[00:00] -O2 is for size [00:00] that's wrong [00:00] yeah like I said I know 02 is or WAS a default, but with the new gcc I'm not sure what's going on at the moment, that's all [00:00] isnt it? [00:00] -Os is size.. [00:00] O2 is for more optimisations; Os is for size [00:00] oh wait, thats Os [00:00] lol [00:00] i remember the option hes talking about now [00:00] wow 0000h [00:00] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:01] you see why I suggest research for kernel options instead of IRC? [00:01] you get a bunch of donkeys answering aimlessly [00:01] he can ax here [00:01] i answered correctly [00:01] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:01] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:02] heeehaaww [00:02] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:02] oh boy superGear is here, now it will really get fscked up [00:03] well -02 and -03 are more typical in Slack [00:03] taser use kills again [00:03] if you're on gentoo the default is -O123812414234 [00:03] greetings superGear how may Xgates help you today? [00:03] lol [00:03] Xgates: its o not 0 [00:03] huh? [00:03] y0 Rat409, how's it going? [00:03] that is a ZERO I pasted :) [00:03] my font puts a dot in the middle of 0 [00:04] there's a vertical line in my 0 [00:04] Xgates: its a LETTER O, not ZERO [00:04] 0O [00:04] if you're still wondering about the size option, think about these questions: 1. are you running on an embedded system? 2. do you have limited RAM? 3. what arch are you building for? [00:04] my O is more rectangular [00:04] Xgates, so you can help me? [00:04] this is hilarious [00:04] lol [00:04] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:04] oh yeah LOL my bad sheesh [00:04] superGear: yeah, especially with kernel questions, he's a genius. [00:04] ... [00:04] i need you help [00:04] we all do [00:05] fire|bird: good thanks,tweaking pek menus and just finsished burning the gentoo 10 anniv. preview dvd cause i was bored. [00:05] going to the bathroom [00:05] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:05] TMI [00:05] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:05] HELP ME XGATE WAN KENOBI, YOU'RE MY ONLY HOPE [00:05] haha [00:05] rofl [00:05] spook: no I ran slackcare.com [00:05] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:05] ni hao ! [00:05] Rat409: nice, that's REALLY bored. :P [00:05] use the source luke ,the source [00:05] well i think his pride and feelings are hurt.. who wants to cut his balls off? [00:05] spook: what? [00:05] Xgates: AKA linuxpackages.net [00:06] slackcares.com? [00:06] slack doesn't care [00:06] agentc0re: You've checked that there's some to cut? [00:06] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:06] .. no.... [00:06] Action: agentc0re runs [00:06] haha [00:06] no I had nothing to do with Linuxpackages I built and compiled my own slack packs for Slack for about 2-3 years [00:06] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:06] Xgates: AKA linuxpackages.net [00:06] Actually, I'm pretty sure caring, in the context of actual 'slack', only applies to in the sense of caring to slack more [00:06] what was slackcare.com? [00:07] superGear: who cares? :P [00:07] not slack :D [00:07] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:07] did you take care of slackers? [00:07] spook: no Slackcare.com was nothing at all like Linuxpackages I built my own Linuxpackages is a repo for others to drop off [00:07] I did all the work [00:07] linuxpackages.net is evil isn't it? [00:07] but no kernel compiling right? [00:08] I built slack packs and gave support for almost 3 years [00:08] you did all the work, minus the kernel it would seem [00:08] lol [00:08] I did kernels if anyone wanted them [00:08] lord save them [00:08] why? [00:08] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] i thought Xgates didn't know how to compile a kernel? [00:08] lol [00:08] antiwire: That's why none of them are here, their kernels panic'd. :P [00:09] hey everyone forgets a little a now and a then.... [00:09] I'm going to go smash my head in the fridge a few times. back later [00:09] lol [00:09] kernels are easy, try compiling a colonel [00:09] Compile gnome [00:09] hell I built Mono [00:09] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:09] you gave fire|bird Mono [00:10] OHGOD [00:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:10] well if you guys remembered me and Slackcare.com you wouldn't be saying anything, I"ll just put it that way. I've been out of the scene for a few years so I got a little rusty.... [00:10] anyhow.... [00:10] Xgates: did you provide the build scripts? [00:10] slackcare.com is dead [00:11] antiwire: grab me a beer while you're there, okay? kthkbai ;) [00:11] yes there were scripts if ppl wanted them [00:11] a placeholder now [00:11] brb [00:11] Xgates: did you provide them alongside the packages? [00:11] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:11] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:11] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] most ppl at that time didn't compile or want to compile what I did, so they just downloaded the packs was all [00:12] Xgates: did you provide them alongside the packages? [00:12] no peeps didn't want to mess with what I did [00:12] I'm so happy i compiled kde 4.3.1 and it works [00:12] no only if they wanted them and no one did, like I said no one wanted to compile what I did, it was a lot of work [00:12] you should provide the source and build scripts [00:12] must* [00:12] Xgates: if you didnt provide the build, i dont see why you were any better than linuxpackages.net [00:12] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:12] source atleast [00:13] why is linuxpackages evil? [00:13] tho i use slackbuilds now [00:13] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [00:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [00:13] i use to use them years ago [00:13] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:13] spook: well in almost 3 years and thousands of downloads no pack ever broke and ran 100% for everyone that ever used them.... [00:13] packages built on unclean systems, no vetting of packages [00:13] no sources [00:13] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] i heard that some rootkits made their way into a few packages too. [00:14] i don't use them anymore [00:14] haven't in years [00:14] rather build them myself [00:14] and save for later [00:14] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:15] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:15] it's a nasty rumor started by the SBo mafia [00:15] Action: mancha ducks [00:15] only packages i make and have to upgrade regularly is sdlmame and wine [00:15] and a few others [00:15] SBo mafia is bad ass [00:15] don't mess with them [00:16] i know, that's why i ducked [00:16] repeat after me: linuxpackages is evil, slacky.eu is evil :P [00:16] rworkman's repository isnt evil. [00:16] i wonder why... :P [00:16] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:16] why, WHY?! [00:16] he provides the builds [00:17] superGear: hes also an admin at SBO... [00:17] slacky.eu provides the builds too i think [00:17] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:17] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) joined ##slackware. [00:17] Hey [00:17] ohgod [00:17] rworkman is part of the SBo mafia! [00:17] yes? [00:17] quasar: i need a cat [00:18] rumor is NO reason to avoid a site [00:18] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.46.94) joined ##slackware. [00:18] what rumour? [00:18] Quiznos: this is fact. [00:18] prove it, pls. [00:18] deco: Just hire Quiznos, he's close enough. [00:18] linuxpackages puts rootkits in their packages rumor? [00:18] deco: I have 3 for you to choose from.. two that are 3 years old (one toilet trained) and a kitten, about 3 months old. [00:18] rumor is no reason to avoid anything [00:18] no, the fact [00:18] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:18] fire|bird: hahaha , drinks too much coffee might piss all over the place [00:18] haha [00:18] ok lemme refrase that [00:19] if i was going to try to put a rootkit in a package, i'd use linuxpackages.net [00:19] unsubstantiated fact is no reason to avoid a site. [00:19] because they dont check their packages well or at all [00:19] yeah I heard about the rootkit linuxpackages.net thing haha [00:19] quasar: the toilet trained ^-^ [00:19] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:19] wonder if toast heard that [00:19] :D [00:19] alright, one grey tabby named "Hunter" headed your way. [00:19] \o/ [00:19] freealan (n=freealan@218.174.136.179) joined ##slackware. [00:19] deco: Maybe he could be trained, but don't expect to teach him english, he's to set in his own language. :) [00:19] Quiznos: the fact is they dont check their packages properly, so the packages could have rootkits. [00:19] So everyone should avoid linuxpackages [00:19] fire|bird: he must know lolcat [00:19] quasar: you gonna dcc a cat? :P [00:20] deco: eh, he's out then. :P [00:20] fire|bird: :P [00:20] fire|bird: I was planning on faxing, is that still used these days? [00:20] i'm sure if you checked the packages i'm sure you'd find a few [00:20] spook that they could is not argued; but as i said, ... is not a reason to avoid based on [00:20] quasar: now and then, yeah. [00:20] deco: It's coming by fax, expect a 2d kitty. :P [00:20] Quiznos: http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [00:20] Quiznos, it''s too much of a security risk [00:20] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Connection reset by peer [00:20] fire|bird: ok gonna turn it on hope it still works :P [00:21] lol [00:21] Quiznos: from past encounters with you, your slackware install is fucked anyway [00:21] perhaps it is; but it's still unsubstantiated; unverified, not public knowledge to the mass of slackers [00:21] deco: Have a scissors read to cut Hunter out. :) [00:21] so go ahead and use lp.net [00:21] spook: lol [00:21] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:21] spook not the point and quite OT :) [00:21] lemme chk that url [00:21] Quiznos: thats me, conceding the argument with you [00:22] BPk, yes i heard about that and thought it very shitty. but that was an antipiracy on their iso's right? [00:22] fire|bird: i hope i can cut around the lines properly :P [00:22] not a rootkit inside a package, iirc [00:22] deco: Don't cut it's head off. [00:22] mancha: technically probably. it's still a shitty thing to do :) [00:22] 100% agreed, super shitty [00:23] dartmouth (n=cpunches@24.25.172.165) joined ##slackware. [00:23] well; i read the url above; there's no evidence, no proof and no real info provided to support the claim. [00:23] all i can agree to advise is that appropriate caution be used in light of the rumor. [00:24] but, any Slacker worth his salt should already be doing so. [00:24] hi, I've got an issue where X11 using vesa after an upgrade from an older -current to 13.0-- keyboard becomes unresponsive, mouse becomes unresponsive, and kdm sits there blinking at me, and it's clearly not a lockup, but I can't even go back to a tty because the keyboard is cut off. there's no errors in Xorg.0.log [00:24] spook k [00:24] heh; that prob seems familiar [00:24] :) [00:24] what was the issue when it was with you? [00:24] dartmouth: i had similar issues. downgrade your xorg driver to 2.6.3 or something like that. [00:24] dartmouth it's hal; run lshal and review info [00:25] oh nevermind [00:25] uhm [00:25] that makes 3 here reporting same prob with x11/kbd/moose [00:25] Quiznos: lshal returns...VOLUMS of information [00:25] 3 that i know of; maybe more [00:25] *volumes [00:25] dartmouth ok [00:25] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:25] when i went to 13, hal knew nothing. [00:25] Quiznos: what should I be looking for? [00:25] volumes of info [00:26] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [00:26] now chk for proper moose identity [00:26] damn those mooses! [00:26] i think SBo is a very positive force to slack development (in case my earlier humor got misinterpreted) [00:26] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [00:26] any idea where that would be? [00:26] it seems to feed in rather directly into the official packages of the next slack release [00:26] I mean i have hundreds of pages of output from lshal [00:27] Courtney Coz on ABC; mmm, she's lookin very good [00:27] dartmouth yea, that's fine. grep mouse [00:27] grep -i [00:27] so it turns out to be an effective way for the community to contribute [00:27] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:27] omg she called herself a Cougar [00:27] lol [00:27] Quiznos: it looks like it's detecting it as PS/2 [00:27] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:27] is taht correct? [00:27] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:27] IBM enhanced [00:27] it's usb [00:27] dartmouth: is it a frensh install ? [00:27] mancha: thanks ;-) even though we get a bit overrun sometimes with al lthe submissions. :) [00:28] dartmouth is taht correct? [00:28] using the IMPS/2 protocol in prior xorgs unless you can no longer do that [00:28] Quiznos: re the LP thing, you don't have to believe it, and quite frankly, it makes no difference either way. However, I *know* for a fact that the text in the url was posted on *every* official LP mirror. I saw it with my own eyes, as did several others here, including Dominian, who admins slackadelic [00:28] you don't seem like that many people and i assume you all have lives :) [00:28] rworkman saw "it" what? the actual rootkit? [00:28] Aalinux (n=Aalinux@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [00:29] or whatever it was? [00:29] mancha: yes, sadly enough kethry demands occasionally attention. [00:29] ;) [00:29] Quiznos: no, I saw the text on their mirrors stating that they had intentionally uploaded a malicious package. I didn't need to see anything else. [00:29] this new xorg is really confusing [00:29] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] rworkman ah. [00:29] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:29] but i am not entirely certain the upgrade upgraded my xorg as i was running -current [00:30] rworkman did they say why they did it? [00:30] Quiznos: ... I thought you went to the link I posted? [00:30] crs: http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [00:30] BP{k} i wrote after reading that there wasnt any specific info [00:30] BP{k}: 2323 Quiznos> well; i read the url above; there's no evidence, no proof and no real info provided to support the claim. [00:30] Quiznos: read that link: http://slackadelic.com/2007/04/11/linuxpackagesnet-intentionally-malicious/ [00:30] reading again [00:30] waabimiigwan (n=steven@66.165.210.174) joined ##slackware. [00:31] k [00:31] Have anyone here developed malicious applications(viruses) for linxu? [00:31] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:31] that's the url i'm reading [00:31] linux [00:31] I personally think that "...be warned there is [00:31] a package included in the archive that will remove all the files from your [00:31] HD and yes we put it there..." is just... [00:31] Has anyone here developed malicious applications(viruses) for linux? [00:32] outrageous and inexcusable. No way to justify that EVER. [00:32] that url says that they disclaim ownership of any iso's on P2P networks or purchased from a non-LP seller. [00:32] Aalinux: No, never. It's all FUD that you'd get from google. [00:32] rworkman: slackadelic.com is refusing my connection :( [00:32] and that such iso's were not authorised by them [00:32] rworkman: What's "FUD" ? [00:32] Quiznos: is English a second language for you? [00:32] it doesnt say that they made the so-infected iso's [00:32] Aalinux: google it. [00:32] rworkman nop [00:32] full of dung [00:33] Aalinux: buzzword for 'bullshit' [00:33] spook: http://pastebin.com/m2bca3bdd <--- copy and paste of that post. [00:33] thx :) [00:33] or [00:33] cow food [00:33] fod [00:33] Quiznos: ok so how do I change this, I'm not terribly familiar with hal (thank god this isn't a xorg issue) [00:33] Quiznos: I dunno.. the "yes, we put them there" kinda says that they did.. [00:33] Quiznos: "be warned there is a package included in the archive that will remove all the files from your HD and yes we put it there..." <-- direct quote from them. [00:33] hold on gotta get some fod for the cows [00:33] Action: spook waits till kethry isnt looking and hugs BP{k} [00:33] spook: she's actually fast asleep at the moment ;) [00:33] dartmouth: what's the problem? [00:34] rworkman i saw that clause; that is not an admission. it is properly called a warning of malicious behavior by unnamed parties. [00:34] Quiznos: its them being assholes is what it is [00:34] they got called out on it and suddenly ooooo the text changed. [00:34] go figure [00:34] Quiznos: "yes we put it there" <-- how else can you read that? [00:34] rworkman: when i start xorg after upgrading from an older -current to 13.0 my xorg now shuts off my keyboard and mouse when kdm is launched and i can't get back to a tty to troubleshoot [00:34] rworkman: Some say it's possible to write malicious app for linux [00:34] rworkman the problem i'm experiencing here is the imcomplete quot taken OUT of context from the url. [00:35] ...... [00:35] Quiznos: it reads the same with the context. [00:35] no one here has written WHY they did it. [00:35] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.46.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:35] not to me. [00:35] Quiznos: then you can't read. [00:35] dartmouth: sounds like hal isn't running or some such [00:35] but they did SAY why [00:35] learn english [00:35] lol [00:35] Quiznos: yeah, what they said. [00:35] Quiznos: actually mancha highlighted it. [00:35] rworkman: lshal is producing tons of out output [00:35] Aalinux: and your sarcasm detector is broken. [00:35] dartmouth: hrm [00:36] dartmouth: any clues in Xorg.log [00:36] the unauthorised iso's were interfering with LP's trade and commerce; dont fk with the money! [00:36] rworkman: and ps waux | grep hal shows hald running [00:36] rworkman: not a single clue in xorg.0.log [00:36] Quiznos: they ddi it because they think they can control the flow of information when they make it publically available. [00:36] They did it because tg is an asshat. [00:36] Dominian well, i dont know how successful they were in poisoning unauthorised copies. [00:36] tg? [00:36] Quiznos: they werent [00:37] that's the point [00:37] ok [00:37] i dont konw that. [00:37] mancha: "the ghost" <-- Jim Simmons [00:37] they made an empty threat .. assholes [00:37] rworkman: this one is a little above my ability to solve lol [00:37] The LP guy [00:37] rworkman: :-D +++ [00:37] anyone.. bed time for me night [00:37] ah ok, any relation to dancies to the oldies? :> [00:37] dartmouth: mouse works in console? [00:37] Dominian: g'night [00:37] mancha: I think not [00:37] good night Dominian [00:37] rworkman: if it does, the mouse program might be disabled [00:37] it's what, gpm? [00:38] gpm [00:38] rc.gpm [00:38] Dominian: Good night Dominic cork. [00:38] If it does, no conclusion. If it doesn't, problem isn't in the X layer. [00:38] rworkman: no it doesn't [00:38] fire|bird: How is it ? thunder|fox [00:38] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [00:38] rworkman: it says it's already runninhg [00:38] but i have no mouse [00:38] Keyboard? [00:39] keyboard is working but only in console BEFORE i launch kdm [00:39] dartmouth review x.log for duplicate inputs from same dev [00:39] Okay, let's leave kdm out of this. Boot to runlevel 3 [00:39] after that it cuts off the keyboard and i can't switch back to console [00:39] im in rl 3 [00:39] i can't not be [00:40] Anyone here who can reactivate aLinux ? [00:40] dartmouth: you have another box that you can ssh into the machine [00:40] ? [00:40] rworkman: no it's all in storage [00:40] which blows [00:40] hard [00:40] damn [00:40] yeah [00:40] reactivate aLinux? [00:40] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [00:40] revive super [00:40] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F4BC1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:40] god i hate his away messages [00:40] ahttp://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=alinux [00:40] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Dead socket [00:41] is there a aLinux chan? [00:41] cause even tho it's slack based don't mean we need to support it ;P [00:41] rworkman: are we agreed that this is probably a hal issue? [00:41] I don't know yet [00:42] dartmouth 13's x11 not working here is why i went back to 12.2 [00:42] Is there any *Super*man* ? [00:42] But you can start with looking at C&H for the necessary parts of xorg.conf to add so that input device hotplugging is disabled - that should get a working X [00:42] DC Comics [00:42] Aalinux: yes, it's called 'xman' [00:42] Christopher Reeves died :( [00:42] freealan (n=freealan@218.174.136.179) left irc: Client Quit [00:42] Death of Superman [00:42] superGear years ago [00:42] yes [00:42] dartmouth: No , it may be batman, [00:43] rworkman: that would be supremely ideal because i dont like that auto-detect crap anyway, I like putting it all in xorg.conf [00:43] superman been dead for years [00:43] Lois Lane is a junkie [00:43] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:44] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [00:44] rworkman: in C&H i dont see anything about hotpluggin in Xorg; am I just a shitty reader? [00:44] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:45] Do you like kde 3.5 or kde 4.2 ? [00:45] nevermind i found it [00:45] cool i didnt know less took regexp [00:45] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:45] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Got a bug with okular, running a file with okular if i close it before it loads , gives a error message okular crashes in slackware 13 [00:46] strace it [00:46] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:47] omg i heard Christmas music yesterday [00:47] IT'S TOO EARLY!!! [00:47] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:47] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] it's way too early for christmas music [00:48] that's depressing [00:48] did the music work? did you buy stuff [00:48] not depressing; just jarring [00:48] nop on either [00:48] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:48] i'm not really subject to that kind of programming :) [00:49] rworkman: ok i added those lines from C&H regarding disabling hal for Xorg [00:49] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [00:49] testing now [00:49] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Going for eating. [00:49] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:50] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.53) joined ##slackware. [00:53] hrm, any of those folks with non-working Intel 865 chipsets around? [00:53] what should be the default cpu frequency scaling governer for a desktop pc? [00:53] y0 mrselfpwn, how's it going? [00:54] mrselfpwn: ondemand [00:54] fire|bird: hey, not bad. just installed sabayon for my brother who was tired of getting viruses and he loves it. [00:54] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [00:54] mrselfpwn: awesome [00:54] rworkman: thank you. i thought that was it. [00:55] yeah, i'm building him a kernel now. [00:55] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:55] mrselfpwn: I installed Fedora 64bit on the laptop, there were 425 updates waiting, after an hour and they still weren't done, I'm reinstalling slack64. :P [00:55] having some trouble with flgrx detecting my pci-e video card though. [00:55] lol fire|bird [00:56] 425 updates is INSANE. :P [00:56] yeah, sabayon only had 101 updates to install. heheh [00:56] the kernel, glibc, glib2, etc. :P [00:56] fire|bird: there's a project that offers up to date iso's of fedora [00:56] mrselfpwn: I'm sure it didn't take as long as Fedora was taking though. :P [00:56] no, probably took about 15 minutes total [00:56] deco: yeah, I know. That's just ridiculous the amount of updates. [00:56] mrselfpwn: hahaha [00:56] i can never remember the command to autojoin a channel in irssi :-/ [00:56] Fedora is full of bug [00:56] fire|bird: yeah that and they never update their iso's :P [00:57] fire|bird: thunder|fox [00:57] 425 updates? oh no, the expertzone training slides were correct! [00:57] mrselfpawn, why do you want to scale it, electric bill? [00:57] my bill is pretty big lol [00:57] Anyone here who has gentoo installed? [00:57] tallship (n=chatzill@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:57] deco: It's back to slack64 here. I don't think there's any other distro I'd want to put on there, arch failed miserably on it. Sabayon is really good though, but..... [00:57] fedora is just a guinea pig for redhat enterprise hence the huge amount of updates :P [00:58] mrselfpwn: So, you heard the Sabayon 4.2 boot music? :P [00:58] mancha: more so to cut back on the heat. [00:58] fire|bird: sabayon is ok but the lack of mirrors is horrible :P [00:58] fire|bird: yeah it's pretty kick|ass [00:58] fire|bird: it was my first real distro [00:58] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [00:58] mrselfpwn: yeah, it's awesome. I love that. I wish I knew how they did that. [00:59] deco: cool. I thought there were quite a few sabayon mirrors [00:59] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:59] fedora's boot speed is impressive [00:59] fire|bird: not for the usa [00:59] they say the f word in it if you listen to the whole thing. [00:59] mancha: use bootchart on slackware, watch how fast you can make it boot [01:00] spook: I had my slackware desktop down to booting in 16 seconds [01:00] deco: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deco , good midfielder. [01:00] Aalinux: thanks :P [01:00] :P [01:00] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:00] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [01:00] yeah me and fire|bird had an unsaid competition going for boot time and he beat me so i just gave up. [01:00] deco: Are you from portugese? [01:00] Aalinux: no , usa but i like european soccer [01:00] deco: Portugal [01:01] Ronaldo ... [01:01] Aalinux: where are you ? [01:01] i was like Hah got it to 23 seconds, then fire|bird comes on and said he's at 16 I just said screw it. [01:01] powtrix: oh god no please :P [01:01] fire|bird: not bad [01:01] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [01:02] mrselfpwn: haha, moving the icon cache, mime, etc. to rc.local really sped things up, as did you helping me with kernel config. [01:02] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [01:02] yes [01:02] mrselfpwn: It's fun configuring for speed. [01:02] yep [01:02] that's why I moved to xfce, really, really FAST. [01:03] i like to have a nice slim kernel. [01:03] and, I'll probably be doing a fresh 13 install on this desktop and using something other than xfs. [01:05] Aalinux (n=Aalinux@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [01:05] mrselfpwn: hahaha, sabayon's page: as easy as an abacus, as fast as a segway [01:05] lol [01:06] that's cool. [01:06] How fast is a segway? :P [01:06] dartmouth (n=cpunches@24.25.172.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:07] Well, I hope dartmouth got his system working. I'm off to bed. [01:07] good night rworkman [01:07] rworkman: night :) [01:08] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:08] untill the segway breaks because it needs a part that can't be gotten because it masks something that's needed to fix it. [01:08] mrselfpwn: One cool thing with sabayon's live dvd, even though it's got alot packed into it, it performs really well for a live dvd. [01:09] that's true [01:09] It has xbmc, a bunch of games, kde 4.2, etc. and it works as though it's installed. [01:09] rworkman: later [01:10] yes, great for media and gaming type pc [01:10] hi [01:10] maybe I should give that one a spin on the lappy. :P [01:10] hmm [01:10] hmm what? [01:10] maybe worth a go [01:11] I already have the dvd, so, why not eh? :P [01:11] they are very helpful in #sabayon [01:12] fire|bird: what distro did you use before slackware ? [01:12] man... I've about had it with that slackwiki.org site. I can't even finish updating my preferences - it keeps saying I have to be logged in. I'm logged in dammit! And they lost the entire userbase a little over a month ago - how does that happen? [01:12] mrselfpwn: I think I'll give that one a go, thanks for mentioning it. :P [01:12] deco: Debian [01:12] fire|bird: I'm shocked [01:12] :P [01:12] np, i'd suggest it over ubuntu to anyone. [01:12] mrselfpwn: Aside from a vm, I've never tried sabayon on real hardware, and I like tinkering, so here it goes. :) [01:12] fire|bird: i always thought you were bleeding edge :P [01:12] mrselfpwn: yeah, it's got alot installed, but it's not, here's a gui for everything, distro. [01:12] If you're not going to run slack then try Gentoo ;) [01:12] right [01:13] deco: I used Sid, Debian's most unstable branch, aside from experimental. [01:13] tallship: Sabayon is gentoo based. [01:13] fire|bird: oh :P [01:13] and has all the correct codecs for the simplist stuff like playing a dvd. [01:13] Nick change: Emeauglobine -> Emeau [01:13] oic ;) [01:13] and, I just downloaded gentoo live dvd. :P [01:13] Action: deco slaps fire|bird [01:13] mrselfpwn: yeah, I had forgotten that, this should be good. [01:13] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [01:13] installed kubuntu on my bro-in-law's laptop and it had 3 movies players and none of them could play a dvd. [01:13] I like messing around with stuff. [01:14] mrselfpwn: haha, yeah, you need the ubuntu-multimedia pack or whatever. :P [01:14] mrselfpwn: didn't have libdvd installed ? [01:14] without getting something from the repo that was not an obvious thing to find either [01:14] deco: No, it doesn't, you have to install it yourself [01:14] fire|bird: i know [01:14] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [01:14] i tried to that if he didn't try libdvd [01:14] mrselfpwn: I just love sabayon's boot music, although I can't turn it down. :P [01:14] to say* [01:15] brb [01:15] heheh yeah, it's good. [01:15] i'm gonna find how to re-enable it after and install because you lose it once you install sabayon. [01:15] s/and/an [01:15] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:16] deco: yes libdvd and there was one more that dealt with encrypted dvds or something. [01:16] mrselfpwn: and it worked after that ? [01:17] mrselfpwn: yeah libdvdcss deals with ecrypted dvds [01:17] mrselfpwn: aww, it's gone after install? that sucks. :P [01:17] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [01:17] deco: no, i still had to install vlc player because even after i installed those the dragonplayer just gave me a bunch of garbled pixels. [01:18] deco: yes; libdvdcss [01:18] mrselfpwn: yeah kdes default media players suck:P i always mplayer [01:18] use* [01:18] right [01:18] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) joined ##slackware. [01:22] spectre1 (n=kyle@pool-173-54-180-31.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:24] mrselfpwn: Wow, their installer is really nice too. [01:25] fire|bird: it's based on fedora's iirc [01:25] yes, very nice. always has been [01:26] mrselfpwn: Did you pick KDE or Sabayon Media Center install? [01:26] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.188.207) joined ##slackware. [01:26] blackorca (n=blackorc@174-152-34-93.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:26] fire|bird: kde [01:27] ok, thanks. :) [01:27] anyone having problems with radeon driver (the non-proprietary one) + slack13.0 ? [01:28] nope [01:28] tho i have nvidia [01:28] i think media center just installs and extra app that is similar to windows media center fire|bird [01:29] tavl: what problems? [01:29] mrselfpwn: yeah, xbmc, but I can install that later. [01:29] mrselfpwn: completely frozen, when trying to use radeon/radeonhd drivers... [01:30] deco: yeah, havning seen the installer now, it definitely is. [01:30] mrselfpwn: only a hard reset bring it back.. [01:30] tavl: are you using an xorg.conf ? [01:30] mrselfpwn: and no xorg log output at all... the only way, for me, is using VESA (what i'm doing right now) [01:31] tavl: try moving your xorg.conf to xorg.conf.bak and starting X with no xorg.conf. [01:31] mrselfpwn: yep... with vesa driver... otherway i'll be with that freeze forever, as radeon is the suggested driver [01:31] Action: superGear has to use a xorg.conf [01:31] i use 2 monitors [01:31] mrselfpwn: i already did it... radeon is the suggested file, so, i got no luck... [01:31] oh i understand [01:32] i'm not 100% sure on this though some newer cards are'nt supported by radeonhd and need the proprietary ati-drivers [01:33] try the proprietary ati-drivers [01:33] mrselfpwn: some guys at #radeon think my Xorg install may be broken... their suggestion is to download the source, compile an install again... but it is kinda weird, as it seems to me that i'm the only one with troubles, here... =S [01:34] mrselfpwn: \o/, it's installing now. :) [01:34] mrselfpwn, superGear: i'm with an old card... not supported by proprietary driver at this current kernel/Xorg version [01:34] fire|bird: sweet [01:34] fire|bird s moving to sabayon :O [01:34] superGear: just on the laptop. :P [01:34] traitor [01:35] lol [01:35] Would you have preferred Ubuntu? :P [01:35] next you'll be switching to Windows 7 [01:35] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: [01:35] tavl: i'm having trouble with my card too. it's not freezing, but my lcd tv screen blacks out every so many seconds if i put it at the max resolution. [01:35] superGear: I have that on a spare hdd. :D [01:36] tavl: it's not a slackware machine though either. [01:36] mrselfpwn: good grief, what mirror did you use? :P [01:36] mrselfpwn: well, i'm kinda worst, here... i'm stucked at 800x600... ¬¬ [01:36] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@70.16.70.118) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [01:36] fire|bird: for what? [01:36] haw [01:37] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.12/2009070611]" [01:37] mrselfpwn: I was just looking at the sabayon mirrors, none of the ones for US are loading. :P [01:37] tavl, tried ati or radeon in xorg.conf ? [01:37] oh lol, idk, i used the text installer and it didn't ask about any mirrors. [01:37] superGear: radeon, of course... does exist an "ati" driver? [01:38] use to [01:38] dunno [01:38] mrselfpwn: This isn't either, yet anyway, I was just checking them. :P [01:38] tavl: yes just called ati [01:38] ahh heh [01:38] i'll try [01:38] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05981.sunnyca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.188.207) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:39] they are mostly european in #sabayon. after all sabayon is an Italian desert. [01:40] mrselfpwn: Isn't there a sabayon dvd that's both 32 & 64 bit? [01:40] fire|bird: I want to say yes. [01:40] fire|bird, yes [01:40] not on the same DVD tho [01:41] Ok, that's what I thought, just thinking about it now, I'm not sure it's installing 64bit. :/ [01:41] superGear: see he's already thinking about windows [01:41] superGear: yeah, I thought there was. :) [01:41] mrselfpwn: OHGODNO :P [01:41] XD [01:41] Gentoo is doing a 32/64 hybrid LiveDVD [01:41] I would give up pc's before going back to Windows. :P [01:41] -hybrid [01:42] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.43.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:42] fire|bird is using Windows Me [01:42] superGear: I just downloaded gentoo 10 live dvd [01:42] yuh me too,took forever too [01:42] Rat409: yeah, sure did. [01:43] my pipes slow really slow but beats dial-up [01:43] Nick change: giuppy_ -> giuppy [01:43] superGear: You have no proof of that. :P [01:44] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [01:44] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:44] superGear: i had the badest windows 98 to be installed. i went into dos and copied all the "better" system files from the windows me disk over to my 98 install so I had 98 with all the good things from ME and without all the crap. [01:44] ok [01:45] mrselfpwn: haha [01:45] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [01:45] brb [01:46] yeah, i need to finish configuring this kernel sometime before the next release. [01:46] forgot to add the desktop-switcher/goto bit in my newest pek menu just fixed it but drag n switch worked.peks screen-edges,keys n chains are sweet. [01:47] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Client Quit [01:47] don't edit configs when tired lol [01:48] always good advice [01:48] yup :P [01:48] well, editing configs makes me tired so... [01:49] oscurochu (n=jason@166-68.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:49] and gkrellweather works fine since i made it a cron job [01:50] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static195097104200.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:50] life is good :) [01:50] greetings slackwarers [01:50] How long does it usually take to install Slackware+Gnome? [01:51] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static195097104200.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Client Quit [01:51] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:51] The-Croupier (i=c36168c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-boalibdwhfyqorgk) joined ##slackware. [01:51] umm in 12.2 i think about an hour for the full gsb,not positive tho [01:52] aceofspa3es19 (n=sgtevans@d75-154-226-100.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:52] did i say hi? or shall i do that again? [01:52] The-Croupier: you did not [01:52] damn... [01:53] my memory is getting worse by the day [01:53] greetings greetings greetings [01:53] you sent your hi to /dev/null [01:53] The-Croupier: Hello :) [01:53] Rat409: Im using Gentoo, I've only been using it for a couple of weeks. Im tired of dealing with the masked packages, I wanna see what Slackware is like. I had some idea that Slackware and Gentoo are very similar and both took a while to install. What is the install process with Slackware? [01:53] mrselfpwn: busted.. im not on slack machine....:p [01:54] :D [01:54] oscurochu: it doesn't take long at all [01:55] on a recent pc anyway. [01:55] took me 30 minutes to install slack64-13.0 on my desktop at the house, maybe 45 minutes on my old laptop [01:56] other than tweaking, and getting slackpkg and sbopkg setup the way I like, another 1/2 hour [01:56] old laptop=6y/o hp pavillion laptop [01:56] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d75-154-226-100.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:57] slackpg,sbopkg nice utilities... [01:57] What is your summary of the install process? The final time I installed Gentoo, it took me almost a week to setup completely. The first time I tried installing Gentoo it took a week just to get a working system that would allow me to run Xorg and a window manager. [01:57] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [01:58] yuh he meant gnome-slack-build i thought but yes for 13 i did the full dvd it was fast,stuck to kde for apps,wm's for minimal. [01:59] oscurochu: put the cd in and boot, partition your harddrives, select the options in the configuration app, it installs, add a local user, log insto X with startx. [01:59] hadn't used kde much so figured,something diff. but slack straight or gnome-slack-build its binarys,you just build the odd apps,tools for that [01:59] So I dont have to compile my own packages? Im sorry, Im so confused. [01:59] i use partedmagic to partition my drives first then boot then install cd though. just a little easier. [01:59] startx -- -nolisten tcp [02:00] mrselfpwn: Install is done. :) [02:00] hi [02:00] hi [02:00] fire|bird: it never says done...most of them say finished.. [02:01] godling: hi [02:01] lol [02:01] hey The-Croupier [02:01] oscurochu: compiling your packages is optionally in most cases. there are many precompiled pkg files on the net thanks to some devs and people that take the time and build them. any other is usually in slackbuilds.org and as long as it's not a huge program doesn't take long to make a pkg. [02:02] The-Croupier (i=c36168c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-boalibdwhfyqorgk) left ##slackware. [02:02] mrselfpwn: xbmc, etc is still there anyway, and you can login to it, etc. [02:02] fire|bird: nice [02:02] Oh I was sort of looking forward to rebuilding my system again just for the hell of trying out a different distro. [02:02] yeah, i guess that option just makes it default [02:02] oscurochu: but slackware is a binary distro,not source-based like gentoo [02:03] oscurochu: you can make it as difficult or as easy as you like. [02:03] mrselfpwn: yeah. If you figure out how to get that music back, let me know. :) [02:03] fire|bird: i definetely am going to and will let you know. [02:03] thanks [02:03] fire|bird: gotta be sabayon,music lol [02:03] Rat409: yeah [02:03] I just installed sabayon and that boot music is awesome [02:04] i kill it. yuh,gets annoying after a bit tho [02:04] haha [02:04] I was reading in thread in the gentoo forums, and I heard that people used to believe that slackware users know the most about linux. why would this be? [02:05] Gnosologist (n=Gnosolog@unaffiliated/gnosologist) joined ##slackware. [02:05] oscurochu: i like slackware because I am in control of all dependencies and it comes with the exact tools i like to have in a base install. [02:05] mrselfpwn: haha, Sulfur, Please Wait, take a little break. :P [02:05] fire|bird: yeah, probably have 101 updates. [02:05] lol [02:05] oscurochu: Slackware has a reputation for being a bit demanding on the user's intelligence. [02:06] mrselfpwn: i never thought that someone would actually like having to download dependencies yourself. now why would you like it? [02:06] mrselfpwn: haha, probably. I need to get the touchpad set better though, it needs to be more sensitive. [02:06] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [02:06] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89A40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:06] oscurochu: mainly because slackware doesn't hold your hand with point/click stuff as a requirement. it's easy to trace where things are, and it doesn't do dependency checking, so you learn a lot about the programs you install [02:06] The-Croupier (i=c36168c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-xzlnbprflxxndajr) joined ##slackware. [02:06] godling: so slackware is more similar to arch? can anybody help me with that comparison? [02:06] although slackware is very straightforward; it may have something to do with the overall view that slackware is somehow "hard" [02:07] oscurochu: and you know exactly what's on your system. [02:07] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [02:07] mrselfpwn: nope, it's showing 12, but then maybe there'll be more after those. :P [02:07] oh yeah [02:07] it's 12 at first hahaha [02:08] wow, it's fast at updating though [02:08] is it possible to compile everything myself, including the base system for optomization (and something to do in spare time) [02:08] Gnosologist (n=Gnosolog@unaffiliated/gnosologist) left irc: Client Quit [02:08] mrselfpwn: This is great, I have something different to mess with now. I don't think it's the 64bit os though. :/ [02:08] oscurochu: you can choose in the installer every single package you want to install or not install. [02:09] oscurochu: yes, there's even slackbuilds to help with that. if you want, you can d/l just the source directory for slackware and build your own [02:10] does slackware require a person to compile their own kernel? [02:10] yes, i do it for 50 bucks a kernel [02:10] only if you want to optimize it. slack comes with a -huge kernel (everything and the kitchen sink) and a -generic kernel (everything modular) [02:10] lol [02:10] dang, dockapps.org is gone? :-/ [02:10] tallship (n=IceChat7@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:11] mrselfpwn: first batch done, man that was fast. [02:11] alisonken1noc: the kitchen sink is my favourite part...;) [02:11] yeah, i use the kitchen sink too [02:11] are you guys talking about emacs? [02:11] omg [02:11] oh, no, i use vi [02:11] lol [02:11] godling SAID THE 'E' WORK [02:12] WORD [02:12] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:12] not sure what sort've kitchen analogy vi would fit into [02:12] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.28.40) joined ##slackware. [02:12] ctrl-k-s is the sink iirc [02:12] alisonken1noc: Off with his head. :P [02:12] alisonken1noc: i was about to say the W word..:( [02:12] (so you can wash up after you're done coding for the day) [02:12] fhobia: the supply cabinet sink that get's all of the leftovers? [02:12] Slackware requires you to satisfy the dependencies yourself. How do you know what the dependencies are? What would happen if you only satisfied some, or none at all? [02:12] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:12] tallship (n=IceChat7@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:13] oscurochu: the program usually barfs and tells you [02:13] fire|bird: yeah, gentoo based system is cool to learn about. [02:13] oscurochu: usually the program won't load [02:13] ascurochu, or wont build sometimes [02:13] and will shout that it needs something... [02:13] So you have to recompile 20 times if there are 20 unresolved dependencies? [02:13] mrselfpwn: yeah, this will be great. How can I tell if installed the 64bit version though? I don't think it did. [02:13] oscurochu: typically, it's in the readme notes for the package. if you create your own package, you have to find the dependencies yourself [02:13] fire|bird: there will be a lib64 directory [02:14] oscurochu: yeah, that must be some hairy program though [02:14] oscurochu: like alisonken1noc said, if it is an integral dependency then it won't compile usually [02:14] lol [02:14] mrselfpwn: oh yeah, :P [02:14] oscurochu: again, most programs will tell you what dependencies are required and what dependencies are optional [02:14] oscurochu: depends on the program though [02:14] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: "Leaving" [02:14] is he still here?! [02:15] whose he ? [02:15] oscurochu: [02:15] before compiling [02:15] yeah, still here [02:15] morning [02:15] was there trouble before ? [02:15] he is neither agreeing or dissagreeing [02:15] oscurochu: right, it's very strait forward. [02:15] Who has used gentoo before? What makes Slackware better? [02:15] hi slackytude ;) [02:15] y0 The-Croupier [02:15] oscurochu: it's better, because! [02:16] oscurochu: it doesn't break itself. [02:16] yeah, its up to you, oscurochu [02:16] y0 slackytude [02:16] oscurochu: also, because we use it [02:16] i used gentoo before and theres nothing wrong with it [02:16] /agreed [02:16] with The-Croupier [02:16] oscurochu: besides not having to compile packages, slackware doesn't normally put bleeding-edge software in the mainline - you have to do that yourself [02:16] mrselfpwn: ah crap, it's 32bit :P [02:16] i used windows before...did nothing but play music with it... and there was nothing wrong with it [02:16] stability is the name of the game, and it's defined by one person, not a committee [02:16] ah, you were hoping for 64? [02:17] i remember gentoo has limits on what is in the main line or whatever though [02:17] you have to unmask the dangerous stuff [02:17] The reason i need convincing is I just finished setting up gentoo. I have a 16GB SSD and if I install slackware Ill lose gentoo due to limited space. so I really dont want to regret it [02:17] mrselfpwn: yeah, my laptop's 64bit [02:17] fire|bird: i had 64 installed on my desktop and it was pretty cool [02:17] oscurochu: just stay with gentoo [02:17] mrselfpwn: So, here I go with downloading the iso :P [02:17] oscurochu: installing any OS is up to you, the only way you will regret it, is if you say...i should have used that [02:17] I really like what I've seen so far though. [02:18] noone will be ableto convince you... otherwise..you will demand of them...:( [02:18] oscurochu: is your ssd flash-based? [02:18] tallship (n=IceChat7@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:18] godling: I have no idea, it came in my dell mini 9 [02:19] oscurochu: use gentoo for like a year, then try slackware for a year and see how it goes [02:19] then come back and tell us [02:19] oscurochu: if it helps I started out with gentoo and when slackware went to the 2.6 kernel I decided to give it a try because I was interested just like you. Now I wouldn't move to any other operating system and only regret not trying it sooner. [02:19] if his ssd is flash-based it might not last for a year [02:20] The-Croupier (i=c36168c8@gateway/web/freenode/x-xzlnbprflxxndajr) left irc: "Page closed" [02:20] tallship (n=IceChat7@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:20] godling: yeah, though they have improved a lot supposedly on the longevity of those. [02:20] mine is suppose to last a while [02:21] tallship (n=IceChat7@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:21] I am reading about wear-leveling technology right now mrselfpwn [02:21] doneEzy (n=acolyte@189.82.11.59) joined ##slackware. [02:21] hihihihi [02:21] tallship (n=IceChat7@174.33.24.54) left irc: Client Quit [02:22] hellooo [02:22] we were actually talking about the short life expectancy of flash memory today in my computer organization class :D [02:22] the professor is freaking dope [02:22] mrselfpwn: so what was it about slackware that made you stay? [02:22] tallship (n=NorthTec@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:22] tallship (n=NorthTec@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:23] the chicks, oscurochu [02:23] godling, what's its life expectancy? [02:23] doneEzy: depends on the memory, usually around 1000 write cycles [02:23] tallship (n=NorthTec@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:24] godling, that is, 1000 formating? [02:25] doneEzy: no, writing/erasing. [02:25] oscurochu: it's better. [02:25] doneEzy: files [02:25] for me anyway [02:25] oscurochu: and because of the reasons i stated above. [02:26] is that empiric? [02:26] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:26] oscurochu: and the chicks. [02:26] i forgot to install the package for the chicks [02:27] oh yeah, there it is [02:27] disc 7 [02:27] lucky disk 7 [02:29] fire|bird: how's sabayon ? [02:29] why you need packages fpr chicks? [02:29] mine came preinstalled. [02:29] tallship (n=NorthTec@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:29] yeah, i should have them already since i'm using huge kernel [02:30] lol [02:30] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:30] deco: It's great, except I didn't get the 64bit one. :/ [02:30] fire|bird: hahaa fail :P [02:30] I got both - just flip the disk. subscriptions are great :) [02:30] mrselfpwn: 115 updates [02:30] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:31] deco: Well, the dvd was suppose to be both, but apparently it isn't. :P [02:31] fire|bird: sure:P, is the downloading fast ? [02:31] deco: yeah [02:31] fire|bird: are you talking the dual-sided you get with your purchase/subscription, or the d/l iso? d/l iso is only one side of the disk [02:31] fire|bird: hmmmm wasn't for me :P no love in california for sabayon [02:31] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:32] alisonken1noc: I'm talking Sabayon Linux. :) [02:32] deco: haha [02:32] ah [02:32] n/m [02:32] alisonken1noc: I'm trying it on my laptop atm, but got the wrong version, I was sure the dvd I had was both 32 and 64 bit, but apparently not. [02:32] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] fire|bird: sabayon still has a place in my heart , first distro to get my attention for months :P [02:32] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) joined ##slackware. [02:33] since I don't do sabayon, can't help you there [02:33] deco: yeah. There's nothing like Slack though, but I just thought on the lappy, I'd try something different. [02:33] although one of the guys here d/l it a couple of weeks ago to play with [02:33] alisonken1noc: It is really nice, I just wished I'd have got the right version to begin with. [02:33] fire|bird: yeah just to mess around with [02:33] alisonken1noc: it's pretty cool. nice for media and games. [02:33] mrselfpwn: and for just learning something else too. :) [02:34] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:34] i fall into that try something different trap a lot [02:34] yes [02:34] I like that it has xbmc with it, I can mess with that now. [02:34] 3 of 115 updates [02:34] xbmc ? [02:34] fhobia: a multimedia center app [02:34] fhobia: it's like a media center thingy [02:34] night guys [02:34] ah, ok [02:34] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:34] see ya [02:34] Rat409: later [02:34] bye Rat409 [02:34] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [02:35] It's using some mirror out of italy atm [02:35] so, it could be going faster than it is. [02:35] but oh well [02:35] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:36] you are leeching from the mob fire|bird [02:36] haha [02:36] whoa, you can switch mirror during updates. [02:36] fire|bird: nostra familia will get you [02:36] Oh crap, someone's knockin on the door. :P [02:36] you computer will blowup next tim you turn it on. [02:36] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:37] turn* [02:37] You stop a da using dis a mirror, capesh :P [02:37] hmph, reading distrowatch news, kde 3.5 official packages added back in to slack eh ? [02:37] your italian accent sucks [02:37] godling: I know [02:37] I don't know any Italian [02:37] fhobia: Available to install, yeah. [02:38] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:38] doneEzy (n=acolyte@189.82.11.59) left irc: "Leaving" [02:38] if you understand Spanish you might understand some Italian. [02:38] oscurochu (n=jason@166-68.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving." [02:38] fire|bird: you lie, that's Camarade_Tux looking for bed [02:38] fhobia: where do you see that? [02:38] a bed* [02:39] There, I just stopped the updates, I have to reinstall 64bit version tomorrow anyway. [02:39] alisonken1noc: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20090928#news [02:39] deco: hahaha [02:39] fire|bird: i didn't room in my house for him :P [02:39] have room* [02:39] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:39] oh lord, send him to godling's place. :D [02:40] wrodrigues (n=wrodrigu@124.124.229.181) joined ##slackware. [02:40] fire|bird: make sure he has internet in his house first :P [02:40] lol [02:40] remember the days when slack was on kernel 2.4 [02:41] no [02:41] just funny how the switch to kde seemed to come so fast [02:41] compared to that [02:41] :-) [02:41] not funny , it's sad :P [02:41] lol [02:41] haha [02:41] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [02:42] kde 3.5 was the first *nix DE i ever touched . RIP [02:42] There, got pretty much all of /home backed up to an external drive, I'll probably do a fresh install tomorrow. [02:42] on my desktop [02:42] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:43] saboyon ? [02:43] fire|bird: dual boot ? [02:43] damn, mpd doesn't like it when you move stuff around :-P [02:44] fhobia: symlink [02:44] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.28.40) left irc: Client Quit [02:44] i was renaming some files :-/ [02:44] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:44] fhobia: add them again [02:44] ctrl-u [02:44] or just mpc update [02:44] oh, i better install mpc [02:44] sonata :D [02:44] i just have mpd and ncmpcpp [02:45] fhobia: no, slackware [02:45] fhobia: notice it's under "unsupported" :), but thanks for the link [02:45] I've got media keys on my laptop [02:45] deco: no, just slackware [02:45] cool, gentoo 10 live dvd boots to kde4 :) [02:45] fire|bird: borked it or something ? [02:45] brb [02:45] alisonken1noc: ah :-) np [02:45] I've mapped them to mpc commands [02:45] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:45] deco: no, just want to go back to ext3 from xfs. :) [02:45] fire|bird: ah ok :P [02:46] Action: deco rocking to kamelot [02:46] now that i got dri, i want to try some e17 [02:47] and have some 3d flames as my background [02:47] . . . [02:48] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-102.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] yskapell (n=gkapel@195.134.89.102) joined ##slackware. [02:49] hello guys [02:49] Slackware64 is the 64 bit edition of slackware right? [02:49] yskapell: yes [02:50] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-137-156.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:50] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) left irc: "Leaving" [02:50] slackware64 support 32 bit layer or only 64? [02:51] atm - slackware64 is pure 64-bit, but multilib compatible [02:51] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [02:53] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [02:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:53] how do you guys upgrade your kernel [02:53] cp .config to the new folder;make oldconfig? [02:53] hello [02:54] alo [02:54] personally, I upgrade the kernel when I upgrade the distro [02:54] ahh [02:54] i was wondering if anyone has any ideas. i am syncing to an ntp server yet my slack box is constantly getting it's time set back by like a day or so [02:55] but the makeoldconfig option works as well. just remember unless you use a slackbuild or do something to make a package, pkgtools will still think you're on the old kernel [02:55] ezrafree: what's your localtime file showing compared to where you actually are? [02:56] sorry - /etc/localtime [02:56] Mon Sep 28 12:56:08 EDT 2009 [02:56] oh, sorry [02:56] let me look at /etc/localtime [02:56] alisonken1noc: erm, /etc/localtime doesn't seem to be a text file [02:56] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:56] there should be a second file "/etc/localtime-copied-from" which is a link to the timezone - 'ls -l /etc/localtime*' to see which timezone it's set for [02:56] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [02:57] ezrafree: yea, /etc/localtime is the actual time conversion binary [02:57] says the ln points to: /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Eastern [02:57] which is correct, i am in Florida [02:58] ok - then I would check to see if your slack box is trying to be a local timeserver rather than a slave from the main server [02:58] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.166.161) joined ##slackware. [02:59] hmm [02:59] "server" in /etc/ntp.conf is set to ntp1.domain.com and ntp2.domain.com [03:00] deco: I may experiment with doing an install without kde, just to see what it's like, because 1) install will be faster and 2) I can always install that later. :) [03:01] ezrafree: those I don't believe are valid timeservers. I think those are examples [03:01] how many meters are the max supported for utp cat 5e without a bridge or repeater ? [03:01] a better one to set would be us.pool.ntp.org [03:01] fire|bird: sounds good :P [03:02] around 300 meters [03:02] deco: yeah, I think that will work great. [03:02] fire|bird: xfce all the way :P [03:02] haha, agreed. [03:02] alisonken1noc: nah, i just made them examples so as not to give out my datacenter's ntp server addresses [03:02] josefig: ^^^ [03:02] ok [03:02] fire|bird: I'll do the same when i merge my partitions [03:02] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [03:03] alisonken1noc, really? because i need to implement a networking and in some book i found it said 100 meters and my network is around 205 meters for voip telephone :P [03:03] ezrafree: might want to check your drift and logs for that [03:03] fire|bird: i guess I'll only need qt4 for opera :P [03:03] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:04] thnx alisonken1noc [03:05] josefig: officially, it's 100 meters according to the standards. unofficially, 205 meters should be doable, but it may reduce a 100baseT to 10baseT speed depending on interference [03:05] yskapell: np [03:05] alisonken1noc: the drift file contains: 57.631 [03:05] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:06] tail'ing the logs now, i guess i just have to pay attention and see when it loses sync now [03:07] deco: yeah, just qt4 [03:08] fire|bird: I was really impressed with opera 10 [03:08] yeah, it's really nice [03:10] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "http://eff.org/nsa - They're watching you poop." [03:11] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [03:13] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] good night slackers, night fire|bird [03:15] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:15] night deco [03:15] ezrafree: is it your desktop clock that's showing the wrong date? open a terminal and type 'date' and see if it shows the same [03:17] no its my server [03:17] i am connected to irc through my server not from home [03:17] well, that could be an issue then :) [03:18] yes it's a bit of an issue indeed :) [03:18] i can't for the life of me understand why it'd be doing this [03:18] my friend runs the entire datacenter and none of the other machines have any ntp syncing issues [03:18] and they're nearly all slackware (the linux boxes, anyway) [03:20] how do i see which tab in firefox has a java vm applet going? it heats my cpu to 91C and I can't find it! [03:22] geez... found it. it was a java telnet client on one of the sites. [03:22] a telnet client in java? what a great idea [03:24] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-48-102.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:25] ezrafree, it's one of those public access unix systems (the sdf). the registration is done over telnet and they have the client for the poor peoples that lack it. [03:27] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [03:30] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:32] heh [03:34] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [03:34] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-1-213.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:35] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] alisonken1noc, the max distance between the last vo ip phone to the ip-pbx is 233meters, what u think ? [03:40] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [03:41] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [03:41] 100 meters is the max in the IEEE spec [03:41] josefig, put a hub or a swith in between. [03:42] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:42] put two. [03:42] yes i know :S [03:42] reasonable enough. [03:43] <_RadioHead> morning [03:43] alisonken1noc, said 300 meters is the max but according ieee it's 100 actually i read it on cisco book today. [03:44] josefig: as I also pointed out, 100M is the max according to ieee, but I've successfully used 300M for a single-point connection on a 10baseT network [03:44] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:44] for VOIP, it would be better to stick to the standards [03:44] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] for 100baseTx i've had 133meters no dropped packets no frag etc, for a wireless access point [03:46] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [03:47] hopefully no gypsies are following this irc room otherwise you could kiss your cables, etc. goodbye :-) [03:47] it's 10/100baseTx here [03:47] mbohun: hehehehe [03:49] the other day i saw some doco on tv where they stole some quite important cables from a bridge [03:51] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:51] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:53] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-zeosmsfblfozjodg) joined ##slackware. [03:53] hi [03:53] hi [03:53] y0 [03:56] mbohun: there was an instance where copper stealers were trying to take out a high voltage cable for the copper. They forgot to check if the power was off before trying to cut the cable. Extra crispy was what I noticed. [03:56] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:57] lol [03:57] hey i have an honest question. please hear me out. [03:58] TwinReverb: okay, but only if you ask [03:58] jescis (n=Administ@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:58] i once read (and it has been quoted by Linux people before) a website that had the "why Windows XP isn't secure" and it listed four reasons: 1) it ships with vulnerable services enabled by default, 2) it does not ship with firewall enabled by default, 3) it does not automatically install patches / the warnings are obscured by other krap, 4) default use of windows xp is administrator because either software doesn't understand or work well [03:58] with the limited account (XP Home), or the user isn't aware of Power user account, etc, etc [03:59] hugo1123 (i=hugo1123@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [03:59] winxp ships with firewall enabled here (win xp pro store bought cd) [03:59] oahong` (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [03:59] now we may all agree with this (and some may have points to add) but i wondered something as i read that list. are we too quick to judge windows xp (even though i can't stand windows)? [03:59] i know, because i always have to go and disable it since i have a router anyway [04:00] service pack 2 fixed a lot fo things [04:00] oh right, SP2 is the cd i have, sorry [04:00] yskapell (n=gkapel@195.134.89.102) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:00] TwinReverb: my experience has shown that it still has user issues regardless. after the second time my sis-in-law had to reformat her drive because of crap, she switched to apple [04:00] and that was within the last couple of months [04:01] i too recently switched my main desktop OS to linux [04:01] consider this: 1) slackware recommended install ships with some services not commented out in /etc/inetd.conf and with /etc/hosts.* not configured, 2) slackware ships with a firewall that is not enabled (granted it's DIY-style), 3) slackware does not have a patch download mechanism of its own nor are updates forcefully installed, 4) slackware doesn't have a warning which prevents idiots from using it as root [04:01] was using linux only for my server but windows for my PC, for many years [04:01] now i do not say this to disrespect slackware, i only ask if we're too quick to point that out about windows but not quick enough to admit it about slackware [04:01] of course, yes, i know all the caveats, such as 1) no OS can prevent you from being an idiot, 2) no OS can be truly expected to be secure out of the box, etc [04:01] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:02] 3) nothing protects from zero day, etc [04:02] slackware was intended for users advanced enough to know how to set these things up themselves though [04:02] TwinReverb: slackpkg does do patches - they're known as security fixes for packages [04:02] but i'm only asking since it seems like people i've met in the linux community in general can tend to quickly point the finger without thinking about it [04:02] alisonken1noc, well their point was that it's not automatic, which begs the question as this person is probably a linux user and if they use certain Linux distributions it's not automatic on those either [04:03] TwinReverb, different target audience. that's the point. [04:03] even redhat / ubuntu ask your permission and your password (but both windows and linux can be configured to install the updates regardless) [04:03] i'm just asking if we are trying our own medicine, that's all [04:03] TwinReverb: you have to setup the cron job, but patches can be automatic _if you want them to be_ - typically slackware admins prefer to get notified of security fixes and decide whether they apply to their system or not [04:03] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:03] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:04] i believe inetd may be disabled by default [04:04] alisonken1noc, i know all the caveats, i'm only pointing it out [04:04] TwinReverb: but whats stuff is vulnerable in inetd.conf ? [04:04] TwinReverb: just keep in mind the target audience, and don't compare apples and oranges [04:04] there are still services in inetd that are enabled iirc, and hosts.allow/deny is not set up rendering inetd almost useless [04:05] well like i said, again, these are "good practices" that "should" apply to all OSes (per the default online security community, SANS and such) [04:05] TwinReverb: WHAT OF THE STUFF THAT IS ENABLED IS *VULNERABLE* [04:05] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts." [04:06] spook, i never said slackware had vulnerable services enabled, just that it had some services enabled [04:06] oahong (n=user@220.112.82.116) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:06] isn't it harder to get viruses through the browser in slack than say ie in windows though ? maybe thats what people point finger at some time ? [04:06] why is everyone so quick to be combative / argumentative when i'm only trying to have a philosophical discussion? [04:06] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [04:06] TwinReverb: no, you just didnt answer my question [04:06] probably most people just like to point at IE :-) [04:06] and as usual, you're contradicting yourself [04:07] spook, no, responding to multiple people [04:07] i'm not contradicting anything, i never said slackware had _vulnerable_ services included, only that some services were still enabled [04:07] TwinReverb: what exactly needs to be 'setup' in host.* [04:07] echo "ALL: ALL" > /etc/hosts.deny [04:07] echo "ALL: 127." > /etc/hosts.allow [04:08] and in what way is that going to achieve anything? [04:08] it prevents access to services [04:08] instead of chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd ? [04:08] uh that would be running without the inetd daemon protecting your services [04:09] or heres a crazy idea, having a firewall on your router or setting up iptables [04:09] yes but you're missing my point [04:09] fhobia: unless you run as root, viruses are pretty much limited in what they can do ::: AND :::: they have to work on linux - windows viruses won't work on linux [04:09] no i think you're missing mine [04:09] yours is user configuration, and yes i get that [04:09] but mine is that we point that finger at windows and don't think about if it would apply to us [04:09] TwinReverb: theres lots of different ways people secure their machine, slackware doesnt presume to say that one way is better than enough and use it by default [04:10] TwinReverb: inetd is the daemon - you have to look at /etc/inetd.conf to see what services are enabled [04:10] in this case, yes, per SANS, all services on a host box should be either disabled by default (if you are on the team that fixes / produces the operating system) or should be disabled before plugging into any networks [04:11] by default, ftp services (among others) are disabled in the config [04:11] its in keeping with the slackware philosiphy, the user knows best. [04:12] dang, i don't know best though, it would be nice to just ship as secure as possible lol [04:12] TwinReverb: for me, setting up a slackware box never finishes straight after install [04:12] theres lots of things i do to tweak it to my liking, and enable stuff i need, and disable stuff i dont. [04:12] ok, my confusion, inetd is the daemon, yes all things should be commented out in inetd.conf [04:12] then *tcp*wrappers* configured using /etc/hosts.allow|deny [04:13] sure, they could disable inetd sorry, the confusion was my own [04:13] TwinReverb: no. if you dont want anything, just dont run /etc/rc.d/rc.inetd at startup, chmod -x it [04:13] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:13] TwinReverb: as for hosts.* iptables is a much better solution. [04:14] well it's intended to be a multi-layered solution but oh well, whatever [04:14] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:14] one can run on tcp_wrappers alone and be almost totally secure, i've done so before, at least per nmap scans, but tcp_wrappers doesn't "stealth" ports (yeah, big deal, i know, but it's worth pointing out) [04:14] and it doesn't do much in the way of icmp [04:15] iptables is a much better solution. [04:15] yes it is [04:15] which is why i was wondering if maybe it should ship with a "default" "firewall" that sets all policies to DENY (but again, this is only because technically the safest solution all things being equal is shipping with stuff disabled rather than enabled) [04:15] which is why hosts.* is left blank. admins are responsible for securing their machines, not distro maintainers [04:16] the tools are all there. [04:16] yes but you're missing my point: we point the finger at Windows often for the same krap but then our excuse for not following our own advice is "admins are responsible for securing their machines" etc [04:16] TwinReverb: at install you can disable all the network services, theres a screen in the installer dedicated entirely to it. [04:16] to me it looks two-faced [04:17] mingdao: I just read your message about LPRng-3.8.33 on Slackware64. I would like to test it :) [04:17] i know for a fact you can only start disabling things in xp AFTER installation [04:17] granted, windows deserves plenty of blame for touting their software as being secure and feature-rich for every person on the planet but then fails to keep the average Joe safe [04:17] TwinReverb: this isnt a hand holding distrobution,. [04:17] TwinReverb: that pretty much concludes my argument nicely. [04:17] but we blame windows for not adequately helping their own [04:18] windows is marketed as a user friendly hand holding operating system and fails. [04:18] true, i agree 100% [04:18] we arent trying to be like that. [04:18] but while we quote SANS and others for "safe default practices" we don't follow them [04:18] TwinReverb: this isnt a hand holding distrobution. [04:19] wouldn't matter if it was [04:19] you're missing my point [04:19] no, i've got your point [04:19] but you're wrong. [04:19] stop trying to argue and play trump cards and try to see what i mean [04:19] wrong wrong wrong lah lah lah cant hear you [04:19] ok, so people eat SANS for breakfast and tout everything they say as authoritative but it doesn't apply to us? [04:19] are these configs setup the way they are because thats how they come from upstream ? [04:20] yet i hear linux users quote them as if they are playing trump cards on windows users? [04:20] Action: mrselfpwn "I want to hold your hand" [04:20] The Beatles [04:21] fhobia: mostly, yes. but the default is essentially no security, which means YOU have to set it up, and YOU'RE responsible for it. [04:21] yeah [04:22] pat probably doesn't want to update the files to make them different from source ? [04:22] just be sure you don't ever get on another OS's case about not shipping with best default security practices in mind then [04:22] .conf files aren't source [04:23] fhobia: i dont know, ask pat [04:23] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [04:23] aren't those .conf mostly bash arrays and stuff [04:23] oh, and their corresponding scripts [04:23] i c [04:23] they're configuration files [04:23] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:23] TwinReverb: no, i'm free to do that. windows tries to give you some secure defaults, and the user doesnt really check or test it, they just assume because microsoft said so, its secure [04:24] that's user ignorance [04:24] i've seen linux users think they're secure as well [04:24] slackware doesnt setup any security by default, gives you the tools to do so, so its your fault if your box is insecure. [04:24] user ignorance is a global tragedy, not isolated to any specific OS [04:24] yeah, i thought slackware was secure [04:24] lol [04:24] it's always the end user's fault that they are insecure, don't take me wrong [04:25] Action: TwinReverb sighs [04:26] if you were to say that fully configured after install out of the box, slackware beats windows, sure, i agree there [04:26] sweet! [04:26] but to say that one sucks because it's not good out of the box but then the one you use is also not good out of the box is hypocrisy [04:26] which is why i normally steer clear of that line of argument during "why should i use linux?" type discussions [04:27] no OS is secure out of the box, but some are much more secure out of the box than others [04:27] if the goal is no-configure security, slackware beats windows xp easily [04:27] openbsd supposed to be one of the better ones i guess ? [04:27] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:27] thats what i heard on the street [04:27] 8) [04:27] i haven't use BSD in a while [04:27] freebsd i remember shipped with no .conf files at all hardly, or empty ones, can't remember which [04:28] so you literally were secure out of the box because no networking was even configured whatsoever [04:28] alisonken1noc: well copper thieves are rather members of the homo erectus group, than members of homo sapiens sapiens :-) [04:28] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [04:28] its like two blind people trying to find their own asses with mirrors on sticks [04:28] o_O [04:30] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [04:32] sometimes I go to home hardware to check out tools, sometimes I just hang in ##slackware. [04:33] fhobia: OpenBSD is great - unique experience - you have to try it if you haven't already [04:36] Desiderius (n=DC@195.221.162.126) joined ##slackware. [04:36] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:37] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [04:41] pwc101 (n=pwc101@139.166.248.124) joined ##slackware. [04:41] josefig (n=JoseFig@200.92.166.161) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:41] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.3) joined ##slackware. [04:41] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:47] Nick change: fuzzix_ -> fuzzix [04:48] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:48] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [04:49] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:54] yskapell (n=gkapel@195.134.89.99) joined ##slackware. [04:54] hello [04:55] is it possible to upgrade from slackware-current to slackware-current64 using slackpkg? [04:55] apoca: you here? [04:55] yskapell: no. [04:55] yskapell: no [04:55] no [04:55] wham, bam, thank you mame ;) [04:55] its not possible at all. [04:55] Woo.. 99% synced [04:55] save /home - reinstall everything else [04:55] f**** [04:55] Less than 24 hours! [04:55] Slacwkare64 is a fresh install .... period. [04:55] I will have to format the disk then :( [04:56] why format? [04:56] I did think the estimate was a bit dubious [04:56] alisonken1noc: I have /home in a different disk and the OS to another disk [04:56] Zordrak: yup [04:56] yskapell: that was always going to be the case. [04:56] yskapell: that helps with upgrades :) [04:57] that's a good practice [04:57] alisonken1noc: because I want to use slackware64 [05:01] mingdao: yep [05:02] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:03] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [05:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:09] apoca: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/slackbuilds/LPRng-3.8.33-x86_64-1-bruce.tgz and http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/slackbuilds/LPRng-3.8.33-x86_64-1-bruce.tgz.md5 [05:09] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:10] apoca: have you read http://www.lprng.com/PrintingCookbook/index.html ? [05:11] mingdao: not yet [05:12] I have not had any time to test these pkgs ... I did install both and find no /usr/sbin/lpd nor /etc/lpd.conf nor /etc/lpd.perms [05:12] I also have not had time to check if there is some other dependency. [05:13] hm, ok [05:13] thanks, anyway :) [05:14] I think I will try building my own, so you don't have to waste more time ;) [05:14] I am about to plug a printer to the box and try and print ... give me a command you would use "lpr " as you would issue it. [05:14] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [05:15] spook: 0: cs:Connected ro:Primary/Secondary ds:UpToDate/UpToDate C r---- [05:15] :D [05:15] apoca: sorry I didn't have time ... the earlier package was just Slackware 13.0 from pasture rebuilt with that script. [05:15] This latest one I built myself with new source and a bit different options. [05:15] Zordrak: awesome [05:16] mingdao: I would just use "lpr -P printername filename" [05:16] how would you setup the printer to begin with ... normally I'm just using CUPS [05:17] spook: now to write some data and see if it gets duped :) [05:17] Zordrak: cool! [05:17] This box has no printer attached to it ... it's my laptop, and I'd print through a samba server normally. [05:19] I just found out that these old scripts are kinda weird. they send the files via ftp [05:20] I feel as if I've left some app out of the equation, but didn't read it in the official SlackBuild. [05:21] Which is quite weird in itself. [05:21] life sucks [05:21] I'll just setup the printer with CUPS if that doesn't violate your testing. [05:21] and then you die slackytude [05:21] fun! [05:21] can't be all that bad, though [05:21] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-100.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] yarvin (n=yarvin@105-200-58-66.gci.net) joined ##slackware. [05:21] mingdao: I think it will be fine, as long as there's an lpr binary ;) [05:21] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-39.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:22] ... [05:22] well, it all worked fine on 12.2 with lprng in pasture [05:25] apoca: theres lpr in pasture of slackware-13.0 [05:26] WOO!! Woiks Poifectly [05:26] spook: 17:10 < mingdao> apoca: sorry I didn't have time ... the earlier package was just Slackware 13.0 from pasture rebuilt with that script. [05:26] the only shame is, doesnt seem like you can ro mount the secondary to watch it working.. secondary is unmountable [05:26] but people whinging about stuff missing from pasture, in slackware64, just makes me facepalm [05:27] Zordrak: unless you use lvm, and lvm snapshots apparently [05:27] spook: I need 64bit because I want to use all my ram, but I also need lpr because I want to run 20 yr old scripts :( [05:28] apoca: do you even understand what pasture is? [05:28] stuff slackware wants to get rid of [05:28] and do you understand why theres no pasture in slackware64? [05:29] spook: i was considering lvm.. [05:29] because there's nothing to get rid of [05:29] apoca: now pipe down. [05:29] Zordrak: why didnt you? [05:29] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.135) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:29] spook: choice time isnt here yet.. [05:29] well it is here now [05:30] But I don't understand why there is no choice to install some old stuff like lpr [05:30] just in case somebody (like me) needs it [05:30] im not a general fan of LVM cause its used too much where it's totally unnecessary [05:30] but it might be the right choice here, Im not sure [05:30] lvm is awesome... [05:30] convert me.... [05:33] well for me, on machines at run virtual machines [05:33] anyone know what this entry in ntpd.log means: [05:33] 22 Aug 12:22:24 ntpd[24442]: kernel time sync disabled 0001 [05:33] growing/creating their disks, and using virtio to give them direct access [05:33] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:33] apoca: sudo -i [05:34] sorry ... wrong kbd [05:34] morning :) [05:34] mingdao: :) [05:34] :) [05:34] Hi ya Camarade_Tux [05:35] apoca: I don't even have a scheduler for lprng ... but cups prints fine with the lpr command. [05:35] Desiderius (n=DC@195.221.162.126) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729211829]" [05:35] Have you tried running the script with CUPS scheduler? [05:35] nope [05:35] maybe that will be my last chance :( [05:35] maybe it should have been your first ;) [05:36] if it works, who cares what print spooler does the job? [05:36] spook might ;) [05:36] but he's in pasture himself ;) [05:36] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [05:36] spook, I had a new rat this morning, and thought of you :-) [05:36] I think that will mean a major rewrite of 20yr old code, which was written by a badass company. They run scripts inside of scripts inside of scripts which print through lpr, which is a script, which runs lpr [05:36] ... [05:36] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.75.16) joined ##slackware. [05:37] apoca: write a script/program to bridge the two perhaps? [05:37] apoca: it doesn't just issue a command to print such as "lpr -P HP-5788 fstab" ? [05:37] or symlink whatever binary it's looking for to the present one might work [05:38] mingdao: no, just using "lpr -P HP-5788 fstab" would've been far too easy [05:39] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-133-100.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:39] what does the script call besides lpr? [05:40] ftplp, which is own code of the company [05:40] insane [05:40] So now you're the sysadmin, and it's time to bring them into the 21st century. [05:41] yup, and I'm "only" an apprentice [05:41] I'm sure some dufuss in 1990 decided that sending scripts over ftp was useful. [05:41] Whose mindset is long since gone, but the damage remains. ;) [05:42] hrhr [05:42] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [05:43] spook: thats some half-assevangelism [05:43] Zordrak: for me, its really useful. i dont know how you use your machines, so i cant say the same for you. [05:43] I had the hardest time convincing a high level edu that RedHat 9.0 was NOT useful to run a server farm so everyone could ssh as root using PuTTy from Windows PCs to run software such as blaster. [05:44] hahaha! :P [05:44] mingdao: we have rh9 and rh7 for that :) [05:44] but they rlogin & telnet :p [05:44] I can't even use the 2.6.29 kernel, cause I need to build modules for running COFF-binarys [05:45] and the patchset only works up to 2.6.28 -.- [05:45] they actually rlogin too ... [05:45] heh [05:45] but they don't use a RH box anymore ... they now use Slackware [05:46] All it took was needed a kernel with a driver for a new SCSI controller. [05:46] migrated some to CentOS here (and they have fc3/4/centos on desktop) because we have to stay binary compatible with rhel because of the software vendors [05:47] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [05:47] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:47] running something unsupported like RH 9.0 on a data critical server is ... [05:47] well, in Chinese, we say "er bai wu" [05:49] These guys are happy with Slackware ... I just ssh in and update any patches, and they don't ever even call. [05:49] It Just Works (TM) [05:51] yeah, I'm running coff-binarys on a slackware64-box =) [05:51] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-145-39.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [05:53] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-16-29.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [05:53] nheco (n=nheco@200-203-111-27.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:55] bb [05:55] yskapell (n=gkapel@195.134.89.99) left irc: "leaving" [05:55] apoca: port the kernel module to 2.6.29? =) [05:55] cybErpunk (i=davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [05:55] it isn't that hard to do actually ;) [05:57] apoca: I can't expose my level of LPRng ignorance in channel, but I think I know what we're missing. ;) [05:58] dinner, then I'll rebuild, and give you fresh pkgs [05:58] yeah, cool =) [05:58] I might be wrong; I've been wrong so many times before. ;) [05:58] Camarade_Tux: I'm not into c-coding, and there are some structs missing, if I understand the error-msgs ;) [05:58] As my friend Bill back in Amurika says, "We shall see what we shall see." [05:59] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: "Leaving." [05:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [05:59] apoca: you only need to find which change broke the module [06:00] apoca: and git bisect could do it for you :D [06:00] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [06:03] git is awesome [06:03] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d75-154-226-100.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:04] spook: i think im still gonna do it without LVM [06:04] KISS [06:04] git seems to one of the few vcs that has been written by people who knew what they wanted/needed [06:04] LVM is just an extra level of complexity to something that *i think) has no need for it [06:07] nod_ (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [06:07] okay :) [06:08] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [06:09] Nick change: nod_ -> nod [06:12] maybe if the FS allowed online shrinking [06:12] but XFS does *no* shrinking [06:13] and as far as lack is concerned, the raid is a single 3TB block device [06:13] *Slack [06:14] mingdao: I would also be interested in the SlackBuild-file for lprng :) [06:14] If there is one [06:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:15] upgrading laptop to slack-13 [06:15] it's about time [06:16] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) joined ##slackware. [06:16] hi [06:16] apoca: mine for 3.8.33? [06:16] yes [06:17] lvm allows you to add capacity without having to move things around [06:17] Reaver1 (n=Data_Ent@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [06:17] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:17] It's about Space, It's about 2 men lost in place [06:18] KluLess (n=Roberto@76.5.141.172) joined ##slackware. [06:18] Zordrak: for me i usually use xfs on lvm on raid [06:19] Zordrak: because it means online growing [06:20] mako-don1 (n=mako@81.22.22.207) joined ##slackware. [06:20] but.. [06:20] my reservation about large hd volumes is the difficulty in backing up, recovering or restoring [06:20] apoca: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/slackbuilds/lprng.SlackBuild [06:20] meh [06:20] Skywise: but its easier than 300 volumes.. all totalling the same amount anyway [06:21] cos managing them is harder [06:21] spook: i can see the benefit in the online growing [06:21] mingdao: thanks! [06:21] but it takes like 20 seconds to offline it, grow the partition manually and grow the xfs then online it [06:21] which is fine for me [06:22] apoca: tell me what you find that I've done wrong [06:22] Zordrak: yeah :) [06:22] Skywise: im migrating from a sotrage system that requires 3 whiteboards just to explain where everything is, with bizarre access mechanisms and a painful and expensive backup mechanism .. to a single storage structure of 3TB which will be massively redundant (RAID61) and also backed up to tape [06:22] and management of that will be a dream in comparison [06:22] and if something goes wrong.. my reduncancy saves me [06:23] and your backups [06:23] apoca: one pkg we didn't have: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/slackbuilds/ifhp-3.5.18-x86_64-2.tgz [06:23] ^ [06:23] yeah, but consider the time it will take to do anything [06:23] Skywise: time to do what? [06:23] apoca: use that with the original lprng ... lprng-3.8.28-x86_64-3 [06:23] Skywise: would take just as long to do it on multiple systems [06:23] theres a point where reconstructing an array can cause additional failures [06:23] because Id have to handle each one individually [06:23] apoca: but I still have no spooler [06:23] Skywise: not on raid61 [06:23] offlining/onlining etc [06:24] what lvm would let you do is have smaller raid arrays compose the whole volume [06:24] thats two raid6 arrays, mirrored [06:24] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:24] and raid6 is double failure tolerant [06:24] Also.. because im using pacemaker for high availability.. if i need to do anything with the array... i can do it offline.. and then swap primaries [06:24] with no effect on users [06:24] yeah, i know, but believe me, never count on an array not failing [06:24] Skywise: im not [06:25] which is why i have high-availability failover along with nightly incremental tape backups [06:25] mingdao: I will try the pkgs [06:25] i already use heartbeat [06:25] but its really overly complex [06:25] Skywise: FTPOTC: heartbeat==pacemaker [06:25] yeah [06:25] all i need from it is IP/DRBD switching [06:25] and im almost there anyway [06:26] well, i think its primary issue is that its too raw [06:26] theres still too much exposed that you really shouldn't have to manage [06:26] nothing short of armageddon will take this data offline [06:26] famous last words [06:26] it doesnt matter anyway... with the current piece of shit system, they are used to data being offline [06:27] you should be able to just designate an ip and resources on that and be done [06:27] one motherboard failed and the whole NETWORK was down for a whole weekend while I spent it here with sun engineers and overnighted parts [06:27] this will be heaven in comparison [06:27] I agree it should be simpler [06:27] but they add so many feature and whatnot in an effort to be flexible they've made it almost unmangeable [06:27] you need to compile at least6 4 separate components just to get it installed [06:27] and thats painful [06:28] especially as they all have almost the same configure params.. but not quite [06:28] its really hard comming back to an old configuration and remembering how to alter it [06:28] mingdao: there are some files missing, which are present in the i486 pkg in 12.2/pasture [06:28] thankfully.. this will be quite simple.. abasic install on a slack64 syetem, managing just IP and drbd whjich are the application's bread and butter [06:28] and with a little docuemntation.. should be fine [06:28] very much set and forget [06:29] I will have a look at it after lunch break [06:29] its been pretty reliable, but finding out what errors mean has been nearly impossible [06:29] apoca: yeah, I know :-( [06:30] i have the impression they'd really rather people paid for the commercial product [06:30] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-224.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] I built from 13.0 [06:30] each successive version has been less documented and changes aren't reflected in the wiki and there aren't even docs with the source [06:30] Skywise: of course they would [06:31] apoca: I'll build from 12.2 ... don't have pasture on my local mirror of 12.2 [06:31] slackboy: !seen banderols [06:31] hmmm [06:31] Skywise: but the problem is the project has just gotten out of hand [06:31] it's been refactored to death [06:32] it needs a from-scratch rewrite [06:32] but they dont have the time or developers to do it [06:32] well to me it seems they have a gui managment tool they haven't released [06:32] and if they did theyd end up using java install wizards and shit [06:32] and they only release the back end with manual management [06:32] Skywise: uhh [06:32] the gui tool exists and is available [06:32] but it requires pam [06:32] which is why i cant use it [06:32] yeah, there is one [06:33] but thats not what they use [06:33] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.24.226) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:33] the cli tools do the job fine [06:33] interactive on-line commands [06:33] not just config file editing [06:34] i'm just saying it shows all the hall marks of being gui based because of its not very human friendly [06:34] same as bacula [06:34] its just bad design planning [06:34] but they work [06:34] but yeah, i did all my things via cli [06:34] and knowing how they work gets your salary paid [06:35] i just don't feel like i have a solid grasp on the package [06:35] spend more time on it [06:35] do some test setups [06:35] i can get it doing what i want, and it fails over and does everything fine [06:35] its just one of those things you get more familiar with the more you work with it [06:35] but i feel like i'm working on a black box wearing mittens [06:36] if you just do one or two setups.. you wont be as familiar as if you tinker with it and do some custom setups for playing with [06:36] the whole triggers and scoring and such [06:36] bacula is just a prime example of bad interface design [06:36] apoca: which files are missing? [06:36] when does a score mean theres a real problem or a misconfiguration [06:36] is a watch dog failing because the timeout is too short when the server is being used or what else [06:37] and try to find out just what the implications are is impossible [06:37] impossible is overstated [06:37] it's hard [06:38] its just not documented well enough to find out what stuff means [06:38] vmhobbes (n=c@112.201.75.16) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:38] document what you know and submit it to the projec [06:38] t [06:38] that would take a few minutes [06:39] if it would be helpful to the community and would only take a few minutes.. [06:39] go nuts [06:39] shah16 (n=shah@121.246.152.157) joined ##slackware. [06:39] i don't feel theres anything i could say with any certanty [06:41] like it will dump stats once a day to the syslog and says you can safely ignore them, but theres nothing that says what they mean [06:43] wait until you read some of the log files [06:44] apoca: the 12.2 SlackBuild and the 13.0 SlackBuild are identical ... and I had all the other files in the directory. [06:49] yskapell (n=gkapel@195.134.89.99) joined ##slackware. [06:51] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) left irc: "Leaving" [06:51] Skywise: have you asked #linux-ha what any of it means? [06:52] thats a pretty dead channel [06:52] shah16 (n=shah@121.246.152.157) left irc: Client Quit [06:52] mingdao: all files in usr/bin and usr/sbin for example [06:53] still.. if there's nowhjere else to find the information.. doesnt hurt to ask [06:53] there should also be mailing lists [06:53] the information has to exist [06:54] i'm sure it does, and it seems intentionally obscured [07:01] then documnent for others where you find it :) [07:08] is that possible to use console mouse inside the slackware setup program ? [07:08] how can I probe the console mouse any help [07:08] or just I start that service ? [07:10] linuxexpert_: you should know its gpm, startable by chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm* and /etc/rc.d/rc.gpm start [07:10] pwc101 (n=pwc101@139.166.248.124) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] sid77_ (n=sid77@moko.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. 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[07:18] mv: cannot stat `etc/lpd.conf.new': No such file or directory [07:18] mv: cannot stat `etc/lpd.perms.new': No such file or directory [07:19] khaladu (n=kiran@61.16.182.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:19] mingdao: yep, I've already seen this, but I don't know why this happens [07:20] and also slack setup does not allow to install slack into a partation that not marked as linux am I correct ? But it can be fat32 but it should be marked as linux [07:20] am I correct ? [07:20] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:21] linuxexpert_: yes. [07:21] bisco (n=bisco@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:21] apoca: I've had too much going on to really look into it ... sorry. [07:21] why is that ? is this only for slax ? I think busy box can do like to any [07:21] linuxexpert_: installing Slackware into a fat32 partition is insanity [07:21] I will as a Slackware expert to have a look at it. [07:21] But hey, you're the expert [07:21] there's one now [07:21] mingdao: it's ok, thanks for your help :) [07:21] alienBOB: see, its fun [07:22] Action: MoZes laffs [07:22] alienBOB: what about installing it into NTFS? [07:22] Yeah I am only mocking wannabe experts spook ;-) [07:22] I am a linux expert not a slackware expert [07:22] which Linux? [07:22] ;) [07:22] eh? [07:22] mingdao: just as insane, we are talking _LINUX_ here [07:22] sid77 (n=sid77@moko.slackware.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:22] generally all linux [07:22] you don't put linux onto such a partition - the filesystem attribs don't map across [07:22] slackytude, I think it was, was seen installing Slackware into NTFS ... and said it ran [07:22] for a start the ownerships & perms would be broken [07:22] linuxexpert_: I advise you to change the nick, you are the object of ridicule now. [07:23] requesting PM to MoZes [07:24] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:24] Action: linuxexpert_ requested maximum timeout [07:25] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-136-224.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:25] yes [07:25] it did run [07:25] linuxexpert_: we are a public su[pport channel, getting help in a PM from one of the Slackware devs is a no-no [07:25] requesting pm? [07:25] although with a lot of errors [07:25] Action: MoZes sends invoice to linuxexpert_ ;-) [07:25] yes MoZes [07:25] heh [07:25] MoZes: i taught him manners [07:26] mingdao: but I wiped it and used ext4 now ^-^ [07:26] 134 euros per hour linuxexpert_ [07:26] Requesting PO (purchase order) to linuxexpert_ [07:26] spook: very good! [07:26] linuxexpert_: anyway ask your questions on the channel [07:27] ohh, finally a linux expert in the channel [07:27] most people can answer your questions [07:27] oky MoZes where you learn those file system internals ? [07:27] what HOWTO tutorial you read ? [07:27] khaladu (n=kiran@61.16.182.2) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Action: alienBOB restrains himself from spook-ing linuxexpert_ [07:27] :-) [07:28] good one [07:28] alienBOB: thats why you're an op, and i'm not [07:28] I cannot see colors when i do ls in my terminal, can anyone help? [07:28] new glasses? [07:28] khaladu: wait I know what you looking [07:28] khaladu: is it a login shell? [07:28] cornea transplants? [07:29] khaladu: maybe need ls --colors=auto ? [07:29] ls -l --color might work for a one timer [07:29] khaladu: http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/startupman/linux_sufunctions.html is that what you looking for ? [07:30] apoca: i wanted to tweak .bashrc [07:30] that is the funtion script [07:30] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.185.224) joined ##slackware. [07:30] hi there! [07:30] i could not see any bashrc in my home [07:31] khaladu: they are hidden [07:31] that start with . [07:31] use ls -a [07:31] need to make a .bashrc [07:31] Dinithion (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] @linuxexpert i know that [07:32] Action: linuxexpert_ looks like to be upgraded very quick [07:33] slacktude: it seems after creating bashrc also it did not have ne effect [07:34] khaladu: did you do "source ~/.bashrc" after editing it? [07:34] you have to fill it with stuff [07:35] linuxexpert_: it's just experience [07:35] linuxexpert_: I have not read any specific tutorials although I would give you links if I knew any [07:35] fine [07:35] apoca: yes i have put that in .bash_profile [07:35] linuxexpert_: but the best thing is to try it -- get a virtual machine like virtualbox, qemu or even a spare machine/spare hard disk [07:36] linuxexpert_: and experiment with what you want to do - if you wanna install onto ntfs, do it and see what warnings and erros you get. That is how i learned most stuff- by breaking it :) [07:36] khaladu: If you edit your .bashrc you have to reload it with source. maybe try to open a new shell [07:36] then if you are interested in specific reasons for why things are the way they are, you can find a lot of info online or in books. [07:37] MoZes: I can have the chance to get more experience, my father is going to change the whole business into linux [07:37] a bit ironic that your nick is called linux expert [07:37] linuxexpert_: how old are you? [07:37] linuxexpert_: but I know that NTFS is for Windows - and Windows has certain ways it stores its Windows ACL information and stuff -- it's not the same as Unix filesystems so there isn't a 1-1 mapping, and there shouldn't be [07:37] Dinithion (n=thomas@242.80-203-59.nextgentel.com) left irc: "leaving" [07:38] alienBOB: experience != old [07:38] it'd be like taking an engine for one type of car and trying to put it into a different model and make and wondering why it won't just work without losing some feature or having it break entirely [07:38] Action: MoZes goes to lunch [07:38] alienBOB: about 12 i think [07:38] apoca: i created 2 files .bash_profile and .bashrc [07:39] apoca: .bash_profile contains only 1 line "source ~/.bashrc" (without quotes) [07:41] khaladu: if you want changes to take effect instantly you have to manually source your .bashrc after editing it [07:41] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. 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[07:48] mr-S (n=sven@cc1182973-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:49] apoca: Im using X terminal emulator in slackware, are u suggesting that it does not use bash [07:50] khaladu: can you paste your .bashrc in some pastebin? [07:50] khaladu: what does "echo $SHELL" print in a new shell? [07:50] need a hand with sed. want to replace all "." except the last one. Example: Kung.Fu.Panda[2008]DvDrip-aXXo.avi ( .avi needs to stay ). [07:51] so far I can only repalce all. Any urls to point me to ? [07:51] anavel (n=Zack@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [07:53] sahko: http://pastebin.me/94fe69c7ac7076da21bc7c737cc0233d [07:54] apoca: /bin/sh [07:54] mr-S: you should have used another file as example... this channel has public logs [07:54] khaladu: so, you're not using bash ;) [07:54] khaladu: you are missing a "'" at the end [07:54] alexzyp (n=ping@58.254.92.222) joined ##slackware. [07:55] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:55] sorry: lets say test.testing.avi ( need to repalce all . except the last one ) [07:55] apoca: ohh i see!! thanks man [07:56] apoca: you can suggest me a good way to change it to bash [07:56] khaladu: If you want to change your login-shell you can use "chsh" [07:56] it also applies to mp3,txt,doc or any other extension [07:57] alexzyp (n=ping@58.254.92.222) left irc: Client Quit [07:57] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable003.2-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:58] extor (n=extor@c-98-193-85-83.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] hoobop (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:58] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [07:59] mr-S: for FILE in *.avi; do mv $FILE $(echo $(basename $FILE .avi) | tr . _).avi ; done [08:00] there is also rename [08:00] If you want to use that for other extensions than .avi you should replace the three .avi [08:01] thnks i give a try. google is not very helpful on this one .. [08:01] It replaces all dots with underscores, you can of course use another character [08:01] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:02] Was a nice movie btw... [08:06] Yalla-One (n=yalla1@unaffiliated/yalla-one) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Anyone know where I can find just WHAT changes need to made to qemu to make it work with KVM ? http://www.linux-kvm.org/ just states that I need a slightly modified one, but I can't find a patch or howto... any pointers? I'd rather use KVM than kqemu [08:08] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:08] alienBOB: funny side note. we just replaced our poster printer with a new one. it's a large format hp [42" wide paper]. they typically come with a set of print tests. for the image test, they have a big kung fu panda rendering [08:09] Yalla-One: hi ya [08:09] good movie, but you really shouldn't pirate such things [08:09] Yalla-One: iirc, it's in the KVM source [08:09] mingdao, Hi there !! long time no see - how are you? [08:09] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [08:09] morning... or what to call it :P [08:09] if you pirate, have the decency to do the leg work yourself. even if it's something as simple as renaming the file [08:09] Yalla-One: good, and you [08:10] macavity: morning to you from evening on this side of the globe [08:10] mingdao: which side of the globe is that? :P [08:10] left [08:10] mingdao: anything new regarding lprng? [08:10] I think ;) [08:10] Yalla-One: kvm source has the modified qemu [08:10] no ... but dinner was good [08:11] Nice to hear that ;) [08:11] Denmark calling (thats in Northeren Europe) [08:11] maybe I should give multilib a try and just install the old package from 12.2 [08:11] mingdao, pretty good indeed thanks - still learning new slackwarestuff :-) [08:12] uhm, what exactly is it that is supported by lprng but not CUPS? [08:12] alienBOB, thanks much! [08:12] jjnw (n=jjnw-wib@82-69-3-154.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:12] alienBOB: do you remember if lprng required any app other than ifhp? [08:12] Yalla-One: me, too [08:12] macavity: It's a 20yr old pieceofshit-software for a library [08:12] KluLess (n=Roberto@76.5.141.172) left irc: "Leaving" [08:13] and CUPS cant emulate lprng? [08:13] macavity: he has some real funky old scripts where he works [08:13] mingdao: no idea [08:13] thanks [08:14] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:14] macavity: I don't think so, these scripts are hard to read and I can't really say in which point it uses the REAL lpr command [08:14] cups-lpd? [08:14] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:15] Nick change: spymod -> spmd [08:16] apoca: you should check if the CUPS provided lpr command is syntax identical to lprng-lpr [08:16] alienBOB: any idea why your mozilla-nss Sbo script fails ? http://grbzks.pastebin.com/m4b3fb8cb [08:16] macavity: i will try that [08:17] just pressing lp suggests to me that CUPS is at least attempting to be lprng compatible [08:17] Yalla-One: http://spooksoftware.com/spook/slackbuilds/kvm.tar.gz [08:18] apoca: cups-lpd(8) [08:18] spook, Thanks - just finished compiling it based on the qemu.SlackBuild from SBo - if it fails on execution I'll have a look at yours :-) [08:18] its a slighly different binary [08:19] alienBOB: errm nevermind i just remembered i used it intact didnt bother to change ARCH [08:19] any idea why "installpkg cups-1.3.11-x86_64-1.txz" doesn't work? there's no output and $? is 0 [08:19] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:20] i usually dont build from SBo script as they are i modify all scripts [08:20] apoca: is that package in the same directory where you run the command? [08:20] macavity: yep [08:20] odd [08:21] try with slackpkg instead [08:21] slackpkg install cups [08:21] (after you pick a mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors) [08:22] apoca: if neither work you must have been doing something funky with the package selection [08:22] Action: macavity is a huge fan of full installs [08:22] me too [08:23] metrofox_ (n=metrofox@151.56.164.81) joined ##slackware. [08:24] Action: hitest also prefers full installs [08:28] gnubien (n=e@132.242.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:29] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. 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[09:11] giuppy (n=giuppy@host213-167-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:11] mingdao: I don't know how to config cups. I have all printers in the /etc/printcap, which is used by lpr [09:12] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-snbsaroomqkxavvb) joined ##slackware. [09:13] look at the cups manual for importing printcap [09:16] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A027.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [09:16] cups is pretty easy to use if you read what to do [09:17] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.46.94) joined ##slackware. [09:17] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:19] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[09:24] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:24] I can't find anything for importing printcap in cups :( [09:25] I've never worked with cups before, so I may be really wrong with my search terms [09:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [09:25] ok,there was some one in this channel who promised me a static build of *gnash*,is he here ? :) [09:26] no [09:26] aah,alienBOB,would you please build gnash for us ? [09:26] hi spook :) [09:27] Action: init[1] getting rid of adobe flash :-/ [09:27] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [09:27] slackytude (n=icke@p4FD89A40.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:27] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [09:28] init[1]: flash crashing? [09:29] hitest: not yet , but may, i would like a *free* environment,i currently have only two closed components [1] nvidia driver [2] adobe flash [09:29] oh guys.. you shoud SO watch the Windows 7 Release Party video currently being hammered on slashdot [09:29] Bad Taste Inc. Redmond! [09:30] init[1]: I haven't tried any of the open flash solutions. anything good out there? [09:30] hitest: gnash,afaik its good one,but high dependency [09:30] thanks:) [09:31] hitest: building a static gnash ,would be good,coz we even use a static flash player (adobe) [09:31] macavity: yeah, read that on /., what's the video about? it is getting mighty poor reviews. [09:31] http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ [09:32] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [09:34] mee, I give up using cups... [09:34] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.46.94) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:34] returning to trying to compile lprng :( [09:34] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:35] Nick change: oahong -> samigarus [09:35] hitest: just watch it >_< [09:35] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:36] Desiderius (n=chatzill@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:37] hitest: it is a very vary poor attempt at looking completely informal and community like and uhm not made by microsoft and you know, us being just cosy and big fans of windows 7 and not at all corporate puppies :P [09:42] skycrash (n=sky@189.58.171.218.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Hey [09:43] any use pidgin with plugin webkit on slack??? =) [09:43] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:58] if you're cd is a SATA driver then check the /dev/sr0 [09:58] it's then /dev/sr0 [09:58] np, paul [09:59] Zordrak: you there? [09:59] Yeah [10:00] bitching about TinyMCE not letting me just add a god damn blank line [10:00] UGH [10:00] even removing the
's that I added [10:01] Im told to setup a shared calendar for 5 - 8 people [10:01] I was thinking of using horde [10:01] problem is, those would like to keep outlook [10:01] skycrash (n=sky@189.58.171.218.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [10:01] got any recommendations? [10:02] only Zimbra [10:02] I can do compatability with pretty much anything... EXCEPT Outlook [10:02] macavity: looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool [10:02] Zordrak: thought so >_< [10:03] Zordrak: Zimbra can do it? [10:03] i *think* so [10:03] thats the way ms intended it to be [10:03] ask ananke (?) [10:03] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [10:04] Zordrak: right [10:04] Zordrak: thx [10:04] ananke: you there? [10:05] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:05] is anyone tried to configure live setup live CD boot and directly install using the HTTP ? I mean netconfig and change the contents in the /etc/hosts before I hit setup ? Any idea boys( I think there are no girls here :() ? [10:06] I mean without using a NFS or HTTP server on localdomain [10:06] linuxexpert: there are quite a few. [10:06] linuxexpert: dont recommend you do that. [10:06] why ? [10:06] slow. [10:07] it's oky [10:07] that means the answer is yes [10:07] if you lose your connection or something the install wont finish [10:09] Desiderius (n=chatzill@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.7/2009021906]" [10:11] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [10:12] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:12] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:12] mancha: aah, ok, but when i tried , it was tiresome [10:15] Action: linuxexpert imagines a install system that can be configured to many sources , ex :- if the CD fails then it should auctomatically go and download it , like that ,making availability [10:15] init, i have a lot of codecs built already so maybe thats why it was different for you [10:16] mancha: :),ok will give it a try once more [10:16] Action: init[1] request mancha to tab complete init[1],so that he get notification :) [10:16] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.46.94) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:16] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-opmfmjfkvzacrkiu) joined ##slackware. [10:16] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:ad) joined ##slackware. [10:17] best client for linuxexpert^ [10:17] tab complete does not exist in my universe :/ [10:17] DoVizra (i=wezre@server1.bshellz.net) joined ##slackware. [10:17] *thankfully* [10:17] Aloha brotha [10:17] Dicsoseg testverek [10:18] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.36.64) joined ##slackware. [10:18] DoVizra (i=wezre@server1.bshellz.net) left ##slackware. [10:18] mancha: are using a QWERTY ? [10:18] keyboard ? :D [10:19] affirmative [10:19] Action: init[1] roger that [10:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] ienh (n=ienh@rennes.elikya.com) left irc: "leaving" [10:21] Ok.. so I friggin hate the headers in my CSS and I will haver to deal with that.. or at least ask others with the same theme what they do.. but I have a new Page: [10:21] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/high-availability-storage-with-slackware-drbd-pacemaker/ [10:21] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [10:22] macavity: which party video? [10:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:25] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [10:26] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [10:31] Zordrak: another question, horde accepts ical invites, no? [10:32] look into the kronolith module [10:32] Action: slackytu1e nods [10:33] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [10:33] newslackwareusr (n=none@S01060014bfb5a4ef.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:34] slackytu1e: not sure if IMP will pump them into kronolith.. but lightning will [10:35] hello fellow slackers. Just thought i'd give IRC a try while i wait for linuxquestions. Not sure where to start with this problem and google is not really helping [10:35] lol. [10:35] start by describing it [10:35] newslackwareusr, the opposite of linuxexpert [10:36] i have a hp g60 249ca and the boot time is painfully slow, the installation disk runs fast but after the install the boot time and the console are both very slow. The nvidia drivers does fix the problem but only when X is running [10:37] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:37] hp *notebook [10:37] newslackwareusr: What exactly is that slow? [10:37] the scroll [10:38] and programs i run in the console [10:38] try using vga (no fb) [10:39] macavity: Thanks for the reply. Ha! just clicked on the win 7 youtube clip. lame. [10:39] vga=normal (in lilo.conf) or summit [10:39] or just another fb-driver (which one are you using atm?) if it's only yours that is bugging. [10:40] i'm using the nvidia 64-bit linux driver [10:40] macavity: on my machine, when I load KMS statically (*), my screen starts out at a nasty 800x600 until about 3/4 of the boot process, and then changes res [10:40] did you suggest yours instantly hits the appropriate res? [10:40] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:40] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] i'll give lilo a try [10:42] also comment out whatever current res is there (forget what slack defaults to) so make vga=some_number into #vga=some_number [10:42] hey guys, I am trying to set up my slackware machine as a PDC, do I need to have another machine on my network set up as a DNS server for this to function properly? [10:42] Zordrak: I shall see. any major gotchas when trying to install on slack? [10:43] If that comment is "d'oh" to you attribute it to my thinking you need a litle hand-holding (given your nick) [10:43] yskapell (n=gkapel@195.134.89.99) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:43] I have been researching DNS for the past week and my head is spinning [10:44] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [10:45] hi I just burned the cd , when I do md5sum /dev/my_cdrom I get some string but it is hardly an appropriate one since the cmd gaves it at once. Also how do I retrive the md5 hash from the .iso.md5 file ? [10:45] newslackwareusr (n=none@S01060014bfb5a4ef.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:45] cat file.iso.md5 [10:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:45] mancha: seems easy thx :P [10:46] macavity: nevermind, I think I've got it; 915 is a module [10:46] the md5sum on the cd device should not be instantaneous though [10:47] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [10:47] yeah I do the md5sum /dev/hdc/ what I do wrong ? [10:47] the trailing slash [10:48] hhah ok I do md5sum /dev/hdc of course ... [10:48] should be all good now. enjoy your hashing [10:50] mancha: it does not work ... maybe it is due to the reading mode ? binary/ text ... hmm [10:50] what doesn't work? [10:51] newslackwareusr (n=none@S01060014bfb5a4ef.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] if your user can't access the device then you need to md5sum as root [10:51] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:51] md5sum /dev/hdc no it gives some crappy hash at once [10:51] dd if=/dev/hdc | md5sum [10:52] you might need to be root paul, especially if your user is not in group "cdrom" and you have default slack privs [10:52] mancha, that fixed the prob. Thanks for the help, you rule. [10:52] news, glad its fixed, enjoy your new speed [10:52] lol. [10:52] cheers [10:53] mancha: ok thanks [10:53] ananke: also thanks [10:58] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [10:59] any ideas what could cause: "r8169: eth0: link up/down" message flooding in dmesg. Also my network doesn't seem to work [10:59] Nick change: Dominian -> freenode_staff [10:59] Nick change: freenode_staff -> Dominian [10:59] something is toggling your eth0 [11:00] papajack (n=papajack@host10-207-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:01] zmyrgel, ethX down happens when the "cable is unplugged" which means it can be on the other side of the cable [11:02] zmyrgel, or maybe on the side connected to your NIC (RJ45 connector is not in good shape?) [11:02] zmyrgel, I'd reset the switch and change the port on it as 1st step, then would check connectors on both side [11:03] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: [11:04] hi [11:04] somone using amarok? [11:04] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [11:04] Ok, gotta test those [11:05] acidtripper, yeap, why? [11:05] im having some problems [11:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:05] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:05] when i stop reproducing a song [11:05] and click another song [11:05] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-233.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:05] it hungs for at least 20 s to reproduce other song [11:05] is anoyinh [11:05] anoying [11:05] it's [11:06] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:06] and this happens only with amarok? [11:06] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-239.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:06] yea [11:06] with rythmbox dont [11:07] doesn't :P [11:07] hi. i have this issue and i am unable to resolve it. i dont' know why, what i've done but my home dir is encrypted only if i never logged in. [11:07] acidtripper, on which version of slackware is this? [11:07] is in archlinux :D [11:07] so, if i restart my comp, nobody can see /home. but if i log in my user and log out, the other users can see home dir [11:08] acidtripper, have you tried asking in that channel? [11:08] i am hosting a win 7 launch party [11:08] you need to dismount the crypted volume [11:08] spook, lol :) [11:08] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:09] How can I load kernel modules at boot-time? only through rc.modules? [11:09] no, i always used slack [11:09] plus the whole setup sounds like shit, why would other users be able to see that user's dir regardless of encryption [11:09] i figured i'd use kvm to host a bunch of win7 vms and get people to use vnc [11:09] spook, I'm gonna bring some cyanide :P [11:09] and i consdier that this problem is abot amarok arch [11:09] High_Priest: and see how easily people can break the machines [11:09] mancha, you're right! i did some things to automount it when logging in but not to dismount it [11:10] there you go [11:10] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-137-156.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:10] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:10] another issue. could you point me on what files to copy/move/replace in order to acces my encrypted /home user with ssh? [11:11] i need all the ssh files not to be in /home [11:11] is / crypted? [11:12] root? no. just my home [11:12] on a different partition [11:13] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521894.cns.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [11:13] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-168-94.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [11:13] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) joined ##slackware. [11:14] currently i can't log in by ssh. it sais Permission denied (publickey). Strange, couse friday it worked just fine [11:14] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-zeosmsfblfozjodg) left irc: "Bye" [11:16] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.88.11) left irc: "Leaving" [11:16] apoca, i sometimes use rc.local for that [11:16] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:16] clijunkie (i=1000@67.223.226.64) left ##slackware. [11:17] mancha: I found /etc/modprobe.d but don't really understand what it's used for. Can I put a file with the module-names in there? [11:18] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:19] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:21] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.0.4/2008102920]" [11:21] apoca, use rc.local [11:22] modprobe.d contains different files, one is a blacklist (those modules you don't want loaded) and other files are option files (options for modules when loaded) [11:23] ok, right. thanks for the hint [11:24] anyone know what is this? http://pastebin.org/29475 [11:25] Buggaboo (n=Buggab00@a83-163-207-12.adsl.xs4all.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:25] bad perms on your .ssh files [11:25] yes, but i tried to change the [11:25] them [11:25] try again [11:25] with what? [11:26] 644? [11:26] chmod [11:26] 600 [11:26] /etc/ssh - all files? [11:26] still the same [11:26] root is the owner [11:26] um no [11:27] ~/.ssh [11:27] Ugh... [11:27] ~/.ssh is not /etc/ssh/ [11:27] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [11:27] it is complaining about your private stuff [11:27] slackytu1e (n=icke@p4FD8A027.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [11:28] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:29] daiosho (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] gosh, again have to reinstall linux from live-cd and can't get it to work -.- [11:29] srecko (n=srecko@93.139.9.146) joined ##slackware. [11:29] why are you reinstalling? [11:30] erm, I mean reinstall lilo [11:30] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-171-215.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:31] hey i had a quick question, any reason that trying to compile gcc 4.2.4 on slackware 10.2 would fail? i get an ambiguous error [11:32] reading the error again, it seems to be complaining about the private host keys in /etc/ssh [11:32] those should be 600, did you change them? stop breaking ssh! [11:32] and yes ive tried googling for about an hour [11:33] note: people should not modify, alter, or otherwise change that which they dont understand [11:33] Aalinux (n=Aalinux@unaffiliated/aalinux) joined ##slackware. [11:33] but that's my favorite method of learning stuff.. break it so I can fix it -_- [11:34] mancha, i do. tell me pls, what is the private key i need? in /etc/ssh/ there are 2: rsa and dsa. In ~/.ssh there are 2: id_rsa and id_rsa.pub [11:34] Anyone here who knows how to setup pppoe connection from parted magic livecd? [11:34] ok Keiffer, your errorsfrom the pastebin are related to the hostkeys [11:35] yes. no it works. sor tof. it sais the thing with Permission denied (publickey). [11:35] when connecting [11:35] as root, chmod 600 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa_key and chmod 600 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_dsa_key [11:35] jalonso (n=jalonso@c-98-212-124-221.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [11:35] and don't fuck with those again [11:36] those are the _host_ private keys. [11:36] in your ~/.ssh you will find your _user_ keys [11:36] i don't want rsa. it's poor security [11:36] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [11:37] gnupg 1.4.10 switched to rsa by default. also dsa got cracked, obviously you havent heard [11:37] Aalinux (n=Aalinux@unaffiliated/aalinux) left ##slackware. [11:38] me? [11:38] anyway, how can i stop my system from useing this dsa [11:38] key [11:40] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[11:50] "cat /etc/hardwareclock" give UTC as the output [11:50] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] you set your timezone by linking the right tz to /etc/localtime [11:51] it could be in /usr/share/zoneinfo [11:51] did you sync your system clock to the hardware? [11:51] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] thats the standard location, i don't know if there is a tool to set your timezone [11:52] type0 (n=t0@brln-4dbaa594.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [11:52] wow windows people have a sandbox :D http://www.sandboxie.com/ [11:52] Skywise: timeconfig allows me to set the timezone [11:52] k [11:52] i've always done it manually or in setup [11:52] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-194-118.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:53] Skywise: Should /etc/localtime be a symbolic link? [11:53] acidtripper (n=gonza@190.19.235.226) left irc: "Leaving" [11:53] hey i had a quick question, any reason that trying to compile gcc 4.2.4 on slackware 10.2 would fail? i get an ambiguous error [11:53] it can be, some copy the file and make a symbolic link to where it was copied from [11:53] either way should be fine [11:53] adupuis_ (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Success [11:54] Skywise: Because on my system /etc/localtime is a regular file rather than a symbolic link [11:55] then it prolly has a symlinked locatime-copied-from [11:55] stitchman: without an error, we can't tell you [11:55] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.14.223.225) joined ##slackware. [11:55] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:55] Skywise: "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Calcutta /etc/localtime" => Is the command correct? [11:56] that should be fine, or you can just cp the fine [11:56] file [11:56] and rename it /etc/localtime [11:56] ? [11:56] yes [11:56] - thats the thing the error gave no specifics, just said to file a bug report. I didnt know if anyone here had offhand knowledge of modern gcc's not compiling on slack 10.2 with 2.4 kernel. thanks for responding though [11:56] Skywise: thanks [11:56] copy it over [11:57] Skywise: ok [11:57] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] Skywise: Looks like the contents of both the files (/etc/localtime and /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Calcutta) are same [11:58] Skywise: So the problem is in some other configuration [11:58] ok, thats reasonable [11:58] what happens when you set the clock in bios? [11:58] Never tried that [11:59] sHyLoCk_ (n=sHy@115.187.48.202) joined ##slackware. [11:59] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.164.81) joined ##slackware. [11:59] hi [11:59] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-171-215.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "[BX] A friend with weed is a friend indeed" [11:59] that should be easy enough to try out quickly [11:59] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-70-238-219-211.dsl.lbcktx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [11:59] Skywise: I feel that the problem exists in the hwclock configuration. Simply because "/sbin/hwclock" shows IST as the timezone. It should have been UTC right? [12:00] how can I mount /dev in a a chroot? [12:00] either should work [12:00] but i would prefer local time zone [12:00] apoca, what do you intend to do with that? [12:00] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Skywise: let me try setting the time in BIOS [12:01] mwnn (n=user@59.92.197.145) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:01] hiptobecubic: reinstall lilo from a livecd [12:02] paul424 (n=chatzill@91-207-68-2.ip.euro.net.pl) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] newslackwareusr (n=none@S01060014bfb5a4ef.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@83.87.139.196) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:05] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:06] ga_bash (n=gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:06] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-opmfmjfkvzacrkiu) left irc: "Page closed" [12:06] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:09] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-sromkpukphtzswbe) joined ##slackware. [12:09] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-16-29.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:11] Action: Zordrak just had a million-pound idea! [12:11] Air conditioning is exensive [12:11] Lots of people get hot [12:11] Personal Heatsinks!! [12:12] you may buy a consonant. I suggest you buy p. [12:12] meh [12:12] One million bucks for that tip please. [12:12] To my account asap. [12:12] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:12] nheco (n=nheco@200-203-111-27.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:12] doesn't anybody has any idea how I can reinstall lilo from a livecd? [12:12] Zordrak, i think most people use windows [12:12] Action: Zordrak gives Buggaboo the equivalent value in pubic hair. [12:13] in the wall to cool off and on their pc's to warm up [12:13] Which is one. [12:13] ZING [12:13] Action: Buggaboo goes to make pubic sweaters in China, using a million chinese labourers. [12:13] apoca: here: [12:14] apoca, you can just run setup from the cd can't you? [12:14] lilosetup [12:14] apoca: mkdir /foo;mount /dev/(your root partition) /foo; mount -o bind /proc /foo/proc [12:14] jasperhax0r (n=root@rrcs-67-53-182-134.west.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:14] apoca: mkdir /foo;mount /dev/(your root partition) /foo; mount -o bind /proc /foo/proc;chroot /foo;lilo;exit;reboot [12:15] Zordrak: lilo gives me error: Fatal: raid_setup: stat("/dev/md1") [12:15] I need to bind /dev into chroot [12:15] LOL pubic sweater [12:16] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Sounds itchy. [12:16] anyone here good with grep?, i would like to grep a file output one line at a time and use a loop to display the next line. what grep flag allows you to display a specific line on output? [12:16] jasperhax0r, what? [12:17] jasperhax0r: use sed [12:17] or head/tail [12:17] basicly in the loop, grep /tmp/stuff line 1, display other stuff then, grep /tmp/stuff line 2, display other stuff and so on [12:18] spook: lilosetup isn't available on the cd, is it? [12:18] jasperhax0r, Still not following you. Grep is for searching... not echoing [12:19] apoca: i'd hope it is. the installer uses it [12:19] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-88-254.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] tltstc (n=tltstc@76.90.95.39) left irc: [12:19] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] basically im greping a file and outputing multiple lines, i want to take this output and only display a single line of it then echo some other crap and then do the next line in the multiple line grep [12:19] spook: then I'm really blind and can't find it :( [12:20] jasperhax0r, ahhh you need some kind of buffer [12:20] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) joined ##slackware. [12:21] maybe make a fifo and use readline? [12:21] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-16-29.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:21] apoca: for future ref: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/29/re-installing-lilo-from-a-slackware-boot-cd/ [12:21] since what im doing is doing a iwlist scanning, taking that output and then making it display the ssid, then mac, then signal, then displaying next ssid, mac and signal in order instead of the huge list that iwlist gives out [12:22] jasperhax0r, ahhhhhh [12:22] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:22] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [12:23] mamababs (n=bggr@host81-141-52-176.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [12:23] Zordrak: I can't mount -o bind /dev, it gives me error mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev [12:24] thats pretty cool [12:24] Linux is the first to support usb 3.0 [12:24] so what i have right now is iwlist scanning > /tmp/list.txt, then cat /tmp/list.txt | grep ESSID, then cat /tmp/list.txt | grep Address, then cat /tmp/list.txt | grep Quality. this just outputs all ssids, then all macs, then all qualitys, i want to make it display first ssid, first mac, first quality, then goto the second ssid and so on [12:25] have you tried grep -C ? [12:25] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [12:25] jasperhax0r: you could also use awk [12:25] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [12:25] There's USB 3.0? Where the heck have I been? :P [12:25] true, im just forgeting all the flags lately [12:25] Nick_Patterson, not yet there isn't. [12:26] Nick_Patterson, well there is, but you can't use it unless you roll your own hardware [12:26] Which you probably can't if you didn't know about it yet :D [12:26] :D [12:26] Zordrak: another idea for mounting proc? [12:26] jasperhax0r, I guess you can also use grep without the pipe " | "; just try with: grep ESSID /tmp/list.txt [12:27] true [12:27] im just used to piping everything [12:28] guess its because of that large plumbers crack i have [12:28] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-214-55-238.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [12:29] jasperhax0r, i tried `iwlist wlan0 scan | grep -B 4 ESSID` and got nice results [12:29] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable179.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:31] well that does help [12:31] all though to make it look clean i have to use just -B 1 [12:31] but signal isnt really needed [12:31] apoca: sorry.. it's not "-o bind" its just "--bind" [12:32] Zordrak: don't those do the same thing? [12:32] Zordrak: gives the same error [12:33] thrice`: bah.. wasnt sure if -o accepted it [12:33] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) joined ##slackware. [12:33] no matter [12:33] yes, mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev eg will be OK :) [12:33] even iwlist wlan0 scanning | grep -B 1 -A 2 ESSID looks good [12:33] hahhaha [12:34] apoca: did you successfully mount the root partition? [12:34] iwlist wlan0 scanning | grep -B 1 -A 4 ESSID [12:34] jasperhax0r, i think my output is different from yours. [12:34] that works perfect, thanks for reminding me that you dont always need large bash scripts to do what you need [12:34] probably [12:34] Nice`n`Sleazy (n=charly@80-219-168-57.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:35] i have alot of junk in my iwlist output that isnt needed [12:35] Hatl (n=asdf@85.124.107.162) joined ##slackware. [12:35] Zordrak: yep [12:35] you say dev failed.. did proc? [12:35] ScreamerX (n=screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [12:36] no, proc works fine [12:36] that bad superblock doesnt make sense for a --bind anyway.. :/ [12:36] hello [12:36] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [12:36] is there any key combination, that puts my opengl fullscreen application in background? [12:36] hi all. does anyone know some smart channels for slackware or where i can find some? [12:37] Zordrak: that's what I thought ;) [12:37] also wondering if you started md in the boot env (as i thought i saw you have an md root in lilo) [12:37] not that it would afect the mount [12:37] Nice`n`Sleazy: sorry, there aren't any [12:38] yes, I started md [12:38] Nice`n`Sleazy: ...? [12:38] ok, but is assume then that kpackage is quite senseless? [12:39] well just installed it for the first time ... but opensuse affected my way of thinking somehow :) [12:39] Zordrak: http://nopaste.info/2118442dad_nl.html [12:39] so i have to compile al my software myself i guess? [12:39] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Nice`n`Sleazy: no, you don't [12:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:40] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:40] well thunbs, do you have any hint for a former lindows user like me? [12:41] lindows? [12:41] opensuse is quite windowslike ... :) [12:41] therefore lindows [12:41] Nice`n`Sleazy: that depends on what your actual question is [12:42] how does the packetmanagement work on slackware or is there any? [12:42] packetmanager..like wireshark? [12:42] Nice`n`Sleazy: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/09/28/slackware-package-management-guide/ [12:42] yban (i=1000@89.189.90.148) joined ##slackware. [12:42] grt, thx .. [12:43] should you care to set the core 2 / newer xeon in the kern config if you're redoing your kernel [12:43] if you've obviously got the newer xeon [12:43] apoca: have you tried those one by one{ [12:44] Zordrak: yes, same behaviour [12:44] hmm.. maybe you cant do it with dev for some reason :/ [12:45] i only ever bother with /proc [12:45] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:45] but ive not neeeded to do it on an md systm [12:45] :( [12:45] will test inamo [12:45] just finishing a kernel compile [12:45] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:46] I'll try starting the system from the cd with root= [12:46] sHyLoCk_ (n=sHy@115.187.48.202) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:46] although I don't think that'll work, as I just untar'ed it from a backup [12:47] i havent read slashdot in so long [12:47] oh how i've missed it [12:47] But then again, back in the 50's we didn't need all these fancy crumple zones, seat belts and air bags. Men were real men. Hell, I'll bet you dollars to donuts any man from the 50's driving that Bel-Air would have jumped right out of that wreck to help the crying sissy-boy with a cut lip driving that Malibu. [12:47] i wonder whats the most retarded. the mozilla build system or the OOo one. thats a rhetorical question, cause nothing can compare to OOo but mozilla certainly comes close [12:47] Ah yes the good old 50's, when men were men and women were property. [12:47] pupiteee (n=p@93.87.107.103) joined ##slackware. [12:47] zordrak. thx a lot, your link is exactly what i was searching for ... [12:48] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-87.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] hi All .. I need help to install aufs on 13.0 ..thnkx [12:48] My observations were that I'd much rather be in an old tank like that in a minor accident. Anything major, and I'd rather be in a modern car with things like seatbelts, crumple zones and air bags. [12:48] Yep, that's why before getting involved in any traffic accident, I always carefully choose the car I own which would be best suited. Now if you'll excuse me, I might accidentally run over my neighbour in his backyard while I'm on my way to the store. I think I'll pick the Hummer, it's the better one to get through wooden fences. [12:50] jasperhax0r (n=root@rrcs-67-53-182-134.west.biz.rr.com) left irc: "life is like a box of chocolates, its full of rat turds" [12:50] spook: women aren't property anymore? [12:50] When did this happen?! [12:50] straterra: are you holding a windows 7 launch party? [12:51] apoca: works fine [12:51] I was going to, but your moms vagina was already booked by the entire west coast..so..I'm reconsidering [12:51] apoca: do some double checking [12:51] is there a way to minimize a fullscreen opengl application? [12:51] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [12:51] apoca: does /foo/dev exist for example [12:51] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-244-25-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:52] also.. use --bind [12:52] meh.. both DO work [12:52] straterra: i'm hosting a windows 7 is stupid, let me show you it and linux side by side [12:53] party [12:53] Sweet! Just make sure to show Flash stuttering in Linux..and Intel/ATI drivers not working [12:53] Oh! And show trying to install VMWare or any out of kernel tree drivers on a modern distro [12:54] That'll make people want to use Windows for sure! [12:54] vmware sucks [12:54] kvm + libvirt is better [12:54] spook: true [12:54] Uhm..no [12:54] Vmware has a lot of features that kvm does not [12:54] which, coincidently is what i'll be using [12:54] straterra: name a feature [12:54] although im still attached to virtualbox [12:54] Teaming and network throttling/loss simulation [12:55] Running with a Windows host [12:55] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:55] lol [12:55] esx doesnt run on a windows host [12:55] I didn't say ESX [12:55] I didn't mention a specific product [12:56] oh i'm sorry, i must have mistaken your talking about vmware, for a product that people ACTUALLY use [12:56] How about a block locking FS instead of file locking? [12:56] How about the ability to actually run a cisco switch [12:56] Zordrak: which cd-version do you boot from? 12.2 oder 13.0? [12:57] straterra: what? [12:57] What's the question? [12:57] _guitarman_ (n=guitarma@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:57] iscsi? [12:57] spook: it's not illegal to /ignore straterra you know.. i can see you have forgotten [12:57] Who said anything about iscsi? [12:57] apoca: whichever.. the one i just did was 13 on 13 [12:57] Zordrak: i had actually done that. [12:57] ok. i managed to resolve the problem with ssh [12:57] straterra: run a cisco switch? [12:57] Yes. You can run a cisco IOS switch in ESX [12:58] straterra: wtf has locking got to do with anything? [12:58] With vlans and everything IOS supports [12:58] i still got one. i need to move/remove/ all the files in /home/keiffer/.ssh so they can be accessible before mounting the encrypted /home [12:58] straterra: thats great. i'm sure thats very useful. [12:58] how can i do that? [12:58] spook: It has to do with anything when you have multiple machines using the same block device [12:58] Ever heard of..I don't know..clusters? [12:58] oh right [12:59] i see what you're saying. [12:59] i'm not sure how you'd do it, but its possible [12:59] spook: :redo [12:59] You'd use gfs..but vmfs handles the locking much better [13:00] straterra: i suppose. [13:00] Zordrak: did you say something? [13:00] How easily can you convert a running OS to a kvm one? [13:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:02] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-130-87.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:03] Um.... [13:03] straterra: Well, I suppose you could tar it all up, untar it using a live CD or some such, then chroot into it and fix up the bootloader. [13:03] Alan_Hicks: What about a windows guest? [13:04] You're on your own there. I can't help you with Windows. [13:04] what do i need to move/remove/copy from /home/keiffer/.ssh so the files can still be accessible before mounting the encrypted /home? [13:04] I'm just making a point that VMWare products do offer features that kvm doesn't [13:05] Vubi (n=vubi@209.188.119.229) joined ##slackware. [13:05] Alan_Hicks: OOI, do you know why Pat adds -smp to kernel LocalVersions when its already added in the kernel string by default? [13:05] Alan_Hicks: i can only assume its to make sure it's in uname.. but i dont know why [13:05] can slack clean windows boxes that have viruses/spyware? [13:05] Vubi: maybe with clamd.. [13:05] But keeping up with clamd is a bit of a pain in the ass [13:05] Vubi: you need an exorcist for that [13:06] Vubi: no it cant [13:06] Zordrak: Hmm.... I wasn't aware of it being in the kernel string by default. Are you certain that's correct? [13:06] That won't help with bitlocker drives though [13:06] deco: i hear ya, im trying to figure out the best way to fix windows pc's with a distro [13:06] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:06] And you'd want to combine it with ntfs-3g [13:06] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [13:06] spook: bad advice ftl [13:06] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Nice`n`Sleazy (n=charly@80-219-168-57.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware. [13:07] anyone have the link to tell you what device a certain block was ? [13:07] 104,1 [13:07] Alan_Hicks: well.. im confusing what im saying a little [13:07] Alan_Hicks: vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp [13:07] ^ why both? [13:08] whichever one you get rid of.. surely only one is necessary [13:09] http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.31/Documentation/devices.txt neermind [13:09] Zordrak: I don't know. Possibly a simple oversight. [13:09] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:09] Alan_Hicks: been a long time.. would have thought you cant fail to notice it.. suggesting he has some reason. [13:11] Action: Alan_Hicks shrugs. [13:11] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [13:12] heh.. same answser i get from everyone [13:12] id mail pat.. but id expect him to ignore it [13:13] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dbc3f11.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [13:13] So..what magic answer do you want? [13:13] Action: allend thinks of Frank Sinatra singing New York New York, so good they had to name it twice. [13:14] nheco_ (n=nheco@201.14.223.225) left irc: "Saindo" [13:14] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:15] giuppy (n=giuppy@host239-162-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [13:15] moh2a (n=mohaa@188.115.67.55) joined ##slackware. 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[13:27] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [13:28] init[1]: what do you think would have to be added to that static build of gnash?// [13:28] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [13:28] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:28] I think if you use the gstreamer backend, you do not have to add ffmpeg statically, and if you use cairo as the renderer you do not have to worry about other dependencies [13:30] jhw (n=jhw@p548F6A6F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] yban (i=1000@89.189.90.148) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:31] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [13:31] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-214-55-238.lnse4.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:31] anybody here use dvorak keyboard or layout ? [13:31] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:32] shyko (n=shyko@187.39.222.216) joined ##slackware. [13:32] xsamurai: a few [13:33] spook: would you say better then qwerty ? [13:33] xsamurai: its certainly different [13:33] i am lost. can anyone please explain what are etc/ssh/ssh_host_rsa priv and pubkeys? ~/.ssh/id_rsa priv and pub? [13:34] xsamurai: apparently better for things like rsi [13:34] Nick_Patterson (i=c7b98404@gateway/web/freenode/x-sromkpukphtzswbe) left irc: "Page closed" [13:35] spook: yeah thats definitely a big plus, i'll buy the stickers and try it out, thanks [13:35] xsamurai: heh [13:36] Just installed a new internal sata drive and my old drive is writing a file onto it only at ~700KB/s I recall writing into my external drive at much faster speeds.. hmm. [13:36] using dmi? [13:37] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) joined ##slackware. [13:39] I am trying to disable my laptops's mousepad, but can't find entry for that in my xorg.conf. There are two sections on mouse, but one of them is already commented out. any ideas? [13:39] Keiffer: what do _you_ think those are for? [13:39] alienBOB, i don't know anymore.... [13:40] Well then forget about them. [13:40] i can't make it work anymore [13:40] Explain please. Not work? [13:40] a week ago it was just fine [13:40] What [13:41] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-192-174.bna.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] armence (n=armence@c-67-188-229-128.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] what did you change? [13:41] FINALLY! My netbook lives. [13:41] Keiffer: You're not being very helpful. [13:41] Hey, does anyone know of a CLI program to read .doc files? [13:41] yes. a week ago, my ssh did this. on putty asking the priv key (from my home/id_rsa) [13:41] Alan_Hicks: its a puzzle! [13:41] alienBOB: aah,thank you for that gnash tip, i'm working on it :) [13:41] then, it was asking for the passphrase of that keyy. input it and it worked [13:42] init[1]: I already built a package, but have not tested it yet. I was wondering how to add the media codec support [13:42] now, when i ssh in it just connects [13:42] Like, using gstreamer do I just need gst-plugins-good? Or more ? [13:42] Keiffer: that is good isnt it? What was your intention then? [13:42] i am ssh-ing in locally since i have no means to use 2 machines [13:43] alienBOB: the documentation says,gnash would play all the formats that local mplayer would support http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/manual/gnashuser.html#runs-on [13:43] Apparently you have configured sshd for passwordless authentication using ssh keys Keiffer [13:43] last line of that para^ [13:44] briareus (n=briareus@mayo-nat2.mayo.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:44] PasswordAuthentication no [13:44] alienBOB: its always configured to allow that, but he probably turned of passwords [13:44] PermitEmptyPasswords no [13:45] Keiffer: while generating keys did you made use of any password ? [13:45] Keiffer: revert to the default sshd_config [13:45] spook, i did that. [13:45] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd restart [13:46] i think it has to do with authorized_keys file? [13:46] what should it contain? [13:46] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] cryptic0 (n=cryptic0@209.189.246.113) left irc: "Leaving" [13:47] Keiffer: depends on what yu want [13:47] By default it does not exist at all [13:48] i want to connect from any other machine to my machine, using that rsa key. id_rsa. [13:48] echo id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_kets [13:48] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [13:48] echo id_rsa.pub >> .ssh/authorized_keys [13:48] note that its the PUBLIC key [13:49] also, i want it to ask me the password (not my login password, but the passphrase of the key) in order to have some security if i loose the key [13:49] you do that when you generate the key [13:49] Yes, public keys of the user go into the authorized_keys file of the server [13:49] Keiffer: that you have to configure it while you generated it [13:49] ssh-keygen -t rsa [13:50] spook, i appended pubkey to auhorized_keys [13:50] The private key is the one that needs to have a passphrase [13:50] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75C4B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Keiffer: that is good [13:50] i already have the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub keys. i wish to use those [13:50] Keiffer: they are matched pairs [13:50] also the private key is protected with the password [13:51] when you generate them, they will only work with the conterpart. [13:51] yes. i understand this concept. [13:51] init[1]: would you prefer gnash using gstreamer for the media backend, and then a gst-ffmpeg package to give gnash access to ffmpeg's codecs, or would you rather see ffmpeg statically built into gnash?//////// [13:52] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "argh" [13:52] I think with gst-ffmpeg, every app on the computer would benefit, not just gnash [13:52] alienBOB: the first one [13:52] yes [13:52] my problem is that it doesn't ask me for the privkey passphares when connecting [13:53] <_guitarman_> Keiffer: I like it that way [13:53] <_guitarman_> lol [13:53] AEnima1577 (n=clbarnob@nc6521894.cns.vt.edu) left irc: "Leaving." [13:53] <_guitarman_> if someone gets my laptop i just unplug the cable (tell someone at home) and then make a different key [13:53] <_guitarman_> at a later date [13:53] <_guitarman_> but i am lazy [13:53] <_guitarman_> ;) [13:55] so, what do i do? [13:57] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] hi all. is anyone familiar with tuxonice? [13:58] Keiffer: start from square 1 , understand each step you do [13:58] Keiffer: i suggest you to read man ssh and friend [13:58] s/friend/friends/ [13:58] its wroth the hours spent [13:59] i am trying but i can't find any good sshd guide [13:59] man ssh? [13:59] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [13:59] sshd [13:59] yes [13:59] i did mention ssh and firends :D [13:59] ssh has friends, i feel so alone [14:00] <_guitarman_> ssh has a man even [14:00] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:00] obvsly ^ [14:00] damn [14:01] <_guitarman_> so u can't get with her xsamurai [14:01] i always pictured ssh as a dude [14:02] <_guitarman_> hahhah [14:02] <_guitarman_> it didnt fit my joke [14:02] i might be wrong but i remember i converted the id_rsa (not pubkey) to ppk (putty use) and connecting with that private key [14:02] <_guitarman_> but yeah, so did i [14:02] is that possible? [14:02] <_guitarman_> a big superhero type [14:02] lowkyalur, the kernel patch [14:02] Zordrak, lokes like my work mates want to use exchange for the calendar.... [14:02] douchebags all [14:03] <_guitarman_> freedom fail [14:03] I shall let them embrace their doom [14:03] witz (n=witz@unaffiliated/witz) left irc: "Leaving" [14:04] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Keiffer: don't think of other alternative ways, first follow the standard way [14:04] well, the one dude is a total poser, the other is a nice guy but not experienced. Im not convinced they can set it up [14:04] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:04] slackytude: exactly. i'm running 13.0/64bit and lzf compression is not working. so i switched to lzo, which works but does not resume but boots normally instead. then i get strange errors afterwards. switching back to lzf fixes it but it does not compress so it's very slow [14:05] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [14:05] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:05] lowkyalur, I dont know very much there. but I thought tuxonice was kinda pointless now [14:05] wakeup^ (n=wakeup@koln-5d8166e4.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] hiho [14:06] init[1], no, i didn't. i just remembered that was how i connected to my home pc from another [14:06] anyone got ananyone got an idea how I can run a program but prevent it from loading libraries? [14:07] I wanna test if I succeeded at linking sth statically [14:07] slackytude: how come? did i miss anything? [14:07] Keiffer: like init[1] pointed out earlier, you need to do a bit of reading to get a better understanding [14:07] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) joined ##slackware. [14:07] lowkyalur, I might be mistaken there [14:08] yes. ok. thank you all for the help! [14:08] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] Nick change: adamk -> adamk_ [14:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-snbsaroomqkxavvb) left irc: [14:14] Zordrak: I gave up and went home... I think it all has to do with the md-raid I use [14:14] kde performs piss poor when used on a diskless machine [14:14] now, you know [14:17] and I found out that windowmaker is quite good [14:17] init[1]|S (i=buffer@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:18] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Boo! [14:19] wakeup^: eh, try "file yourbinary", it should say "statically linked". Also "ldd yourbinary" should say "not a dynamic executable" or such [14:19] Zordrak: what was your ptoblem with the -smp in the kernel package? [14:19] apoca: having a raid issue? [14:20] agentc0re|work: I tried to reinstall lilo from live-cd on a raid-device [14:20] wakeup^: you could also do something like... strace -eopen ./yourbin 2>&1|grep '\.so' [14:20] agentc0re|work: but I'm at home now and don't want to think about it ;) [14:20] apoca: Oh, easy. .... Oh, nm then. :P [14:20] (sorry, late replies) [14:20] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [14:21] y0 Urchlay , agentc0re|work [14:21] yo slackytude [14:21] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) left irc: "Leaving" [14:21] heya apoca [14:21] heya slackytude. [14:21] hey slackytude [14:21] y0 excavating|remedied [14:21] err, Urchlay [14:21] y0 agentc0re|work [14:21] hey hastened|risers [14:21] agentc0re|work: you can tell me if you want, but I will try it on friday ;) [14:21] y0 fire|bird [14:22] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:23] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:23] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:23] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-114-55.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:24] apoca: well you should be able to chroot your raid device once you've done a few things. view http://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0/README_RAID.TXT and read the TROUBLESHOOTING section. once you do those steps, you should be able to rerun lilo. [14:24] curtisk (n=bck@unaffiliated/braintix) joined ##slackware. [14:25] agentc0re|work: no, lilo can't stat the /dev/md1 device ;) [14:25] I've read the whole document, but it doesn't work [14:26] something might be in error in your lilo.conf then. [14:26] did you post it earlier? [14:26] nope [14:26] well then we'll talk more on friday then. [14:27] s/then// [14:27] yes, good idea =) [14:27] neonflux (n=mrjones@nmd.sbx05686.santaca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:27] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.216) joined ##slackware. [14:27] darlek (n=dfas@212.183.134.131) joined ##slackware. [14:28] anyone know the the yahoo server current pidgin is using ? ..im using 12.2 version and cant upgrade at mo [14:29] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.216.167) joined ##slackware. [14:29] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [14:29] Sometimes I get the feeling that my whole slackware-setup is pretty much fucked up and I don't understand anything I do :D [14:30] lol [14:30] slackware hates me, it must be something personal [14:30] I get that on mondays [14:30] too [14:31] ;) [14:31] I get it on monday, tuesday, thursday and friday [14:31] init[1]|S (i=buffer@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:31] cause I'm at school on wednesday [14:31] no Wednesday? :P [14:31] haha [14:31] heh [14:31] hate it back [14:32] mancha: I try, but on the other hand I need it :( [14:32] too bad [14:32] init[1]|S (i=buffer@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:33] love/hate then. you have a few choices, switch to a less user-intensive distrib, stick to slackware's default configuration, learn to admin your box :) [14:33] depending on your personality-type, you might find #3 very rewarding [14:33] ;-) [14:34] maybe switch WM's. a lot of your impression depends on how the gui stuff works [14:34] Id probably dislike slackware with gnome [14:34] slackytude: I don't use a WM ;) I only work on the box remotely [14:35] intimacy issues? [14:35] oh [14:35] slackytude: I installed gsb on the desktop, it's not bad, but I HATE PulseAudio :P [14:35] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:35] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [14:35] i heard the point of kd4 was to increase gnome's slightly falling userbase :) [14:35] *dke4 [14:36] Action: mancha gives up [14:36] We only have 2 slackboxes, all the others are freebsd and solaris. and I'm the only one who even can admin the slackboxes, cause noone else ever used linux before :( [14:36] mancha: gnome 3 is looking quite interesting, they've actually changed the ui a bit. [14:36] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [14:36] fire, i'm not a fan of either but i think i would choose gnome if i were forced to use one [14:36] jhw (n=jhw@p548F6A6F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:36] apoca, heh, interesting [14:36] apoca, what shop is that? [14:37] I found gnome to be totally annoying [14:37] it's a library [14:37] at least the fedora gnome [14:37] apoca, this channel is a good source of help to be honest. just try to come here with smart, focused questions. overly broad "help me nothing works" rarely gets productive answers. [14:37] mancha: yeah, Ubuntu 10.04 is suppose to have gnome 3 available for install. It's fun to keep up with what's happening with kde and gnome, but I'm an xfce fan now. :) [14:38] PulseAudio is an absolute pain though, I wan't to kick it to the curb. [14:38] fire|bird, sure about that? 10.04 is LTS, they wont include gnome 3 if it aint stable [14:38] mancha: I've been here for about 3 months now, and I know how to ask questions ;) I just think that I can't get used to the "slack-way" of doing stuff [14:38] slackytude: It's as an optional install from a repo is what I've read. [14:38] what's the slack-way? [14:38] apoca, there are two ways, Pat's way or the wrong way [14:39] one of the reasons i like slackware is there's no "way" unless you mean way=do it however you like [14:39] yeah, and I always go the wrong way :( [14:39] from what i understand about ubuntu LTS, not _all_ of the packages fall under the LTS category. [14:39] fire|bird, ah, ok [14:39] whatever, works done for now and I'll have a rest [14:39] see you all on friday or whenever I try to get the damn thing to work again ;) [14:39] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslb-088-070-024-031.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:40] ananke, dunno about that, but I got that tidbit from an article about Ubuntu 10 [14:40] apoca, don't give up! [14:40] see ya apoca [14:41] westol (n=chatzill@113.22.57.160) joined ##slackware. [14:41] init[1] (i=buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:43] someone do, [ -d /usr/share/locale/fudd ] && echo heh [14:43] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] who has the fudd dir? [14:44] omg it's an locale fioow for ElmerJFudd! [14:44] yes [14:44] Nick change: Quiznos -> ElmerJFudd [14:44] it's foo mew [14:44] rofl [14:44] it's gowt my diawect in it [14:44] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [14:44] mancha: Apparently ElmerJFudd does. :/ [14:44] rowing on flow lowfing [14:44] lol [14:44] i never saw that before [14:45] that's rich [14:45] mancha: but then his system os messed up beyond repair, so...... :P [14:45] not it aint [14:45] s/os/is/ [14:45] it's just limited to opera i think [14:45] :) [14:45] we're back to previous state; opera sucks. [14:45] it's all quite sinial (sine) [14:45] opera doesn't suck. It's not opera's issue, it's the user. :) [14:45] pff [14:46] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [14:46] http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/c339/ [14:46] [opera]tor sucks you mean fire? [14:46] hahaha [14:46] heh [14:46] nice one mancha [14:46] is that bytesex? [14:46] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [14:47] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Client Quit [14:47] i wish ~rms would clean up alittle bit; i saw a foto of him in a mag, he looks unkempt [14:47] lol, a chuck norris shirt [14:47] I gotta have that [14:47] or maybe that's unkept? [14:47] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [14:47] i gotta try that fudd locale [14:49] spook: http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/b3b2/ [14:49] spook: you need that. [14:49] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [14:50] where do i put libflash*.so? [14:50] Google knows, go ask it. [14:50] usr/lib/moz and where else? [14:50] You only put it in one place [14:50] just don't google, google. [14:50] you'll break the interweb. [14:50] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] haha [14:50] intarwebs [14:51] there's more than one?!? [14:51] gxine sucks still [14:51] not intarwebs, interwebs, we speak english here. [14:51] afaik yea [14:51] no no no, inTarWebz [14:51] in tarred ballz [14:51] dear lord, it's getting worse. [14:51] interWebTarz [14:51] interWebTar.gz [14:51] fire|bird: what did i do ? [14:52] agentc0re|work: I put Sabayon on my laptop now. :P I'm gonna do a fresh install of slack 13 on the desktop today too. [14:52] deco: everything? [14:52] fire|bird: :P [14:52] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) joined ##slackware. [14:53] deco: I'm gonna do a fresh slack install today, leave kde out so install will be faster, and then I can install it later if need be. :D [14:53] fire|bird: nice :D [14:53] fire|bird: why'd you put Sabayon on, i thought that was a gnome tool. [14:53] fire|bird: is qt4 in /kde ? [14:53] deco: I don't believe so, but not sure. [14:53] fire|bird: yeah hmmmm [14:53] samuelig (n=samuelig@200.pool85-57-157.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [14:53] tallship (n=tallship@174.33.24.54) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:54] agentc0re|work: Sabayon Linux, it's a kde 4.2 desktop [14:54] ah [14:54] Action: fire|bird slaps agentc0re|work [14:54] :P [14:54] agentc0re|work: I put gnome on the desktop, I hate pulseaudio, it HAS TO GO. [14:54] fire|bird: http://projects.gnome.org/sabayon/ [14:54] fire|bird: grrrr pulseaudio i hate that with a passion [14:55] haha, All your settings are belong to us. :P [14:55] deco: same here. It's crippled my audio stuff, I HATE IT. [14:55] but, nothing a fresh install won't take care of. :D [14:55] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] moha__ (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) joined ##slackware. [14:56] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.188.207) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Guest54042 (n=[A]kber@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [14:56] misspwnage (n=misspwna@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] hey misspwnage [14:56] pppd is not calling /etc/ppp/ip-up, after connecting... any idea? [14:56] hoi [14:56] misspwnage: How's it going? [14:56] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [14:56] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [14:57] y0 misspwnage [14:57] ca someone please tell me what this does? sudo sed -i 's/#PasswordRequired=false/PasswordRequired=false/' /etc/gdm/gdm.conf it replaces what with what in gdm.conf? [14:57] hai ahai [14:57] tavl, did it ever do that? [14:58] slackytude: as far as i readed at pppd manual, yes... [14:58] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@81.57.177.108) joined ##slackware. [14:58] Keiffer: It replaces #PasswordRequired=false with PasswordRequired=false So what that is doing, is uncommenting that password line. [14:58] fire|bird: are you updating/installing from source or using their binary packages ? [14:58] tavl, what you doing? [14:58] slackytude: connecting to a VPN [14:58] fire|bird, thank you! [14:58] Keiffer edit a file in place, removing the # line comment [14:58] slackytude: and need to setup the routes [14:59] deco: Who's binary package? You mean that link agentc0re|work gave? That's not what I installed. I installed www.sabayonlinux.org ;) [14:59] Keiffer it appears to no effect given the value is still false; might be app default anyway [14:59] Keiffer: you're welcome. [14:59] fire|bird: no i mean sabayons way of on installing packages [14:59] there's the gentoo way and a binary way [14:59] ElmerJFudd: It uncomments that line you idiot, so YES it does change something. :) [14:59] :P [14:59] tavl, you created the file yourself? [14:59] fire|bird dumb bird, read the second line i writ [15:00] deco: Ah, it uses source. The gui package manager is Sulfur and the cli app is entropy [15:00] deco: It's gentoo based. [15:00] fire|bird: i know :) [15:00] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) joined ##slackware. [15:00] fire|bird: you can use binary or source [15:00] deco: It's really nice. I'll get xfce on it eventually. [15:00] fire|bird: :D [15:00] deco: yeah, default of Sulfur looks like it uses source. [15:00] slackytude: yes... and its +x.. [15:01] fire|bird: ok [15:01] ElmerJFudd: It still has an effect, it's uncommenting that line, thus passing to gdm login manager to not require a password. [15:02] deco: Updates will soon be done with it too. :) [15:02] 123 of em [15:02] fire|bird: just give up ;) [15:02] fire|bird: that's nice, it's kinda like a rolling release [15:02] but not really [15:02] thrice`: :) will do. How's it going? [15:02] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. [15:02] good, and yourself? Up to anything exciting? [15:02] westol (n=chatzill@113.22.57.160) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:03] thrice`: I'm doing excellent, thanks. I got Sabayon on the laptop to mess with, and I'm going to do a fresh slack 13 install on the desktop today, I'm going to not install kde at all during install, I can add that later if need be. I'm lovin xfce too much now. :P [15:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [15:04] aah, nice :) [15:04] and, eliminating kde will make the install a lot faster. [15:04] I've not tried sabayon, only heard mixed things about it [15:04] and, I'm going to go back to ext3 from xfs too. [15:04] yeah, Sabayon is really nice, kde 4.2 desktop, has a lot of games installed and xbmc. Installs flux too, can get gnome and xfce also. [15:05] tavl, not sure. you could try changind the options file and give it the connect parameter to setup routes [15:05] isn't their default installation pretty big? It seems to stick out in my mind from what I've read on it [15:05] I'll start the slack fresh install as soon as the laptop is finished updating. [15:05] slackytude: is there one parameter for this? [15:05] thrice`: yeah, it is, there's ALOT installed with it. [15:05] thrice`: You can also do a core install too, leaving you with no gui, X, etc and build up from there. [15:06] s/too// [15:06] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [15:06] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:07] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:07] cool, it does similar to slack, shows you the new config files and lets you overwrite, merge, etc. [15:08] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A75C4B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Catoptro1ancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:09] haha, when it's done, in Sulfur on the Progress tab, it says "Nothing to do. I am idle Really, don't waste your time here. This is just a placeholder. I'm still alive and kickin'" [15:09] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Client Quit [15:10] so, now, when i try to connect by ssh on myself, it asks for rsa private key passphrase. and again. and again. and then Permission denied (publickey). [15:10] :) [15:10] do you think in heaven they have working machines for me too? [15:11] Keiffer: Yes, they have an IBM super computer just waiting for ya. :P [15:11] with preinstalled slack 13 [15:11] do you have cyanide!? [15:11] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.216.167) left irc: Client Quit [15:11] Am I suppose to? :P [15:12] in heaven they have an ssh implementation ready for you to break [15:12] omg this stupid dell data safe shit wont stop popping up [15:12] i don't want to do a back up [15:12] dell data safe, wtf, you're on Windows still? :P [15:12] mancha there's no need for security in heaven :) [15:12] Nick change: ElmerJFudd -> Quiznos [15:12] yeah i've been busy [15:12] misspwnage: That's not acceptable. :P [15:13] sure, until you get a portscan from the 4th ring of hell [15:13] fire|bird: you're not acceptable! [15:13] mancha lol [15:13] but i closed it on the task manager and it has popped up 3 more times like. i don't think you really wanted to close it down [15:13] misspwnage: have the little one install it, he can press keys by now, right? :P [15:13] fire|bird, do you have any idea why it keeps asking for the passphrase? [15:13] GATT0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:13] Keiffer: No I don't. sorry. [15:13] lol [15:13] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] misspwnage: Just give him the laptop and slackbook. He'll be fine. :P [15:14] moh2a (n=mohaa@188.115.67.55) left irc: No route to host [15:15] since i am using linux i feel like a marine doing thousand of pushups. only intellectual ones. what doesn't kill you, makes you stronger [15:15] hahaha [15:16] Keiffer: when i first started it took me 3 days to figure out a. how to paste in vi and b. edit lilo , we didnt have google back in the days [15:17] you'll be fine in a couple of months [15:17] ls [15:17] yea, but your right brain wasn't f**ed up by Chernobyl [15:18] Well, at least ya still got the left one. [15:18] are you from mother land , comrade ? [15:18] are the rumors of 35 lbs tomatoes true? [15:19] mother land? [15:19] Keiffer: aka russia [15:19] mancha: those were actually code words for testicles [15:19] init[1]|S (i=buffer@free.psybnc.and.eggdrop.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:19] mancha: Ever heard of the show Destination Truth? [15:19] rings a bell, what is it who shows it? [15:20] oh, i am from russia's ex-slave, romania [15:21] mancha: It's a show on SyFy where this group of people go out and try to find mythical creatures, etc. that they get alot of reports about. The reason I bring it up is because tomorrow's episode, they will be at Chernobyl. [15:21] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-183-112.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] Action: deco doesn't watch tv anymore :/ [15:21] that would make you ceausescu's slave [15:22] speaking of Chernobyl, the chernobyl virus was pretty nice [15:22] i spread it to all the computers at school [15:22] xsamurai thats lame, did it make you feel proud? [15:22] mancha: yes it did [15:22] mancha: kids you know [15:23] lame kids [15:23] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [15:26] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.36.64) joined ##slackware. [15:26] Nick change: eviljame1 -> eviljames [15:27] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:27] fire|bird: i really enjoyed playing the oil blob thingy game that comes with sabayon , have you played it ? [15:27] deco: yeah, that's a fun game. :) [15:28] fire|bird: fascinating :P [15:28] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] sabayon? [15:29] macavity: yeah [15:29] macavity: Sabayon Linux [15:29] oh.. YACLD [15:29] haha [15:29] that took a while ;-) [15:29] macavity: I installed Sabayon on my laptop, to mess with. [15:30] afk [15:30] ok [15:30] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:30] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.36.64) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:31] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-244-25-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [15:31] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [15:32] [Kairos] (n=Kairos@unaffiliated/kairos) joined ##slackware. [15:33] anyone knows where is that lilo conf file ? [15:33] /etc/lilo.conf [15:33] there isn't [15:34] It ran off! [15:34] there should be [15:34] maybe it seen you coming and left [15:34] :( [15:34] It's not there if you did not install lilo [15:35] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:39] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:41] dchmelik (n=d@dynamic-66-243-235-148.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-168-94.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:44] dios_mio (n=test@88.244.194.225) joined ##slackware. [15:44] how can i make the encrypted partition to be unmounted when logout? [15:44] i made it to autmount at login... [15:46] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:46] Nick change: GATT0 -> g4tt0 [15:47] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [15:48] i can't remember the name of the new (ish) official (?) update manager. slack.. something or other [15:48] slackpkg [15:48] blackula (i=1000@97.81.112.34) joined ##slackware. [15:49] i use ubuntu lol.. i laugh at you... i apt-get install everything easily in one line lol [15:49] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [15:49] cheers [15:49] there is a problem alienBOB I think I have to pass some kernel parameter when booting I think the usb flash pen take some time to probe [15:49] greetings Pig_Pen [15:50] hi phoenix^ [15:50] let's try another method [15:50] Pig_Pen: How's it going? [15:51] good, how are you phoenix^ ? [15:51] ah, firebird? [15:51] Pig_Pen: excellent, just doing a fresh slack13 install on my desktop pc. [15:51] Pig_Pen: yes, fire|bird. :) [15:52] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:52] I was on irc on the laptop and desktop at the same time before, so I'm phoenix^ [15:52] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [15:52] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] if i am Pig_Pen then it is my desktop, if i am RipVanWinkle then it is my laptop [15:52] _bruno (n=bruno@200.145.37.66) joined ##slackware. [15:53] _bruno (n=bruno@200.145.37.66) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:53] _bruno_ (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) joined ##slackware. [15:53] Nick change: _bruno_ -> _bruno [15:53] since this desktop is using the TV as a monitor i find i just use the laptop when i am watching TV, usually there is nothing good on to watch [15:54] tltstc (n=tltstc@cpe-76-90-95-39.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:57] hay alienBOB are you write this tutorial ? http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot ? thanks in advanced explicitly [15:57] dru1d (i=zorbar@unaffiliated/grafzero) left irc: "leaving" [15:58] do real men use irssi or xchat? [15:58] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [15:58] dios_mio: irssi [15:58] Sailors use xchat [15:58] not sure about that one. [15:59] old fogies use irssi. [16:00] I use irssi, I'm not an old fogie either. :P [16:00] screen + irssi ftw! [16:00] indeed! [16:01] Action: linuxexpert_ hay alieanBOB you looks like an Aliean http://www.facebook.com/profile/pic.php?uid=AAAAAQAQzIwLfJHAd9MH1UJWFMd91QAAAAksg1JxxDvn6WjAisPzNsKb [16:01] i use irssi and i am an old fogie [16:01] Oh, where is the real Old_Fogie... [16:02] He hasn't been around for quite a while. [16:02] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [16:02] i have not seen him around in a while either [16:02] Something jeev said got under his skin, he left and hasn't been back since. [16:03] dios_mio (n=test@88.244.194.225) left irc: "leaving" [16:05] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:05] I'll rip jeev's balls off for that [16:06] Action: ananke votes for jeev to leave the island [16:06] What in the world did he say? Any idea? [16:07] Alan_Hicks: I can't recall, logs would remember however, it was earlier this year, April, march maybe? [16:07] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24-116-8-105.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:07] I could swear I've seen him since then. [16:07] however thanks explicitly to the alienBOB for writing that HOWTO article , you are a beatiful being [16:07] Alan_Hicks: me too [16:07] Alan_Hicks: I haven't. I'm in here everyday. [16:08] samuelig (n=samuelig@200.pool85-57-157.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:09] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:10] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [16:10] jeev is a misunderstood creature [16:11] ah, nothing like a fresh slackware install. :D [16:11] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [16:12] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24.116.8.105) joined ##slackware. [16:12] from what i know of jeev he is an Armenian from somewhere around the Iran Turkey border or Armenia? [16:12] and is a christian living somewhere in Los Angeles [16:13] Pig_Pen: Wow, that PI is paying off eh? :P [16:13] shall I send a hit squad? :) [16:14] that would make him doubly persecuted in his native land, being both a christian and armenian the turks and muslims from that whole area probably give the armenians & christians a pretty rough time [16:14] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [16:15] I looked through the channel log, and actually jeev did nothing wrong [16:15] He mocked Old_Fogie after some scriptkiddie ran a DCC exploit which disconnected Old_Fogie's router [16:15] But that was pretty harmless [16:16] Old_Fogie was furious about the hack being deployed in the channel and left, and never returned since [16:16] bumped off the net for a few seconds, minor annoyance [16:17] papajack (n=papajack@unaffiliated/papajack) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:18] Linux has the advantage of being a smaller target, most all systems have password protected root, and the various distros are all using different libraries and binary versions so viruses and other misc. malware wont go as far as if they were made for ms-windows [16:18] yeah it was a misunderstanding on Old_Fogie's part. I miss the old fart. [16:18] vst (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.189.36) joined ##slackware. [16:20] y0 LnxSlck [16:20] explore (n=msparker@pool-173-57-72-22.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:21] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:21] hello fire|bird [16:21] hello happy slackers [16:21] LnxSlck: How's it going? [16:21] fire|bird: nice.. just finished up having dinner and you? [16:22] LnxSlck: excellent, just finished a slackware 13 fresh install. :) [16:22] fire|bird: already got xfce setup ? :P [16:23] deco: soon. Just transfering my data back, I switched filesystems to ext3, so couldn't keep /home [16:23] fire|bird: how did that went? [16:23] fire|bird: ah, why not ext4 ? [16:23] LnxSlck: excellent, and fast. I left kde out. :P [16:24] deco: That's a little to new for me to want to put that on the desktop, but I do have that on the laptop to mess with. [16:24] does 12.2 recognise etx4 ? [16:24] moha__ (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:24] etx4* [16:24] ext4 ;) [16:24] ext4* [16:24] :) [16:24] the kernel i mean ? [16:25] fire|bird: whoose laptop computer ? [16:25] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] I'm not sure if 12.2 kernel can see ext4 darlek. someone else might know though. [16:25] linuxexpert_: It's my own laptop. [16:25] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] fire|bird: i have ext4 but i don't see much of a difference [16:25] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: [16:26] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] I think I was backdoored ! [16:26] deco: well, there's differences there I'm sure, I just want to wait for it to be more tried, true, and tested before it goes on my deskop. [16:26] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "fui embora" [16:26] i tried to mount 13 from 12.2 and i would recognise ext4 .....wondered if the kernel had a module [16:26] fire|bird: nice [16:26] wouldnt* [16:26] fire|bird: yeah [16:26] LnxSlck: xfce is SO FAST. I love it. [16:27] fire|bird gets all excited when someone mentions xfce :P [16:27] I have alot of data though, so cp will take a while. :P [16:27] deco: xfce is great. I got kde going really fast, but xfce is just excellent. [16:27] darlek (n=dfas@212.183.134.131) left irc: "Leaving" [16:27] fire|bird: i know.. its great [16:27] fire|bird: RIP kde RIP gnome , welcome xfce ! :P [16:28] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.164.81) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] keyboard shortcut to open the kde start menu? [16:28] ou should try openbox [16:28] deco: Ugh, gnome + pulseaudio is horrible. [16:28] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.161.130) joined ##slackware. [16:28] LnxSlck: openbox is alright. I like pekwm, that's a nice one. [16:28] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:28] sort of a nice combo between flux and openbox [16:28] fire|bird: yeah it's just plain horrible [16:29] deco: But, now I have a nice fresh system to mess with. :) [16:29] fire|bird: havent tried that one [16:29] Get to rebuild things, etc. Always fun. :) [16:29] fire|bird: have you tried any of the xfce goodies ? [16:29] hi fire|bird :) [16:29] metrofox: saluti :P [16:29] ciao deco :) [16:30] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-137-99.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] hi metrofox [16:30] deco: Oh yeah. [16:30] fire|bird: i still need to :P [16:30] LnxSlck: SBo has pekwm, but use the latest version from pekwm's site. [16:31] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:31] deco: rworkman has packages for them all. :) [16:31] fire|bird: i should give it a trt [16:31] try [16:31] fire|bird: yes, im just lazy right now [16:31] fire|bird: I'm still *fighting* with drupal :P [16:31] s/right now// ;) [16:31] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] m314 (n=mt@87.63.32.249) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:32] y0 Rat409 [16:32] hey firebird,how goes it? [16:32] Rat409: excellent, just did a fresh install on the desktop. :) [16:32] you? [16:33] not bad,thanks. tried that gentoo dvd,either need cheatcodes or it doesn't like my laptop. kernel loaded fine but accessing filesystem seemed to take forever [16:33] Rat409: I had the same thing happen with my lappy [16:34] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.44.105) joined ##slackware. [16:34] wakeup^ (n=wakeup@koln-5d8166e4.pool.mediaWays.net) left ##slackware. [16:34] shyko (n=shyko@187.39.222.216) left irc: "Leaving" [16:35] probly i need noapic nolapic noapm acpi=off to be safe. downloading calculate dvd atm,something to do.gotta remember to buy some dvds,1 left [16:35] Rat409: I have Sabayon Linux on the laptop atm, it's quite nice. [16:35] Elektro (n=elektro@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] haha, I have a bunch of spindles of dvd's, I won't run out for a while. [16:35] anybody have an issue with usb mouse? pointer moves but clicking something is interrmittent. will not bring window to forground can klick on "k" menu keyboard is working. [16:35] i have a usb mouse and it works fine [16:35] indeed it is very polished,but update/upgrades == emerge lol [16:36] lol [16:36] Rat409: Sulfur is a nice frontend for that. [16:36] ha, my rc.d/rc.scripts for qemu/kvm work [16:36] Rat409: It has xbmc, OH MAN is that nice. [16:36] fire|bird: haven't played with that yet [16:36] Rat409: It's on the slackbuilds mailing list [16:37] fire|bird, sabayon is quite nice. [16:37] cool [16:37] fire|bird, one distro that requires wee work to get games running. [16:37] Buggaboo: yeah, it is. [16:37] actually, zero work, for a bunch of popular titles. [16:37] Rat409: However when I tried to get the slackbuild for it, all I got was a .bin file. :/ [16:37] how would i recursively move contents from a directory up a level WITHOUT losing attributes? ie is this safe? cp -r /some/crap/here /some [16:38] Buggaboo: yeah, it has a bunch installed already. [16:38] might be a silly question but i can't afford to screw perms up [16:38] y0 vastina, long time no see, how's it going? [16:38] fire|bird: not bad man, how are you? [16:38] vastina: i think so [16:38] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:38] vastina: excellent, thanks. Yes, that should be safe, it's a direct copy from one place to another. [16:39] fire|bird: so i won't be losing attributes to each file? i'm using fuse ntfs-3g, and i just want to ensure i'm not screwing up an NTFS setup from my *n?x host [16:39] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24.116.8.105) left irc: "Leaving" [16:39] i think cp -ar is better [16:40] -a retains attributes [16:40] Skywise: cool, hopefully this does it [16:40] thanks [16:40] yw [16:41] Buggaboo (n=Buggaboo@83.87.139.196) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:41] oh yeah, forgot -a. thanks for that Skywise. sorry vastina. :) [16:41] xdan779 (n=dduncan_@64-233-207-75.static.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] never trust fire|bird :P [16:41] deco: never trust a bird-o-fire ;) [16:41] haha [16:42] wubbster (n=wubbster@24.206.157.137) joined ##slackware. [16:42] :P [16:43] i also could have just read man... being lazy [16:43] Action: vastina shamed [16:43] lol [16:43] Vince___ (n=Vince@91.106.34.83) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:43] if you don't like the first copy you can always make another [16:44] indeed [16:44] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:44] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [16:44] rsync and cp = <3 [16:44] love at first copy & sync? :P [16:44] i was gonna suggest rsync, but i assumed you had a reason to use cp [16:44] they're both do the job [16:44] grapes = <3 [16:45] how can i make cron to run an alarm (mp3 file) before any user logs in? at the login scree, i mean... [16:45] Skywise: yeah there was a specific reason for cp on this one [16:45] Has anyone managed to get Flash x64 installed? Opera won't load flash pages and Firefox just segfaults. I'm probably missing a dependency since I do custom installs and chose not to install a heck of a lot of packages. [16:45] I might just make this install multilib and install nspluginwrapper. [16:45] fire|bird: *limp* ha! ha! [16:45] ive never had a good reason to use rsync :( [16:46] wubbster: you never had to recover from a disaster on a failing hard disk then [16:46] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:46] Keiffer, you wouldn't do it as a cron job, cron is a timer, you could edit /etc/profile to add the command to play the tune [16:46] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [16:46] but i suspect you will soon tire of hearing it [16:46] Vince___, I've gotten it to work. [16:46] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:46] Vince___, Simply using the slackbuild: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/ [16:46] adamk: Did you have to do anything or did it just work out of the box. [16:47] Vince___, As I recall, it just worked. [16:47] I'll give the Slackbuild a try then. [16:50] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [16:50] Nick change: mako-don1 -> mako-sama [16:50] jgor (i=jgor@r74-192-150-204.gtwncmta01.grtntx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net) left irc: "leaving" [16:50] Nick change: jgor_ -> jgor [16:51] adamk: it still segfaults, I must be missing a dependency, I'll have to have a look. [16:52] skywise, i need to wake up my pc and use it like an alarm clock. every morning [16:52] i don't think anything runs while its hibernating [16:53] i never keep it hibernating. it just wake up by bios [16:53] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24.116.8.105) joined ##slackware. [16:53] if its booting, you can always put the command to play a file in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local [16:53] Action: vastina coughs *WOL* [16:54] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [16:54] yes, but wouldn't it play it every boot? [16:54] i need it only at 6:00 am [16:55] you need two boxes, one needs to be always on [preferably a hand-made gateway] set a cron job inside the gateway to internally "wake-on-LAN" your "alarm clock" box [16:55] then just set the cron job for 6am, and then it will play if its running [16:55] why do i need that? my bios can wake my pc at a custom hour [16:55] when the computer boots isn't relevant [16:56] because your bios won't play a file [16:56] and you don't want it to play every time you boot [16:56] so you set it to play whenever and leave it at that [16:56] no, but it will boot my linux. and linux will go at login screen. since i can't login, no cron job (tried that) [16:57] mamababs (n=bggr@host81-141-52-176.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:57] cronjobs run when you're not logged in [16:57] you prolly haven't given it enought time to boot before you miss the trigger [16:57] i didn't for me... [16:57] Keiffer: when any *n?x host is up... it runs something we call daemons... you don't need to be logged in [16:57] make it wake 15 mins early [16:58] so cron is a deamon [16:58] Action: vastina nods and chuckles [16:58] yes [16:58] yes i do that. but even now, if i log out keiffer i can't make any command to be run by cron [16:58] you have other issues [16:59] yeah. wow [16:59] when your cronjob fails it should send you an email with the output [17:00] if he set up his mailer spool correctly [17:00] otherwise it'll be on root's e-mail [17:00] maybe [17:00] Nick change: spymod -> spmd [17:01] it's at times like this that i get this appreciation for the bluntness of the BSD crowd [17:01] sometimes linux communities leniancies... are almost comical, am i alone? [17:02] well you can start out as an expert [17:02] or you can have tough love like "read man!" [17:03] its not always a matter of reading, comprehension is the important part [17:03] ah nice take... i'll change that now... [17:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:03] COMPREHEND MAN! [17:03] mirc???? [17:03] oh boy [17:04] i needs to learn that boy some irssi [17:04] Vince___ (n=Vince@91.106.34.83) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] o_O [17:06] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:06] Keiffer: use irssi my friend! [17:06] i will, but i am kinda new [17:06] so, i did sudo crontab -e and added this 05 00 * * * cvlc --repeat /media/sda3/music/24.mp3 [17:07] but at 12:05 was nothing. no sound [17:07] th path is good, in the terminal it workes [17:07] rg3 (n=deckard@62.32.135.216) left irc: "Leaving." [17:09] anybody running radeon 7000 and kde4? tried "plasma -graphicssystem raster" and its better but still pretty slow in places. [17:10] check the email of the user of the cronjob [17:10] sluckxz: you can't fix what is broken :P [17:10] haha [17:11] 4.3.1 is a nice improvement over 4.2.4 though. [17:11] sure.... [17:11] I'll give 4.5 a try ... maybe.. [17:11] lol [17:11] xfce > * [17:12] wubbster: :) [17:12] jasperhax0r (n=root@officegateway.ethostream.com) joined ##slackware. [17:12] Skywise, VLC is not supposed to be run as root. Sorry. [17:12] thanks [17:12] any idea on what to use as root to play the mp3? [17:12] type0_ (n=t0@brln-4dbc3f11.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:13] uhm..dont use root? [17:13] why run it as root [17:13] Keiffer: why are you using root? [17:13] cvlc would work i believe [17:13] hmm, i sense a pattern here [17:13] normal user (keiffer) has crontab too [17:13] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [17:13] mingdao, cause i want to make cron wake me up at login screen [17:13] every 6am [17:13] at login screen? [17:14] you login in your sleep? [17:14] lol [17:14] don't bother, we've already been well around that mullberry bush [17:14] zzzzzzzzz password: [17:14] compgenius999 (n=IceChat7@84.70.79.150) joined ##slackware. [17:14] th pc wakes up everymorning [17:14] your crontab must have just woke me up ... need java [17:14] how and when? [17:14] it's a bios setting. at 5:50 [17:15] he just wants a file played at 6am [17:15] Keiffer: buy an alarm clock ... 2.99 at Wally World ;) [17:15] and the alarm should go off at 6 [17:15] as normal user do your crontab [17:15] mingdao: hahaha [17:15] no don't like alarms [17:15] well, you got it see for 00:05 [17:15] to test it [17:15] you wanna rooster? [17:15] now [17:15] ok [17:15] yea [17:16] my rooster didn't crow yet, so it musta been your crontab woke me up [17:16] haha [17:16] i use crontab as an alarm as well :o [17:16] i just have it load an mpd playlist and play [17:16] Keiffer: why don't you use normal user, which can run cvlc? [17:16] :o [17:16] I haven't used an alarm at all since 2000 [17:16] it was my Y2K thing [17:16] didn't worked either. let me chech [17:17] good night [17:17] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:17] Keiffer: try mplayer [17:17] g4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host19-69-dynamic.54-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: [17:18] jhw (n=jhw@p548F6A6F.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [17:18] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:18] hey all im testing something if you don't mind .. im trying to get a virus /malware but all websites i go to i get nothing [17:18] musta worked ... now my rooster's crowing [17:19] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:19] macman_: get a hotmail or yahoo accout [17:19] account even [17:19] macman_: Google for EICAR [17:20] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:20] Action: linuxexpert_ rebooting [17:20] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.36.64) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.3/20090824101458]" [17:21] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [17:21] wth does the linuxexpert announce to channel that it's rebooting? [17:22] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:22] mingdao: to show off his expertise ? [17:22] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] anybody know where i would get the p54 usb wireless driver for slackware so i don't have to keep using ndiswrapper which is very buggy... [17:23] compgenius999: Sure..step 1, find out what the actual chipset is [17:23] not you again :P [17:23] Step 2, google [17:24] its a prism54 [17:24] deco: We have an linuxexpert and a compgenius. :P [17:24] i checked [17:24] step 3, if doing it on your own fails, ask again [17:24] fire|bird: we are honored :P [17:24] how to you make mplayer repeat a file in the cli command? [17:24] deco: or cursed [17:24] it seems slackware has it in the wext driver... [17:24] yet it fails unless i modprobe my ndiswrapper [17:24] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) joined ##slackware. [17:24] and anyways deco, everythings working great on slackware now [17:25] compgenius999: great :D [17:25] lol [17:25] but do i know you ? [17:25] lol [17:25] compgenius999: I'm a little embarassed telling you this ... thought to do it in PM ... issue "lspci -vv" on a box where it works and read the line saying "kernel driver" or "kernel module" [17:25] i did dmesg [17:25] it uses p54 usb on ubuntu for my wireless [17:26] i plugged it in after ubuntu had started to read what it used [17:26] so if we aren't using xorg.conf in 13, how do i try the ati driver and disable the radeon driver? [17:26] isl3887usb_bare [17:26] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/60302.stm OMG! Linux! Penguins are turning to prostitution [17:27] sluckxz: you can make a xorg.conf and use the ati driver. [17:27] do you know why my system gains sudo permisssions without asking for the pass? [17:27] wow, how can a penguin be a prostitute [17:27] yes keiffer, probably your in the wheel group [17:28] rocks are the currency of penguins [17:28] Pig_Pen: Life ain't easy as a penguin. :P [17:28] Keiffer: have you checked that you are not logged in as root ? [17:28] Keiffer: expose that mystery ... who is your sysadmin, and what did he say? [17:28] guys... I go to bed now... It's getting late :P [17:28] metrofox: ciao :P [17:28] no, i didn't made any modifications since 2 hrs ago, when it worked fine [17:28] i am not rood [17:28] ciao deco, ci si vede ;) [17:28] fire|bird, whats it using now? im kind of behind in linux development especially regarding X. [17:28] Keiffer: what does id say [17:28] goodbye fire|bird =) [17:28] seba323 (n=sebastia@ppp-88-217-25-45.dynamic.mnet-online.de) joined ##slackware. [17:28] see ya metrofox [17:29] mingado, no sys admin [17:29] desktop pc here [17:29] uh oh [17:29] goodbye guys ;) [17:29] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:29] sluckxz: It uses hal, and other things to try and detect everything automagically. [17:29] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.161.130) left irc: "Segmentation Fault" [17:29] I think Keiffer found the power switch [17:30] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:30] neat. is there any output to read vesides lsmod and glxinfo? [17:30] mingdao: \o/ [17:32] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:32] sluckxz: issue "lspci -vv" on a box where it works and read the line saying "kernel driver" or "kernel module" [17:32] Keiffer: how's that power switch work? [17:32] haha, it works. crontab alarm! [17:33] but now, why do i get sudo permissions w/o password? [17:33] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [17:33] Keiffer: 05:14 < mingdao> musta worked ... now my rooster's crowing [17:33] uhhm. what for? [17:33] hehe [17:33] portia (n=portia@cpc3-seve13-0-0-cust106.popl.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:33] Keiffer: are you in the wheel grouip, and have the appropriate line uncommented in /etc/sudoers? [17:34] sluckxz: more output to read [17:34] sluckxz: issue "lshal" for more output to read, too [17:34] i have no knowledge of being in a wheel group, never touched sudoers [17:34] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [17:34] a few hrs ago it worked just fine [17:34] Keiffer: issue id in a term as normal user [17:34] ic true true thanks. that is a lot more to read. i m trying hints and tips right now though. [17:35] have you restarted yet to see if that fixes it keiffer? [17:35] you need to change your nick [17:35] compgenius999 is now known as comp999 [17:35] ;) [17:36] compgenius999: is now known as compretard666 [17:36] compgenius999 is now known as dufuss [17:36] compgenius999, no, only many logouts [17:36] hahaha [17:36] mingdao, what am i looking for there? [17:36] Keiffer: If you're in the wheel group [17:36] well what is the id it gives you? [17:36] wheel [17:36] lol [17:36] so yes? [17:36] listen to that compgenius ;) [17:36] lol [17:36] so yes? [17:36] he's a super hero! [17:37] super at what? :P [17:37] we'll have to grep him and see [17:37] ;) [17:37] lol [17:37] sick bastards [17:37] getting an ancient wireless card thats really badly supported to work on slackware? lol [17:37] nope, no wheel group [17:38] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:38] grep compgenius999 | knowledge manpage [17:38] No manual entry for knowledge [17:38] grep -e *super* compgenius999 [17:38] lol? [17:38] STUPID [17:38] you have to question if you should laugh? [17:38] nope [17:38] compgenius999: has you checked in the LQ HCL? [17:38] then why the question mark? [17:38] or has you checked your freend Google? [17:38] compgenius999 is now known as superdufuss [17:39] IDIOTRY [17:39] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-103-200.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:39] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host81-152-49-58.range81-152.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:39] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [17:39] Keiffer: could I trouble you to post the contents of /etc/sudoers into pastebin.ca ? [17:39] TRYST OF BAFFOONS [17:39] mingdao: He left, again. :P [17:39] is a baffoon anything like a baboon? [17:39] hey, i haven't been here in days, if i'm so much of an idiot then how comes i haven't bricked my slack yet? [17:39] shucks, he's quick on that power switch [17:40] he needs to get out of sudoers really badly [17:40] compgenius999: You're an idiot when you use the term 'brick' when you obviously don't mean the word 'brick [17:40] straterra: +1 ;) [17:40] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:40] Also..just because it hasnt broken doesnt mean anything [17:40] compgenius999: Google define:hose [17:40] y0 slackers...How's everyone? [17:41] probably means he doesn't have root [17:41] GIBBERING BUNGLENUTS! [17:41] shweet MLanden [17:41] I can leave a peice of glass and a hammer next to each other and not touch either one for days..and the glass remains intact [17:41] y0 MLanden, how goes? [17:41] straterra, well i haven't screwed anything up and i have been using it fine [17:41] See above [17:41] Good to hear,mingdao [17:42] Also..a nick of 'compgenius999' doesn't help your cause any [17:42] Was compgenius998 already taken? [17:42] nope [17:42] still wrestlin' with this old intel 845g and 13,fire|bird..other then that,cool [17:42] Maybe compgenius997 was [17:42] straterra: he's genius... allow... [17:42] we got Keiffer waking us through crontab; compgenius999 not "bricking" his comp; linuxexpert generally wanking ... film at 11 [17:42] FLATULENT WIT! [17:43] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:ad) left irc: "Leaving" [17:43] flatulent? do you know what that means pragma_ ? [17:43] mingdao: big group of winners [17:43] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [17:43] DEFECATION OF IDEAS! [17:43] pragma_: gassy wit? [17:43] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [17:44] or a smelly tale,fire|bird...:D [17:44] wtf is going on here? [17:44] Affected by gas in the intestine; likely to fart; vain [17:44] MLanden: haha [17:44] eviljames: you really want to know? :P [17:44] eviljames: you're missing out on the geniuses who've graced our channel [17:44] pragma_: kill the caps [17:44] vastina: I've really been neglecting irc over the last little while, has this been ongoing? [17:45] yeah, the channel went to hell in a handbasket since you left eviljames [17:45] Pig_Pen: well, people better get their flame suits back on, I found my new bridge. [17:45] heh [17:45] That doesn't even have to make sense. [17:45] I think we got a bunch of Ubuntu immigrants [17:45] Hell must be fully stocked with handbaskets by now. [17:45] eviljames: i've kept up as much as you... [17:45] GENTOO POWERHOUSE! [17:46] ubuntu r against me [17:46] pragma_: kill the caps [17:46] maybe the poor user's wrestling with an older Intel or an ATI and finally is coo-coo for cocoa puffs...sad thing,really [17:46] compgenius999: how long did you use ubuntu? [17:46] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] eviljames: just have brilliant lusers coming in not COMPREHENDING man and *n?x basics [17:46] 2 dyas [17:46] days* [17:46] it broke twice [17:46] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [17:46] rhys (n=rhysrhav@66.102.98.194.ip.anet.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:46] which 2 days? [17:46] pragma_ gentoo:hype::obama:hope [17:46] like 5 days ago [17:46] you broke ubuntu and became a compgenius999 ? [17:46] and 3 days on slackware working fine [17:47] ubuntu broke on me [17:47] 05:41 < mingdao> I think we got a bunch of Ubuntu immigrants [17:47] I was right for once. [17:47] it decided to chmod eveyrthing to 000 [17:47] compgenius999: You've been using Slackware for 3 days now? [17:47] well 4 [17:47] i think [17:47] compgenius999: Earned that nick, eh? [17:47] have you slept yet? [17:47] yeah [17:47] lol [17:47] ubuntu does basically the same thing windows does, it insulates people from having to actually know what an operating system does under the hood [17:47] eviljames: Hasn't even come close to earning that nick. [17:47] KILL THE CAPS! [17:47] fire|bird: dude, your sarcasm detector is broken :P [17:47] eviljames: No, it worked, I spoke anyway. :P [17:48] pragma_: Were your parents related? You know, brother & sister or close cousins? [17:48] /ignore pragma_ [17:48] haha [17:48] hah, i finally got my wireless working fire|bird and haven't broke anything after installing upgrades and stuff [17:48] s/broke/broken/ [17:48] ircname : pragmatic chaos [17:48] fits [17:48] eviljames: a tree with no limbs? [17:48] goodboy leroy [17:49] i have no limbs [17:49] a tree with no limbs is a stick [17:49] Action: vastina cites straterra to compgenius999 [17:49] < straterra> I can leave a peice of glass and a hammer next to each other and not touch either one for days..and the glass remains intact [17:49] wubbster: How are you typing? [17:49] wubbster: is your name Bob or Matt? [17:49] firedix, special skills [17:49] briareus, both [17:49] briareus: combine the two, Batt [17:50] fire|bird: ya had to ask...:P [17:50] initself (n=initself@wsip-98-174-154-206.oc.oc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:50] wubbster: tab completion fail. ;) [17:50] let's hang you on a wall and call you Art [17:50] haha [17:50] MLanden: indeed. [17:50] MLanden: I'm waiting for data to transfer, did a fresh install today. [17:51] fire|bird: anything glitch? [17:51] i just found out about this cool linux distro, its called slackware, have any of you heard of it? [17:51] No. [17:51] MLanden: nope, went excellent, I switched filesystems though, so I couldn't keep /home [17:51] orly,wubbster? [17:51] This is the channel for the Slack clothing company. [17:51] If you're looking for Linux GTFO [17:51] lol [17:52] eviljames: play some meshuggah to scare of the noobs :P [17:52] fire|bird: sorry to hear [17:52] s/of/off/ [17:52] s/s/z/ [17:52] jemark (n=mark@ip-62-143-39-202.unitymediagroup.de) left irc: Client Quit [17:52] Nick change: firedix -> _firedix [17:52] MLanden: eh, I was planning to fresh install, so no harm, no foul. [17:52] deco: hilarious, I was listening to obZen atm! [17:52] _firedix: haha, thanks. :P [17:52] TOSS HIM IN FRONT OF A DOOR AND CALL HIM MATT! [17:52] eviljames: :P [17:52] <_firedix> fire|bird, :D [17:52] :D [17:52] lol [17:52] pragma_: Throw him in a hole and call him Phil! [17:52] lol [17:52] _firedix: are you related to fire|bird ? [17:53] I could make a joke of that, but I won't. [17:53] pragma_: Throw in him a pile of leaves and call him Russel. [17:53] fire|bird: firedick ? [17:53] Throw him in front of a bus and call him an ambulance! [17:53] fire|bird: lol :P [17:53] deco: No. :) [17:53] pragma_: that last one has slightly redeemed you. [17:53] as long as y'all don't put him in the street and call him Sue [17:53] <_firedix> deco, no, I'm from Argentina [17:53] Action: pragma_ slightly redeemed. [17:54] Don't get me wrong, I'm still of the mind that you are vomiting fecal matter onto your keyboard for the world to see [17:54] netwolker (n=netwolke@151.53.44.105) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:54] Oh, that reminds me, I'm hungry [17:54] straterra: since you like them so much, I got you one of the Chinese brand yesterday -> http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/Chinese-rat-01.JPG [17:55] pragma_: you can have it for b'fast after straterra checks it out [17:55] pragma_, eating is for the weak [17:55] wtf. [17:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylKmC4EiFWE hey check it out ZZ Top [17:55] eating is for fatbutts [17:55] but they're usually not that weak. [17:55] wubbster: not if it's vomitted fecal matter [17:55] fire|bird: which kernel are you using? [17:55] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: "lalala caindo fora!" [17:56] MLanden: well, with a fresh install now, 2.6.29.6 [17:56] mingdao: our pet ones are bigger :P [17:56] but before I was using 2.6.31 [17:56] mingdao, of course [17:56] hey if i copy the firmware ubuntu is using for my wireless card to my slackware would it work or not? [17:56] compgenius999: ask god [17:56] god r not exist [17:56] And then hold your breath for an answer. [17:56] compgenius999: What are you doing, you say you got wireless fixed, yet are asking about wireless? [17:56] i'm tryna get a better driver [17:56] compgenius999: God is more real than your genius label [17:57] the ndiswrapper one is constantly dieing [17:57] hahaha [17:57] fire|bird: meant to say,after installation..are you goin' to upgrade back to 2.6.31? [17:57] MLanden: probably. [17:57] 2.6.31 doesn't like my wireless card :( [17:57] im waiting for 2.6.32 [17:57] straterra: feed him, he'll grow [17:57] straterra: I should save one for your visit to the PRC [17:58] All your god r belong to eviljames [17:58] compgenius999: you _really_ should change that nick [17:58] hehe [17:58] vst (n=family@nas-pra-03.fregat.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] as alienBOB told someone else, you've become the object of ridicule [17:59] compgenius999: so why did you migrate here from ubuntu? i'm sure your genius will be more appreciated in their channels/forums [17:59] Ephedrax (n=ta_maman@AReims-156-1-114-55.w90-47.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:59] maybe comp is an abbreviation for something else [17:59] ubuntu fails [17:59] like compartment [17:59] its slow and keeps breaking for no reason [17:59] like you? [17:59] lol [17:59] compartmentgenius999 [17:59] Or Compass [17:59] yes [17:59] or compass [17:59] Maybe compgenius999 is REALLY good at operating compasses? [17:59] nope [18:00] never used one? [18:00] wtf [18:00] natural talent with compasses? [18:00] How can you call yourself a genius if you can't even use a compass? [18:00] so I updated my nvidia module and kernel via sbopkg, and now when I startx, it says the nvidia-kernel and nvidia-module are different versions [18:00] Action: vastina just wonders how old this ubuntu immigrant is [18:00] so x doesnt start [18:00] but I have the same version isntalled [18:00] compasses r hard, mm'kay? [18:00] eviljames: He uses tomtom, he likes the voice that speaks directions to him. [18:00] i only used ubuntu for 2 days vastina [18:00] lol [18:00] don't drive [18:01] lol [18:01] Nick change: deco -> compretard666 [18:01] like, how do you know which direction to face so that your compass is actually really pointing north? [18:01] hah, deco [18:01] compgenius999: hey brother! i always hated you for being the smart one in the family [18:01] compgenius999: so, again genius, why did you come to slackware? [18:01] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:01] because, i needed something that didnt keep breaking. [18:02] compgenius999: get a brick [18:02] or a chimpanzee [18:02] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] slackware hasnt broke on me yet [18:02] you haven't gotten root yet is only reason [18:02] lol [18:03] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@216.145.101.109) joined ##slackware. [18:03] compgenius999: and you're not breaking your reputation in her irc channels? [18:03] Cryp71c (n=Cryp71c@adsl-249-192-174.bna.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] Nick change: compretard666 -> deco [18:03] fire|bird: are you an nvidia user? [18:04] hey mingdao, i haz root. [18:04] don't play with your root in channel please [18:04] i aint [18:04] lol [18:04] why would you want root? root is dangerous. [18:04] Reticenti: were they built with same gcc versions,etc...? or maybe a bad slackbuild.. dinner bbiab,h and same klibc versions? i use the nvidia.com installer,myself. biab [18:05] h/oh [18:05] i'm smart enough not to run rm -rf / and kill everything [18:05] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [18:05] I still have my doubts. [18:05] Action: vastina wonders how many forums he parroted that from [18:05] Tell me something else you are smart enough not to do. [18:05] Rat409: I got them off of sbopkg, but the weird thing is that x says the version is sometihng it's not [18:06] X says the version of nvidia drivers is something that it isn't? [18:06] eviljames, any command with shred in unless i want to destroy a file? [18:06] eviljames: yes [18:06] Reticenti: Is it significantly different, or something like a minor version number? [18:06] eviljames: I have .36, and it says that it's .31 [18:07] In Xorg.0.log, you mean? [18:07] eviljames: and sbopkg confirms i have the .36 version [18:07] rasuaq (n=kvirc@199.6.29.254) joined ##slackware. [18:07] anyone know where i'm supposed to get the isl3887usb_bare firmware, google isn't giving me any good results for it [18:07] eviljames: when I startx, it says that they are different version numbers [18:08] wait, found the firmware :D [18:08] rasuaq (n=kvirc@199.6.29.254) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [18:08] Reticenti: what /var/log/nvidia-installer.log say? [18:09] Reticenti: what mingdao said, plus check the /var/log/packages/nvidia... for which files are installed, and compare with Xorg.0.log for what is being loaded. [18:09] ok, hold on [18:09] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [18:10] mingdao: /var/log/nvidia-installer does not exist [18:11] how did you install the nvidia driver? [18:11] and I don't think there was a .31 [18:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@host86-129-179-109.range86-129.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [18:11] mingdao: I installd via sbopkg [18:11] Reticenti: /var/log/nvidia-installer.log [18:11] wth? [18:12] I have no clue what a 3rd party package installer would do with the nVidia driver [18:12] that file does not exist mingdao [18:12] never saw a need to make a pkg out of it [18:12] mingdao: i installed via a slackbuild script [18:12] so if the install borks, where do you find a log? [18:13] Action: wubbster enjoys building slackware packages. [18:13] you should get instant log while you're building it :) [18:13] Nick change: curtisk -> Braintix [18:13] I think the only log you get with them is stdout [18:14] so use sbo and quit using your terminal ;) [18:14] huh? [18:15] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [18:16] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] Reticenti: nvidia-settings will popup a gui that tells your version [18:16] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [18:16] ok [18:17] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [18:17] mingdao: except I cant start X :| [18:18] did eviljames ask you to post /var/log/Xorg.0.log in pastebin? [18:18] Nope, I didn't. [18:18] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:18] i only have terminal access atm, so pastebin is a little hard :\ [18:18] I see ... you just asked him to check [18:18] like I said, I cant startx [18:19] alice_c (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:19] use #flood [18:19] What I was getting at is that installpkg keeps a log file in /var/log/packages/... which lists the files in a package [18:19] Compare the file in nvidia package to what is being loaded by Xorg [18:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:19] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Don't those drivers replace a significant portion of Mesa, or is that ATI? [18:20] They both do. [18:20] nvidia.... maybe ATI's drivers do the same too [18:20] yes [18:20] nvidia is worse. [18:20] or better ;) [18:21] I don't know about better... but it works great [18:21] so i checked /var/log/packages, and both the nvidia packages are the same version [18:21] nvidia-driver-185.18.36-x86-1_SBo [18:22] nvidia-kernel-185.18.36_2.6.29.6_smp-x86-1_SBo [18:22] those are what I'm using [18:22] Reticenti: are you using 32-bit or 64-bit slackware [18:22] 32bit [18:22] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-428765.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:23] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [18:23] what do you need to see/ [18:24] ? [18:25] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:27] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [18:27] so if I change my driver from "nvidia" to "nv" in xorg.conf, I can startx, but then I'm using nv, which is abd [18:27] s/abd/bad [18:27] Reticenti: why is it bad ? [18:28] archiebe1edict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:28] Reticenti: you lack hardware acceleration with nv [18:28] Reticenti: Have you tried skipping sbopkg altogether, and just running the nvidia installer as it was intended? [18:29] archiebe1edict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:29] eviljames: I don't know how that would be beneficial? [18:30] you would have a working X [18:30] Well, first off: it will replace the files that are being pulled up by Xorg.0.log with the correct ones. [18:30] that's pretty beneficial IMO [18:30] mingdao: I have a pic of one of my rats.. [18:30] can I see? [18:30] let me upload em [18:30] k [18:31] straterra: you keep a pet rat? [18:31] A few [18:31] cool.. I want to do that with a skunk [18:31] have it de-stankified [18:31] but apparently they are stupid, mostly blind unaffectionate scavengers [18:31] <3 [18:31] Reticenti: wget http://cn.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run [18:32] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@ip68-102-118-52.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [18:32] then as root "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run" and follow the bouncing ball [18:32] skunks are purdy ;) [18:32] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:32] but still in the cat family [18:32] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [18:33] Reticenti: you can use "wget http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/185.18.36/NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run" for maybe better speed [18:33] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl5-181-38.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:33] although the drivers from China are tweaked ;) [18:35] jasperhax0r (n=root@officegateway.ethostream.com) left irc: "if y=yes and n=yes then your sir are a rapist" [18:35] china doesn't actually exist [18:35] _firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-137-1.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:36] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:36] thanks mingdao [18:36] wubbster: totally. China was made up by the Dutch propaganda machine to scare people. [18:36] Inside Job! [18:36] yep [18:36] Reticenti: you need to load build the nvidia driver in whatever kernel you want it to use if you upgraded kernel but built driver before rebooting into newest kernel,it'll error usually,imo experience anyways [18:37] scratch the load,meant build in kernel version you want to use [18:37] Rat409: so if I'm using the default slack smp kernel... [18:37] thought you said you upgraded kernel? [18:37] just install the driver and it will build itself for the kernel you're running [18:37] geez [18:38] mingdao: http://twitpic.com/jnfmg [18:38] yuh its painless nvidia installer [18:38] mingdao: http://twitpic.com/jnfnp [18:38] mingdao: http://twitpic.com/jnfp5 [18:38] if you run another kernel, the issue "sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-185.18.36-pkg1.run -K" and it will build just a kernel module for the new kernel [18:38] three pics of two of our favorites :) [18:38] you still get to use the driver in the other kernel, also [18:38] tkx [18:39] yup [18:39] bbiab [18:39] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:39] the Commies block twitpic ... socks proxy ftw [18:40] Do they block fart jokes [18:40] ? [18:40] finding a proxy server is the tricky part [18:40] john_dee (n=id@89.179.30.3) left irc: "link closed" [18:40] no fart joke blocks so far [18:41] lol [18:41] not a threat to national security ... they poop in the street and on the sidewalk [18:41] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] theres still time [18:41] Skywise: I have a socks proxy in Amurika [18:41] straterra: what is the thing attached to Clyde's cage? [18:41] http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8279176.stm [18:41] there is no more time [18:42] a small plastic shot glass we put there for em to play with [18:42] I just got two more [18:42] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@68.102.118.52) joined ##slackware. [18:42] oh i thought they weren't doing the green wall or whatever [18:42] 60th anniversary coming up ... every evening at dinner we hear big booms around here [18:43] mingdao, http://twitpic.com/jnggv [18:43] they got YouTube blocked so good we can watch MayBerry R.F.D. :-( [18:43] mingdao: http://twitpic.com/jngg1 [18:43] Clyde is trying to come see the rat whose pic I posted for you. [18:44] Tell Clyde he drowned about 3 minutes after his portrait. [18:44] lol [18:44] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:44] We have..shit..let me count [18:44] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [18:44] 13 of em lol [18:44] i had hamsters when i was a kid. they cannibalized each other one night [18:44] are their eyes red, or is that your photography? [18:44] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-233-113.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:44] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:44] mingdao: the one is albino.. [18:44] So..his eyes are kinda red [18:44] Clyde's aren't though? [18:44] nah [18:45] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Prolly just the standard flash-red eye stuff [18:45] mingdao, that link you gave me worked [18:45] thanks [18:45] i'm now using compiz and the nvidia module [18:45] We had two boys..Jose and Captain. Captain got mites and died. We got Jose a female friend..Lemons [18:45] Lemons and Jose had babies..and 2 died [18:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:46] So, we have 13 now [18:46] Reticenti: good on yah! [18:47] mingdao: the only thing is that it messed up my compiz settings, so I have to go fix that now.. :\ [18:47] Reticenti: not need to build a pkg for nVidia, you can just install as I wrote you ... sometimes need to log out of X and log back in though [18:47] mingdao: those two are the most affectionate..they will sit and chill and watch TV with you.. [18:47] Action: mingdao doesn't use KDE [18:47] y0 Reticenti [18:47] straterra: do they ever get into trouble? do bad things? [18:47] Not very often [18:47] like poop on your hand? hide under the couch? [18:48] they..have gay sex quite a bit lol [18:48] but they share a cage [18:48] well ... [18:48] you should get them some female rats [18:48] phoenix^: hi [18:48] or keep them away from missyjane ;) [18:48] she's a bad influence [18:48] hahahaha [18:49] kiyoura_ (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] she got her freenode account frozen now, afaik [18:49] mingdao: well..if we get them female rats..we'll have a shit load. We got 11 more just from one litter [18:49] sell ... make a profit dude! [18:49] GF won't let me.. [18:49] she doesnt like the idea of them being eaten lol [18:49] phoenix^: word up she got k-lined [18:50] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] mingdao: \o/ :) [18:50] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] kiyoura_ (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [18:50] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [18:50] time to feed the chickens [18:50] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] phoenix^: what she do ? [18:51] hahahah that reminds me of Ernie Anastos [18:51] willca (n=willca@67.171.42.234) joined ##slackware. [18:51] deco: no idea [18:51] phoenix^: .... [18:51] ..... [18:51] ..... [18:51] waitasec, missyjane was k-lined? [18:52] yeah [18:52] does anyone know where i can find pyxdg source or slackbuild? freedesktop.org is down :o [18:52] baaahahahahahahha to me that is hilarious. [18:53] So nobody knows why? [18:53] python.org? [18:53] Someone does [18:53] nobody here anyway, that I know of. [18:53] I know why [18:53] maintenance? [18:53] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@68.102.118.52) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:53] s/nobody here anyway that I know of/somebody here does/ [18:53] (s)he participated in the running of the mouths [18:53] hahaha [18:53] Rat409, it isn't there :o [18:53] that's for sure straterra [18:54] Anyone here able to get photo album creation working on Facebook? I fill out the details and it appears to be starting a java app or something and just locks up in firefox/konqourer [18:55] running slack12.2 w/ firefox 3.0.13 btw [18:55] hah wow.. It just finally worked after failing about 10 times [18:55] :o [18:55] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:55] wubbster: guess freedesktop.org is it [18:55] :( [18:56] noone has the source? [18:56] oh wait do a debian package search on right side will be orig tarball and a diff [18:57] you should check version tho. other than that,no idea [18:58] ty :D [18:58] wubbster: Wouldn't ftp.slackware.com have it? [18:59] wubbster: http://ftp.debian.org/pool/main/p/pyxdg/ [18:59] yay :D [18:59] Google is your freend, too ;) [19:00] i searched with google :o [19:00] wubbster: are you looking for a specific version? [19:00] 0.17 [19:00] I have Google foo! [19:01] :D [19:01] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:01] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [19:02] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:03] hmmm, anyone built k9copy v2? [19:03] k9copy-2.3.2 ? [19:03] lol, /usr/doc/Linux-HOWTOs/Coffee [19:04] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) joined ##slackware. [19:04] yeah, mingdao [19:04] alienBOB has it on his mirror [19:04] getting a complaint about xine.h [19:05] oh, blah... nevermind, it's mpeg2 it's complaining about [19:05] libmpeg2 is a requirement [19:06] see if this dvd loads ok bbl [19:06] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:06] thanks for sharing that with us Rat409 [19:09] you should be on 3.0.14 [19:09] what's avformat? [19:10] ah, ffmpeg [19:10] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Connection reset by peer [19:11] macavity (n=macavity@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "leaving" [19:11] don't forget dvdauthor also [19:11] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) joined ##slackware. [19:12] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [19:12] already got that :) [19:12] gotta do ffmpeg, that's all (i hope) [19:13] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [19:13] you're on Slack 13? [19:14] yep [19:14] ffmpeg, libmpeg2, and dvdauthor for 13.0 [19:14] 12.2 substitute MPlayer instead of libmpeg2 [19:15] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@81.57.177.108) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [19:15] _bruno (n=bruno@siw2.rc.unesp.br) left irc: [19:16] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:16] they're are other requirements which you probably already have in Slackware [19:17] seba323 (n=sebastia@ppp-88-217-25-45.dynamic.mnet-online.de) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [19:18] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:20] yeah, gonna get everything for ffmpeg before i start [19:20] heya Necos [19:21] Nick change: phoenix^ -> fire|bird [19:22] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.95.226.226) left irc: Read error: 148 (No route to host) [19:24] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [19:25] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [19:29] Whitor (n=mcneany@cpe-74-76-185-31.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] eelriver (n=eelriver@c-24-130-112-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] murdoc-is-god (n=murdoc-i@c-24-63-201-220.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:30] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:31] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-244-25-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:31] gnubien (n=e@132.242.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@89.214.189.36) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:33] bellows2 (n=catha66@cpe-24-165-165-229.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] you come back from the ashes fire|bird ? [19:35] haha, yup. I do every time. :P [19:36] kiyoura_ (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:36] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.36.64) joined ##slackware. [19:37] mingdao: I'm just getting things set back up from a clean install of 13. [19:37] fire|bird: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.3.69/src/ is waiting ;) [19:37] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] thrice`: HOLY..... When did that happen? [19:37] I think yesterday [19:37] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:37] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:38] wow [19:38] thrice`: I just did a clean install skipping kde beings I've been using xfce so much, plus, I've been using vbatts packages anyway. I guess I got some building to do now. [19:38] kiyoura_ (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [19:38] ... [19:38] .... [19:39] good luck,fire|bird [19:39] Thanks MLanden [19:39] kiyoura (n=kiyoura@pool-173-79-85-138.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] thrice`: from what Lord_Khelben had said, 4.3.68 was quite an improvement, I'm sure 4.3.69 is even better. [19:40] buildin' 2.6.31 now...with a bit of patchin' to intel might improve things a bit [19:40] Keeping up with kde is no easy task when you're keeping up with it's svn version. :P [19:40] Action: Necos pokes fire|bird [19:40] MLanden: cool, good luck. :) [19:40] heya Necos [19:40] oh hell, who am i kidding? [19:40] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [19:40] thanks,fire|bird [19:40] haha [19:40] much better! [19:40] Action: fire|bird kicks Necos [19:41] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [19:41] hi [19:41] XD [19:41] thrice`: Having not installed kde this time, a full install was 3.8G :P [19:41] hmmm, since when did time warner have 100k upload? [19:41] I think my install comes in around 2.2G ;) [19:42] :O, what do you eliminate? [19:42] I exclude a few more items, however [19:42] 420M /home/ftp/slackware64-current/slackware64/ [19:42] fire|bird: calculate linux all worked,unlike the gentoo 10,just had to edit xorg.conf to use vesa,it wanted nvidia. pretty slick. [19:42] Rat409: nice [19:42] its a gentoo variant [19:43] Rat409: how small an iso? [19:43] 1.7gb dvd [19:43] theres cld=kde4 cldx=xfce4 [19:43] info,links @distrowatch [19:44] cool [19:44] yuh not bad at all [19:45] bootup you can set lang,keynap,timezone,etc very slick [19:45] what's a gento derivitive? [19:45] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:45] a distro derived from gentoo [19:45] named what? [19:45] fire|bird: I leave off a quite a few: http://pastebin.ca/1585127 [19:45] Quiznos: look above, Rat409 already said. :P [19:45] i did, i dont see a name [19:46] Quiznos: Calculate Linux Desktop,from russia with love lol,very multilingual [19:46] thrice`: wow, I guess. [19:46] `Calculate' is the name? [19:46] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [19:46] intersting [19:46] yes [19:46] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-244-25-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:46] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:46] next time use some punctuation :) [19:47] like quots [19:47] thrice`: I'm sure if I took the time, there's alot I could eliminate, I just haven't. [19:47] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-244-25-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [19:47] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:47] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:47] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] fire|bird: it took me awhile to do; just kept gradually adding it over time. I just keep the list in /usr/local/etc/exclude.conf , and then rsync the slackware tree against it (--exclude-from /usr/local/etc/exclude.conf) [19:48] i luv fresh ground pepper; it always leaves a lingering bite [19:48] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:48] and whenever I install, I just point the installer (on a usb-key) against my local tree [19:48] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) joined ##slackware. [19:48] thrice`: Cool, that's a neat idea. [19:49] damn thrice` [19:49] that's a nice list! [19:49] lol [19:49] haha [19:49] I don't use bluetooth, or do any printing, or need many server tools, so those are the main candidates I guess [19:50] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:50] well, since i have to print, but use very little server tools, this is a good reference [19:50] thrice` that paste is what you install normally? [19:51] those are items I exclude [19:51] o [19:51] pkgs might need flex [19:52] flexx is pretty rare tho [19:52] *flex [19:52] not really; i can imagine some novel uses for it [19:52] that's what i get for trying to hit ctrl-a-c in screen [19:52] lol [19:52] quick parsing of text files [19:53] missed c and hit x instead >.> [19:53] ffs [19:53] i'm saying it as a requirement for other packages is pretty rare [19:53] no hand-eye coordination either? [19:54] Necos yea, it's a shame [19:54] no it's not :( [19:54] sure it is [19:54] waabimiigwan (n=steven@66.165.210.174) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:55] that list has alot of console tools named; are you making your own M# winders desktop? [19:56] I didn't post it for your dumbass comments Quiznos [19:56] pff [19:56] adamk (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [19:57] hmm hit a nerve, i wonder why [19:57] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [19:57] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) joined ##slackware. [19:57] Quiznos, dont worry about thrice`.. pretend of him like a redneck step child [19:57] who bangs your mother [19:57] pff [19:57] (your being jeev only) [19:57] jeev nah; he's got probs, hence the nerve throbbing [19:57] fat chicks need love too jeev [19:57] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.202) joined ##slackware. [19:58] you didn't hit a nerve; you just rarely say anything useful, so I was mentioning that I probably wont' respond to your troll-ish remarks [19:59] he's pretty sick with sed though [20:00] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [20:01] jeev... how did you keep your same pin? :P [20:01] reckon kde4 will run on 400mb of ram? [20:01] pizdets (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-103-200.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] let's all be nice to each other, now. [20:01] this is a family channel. [20:01] like molassas in winter [20:01] thrice` that you didnt see a developing conversation is your own fault and lackage. [20:01] and we are a happy family. [20:01] Given the typical dysfunction in today's family, I'd say this really is a family channel. [20:02] why can't we be friends do do do [20:02] Quiznos, stop feeding the flames >.> [20:02] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) left irc: "cd ~/" [20:02] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-103-200.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:02] yesyes: there are ways of gettin' KDE4 to run on 450-500mhz.but it's really cuttin' thin on resources [20:03] That's really not leaving much for kde4 [20:03] linux on the desktop was lost when we moved away from twm in my opinion. [20:03] my laptop worked fine on that. [20:03] linux was lost when we moved from dx2 [20:03] xfce4 [20:03] fvwm is the best desktop ever! [20:04] i liked fvwm2 [20:04] xfce4 > * [20:04] all those hours spent editing the config file [20:04] wow, twm...? that shit was wack [20:04] yeah, fvwm2 is what i am refering too, [20:04] while the other kids were out having sex and getting drunk [20:04] happy days [20:04] Necos: ++ [20:04] happy days [20:04] linux is going in the direction it needs to go [20:04] mono! [20:05] Necos: That you and I will have to disagree on. [20:05] lol,yesyes [20:05] Action: yesyes chuckles to himself [20:05] what's so good about twm? [20:05] Alan_Hicks, do tell :) [20:05] it's finally being taken seriously in the device world... i find that to be a boon [20:05] Necos: I feel like a lot of decisions being made, especially those related to the desktop, are being made wrongly. [20:06] wubbster: it was old school. and we all know old school==hip and trendy. [20:06] Particularly in regards to things like HAL, PolicyKit, etc. This whole abstracting the hardware is for Windows and Apple to do, not Linux. [20:06] it was also a nice relaxing blue colour if i recall correctly [20:06] I think it will make things much harder to do overall. [20:06] ... [20:07] sent you an email [20:07] the problem with those things NOT being there is that too many people bitched over the merits of doing things one way vs another [20:07] err, wrong window *slaps himself* [20:07] linux on the desktop is a euphemism like 'war on terror' [20:07] Action: fire|bird slaps xsamurai [20:07] Action: xsamurai spanks fire|bird ever so softly [20:07] that dirty an email,fire|bird?...:P [20:07] Necos: Let 'em bitch. [20:08] MLanden: hahaha [20:08] Alan_Hicks: ++ [20:08] X_X [20:08] MLanden: I'm not at liberty to say? :P [20:08] Alan_Hicks, it's like a bunch of computer scientists sitting in the room arguing the merits of btrees vs other data structs... intellectually, it's a grand convo... unfortunately, nothing ever comes of it [20:08] fire|bird: lol [20:09] Necos: im sorry but you are seriously mistaken [20:09] its a bunch of chimps dressed in scientist clothing [20:09] Necos: Well, let me ask you this question. Exactly what problem does all this hardware abstraction solve? [20:10] MLanden: Ah, fresh slack install, 4 updates waiting. That's a TON better than Fedoras 425 the other day. Slackware ftw!!! :P [20:10] If you can't edit /etc/fstab to mount your USB flash drive, you are too dumb to use Linux. Least that's my opinion. [20:10] providing a unified API, would be my guess [20:10] \o/..hear ya,fire|bird [20:11] to be fair to all the hal and dbus bullshit, it has brought new users to linux, and those new users have bitched that their desktop hardware doesn't work, and so more manufacturers have been forced to support linux. [20:11] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.53) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:11] Alan_Hicks, except when i have to type "mount /dev/blah /mnt/blah" when a student comes in and there's a line of 20 kids waiting... [20:11] it's not exactly practical [20:11] Necos: No. The "problem" is users not being able to figure out how to mount things like USB drives and CD-ROMs. [20:11] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.53) joined ##slackware. [20:11] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Necos: forcing one person or "new users" situation on a os is not practical [20:12] Necos: Those kids should learn to do it themselves, or you should learn how to write a friggin' shell script. [20:12] MLanden: and Slack will probably be going back on the laptop, I'm not sure, I just love slackware, sabayon's really nice, but...... One thing though, I NEED to get xbmc on slack, I love it. :P [20:12] if you cant mount something dont use linux [20:12] true,Alan_Hicks....things like USB anything [20:12] student computers aren't linux :P [20:13] See... really... I don't mind if some one like say Ubuntu or Fedora makes their distro all newb friendly and stuff; that's fine. But! [20:13] Action: linuxexpert good morning ##slackware and Have a nice day [20:13] But all these things they are doing to make it that way are not POSIX, are directly contrary to the UNIX way of doing things, and are starting to become requirements for even core things like X. [20:13] but things like dbus and hal (as per my earlier statement) are good for providing a unified method of accessing things in linux [20:14] fire|bird: Gave sabayon a spin on your laptop? [20:14] Necos: That unified method is mount(8). [20:14] e.g., projects like barry (in that case, it's udev, but...) [20:14] MLanden: yeah, it's an excellent, well put together distro, but, it's no slack, ya know what I mean? :P [20:15] fire|bird: yup [20:15] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Nick collision from services. [20:15] a linux educated man said that linux udevfs should be more dynamic than in current :P [20:15] MLanden: I know there's an xbmc on the SBo mailing list, but I am unable to get it, it just gives me a .bin file. :P [20:15] hehe [20:15] xbmc slackbuild* [20:16] sabayon's moto "as easy as an abacus, as fast as a segway" [20:16] but anyway, i'm not really feeling the whole policykit thing... but i do like the idea of hal+udev for making things a little faster for the newbies [20:16] fire|bird: dunno [20:16] dunno, i can't always be bothered to look at dmesg to see what name linux has given my usb stick, and then sudo to root. there's nothing much wrong with a method to automate that, it just depends if the method is fairly sensible, or put another way, fits with the unix philosophy. [20:16] that doesnt sound to appealing [20:17] yesyes: we dont sudo nada [20:17] sudo is bullshit :P [20:17] you get my meaning, boys and girls. [20:17] i dont find that too cumbersome to mount my usb and if there are issues to check dmesg [20:17] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) left irc: No route to host [20:18] for things like X, HAL is great... especially with hardware vendors rebranding shit [20:18] yesyes: girls, as in the plural form of girl, as in, there's more than one here right now? :P [20:18] they're scared of you, that's why they're not saying. [20:18] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:18] yesyes: eh, I don't blame em. :P [20:19] fire|bird: the bin files are not come with a signature so anyone can modify it and inject a torjan , According to the my experience I do not recommand to use bin files [20:19] brb [20:20] i wonder how many libs xbmc depends on... [20:20] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.59.131) joined ##slackware. [20:20] http://playhappy.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/octomom-costume.jpg check it out, now you can dress up as octomom for halloween [20:20] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [20:20] do a ldd fire|bird! [20:21] hahahahhaa, o Pig_Pen thats comedy [20:21] she is ugly and very fat [20:21] wth's a torjan?....any kin to a toejam? [20:21] torjan is an iranian singer [20:21] ah oh yes [20:22] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) left irc: "leaving" [20:23] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] lol, s/torjan/trojan/ [20:23] actually as xbmc is cross platform, it may be okay dependency wise. [20:24] yesyes: Well, I know it can be built on slackware, someone's done it, I just haven't been able to get the slackbuild. :P [20:24] lag bleh [20:24] lag ftl! [20:24] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl5-168-94.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:27] hmmmm [20:28] uhmm, xbmc installer comes with a script that fetches and compiles all of the required libs [20:28] so be prepared for a day of compiling [20:29] I'm already used to that from building kde a few times. :P [20:29] lol,fire|bird [20:29] kde only took a couple of hours for me :P [20:29] Necos: 5-6 here [20:30] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [20:30] xbmc is really nice though [20:30] Linux tessai 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 00:52:54 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [20:30] nothing special >.> [20:30] Linux slackware 2.6.29.6-smp #2 SMP Mon Aug 17 00:52:54 CDT 2009 i686 Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [20:30] lol that makes a difference :) [20:30] Uh yeah. :P [20:31] I would say so. :P [20:31] and you do :P [20:31] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [20:31] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird back [20:31] <3 [20:31] All your knives are belong to me. :D [20:31] you can't catch 'em all [20:31] :) [20:32] gotta catch em all gotta catch em all [20:32] now you know what's sad... [20:32] what? [20:32] [tessai@tessai:~ #]> killall -9 firebird-bin [20:32] firebird-bin: no process killed [20:32] :) [20:32] hahahaha [20:33] Necos: no process killed [20:33] dang [20:33] fire|bird: re: xbmc ---> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?p=3673752#post3673752 [20:33] xbmc is nice. i used it for awhile on my htpc, but then i moved to plex. i found it to be a nice cross between xbmc and boxee, with everything i wanted [20:33] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) joined ##slackware. [20:33] neonflux: thanks [20:34] fire|bird: your welcome [20:35] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.36.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:36] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [20:37] hey fire|bird... [20:38] remember the SS you had up the other day of your kde box? [20:38] that was showing your leeching ways :P [20:38] hahahaha [20:39] linuxexpert (n=chatzill@124.43.59.131) joined ##slackware. [20:39] Hmm, that couldn't have been mine. :P [20:39] was curious about your conkyrc :P [20:40] Well I did a fresh install today, and lost that config. I got it from a forum that Rat409 posted here not long ago. :P [20:40] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] I didn't mean to lose that one, but I did. :/ [20:41] which does me absolutely no good... 'cause i missed it :P [20:41] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: [20:41] and Rat409 just left a bit ago. :P [20:42] this is why you don't deserve to live :) [20:42] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird [20:42] lol [20:42] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:43] You don't deserve to own knives. :P [20:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:44] oh yes i do :) [20:44] keep things in check around here lol [20:44] lol [20:44] hmm [20:45] this HP box almost locks up 75% of the time when running lilo. [20:47] that's like a near hit >.> [20:49] har (n=harley@c-24-7-230-136.hsd1.in.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:49] lemme guess. slack 13.0 [20:49] heh. Fired up KDE 4 for the first time ever, one of the people who lives here was watching and went "Oh, I didn't know your Sony laptop was a Mac" [20:50] Urchlay, pff.. sony [20:50] oscurochu (n=jason@166-68.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:50] Urchlay: sony anything sucks [20:50] how old is it Urchlay ? [20:50] How much disk space does slackware+gnome typically use? [20:50] here comes the anti-sony crowd [20:50] oscurochu: slackware doesn't come with gnome [20:50] heh [20:51] has anyone seen lilo lock up a system whlie trying to read the boot sector ? [20:51] ananke: so you're telling me im unable to use gnome? [20:51] jeev: 2002 [20:51] oscurochu: gnome from third party sources [20:51] oscurochu, there are ways to install gnome pretty easily [20:51] but out of desperation i ended up purchasing sony laptop cuz lenovo customer service sucks butt, after years of carrying the anti sony laptop , i was shocked with this laptop "sony z540 pretty sick" [20:51] ahh Urchlay. [20:51] oscurochu: no. if i were telling you that, i would have phrased it that way [20:51] lenovo sucks, best == dell baby! [20:51] xsamurai: actually this sony vaio has held up pretty well over the years [20:52] dell hahahaha [20:52] lol [20:52] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [20:52] dude you should run into a wall several times [20:52] ananke: you say it as if i can only have kde because thats what slack comes with. i hate kde. [20:52] dell my god [20:52] dell is your god? [20:52] worst customer service ever [20:52] oscurochu: again, i didn't say that. [20:52] pretty pathetic god [20:52] latitude > * [20:52] then stop axing them for help [20:52] mingdao: he gives vista copies with each prayer [20:53] xsamurai, only annoying part is when you tell them you did something and they make you do it again, other than that.. i've never had to even call them [20:53] actually, lenovo is great if you're a corporate customer [20:53] well anyway, what window managers does slackware have binaries for? [20:53] i've travel alot and dells dont last [20:53] Necos: same thing for dell [20:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [20:53] several [20:53] i prefer lenovo [20:53] i have like 4 lenovo's now [20:53] ananke, indeed [20:53] i hate them equally, although tyey're fast [20:54] oscurochu: I like windowmaker, but then I hate "desktop" computing... [20:54] i think they're shite compared to dell latitude's [20:54] LAUSD has contracts for all of 'em... arey jones is makinga pretty penny [20:54] no laptop keyboard can compare to lenovo's keyboard [20:54] yea right xsamurai, i dunno but mine has the stupid function button on the left [20:54] so itp isses me off [20:54] oscurochu: for gnome read the Slackware RELEASE_NOTES [20:55] it's like asking a bunch of middle school kids for their opinions on laptops [20:55] lol [20:55] xp on my Vaio killed itself. [20:55] oscurochu: Pat put a bunch of docs in Slackware so you don't have to ask so much. [20:55] Any of you ever use freeswitch? [20:55] ananke: in that case my response would be "dell sucks nut yo" [20:55] not yet [20:55] nothing of substance, besides 'it's poo! iz awesome!' [20:56] Quiznos: it commited suicide? [20:56] MLanden yep; rm'd a essential boot file [20:56] Quiznos: ouch [20:56] i hate at TacoBell yesterday; i'm greatly disappointed. it's disgusting. [20:56] mingdao: did he remember to make a search function? [20:56] straterra, i do [20:57] the chefs need to be flogged [20:57] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [20:57] Quiznos: taco bell chefs? that's an oxymoron [20:57] Quiznos: eat yourself, the secret sauce is ok but overall not bad [20:57] no real mexican cooks that way. [20:57] Here, Taco Bell is authentic Mexican [20:57] Nothing but Mexicans work there [20:57] Taco bell is not really mexican food [20:57] i know - thank god [20:58] it's too soupy and too salty [20:58] every fast food place is too salty [20:58] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:58] i dont think thats the case [20:58] i think you just pissed who ever was working there [20:58] it's my opinion [20:58] and they pissed in your food [20:58] that's like saying panda express is authentic chinese... [20:58] not at all; polite as always [20:58] hence its soupy and salty [20:58] or california rolls authentic sushi >.> [20:59] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [20:59] that shit pisses me off... dumbass girl told me she liked sushi... i asked what, and she told me she liked california rolls... [20:59] oh that reminds me; i wanna try my hand at making "authoentic" japanese pickled ginger slices [20:59] heh [20:59] a neighbor invited me over last week for sushis [20:59] Necos: scorch her with wasabi...:D [21:00] shushi [21:00] Quiznos: you need to be a samurai level and you my friend have no sword nor certificate of samurainess [21:00] for any fvwm users,devel version 2.5.28 is out [21:00] s/a/at/ [21:00] xsamurai i can pretend :) [21:00] >.> [21:00] haha [21:00] Quiznos: del taco is not that bad [21:00] lol [21:00] well i'm done with em [21:00] best sushi i had was in seattle, if you are close by the area try umi sakes [21:00] say on 13, in lilo.conf append and boot say this: append=" vt.default_utf8=0" boot = /dev/root NOW if I'm going to compile my own kernel shouldn't append read, append="root=/dev/sda2" boot = /dev/sda? [21:00] i'm in fla. atm [21:00] Rat409: Do you recall the site you had posted here not long ago of a slackware conky config? [21:01] linuxexpert_ (n=chatzill@124.43.59.131) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:01] fire|bird, yay, you remembered [21:01] last night's coffee is still good for 3rd shift [21:01] Quiznos: seriously, after you reach age 25, eating at taco bell is simply yet another 'quality of life' decision [21:01] fire|bird: indeed 1 sec [21:01] troo [21:01] Rat409: awesome, thanks. [21:01] ananke it was a test that TB failed. [21:01] Necos: :) [21:01] 25....*crys remembering the good old days* [21:01] ananke Wendy's chili is better by far [21:02] ananke, damn, i'm 29... >.<; [21:02] and their hot sauce does the trick [21:02] solve the problem the right way: cook your own stuff [21:02] 21 here and loving it :P [21:02] i do [21:02] Action: Necos stabs deco twice [21:02] oscurochu (n=jason@166-68.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [21:02] deco: die ! [21:02] Action: ananke made some awesome chipotle chili this weekend [21:02] you get one meant for fire|bird [21:02] 2.half here and not changing. [21:02] i'm a pain in the ass for daLord :) [21:02] xsamurai: lol :P [21:03] Necos: don't hate :P [21:03] fire|bird: http://sqdnguns.deviantart.com/art/Slackware-Conky-104492049 [21:03] lol [21:03] oh i went out yesterday to inflate my bike tires; someone standing inline next to me assaulted my bike "tryin to help" when I didnt axe for any help [21:03] jescis (n=Administ@adsl-93-66-190.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] then he went verbal-ballistic on me and I said "fine, i'll be an asshole for the lord" [21:04] lol; i couldnt understand why he got mad [21:04] i told him to put the bike down; he got mad [21:04] Rat409: excellent, thank you. I lost it in my fresh install today, and Necos was asking about it just after you left earlier. :) [21:04] Quiznos: you must look helpless :P [21:04] no, i wasnt [21:04] Quiznos: he grabbed your bike ? [21:04] the valve was in the right place to inflate [21:04] yep [21:04] Quiznos: oh that's bad [21:05] nods yep [21:05] fire|bird: sure,n.p. :) [21:05] What do you all think about this? http://nashville.craigslist.org/sad/1357947341.html [21:05] then he started bragging about being involved with Vietnam; i didnt respond to that [21:05] hahaha [21:05] he filled air in bike tires in nam ? [21:05] jescis: looks interesting [21:05] i duno [21:06] Not for me, or could I do it? [21:06] lol [21:06] looks pretty simple [21:06] just because I use linux that doesn't mean I could admin, right or wrong? [21:07] jr admin level [21:07] with experience, it can [21:07] jescis: right , not all users/programmers are admins [21:07] specially when programmers think they're admins and do stupid things to get slapped [21:08] Action: jescis is at least trying to find something :\ [21:08] jescis: but with time you can do it, it looks like jr admin stuff, i would go for it [21:08] jescis: how much work experience do you have? [21:08] definitely can't hurt to try [21:08] ananke: very little. I can't get a ground to stand on >.< [21:09] jescis: ohh, hold on. you simply use linux? forget about it. you won't even get to the interview [21:09] lol [21:09] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) joined ##slackware. [21:09] eh, it was a thought -_- [21:09] jescis: i'd say go for it, luck and chance , as in you might get lucky and get the job and it might be your chance to get some ground [21:09] jescis keep trying!!! [21:09] if you had less than 5 years, i'd say go apply, just for the experience of applying and being interviewed [you still wouldn't get it] [21:09] how are your bullshiting skills ? [21:10] jescis are you in univ? [21:10] s/bullshiting/ bull shitting/ [21:10] Quiznos: no [21:10] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: "leaving" [21:10] can you be? [21:11] jescis is old enough to be your dad ;) [21:11] jescis lol, really? [21:11] jescis: the worse that can happen is you dont get it , so what, at least you tried , you can add the interview to experience interms of taking interviews and what you need to add to your job skill set [21:11] Quiznos: http://slackwarebox.dyndns.org:88/slackware/huangmenji-01.jpg [21:11] waht's that? [21:11] porn [21:11] i got my first admin gig not noing nada [21:11] oh the spicy dinner from last night? [21:11] by all means, the more interviews you do, the better you'll get [21:11] nude pic of mingdao [21:11] Action: xsamurai clicks at lightning speed [21:11] no that's his last dinner [21:11] lunch [21:12] /noing/knowing/ [21:12] or lunch [21:12] superGear: sshhhh [21:12] mingdao how was it? [21:12] yum [21:12] vkool [21:12] ah, that's great :) thanks Rat409 [21:12] clean your clock? [21:12] -l [21:12] yup [21:12] lol kool [21:12] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:12] and then oysters with wasabi for dinner [21:12] bbiab [21:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:12] wow kool [21:13] Necos: you may want to disable the changelog part [21:13] mingdao how long it take for the tabasco to disabuse you? [21:13] already modified it to my liking :) [21:14] if it's close or... ummm...has unix/linux classes that don't require bullshit before taking it, like a class on Microsoft Office >.< [21:14] sweet [21:14] seconds only Quiznos ;) [21:14] no, really [21:14] oh, not tabasco [21:14] jescis: just start applying. [21:14] import --window root ss.jpg <---- what am i missing here? lol [21:14] alright ladies im out [21:14] gn [21:14] ladies? [21:15] only lady here is Quiznos [21:15] Necos: import -w root -quality 100 [21:15] it was a bad joke [21:15] and she's mine! [21:15] lol [21:15] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:15] ananke: I'll e-mail, when I can get my info good and tight. :) [21:15] i'm no lesbiab [21:15] i'm no lesbian [21:15] mingdao how long? [21:15] we know, you like the p [21:15] some places might be flexible on your qualifications, if they can pay you less ;) [21:16] wow... [21:16] apparently, one of my coworkers was using my computer [21:16] how do you know? [21:16] looking at porn [21:16] http://www.cinematical.com/2009/05/29/megan-fox-disses-wonder-woman-wont-play-her/ <--- this was in one of my FF tabs [21:16] thrice`: anyone give me $20 a day and I'll be happy :) [21:16] Quiznos: it's not tabasco ... wasabi has horseradish ... huang men ji has Chinese peppers ... seconds for both [21:17] $20 a day? [21:17] mingdao ok, you forgot- to stop smoking you said you used tabasco [21:17] you live with your parents still? [21:17] not me [21:17] no smoking here [21:17] damn [21:17] kk [21:17] musta been another Slacker [21:17] nods [21:17] superGear: no, I'm on my own in a section-8 appartment -_- [21:17] hehehe [21:17] sec-8... [21:17] well i want my money back [21:18] jescis: k, see what you did there? don't do during your interviews, applications or resumes: 'get my info good and tight' [21:18] http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=33165768 <--- now this is some awesome landscape shooting [21:18] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.123.186) joined ##slackware. [21:19] ananke: I don't mean to spill too much, I'm just to truthful >.> [21:19] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [21:19] jescis stay with the honesty. [21:19] always! [21:19] jescis honor above all. [21:20] fidelity next. [21:20] i was referring to slang [21:20] even street lingo users need honor and fidelity [21:20] https://tessai.kicks-ass.net/cgi/nph-test.cgi/000010A/http/omploader.org/vMmc3aw [21:20] lol [21:21] http://omploader.org/vMmc3aw [21:21] my theme gets the best of me sometimes [21:21] ananke: oh, you meant saying info instead of information ;) [21:22] no, he means the exact phrase you used :P [21:22] anyone for coffee/ [21:22] Quiznos: email me a hot cup of java ;) [21:22] heh [21:22] jescis: 'tight' [21:23] oh [21:23] fire|bird... where'd ya go? [21:23] !seen fire|bird [21:23] tight is slang in that context? o.O [21:23] yes [21:24] hhmmm :\ [21:24] Necos: I'm right here. :) [21:24] Action: Necos points up [21:24] screenshot [21:25] what's the alternative? [21:25] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [21:25] Necos: nice. :) [21:26] i never see that background :( [21:26] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] always have windows open and such [21:26] Action: jescis can't beleive Necos would kill his screen by shooting it ;) [21:26] greetings and salutations [21:26] Action: Necos did it and will do it again DAMN IT! [21:27] scree... shot XD [21:27] screen* [21:27] hmmmm, what the hell is libamr? [21:27] greetings andarius, how are you? [21:27] AMR Codecs Necos [21:28] salutations fire|bird, I am hungry. How are you? [21:28] if anyone's bored, would it be possible to get some help on some c++ homework? [21:28] i can try but i'm more c than c++ [21:28] but i can read [21:28] andarius: I am excellent, thanks. I did a fresh slack 13 install today so getting things back in order. [21:29] it's just dynamic memory, so ti should be the same [21:29] k [21:29] Action: jescis sends andarius some peice of turkey. [21:29] malloc or new? [21:29] and what are the AMR codecs? :P [21:29] Necos: google is your friend. :P [21:29] jescis: which piece ? [21:29] Necos: my pekwm,bmpanel,gkrellm http://omploader.org/vMmc3bQ [21:29] Tassis (n=tassis@unaffiliated/tassis) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:30] fire|bird: why a new installation? did you break your last install ? [21:30] andarius: now with that turkey your not the small country of hungry ;) [21:30] hmmmm, nice! [21:30] nope, now i am a slightly larger small country of hungry :P [21:30] it's the name spelt Hungary? [21:30] andarius: haha, no, just wanted to get back to ext3, and, I had installed gsb and instead of just removing it all, just chose too do a clean install. [21:30] isnt * [21:31] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [21:31] it's a place, not a physiological condition ;) [21:31] hmm forgot SRDS 2009 is going on right now ... [21:31] kitche hi [21:31] you going? [21:31] Quiznos: http://pastebin.com/m51a067a2 something is wrong with my delete i'm pretty sure, but I dont know what [21:31] ok [21:32] Quiznos: yeah, I might have messed it up in text, but it's still a funny word play joke or something ;) [21:32] :) [21:32] Reticenti no err on the tmpcallptr def? [21:32] nm that [21:33] Reticenti what's the fun porpose? [21:33] hmmmm [21:33] i'm reading in a number from a txt file, and since i want it in an int array, I'm brining it in as a char array, and then converting to the int array one number at a time [21:34] escaflown (n=elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:34] which is what i'm doing at line 25 [21:34] god that's complicated to do a simple thing [21:34] Quiznos: how else could I do it/ [21:35] I don't know any other way to fin a number and have each number in a seperate arary cell [21:35] int array cell* [21:35] i'd use either scanf or cin << int [21:35] in a while loop [21:36] if you wanna grok the whole file [21:36] actually, you can just use vscanf [21:36] yea but he's writing c++ [21:36] well, the prof looks down on using too many libraries at this point.. so... [21:37] it's all stdc++ [21:37] so my long way is the best way I acn do it for my prof's likings [21:37] it's in stdio.h [21:37] yea [21:37] vscanf, i mean :P [21:37] any extra libs would be gcc's fault [21:37] *scanf* are libc too [21:37] anyways, why doesnt that delete work/ [21:38] Reticenti: ask in #bash ? [21:38] Reticenti actually, for me, i'd partition prob as readAline(), readAllLies() [21:38] i hate hungarian notation [21:38] [21:38] the declarations dont match i think [21:39] Necos then call it wikiWords [21:39] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.0.82) joined ##slackware. [21:39] i dont do hungarian [21:39] lol [21:39] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:39] jhw_ (n=jhw@p548F7A75.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] there are no hung type-chars in my words :) [21:39] lol [21:39] Reticenti you're deleting a [], but tmpptr is char*; are those equivalent? [21:40] i thought so [21:40] shouldnt tmpptr be char**? [21:40] jhw (n=jhw@p548F6A6F.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:40] ot an actual tmpptr[]? [21:40] ot/or [21:40] if you don't know, that's kind of bad... [21:40] i havent learned ptr** yet :\ [21:40] ptr isnt a type [21:40] and for this assignment I cant use brackets except after new [21:41] err, i havent learned char** [21:41] you still have to declare the var correctly [21:41] then tmpptr[] [21:41] which is what you want for a string of characters [21:41] and you arent even ready for utf chars :) [21:41] lol [21:42] (sorry for introducing another can o worms) [21:42] wow, that code doesn't make any sense... no wonder i never learned C++ :) [21:42] Necos yea, the syntax can be complicated [21:42] Necos: it doesnt make since because I'm not a good programmer :P [21:42] C is so much simpler [21:42] yep [21:42] Reticenti, that's probably part of it [21:42] Reticenti change `char tmpptr[]' [21:43] and make [21:43] lol [21:43] you're subtracting 48 to get the numerical value? [21:43] yeah lol [21:43] horoay for hardcoding shit in [21:44] bellows2 (n=catha66@cpe-24-165-165-229.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [21:44] Reticenti in c and c++, a declaration char * is not the same as a char bar[] [21:44] geez ya ding dong, you might as well juse and it, it'd be faster [21:44] Reticenti but in use, using bar can devolve to a ptr to element [0] [21:44] *just [21:45] Reticenti IOW, a ptr to a var just allocates space for the ptr's value. a bar[n] allocates space for n elements [21:45] yeah, i get that [21:45] k [21:45] you're not initializing your pointers... bad idea [21:45] and i thought that when I did ptr = new char[6] [21:45] put a vlaue in the [] [21:45] use calloc [21:46] Necos it's c++ not c and libstdc++ not libstdc [21:46] or the C++ equiv... shaddap Quiznos :P [21:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-227-217-190.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] he axed me first to help [21:46] pf [21:46] pffiffle [21:46] so when i do "ptr = new char[10]" dont I delete the dynamic mem with "delete [] ptr" [21:47] delete is like free()? [21:47] neonflux (n=mrjones@adsl-76-225-174-73.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:47] yes [21:47] necos [21:47] bah, C++ sucks :) [21:47] Reticenti try without the [] first [21:47] err, I'm only casually paying attention, but I see one glaringly obvious problem [21:47] wazit? [21:47] Urchlay, preach! :) [21:47] do tell [21:47] you go "tmpptr = new char[6]; " inside the while loop, but you only ever delete it once, after the loop is done [21:48] ooooh [21:48] he';s right [21:48] that's called a memory leak, and if your prof is any good, he'll take off quite a few points... [21:48] Reticenti that's another reason for better partitioning of problem [21:48] instead of one BIG func() [21:48] Urchlay, rock it out man :) [21:48] so i need to delete it at line 32? [21:49] but, what are you doing with the values? [21:49] you need to delete, or at least reinitialize it [21:49] Quiznos: what do you mean [21:49] Reticenti: eh, yes, but they should be teaching you to avoid new and delete when they're unneeded (you could just declare tmpptr inside the while loop) [21:49] Reticenti this leads me back to the tmpptr decl; you need a list of vectors; not just one vector [21:50] no newing in loops; bad idear [21:50] archiebenedict (n=archiebl@68.102.118.52) joined ##slackware. [21:51] Reticenti IMO, scrap v0.0.1 and start v0.0.2 without using any previous code. [21:51] is there a way to be automatically notified of security updates in slackware? [21:51] it's a larning speriment [21:51] an rss feed [21:51] Urchlay: I'm sure they will, but I've known about dynamic memory for about a week now, so I'm just getting to know it [21:51] archiebenedict join the mailing list [21:51] the subtracting 48 to get a numeric value is probably actually OK if you *know* your input will always be valid digits (since this looks like one of those deals where they give you the data files to test it with?) [21:51] ok thanks [21:52] Urchlay: yeah, i write the data files myself [21:52] or just look in the /patches folder of your favorite mirror [21:52] yea, put a if(isdigit()) guard around that -= [21:52] mmk [21:52] i-i3id3r (n=i-i3id3r@unaffiliated/tsar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:52] another question, when there is a security update, do the devs just fix the bugs and recompile or do they do a version bump that fixes the bugs? [21:52] depends on the prof & the requirements... if he's picky, he'll insist you do full error checking, or at least he'll specifically say "you can leave out error checking" [21:53] actually, if the data source is one char-digit per line then why not skip the tmpptr all together [21:53] archiebenedict, look at the /patches directory ;) [21:53] yeah... in fact, can we see the data file that program reads? [21:53] ok thx [21:53] Quiznos: it's mixed data per line ... [21:53] usually, the vendor gives out a new tarball of source, then it's recompiled [21:53] ok [21:53] notKlaat2 (n=klaatu@c-24-131-254-66.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] strings of alpha and digits? [21:53] but what I dont understand is why that delete gives me errors [21:53] Quiznos: yeah [21:54] Reticenti the prob is the data define as i said earlier. [21:54] they arent the same [21:54] a char * isnt really a [] [21:54] that's a pointer to one byte [21:54] and that's not a vector [21:54] i thought [] was a pointer too [21:55] nop [21:55] notKlaat2 (n=klaatu@c-24-131-254-66.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:55] does it act like a pointer? [21:55] that would be a change in nomenlature if it were [21:55] and would break quickly everything writ. [21:55] the name can, i dont know about that nomenclature tho [21:55] my prof told us that array[] is a constant pointer to the base address of the array [21:55] a name is just a ptr to element[0] even if there isnt a vector involved [21:56] if the data is declared as ... [21:56] long bar[3]; // bar is symbol whose value is address of bar[0] [21:56] &bar returns &(bar[0]) [21:56] yeah [21:57] ok [21:57] i understand that [21:57] k [21:57] now; since you want to deal with string vectors... [21:57] char bar[MAXSTRINLEN]; [21:57] tht's space for one vector of sequentially ordered `chars' [21:57] Reticenti: eh, using the array name by itself, without the [], means it "decays" to a pointer to the 1st element [21:58] but it isn't the same... for one thing, sizeof() reports a different size [21:58] but since your code is writ to hold multiple vectors [21:58] Urchlay: ok, that makes sense, and is what I've been taught so far [21:58] you need char **bar[n]; [21:58] bar is a pointer to a list of pointers, max length of n [21:58] or [21:59] why do i need a list of pointers? [21:59] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] char foo[10]; printf("%d", sizeof(foo)); // prints 10 [21:59] skip the [n] and alloc each vector on a linked-list [21:59] char *foo; printf("%d", sizeof(foo)); // prints 4 or 8 or whatever the native pointer size is on your machine [21:59] struct { char bar[n]; void *next;}; [21:59] well, you're starting to go beyond what I've been taught [21:59] or, void *prev;}; // backwards is easier [21:59] ok [22:00] why do you need to heap the strings? [22:00] remember, circular linked lists will make you dizzy [22:00] and I have to go pickup my wife [22:00] ok [22:00] can you answer my last first? [22:00] so i'll be back in 20-30 min [22:00] argh [22:00] last first? [22:00] why do you need to heap the strings? [22:00] because I have to use dynmic mem on this assignment, I can't declate static arays [22:01] ok [22:01] ttyl [22:01] declare* [22:01] your prob is partitioning of task. [22:01] tht's not too difficult to fix [22:01] hmmm, this dvd is causing k9copy to die... [22:02] mmm, one of my fave st:tng's [22:02] eh, which one's that? [22:02] if you compile ext4 should you compile ext3 in the kernel as well? [22:03] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [22:03] tygra (n=tygra@174.32.35.181) joined ##slackware. [22:03] Xgates: if it's required, it won't be possible to disable in menuconfig [22:03] Whitor (n=mcneany@cpe-74-76-185-31.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:03] they find ancient Iconian planet; i think it's the one with the stepping through a portal; Romulans ship destroyed [22:03] planet in Neutral Zone [22:03] either I didn't see that one or my memory is failing [22:03] sister ship to Enterprise destroyed [22:03] you saw it [22:04] Xgates if i had a need, yes. [22:04] actually I dunno, I was watching TNG on DVD and never did get all the seasons [22:04] Urchlay: as far as I remember with the FS you can pick and choose any of them, they are not locked into one another [22:04] i dont know if 4 can handle 3; like 3 can handle 2 [22:04] Urchlay ah [22:04] I'm only using an ext4 fs, I have no need unless they system has a need for it, or anything else, etc... [22:05] k [22:05] well I didn't know if it had to have some support from it or not [22:05] i dont think so [22:05] ok [22:05] didn't watch much of it (or anything else) when it aired, I can't abide watching TV on someone else's schedule, and detest being interrupted every 10 minutes being told to buy crap I don't care about [22:05] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) left irc: [22:05] google 'ext4 ext3 backward compatible' [22:06] Urchlay heh; bad meerkin! [22:06] refusing to be properly programmed! L) [22:06] fuck... [22:06] Xgates: you might consider building the filesystems you don't use regularly, as modules... that way if you unexpectedly need one (someone hands you a disk and says "can you get my data off this?"), you can modprobe it [22:07] nods [22:07] i duno anyone. [22:07] Urchlay ``Contagion'' [22:08] hi [22:08] hm, is www.freedesktop.org down, or is it just me and my crappy ISP? [22:08] stirsl (n=DaRKSTaR@113.22.57.160) joined ##slackware. [22:08] chking [22:08] delayed [22:09] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [22:09] yeah, same thing here [22:09] 1. 2. 3. [22:09] dead [22:09] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-86-31-40-179.leed.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] OK, guess I'll worry about it some other time [22:09] hi slackers [22:09] hey interfering|mayhem [22:09] k [22:09] :) [22:09] err Urchlay [22:10] lol [22:10] looking for somewhere that ppl actually chat, and know stuff about slackware/linux <-- looks like chatting, here , good start [22:10] ok; ##Linux too [22:11] attempts|cleanly [22:11] Nick change: Quiznos -> PurpleSmurf [22:11] haha [22:11] People know stuff about linux here? [22:12] kinda [22:12] no [22:12] we dabble [22:12] what is linux? [22:12] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] lollll [22:12] a operating system kernel. [22:12] what's the minimum packages i need for kde3 to function properly? maybe qt3, kdelibs3 and kdebase3? [22:12] what is this "slackware" shit and how did i install it on my computer [22:12] I thought I told you earlier, this is the channel of the Slack clothing company? [22:12] lol [22:12] oh yeah [22:12] no no no [22:12] that's not it [22:12] lol @ slackware sh't [22:12] so slackware is a modified windows version for the Slack clothing company? [22:13] wubbster: Now go make some t-shirts. [22:13] wouldnt that be "slack WEAR" ? [22:14] It's a pun. [22:14] the person who named it was dyslexic [22:14] damn this dvd... [22:14] wubbster no, that's Lindows that M# sued for name-dilution [22:14] Ah, there, got slackbuilds rsynced now. I can get to building stuff again. [22:14] Necos: ydiw :P [22:14] yay [22:14] hcfd (n=fed@host86-131-179-38.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:14] what? [22:14] lol lindows... [22:15] Necos: ydiw = you're doing it wrong Don't blame the dvd. :P [22:15] heh [22:15] i think it might be copy protection [22:15] Action: fire|bird stabs Necos [22:15] Necos, blame the dvd for your troubles, dvds are the inferior race [22:15] Action: Necos stabs fire|bird back [22:15] Necos: You know there's a t-shirt you can buy that solves thta problem. [22:15] mercfate (i=1000@200-160-99-29-sne.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [22:15] hi [22:15] Action: fire|bird stabs PurpleSmurf [22:15] anyone heard of a movie called The Reflecting Pool? [22:16] lol eviljames [22:16] trying to make a backup for a teacher... he wants to show it to his clsas, but not get jacked for the original [22:16] not i, Necos [22:16] eviljames, btw, my friend has that shirt [22:16] anyone can help me with script for auto reconnect adsl? [22:16] :P [22:16] Necos: hahah, thta's awesome. [22:17] when lost connection, i need auto reconnect [22:17] i wanted one, but they got C&D before i could buy one [22:17] Necos: this is? ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32b-e-xwuB8 [22:17] Necos: http://shop.cafepress.ca/design/3484449 [22:17] is/it... [22:17] ouch [22:18] oh shit ej :) [22:18] Necos: here, get a bunch of 'em http://shop.cafepress.ca/decss [22:18] Blame Canada! [22:18] canadia [22:18] should been annexed [22:18] shoulda [22:18] this is copyright'd 2008, so i'm wondering if it's using dummy sectors [22:19] i'm getting an invalid ifo parse >.> [22:19] cdrecord -minfo? [22:20] what's the minimum packages i need for kde3 to function properly? maybe qt3, kdelibs3 and kdebase3? [22:20] stirsl learn by doing [22:21] stirsl: on Slackware 13.0? [22:21] stirsl: Pat put up kde3 packages for slack13 [22:21] everyone just calm down and install xfce4 [22:21] i hear they give you free candy [22:21] disk is not unrestricted... [22:21] for installing it [22:21] :D [22:21] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-14-65-139.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:22] ya know, at first glance, that's pretty bad [22:22] oh fuck, i need to get out of here, i'll resume this tomorrow [22:22] laters folks [22:22] gn [22:22] lol, see ya Necos [22:23] hey Necos is that the movie I asked ya? [22:23] nice when ppl do' [22:23] don [22:23] err [22:23] don't reply.... [22:24] who is the better users on linux? slackware users? [22:24] *best [22:24] mingdao, PurpleSmurf, thrice`: yes on slack13, and i don't want a *full* kde, just minimum elements to work [22:24] ``when you use a distro, you learn the distro; when you use slackware, you learn Linux.'' [22:24] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [22:24] stirsl: There is a README file in unsupported/ with the packages -> http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [22:24] stirsl we got that. we dont have a specific answer [22:25] as PurpleSmurf .... learn by doing [22:25] PurpleSmurf: you also learn a bit about Unix too [22:25] yep [22:25] mercfate: that's a silly question. I have seen people in here who are pretty much lacking clue. besides best at what. [22:25] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/unsupported/kde-3.5.10-for-slack13.0/ [22:25] but i had an unfair advantage [22:25] stirsl: might wanna start with the KDE web page [22:25] i started reading-learning unix while still on msdos [22:25] mingdao: ok [22:26] stirsl: at least libs and base [22:26] 532101111111111111 [22:26] and qt, of course [22:26] sorry [22:26] my cat walked on keyboard [22:26] lol [22:27] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:27] hey PurpleSmurf i'm back [22:27] hi [22:27] he musta been brake dancin' [22:28] Reticenti scrap current code; start over with better afore-thought :) [22:28] PurpleSmurf: that's doable, how would I improve it? [22:28] repartition sub tasks [22:28] read a file-part(); do something to it() [22:28] output() [22:28] IOP. [22:29] oops [22:29] IPO. [22:29] input process output [22:29] IPO? [22:29] ah [22:29] (do that when it makes sense to do so) [22:29] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:29] yeah, though, I'm not really doing process for this one [22:29] Uh, when does it not make sense? [22:29] process is anything to be done to data [22:30] That's all a computer program is or does: [input, process, output] in some order [22:30] i'm not saying the "COMPUTER DATA PROCESSING" concept; just as a means of proper task partitioning. [22:30] PurpleSmurf: would you like to see the assignment? [22:30] a way to order your thoughts on what to do [22:30] sure [22:30] http://www.cse.unr.edu/~latour/class/202/homework/dynamic.html [22:30] text only [22:30] k [22:30] and it's based on this one: http://www.cse.unr.edu/~latour/class/202/homework/structsPointers.html [22:30] except I have to use dynamic memory only, no static arrays [22:31] wrong page [22:31] I've been trying to figure out a boot issue and I found this info on Wiki: [22:31] In case your kernel does not include the driver for your root filesystem, or a driver for your SATA bus, or other stuff that is only built as modules, your kernel will panic if it boots and can not access the necessary disks, partitions and/or files. Typically, this looks like [22:31] ok well I know this... [22:31] SO [22:31] got it [22:32] it's saying this is the type of kernel panic error you'll get: [22:32] VFS: Cannot open root device "802" or unknown-block (8,2) [22:32] Please append a correct "root=" boot option [22:32] Channel flood from Xgates -- kicking [22:32] Kernel Panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,2) [22:32] Xgates kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [22:32] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [22:32] LOL [22:32] no lol [22:32] ok you guys get that last? [22:32] Reticenti tuff reqs [22:32] so you kp now? [22:32] Xgates: yea, this is common. There's a question coming I assume? [22:32] PurpleSmurf: yeah, [22:32] Reticenti cant use global data [22:32] mercfate (i=1000@200-160-99-29-sne.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [22:32] I do have my FS and SATA compiled in yet I keep getting that kernel panic [22:33] use an initrd [22:33] PurpleSmurf: in this class, global stuff = bad [22:33] Reticenti well, you said you havent learned linked lists [22:33] Xgates: update lilo or grub conf [22:33] Xgates: what is _your_ kp message? [22:33] yea, i'd agree [22:33] Xgates: Check fstab [22:33] I've never used an initrid in Slack before [22:33] Reticenti a linked-list is the only way to go when you cant have global data [22:33] mingdao: one sec [22:33] stirsl (n=DaRKSTaR@113.22.57.160) left irc: "leaving" [22:34] VFS: Cannot open root device "802" or unknown-block (8,2) [22:34] Please append a correct "root=" boot option [22:34] Reticenti can use lists under `a better way' clause of assignment [22:34] Kernel Panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,2) [22:34] nyRednek (n=yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:34] nyRednek !! [22:34] PurpleSmurf: yeah, she briefly mentioned it today, but I dont know how to sue them [22:34] so you just posted the info [22:34] Reticenti it's easy [22:34] PurpleSmurf, hi\ [22:34] no driver for controller or no support for fs [22:34] Xgates: what is your / fs? [22:34] I thought when you said kp message that you meant what is the kernel panic msg... [22:34] Or, more likely, the naming schema has changed [22:34] ext4 [22:34] Reticenti struct _LL { char *data; struct _LL *prev; }; [22:35] PurpleSmurf: I dont think she'd let me use linked lists though [22:35] So instead of /dev/hda his device has become /dev/sda after a kernel upgrade. [22:35] Xgates: ^ [22:35] Reticenti allowed by clause ``better approach'' [22:35] lol [22:35] paragr 1 [22:35] eviljames: ? [22:35] PurpleSmurf, how goes? [22:35] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:35] hihi how ya bin? [22:35] nyRednek Quiznos here [22:35] eviljames: unless it changed, this is a fresh install [22:35] PurpleSmurf, ah... [22:35] i had court this morning [22:36] mingdao: It certainly could change after a fresh install, I have had it happen to me. [22:36] Xgates: grep -i 'ext4' .config [22:36] I just installed 13, but I needed to recompile to 2.6.31.1 [22:36] Xgates: Have you upgraded your kernel? [22:36] mingdao: ok [22:36] Xgates: and/or recompiled [22:36] nyRednek success? [22:36] Nick change: PurpleSmurf -> Quiznos [22:36] eviljames: yes I'm compiling 2.6.31.1 [22:36] PurpleSmurf, had to plead today, next time in will be pretrial [22:36] nyRednek ok [22:36] Xgates: So, when you boot the system stock (12.2? 13?) is the drive named /dev/hda or /dev/sda ? [22:36] Quiznos, a bs charge in rural new york [22:37] Xgates: are you booted into that system with the Slack kernel now? [22:37] nyRednek did you use a mouth-piece? [22:37] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.111) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:37] lol [22:37] ok one sec, need to boot up [22:37] Quiznos, i didn't need one to plead 'not guilty' [22:37] Quiznos, i got one for the pretrial stuff and trial, though [22:37] nyRednek GOOD!!! can i ask what the suit is? [22:37] pm me if need [22:38] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Connection timed out [22:38] Quiznos, i'm charged with a class a misdameanor, failure to maintain adequate records(insurance card) on a commercial vehicle [22:38] Xgates: issue "lspci -v" to see which driver your controller uses ... you should see something like -> Kernel driver in use: sata_nv [22:38] hmm [22:38] eviljames: when I boot up the stock huge kernel on 13.0 it says EXT4 FS on /dev/sda2 [22:39] Quiznos, if convicted, i'll no longer have a cdl [22:39] ok one sec... [22:39] nyRednek ok, so this is a administrative hearing [22:39] Quiznos, something like that [22:39] the idiot cop screwed the ticket up big time [22:39] the lawyer i grabbed told me that this was going to be fun for us, not so much for the ny state police [22:40] do they distinguish between poor recordkeeping and simply not having insurance? [22:40] nyRednek ooo; use that big time; his errors are usually fatal if the "private business record" is not perfect. [22:40] nyRednek 2. do NOT let the cop testify; contrary to Magna Carta [22:40] Xgates: k, dmesg | grep -C 3 sda [22:40] Xgates: grep -i 'ext4' /path/to/your/2.6.31.1/.config [22:40] bittin___ (i=bittin@anapnea.net) left irc: "will be back when i got internets in my new apartment" [22:40] Xgates: That should give a hint as to what to watch for when booting the new kernel to see if it is the issue I'm guessing. [22:41] nyRednek hmm `no ins' or no papers re ins? [22:41] hold on I'm going through lspci [22:41] :) [22:41] Quiznos, i'll tear him apart...his errors betray an inherent malice and overzeal in his conduct [22:41] Quiznos, an expired card, but insurance current, with same policy number [22:41] nyRednek not really relevent; just stick to highlighting the errors as being fatal [22:41] nyRednek present that highlighted too [22:42] Xgates: actually, forget my line altogether until we know for sure that you have ext4 in your config [22:42] Legendre (n=bela@chef.nerp.net) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Quiznos, i'm going to let the lawyer lead this one [22:42] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [22:42] nyRednek "agent for corporation failed to abide by due-deligence in performance of duty" [22:42] Quiznos, he told me which way he's planning on defending this [22:42] it says kernel driver in use ahci [22:42] so how is the new Slack these days? Been a few years, since I messed with it.. [22:42] nyRednek he's not your lawyer, he works for the judge [22:42] and I compiled it in for Intel too [22:42] Xgates: grep -i 'ahci' /path/to/your/2.6.31.1/.config [22:42] k [22:42] Quiznos, i paid the guy, he's my lawyer [22:43] nyRednek you're third on list of to whom he's alieged [22:43] Xgates: in your .config you should have CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y [22:43] nyRednek no, he's not. [22:43] or use an initrd [22:43] nyRednek he wont go to jail for you. [22:43] Quiznos, and he isn't from that part of rural new york [22:43] nyRednek he's just there to make sure they all get your money [22:43] Quiznos, he's from manhattan [22:43] Xgates: maybe when you were futzing around with all the SCSI stuff you missed it somehow [22:43] nyRednek doesnt matter; it's the Brotherhood. [22:43] nyRednek he's not your friend! [22:44] nyRednek his obedience is to the judge first (the lawyer behind the bench) [22:44] Quiznos, yeah...his defense looks solid [22:44] nyRednek you are NOT in a court of law. it's adminstrative; there are processes that arent being adhered to [22:44] CONFIG_SATA_AHCI=y [22:44] Quiznos, especially considering the amateurish method of citation [22:44] I didn't miss it [22:45] Xgates: grep -i 'ext4' /path/to/your/2.6.31.1/.config [22:45] nyRednek find the statutes regarding commercial license and insurance. they are "different" than non-commerical (these dont actually exists) [22:45] brb [22:45] Xgates: double check your /etc/lilo.conf entry and be sure to run "lilo" as root to write it to the bootloader [22:45] Quiznos, i was in a commercial vehicle [22:46] nyRednek ok, so this is a administrative hearing!!! this is REALLY significant [22:46] nyRednek they cannot take property without compensating you [22:46] yes I always run lilio [22:46] brb [22:46] Quiznos: I figured it out [22:46] Xgates (n=Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: "Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds )" [22:46] Reticenti ok [22:46] how [22:46] Quiznos: I moved the pointer, and I tried to delete it, but it wasnt at the abse address [22:46] base* [22:46] so [22:46] so i was deleting from the end, not the beginning [22:46] end of what? 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[22:47] let me check [22:47] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:47] k [22:47] it should though [22:47] no guessing:) [22:47] ok ext4 ---> http://pastebin.com/m4b7b1cea [22:48] Quiznos, more or less, he should have issued a citation to the owner of the vehicle, not the driver [22:48] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.170.23.53) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:48] Quiznos, and it would have been a violation, not a misdameanor summons [22:48] insuranceless vehicles don't drive themselves [22:48] nyRednek good, harp on those!!! the first should be fatal [22:48] nyRednek why were you stopped? [22:48] mancha, the vehicle has valid insurance [22:49] Quiznos, some idiot flagged me down claiming i hit him and broke his mirror [22:49] Xgates: nothing wrong with your ext4 modules [22:49] did you? [22:49] Quiznos, i was never technically pulled over [22:49] Quiznos: yeah, it fixed it when i moved the pointer back to the top of the dynamic arary [22:49] the thing is the default lilo.conf says this at the top: [22:49] yea you were [22:49] append=" vt.default_utf8=0" [22:49] boot = /dev/root [22:49] Reticenti ok so you're done? [22:49] ? [22:49] boot = /dev/root ? [22:49] thats not so good [22:49] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-151-31.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [22:49] boot = /dev/sda [22:50] Quiznos: I still have to program, but i fixed it for now lol [22:50] should be /dev/hda or summit [22:50] yeah that's in the stock lilo.conf on Slack 13 x64 [22:50] Reticenti ok [22:50] at least it's in mine [22:50] Quiznos: thanks for your help [22:50] nyRednek any stop ordered by one in apparent or real authority is always an arrest [22:50] Reticenti yvw [22:50] Xgates: what is /dev/root ? [22:50] Xgates: That's not in my lilo config. [22:50] ls -l /dev/root [22:50] mingdao: /dev/root is a symlink to the root filesystem, created by udev [22:51] eviljames: I know [22:51] but what is HIS /dev/root? [22:51] oh heh [22:51] eviljames: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-09-30 04:53 /dev/root -> md5 [22:51] that's mine [22:51] Quiznos, again, i was never stopped, i summoned police for an accident report(company policy) [22:51] RAID array [22:51] nyRednek ok [22:51] still boots from /dev/sda with /boot as RAID also [22:51] since when is this /dev/root thing being created? slack13? [22:51] kitche (n=dragon@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [22:51] mancha several versions ago [22:51] mancha, 12.x afaik [22:52] root@MacSlack:~# ls -l /dev/root [22:52] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-09-29 16:38 /dev/root -> sda2 [22:52] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:52] Xgates: where did YOU put lilo? [22:52] I don't get why I can't boot this dang thing when I have my FS and SATA compiled... [22:52] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:52] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [22:52] Xgates: is it in the MBR? [22:52] i just ssh'd to a 12.x, no /dev/root there [22:52] no on /dev/sda2 [22:52] nyRednek pls read http://SuiJurisClub.net [22:52] cause you have a Mac [22:53] nyRednek as much as you can before next hearing and while in progress. [22:53] BUT I'm running a macbook on EFI/GPT partiton so I run lilo like this ---> /sbin/lilo -P ignore [22:53] Xgates: is your /etc/lilo.conf entry for your custom kernel the same as the one for the Slackware default kernel? [22:53] default and I just added in an entry for the new kernel is all like the default [22:54] I dunno how to use LiLO with a Mac [22:55] Xgates: what command did you have to run before to get LiLO working proper? [22:55] Xgates: you _did_ keep notes, didn't you? [22:55] since I'm on a mac I also compiled in --> [*] EFI runtime service support [22:55] I remember you had a whale of a time. [22:55] I run ---> /sbin/lilo -P ignore [22:55] eviljames, udev you said or is it a kernel config? [22:56] comhack (n=comhack@unaffiliated/comhack) joined ##slackware. [22:56] Xgates: and what does it output? [22:56] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [22:56] mshade (n=mshade@ip98-169-164-171.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:56] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [22:56] mancha: I thought everything under /dev is handled by udev now [22:57] eviljames there are dist installed device nodes [22:57] before udev is running [22:57] *shrug*, i'll investigate this after eating something [22:57] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-70-95.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] mingdao: ----> http://pastebin.com/m4a861d9c [22:57] it works cause I'm running lilo on the default huge kernel [22:58] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-168-116.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] ya know, Verison's net naming scheme sucks [22:59] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-244-25-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [22:59] Quiznos: why's that? [22:59] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.36.190) joined ##slackware. [23:00] Xgates: when you use "/sbin/lilo -P ignore" aren't you supposed to have some option? [23:00] bc they partition unnecesa; abbreviate too much and too many dots [23:00] mingdao: option, huh? [23:00] man lilo -> -P {fix|ignore|} [23:00] no I get that if I try to run /sbin/lilo [23:01] here ---> http://pastebin.com/m15504d60 [23:01] Xgates: when you boot are you getting to select the new kernel entry in lilo? [23:02] yes I can pick them both [23:02] I'm running Slack 13 right not chatting [23:02] :) [23:02] okay, so LiLO is properly installed ... it's your kernel that doesn't work [23:02] with lilo that just booted me in [23:02] you got two choices afaict ... you want the easier or the harder? [23:02] well I don't get what's missing I have the SATA and FS compiled in [23:03] which sata mod? [23:03] BUT this being a mac it seems to want something else [23:03] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:03] I have both ahci and nvidia compiled in because it's actually Nvidia sata [23:03] Xgates: can we do a small exercise to see if your kernel will boot? [23:04] ? [23:04] Xgates: they are NOT the same [23:04] Xgates review lshal output [23:04] Xgates: grep -i 'sata_nv' /path/to/your/2.6.31.1/.config [23:04] tygra (n=tygra@174.32.35.181) left irc: "Leaving" [23:04] CONFIG_SATA_NV=y [23:04] sata_ahci and sata_nv are two different drivers [23:04] neonflux (n=mrjones@209.19.58.106) joined ##slackware. [23:04] Xgates, you're running 2.6.31.1 ? [23:04] jeev: yes [23:04] no, he's trying to [23:04] from git ? [23:04] no [23:04] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.36.190) left irc: "Changing server" [23:05] no this isn't git [23:05] are you getting a /dev/console error ? [23:05] Xgates: can we do a small exercise to see if your kernel will boot? [23:05] upon boot.. [23:05] Xgates i have nv here too [23:05] jeev: hang tight [23:05] jeev: no he is kp [23:05] i'm running kvm kernel from git and i'm getting a /dev/console error [23:05] mingdao: yea what? [23:05] Xgates: sh /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh -i [23:05] Xgates i have nv here too with sata and pata drivers [23:05] freack (n=frkbr@unaffiliated/freack) left irc: "Leaving" [23:05] select 2.6.31.1 [23:05] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [23:05] Quiznos: I installed for pata too [23:06] yea here too [23:06] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [23:06] then add "initrd = /boot/initrd.gz" to your /etc/lilo.conf run that "lilo -P ignore" and post any errors [23:06] mingdao: what are you trying to do I don't have mkinitrd SO if you'd give me some insight? [23:06] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [23:06] ? [23:07] what does initrd have to do with this, as long as I have my FS and controllers compiled I should be able to boot [23:07] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@190.71.36.190) joined ##slackware. [23:07] then initrd isnt needed [23:07] i avoid it myself [23:07] that's right [23:07] Xgates: YOU CAN NOT BOOT [23:07] yes I can I'm chatting here aren't I? [23:08] okay, your .config is great [23:08] heh [23:08] you're missing the point [23:08] uname -r says what Xgates [23:08] we definately need a different kernel configurer [23:08] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [23:08] one that's more automatic!!! [23:08] I'm running the huge kernel it doesn't use initrd correct? [23:08] so if it doesn't and I can run it I don't need it [23:08] dont rm it. [23:08] i dont get it, how is -huge built ? [23:08] unless you're looking for something else I'm not aware of by trying to run with it [23:08] is everything enabled ? [23:09] read its config file in boot [23:09] ahhh [23:09] i nevef noticed two configs in there [23:09] no wonder ;D [23:09] phreak (n=phreak@pool-151-205-168-111.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:09] nods [23:09] Huge just means it is a kernel compiled with ALOT of support is all [23:09] not everything but almost [23:09] mainly meant for installation [23:09] did someone say something? [23:09] i smell a shit pile [23:09] ahh it's just thrice`. [23:09] :( [23:09] mingdao: root@MacSlack:~# uname -r [23:09] 2.6.29.6 [23:09] Action: jeev high fives thrice` [23:10] thrice`, you running 2.6.29.6 too ? [23:10] that is for those behind the times :P [23:10] Xgates: if you don't want to try an initrd, then "diff /path/to/2.6.31.1/.config /boot/config-huge-2.6.29.6" or whatever it is [23:10] nope, I'm on 2.6.31.1 [23:10] Xgates: so you can't boot your custom kernel ... thanks for showing us [23:10] really [23:10] build it from git for me [23:10] see if you get the /dev/console error [23:10] Xgates: so you can't boot your custom kernel ... thanks for showing us huh? [23:10] what? [23:11] jeev: tried 2.6.32rc1? [23:11] after modifying grub's menu, do i have to run anything? [23:11] 11:03 < Xgates> what does initrd have to do with this, as long as I have my FS and controllers compiled I should be able to boot [23:11] 11:03 < mingdao> Xgates: YOU CAN NOT BOOT [23:11] git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/virt/kvm/kvm.git [23:11] woops, that's what i'm running [23:11] fork it ... [23:11] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:11] that's kvm source, isn't it? [23:11] kernel.org should be passwd protected [23:12] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.32-rc1 [23:12] yea, it's an entire package, no ? [23:12] lol [23:12] you're the expert ;) [23:12] yeah I can't boot I was not talking about the new kernel I'm saying IF initrd was a problem then I would not be able to run huge since it doesn't use initrd that's what I meant by that commet [23:12] i built that, to fix this freebsd guest situation, it worked. [23:12] comment [23:12] but im getting the console error.. which is just an annoyance [23:14] Xgates: you get the kernel selection so you installed lilo; you kp with Kernel Panic-not syncing: VFS: unable to mount root fs on unknown block(8,2) so you're custom kernel is fubared [23:14] so check what 8,2 is [23:14] Xgates: you can't lose much by trying an initrd but a little time [23:14] thrice`, i think i gotta wait till they merge it with kvm again [23:14] last they merged was 7 days ago [23:15] if that's how it works. [23:15] Xgates: you also said "lspci -v" says your controller is using ahci, then you say you have a Nvidia controller which uses sata_nv [23:15] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [23:15] that error means that it can't mount your root partition. this is caused by a) not giving the kernel support for its file system (statically), or b) not giving it support for the hardware controller [23:15] Xgates: try a fricking initrd and find out what your hardware uses [23:15] mingdao: I don't mind trying anything I was just asking what are you trying to get out of using initrid? [23:15] or, a very small chance of c) your lilo.conf is wrong [23:15] thrice`: you're about 30 minutes behind [23:15] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [23:15] oh :\ [23:16] 10:30 < mingdao> no driver for controller or no support for fs [23:16] not quite 30 [23:17] he reports his lilo entry for the Slackware huge and his custom are the same [23:17] well it uses Intel ahci and I'm using ext4 and I have them both compiled in * [23:17] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-151-31.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] Xgates: if you use the initrd image, and you don't kp, then you can check "lspci -v" for your drivers and find out what's fubared [23:18] ide, or sata disks? [23:18] anyone know a way to implement voice in a webchat program? the chat right now is ajax [23:18] mingdao: ok I see now :) [23:18] sata [23:18] btw here is the lilo.config: [23:18] http://pastebin.com/m46b0795d [23:19] /sbin/lspci | grep 'SATA' [23:19] all I did was just add the extra linux entry for 2.6.31.1 [23:19] mrselfpwn google someone's ajax+voicechat [23:19] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [23:19] Xgates: does this return something? zgrep CONFIG_ATA= /proc/config.gz [23:19] sar@MacSlack:~$ /sbin/lspci | grep 'SATA' [23:19] 00:0b.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP79 SATA Controller (rev b1) [23:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:19] Xgates: your entries are NOT the same ;) [23:20] Xgates: that is sata_nv not intel [23:20] his root pointers are identical [23:20] I know but the lspci -v says ahci [23:20] so I said I have ahci and nv both compiled in [23:20] in one you have image = /boot/bzImage and the other you have image = /boot/vmlinuz [23:20] Xgates: zgrep CONFIG_ATA= /proc/config.gz [23:20] hope you copied the correct image [23:20] k [23:20] Quiznos: this is what i'm using and it says it supports voice chat through flash; http://www.webresourcesdepot.com/voice-enabled-powerful-web-chat-software-ajax-chat/ ; though there is nothing in their wiki about it. [23:21] lunch ... [23:21] sar@MacSlack:~$ zgrep CONFIG_ATA= /proc/config.gz [23:21] CONFIG_ATA=y [23:21] ok, that's good :) [23:21] mrselfpwn ok [23:22] hitest (n=hitest@64.114.226.226) left irc: "Leaving" [23:22] keres (i=keres@ip68-102-137-99.ks.ok.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:22] Xgates: why are you trying to build a custom kernel? [23:23] but the thing is if lspci -v says ahci and then /sbin/lspci | grep 'SATA' says nv I don't get it, I have them both compiled along with my FS [23:23] rworkman: strange that you'd ask me that question, I see you don't remember me :) [23:23] Xgates: line 8 of http://pastebin.com/m46b0795d is wrong. [23:24] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:24] I've been building my own kernels for the past 10 years hehe [23:24] rworkman: ok let me look [23:24] apparently not well :( [23:24] rworkman: that was the default setting lilo.conf made when I installed it I never touched tht [23:24] that [23:24] Xgates: I had/have you confused with someone else, perhpas [23:25] sar@MacSlack:~$ ls -l /dev/root [23:25] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2009-09-29 16:38 /dev/root -> sda2 [23:25] Xgates: Assuming you want to install lilo to the MBR, that "boot=" line should be /dev/sda [23:25] rworkman: how long you been in this channel? [23:25] Xgates: a while. Why [23:25] ? [23:25] rworkman: he can't because he's got some Mac drive [23:25] Oh, so he's chainloading from grub then? [23:26] well I thought I know you, I've been in here on an off when it was Openprojects going back to when Alphageek was around [23:26] no he has a lilo [23:26] rworkman: indeed. [23:26] rworkman: Or some other bootloader [23:26] no chainloading [23:26] Then how are you booting MacOS? [23:26] If you're not chainloading, then what you have won't work. [23:26] Can't work. [23:27] laters, sleepytime [23:27] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [23:27] Xgates: you might know me. I don't know. Any relation to Xandrix? [23:27] I just run lilo like this so it doesn't mess with the partition table: -> /sbin/lilo -P ignore [23:27] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:27] firedix_ (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:27] no relations [23:27] firedix (n=firedix@host252.200-117-59.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:27] How about Pixelized? [23:27] rworkman: slackcare.com ring any bells? [23:28] Not really :/ [23:28] mm, freedesktop seems dead :( [23:28] no worries [23:28] thrice`: yeah :/ [23:28] for two days now [23:28] (at least) [23:28] anyhow I can boot Slack with that lilo.conf on the huge kernel on 13.0 [23:28] I want a mesa tarball ! [23:28] notice that earlier,thrice' [23:29] Xgates: so you're trying to boot what now? [23:30] mingdao: if we know what my sata driver is with lspci -v or /sbin/lspci | grep 'SATA' I don't follow then how running initrd then running lspci -v helps? [23:30] 2.6.31.1 [23:30] 2.6.24.5 [23:30] Xgates: http://rlworkman.net/config-generic-2.6.31.1.xz <-- pull that and use it. I know it works; you'll only need an initrd [23:31] Legendre (n=bela@chef.nerp.net) left ##slackware. [23:34] rworkman: I can use huge too that works it's not really the issue of using something else, it's trying to find out why when I've give it what it needs it's not going [23:34] how do you open .xz never used this format before [23:34] sQuEE (n=narya@200.82.40.151) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:35] whatever happen to the goo ole days of .tar and .gz [23:35] hehe [23:35] sQuEE (n=narya@host120.190-31-142.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [23:35] pat scrapped em [23:35] change sux [23:35] yeah I know [23:35] lol [23:36] how do you open .xz [23:36] espeeshully "corporate change" [23:36] xz [23:36] k [23:36] unxz [23:36] since change sucks for you guys any of you with a cpu newer than a pIII have to send it to me... since they suck [23:36] pff [23:37] i dont throw stuff out [23:37] there is always tar --help [23:38] --help sucks; i want -h [23:38] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:42] tar -911 [23:43] sup rworkman [23:43] thrice`, you have any idea how the git stuff works ? [23:43] does SATA depend on any SCSI? My understanding is you still need only generic and disk support [23:43] or at least you use to [23:43] http://git.kernel.org/?p=virt/kvm/kvm.git;a=summary shows a merge 7 days ago for some branches [23:43] does that mean whatever that was fixed in that branch will ultimately end up in the kvm git ? [23:44] sluckxz (n=sluckxz@24.116.8.105) left irc: "Leaving" [23:44] nope, there are multiple branches of the kvm repository [23:44] because there's an issue with /dev/console which is supposably fixed in other repo's [23:44] but not yet in kvm [23:44] some people may be working on next, some on 2.6.32, etc. [23:44] What,Mancha?!?...tar -tp paper....right,tar -911...:D [23:45] cause i built it with the patch and i still get the tty error [23:45] Unknown type of argument: ../../lib64/libGLU.*so* O.o [23:45] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [23:45] riddlebox (n=james@75-132-225-75.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:46] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] samigarus (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Connection reset by peer [23:48] rworkman: has [ ] Optimize for size been known to break the kernel? [23:49] Xgates, AFAIK that's been default for quite a while [23:50] veritos: what not using it? [23:50] no, using it [23:50] k [23:50] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@98.14.234.253) joined ##slackware. [23:50] At least it was that way when I just compiled my kernel a couple days ago, and was like that on quite a few Gentoo kernels [23:50] samigarus (n=user@220.112.82.116) joined ##slackware. [23:52] does Symmetric multi-processing help with dual core? [23:52] how long did you say you have been building your own kernels ? [23:52] hahaha took the words out of my mouth :P [23:53] before Dual core that's why I ask [23:53] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIHr3gWsMVY&feature=related [23:53] is there a need for this? [23:53] I just asked a simple question [23:53] read the help [23:53] your simple question limit is up, time for google [23:54] Xgates: http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=SMP+dual+core [23:54] WOW 10 years I've been in this channel and the past few days I've never had people treat me like a jerk before until now [23:54] Xgates: Not your fault, I bring that out in people. [23:54] do not boast your time in this channel, you're making it worse [23:54] to answer your question, OF COURSE YOU NEED SMP FOR A MULTI-CORE PROC [23:54] We're getting very close to bash.org territory [23:55] noobfarm.org [23:55] veritos: http://www.noobfarm.org/ [23:55] such are the days of our lives :) [23:55] thrice`: I'm not boasting anything but I don't appreciate being treated this way either, ppl make mistakes and forget things.... [23:56] yes, bu tpeople need to learn to be resourceful too. there is a help option for every kernel configuration setting [23:57] I know there is a help I'm reading it [23:57] thrice`: everyone knows those are encrypted... sheesh [23:57] yeah [23:57] Xgates, ten seconds with the 'h' key, Google, and Wikipedia would give you your answer. Believe us, we want to help on the questions that are intellectually stimulating. [23:57] ll [23:57] veritos: ++ [23:57] jrt05 (n=jason@pool-72-69-224-120.chi01.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:58] oh yeah so stimulate our intellect as to why a properly configured kernel won't boot :) [23:58] simple, its not properly configured [23:58] That question has been answered. [23:58] a) it is not properly configured b) your bootloader config is off [23:58] according to my hardware specs it is [23:58] Xgates: your argument of "I promise it's configured right" isn't good enough; you are missing something [23:58] c) sunspots d) an illuminati conspiracy e) none of the above [23:58] oscurochu (n=jason@166-68.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Action: andarius votes c [23:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Let's see the error message at least. [23:59] yes I believe something is missing, but not according to the hardware specs of a Intel/Nvidia system they aren't [23:59] mancha: obviously it was an inside job. [23:59] I have just installed slackware. Quick question: How do I install a txz file via command line? [23:59] veritos: the error message is (iirc) a kernel panic over root= option. [23:59] Action: MLanden goes for f) buy one footlong get the second 1/2 price...:D [00:00] --- Wed Sep 30 2009