice, trolling, day-to-day chat, idiots and entertaining people [15:15] thats us [15:15] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [15:15] I am not so sure if that is the right mixture or a good mixture. [15:15] chee: That describes just spook alone. [15:15] Action: fire|bird runs [15:15] that sounds like a shitty drink. [15:15] howdy BP{k}, how are you? [15:15] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:16] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176083217.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:16] where you do you fall in under chee? [15:16] awesome mohito i had the other week [15:16] I think it's a pretty standard potion for IRC. [15:16] fire|bird: I am good :) trying to make sense ofthe pretty colours in gvim to actually resemble stuff I wrote ;) [15:16] spok mind meld [15:16] i'm a bad idiot, agentc0re [15:16] BP{k}: haha, and how's that going? [15:16] agentc0re|work: err, what?!?, where you do you fall in under? :P [15:16] fire|bird: a lot of "what the fuck was I thinking here and was I sober" ;) [15:17] lol [15:17] fire|bird: that category got left out. :P [15:17] BP{k}: i'd safely bet the answers of, no and no. :P [15:17] agentc0re|work: and, apparently you're the lone ranger in that one eh? :P [15:17] fire|bird: i dunno, do you wanna be part of the unknown club? [15:17] no and no? no doesn't answer the first question. [15:18] what were you thinking, fire|bird? [15:18] i need to go buy some frangelico for saturday [15:18] fire|bird: no as in, no, i was not thinking. [15:18] agentc0re|work: doh! [15:18] Action: BP{k} smacks agentc0re|work [15:18] lol [15:18] aha [15:18] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] agentc0re|work: See, the issue there is, I read BP{k}'s writing, not what you read into that writing. :P [15:19] Ah, it's the Weird0ne [15:19] phzin (n=x3@unaffiliated/phzin) left ##slackware. [15:20] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frangelico <<< this stuff is really nice. smells and tastes like cookies [15:20] elisdj (n=jeo@c-24-5-73-175.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:23] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:23] fire|bird, did you get seamonkey built eventually? [15:23] Smells like what and tastes like what?! [15:24] cookie juice! [15:24] Nick_Patterson: cookies. [15:24] seriously, cookies. [15:24] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.189.177) joined ##slackware. [15:24] 'This drink-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.' [15:25] there are lots of different kind of cookies though. [15:25] spook: you should add that it tastes like cookies. [15:25] chee: No, I'm still trying to get libpng patched. [15:25] I'd buy it if it smelled like fish and tasted like chicken. [15:25] cookie flavored chicken? or chicken flavored cookies? [15:25] fire|bird, :{ it's been about 14 hours [15:26] chee: half of that was spent on sleeping. :) [15:26] fire|bird, you lazy sod! [15:26] lazy?!?!?!?!? [15:26] like, choc chip cookie smell [15:26] dragonmst: :) [15:26] >:0 [15:26] fire|bird: what? you slept for the first time... in god.. i dunno how long.. wtf? [15:26] I asked during the night about an issue with krunner after upgrading to kde 4.3.2 (slackware64-current), and I looked on the 'net for some ideas, but although it seems that other people have had thes same problem I couldn't find a solution [15:26] agentc0re|work: hahahaha [15:28] I'm talking about alt-f2 launching xfrun4instead of krunner - anyone know any way to make krunner default alt-f2 action/ [15:28] peacenik: i gave you the solution last night. [15:29] about global keyboard shortcuts you mean spook? [15:29] peacenik: pretty much yeah [15:29] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] spook: because that doesn't deal with it [15:30] oh? [15:30] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) left irc: "Leaving" [15:30] that just allows to change the hotkey combination but not the app that is launched [15:31] heh. [15:31] egregor_ (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) joined ##slackware. [15:31] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Nick collision from services. [15:31] Nick change: egregor_ -> egregor [15:33] the issue is discussed on http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/why-does-krunner-not-show-up-when-pressing-altf2-in-slackware64-ver.-13.0-753320/ but it doesn't really solve it [15:34] peacenik: -current is not something you should expect to have no problems. [15:34] peacenik: report any problems, along with the fix if you can find it [15:34] I had that same issue with 13, fixed with a simple restart. [15:35] that's fine, I'm just wondering if there is a way to set krunner as the default alt-f2, and it isn't only slackware - I've seen references to this for fedora and others [15:35] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.32) joined ##slackware. [15:36] peacenik: If it's non-distro specific, have you spoke with #kde and/or #xfce? [15:36] dchmelik (n=d@66.243.232.25) joined ##slackware. [15:36] peacenik: obviously its an upstream issue so take it up with them [15:36] fire|bird: I tried that, even a complete reboot (shutdown, restart) [15:38] I posted to kde chat last night and there was silence [15:38] Did you turn the switch off and madly push the on/off button for 2 hours? :P [15:38] Have not tried xfce [15:38] hahaha [15:38] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30E8A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:40] bah, I'm not even getting anything from using the --verbose option with patch. :/ [15:40] Lapmann (n=Hermannn@ip-165-196-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) joined ##slackware. [15:42] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@93.107.89.113) joined ##slackware. [15:42] fire, what're you breaking now? :) [15:42] mancha: I'm trying to build Seamonkey 2.0, which needs apng, therefore libpng needs to be patched. [15:42] try --please-work and --pretty-please? [15:43] josteint1 (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:43] hey excuses|expedited [15:43] er Urchlay [15:43] hey overcoat|bombing [15:43] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [15:44] eh, you're trying to patch libpng and getting what? [15:44] what's apng again? [15:44] Urchlay: patching it for apng (animated portable network graphics) [15:45] which Seamonkey now needs, unless you disable png altogether. [15:45] using this? http://littlesvr.ca/apng/diff/libpng-1.2.40-apng.patch [15:45] lol, Poor silvergold, nobody likes him/her. He/She was attacked 25 times.      * Camarade_Tux hits phoenix^ with a rod [15:45] that's a lame design decision on their part... eh, so the patch fails? [15:45] agentc0re|work: LOL [15:45] Urchlay: I'm not really getting any output, error or anything with the patch, it just sits there. [15:46] agentc0re|work: hahaha [15:46] agentc0re|work: What page is that on? [15:46] I need light reading. [15:46] http://wigglit.ath.cx/slackware_stats2/ [15:46] are you doing "patch -p1 file"? that'll be waiting for you to enter the patch on standard input, you need "patch -p1 < file" [15:46] (the -p1 might need to be -p0, etc) [15:46] fire|bird: still #1, silvergold (127 names) [15:47] agentc0re|work: \o/ [15:47] Urchlay: patch --verbose -p1 > libpng-1.2.37-apng.patch [15:47] fire|bird: i think the goal should be 1000 in a year. [15:47] agentc0re|work: Don't give me any ideas. :P [15:47] put the patch inside the source dir and type "patch --verbose -p0 < name_of_patch [15:47] the > needs to be a < [15:47] agentc0re|work: Thanks :) [15:47] Urchlay: doh! [15:47] redirecting stdout to the patch file is kinda guaranteed not to work... [15:47] lol [15:48] you might need to dl the patch again [15:48] Hmm... I can't seem to find a patch in there anywhere. [15:48] http://spooksoftware.com/spook/irssistats/slackware.html slightly more relevant stats, only the last 8 months [15:49] evenuing all [15:49] evening dive [15:49] hows goes fire|bird, spook? [15:49] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] not bad [15:49] dive: good, thanks. you? [15:50] drunk as a skunk [15:50] fire|bird: According to spook, you have some serious emotional issues. :P [15:50] nah - sobering up now [15:50] firedix (n=firedix@host232.200-45-95.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:50] Nick_Patterson: yeah, but who really listens to spook anyway? :P [15:50] Too much Sake? [15:50] dive: whats your poison? [15:50] real ale fest started yesterday [15:50] fire|bird: you forgot /me runs away [15:50] Where? [15:50] Axius (n=ojof@92.82.89.20) left irc: "Leaving" [15:50] fire|bird: appears -p0 is correct for this patch [15:51] spook, I tried a few ales - some good, some a bit dodgy but all drunk [15:51] fire|bird: Numbers DON"T lie! [15:51] Urchlay: yeah, I got it working now. Thanks. [15:51] dive: where is the fest? [15:51] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:51] caoliver, all wetherspoons pubs in UK [15:51] dive: i had some really nice cider the other day [15:51] spook: I'm not scared anymore, I realized it was just a mask you were wearing. :P [15:51] compiling because the sec release is lagging? [15:51] i love how on spooks stats page that fire|bird is number one and his hours are about even for 3 of the 4 hour quarter blocks. 6 hours of sleep and 18 hours of chat. [15:52] See?! [15:52] Some serious issues. [15:52] Action: Nick_Patterson gives fire|bird some Nytol. [15:52] agentc0re|work: its just stats generated from my logs, but they are only the last 8 months instead of the last 6 or so years like unixfool's [15:52] I've just submitted SBs for hydrogen and some req'd libs like portmidi. Now I need some other ideas for decent music generating apps. [15:52] dive: cool. I wondered, 'cos we're getting a few decent micros in the States, though with small production it's catch as catch can on availability. [15:53] Nick_Patterson: NO, NO, not the....Zzzzzzzzzzz [15:53] spook, when are those stats from? [15:53] Action: Nick_Patterson gives fire|bird some medication that bipolars take :P [15:53] ='( [15:53] mancha: read the month by month data :) [15:53] I haven't managed to properly configure a computer =/ [15:53] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@93.107.158.50) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] Axius (n=ojof@92.84.25.235) joined ##slackware. [15:53] I haven't seen Old_fogie in forever and he's in the top 20 :) [15:53] 890179 lines (275 days) parsed in 9 seconds [15:53] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-246-244-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [15:54] mancha: ya, jeev pissed him off and he left. [15:54] mancha: and eviljames! [15:54] shyko (n=francisc@187.39.213.43) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [15:54] Camarade_Tux: eviljames has alot going on and has been away from irc for a little while. [15:54] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:55] EKayFive (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:55] it's amazing how someone can be awol about a year and still be in the top 20, he had to have talked a lot back then [15:55] fire|bird: yeah ='( [15:55] mancha: Old_fogie hasn't been away for about a year [15:55] Camarade_Tux: It's been close to a year. [15:55] i'll take out the people who arent coming back like quiznos and missyjane [15:56] Axius (n=ojof@92.84.25.235) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] if it had been more than a year he wouldnt be in the stats [15:56] they aren't coming back? [15:56] fire|bird: :o [15:56] dive: k-lined [15:56] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:56] fire|bird: means he left almost as soon as I joined ='( [15:56] I can understand quiznos but missyjane? [15:56] quiznos has been k-lined? [15:56] the only one that excites me about not coming back is fire|bird's gf, missyjane..! :D [15:56] :P [15:56] hah my quote was me announcing that slack's bind _was_ vulnerable to the recent sploit [15:57] Camarade_Tux: yes [15:57] generating... [15:57] i remember missyjane, she's the one who tried to school me on linux secrity on my first day back here after my long vacation [15:57] k-lined? kicked? [15:57] I must have missed the fun. What did Missyjane do? [15:57] 29 alienBOB 54642 61 "You carry a history now, and I do not forget" <------- *gulp* [15:57] why has quiznos been k-lined btw? [15:57] Camarade_Tux: didn't happen here. [15:58] agentc0re|work: k-lined [15:58] dunno about the klines, ask freenode staff. kline = network ban [15:58] agentc0re|work, k-lined means that your ip/host is banned from the network totally [15:58] oh snap! [15:58] Nick_Patterson: yeah that was a good one. [15:58] Stuffed in a Kline bottle, never to return. [15:59] tvn2009 (n=tvn@adaptive.cs.unm.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:59] always with the math double-talk :) [15:59] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host162-68-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [15:59] problem with quiznos was his facility to randomly spew whatever he was reading on the www into channels. [15:59] Glad to oblige. [16:00] dive: not to mention, what show was coming on tv atm. :P [16:00] He probably did it in #freenode [16:00] dive: also his giving bad advice [16:00] dive: ya know though, i'd trade in both their klines for jeev to get his. [16:00] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8EB2E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:00] fire|bird, yeah everything that passed in front [16:00] hiptobecubic: have you tried out 2.6.3 pidgin yet? [16:00] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.28) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:00] spook, yeah I saw that a few times. Didn't exactly help the newbies. [16:00] using it now [16:01] argh....configure: error: --with-system-png won't work because the system's libpng doesn't have APNG support [16:01] hiptobecubic: get a chance to test out vid/voice yet? (i don't have it, just curious if it's gotten better) [16:01] if anyone sees duplicate nicks in my stats, let me know [16:01] haven't tried it [16:01] agentc0re|work, that reminds me - I have 2.6.3 but haven't tried v&v yet [16:01] and nudge me to get them updated [16:01] shik4nt4z4 (n=shik4nt4@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [16:02] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-yixvrdlnnpsigpkh) left irc: "Page closed" [16:02] dive: i haven't upgraded yet myself. haven't even checked out the change log though either. [16:02] dive, messaging you now... i think [16:02] it might be someone else [16:02] agentc0re|work, I have updated the SB for pidgin on my site, but I didn't check out the deps yet [16:02] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-axoowgorxuexoslu) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hiptobecubic, yeah I heard a ding from my laptop :-) [16:03] lol [16:03] better go check it [16:03] haha [16:03] --with-system-png=/usr/lib mayhaps? [16:03] we can v/v if you want to see if it works yet [16:03] The annoying Windows 95 ding? [16:03] looks like 2.6.2 had more updates and fixes than 2.6.3 [16:04] r_linux (n=r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: "lalala" [16:05] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Paz (n=Paz@adsl-70-233-148-188.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] gst stuff does have some updates, http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/src/ ffmpeg, bad,base,ugly,python,gstreamer [16:06] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.28) joined ##slackware. [16:06] zErOaCid (i=gnu@71.94.1.213) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:06] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:07] Ekc_ (n=Ekc@weirdbox.ddns.playtime.bg) joined ##slackware. [16:08] dive, hiptobecubic, http://farsight.freedesktop.org/releases/gst-plugins-farsight/ and http://farsight.freedesktop.org/releases/farsight2/ farsight2 does have an oct6 update. [16:10] hmmm ok [16:12] mancha: I got it going now, it wasn't seeing the patch, but it's fixed and working now. [16:12] excellent news [16:12] raindrop? [16:13] why compiling? is it because of the lagtime to the sec release? [16:13] Seamonkey mail has tabs now, so it got those before TBird 3.0 came out (which is the first release with tabs) [16:13] agentc0re|work: Seamonkey [16:13] mancha: No, just curious to try it out. [16:13] agentc0re|work: I did get raindrop going on slack though. [16:13] pi31415 (n=bcollver@proxy2.whiteselectronics.com) joined ##slackware. [16:14] I ran into a bug in cpio on slackware 13. It is the same one that is discussed here. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cpio/+bug/214942 [16:14] fire|bird: cool. do you like it? [16:14] mancha: It has seemingly had quite the overhaul with 2.0, and is based of the engine of FF 3.5.4 and is much closer to FF now as far as addons support, etc. [16:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:15] fire, but there's an official seamonkey slack package...so i didn't know why the trouble to compile [16:15] agentc0re|work: raindrop? It's interesting, not much functionality there yet (only at 0.1), but I think it could really turn into something useful with more development. [16:15] j0z (n=JESUS@189.114.183.234.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:16] mancha: yeah, and there wasn't anything wrong that way, the issue came with 2.0 now requires apng support, which slack's libpng isn't built with, so the main issue was with getting that patched and working. [16:16] fire|bird: Have they done anything about the way Seamonkey looks? ;) [16:17] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-140-45.ip39.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Nick_Patterson: yeah, it has some ui changes, it's not that crappy old Netscape classic look or whatever now. :P [16:17] It looks nice now. [16:17] It's mail component supports rss feeds, etc. now too. I'll be giving it a try once it's built. [16:17] but doesn't slack's package just install the official mozilla binary? does that not come with apng support built in? [16:18] So, it's had a lot of work done to it now. [16:18] oh never mind, i thought seamonkey was like firefox (an install of a pre-compiled binary). i understand now...the universe is aligned again [16:18] mancha: I'm not exactly sure how that works, if you get the binary, you can run it fine, I did that last night, but the slack seamonkey slackbuild uses the source code to build, therefore depends on other things. [16:19] fire|bird: Oh, nice. I sometimes use Seamonkey because it's fast. [16:19] Nick_Patterson: yeah, it's very fast, not as much bloat as FF it seems. :P [16:19] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:19] fire|bird: Or Opera. [16:20] lol [16:20] I like it... just too many things. [16:20] yeah [16:20] I have used opera since about 6.x, it's at 10.x now. :) [16:21] Lately, I've been messing with various browsers [16:21] And what are your findings? [16:22] fire|bird: remember my problem yesterday? I'll probably just work around it [16:22] dragonmst (i=1000@146.187.189.177) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: [16:23] fire|bird: but still, it's your fault! [16:24] zErOaCid (i=gnu@71.94.1.213) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Nick_Patterson: Well, I've been using chromium a lot lately, and it's quite impressive, extremely quick startup, fast at loading pages, etc. but I can't really define a champion of them all, they all work nicely and quite honestly, I switch back and forth between many of them, but I've sort of gravitated towards seamonkey the last couple days, it is fast, stable, etc. and it's not as bloated as FF has become. [16:25] Camarade_Tux: :( [16:25] I wonder if I need recompile pidgin with the newer farsight? hmmms [16:26] fire|bird: I don't like you: "I've been using chromium a lot lately" ='( [16:27] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:27] Camarade_Tux: browserist [16:27] pi31415: I'm going mine ;-) [16:27] Camarade_Tux: lol, why don't you like that? [16:27] *doing [16:28] Elektro (n=elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [16:28] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-79-234.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.39.128) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:28] Action: fire|bird spins deco around in his chair until he's dizzy and then slingshots him towards Camarade_Tux. :D [16:29] yay! \o/ [16:30] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [16:31] Camarade_Tux: deco is using Ubuntu 9.10, GET HIM!!!! :P [16:32] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [16:32] lol [16:32] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [16:32] fire|bird: you shouldn't slingshot deco towards me, you should slingshot me towards deco! let's kill him! [16:32] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:32] I told him in offtopic that he sold his soul to Mark Shuttleworth. :P [16:32] Action: Camarade_Tux flies onto deco, *kaboom*! [16:33] whoa, was that a big toe that went flying. [16:33] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "reuniao AGORA" [16:33] deco: you've traded very fast boot time for stability [16:34] 10 seconds to start, 5 to shutdown he says. [16:34] We could make slack do that. :P [16:34] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] deco: you know, slackware can boot fast, ubuntu only boots fast beause it is not as safe as slackware [16:34] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-010-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:34] hey he fades from left to right when he boots, and then right to left on shutdown [16:34] fire|bird: I did, you need to trade stability for speed to that point [16:34] Camarade_Tux: ok, i'm locking my room at night [16:34] basically, don't run ldconfig, skip update-gtksomething, update-pangothing, ... [16:34] Camarade_Tux: I had it down to 16 seconds, didn't lose any stability. [16:35] fire|bird: sure, but lower [16:35] Axius (n=hoh@92.84.12.196) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Camarade_Tux: I didn't stop any of that from running. :) [16:36] o0 [16:36] fire|bird: yeah, that's when you stop running that that you lose stability [16:36] Camarade_Tux: exactly, and I didn't. It still ran. :) [16:36] fire|bird: :) [16:36] the update-stuff ought to look at the timestamp for the cache file and the timestamps for the directories it reads, and not do anything if the cache is newer [16:37] Urchlay: actually it's ran with -f I think [16:37] there's code in rc.modules to do that for "depmod -a" [16:37] yup [16:37] slackware boots too fast when it boots from a usb flash drive [16:37] i have to add rootdelay=8 to the kernel options [16:38] haha [16:38] wait, what, it boots TOO fast, so you slowed it down. :P [16:38] mine still takes all day even resuming from hibernation... [16:38] slow disk? [16:38] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.50.67) joined ##slackware. [16:39] fire|bird: either that or the kernel panics because it cannot find the root filesystem [16:39] probably, it's an old T42 [16:39] Action: deco hugs Camarade_Tux [16:39] pi31415: Ah, ok. [16:39] dive, they don't make 'em like that anymore, seen the newest lenovos? they feel like they're made by fischer-price [16:39] i edit this file : /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [16:40] mancha: that robust eh? [16:40] hm, I haven't looked at any fischer-price stuff in 15+ years, but as I remember, their stuff was nearly indestructible [16:40] mancha, seems to be the way with most laptops from what I've seen [16:40] Anyone compile lua5.1 on slackware on a regular basis? I just installed it and I seem to be missing the pc file in /usr/lib/pkgconfig for lua (so now I can't configure and compile lua-dependent source) [16:40] I've seen some $675 laptops that look suspiciously like netbooks [16:40] or most nowdays [16:40] imagine if they were made by Tonka. :P [16:40] sidh: and now it's broke? :P [16:40] dive, yeah it is but at least thinkpads were always solid [16:41] deco: don't touch me! [16:41] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-193-193.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:41] and change the key input.xkb.layout to fr, then i /usr/sbin/hald restart, and after startx, i'm still in qwerty [16:41] Action: deco stabs Camarade_Tux [16:41] Cryp71c: how'd you build/install it? the lua.SlackBuild from slackbuilds.org installs the .pc file, it seems that a regular "make install" won't do that (the .pc file is considered an optional extra by the lua devs) [16:41] Cryp71c: use the slackbuild on slackbuilds.org [16:41] i don't understatn [16:42] understand, but if i setxkbmap fr, i get fr layout [16:42] deco: gonna be hard, I'm not gonna let you approache me closer than 10km [16:42] now if you don't want a piece of shit you have tpo get a panasonic toughbook or summitz [16:42] sidh: have you got a /etc/X11/xorg.conf? the key layout may be explicitly set in there, which would override HAL [16:42] Urchlay, yeah it was built using make install [16:42] exclusion zone.. [16:43] Cryp71c: use the slackbuilds.org script, or at least look at it to see what it does [16:43] Urchlay: it is already set [16:43] sidh: http://vpaste.net/1hlGj? [16:43] mancha, at the museum I volunteer at we have a Dell with Vista. Now there's a combination you wouldn't want to meat in a dark alley. [16:43] sidh: le mien [16:43] fire|bird: Oh, it's available for Linux now? [16:43] or meet even [16:44] ZmAY (n=aether@89-212-225-234.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:44] Nick_Patterson: chromium? yeah. [16:44] dive, oh geez. vista? say no more. as for dell, their business line isn't too shabby. their home-user line sucks though [16:44] i don't know what they did, but the vista remote desktop server is not very responsive compared to xp's [16:45] mancha, oh this is defeinitely home - but at least it's got a shiny lid and blue LEDs [16:45] people like shiny things! :) [16:45] Nick_Patterson: build mozilla-nss, make the symlinks at this site, then grab the source from the link in step #3: http://ifeelalittlestupid.wordpress.com/2009/06/09/using-the-chromium-linux-beta-build-on-slackware-12-2/ [16:45] fire|bird: I feel betrayed ='( [16:46] fire|bird: Oh, thanks. I was just now looking for a slackbuild. [16:47] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [16:47] blue LEDs piss me off [16:48] I really don't need an indicator light to be bright enough to read by [16:48] Hahah why? [16:48] Urchlay++ [16:48] nyRednek_ (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:48] i do not mind blue leds, so long as they stay out of my bedroom [16:49] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:49] the problem is with any LED actually, as long as the LED is directly visible it's gonna be too bright [16:49] Nick change: nyRednek_ -> nyRednek [16:49] Camarade_Tux: blue ones tend to be the brightest and most annoying though [16:50] Action: EasyTUX hates blue color [16:50] I also wish stuff would be designed not to flash and blink in normal operation (e.g. USB thumb drives), or at least would allow the user to turn off the flashing/blinking [16:50] Urchlay: I small piece of electrical tape does wonders. [16:51] maybe I'm autistic or OCD or something, things like that drive me completely mad, to the point where I can't do anything useful with them [16:51] StevenR: i was about to say that [16:51] StevenR, yeah, great for covering up those annoying wifi leds [16:51] StevenR: actually some blue LEDs are bright enough to be visible through the tape, but mostly, yeah [16:51] Urchlay: i AM autistic and i don't let THAT bother me [16:51] but my usb sticks only flash on r/w [16:52] Urchlay: use more tape? [16:52] Urchlay++ again ;) [16:52] Urchlay: I'm going to install a Knigh Rider light, the one in the front on KIT. Instead of red, it'll be blue LEDs. :D [16:52] Urchlay: it's not you, it's annoying [16:52] Nick_Patterson, install where? [16:53] dive: My car [16:53] Nick_Patterson: what, on the front of your car? I betcha the cops find it annoying and come up with an excuse to write you a ticket... [16:53] sidh: so, what about my .fdi? [16:53] Lol [16:53] dive: i'm assuming into the grille of his firebird [16:53] Camarade_Tux: still us [16:53] really strange [16:53] eek [16:53] nyRednek: :D [16:54] sidh: you have restarted hal? [16:54] blue leds/lights on cars are supposed to be illegal here but kids still put them on the bonnet or under the wings etc [16:54] Camarade_Tux: yes with /usr/sbin/hald restart [16:55] Nick_Patterson: don't do that here...you'll get a BIG ticket(watched people get tickets for anything flashing in their grille [16:55] dive: Why is it illegal and where are you from? [16:55] and then re startx [16:55] sidh: nah, /etc/rc.d/rc.hald restart [16:55] nyRednek: Really? ny == New York? [16:55] UK and because emergency vehicles use them [16:55] or so I thought [16:55] Interesting [16:55] Nick_Patterson: particularly, in the boroughs [16:55] I guess I could go fuscia. [16:56] in local shops they sell those extra bright headlamps, and the most blue ones say off-road use only [16:56] i.e. rally [16:56] nyRednek: Brooklin, right? [16:56] Brooklyn* [16:56] doprn <- name of a function, what do you think? :D [16:57] Camarade_Tux: is it shame when we get red face and we glance at our feet ? [16:57] fire|bird: he's a redneck, he doesn't care -_- [16:57] Camarade_Tux, does it print anything? [16:57] lol [16:57] or should I say ' does it prn anything'? [16:57] Nick_Patterson: any color flashing led's in the grille are largely prohibited(unmarked cars will flash red lights thru grille to indicate that you need to pull over) [16:57] Well the way I made the light, I can turn it off or on at will. I can enable and disable the sound as well [16:57] Camarade_Tux: i was in brooklyn, i moved a little to the se [16:58] Camarade_Tux: let's just say new york co is a boat ride away [16:58] Camarade_Tux: merci beaucoup [16:59] Scuzz (n=Scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [16:59] sidh: :) [16:59] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:59] i'm technically closer to new jersey than to any other borough [16:59] which kinda sucks [16:59] If I install it, I'll youtube just to annoy Urchlay. [17:00] lowkyalur (n=low@dslc-082-082-066-238.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:01] dive: it prints ;-) [17:01] thought so :P [17:01] in printf.ml [17:02] New Jersey's a hardcore place. I was there a few years back. [17:02] nyRednek:^^ [17:02] pi31415 (n=bcollver@proxy2.whiteselectronics.com) left ##slackware. [17:04] ah great, seamonkey build failed. [17:04] figabo__ (n=Slacker@189.186.34.120) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:04] hm, I had a low-budget version of that. One headlight, the low beam filament was burned out, and on the other, the high beam was [17:04] so quickly switching hi/lo/hi/lo/etc, made the headlights light up alternately [17:05] Nick_Patterson: not really, new jersey is a bunch of idiots who think they can drive [17:05] which turns out to be illegal ("impersonating a police vehicle" is what the officer said to me) [17:05] oh please [17:05] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/7zMb5D13.html [17:05] Urchlay: lol [17:05] I need to put HID's on my Eclipse [17:06] nyRednek: Start a tv show then "So you think you can drive" :P [17:06] I want angel eyes on my car. [17:06] fire|bird: LOL [17:06] chee (n=chee@cpc1-lisb2-0-0-cust370.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:06] I had the stuff ready to buy..HID's, the headlights and the halos..traded the car in [17:06] I want to steal a train whistle and install it in my car [17:07] hi, how can i start apache from terminal, /etc/rc.d/rc.httpd start doesnot works [17:07] Urchlay: Have you seen the various videos (on youtube, etc.) of people that have done that? [17:07] My grandfather had a train horn in his truck [17:07] They drive through town and blow the train horn. [17:07] tmkd: why doesnt it? [17:07] straterra: You probably know, but the mods one could do to that Eclipse. [17:07] Nick_Patterson: eh..kinda [17:07] because rc.httpd has not +x flag [17:07] strankan, bash: rc.httpd: command not found [17:07] There isn't as much after market precense as I'd like [17:07] alternative oneway apachectl start [17:08] i could ./usr/sbinspachectl -k start, but i want to do this way [17:08] because rc.httpd has not +x flag [17:08] tmkd: chmod +x it [17:09] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:09] strankan, hmmm, so why it works when it starts automaticly? [17:09] straterra: So what did you trade it for? [17:09] fire|bird: who will sponsor it? the new york state dmv? [17:09] a year newer eclipse :P [17:09] this is how you enable services at boot.. and disable [17:09] one sec [17:09] i commenct apache start at rc.M, i did not chmod -x it [17:09] nyRednek: haha, sure, why not. [17:09] straterra: lol [17:10] fire|bird: actually, insurance companies would be more likely to [17:10] http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3339963 [17:10] askhader (n=sayed@rn--ctm-1-1-a05.uwaterloo.ca) joined ##slackware. [17:10] fire|bird: you treat it as a defensive driving test and award the winner insurance and his defensive driving cert [17:10] straterra: ooooh. 225-55-18s? [17:10] straterra, it still not works [17:10] his/her [17:10] I have a file with a bunch of subdirectories that I want to move to another disk. The source is on ext4 and the destination is an ext3 disk. What's the best way to do this? [17:11] Nick_Patterson: indeed [17:11] She has like 6500 miles [17:11] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:11] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Dad had a much earlier Eclipse, but as I recall it was labeled Plymouth. [17:12] straterra: Very nice ride. [17:12] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] askhader, open mc and F6 :P by checking all checkboxes correctly [17:12] ty [17:12] caoliver: a plymouth lazer [17:12] freack (n=frkbr@189.58.216.61.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:12] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:12] askhader, moutn them both and cp [17:12] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Client Quit [17:13] caoliver: an eclipse without the hood scoop or the speed limiting chip [17:13] Nick_Patterson: http://www.cardomain.com/ride/3117869 [17:13] Yup. Sounds right. Sold it for the Camry I now have via inherit. The buyer wrapped the Lazer around some tree. [17:13] That was my 07 [17:13] Fewer than 25000 miles too. [17:14] Actually the buyer's son. [17:14] does someone know if dwm includes dwm-tools on slackbuild.org ? [17:14] straterra: LOL the stock shifter. [17:14] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] sidh: that's a very small simple build isn't it? [17:15] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [17:15] caoliver: i flipped an eclipse over a fence running from the cops once [17:15] IIRC dwm's claim to fame is how small it is. [17:15] Nick_Patterson: looks like a baseball :P [17:15] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:15] nyRednek: don't do that then. [17:16] straterra: Yeah, the '07 looks tame. [17:16] caoliver: i don't do that anymore...i was still a teenager [17:16] Axius (n=hoh@92.84.12.196) left irc: "Leaving" [17:16] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:16] caoliver: pissed my dad off severely...it was only a few years old and had the higher end engine in it...iirc, it had a v6 [17:16] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.50.67) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:16] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [17:16] nyRednek: GT? [17:17] straterra: yeah [17:17] It was putting out like 260hp then [17:17] Understood. This was just a 4 and no turbo, so tiny one. Still was a shame to trash it. [17:17] straterra: it was outpacing sheriff's deputies [17:17] Then they were staying back :P [17:17] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Client Quit [17:18] straterra: i was making a LOT of turns [17:18] aka pussyfooting it [17:18] that could be it too [17:18] Speed + turns ::= ugly. [17:18] straterra: At the wheel?! [17:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] Nick_Patterson: 260 ish for the V6 GT..yeah [17:18] Of the older [17:18] The 4G is like..280, irrc [17:19] straterra: I know little about those cars. Those numbers are stock? [17:19] caoliver: yeah, that's how it ended up on its roof...took a turn too fast and came up against a pretty sturdy fence(wasn't chain link) [17:19] straterra: I'd be interested in seeing it in the 1/4 mile. [17:20] Thank goodness I'm an old fart and unlikely to do that. Toyota (2001) has fewer than 25000, and I want to keep it healthy. [17:20] what's bad, i couldn't get out of 3rd gear on those back roads [17:21] Nick_Patterson: it is for the 4G [17:21] I was close [17:21] 265 for the V6 [17:21] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.51.8) joined ##slackware. [17:22] Oh nice. Dual exhaust and HID's are stock on the 2009's [17:22] i managed to hide in the thicket when the cops finally got to the wreck...showed up at the house beat up and without the car...dad half killed me(well, 3/4 cause the wreck did a pretty good number on me already) [17:23] I'm pretty happy with my 300M. 253 (not at the wheel) 255 torque. [17:23] 300m is fun..turn off the traction control [17:23] Camarade_Tux: ping [17:23] pong [17:23] Hmm... carrying contraband? [17:23] woot [17:23] straterra: I do that everytime I don't have the kids with me. [17:23] caoliver: yeah, i had something contraband in the car [17:24] Hey, how do we get synclient to save the settings between sessions Camarade_Tux ? [17:24] caoliver: had a 1/4 lb in the muffler [17:24] mrselfpwn: I don't think you can [17:24] Ha! [17:24] I like taking the GF for a ride..doing 40 around a corner and yanking on the ebrake [17:24] ahh, i'll right a little script then i guess. [17:24] mrselfpwn: but I'm not on the computer I was on earlier (it's a friend's) [17:24] yeah, a script I guess [17:24] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [17:24] (I'm on a computer with a synaptics touchpad though) [17:25] I still don't know why it wasn't set properly [17:25] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:25] I need to chase down a missing mouse. Lending (giving?) and old laptop to a friend whose Mac has died. [17:25] yes, pretty much the only reason i need synclient is to turn on TapButton and HorizEdgeScroll. [17:25] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] caoliver: my dad played it cool with the cops, told them he hadn't seen the car that day and that i left with someone else(not driving) [17:26] they considered it stolen and we never heard another thing [17:27] Lucky break. Had cousin that was caught with plants. Did nasty time. [17:27] nyRednek: The cops gave you a beating? I didn't follow earlier. [17:27] Time to go home, me thinks [17:27] Didn't teach him anything tought. [17:27] s/tought/though/ [17:27] TTYL. [17:27] Nick_Patterson: no, the wreck, then my dad [17:28] delt0r (n=delt0r@80.123.57.221) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [17:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-426167.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:28] nyRednek: LOL [17:28] Nick_Patterson: had to have a LOT of stuff replaced on me after [17:28] What did you wreck? [17:28] caoliver (n=oliver@75-134-208-20.dhcp.trcy.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware. [17:29] Nick_Patterson: an eclipse [17:29] Still borrow his car from time to time? :P [17:30] Nick_Patterson: that was my car at that time [17:30] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:33] stygian (i=stygian@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:34] jhw (n=jhw@p548F40D3.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:35] Nick_Patterson: had a lacerated spleen, broken ribs, broken jaw, and a few other injuries from that night [17:35] Nick_Patterson: so yeah, i paid for it [17:36] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.51.8) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:37] I need to update the xf86-video-ati driver to 6.12.4. is there any way to just update this without having to build all of X? [17:37] (on slackware 13.0) [17:37] gynter (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:37] nyRednek: Man that's rough. Sounds like my opponent in '03, when I fought in Tokyo. [17:37] :D [17:38] Nick_Patterson: yeah, the spleen and ribs were from the wreck, along with the concussion(most of it) [17:38] Nick_Patterson: dad snuck me up three counties to a hospital [17:38] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [17:38] nyRednek: Damn [17:38] Nick_Patterson: docs told dad that i barely made it [17:39] mishehu: it's just one package [17:39] Nick_Patterson: i don't remember a few weeks of that [17:39] nyRednek: Bitter about that? Pissed at the old man? [17:39] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.32) left irc: "Leaving." [17:40] Nick_Patterson: nah...i would have been in prison if he hadn't snuck me up to jefferson co [17:40] Oh that's what you meant. Cool. [17:40] mishehu: grab the SlackBuild and the 6.12.4 sources, modify the variables in the SlackBuild for this new version, make a prayer and lauch it. Then upgradepkg 'yournewpackage.txz' [17:40] s/lauch/launch [17:41] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [17:41] nyRednek: I like that. He beat the crap out of you, but still protected you. [17:41] My kinda guy. [17:41] Nick_Patterson: he knew i was putting dirt in... [17:42] Nick_Patterson: was my stupidity for not pulling over...those cops never found that stash [17:43] Only stupid if it was a small stash. [17:43] Nick_Patterson: 1/4lb [17:43] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] Nick_Patterson: as i said, i was putting dirt in [17:44] You did the right thing. :) [17:44] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-79-234.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:44] Nick_Patterson: and i was 16, so it would have been some real years [17:44] delt0r (n=delt0r@80-123-57-111.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined ##slackware. [17:45] Nick_Patterson: they gave dad the car once they tried to find prints on the steering wheel' [17:45] Nick_Patterson: and i finally made the delivery, a few months late [17:45] Well yours could've been all over it, and it wouldn't have meant shit. [17:46] i have this problem at starting rc.httpd, http://dpaste.com/113933/ [17:46] looks like port is not open [17:46] Nick_Patterson: exactly...they never found a clear print...a lot of smudges, but nothing clearly mine or anyone's [17:46] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-79-234.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] appzer0 is wrong, xf86-video-ati does not have its own slackbuild script [17:46] tmkd: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CouldNotBindToAddress [17:46] it's all in as part of the x11 dir in sources [17:46] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-34-227.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:46] tmkd: see that URL, please [17:47] ok [17:47] nyRednek: lol [17:47] hey thumbs, how's it going? [17:47] fire|bird: all right. I know cakePHP better now [17:47] fire|bird: and it's terrible. [17:47] lol [17:47] how do i get xterm's metaSendsEscape feature to work? .Xdefaults doesnt seem to be doing it. is there some specific package I need in order to use it? 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[17:51] thumbs, i comment in rc.M script that runs apache, but this command netstat -plants shows that httpd listen at p:80 [17:51] thumbs, why [17:51] phlak: looooooooong [17:51] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:52] like as along as I slackpkg upgrade-all with the 12.2. mirrors i will be alright> [17:53] tmkd: so kill the process [17:53] afaik 12.2 is going to be supported for at least a few years [17:53] Comrade_Tux: good to know, I don't like kde4 [17:55] Comrade_Tux: Is there a way to netinstall 13.0 via 12.2 install dvd and selecting an ftp server as install media? [17:56] thumbs, apachectl -start works [17:56] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] tmkd: then something is wrong with your init script. [17:56] thumbs, with rc.httpd? [17:56] ok different question. i want to use xf86-video-fbdev. but its been removed since 12.2 what do i do? [17:57] tmkd: yes. [17:57] phlak: it's advised not to use a server outside your lan for netinstalls, and better have everything available locally too [17:57] if you can, download (rsync) everything first [17:57] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-axoowgorxuexoslu) left irc: "Page closed" [17:58] thumbs, i did not change anything, maybe it works good while executing at system start, not after [17:58] phlak: as for installing 12.2 with 13's installer, might work but not guaranteed [17:59] phlak: you can also boot on an usb key, it's pretty nice [17:59] beluga (n=ndv@62.122.105.23) joined ##slackware. [17:59] Comarade_Tux: right, well is there an official way to upgrade? [18:00] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:00] tmkd (n=tmkd@a4.rwd.prospect.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [18:01] dErFz (n=derf@unaffiliated/derfz) joined ##slackware. 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[18:02] Comarade_Tux: as might have figured I don't have an extra DVD but want to try 13.0 [18:02] phlak: there are details on the DVD, you might also be insterested with this channel's /topic command, finally there's slacpkg [18:02] *slackpkg [18:02] Comarade_Tux: also can't boot from USB with my hardware [18:02] phlak: bah, I had misread you, installing 13 with 12.2's installer is not possible [18:03] but you can upgrade [18:04] peacenik (n=cyberian@142-217-76-23.telebecinternet.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] paul424 (i=1000@156.17.163.223) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824085743]" [18:04] Last time I tried the upgrade I had no Mouse or Keyboard functioning [18:04] phlak: you can download slackware install disk1, burn it to a regular cd rom and then boot from that. when it asks where you want to install from point it to a harddisk (flashdrive you have plugged in) with all the slackware 13 files on it. 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[18:08] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) returned to ##slackware. [18:08] C00re (i=hard@unaffiliated/c00re) returned to ##slackware. [18:08] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) returned to ##slackware. [18:08] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) returned to ##slackware. [18:08] mishehu: dunno, not using kde nor mysql :D [18:08] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [18:09] hi guys [18:09] hi [18:10] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.148.92) left irc: "+-||\-" [18:10] phlak: just make sure your usb or external drive has enough space to hold hold all the slackware packages from the slackware 13 dvd and mount the dvd to extract them to it. [18:11] mrselfpwn: right, about 5 gigs? [18:11] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:11] yep [18:11] I might have that [18:12] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:12] If you don't plan to use kde you can remove kde and kdei to get more space. [18:12] I will have to try that [18:13] Yeah, even if you want them later you can always install them from within slackware. [18:13] kernel building -- device drivers -> graphics support -> Direct Rendering -> [*] radeon; Is this required if you're using the propietary drivers? [18:13] Has anyone here ever setup a Slackware system as an IM gateway to different IM networks? I have a LAN setup that uses a jabber type client for internal communication and I'm looking for a solution to give the internal people the ability to IM outside people who are on different IM networks, like AIM, ICQ or Yahoo! [18:14] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [18:14] evo_ (n=evo@p5B2FF197.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [18:14] antiwire: i would use...bah i can't recall-- it's like a mini-irc server that's synced up with the networks [18:14] mk_ (n=nunes@187.89.178.56) joined ##slackware. [18:14] antiwire: users have stored prefs and are connected when they identify [18:15] dartmouth: don't think so, keep it as a module? [18:15] beluga (n=ndv@62.122.105.23) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:15] antiwire: iss there any program that can do the bridge? [18:16] antiwire: also, perl + j/s with the right modules would be a great interface with the various networks if you needed something a little more scalable [18:16] what bridge [18:16] antiwire: i'll build it for you for 5k [18:16] lol [18:17] lol [18:17] ? [18:18] im serious, i could have a team of guys on it in like no time. [18:18] arcaos (n=arcaos@190.177.48.132) left irc: Connection timed out [18:18] :P you don't think time stopped when I left the channel, did you? lol [18:18] Camarade_Tux: what about bitlbee? [18:18] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@190.177.132.194) joined ##slackware. [18:19] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] freebse (n=freebse@f055146053.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:19] greetings and salutations [18:19] straterra: oh right! [18:20] Camarade_Tux: or pidgin? [18:20] yo andarius :) [18:20] andarius: so glad you're here. having that same issue still with an ati radeon hd 5770. [18:20] salutations Camarade_Tux [18:20] straterra: pidgin does the bridge/translation? [18:20] Pidgin lets you connect to multiple networks [18:20] Camarade_Tux: yeah you can write plugins for pidgin very very easily. [18:21] like last year i wrote a plugin that uses google translation to -identify- the language and translate to english [18:21] dartmouth: and why are you glad i am here? [18:21] phlak (n=phlak@c-98-244-134-136.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:21] andarius: because i know you know how to fix it :D [18:21] dErFz (n=derf@unaffiliated/derfz) left irc: "Changing server" [18:22] that shows how little you know. as i have never dealt with a radeon hd... ever [18:22] so [18:22] antiwire says he'll pay you 5k. [18:22] i am not sure who you have me confused with, but i prefer not to spew nonsense, and since i don't know i cant help you [18:23] oic, well f2u! [18:23] whitty fail..... [18:23] yet again [18:23] bitlbee works well. [18:23] ls [18:23] clear [18:23] fail [18:23] twice :P [18:24] uname -a [18:24] Action: dartmouth puts a beer in the slackware-powered potato launcher [18:24] fail, again. [18:24] greetings andarius, how are you? [18:24] Action: dartmouth points it at andarius [18:25] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] figabo (n=Slacker@187.149.63.170) joined ##slackware. [18:26] going to bed now, good night :) [18:26] night [18:26] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] using slack 13.0 and nice new kde on my netbook after usb boot and usb installation [18:28] cheers guys [18:29] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.146) joined ##slackware. [18:32] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150142220.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:33] using slack 13.0 and nice bright, shiny new console because apparently ATI support is broken in the new version. [18:33] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:34] Not trusty old Radeon IGP :P [18:35] I should say rusty. [18:35] But the KDE version that's in 13.0 is rather buggy in my experience. [18:36] I've been wanting to replace it with 3rd party builds that are more recent. [18:37] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@190.177.132.194) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:38] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@190.177.168.173) joined ##slackware. [18:39] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [18:42] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.28) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:44] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:45] gnubien (n=e@97.100.244.58) joined ##slackware. [18:46] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [18:47] mac- (i=mac@piwo.pi.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:47] hello [18:47] EuroTrash: i just went out and spent a fortune on the radeon 5770 and apparently it hangs when i try to use it. [18:47] the whole machine [18:47] in which package can I find libXss ? [18:47] mac-: goooooogle [18:47] Oh, that's nasty. [18:47] .tgz [18:48] EuroTrash: yeah. no fix seems to be available or even an explanation of what's happening. [18:48] EuroTrash: which is weird because it worked on slackware-current as of like...march [18:48] mac-: libXScrnSaver [18:49] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] EuroTrash: and due to weird little distro-driven vendor flame wars no one is looking into it. I say the OSS community is just to much to blame for ATI's difficulties as AMD is. [18:50] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] dartmouth: What driver do you use with it? [18:51] sdrv (n=notRoot@e176083217.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] mrselfpwn: so far i've tried it with 9-10, and reproduced it successfully with an older card on 9-4; I'm currently rebuilding my kernel so i know it's not a conflict in there. [18:51] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:52] mrselfpwn: ive noticed alot of the installers for prop drivers fail if you're not using a kernel you built. [18:52] something to do with headers? [18:52] (not my area) [18:52] dartmouth: well, "blame"... some things are bound to be easier to develop for communities than others. [18:52] andarius: thx! [18:52] :) [18:52] GFX drivers are quite complicated even with specs available. [18:53] ANd it's probably not much fun either :D [18:53] EuroTrash: yeah, but we're smarter than the propietary world. [18:53] with the right specs the oss drivers -should- be better than the proprietary drivers. [18:53] I know that for my x1300 the new proprietary driver doesn't support it and when I download the suggested one from their ati's site it fails. [18:54] mrselfpwn: did you resolve it? [18:54] dartmouth: if they had the same amount of funding as the proprietary driver. [18:54] mrselfpwn: im noticing this is a change since the upgrade to 13.0 and im wondering if it's a kernel compatability issue [18:54] has anyone experienced the latest k3b under -current freak out with an error message about no free disk space? [18:55] antiwire: i've always had issues with k3b like that and have seen that; i abandoned it for growisofs ^_^ [18:55] It's the dark side of open source as long as it's not backed by either companies or other massive funding: the things that are fun, interesting and/or high-profile are bound to get the largest amount of attention. [18:56] dartmouth: no, it was actually on a different distro altogether; Sabayon. It's my brother's computer. Didn't mean to cause confusion. [18:56] EuroTrash: im just disappointed. check out the specs for the sapphire radeon hd 5770 [18:57] and now realize that I'm only able to use it at 1024x768 in vesa. [18:57] I stopped with radeon myself and use nvidia and intel. intel because of the things like moblin coming from them. [18:57] Well, it's bound to get fixed within a few weeks/months. But do you have the patience? :D [18:57] EuroTrash: absolutely not. who's the CEO for AMD and what's his street address? lol [18:58] Action: dartmouth grabs pitchforks, gasoline, and rags [18:58] My money's been going to Nvidia for quite some time. It's proprietary but they've shown dedication. [18:58] grazymax (n=grazymax@host209-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:58] velusip (n=velusip@fatwire-201-28.uniserve.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:58] ATI seems to be unable to provide a stable proprietary platform, even. [18:58] I just hope nvidia gets KMS soon in the kernel. [18:58] I can speak nicely of a company which I recently obtained certification from. Zultys makes enterprise IP PBX phone systems and they support linux users as well as using linux on their PBX boxes [18:58] EuroTrash: yeah that's the impression I got. [18:58] julioc|zzz (n=Who@unaffiliated/juli0/x-182974) left irc: "Use the source, guy" [18:59] they use generic SIP and XMPP, they are cool [18:59] speaking of sip phones. magicjack is supposed to support linux soon. http://blog.laptopmag.com/magicjack-scoop-new-features-new-device-coming-in-2009-2010 [18:59] steiger (n=steiger@189.105.71.88) joined ##slackware. [18:59] hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooo [19:00] EuroTrash: in all fairness to amd in spite of nvidia, linux's strongpoint is not in the simplicity of Xorg design. Seems like they should have a separate version for straight desktop systems. [19:01] I can pretty much gaurantee if Xorg did that we'd see some amazing things come out in the line of linux support on the gfx card market [19:02] I'm not sure if it's that simple. [19:02] http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=nvidia_qa_linux&num=1 [19:02] This is an interesting interview with some Nvidia guy about Linux. [19:02] it's not. we've got some eggheads who think it's the be-all end-all of visual displays. [19:03] Well, the Nvidia guy says Xorg isn't too bad a system in that interview. [19:03] And Nvidia's drivers speak for themselves, as well. [19:03] imnsho they're polishing a turd. [19:03] Intel can write decent drivers (though their gfx hardware is simply subpar), nvidia can, why can't ATI? [19:04] and it's not like this is an issue of one particular driver. this has been going on for a decade now [19:06] nvidia has been keeping up but we still don't have a system standard for linux. we need a set of controls that verify 'true' linux from 'linux-derivatives'. [19:06] Huh? [19:06] that way the installation platforms can be standardized [19:06] I remember back when AMD/ATI here touting their soon to be awesome linux drivers coming out of their bastardized, bullshit synergistic buyout [19:06] Action: ananke has no clue what that meant eitherf [19:06] I laughed then and still laugh now [19:06] antiwire: yeah. everybody kept waiting, and waiting and waiting [19:06] ananke: vt is playing tonight? [19:07] XGizzmo: yep, north carolina [19:07] cool [19:07] on weekdays we actually have a shorter work day. university basically closes at 4pm [19:07] ananke: im talking about bringing the distros closer together. :P [19:07] antiwire: it looked promising to me back then, but they haven't delivered at all. [19:07] dartmouth: that's not nvidia's job [19:07] ananke: who said it was? [19:08] dartmouth: i think we assumed that's what you were saying [19:08] Nvidia says it's not _that_ big an issue. And they seem to be managing quite well, unlike ATI. [19:08] I've said they've been jumping through the hoops and trying to cover as many variances as they can and that it's worked out well for them, but even that's temporary if some way of standardizing linux isn't found. [19:08] I actually see the diversity of linux as one of its strong points [19:08] I'm talking about tomorrow. [19:08] dartmouth: i don't see that as an issue [19:08] as do i [19:08] in ref to pprkut's comment :) [19:09] back later, see you all [19:09] Yes, and in some areas it's quite standardized already. [19:09] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [19:09] ananke: the way things are going you're going to see non-linux systems being called linux. [19:09] they have a generic installer, and supply pre-built packages for major distros [19:09] EuroTrash: in some [19:09] Non-linux systems? IMO it's only Linux if it runs a Linux kernel. [19:09] I don't know that that's enough. [19:09] dartmouth: i don't know what your speculation really aims at [19:10] what the heck is up with all that code talk? [19:10] antler: want the trolls back? :P [19:10] oops wrong window :) [19:10] Not a lot of distros feel the urge to replace most of GNU and popular sets of software surrounding Linux. [19:10] hi pprkut :) [19:10] haha [19:10] hi :) [19:10] EuroTrash: standardization by familiarity is not standardization. [19:11] dartmouth: I know, that's not what I'm implying. [19:11] But what incentive is there to move away from what's traditionally surrounding Linux? [19:11] Unless it's something that means progress and is also open source. [19:11] In which case, other distros will pick it up. [19:11] Look how quickly Xorg replaced XFree. [19:11] EuroTrash: as soon as someone with enough influence realizes that a standardized system is going to be better in literally every way things will change. [19:12] grazymax (n=grazymax@host163-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:12] EuroTrash: and frankly i hope they're in the kernel dev team. [19:12] let's create YAG (Yag's not GNU) [19:12] dartmouth: but most movement I see is going towards standardizing in key areas, there's not much that suggests that Linux is moving to something that is... not Linux, whatever that is. [19:13] bah, fail [19:13] nevermind myself.... [19:13] EuroTrash: yeah we are; we're already seeing patched kernels. [19:13] pprkut: I realize most recursive backronyms aren't very inspired, but this one doesn't even fit ;) [19:13] not a new thing [19:13] dartmouth: fairly trivial IMO. [19:13] EuroTrash: I figured the second I hit enter :P [19:13] EuroTrash: so it's linux if it's using a kernel we 'call' a linux kernel? [19:14] when did that change? [19:14] you patch the kernel-- it's not linux. [19:14] That's a stretch. [19:14] but we call it that. [19:14] say what :| [19:14] dartmouth: interesting theory, one that not many people would agree with [19:15] If you have however many million lines of code that is Linux, and patch maybe a few hundred lines, does that mean it's not Linux anymore? [19:15] I just don't see anything permanent in the community. [19:15] EuroTrash: yes, exactly. [19:15] if i make change in x.y.z kernel and that change comes in x.y.z+1, then am i using linux? [19:15] :D [19:15] agris: hah [19:15] dartmouth: that's nonsense. linux kernel, even patched, remains a linux kernel [19:15] ananke: why? [19:16] because you call it that? [19:16] dartmouth: because it's still a linux kernel. [19:16] becauuuuse...? [19:16] because you haven't changed much [19:16] It's Linux if, from a user's point of view, it behaves exactly like a Linux kernel for the most part. [19:16] EuroTrash: oh ok, so FreeBSD is linux. [19:16] It's pretty damned close. [19:16] because it is a patch, not a fork [19:16] that's another nonsense [19:17] hrmmmm [19:17] EuroTrash: so ReactOS is Windows because it behaves the same way? Uhm... [19:17] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:17] andarius: if you're not using the linux kernel, you're using a linux-derivative. [19:17] pprkut: I'll tell you when it finally starts to do that ;) [19:17] i think you are stretching things a bit much as was noted before [19:17] linux kernel remains a linux kernel, despite that less than 1% of total line count change [19:18] EuroTrash: touche :) [19:18] Yeah, and of course, if you replace a certain percentage of lines it's going to stop to be Linux, but none of the big players currently do that, and there's not really an incentive to do it either. [19:18] EuroTrash: what percentage? [19:18] dartmouth: to be determined. [19:19] you want an arbitrary number? more than half. [19:19] ananke: because you say so? [19:19] Well, depends on which half :D [19:19] that would be one hll of a patch :o [19:19] EuroTrash: that one [19:19] dartmouth: that seems to be your argument [19:19] dartmouth: so what do you suggest? We lock it down? :D [19:19] It's in the nature of OSS. [19:20] EuroTrash: no, I suggest requiring some system uniformity actually in the kernel. [19:20] dartmouth: that would eliminate large parts of what is considered the strength and freedom of OSS. [19:20] How would you do that, anyway? Licensing? [19:20] the whole idea that 'patched kernel is no longer linux' is absurd [19:21] EuroTrash: that's fanatic-sponsored pillow-talk. [19:21] dartmouth: if that's how you see it, I don't see why you're advocating FOSS in the first place. [19:22] he isnt, he is ranting [19:22] EuroTrash: because the *BSD's don't support my hardware the way I want ^_^ [19:22] dartmouth: and why do you think they don't [19:22] ? [19:22] and because there are more PACKAGE selections in linux. [19:22] Why do you think that is? [19:22] er, more popular. [19:22] Yes, and why do you think it's more popular? [19:22] dartmouth: hold on there. according to your definition, there are no packages in linux. [19:22] EuroTrash: because of fanatic-sponsored pillow-talk. Those apps could just as easily be written for the BSDs [19:22] linux is a kernel. a very specific version. [19:23] dartmouth: and they can, since most is GPL. [19:23] Yet no one does. [19:23] EuroTrash: yes, due to fanatic-sponsored pillow talk [19:23] Maybe it's the fanatic-sponsored pillow talk that's a requirement for progress. [19:23] EuroTrash: i've not seen any progress that's unique. [19:23] dartmouth: that's quite a requirement to add in this stage. [19:24] cmeow_ (i=cmeow@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Now this progress has to be unique. [19:24] nothing that's come from the OSS couldn't have come on a non-linux platform with different ideologies. [19:24] nothing. [19:24] it's a bandwagon that's still popular. [19:24] But on the other hand, none of the inherent limitations of OSS put a stop to its popularity. [19:24] you attach the word 'freedom' to anything and it'll get public attention. [19:25] Didn't work too well for "Free"BSD. [19:25] EuroTrash: because their community isn't OSS. you're missing a big picture, there. [19:26] Because their community is full of pedantic a-holes that don't see an opportunity when there is one? [19:26] the bsd communities don't have the 'oh, hey, lets all share our food and start a commune' post-socialist fanaticism that draws young people in. [19:26] Excusez le mot [19:26] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:27] cmeow_ (i=cmeow@support.team.at.shellium.org) left irc: "leaving" [19:27] No, they have the "I'm doing whatever the hell I want and I don't care if it's useful for anyone else" fanatiscism. [19:27] Which is ok, if you want your OS to remain a hobby for the elite. [19:27] interesting observation, since many consider bsd license to be more 'free' [19:28] Essentially, it is, but you can see the way the community is organized, perhaps has an even greater influence than the license. [19:28] EuroTrash: exactly [19:28] I think, despite the rhetoric, that everyone knows why Linux took a launch over BSD and that it had absolutely nothing to do with one OS's superiority over another-- this was all marketing. Every bit of it. [19:29] You see companies going with Linux, even complying with GPL, so apparently Linux has more to offer than the BSDs, even if their licenses are more "free". [19:29] It had nothing to do with anything else. [19:29] dartmouth: so which is it then? marketing or freedom of license? [19:30] is there no better use of bandwidth than a *bsd vs linux flamewar? [19:30] ananke: they're the same thing in that context. [19:30] mancha: well, this one's slightly different than most because it doesn't focus on technical issues, which I find somewhat interesting. [19:30] But it's taking some absurd turns, I have to admit. [19:31] dartmouth: in which case, your argument is self contradicting. while linux has more 'marketing' according to you, gpl is less free [19:31] ananke: the marketing issue affects all of that. [19:32] think MACRO not micro. [19:32] MACRO is just lots of MICRO over time. [19:32] there's a bigger picture to all of that, and it makes the entire place look like a big pile of hokey-pokey, aesthetic, plastic bullshit. [19:32] MACROs let me pull off complex chain spells in World of Warcraft [19:32] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:32] MICRO are those little cars [19:33] dartmouth: you seem to avoid elaborating on any argument you present, which we poke a hole through [19:33] like an old condom [19:33] ananke: i've heard dumber people say stupid things like that. [19:33] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [19:33] dartmouth: and what exactly is that supposed to mean? [19:34] ananke: nothing :) [19:34] ok trying this new kernel brb [19:34] (lol) [19:34] dartmouth (n=cpunches@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:34] So, let's say we "market" BSD like we do with Linux. Will it turn into something you will eventually hate? [19:34] I'm confused [19:34] ohh. wow. i just noticed: that was cpunches [19:34] Action: ananke facepalms [19:34] yeah [19:34] Oh wow! [19:34] thats what made it funny [19:34] ...who's cpunches? [19:35] Take your head..slam it in a door a few hundred times [19:35] drink a fifth of vodka [19:35] i was thinking to myself: that person is really off their rocker. let's give him another chance. and boom, it's cpunches [19:35] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] Get AIDS, fall down some stairs, break your legs..slam your head in a door some more [19:35] EuroTrash: troll/nutcase, who was banned from here for some time [19:35] THAT'S cpunches [19:35] fight fight fight?? [19:36] it's always the women who egg us on to fight [19:36] grazymax (n=grazymax@host163-134-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:36] lol [19:36] Seems he's missing a few cogs from his logic engine. [19:36] or the engine from the logic engine [19:36] last man standing? just turned that on [19:36] :) [19:36] there was no logic. that's what kept it going. as soon as he was called out on something, he moved onto another nonsense [19:37] phzin (i=x2@unaffiliated/phzin) joined ##slackware. [19:37] nix_chix0r: wasn't that the movie about a guy who beat people up with his bat? [19:37] uhoh bruce willis [19:37] oh [19:37] antler: clockwork orange? :) [19:37] sounds like him they wont show his face [19:37] Well, you know, as long as it doesn't get TOO absurd, I like this kind of discussions since it gets you to revaluate your own views on the subject. [19:37] clockwork orange is a great movie [19:37] grazymax (n=grazymax@host91-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:37] no one really seems to like it [19:37] ananke: haven't seen that in ages! [19:38] I liked it. [19:38] nix_chix0r: yeah, i like kubrick in general [19:38] i'd imdb this movie but my internet will fail [19:38] all this bsd vs linux stuff. clearly the best setup is to run cygwin inside a vista vm that is housed inside slackware which is running inside an ubuntu host [19:38] EuroTrash when you argue with and idiot you can't tell who is the idiot. [19:39] Haha, we just got a new Sun fileserver. It was a refurb, and it came with Solaris 8 media. (That came out in 2000.) [19:39] downloaded public enemies as well [19:39] XGizzmo: 'words of wisdom, lloyd. words of wisdom.' [19:39] XGizzmo: hey thanks a lot :/ [19:39] :D [19:39] veritos: and guess what, it's still supported :) [19:40] ananke, and it's still old ;) [19:40] i used to think bruce willis was good looking =\ he doesn't age well [19:40] veritos: it works, and it's patched. that's what matters :) [19:40] phzin (i=x2@unaffiliated/phzin) left irc: Client Quit [19:40] an ext3 or ext4 external harddrive would that be compatible with windows [19:41] i'm thinking no i want to transfer some music [19:41] ntfs would be a better solution [19:41] Hm there are some plugins for that but I'm not sure how well they work. [19:42] Doesn't NTFS write still suck, though? [19:42] not with ntfs-3g [19:43] [and as long as you don't damage it] [19:43] You sure? Last I checked they were all like "yay write support" but that only worked if you wrote to existing files. [19:43] that's before ntfs-3g [19:43] and very very long time ago i should add [19:43] fat32 ftw [19:43] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:44] Hm I checked recently, don't remember where but I guess it could use an update. [19:44] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:44] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) left irc: "leaving" [19:44] mario (n=mario@darkstar.slackware-hrvatska.org) joined ##slackware. [19:44] how recently? ntfs-3g has been fully working for at least couple of years [19:44] Couple of months ago. [19:44] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:44] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:45] then it's not ntfs-3g [19:45] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:45] It was whatever came with Slackware 13. [19:45] again, most likely you were not using ntfs-3g [19:45] Depends on whether it came with Slackware 13 ;) [19:46] It did. [19:46] Slackware isnt known for shipping stuff like that o.O [19:46] Well, it had it. [19:46] it did, but unless you knew about ntfs-3g, you'd be using regular 'mount -t ntfs' [19:46] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:46] so, back to square one: you weren't using ntfs-3g :) [19:47] I can admit there is no problem with ntfs-3g [19:47] I dunno, I looked into it, then thought "yay write support", then read somewhere about restrictions, then thought "will check again in a year or so", but apparently I hit an old doc or something. [19:47] I will reinvestigate! [19:47] but investigate ntfs-3g not ntfs :) [19:48] Yeah yeah! [19:48] :P [19:48] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [19:48] willca (n=willca@c-24-19-63-203.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:48] http://www.ntfs-3g.org/ [19:48] invetigation over ;) [19:49] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] nix_chix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:50] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:52] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. 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Since the last batch of updates I get an error about possible disk space problems and if I try to change the k3b temp directory to my own home dir it says permission denied. [19:57] yes its known [19:57] it's known? [19:57] according to toastytoast [19:58] or, wait you said current? [19:58] ... [19:58] he confirms it on 13.0 stable. [19:58] What i typed is right there...look up there ^ see it? [19:58] on every computer he has lol [19:58] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] yeah well I'm doing 1 million things here at once [19:59] plus I've got a huge memory problem that causes me to forget things I've even just read [19:59] nixnix (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:59] sounds like IRC is probably not the best medium for you then [19:59] nope its fine [20:00] i've had a stroke, its not going to stop me [20:00] The medium is fine, as long as you spend a few GBs on keeping logs :D [20:00] nixchix0r (n=mrspwnag@75-104-27-191.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:00] That and a large backscroll. [20:00] well, identically a stroke [20:00] It's better than spoken word, anyhow. [20:02] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:02] I'm not going to let some stupid little half disability or disability or whatever its called stop me from doing anything. 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[20:13] get a hammer [20:13] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:13] or more specifically, if I change a users groups, how can i reload the groups for a logged in person?> [20:13] Reticenti: man kill [20:13] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.81.68) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] Nick change: vantech61 -> artv61 [20:14] Reticenti: they need to respawn their shell for changes to take effect [20:14] in group policies [20:15] how do you go about doing that? [20:15] man exit [20:15] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "leaving" [20:15] snL20 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:16] would logging out and back in do it? [20:16] i reckon that would respawn the shell [20:16] ok, thanks [20:16] np [20:17] I don't reckon ever, I rectify. [20:17] Anyone know where information on the chipset is stored for the southbridge? would that be in lspci seems how it controlls them? [20:18] Host bridge I'm guessing for example [20:18] also, does "slackpkg search " search for any installed package or only offical packages? [20:18] grazymax (n=grazymax@host214-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:20] andreas-- (n=andy@ppp091138139109.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:21] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [20:21] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [20:21] cmeow (i=cmeow@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [20:21] cmeow (i=cmeow@support.team.at.shellium.org) left ##slackware. [20:21] Billtoo_ (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016729.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] farchanjo (n=Brazil@187-24-9-43.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:28] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-246-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:29] :| i am disapointed in slackbuilds [20:29] there is no slackbuild for cowsay [20:29] the best program eva [20:29] Action: andarius is dissapointed in Reticenti for not writing one :P [20:29] make your own build [20:30] =D [20:30] i have a meeting right now, but maybe that will be my project for the night =D [20:30] cya later [20:31] Reticenti: no, he meant now. [20:31] Reticenti: I think it greps FILE_LIST [20:31] grazymax (n=grazymax@host171-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [20:34] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-76-179-231-3.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:38] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] is there anyway i can alias /dev/sda in the command eject /dev/sda ? [20:41] freebse (n=freebse@f055146053.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [20:41] freebse (n=freebse@f055146053.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:44] or better yet when safely removing a device (nokia n95 in data storage mode) from kde, make the device notify me that it is safe to remove. The above command makes that happen. [20:44] It's for a friend who won't remember the command. [20:45] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] :D like umount? [20:46] it's already unmounted at this point. I think. [20:47] but when disconnected it will say "data may have been lost." [20:47] eject /dev/sda makes the device say it's safe to remove. [20:49] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-246-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:49] it worked in the last kde slackware used. [20:49] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-246-204.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:50] so why alias it? the user will still have to remember a command [20:50] eject nokia [20:50] would be easier to remember. [20:50] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [20:50] you have the proper udev rules in place so it always ends up as the same dev ? [20:50] or hal or whatever [20:50] gaz- (n=gaz@xvm-12-22.ghst.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:50] no. [20:51] so a better idea may be to set up the rules for that which could alias the /dev for you maybe? [20:51] but as long as there is only 1 phone / extra hd plugged in there wont be any problems. [20:51] so it "always" works [20:52] it will be problem if there's some usb devices extra :) [20:52] yup, then said user gets a thumb drive and .... [20:52] oops [20:52] grazymax (n=grazymax@host171-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [20:53] i think rworkman or similar has a nice writeup on setting up such rules. not the eject part, but it would get you in the right place i think [20:55] yeah I think I could set that up. Ideally kde should do its job properly. [20:57] nitro25 (n=nitro25@72.230.179.21) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:57] am not a kde user, never have been, so no idea [20:58] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:59] jonsmith1982: last I recall, KDE 4 does do that... [20:59] kde 4 can show all pluged devices and can unmount them. don't see why it is needed to do by command line, if using kde [20:59] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:59] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:59] Stanto (i=Stanto@82-39-229-63.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:00] Just open up the device manager thingie on the panel, then click to eject it if it's mounted. [21:00] done that. [21:01] so, problem is? [21:01] like i say I have to issue the command "eject /dev/sda" for the device to notify me it's safe to remove. [21:01] Even after KDE says that it's fine to remove it? [21:02] Actually, I don't know whether KDE actually "ejects" it. [21:02] agris2 (n=agris@213.226.141.100) joined ##slackware. [21:03] If you are just worried about file system consistency, then unmounting syncs it correctly, IIRC. [21:03] when the device (Nokia N95) doesn't say that and and the usb cable is unplugged it will respond with "some data may have been lost...." [21:03] I've done stuff like that with my ipod before. [21:04] I'm not worried, Just like things to go smoothly. [21:04] Ok. I don't know what to do to force KDE to "eject" the device. [21:06] mail_ (n=chatzill@74.002.hdsl.mel.iprimus.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:07] mk_ (n=nunes@187.89.178.56) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:08] i check my demsg and find one error, i.e. mtrr: type mismatch for e0000000,10000000 old: write-back new: write-combining [21:08] anyone knows? [21:08] keres (n=keres@ip68-102-140-120.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] farchanjo_ (n=Brazil@189-93-208-79.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:11] mk_ (n=nunes@189.0.172.198) joined ##slackware. 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[21:40] lol [21:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:40] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] farchanjo_ (n=Brazil@189-93-208-79.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:42] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [21:43] farchanjo (n=Brazil@189-93-208-79.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:51] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Well. The first of my highschool friends is having a kid. It's official. I'm too old to have any fun. [21:51] lol [21:51] mfillpot (n=mfillpot@pool-74-98-178-224.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] you must be 14 [21:52] :D [21:52] Budd_ (n=budd@adsl-75-54-117-105.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "[BX] iT's bEttEr tO bUrN oUt tHaN tO fAdE aWaY" [21:52] I didn't go to highschool in Arkansas [21:56] Oh my god the universe is expanding. [21:56] yup, i farted [21:56] phart. [21:56] byteframe: again? [21:57] i protest! [21:57] winter, tell me more. [21:57] about? [21:58] winter, the expanding universe we live in. [21:58] Budd^ (n=budd@adsl-75-54-117-105.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] oh. it should be illegal. [21:59] shameless universe, expands itself all the time not asking anyone for permition. [21:59] egregor (n=egregor@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:59] farchanjo (n=Brazil@189-93-208-79.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [21:59] Budd^ (n=budd@adsl-75-54-117-105.dsl.renocs.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:59] freebse (n=freebse@f055146053.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:00] Budd^ (n=budd@75.54.117.105) joined ##slackware. [22:00] jcordasc (n=jcordasc@76.210.63.0) joined ##slackware. [22:01] tecky (n=jkroll@67.248.127.232) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [22:01] Eventually leading to heat death if expansion continues to accelerate, which means an eventual lifeless void of photons and leptons (various assumptions made there) [22:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-248-127-232.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:01] Not that the alternatives are really better, entropy's a bitch [22:06] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F4572.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] jhw (n=jhw@p548F40D3.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:10] Nick change: AlexElliott__ -> AlexElliott [22:11] Does anyone know if slackware can be installed on an old P1 133 since 13.0 was released? [22:11] Hi mfillpot, how are you? [22:11] fire|bird: good, u? [22:12] mfillpot: great, thanks. I'm just trying to get seamonkey 2.0 to build, something about ldap is erroring out. [22:12] I have a P1 166 in the closet, but it's never seen slack, or Linux for that matter, just windows. [22:13] The 233 ran earlier Ubuntu versions really well though. [22:13] I have some people on a forum asking what distro for 133mhz systems with 64Mb of RAM, and since slack is now built from the c86_64 images, I don't really know if I can claim it will work even in CLI [22:14] Hmm, that isn't alot of ram to work with either. [22:14] anyone notice www.slackwiki.org is going to an ad site ? [22:14] 'c86_64'? [22:14] I can't type right now, *x86_64 [22:15] jeev: I spotted that and hoped that someone is working to get the domain back [22:15] mfillpot: uhmm, there is x86_64 tree, but there's also the good ol' x86 [22:15] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: [22:17] ananke: but with 13.0 the x86 is the x86_64 packages recompiled with different flags, I have seen some slack based distros state that since the 13.0 release their distros only work on 686 and x86_64. That all leads me to question the feasibility of running it on a p1 [22:18] sier (n=sier@c-24-62-71-60.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] mfillpot: i have no clue what you're smoking, but i want some [22:19] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:19] ananke: I had done way too much research answering questions on other forums which has been leading to the circular thoughts [22:20] without a system to test on I can't confirm or deny my outcome of an attempted installation on an older system [22:20] let me put it simply: you can run slackware 13 on pentium 1 processor. it may not be the speediest beast, but slack is compatible [22:21] slackware-derivative distros are outside the scope of this channel [22:21] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:22] ananke: I was assuming the same thing, but I don't want to potentially misrepresent the slackware community by giving bad info to people. I will leave the question open until I see a report from someone proving that it still works. [22:23] i fail to see the reason why you'd want to answer that question without knowing the answer [22:24] isnt slackware compatible down to i486? [22:24] unless your hobby is to act as a proxy between some forum and irc [22:24] cause thats even older than a pentium [22:24] If you have a 486 with that much memory..and a lot of time on your hands..and enough disk space..sure [22:24] stygian: it used to be. i'm not sure that's the case anymore. [22:24] ananke: I was seeking a definite answer, which I failed to obtain. So I cannot answer the question. [22:26] yoyoned (n=todd@99-28-32-154.lightspeed.ltrkar.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:28] ananke: To answer your question about the hobby, my hobby is to help others to find answers about FOSS and Linux, because the research leads me to new knowledge and more capabilities.. [22:28] and more hoez [22:28] in different area codes [22:29] mfillpot now thinks "there's always one unserious irc troll being stupid" [22:29] <- [22:30] everyone gets bored [22:30] NHorder (n=nHorder@187.6.81.157) joined ##slackware. [22:30] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] jcordasc (n=jcordasc@76.210.63.0) left irc: "leaving" [22:30] NHorder (n=nHorder@187.6.81.157) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:31] snorks: if you are bored setup your system to utilize ondemand cpu frequency scaling [22:35] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:35] j0z (n=JESUS@189.114.183.234.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:57] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@190.177.168.173) joined ##slackware. [22:58] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:59] How do I change the default encoding? For some reason, I dont know if this is standard with slackware, my encoding is set to Latin-1 or iso-8895-1 and I wanted to change it to UTF, however I cannot find any information on how to. [23:03] stygian (i=stygian@ppp-70-129-230-119.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:03] i think LANG="sv_SE.UTF-8" for swedish utf-8 [23:04] Where is LANG set? [23:05] hmh.. .bashrc/.bash_profile [23:06] i dont have a .bash_profile anywhere [23:06] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] john_dee (n=id@95-29-12-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:08] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [23:14] /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [23:15] thanks man [23:16] powtrix, what encoding is en_US? [23:16] arcaos_ (n=arcaos@190.177.168.173) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:16] ansi [23:17] export LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 [23:17] do I need to restart something for that to take effect? [23:18] neh [23:18] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] just re-login [23:18] kk [23:19] or run the lang.sh ;p [23:19] lol [23:19] much easier [23:21] Intel[R]VT-x_ (n=chatzill@124.43.155.249) joined ##slackware. [23:22] yankees are gay [23:23] you're gay [23:24] whatever you say [23:24] fatass matt stairs [23:25] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] You finally learn [23:27] Intel[R]VT-x (n=chatzill@124.43.50.83) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:27] Nick change: Intel[R]VT-x_ -> Intel[R]VT-x [23:30] straterra, when will my dream come true of you being run over by an uninsured ice cream truck? [23:30] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.78.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:30] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.189) joined ##slackware. [23:31] Seriously, why the fuck is this dumb asshole still allowed to be in here? [23:31] hoho` (i=root@s59.nlserver.net) joined ##slackware. [23:32] lotec (n=lotec@pool-71-180-225-52.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:34] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) got netsplit. [23:34] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) got netsplit. [23:34] y0 agentc0re [23:35] heya fire|bird. [23:35] how's it going? [23:35] nice way to break the silence. [23:36] :P [23:36] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) returned to ##slackware. [23:36] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) returned to ##slackware. [23:36] lol [23:36] good, just finished beaking ginger bread cookies for the wife since she's at school. [23:36] she's dressing up as the ginger bread dude from shrek. [23:36] beaking? wow, what kind of oven do you have? :P [23:37] ginger-bread ummmmm that stuff rocks! [23:37] y0 Rat409 [23:37] agentc0re: did you answer before the split? [23:37] hey fire|bird et al [23:37] where the hell were you guy? you think you can get away from ##slackware with just a split? wtf [23:37] heh [23:37] I did :) [23:38] It's a perk of being an ipv6 user..I get to be the only one left in some channels [23:38] agentc0re: do you know the muffin man? [23:38] the muffin man??? the muffin man! [23:38] heh [23:38] that muffin man scene is fscking scary [23:39] but it's funny [23:39] Anyone else having issues with flash x64 crashing firefox frequently.. at least I think it's flash doing it.. [23:39] tends to happen when I refresh a page or close a tab.. [23:39] the ginger breadman, the muffin man, and rumpelstiltskin are fscking scary [23:40] man it takes frickin forever to build qt [23:40] straterra: i didn't see your response. i never split though, only saw you and higuita leave. [23:40] this dude is what bad dreams are made of http://www.surlalunefairytales.com/illustrations/rumpelstiltskin/images/anderson_rumple.jpg [23:40] It's been building for at least 30 min on my athlon64 x2 6000+ [23:41] agentc0re: we split..I asked you if your comemnt was to me or jeev :P [23:41] ask fire|bird he built his own kde 4.3.1 iirc [23:41] straterra: jeev. [23:42] lol good to know [23:42] straterra: you may pee in girls, but he pee's in baby's... [23:42] haha [23:43] girl's of legal age i might add. [23:43] Rat409: indeed I did, 5-6 hours. :P [23:43] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: "chao pajudos =P" [23:44] mishehu: she just saw your comment, and laughed pretty hard. nice! epic win :D [23:44] antiwire: i'll take a picture of her in her costume. [23:44] agentc0re: :-) [23:45] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:45] agentc0re: nice hehe [23:46] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-63-179.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [23:47] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [23:47] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] http://imagebin.org/69694 [23:48] there is the head of the costume. [23:48] and one of the cookies i baked with the head bitten off. [23:49] EasyTUX (n=lulu@AToulouse-258-1-125-121.w90-60.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "leaving" [23:49] alright time to update qt [23:49] finally done buildint [23:49] g [23:51] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:54] the muffin man! [23:55] ahhhh [23:55] IT'S THE MUFFIN MAN!! NoooOOooo [23:55] lol [23:57] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [23:58] spider1010 (n=spider10@ip98-179-13-1.om.om.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:59] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Client Quit [23:59] juan--d-_-b (n=Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Fri Oct 30 2009