[00:00] I know I'm thinking should have taken this cisco job instead haha :P oh well its only for 6 months today they are just starting it. [00:00] nooper: nah, they're not the same, I would expect spam bots to find you before google does. :) [00:00] anyway they cant post anything in my page [00:01] Nick change: SpanishInquisitr -> CaptainNaCl [00:01] or POST [00:01] lf4: who knows, maybe it won't be so bad. [00:01] Nick change: CaptainNaCl -> NaCl [00:02] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:03] Take care,folks...Good luck in all life's endeavors [00:04] later, Take Care MLanden [00:04] firebird619: true :) I'll probably like it a little. Good thing to put on my resume. [00:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:04] later MLanden [00:04] lf4: indeed [00:04] so how has your day been firebird619 ? [00:04] lf4: been great. rainy and dreary outside, but day's been going great. [00:05] lf4: hasn't been any sunsets or anything to photograph, except some clouds. :( [00:06] Thats good to hear you had a great day even with the weather being not that good. :) hey clouds can be pretty cool to photograph just tricky :D [00:06] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009208012.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:07] heh, yeah they can. [00:07] that's why you just shoot a ton of pics of them. [00:08] yep haha the reason why one card can hold ~1800 pics ;) [00:08] yup [00:08] hi guys good nite (nite here). I've a poor and old laptop HP Compaq nx6105. When in console (runlevel 3) my monitor is flickering [00:08] night k_wolf [00:09] night k_wolf [00:09] It happened after tried to use the brightness control. :( [00:10] oh that stinks have you tried shutting it and opening it again so the screen turns completely off and back on? [00:11] Wow "in the year 2525"... Haven't heard this song for a long time. :) [00:11] lf4: http://www.imgur.com/2IUyh [00:12] not so hard. Just fade and normalize. It looks as low and raise the brightness [00:12] in AD 2101, war was beginning? [00:12] (oh, different song) [00:12] thats a pretty cool picture firebird619 :) [00:12] Its strange. I used to think that weird things just happens on X.. :) [00:13] lf4: thanks. As you can see, the darn power line got in the way somewhat. I shot that out my front window. [00:13] Urchlay: lol don't know that song off the top of my head. [00:13] firebird619: Hahaha I did not even see the powerline at the bottom I was to focused on the light from the sun and the trees :) [00:14] k_wolf: X has a mind of its own ;) [00:14] lf4: darn, shouldn't have said a thing. :P I like including the trees and stuff in the picture sometimes, then it's not just sky and clouds. [00:14] Is there any way to reset the video brightness control ? Or disable it? :\ [00:15] firebird619: yeah gives a reference to things if you have some object besides the sky :) [00:15] lf4: yeah, makes for a more interesting photo. [00:15] lf4: turned out pretty well shooting through glass. [00:16] hm. How many years have I been using Slackware without knowing that "less file.tar.gz" does exactly the same as "tar tvf file.tar.gz | less" only with less typing? [00:16] yeah very well indeed can't even tell. [00:16] Urchlay: haha [00:16] lol [00:17] Urchlay: you learn something everyday ;) [00:17] in this case learned something completely by accident [00:17] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:17] but I'll take what I can get [00:17] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-75-35-181-176.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:17] Hey thats the only way I learn. [00:17] The opps method works great! [00:17] s/opps/oops [00:18] sorta like the Zen method of navigation, when driving [00:18] find a car that looks like the driver knows where he's going, follow it [00:18] lol. Urchlay, you've done that before? [00:18] haha yep you'll never be lost... just not where you wanted to be. [00:18] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [00:18] did that just the other day, to find the exit of this giant movie theater/mall parking lot [00:18] lol [00:18] lol [00:19] i always look like i know what i'm doing when i'm royally lost [00:19] I followed a car once, which I thought to be my friend's [00:19] Urchlay: what if the car you choose to follow heads across state lines? Do you turn around? [00:19] Action: k_wolf is lonelly like a cow in the atic [00:19] WillieWanka1: in that case, you and me would still be driving around in circles in the damn parking lot [00:19] then they parked at a weird house, and I kept driving. [00:19] lol [00:19] firebird619: eh, well, I'm really not that persistent [00:19] thumbs: thats funny [00:20] lf4: embarassing [00:20] "I'm not lost, I just haven't found where I'm going yet" [00:20] lf4: they looked at me funny [00:20] like a stalker [00:20] I've dont that before... whats worse is honking and waving then going "not who I thought it was haha" [00:20] i once jumped on top of the trunk of a car, cuz i thought it was my friends [00:20] as long as they didn't call the cops on you [00:20] its was some old lady and she got scared [00:20] heh [00:20] haha [00:20] hahahahah [00:21] WillieWanka1: Did the cops show up? [00:21] i dk, i left in haste [00:21] firebird619: he didn't stick around long enough to find out [00:21] haha [00:21] WillieWanka1: what was your facial reaction when you saw her? [00:22] Conversation when she got back home "Some dummy jumped on my car. I called the cops but he got away." [00:22] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [00:22] "oh hai mum" ;) [00:22] lf4: deer in headlights look maybe. [00:22] lol [00:22] i'd have paid money to see her expression [00:22] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: "nobody cares" [00:22] pretty much [00:22] deer in the headlights of a train [00:23] lol BP{k} thats what I would have said or something along those lines. with a big cheesy smile and then run off. [00:23] that would've been manslaughter had she died of a heartattack :P [00:24] antler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGBD1KUz2RA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4royOLtvmQ [00:24] Oh man I just saw this video its funny the guys reaction... http://www.funlol.com/13216/Moove_cow.html [00:25] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:25] That was WillieWanka1 standing on the tracks [00:25] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [00:26] WillieWanka1: Was it her: http://www.inmagine.com/uny212/u19803437-photo or her: http://www.flickr.com/photos/87836658@N00/1048016370/ :P [00:26] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-200-51.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:27] hahaha [00:28] cueone (n=juan@ool-4574f241.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:28] agentc0re: ortiz talking smack about liddell? why?! one big reason why (for me) ortiz was not a great champion. [00:29] oh, i think i watched the wrong vid clip. lol [00:29] c. walken cowbell haha got it [00:30] antler: Ya, cowbell! have you seen gili? [00:31] agentc0re: holy smokes. i don't know what i did to end up at a tito ortiz interview [00:31] ha, no idea. [00:31] agentc0re: no. 'gili' is a movie? [00:31] Yup. [00:31] worth watching? [00:31] it's funny. [00:32] hahaha! strange bug! The video bright value was changing to its opposite value on its axis [00:33] antler: err, gigli. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Ut9ZemvGE [00:33] that scene is awesome. [00:34] hm...'gigli' i've heard of. but as soon as i found out afleck and j-lo were in it, i stopped wanting to hear. [00:34] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:34] antler: watch the scene. it's hilarious. [00:34] antler: It's honestly a really funny movie. [00:34] watching [00:35] firebird619: did you say you have or haven't messed with nted? [00:35] Urchlay: have, but just a little bit tonight. [00:35] just installed tonight. [00:36] it's on SBo [00:36] managed to import a midi file, it renders it as reasonable-looking notation, but there are no scrollbars! [00:36] export to PDF works as expected though [00:36] Urchlay: Hmm, I haven't tried importing a midi file, I'll try it. Also, MuseScore is nice. [00:36] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009208012.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [00:37] fatio (n=a@e179149218.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [00:37] Lol, your tongue would slap your brains out to get to it. hahahaha [00:38] night all:) [00:38] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [00:38] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:40] well have a good night everyone, :) I am going to mess around with this xbox configuration before I call it a night. [00:41] Urchlay: Well that's just odd. [00:41] lf4: good night [00:41] superGear (i=supergea@97-118-34-163.hlrn.qwest.net) left irc: [00:41] lf4 (n=KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: "leaving" [00:41] hm, no musescore on SBo [00:41] Urchlay: and stupid to not have scrollbars. [00:41] maciell_ (n=maciell@189.41.70.165) left irc: "Saindo" [00:41] Urchlay: It's on SBo under mscore. [00:41] ahh [00:42] nted also doesn't scroll with arrow keys, pageup/down, or vi cursor movement keys [00:42] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:42] not using a mouse w/scrollwheel, maybe that works [00:42] agentc0re: man christopher walken is a good actor [00:42] Walken is awesome [00:42] Oh what the heck, you know what nted does, it uses that little box in the toolbar with the arrows to switch pages. Yes, scroll wheel works for up/down movement. [00:42] ah. I won't be installing musescore: Requires Qt4. [00:43] Urchlay: Ah, ok. The only other one is Denemo. That you have to compile from source though. [00:44] antler: Yes he is! He is pure awesome. [00:44] Oops, never mind, denemo doesn't import midi. [00:44] nted is good enough for my purposes, it can export a PDF, one page of notation per PDF page [00:44] been a while since i've seen it, but i remember 'king of new york' being really good [00:44] agentc0re: ^^ [00:45] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:45] Urchlay: Ok, and yeah it uses that little box to switch pages of music and then scroll wheel for up and down. [00:46] WillieWanka1 (n=alexei@adsl-190-34-168.asm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [00:46] unless the author of the program wants to buy me a Kensington trakball with a scroll wheel, that's a really lame UI decision he made :) [00:46] agreed [00:47] wonder if I sent him a patch to do navigation with arrow keys, if he'd accept it [00:48] not sure, might be worth a try. [00:49] knowing me, I'll never get around to it [00:50] heh [00:51] did Walken do a whole lot of drugs, or is that just natural [00:51] think he was born that way [00:51] (can you imagine him making that face as a little kid?) [00:52] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:52] anybody seen nullboy? wondering how he made out today. [00:53] Old_Fogie: rejected [00:53] I think if you do see him, don't mention it (seems to be a sore spot) [00:54] damn [00:54] firebird619, no? really? you kidding? [00:54] Old_Fogie: not good. He got turned down and is not taking it well. [00:54] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-110.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [00:54] Old_Fogie: no, not kidding. [00:54] awe man [00:54] He came in here, said that, and left, hasn't been back. [00:54] Oh ouch. that sucks. [00:54] I say we go beat her up (just kidding FBI agents, just kidding) [00:54] hehe [00:55] hee hee, my dog is trained to moan when he hears me go 'awww' [00:55] Shit hell'z no we aint kidding. FBI agents we'll kick your touche.. watch out! [00:55] he just moaned for nullboy [00:55] lol [00:55] Old_Fogie: I'm hoping for his sake it's just because she is so shy, and will maybe come around. [00:56] Eh, dates don't always work out. Lose some, win one. that's how it works out in the end. [00:56] yeah. but like we told him, you gotta get out there and try try try. rejection's part of life, so better embrace it and learn to deal with it now. [00:56] prostitutes are good to get you by in times you can't get laid other wise [00:56] Unless you live in southern utah, you can have many wives. [00:56] lol [00:56] agentc0re, and sisters [00:57] man "I'd like to introduce you to my wife and sister"... to which replies the man's friend " but there's only one girl standing here" :) [00:57] go further south and they;re one and the same :P [00:57] hehe [00:57] The guy who we thought was my dad but ended up not being so, his dad was a polygamist. So when i was growing up i'd tell people that i have 8 grandma's, if i knew my dad. [00:58] you guys see that 'redneck wedding' tv show, man that is scary. [00:58] Turns out my mom was a whore, and we have no idea who he is. Oh well. [00:58] so you;re rorshach? [00:58] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:59] If i told you, then i might have to kill you ;) [00:59] If i was that is. [00:59] Or am i....? [00:59] o_O [00:59] heh. Rorschach == the original red-headed stepchild [00:59] Action: Old_Fogie hears the sounds of the fbi agents getting their notepad's and pencils out [00:59] lmao [01:00] I guess this wouldn't be the best time for my 'best thing about 29 year olds' joke then eh? ;) [01:00] too bad about nullboy tho. I was kind of hoping we'd have a mini series name "My Big Fat Slack Wedding" someday :) [01:00] the fact that there are 20 of them? [01:01] if you are persistant, you will find a girl, you just got to keep trying [01:01] Urchlay: Heh :) [01:01] twolf, or you save your money and buy one. [01:01] :) [01:02] nothing wrong with a Russian bride, $5k and you are set [01:02] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] What about nullboy? [01:02] I say he might need a tactic switch. Next time he should just whip it out right away. If she runs, at least you don't have to pay for the dinner. [01:02] I knew a guy who tried that he got scammed. wound up buying one from a diff country. in the end it worked out,but still, you gotta be careful. [01:02] lmao [01:02] agentc0re, although sometimes you get arrested. [01:02] parachutes (n=parachut@189.188.204.69) joined ##slackware. [01:03] :O [01:03] not in Nevada [01:03] Sometimes can sometimes be worth it. :D [01:03] you know, there's this Bulgarian girl I really like... not quite a Russian... and pretty sure she's not for sale [01:03] close to CA [01:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:03] agentc0re, actaully I did know a guy that'd go straight up to women he didn't know and just say 'wanna have sex' ; more times then not he got smacked or worse, but he did get some winner's. [01:04] I have paid for it on several occasions, not asshamed [01:04] Old_Fogie: did this guy go by the name of "vladimir"? cause I knew a guy who did that too... [01:05] nope wasn't his name, but the concept of doing that goes back decades I'd guess. [01:05] 1% Hit rate? [01:05] just ask 100 women... [01:05] he just did it, I was shocked. [01:05] redtricycle, nah he was more than 1% hit rate for sure. [01:05] I wouldnt say 50/50, probably 30/70 but still [01:06] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-158-206.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:06] he was a good looking guy tho (I'm secure in my manhood so I can say that :) [01:06] yeah, lot of people have the idea to do that, not so many of them really try it [01:06] Oh, I couldn't do that, it's just wrong on so many levels. [01:07] m__ (n=m@98.196.95.141) joined ##slackware. [01:07] but to watch it happen, was shocking to say the least. [01:07] one time, I was like "well how the heck am I gonna get home?" [01:07] buy a bride? [01:07] nah, the ask women thing [01:08] m__ (n=m@98.196.95.141) left irc: Client Quit [01:08] ahh, yeah, it will work more than you think, some women like that sort of thing [01:10] funny thing was the reactions. some would just flat out smack him or worse. then there were those, that just 'paused' you could even see it from across the room. you could litereally see the 'wheels turning' as they thought it over, heh. [01:10] hehe [01:11] some will smack you then drag you to the car [01:11] "hey now!" (in deep voice) [01:11] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [01:11] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] this guy I knew... we were walking around downtown & saw 3 kinda hot girls, so he was gonna go up & try that (ask them as a group I guess) [01:12] _guitarman_ (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left ##slackware. [01:12] Urchlay, did he ask? [01:12] you never know if you don't ask [01:12] but when he got close enough to read their t-shirts, he saw the shirts all said "We are HIV-positive" [01:12] ! [01:12] ouch [01:12] are you kidding? [01:12] nope [01:12] shoulda seen look on his face, comical to say the least [01:12] as some kind of joke? [01:12] I dunno, I didn't ask them why they were wearing those shirts [01:12] they had them shirts made up as a joke? [01:13] maybe, or maybe to avoid guys like us [01:13] yeah maybe. [01:13] hehe [01:13] or maybe it was true, I dunno [01:14] EcchiRanger (n=reversal@125.164.212.236) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:19] parachutes (n=parachut@189.188.204.69) left ##slackware ("chaup !!!"). [01:20] rhys (n=rhys@styx.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Anyone have any idea about sharing shares in samba? [01:22] hmm...wiki has an article on old people smell -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2-Nonenal [01:22] didn't catch the whole conversation, but from what you guys were saying, i thought someone got busted trying to pick up an undercover agent, thinking she's a hooker [01:22] eh? not what I was talking about [01:23] wait...what? [01:23] Action: edman007 reads backscroll [01:23] nullboy found a hooker instead? [01:23] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] roflfao [01:23] whoa. Samba == Hooker. [01:23] hell yes [01:23] lol [01:23] no hookers, no cops.... but that's what i thought until i scrolled up :P [01:24] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: "So long and thanks for all the fish" [01:26] anyone know how to make nested shares in samba? [01:27] Any of you guys able to access gmail right now? [01:27] alkos333: I am [01:27] through the regular web interface [01:27] alkos333: yep [01:28] Yes, I'm having problems with that for some reason. [01:29] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:30] hmm, oh...nullboy got rejected?!?! [01:30] Action: edman007 searches backscroll [01:31] edman007: yup, he did. [01:32] no, he did not [01:32] said she was not there [01:32] edman007: that was way earlier, then he came back. [01:32] oh [01:32] edman007: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13097 [01:32] log ^^ [01:33] damn, rejection logged forever on irc log [01:33] flat out fucking rejected [01:34] oh, i see... [01:34] anyone post it to noobfarm yet? [01:34] need to save the moment [01:34] thats when you ignore the pig flu warnings and get a good ole $10 mexican whore [01:34] lol [01:35] twolf: You know they're $10 how? :P [01:35] only from experience [01:35] ah, ok. [01:35] twolf: way before pig flu concerns I assume? [01:35] indeed [01:36] edman007: I don't think anyone has. [01:37] well someone should [01:37] edman007: I like your comment on noobfarm though: < edman007> tewmten, quite, we are learning how to get chicks [01:37] :) [01:37] why would you do that... [01:37] money talks [01:37] My toe today: http://imagebin.org/47352 not for the faint of heart ;) [01:38] chopp: I got my irssi with the joins/parts/quits in a split window on top now. That's much nicer, thanks for showing me that. [01:38] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:38] agentc0re, wtf did you do? meat grinder? [01:38] firebird619: np [01:38] Heh, had my nail removed because it was ingrown. [01:38] ingrown toenail [01:38] ? [01:38] ouch [01:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432815.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:39] I go back in a month or so to have both bigtoe nails permanently removed. [01:39] errr [01:39] wtf? [01:39] Having them remove it is quite the site too. [01:39] they don't grow back on their own? [01:39] agentc0re, I can do it for you for free [01:39] :D [01:39] I'm a vet, so it's free anyways for me :) [01:39] Thanks to your taxes, suckers! :P [01:40] how does it go so bad that you decide to remove two toenails? [01:40] I got a shot of valium in the arm when they removed my ingrown toenail, had a smile on my face the rest of the day, no chance of taking a picture [01:40] kabrau (n=anonymou@187-4-125-143.pvoce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:40] twolf: LOL [01:40] edman007: I've been getting ingrowns for years. [01:40] edman007: So they decided to set me up to surgically remove them. [01:40] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:40] they have a chance to grow back, but not much. [01:41] What i had done today, it will grow back. [01:41] they said they killed my big toenail, but now it grows back all funky, really thick [01:41] i had a nail fall off once... [01:42] crushed my finger really bad under a rock...and it fell off a few days later [01:42] Imagine a scraping tool going under your nail and then he put it behind the cuticle and popped the sucker off. Was pretty neat to watch, since i wasn't feeling a thing. [01:42] Ouch. [01:42] twolf: Ick, that sucks. [01:43] agentc0re, when my nail came off it did that by itself...just kinda lifted off [01:43] it bleeds every time I cut it, hopefull you won't have that [01:43] twolf: They told me to remove it permanently that they will have to remove skin all the way up to the bone. [01:43] agentc0re, ow [01:43] What will be interesting is that they just numb my toe for this. [01:43] it is kind of a combination of skin and nail [01:43] So again, i'll get to watch the whole thing. This time i'll video tape :) [01:44] kabrau (n=anonymou@187-4-125-143.pvoce702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left ##slackware. [01:44] youtube baby [01:44] twolf: Me either. [01:44] twolf: Totally! :) [01:44] when they shot me with valium I didn't even know they had touched me [01:44] Heh, when he poped the nail off i squirted blood all over him. He said that's never happened before and i just started to laugh. [01:45] ow dammit [01:45] that hurts to think about [01:46] THen i asked if i could take a picture, which is what you saw. [01:46] if it were me, I'd probably wait until after I barfed, then take the picture so everyone else can share the nausea... [01:47] hehe [01:47] HAHA [01:47] rhys (n=rhys@styx.STUDENT.CWRU.Edu) left irc: "Leaving." [01:47] maybe I wouldn't barf, the closest experience I ever had was getting a fingertop almost sliced off in a meat slicer [01:48] emergency room, stitches, no problem [01:48] meat slicers are mean, no mercy [01:48] 3 days later I go to the doc to make sure it's OK, when he takes off the bandages and I actually see it, I turn green and run for the crapper [01:48] I saw a 40 stich wound from one, dude came back to work to wash dishes [01:49] (though that might have been partly from not eating all day, plus drinking bourbon as a painkiller...) [01:50] hmm... he said he got rejected, but it might not have been that way at all. it's difficult to be objective if you're a person who does the liking. [01:52] indeed [01:52] prostitutes are good [01:53] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.142.248) joined ##slackware. [01:53] I dunno, if it were up to me though, I would leave him alone about it [01:53] Urchlay: agreed. [01:53] I agree [01:53] definitely [01:53] that includes not noobfarming when he came in here & said that... [01:58] lol, "did you know that to + too=for?". It's someones sig on a forum i'm reading. [01:59] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:59] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:00] agh [02:00] that's like an English triple-fault [02:00] lol [02:01] I think it's funny. [02:01] it kind of is [02:01] once I get over the initial nails-on-chalkboard reaction, anyway [02:03] hahah [02:03] nik (n=o40z@accweb.evergreen.edu) left irc: "leaving" [02:04] but then I'm the kind of guy who would probably dump a girl who sent me emails in text-speak [02:05] "i tried 2 call u 2day"... big turnoff [02:05] But eye did [02:05] depends on what she looks like [02:06] there is that [02:06] Action: edman007 agree with twolf [02:06] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [02:06] hi [02:06] Urchlay: I'm inz your dictionary, mizzpellin wr0dz! [02:06] hi arny. [02:07] i know a girl who is indian, excess v's, never uses a w... "i vl"=="i will" [02:08] she types that way? weird [02:08] yeah, if she's hot, doesn't really matter what she says or how she says it. so long as it's not "no, i won't do that." [02:08] lmao [02:08] And, i can cook that or clean that. [02:09] Urchlay, yes [02:09] lol [02:09] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] antler: That reminds me of this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqXi8WmQ_WM&feature=PlayList&p=6B04A167071BE39A&index=1&playnext=2&playnext_from=PL [02:09] and always shortens come to cum...she does not understand the mistake behind that... [02:09] hehheh [02:10] wow, thats a long link. [02:10] agentc0re, not even a full line [02:10] http://tinyurl.com/d4tmy6 [02:13] agentc0re: omfg that is Hilarious! genius. rofl [02:13] Heheh. [02:13] its old too [02:14] the way he moves/shakes at every chorus rofl [02:14] He has some really great stuff. Jon Lajoie is funny. [02:14] heh first vid i youtube i actually wanna dl and save [02:15] check out his channel, lots of good stuff. Everyday Normal Guy is good and His new one, I kIll people [02:15] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:15] Women are good for 3 things, ;) [02:16] Pedophile beard is funny. [02:16] With Rapist glasses. [02:16] agentc0re, do you count laundry as cleaning? [02:16] edman007: Who wouldn't? [02:17] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:17] Well gents, my beer is done and it's way past my bed time. Nite nite. [02:18] well get me some beer [02:19] mmm, beer [02:19] too bad there's none here unless I want to defile my palate with bud light :( [02:19] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:20] agentc0re: haha i know [02:22] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [02:23] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] Nick change: neonflux_^ -> neonflux [02:24] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:26] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [02:28] duryodhan (n=duryodha@nat/yahoo/x-8214ae924cbf10e5) joined ##slackware. [02:30] oh man this guy is super funny :D [02:32] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [02:34] did anyone here see ubuntu 9.04 ? [02:34] Action: duryodhan is not trolling , he has a point [02:34] its freakishly fast in startup .. any idea how they did it and how slackware can do the same ? [02:35] I thought they used Slackware's scripts to get the speed :) [02:35] as a slack user, I don't care if I get graphics or a stream of text during startup .. but I *do* care that ubuntu starts in 20-25 secs flat on a LIVE image [02:36] Old_Fogie: I seriously doubt that .. slackware by default takes a lottt of time to boot up [02:36] "by default" <--keyword :) [02:36] Old_Fogie: even if I do manage to speed it up , I won't get much below 20 secs sanely ... [02:37] my 866 box here is up to gdm in 30 sec [02:37] mishehu (i=mishehu@cshells.shavedgoats.net) joined ##slackware. [02:37] slackware never needs rebooting, so why care if it takes a while on those rare occasions...? [02:37] Urchlay: umm .. laptops ... [02:37] on a laptop, use suspend/hibernate [02:37] standby? hibernte? [02:37] do they work for you? [02:37] that never works for me in slackware [02:37] (assuming it actually works. Lots of them don't, I hear...) [02:37] :) [02:38] my bootup, measured with bootchart is 28 seconds. [02:38] or, get the extended-life battery for the laptop, leave it plugged in all the time except when being moved from one location to another [02:38] assuming you don't go anywhere that takes more than a couple hours to get there, you'll be fine :) [02:38] well *any* linux box needs tweaks for hardware, just some distro's are kind and try to accomodate for them, but they will all miss some module that doesnt behave right in some way shape form I find. [02:38] for suspsend I mean. [02:38] Urchlay: yeah .. thats good advice for laptop users .. "keep it plugged in" [02:39] hahaha [02:39] actually it is [02:39] I've found every box/laptop I ever tried, with whatever distro needs a tweak to the pm utils scrips to play nice. [02:39] can't count the number of times I've watched peoples batteries die on them because they can't be bothered to bring their power supply [02:40] I'd think you'd be wiser to figure out your suspend/hibernate issue with slackware for your laptop,then try and reverse engineer ubunut to port it to slackware, just my $0.02 [02:40] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:43] although... I did have a poorly-designed laptop and/or battery... the battery actually died from being left charging for 6 months straight. New ones still have that problem? [02:44] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:44] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.23.25) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:51] Ed`2` (n=user@93-43-36-221.ip90.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. 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[03:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat071.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: "If my calculations are correct, when this baby hits 88 mph, you're gonna see some serious shit." [03:18] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:18] Urchlay: any luck finding info about this battery thing ? [03:19] aperturefever: huh? what was I supposed to be finding out? [03:19] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:21] regarding the question about ruined laptop batteries that are left charging for a long time.. [03:21] morning all [03:22] eh, I was just asking whether new laptops do the same thing as my old crappy one [03:22] i have mine on power /running laptop and even if i dont see any battery led action i dont know if it is a good idea to leave it this way [03:22] give it six months or so and find out.. [03:22] you could always pop the battery out after it's been charging for a few hrs [03:22] morning frullet. How are you? [03:22] good mate yourself [03:23] russell_h (n=russell_@osuosl/staff/russellh) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:23] frullet: doing great. thanks. [03:24] russell_1 (n=russell_@140.211.166.34) joined ##slackware. [03:25] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:25] ...of course if you do pop the battery out to avoid melting it... you run the risk of losing the damn thing like I did [03:25] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:26] Urchlay: you lost the battery? [03:29] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] yes [03:31] 3 of them in fact, over the years [03:31] find any of them over the years? [03:31] (one was bad anyway though) [03:31] no [03:31] greetings [03:31] Hey The-Croupier. [03:32] How are you? [03:32] hola [03:32] firebird619 Urchlay hiya [03:32] im ok thank you... how about yourselves [03:32] I'm doing great, thanks. [03:32] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:32] just removed it.. what a nice excuse to get myself a nice ups ^_^ [03:32] Ed`2` (n=user@93-43-36-221.ip90.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "sssssshhhhhh" [03:37] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host58-24-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:42] nullboy is not here....;) [03:43] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) joined ##slackware. [03:43] The-Croupier: no, and, he got rejected. [03:43] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) left irc: "Saliendo" [03:43] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.224.123) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [03:45] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:46] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [03:46] ?! [03:46] ! [03:46] ! [03:46] what do you mean ... he got rejected? [03:47] The-Croupier: that's what he came here and said, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13097 <--log [03:48] The-Croupier: didn't really say much about it at all, so I don't know any more than that. [03:49] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) left irc: "leaving" [03:49] Girl-trouble? [03:50] firebird619, i just read the log..that was quick..that is the quickest hes been in and out... [03:50] :( hope he is ok... [03:50] we shall put him up..next time he is in ;) [03:51] The-Croupier: yeah, he's never in and out like that. [03:51] multimas, is there any other kind? [03:54] The-Croupier: I'd agree that "heart-ache" is the worst of all. [03:56] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:58] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) joined ##slackware. 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Have a good morning/afternoon/evening, take care everyone. [04:08] multimas, what is PTSD [04:08] post tramatic stress disorder [04:09] ach my machine locked up [04:09] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.192.220) joined ##slackware. [04:09] s/tramatic/traumatic [04:09] :( damn... think of the good experiences you HAD ... enjoy.. [04:10] anyway, later guys. See ya The-Croupier. [04:10] The-Croupier: well it's not like it's a concious decision now it it! [04:10] The-Croupier: besides, the circumstances of the breakup are really really _really_ annoying [04:11] The-Croupier: basically it ended because I had a cup of coffee with an ex-girlfriend. [04:11] hackeron (n=hackeron@gentoo/user/hackeron) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:12] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Good Night"). [04:12] Anyone using the new txz package format as provided by pkgtools now? 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[07:02] credo (n=36chambe@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:03] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-102-28.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:04] WOW where is everybody... no users,no gurus,..and above all...no noobs..:( [07:05] Karu (n=alch@78.28.74.89) joined ##slackware. [07:05] I am not a guru by far, but I can google [07:05] heh [07:05] Action: The-Croupier goes back to sleep [07:05] Karu_ (n=alch@78-28-74-89.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [07:06] this guy joined twice.. i think we should put some entrance-money from now on ;) after the first time you have to pay and such :p [07:09] everything seems connected really: noobs come in -> Dominian wakes up, noobs make question -> gurus tell them, then get mad at them (for not listening), then chris->points them to google, noob leaves or noob gets kicked/banned while at the same time Dominian adds them to noobfarm ;) AWSOME [07:09] Nick change: Karu_ -> Sisyphos [07:09] then channel back to sleep...till the next entrance [07:10] If you go to #ubuntu and ask questions like "Hey, what's a terminal", someone will actually answer you [07:10] heh [07:10] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:10] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:11] Arirang, now dont be mean... [07:11] "Can you use Windows command line interface in Ubuntu terminal", they will see that as a legitimate question and answer it [07:11] heh [07:11] that is just because they feel proud to know that [07:12] If you ask something like that in here, then it'll be more like kick/ban troll [07:12] heh [07:12] im sure not all ubuntu people in the channel are like that..probably new guys..or newbies would answer [07:13] ive never been in the ubuntu channel so i cannot tell for sure..but theoretically i wouldnt think so [07:13] Go in there and check it out for yourself [07:13] Arirang, the truth is that i do suggest ubuntu to people i dont like ;) [07:13] Action: The-Croupier hides [07:14] Arirang,that is just like saying go to hell...and i think ive been nice to you [07:14] ;) [07:14] Well, Slackware is highly newbie friendly, I mean everything pretty much works straight out of the box [07:15] everything pretty much works out of the box...is when you try to do more stuff..and actually use your computer that most OSes have problems... [07:15] even windows works out of the box ;) imagine [07:16] Action: The-Croupier is gone to check pcs around...:( [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-252.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-14-248.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] gbb577 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:18] Nick change: gbb577 -> wpv559 [07:19] The-Croupier, disable logs for #ubuntu if you go there or be prepared to have your disk space completely eaten in a matter of minutes ! [07:20] I have a blank page when visiting lwn.net from IE8 ='( [07:23] vdvluc (n=vdvluc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left irc: Client Quit [07:23] vdvluc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:25] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:37] kama (n=kama@host179-2-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:38] greetings from northern Canada:) [07:39] flashthebios, no i hvnt [07:40] Camarade_Tux, i woundnt doubt that... [07:40] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:40] ang (n=ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Client exiting" [07:40] Ilie (n=slacker@92.81.202.33) joined ##slackware. [07:41] The-Croupier, actually it sounds like a problem on lwn's side since it worked in IE7 (at least I think it did) [07:41] hitest hi.greetings. where in canada are you? [07:41] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:44] hackeron (n=hackeron@cpc2-seve19-2-0-cust712.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] hi jigp:) I live in Prince Rupert, BC which is quite close to Alaska, USA [07:45] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:47] what is BC hitest? :) [07:48] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:48] BC, stands for British Columbia. the province on the west coast of Canada [07:49] hitest what you do for living there? [07:49] school teacher:) [07:49] nice :) [07:50] ty:) [07:50] Shuren (n=Devilman@host155-143-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:50] what's your major hitest? [07:50] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-206209.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:51] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:51] Major? I teach grade 4/5, elementary school. what do you do for a living, jipg? [07:53] hitest : I do networking, cabling,setup pc,servers, sometimes plumbing.im all around. doing multi tasking job and a contractual worker.just an ordinary person here [07:53] what a sad life [07:53] but im thankful at least I can eat 3 times a day [07:54] I'm an ordinary person as well, nothing special, a regular working guy:) [07:57] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.31.200) joined ##slackware. [07:59] i'm getting tired of feds trying to cover up [07:59] so lame... [07:59] :P [07:59] where how when ? [07:59] ? [08:00] lol [08:00] im only joking guys [08:00] lol [08:01] hehe [08:02] Herman (i=1000@pc-20091230-o.fy.chalmers.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:05] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:05] there's a new netbsd [08:06] yeah just upgraded it :D [08:06] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [08:07] hey all [08:07] hughszg1 (n=hugh_2@218.82.196.3) left irc: "Leaving." [08:08] nachox: nice. haven't used that. how does it compare to freebsd? [08:09] fbsd > * [08:09] hitest, i have no idea, i dont use netbsd, only solaris and some linux at work [08:11] nachox: okay, ty:) I only run freebsd at home. Some linux at work as well [08:12] nice [08:12] lots of resources :) [08:16] Is anyone running slack current atm? - [08:22] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [08:23] compl3x: why [08:23] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [08:23] You have a problem? [08:23] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:24] Not really - Only been using slackware since the 12.2 release and never tried a current release of a distro before [08:24] would ideally like to upgrade.. [08:25] may the force be with you [08:26] frullet (n=Bob@124.170.56.230) joined ##slackware. [08:26] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:27] I run -current on my asus eeepc right now - sitting in my garden using wireless ;-) [08:27] what model eeepc? - purchased one about a month ago [08:27] alienBOB: nice:) [08:28] Upgrading to -current is not too hard if you use slackpkg to do it and read carefully. But, anything may break in -current without any warranty [08:28] I have an eeepc 1000h [08:28] haha same - white [08:28] Black here [08:28] took me a while to instal 12.2 on mine - finding all the wireless drivers etc [08:29] With -current, the wireless card is supported right out of the box [08:29] really? nice [08:29] I used the ralink driver from their site shortly but that would not work with WPA2, so I used ndiswrapper for a while [08:30] inflex (n=PLD@122-148-188-66.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Hey there, anyone recall which Slackware used glibc 2.3 ? [08:30] im on my desktop at the moment - is there anyway to upgrade without switching to kde 4? [08:30] When the 2.6.29.1 kernel was added to -current I noticed that there should be a rt2860 driver in there but it was not built by default. That is why -current got a second build of that kernel, to add the wireless driver [08:31] KDE4 is what -current has. KDE3 is gone [08:31] hmm shame :/ [08:31] sniff sniff [08:31] :) [08:32] jigp (n=jigpe@securabit/listener/jigp) left irc: "Leaving." [08:32] So if i did an upgrade - is the RaLink RT2561/RT61 chipset still supported? [08:32] slackfb (n=frb@p5B0ECE74.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:33] Why would it not be supported? [08:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432815.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:34] Ah, 9.1 uses 2.3 [08:35] alienBOB: wasn't sure. [08:35] The rt61pci driver is part of the kernel modules [08:35] Oh right [08:36] You guys actually like kde 4? [08:36] I do, very much so [08:36] I run it on this eeepc [08:37] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:37] With compositing desktop effects enabled even [08:37] Hmm Im not a fan [08:37] i started liking it until current moved up to 4.2 and it blew up my box [08:37] There's still XFCE [08:38] and fluxbox? [08:38] Yes [08:39] Hmm Would like to upgrade to current - I just have a feeling im going to end up breaking a lot [08:39] And I'm waiting for a group of fans to start a KDE3 preservation project... but sofar nobody seems to be interested in keeping KDE3 enough to spend time in maintaining Slackware packages [08:39] uyd423 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Nick change: uyd423 -> lor194 [08:40] compl3x: current runs fine so far [08:40] Oh hell might as well give it a shot [08:40] wpv559 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:40] I am going to give KDE4 a try when the next stable version of slackware is released. I like KDE 3.5.10 in 12.2 [08:41] yeah [08:42] anyone running current with an ati hd3800 or above video card? [08:44] alienBOB: Are there any guides out there for upgrading to current? [08:44] could only find 12.1 - 12.2 [08:44] same principle compl3x [08:44] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:45] goatdog: what about the kde steps? surley they would differ [08:45] glibso libs first, then pkgtool, then everything else [08:46] i've always wiped out previous kde versions and then reinstalled the new version of it [08:47] hmm [08:47] Damn kde4 :p [08:49] If I did a backup of my hole system - every directory and I didn't get on with current - could I reinstall 12.2 then restore the files - and in theory have the same old system running? [08:49] yes [08:49] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.68.188) joined ##slackware. [08:50] on the beauty of linux [08:50] compl3x: you didnt get on with current? wtf? [08:50] current is the dogs bollocks [08:50] Zordrak: not upgraded yet.. [08:50] oic [08:50] read wrong [08:51] Copland (n=Rob@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [08:51] Would symlinks copy over correctly aswell? ( to a NTFS drive? ) [08:51] kde4 does have some keen features. i've found it better to switch dolphin to konqueror as the default window manager. have to manually add shredder into the services though [08:51] hmm [08:52] compl3x, basically, anything you put on an ntfs partition, you can forget about them retaining their linux permissions, so keep that in mind. [08:53] I like dolphin. I have always disliked konqueror. Everybody has his/her own preferences :-) [08:53] nautilus! [08:53] Old_Fogie: cheers [= [08:53] :) [08:53] Action: Old_Fogie really likes krusader best (next to mc ofcourse) [08:53] time to find my other removable hardrive :/ [08:53] compl3x: if you upgrade to Slackware-current, we do expect that you know what you are doing and that you are able to fix your system if it breaks in the process [08:54] Slackware-current is a development release, anyone running it is basically testing a future Slackware release. That is a great thing and enables Slackware development to stabilize quickly [08:55] alienBOB: Yeah I understand that - thats why I am wanting to get involved [08:55] But, you will encounter bugs on the way [08:55] Good [08:55] Yeah I expected that [08:55] Anyone else finding that XFCE 4.6 settings manager sometimes doesn't seem to save it's settings to xfce's new registry? Or is it cuz I ran XFCE from a non-clean home? Seem's that it wants to give me only 1 desktop and not 4 sometimes, and some of my keybinds don't get saved across sessions. Heh, it could be cuz I built it for my 12.1 here too (old_fogie --unstable) [08:56] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] lor194 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:58] operating system no found ..is a hdd problem right?-- its an old pc with scsi hdd..i have another pc next to it exactly the same, could it be none installed os in it..or is it hdd problem ? [08:58] that's a windows error iirc [08:58] Old_Fogie, is that for me? [08:58] I think that means there once was windows, and windows is not messed up. It can be the bios not seeing the drive too tho. [08:59] The-Croupier, yes [08:59] Old_Fogie, i can see the hdd in bios [08:59] boot a live cd and see what's on the drive is bet bet. [09:00] Old_Fogie, i dont have livecds at work..got banned using any kind of linux related thing..even my mobile [09:00] :o [09:00] hmm, maybe a win 98 second edtioon boot disk is nice. [09:00] or barts bood cd is nice. [09:00] Old_Fogie, that way eliminate the hdd not working? [09:00] boot sequence in bios could be off, primary partition may not be set as bootable, or there may not be a kernel on the primary bootable partition The-Croupier [09:01] regarding 'banned for linux' .. all I can say that, is _now_ is a nice time to show your stubborn boss the benefits of linux use in house. [09:01] Old_Fogie: HawkPE [09:01] Zordrak, ?sorry? [09:01] Old_Fogie, yeah..i showed him lots of times..cos he will not have any of it [09:01] Old_Fogie: the best available (IMO) windowsy booty kinda tooly [09:02] its me that is banned from using it..i think he knows the benefits..and the drawbacks for most of it [09:02] mohni (n=alch@78-28-74-89.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] Zordrak, which one was that again? [09:02] Zordrak, ah ok never used it before, good to know, tx. [09:02] Karu (n=alch@78.28.74.89) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:02] mohni (n=alch@78-28-74-89.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:02] The-Croupier: HawkPE [09:02] ixq947 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:02] Nick change: ixq947 -> iss355 [09:03] boot cd with tools + memtest + slax + bartpe [09:03] HawkPE-39 *The* Windows (BartPE) + Linux (Slax-6) Live CD . [09:03] I still have no idea why a boss would ban linux use, if you can show it's merit, other than the guy is a maroon, or thinks it's all trojan's inside the cd, either way, what a terd he sounds like The-Croupier [09:03] as well as special bits for xp/vista recovery [09:03] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) joined ##slackware. [09:04] ver 4.2 is my current [09:04] Old_Fogie, he is a good boss... he just gets stuck up sometimes when hears from other ppl(win-admin) that linux has lots of hacking tools :( idiot win-admin scared the shit out of him [09:05] brb have to get this laptop to the lab... :( next to the broken windows pcs ;) [09:05] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left ##slackware. [09:05] sounds like he needs an explanation of 'ethical hacking' but whaterver [09:06] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:07] what is it with some windows admins? [09:07] Karu (n=alch@78-28-74-89.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.243.88) joined ##slackware. [09:08] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) joined ##slackware. [09:09] compl3x, fear of obsolescence, kick backs, lazy, hubris, take your pick (or all of the above) I suppose. [09:09] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.87.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] haha [09:09] you think it's safe to run 2.6.29.2 on a simple desktop system, yet? or should i wait for .3 or maybe .5? [09:09] I can hardly think of one reason why a home user, business user, or business, or gov't couldn't find a reason for linux somewhere in their artillery. [09:09] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] Considering they probably own a few devices that run it - without them even realising [09:10] paissad_ (n=paissad@190.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:10] flat our rejection of it, just seem's so ... dunno I can't wrap my head around the justification they might have. [09:10] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-150-37.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [09:10] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:11] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [09:11] Old_Fogie: netbsd 5.0 is out weeeee *<:D [09:11] aperturefever, yeah man I got it loaded already. well most of it. still have some tweaks. [09:11] sweet :D [09:11] it's *very* fast. [09:12] Old_Fogie: nice! faster than freebsd? [09:12] this apears to have hung - cp -r *?[!media] / /media/backup/ [09:12] Anyone see a reason for it - or is is possibly my disk speed is shocking [09:12] Copland_Vista (n=Rob@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [09:12] hitest, mmm, seem's to be yes. could be that I have much less files installed, so seek time is less. [09:13] not by far, but faster. but it's faster than the 4 was. [09:13] greetings guys...thanks for before... [09:13] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [09:13] Old_Fogie: ty:) Sounds good:) [09:13] hitest, I'm switching off freebsd and going with netbsd. I like that you can gpg verify the packages. I am in the tin foil hat brigade you know :) [09:14] lol [09:14] the freebsd installer is more feature rich tho than netbsd is. [09:15] t0f: 29.1 [09:15] netbsd easy to dual boot with slack using lilo? freebsd does that very well [09:15] only issue I have with freebsd, and netbsd really is, the settings for your /etc/rc.conf don't always 'stick' from when you install and reboot into the actual system. but I have my configs saved any who, but it's just a point of mention. [09:15] t0f: if it's good enough for Pat, it's good enough forc me [09:15] .1 is better atm, Zordrak [09:15] running cp -r *?[!media] / /media/backup/ and just got this error cp: reading `proc/sysrq-trigger': Input/output error, still running but hasn't apeared to copy a single byte since.. [09:15] Any suggestions? [09:15] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-180-110.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:16] hitest, I have my bsd's on their own box no linux. since file system read/write's between them is 'touchy' to put it kindly. [09:16] rsync over the lan makes up for that lack of compatibility between the two. [09:16] compl3x: leave proc alone [09:16] compl3x: rsync --exclude proc [09:16] maybe i stick with 2.6.28.9 for a while longer [09:16] ah, that makes sense! I do have a testing box that I could try netbsd on [09:16] Zodrak: cheers, was assuimg that [09:17] hitest, yea, I mean they both write to ntfs..but that's pointless, you lose all your perm's. [09:17] Zodrak: can rsync do multiple directory exclusions? [09:17] yeah, that sucks [09:17] I really wish linux and bsd would get their compatibility together. [09:17] about losing the permissions [09:17] compl3x, yes [09:17] compl3x, and single files too. [09:17] compl3x: "can rsync *" == TRUE [09:18] Nick change: MakubeX -> SaGa [09:18] Cheer [09:18] cheers* [09:18] hitest, but both of them support nfs , so you can mount your home over to the other box too. [09:18] the thing I dislike about freebsd is the lack of native flash support, running linux emulation w flash 9.x sucks [09:19] tho, I've never done the nfs thing. [09:19] the thing i dislike about freebsd is it is not slack.. and if i was using it, i would not be running slack on that box and i wouldnt know why [09:19] fact [09:20] Zordrak: that is why i typically dual boot slack/freebsd.....slack has many features that freebsd lacks [09:20] Slackware come's with a *lot* more fit and finish and sane customization's by Mr. V then netbsd, or freebsd yea Zordrak I could see that at first. [09:20] slack ftw [09:21] Copland (n=Rob@209.241.118.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:21] so when i start to really hate freebsd i boot into slack:) [09:21] He put's a lot of good sane tweaks in there for you for xterm's, bash, console color's, screen, etc. I like the stock issue config's in slack. [09:21] hitest: why do you have to wait until then [09:22] hitest: why ever boot bsd? [09:22] curiosity mostly [09:22] something fun to do [09:22] but you talk about it like bsd is your day to day and slack is just for partying [09:23] not really [09:23] I wonder why the bsd's stay away from customizing config's at all. Well they want to keep them all stock and chaned by the admin, it makes sense, but you better have a copy of your config's to make life easier the next time around,heh. [09:23] first time setup of bsd's, yeah that's a lot of work. [09:24] well, if you want them tweaked the way you get em' in Slack, most other lin distro's. [09:24] Zordrak: it depends on my mood. it is hard to convey on irc how I uses my computer. slack is and always will be my main OS. [09:24] use [09:24] i've been running slack for about 10 years now, and the only thing i still hate is a fresh install. you know, creating a custom kernel config [09:25] yeah [09:25] t0f, you know what helped me a ton for boxes I never seen before is 'lshal' [09:25] t0f: i take pat's generic and make a couple of tweaks [09:25] i'm a relative newcomer running linux, unix for 7 years [09:25] Old_Fogie, right now i am sure that some windows admins are STUPID [09:26] t0f, actually "lshal |grep driver" [09:26] "some" ?:p [09:26] flashthebios (n=flashthe@206.Red-88-5-64.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:26] helps to find which IDE driver I got to make the initrd with. [09:26] i really think that that fact scares off a lot of m$ converts :( [09:27] well, the biggest problem is people who think they *need* a custom kernel in the first place. [09:27] t0f: don't the Slackware kernels give you what you need? Especially the generic kernel? [09:27] he kept complaining to me that the hdd was faulty and that i should check the drive and so on and so forth... the problem was..scsi hdd-nopowercable connected to it. how stupid is that [09:27] haha [09:27] most other distro's, people use the stock, ubunut, debian, the list goes on and on. [09:27] i run older systems (p3, p4) and want all the speed i can muster [09:27] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Action: Zordrak likes to draw Venn diagrams where windows admins and morons fully overlap and MCSE qualified people overlap into the other circle [09:28] :P [09:28] time to grab the eeepc [= [09:28] t0f, right but that is "optional" to "speed up the pc" it's not required to build a new kernel, so that shouldn't stop people from trying Slackware. Now, if we were talking 'crux' where you make your own, well that's diff. [09:29] Zordrak, underestimating microsoft and windows administrators got is in the situation we are now [09:29] Old_Fogie: thanks for the "lshal |grep driver" tip [09:29] alienBOB: i always add just enough into the generic to remove the need for an initrd and try to trim the fat elsewhere where i can be arsed [09:29] t0f, your welcome :) [09:30] 5 more minutes, and this netbook is gonna power off. heh, I'm "excercising" the battery. [09:31] next, teach it how to swim... [09:31] I hate to crash it, but gotta do it. [09:31] Zordrak, haha [09:31] vhann_ (n=vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Hello [09:32] hey [09:32] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.111) joined ##slackware. [09:32] vhann_ (n=vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) left irc: Client Quit [09:32] vhann (n=vhann@vl102-res-out.collegeahuntsic.qc.ca) joined ##slackware. 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I have not tested bluetooth yet (no device to talk to) [09:39] dissocia1ive (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-150-37.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:39] Zordrak, EVERYTHING uses the kernel, when you have problems with for example a ppp connection we cant rule out any kernel problem by testing it ourselves because you recompiled yours [09:40] alienBOB, dont know if you use it or not, but I've been using 'wxcam' for the netbook's , it's pretty good. [09:40] alienBOB: cheers [= [09:40] untz [09:40] http://iku.tnl.jp/~matsuura/o_O.mp3 [09:40] The volume/mute, the screen switcher buttons and the four buttons below the display are enabled using some ACPI scripts I uploaded as a package [09:41] Already got them lying around somewhere - think they were yours anyway :p [09:41] nachox: Just so i dont offend you im sticking you on a temp plonklist.. im having a very bad week here and it wont take much more of this conversation to make me start getting insulted and aggrivated.. see you in a week or so [09:41] ... [09:41] compl3x: I had some ACPI scripts for my ThinkPad on my site before. I have a new set now, for the eeepc [09:41] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Connection timed out [09:42] suit yourself [09:42] alienBOB: Oh right , I had some scripts lying around for them - can't remember where I found them tho' [09:42] grumpygrad (n=ali@s1503.it.kth.se) left irc: "Leaving" [09:42] afternoon folks [09:42] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/eeepc-acpi-scripts/ [09:42] wotchers BP{k} [09:42] BP{k}: sup, papa smurf [09:43] alienBOB: Cheers buddy [09:43] Nick change: SaGa -> MakubeX [09:43] Old_Fogie: I tested the webcam with kopete and vlc. I still have to install skype and a good SIP softphone [09:43] Old_Fogie: wotcha. [09:44] Zordrak: not much, catching up with stuff, watching a Dutch News transmission. [09:44] alienBOB, yes kopeete is great for testing yup. the wxcam is nice to record videos of you dancing in your underwear to post to the internets I find :) [09:44] does a symbolic link from say, '/data' to a different hard disk prevent 'umount /data'? [09:45] After two hours in the garden with the eepc on wireless and max screen brightness (because of the sun) and playing an icecast audio stream, the battery still has hours left ;-) [09:45] BP{k}: terrible. We watched it happening live this morning [09:45] alienBOB, very nice. [09:46] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.68.188) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:46] alienBOB: yeah :\ Good thing there is stuff like: http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/ [09:47] alienBOB: I was impressed with my battery life too, then I install eeebuntu for time being.. not impressed. [09:47] ubunut ..hah fail [09:47] lol [09:47] I remember the first time I had conky on an eee, the battery estimate was completely wrong and it was actually rate/remaing so at 0% battery it would have told us w had an infinite battery time left ;p [09:47] Yeah - used it for compatibility [09:47] rotfl ubunut! [09:47] alienBOB: would you mind running pystone and posting the results? [09:47] compatibility? with what a pile of stinking poo :) [09:47] Nick change: shinichi -> matsuura [09:48] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@static062038244013.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [09:48] Pile of stinking poo too right - but family being able to use it [09:48] slackware 12.2 supports everything on an eee 1000 [09:48] i'm thinking of getting a netbook to use as a light server [09:48] Canrade_Tux - didn't for me.. [09:48] cherife (n=cherife@121.0.29.226) left irc: "leaving" [09:48] Im going to run slack current on it later tonight tho [09:48] I dunno, got all 8/10 netbooks on Slackware and two on debian lenny, the family here seems' fine ( I'm breaking your stones btw but yea slack and debian onmine) [09:49] compl3x, what was missing ? [09:49] Camarade_Tux: Support for my wireless, support for most things tbh - but as AlienBOB said current supports these so Im going to give it another shot [09:49] The wireless on the 1000h is only supported as of -current [09:49] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [09:49] jumperboy, they sure can for that. compiling is slower than desktop tho [09:50] grissiom (n=grissiom@221.221.29.224) joined ##slackware. [09:50] alienBOB, what makes -current "compatible" just wondering. [09:50] more recent kernel I guess [09:50] Old_Fogie: just web, maybe mail, samba [09:50] jumperboy, oh it's fine for that sure [09:50] Old_Fogie: how do you like Lenny? I'm running some Lenny boxes, I like the netinstall iso. [09:50] Old_Fogie: the kernel indeed [09:50] jumperboy, they're *alot* stronger than people give em' credit for. [09:51] Old_Fogie: with the builtin battery, i can ditch the UPS! [09:51] hitest, I like lenny it's a solid os. [09:51] agreed [09:51] it's no slackware, but it's my second fav linux. [09:51] yes [09:51] mine as well [09:51] hitf am i supposed to choose between a nehgear gs105 and a zyxel gs105a.. its pimpossible [09:51] Old_Fogie: but is there any way to get it to boot automatically after a power outage/battery drain when the power's restored? [09:51] Old_Fogie: it seems most laptops don't support that [09:51] alienBOB, ah, yeah 12.1 would die on my netbooks installing due to the wired nic. I guess it's "udev" I dont know. I have to have 12.2 on them, but the wired nic still doesn't work, and I need a kernel upgrade. [09:52] jumperboy, mine doesn't, I have acer aspire one's here. [09:52] jumperboy, you need a bios setting for that [09:52] Old_Fogie, which NIC ? [09:52] I cant think of the module name off top of my head to be honest. [09:52] Camarade_Tux: yeah, i know, i set that on my servers, but i haven't seen the option on any laptop bios [09:53] bbiab.....breakfast:) [09:53] Gatto (n=Romeo~@host125-17-dynamic.45-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:53] jumperboy, yeah, laptop bioses nearly always suck [09:53] my power only goes out when i'm on vacation :P [09:53] Action: Camarade_Tux wants linuxbios... :D [09:53] it's some varieant of a prior chipset, and that's the issue. it's a 'tad' diff enough to make slack 12.1 die booting it up. you gotta load the install cd.,chroot, and blacklist the module, quit a pita. [09:53] I wish I could get 12.1 to boot, that'd be less work for me, but oh well. [09:54] having a 12.1 and 12.2 repo is lot of work, heh [09:54] Old_Fogie: how's the build quality on the Acers? I haven't bought Acer for years, they were always so crappy (like Packard Bell) [09:55] i know most netbooks are made in the same factory in China... [09:55] jumperboy: not actually ;) [09:55] jumperboy, I love my acer really it's nice. It's akward to get used to, the touchpad buttons on side, but you get used to it. I *dont* like having to hit "fn + pg-up/pg-down" to get "home or end key" use tho, that's annoying. [09:56] but the quality is superb, very well built. [09:56] well, so far :) 6 months' no issue on 10 of them yet. [09:57] I use home and end keys alot, and having to add 'fn' to get them is annoying tho, I'm still not used to that. [09:57] jumperboy: I have the new 10.1" and i love it. Only thing is it needs to run on a 2.6.29 kernel to have everything work correctly since it's so much newer. [09:58] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [09:59] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) joined ##slackware. [09:59] moss23 (n=adam@32.243.broadband5.iol.cz) joined ##slackware. [09:59] please is there anybody with D-link DSL router who uses linkedin.com ? [09:59] anyone have a pystone number for their netbook? 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[10:06] read UPGRADE.txt and CURRENT_WARNING.txt [10:06] compl3x: you probably mean patches directory [10:06] compl3x: and NO. it's not that [10:06] :) [10:06] spiki: sorry? :S [10:07] thought you were meaning patches directory. i'm wrong it seems [10:07] Intel or Marvell for GigE [10:07] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [10:08] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) left irc: Connection timed out [10:08] snL20, I always messes the names ;) [10:08] So I can apply the 12.1 - 12.2 rules for current . [10:11] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [10:12] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.92.15) left irc: "leaving" [10:14] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [10:15] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [10:16] ph|ber (n=phiber@mail.synergies4u.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] RealTek ftw ;x [10:18] whatever works ftw :) [10:18] moss23 (n=adam@32.243.broadband5.iol.cz) left irc: "Leaving" [10:19] yes [10:19] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.87.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [10:20] Moving tomorrow ftw! [10:20] :> [10:21] My last input on the topic: Intel > Marvell > * > nVidia [10:21] Anyone suggest a better way of downloading the current packages? [10:21] compl3x: than.... [10:21] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:21] ftp [10:21] alienBOB's mirror script [10:21] Zordrak, my 3com / tornado on my mobo died, glad I have the nvidia on there , it's still working (albeit slower than the 3com was) [10:21] which even builds isos for you [10:21] zx10k1 (n=nobody@unaffiliated/zx10k1) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:22] Zodrak - location?.. [10:22] zodrak - dw [= [10:22] www.slackware.com/~alien [10:22] the 'infamous' mirror-slackware-current.sh script, yup that's a good one. [10:23] you cant just write manufacturers like that, it depends on model ;/ [10:24] capone: in each case i refer to the most prevalent models... [10:24] wich are? [10:24] in networking there are very few diff chips [10:24] otomh i cant remember [10:24] honestly only thing that always worked reliably for me was realtek 81xx [10:24] goatdog (n=goatdog@tn-76-7-133-147.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [10:24] the marvell is 881008 or sthg [10:25] i had 100 dollar worth marvel gigabit cards, 5 of them, and they all were piece of shit [10:25] intel is their server gigT s-tuff [10:25] only with new kernel they started 'sorta' working so i dont have to force mac address anymore [10:25] and only on specific motherboard [10:26] ask911 (n=Blue@70.64.19.222) joined ##slackware. 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[10:30] no [10:30] alkos333 (n=alkos333@nmd.sbx10826.dekalil.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:30] use it for porn mainly [10:30] zacharym: the one with the creative card in it, yes [10:30] haha [10:31] matsuura: I heard you were into bukake [10:31] zacharym: but about 1 game every 18 mths [10:31] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: "Leaving" [10:31] zacharym: no, not really [10:31] matsuura: :D [10:31] zacharym: your sources are gay [10:31] D: [10:31] I'm going to have a talk with them, giving me false information.. them jerks [10:31] seriously [10:31] I can bet you they are into it [10:31] trying to get all of man involved [10:31] that's gross [10:32] D: [10:32] they just confirmed it [10:32] they are not my friends anymore [10:32] gtfo [10:32] inflex (n=PLD@122-148-188-66.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) left ##slackware ("wrong button"). [10:32] olefowdie (n=quassel@adsl-232-1-209.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:33] lol [10:33] what a waste of life [10:33] zacharym (i=zmisc@adsl-69-209-115-18.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) left ##slackware (":("). [10:34] iss355 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] sabayonuser (n=sabayonu@81.230.89.92) joined ##slackware. [10:37] sabayonuser (n=sabayonu@81.230.89.92) left irc: Client Quit [10:38] stupid bandwidth cap during the day time :/ [10:39] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.99.49.35) joined ##slackware. [10:42] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) joined ##slackware. [10:45] Ilie (n=slacker@92.81.202.33) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:47] compl3x: what's a bandwith cap ? [10:47] :-) [10:47] snL20: I have a certain amount of bandwith in the day time - something like total of 4 gig per month - but after 6PM its free till 6AM [10:48] snL20: where they put a bottle cap on your modem [10:48] acidchild: lol seriously :] [10:48] compl3x: yeah, we dont have that :] [10:49] credo (n=36chambe@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [10:49] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77830.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] haha [10:49] greetings [10:49] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: "Leaving" [10:49] hi slackytude:) [10:49] y0 hitest [10:50] :) [10:50] how are oyu, man? [10:50] this is some kick-ass coffeee [10:50] you [10:50] =]]]] [10:50] hitest, Im doing fine, thx ^-^ free day! how about you? [10:50] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:50] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@67-54-166-220.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] nix_chix0r: :) [10:51] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [10:51] slackytude: I am well, ty:) its a sunny day and it is almost friday:) [10:51] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) left irc: "Leaving" [10:52] still cloudy here :( no rain tho [10:52] hitest: awesome feeling aint it ;P sunny for the first time in a week here [10:52] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) joined ##slackware. [10:52] compl3x: yeah, it is awesome indeed. it mostly rains here on the north coast so I enjoy the sun while it is here:) [10:53] hitest: out of interest, what country are you in? [10:53] slackytude: hope the sky clears soon in your location:) [10:53] compl3x: BC, Canada [10:54] sounds nice :P [10:54] Uk here.. not nice weather often [10:55] on the coast near Alaska. yes. it is a small fishing community, lots of deer, wildlife [10:55] wolves, eagles [10:55] acidchild, hey, yesterday i got the baby a massive stuffed penguin:D [10:55] :p [10:55] hitest: and bigfoot? :p [10:55] ha-ha [10:56] haven't seen him yet:) [10:56] nix_chix0r: yoooooooooooooooooo [10:56] shame ]= [10:56] nix_chix0r: haha [10:56] :p [10:56] :) yeah [10:56] can i have one? [10:56] :D [10:56] 20bucks and you can:P [10:56] i have a job interview today [10:56] hitest, so do I [10:57] nix_chix0r, good luck [10:57] nix_chix0r: good luck, go get em:) [10:57] yeah, seriously [10:57] i will... big money [10:58] nice [10:58] hells yeah [10:58] how much? :o [10:58] money .. thats something i don't hear often :/ [10:58] I need big money :/ [10:58] disability specialist. 45k a year [10:58] compl3x: o_o [10:58] o_o [10:58] shouldn't you get more? O_o [10:58] it's not a goverment job [10:58] it's a really small company [10:58] Zenton (n=user@212.166.192.129) joined ##slackware. [10:58] ah, I see [10:58] 45k a year? :/ [10:58] stil pretty win [10:58] small companies are nice [10:58] I want 45k a year [10:59] straterra: go get it then sir [10:59] :O [10:59] monday -friday 8-4 weekends, free medical ect. [10:59] I can't. [10:59] Zenton (n=user@212.166.192.129) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [10:59] Srbo (n=Srbo@88.128.43.224) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [10:59] have to put the baby in daycare but for that i would. kinda sick being at home. i have no real life adult conversations and when he gets home he's too tired:P [11:00] pretty soon i'll be a working, feeding, cum dupmster:)) [11:00] o.O [11:00] hahaha [11:00] nix_chix0r: I understand :( [11:00] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-229-100.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] credo_ (n=36chambe@80.233.147.145) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:00] I go to school all day, come back, stay up all night, go to school the next morning [11:00] no converstaion [11:00] that god for the interweb [11:00] or something [11:00] school and work for me [11:00] i say that cause i got the IUD yesterday at my 6week checkup. baby free for 5years i know he's gona want it:)) [11:00] minus all the kids and cumdumpsters of course [11:01] :) [11:01] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [11:01] it'll be so nice to see people and get paid to talk to disabled folks [11:02] not my line of work [11:02] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:02] speaking of jobs, there is an opening for SAP developer. I'll go visit them on 15th. They have open door day or something [11:02] did you know that a sex offender that's disabled still qualifies for social security and all that jazz. but if you get shot during a robbery or some felony where you end up disabled you get nothing. so it's ok for this one guy that called who was having sex with his disabled daughter to get ssi [11:02] Srbo (n=Srbo@p4FE90BFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:03] just the usualy sensible law [11:03] the judge goes.. even though i think you're the scum of the earth and wish that you'd die horribly i have to grant you the money [11:04] russell_1 (n=russell_@140.211.166.34) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:05] lol [11:05] thats retarded [11:05] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [11:06] nix_chix0r: whoa that sucks:( [11:06] haha [11:07] not qa big surprise people that don't need ssi get ssi anyways [11:07] another lady was shackin up with her 8year old boy... i dont even see how that could happen [11:07] later slackers:) off to work [11:07] balls probally haven't even dropped [11:07] anyone have an estimate size of slackware-current? [11:07] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: [11:08] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [11:08] compl3x: why not just check the directory size [11:08] kitche: doens't say on any of the ftp mirrors [11:08] nix_chix0r - thats messed up [11:08] compl3x, totally, at least my job would be to screen all these fucked up people [11:09] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [11:09] compl3x: believe it's over one gig [11:09] the http mirror says its ~4gig [11:09] damn [11:10] compl3x: i used slackpkg to upgrade 12.2 to current on a vm, no major problems so far [11:10] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) joined ##slackware. [11:10] hopefully alienbobs script only download the packages [11:10] makerc (n=makerc@200-158-24-149.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:11] jumperboy: nice [11:11] compl3x: picked a mirror, ran slackpkg update, slackpkg install-new, slackpkg upgrade-all [11:12] kernel & everything (run lilo afterwards if it doesn't prompt) [11:12] hmm - didn't know you could do it like that [11:12] pihentagyu (n=doeppjak@89.137.118.128) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:12] is that all you did? [11:12] compl3x: yep [11:13] jumperboy: got any tips for doing it that way? [11:13] compl3x: pick a fast mirror in the mirrors file [11:13] compl3x: 1) read the documentation for -current 2) slackpkg.conf(5) 3) slackpkg(8) [11:14] Portmapper2004 (n=Port@188.52.210.249) joined ##slackware. [11:14] compl3x: i've even had it interrupted (wireless kicks out) and have been able to resume after ctrl-c [11:14] haven't switched to a generic kernel, yet [11:14] cheers guys - can I use slackpkg with the packages pre-downloaded? [11:15] compl3x: yes. [11:15] hmm seems like the best option right now - cheers again [= [11:15] compl3x: yes [11:15] compl3x: that's the way I use slackpkg. I keep a couple of local mirrors. and the various boxen here point slackpkg to the localmirror. [11:16] Srbo (n=Srbo@p4FE90BFC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: "Leaving" [11:21] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:21] Can't see much in the man pages - how would I set a local mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors? [11:22] vi /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [11:23] I think you'll need the "cdrom" notation for a local mirror [11:23] yeah I assumed so - wasn't sure if it would work tho' [11:24] compl3x: I use this: file://home/ftp/mirrors/slackware.com/slackware-12.2/ [11:24] cheers ill try that instead [= [11:25] xve176 (n=Blue@70.64.19.222) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:25] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:27] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:28] kwn324 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] Nick change: kwn324 -> qup429 [11:29] alienBOB, hi [11:31] alienBOB, have you an idea about the future of ruby language and the shell scripting ? [11:32] Kerio2004 (n=Port@94.99.49.35) left irc: Connection timed out [11:32] The_Faithful: I do not use ruby and I use & write shell scripts every day. Other than that, I do not understand your question [11:33] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:33] #ruby [11:34] alienBOB, ok, I wanna said if ruby can substitute perl in the future [11:34] especially in administration tasks [11:35] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) joined ##slackware. [11:35] and if you as leaders of Slackware are interested about that [11:35] The_Faithful: I am not interested at all in ruby. But if you want to use it yourself, sure why not? [11:35] The_Faithful: ruby is dead, because its performance sucks ;) [11:35] The_Faithful: you and ruby may leave and fornicate each other into eternitf... it's a pointless fad of a language that will never come close to Perl's greatness [11:35] http://pragdave.blogs.pragprog.com/pragdave/2009/04/twitter-should-move-away-from-ruby/comments/page/2/ [11:36] s/eternitf/eternity/ [11:36] twitter did move away from ruby, afaik [11:36] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: "leaving" [11:37] Scala is a much better language and you can reuse all your Java code (if you have any) with it as well [11:38] but as a web developer there is no language in the world rich and flexible than Ruby [11:38] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [11:38] I tried perl and php but now I am passing to ruby because it's the best [11:39] Good for you. IT is included in Slackware so you won't have any problems using it [11:39] alienBOB, I ask this question because I wanna program with a language that a lot of people can understand.. [11:39] The_Faithful: why [11:39] try java... [11:39] :P [11:39] alienBOB, I am sure about that :) [11:39] nachox: Nava :/ :p [11:39] Java* [11:40] nachox: or scala, a better java than java :) [11:40] alienBOB, to help and participate in community development [11:40] or python, thats a cool languge [11:40] The_Faithful: if mass understanding with scripting is what you want, you need perl, php or python [11:40] Am I the only guy still here using C :/ [11:40] "yes" ;-) [11:40] haha ohwell :p [11:40] personally i hate python... but i dont argue that it's well undurstood [11:40] I am talking about script languages [11:40] compl3x: no, C/C++/asm ftw ;) [11:40] spiki (n=spiki@linette.net.yu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:40] psychicist: Too right :) [11:40] hughszg (n=hugh_2@218.82.196.3) left ##slackware. [11:41] C++ is torture [11:41] python ftw! [11:41] The_Faithful - I am aware of that- just made me think [= [11:41] Zordrak, that's right but in the future it will be Ruby the most interested [11:41] The_Faithful: given your requirements you have two choices, perl or python. I vote perl [11:41] The_Faithful: no. [11:41] The_Faithful: it wont. [11:41] C++ , stl - templates and the lot - don't get me started :/ [11:41] eh, c++ [11:41] still better than java [11:41] oh true [11:42] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:42] Action: slackytude wonders what scala is [11:42] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [11:42] I don't think rubty will ever replace perl or python [11:43] Zordrak++ ^_^ [11:43] Zordrak, I can give you an example : actually the best web framework in the world is Ruby on rails (RoR) and it was wrote n ruby.. second : you will never find a script language easy and flexible than that , example : [11:43] # Ruby knows what you [11:43] # mean, even if you [11:43] # want to do math on [11:43] # an entire Array [11:43] Channel flood from The_Faithful -- kicking [11:43] cities = %w[ London [11:43] The_Faithful kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:43] The_Faithful (n=Mak@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [11:43] alienBOB: i dont just agree, i think anyone with the opposing opinion must have been dropped on their head a lot as a child [11:43] Amsterdam [11:44] Berlin ] [11:44] visited = %w[Berlin Oslo] [11:44] [11:44] puts "I still need " + [11:44] "to visit the " + [11:44] "following cities:", [11:44] The_Faithful, please dont flood [11:44] The_Faithful: stop [11:44] The_Faithful: use a bloody pastebin .. kthxbai? [11:44] cities - visited [11:44] :| [11:44] slackytude: http://www.scala-lang.org/ [11:44] wtf [11:44] ok sorry [11:44] psychicist, just looking at it [11:44] The_Faithful: GTFO [11:44] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-68-127-157-235.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:44] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.160.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:44] psychicist, you say it can run existing java code? [11:45] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [11:45] BP{k}, hehe [11:45] AlienBob: does your script download the source directory? [11:46] slackytude: yes, that's one of the design criteria (the creator worked on the Java compiler) [11:46] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:46] psychicist, nifty [11:46] Action: BP{k} has been thinking of looking at Java. [11:46] qup429 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:46] eeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [11:46] my first impression of scala [11:46] haha :) [11:46] heh [11:46] all the worst bits of python ruby and java thromn into a concrete mixer [11:47] Action: compl3x has a brain scan soon haha [11:47] and none of those 3 are any good in the 1st place [11:47] you mean those 3 have good bits? [11:47] no [11:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] caio (n=caio@190.244.43.98) joined ##slackware. [11:48] sounds like scale is a lot like perl then [11:48] The_Faithful: everyone has their on $favourite_langauge to do the things they do. Personally I would say: "I am working in this or that, the rest of the world be damned if it is for personal stuff. If you are working in the greater `community' concept .. have a look what other people projects use, and adapt as needed. [11:48] or rewrite every shell script in ruby [11:49] psychicist, why is scala better than java? [11:49] if we could get rid of java, ruby and python and have everone concentrate on C, Perl and PHP I think we'd be hella more productive as a population [11:49] not that i love java [11:49] PiterPun1 (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] PiterPunk (n=piterpk@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:49] Zordrak, agree there [11:49] php is fine, but perl? [11:49] Zordrak: I am sure Microsoft Corperation bases it marketing among very similar lines ;-) [11:49] [6~[6~/c [11:49] fail [11:49] command not found [11:49] :p [11:50] slackytude: perl is flexible when you need it to be and strict when you need it to be.. tied together by classic structure [11:50] slackytude: beautiful [11:50] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) joined ##slackware. [11:50] write only code [11:50] BP{k}, right, but now we all have to think just like what community want, THERE IS NO MORE PERSONAL STUFF, it's old.. [11:50] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.2.241) joined ##slackware. [11:50] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [11:51] nachox: smaller code, static typing (like Ada), concurrency and a few other things I don't remember [11:51] hsc519 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] Nick change: hsc519 -> vcj656 [11:51] The_Faithful: Hey moron.. your bus is leaving [11:51] I might get a job as ABAP code monkey [11:51] visit them on 15th [11:51] psychicist, how is java not concurrent? pretty much every damn object instanciates a mutex! [11:51] nachox: but I haven't really done anything with it yet, just read the web page for more background information [11:52] The_Faithful: That is just a complete and utter silly statement. [11:52] "now we all have to think just like what community want", what do you mean by this? you're from soviet russia? [11:52] (morning folks) [11:52] ruby is cool, but it seems to me that it's more for computer scientists, and a little less practical >.<; [11:52] greetings Urchlay [11:52] in soviet russia, code writes YOU [11:52] Say it ain't so..I will not go..turn the lights off, carry me home [11:52] nachox: just read the web page and you'll know more, I'm not saying java is bad (or good)! [11:52] slackytude, sap's sales dropped by 1/3, abappers suck :P [11:52] (someone had to do it.. this time it was my turn) [11:52] nachox, pfft! [11:52] psychicist, java sucks :P [11:53] :p [11:53] nachox: I don't disagree :) [11:53] everybody sales dropped. and ABAP aint that bad [11:53] The_Faithful: What if the community en masse decides that ruby is not a good thing? Congrats, you now can drop ruby. [11:53] well, not entirely [11:53] afk [11:53] hahaha [11:53] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-13-204.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:53] its just like COBOL and thats good, no? :P [11:53] ugh [11:53] cobolicious [11:54] well, the pay is good [11:54] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [11:54] BP{k}, I will do the same [11:54] yeah, learn cobol, be indispensable :P [11:54] Great code doesnt just function: it clearly and consistently communicates your intentions, allowing other programmers to understand your code, rely on it, and modify it with confidence. But great code doesnt just happen. It is the outcome of hundreds of small but critical decisions programmers make every single day. [11:54] they have a room with a pool table for staff [11:54] java == smalltalk .. a huge waste of time .. based on good ideas that worked out to be nothing but pain .. standardised on by companies who love proprietary .. expensive to develop .. expensive to maintain [11:54] -kent beck [11:54] java aint proprietary [11:55] slackytude: never said it was [11:55] right, misread you [11:55] Zordrak, you will never be a good programmer you are so far away :) [11:55] The_Faithful: suppose I'm capable of writing "great code" in C and Perl, but I'm forced to use a language I barely know becase "the community" decided it's the new hotness... should I just stop coding, or knowingly write bad code? [11:55] The_Faithful: are you still frigging here? [11:55] what I dislike most about the whole java stauff, is how it tries to be enterprisy. just download netbeans and drown in buzzword acronyms [11:55] The_Faithful: who fed the dogs too much dinner?! [11:55] its made by managers, for managers [11:56] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-13-204.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:56] Zodrak: haha :p [11:56] (eventually I'd learn whatever the new language was, and learn to write "great code" in it, but it might take weeks, months, years...) [11:56] y0 Camarade_Tux [11:56] slackytude: GlassFish is the ultimate showcase for just how pointless and overengineered java is [11:56] Zordrak, I am talking for real.. you can be a network admin, or sys admin.. but a programmer.. hmm noway [11:56] Zordrak, agreed! [11:56] The_Faithful: Get. The Fuck. Out. [11:56] hahaha! [11:56] Zordrak, or the funky xml they all throw around like crazy [11:57] Zordrak, don't be angry I just give you my opinion !! [11:57] slackytude: it's really no wonder why the hardest module there was at my uni was Java 3D [11:57] Sysadmins have it good, they actually have to write usefull code thats need and they use themselves [11:57] The_Faithful: read my question, I really do want to hear your answer [11:57] being a programmer is just a term forcode monkey [11:57] Urchlay, ok [11:57] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:58] Urchlay, migrating beethwen languages was never been a problem [11:59] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: "leaving" [11:59] as programmer you are confronted to this problem everywhere [11:59] erm except that you now have to learn a whole different structure/syntax [11:59] see you guys [11:59] nice to talk with you [11:59] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [11:59] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:00] I seriously doubt that there are porgrammers that constantly switch between the language the *know* and have been trained in and are fluent in and whatever the $newhawtness is [12:00] caio__ (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [12:01] I would think established producers with a history of using say C would suddenly jump in the next buzz language [12:01] would not* [12:02] leave that to new comers who spring up for one night only [12:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:03] The_Faithful: oh, I can pick up a new language well enough to write working code in it, in a day (or maybe a week if I were learning Lisp or Haskell), but to write "great code" in a language requires a lot more time [12:03] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:03] alorithms and good coding practices dont change from language t0 language [12:04] Urchlay: Haskell in a week? Are all the days of that week Feb 29th? [12:04] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:04] yeah, but for instance the leap to Java's "everything is an object" model requires learning a whole raft of new ways of thinking about things [12:05] I hate Java about 13 times more than your average Java hater... but i'd still rather write Java than Haskell :) [12:05] and that hurts >.> [12:05] Zordrak: I said "working code"... it might be crappy/suboptimal/ugly, but I could probably learn enough in a week to do at least something with the language (nothing I'd be proud of I'm sure) [12:05] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-215-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Success [12:05] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:06] Urchlay: I did a whole module in Haskell at Uni within the last decade.... the day after graduation, i wouldnt have been able to give you a hello world(!) 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[12:07] there are programming langs for CS guys, and then there are langs for the rest of us =p [12:07] yep Urchlay [12:08] ahnyways.. im off to have a free and easy evening for the first time in days as the wan link at work is now functional. Night. [12:08] laters Zordrak [12:08] g'n [12:08] laters [12:08] an extreme example would be someone who never heard of perl's hash variable type, so they go off and write their own hashtable routines like you would in C [12:08] ewww [12:08] yes [12:09] their code might work, and even work well, but you couldn't call it "great perl code" [12:09] nite Zordrak [12:09] night Zordrak [12:09] <_RadioHead> hi all [12:09] hey [12:13] caio_ (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:13] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-328503524d898acf) left irc: [12:13] technet is down [12:13] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-137-73.epm.net.co) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:14] win7 RC download kills the MS servers, apparently [12:14] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) joined ##slackware. [12:14] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) joined ##slackware. [12:15] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:15] <_RadioHead> damn i have problem with my softwwaer raid1 :( [12:15] Hi _RadioHead. How are you? [12:16] hey slackytude :) [12:16] Hi Camarade_Tux. How's it going? [12:16] <_RadioHead> hey firebird619 :) fine thx, and how are you? [12:16] <_RadioHead> yo Camarade_Tux [12:16] _RadioHead: doing great, thanks. [12:16] y0 firebird619 , _RadioHead [12:16] y0 slackytude. How are you? [12:16] still alive [12:16] yoyo _RadioHead [12:16] firebird619, you? [12:17] firebird619, fine, thanks, what about you ? [12:17] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-157-99.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [12:17] slackytude: doing great, thanks. [12:17] ^-^ [12:17] Camarade_Tux: doing great, Thank you. :) [12:17] man, lot of greetings [12:17] <_RadioHead> i have md0 mounted but i noticed after a while folders goes on RO mode :D [12:18] slackytude: yeah, sure is. :) [12:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-65.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:18] slackytude: Opera changed the blog to "No Unix build this time.: We have to wait until next time. :( [12:18] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) joined ##slackware. [12:18] s/:/" [12:19] jonsmith1982 (n=chatzill@88-97-28-182.dsl.zen.co.uk) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.10/2009042315]" [12:19] <_RadioHead> anyone any idea? [12:19] ah, didnt check today [12:19] thats sad [12:19] slackytude: indeed. I wonder what happened. [12:19] _RadioHead: we can't read your mind... what's the problem you're having? [12:19] oh [12:19] _RadioHead: your question sort of got lost amongst all the greetings. :D [12:20] never mind, I missed what you said, apologies [12:20] _RadioHead: do you have it mounted with the "errors=remount-ro" option by any chance? [12:21] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: no [12:22] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) joined ##slackware. [12:23] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: i`ll try now just to stop smbd and process that access mounted point [12:23] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:24] r-tz (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [12:25] _RadioHead: wait a sec [12:25] man, two guys in #windows-server talking hours about a certain computer trying to contact a IP address 169.254.27.176 [12:25] when you access the files locally, are they read-only? or is this only a problem over samba? [12:25] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: localy [12:26] <_RadioHead> i tryed with my username and with root [12:26] <_RadioHead> same [12:26] slackytude: That's a valid autoconf ip [12:26] ok. Have you checked dmesg to see whether there are any low-level errors? [12:26] also, have you looked at /proc/mdstat yet? [12:26] andreas-- (n=elm@ppp079166034202.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:27] Nick change: r-tz -> rizitis [12:27] and... if you run "mount" with no parameters, does the md0 show up as being mounted read-only (ro)? [12:27] <_RadioHead> Urchlay: no no no error man and it is mounted as rw [12:27] <_RadioHead> dev/md0 on /mnt/disk1part1 type reiserfs (rw) [12:28] straterra, its a private adress range and they were trying to look it up [12:28] <_RadioHead> one moment reboot [12:28] Yeah [12:28] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.248) left irc: "Leaving" [12:29] you're sure? "dmesg|grep md0" and also replacing the md0 with the partitions that make up the array (hda1 or whatever) [12:29] andreas-- (n=elm@ppp079166034202.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] bleah [12:29] straterra, do they know about 127.0.0.1? [12:29] err slackytude [12:29] Yes [12:29] we can only hop [12:29] ee [12:30] Most of the people in there are very intelligent [12:30] when you're talking to someone on the phone, wouldn't it be rude to go "one moment, gotta reboot my phone" and then do it without even waiting for the other person to say "OK"? [12:30] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] straterra, I wasnt saying otherwise [12:30] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:30] straterra, I hang around there too :P [12:31] I liked the part were the one dude said, its an Italian address,tho [12:31] or maybe Australia [12:31] italian addresses are good with pesto sauce and a hint of garlic [12:32] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:32] ivan8013__ (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:33] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left irc: "Leaving" [12:34] and a dash of oregano. [12:34] ipv6 addresses are too filling though [12:34] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [12:34] make you bloated & gassy [12:35] iliketurtles (n=IceChat7@host86-164-209-194.range86-164.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:35] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.2.241) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:35] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] iliketurtles (n=IceChat7@host86-164-209-194.range86-164.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] My box has an old SCSI drive in it, and whenever it accesses the disk, the mouse pointer stops responding. It is very brief but also very distracting. [12:36] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:36] buggy driver [12:36] or drive [12:37] more likely it's the controller than the drive [12:37] try a different controller (one that uses a different driver), problem may go away [12:37] scsi2 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 7.0 [12:38] Adaptec 2940 Ultra2 SCSI adapter [12:38] hm, those are decent controllers, wouldn't expect them or their driver to cause problems [12:38] did this just start to happen recently? [12:39] stillbor1 (n=blow_my_@YMMMDCLXX.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:39] No but I've been noticing it more frequently. [12:39] Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods [12:40] did you upgrade your kernel lately? [12:40] not lately [12:42] hm. Maybe you should? [12:44] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.157) joined ##slackware. [12:44] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [12:44] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:45] or possibly build a kernel with preempt turned on [12:48] pi31415, sounds like DMA is not working... [12:49] " it was once said that a black man would be president when pigs flew. well behold 100days into his presidency :swine flu:" [12:49] Hey nix_chix0r. How are you? [12:49] aporkalypse [12:49] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:49] lol [12:49] just fine firebird619 you [12:49] nix_chix0r: doing great, thank you. [12:49] really should take a nap soon [12:50] edman007: is that something you would be able to tell from my dmesg? [12:50] lol nix_chix0r... where'd you get that from? [12:50] lol nix_chix0r [12:50] forward to my cell lol [12:51] hate forwards but that one was wroth it [12:51] worth* [12:51] lol [12:51] Necos: That was on reddit last night too. [12:52] edman007, the baby slept for 9.5hrs last night. i would have taken advantage of it but i kept thinking oh he'll be up any time now had to maek sure he was still breathing so i got no sleep [12:52] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.157) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [12:52] really now? [12:52] mohni (n=alch@78-28-74-89.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [12:52] nix_chix0r, and why can't he type yet?! [12:52] stillborn (n=blow_my_@KMMCCIV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:52] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.157) joined ##slackware. [12:52] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:52] edman007, cause he's 6weeks old , and all he does is bang on the keys [12:53] still learnin bash commands here [12:53] one step at a time [12:53] how can I figure out which process that's listening to a specified port? [12:53] he should be able to type in 2-3 weeks [12:54] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [12:55] lol [12:55] I'm on a 90's music download craze..I got blink 182 and eve..any others? [12:55] Oh..and Lit [12:55] edman007: you move quickly, eh? [12:55] Necos, the younger you are the faster you learn [12:55] straterra, new kids on the block and new new kids [12:55] edman007, i dont want him giving me kernel panics at 2months old [12:56] yeah, but at 2-3 weeks, they're barely figuring out they're alive =p [12:56] nevermind :) [12:58] nix_chix0r, he needs to make errors to learn [12:58] Any others? [12:58] fine you give him root access on your box [12:58] I'm trying to remember any popular NKOTB songs [12:58] straterra, any boy bands [12:58] gf said nsync..I said no [12:59] nix_chix0r, ssh is blocked [12:59] Karu (n=alch@78-28-74-89.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:59] give me 3 weeks, i'll graduate, and i'll give him root to a VM [13:00] new kids on the block? straterra wtf is wrong with you! [13:00] sum 41 [13:00] v3gard: netstat or lsof [13:00] and everclear [13:01] april wine, loverboy, van halen, acdc? [13:01] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:01] straterra: "didn't i (blow your mind)" and "please don't go girl" immediately come to mind :P [13:01] >.<; [13:02] jane's addiction (1st album I think was in '89) [13:02] Urchlay: '88 [13:03] SlackLnx (n=Slackwar@85.139.11.157) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [13:03] well anyway they count as 80s music, sort of [13:04] heh, get michael jackson's "thriller" album, that's definitely 80s [13:04] late 80s and early 90s.. I was still too young to know better than to like pop music. =) [13:05] several years after "please don't go girl" came out, i remember it played at high school dances, where groups of acne-filled faces would stare from the darkness, stalking young hotties, but just standing there, helpless, while the football players took those hotties into their muscular arms and caressed their almost-ripe bodies :P [13:06] pi31415, not an excuse [13:06] pi31415: haha. so true :) [13:06] after 93 most things are crap in all genres though [13:07] damn those football players :P [13:07] antler, O_o [13:07] I got a little revenge on some of the football players [13:07] Action: edman007 never went to a school with a football team [13:08] back then, the computer classes taught BASIC, on old PCs with no hard drives, so everyone had a boot floppy that booted DOS with a call to GWBASIC in the autoexec.bat [13:08] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:08] revenge of the nerds: the urchlay chronicles [13:08] I wrote a gwbasic replacement that looked just like the real one, you could enter/edit basic code [13:08] and list it [13:09] but when you tried to run it, it'd pick a random line number from your program and print "syntax error at line (whatever)", a different line number each time [13:09] Urchlay, in high school i wrote a web based proxy [13:09] boy, thats devious [13:09] Urchlay, but that is evil [13:09] I like it [13:09] when you tried to save the program, it'd pick one of 3 or 4 I/O error messages and print that [13:10] including IIRC one that said "no disk in drive" [13:10] edman007: we didn't have the web back in those neanderthal days :) [13:11] Old_Spike0 (n=Old_Spik@82.159.56.160.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] (all the computers were steam-driven, you had to take turns between typing and shoveling coal, and many budding young hackers died tragically due to black lung disease...) [13:11] and Urchlay is the essence of neanderthal...>.> [13:12] well at least I'm not old enough to remember having to use punchcards [13:12] In high school we did not have the Internet. [13:12] in soviet russia... [13:12] Urchlay, yea, well my school had a content filter...and that made my proxy thing very popular (even though it ran off my home computer and very slow), you needed my proxy to view google images, check yahoo email, and go to newgrounds/albinoblacksheep/ebaumsworld or whatever for games [13:12] (except in library books, there was a punchcard in the back of each one) [13:13] But we had a network and file server. [13:13] I had the only proxy that needed no browser configuration at all [13:13] edman007: hey, you didn't go to school in Hall County, Georgia, did you? [13:13] nope [13:13] cause I once got paid to set up a content filter for a school system, and some smart kid did basically what you're talking about to get around it [13:14] Torrington CT in a state run school [13:14] (actually I think he installed an AOL client) [13:14] Urchlay, my school used Bess at first, then the state took over and had some custom ct.gov filter [13:14] edman007: the same thing here at my job... stupid websense [13:14] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:15] actually only blocked IPs...but my proxy supported scrambling the source with base64 [13:15] if they'd had the internet back when I was in school, I would have had to do the same thing [13:15] lol [13:15] I'd find it intolerable in a work environment [13:15] when you work for a high school... [13:16] I was a contractor [13:16] (not a well-paid one either) [13:16] i'm a school district employee lol [13:16] and i put it up on sourceforge, and i still get people saying how good it is...a month ago someone said they were using it to circumvent a Syrian gov filter or something like that [13:16] nice ! [13:16] brb gotta move my car [13:16] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:16] Action: edman007 gives Necos a ticket [13:17] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) joined ##slackware. [13:17] Necos: the "IT staff" at that school district were paid minimum wage, and I was supposed to teach them TCP/IP and Linux sysadm stuff [13:18] Urchlay, BTW, my proxy got so popular that my home internet was saturated during all school hours, and there were teachers that relied on it.... [13:18] asked a guy "Would you come up to the board and convert this netmask to CIDR notation?" and the guy (who is getting paid to be there) says "I'd rather stick barbed wire up my nose" [13:19] and the IT guys never blocked it... [13:19] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [13:19] Urchlay, hahaha [13:19] edman007: they probably used it themselves? [13:19] Urchlay, they absolutely did...yahoo webmail was blocked..so thats what most of the teachers were using it for [13:20] WTF kind of dumb idea was that, in the first place? [13:20] "let's block everything that might be muldly useful"? [13:20] er, mildly [13:20] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.69.25) joined ##slackware. [13:20] the IT was run by the state, it was the same filter that all government employees used [13:21] the hall county blocklist included the democratic party's website (and various other "liberal" sites) [13:21] but not the repubs [13:21] my high school was not run by the local school district, it was run directly by the state, complete with an appointed superintendent (instead of someone who got the job based on skills) [13:21] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:22] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [13:22] bleah, while I was contracting there, the IT director (smart, knowledgeable guy) got fired, and replaced with a tenured English teacher [13:22] slackware current up and running [= [13:22] last two years were terrible, we got a new superintendent, switched us to 4 quarters instead of three trimesters...because it was a tech school we ended up having 4 weeks of school per quarter, and got the midterm grades when the quarter was over [13:23] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:23] who knew less than nothing about computers (as in, she was actively hostile any time you'd try to explain anything, no matter how polite you were and how simplified you tried to make it) [13:23] aggh kde4 die. [13:23] compl3x: how long did that take? Maybe you just set a KDE4 self-destruct speed record? [13:23] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:23] and the teachers hated the superintendent because she did not take input from them, and then she switched the rules so the inner city kids did the same stuff as the middle of nowhere kids (despite the facts that their grades and skills were not even close) [13:24] Urchlay: I hated it before I used it, now im using it an I want it to go die in a bush somewhere [13:24] Urchlay, that sucks [13:24] the disk access was coincidental.. my USB optical mouse has just gone bad [13:24] "slackware -current is so streamlined, it boots up to a KDE crash in less than 10 seconds" :) [13:24] haha [13:24] pi31415, happened to me a few months ago :( [13:24] is it under warranty? [13:24] I want kde 3.5x back :p [13:24] and what mouse [13:25] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [13:25] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:25] compl3x: it won't bother me much when/if I run -current (or whatever the release ends up being called), but then I don't run KDE as a desktop... as long as the apps work, I'll be happy [13:26] pi31415: check the casing for cracks. I've had a mouse die because too much light was getting in (it would work fine at night and crap out during the day) [13:26] Urchlay: fair point - im gonna move back to fluxbox or xfce soon [13:26] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:27] I'm about to move from windowmaker (used for the past 5+ years) back to fvwm2 (used for 5+ years before that) [13:27] depending on whether I remember how to configure fvwm2 or not, I might move right back to wmaker in a hurry :) [13:27] Oh why must kde do this to my monitor - i feel its pain [13:27] compl3x, flux' [13:28] flux is my favourite - but recently moved onto kde3.5 for a while [13:28] but now kde4 [13:28] :| [13:28] haha - desktop icons are in a "desktop folder" - reaal cool - NOT :/ [13:28] *rant over* [13:28] Action: edman007 has no Desktop icons... [13:29] one thing I like about fvwm2, that AFAIK is missing from anything newer: I actually *like* the windows 3.1 style "double-click to close" button [13:29] :p [13:29] I bet the LED went bad. [13:29] Action: compl3x runs xwmconfig [13:29] brb guys [= [13:29] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [13:32] do someone here have new xfce-3.6.1 in tgz package [13:32] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [13:32] aww good old fluxbox [13:33] pi31415: maybe it's just covered in gunk? worth trying to clean it anyway [13:33] it is clean [13:33] the inside? [13:34] or can you see the LED from the outside? [13:36] In 2005 Fedex delivered us a big box of optical mice. Our receiving department told them that we did not order them, but Fedex said something like "we do not make mistakes." They let them sit for a few years and then gave the box to me. I opened up the dead one and it has hand-soldered parts inside, including electrolytic caps seated directly on IC leads. [13:36] neat [13:37] slackytude: :D [13:38] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [13:38] antler, ? [13:38] e01: xfce 3.6 is kinda old... [13:38] 11:06 < slackytude> antler, O_o [13:38] ah, ok [13:38] it was a nice stor [13:38] y [13:38] reallove, :) [13:39] my mistake, i have meaning 4.6.1 [13:41] Okay i need some advice so i know who the right person i would need to talk to about this problem with. When compiling Bacula, durring the make install process i get errors from libtool like this: http://pastebin.com/d5fcd79db. I am doing a make install with destdir because i'm making a bacula slackbuild. the warning is trivial because those files are placed in the destdir directory so when the program is eventually installed, they will be where t [13:42] Can anyone shed some light on the issue? [13:42] well, where is the problem? [13:43] as its only warnings [13:44] True. They are annoying though. Just trying to help get them fixed, ya know? [13:44] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [13:44] hey guys [13:44] heh, add --disable-warnings ^-^ [13:44] hahah [13:44] ya, i could do that. [13:45] why isn't libtool looking in my DESTDIR though? [13:46] make -s, --silent, --quiet Silent operation; do not print the commands as they are executed. [13:46] would that be a problem within bacula's make install process most likely? [13:46] I upgraded to slack current - is it normal for /etc/slackware-version to still say 12.2.0 ? [13:46] compl3x: no worry,same here :) [13:47] compl3x: no. i thought it was like, 12.0123456789 or something. [13:47] compl3x: yes and no. etc package in -current is version 12.34567890 ;) [13:47] how do I view that? [13:47] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] cd /var/log/packages && ls etc* [13:48] ah right - was the directory i was looking for [= [13:49] slackware-version is 12.2 in -current don't worry bout that [13:49] cheers guys [= [13:49] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:49] agentc0re, no idea [13:49] yeah etc-12.34567890- [13:50] agentc0re: it is not a problem. try a make install outand i guess it will not complain [13:50] sry for my english [13:50] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat078.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:50] comp_ (n=comp_@81.196.151.9) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] rizitis (n=rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) left irc: "ta leme" [13:59] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.69.25) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:00] what login managers do you guys use - or if none?.. [14:00] kdm....just because i'm lazy and that is the default for a full install [14:00] compl3x, slim [14:00] and i only login once per boot... [14:01] ah nice [14:01] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77830.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:01] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] just got some kde errors when trying to open a .doc in kword - wheres the best place to report this ? [14:02] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:05] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) joined ##slackware. [14:09] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) left irc: "Leaving" [14:09] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:15] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:16] caio__ (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:20] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.52) joined ##slackware. [14:20] fcarazo (n=user@200.69.137.190) joined ##slackware. [14:22] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:23] would I kill something if I downgraded the kword package? [14:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat078.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:24] compl3x: why do want to downgrade? [14:24] why not using openoffice ? [14:24] koffice renders someof my documents how they were initially created on an xp machine [14:25] but openoffice is better than koffice [14:25] Yeah - but i believe koffice has potential [14:25] toopen w_office files. [14:26] compl3x: Why do you want to downgrade? Are you thinking it will fix your errors? [14:26] firebird619: I was thinking that - but then i decided it wouldn't be the best solution - ill look into the problem and report it [14:27] compl3x: also remember that kword is part of koffice, so you would be downgrading the entire suite. Also, have you tried asking about the errors in #kde? [14:27] firebird619: searched through bug reports at bugs.kde but haven'tr tried #kde yet- [14:27] ill go ask [14:28] so you should report a bug. [14:28] compl3x: you might ask there, also, it may not necessarily be a bug, it could be something specific to your situation. [14:28] Yeah [14:29] compl3x: #kde can probably help you more and help you decide if it is a bug that should be reported or if it's just something with your situation and then they may have a fix for it. [14:31] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:31] firebird619: Cheers [= [14:33] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432815.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:34] compl3x, things with excess k's do not have potential [14:34] alicephilippa: you appears to have megabad connectivity. [14:34] to wit, kkk. [14:34] Action: antler uppercuts edman007 [14:35] Action: edman007 slaps antler [14:35] haha [14:35] if i have 123.123.123.123 [14:35] how do i cut off the first 123.123 ? [14:35] well so it only shows the first 123.123? [14:35] is there such a thing as a mobile phone that lets you set up temporary phone numbers? (I want to use it to track down which online merchant it is that is leaking my information to scammers.) [14:35] /16 [14:35] nono... [14:35] acidchild: cut -f 2,3 -d '.' [14:35] using 'cut' or w/e [14:35] thanks thrice` :D [14:35] I think [14:35] yep [14:36] :D [14:36] maybe skype + a prepaid visa [14:36] Nick change: AkumaTw0 -> Akuma [14:36] ok :) [14:36] thrice`: 2,3? [14:36] actually, it might be 'cut -f 3,4 -d '.' [14:36] thrice`: 1,2 [14:36] orite [14:36] 3,4 [14:36] yeah [14:36] pi31415, phone numbers cost money...skype will give you one pretty cheap, but it will cost you something [14:37] its 1,2 [14:37] i want [14:37] pi31415, but most CCs will give you temporary CC numbers good for one transaction with some low limit and bind it to your normal CC [14:37] *nod* [14:37] ah. didn't know if you meant keep, or rid of [14:38] 19:35:24 < acidchild> well so it only shows the first 123.123? [14:38] thrice`: more coffee [14:38] My wife thinks the scammers may have gotten the information from NewEgg.. our problems started shortly after a newegg order. [14:38] actually, I just finished working 3am - noon shifts this week, so I'm actually pretty tired :) [14:38] thrice`: more coffee [14:39] thrice`: ALWAYS more coffee [14:39] :) [14:39] my server is being raped by the US goverment [14:39] : [14:39] :/ [14:39] i'm not sure what to do... [14:39] pi31415, yea, i really doubt its newegg... [14:39] it might just be Dominian [14:39] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13121 [14:39] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-65.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [14:39] they are inbound or outbound? [14:40] pi31415, usually scammers get it from the small sites, they usually don't have all the security measures in place that the big sites can afford [14:40] thrice`: can you do me a favour? and port scan my box from the outside world [14:40] so i know what ports are open for 'randomers' [14:40] 209.146.233.10 [14:41] what would they want with your box o.0? [14:41] holy smokes 209.146.233.10 <--- 256 ports open! [14:41] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [14:41] botnet, ssh [14:41] compl3x: i dunnnoooooooo [14:41] antler, wait....what IP is yours? [14:42] acidchild: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/13122 [14:42] edman007: 209.146.233.11 [14:42] i live next door to acidchild [14:42] thats what i thought....those connections are outbound from your system... [14:43] i noticed that antler i just firewalled it off. [14:43] you might have some nasties on your server [14:43] edman007: indeed :| [14:43] but what and where? :|| [14:43] this machine is firewalled off from 99.99% of the web [14:44] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:44] as root, `netstat -np | grep 134.252 ` [14:44] and repeat until you get a program [14:44] i think you have to catch the connection when its open [14:45] the -c switch from netstat can be useful [14:45] hmm, maybe not...it should show you who opened it... [14:46] but whatever, -np will tell you who opened the connection, and if its apache then you should check your web logs [14:47] A_666_A (n=sidmario@201-43-54-214.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:47] i added a whole bunch of rules in to block them [14:47] seem to have disapeared. [14:48] acidchild, i would really try and find out the cause...that looks like someone got into your box [14:48] it does indeed. [14:48] lsof wont install for some reason [14:48] i see no processes or horrible files etc [14:48] slugmax (n=slugmax@wsip-68-15-55-87.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:48] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:49] acidchild, like i said, netstat will tell you [14:49] its not telling me. [14:49] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) joined ##slackware. [14:49] there is a very good chance it is getting executed by httpd, and thus it won't show in your process list as something nasty [14:50] you did `netstat -np` as root and it does not give an app/pid for the connection? [14:50] try -anp [14:50] -a = listenening and no listening [14:50] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] you need to do it as root to read the program names, and it should read it for all connections [14:50] netbsd heh [14:50] :P [14:51] GPL netstat [14:51] the chances of this box getting hacked are so damn low.. [14:51] acidchild, no... [14:51] there is like 4 ips that can even access anything running on it [14:52] edman007: i'm looking for the cause. [14:52] tcpdump indicated they where comming FROM them ips [14:52] my guess is its probably a PHP script on the box that you forgot to update (wordpress and phpbb are common ones) [14:52] like i said, nobody can access anything running on https (no http) [14:52] other than 4 ips [14:52] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [14:52] then they just upload a php script that runs shell scripts and have their way, running under http, its limited, but they can DoS others and such [14:54] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:55] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] ivan8013_ (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) left irc: "Saliendo" [14:56] they seemed to have gone away... [14:57] but i've removed the firewalling and gonna wait until i see them again [14:57] run lsof [14:57] sidmario (n=sidmario@201-43-54-214.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:58] "are you ready to amarok" haha [14:58] fatio (n=a@92.229.50.208) joined ##slackware. [14:59] acidchild: have you thrown rkhunter at it? [14:59] compl3x: oh god such a bad pun [14:59] Zordrak: i've looked [14:59] isnt that where the name comes from.. [15:00] i'm'a rock.. [15:00] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:00] i am going to rock... [15:00] >.> [15:00] spook: Tis what came up when I loaded up amarok - :p [15:01] compl3x: i know, and its terrible [15:01] spook: Lighten up ;) haha [15:02] no [15:02] no lightening up. [15:02] rofl :p [15:05] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@190.148.35.177) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:05] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:05] grr to much kde shit is crashing after this current upgrade - starting to think something went wrong [15:06] why don't we all just scrap K* [15:06] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:06] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Tux__ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-51-152.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:08] Nick change: plague -> sars [15:09] do you recommend upgrade slack kernel from sources or from kernel-[firmware|headers|modules|generic].tgz ? [15:09] caio: err becaue KDE4 has given me the biggest single increase in productivity ive had in years [15:09] gar0t0 (n=tcosta@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:09] caio: if you have to ask, use the packages [15:09] compl3x: that first message was for you# [15:10] Zodrak: I guessed so ;p [15:10] Im just overjoyed that pat had the sense to dump gbone [15:10] *gnome [15:10] haha [15:11] gbone, heh [15:12] ooh yus - my name is earl [15:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] Hey. [15:18] People. [15:18] Say stuff. [15:18] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [15:19] compl3x: you did (1) move an old ~/.kde directory out of the way and (2) took care of all the *.new files in /etc ? [15:19] Hi alienBOB. How are you? [15:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432815.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:20] alienBOB: I did take care of the new files but no I didn't remove my old kde directory - assumed it would be takencare off [15:20] Nick change: sars -> mODYe| [15:20] jota- (n=jota@190.6.1.152) joined ##slackware. [15:20] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432815.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:20] compl3x: No, you have to do that yourself. [15:20] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:20] so remove old directory and run kde? [15:21] hjb (n=hjb@e176249029.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Is slackware.com still running on *the box* ?!? [15:21] stuff [15:21] sounds scary [15:21] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "brrrb" [15:22] sorry, Zordrak said "Hey people, say stuff" [15:22] compl3x: If you upgraded to -current (KDE 4.x) and had KDE 3.x before, then you need to remove your old .kde directory, or it can cause conflicts. So, yes, remove ~/.kde, or rename to something else, and then try KDE again. [15:22] freealan (n=freealan@220-135-120-204.HINET-IP.hinet.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:22] slugmax (n=slugmax@wsip-68-15-55-87.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:22] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [15:23] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:23] possibly dumb question, but if the stuff in ~/.kde completely changes between major versions of KDE, how come they don't make the new version use e.g. ~/.kde4 or something? [15:23] this is a touchy subject, because my first inclination would be to dive right into the manuals for this.....but the X11 documentation is a *journey* that would probably take a year to fully figure out....what I'm wanting to do is understand the options you can pass in xorg.conf and be able to limit the modes used by the server; e.g. kdm uses an out of range resolution, but xfce does not, xfce does not detect or change modes; I [15:23] 'm having to use xrandr manually to get a usable environment. I also want to make sure the dpi is set appropriately. is there a set of docs that's a little more hands on and straightforward for similar ventures? [15:23] Urchlay: That's not dumb, that's a good question imo. [15:24] Copland (n=Rob@209.241.118.121) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ack [15:24] Urchlay: I'm sure there's some reason they don't though. [15:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] dartmouth: well, in the 'Section "Screen"', you can add a 'Modes "1024x768" "640x480"' or whatever, to tell the server you only want those modes [15:25] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-13-204.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] Urchlay: i thought that too but it seems to be ignoring those [15:26] but if it's doing the out-of-range resolution thing, it might be that the pixel resolution would be OK except the vert/horiz refresh rate is too high, in which case you want to edit or add 'Option "HorizSync" "31.5 - 90"' or the like, in your 'Section "Monitor"' [15:26] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [15:27] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [15:27] hmm - fixed a few errors but the kword errors etc still stand [15:27] hrm. [15:27] in other words it might be trying to do 1024x768 at 100Hz, which your monitor can't handle... telling it to only use 1024x768 won't fix that, you have to tell it to use a lower refresh rate [15:27] <_arfon_> Man, Some of those noobfarm quotes are GOLD! [15:28] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left ##slackware. [15:28] Urchlay: http://pastebin.com/f25dd5091 <-- this is what im currently using [15:28] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:29] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [15:29] it sounds like your monitor's at least not so ancient that you could damage it with bad sync rates (it's shutting itself down and/or showing "bad sync rate" error, right?) [15:29] and i know those sync rates are accurate; the issue could be the monitor; it's relatively new; it's a 917sw [15:29] <_arfon_> Stupid CLOSE button [15:29] rofl [15:29] you have two monitor sections [15:30] and two screen sections [15:30] monstro (i=1000@201-92-42-165.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:30] but i may have the sync rates confused because the menu that gives me the sync rates looks like it's giving me sync rates for 1024x768 and i need a widescreen res [15:30] Hi all, [15:30] lol [15:30] oh. well, i certainly do. lol [15:30] what is name of an good video player for slackware ? [15:31] according to the ServerLayout, only the screen "aticonfig-Screen[0]-0" is actually active (which uses the monitor you didn't set any Modes for) [15:31] monstro: xine [15:31] monstro: xine [15:31] ... [15:31] yeah :P [15:31] monstro: vlc [15:32] Zordrak: good call [15:32] vlc don't exist in slackbuilds. :( [15:32] compile [15:32] mplayer then [15:32] mplayer [15:32] from source [15:32] yeah [15:32] with kplayer front end is what I use [15:32] if you want something that lives on slackbuilds.org, mplayer is a good choice [15:32] monstro: vlc is in alienBOB's repo [15:32] i actually dled my vlc package from slacky [15:32] he's done all the work for you [15:33] toastytoast: EW [15:33] it had a package with all the dependinceis [15:33] i was to lazy to look for them all [15:33] Zordrak, what is site of the alienBOB's ? [15:33] toastytoast: too lazy to just go to alienBOB's repo and pull it from there [15:33] is slacky complete garbage? I've never used their stuff cause I can't read the Italian-looking comments :) [15:33] slacky can suck my hairy nutballs [15:34] haha [15:34] ok, they ARE about a zillion times better than lp.net [15:34] but they still suck balls [15:34] i' pretty sure alot of there stuff is pulled from slackbuilds [15:34] being hit on the head with a ball-peen hammer is probably a zillion times better than lp.net though? [15:34] it's a mini ubuntu community, hidden behind a shroud of slack [15:34] :p [15:35] and worse than that theyre italian [15:35] kinda like your mom [15:35] which is worse than death anyway [15:35] wasn't volkerding currently living in italy? or is that some bad rumour i've read? [15:36] Urchlay: i think this would be a little less confusing? http://pastebin.com/m46968d2 [15:37] naw, being italian doesn't make them bad (italians invented pasta, they can't be all bad...) [15:37] any slamd64 or xorg users/gurus in the house? [15:38] italian tanks have 5 gears, one forward and four reverse [15:38] eviljames: there's such thing as a xorg guru? [15:38] I'm a slamd64 user, I dunno if I'd count as a guru [15:38] my friend told me to try slamd64 i considered it but ended up not is ti anygood? [15:39] it is good [15:39] but i dont recommend using it if you dont need to [15:39] use it if you KNOW you need to [15:39] IMO [15:39] <_arfon_> AWW, LP.net has saved my butt many times over the years..... Y you hatin? [15:39] <_arfon_> Slamd64 is WONDERFUL! [15:39] Copland_Vista (n=Rob@209.241.118.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] dartmouth: OK, try adding 'Option "DPMS" "false"' inside the Monitor section [15:39] Draenei (n=Draenei@unaffiliated/draenei) joined ##slackware. [15:39] _arfon_: GTFO [15:40] <_arfon_> That's what I'm running on my 64bit boxes [15:40] Urchlay: ok, but what exactly is that? [15:40] dartmouth: There indeed are. Xorg is pretty complicated under the hood. [15:40] lp is worse than worse than * [15:40] _arfon_: agreed, slamd64 is pretty great. Except for me apparently. [15:41] eviljames: yeah ill say. i was just saying in here that reading all the docs like you would with most packages is like a zen-buddhist-esque trial by fire [15:41] DPMS is what the monitor's using to report what modes it supports, and xorg is ignoring your Modes lines and using what DPMS reports (or anyway, that's one possibility. Not guaranteeing that I'm right, but I've seen this before) [15:41] <_arfon_> lp is ALOT better than- ./configure... ERROR. exiting on 1 [15:41] dartmouth: indeed, and you're pretty much bound to be burned like I am at the moment :P [15:41] fatio (n=a@92.229.50.208) left irc: "Leaving" [15:41] _arfon_: no. [15:41] _arfon_: it's not. [15:41] _arfon_: if you're referring to linuxpackages.net it is to be avoided at all costs. burn it with fire if you have to. [15:41] eviljames: ++ [15:42] Urchlay: ohhhhhhhh! [15:42] It is NOT better than installing from source, it isn't even as good as installing windows. [15:42] thank you so much [15:42] errors are usually there for a good reason [15:42] also check your Xorg.0.log for references to EDID, that's something else that does similar/same thing [15:42] <_arfon_> D/Ling packs from LP is SOOO much better than trying to compile packs and all the deps. [15:42] is there a way to disable that as well or is that a bad idea? [15:42] _arfon_: I have to disagree, man. [15:43] Who remembers the lp.net / malicious software connection and has a link? [15:43] or how about working out _why_ you have an error and fix it? [15:43] it won't hurt to disable it, be damned if I remember how to though :) [15:43] eviljames: i 'member but no link [15:43] eviljames: been looking for a link [15:43] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left ##slackware. [15:44] dartmouth: it's driver-specific actually... for the radeon driver it's 'Option "IgnoreEDID"', no idea what it is for fglrx though [15:44] eviljames: i think nullboy or that other guy...can't remember....might have one. i know mwalling has it bookmarked somewhere [15:44] http://rignesnet.tzo.com/archives/2007-07-24T16_51_23.html [15:44] Zordrak: plz provide to _arfon_. I have to go try and figure out why I'm getting stupid screwy xorg errors. [15:44] ^^^^ [15:44] Any of you using Amsn and fluxbox? [15:44] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-51-152.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Anakin (n=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [15:45] actually. You might also be needing to disable DDC [15:45] <_arfon_> Wow. I didn't know [15:45] i'm useiong fluxbox [15:45] Urchlay: that was actually my next question; i installed the prop drivers for my radeon hd 2400 pro and i am seeing two drivers referenced te fglrx and the radeonhd? [15:45] _arfon_: Now you do. [15:45] DDC? [15:45] _arfon_: That pretty much explains the hostility towards lp.net... [15:45] (and I might have been completely wrong about DPMS: that may have nothing to do with resolutions, I'm going by memory and "man radeon" here) [15:45] <_arfon_> I need to read that article... WHY would LP do that? [15:45] <_arfon_> That makes no sense [15:45] flxbox is my favorite window manager [15:46] Tux__ (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-51-152.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:46] LP bad :: Malicious [15:46] Slacky bad :: Morons [15:46] toastytoast: Same - but I have issues with amsn - sometimes the tray icon vanish's [15:46] dartmouth: yeah, but the radeonhd driver wasn't being used, in the first config you pasted... the ServerLayout told it to only use the Screen that was using the fglrx Driver [15:46] SlackBuilds.org :: The Shizzle! [15:46] alienBOB :: fo' shizzle ma' nizzle [15:46] why don;t you sjut use pidgin? [15:46] Urchlay: yes that's why im confused [15:46] toastytoast: I've never got on well with it [15:46] i have no idea what fglrx is thats what aticonfig told it to use [15:47] I personally think that LP article was a bad april fools joke (look at when it was apparently written) [15:47] But, I don't use LP.net anyway [15:47] well, fglrx is the name of the ATI proprietary driver. aticonfig is the setup utility for the driver... so that much makes sense, aticonfig adds fglrx to your config [15:47] alienBOB: still.. 3rd party builds from unknown sources..... [15:48] isn't lp.net the one that doesn't even provide sources, not even to the slackbuild scripts they use? [15:48] i had a problem with the version that came with 12.2 i eithe rupgraded or downgraded and it worked fine [15:48] Rather, LP.net was the *reason* I started writing SLackBuild scripts... [15:48] Urchlay: ^ [15:48] fcarazo (n=user@200.69.137.190) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [15:48] panzer (n=panzer@dsl017-120-043.bhm1.dsl.speakeasy.net) joined ##slackware. [15:49] alienBOB: + I would have thought if it was a joke gone wrong theyd make an attempt to tell people [15:49] dartmouth: you're confused partly because modern video interfacing is a confusing subject :) [15:49] alienBOB: all ive heard about it from them is nothing [15:50] Yep [15:51] lol @ "Right now we are only offering Slackware packages but we hope to expand in the near future to all major versions of Linux." [15:51] cos THAT'S gonna happen.. [15:52] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) left irc: "out" [15:52] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:53] What is the virtualbox binary called? After my re-install yesterday, i decided to recompile it with the SBo slackbuild. After installing, I can't find the binary, and their is no KDE menu entry [15:53] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-111-11.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:53] Copland (n=Rob@209.241.118.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] nathanbw: VirtualBox (note the capital V and B) [15:53] nathanbw: mine is in /usr/bin/VirtualBox [15:54] yeah.. that caught me out [15:54] which idiot decided to run caps [15:54] nathanbw: a more general answer though: after installing any package, you can see the file list for that package in /var/adm/packages/ [15:55] adm?! [15:55] adm? ewwww [15:55] eh, sorry, adm is actually a symlink to log, I dunno why I keep typing /var/adm/packages [15:55] you dirty bastard Urchlay [15:55] ;) [15:55] hey, I had a shower today [15:55] lies! [15:55] the CIA was spying on you all morning [15:56] ok let's try this lol [15:56] they must have been *really* bored [15:56] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:56] Urchlay, yeah the whole I reason I was confused was this: grep bin/ /var/log/packages/virtualbox-ose-2.1.4-i486-1_SBo -> yields only /usr/bin/VirtualBox [15:57] nathanbw: er, yes, that's the binary [15:57] wait, crap. I meant it only yields usr/bin/VBoxTunctl [15:57] oh. That ain't good. [15:57] :( i wish i didn't have to help ppl useing windows [15:57] It does NOT list /usr/binVirtualBox [15:57] toastytoast: get to the back of the line [15:58] possibly the build failed? [15:58] Yeah it's weird [15:58] Action: toastytoast goes to the back of the line [15:58] i ate all my smarties :( [15:58] wait where is this line at? [15:59] nathanbw: you're confusing the ell out of me... is there any reason it would not be normal to not have /usr/binVirtualBox, but to have /usr/bin/VirtualBox? [15:59] acidchild: move on to skittles [15:59] I've been reading through the build log. I don't get it, it is there, it's just not listed in /var/log/packages/... in fact 'grep VirtualBox /var/logpackages/.....' doesn't show it either [15:59] *hell [15:59] rg3 (n=deckard@90.168.209.132) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Zordrak, sorry for whatever reason I can't type today. I meant to type /usr/bin/VirtualBox [15:59] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [15:59] (that silly VBoxTunctl is an example of why I hate MixedCase... it ought to be VBoxTunCtl for consistency's sake. How the hell are we supposed to remember which letters are supposed to be capitals, if they don't even follow a sane scheme?) [15:59] so, is it there or now? [15:59] not [16:00] Anyway, it's installed (and running fine) but the package log in /var/log/packages doesn't include the binary. I dunno how that would have happened [16:00] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:00] nathanbw: ran out of space on / during the installpkg? [16:00] Urchlay: i nearly murdered a software engineer for setting up a shitload of svn repos with capitalised Trunk Tags and Branches [16:00] ugh [16:01] shoot them repeatedly Zordrak [16:01] Simple solution: use a VCS which really has those concepts as opposed to conventions [16:01] Also, /usr/share/applications/VirtualBox.desktop doesn't list a binary either [16:01] nathanbw: it isn't a binary, it's a little text file that KDE reads [16:01] Urchlay, df reports 8G free [16:01] nathanbw: build loig? [16:01] log? [16:02] nathanbw: well I was guessing anyway. But if /var/log/packages/VirtualBox-etcetc is missing a bunch of files from its list for whatever reason, you can't even cleanly uninstall the package [16:02] nathanbw: try 'tar tvf /path/to/VirtualBox-blahblah.tgz' [16:03] (see if the .tgz archive actually contains /usr/bin/VirtualBox or not) [16:03] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:03] Urchlay, yeah I know what the .desktop file was. I was missing the exec line in it, but I just saw it. I was thrown by the fact that it doesn't list a full path, just the name of the binary. [16:03] i would say at this point, the better option is to rebuild and take care to watch it at work [16:04] hi folks, i have a external disc with ntfs partition, when tried to mount it, tell that is marked as in use, how i can "unmarked it" [16:04] -o force [16:04] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl12-88-127.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:04] mannynix (n=mannynix@200.77.72.182) joined ##slackware. [16:04] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:04] iirc [16:05] man mount [16:06] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:06] NTFS-fs error (device sdb1): parse_options(): Unrecognized mount option force. [16:06] that may not help for ntfs options though [16:06] (doesn't slackware use FUSE-based NTFS support?) [16:07] try "man ntfs-3g" [16:07] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:08] except that man page actually tells you to use "force"... what are you actually mounting this with? [16:08] mount -t ntfs-3g -o force ... [16:08] in soviet russia slackware uses you [16:08] try that ^? [16:08] toastytoast: uh, right. [16:09] In soviet russia - toastytoast eats you [16:09] yes [16:09] unfortuanly [16:09] i live in america so i get eated all the time [16:09] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:10] ahaha [16:10] Urchlay, Zordrak sorry I'm a bit frazzled at the moment. Thanks for your help an input :-) Here is the log. I haven't finished reading it, but I haven't seen anything wrong yet: http://www.nathanbw.com/files/dl/irc/BuildLog.txt [16:10] That log was generated with ./virtualbox-ose.SlackBuild 2>&1 |tee BuildLog.txt [16:11] Removing symbolic links: ... removed `./usr/bin/VirtualBox' [16:11] which is why it ain't showing up in /var/log/packages [16:12] monstro (i=1000@201-92-42-165.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:12] Hmm idesk or fbdesk [16:12] on my (old) install of vbox, it's a symlink to /opt/vbox/VBox.sh [16:12] http://www.nathanbw.com/files/dl/irc/BuildLog.txt [16:12] usr/bin/VirtualBox -> /usr/lib/virtualbox/VBox [16:13] so it's moved in newer versions [16:13] its just a missing symlink [16:13] it's not even missing [16:13] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:13] oh.. i thought the pporblem was post-install [16:13] he just didn't know how to find it (symlinks don't show up in package file lists, he was grepping for bin/ and thus not finding it) [16:14] come to think of it .. i now remember coming across this myself.. the frigging idiots put their primaryu binary in lib [16:14] old versions were /opt, which I hate, but it sorta makes sense anyway [16:15] tbh i like opt for monolithic stuff like that [16:15] monstro (i=1000@189.111.18.97) joined ##slackware. [16:15] i just dislike words beginning with the letter 'o' for the fs :( [16:15] I guess the reason I hate /opt so much is left over from admining ancient solaris 2.6 and 7 boxes [16:15] acidchild: ooooo..k [16:16] Urchlay: yeah but at least theres no /opt/csw :) [16:16] linux has lots of things starting with 'k' and 'x' and 'g' [16:16] Zordrak: a computer has to be visualy pleasing :) [16:16] everything on old solaris installs into /opt/ where the is only allowed to be a characters long, and the first 4 characters are always SUNW (the vendor) [16:16] Urchlay: i STILL live wiht that [16:16] so there was no humanly possible way to look at "ls /opt" and tell from the 4-character names what the hell you have installed [16:16] Yeah, here's the package log from /var/log/packages: http://www.nathanbw.com/files/dl/irc/virtualbox-o.se-2.1.4-i486-1_SBo.txt [16:16] im doing everything i can to replace the last solaris 7 boxes with slack.,..but is taking time [16:17] nathanbw: so., you're clear on what the deal is now? [16:17] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Leaving." [16:17] also the /devices tree on solaris 7 is... interesting [16:18] dont get me started [16:18] and believe it or not I originally started learning solaris as a hobbyist.. for *fun* [16:18] youll have me complaining about /net [16:18] Urchlay: get your coat [16:18] it's like 85 degrees in here, not coat-wearing weather [16:18] Zordrak, Oh! So doinst.sh actually made the symbolic link, so It isn't listed in the file list? [16:19] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:19] (in fact WTF, why haven't I turned on the attic fan yet?) [16:19] nathanbw: yeah [16:19] Jeez I'm slow today [16:19] haha [16:19] makepkg deletes symlinks and adds them to the install script [16:19] if its called with -l y [16:19] thanks for suffering my foolishness today. Thanks Zordrak and Urchlay :-p [16:19] which usually it is [16:20] yeah, and removepkg looks for them by grepping the install script... for a *very specific* pattern (with no leading whitespace, for one thing) [16:20] Zordrak: yeah i think if i had the power i'd get rid of the letter 'o [16:20] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [16:20] 'o' [16:20] from the english language. [16:20] I just found that out last week, was trying to do something fancy in a doinst.sh, and when I removed my package the symlinks didn't get removed [16:20] Lol ;| [16:20] acidchild: are you on crack> [16:20] nope [16:21] every line youve said has had an o in it [16:21] i'm not saying its a unused letter. [16:21] just dislike it. [16:21] if you get rid of the letter "o", you can't smoke dOpe any more, or Opium, or shoot herOin... [16:21] :P [16:21] Kool-Aid (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Urchlay: weed, smack.. it's all do-able [16:22] :D [16:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_8Om5pqcKQ [16:22] video is kinda funny [16:22] ;/ [16:23] raela|alt (n=raela@206.21.75.52) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:24] haha [16:24] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:24] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:25] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [16:25] also if you officially removed O from Unicode and everyone's keyboard, they'd just use 0 and type a bunch of ann0ying typ0graphical 0ffal... [16:25] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.187) joined ##slackware. [16:26] l0l [16:26] afternoon slackers [16:26] hi vastina [16:26] anyone have any experience with tightvnc? looking for opinions, have a microsoft linux openbsd network [16:26] vastina: realvnc instead [16:27] these stupid video game characters never heard of "stop, drop, and roll" then? [16:27] Zordrak: i'll accept that after why [16:27] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:27] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [16:27] what's the chief differences i should ask [16:27] last time I used tightvnc was 5-6 years ago I think (or did it even exist back then?) [16:27] aperturefever` (n=abell@athedsl-192698.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] vastina: always worked better for me [16:28] better function [16:28] better ui [16:28] whatever I used worked just fine, but I only used it between Linux hosts, no windows or bsd [16:28] firebird619: and hi to you as well, appreciate the greet [16:28] less buggyness [16:29] Zordrak: more mature code in otherwords, no? [16:29] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] kinda [16:29] dartmouth: so did it work? [16:29] like vbox its sponsored by cash [16:29] not just goodwill [16:30] jumperboy (n=jorey@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] realvnc is what they call the original AT&T-released VNC now? [16:30] *shrug* [16:30] speaking of vbox, what makes that thing tick, does it need virtualization enabled in the kernel? or does it do fine all in userspace? [16:31] Hi Pig_Pen. How are you? [16:31] mixnmatch [16:31] Zordrak: appreciate the input, have my supervisor eyeballing tightvnc, and i'm trying to weight out the alternatives, strengths and shortcomings [16:31] I use realvnc as well as tightvnc [16:31] Pig_Pen: you can turn on cpu virt extensions.. or not [16:31] etc [16:31] Urchlay: i dont know my wifi puked; the last thing i saw before i reconnected was me saying 'wtf' [16:31] good, hows it going firebird619 [16:31] alienBOB: what are your thoughts? [16:31] You do not get realvnc for 64bit Linux... [16:31] vastina: make up your own mind by using both [16:31] can only tdell you my opinion is real is better [16:31] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Pig_Pen: going great. Was this the keyboard you were going to get: http://tinyurl.com/cqkufx? [16:31] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:32] plus.. wthere paid for properly or not. the enterprise version of realvnc is absolutely unparalleled [16:32] I really dislike the tightvnc login dialog though... ugly and bare. The realvnc one is better [16:32] Zordrak: that's given, but i'm just observing the concensus of the crowd with experience [16:32] Functionally I can not tell the difference though [16:32] alienBOB: how come no 64-bit? silly stuff in the C code that depends on ints/pointers being 32 bits? [16:33] yup, thats the one firebird619 or something with about the same specs [16:33] Urchlay: realvnc comes precompiled, and I never bothered to build the source for it [16:33] ah [16:33] Building tightvnc is easy though [16:33] alienBOB: so, you'd just say realvnc has login advantages in streamline, otherwise, about the same? [16:33] cd ~/slackbuilds/tightvnc && ./tightvnc.SlackBuild :) [16:33] hjb (n=hjb@e176249029.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Connection timed out [16:33] You could try both vastina and base your opinion on hands-on experience [16:33] Pig_Pen: with that one, if you use coupon code EMCLRPL26 on newegg, you can get it for $44.99 and free S&H between now and May 6. [16:34] 21:31:40 < Zordrak> vastina: make up your own mind by using both [16:34] alienBOB: like i said to Zordrak, i will do that, just asking for opinions, and thanks again for yours [16:34] thanks [16:35] Zordrak: i can read mate :) [16:35] Pig_Pen: yw. I get the newegg newsletter so I get deals like that with coupon codes and the like. [16:35] i get those too, i guess i never looked for that [16:35] never noticed them [16:36] Pig_Pen: I just got that one this morning. [16:36] i just look at the main bargains and if it does not interest me i delete it [16:36] but it's amongst their other deals, so it can easily be missed. [16:37] yeah [16:37] Pig_Pen: Yeah, for this one you'd have to click the "Click for More Deals" and scroll down a ways. [16:37] ok, will do next time i get one [16:39] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:40] I read through it all though; I'm always looking for good deals. [16:40] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-206209.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:40] Nick change: aperturefever` -> aperturefever [16:40] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:41] i always look for good deals too, i just dont always have the cash on hand to throw down on em [16:41] Pig_Pen: heh, same here. :) [16:42] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:42] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] oh god... what moron came up with the term road-warrior to describe working from anywhere? when i think road warrior, i think of queefing or some crap mel gibson film [16:43] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [16:43] queefing? [16:44] Hi straterra. How are you? [16:44] HTF does air leaving a vagina make you think road warrior? [16:44] straterra: see South Park - Eat, Pray, Queef [16:44] I'm fine [16:44] Tickless Linux timer: VirtualBox currently does not work well on Linux kernels with tickless timer support http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/User_FAQ [16:44] that's how straterra [16:44] um.. [16:44] No sense [16:45] like i said... see South Park - Eat, Pray, Queef [16:45] I've seen EVERY episode [16:45] really? [16:45] straterra: mrtwig ? [16:45] then look up Eat, Pray, Queef [16:46] Yes..and have every episode except for this season's archived [16:46] go to southparkstudios.com or xepisodes.com [16:46] watch the episode, laugh, then understand why i made that comment [16:47] actually, vbox works ok with tickless [16:47] or it just "disables" tickless'ing but it is stable [16:47] who should i believe? the author of Vbox's wiki? or Camarade_Tux ? [16:47] or even youtube with the search string "South Park Road Warrior" [16:47] to cut to the best part [16:48] "road warrior" wasn't a crap film :) [16:48] heh [16:48] Urchlay: everyone has their opinions, i simply stated mine [16:49] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:49] agree that it's a dumb name for people who work on the road [16:49] i liked the Road Warrier, and the other one [16:49] anyone know a good front end on to cups? [16:49] thunderdome [16:49] Action: vastina will never spend such an exasperating amount of time explaining stupid crap any longer [16:49] Who run Bartertown? [16:49] that ogre and the midget [16:50] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] life could get that way someday if the people in power screw up the existing system beyond repair which they seem to be doing a little at a time [16:51] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:51] I don't care how screwed up the world gets, even if I go completely crazy, I wouldn't wander the desert for 10+ years in between battles without even changing my shirt [16:52] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] if civilization gets trashed you might not be able to get a new t-shirt, just have to wash the one you have in a river [16:54] i agree i surely wont want to live in a desert, i would rather live where food can grow and animals can be hunted and eater [16:54] eaten* [16:54] I'd kill something and learn to make a new shirt from its hide [16:54] or learn to go shirtless & get a tan [16:54] being a type of rouge would be much cooler unless you sucked at it growing your own food is way to ahd [16:54] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:55] altho i don't say you should dteal it either cuz thats kinda hard as well [16:55] anyway he somehow managed to change his oil every 3,000 miles, surely he coulda found a new shirt to wear [16:56] Urchlay: i got it working [16:56] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:56] dartmouth: nice. What'd it turn out to be? [16:57] added "EnableRandR12=Sfalse" under [AMDPCSROOT/SYSTEM/DDX] section in /etc/ati/amdpcsdb and then added the option in the devices section of my xorg.conf [16:57] funky. [16:57] if the animal was the right size and if you skinned it just right you could use the front legs part of the skin as shirt sleeves, and buttons along the stomach, even keep the skin from the head as a hood :D [16:57] a large dog or wolf or cougar, maybe a small bear [16:57] And yes, I still think there's no earthly reason why that whole thing should be so weird. [16:57] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:58] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] well, xorg's syntax was originally designed for a simpler world, where there just weren't that many options and exceptions to rules [16:58] and the /etc/ati stuff you can't blame on xorg, that's squarely the fault of ATI :) [16:58] i have a feeling we'll start seeing xorg or xorg forks that are much simpler. [16:58] whew! i had a few minor problems with nvidia drivers just because this HDTV does not give out EDID info, but nothing that bad [16:59] actually your original problem came from an attempt at doing things simply: it was autodetecting stuff for you, but for some reason the autodetection was getting wrong/bad results [16:59] good, xorg is a mess (like gnome) xfree86 is lots easier to build [16:59] like....if there were a standard for driver structure and configuration [17:00] there is one [17:00] oh shit, I said the 'S' word [17:00] er, one for each [17:00] haha [17:00] yeah [17:00] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:00] I think if everyone in the mix put their heads together it'd be a totally new thing to configure. [17:01] skibur (n=skibur@72-255-14-140.client.stsn.net) joined ##slackware. [17:01] lots of things come in to play though, EDID info from monitors, graphics card makers dont give enough info out to developers, those two are the bigger causes of problems [17:01] all driver-specific config is supposed to be done via the Option keyword in the Device section. Not xorg's fault if ATI decides to invent their own /etc/ati directory with their own weird stuff there [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-106-149.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] Urchlay: i was more or less referring to getting driver developers to create some kind of uniformity [17:02] and you're supposed to be able to go "man " to get a list of all the Option keywords and what they do (this works if you're using the radeon driver: "man radeon" is great) [17:03] yeah no fglrx man. some have tried to make some adhoc docs bu theyre largely incomplete [17:03] thats on ati again tho [17:03] the only ATI card I have that might be able to use fglrx, is too old to be supported in the newer fglrx releases [17:04] and the old releases of fglrx are too old to work with newer 2.6 kernels [17:04] if it weren't for the open source radeon driver I'd be getting crap performance [17:04] well something bugs me. I don't particularly understand why the drivers have to be proprietary. [17:04] they aren't -selling- the drivers. [17:04] they're selling the hardware [17:04] because the company that makes the card, doesn't want to give out the technical specs that would be required for writing a free driver [17:05] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:05] they should at least make an open source driver that actually works good with X [17:05] i see no difference between providing free windows drivers and free linux drivers. you still bought the hardware [17:05] (they're maybe afraid their competitors would be able to "steal all their great ideas" by reading the docs) [17:05] they dont pay extra for windows drivers (users) [17:05] krall8 (i=d01b4509@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-03ea36d4fcab5ad7) joined ##slackware. [17:06] dartmouth: from that point of view, ATI and Nvidia do provide "free linux drivers". They don't cost money... [17:06] it sounds to me like 'microsoft is good to us because we make sure our stuff doesnt work as well on linux' [17:06] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [17:06] free as in "free beer" not free as in freedom to see the code [17:06] it's just that, on Windows, nobody expects drivers to be open source, so they don't complain about it [17:06] Pig_Pen: well, by that definition of "free", there are no free Windows drivers either [17:06] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] about the only free (as in freedom) you can install in windows is the cross platform stuff you also find in Linux, firefox, seamonkey, openoffice, & etc... [17:08] dont get me wrong, I hate proprietary drivers as much as the next free software zealot, I just don't see a way to talk the manufacturers into providing enough information for anyone to actually write one [17:08] nope, its been tried before, they wont do it [17:08] hi - trying to mount a dd output file of a ntfs drive using a loop command and it says wrong fs type or bad superblock. Any one know an idea why? it's on slackware 12 [17:08] (without their docs, you get reverse-engineered drivers like radeon/radeonhd, which eventually will work great, but it takes years of development, and by the time they're perfect, the supported cards are all obsolete...) [17:09] krall8: you actually using "mount -t ntfs-3g ..."? [17:09] mount -t ntfs /path/to/dd_outputfile /mountpoint ? not sure if this will work [17:09] Pig_Pen, you should believe me ;-) [17:09] krall8: also, is it a dd dump of an *entire drive* or just one partition? [17:09] Urchlay: i see no reason why a hardware manufacturer, or a company getting its income from hardware sales (not software sales -- they arent selling the proprietary drivers--) would have any concern about keeping their drivers out of the open source community beyond some kind of informal arrangement with proprietary os developers [17:09] yes usrchlay [17:10] Urchlay: it is the entire drive i think [17:10] ok, i believe!!! i believe!!! [17:10] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:10] Pig_Pen, vbox would have been working badly with tickless kernels for more than one year and meanwhile they have added opengl support and tons of other things, I guess they have improved that ;-) [17:10] but only has one partition (ntfs) [17:10] Pig_Pen: you can mount the dd output file on a loopback device. it's iso, right? [17:11] krall8: in that case, you can't loop mount it without knowing the offset to the start of the partition (and I can't remember how to find that out...) [17:11] dartmouth: he said ntfs, not iso [17:11] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [17:11] radeon/radeonhd are *NOT* reverse-engineered. [17:11] sfdisk -l -uS gives the offset in sectors, then multiply by 512. [17:11] i guess so, i never did it, but if it makes somthing like a disk image maybe [17:11] Azalyn: are they not? [17:11] Urchlay: ? no no no. you can have an ntfs partition in an iso file [17:11] ATI released their documentation [17:11] for both 2D and 3D [17:11] full specs? [17:12] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [17:12] it happened shortly after AMD acquired them. [17:12] it's probably 63, so use: [17:12] yes, full specs. a result of AMD's influence. [17:12] echo "63*512" | bc [17:12] for your offset [17:12] Azalyn: so the radeonhd drivers are superior? [17:12] Camarade_Tux: i am considering using vbox, i am unsure if i should build a new kernel optimized for vbox = disable tickless and enable virtualization in the kernel [17:12] dartmouth: erm. "iso files" are iso9660 cd-rom filesystems. You could have a CD filesystem containing a file that happens to be a dump of an NTFS filesystem, but that's an extra "layer" [17:13] sfdisk shows it as 63 [17:13] that's why those two have been advancing so much over the past year, notice that nouveau (the nvidia opensource driver project) hasn't had anywhere near that level of success, because nouveau *is* reverse-engineered. [17:13] intel drivers are also fully open by the way. [17:13] how is the offset in the command? [17:13] Azalyn: ah, I did not know that... in which case, we can expect great things from radeon/radeonhd in the next couple of xorg releases. Nice. [17:13] Urchlay: yeah, but there's a problem that might delay it. [17:13] hm? [17:13] there's many changes in 3d on linux now. [17:13] look up gallium3d [17:14] oh. Yeah, I looked at that a while bacjk [17:14] mount -t ntfs-3g -o loop,offset=32256 file.dd /mnt/point [17:14] thought it was specific to some driver or another though [17:14] look at man mount [17:14] you mean it's going to replace the whole opengl/glx/dri/drm stack? [17:15] yit's going to replace mesa in some ways, but not in others (mesa is currently used to compile hardware drivers, but mesa was originally a *software* renderer for opengl) [17:15] dri is being replaced by DRI2 [17:15] glx is just the windowing, so i don't think that'll be replaced. [17:15] bleah. Just when I've finally got everything actually working, the whole tower of Jenga blocks is going to get knocked out from under me [17:15] also, mode-setting is going to be in the kernel, and this is probably the largest change [17:16] this is why I'm seriously considering "retiring" from the whole computer industry and getting a shitty job like bartender or cab driver [17:16] fedora already merged the kernel mode-setting patch. [17:16] krall8 (i=d01b4509@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-03ea36d4fcab5ad7) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [17:16] Pig_Pen, building a kernel is really fast so if you really wonder, you can try, it shouldn't take more than one hour to check everything [17:16] despite the fact that it's not even merged in kernel yet. [17:17] yeah, i can do the kernel build without a problem, 10 minute job [17:17] kernel mode-setting is completely useless on non-intel graphic cards, I don't get why they are in such a hurry [17:17] trust red hat to merge in unstable bleeding edge stuff, then patch it with a bunch of leaky bandages and ignore the scabs... [17:17] so basically, instead of Xorg setting your resolution, it'll be in the kernel, and all associated code with it. which i guess means we can have console at any resolution we want now :| [17:17] monstro (i=1000@189.111.18.97) left irc: Client Quit [17:17] Camarade_Tux: yeah but the ATI guys are next. [17:17] i have a good kernel .config, i just load it with menuconfig and make changes i need and save & build [17:17] ugh. Isn't "video drivers are in the kernel" one of the complaints about windows NT based OSes? [17:17] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:18] oh, and one more thing, shader support is still being worked on for the opensource drivers. they're doing it for intel [17:18] nouveau guys are also working on it but they need an xserver >= 1.5 ='( [17:18] once the shader 'engine' is written though, they'll be able to use it for all the drivers. [17:18] Urchlay: nope, that's GDI [17:18] GDI is more equivalent to X11 [17:18] well, if i am going to run virtualbox i might as well rebuild a kernel optimsed for it to get the best performance out of virtualbox [17:18] I just pulled a BOFH. :) [17:19] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:19] Urchlay, one of the reason of that complain is because of instability, and in linux "external" drivers will still be needed [17:19] the current drivers aren't necessarily all in userland either.. :| [17:19] true [17:19] that's why you have the direct rendering manager driver in the kernel [17:19] or the nvidia kernel module [17:19] Some of my PC's are before my time and have games installed on them. This user has gotten a couple viruses lately and she just started so we yanked her internet access. I checked out her PC and saw that MS games were there so i renamed the folder to: "Super Happy Fun Super Time Internet Mega Virus" [17:20] with kernel mode setting you can apparently do instant switching between console and X [17:20] it's pretty cool [17:20] yeah, this sounds to me like there'll be more of it in the kernel than there already is, but I suppose it's just a minor detail at this point [17:20] no lag/delay [17:20] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [17:20] hm. Monitor still takes a sec to resync though, if it's a different res [17:21] (especially a CRT that wants to degauss itself at mode change) [17:21] Urchlay: well, it probably also means the kernel can design a universal 'core' for all graphics cards that will be safe and well tested. sort of like how all wifi card drivers are being changed to use the mac80211 driver layer. [17:22] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] alruna (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] by merging redundant code, you can have one proper interface, and maintainability and quality improve. you keep only the code that is different between the chipsets in different drivers. any 'common' code is shared. [17:22] and how will nvidia's proprietary driver fit with all this? will they have to basically rewrite it from scratch (sounds that way to me)? [17:22] ? [17:23] right now there seem to be too many dirty hacks to get video hardware accel in linux. [17:23] Urchlay: not really. they'll just tweak their kernel driver to do mode setting there. [17:23] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [17:24] so the future infrastructure is almost totally different. [17:25] on the X11 side, we already have XRandR and they support the event interface for HID input devices.. [17:25] there's also multi-pointer X (MPX) that will be coming eventually, which is for touchscreen support. [17:26] allows multiple mice and keyboards with independent pointers/focus, etc. [17:26] was wondering if that would ever happen [17:26] then on the lower end, dri2, gallium3d, maybe a new mesa? and uh.. the shader code. [17:26] a couple years back I was trying to figure out a way to set up 2 X servers, each with its own monitor/keyboard/mouse [17:27] (think it's possible now with /dev/input/event* devices, it wasn't back then far as I could tell) [17:27] the radeon/radeonhd drivers have already switched to coding to gallium3d i think. so they're already designing their stuff for the new architecture. it's a shame but we may have to wait until all that shit is stable before experiencing the glory of open ati drivers that surpass the proprietary ones. :P [17:28] oh, there is *one* thing that hasn't been documented in the ATI cards, the UVD, which is used to accelerate playback of WMV/VC-1 and H.264/AVC video.. it's the "Unified Video Decoder" chipset. [17:28] they don't own that, so they can't open it apparently. [17:29] but you don't really need that if you have a cpu powerful enough to do h264 [17:29] too bad, that'd be useful for my low-end media box [17:29] bbiaf, i am going to give that a spin, 1. build kernel optimized for vbox, 2. install vbox, try various installs of BSD and win95 :D [17:29] (I suppose the old ATI card I have in there wouldn't have UVD anyway) [17:30] any last words before i go? [17:30] especially since the ffmpeg guys are working on multithreaded libavcodec. [17:30] Pig_Pen: "may the Force be with you" [17:30] i tested that work from svn. i was able to play a 1080p anime i got on my athlon 2.5GHz x2 [17:30] good enough, thanks Urchlay, laters [17:30] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:30] kept stuttering before i got the multithreaded version [17:30] DUDE! EAT PRAY QUEEF, WORST EPISODE EVER! [17:32] Urchlay: well, uvd might not be impossible to reverse engineer. at least we've gone from an entire video card with it's 2d/3d specs, to just one little component that accelerates HD video decoding. [17:32] I'm still waiting to see if nvidia will cave. Right now they're not worried, but when the open drivers get stable, it'll be a different ballgame. [17:33] by the time all this stuff ends up stable and supported in a Slackware release, I'll surely not be running the same hardware I am now... just means I'll buy ATI next time [17:33] yeah, i've decided i'm going to get ati for my next box. [17:34] my current "good" box is now so old that the only parts I can keep are the case, power supply, and drives [17:34] to be honest i'm planning to make it a test machine and gaming machine. so i won't be leaving any OS on it permanently, and might have xp on it to game. (with a kvm connected to both boxes) [17:35] switching case has a lot to say for cooling [17:35] (actually not too sure about the power supply, the standard may have changed on that yet again) [17:35] Urchlay: yeah, like sata power [17:35] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:35] snL20: it doesn't run hot now. It does run *loud* from the 6 hard drives and all the fans [17:35] so my current box will still be my primary linux machine (and for irc, web browsing, etc), hence, i won't need to worry about the drivers on the other box for awhile.. [17:35] nah, I have sata-powered drives in here [17:35] Urchlay: ok :) [17:35] when the ati drivers get stable, i'll just make that box the main. [17:35] aceofspa1es19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] for cooling i think i'll just stick a mega fan on the back. heh [17:37] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [17:37] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:37] jnz_ (n=jnz_@host58-24-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: ""Muovendosi cambia" - Sbancor" [17:37] beware... I built a box with a giant fan on it, it cools great, but sounds like a vacuum cleaner [17:37] i have this giant server one that's not in use. right now i have to keep my case open to prevent overheating. :| [17:37] (originally didn't matter, it was in an unused room, then I rented the room out...) [17:38] giant fans are supposed to be quieter usually. they can suck more air out of the case at lower speeds than a smaller fan, which has to spin at jet engine speeds to get the same air out [17:38] my antec case works great only a 80mm fan though :) [17:38] well, this fan came from an old 1980s server cabinet at a junkyard [17:38] if you look at the cases advertised as 'quiet', they all have large fans. [17:38] Urchlay: lol [17:38] in fact, I looked up the fan model #, the same part was used in some shop vacs! [17:39] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [17:39] the case i'm planning to use doesn't even have a standard slot for the connector backplate, i'd have to make one or just leave it open. [17:39] my newest case has 3 120mm fans and it is really quiet [17:39] had metal blades, as I found out the hard way... [17:39] acidchild (n=ash@brouter.sevenl.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:40] Gorodish (n=rafenato@cpe-98-150-162-231.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:40] anyway I'll probably never be able to afford "the new hotness" at any given time [17:40] heh. i'm just gonna paint the case with vinyl dye [17:40] and *make* it the new hotness. [17:41] I mean the fast CPUs, high capacity drives, de luxe motherboards [17:41] oh. [17:41] the case doesn't matter, I hardly ever even look at it [17:41] i don't mind as long as i never have to use another ide drive ever again. [17:41] death to IDE. [17:41] I won't miss IDE much [17:41] but when are we getting SATA CD/DVD drives? [17:41] who would? [17:41] Urchlay: I got a papst fan once that sounded like a jet engine, forgot about using that :) [17:41] they're already out. [17:42] there have been SATA CD/DVD drives for years [17:42] same price as IDE ones, or you pay extra? [17:42] and affordable but just not mainstream [17:42] ok, lemme rephrase. When am I going to go to a retail store and see SATA CD/DVD drives on the shelves? I don't buy things I can't easily return [17:43] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136152 [17:43] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-432815.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] Urchlay: hehe, I've given up on buying computer parts in stores :) [17:43] me too [17:43] never find what you want [17:43] and pay 25-50% more [17:44] http://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/27-136-152-04.jpg [17:44] sexy, isn't it? ^ [17:46] jaguargt (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:47] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-25-60.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:48] Nick change: jaguargt -> dhabyx [17:49] snL20: well, (a) I refuse to get a credit card, and (b) I'm a big scary intimidating looking guy, might as well use that to my advantage [17:49] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] customer service will service the customer a lot more if the customer looks like he might beat the crap out of them [17:50] eh [17:50] credit paranoia is teh fail. [17:50] (note: I don't actually do that, or even say I might, I just glare at them...) [17:50] credit is how people make money. [17:50] well, it's not exactly paranoia [17:50] hi, python is installed by default with slack 12.2, but where is IDLE ? [17:50] as long as you pay your bill, no problem. [17:50] kevin01123 (n=kevin@24-182-233-130.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] Gorodish (n=rafenato@cpe-98-150-162-231.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: [17:50] i use my cc to build credit. [17:50] I'm not worried about the government or whoever tracking me by credit card purchases, so much [17:51] I'm worried about my complete lack of ability to manage money [17:51] at least with cash, I can only lose what I had to start with [17:52] lol [17:52] fun stuff [17:52] Urchlay: I have a visa card but not a `credit´ card [17:52] I tried using a debit card for a while [17:53] money that's just a number in an account somehow doesn't seem as "real", I go through it like water [17:53] Urchlay: heh ok [17:53] i don't really buy much. [17:53] food mostly. [17:53] I'm not worrying about "what might happen", I'm trying to prevent a reoccurrence of "what already happened" [17:54] jaguargt (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:54] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:55] i like to save as much money as possible though, so online i like to use paypal with my cc. [17:55] how's that save money? you get a discount for using it? [17:55] i usually buy from ncix, but now that newegg.ca has opened, i might use them too. (newegg didn't ship to canada before) [17:55] Urchlay: products are *always* cheaper online. [17:55] always. [17:55] is there a way to install Python IDLE in slackware 12.2 ? [17:55] especially for stupid shit like cables/adapters/etc [17:56] Nick change: jaguargt -> dhabyx [17:56] in a retail store you can pay up to like 10 dollars for just a basic ordinary cable, and up to 50 bucks for those "HD quality" cables that are super-shielded. [17:56] cables/adaptors/etc, I usually get from hole-in-the-wall computer shops, or a computer salvage yard (if they hadn't all gone out of business in my area) [17:56] it's stupid. [17:57] even at hole in the wall. [17:57] i've seen shops selling sata-to-molex power adapters for TEN dollars [17:57] i was like holy fuck... on ebay i can get 10 for 5 dollars i bet. [17:57] used to be, the hole-in-the-wall people knew me, and I could help them out with troubleshooting cranky used equipment [17:57] Azalyn: Best Buy sells them for 18.95 [17:58] eviljames: lol, seriously? [17:58] Or you could probably get MONSTER CABLE for 189.95 [17:58] these days they don't want to know me because they're all family-owned and non-english-speaking, so I'm a "foreigner" to them [17:58] Azalyn: I don't know from experience, but I've had people tell me they spent 20 or so for molex-to-sata, not the otherway around. [17:58] sorry for the dumb question, i was just educated. [17:58] nice. [17:59] thanks again [17:59] bleah, I seem stuck in ramble mode, sorry [17:59] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:59] Urchlay: i just rambled for an hour, so it's fine. :) [17:59] Urchlay: Just learn Mandarin already... they're going to take over the planet eventually.. :P [17:59] i like ranting about TEH FUTAR OF LUNIX. [18:00] eviljames: I might learn the language but how could I afford the Gattaca-style medical stuff to make me look authentic? (that bit where they make him 6" shorter by removing a chunk of his legs... ow!) [18:01] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:01] my home *is* a computer salvage yard. [18:01] heh [18:01] i have so much junk that i don't know what to do with it [18:01] Urchlay: You won't have to. Just learn rudimentary Mandarin and then move to China for a while.. they'll treat you like a rock star! :P [18:01] i say burn it [18:01] i'd like to fix all these pc's up into boxes and then maybe sell them as prebuilt firewall boxes. [18:02] i really want to get rid of all my IDE kit for one. [18:02] like 15 or so ide drives.. i have another 8 or so SCSI that i'm gonna hold on to. [18:02] ide kiot? [18:02] kit^ [18:02] yeah, kit. slang. [18:03] just another way of saying my ide stuff. [18:03] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-215-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] out of all this junk, i still don't have a usb hub though. pathetic. :| [18:04] hahaha [18:05] remember the first usb hubs, all huge for 2 ports >.<; [18:06] Azalyn: I still have a couple of boxes of 1G and 2G SCSI-1 drives [18:06] like 2 boxes bigger than milk crates, can barely lift either one [18:06] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:08] (have an archaic digital recording board that uses them, you get something like 3hrs of 4-track music on a 1 gig drive) [18:09] DareDevil0 (n=linux@201.201.187.14) joined ##slackware. [18:09] that can't be right, it's uncompressed CD-quality audio, but with twice as many tracks. More like 45 minutes per gigabyte. Still not bad [18:09] really now? [18:09] Hi everybody how can i configure the keyboard via console [18:10] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:10] DareDevil0: loadkeys... [18:11] thanks snL20 [18:11] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) joined ##slackware. [18:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:14] ivan8013 (n=ivan8013@72.100.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) joined ##slackware. [18:17] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [18:19] gm152 (n=glen@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:20] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [18:21] greetings antiwire [18:21] hello! [18:21] ;) [18:21] good to see your carcus [18:21] snL20, when I reboot the keyboard is in english again, where can i find the conf file? [18:22] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.253) joined ##slackware. [18:23] rg3 (n=deckard@90.168.209.132) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:25] sirukin (n=sirukin@pdpc/supporter/active/sirukin) joined ##slackware. [18:25] VanRoy (n=kitsilan@mna75-2-82-67-196-165.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:25] Which software raid was deprecated? memory .. fails .. me... jedi ... powers... useless! [18:26] eh? old LVM, in favor of LVM2, maybe? [18:27] Urchlay: mercy buckets. [18:27] mercy juice ewwww [18:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Success [18:27] heh, I can't even remember enough French to make fun of it properly [18:28] I have a few French and a few Quebecois friends, I thoroughly enjoy mocking all of them. [18:28] (maybe if I pronounce "parlez-vous Francais?" so it rhymes with "crankcase"...) [18:29] I'm glad you caught that instead of just calling me an idiot though :P [18:29] bleah, I just did what may be the most disgusting thing I'll do for weeks [18:29] Please, tell me all about it. In detail. [18:29] landlady just bought 150lbs of cow shit (manure, for the garden), I helped her move it from truck to garden [18:29] one of the bags split open [18:29] uggh [18:30] So yo uate it? [18:30] gross. [18:30] eh, no, didn't eat it. Bad enough I got it on my hands [18:30] you'd think a literal sack of shit would come in an industrial-strength sack, maybe double-bagged [18:30] _RadioHead (n=User@82.114.75.253) left irc: "Leaving" [18:31] Can anybody tell me why I can't find the files in rc0.d in slack [18:31] or in rc1.d [18:31] I mean I should have file there [18:31] but there aren' [18:31] but there aren't [18:31] Because that's not the init system slackware uses. [18:31] eviljames, give a link so that i can study that please [18:32] and how does it works [18:32] Check the topic, lots of things to read there. [18:32] look in /etc/rc.d [18:34] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [18:35] DareDevil0: the only way files will be in /etc/rc0.d will be if you put some there [18:35] sirukin (n=sirukin@pdpc/supporter/active/sirukin) left ##slackware. [18:35] (by installing a "foreign" package like an RPM maybe) [18:35] nille (i=1000@c-94-255-245-44.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [18:35] you could put them in /etc/rc.d/rc0.d though [18:35] thanks eviljames and Urchlay [18:35] Urchlay, them how slack load the services [18:36] /etc/rc0.d is a symlink to /etc/rc.d/rc0.d :) [18:36] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@bowmore.c3sl.ufpr.br) joined ##slackware. [18:36] DareDevil0: various scripts in /etc/rc.d/ whose names are rc.something. The main ones are rc.S and rc.M [18:36] Urchlay, got it [18:36] I was looking in the wrong directory thank you [18:37] Uffff as much as I know of linux as much as I like it [18:37] I am just learning but is good [18:37] sometimes I have doubt when I study [18:37] if you're learning the init scripts, you might edit them and change the "#!/bin/sh" to "#!/bin/sh -x" at the top of each script. That'll show you each command just before it gets executed, good for learning [18:38] Urchlay, thanks I will try it [18:38] or do what I did many years ago, add "starting $0" and "ending $0" at the top/bottom of each script [18:38] ok [18:39] just be careful if you do edit them, don't hose anything (especially if you're new to Linux and Slack, you might end up with an unbootable system that you don't know how to recover yet) [18:39] ouch, no luck to boot slack12.2 from an USB stick =( [18:39] but, eh, your nick is DareDevil0, you probably know no fear [18:40] xMDKx: boot the CD or an install? [18:40] Urchlay, jajajajaja [18:40] eh. 'echo "starting $0"' at the top, 'echo "ending $0"' at the bottom, to be more accurate [18:40] aperturefever (n=abell@athedsl-192698.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "-" [18:40] UR [18:40] Urchlay, I am using a virtual machine [18:40] to test [18:40] agentc0re|work: I installed slack12.2 on an USB stick, and want to run it [18:41] so if i crash it doesn't matter at all i will try to fix it [18:41] ah, snapshot it, then you've got nothing to worry about if you do break it [18:41] xMDKx: did you create an initrd? [18:41] yes [18:41] what happens when you try to boot? [18:42] but when boot from usb, I get only a lot of beeps, no display [18:42] Urchlay, why I can find any file neither in /etc/rc.d/rc3.d [18:43] DareDevil0: same reason. All the /etc/rc.d/rc?.d/ directories are only there for compatibility with non-Slackware stuff [18:43] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.180.189.197) joined ##slackware. [18:43] there are some good tutorial on how to install and boot on the right way? [18:43] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) joined ##slackware. [18:43] hey all [18:43] DareDevil0: also /etc/rc.d/init.d is the same way. Slackware packages shouldn't ever put anything in any of those directories [18:44] xMDKx: first google search: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [18:44] hi compl3x how are you tonight? [18:44] nille: very good thankyou, yourself? [18:44] agentc0re|work: no no no [18:44] i'm fine [18:44] agentc0re|work: I don't want to install from a usb [18:44] err wait [18:44] Urchlay, ok that directory is for other distro packages for example [18:44] ? [18:44] I already googled for hours [18:45] ya i know. Once i read part of the wiki i knew it was the wrong thing :P [18:45] agentc0re|work: no problem :) [18:45] ugh why is it people don't understand the concept of seeding. [18:45] DareDevil0: yes. If you were to install an RPM or deb package, or do a "make install" from a source directory, it might put files there. If it does, the Slackware init scripts will run them. [18:45] xMDKx: How did you configure lilo? [18:45] DareDevil0 they are there to keep compability for some binairies [18:46] agentc0re|work: err, lilo? I need to install lilo on the pendrive too? [18:46] because during the boot process your usb dev might show up as sda1 instead of sda2 or whatever it may have been during installation. [18:46] Does anyone have any idea why I have to type /sbin/pkgtool in order to open it? [18:46] xMDKx: Well how else do you expect to boot to it? [18:46] compl3x: a lot of us are on crappy residential cable/DSL lines with tightly capped upstream... been seeding this one torrent for a week, just now approaching 100% ratio :( [18:46] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:46] xMDKx: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/attempting-to-boot-slackware-from-usb-flash-drive-getting-kernel-panic-error-706710/ [18:47] good I understand them where are the ones for slackware in wish directory? [18:47] agentc0re|work: on some places nobody tell me about install lilo oO [18:47] Urchlay: I know the feeling but when I have a ration of 200 before my download is finished, it kind of takes it- [18:47] Shingoshi what user are you logged in as and is sbin in your path [18:47] Shingoshi: because /sbin isn't in your PATH... are you running as a user or logged in as root? normally users don't have /sbin in their PATH, though you can add it yourself in ~/.bash_profile if you want (no harm will come of it) [18:47] ratio* [18:47] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [18:48] compl3x: yeah, I've been trying to download this one torrent for a couple months now, I've uploaded a lot more than 100% [18:48] I believe /sbin is in my path. But I will check to make sure. [18:48] I am quite aware that only root can run pkgtool. Thank you! [18:48] Urchlay:wish there was some methods of kicking leechers [18:48] of all forms of p2p [18:49] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [18:49] DareDevil0 /etc/rc.d/ [18:49] thats for slackware [18:49] agentc0re|work: I'll try installing lilo on the usb stick, thanks for the help ;) [18:49] I always seed back 200% [18:50] nice [= [18:50] <_arfon_> I've never had anything worth seeding... :( [18:50] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep!" [18:50] _arfon_: tissue paper? ;) [18:50] nille, they are all empty too [18:50] no services there [18:50] _arfon_: Tube sock? [18:51] haha [18:51] <_arfon_> agentc0re|work: TY, my nose is running... [18:51] DareDevil0 /etc/rc.d/ shouldn't be empty [18:51] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@bowmore.c3sl.ufpr.br) left ##slackware. [18:51] compl3x: then you're got your unpopular torrents... I've been *trying* to seed something for a couple months now, I get maybe one peer connecting for a while every week or two [18:51] nille: /sbin was in my path. But I used to have pkgtools-tukaani installed and recently replaced it. Now I have to give the explicit path to open pkgtool. [18:52] /etc/rc.d have directories but rc1.d inside /etc/rc.d/ does not have any service [18:52] <_arfon_> Not ONE person has leeched my Yggdrasil 1.2 disc images yet. :( [18:52] and also the other levels [18:52] no there there for compability [18:52] DareDevil0: they wont. [18:52] Urchlay - its when you have no peers for a couple days/weeks yet everyones seeding off you [18:52] Shingoshi: did the old pkgtool stuff that you removed, live in /usr/sbin maybe? [18:52] that gets anoying [18:53] DareDevil0: what nille said. [18:53] Shingoshi: "hash -r" makes the shell re-scan your PATH [18:53] then where are the ones for slack? [18:53] Yeah! That's where it used to be. But that should have been updated. [18:53] i mean the services for slack [18:53] /etc/rc.d [18:53] Urchlay: Thanks for letting me know. [18:53] Shingoshi `which pkgtool` [18:53] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.215.11) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:53] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [18:54] DareDevil0: Have you gone over the, http://slackbook.org yet? [18:54] agent nope [18:54] tukaani was in /usr/bin/ [18:54] bash keeps track of where stuff is when you run it, so it doesn't actually have to search your PATH again next time you run it [18:54] I will read [18:54] I will come back later [18:54] DareDevil0 /etc/rc.d/ is for slackware we use an script for each init level and not dirs [18:54] normally it works great because software isn't being installed or moved around very often [18:55] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left ##slackware. [18:55] nille: It works now! Thanks Urchlay! [18:55] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] nille I can't find the scripts [18:56] 'ls /etc/rc.d' [18:57] hmmm bed time :p haha cya guys [18:57] compl3x (n=comple3x@43.103.2.81.in-addr.arpa) left irc: "Leaving" [18:57] bojevnik (n=bojevnik@93-103-100-192.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:57] Has anyone built a package with the new .txz format? I just did. And it works very nicely! [18:58] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:58] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:58] You guys might as well get used to it. It's likely going to be the new package format for Slackware. Pat has included it in pkgtools. [18:59] .txz? [18:59] oh never mind [18:59] I forgot the name was changed [18:59] it's not really a "format"... the contents are still a tarball, still laid out the same way [18:59] .xz is the new replacement for lzma. [18:59] Shingoshi: no .xz is lzma [19:00] lzma is now deprecated. [19:00] then .xz is deprecated as well [19:00] Either way, it's going to be the new standard. [19:00] I been using lzma packages for a long time [19:00] no big deal to me [19:00] I may know more about this than you do. I know the author personally. [19:00] makes packages smaller is all [19:01] xz is already a Slackware package. [19:01] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("mIRC"). [19:01] Shingoshi: umm yeah liek I said I been using lzma packages for a while [19:01] maybe sicne 2007 [19:02] 64-bit may also be in Slackware-13 [19:02] nuh uh! >.<; [19:02] Pat has been modifying the build scripts for 64-bit. [19:03] Action: kitche worked on Tukanni packages for a bit before the distro was discontinued [19:03] I don't think he'd be doing that, if he didn't intend to release 64-bit. [19:03] Shingoshi: so if we email pat right now, he'll know who you are? [19:03] Pat probably has not modified the build scripts he probable just merged fred's stuff [19:03] Not Pat. Lasse! [19:03] fred is the slamd64 guy i imagine? [19:04] i believe so [19:04] s/is/was [19:04] i'm all for 64bit official slack. [19:04] Maybe not after Slackware-13! [19:04] fred's build scripts use this packagehelper thing though (or is he phasing that out?) [19:04] 13 is an unlucky number though. [19:05] hmmmm [19:05] there's still plenty of minor version numbers left. :P [19:05] Who the hell cares about luck?? [19:05] Pat, apparently [19:05] Like computers are going to know the difference! [19:05] and some chicks... [19:05] lol [19:05] don't practice the rhythm method... [19:06] ask roseanne... [19:06] so .xz is a new file extension for lzma ? [19:06] What! Do you think your computer is going to start having random crashed with a Slackware-13? [19:06] of course :) [19:06] it's mandatory [19:07] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75-145-67-114-Oregon.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:07] Azalyn: No! lzma was rewritten. [19:07] it'll be like newcoke/cokeclassic [19:07] i think they should go back to 1.0 with version 13 [19:07] slack13 will be the newcoke of slack [19:07] then slack14 will be "slackware classic 14" [19:07] but, then again, this is still all speculation [19:07] clockwork [19:08] If Pat doesn't release a version 13, he's a coward! [19:08] 11, 12, 1, 2... [19:08] Shingoshi: umm from what I have seen lzma was not rewritten I jsut did a diff on the stuff [19:08] zuhair (n=zuhair@202.59.174.193) joined ##slackware. [19:09] I still like the idea of "Slackware XIII" [19:09] Some of the code has been replaced. lzma didn't have magic. xz has magic for the file command. [19:09] maybe the compressor/decompressor was rewritten [19:09] but the file format is the same [19:09] .xz is just a file format for lzma [19:10] Actually. xz will read lzma format. I think it will also creat it. But for all intentions, lzma is dead. [19:10] like .7z ? [19:10] xz is utils really to make lzma compression and decompression easier [19:11] Action: Shingoshi 's not pissed off! He just needs to pee! [19:11] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:11] lol [19:12] given that gzip isn't dead after all this time.. [19:12] i doubt that anything is "dead for all intentions" [19:12] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:13] Pat probably just merged the code from Tukanni pkgtools into the pkgtools or he added the new stuff for the .xz file format sicne lasty tiem I checked Lasse's pkgtools only supported the old lzma way [19:13] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.219.99.90) joined ##slackware. [19:13] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:14] "in a postmodern world, determinants are dead" [19:14] it would be nice if slack started to use lzma though for all packages. [19:14] That would be nice if Pat did that. Because then pkgtools would have network access to install packages also. [19:14] i wonder how much space we'd save though on the disc. [19:15] Shingoshi: considering that it sort of does sicne last release [19:15] Much more space than provided by bzip2. [19:15] Really. I just installed Slackware [19:15] Really. I just installed Slackware's version. [19:15] So I didn't know that. [19:16] Thanks for informing me. Pat has been busy! [19:16] http://changelog.complete.org/archives/910-how-to-think-about-compression [19:16] bzip2's cpu usage per mb saved is pretty bad. [19:16] Azalyn: I comrpessed xfce packages down maybe a few megs more then the regular slackware packages when I was using tukaani distro [19:16] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [19:16] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:17] a few megs more for each xfce package? or a few megs more for all of them together? [19:17] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [19:18] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:18] this was back in the day since I used it all the way up until tukaani distro died [19:19] heh, is it safe to say the original UNIX "compress" format is dead now? [19:19] the old .Z files? [19:19] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] kitche: We have something in common then. I too used to use Tukaani! [19:20] or the old PC (and Atari, Amiga, etc) .arc format? 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[19:25] the booting process stops here, "cs: IO port probe 0x3e0-0x4ff:_" [19:25] anybody knows why it freezes? [19:25] my kernel build & vbox install was an astounding sucess, i did drive to mom's house and grab an old win2k disk and installed it in vbox, one question, in full screen mode it works but the not correctly, there are huge black borders on all sides, i would like to see my fake windows full size [19:26] Azalyn: only got the 12.0 here [19:26] are you on dialup? any reason you can't do 12.2 ? [19:27] there's net install too. [19:27] dang zuhair that code 0x3e0-0x3ff:_ looks as impossible to solve as a bsod in windows [19:28] firebird_619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:28] Azalyn: well, yeah, I use 12.2 on my own laptop [19:28] Pig_Pen: then try to change teh resolution of the windows guest [19:28] Pig_Pen: Do you have Guest Additions installed? [19:28] paissad__ (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [19:28] a win2k install [19:29] i gets to play pinball again :D [19:29] Aldaron: but my other friend borrowed the disk [19:29] if i can get full screen working that would be nice [19:29] Windows pinball is fun. [19:30] * Azalyn, I mean, not Aldaron [19:30] paissad_ (n=paissad@202.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:30] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [19:30] Nick change: firebird_619 -> firebird619 [19:30] well full screen works but not the way it should, the window stays the same size and i get these HUGE black borders on all sides [19:32] Pig_Pen: is it impossible to solve? the one "bsod" on Windows? [19:33] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:34] zuhair: that number looks pretty vague, maybe grep it in /var/log/messages or dmesg [19:35] bah, dont worry about my virtualbox install, its just a toy to play with, Linux is my real OS [19:36] Azalyn: "Can't sleep, the compression formats will get me!" just doesn't have the same ring as "the clowns will get me" [19:36] mm, maybe I should try the 12.2 instead [19:36] zuhair: yeah. [19:36] Pig_Pen: umm, about VBox, I think it won't scale the guest OS resolution [19:36] "cs: IO port probe 0x3e0-0x4ff"... well cs is "card services" or PCMCIA... those hex numbers are actually I/O port addresses [19:36] DareDevil0 (n=linux@201.201.187.14) left irc: "Leaving" [19:37] kitche: Are you now using src2pkg instead of tukbuild? It is a much more developed package for building. [19:37] zuhair: check the BIOS, see if it's got manually-assigned I/O port addresses for stuff like the serial and parallel ports. If so, make sure none of them overlap that area. [19:37] I don't really use linux systems anymore [19:37] also, check the BIOS, make sure the PCMCIA slots are actually enabled :) [19:38] What! What sacrilege? [19:38] lol [19:38] I have NO windows computers. NONE! [19:39] good for you there is more out there then Linux [19:39] who said anything about windows? [19:39] Urchlay: there are three probing before that one, and they're all succeeded [19:39] zuhair: also also, if you don't need the PCMCIA slots, you can likely disable the probe on the LILO command line (if that works, you put it permanently in /etc/lilo.conf) [19:39] i was looking at windows device manager and it has a generic video device (vga) i wonder if i installed a windows video driver for it [19:39] kitche: Ok. What are you using then? [19:40] Pig_Pen: Do you have VBox Guest Additions installed in win2k? [19:40] i am running it as a user so windows does not have root (cant hurt Linux) [19:40] Urchlay: eh, LILO? how could you do that? [19:40] i am using slackware with vbox installed, and win2k is a guest OS inside vbox [19:40] zuhair: a moment while I find out :) [19:40] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere." [19:41] Pig_Pen: Yes, I know, but did in the win2k vm, did you go to Device and then Install Guest Additions. [19:41] guys, is there a ati driver for kernel .29 yet? [19:41] The Device menu in the VBox menu bar for the VM I mean. [19:41] i am not getting you firebird619, i am a total noob at vbox [19:42] Pig_Pen: Do you have win2k open in Vbox right now? [19:42] yes [19:42] zuhair: argh. Not seeing anything in Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt, but that's where you'd look (in the kernel sources) [19:42] Pig_Pen: well, umm, it's in the manual, about the "guest additions" [19:42] Pig_Pen: Ok, and you see the Device menu on the top of that window that win2k is in> [19:42] ok, lets do some reading, brb [19:42] yeah' [19:43] Click it and then click Install Guest Additions. [19:43] It will mount in win2k and you install with the exe file. [19:43] zuhair: you might try adding "noapic" and/or "noacpi" on the LILO command line [19:43] Urchlay: ok then, thank's. I'll try your advice soon [19:44] Urchlay: LILO command line? You mean, the configuration file? [19:44] (e.g. if you'd normally type "Linux" to boot, you type "Linux noacpi noapic" or whatever) [19:44] no, I mean, at the 'LILO boot:' prompt [19:44] Urchlay: oh, ok, I see [19:44] which you may now have to press a key to get to, by default there's a black & white Slackware logo there [19:44] it installed some stuff and looks nicer now!, thanks firebird619 [19:45] Pig_Pen: your welcome. [19:45] cool~! full screen looks good! :) [19:45] lmao! i can fake people out that it is really windows [19:45] zuhair: also, how far does it get in the boot process? does it die before it says the root filesystem is mounted, or after? [19:46] bump the edge of the screen, and whats that? Linux? [19:46] firebird619: hey, how to install the "guest addition" on Linux box? [19:46] cause if it's after, you can say "Linux init=/bin/sh" to get a single-user "emergency" shell, and maybe blacklist "cs" in /etc/modprobe.d [19:47] Urchlay: err, let me check it later [19:47] (if you actually need the PCMCIA slots, that's no permanent solution, but if you did that and it worked, you'd know for sure where the problem is) [19:47] somehow i dont think i should visit windows update, i fear microsoft might screw up my vbox install [19:47] well not vbox but my win2k vbox image [19:48] zuhair: In VirtualBox? The same way, click Device, then Install Guest Additions, it mounts in Linux, only for linux, you use the .run file instead of .exe file. [19:48] Pig_Pen: good idea [19:48] Pig_Pen: I play "age of empires" in a vbox win2k install, it works great :) [19:48] Pig_Pen: It shouldn't, but in XP and later, you'd have issues because it'd complain about Product Activation. [19:49] If you didn't activate it. 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[19:57] You'd learn to adapt! [19:57] and as much empty space as you have on the desktop, why does it chop filenames so short ("HP Pre...") [19:57] Floops (n=baihu@freakozoid.floops.info) left irc: "changing servers" [19:57] I thought the same thing. [19:58] But then I found it less of a problem that I thought it would be. [19:58] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-200-51.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:58] when you maximize an app window, does it cover the system monitor thing? [19:58] Yes. But mc which I'm using most of the time, is transparent. [19:59] tresloukadu (i=1000@189.113.224.67) joined ##slackware. [19:59] ack, so you're looking at a mostly-text mc window, overlaid on top of a mostly-text system monitor? [19:59] Very Good For Me! [19:59] It works! [19:59] that's a great idea, from now on, all books should be printed on transparent slides instead of paper, so you can read more than one page at a time :) [20:00] seriously, there must be something fundamentally different between my brain and yours, I would go insane trying to use that, but obviously you like it (maybe one of us is an alien? maybe we both are, but from different planets?) [20:00] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009019213.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:00] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:00] Urchlay: lol [20:00] The analogy is more like that of a heads-up display in a fighter. [20:01] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200.219.99.90) left irc: Connection timed out [20:01] what about flash plugins>? for internet exployter [20:01] I am an alien!! [20:01] eh, do HUDs show text-on-text? I thought they were mostly icons with maybe 3-4 letter acronyms [20:01] tresloukadu (i=1000@189.113.224.67) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:01] maybe i will visit windows update and only get the latest IE they allow for win2k [20:01] All of you should have figured that out by now! [20:02] anyway if I were gonna fly a plane I'd want one with a plain old glass windshield and mechanical gauges :) [20:02] pi31415 (n=chatzill@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:02] (granted, I wouldn't want that if I were being shot at... but if you're being shot at while using your computer, maybe you should move to a nicer neighborhood?) [20:02] I wanted a Concorde! Damn thing is gone forever! [20:02] AkumaTw0 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:03] Pig_Pen: You mean installing flash in IE in win2k in VBox. That'll work. [20:03] Urchlay: LOL!! [20:04] the IE that came with win2k is 5 [20:04] _ohm (n=nava@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Urchlay: I use the same background in Konversation. Which I'm using now. [20:05] Only in this do I sometimes have trouble reading the text. [20:05] But then, I just highlight the text, so I can see it. [20:05] ROFLMAO [20:06] Action: Shingoshi watches the news on tv. bbl [20:06] later Shingoshi [20:06] Akuma0n3 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Operation timed out [20:06] I'd show you screenshots of my desktop, but you'd be bored to tears [20:06] even the news would probably be more interesting [20:06] LOL [20:07] Urchlay: nothing wrong with a few tears to clean out the tear ducts now and then. :P [20:07] _aesir (n=baihu@mandrak.ktekz.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] it works, the latest ie (6) that can be installed in an un-updated win2k, & flash [20:07] I really want a larger screen. Maybe something like 2560x1600 [20:07] that's what I said, last time I was slicing onions... [20:07] really? [20:08] eddie_grey (n=eddie@200-219-118-107.ggs6102.3g.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:08] well, no, but I would have said that if I'd thought of it [20:08] haha [20:08] (and yes, that was only 2 days ago, I made chili...) [20:09] Pig_Pen: you should start a betting pool on how long it'll take before it gets owned/rooted [20:09] I decline to bet unless I'm allowed to bet a negative number :) [20:10] lol [20:10] i thought of that, it could get a virus or owned/rooted since it never got updated, but at least it does not have root access to linux so i just rm ~/ and its clean again [20:10] sQuEE (n=narya@host62.201-252-26.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [20:11] Pig_Pen: even better, take a snapshot right after the installer finishes, right when it's booting the first time... and always start from that point, every time you boot it [20:11] it'll get rooted over & over again maybe, but you can un-root it with a mouse click... [20:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:11] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:12] Lurq (i=lurq@destiny2.et2605.com) left irc: SendQ exceeded [20:12] make a good honeypot if i had the know-how [20:12] first thing you'd have to do there is hang it out in the breeze, I bet right now it's behind a NAT router [20:13] Urchlay: yes, default in vbox is behind nat. [20:13] (or even double NAT, if you didn't do the bridged network setup) [20:13] I never did get vbox bridged networking to work between 2 instances of windows on 2 different Linux boxes running vbox [20:14] (Linux guest + Windows guest was fine, as was Linux guests on both sides...) [20:14] but admittedly I only sort-of knew what I was doing in the first place [20:15] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:15] man I hate it when I need to run more then one version of jdk ... [20:16] ouch [20:16] I hate it when I need to run even one version :) [20:16] I don't mind java really besides the auto load stuff lately that gets installed [20:17] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:18] marge (n=marge@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:18] I've heard of java being compared to bondage. [20:19] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-55-215-34.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:19] yeah, only it's not as much fun [20:19] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:19] "Construct the scaffolding, maggot!" "Yes, sir, may I have another?" [20:19] and you don't get to be the dominant [20:19] Akuma (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:20] What's the command to configure the Xserver? [20:20] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-72-224-240-11.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] x configure or...??? [20:20] X -configure [20:20] Urchlay: Tnx [20:21] you likely will have to edit the resulting config file a little [20:22] marge (n=marge@63.149.173.1) left irc: Client Quit [20:23] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) left irc: [20:23] i'm sliglty disapointed [20:23] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) joined ##slackware. [20:24] i was running nexuiz on a in a dedicated xserver [20:24] not as mauch as an fps boost i thoguht it might get [20:24] some tho [20:25] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.157) joined ##slackware. [20:26] marge (n=marge@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:26] X -configure didn't seem to get it. It locks up in test. [20:27] My monitor is Hans-G HW191A [20:28] and Video card is Intel 82810E [20:28] Any ideas on what I should do to get X configured? [20:28] properly? [20:29] Or what could be wrong? [20:30] give me a sec i'll see what i can find [20:30] Urchlay: is "X -configure" the same as "xorgconfig"? [20:31] marge: maybe "xorgsetup" [20:31] marge: btw, what's the problem there? [20:31] i was jsut going to say xorgconfig [20:31] http://imagebin.org/47442 yahooIM error [20:31] srry i've onyl had to do it once or twice and not for a while [20:32] maybe i should ask in #windows ? [20:33] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] marge (n=marge@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:35] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:36] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. [20:38] marge (n=marge@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [20:38] xorgsetup worked - Thanks. [20:43] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:44] installed slackpkg and about to do upgrade-all [20:44] All is well. :) [20:44] A shiny new slackware system... [20:45] Tnx all [20:45] mr_cakes (n=quassel@c-24-7-194-9.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:45] marge (n=marge@63.149.173.1) left irc: "leaving" [20:45] pretty pretty shiny shiny [20:46] theoffset (n=ismael@200-56-214-51-cable.cybercable.net.mx) joined ##slackware. [20:47] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [20:48] anyone got recommendations for image cataloging sw like picasa or digikam? [20:49] marge wheres homer & bart & lisa? [20:49] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.214.210) joined ##slackware. [20:49] ruben23 (n=AGENT@122.55.48.242) joined ##slackware. [20:51] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@AMontsouris-158-1-51-152.w92-128.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] dive: what recommendation? [20:51] ok, i am done playing with vbox for a while [20:52] zuhair, like does anyone have some good alternatives? [20:52] I've just been looking at picasa but version 3 crashes and version 2 freezes [20:53] compiling digikam now - I've used it before so maybe that's the answer [20:53] but I want something to search hdds and catalogue all my pics [20:53] what would be cool is a perl script that would scan a directory and subdirectories full of graphics and use Imagemagick to make thumbnails and create an html page with the thumbnails that linked to the full size photos [20:53] heh, got a spam Subject: Leather, why is it the BSDM fabric of choice? [20:54] Pig_Pen, yeah I heard about that project [20:54] Pig_Pen: I wrote a KSH script to do that once [20:55] but I have raw files (.cr2) and I don't think that would work for those [20:55] then flicr and picasa came along [20:56] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [20:57] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [20:58] whats a very good recovery tool for formatted hard drives? [20:59] hunterm (n=huntermc@cpe-071-071-224-052.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] mshade (n=mshade@ip68-100-212-163.dc.dc.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] hunterm (n=huntermc@cpe-071-071-224-052.carolina.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [21:00] http://www.linuxdiskrecovery.com/ ? [21:00] i've never needed it so the best i can offer is what you can find by googleing [21:01] KillerV (i=1000@bhe201062167141.res-com.wayinternet.com.br) joined ##slackware. [21:02] toastytoast: Thank you [21:03] atha_ (n=atha@189-46-250-12.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:04] what does it mean by "recovering a formatted hard disk"? [21:04] i think he means recovering data off of it [21:05] whcih you can do just takes a while [21:05] it means you should backup before formatting disks with data on [21:05] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:05] dive: I know...but most people don't know [21:06] zuhair: Yeah what toastytoast said [21:06] mind you I once run 'rm *' in the wrong dir so I can't talk [21:07] thatsd ok [21:07] i one ran rm / [21:07] as root [21:07] good times [21:07] without the -rf it shouldn't hurt a linux box so much [21:08] unless it were the olden times when /vmlinuz was the kernel... [21:08] dive: I once ran rm -r * in / as root... :-( [21:08] .. in fact, it won't delete directories [21:08] well it was rm -r [21:08] d'oh [21:08] bijit: thats suiscide [21:09] but i was in /tmp and a was going to clear the files out of there forgot the . infront of the / [21:09] I have hosed a partition in a much cleverer and dumber way [21:09] so it was rm -r /* [21:09] step 1, boot Linux, mount /dev/hda1 as root filesystem [21:09] Pig_Pen: I reboot and was it doesn't boot.. After re-installing I remembered what I had done :( [21:09] hmm, i wonder why ;p [21:10] step 2, install Linux guest within VMware, with real disk I/O enabled, and also mount /dev/hda1 as *its* root fs [21:10] atleast i've never find / -name * -exec shred -n 20 -u -z {}:/ [21:10] step 3, scratch your head and curse softly as you try to interpret the weird stuff spewing on both consoles [21:10] uncyclopedia? [21:10] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:10] rm = remove, it deletes everything you point it at, very dangerous command [21:11] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:11] Action: Urchlay points rm at Pig_Pen... "Let's test this thing" [21:11] boom! [21:11] lol [21:11] see, i am getting deleted [21:11] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:12] whoops, I thought I wasn't logged in to IRC as root... [21:12] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:12] hmmm [21:12] but some nice freenode admin reinstalled me [21:12] undeleted [21:12] Nick change: aceofspa1es19 -> aceofspades19 [21:12] lol [21:12] maybe he upgraded you at the same time [21:13] yeah, i got a new kernel [21:13] what to? a cow shed? [21:13] "They made me smarter... stronger... better" [21:13] recovered [21:13] "They they put me to work! You have any idea how long it takes to work off $6 million on a government salary?!" [21:14] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:14] (I really gotta fix whatever's wrong with the spacebar on this keyboard, it keeps double-spacing) [21:14] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [21:15] Urchlay: drop kick it [21:15] if that doesn't work try cleaning it [21:15] that might actually help, it's a real keyboard (IBM model M) [21:15] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [21:16] i have an old 10 pound compaq keyboard [21:16] from back when a "portable" computer weighed more than a bass guitar? [21:16] well ti isn't rlly 10 pound one sec [21:17] had me one of those old compaq "portable" 386 machines, with fold-out keyboard and tiny amber monitor [21:17] http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq68/xerodill/100_0526.jpg?t=1241140643 there it is [21:17] someone had installed debian on it, over a PLIP connection [21:17] well i did windows update on my win2k vbox install, lets see if it lets yahoo IM work [21:17] oh wow [21:18] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:18] aw, you could break that keyboard easy, just grab on the ends and twist [21:18] no i've dropped this thing down several flight of stairs [21:18] i get a crapload or errors like that windowsRG (really good edition) :D [21:18] but don't break it, it's got nice features (lack of stupid "media buttons") [21:18] and hit my friend in the ehad with it once [21:18] Thurin1 (n=amunra@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [21:19] you hit him so hard, you knocked the e past the h? :) [21:19] http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/winrg [21:19] atha (n=atha@unaffiliated/athayde) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:20] awsome [21:20] haha, I really like the cards in the Solitaire game [21:21] Urchlay: KPatience [21:22] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [21:23] check that link i posted zuhair if you have a flash enabled browser [21:24] haha, Pig_Pen, did you run the Word on that thing? [21:24] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:24] yeah [21:24] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:24] "Hey, why do I have blood?" [21:26] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Game:TheBlueScreenOfDeath [21:26] i liek that game [21:28] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:28] "Try making Windows dinner and be generally nice to it. Do NOT hit it. Feed it treats. Continue this for a week and then attempt to restart Windows. If done incorrectly the computer may go mad." [21:29] Nick change: _aesir -> Floops [21:29] skibur (n=skibur@72-255-14-140.client.stsn.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:31] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:31] http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Uncyclux [21:33] looking at the entry for vi [21:34] "the battle was so gruesome that Greenmond was permanently stained with blood, and was from then on known as Redmond" [21:34] is it real that people can have a typing speed of 90 wpm? 120 wpm? [21:35] i bet some secretaries that type full time do [21:36] zuhair: 30-40 wpm is more reasonable [21:37] gnubien: I know people can do 60-70 wpm, but 120? amazing.. [21:37] http://web.syr.edu/~rcranger/blackburn.htm zuhair [21:39] zuhair: type that fast with no errors? [21:39] blackmagic and sorcery [21:39] depends on what you're typing [21:39] Pig_Pen: wow! [21:39] crank up your key repeat rate and you too can type "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" amazingly fast [21:39] gnubien: err, yup [21:40] what i said can also amke you type amazingly fast [21:41] sopas (n=souphead@222.127.211.253) joined ##slackware. [21:41] yeah, but be careful: when you sacrifice the goat, don't get goat blood in your keyboard [21:41] it dries up, gets sticky, gums up the works [21:42] wonder how fast ppl can type on a eee or acer notebook [21:45] I've actually popped a key off a vaio laptop typing too fast on it [21:45] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [21:45] finger was off center pressing some key (like maybe G), and it slid partway under the H key, and lifted finger up an *pop*, key flies 10 feet across the room [21:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.90.230) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:46] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:47] Pig_Pen: so it's "dvorak" [21:47] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-71-168-137-86.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] is why I don't like laptop keyboards (especially macs, they seem really fragile, and they're hideously expensive to replace/repair so I'm afraid to type on them at all) [21:47] If only keyboards were made of steel instead of plastic [21:47] then I could drive a truck over it [21:48] ;) [21:48] http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/9/91/WMDSearchsm.jpg [21:48] (I suppose GW bush jokes are outdated now though) [21:50] lol, that is pretty much how it went, after the invasion of iraq and nothing of significance was found Faux news said saddam had weapons moved to syria and iran [21:51] So...my microphone jack doesnt work. I found this kernel patch: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0901.2/02883.html [21:52] does this mean if I upgrade my kernel, it might work? [21:52] or do I just upgrade alsa? [21:52] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Client Quit [21:52] redtricycle answer these 2 questions: what kind of pc are you using? laptop,desktop,notebook? what is the make and model number of your laptop, desktop, or motherboard? [21:53] not sure, i have an hda sound card but i did not like it and got my trusty old creative labs card with the 1371 chip on it [21:54] gnubien: hp dv5 laptop [21:54] redtricycle how old is your PC? days? weeks? months? years? [21:54] weeks to months old [21:54] let me look up the exact date.. [21:54] Oh wait, I remember [21:54] it was Thanksgiving [21:54] Last thanksgiving [21:54] sweet , i think i'm getting the job. my interview lasted 30minutes when everyone eles were like 5minutes [21:54] nov 2008 to april 09 [21:54] we ended up b.s 'ing for a while [21:55] redtricycle: best chance is to install alsa drivers version 1.0.19 for that new a pc; there maybe alsa model options for your sound card's codec too [21:55] congrats nix_chix0r [21:55] finally an income of liek 45k a year [21:55] mon-fri 8-4 :) [21:55] nix_chix0r: the first interview I ever passed, I just ended up talking about my hometown [21:55] =/ [21:56] they were impressed i worked for nato in beligum [21:56] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:56] overqualifed really [21:57] Pig_Pen, my friend gave me some of her kids stuff he outgrew and i have a pair of toddler timbalands [21:57] my kid is gona be all ghetoo and asking for shorty fortys and hoes [21:57] ghetto toddlers, what a concept :) [21:58] i'm worried he wont want to be a geek [21:58] hahh [21:58] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-5-142.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] kid will want to be a football star or some shit [21:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:59] kids usually immulate there parents [22:00] cueone (n=juan@ool-4574f241.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] i'd be ok with that i'm cool:) [22:00] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [22:01] we used to get clothes at yard sales for my boys when they were little, always washed em good before we let them wear them, kids outgrow clothes before they wear out [22:02] is there some pitfall to running LAMP on slack - i am having a frustrating prob [22:02] gnubien: for also, upgrade alsa-lib, alsa-utils and alsa-oss? [22:02] alsa* [22:02] gem_cat: should be very straightforward -- which part are you stuck on, the L, A, M, or P? [22:02] hopefully not the L [22:02] =P [22:03] he has slackware installed so he is past the L, probably the M or P [22:03] i have tried (too many times) to load a script called wordpress - it partly works ( [22:04] Did you set up mysql already? [22:04] redtricycle: would not hurt to upgrade those alsa source files too [22:04] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:04] gem_cat: what error is wordpress giving you? [22:04] it seems to be fine - I have phpmyadmin going like a champ [22:05] the mainpage will not load, although the dashboard comes up fine [22:05] okay, if you have php admin up, then you're set up for mysql and php... [22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:06] i have carefully followed the instructions about 15 times and am quite frustrated [22:06] it has to be something i missed in setup of apache [22:07] Anyone using the AOE driver? [22:07] i just used the installed httpd - did not recompile or anything [22:07] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:08] gem_cat: did you enable mod_php? [22:08] in httpd.conf? [22:08] did you allow .htaccess overrides in httpd.conf? [22:08] wdyy (n=yy@115.35.166.252) joined ##slackware. [22:09] php is working - I even made a bad php file to see it throw an error [22:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATA_over_Ethernet [22:09] I will check the conf [22:10] gem_cat: just use the ones provided by LAMP; it's a complete box [22:10] paissad__ (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:10] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [22:10] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [22:10] gem_cat: well, make sure you have "AllowOverride All" to allow .htaccess to work [22:11] I know wordpress uses that to determine what page to show [22:11] ok I see mod_php.conf - is included [22:12] zuhair (n=zuhair@202.59.174.193) left ##slackware. [22:13] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [22:13] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:13] I see for cgi-bin - should I change that to document root? [22:14] change it for whereever you installed wordpress [22:14] ok [22:14] nix_chix0r, i want a pony [22:15] thanks redtricycle - I shall try that [22:17] laters, sleepytime for me [22:17] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:22] redtricycle, what i did was alias wordpress as cgi-bin - I will see if that works [22:22] bbl [22:23] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-5-142.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Vanishes with a small pop" [22:23] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "liberando banda .... hehae" [22:24] mogunus (n=user@173.9.7.10) joined ##slackware. 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[22:45] hello [22:46] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:46] i have a problem compiling fglrx: FATAL: modpost: GPL-incompatible module fglrx.ko uses GPL-only symbol 'pgprot_writecombine' [22:46] yes they recommend that redtricycle but it is messy that way [22:46] fglrx 9.3 doesn't work out with 2.6.29 kernel [22:46] i think if I reinstall that it will write htaccess files [22:47] which may now work [22:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [22:48] any ideas about this error? [22:48] tr0j4n: fglrx made me sad [22:49] redtricycle: you got the same problem? [22:49] tr0j4n: no, different problem...but I gave up on it [22:49] redtricycle: with 2.6.29 kernel? [22:50] bijit (n=benji@200.122.188.156) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:50] bijit_ (n=benji@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [22:52] tr0j4n: I had an LRMI problem [22:52] Nick change: atha_ -> atha [22:53] tihs is how I fixed it: http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=169178&action=view [22:53] that isn't your problem [22:53] but...that was mine [22:53] I'm using Slackware 12.2 [22:53] i've patched fglrx so it can compile successfully, but stuck at modpost stage [22:56] hmm i think what is actually failing is an SSI statement [22:57] ls [22:57] what is modpost? [22:57] n3ro (n=Johnny@guest-wireless-nup-198-147-122-028.usc.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:58] hey what do you guys know about skyos? [22:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:00] skyos, the operating system SkyNet runs? [23:00] neonflux (n=neonflux@75-50-83-121.lightspeed.snjsca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:01] thanks again redtricycle [23:01] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.26.195) joined ##slackware. [23:01] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-5-142.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Vanishes with a small pop" [23:02] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [23:04] so here be a somewhat dumb question: [23:05] 42 [23:05] is there any way to transcode from mp3 to ogg other than just decoding the mp3 to pcm, then re-encoding with ogg encoder? (answer is almost certainly "no" but I ask anyway) [23:06] Urchlay: yeah. it's unix based or its own thing? [23:07] paissad (n=paissad@106.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:07] or... is there a way to tweak the ogg encoder's spectral analysis stuff so that the stuff it would lose, would match the stuff that's already been lost by the mp3 encoder? [23:07] dartmouth: I was joking, SkyNet is the evil network of robots/computers from the "Terminator" movies [23:07] Urchlay: I don't think there is a way, but I could be wrong. When I converted my mp3s to ogg, I always used a program called Sound Converter, that's not in slackware, but I used it on other distros and it worked well. [23:07] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:08] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [23:09] haha [23:09] wtf. [23:09] hm. I wonder if it did anything fancier than I'd get by having mpg321 write to a wav file, then oggenc on the wav file... [23:09] i just saw some nice screenshots and was interested in emulating it a little. [23:10] not sure, there's also, iirc the name right, soundkonverter. [23:11] dartmouth: I never even heard of it before. From looking at its web page, it's just another closed source OS [23:11] soundkonverter: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=29024 [23:11] OSUOSL is hot, guys [23:11] probly the guy who develops it, is a fan of BeOS [23:11] Urchlay: i wish they'd make some of those nice looking os's open source :( [23:11] rworkman: hot as in on fire, or stolen, or looks good? [23:11] Hey rworkman. How are you? [23:12] Urchlay: looks good :) [23:12] firebird619: busy; reinstalling the laptop with -current [23:12] Urchlay: soundconverter is here: http://soundconverter.berlios.de/ and is for gnome, so may have gnome deps, not sure. [23:12] rworkman: ah, did you have 12.2 on it before? [23:13] My "I'm testing this before we consider it for -current" stuff had gotten too far out of sync with what's actually in -current, and it was becoming a maintenance nightmare [23:13] firebird619: 99% likely it's just a GUI frontend for the same commands I'd use in a shell script (or at least the same libraries those commands use) [23:13] Urchlay: yeah, probably, and soundconvert requires gnome I just read. [23:13] Action: dartmouth is ready for a 'new idea' regarding desktop environments [23:14] s/soundconvert/soundconverter [23:14] soundconverter description says "It reads anything the GStreamer library can read"... I suppose it would do exactly what I think it would do [23:14] tr0j4n (n=enigma@222.172.214.17) left ##slackware. [23:14] rworkman: Will upgrading alsa-lib break my Slackware 12.2 sound? [23:14] can I only upgrade one component, or will I have to upgrade the whole alsa-* packages? [23:14] Urchlay: yeah, I haven't converted anything like that for a while, all my stuff is in ogg or flac. [23:14] oss, lib, utils... [23:15] redtricycle: on -current, it should be fine. [23:15] rworkman: I can simply install -current alsa packages? [23:16] firebird619: I don't generally bother to convert stuff, other than if it comes as a flac I'll make an mp3 version for keeping on my drive (and burn the flacs to cd/dvd)... but this is actually for a slackbuild script, it needs to work with tools that are in a full install of slack 12.2 [23:16] umislack (n=umislack@58.64.89.107) joined ##slackware. [23:16] so probably I have no better option than mpg321 | oggenc [23:16] hrm. rworkman, how difficult would it be to write a system comparison script to weigh differences between the current system and the current -current tree? [23:16] erm, did that make sense? [23:16] WillieWanka (n=alexei@adsl-190-37-110.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:17] Urchlay: on vorbis.com it says converting from mp3 to ogg is generally a bad idea. :) Due to throwing away parts of the audio waveform. [23:17] redtricycle: no, you install -current or you kep 12.2. All or nothing. [23:17] I just installed 12.2 on an old laptop (Celeron M 1.3, 256MB, 28GB IDE) with [/boot ext2 100MB], [/ ext3 20GB], [/var ext3 6GB], and [swap 2 GB]. [23:17] dartmouth: No idea, but it's more work than I'd do. [23:17] lee555J5: hey hey [23:17] On first boot, I get kernel panic and "EXT4-fs warning (device hda1): ext4_fill_super: extents feature not enabled on this filesystem, use tune2fs." [23:17] I just pushed xfce-4.6.1 to my 12.2 repo, btw. [23:17] hey rworkman [23:17] dartmouth: you could get a crude idea by unpacking all the sources for both, then "diff -Naur sources_12.2 sources_current | wc -l" [23:17] Urchlay: When I went to Linux, I re-ripped all my cd's to flac. [23:17] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201009220162.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:17] rworkman: i just would like some way of keeping track of how behind my system is from when I upgraded to -current without having to spend hours and hours looking at individual differences; would be better if that could be automated [23:18] "EXT4-fs: hda1: not marked OK to use with test code" [23:18] lee555J5: hrm, yeah, there's a tune2fs parameter that you can use, but I don't recall what it is. [23:18] Setting /dev/hda1 bootable flag with fdisk has no effect on or off. [23:18] sitwon_ (n=adam@pool-173-79-64-73.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] dartmouth: slackpkg can do that, if I'm understand what you want correctly [23:19] Why would ext4 errors appear? I'm only using ext2 and ext3. [23:19] and swap :) [23:19] rworkman: im not sure what you're suggesting, im not familiar with slackpkg or even what it does [23:19] lee555J5: oh, hrm, no idea :/ [23:19] WillieWanka1 (n=alexei@adsl-190-32-105.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] firebird619: what's going on here is, someone made a nice audio soundtrack for a game in mp3 format, but the latest versions of the game only support ogg... [23:19] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:20] dartmouth: have a look at slackpkg then :) [23:20] this looks alot like yum [23:20] and feels bad. [23:20] i feel like im doing something bad. [23:20] Urchlay: Oh, I see. ogg ftw :P [23:20] FriedBob (n=Fried@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: "Leaving" [23:21] firebird619: yes, but the guy who did the mp3 soundtrack hasn't re-done it as oggs (it's been a couple years) [23:21] Urchlay: if it's an audio soundtrack for a game, your transcoding losses from mp3 to ogg may not matter. [23:21] lee555J5: yeah, not so much as real music would [23:21] Urchlay: When I've converted mp3 to ogg before, personally I don't really notice a difference quality wise, but some people could I'm sure. [23:21] especially with guns and explosions :) [23:21] rworkman: well...I can compile alsa libs on my system myself, right? [23:21] lee555J5: no, this is music [23:21] redtricycle: sure [23:21] I mean as part of the game [23:22] lee555J5: I'm inquiring with the other guys; maybe someone else will know :/ [23:22] rworkman: nice (re xfce-4.6.1) :) [23:22] but AFAIK it's music made by extracting the original MIDI audio from the game, editing ("remixing") it some, and rendering it on a nice studio-quality MIDI synth [23:22] Hello BP{k}. How are you doing? [23:22] firebird619: stirfry chow consumed .. having a black sheep ale right now, so it's all good. :D [23:23] :D [23:23] what I was hoping for was a magic set of flags to oggenc that tell it "throw away the same parts of the spectrum that an mp3 encoder would", which would minimize the lossiness of transcoding [23:23] BP{k}, you running 4.6.1? do your settings 'stick' for you? some reason, it doesnt always want to save my number of virtual desktops, and some keybinds. maybe since I built it for Old_Fogie --unstable, or it doesn't like that my xfce new is run on top of configs from xfce old? [23:23] Urchlay: I don't think that's possible, but that sure would be nice if there was. [23:23] Old_Fogie: not yet, was running 4.6.0, just mirroring rworkmans 4.6.1 :) [23:24] I bet it's possible, but might require hacking oggenc sources (which would rule it out for my purposes) [23:24] BP{k}, ah ok, I built mine prior to him releaseing his, maybe he did something differetn. [23:24] 4.6.1!!! [23:24] Old_Fogie: I'll see if I can find a slot to upgrade later. I'll let you know if I run into things. [23:24] BP{k}, yea, some of the patches from 4.6 didnt work for 4.6.1 , maybe ther's new ones [23:25] BP{k}, I commented out his patches that failed, and just built it as is, just substituting new vers numbers. [23:25] rworkman: guy at work gave me this laptop. Screen's dead, only 256MB RAM. Sounds like a great box for ssh, screen, irssi, dns, ntp. :) Don't need no stinkin' screen for that. ;p [23:25] Old_Fogie: "When in doubt, dike it out!" [23:25] lee555J5: try upgrading e2fsprogs from sources on -current and see if that makes a difference [23:25] lee555J5: indeed [23:25] BP{k}, other than that (and my xfce-to-use-kde-menus-hack) this xfce is nice [23:25] my hack is == nice [23:26] Action: rworkman doesn't understand why people want to customize the menu :/ [23:26] Old_Fogie: your hack is great. [23:26] rworkman, because xfce botched up menus [23:26] See, I think they're fine :) [23:26] news flash, ther's other people in the world :) [23:26] but all kidding aside [23:26] wait, what? a desktop environment that requires a hack to let you customize the menus? [23:26] lee555J5: you'll probably have to boot the installer and chroot into it to do that though [23:26] xfce's is a mess...everything goes into 'other' [23:27] Urchlay: xfce 4.6 doesn't have the menu editor. [23:27] Old_Fogie: not here; I think there's some other problem [23:27] as in, there's not a way built into it to do basic operations like move stuff around or create new categories/folders/whatever? [23:27] Urchlay: nope. [23:27] eh, is that maybe because this is a bleeding-edge unstable release? or is that considered OK for production? [23:28] rworkman: yeah, it won't boot at all--no ttys. It doesn't even respond to CAD--only power button for 4 sec. :| [23:28] rworkman, every gnome app, every kde control panel applet, you name it goes in "other". the _stock_ menu design doesn't accomodate *any* sub-menus. so if something is in kde-utils-desktop sub-menus, xfce throws it in other. the list goes on and on. xfce needs to accomodate the "sub-menus" [23:28] at least I don't have to pull the battery :) [23:28] Urchlay: not sure, 4.4.x series had an editor, 4.6 doesn't though. [23:29] rworkman, that's the real issue. many of kde's, gnome apps, go in sub menus, to which xfce is not accomodating. [23:29] oh, okay [23:29] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-75-6.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] rworkman: is it possible it's the ext2 somehow? If I reinstall with /boot (/dev/hda1) formatted ext3, might the issue go away? [23:30] cueone (n=juan@ool-4574f241.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:31] lf4 (n=KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [23:31] rworkman, so basically what I did in /etc/xfce/xdg/menus is backup the orig, then "ln -s /etc/kde/xdg/menus/applications.menu xfce-applications.menu" [23:31] rworkman, then "voila" now xfce understands sub-menu's. [23:31] rworkman, well, update-desktop-database...let xfce rebuild the menu on the fly, and boom done. [23:32] Any one know of a liveCD off the top of their head that has ftpd? [23:32] oh man...i be laggin... --- Ping reply from Old_Fogie : 7.48 second(s) [23:32] rworkman: did you get your Brazilian/Japanese beer? [23:32] rworkman, I haven't found a way yet to get xfce to accomodate any 'custom' menu's yet. but I'm working on that, got a few more tricks up the sleeve. [23:32] lee555J5: I honestly don't know. I think I recall some problem that requires newer e2fsprogs though [23:32] lee555J5: yes, I did :) [23:32] ftp sucks, use sftp, and anything with ssh will do that (gentoo comes to mind) [23:32] rworkman: our beer [23:33] edman007, oh my box is old, and my internet is a lag box. I got good bandwithc, but bad latency. [23:33] Old_Fogie: that's pretty cool then [23:33] Old_Fogie: lack of ability to edit menus would be almost (not quite) as bad as a window manager that didn't implement a close button for its windows... [23:33] lee555J5: I'll bring you one, I promise :) [23:33] rworkman: when do I get my case? :) [23:33] heh [23:33] Old_Fogie, slackboy is 12 seconds.... [23:33] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving." [23:34] --- Ping reply from rworkman : 1.27 second(s) [23:34] edman007: its just temp to transfer files from this one computer to mine for backup. It needs to be live not installed since this one computer has only 1 drive. [23:34] hmm...well thats not too bad i suppose... [23:34] rworkman, now I can use this. you see kde 3.5.10 and gnome on here too, man the "other" menu xfce gives was full of things, and the scroll speed going up/down it to find an app, (depending on if it's a lower or upper case letter for an app, abiword or is it Abiword..so is it top/bottom where is it?) now that's gone. [23:34] lf4, nfs FTW! [23:34] Ping reply from edman007 : 2 day(s) [23:34] TCP/IP over Avian Carrier? [23:34] WillieWanka (n=alexei@adsl-190-37-110.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:35] lee555J5, :( [23:36] rworkman: I tried Google, but I'll poke around more. Reinstall at this point is easy. ;) [23:36] Urchlay, yeah I agree. I like having a one menu entry folder, for apps I frequently use, but not all the time. Like "calculator, dictionary, thesaurus, kjots" .. just some common used stuff. [23:37] Urchlay, I also like to add vnc sessions, to the menu too, now that's gone. [23:37] Urchlay, irc over socks over ssh over wifi, and thw wifi here sucks...then it gets routed all over the place, i don't think the Internet connection is on this campus....and then the ssh tulles about 50 miles away to work [23:37] I suppose, you can make desktop icon files for them, but that's annoying. [23:37] s/tulles/tunnels/ [23:37] rworkman: 2 months to Thailand :) [23:37] Old_Fogie: so is this lack because it's a development/prerelease? or is it always planned to be that way? [23:38] lee555J5, thats faster than the intertubes! [23:38] ok.. [23:38] I officially think pf is awesome [23:38] back when I first saw xfce, it looked almost exactly like CDE... which gave me the shakes and turned me off to the idea of ever using it :) [23:38] Urchlay, I don't know why the lack of menu editing is gone. I would think it's because it's dev release. However, it doesn't run like a dev release, this is highly stable. I'm using it 2 days now. [23:39] lee555J5: ready?? :) [23:39] Dominian: messing with BSD, or did someone port it to Linux again? [23:39] Urchlay: NetBSD [23:39] Urchlay, I've used xfce as my main desktop for a few years now, and this is just as stable I find as that one was. [23:39] Action: Dominian just spend the last two days porting his mail server from Slackware to NetBSD.. not fun [23:39] Re xfce-4.6.1, it's not a dev release. The reason for the lack of menu editor is lack of dev time to finish it, and it would have held up the release a long time [23:39] I'm kinda partial to netbsd myself [23:40] redtricycle (n=lionel@adsl-68-125-161-157.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [23:40] tho haven't had it installed on anything in forever [23:40] rworkman, do you know if in time, they might add it back? [23:40] Urchlay: pkgsrc takes some gettin gused to [23:40] Old_Fogie: in 4.8 [23:40] neat-o :) [23:40] Urchlay: 4.0 was just released today [23:40] pkgsrc is pretty slick, even works on Linux [23:40] Urchlay: yeah [23:40] OpenBSD 4.5 is out in the next few days [23:40] rworkman: No. I haven't had any time to work on a build. I had a month in Pascagoula doing 12-14 hour days. :/ [23:40] The only bitch I have about NetBSD.. the default packages .. you do upgrades with pkgsrc.. it installs them, by default, to /usr/pkg and leaves the "originals" in /usr/bin [23:41] rworkman, I thought it came out today? [23:41] Old_Fogie: maybe so :) [23:41] on my old slamd64 10.2 install I let pkgsrc build gnome for me, amazingly it built fine and ran the one app I wanted (gtetrinet) perfectly [23:41] lee555J5: yuck [23:41] hmmm distrowatch had an rss anounce for it [23:41] probably then [23:41] anyway, gn, later [23:41] rworkman, http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=05459 [23:41] The current release is OpenBSD 4.5 which was released May 1, 2009. [23:41] I think they jumped the gun a bit [23:42] Hi Dominian, how are you? [23:42] Well, they normally release wrt utc [23:42] I was thinking it was May 2 though [23:42] Urchlay: and I was wrong.. netbsd 5.0 was released [23:42] firebird619: good.. tired [23:42] brain is mush right now [23:42] (well, there was one hitch: "uname -m" was returning "AMD Genuine Athlon(tm)" or something lame like that, pkgsrc barfed due to the spaces and () in the name...) [23:42] dragonfly bsd and solaris 10 u7 were released today too [23:43] Very cool..xfce 4.6 lets me set different mouse accel settings for my touchpad and an attached mouse [23:43] lee555J5 (n=lee555J5@24-178-190-45.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com) left irc: "nobody cares" [23:43] Hi nachox, how's it going? [23:43] One thing (and this is minor) I wish XFCE would borrow the code from gnome, that if you change your mouse cursor, you dont need to logout, (or pkill xfwm4) [23:43] hrm.. I need to set my TTLs back to 3600.. [23:44] they are at 300 right now for the MX updates [23:44] firebird619, fine, i'm very sleepy... [23:44] Odd...upgrading to xfce 4.6 changed all my keyboard shortcuts [23:44] from ctrl+alt+letter [23:44] to ctrl++letter [23:44] AkumaTw0 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:44] o_o [23:45] redtricycle, yeah I have issues here with xfce keyboard not saving my shortcuts (and not saving the number of virt desktops) [23:45] but I built my own, so that could be why [23:45] in fact, i think i'm off, night all [23:45] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.31.200) left irc: "Leaving" [23:45] redtricycle, so I stopped using xfce for shortcuts, and just use xbindkeys [23:45] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "sleep." [23:45] lf4 (n=KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: "sleeping" [23:45] AkumaTw0 (n=Akuma@modemcable161.131-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:46] ??? [23:46] what's the new shortcut for maximize? [23:46] it use to be alt+f5 [23:46] dunno, don't use that or have it binded [23:47] I see.. [23:47] it's not alt+f10 [23:47] o-o [23:47] now* [23:47] tho I do have alt f11 for fullscreen [23:47] and ctrl+q for quit [23:47] which, if no windows open, also brings up the logout dialog window [23:49] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-19.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:49] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [23:49] Hey MLanden. How are you? [23:49] I'm doing great. [23:49] Fine thanks,firebird619 [23:50] MLanden, good [23:50] Hello edman007, how are you? [23:50] heya,edman007 [23:51] how do i start mysql on slack [23:51] ruben23: you can read /etc/rc.mysql [23:51] sorry [23:51] /etc/rc.d/rc.mysql [23:52] umislack_ (n=umislack@58.64.89.107) joined ##slackware. [23:53] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [23:53] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: "Leaving" [23:55] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikcORM0eY7U&feature=rec-HM-rev-rn this is great! [23:55] firebird619, MLanden good :) [23:56] stef_208 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [23:57] ugh, ctrl-Q for quit was the bane of my existence in the netscape 3/4 era [23:58] ctrl-A and ctrl-W were useful emacs-style editing keys when entering text [23:58] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [23:58] but right next to them was this landmine, ctrl-Q, "quit application immediately without asking" [23:58] yeah, and ctrl w for tab closing ..and if you miss, and hit q you're screwd :) [23:59] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-55-52-127.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] Urchlay, haha, i got emacs mode enabled in GTK, some apps suck with it, FF for example maps some but not all of the keys i want [23:59] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) left irc: Client Quit [23:59] what, firefox still has that? It doesn't have emacs editing keys any longer, so maybe I just haven't hit it by accident [00:00] --- Fri May 1 2009