[00:02] well it'll be less of an issue since SSD's are the future i think motherboards should come with a bit of onboard storage for the boot loader [00:02] where is the freetype module in 13.0? [00:03] /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so <-- i mean that one. The manifest doesn't show it exists in any package [00:03] i've had so many hdd's die on me and cause a bigger headache because the bootloader was on it [00:03] linkedin.com sucks [00:04] MrEntropy: xorg/modules/fonts/ does not even exist [00:05] oh yeah, i'm moving over to ati, bought an ATI HD 4890 gfx card that'll be here on wednesday, how well does wine/linux play with ati cards now? [00:05] macavity: how come? [00:05] i dont know.. the new xorg is very different from the older series [00:05] this is coming from someone who's had 0 issues with 3 different nvidia cards [00:05] i dont know if this happened in 1.5.x or 1.6.x [00:05] i missed the 1.5.x series entirely [00:06] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [00:06] Fenix-Dark: looks like you are about to watch the trouble begin.. [00:06] macavity, its that bad? [00:06] Fenix-Dark: iirc the driver wont even play nice with the .29 kernels yet [00:07] meh [00:07] if i had a fry's nearby or if they offered shipping, i would have bought a GTX 275 instead [00:07] just about the same price [00:08] i thought the 4890 killed the GTX275 in most games? [00:08] omnipotentduo (n=omnipote@unaffiliated/omnipotentduo) joined ##slackware. [00:08] i dont think it was _that_ much better at 1920x1080 [00:09] ejal_ (n=ejal@DSL217-132-46-205.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:09] afaik they're pretty comprable in most games [00:09] ok.. then ATI is getting sloppy :P [00:09] heh [00:10] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [00:10] and on an even more depressing note, have the x-fi cards received any better support? [00:10] they should either deliver the same performance at a slightly cheeper price, or just a little under for a much cheeper price [00:10] i agree [00:10] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) joined ##slackware. [00:10] but nvidia has to make up for a ton of losses on defective 8xxx series cards [00:10] oh, only the emu10k based X-Fi cards are supported [00:11] could i put pacman or apt-get on slack? [00:11] omnipotentduo: no [00:11] i got a free xfi xtreme audio card, it works substantially better in windows 7 than my "old" audigy 2 zs [00:11] omnipotentduo: and since you have to ask, you may consider the option that slackware does not provide what you would call a good distro [00:12] omnipotentduo: we have slackpkg, but again, it does not do automatic dependency resolution and never will (the slackware package format simply does not support specifying dependnecies) [00:12] i have used slackware but it has been about 8 years or so [00:12] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [00:13] just do a full install [00:13] i am well aware how great slack is, i am waiting for full 64 bit support to drop [00:13] or be prepared to investigate things by hand :P [00:13] yes i know. [00:13] omnipotentduo: Slackware64 13.0 was out just the other day [00:13] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:13] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] OH it did drop :D [00:14] go burn a DVD and get hacking :P [00:14] the only time that slackware's package management was a pain for me was when i was installing ffmpeg, only because i needed to get 6 or so deps first [00:14] Fenix-Dark: sbopkg is SO great for that [00:14] Fenix-Dark: it has a really nice queue manager [00:15] real quick question i install 13 64bit but i didn't notice any smp kernels this would mean i need to compile them myself right? [00:15] looks like i'll be doing some googling [00:15] Fenix-Dark: so, you find an app, add it to the queue, find a dep, add it, repeat untill you are out of deps... hit "build queue" [00:15] macavity, that looks great [00:15] Fenix-Dark: then it builds the queue bottom-up [00:15] Fenix-Dark: that is, the last added package first [00:16] toastytoast: they are smp. there are no no-smp kernels for 64bit [00:16] Fenix-Dark: really, it is the nicest thing since sliced loaf :P [00:16] ok i was begining to think that [00:16] macavity, sounds like it [00:16] DVD's are for wimps. A real Slacker pipes rsync | tar -zx, maybe even over nc. [00:16] but fatalnix kept bugging me about it [00:16] thx [00:16] beatzz (i=beatzz@cpe-72-183-220-239.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Java user signed off" [00:17] rob0: and how does he execute install/install.sh then? [00:17] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.52.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:17] has anyone started w/ slack64? [00:17] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] huh? [00:18] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.52.147) joined ##slackware. [00:19] slackware 13.0 64 bit [00:19] waabimiigwan_ (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] what do you mean "has anyone stared with" ? [00:19] Technically you're right, that would not be simple to do. What's needed is an installpkg which takes stdin. That would be pretty easy to do. [00:19] started* [00:20] "Was anyone frightened or surprised by slack64?" [00:20] well I mean has anyone installed and tried it out and then ran the other way OR loved it [00:20] everyone loves it :P [00:20] I have a slack64 laptop, but I don't use it much. Hated KDE 4. [00:21] Action: andarius was frightend by it. his in the closet for a week :( [00:21] before i went to 64 bit i loved slack [00:21] s/his/hid/ [00:21] its as close to a 1:1 port of slackware32 as you can get, while still retaining 32bit executable compatability [00:21] andarius: have you come out of the closet yet? [00:21] negative [00:21] just moved the systems in there with me [00:21] no, he sits in there with a waffle iron, ready to defend himself :P [00:22] Getting a tan from the glow of LCD. [00:22] why would someone pipe the install over nc? [00:22] dchmelik: because it would give them a bigger e-penis ;-) [00:22] rob0, AFAIK you can uninstall kde4 and take kde3 from Slamd64 [00:23] i love KDE 4.3 [00:23] If I do upgrade this system, I might do something like that. [00:23] rob0: i used to hate KDE4.. but i must say, now that i have it set up the way i like, it is really awesome [00:23] omnipotentduo: slackware 13 still has 4.2.4 [00:24] I don't want to have to tinker with GUI junk. I liked KDE 3 because it had a lot of good defaults. [00:24] 4.2 is an easy upgrade [00:24] omnipotentduo: history has tought us not to go with a KDE product the ends in .0 .1 or .2 ;-) [00:24] toastytoast (n=toast@cpe-74-75-199-104.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:24] especially with KDE 4 [00:24] omnipotentduo: and that comes from a guy how has been a KDE user since 1.1.2 [00:24] Xfce ftw [00:24] no, all their major x.0.0 bumps has been painfull [00:24] yes, xfce ftw [00:25] heh, i started with KDE in 2000 [00:25] and x.x.0 ones thends to be just plain rough [00:25] mornin [00:25] XFCE, I am using now. Has a few quirks I don't like. [00:25] i liked enlightenment, but it was too unstable [00:25] rob0: what don't you like? [00:26] the bread crumb thingie in the GTK Open/Save File dialog sucks so hard :P [00:26] mayday_jay_ (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Client Quit [00:26] it is my main reason for trampling ff in the face every so often [00:27] i will try kde 4.2.4 and 4.3... but if they are not as good as 3.10 i will complain on #kde [00:27] oh, that will help quite a bit [00:27] yeah [00:27] dchmelik: 3.10?!? [00:27] exactly. 3.10 [00:27] wow. [00:27] Do you think that all your complaining will fix what you don't like about kde4 dchmelik? :P [00:27] well, a couple things I can think of right off, window manager: opening a link from konq on virtual #2 in FF on virtual #4, moves FF to #2. [00:28] dchmelik: You do know that there isn't a 3.10, right? It's 3.5.10 [00:28] i mean 3.5.10 [00:28] lol [00:28] ah [00:28] but 3.10 was good too [00:28] or whatever [00:28] And, konq cookie confirmation box always switches focus back to konq. [00:28] when I start xfce, the text fontsize is impossible small and unreadable. in what conf file do I increase default fontsize for xfce and X11? [00:29] rob0: you're using konq in xfce? [00:29] Also, scroll wheel won't change focus. [00:29] focus on what ? [00:29] rob0: see: Settings/Window Manager Tweaks for your focus issues [00:30] change focus to an inactive window. I think I did look there ... [00:30] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:30] what.. the 3.5.10 images i see really looks like KDE4 [00:30] is slack still a text editor? [00:30] what's up with that? [00:30] rather a text installer [00:30] yes [00:30] omnipotentduo: ncurses [00:30] cool [00:31] damn, right now I think my little xfce launcher thing is dead. [00:31] any way to setup a usb flash drive with slackware 13.0 to be used to install from in windows, rather than burning the image to a dvd? [00:31] rob0: dunno about the konq things you mentioned, I can't stand that ugly beast of a crap browser. Just use Firefox... [00:31] soon as this torrent finishes, i will be back on the distro i first started my linux lifestyle on *pulls out a pipe* [00:32] take a look at opera 10 its even worse [00:32] screw opera [00:32] I use FF for a lot of things, but most of what I do is fine in konq, and I like some of the bells-n-whistles it has. "wp:keyword" to search wikipedia, I do that a lot. [00:33] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [00:33] Fenix-Dark: look in the usb-and-pxe-installers/ dir on your local ftp mirror [00:33] Fenix-Dark: really it is easy as pie [00:33] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [00:34] i like the addon ubiquity for firefox [00:34] guys, when I start xfce, the text fontsize is impossible small and unreadable. in what conf file do I increase default fontsize for xfce and X11? [00:34] macavity, even from windows? [00:34] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] anyone know of a small app that will produce the console beeps for various things, on a laptop with no built in "pcspeaker"? [00:34] Fenix-Dark: ah.. oh.. maybe? [00:34] Fenix-Dark: rawwrite.exe or something [00:34] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:34] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [00:34] it'll probably be easier to just find a blank dvd lol [00:34] might be [00:34] phoenix^ (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: "leaving" [00:35] and make sure you are never in the "i only have windows" situation again ;-) [00:35] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [00:35] better yet, make sure you are in the "uhm, i dont have windows" situation sometime soon :P [00:35] DAMNED IT, i was looking forward to putting slack on my computer, and i am out of DVD's [00:35] Quiznos: Settings/Appearance/Fonts/default font size [00:35] where is the default cursor theme located for Xorg? i want to get rid of it.. even if i specify a new theme in xorg it rears its ugly head sometimes [00:36] danc3 the text is unreadable [00:36] oh [00:36] danc3 is there a etc/x11 conf file to mung? [00:37] well, there is no longer required to be an /etc/X11/xorg.conf file, but if you have an old one (from 12.2?) you can use it [00:37] you got a backup of the 12.2 xorg.conf? [00:37] danc3 so mv it? [00:38] ya [00:38] and restart X... [00:38] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] danc3 x1 wont start without a conf file. [00:38] it will now [00:38] nop [00:38] as of 13.0 [00:39] tried it [00:39] well mine sure does [00:39] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [00:39] mine did too [00:39] you got hal/udev running? [00:39] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@68.145.46.239) joined ##slackware. [00:39] Hey.. [00:39] both yes [00:39] Ugh..i need help [00:39] ok [00:40] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:40] Well i have arch installed [00:40] atm [00:40] im on it [00:40] and i went ahead, installed slackware on my extra space (88GB_ [00:40] danc3 what's your x11's date of compile? [00:40] release date? [00:41] in x.log [00:41] Quiznos: sec [00:41] k [00:41] where is that log? [00:41] varlog [00:41] and i exited slackware to configure grub [00:41] in arch [00:41] but.. [00:41] forgot to make a initrd O_O [00:41] so i cant boot into slackware again [00:41] okchroot into your slackware andf make one then [00:41] valkyrie: chroot to slackware and make the initrd? [00:41] Action: valkyrie Blinks [00:41] Smart idea.. [00:42] thanks xD [00:42] valkyrie the boot fstype isnt in the kernel? [00:42] Quiznos: Build Date: 03 August 2009 06:51:50PM [00:42] cant think tonite [00:42] omnipotentduo: install it from the ISO [00:42] valkyrie: ;-) [00:42] danty; i have an older x [00:42] veritos (n=koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] Quiznos: you are using 13.0? [00:42] valkyrie: instructions are in /boot/README.initrd [00:42] i know [00:42] i mounted /dev/sda6 [00:42] danc3 yea; hold on to compare another date to mine... [00:42] valkyrie: since you are on anoter kernel (the arch one) the -k option is mandatory [00:42] which is what slackware i on [00:42] Quiznos, X doesn't require xorg.conf in slackware-13.0, I just try and it works [00:43] Quiznos: how can yours be older? This is a stock 13.0 install here [00:43] Anyone come up with a utility to list what libraries are installed but not actually needed? Basically automating all of those calls to ldd? [00:43] dchmelik: i could, but i haven't ever done that before. [00:43] Thom1 yea , we got that established but... [00:43] and i tried to cat README.initrd [00:43] as root in the mounted boot folder [00:43] danc3 duno; chking slack dirtree [00:44] and it said it was non existent..even tho when i ls'd it said it was there [00:44] ?!? [00:45] danc3 well, packages/ has the right package but the running bin is wrong [00:45] older [00:45] Quiznos: is this an "upgraded" install, or clean? [00:45] up [00:45] there ya go... [00:45] hold on... [00:46] Action: danc3 always does a clean install on a new release [00:46] yea well, i'm speeshul :) [00:46] hehe [00:46] omnipotentduo, it is not hard, you just mount it with the loop device [00:46] ok; so gotta redo [00:46] ack [00:46] ahh ok [00:47] i will look up a guide for that so i can read in depth and understand better [00:48] omnipotentduo: to mount an iso? [00:48] no, install from iso [00:48] oh [00:48] the best StarTrek:OS line, _What Little girls are made of_; by Grok (heh, the TALL actor) "existence, survival: cancels out programming!" [00:48] i have never installed from iso [00:48] nor have I [00:49] Ugh [00:49] omnipotentduo: that would require you to make some other kind of bootable media [00:49] omnipotentduo: eg, a USB thumdrive [00:49] rmpkg xorg-server [00:49] cool opera 10 rc works well on slack [00:49] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:49] O_O [00:49] omnipotentduo: then mount the iso via loopback after you have booted the USB thingie [00:50] and my mobo doesn't support boot from USB. I will get some DVD's tommorow [00:50] why dont i just switch to using the huge kernel? [00:50] whats the diff? [00:50] omnipotentduo: ah, shit out of luck then [00:50] valkyrie: lol.. i thought you needed the initrd for some luks/lvm thingie [00:50] meh i haven't used slack in 6 years i think i can wait another day or two [00:50] Nu xD [00:50] For booting [00:50] valkyrie: sure, just boot the huge kernel [00:50] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] veritos (n=koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:50] Yay, im saved [00:50] xD [00:51] valkyrie: you will get some bitching from it about some USB symbols being owned by kernel, but they are harmless [00:51] BUG FOUND in 13's mc; F6 (mv); on target-name is "*1" the character "*" is not a regex char!!! [00:51] someone confirm? [00:51] result should be same as mv name name1 [00:52] but with "*1" "name" is lost [00:52] Action: valkyrie Crosses fingers and reboots [00:52] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@68.145.46.239) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:53] "^1" maybe [00:54] Action: macavity has a regexp disability [00:54] no; the star is sposed to be regex; name to name1 on target-regex "*1" [00:54] I can confirm that the behavior is changed. However, it's supposed to be shell globs, not regex. [00:54] glob is still a regex (not using word technically) [00:54] but, according to the grep manpage, * means "The preceding item will be matched zero or more times" [00:55] ah, ok [00:55] in mc, "*1" would rename srcname "name" to "name1" [00:55] that's how is was in previuos versions [00:55] The Russian (Ukranian maybe) guys presently maintaining mc are not as careful as the former group, IMO. [00:56] so what did it do at yours? [00:56] "*1" literally? [00:56] They're working hard, but they may be working TOO hard. [00:56] rob0 damn [00:56] i thought POSIX forbids * in filenames [00:56] duno [00:56] no, they can be quoted [00:57] chking [00:57] ok.. i cant seem to get a / in filenames, no matter what i thought :P [00:57] yup [00:57] * in filenames work [00:57] just rm \* to get rid of it [00:58] we're not on that macavity [00:58] we on bug in mc [00:58] ok filerenameing is broke [00:58] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [00:58] BE VERY CAREFUL IN USING mc to rename files. [00:58] Quiznos: it was in response to the '"*1" litterally?' [00:58] Anyway, your workaround, unless you're in screen, is to use Shift-F6 when you would have used a glob rename. [00:59] this sucks [00:59] or, Ctrl-O to shell and use rename(1) [01:00] lol [01:00] upgradepkg wont install files based on prefix? fails on "xorg-server" [01:00] Quiznos: nope.. fill package name [01:00] *full [01:00] RaiCoss (n=RaiCoss@92.4.53.76) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Quiznos: maybe you are thinking of slackpkg? [01:00] nods [01:00] macavity nop [01:00] Hey o/ [01:01] hello RaiCoss [01:01] xorg-server* reinstalled; [01:01] hey man :) [01:01] And BTW, there are important differences between shell globs and regex. [01:01] danc3 hold [01:01] ok [01:01] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:01] I know NOTHING about slackware so excuse me for being a total noob [01:01] can I install the nVidia driver on Slackware? [01:01] yes [01:01] RaiCoss: start with the URLs in the channel topic then :P [01:01] you asked that wrong [01:01] the question is: [01:02] Valk{Windows} (n=Justin@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] Yo [01:02] can you install nvisia on linux? [01:02] and the answer is yes [01:02] Can anyone read this? [01:02] O_o [01:02] Valk{Windows}: nope [01:02] I know that [01:02] :D [01:02] xD [01:02] RaiCoss: sure, go ahead [01:02] Darn [01:02] I just know nothing about Slackware [01:02] K well. [01:02] if it works on linux, it works on slackware [01:02] go ahead? [01:02] Valk{Windows}: we are not seing anything.. come pack with a UNIX OS and client ;-) [01:02] ok; rmpkg on x11 servers installed (not sure if current) installed from slackware/x/; startx; X11 v1.4.0.90; release date 5 Sept 2007 [01:02] slackware is as close to linux you can get almost [01:02] im making my normal user [01:02] O_O [01:02] RaiCoss: yes, install the nvidia driver [01:02] I'm only used to Ubuntu [01:02] there is something wrong with the files i ftp'd [01:02] and it asks user id [01:02] wtf [01:02] is user if [01:02] Channel flood from Valk{Windows} -- kicking [01:02] id* [01:02] Valk{Windows} kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:02] haha [01:02] ic. [01:03] Nick change: fatalnix -> Subway [01:03] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [01:03] do I need to edit xorg or w/e with slackware? [01:03] Valk{Windows} (n=Justin@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] Action: Subway eats quiznos [01:03] -.- [01:03] nom nom nom [01:03] Valk{Windows}: just hit enter [01:03] Valk{Windows}: just hit enter at that point [01:03] Valk{Windows}: you dont need to say anything special at that point [01:03] initial group? O_o [01:03] RaiCoss: depends [01:03] on? [01:03] Valk{Windows}: however, when it asks you about aditional groups, hit arrow-up [01:03] accept defaults unless you know otherwise [01:03] Action: Subway spits Quiznos out, eww! this has MSG! [01:03] Valk{Windows}: defaults, all the way to "Aditional group membership" or whatever it is called [01:03] yeah, up-arrow at groups is a good idea [01:03] RaiCoss: on how you installed the driver. The driver will make changes to xorg.conf if you want it to. [01:03] fnord0 (n=fnord0@unaffiliated/fnord0) joined ##slackware. [01:04] Nick change: Subway -> Fatalnix [01:04] lol [01:04] what dependcies will I need to install? [01:04] none [01:04] oik [01:04] ok* [01:04] encies* [01:04] okkkk [01:04] what groups should i add? [01:04] Valk{Windows}: hit arrow-up [01:04] once? [01:04] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.192) left irc: "Leaving" [01:04] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] twice? [01:04] Valk{Windows}: the ones it suggests works [01:04] is there a LiveCD for slack? [01:04] Valk{Windows}: no [01:04] RaiCoss: no [01:04] Valk{Windows}: just once, then you have it [01:04] awww [01:04] CLI install only? [01:05] Valk{Windows}: those are the ones that you need if you dont know what you need [01:05] expiry date? [01:05] none [01:05] k [01:05] RaiCoss: you boot the 1st CD, or the DVD [01:05] hit enter from now on [01:05] huh [01:05] RaiCoss: it's indeed a scary text-mode installer. [01:05] danc3 did you see my latest lines above? [01:05] I'm ok with text installers [01:05] Rai livecd and cli install are different concepts, what's your question [01:05] Done :'D [01:05] I can install Ubuntu in cli and builds the system [01:05] Now.. [01:05] but thats all I know :( [01:05] Quiznos: yes, that is *WAY* old version [01:05] RaiCoss: you do the partitioning by hand, then type setup, and the rest is menu driven [01:06] -s [01:06] do i automatically have a package manager? [01:06] O.o [01:06] okkk [01:06] RaiCoss: #ubuntu is over there ---------------------> [01:06] Valk{Windows}: slackpkg [01:06] I'll try it in Vbox first :P [01:06] danc3 yea but i reinstalled and still same date [01:06] /topic is ^^ up there [01:06] Valk{Windows}: oh, and this is not ##ubuntu, so please, read the URLs in the topic [01:06] I know where Ubuntu is [01:06] topic is not well written [01:06] Quiznos: I suspect there is more than one package that needs replacing. [01:06] I'm trying to get away from it ¬_¬ [01:06] danc3 i replaced all xorg-server*'s [01:06] just got my slackware 13 iso! (x86) -- I got 12.1 on a server right now, looking to upgrade to 13 -- can one go from 12.1 -> 13.0 easily? or do I need to 12.1 -> 12.2 -> 13.0 ? ... normally I'd go the second route, but I noticed in the 13.0 announcement on slackware.com "The slackpkg tool can also help update from an older version of Slackware to a newer one, and keep your Slackware system up to date" [01:07] RaiCoss: ok well go read the Slackbook and install it, and then come back here with questions. [01:07] is slack a rolling? [01:07] no [01:07] dios_mio (i=test@88.236.181.190) left irc: Client Quit [01:07] It was a dark and stormy /topic ... -- Bulwer-Lytton [01:07] fnord0: read the UPGRADE.TXT in the base directory.. it spells it out [01:07] how long is it supported for? [01:07] macavity: ya, I am reading it now =) [01:07] RaiCoss: usually 5 years [01:07] Quiznos: if I was you, I'd back up /home and do a clean install, and restore /home [01:07] lol [01:07] kk [01:07] fnord0: dont forget to the backup step ;-) [01:08] danc3 yea, that's the final option and i'm not there yet. [01:08] RaiCoss: bugger off and go do some work on your own [01:08] Its a laptop.. [01:08] Quiznos: ok ;) [01:08] so i need wlan0 at some point.. [01:08] danc3 watch your mouth [01:08] how would i do that? [01:08] O_o [01:08] danc3 distro-installed files go on one part; everything else on all the other parts [01:08] macavity: u bet! =) just follow UPGRADE.TXT and I should be fine? 12.1 -> 13.0? [01:08] RaiCoss: <----- n00buntu troll? [01:08] the two never nix [01:08] Valk{Windows}: you should learn some basic GNU/Linux first :P [01:08] mix [01:08] Heh [01:08] i do know [01:08] Yes because I'm asking questions to leanr about Slack [01:08] but..its diff from arch [01:09] or ubuntu [01:09] I'm obviously a troll [01:09] learn* [01:09] Valk{Windows}: no.. Slackware is not very different from Arch [01:09] .. [01:09] idiot [01:09] You got netcfg? [01:09] kevin01123 (n=pooky1@24-216-187-138.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:09] netconfig [01:09] just read slackbook.org [01:09] RaiCoss: there's a difference... you're asking stuff that is easily found out, just by looking at the website or reading the SlackBook. [01:09] If you got netcfg, or wicd [01:09] Once upon a time, there was a well-written /topic. The people /join'ed and read it. They /part'ed happy, or they stayed in the channel to live productive lives, happily ever after. The end. [01:09] then im all good [01:09] xD [01:09] Valk{Windows}: wicd is in extra/ [01:09] I didn't know that [01:09] ok? [01:10] yeah [01:10] Valk{Windows}: extra/ is on the DVD [01:10] whatever [01:10] go do some reading [01:10] calm down everyone please [01:10] w/e man [01:10] i have the DVD [01:10] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.52.147) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:10] Valk{Windows}: good, then you cd to /media/cdrom/extra/wicd (or whatever) [01:10] where do I download slack? [01:11] see? [01:11] another stupid question [01:11] I'm looking at slack .com [01:11] omg [01:11] keep trying [01:11] dude go fuck yourself [01:11] Valk{Windows}: then installpkg wicd*.txz [01:11] Hey! Downloading Slack, that might be a good link to have in /topic too! [01:11] CHILL [01:11] both of you [01:11] Should prob have the DVD in huh. [01:11] xD [01:11] macavity: the reason I am asking, please dont think im dense -- I been longtime slacker (since 4.x) every upgrade slackware.com has always suggested going from release to release... but this was the first time I read in an announcement something that said ".... can also help update from an older version of Slackware to a newer one". Ive always gone th route of OLDER release -> NEWER release. but I missed 12.2 on my server for some strange reason [01:12] i dont like that there's a usr/X11/bin ln and all the binaries are in one usr/bin [01:12] danc3: if you dont want to support a newb, just walk away.. you dont need to flame him [01:12] thank you :) [01:12] macavity: I know, but really.... did you see the question he asked? [01:12] now where do I download? [01:12] and why is pat still insisting on usr dirs that arent FHS? [01:12] "where can I dl slack" [01:12] I can't find an ISO in the mirrors [01:12] fnord0: no need to worry in this case.. 12.1 and 12.2 are similar [01:13] macavity: u da man [01:13] danc3 wtf is your problem? [01:13] elitest prick? [01:13] i guess RaiCoss doesn't want to stop the trouble [01:13] RaiCoss: if you keep cussing, one of the ops is going to kick/ban you, real soon now. [01:13] fnord0: don't worry, i got crap a few days ago because i hadnt seen txz files before (which are new btw)... [01:13] RaiCoss: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso [01:13] i think older Slackware was better than the FHS anyway [01:13] thank you macavity [01:14] RaiCoss: ftp.slackware.no is updated very fast [01:14] then subsequently ridiculed for not knowing how to install packages, when my definition of packages wasnt even the same heh [01:14] RaiCoss: and they have a direct uplink to backbone, so it is pretty much fast all over the world [01:14] macavity: thanks, that eases my mind, I will FOR SURE backup - but I gonna go from 12.1 to 13.0 (and yes I saw they came out with txz files too, brand new! woot, better compression FTW!) [01:14] damn [01:14] adeodatus (i=1000@92.82.68.75) joined ##slackware. [01:14] Quiznos: i fubar'd the boot sector on my win 7 drive xD [01:14] ViN, don't sweat it, probably some small timer making fun of you [01:14] ViN86: but it's also expected that you read the README explaining that the packages had changed from tgz to txz. [01:14] i fixed it already though lol [01:14] a DVD ISO? [01:15] anything smaller? [01:15] RaiCoss: oh, just look in the directory [01:15] yeah, there are 6 CD's [01:15] mancha: Ya, small timer named bk{p}... [01:15] RaiCoss: you only need CD1 [01:15] will I need al 6 CD's? [01:15] macavity: can you please post another link for him to find it? [01:15] kk [01:15] thanks :P [01:15] RaiCoss: after that you can just use slackpkg to install the rest [01:15] danc3: no [01:15] BP{k}, that lamer, he has probably gone to bed by now. [01:15] agentc0re: well i did re-read the slackware info on packages... i was told that was the answer lol [01:15] ViN86 win7 should be able to fix it or just put lilo or grub on it anyway [01:15] Quiznos: yea i fixed it np [01:15] k [01:16] off to bed, later Quiznos [01:16] gn [01:16] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-ONE-O-TWO.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] reget ftp slackware/x [01:17] ok, I'm downloading the torrent :) [01:17] i perfere having the DVD around :P [01:17] rob0: pfft.. What a noob right.. Expecting someone to read something that explains the change. [01:17] lol [01:17] Good god! [01:17] hi all [01:17] hi [01:17] slackware is a monolithic distro of a monolithic kernel ontop of a highly modular userland :P [01:18] heh [01:18] slack is all tar.gz stuff isn't it? [01:18] mancha: And you are exactly right! WTF is some noob telling him to go and read something, right?! [01:18] bit it sure is nice to have the source and build scripts handy when you are stuck in liverfuckingfoo without net [01:18] lol [01:18] mancha: I mean, god for bid anyone expects common sense from someone.. [01:19] RaiCoss: we switched to tar.xz now [01:19] RaiCoss: or rather, .txz [01:19] RaiCoss: there is a destinction [01:19] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:19] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] RaiCoss: it is not just a tarball.. there is a directory inside with post-install scripts [01:19] macavity: Watch out.. mancha might rip on you for that.. :P [01:20] agentc0re: mancha can join my fan club and bite me ;-) [01:20] agentc0re, i don't think there's any need for this, what's your point? [01:20] Action: agentc0re requests to bite macavity [01:20] go [01:21] I hear it's to die for. [01:21] :D [01:21] oh, and to all you who are so harsh against our new visitors.. [01:21] joannis (n=joannis@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "leaving" [01:21] you clearly havent been around long enough to obseve that it is at major-number-release-time that we harvest our to-become-dedicated-community-players [01:22] yes, 9 in 10 disapear soon [01:22] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [01:22] but those 1 in 10 that we cater for and give a little handholding untill they have their system set up will pay it back to the community [01:22] Action: macavity has spoken [01:22] prove your numbers [01:23] what is .xz? [01:23] why not .bz2? [01:23] Quiznos: give or take an order of magnitude [01:23] new tar/compression extension [01:23] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:23] dchmelik: bz2 does not work very well on binary content [01:23] macavity pff [01:23] so it's guess work? [01:23] dchmelik: it was developed specifically for text, and thus work very great for source code [01:23] good [01:24] RaiCoss_ (n=RaiCoss_@92.0.241.213) joined ##slackware. [01:24] wtf [01:24] lol @ doesnt work very well on binary content [01:24] macavity: I know exactly what you are trying to say. Some people want to learn but need their hand held. The thing is that bp{k} is a nice guy and always extends his help further than he should. It's shown. This guy would just not get the clue. [01:24] why did I just get kicked? [01:24] did a mod nuke me? [01:24] you werent [01:24] lol [01:24] glitch ¬_¬ [01:24] macavity: So just a minute ago when he said something about it, and ripped on him for it.. i couldn't let it slide. [01:25] and mancha decided it was a good idea to agree with him, that it was some "noob" [01:25] RaiCoss: either you timed out, or you pissed off slackboy with too frequent use of enter :P [01:25] slackboy? [01:25] RaiCoss: the channel bot [01:25] lol [01:25] why? [01:25] How do I install a dvd image from windows? [01:25] boot it [01:25] RaiCoss: hit Enter 5 times in a row quickly [01:25] RaiCoss: because he has a line-o-meter to prevent people from pasting into the channel [01:26] RaiCoss_: considering your original nick (RaiCoss) is still here, I'd imagine there was a disconnect of some sort [01:26] ummm I didn't enter 5 things in a row [01:26] adeodatus: you burn it to disk with something like Nero [01:26] ohhai (n=eva00@200-103-149-110.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:26] ok quasar :) [01:26] RaiCoss: quasar has a point [01:27] RaiCoss: use the GHOST command with nickserv to reclaim your original nick [01:27] GHOST /NICK RaiCoss [01:27] nope [01:27] that didn't work [01:27] /msg nickserv help ghost [01:27] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:27] RaiCoss_ ^^ [01:27] troll [01:28] It's possibile to install slackware dvd image from windows without burning a disk? [01:28] whose a troll? [01:28] you better get into the habit of investigating things for yourself [01:28] quasar: Troll's can't call on other troll's :P [01:28] rogdfl [01:28] adeodatus: i doubt it [01:28] adeodatus, only on a virtual machine [01:28] adeodatus: unless you are a wizard with virtual machines [01:28] troll's work alone; ALL YOU ARE AMATEURS!!! [01:28] i am teh Troll here! [01:28] adeodatus: something with getting the virtual machine to use a raw partition instead of a disk file [01:29] Quiznos: we know :P [01:29] ty [01:29] being a troll is not about being a pain in the ass [01:29] nor a pest [01:29] oh, your good at that too ;-) [01:29] damn straight [01:29] about living under a bridge? [01:29] agentc0re: oh! I found something the other day that we talked about a couple weeks ago.. http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh [01:29] where a troll resides isnt the point either [01:30] awwww [01:30] upgr --instal x/ [01:30] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [01:31] after a reget [01:31] RaiCoss: did you go for the DVD iso on torrent, or just CD1? [01:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:32] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [01:32] cd1 [01:33] ok.. then i cant help seeding [01:33] quasar: Really, i thought we were debating about this: http://tinyurl.com/l6htmc [01:33] I doubt it [01:33] lol its like 75% already :P [01:33] i was just sucking down the dvd iso from an ftp mirror to help the torrent people [01:33] that's not meatspin is it? [01:33] quasar: Nope. [01:33] rofl close enough [01:34] quasar: Booya!!! [01:34] quasar: :D [01:34] ok; so; i uninstalled all xorg-servers; rm usr/bin/Xorg; ftp-reget slackware/x from mirror; i can confirm that ftp.heanet.ie HAS THE WRONG VERSION OF xorg-server in the mirror! [01:34] is there a packake manager for slack? [01:34] yes [01:34] package* [01:34] slackpkg [01:34] and pkgtool [01:34] pancake? [01:34] RaiCoss_: Slackware package-management: is called pkgtools, and consist of: pkgtool(8), installpkg(8), upgradepkg(8), removepkg(8), makepkg(8), explodepkg(8). See the manpage or SlackBook Chapter 18 for more information. There is also slackpkg(8), which tends to automate things a bit more. [01:34] it's not packagekit is it? :( [01:35] Folks:: ok; so; i uninstalled all xorg-servers; rm usr/bin/Xorg; ftp-reget slackware/x from mirror; i can confirm that ftp.heanet.ie HAS THE WRONG VERSION OF xorg-server in the mirror! [01:35] okkkkk [01:35] BP{k}++ [01:35] pankake is for kde :P [01:36] RaiCoss: the quick version: install everything on CD1. boot slackware. configure slackpkg. slackpkg update. slackpkg install-new [01:36] RaiCoss: that will bring you up to date [01:36] sweet [01:36] too bad the univ nearest me doesnt mirror slackware [01:36] RaiCoss: and make sure you have a full install..... [01:36] RaiCoss (n=RaiCoss@92.4.53.76) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:36] woot I can reclaim [01:36] Quiznos: how fast is ftp.slackware.no at your place? [01:36] RaiCoss_ (n=RaiCoss_@92.0.241.213) left irc: "Leaving" [01:36] BP{k}: Hey, so i got two people to leave because i defended your work. :D. vin86 said something bad about you because you "ridiculed" him.. then someone else jumped on his band waggon.. :P Btw.. i am keggin my Red Ale. :D :D [01:37] lol [01:37] reclaim == enter, leave now? :P [01:37] RaiCoss (n=RaiCoss_@92.0.241.213) joined ##slackware. [01:37] macavity how would i determine that? [01:37] make sure? [01:37] Quiznos: Utah is pretty fast. [01:38] does alack support WIFI? [01:38] slack** [01:38] afaik, only mirrors.usc.edu has a gig pip, the only one listed in slackpkg mirror file [01:38] RaiCoss, of course :) [01:38] sweet x 2 :P [01:38] wait .. people get offended when I ridicule them? [01:38] and usc has not yet updated their mirror [01:39] BP{k}: "Butthurt" is the official term. :P [01:39] Quiznos: wget something really big from it? [01:39] ij [01:39] ok [01:39] agentc0re: haha [01:39] Quiznos: ftp.slackware.no has 10Gbit iirc [01:39] woot it downloaded [01:39] kk; setting up now [01:39] BP{k}: (11:12:53 PM) ViN86: then subsequently ridiculed for not knowing how to install packages, when my definition of packages wasnt even the same heh [01:40] Action: BP{k} wonders if he should keep a list of people he seems to offend. [01:40] agentc0re: ah well he did ask stupid questions ;) [01:40] BP{k}: Nah, just keep a list of beers that are good. [01:41] agentc0re: yeah, I don't think it would be ecologically responsible otherswise ;) [01:41] BP{k}: Well you tried to help him out. i saw it. It got to the point of no help will be able to help this person.. then someone joined him in saying that: (11:13:36 PM) mancha: ViN, don't sweat it, probably some small timer making fun of you [01:42] lol [01:42] That just set me off. [01:42] macavity 10g maybe but i think that's further away than heanet.ie [01:43] Quiznos: it is, but it is hooked straight to the fiber backbone [01:43] ok [01:43] Quiznos: so you could very well have a lot fewer hops to it [01:43] regeting slackware/x [01:43] nods [01:43] i have seen people in taiwan say that .no is a fast mirror [01:43] and down under [01:43] from me, east-side Fla:: Georgia.us: then overseas i think (standard route from me) [01:43] i'm west-side Fla. [01:44] ugh, I have to fdisk from CLI? 0___o [01:44] yes [01:44] Quiznos: could also traceroute the mirrors and see which one has the fewer hop's. [01:44] or cfdisk [01:44] fdisk /dev/sda? [01:44] nods [01:44] cfdisk is a little more freindly [01:44] already in wget tho [01:44] ok [01:45] Quiznos: it just gave me the dvd at an average speed of 923KB/s [01:45] kool [01:45] Quiznos: ok, i live in Denmark, which is practically the back yard [01:45] heh [01:46] the small files < 100k arrive in <1m [01:46] but you should at least pull some 3-500 KB/s [01:46] ok I partitoned [01:46] when the files are big enuf, yea [01:46] now what? [01:46] mark one partution bootable (a cmd) [01:46] RaiCoss: what did the onscreen text tell you to do? :P [01:46] `a' [01:46] The Wehrmacht figured .dk was a good way to get to .no, as well. [01:46] heh rob0 [01:46] tds mirror iso d/l is fast [01:46] :) [01:47] it just says if I modified any dos 6 partitions [01:47] did you? [01:47] no [01:47] ok; `w' [01:47] RaiCoss: no, the text that told you to manually partition [01:47] did you mark a part as bootable? [01:47] I'm doing this vbox btw [01:47] Quiznos: he is using cfdisk i assume [01:47] lets race, who wants to bet i can install slackware in a vm before he does? [01:47] yeah [01:47] cfdisk [01:47] lol [01:47] :P:P [01:47] RaiCoss: have you exited cfdisk? [01:47] yeah [01:48] back at root [01:48] spook: i'll put $10usd on you any day.. [01:48] RaiCoss: then, as the greeting screen told you, you run setup [01:48] RaiCoss sfdisk -l to test [01:48] spook: shit, you don't even have to try and beat someone, if you know what i mean ;) [01:48] okkkkkkk brb [01:48] its neck and neck [01:48] RaiCoss sfdisk -l to test [01:48] RaiCoss: and from now on, please bloody read what is on the screen..... [01:48] rofl [01:48] dude I'm a total noob [01:48] I need to learn [01:48] all the more reason to READ [01:48] macavity: Where's teh blood? [01:48] dont assume [01:48] done think you know [01:49] just read very very carefully [01:49] that IS how you learn ;-) [01:49] agentc0re: i have some oxen blood on the fridge if you want? [01:49] Hrmmm There is no try.. Do, OR, do not. There is not try! [01:49] you can edit rc.wireless.conf and add your settings. [01:49] as root? [01:49] agentc0re: i prefere having a *real* bloddy mary [01:49] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-164-127.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "there are all the little things, then more little things..." [01:49] or use wicd [01:49] macavity: lol [01:49] Valk{Windows}: in your case, please install wicd [01:50] How? [01:50] Valk{Windows}: rc.wireless.conf is all but obsoleted [01:50] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-61-4-154.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:50] Lol i got no internet [01:50] Valk{Windows}: i told you [01:50] i looked [01:50] Valk{Windows}: it is on the DVD [01:50] i cd'd /media/cdrom [01:50] and ls'd [01:50] and theres nothing [01:50] O_O [01:50] did you mount the cd? [01:50] .... [01:50] ............... [01:50] :P [01:50] installing now :) [01:50] xD [01:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:50] RaiCoss: pick Full Install [01:50] I did [01:50] RaiCoss: or you will get trouble [01:50] How would i do that in slack..like whats it called? [01:50] good! [01:50] 4.8 GB [01:50] lol [01:51] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-142-143.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:51] Wait, rai you went from ubuntu to slack? [01:51] Valk{Windows}: mount ? [01:51] RaiCoss: ah, since you only have CD1 it wont amount to that.. yet [01:51] wget done! [01:51] yeah [01:51] ya, but what [01:51] I thought rc.wireless is needed for wpa_supplicant though. And in the end, i thought they all tied together.?.?... [01:51] Valk{Windows}: you use the thingie, with the youknowwemean, through the whatisagain [01:51] mount /dev/sr0? [01:51] Valk{Windows}: mount /mnt/cdrom [01:51] Valk{Windows}: i suspect [01:51] Aight [01:51] e.o [01:51] Valk{Windows}: then it is probably in /mnt/cdrom/ afterwards [01:51] agentc0re: wicd takes care of wpa_supplicant, usually using wext [01:51] are you another Ubuntu hater? [01:51] No [01:51] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.34.231) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:51] i used ubuntu [01:51] but.. [01:51] lol kk [01:51] slack is dependancy hell.. [01:52] oh s*** [01:52] lol [01:52] Lmfao [01:52] Valk{Windows}: uhm, why didnt you just start up KDE hand have all this done for you? [01:52] macavity that was very fast [01:52] KDE == GAH! [01:52] spook: Ya but wpa_supplicant uses rc.wireless to function thought.. right? I've never used wicd, so i don't really know exactly how it works tbh. [01:52] ... [01:52] ... [01:52] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:52] is slack su or sudo? [01:52] agentc0re: nup. [01:52] Valk{Windows}: dont expect no gnome from Slackware [01:52] RaiCoss: su [01:52] RaiCoss, what i mean, is the package manager does not install dependancy [01:52] s [01:52] kk [01:52] you have to look for em [01:52] ugh [01:53] oh man xD [01:53] i see '{Windows}' in here and 'slack is dependency' hell. this is not a good sign. [01:53] RaiCoss: it has sudo onboard, but it is lagely unconfigured [01:53] Have fun ^^ [01:53] Valk{Windows}: good isn't itl. :) [01:53] agentc0re: wicd stores the settings in /etc/wicd/wireless-settings.conf [01:53] spook: nup almost sounds like a half answer between yup and nope.. :P [01:53] :P [01:53] I need Synaptic :( [01:53] God [01:53] ok [01:53] lol [01:53] so mount /mnt/cdrom? [01:53] did you try? [01:53] huh? [01:53] And yea, im on windows atm, cause i don have internet on mah slackbox yet [01:53] r.r [01:54] RaiCoss: you dont need synaptic [01:54] WIFI? [01:54] yup [01:54] ummm k spook [01:54] RaiCoss: whats your wireless card? [01:54] wpa_supplicant is apparetnly a big mystery :P [01:54] O_O [01:54] Ralink something [01:54] then why was synaptic created? :P [01:54] RaiCoss: then it will work out of the box [01:54] WN321-G [01:55] ok thanks [01:55] mount: cant find /mnt/cdrom in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [01:55] ok [01:55] mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom [01:55] try that [01:55] RaiCoss: if you're using slackware 13.0 X will use HAL to autodetect your input devices, including the touchpad [01:55] k [01:55] i need the disk in right? [01:55] I'm using a desktop [01:55] MBCRMBTA (n=mbcrmbta@66.30.169.37) joined ##slackware. [01:55] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@66.30.169.37' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:55] MBCRMBTA kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Error: minimum IQ level for channel entry not met. [01:55] Valk{Windows}: NO DONT PUT THE CDROM IN [01:55] Valk{Windows}: hello dingdong :P [01:55] lol [01:55] spook: please.. [01:56] rworkman: was that you? :P [01:56] macavity: you know it was. ;) [01:56] macavity: that ban, yes it was, last night. :P [01:56] haha that one is funny [01:56] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHo7We33v6I [01:56] oops [01:57] reinstalling x/ (not upgrade) [01:57] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:57] Valk{Windows}: Yes, you surely, positively do! [01:57] O_o...i do put it in right... [01:57] xD [01:57] good [01:57] im to tired to think [01:57] damn [01:57] ugh. [01:57] it is kinda hard to install someting from a DVD that is lying on your desk, dont you think? :P [01:58] Am I running on KDE or GNOME BTW? [01:58] macavity: unless its windows or OS/2 [01:58] RaiCoss: KDE or XFCE [01:58] RaiCoss: this is the land without gnomes [01:58] how do I choose? [01:58] RaiCoss: KDE, xfce, blackbox, fluxbox... [01:58] lol [01:58] RaiCoss: xwmconfig [01:58] after setup it asks you [01:58] that the cli command? [01:58] using xwmconfig [01:58] o ok [01:58] yes [01:58] or you just do it the old fashined way [01:59] set up your .xinitrc the way you like [01:59] I have no idea what that is :P [01:59] i thought you were using Arch?!? [01:59] lol no [01:59] Ubuntu [01:59] O_O [01:59] ok [01:59] welcome to hell [01:59] lmao [01:59] haha [01:59] that workee [01:59] LMAO [01:59] why did you think I was using Arch? [01:59] i dont know.. [01:59] i was using arch [01:59] <--- [02:00] ah [02:00] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [02:00] hello [02:00] lol [02:00] xD [02:00] adeodatus (i=1000@92.82.68.75) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] hi missyjane [02:00] Ok [02:00] i just figured it must have been the one of you who looked the smarter [02:00] Valk{Windows}: And you asked if the DVD needed to be inserted?!?!? [02:00] Valk{Windows}: arch is okay. but its no slackware [02:00] RaiCoss, why do you want to change for slackware ? [02:00] agentc0re, no sleep for 3 days [02:00] Valk{Windows}: cd /media/cdrom/extra/wicd [02:00] Thanks ^^ [02:00] already done [02:00] what do i do now =P [02:00] beause I want to get away from Ubuntu thom1 :) [02:00] later folks .. I am out. :) [02:00] installpkg wicd-*.txz [02:00] Action: BP{k} ^A^D's [02:00] RaiCoss, maybe try a diff one?.. [02:00] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:00] agentc0re: I tried just copying the .so file for flash on the laptop too and it still crashes. Would the 32bit compat stuff be worth a try or would a different version work? [02:00] BP{k}: Probably for the best. [02:00] night BP{k}, take care. [02:00] diff one? [02:01] distro? [02:01] Distro.. [02:01] i wanted it to show them running Slackware in Star Trek 11 [02:01] Valk{Windows}: that was for you... [02:01] RaiCoss, ok but why slackware ? [02:01] I have tried pretty much everything already except slack [02:01] Valk{Windows}: the installpkg part [02:01] fire|bird1: the slackbuild will can get the 64bit version [02:01] RaiCoss: be prepared to read [02:01] I donb;t mind [02:01] spook: yeah, I tried that, it crashes. [02:01] -b [02:01] RaiCoss: and be prepared that slackware does not do anything on your behalf [02:01] awwww [02:01] fire|bird1: Shit, thats a bummer dude.. I never had an issue when i copied the file manually. Maybe that's the only option left. Honestly i would email alienBOB and pat about it. [02:01] meaning? [02:02] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [02:02] that it wont give you a blow job unless you tell it to [02:02] Nick change: fire|bird1 -> fire|bird [02:02] lmao [02:02] RaiCoss, slackware is the only one distro where admin has absolute control [02:02] Cannot install wicd-*.txz: package does not end in .tgz [02:02] ok well I can build an ubuntu system from CLI [02:02] .. that also means that it wont attempt to give you a blow job while you are with you new potential GF [02:02] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs [02:02] will it be much harder than that? [02:02] powerthirst!! [02:02] agentc0re: Yeah, I could do that as well. [02:03] agentc0re: It's in both FF and konq that crash upon any site with flash on it. [02:03] RaiCoss: i dont know.. i have not used Debian deriatives since Debian Stable 2.0 [02:03] heh okkkk... [02:03] RaiCoss, i was only suggesting..im just saying..slack is harder than Arch in my opinion [02:03] 400 babies!!! [02:03] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Arch is a sinch now to me [02:03] Arch never worked for me agentc0re: 400? wow, I didn't know you were expecting. :P [02:03] O_o why? [02:03] dunno [02:04] Lol [02:04] black screen of death [02:04] and you gave up? [02:04] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk Powerthirst 2!!!! [02:04] yup [02:04] Valk{Windows}: you are having a really hard time convincing me that you have used Arch, yet you have no idea how to mount a reaking CD [02:04] LMAO! [02:04] RaiCoss: what package series are you up to? [02:04] cause you didnt do X -configure [02:04] fire|bird: watch the link(s) [02:04] fire|bird: :D [02:04] then copy the file to the X11 folder [02:04] =P [02:04] libccd [02:04] agentc0re: will do, :P [02:04] i did [02:04] RaiCoss: they went with KMS before it was ready [02:04] still bsod [02:04] x/ installed; kbd dead, moose dead [02:04] oh and when macavity uses dirty word he gets nothing but when i use it i get called an attention whore? :/ [02:04] RaiCoss: i think you might be beating me :P [02:04] ooo [02:04] Did you read the logs? [02:04] lol [02:04] RaiCoss: *dont* attempt to use KMS with slackware 13 without a kernel upgrade first [02:05] I have nvidia [02:05] <-- running slackware 12.2 [02:05] I don't care about KMS [02:05] Again.. [02:05] missyjane: that is because i have so much charm.. and a really nifty haricut ;-) [02:05] :( [02:05] lies [02:05] Cannot install wicd-*.txz: package does not end in .tgz [02:05] RaiCoss: i use it here.. it is the sweetest deal :-) [02:05] your bald [02:05] :P [02:06] Valk{Windows}: try tgz instead [02:06] Valk{Windows}: you are not on slackware 13 then [02:06] Nopr [02:06] like i said [02:06] slackaholic (i=1000@187-25-142-143.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [02:06] damn [02:06] 12.2 [02:06] missyjane: Something's rotten in Denmark! [02:06] agentc0re: hahahaha, "Kick her in the face with your ENERGY LEGS" :P [02:06] Valk{Windows}: wellcome to the land of the obsolete [02:06] wtf? [02:06] energy legs? [02:06] Valk{Windows}: installpkg wicd*.tgz [02:06] grazymax (n=grazymax@host204-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:06] RaiCoss: watch the links agentc0re posted [02:07] KK [02:07] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the fix? [02:07] K it installed [02:07] missyjane: btw, what dirty word did i just use? [02:07] blowjob [02:07] fire|bird: hahaha [02:07] i tried to open it but nothing happend [02:07] missyjane: where?! [02:07] missyjane: aahh :P [02:07] ima open it via term to see the error [02:07] missyjane: that was in refference to slackware.. not to me ;-) [02:07] lol [02:07] .... [02:07] Action: spook just made xp and vista look so similar visually, the only difference right now is the recycle bin icon is different [02:07] or not.. [02:07] fire|bird: Those vids are GREAT!! [02:08] Valk{Windows}: chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd [02:08] as root? [02:08] Valk{Windows}: /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd start [02:08] macavity, when i say dirty words, 99% of the time its not referencing to me either [02:08] Valk{Windows}: yes nimrod.. you dont get to fiddle system services as your regular user [02:08] =P [02:08] Actually [02:08] yes you can [02:08] xD [02:08] agentc0re: indeed they are. good finds. :P [02:08] well with sudo [02:09] which is suid root [02:09] so.. no [02:09] you dont [02:09] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [02:09] macavity: The word 'nimrod' means 'hunter'. [02:09] Action: toastytoast hangs his head in defeat [02:09] dickweed [02:09] wicd started [02:09] Lovecraft i think it tends more to rebellious rather than hunter [02:09] Valk{Windows}: now start some kind of GUI [02:09] hi all [02:09] Quiznos: Look it up. 'hunter'. [02:09] Valk{Windows}: eg, type startx [02:10] zlib... [02:10] Lovecraft that's the wrong word to lookup [02:10] but i want to startz [02:10] lol i was already in GUI [02:10] \P [02:10] =P** [02:10] grr gay ass keyboard [02:10] exit and enter [02:10] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [02:10] so then run wicd_gui [02:10] that's the easies way [02:10] i am [02:10] i think thats the right command [02:10] and its still rc.conf for daemons right? [02:10] toastytoast: wicd-client [02:10] just as in arch [02:11] no rc.conf [02:11] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@118.90.13.52) joined ##slackware. [02:11] you chmod them as you need [02:11] .... [02:11] Action: toastytoast hasn't used wicd in a while [02:11] +x makes them start at bootupt [02:11] is fluxbox available as the DE? [02:11] i want wicd to start at boot [02:11] oh.. [02:11] +x makes them star at boot? [02:11] RaiCoss: yes [02:11] k [02:11] Damn this is diff from arch [02:11] and my laptop is broke and unfixable so i prolyl wont be for a, little wihile [02:11] RaiCoss: fluxbox and blackbox are onboard in the default install [02:11] macavity: wow, i think you are on crack tonight.. you're doin good. :P [02:11] which xserver is slack using? [02:12] RaiCoss: X server. [02:12] 1.6.3 [02:12] Xorg [02:12] xorg [02:12] :P [02:12] k [02:12] toastytoast: its getting better all the time. just wait till version 2 [02:12] thnx [02:12] vpn + mobile internet support [02:12] RaiCoss: look in /var/log/packages/ for specific questions about mostly anything [02:12] Action: Valk{Windows} Waits for router page to open [02:12] well right now i need to worry bout getting money for a new laptop [02:12] kk [02:12] toastytoast: theres always prostitution [02:13] is there xvesa for slack? [02:13] RaiCoss: whats that? [02:13] lol [02:13] xvesa [02:13] right you apperently haven't seen pics of my i don't think i would do good on the streets [02:13] RaiCoss: Xorg running the vesa driver? [02:13] Damn, its taking forever!!!! [02:13] RaiCoss: whats that though? [02:13] vesa display driver? [02:13] no [02:13] lol [02:13] its an alternate to xorg [02:13] Valk{Windows}: then wait. [02:13] Valk{Windows}: have a beer [02:13] RaiCoss: no. [02:13] never had the router page take so long =P [02:13] it is not part of default slackware [02:13] ummm? [02:13] Valk{Windows}: watch a porn? [02:13] maybe you can get if off slackbuilds.org [02:14] agentc0re, 16 year old.. wish i had a beer..porn..not a bad idea =P [02:14] Valk{Windows}: you have the interwebs though.. porn is possible. [02:14] D: it feels like im on fscking dial up! [02:14] Valk{Windows}: awwww poor little kid [02:14] Valk{Windows}: if you are 16 years old then i have one word for you in regards of UNIX like systems: p-a-t-i-e-n-c-e [02:14] http://www.xfree86.org/current/Xvesa.1.html [02:14] RaiCoss: why do you need an alt to xorg? [02:14] xvesa [02:14] Action: spook is 21 and loving parts of it. [02:14] I was just curious [02:15] Oh i know patience, im saying that the router page to get the WEP code, is not loading very fast -.- [02:15] RaiCoss: what graphics card/chip do you have in that box? [02:15] GeForce 8800 GTS [02:15] Valk{Windows}: WEP [02:15] RaiCoss: xorg will work just fine for you. [02:15] Valk{Windows}: ? [02:15] I know [02:15] I was only curious [02:15] Valk{Windows}: you must be dying to lend you net to someone like me :P [02:15] RaiCoss: you dont need to setup anything, it does it all for you. [02:15] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [02:15] installing the driver? [02:15] or xorg setup? [02:16] moose? [02:16] RaiCoss: the xorg.conf [02:16] kk [02:16] thanks [02:16] mossical disrespect :) [02:16] moosical [02:16] it's preparing [02:16] definitely beating me. [02:16] mouse? [02:16] RaiCoss: what cpu and ram have you got? [02:16] yea [02:17] athlon x2 [02:17] 2GB ram ddr 2 800 [02:17] Heh [02:17] not my choice [02:17] my dads. [02:17] RaiCoss: ah, my vm is 1 cpu of my athlon x2, 2.2ghz and 512mb ram [02:17] Valk{Windows}: tell your dad that people break WEP in 90 secconds these days [02:18] Pfft, i can break it in 70 =P [02:18] oh the vm settings you mean? [02:18] Valk{Windows}: .. that is, if i have to use something slow like chopchop [02:18] he wants minimal security [02:18] RaiCoss: yeah. [02:18] why? [02:18] sorry [02:18] cause he thinks its easier [02:18] 2cores [02:18] AND [02:18] 1024 ram [02:18] he thinks that the satalite can acess the internet easier [02:18] i facepalmed [02:18] i really did [02:19] lol [02:19] too bad i am not your neighbour [02:19] its spelt facepalm.jpg [02:19] RaiCoss: i use the nvidia driver for my 8800 GT. [02:19] then i would have both free internet and TV [02:19] If you're visiting someone, and they're using WEP because they dont know, is it rude to tell them to use WPA? (and then maybe replace windows with slackware on their computers?) [02:19] Lol who cares [02:19] we get free satalite [02:19] <-- canadian [02:19] installed :D [02:19] so we basically steal it, but its not stealing [02:19] nooper: the first part is ok.. the seccond requires a long term commitment :P [02:20] cause its not available here [02:20] nooper: i havent had any problems doing that. [02:20] hm [02:20] lol it's stuck on setting UTC time T_T' [02:21] oooo [02:21] nvm [02:21] 598 seeders and 318 leechers on the DVD iso [02:21] RaiCoss: its fairly self explanatory from this point onwards [02:22] it hasn't asked me what GUI I want [02:22] :/ [02:22] RaiCoss: wait for it [02:22] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.95.174) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:22] lol [02:22] its in the queue [02:22] I'm logged in at root [02:22] but nothing [02:22] huh? [02:22] xwmconfig kde [02:22] kk [02:22] RaiCoss: no need to tell us the step by step process either. [02:23] so when i chmod +x'd the wicd daemon [02:23] doh [02:23] i made it start at boot? [02:23] xwmconfig [02:23] Valk{Windows}: yes [02:23] command not found [02:23] RaiCoss: ahh [02:23] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [02:23] RaiCoss: right [02:23] roccity_ (n=mrpresid@118.90.13.52) left ##slackware. [02:23] lol? [02:23] Valk{Windows}: run /etc/rc.d/rc.messagebus reload [02:23] RaiCoss: i forgot.. only CD1 :P [02:23] RaiCoss: No! you just aid you installed the nvidia driver, right? [02:23] RaiCoss: edit /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [02:23] do'eth >_< [02:24] RaiCoss: then slackpkg update [02:24] do I need to su install xorg or something? [02:24] RaiCoss: then lets start installing stuff :P [02:24] oh [02:24] no RaiCoss Be Root [02:24] yes.. but not that command for sure [02:24] how do I update again? [02:24] slackpkg update [02:24] once you have set a mirror [02:24] k [02:24] edit with nano? [02:24] that updates slackpkg's package list [02:24] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:24] and be root for all this [02:25] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:25] RaiCoss: vim /etc/slackpkg/mirros [02:25] will I need a text editor for this? [02:25] we dont need no stinking sudo crap [02:25] vim ok [02:25] or nano [02:25] or joe [02:25] lol [02:25] or emacs [02:25] or pico [02:25] you pick [02:25] just dont EVER ask which one is best, ok? [02:25] macavity: Eeeeeeeeemacs... [02:25] :P [02:25] joe [02:25] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [02:26] Action: macavity takes the chainsaw out [02:26] which mirror do I add? [02:26] agentc0re: ok.. let the editor wars start! [02:26] macavity: LOL [02:26] RaiCoss: you uncomment one [02:26] because agentc0re strikes me as the kind who will try to fuel a drama as much as possible (ie the "guess what $xyz said about $you" type), let me go on the record. [02:26] RaiCoss: where do you live? [02:26] RaiCoss nearest [02:26] on the heels of someone belittling some slack-noob (Raicoss was the victim), ViN told Raicoss to not worry as he was recently ridiculed as well about .tgz vs .txz. Not knowing more than this...I simply told ViN not to sweat it and said it was probably a small-timer. [02:26] got ya [02:26] they were hidden [02:27] mancha: let it rest [02:27] Aw shit... [02:27] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [02:27] Time for the test. [02:27] Action: Valk{Windows} Runs off to find flash [02:27] macavity, when you took the chainsaw out it reminded me of a sci-fi story i wrote [02:27] macavity, no thanks. i don't want to be incorrectly portrayed in my absence [02:27] mancha: macavity: ahh isn't this fitting as BP{k} has gone to bed.. nice! [02:27] holy shit my aironet AP has an uptime of 40weeks [02:27] Wait, couldent i just slapt-get flash? [02:27] mancha: ESAD please. [02:27] Valk{Windows}: dont swear please. [02:27] Sorry [02:28] Wait.. [02:28] :P [02:28] why am i still on winblows!??!!? [02:28] Valk{Windows} (n=Justin@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] LOL [02:28] haha [02:28] a classic [02:28] temporary failure in name resolution? [02:29] RaiCoss: you didnt get a DNS via dhcp? [02:29] macavity: noobfarm clasic though, that's the question. [02:29] macavity, i know too many people like agentcore..they wait for you to be gone and do their little "guess what he said" dance usually changing things around or adding their innuendo. these weak people need to be called on their shenanigans or else they continue [02:29] agentc0re: na [02:29] it would appear that something installed wipe out ~./bash_history [02:29] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] BAM! [02:29] Slack ish working! [02:29] <3 [02:29] mancha: whatever [02:29] guess not [02:29] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [02:30] RaiCoss: edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [02:30] shoulda used PlanB [02:30] what do I do? [02:30] er,w rong channel [02:30] RaiCoss: read the comments.. that file is SO self explaining [02:30] lol ¬_¬_ [02:30] oh man this channel is still screwed over. [02:30] brb [02:30] Nick change: ohhai -> deathmoniac [02:31] antiwire: Nah.. :P [02:31] antiwire: huh? [02:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("/"). [02:31] lol [02:31] rofl [02:31] and that is what you little girls get for being bitches [02:31] its empty [02:31] O_O [02:31] antiwire: dude.. i got a good link for ya. http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B36D258C0F246ED5 [02:32] shit.. [02:32] RaiCoss: did you just say that /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf is empty? [02:32] out of the following, which is most secure: TKIP, CKIP, CMIC, CKIP + CMIC, TKIP + WEP 128 bit, TKIP + WEP 40 bit? [02:32] yup [02:32] Action: valkyrie Yawns [02:32] i like slack [02:32] spook, thats a mix and match of stuff thats not too comparable [02:32] O_O [02:32] i need conky [02:32] xD [02:32] WEP is easy to crack, even at 128 bits [02:32] spook: they all suck.. [02:32] spook: AES with WPA or WPA2 [02:33] valkyrie: have a look at gkrellm [02:33] spook: WPA on TKIP can be hacked in 1 minute. [02:33] thats all i've got. [02:33] Already used it before.. [02:33] WPA2 is the preferred and in that i would suggest CCMP exchange, not TKIP [02:33] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:33] RaiCoss: then someting went horribly wrong [02:33] I guessed x] [02:33] What is the package manager for slack anyway? [02:33] slapt-get? [02:33] valkyrie: ....... [02:33] pkgtools [02:33] valkyrie: slackpkg [02:33] how do I reconfigure? [02:33] O_o [02:33] RaiCoss: you dont i suspect [02:33] RaiCoss: it is not a generated file [02:33] everything else is an enhancement on pkgtools, and uses pkgtools for doing everything package related. [02:33] it's junked? [02:34] valkyrie: stop trolling. i have seen you in here before, you should know. [02:34] RaiCoss: hang on.. [02:34] kk [02:34] uhhhm.. [02:35] this is the first time (besides a couple hours ago) i've been in here [02:35] O_O [02:35] RaiCoss: find network-scripts-13.0-noarch-2.tzx on the CD and reinstall it [02:36] i think i might need to upgrade the ios on the ap [02:36] valkyrie: pkgtool [02:36] RaiCoss: you may also run netconfig once you have dont that [02:36] so it's like /mount/disk0 or something? [02:36] how can I cancel a "set -e" ? [02:36] valkyrie: and on the side note, you know that there is an online log of ##slackware, right? [02:36] RaiCoss: i dont know [02:36] lol [02:36] RaiCoss: you're the virtual machine expert [02:36] what's the usual mounting point for the CDrom on slack/ [02:37] Yea [02:37] lols [02:37] And you can check [02:37] RaiCoss: unless you are running X you just mount it by hand [02:37] RaiCoss: /dev/sr0 is a good first try [02:37] RaiCoss: usually in /mnt/cdrom [02:37] valkyrie: i've seen your name before.. must have been someone else is all. [02:37] spook: does virtual machines emulate SATA or PATA? [02:37] macavity: depends. [02:37] it's on mnt/cdrom [02:38] thnx man :P [02:38] RaiCoss: upgradepgk --reinstall [02:38] where is the networks file on the disk [02:38] upgradepkg even [02:38] RaiCoss: good question [02:38] RaiCoss: i THINK it is in slackware/a/ [02:38] kk [02:39] RaiCoss: but find /mnt/cdrom -name what-you-need* ususally does the trick [02:39] no such folder as slackware/a/ [02:39] are you in /mnt/cdrom? [02:39] yea cd [02:40] is there anything in there? [02:40] ls dosent woek on slack [02:40] work* [02:40] whats the command? [02:40] O_O [02:40] if you dont have ls [02:40] then you system is FUBAR [02:40] lmfao [02:40] ls [02:40] totally and utterly [02:40] just returns ro #root :/ [02:40] what happens when you type "ls"? [02:41] to* [02:41] lol [02:41] so ls does work [02:41] lmao [02:41] you just didnt mount the cd [02:41] just nothing there [02:41] wait , LS or, IS... I looks like lower case L [02:41] oh fk [02:41] no I can cd to it [02:41] lulz [02:41] it's mounted [02:41] where? [02:41] ? [02:41] type mount to see [02:41] ygh [02:41] between the keyboard and the chair. :P [02:41] glitch [02:42] mount /dev/sr0 /mnt/cdrom/ [02:42] or something like that.. as suggested to you jsut a while ago [02:43] no such file or directory xD [02:43] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:43] i thought /dev/sr0 is on BSD [02:43] icarus_ (n=tits@unaffiliated/icarus-/x-7520418) joined ##slackware. [02:43] it is up to you to find out where the virtual machine thinks your cdrom drive is [02:44] dchmelik: my cdrom drive is /dev/sr0 [02:44] Same here. [02:44] i don't have a cd/dvd drive on my netbook but if you have a dvd inserted shouldn't you beable to do a fdisk -l and see the dev's listed and have your dvd/cd drive show up? [02:44] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) joined ##slackware. [02:44] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:44] dchmelik: and afaik all other sata drives are too.. and all otehr drives which the new libata layer handles [02:45] dchmelik: and all USB drives too [02:45] wtf it isn't on sdb or anything T_T' [02:45] Chapinha (i=0@201.53.196.77) left irc: Client Quit [02:46] RaiCoss: did you pay attention why it did the install by chance? [02:46] did you explain to your virtual machine that your regular cdrom drive should be pressented inside it? [02:46] it's a mounted ISO [02:46] s/why/when [02:46] RaiCoss: What VM software are you using? [02:47] virtual box [02:47] Action: spook giggles at presented [02:47] how do i list disk drives? [02:48] http://windows7sins.org/ [02:48] lulz [02:48] Gah~ [02:48] RaiCoss: fdist -l [02:48] "we mailed 499 of the Fortune 500 companies (we didnt think Microsoft would listen)..." [02:48] macavity: lol [02:48] nvm i got it [02:48] i did not know those were Tasmanian devil penguinbs [02:48] ls /mnt? [02:48] penguins [02:49] RaiCoss: whatever it is in your vm [02:49] RaiCoss: did you manage to mount it? [02:49] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] i forgot the command to save alsa settings :| [02:49] valkyrie: alsactl store [02:49] alsactl store [02:49] Umm nope [02:49] valkyrie: alsastore [02:49] agentc0re: fail [02:49] O.O [02:49] err what spook said. [02:49] it detects /mnt/cdrom [02:49] lol [02:49] but won't mount it [02:49] Done! [02:49] Yay [02:49] brb [02:49] /mnt/cdrom is just a dir [02:49] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "leaving" [02:49] 0____0 [02:50] i am so outta my depth [02:50] RaiCoss: can you copy paste the output of fdisk -l [02:50] ok [02:50] sorry [02:50] pastebin [02:50] dont paste in here [02:50] or slackboy will treat you to his boot [02:50] lol [02:50] it's just detecting the HDD [02:50] /dev/hda [02:51] right [02:51] /dev/hda1* [02:52] RaiCoss: you're asking for help right? macavity asked you to pastebin your fdisk -l results. you should probably do so. [02:52] I cant c&p from vbox [02:52] can someone with a fresh boot find an entry in dmesg that he can grep for? [02:52] macavity: sure [02:52] my kernelpost is no longer in dmesg because this machine never shuts down or boots [02:52] before you mount a disk you are supposed to install it [02:52] .. only suspends and resumes [02:53] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [02:53] hmmm [02:53] RaiCoss: nm, spook is on it [02:53] vbox doesn't list slack in the install options [02:53] I'm guessing this is why :( [02:53] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [02:53] umm k [02:53] thnx spook [02:53] macavity: what am i grepping? [02:53] RaiCoss: i am starting to get the idea that you should download the DVD and do a real install ;-) [02:53] blah [02:54] RaiCoss: no, it doesn't actually. [02:54] hmmm? [02:54] support slack? [02:54] spook: you are grepping for what device node a DVD or CDROM drive would end up having [02:54] nix_chix0r how's the diapers treating you? [02:54] spook: so RaiCoss can mount his CD [02:54] RaiCoss: It has nothing to do with it listing it in the "install" options. [02:54] shouldn't it automount the ISO drive? [02:54] macavity: hmm, giving my vm a cdrom to detect might help me thinks [02:54] It detected it for install so... [02:54] Rat409, not bad half the time i don't even know i'm doing it [02:55] cool,that's good then :) [02:55] RaiCoss: slackware doesnt automount.. some GUIs does, but slackware on its own does not [02:55] okkk [02:55] RaiCoss: hence we need to find out where that cdrom drive is located so you can get to mount the disc [02:56] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:56] how do I do that if fdisk won't show it? [02:56] the fdisk command was just someones idea [02:56] hmmm [02:56] k [02:57] but i still think that someting is broken [02:57] got it [02:57] otherwise /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf would not be empty [02:57] macavity: /dev/cdrom -> hdc /dev/cdrom0 -> hdc [02:57] wtf [02:57] why is it eating my words [02:58] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [02:58] take 3 /mount/cdrom [02:58] spook: dooh :P [02:58] RaiCoss: spook stated the obvious [02:58] lols [02:58] RaiCoss: edit /etc/fstab, uncomment the line with cdrom [02:58] RaiCoss: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom [02:58] /dev/cdrom [02:58] >_< [02:58] permission denied [02:58] then type "mount /mnt/cdrom" [02:58] xD [02:59] RaiCoss: you need to be root...... [02:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-251-92.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:59] I amn at root [02:59] -n [02:59] cd .. [02:59] I know [02:59] ! [02:59] my cat is being super nice to me because she thinks i have treats for her [02:59] fire|bird1 (n=fire|bir@173-18-61-117.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [02:59] nix_chix0r: catnip! [02:59] nix_chix0r: dont you just adore cats for their unconditional love? :P [02:59] nix_chix0r: if you were leading me on i'd be super nice to you too [03:00] o ffs [03:00] /dev/hdc [03:00] unknown device [03:00] well no she wants the ganja and i don't have any [03:00] RaiCoss: i give up [03:00] lmao [03:00] she's a bitch with out it [03:00] nix_chix0r: you smoke a bowl and don't give her any.. selfish! :P [03:00] nix_chix0r: you turned your cat into a weed addict? [03:00] nix_chix0r gots girl cooties. [03:00] macavity, she was like that when i got her. [03:01] and agentc0re i don't have any or i'd share it with her :( [03:01] everytime is /dev/hdc unknown device [03:01] T_T' [03:01] cause i don't like bitchy cats [03:01] RaiCoss: as i said.. i give up.. try a real install.. i have some expertise with that [03:01] cats are awesome... once you train them to use the toilet (got one doing it, working on another) [03:02] lol okkkkkk [03:02] nix_chix0r: you wouldnt smoke while breast feeding, right? [03:02] thnx for ya helps anyway :) [03:02] macavity: nooooo dooooont. [03:02] macavity: this will lead down the starting an argument path [03:02] spook: then you help him.. i dont even *know* what vbox *looks* like [03:03] macavity: no i dont want to help him either. [03:03] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-165-166.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [03:03] :P [03:03] lol... [03:03] i'm not breastfeeding [03:03] nix_chix0r: good [03:03] he's on food now [03:03] yeah thanks for that spook ¬¬ [03:03] macavity, if there is way for it to transfer into milk i wouldn't even consider [03:03] RaiCoss: spook doesnt have my sense of patience :P [03:04] i don't play around like that [03:04] good [03:04] ive seen babies that were born stoned [03:04] RaiCoss: you've received a lot of help. unfortunately you have pc from aliens that our current software doesn't recognize. Try time traveling to a few 100 years in the future. :P [03:04] i have patience, just not with people making things harder for themselves or people who dont listen to my suggestions when they are asking for help. [03:04] and breast fed with "ganja milk" [03:04] lmao [03:04] ugh [03:05] my cat is one thing man, but yeah a kid is another [03:05] i don't even smoke cigarettes around him [03:05] Ill just do an Ubuntu cli install and rebuild with KDE3 i think [03:05] if you like [03:05] cyaaaaaaaaaa [03:05] RaiCoss (n=RaiCoss_@92.0.241.213) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:06] i think he meant to emphases on the "A" more. [03:06] bye. [03:06] darkwurm_ (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:07] agentc0re: Na keyboard must have got stuck ;) [03:07] heh heh. [03:08] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: Connection timed out [03:08] nick fire|bird [03:08] whoops [03:08] lol [03:08] fail [03:08] Nick change: fire|bird1 -> fire|bird [03:08] haha [03:08] at least I didn't do that with the identify line with my password. :P [03:09] fire|bird: heh... i've done that once. [03:09] hahaha fire|bird true.. I always typed that in window 1 so no one would see if I did mess up. [03:09] lf4: I know I fail, stop reminding me already. :P [03:09] Action: macavity contemplates typesquatting nickserv [03:09] Nick change: macavity -> nicksera [03:09] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:09] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [03:09] I've been trying to get my graphics tablet working, the module isn't loading right. :/ [03:09] fire|bird: cant its my job. lol so how are you doing? [03:09] fire|bird: Once is enough to make me always msg nickserv help before i do anything. [03:10] now i just have to wait for someone to lose to the tab completion :P [03:10] lol. [03:10] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] lf4: doing excellent, thanks. you? [03:10] Nick change: nicksera -> macavity [03:10] fire|bird: Good to hear, I'm doing well thanks. [03:11] lol macavity can you tab complete nickserv? I don't think so. [03:11] lf4: Here, fix this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/e8GaHV22.html :P [03:11] lol guess you can wow [03:12] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [03:12] lol fire|bird you know me and my luck with X I'd make that mess worse. [03:12] lf4: hahaha [03:12] Action: agentc0re is off to bed.. nite all [03:12] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:12] what the heck is a wizardpen? [03:12] love you macavity :D [03:12] night agentc0re [03:13] lf4: the driver for my graphics tablet [03:13] night agentc0re [03:13] nite to the both of you too! [03:13] agentc0re: He loves you too, just not in the same way [03:13] :D [03:13] fire|bird: interesting [03:13] fire|bird: He does, just privately. :P [03:13] lol [03:13] haha i should also get some sleep been up all day for the most part. [03:13] if you know what i mean. [03:14] TMI agentc0re TMI [03:14] agentc0re: unless his gf is around, then you mean nothing. :P [03:14] btw, those knee pads need to be returned to him. [03:14] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [03:15] lf4: Bah.. you know you like it better than the book of mormon :P [03:15] hahaha [03:15] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [03:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:15] lol the book of agentc0re... now thats something that would give me nightmares. [03:15] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [03:15] lf4: you have no idea... no idea.. [03:15] haha [03:16] hmm [03:16] lf4: even worse would be "The secret life of agentc0re" [03:16] Ahh nooosss that should never be writen. [03:16] this sounds neat [03:16] isnt that "the book of moron"? [03:16] it is probably a hacking secret [03:17] lf4: From what I hear, already being published. :P [03:17] oh, i thought you said secret book [03:17] dchmelik: close your ears and open your eyes and read. ;) [03:17] lol well we know one person that would buy the book... *cough* dchmelik [03:17] macavity: :( [03:17] lf4: hahaha, he'd buy 2 copies in case he lost one. [03:18] agentc0re: in re to "the book of mormon" :P [03:18] macavity: Oh.. i thought in reply to the book of agentc0re :P [03:18] hahah [03:18] lol [03:18] i was replying to the one about agentc0re [03:18] Action: spook almost got macavity killed [03:18] shit we all live in idocracy.. [03:18] Action: macavity is the teflon cat [03:19] so at some point we're all guilty! [03:19] i forgot why daemons are called daemons [03:19] i fell more like being quilty [03:19] Action: lf4 is heading to bed. \o night everyone. [03:19] macavity: you mean the cat that doesn't stick when burnt? ;) [03:19] nite [03:19] night lf4 [03:19] lf4: lol i tried that 5 minutes ago.. see what happened? [03:19] goodnight, lf4 [03:19] agentc0re: i mean the cat so hot you can fry eggs on.. but also the cat noting sticks on [03:19] lf4: it's 1:20 our time.. [03:19] lol [03:20] haha agentc0re yeah i know we have a problem. [03:20] agentc0re: 02:19 here. :D [03:20] what about 'the cat in the hat comes back and shows you how to hack slack?' [03:20] fire|bird: time doesn't matter when you never sleep. [03:20] lol [03:20] fire|bird: slackware stats show that ya know. :P [03:20] Action: lf4 is pressing the monitor power button (maybe if I can see you guys type I'll actaully move from my desk). [03:20] agentc0re: hahaha, indeed they do. :P [03:20] the black hat cat who shows you the hack in slack [03:20] and overflows the stack [03:21] hahaha [03:21] lf4: HEY, who turned out the lights? :P [03:21] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.68.75) joined ##slackware. [03:21] the ass|hat who proves other wise. :P [03:21] lol [03:21] otherwise or others wise? [03:22] to fire|bird's comment (i know he had to have said something...) :P night hahaah [03:22] hahahaha [03:22] /whoiam english_teacher [03:22] aint looks liker it. :P [03:23] agent|english_teacher? [03:23] Guest4835 (i=1000@rb5bk5.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [03:23] hello [03:23] hello [03:23] hello [03:23] how do i dissable these god damn comments in konsole [03:23] hola! [03:23] ? [03:23] hahaha [03:23] good ol fortune [03:23] :( [03:23] _The Cat in The Hat Comes Back And Shows You How To Hack Slack by Overflowing The Stack And Doing a Code Injection Attack_ [03:24] im sorry but they annoy the living shit out of me [03:24] :P [03:24] Guest4835: chmod -x /etc/profile.d/bsd-games-login-fortune.sh [03:24] thanks mate [03:24] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:24] yw [03:24] those should never be disabled. [03:24] now go read all the files in /etc/profile.d/ so you understand what is going on in there [03:24] agentc0re: seriously, fortunes are annoying :P [03:24] I find them entertaining. :) [03:25] you always forget what you were about to do [03:25] there are some important sayings in there [03:25] i wish they'd show on all my windows machines as everyone logged in. [03:25] *especially* if you get a dirty limeric [03:25] Action: agentc0re hates his users. [03:25] macavity lol they are [03:25] agentc0re: Isn't there a Windows app that can do that? [03:25] the web of life directing me towards what i should be doing. [03:25] put a webcam on your windows machines and see what the users do when they get a dirty limerick [03:25] GOOD RIDENS they are gone [03:26] dchmelik: oh, i just saw your rhyme now.. that is not bad at all! [03:26] Action: macavity makes note [03:26] thank god [03:26] :D [03:26] you can call me mancha [03:26] eek [03:26] praise the lod [03:26] fire|bird: probably.. but it would require more work than it's worth like everything else. [03:26] you can call me macavity [03:26] Action: macavity got pwned by tab completion *again* [03:26] no need to call me god at least :P [03:26] lol [03:26] macavity: shit.. i was about to say.. call me an asshole. [03:26] agentc0re: Just make each machine pop up with a pic of you and a message of "I'M WATCHING YOU" [03:27] fire|bird: can i add, "in the bathroom" to that too :P [03:27] s/agentc0re/uncle|sam/ ? [03:27] agentc0re: sure, why not. [03:27] fire|bird: lol [03:27] Guest4835: now, go get yourself a proper nick, and start reading www.slackbook.org [03:27] i'm going to duct tape a fiber cable to the toilet seat then :P [03:28] lol [03:28] just to scare the crap outa people. [03:28] hahaha [03:28] a principal where one of my older family members was a teacher said to the students in a sermon (in UK schools) 'God is watching you: even on the toilet.' [03:28] ICUP [03:28] tape webcams in each of the stalls with the cord leading off to nowhere. [03:28] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) joined ##slackware. [03:28] dchmelik: to which the bright students reply "yup.. but he doesnt tell anyone" [03:29] .. No no no.. you see.. CUP's is a printing program.... i am sorry you miss understood my email. *sinker. [03:29] haha [03:29] macavity, that is about all i heard... they were pretty young studends and probably did not say anything [03:29] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [03:30] Ugh, my tablet isn't even showing up as a module, can't modprobe or nothing. :/ [03:30] i think this whole crap about haveing an external sense of contiense is totally crap [03:30] fire|bird: "modprobe tablet" probably wont work, no :P [03:30] fire|bird, did you not dmesg it? [03:30] macavity: of course not [03:30] i think i'd shoot myself if i saw 99.9% of our opposite gender employee's naked in any fashion. [03:31] theres a lot of large women at my work that i can say i wouldn't want to see naked even with beer goggles [03:31] agentc0re: you dont have an allowance of 30% hot chicks? [03:31] dchmelik: yeah, it doesn't give anything useful about it. I pasted what's in the xorg log above. :) [03:31] anyone here work on open source financial apps? [03:31] nix_chix0r: same. most are obese. [03:31] nix_chix0r: please keep in mind i work for a Heart Clinic... [03:31] Action: Guest4835 is wondering [03:31] not to mention some are old the rest are young and obese [03:31] i do not see the xorg log [03:32] HEART.. [03:32] agentc0re: Do you have the power to fire and hire? :P [03:32] ah, right.. you guys live in the US [03:32] fire|bird: i wish. [03:32] phat people all over the place, right? [03:32] fire|bird: if i did though.. i think we'd be in trouble. [03:32] lol i wish to [03:32] agentc0re, ahahahaha [03:32] i am being harrased by this whore at work who want to impress the boss [03:32] :( [03:32] id love to make that bitch eat her teeth [03:32] agentc0re: haha, it'd be just you, sitting at a desk, think "OMG, what have I done" [03:32] s/think/thinking [03:33] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:33] agentc0re: and in that case, there wouldn't be a we'd, it'd be I'd :P [03:34] dchmelik: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/e8GaHV22.html [03:34] macavity: PHAT... that implies pretty hot and tempting.. I'd rather think of it as just killing myself before considering the option. [03:34] agentc0re: oh.. i was more thinking like: http://www.stupidcollege.com/Images/Europe_Vs_USA.jpg [03:34] fire|bird, did you type in that it should use a 'wizardpen' driver? [03:35] macavity: I mean, we refer to one of the MA's as Koolaide because she looks like red fruitpunch. [03:35] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.68.75) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:35] i just think it's hillarious that you have some fat bitch counseling you about your slothful life style like smoking, or drinking [03:35] dchmelik: yeah, It's all setup in xorg, etc. [03:35] ya know, in her scrubs.. [03:35] nix_chix0r: Ya, isn't it... [03:35] nix hehe [03:35] fire|bird, maybe the name should be different [03:35] i love fat bitches [03:36] i find them highly erotic [03:36] nix_chix0r: we live on the second floor of our building... and 99% of our employees take the elevator. [03:36] i had this nurse take my blood pressure and she's like oh, i'll take 5 pounds off your weight because you have clothes on. and then she goes. oh you smoke. are you interested in quitting and i said not right now. [03:36] WTF..?!? [03:36] dchmelik: yeah, I'm nut sure, it's worked before, I just was setting it up again today and that's what I get. :P [03:36] Action: brbrbr greeting all [03:36] wanted to say, are you sure you wana shovel in 8 more big macs and a diet coke? [03:36] Guest4835: good.. then there are more of my taste for me ;-) [03:36] nix_chix0r: you should have. [03:37] macavity: eurpoe +1, usa 0 [03:37] agentc0re: again, not an english teacher in you ;-) [03:37] agentc0re: more like usa -1 [03:37] our night superivsor eats at mcdonalds every day and gets a large sweet tea, that angus burger with bacon, and large fry lol [03:38] actually the one on the image in question has a skinny booty [03:38] and then she goes on and tells me about her kids how she makes them fill up on bread during the day so they don't eat her out of house and home [03:38] O_O [03:38] fire|bird: bah.. depends on your math. [03:38] nix_chix0r: please tell me you dont listen to anything she says [03:38] macavity: how so now? where did i fsck up now? [03:39] agentc0re: "eurpoe" [03:39] macavity, no i normally tune her out [03:39] hahaha [03:39] :P [03:39] nix_chix0r: startch is bad in general [03:39] fire|bird, it might depend on which of the several programs you use to set up X [03:39] macavity: Well, eurpoe could = your poe? :P [03:39] dchmelik: editing xorg.conf myself. [03:39] macavity: i blame pidgin :P [03:39] nix_chix0r: potatoes, bread, rice and pasta should be kept to a minimum [03:40] i agree [03:40] agentc0re: c'mon, pidgin spell checks for gosh sake. [03:40] and if grain is used at all, at least make sure it is whole grain [03:40] fire|bird: not for "eurpoe" :P .. oh wait.. it does. [03:40] shit! [03:40] ;) [03:40] agentc0re: hahaha, [03:40] lulz [03:41] i should be eating more calories than i do through out the day but i dont get more than 900 in a day and i work out 3 x a week. but i'm never starving always eatin somethin [03:41] agentc0re: What do you need it to do, pop up and say "Hey you idiot, you spelled ANOTHER word wrong." [03:41] macavity: you know i posted that awesome fail pic you made for me on my site..... you know in case you need to use it again.... on me.. or remind me.. or someone else for that matter. :P [03:42] fire|bird: No, it auto corrects it to be wrong because usa is "always" write :P [03:42] lol [03:42] Action: agentc0re did that on purpose [03:43] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.167) joined ##slackware. [03:43] agentc0re: Also, if you install the plugin pack, there's a Text Replacement plugin that auto-corrects comman spelling errors. [03:43] common [03:43] :P [03:43] I guess he doesn't use said plugin pack. [03:43] yup, your just a common man. :P [03:43] agentc0re: i made? [03:44] agentc0re: a lolcat? [03:44] agentc0re: link? [03:44] macavity: yup. [03:44] macavity: http://learnix.net [03:44] it's a few down [03:44] .. but latest post will bring some humor. [03:45] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:45] aaah.. the failburger! :-) [03:45] i have moose and nowire moose here; nowire is primary; what's the x11 fix? [03:45] macavity: Heh, yup! [03:45] darkwurm__ (n=dw@75-93-1-171.eug.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] Action: macavity is lulzing his tail off [03:45] hahah [03:45] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.68.75) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Action: spook puzzles over why cups comes up as an option when you type firefox in the kde start menu [03:46] "today i failed at failing" :P [03:46] lol [03:46] Okay, i swear, i'm really leaving now. [03:46] see ya agentc0re, take care. [03:47] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.68.75) left irc: Client Quit [03:47] latarz [03:47] fire|bird: what is a lolcat? [03:47] kitteh [03:48] A lolcat is an image combining a photograph, most frequently of a cat, with a humorous and idiosyncratic caption in (often) broken English [03:48] nom nom nom nom [03:48] this must be some new thing [03:48] no, not new at all really. [03:48] i can haz stdio? [03:48] been around for a while [03:49] Karu (n=alch@78-28-98-202.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [03:49] quasar i can has open source financial apps [03:49] ? [03:49] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [03:49] anyone know if there is a group or something that devote time to make financial open source apps? [03:49] Action: Tux|Jedi kidnaps fire|bird [03:50] I want 13 dollars and a banana! [03:50] Guest4835: http://icanhascheezburger.com/2008/03/05/funny-pictures-oh-hell-no/ [03:50] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:50] Guest4835: There's kmymoney, homebank, eqonomize, gnucash, etc. [03:50] Tux|Jedi: I'm broke and haz no banana's. [03:50] fire|bird thanks mate ill check it [03:51] fire|bird: lies! [03:51] powtr|x (n=powtrix@189-69-16-134.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:51] it seems these are real apps [03:51] accounting... [03:51] Tux|Jedi: I do not lie :D [03:52] money management [03:52] interesting [03:52] fire|bird: ok, 6.5 dollars but I still want a full banana! [03:52] What is it with the "|" in people's nicks now, did I make that popular? :P [03:52] fire|bird: maybe [03:52] Nick change: quasar -> qua|sar [03:52] hahaha [03:52] gnucash seems to be the most interesting one of the bunch [03:52] fire|bird: I changed because of slackytude actually ;) [03:53] i wonder if there is a slackbuild for gnucas [03:53] Tux|Jedi is now known as Gay|Zar :O [03:53] cash* [03:53] likely :) [03:53] Guest4835: yes, slackbuilds.org [03:53] Nick change: qua|sar -> quasar [03:53] fire|bird: go /j #gaygeeks [03:53] Tux|Jedi: You would know about that one, wouldn't you. :D [03:53] i wana join that chan [03:53] fire|bird: I created the channel -_- [03:53] nix_chix0r: ^^ [03:54] i can't join:( [03:54] quasar, some of the comments on that site are like wtf [03:54] Tux|Jedi: yeah, I figured so. [03:54] deathmoniac (n=eva00@200-103-149-110.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:54] greetings, again, dive. :) [03:55] morning again [03:55] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:55] dive: icanhazcheezburger? I agree, I can only read the first couple before I start beating my head on the screen wishing the cats would claw my eyes out [03:56] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@66.30.169.37 expired. [03:56] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@66.30.169.37' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:56] Tux|Jedi, i joined! [03:56] when i typed 'cat -l Slackware-HOWTO' one sentence said 'You can haz these on Internet http://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO directory.' [03:58] i am such a sucka for lolcats [03:58] cats are cute as hell [03:58] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Connection timed out [03:58] im a sucker for cats as well [03:59] my cat has made a slave out of me [03:59] :( [04:00] deathmoniac (n=eva00@200-103-149-150.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:00] maybe you should give it what nix_chix0r gives hers [04:00] lul [04:01] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:01] and what might dat be? [04:02] wxcam hate me [04:02] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [04:02] or did the cat take it without permission? [04:02] no i blow it at her or she would probally piss on something [04:03] she's probally wants it more than myself [04:03] "cat" and "permission" does not go in the same sentense as "take" :P [04:03] it says mjpegtools isn't installed even tho i jsut isntalled it [04:03] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [04:05] looking int he wrong place or for different version? [04:06] i'm not sure i dled the source compiled and installed it then when i go to intall wxcam says mjpeg package not found [04:06] well when i run ./configure [04:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCODE [04:07] is there a flag tospecify the location? [04:07] I CAN HAZ VAR? [04:08] GIMMEH VAR [04:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-20-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:09] Nick change: powtr|x -> powtrix [04:09] LOL VAR R 3.141592653597 [04:11] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4E51.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:11] hi guys [04:11] how can i force the sync rate higher in xorg.conf and leave the rest autodetect? [04:13] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [04:14] HorizSync Low-High [04:14] hi, how do i get dvd playback working in xine [04:14] or therebaouts [04:14] oh man.. i think i should make a lolcode compiler [04:14] jekkt: dont pm me without asking. [04:15] first of, it should not be "HAI".. it should naturally be "OH HAI" [04:15] datou (n=datou@124.205.137.170) joined ##slackware. [04:15] macavity: theres already numerous interpreters and compilers [04:15] and a standardisation of the language [04:15] jekkt: this isnt something just here, this is universal ettique [04:16] jekkt: STOP FUCKING PMING ME. [04:16] Morning all [04:16] ize speeshul kitteh! i can haz teh 1337 langague dialekt! [04:16] morning Zordrak [04:16] hi guys i write in us keyboard , i got a german keyboard on my console but when i start x i got a us keyboard how can i chance this? [04:17] jekkt: edit xorg.conf, or use your DE to change the keyboard [04:17] jekkt: edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf that is [04:18] jekkt, change XkbLayout [04:18] I'm sucking it up and making a blog.. I'm sick of not having anywhere to put stuff, and having to register for every forum/blog on the planet if I want to make information available... soooo....... does anyone have anything to say about WordPress security? Seems like it's the canonical choice.. but also seems to be PHPbb-like in its security.. [04:18] in the file mentioned earlier [04:18] Action: toastytoast gives up for now [04:18] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [04:19] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.152.196) joined ##slackware. [04:19] the dudes who are making lolcode are dim lit.. it is not "yr" but "ur" [04:20] jekkt: Copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi and change "us" to "de" [04:21] manitou (n=manitou@3e6b8fa1.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [04:21] Well, time to get going. Later guys, take care. [04:21] l8r [04:21] !eeepc [04:21] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware (""Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.""). [04:21] !help [04:21] toasty, what version mjpegtools did you get and how did you install it? [04:21] macavity: http://www.lolcatbible.com/ [04:22] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.25.233) joined ##slackware. [04:22] mancha: we dont have that kind of bots [04:22] ok [04:22] i got the latest 1.9.0 from sourcefourge did ./configure -prefix /usr/lib/ no problems the make and make install [04:23] toasty, try adding --with-x and --disable-static [04:23] ok give me a minute [04:23] (for mjpegtools) [04:24] where is the global bashrc in slackware? [04:24] /etc [04:24] Hi, I am having a strange problem that my laptop gets hanged and the sound if playing something gets hanged and its happening a lot...any help? [04:24] need help with eeepc 901 install ! any links that can help me !? (need xfce )( and on 4 GB sdd !) [04:24] siimo: if you want to globally export something look at profile.d [04:24] hi macavity , i got this line # Option "XkbLayout" "de" what i have to chance here? [04:24] manitou: you can lvm the two drives. [04:24] i want to get bash completion working [04:25] manitou: making one huge disk :) [04:25] mancha: /etc/bashrc is just the canonical place for one that you source in .bashrc or .bash_profile iirc [04:25] justr creating one does nothing [04:25] jekkt: Do you not listen? [04:25] spook: one is fast and other is slow :( [04:25] i didn't say /etc/bashrc [04:25] manitou: hmmm? does it really matter? [04:25] jekkt: Copy /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi to /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi and change "us" to "de" [04:25] mancha: nmt [04:25] manitou: try googling for "alienBOB slackware eeepc" [04:26] yes ! spook [04:26] macavity: or talk to the resident slackware eeepc expert. [04:26] ok thx [04:26] ohrite [04:27] manitou: maybe u culd take da talks wif ze spook as rumar haz it dat he iz the awsum eeepc haxor, kkthxbai [04:27] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:27] no still get [04:27] No package 'mjpegtools' found [04:28] manitou: whats not working? [04:28] and i'm rlly tired atm as well whic prolly sin't helping much [04:28] you do configure; make; make install right? [04:28] yes [04:28] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: "Leaving." [04:28] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [04:28] then an ldconfig jsut to be sure [04:29] well you have a few flags, might as well add, --libdir=/usr/lib as it seems to not be finding libs [04:29] Zordrak, i cannot find the share folder [04:29] so you should have pref,lib,x,static as far as mjpeg config flags, by my count. [04:30] spook: default install is 4 gb , and my fast ssd 4 gb , no place for install , i need (not minimal install) smaler full distro ! what i trow out ? [04:30] i haz teh fresh cofees, whowans? [04:30] docs? [04:30] manitou: what model did you say you had? 901? [04:30] emacs is another space saver unless you like emacs [04:31] yes 901 4+16 GB spook [04:31] thats the 901LIN, exact same as mine, and the two drives are the same size. i have both drives lvm together, and have no problems. [04:31] same speed rather [04:33] spook: i tryed some distros to install on 16 GB and slow like hell ! i vill try lvm them ! [04:33] manitou: lvm isnt a distrobution. [04:33] thx spook ! are you run 13 ? [04:33] yes. [04:33] :) i know ! [04:33] have a look at README_LVM.TXT [04:34] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.123) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:34] it'll answer 99% of your questions about "HOW DOZ I LVMZ?" [04:34] yes THX for time spook ! i get here if i get problems ! [04:35] sure. [04:35] jekkt: what version of slackware? [04:35] 13 [04:35] then it's there [04:35] Guest4835 (i=1000@rb5bk5.net.upc.cz) left irc: "leaving" [04:36] heh.. flex is just to tool for a lol2c compiler :P [04:36] jekkt: mkdir -p /etc/hal/fdi/policy/; cp /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-keymap.fdi /etc/hal/fdi/policy/10-keymap.fdi [04:36] can has all SlackBuilds 64-bit? [04:37] dchmelik: they should be.. any that aren't, ping the maintainer [04:37] toastytoast still here or did you throw in the towel? [04:38] idea, slackware kde themes/wallpaper for inclusion with slackware [04:38] hrmm, anyone playing with ext4, from my reads of several lists it seems to still be a bit unstable... [04:38] macavity: works fine for me [04:38] mancha: its not unstable [04:39] spook: what works for you? [04:39] i think i got it to work [04:39] mancha: data loss is possible IF the application has not been written correctly because ext3 allowed you to take shortcuts that cause problems on ext4.. by now ALL developers should have bucked up their code [04:39] macavity: tab missed [04:39] mancha: works fine for me on numerous machines [04:39] Action: macavity haz teh confus [04:40] aah [04:40] macavity: mancha v close in the tabage [04:40] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.152.196) left irc: "Leaving" [04:40] ize gets it naow [04:40] ah ok, so it was a userland issue (or is) and not an underlying fs issue [04:40] bingo [04:41] Action: Zordrak hands out balloons [04:41] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "gotta go. bb all :)" [04:41] except not in slackware. :) [04:41] hmmm... Trojan balloons? [04:41] ah well [04:42] Zordrak, now restart x ? [04:42] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [04:42] spook: re, themes: i think they have to be nothing short of Awsum(TM) to get Pat to include them.. and they should have long term commitment [04:42] Zordrak, i was under the impression that delayed allocation was a source of potential data loss and was a serious issue if you have a crash (power interruption or otherwise) [04:43] macavity: i was just looking at themes, and theres numerous distrobution themed ones, especially login manager themes :) [04:43] which you don't have on ext3 as you don't clear before, so at least you have your last sync'd [04:43] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@87.15.37.127) joined ##slackware. [04:44] datou (n=datou@124.205.137.170) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [04:44] jekkt: yes [04:44] I love the slack kdm theme Im running.. but cant remember exactly where I got it [04:45] Zordrak: whats it called? [04:45] spook: we should have one that looks nearly identical in GTK and Qt [04:45] spook: and preferably one that looks close to the same in XDM and KDM [04:45] and theres a wallpaper that rools.. but again, i dont know who created it and cant get a 1600x1200 ver (moonlit swamp with: Slackware, because it just works.. or something similar) [04:46] macavity: something less ugly as the default theme for xdm might be good :) [04:46] i like my wallpaper [04:46] spook: GloxySlack-kdm [04:47] i think i had to tweak it for 1600 tho.. bad ratio [04:47] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4E51.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:48] thing is.. if pat did include a theme.. itd be based on the new logo (urgh!) [04:48] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [04:48] whats wrong with the newest logo? [04:49] ive honestly tried.. i just dont like it [04:49] http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/5606/slacklinux.jpg [04:49] its only 1280x1024 but it doesn't look to bad at 2048x2536 [04:49] I prefer the proper, classic [04:49] | Slackware [04:49] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:49] -------linux [04:50] thats the current one? [04:50] spook: no [04:50] the one that reads the same either way up [04:50] lunarvalleys (n=lunarval@dyn3-82-128-187-91.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:51] that was a joke [04:51] uh.. [04:51] http://cafepress.com/volkerdi [04:51] as evidence, i provide the lilo splash image, and slackware.com [04:51] ah those things [04:52] i can remeber what they are called but [04:52] i first saw them in angels and demons the book [04:52] not palimdrones [04:52] spook: i think pat reverted those out of pressure.. but he still likes the new logo [04:52] and still considers it an official one i think [04:52] Zordrak: email him and ask? [04:53] i did email him two days ago about trying to find a proper original logo t-shirt shipped from the uk [04:53] the only opnes he has through cafepress are that one i just pasted and another one that looks like: [04:53] | Slackware [04:53] -----classic [04:54] Zordrak: that theme is a broken link on all the sites i've tried to get it from so far. [04:55] dont support you could email me it? [04:55] lulz.. in lolcode a string is called a yarn :P [04:56] urgh.. how to attach from cmd line? [04:56] mail-files didnt work last time i tried it [04:57] giuppy (n=giuppy@host54-160-dynamic.3-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:57] spook: address? [04:57] Zordrak, nice link [04:57] i think I need to buy some things [04:58] in fact/win 14 [04:58] damnit [04:58] Zordrak: i pmed it to you [04:58] juice: dont get the new logo.. get the old one [04:58] yeah.. that was the failed attempt to switch to window 14 [04:58] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:58] :) [04:59] http://cafepress.com/slackclassic is the other one [04:59] Nick change: Tux|Jedi -> Camarade_Tux [04:59] but there is no cafepress one with the *original* logo [05:00] can only get that fropm store.slackware.com [05:00] Zordrak: that one is official too ? [05:00] but that $15 just for slow shipping to UK [05:00] Zordrak: its a puzzle, i need to figure out what the file is now :) [05:00] file? [05:00] that i mailed? [05:00] Zordrak: yeah, shipping is horrible [05:00] unnamed 1.5mb [05:00] sorry.. thats mail-files for you [05:01] tis k :) [05:01] was called: GloxySlack-kdm.txz [05:02] spook: that's one hell of an About Us page ;) [05:02] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.35) joined ##slackware. [05:02] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [05:02] Zordrak: its a work in progress, though its been in progress for over a year [05:03] heh [05:03] more progress reqd :) [05:03] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. 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[05:07] Ok.. so.. back to the original reason I came in here on a Sunday morning.. (/me goes back up his irssi history) [05:07] I'm sucking it up and making a blog.. I'm sick of not having anywhere to put stuff, and having to register for every forum/blog on the planet if I want to make information available... soooo....... does anyone have anything to say about WordPress security? Seems like it's the canonical choice.. but also seems to be PHPbb-like in its security.. [05:07] macavity: think so [05:08] Zordrak: how do i install this? [05:08] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:08] lem (n=root@86.81.102.210) left ##slackware. [05:08] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:09] ghetto (n=ghetto@88.226.152.29) joined ##slackware. [05:09] spook: extract into /usr/share/apps/kdm/themes [05:09] then mod the Themes line in /etc/kde/kdm/kdmrc [05:09] roger. [05:10] Action: Zordrak pokes Dominian in the eye for not being awake [05:10] thanks [05:11] it looks like lolcode is dead: http://lolcode.com/specs/1.2 [05:11] 12th of july 2007 [05:12] giuppy (n=giuppy@host127-37-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:12] Action: macavity gets to work on it [05:12] macavity: essoteric languages rarely last long [05:12] macavity: http://lolcode.com/implementations/implementations [05:13] anyone got link to libdvdvss for 13.0 [05:13] slackbuild on sbo [05:13] slackbuilds.org [05:13] spook: it is not a real lanuage untill there are two competing dialects ;-) [05:14] spook: the fact that they use YR over UR for "your" is a clear sign that this needs a fork [05:14] spook: and the dynamic typing haz to go! [05:14] heh [05:14] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [05:14] especially since static typing will let me use flex to do a direct translation into C [05:15] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@87.15.37.127) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [05:15] one of the implementations compiles it into assembler [05:15] perhaps i should learn the gcc IR and target that :P [05:15] macavity: think you need some sleep [05:15] then i could run llvm on my code and have it optimized for free [05:16] macavity: unless you're drunk ^^ [05:16] Camarade_Tux: why? i have only been up for like 10 hours [05:16] macavity: if you want to learn gcc (IR), something must be wrong ;) [05:16] IR = Internal Representation [05:17] I know ;) [05:17] gcc tokenizes the language into an internal representation that it then does optimization on, then turns into assembler code, then feeds to gasm [05:17] but I think it's almost foolish :P [05:17] rignes (n=rignes@216.164.160.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:17] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.68.242.91) joined ##slackware. [05:17] not really.. it is a great way to learn [05:17] a bit dirty [05:18] and I'm not sure you need that to use llvm [05:18] giuppy (n=giuppy@host127-37-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:18] oh, just for the hell of it [05:18] yeah, had guessed so ;) [05:18] then i can have both a jit and a native compiler [05:19] both heavily optimized [05:19] you should make a vm in C to make it more portable -_- [05:19] it would be fun to make a fully fledged GCC frontend [05:19] but I think you want to make your own architecture to run lolcode natively -_- [05:20] Action: Camarade_Tux really thinks macavity must be drunk [05:20] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [05:20] naaa teh POSIXKITTEH iz da sum of all dat iz gut! [05:20] thanks [05:21] slackbuilds is cool [05:21] dis lolkitteh iz 2 awsum to target broken windoes! [05:21] ghetto (n=ghetto@88.226.152.29) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:21] siimo: sbopkg.org for the win! [05:21] siimo: it is a frontend just like slackpkg, but for slackbuilds.org [05:22] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:23] ALL software that provides download links that do not behave as expected in wget should be TORN APART! [05:23] Zordrak: it needs the userlist added, which i'm doing right now. [05:23] spook: ewww userlists [05:23] Zordrak: namely sourceforge. [05:24] Zordrak: the default theme has one. i'm trying to whip something up to replace it [05:24] & wordpress... in FF http://wordpress.com/latest.tar.gz renames to the current version.. in wget it just comes down as latest.tar.gz [05:24] spook: userlists are bad [05:24] and evil [05:24] sorry.. ebil [05:24] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [05:25] does HTTP support symlinks? [05:25] if you dont nknow your username .. or cant spell it, or are too lazy to type it you should not be logging in [05:25] aka, are redirects uservisible? [05:25] if that is the case, then wget is the one to blame [05:25] *nod* [05:25] macavity: wget has support for following redirects, but you have to use the switch to enable it [05:25] redirects are a 302 [05:25] spook: ok [05:26] but in the above case, you still get the file, right? [05:26] with the wrong name. [05:26] now i am confused.. it follows the redirect, but it uses the original name? [05:27] yes [05:27] pprkut: I should try to get the touchpad probem reproduced but I'm likely to just put my computer in sleep mode ;) [05:27] ah, yes.. because wget is a web copy tool [05:27] so, if it didnt, the link would be broken [05:27] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:28] it's a 301 [05:28] 301 is moved permanently [05:28] 302 is moved temporarily [05:28] i just did a telnet get from WP and it's a 301 [05:29] ew.. LiteSpeed server [05:30] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.35) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] ffs.. the DL is corrupt [05:30] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.149.60) joined ##slackware. [05:31] morning [05:31] ello [05:32] If there is one thing I cannot frigging STAND it's people who provide Windows support and then tack on linux support as an afterthought.. either you support it or you dont you shitstabbers! [05:32] lol. [05:32] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.97) left irc: "Leaving." [05:32] wget just doesnt work on the link [05:33] the dl is b0rked.. you have to manually input the real filename [05:33] its probally the lack of standards compliance on the web server [05:33] Urge to kill rising... rising... [05:33] the zip extracts to a versionless dirname [05:33] just "wordpress" [05:33] not wordpress-2.8.4 [05:36] alphad_ (n=quassel@41.207.31.109) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:37] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.109) joined ##slackware. [05:39] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [05:40] grouper (n=grouper@ip68-105-173-2.ga.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:41] can anyone remember who it was that was looking for a command line id3v2.3 tool? [05:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [05:41] we were discussing id3v2, but that only supports upto id3v2.1 [05:42] as it happens, id3lib ships with a small tool cald id3tag that supports up to v2.3 [05:42] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.109) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:42] im still trying to figure out why theres need for 2 versions of id3's [05:43] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.109) joined ##slackware. [05:43] id3v1 is limites# [05:43] *limited [05:43] yeah i know [05:43] v2 is not backward compatible [05:43] which is good [05:43] v1 should just go die [05:43] why not having only v2 then? [05:44] i strip v1 tags from my files [05:44] to support v1 capable devices [05:44] and make sure the file name is sane [05:44] eg 1st generation mp3 players for cars etc [05:44] then v1 only devices "does the right thing" from the filename [05:46] alphad (n=quassel@41.207.31.109) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:47] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [05:47] macavity: I found that, thanks though :) [05:48] JungleCat (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:48] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [05:48] hey what do you know, the windows vista logo can be pealed off [05:49] what kernel modules add support for laptop brightness controls? it was working but i compiled a custom kernel and it isnt in that [05:49] from my laptop* [05:49] quasar: does it work as advertised? [05:49] sahko: isnt that the first thing you always do when you get a computer? [05:49] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:49] macavity: yes sir [05:49] good [05:49] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Nylex (n=nylex@94-194-150-119.zone8.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:49] siimo: depends on the laptop [05:49] spook: normally the computers i get dont come with windows, let alone a logo [05:49] theres different modules for different laptop mfrs [05:50] Nylex (n=nylex@94-194-150-119.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [05:50] quasar: is it able to set all the fields that you want it to? [05:50] Nick change: JungleCat -> Netu [05:50] i have an Asus [05:50] maybe i should get a slackware one now [05:50] i dont see composer [05:50] siimo: eeepc? [05:50] Nylex (n=nylex@94-194-150-119.zone8.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:50] nah a normal laptop F series [05:51] not sure which/what but its googlable [05:51] might even be in the slackwiki [05:51] def would be in Linux on Laptops [05:51] generally Asus and GNU/Linux play nicely together [05:51] we have several here [05:52] mine is an S96F, and i have 100% hardware support [05:52] all my systems (except one) are Asus, no problems on any of them [05:53] siimo: IIWY I'd check the kernel config for Asus related params and just compile them in [05:53] amazingly the one system that isn't Asus is also the only one with an Intel chip and runs windows o.O [05:53] oh ok [05:54] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:54] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-423074.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] i hate asus [05:55] I like Asus.., I HATE nForce and ALL Asus boards that use it [05:55] it works nicely but i had to go and compile my own kernel [05:56] Zordrak: should they build as modules or * [05:56] Zordrak: right.. nForce can make any brand suck :P [05:56] spook: huh? [05:57] brb going to test this [05:57] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:00] macavity: i. hate. asus [06:01] i would understand you if you hated Acer... [06:01] or some other low life crap [06:02] macavity: bad experience [06:02] oh [06:02] i have only seen one asus product misbehave, and it was fixed without a hickup [06:02] or rather, a new one was provided over the counter straight away [06:02] also eeepcs sometimes shit me off [06:03] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.106) joined ##slackware. [06:03] they are overgrown pocket calculators.. they piss everyone off :P [06:03] its more the motherboard [06:03] i have yet to see a netbook that i dont consider a toy [06:04] whats wrong with that? [06:04] the chipset draws about 10W idle [06:04] oh.. [06:04] isnt that the fault of Intel? [06:05] the fact that they have 4gb soldered-in on most models annoyed me too [06:05] 4GB RAM? [06:05] macavity: coulda used a chipset that didnt suck for something thats suppossed to have good battery life [06:05] or flash hdd? [06:05] flash [06:05] on my model, 4gb soldered-in, 16gb removable [06:06] i hear people repport upto 6h of batery time on their eeepcs, so its not like it suck *that* bad [06:06] but they could be better [06:06] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:06] sure.. everyone could be better [06:06] it would be REALLY simple. [06:06] is there a shell-builtin variable which stores the exit status of a given pid? [06:06] frankyp: no. [06:07] or they could have put some of those cheep ass SiS ULW chips in it.. but have flakey linux support [06:07] very no [06:07] Action: macavity goes rob the fridge [06:07] hmm.. any suggestions on how to find out the exit status of a pid? [06:08] frankyp: what program? [06:08] a script i wrote [06:08] frankyp: you cant do it on just any pid.. [06:08] :/ [06:09] frankyp: you can catch the exit status, but then you have to wait for it [06:09] frankyp: as in exit 0 ? [06:09] yeah as in that. how do you catch it [06:09] what the shit?! mysql-6 is out [06:09] for debugging? use echo 0; exit 0 [06:09] noname_ (i=101@80.104.178.135) joined ##slackware. [06:10] frankyp: the var is set for the last exit.. but not specific to a pid [06:10] you could ./yourscript.sh && echo success [06:11] ok.. my problem is that $? only references the last cmd run in the script; and i need to write a conditional statement based on the exit status [06:11] ahh ok [06:12] || or failure, iirc [06:12] frankyp: command1 && retval=$? echo retval [06:13] frankyp: that is, $? contains the exit status of the last program to that exited [06:13] ah.. never mind [06:13] wasnt paying attention [06:14] macavity: neither was i [06:15] Action: macavity robs the fridge [06:15] vaibhav (n=landy@59.92.152.196) joined ##slackware. [06:19] Hi, I am having a weird problem. if i use my router as a dns sever, i am able to ping google.com but not able to open it through firefox. But if i set opendns as my dns, everything works fine [06:19] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [06:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [06:20] using your router, whats in /etc/resolv.conf [06:21] spook: nameserver 192.168.1.1 [06:21] nameserver 208.67.220.220 [06:21] .... [06:21] WTF?.. i have mysql-5.0.67 .. and slackpkg is telling me to upgrade to 5.0.51b [06:21] Zordrak: slackpkg update [06:22] .. is up to date [06:22] Zordrak: slackpkg doesn't take into account if the version is newer or not, just that your version does not match the one in the remote tree [06:22] (this is a 12.1 box) [06:22] orite [06:22] vaibhav: you can ping but cant... whaaat? [06:22] Zordrak: slackpkg doesnt know "newer" from "diffrent" [06:22] vaibhav: if you can ping, try wget www.google.com --spider [06:23] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.212.35) joined ##slackware. [06:23] i must have manually upgraded it some time ago [06:24] so blacklist it [06:24] you can use the blacklist file [06:24] spook: i can ping google.com but when i open any website in firefox it fails to load [06:24] arg.. i am just to slow today :P [06:24] actually theres a command, called blacklist [06:24] nice [06:24] slackpkg blacklist mysql [06:24] meh.. just ignoring it [06:24] vaibhav: thats not what i asked you to do. last chance before i ignore you. [06:25] vaibhav: "dig google.com. any @192.168.1.1 ; dig google.com. any @208.67.220.220" pastebin the output. [06:25] Action: spook stabs rob0 with a frozen eel and eats his liver [06:26] spook: i can haz teh eel? [06:27] Action: spook puts the eel back in the esky [06:29] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [06:30] awww.. i was just about to suggest making eel in jelly [06:30] keilto (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:30] Action: frankyp wants sushi [06:30] Action: spook stabs frankyp with a frozen eel and eats his liver [06:31] sushi is over rated.. why not just get to work on an entire fish [06:31] as long as its wrapped in rice and seaweed [06:31] that "bite sized" thingie generally means "not enough to eat" [06:31] Nick change: appzer0_ -> appzer0 [06:31] true. you gotta drop about $20 or its not worth it. [06:31] i want a pound of raw salmon [06:32] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:32] and some wasabi sauce to dip it in [06:32] How did we live before wireless laptops? I'd hate to have to interrupt my train of thought just because I needed a crap :) [06:33] O_o [06:33] for real [06:33] the next time you take me to the bathroom, do NOT bother to tell me about it, ok?!? [06:34] heh [06:34] *hehe [06:34] dude, I'm just text on a screen [06:34] :) [06:34] I could tell you I'm on an elephant hunting rhino [06:34] and if you do it again (and tell me) you will be red ascii art on a very big wall ;-) [06:35] Hi, this is my first try with slackware, and I'm already having problems trying to install a program from source (anki - http://ichi2.net/anki/) it says in the readme to run "python setup.py install" as root, but I keep getting a message about needing to download setuptools version 0.6c5 to run it, and then the script tries to download it (and fails). I've downloaded that .egg file that it says it needs and put it in the direct [06:35] keilto: have you looked at slackbuilds.org [06:35] spook++ [06:36] but its not on there [06:36] spook: I looked but couldn't find it [06:36] but setuptools is http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/pysetuptools/ [06:36] that might help [06:37] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:40] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:40] anyone who helps me find out how the fsck you can make a kde4 kdm theme, will get a free frozen eel [06:41] google kde themebuilder? [06:41] :P [06:41] its basically xml + a bunch of other stuff [06:41] Action: macavity backs off [06:41] xml gives me a headache [06:41] legendulo (n=RF@92.82.78.122) joined ##slackware. [06:41] macavity: first link, MOCK UP. [06:41] it doesnt exist [06:42] spook: macavity, after I run the slackbuild script, is the package installed [06:42] you need to be root before you run the script [06:43] yes, I ran it as root [06:43] and it will put the newly made package in /tmp which you need to installpkg, also as root. [06:43] you need to installpkg the script/ most probably in /tmp/blah [06:43] oh ok, that's what I was wondering [06:43] s/script/package [06:43] slackbuilds.org has a nice FAQ :) [06:43] legendulo (n=RF@92.82.78.122) left irc: Client Quit [06:44] the last lines of output for the buil should say moving blah.tgz to /tmp. thats the SBo M.O. so then you installpkg /tmp/blah.tgz [06:44] hmm. think i'll make every cmd in the script echo $? >> script.log if $?=!0 [06:44] frankyp: only if you really want to [06:44] frankyp: maybe you should learn how to bash script? [06:44] oh, i want to. 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[06:51] hello [06:51] afternoon [06:52] MrEntropy (n=entropy@219-90-163-227.ip.adam.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:55] spook: macavity, thanks, it seems to be working, after repeating the process for something called simplejson =) [06:55] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [06:55] im struggling to find a good gtk based music player o_o [06:56] keilto: just FYI.. you are very much dealing with python issues not slackware issues [06:56] spook: pm ? [06:56] siimo: audacious [06:56] keilto: :) [06:56] nepenthe (n=ville@YYYMXLI.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:56] manitou: no i'm quite happy to talk in this channel [06:56] ok :) [06:56] hmm will give it a try [06:57] would have liked exaile but not in slackware [06:57] how i remove (delete) volume group in lvm ? [06:58] anyway finally i have everything working in my laptop, media keys brightness wireless sound hibernate etc [06:58] siimo: slackbuilds.org/result/?search=exaile&sv= [06:58] manitou: lvremove id have thought [06:58] Whoever had the name resolution problems, and I asked for dig output: too late, I'm afk. [06:59] thx Zordrak [06:59] manitou: for a VOLUME GROUP, it is vgremove [06:59] spook: it depends on gstreamer which im probably missing too.. hmm slackbuild 12.2 only [06:59] you need to be careful with your terminology when using lvm [06:59] siimo: gimme 5 minutes i'll update it for 13.0 [06:59] ok [06:59] thx spook [06:59] rob0: do you what happens if tagfiles dont contain all entries in eg. a/ ? eg. if etc is missing from the tagfile, will it be ignored? [07:00] ignored, as in not installed [07:00] nepenthe (n=ville@YYYLV.gprs.sl-laajakaista.fi) joined ##slackware. [07:00] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:01] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [07:01] cool spook [07:02] siimo: use the 12.2 version, it will work. [07:02] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [07:03] i didnt need to install any of the stuff it lists, it built fine without them [07:03] ok [07:03] oh. [07:04] maybe not. [07:04] you need gst-python [07:04] hmm [07:05] siimo: slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gst&sv= that should help you find the packages it says it needs on slackbuilds.org [07:06] ok i think ill leave that till tomorrow, thanks [07:06] its only 3-5 packages. [07:07] yeah but im using audacious for now =) [07:07] ok :) [07:07] i have 1 more minor issue [07:07] how do i make the ugly black mouse cursors go away? ive set a theme in xfce but on some places the other one comes up [07:07] like startup notification when i click a menu [07:07] i'm sure theres a howto somewhere [07:08] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [07:08] christian (i=590ef5e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-olxkvmygkarqofvf) joined ##slackware. [07:08] hi [07:09] hello [07:09] Elench (n=jarv@dsl-217-155-101-18.zen.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:12] hello macavity [07:14] macavity: do you maybe know the answer to what i asked rob0 above? [07:14] morn metrofox [07:16] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [07:16] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:16] sahko: restate question pls? [07:16] http://windows7sins.org/letter/ [07:16] macavity: do you what happens if tagfiles dont contain all entries in eg. a/ ? eg. if etc is missing from the tagfile, will it be ignored? [07:17] ^^ The FSF send this as a regular snail-mail letter to 499 companies :P [07:17] Welz (n=welz@adsl-145-164-116.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:17] Welz (n=welz@adsl-152-220-119.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] sahko: yes, i belive that pkgtool only gets its info from the tagfile [07:17] *belive* [07:17] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CF5BD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:17] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.4.106) joined ##slackware. [07:17] really, the only way you can be sure is to check [07:18] it sounds logical, after all, its just text [07:18] ahh.. look at the manpage [07:18] what manpage? [07:18] --ignore_tagfile [07:18] pkgtool(8) [07:19] if pkgtool is called with --ignore_tagfile it will install all the files in the dir, despite what the tagfile says [07:19] errm no thats not what im interested in. its close to exact opposite [07:20] but yes, you are right.. it is unclear [07:21] well.. better safe than sorry then. Make sure all the files are mentioned in your tagfile [07:21] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.156.144) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:22] Action: spook has too many vm open each with different web browsers doing different things [07:23] adeodatu1 (i=1000@92.84.4.106) joined ##slackware. [07:24] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] passing kernel module options at boot time is done like this, right? module.option=value [07:26] macavity: yeah, thats what ive been doing so far, but i figured i should try having only the ADD entries. much easier to maintain them [07:27] How to install kde? [07:28] morning [07:28] Quiznos: afternoon :-) [07:28] adeodatus, you pick it when you install slackware [07:29] noname_ (i=101@80.104.178.135) left ##slackware. [07:29] did you just not select it? [07:29] I just install slackware-13.0 and I want to use X without hal. I follow the change_and_hints to disable it using my old xorg.conf. But X crashes when I move the mouse, for now it only works with hal [07:29] any idea ? [07:29] Daisy Fuentes and Jennifer Lopez; both intereviewed by a American Spanish-life show. mmm; Daisy has always made me ooze :) [07:29] christian mornin [07:30] I've only installed the first disk!! [07:30] that's all you need adeodatu [07:30] I've only installed the first cd!! [07:30] that's all you need adeodatus [07:31] adeodatus (killa the shadow nick pls) cd1 is all you need for complete install. [07:31] or rename shadow [07:32] When I put startx i get this message:command not found. [07:33] what cmd? [07:33] bash [07:33] use /bin/bash [07:34] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.190.71) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Action: metrofox is back [07:36] guys, I've got a little problem with slackware... Yesterday the temperature was near 80°C [07:36] where? [07:36] Quiznos, ? [07:36] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [07:36] the 80c [07:36] the ventilation system doesn't work and the fan module is loaded [07:36] Quiznos, CPU [07:37] metrofox what's your native language? [07:37] a few minutes ago it was 60°C... Quiznos Italian [07:37] k [07:37] it shows [07:37] :-) [07:37] pronoun trouble [07:37] keilto (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [07:38] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:38] adeodatus, X is on cd 2 [07:38] Quiznos, yeah... I know :) [07:38] ) [07:38] Quiznos, yours? [07:38] my what? [07:38] How do I install x then? [07:38] Quiznos, your native language :) [07:39] engrish [07:39] adeodatus, install cd 2 [07:39] dive why #2? [07:39] metrofox: he's chinese but very good at voodoo [07:39] Ekc (n=iskar@78.128.55.9) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:39] because xorg is on it [07:39] #1 has it [07:39] quasar, really? :D [07:39] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:39] that's the intall cd; all else is extra. [07:40] Quiznos, ftp://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-d2.iso.txt [07:41] So, how do I solve my little problem with the temperature? [07:41] metrofox, laptop? [07:41] put something small under the lapy to life its backside so it can breath [07:41] Nick change: Elench -> JHVH [07:41] dive, yep [07:41] which model? [07:41] life/lift [07:41] dive, Toshiba Satellite L300 [07:41] It's not possible to install X from the net without makeing a new cd? [07:41] Hi, I just tried installing the nvidia driver/kernel - it said it was a success, and I ran nvidia-switch --nvidia , but is there a way I can check to make sure they're being utilized? [07:41] adeodatus, you can use slackpkg [07:42] adeodatus did you try to run x11 yet? [07:42] Quiznos, yes read up. He stried startx and command not found. [07:42] that was for bash [07:42] not x11 [07:42] because xorg is on cd 2 [07:42] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [07:42] [12:32] « adeodatus» When I put startx i get this message:command not found. [07:43] dive i saw that; `bash' called without path [07:43] Quiznos: no [07:43] lem1 (n=root@86.81.102.210) joined ##slackware. [07:43] adeo would you please choose another nick for your adeodatu1 shadow? [07:43] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [07:43] Quiznos, startx command not found. Now what does that lead you to think? [07:43] dive he didnt say `startx'; was not installed [07:44] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:44] it said command not found o0 [07:44] Why, Quiznos? [07:44] adeodatus because it interferes with tab-complete [07:44] zeether101 (n=ke@96.251.192.31) joined ##slackware. [07:44] i.e. it _cannot_ find the startx command. [07:44] adeodatus as root run "which startx" [07:45] Quiznos, xorg is on cd 2 [07:45] ok [07:45] if you read that link I posted you, you will see. [07:45] yes [07:45] Thom1 (n=thom1@10.102.87-79.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:47] Quiznos: no startx [07:47] adeodatus is n/ dir installed? [07:47] adeodatus, try slackpkg nstall x/ [07:47] ups slackpkg install x/ [07:48] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:48] but you will need setup a mirror first and then do slackpkg update [07:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) joined ##slackware. [07:49] FREE KEVIN ! [07:49] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:49] o0 [07:49] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [07:50] who is kevin? [07:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Mitnick [07:50] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:50] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:50] sdrv (n=siderov@e176071113.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:52] slackware 13 is awesome :) [07:52] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72.24.139.79) joined ##slackware. [07:52] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:52] quasar, ah right. I recall the guy who could start a nulear war by whistling into a phone ;-) [07:52] paissad_ (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:53] captain krunch [07:53] paissad_ (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:53] tamingsari (n=tamingsa@115.132.65.37) joined ##slackware. [07:53] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [07:53] hi there [07:53] hi [07:54] how to change desktop themes from classic to new one [07:54] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [07:54] does anyone know if I could use the wicd.SlackBuild script of 12.1 to make a package for slack13? [07:54] oahong` (n=user@218.22.80.149) joined ##slackware. [07:54] kde4? [07:54] kde 3.5 [07:55] ejal (n=ejal@CBL217-132-119-33.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [07:55] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:55] look & feel section in the control center (somewhere in there) [07:56] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) joined ##slackware. [07:57] where i can get the paackage for kde desktop themes? [07:57] kdeartwork has the themes & icons & screensavers [07:57] rofl I never knew about that dive [07:58] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:58] interesting though [07:58] ok.. [08:00] deathmon1ac (n=eva00@200-103-147-87.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:00] when i startx without hal, it crashes and freezes my screen so i need to reset my computer. Did it happen to anyone ? [08:00] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] RipVanWinkle, when i try to use ym with pidgin it wont work..why eh? [08:01] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:01] yeah, i am disapointed in xorg/hal/kde4 i installed 13 without x and built xfree86 and qt, kde-3.5.10 is building now [08:02] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [08:02] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.4.106) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:03] Ok.. there's no real content yet.. but my blog now exists: https://blog.tpa.me.uk [08:03] lol [08:03] yahoo tweaks their IM protocol on occasion and it will break pidgin on occasion, it happens a couple of times a year, i read about it in pidgin's changelog [08:03] RipVanWinkle: can you give any real tangible argument of xfree86 over xorg? [08:04] will build & run without dbus & hal? [08:05] oh well.. [08:05] Welz (n=welz@adsl-152-220-119.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:05] no dbus -> no copy/paste between Qt and GTK apps [08:05] tamingsari (n=tamingsa@115.132.65.37) left irc: "Leaving" [08:05] and even GTK<->GTK apps i belive [08:05] Welz (n=welz@adsl-152-217-18.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [08:05] i did not install anything GTK, i have lynx! [08:06] then why do you need xfree86?!? [08:06] no firefox, no seamonkey, just xfree86 and xterm :D [08:06] and kde soon [08:06] ok.. never mind.. i can tell that your idea of what a computer should be able to do is very different than mine [08:07] different smokes for different folks [08:07] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) joined ##slackware. [08:07] Thom1: btw, i dont think that it is supposed to lockup, but i belive that hald *may* be a hard requirement [08:08] yeah, you better install hal & dbus Thom1 [08:09] macavity, :( [08:09] xfree86 is not really a smooth thing to build, it takes some cheating and dirty tricks to go [08:09] and breaks everything gtk [08:09] RipVanWinkle, change_and_hints says i can use X without hal running [08:09] Thom1: what do you have against it? [08:10] i bet kde4 wont load properly, i know, i seen it happen on my PC [08:10] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [08:10] dbus is probably required for a lot of things now [08:10] yes [08:10] it is the defacto freedesktop standard for process inter comunication [08:10] macavity, i don't need it and i prefer to not use it [08:11] Thom1: apparetnly you do need it :P [08:11] ^^ [08:11] macavity, it looks like [08:11] Thom1: personally i just do hal-disable-polling --device /dev/sr0 [08:12] ok [08:12] deathmoniac (n=eva00@200-103-149-150.ctame706.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:12] christian (i=590ef5e9@gateway/web/freenode/x-olxkvmygkarqofvf) left irc: "Page closed" [08:12] Thom1: then it is less obnoxius, yet when i turn off the wifi, the relevant parties are still notified [08:13] Thom1: or when i insert an USB HDD, it is still auto detected [08:14] macavity, ok but i don't care because i use a simple wm and i mount my hardware maunally [08:14] i get to move furniture for my brother today since he does not own a pickup truck [08:15] Thom1: is that a seriously low end machine? [08:15] macavity, no [08:15] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.190.71) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [08:16] then it is probably not the end of the world.. you can make hald act pretty much the way you want [08:16] anyone built MGR gui? [08:16] macavity, yes i can [08:16] but xorg needs it to obtain information about the evedev driver etc [08:16] i belive ACPI events are also exported via hald these days [08:17] so pretty much any kind of interaction with the host OS is done that way [08:17] this makes xorg less platform dependant, which imho is a good thing [08:17] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) joined ##slackware. [08:17] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:18] adeodatu1 (i=1000@92.84.4.106) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:18] if i had newer & better hardware i would just do the dbus/hal/xorg thing with 13 [08:18] anyone know if updating python to >= 2.6.X on 12.1 will do any damage? [08:19] we still have python 2.6 on 13.0 [08:19] Knightingale: depends, do you build much code that reqires python? avidemux? firefox? [08:19] so perhaps you should check that out really carefully [08:19] avidemux build will break [08:20] RipVanWinkle, i built avidemux [08:20] did you build it with the stock python-2.5.x ? [08:20] rlex2 (i=rlex@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [08:21] im not sure i would have done the default slackbuild [08:21] matt0 (n=matt0@203-213-78-125.static.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:21] re(+JPcfnt 1,3 #overflow)] [08:21] ooops [08:21] it will break some things, i done been there and done that and got the t-shirt to prove it [08:22] rlex2 (i=rlex@yunix.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:22] I'll use python3.0 interpreter for now then i have that installed [08:23] all i can say is do it at your own risk, if something breaks dont say i didnt warn you [08:24] newbie___ (n=kvirc@90.151.147.66) joined ##slackware. [08:24] newbie___ (n=kvirc@90.151.147.66) left ##slackware. [08:24] aka "if it breaks you get to keep both pieces" :P [08:24] :D [08:25] where are the themes for the splash screen kept? [08:26] i understood the risk of the heavy tweaking i am doing to 13, if it breaks i wont be surprised and just reboot to 12.2 and wipe it, start over [08:26] spook: check kcontrolcentre [08:26] might tell you [08:26] Zordrak: doesnt exist in kde4, but it doesnt [08:27] hm [08:27] definitely a kde thing not a kdm thing anyway [08:27] so prolly ~/.kde somewhere [08:27] maybe the settings, but not the actual theme [08:28] orite [08:28] *shrug* [08:28] spook: like the theme choice? : https://blog.tpa.me.uk [08:28] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:29] doesnt exist. [08:29] ahh.. lol.. helps if i add it to external dns as well as internal :D [08:29] oh, PySide [08:29] now perhaps we can get a wicd-client for KDE [08:29] hmmm? [08:30] giuppy (n=giuppy@host176-167-dynamic.3-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:30] Zordrak: /usr/share/apps/ksplash/Themes [08:30] well.. it is for Qt (like PyQt, but lgpl) [08:30] cool [08:30] so we can get something that looks a lot more like KDE than what we have now [08:31] and themed? [08:31] i hate gtk. [08:32] Action: matt0 stares 0-o [08:33] zeether101 (n=ke@96.251.192.31) left irc: "Leaving." [08:34] spook: try again? [08:37] nup didnt work [08:37] ppl anyone here with slack x86_64 and flash 10 ? [08:37] livebrain: yeah works fine [08:37] nspluginwrapper keeps complaining about npviewer [08:37] sux2bu [08:37] i compiled de npviewer.bin on a slackware 32bits [08:38] copied to the folder /usr/lib/nspluginwrapper/i386 [08:38] would someone name the pkg containing libdaemon.so? [08:38] then complied the plugin wrapper uwing --disable-npviewer [08:38] livebrain: i know of an annoying workaround [08:38] spook: i really friggin wish NXDOMAIN wouldnt get cached [08:38] and now nspluginwrapper -i plugin.so complains about npviewer [08:39] afternoon. [08:39] hi [08:39] nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libflashplayer.so [08:39] spook: i guarantee it's fine now.. but your dns/ff already thinks its not [08:39] BP{k}: sup [08:39] damn, my thinkpad mouse just stopped [08:39] BP{k}: can you check https://blog.tpa.me.uk for me? [08:39] two secs [08:39] ty [08:40] sudo /sbin/modprobe psmouse proto=imps [08:40] RipVanWinkle can you tell me ? [08:40] problem solved [08:40] but strange is just stopped for no obvious reason [08:40] Quiznos: packages.slackware.it [08:40] it [08:40] spook what's that? [08:40] get youtube-dl and use mplayer [08:40] package searcher [08:40] o [08:41] Zordrak: it gives an untrusted warning on firefox, but otheriwse works. [08:41] yeah... cause mozilla STILL wont add CaCert's root certificate in [08:41] theyre working on it.. [08:41] search freshmeat.net for flash video there are several flash video download scripts [08:42] pff who needs youtube-dl when you can write a script to do it? [08:42] spook now would you grep /var/log/packages for me for that filename? [08:42] why reinvent the wheel when somebody else already did it [08:42] BP{k}: like the theme? [08:42] Quiznos: what slackware version? [08:43] 13 [08:43] 32bit? [08:43] Zordrak: yeah looks good. :) [08:43] ty :) [08:43] not relevent i think but yea [08:43] reminds me I need to set up my rss reader again. [08:43] BP{k}: like the theme?= [08:43] whoops [08:44] Knightingale (n=tp@unaffiliated/knightingale) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:44] i meant to say: BP{k}: *nod* using akregator myself [08:44] Quiznos: no dice [08:44] i think it's akregator.. whichever is the kde4 one not the gnome POS [08:44] ty [08:44] RipVanWinkle: because youtube-dl is 1200 lines when I've got the same thing (and converts to mp3 if with --mp3) in 96 lines [08:45] iphigenie (n=iphigeni@94-168-204-75.cable.ubr18.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:45] or in other words.. bloat [08:45] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [08:45] greetings [08:45] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427028.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:45] alloha [08:47] bonjour [08:48] hello [08:48] you lose the video [08:48] hi [08:48] john_dee (n=id@93-81-141-61.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:49] RipVanWinkle: no, the flv/mp4 file is kept unless you push "y[enter]" when it asks if you want to delete them [08:49] RipVanWinkle: even if you convert to mp3, it doesn't delete them unless you tell it to [08:49] heh, bloat? a few kilobytes, with a 500 gig drive i am not worried about that [08:49] matt0 (n=matt0@203-213-78-125.static.tpgi.com.au) left irc: [08:51] rlex (i=rlex@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] mlangdn (n=michael@72-4-62-5.customers.cinergycom.net) joined ##slackware. [08:52] another thing it lacks is a search feature.. why use two programs to get one video/song? [08:55] Thom1 (n=thom1@79.87.102.10) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Billtoo_ (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:57] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-60-10.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:00] Is there a more dummy proof version of the "use generic-smp" kernel beyond the release notes, I did something wrong but heck if I can figure it out :( [09:00] iphigenie: have you made an initrd? [09:00] yup [09:00] iphigenie: have you setup lilo to use the initrd? [09:01] well i did put the line in there... [09:01] initrd = /boot/initrc.gz [09:01] but i think i did not do the right thing when generating it [09:01] iphigenie: have you run lilo? [09:01] yup [09:01] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.71) joined ##slackware. [09:01] iphigenie: what command did you use to make the initrd? [09:02] when i boot i get an error message about no modules and then it cant mount (obviously) [09:02] iphigenie: 1) show use the line you ran to create your initrd and 2) *pastebin* your lilo.conf [09:02] will have to go boot that machine of the USB key, brb [09:02] thats gonna be my number one blog post after the grand prix.. initrds are pointless in standard setups, i hate them and wish theyd die [09:03] i need an initrd, because my / for slack64 is on a mdadm raid10 array, in a lvm partition [09:03] spook: so compile raid and LVM into your kernel.. [09:03] Billtoo_ (n=bill@bas4-unionville55-1279488719.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0-rc3" [09:04] i think initrd are a bit more maintanable through kernel releases (i.e. faster) [09:04] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [09:05] and i suspect had i read the manpage to double check the command... (yes, i know..) [09:06] iphigenie: you'll want something like, mkinitrd -c -k yourkernelversion -r yourrootdevice and optionally -L for lvm support and -R for linux software raid support [09:06] oh and -f yourrootfs and -m yourrootfs [09:07] there's an example in the README.initrd of how to do it [09:07] yes, i followed that :D [09:08] but obviously i missed something [09:08] god that boot USB image takes forever!!! [09:08] Razec (n=razec@189.56.86.141) joined ##slackware. [09:08] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.113.149.60) left irc: "leaving" [09:08] jigp_ (i=allan@ti500720a080-1509.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [09:09] jigp (i=allan@ti500720a080-5036.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:09] iphigenie: what slackware version, / filesystem, and your / device? [09:10] mlangdn (n=michael@72-4-62-5.customers.cinergycom.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:13] i think i used [mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.29.6 -m mbcache:jbd:ext3 -f ext3 -r /dev/sda9] [09:13] most likely i made a typo [09:14] and you chrooted into your / first right? [09:14] was in console and did an su, no chrooting, should i have? [09:15] how did you just boot the system? [09:16] is there some bootstrapping i should have done then, chroot into that kernel to generate the initrd? [09:16] answer my question first please [09:17] i booted via lilo using the huge kernel, freshly installed a day or two ago [09:17] (from the current tree) [09:17] okay. then you dont need to chroot. [09:17] you only chroot if you boot from whereever, into the install environment [09:18] which i'll need to do this time, since i'm booting off the usb key made at install (why are these so slow?) [09:19] no. the usb key will probally "hugesmp.s root=/dev/sda9 noinitrd" [09:20] i.e; boot straight into your system [09:20] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-173.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:20] oh, wait. [09:20] right now you're in console? so like, if you type setup the installer comes up? [09:24] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [09:27] WooHoo, kde-3.5.10 looks pretty on top of xfree86 [09:28] fonts in konqueror tested on several websites look nice! clean and sharp [09:28] kbd and mouse are dead when x11 startx; psaux & wireless. [09:28] suggestions? [09:30] Quiznos: turn off hal autodetect and do it manually [09:30] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.190.71) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Action: metrofox is back [09:32] spook kill hald? [09:33] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:33] no. [09:34] spook then what do you mean? [09:34] xorg.conf [09:34] and do what? [09:35] specify your mouse and keyboard [09:35] ok; rm the guess work? [09:36] huh? [09:37] nm [09:37] Quiznoz: man xorg.conf. Option "AllowEmptyInput" [09:38] k [09:38] nihilstar (n=nihil@89.136.243.243) joined ##slackware. [09:39] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] where do I specify `-ignoreABI' Xorg opt? [09:40] in a script? [09:40] http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/08/29/030223/Microsoft-Holding-Screw-Google-Meetings-In-DC [09:40] LOL ^^ [09:41] sroogle scraper :D [09:43] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [09:44] i doubt microsoft goes too far with that [09:44] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [09:45] noizze_ (n=noise@p549CF5BD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] "too far" being just as far as it pays off [09:45] Elektro (n=Elektro@90.85-84-206.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: [09:45] Hello everybody! [09:46] that is, if they think the odds of being convicted of libel is small, and the relative effectiveness is high, they will do it [09:46] hello a750mhzslinky [09:46] btw, have you any footage of what a 750MHz slinky looks like in action? [09:47] not yet, can't afford the equipment [09:47] and is "a Hz" on a slinky one step on a stair? [09:48] hah haven't thought about that [09:49] a hz is an oscilation, used in radio frequency [09:49] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-173.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [09:49] also speeds in PC chips/cpus [09:50] Quiznos (n=b@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [09:50] Hz is seconds to the power of one [09:50] Quiznoz: Option "IgnoreABI" [09:50] exactly [09:50] It's used in any context for frequency [09:50] a measurement [09:50] s/power of one/power of minus one/ [09:50] A unit [09:51] so, in the case of a slinky, it would be from upright possition on one stair step to upright possition on the next [09:51] a 750Mhz slinky would be a blur [09:51] one step to the other would be the cycle and the hz unit would be again one cycle per second [09:51] it would be awesome [09:52] jimsn (n=a_kerkau@202.179.22.194) joined ##slackware. [09:53] what is that severly long stair in asia called? [09:53] it goes up half a mountain [09:53] so openchrome driver was broken out of the box for me....not sure what to say about it though I couldn't get vesa working either, but a quick adjustment to the latest svn code on openchrome has me good an stable... [09:53] on 13.0 [09:54] good [09:54] jimsn (n=a_kerkau@202.179.22.194) left ##slackware. [09:55] jimsn (n=a_kerkau@202.179.22.194) joined ##slackware. [09:55] jimsn (n=a_kerkau@202.179.22.194) left ##slackware. [09:56] I: is 13.1rc0 for? You: when it's ready, XD [09:57] or wait minimum another 6 months [09:59] man.. my google-fu sucks [09:59] i cant find the worlds tallest stairs [09:59] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] a750mhzslinky: what is the version of xorg-server package? [10:00] gnubien, 1.6.3 [10:00] macavity: tibet? [10:00] BP{k}: maybe? [10:01] macavity: Maybe the Great Wall in China? [10:01] macavity: http://googlesightseeing.com/2009/01/30/worlds-longest-staircase/ [10:01] allend: that has lots of flat places too [10:01] a750mhzslinky: my VIA CN700/P4M800 Pro/P4M800 CE/VN800 starting working ok in xorg-server 1.6.3, which via card do you have? [10:02] a750mhzslinky: lspci will tell you [10:02] BP{k}: yay [10:02] 11,674 steps [10:02] gnubien, CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] [10:03] and guinessbook certified. ;) [10:03] a750mhzslinky: wow.. you would be able to do that in just 15.6 secs! [10:03] hah [10:03] dude.. that would look so cool :P [10:03] Action: allend allend needs a new atlas. the Swiss Alps hav moved to Asia? [10:03] a750mhzslinky: what is the problem? X wont start? [10:04] allend: i just thought it was that asian one that was the longest [10:05] macavity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltwxC19s5u8 ;) [10:05] gnubien, with openchrome 0.2.903 it would lock up soon as X was called and I would get no logs because everything was frozen... [10:07] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: "Leaving" [10:07] a750mhzslinky: did X or you create your xorg.conf? you should let X create it [10:08] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [10:08] fau__ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [10:08] Hi. How can i use adobe-flashplayer plug-in with firefox in slackware 64-bit ? [10:08] gyroscope: same prob here [10:09] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:09] gnubien, I found a problem with hibernation with this card on arch forums and someone said btw I can't switch between X and a console but fixed it by commenting on line of code out of the latest svn version, I gave it a try and wango good to go......I tried both letting X do it automatically and making a config with X -configure, with fixed version it automatically does it [10:09] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.87.106) left irc: "Leaving." [10:09] damn nspluginwrapper doesnt compile, and if i use the binaries it doesnt work [10:09] livebrain: do you know any solution for this ? [10:10] a750mhzslinky: ok, tried starting X with no xorg.conf? [10:10] nspluginwrapper or running firefox32 [10:10] BP{k}: lol [10:10] gnubien, tried both, but it is all fixed now =) [10:10] a750mhzslinky: cool, have fun [10:10] i can't run ff 32-bit [10:12] allend (n=allend@CPE-58-165-60-10.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [10:12] you need to setup sime things first [10:12] beatzz (i=beatzz@cpe-72-183-220-239.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:12] you need some 32bit stuff in you system [10:12] yo yo yo [10:12] where can i found it ? [10:12] a750mhzslinky: make a slackbuilds.org script for it if you find it missing [10:12] ok, so my project for the day is to get slack13 onto my USB drive. [10:13] _AtheoS_ (n=_AtheoS_@92-234-149-22.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [10:13] beatzz: are you sober at this point? [10:13] right now, i am using 7zip to extract the files from the iso [10:13] very [10:13] why dont you just mount the iso via loopback and copy them? [10:13] <- vista machine [10:14] gyroscope: there is a build script for flashplayer-plugin in extra/ just run the script and it will compile the 64bit plugin [10:14] beatzz: let me get this straight.. you are trying to make a USB *install* media from Vista? [10:14] exactly [10:14] ok [10:14] livebrain: are you saying he needs 32bit libraries for flash? [10:15] which will also sufice as a USBlive correct? [10:15] no [10:15] ...? [10:15] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:15] not for flash [10:15] BP{k}: ok i'm looking [10:15] for running firefox32bit [10:15] a slackware install media is not the same thing as a slackware live CD [10:15] but my 12.2 did the same for me? [10:15] ?!? [10:15] livebrain: gotcha :) although that should never bve needed. :) [10:16] the very first screen that came up offered me to boot from a paticular kernel [10:16] does anyone understand what beatzz is trying to communicate with me? [10:16] that ran off the disk? [10:16] almost like a repair mode [10:16] gyroscope: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/extra/flashplayer-plugin/ [10:16] ah, so you are making two partitions on it? [10:16] first you boot it as an install media, and it install it to the seccond partition [10:17] then you boot that seccond partition? [10:17] i guess if i explain what im trying to achive it may help [10:17] I have a 12.2 disk at the house in WA [10:17] no say :P [10:17] its a dvd [10:17] when i put it into any computer [10:17] yes [10:17] it will begin the installation of slack upon boot [10:17] yes.. that is an install media [10:17] the very first screen, where it asks you which kernel to use [10:18] it has a paragraph twards the bottom of the screen [10:18] Welz (n=welz@adsl-152-217-18.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:18] Oh and for those wondering: Ndiswrapper also compiles fine on 64bit.Oh and for those wondering: Ndiswrapper also compiles fine on 64bit. [10:18] yes [10:18] you can use the kernel off the DVD, but a / somewhere else [10:18] BP{k}: it complains here [10:18] exactly [10:19] ok, so that is just for kernel [10:19] ? [10:19] yes [10:19] i remeber useing it when i was compiling kernels for the first time [10:19] in nspluginwrapper says that we have to compile npviewer in a 32 enviromment [10:19] GoodStudent (n=GoodStud@41.252.45.186) joined ##slackware. [10:19] it takes the kernel on the DVD, and passes the root= to whatever you say [10:19] and pluginwrapper in the 64 [10:19] so that will NOT work as a live disk for any computer? [10:19] no [10:19] crap.. [10:19] there go's my fun for the day. [10:20] that will, as said message says, be able to boot a slackware installation [10:20] and flash plugin for 64 crashes firefox alot [10:20] beatzz: well, you would have to deal with slackware's minimal install environment [10:20] thats fine [10:20] beatzz: let me get this.. when this "USB product" is done, do you expect to start X on it? [10:20] this usb will only need CLI and the ability to mount copy/delete [10:21] no [10:21] NaCl (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [10:21] ah, ok [10:21] BP{k}: now i'm compile libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz from source [10:21] finally got that machine rebooted on the huge kernel again [10:21] then read the stuff in usb-and-pxe-installers [10:21] beatzz: yeah, then the install environment should suffice [10:21] but when i try to compile nspluginwrapper in the 64bits it fails because of npviewer [10:21] ops it's contain a libflashplayer.so file [10:22] and if i do disable-npviewer it compiles [10:22] you just need to make a small partition, and use rawwrite to copy the usb image to it [10:22] ok, and the usb image is on the dvd? [10:22] or ftp? [10:22] then i copy the npviewer.bin to the folder an try nspluginwrapper -i plugin but it fails... [10:22] beatzz: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0/usb-and-pxe-installers/README_USB.TXT [10:22] @spook the command i had done seems fine to me :( [10:23] beatzz: it is on the DVD [10:23] beatzz: in the same dir as that README [10:23] in extras or sumthin? [10:23] nope [10:23] in usb-and-pxe-installers/ [10:23] livebrain: livebrain: Are you using it on a full slackware install with the default kernel? http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/ndiswrapper/ <-- works [10:23] but i am going to go log in on that machine now [10:23] Nick change: iphigenie -> was-iphigenie [10:23] usbboot.img [10:23] Action: BP{k} seriously hates ssh lag. [10:23] is the file [10:23] BP{k}: hahaha [10:24] so true :) [10:24] macavity: thanks man, im gana read this doc and give it a shot [10:24] lame java irc client :/ [10:25] beatzz: if you cannot accept the fact that it will kill what is on the USB thingie, then you need to manually do some magic with syslinux [10:25] or isolinux [10:26] and for that i would say: get out of windows, naow [10:26] nothing like linux magic to confound the natives [10:26] ive been trying syslinux [10:26] i tryed putting DSL and SLAX on this thing w/ syslinux [10:26] with no success [10:27] vista gives me hella problems w/ it for some reason [10:27] bitlocker? [10:27] ive tryed several troubleshooting guides as well [10:27] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [10:27] well.. Just Say No ;-) [10:27] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [10:27] u mean continue? [10:27] i mean, just say no to drugs.. err.. i mean to windows [10:28] right [10:28] well its my brothers computer [10:28] :/ [10:28] belive me ive tried [10:28] tough luck [10:28] the extent of his computer logic is IE + windows media player [10:28] use some kind of paritioning tool to resize the partitions, make sure you install lilo to the super block of the linux partition, and use the windows bootloader to chainload slackware [10:29] and set it up so you have to press F8 to get the boot menu [10:29] iphigenie (n=iphigeni@94-168-204-75.cable.ubr18.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:29] the idea of linux serious scares him. [10:30] luser ;-) [10:30] and i gata respect his HD [10:30] :/ [10:30] well.. if he sees you do all sorts of crap and fail at it, perhaps that is why :P [10:30] let the man use windows in peace [10:31] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.229) joined ##slackware. [10:31] s/peace/pieces/ [10:31] seriously, get to a GNU/Linux box and make a fuly fledged slackware install on a USB HDD [10:31] then you can have slackware in your pocket all day long, and boot it without touching peoples machines [10:31] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [10:31] me again - are there any sanity checks I can do on a mkinitrd result short of rebooting everything [10:31] i guess i could look up linux support groups in San Antonio [10:31] hi mohaa [10:32] we metrofox_san ;) [10:32] vado a cena :/ [10:32] iphigenie: gunzip it, then loopback mount it. [10:32] see you [10:32] mohaa, see ya later :P [10:32] spook: I've put my initrd rant up on the blog :) [10:32] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@c-67-171-67-171.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [10:32] iphigenie: you double check that you added it to lilo.conf, and double check that you ran lilo after editing lilo.conf.. and you keep a spare entry to a huge-smp kernel, just in case [10:32] BP{k}: thank you, i'm done [10:32] Zordrak: yeah i figured you might [10:33] gyroscope: no problem :) [10:33] Hey, feel free to comment on it [10:33] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:33] macavity the spare huge-smp entry is in now, i booted via the usb key, added it and reran linux - at least that fallback is in now [10:33] I can argue against initrds all day long [10:33] macavity ur saying, actualy, install slackware13 onto the usb drive. [10:33] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left ##slackware ("see you..."). [10:33] so that it is the / [10:34] and make it bootable, yes? [10:34] yes [10:34] well that sounds swell [10:34] you need to go through some hoops to get it done [10:34] i like hoops [10:34] eg, you need to alter fstab to use uuids [10:34] i have all day to mingle hoops [10:34] and you need an initrd [10:34] im only workin w/ 4GB's also * [10:35] beatzz: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [10:35] thats the link u sent me last night right? [10:35] yup [10:35] indeed [10:35] that is what i thought you were trying to do [10:35] it was actualy [10:35] sweet [10:35] but then you need to burn the DVD [10:35] ohhh yea thats right.. [10:36] i couldent use that tutorial becuase its based off linux [10:36] but if i had a DVD disk, then it would be possible ;) * [10:36] yes [10:36] or if you had two USB devices [10:36] i got 5 bucks to my name after a long weekend of drinking [10:36] i wonder if they sell singles at target :( [10:37] if they do, dont botch it ;-) [10:37] DVD+RW ? [10:37] oh man thats rough, thats like me too [10:37] well it was a more than avg weekend [10:37] my bro turned 30 [10:37] i took him out to wild zebras friday [10:38] 5 dollar lap dances [10:38] ;) [10:38] that a good price [10:38] can he lend you a few bucks for a five or ten qty DVD pack? [10:38] yea, its a friday special they have [10:38] i dont get the idea of lap dances... [10:38] the problem with table/lap dances they never finish you off [10:38] but that is probaly just me [10:38] the girls there are less than avg...chest size.. but hey when ur that drunk who cares [10:38] omnipotentduo++ [10:39] one of them actualy offered after hour serveces to my bro [10:39] lol [10:39] 60 dollars... [10:39] what a life [10:39] thats it? [10:39] thats it [10:39] WOW [10:39] bayrouni (n=bayrouni@host-85-27-58-115.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.3" [10:39] but we went to the comedy club instead [10:39] and got more drunk [10:39] probably a good choice [10:39] yea std's suck [10:40] heh, i went to a goth club i havent been to in years, and then to where my crowd migrated to [10:40] ok, so i got the tutorial, gana hit target up in a lil bit for some dvd's, for now its breakfast time [10:40] yummie...goth girls...did they cut themselfs on stage? [10:40] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:40] goth not emo [10:41] they just cut depper ;) [10:41] deeper* [10:41] peace for now all, breakfast [10:41] it was more a cyber punk night, they were all in PVC [10:41] nice [10:43] am i a lucky dog or what???? [10:43] http://www.target.com/Memorex-80-Min-CD-RW-Slim-Disc/dp/B000P0OJ8E/sr=1-1/qid=1251643378/ref=sr_1_1/176-1466577-9861862?ie=UTF8&search-alias=tgt-index&frombrowse=0&rank=price&rh=k%3Advd%2Brw&page=1 [10:44] that is just a CD [10:45] moks107 (n=shim@77.69.241.170) joined ##slackware. [10:45] jdevincenzo (n=jdevince@OL83-248.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:45] jdevincenzo (n=jdevince@OL83-248.fibertel.com.ar) left irc: Client Quit [10:46] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.210.147) joined ##slackware. [10:46] jdevincenzo (n=jdevince@OL83-248.fibertel.com.ar) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] hi there [10:47] what's up? [10:48] howdy slackyteers got your mouse ears on ;p [10:48] DirtyHarry (n=DirtyHar@unaffiliated/dirtyharry) left irc: "Leaving" [10:48] adeodatus (n=RF@92.85.210.147) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] it's my first time here, but I'll try to be around more often =) [10:48] nope but i am going to get more tobbacco for my pipe [10:49] spook i am starting to bang my head at my incompetence limit - mount -o is not being cooperative either on the subject of filesystem type etc. [10:49] when I log in root in tty, i have this message "Warning: add_groups: Invalid argument", do you know what it means ? [10:49] mount -o loop [10:49] yes [10:49] mount -o loop /path/to/unzipped/initrdfile /mountpoint [10:50] i think you need to use an offset or something [10:50] google. [10:50] or the kernel docs [10:50] quick qustion... I'm tryng to install Slackware 13... but there's no hugesmp.s kernel on the 64 iso? [10:50] jdevincenzo: its smp by default [10:50] going through... *sigh* I think a test reboot might just be faster, perhaps it works now [10:50] jdevincenzo: nope, all 64-bit kernels are smp, so it's just "huge.s" [10:50] brb :) [10:50] iphigenie (n=iphigeni@94-168-204-75.cable.ubr18.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [10:51] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-25-3.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] oh oh... didn't catch that [10:51] jdevincenzo: sure :) when in doubt, just push enter :? [10:51] so I'll go boot the huge then... thanks! [10:51] hey ya'all... i fubar'd on my slackware 13.0 upgrade... I followed the README.initrd file, and went thru with the intructions for building initrd for ext3, when in fact my root filesystem is ext2! [10:52] so, are you the same guys from the forum at LQ? [10:52] i use ext4 [10:52] any suggestions, pointers on where i can find proper syntax for the slackware 13.0 initrd using ext2 [10:52] fnord0: well, can you boot the huge kernel ? [10:52] jdevincenzo: some are, absolutely :) [10:52] thrice`: not currently ;) [10:52] fnord0: mkinitrd -c -k kernelversion -m ext2 -f ext2 -r yourrootdev [10:53] well, you'll probably have to boot a liveCD and recreate your initrd properly [10:53] spook: ahhh, u da man! [10:53] thrice`: ya, i got a liveUSB drive [10:53] fnord0: /boot/README.initrd [10:53] fnord0: its in numerous readme in the package tree/dvd/vd [10:53] tooly (n=tooly@85.178.159.238) joined ##slackware. [10:53] thrice: has that place taken me out of trouble! =) [10:53] spook: woot! thanks guys [10:53] i will let ya know =) [10:54] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.126.83) joined ##slackware. [10:57] one other question... where does mkinitrd live on slackware 13 (x86 version) [10:57] iphigenie (n=iphigeni@94-168-204-75.cable.ubr18.brad.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:57] spook i knew it was a typo! [10:57] *sigh* [10:58] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [10:58] i.e. what directory does the "mkinitrd" script reside in (on a slackware 13 box)? [10:58] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:58] Action: iphigenie gumbles about commands that accept gobbledygook without complaining [10:58] iphigenie: welcome to slackware [10:58] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:58] fnord0: you need to chroot before running it [10:59] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-25-3.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:59] did slack move to using sudo as well? [10:59] how can you make grep searches include [] characters? doesnt seem to work. [10:59] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-25-3.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] vrisplov (n=vrisplov@84-16-234-96.internetserviceteam.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] somehow there was no space between -r and the /dev/sda9 ! [11:00] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [11:00] hello [11:00] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-193-62.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "quit" [11:01] compizconfig-backend-kconfig-0.8.2 doesn't compile on slackware 13.0 [11:01] spook thanks for the welcome, it has indeed been a very long time since my last visit to the world of slackware - or any linux for more than dabbling [11:01] frankyp: grep "\[abc\]" filename [11:02] fnord0: /sbin/mkinitrd [11:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [11:03] configure: error: Qt (>= Qt 3.3 and < 4.0) (headers and libraries) not found. Please check your installation! [11:03] frankyp: you may also want to check the -f switch to grep [11:03] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [11:04] esom: you need to install kde3compat from extra [11:04] spook: ok... say i mounted my failed slackware 13upgrade to /mnt/slack ... u suggest "chroot /mnt/slack /bin/bash" ? i am using a recuse USB drive [11:04] macavity: thank ya kind sir [11:04] esom: but uhm.. KDE4 does its own compositing now [11:04] trying to build myself a main desktop - and i am clueless about all that aspect, server side I can handle (although i'm a BSD person there, burnt by redhat not coming back) but faced with figuring out how to choose and setup a reasonable sound solution (mpd/alsa for now) or choosing a desktop toolchain and I am lost. too much choice! [11:05] spook: just wanna make sure i get the chroot part right, since u r saying in order to use mkinitrd i gotta use chroot [11:05] iphigenie: "a desktop toolcain"?!? [11:05] macavity: thanks, do i have to install all of them or qt3-3.38b? [11:05] iphigenie: you should pick what slackware ships.. period :P [11:05] esom: i dont know [11:06] esom: but since it is called "kconfig" and it is targeting KDE3, then one might suspect that it wants the other libs too [11:06] macavity i guess you wouldnt call it a toolchain, shows my age when it comes to tech eh? [11:06] superGear (n=supergea@65.113.15.181) left irc: [11:06] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] esom: beware.. it might not play nice with KDE4 at all [11:06] ejal (n=ejal@CBL217-132-119-33.bb.netvision.net.il) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:06] iphigenie: a toolchain is compiler->asembler->linker [11:07] macavity, i know, it was a metaphor :) [11:07] iphigenie: so you actual question is? [11:07] cant chroot /mnt after finished install 13 ? [11:07] iphigenie: cheap or high priced sound card? [11:07] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:07] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:07] re [11:07] manitou: you should be able to.. and if not, just mount it by hand [11:08] i use lvm on 2 ssd's 4+16GB , what i shoul mount ? macavity [11:09] macavity you say what slackware ships with - but I dont see much there for gathering and organizing information to offer a workflow for writing [11:09] oh.. your doing the expert stuff, so you tell me :P [11:09] re [11:10] iphigenie: i have a perception problem with you.. i still dont grasp exactly what it is that you want to know [11:10] what's he doin? [11:10] asking in-the-bush questions i think [11:10] bush? what bush? there' sno bush in linux [11:11] tooly (n=tooly@85.178.159.238) left irc: "Leaving." [11:11] macavity dont worry about it :) thanks for helping earlier [11:11] do you know what's the /etc/gshadow file ? 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[11:12] Thom1: there can be if you want to [11:12] but since many of us are on mkinitrd, what is the benefit of -L (I removed itwhen i was having problems, should i put it back) [11:12] Thom1: gpasswd(1) [11:12] macavity, ok i didn't know [11:12] macavity: i get error "cannot exicute /bin/sh : no such file or directory " [11:12] shdadowed group file [11:12] shadowed group file [11:13] manitou: if you are on lvm, then i am out.. i dont even remember 10% of that stuff by heart [11:13] ok :( [11:13] manitou: there is a readme about it on the slackware DVD [11:14] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:14] in the root of it.. called README_LVM.TXT [11:14] the CD is probably still mounted in /var/cdrom (iirc) [11:14] so you can just less it and see what to do [11:15] mount will tell you where it's mounted ;p [11:15] knnk (n=ngworeka@cpe-70-112-177-214.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:16] beatzz (i=beatzz@cpe-72-183-220-239.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:17] macavity: I've installed arts, qt3 and kde3lib from kde3-compat, it compiles well now, thanks a lot! :) [11:17] esom: well.. lets see if you can get it to run with properly with KDE4 [11:19] can someone look at spooksoftware.com:3333 and tell me if "It works!" ? [11:20] It works! [11:20] yay the forward works. i really am an iptables expert :) [11:20] page is a little fragged but the domain name is good, [11:21] grazymax (n=grazymax@host204-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:22] KrAkOvIc (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/krak0vic) joined ##slackware. [11:22] KrAkOvIc (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/krak0vic) left ##slackware. [11:22] links are working [11:22] hey foooolks :) [11:22] sup [11:23] omnipotentduo: not what i asked but thanks anyway [11:23] KrAkOvIc (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/krak0vic) joined ##slackware. [11:24] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-25-3.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:24] thats what i am here for, heh [11:24] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-25-3.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:24] omnipotentduo: the port was sorta needed [11:25] moks107 (n=shim@77.69.241.170) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:25] anyone seen this error before doing anything with gconftool-2: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/9MHklQ72.html [11:26] I get it whenever I try to do anything [11:26] moks107 (n=shim@77.69.241.170) joined ##slackware. [11:26] gconf sucks balls [11:26] yep [11:26] why do we need it sw since there's no gnome? [11:27] isBEKaml (n=keml@122.174.126.83) left irc: "Leaving" [11:27] compatibility? [11:27] what do you mean "we?" it doesn't come with slackware by default [11:27] jigp_ (i=allan@ti500720a080-1509.bb.online.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:27] oh I though it did [11:28] no [11:28] must be an abiword dep then [11:28] quite possible. since abiword has various gnomecomponents. [11:29] guess I better not moan then ;-) [11:31] how about this one: QGtkStyle cannot be used together with the GTK_Qt engine. ? [11:32] I know what it means but not how to fix properly. [11:33] I'm updating all my slackbuilds for 13.0 but texmaker is being a pain [11:33] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl148-181.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:35] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host81-151-122-38.range81-151.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [11:35] does gtk-qt-engine run in 64bit? [11:35] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: [11:35] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-171-183.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:41] Quiznos, loadkeys? [11:41] yea [11:41] dive defakeymap not found [11:41] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left ##slackware ("sleep"). [11:41] given `-d' [11:42] C_Tux (n=tux@AMontsouris-158-1-3-142.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:42] well I guess no default keymap is set [11:42] wherever that might be set I've no idea [11:42] that's a filename; has been for years [11:42] defkeymap.map [11:42] Pig_Pen, what about silicon built molecularly? [11:43] v4nelle (n=Nelle@adsl1-236.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:43] Quiznos, I guess you have to copy your fav keymap to that file and put it in /usr/share/kbd/keymaps/... [11:43] ok [11:43] damn install/upgrade did things it should NOT have done [11:44] such as? [11:44] rm'ing files that were modifed; none of its business [11:44] it should [11:45] nothing, i just find it interesting and wanted to share it with the channel [11:45] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [11:45] Pig_Pen: wut? [11:45] I did see that upgrading xdm overwrote my settings/files but luckily I had made backups [11:45] that previous comment is pointed at maxote [11:46] Pig_Pen: nah, it's just that my screen died ='( [11:46] dive i'm just getting pissed at all the modified files which were just rm'd, nary a thank you very much [11:46] i will be quiet for a while, looks like a lot of slackers are working on some new problems as a result of a new slackware release (13) [11:46] no query; just fkn rm them [11:46] kernels and their src; lib/modules; keymaps; [11:47] Quiznos: always, always, always [11:47] bastages [11:47] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@138.195.146.147) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:47] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:47] Nick change: C_Tux -> Camarade_Tux [11:48] What's the port for torrents? I need to add that to my iptables. [11:48] grep torr /etc/services [11:48] Quiznos, if you upgrade a package it is meant to remove the old one and that goes for kernel, modules too. [11:48] yea that sux. [11:49] why? [11:49] modified files are speeshul [11:49] or should be [11:49] you had a custom kernel? [11:49] yes [11:49] custom keymap too [11:49] me too but it didn't remove them [11:50] did here [11:50] Quiznos: is the keymap still loaded ? [11:50] nop; i rebotted already [11:50] frankyp (n=m@c-67-182-208-26.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] you could have recovered it [11:50] not mine; i guess the in-kernel default is active [11:50] because I copied my kernel to vmlinuz-VERSION-custom or whatever [11:50] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:50] if you keep the name the same then it will get removed [11:51] guys i appreciate what all you're saying but the point is that the pkgtool scripts are flawed. [11:51] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-158-215-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:51] they are not flawed [11:51] when they rm files which are modified by user then the logic is flawed [11:52] how are they sposed to know if a file has been modified? [11:52] file dates [11:52] file sizes [11:52] new files [11:52] and if they had to check file dates/sizes for every package how long do you think it would take to remove a package? [11:53] especially kernel source... [11:53] every file doesnt need to be checked [11:53] when you compile a custom kernel you are supposed to rename it to something that differs from the stock [11:53] else then DONT REMOVE FILES. [11:53] same for keymaps [11:54] adrien (n=adrien@kami.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:54] it's not that difficult a policy to obey. [11:54] Quiznos: this isnt ubuntu [11:54] if you tell pkgtool to remove something, it will [11:54] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [11:54] hello i attempted to install and run opera today (32) and it says i need something related to qt, but im confused, i thought that was for 64 only? [11:55] qt-mt ? :D [11:55] Okay.. when people come in asking about Xorg + hal + Keyboard layouts in Slack 13.. there's a link to give them :) [11:55] https://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=13 [11:55] sorry.. s no longer reqd: [11:55] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=13 [11:56] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:56] invalid security cert [11:56] was that for me adrien? [11:56] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:57] vrisplov (n=vrisplov@Access.Denied.uk.to) joined ##slackware. [11:57] exit [11:57] vantech1 (n=art@216.6.155.17) left irc: "leaving" [11:58] Quiznos: services doesn't have a listing of torrent as a port. [11:58] missyjane: did you use a slackbuild? [11:58] bummer [11:58] dive: kill the S [11:58] (and add cacert's root cert to FF anyway) [11:59] spook, yes [11:59] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/network/opera/ [11:59] how can I specify in which order irssi should sort my tabs (for autojoin) [11:59] sfunny I thought I clicked the non 's' [11:59] i quote, "On x86_64, this requires the extra/kde3-compat/qt3 package." [12:00] spook hm, it said 64 only im on 32 [12:00] missyjane: maybe try it anyway? [12:00] spook i did, opera wouldnt run [12:01] Zordrak, some problem with 
 tags in 4th para
[12:01]  did you add it before you built the package?
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[12:01]   /usr/lib/opera-9.64/opera: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
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[12:02]  dive: thanks.. fixed.
[12:02]  that .so is in the kde3 compat package
[12:02]  hm i dont have the cd with me anymore..
[12:02]  dive: still getting used to WP formatting.. not keen on it.. always ends up so staccato, but hopefully i will get used to it in time
[12:02]  missyjane: try adding a symlink from /opt/kde3/lib/qt3/lib/libqt-mt.so.3 to libqt-mt.so.3.3.8
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[12:03]  i dont have the kde3 folder
[12:03]  its in that package
[12:03]  oh sorry where can i get the package?
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[12:04]  any mirror, in /extra
[12:04]  ok got it thank you spook
[12:04]  np :)
[12:04]  sorry if i asked this before but is it better to grab the video card driver from slackbuild or from nvidia itself?
[12:05]  the slackbuild points at nvidia i thought?
[12:06]  missyjane: this very much depends on what you want it to do
[12:06]  spook: yes, it does
[12:06]  out of curiosity, whats the nvidia-kernel for? all it says is it needs each other
[12:07]  you'd think there would be some standardization in information given in a whois query amongst different servers... some give only a range on their inetnum, some give CIDR, etc
[12:07]  http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/system/nvidia-kernel/
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[12:07]  missyjane: nvidia adds like... special support for like, acceration, by bypassing x.
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[12:07]  its to do with that, afaik
[12:07]  sounds difficult to setup
[12:08]  taiste
[12:08]   :)
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[12:08]  if you're interested in gaming at all you'll want the official nvidia driver
[12:09]  knnk indeed i am, ty :)
[12:09]  missyjane: the slackbuilds separates userspace and kernel-module installation
[12:09]  cant build anything right now, already trying to build qemu and wine at the same time
[12:09]  guys, me again, I'm having some issues with the network on the just installed 13... I tried setting the DHCP to yes on rc.inetd.conf, but now I get an error saying that "eth0: lease information file '/etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd/eth0.info' does not exist"
[12:09] Action: spook loves qemu/kvm
[12:10]  the driver comes as a binary installer on the nvidia site, so there won't be anything slackware-specific about it
[12:10]  the file is there, even though it looks very different from the one on this machine
[12:10]  missyjane: somebody on #slackware-fr just complained about the latest nvidia driver btw, arguiing previous versions worked better
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[12:10]  s/previous version/the version right before/
[12:10]  adrien, i think the older version does work better
[12:10]  i had that problem on 12.1 too
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[12:10]  jdevincenzo: its actually /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-eth0.info
[12:10]  might have been incompatability with something else, such as wine
[12:10]  actually ill stick to legacy then
[12:10]  "Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.17.3' but version of GLib is 2.16.6"  but cant find glib on slackbuilds.. what can I do?
[12:11]  ty for the warning adrien
[12:11]  missyjane: which card?
[12:11]  DralaFi: glib ships with slackware, obviously
[12:11]  DralaFi: nah, don't change that !
[12:11]   :D
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[12:11]  DralaFi: trying to build webkit/libsoup ?
[12:11]  what are you trying to build?
[12:11]  DralaFi: hahaha.  dont try to upgrade glib
[12:11]  the legacy drivers are older than the last driver missyjane
[12:11]  Requested 'gobject-2.0 >= 2.17.3' but version of GObject is 2.16.6
[12:11]  especially a 2.17 which means an unstable version
[12:11]  knnk i meant 173, not 185
[12:11]  spook: you're right, sorry for the typo, what can I do about that? never happened before, setting dhcp to yes alwyas did the trick for me
[12:11]  slackware's gtk stack is old
[12:11]  adrien 9600
[12:11]  missyjane: 185.18.14 works well here
[12:12]  thrice`, adrien, spook : trying to build inkscape but it's failing
[12:12]  missyjane: and you'd use legacy? 0_o
[12:12]  jdevincenzo: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart
[12:12]  missyjane: if you use kde4, go for the newer drivers
[12:12]  checking for GLIBMM... configure: error: Package requirements (sigc++-2.0 >= 2.0.0 glib-2.0 >= 2.17.3 gobject-2.0 >= 2.17.3 gmodule-2.0 >= 2.17.3) were not met:
[12:12]  hm...
[12:12]  DralaFi: get an older version of inkscape then
[12:12]  DralaFi: ok, stop pasting every error you find
[12:12] Action: missyjane is nervous that the newer one will break down on her like it did in 12.1
[12:12]  DralaFi: glib 2.17.3 is less than a month old
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[12:12]  if it does
[12:12]  spook: done that already, that's the point when the error pops up
[12:12]  get a slightly older one
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[12:12]  newer inkscape must require newer glib/gtk than in slackware 13
[12:13]  I'd still try the newest one first
[12:13]  jdevincenzo: slackware 13.0 and you havent done anything weird to it?
[12:13]  adrien, hmm I was under impression this was the gtk lib thingy
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[12:13]  should i install nvidia-kernel too?
[12:13]  no
[12:13]  DralaFi: it is
[12:13]  DralaFi: but gtk depends on glib
[12:13]  that is a gpl'd free implementation of a driver for nvidia videocards
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[12:13]  yikes ok
[12:13]  knnk: "nouveau" but no 3D accel
[12:13]  adrien: actually, glib 2.20 is the latest stable
[12:14]  thrice`: oh crap
[12:14]  it will not play your games
[12:14]  thrice`, DralaFi, oops, I had 2.21.3 in mind, but anyway, upgrading glib is a pain imho
[12:14]  slackware even provides 2.18.x in 13.0 ( a major version behind for all gtk components)
[12:14]  DralaFi: you must be on slackware 12.2
[12:14]  spook: what do you mean by "anything weird to it"? the second part of the error goes like this: "warn, eth0: using IP4ALL address [auto ip-address]"
[12:14]  upgrading glib is a breaker of machines
[12:15]  jdevincenzo: i mean playing with dhcpcd versions or configuration, or changing network scripts
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[12:15] Nick change: adrien -> C_Tux
[12:15]  thrice`, urgh! it was gtkmm i was trying to build because that's required for inkscape :( grr
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[12:15]  DralaFi: slackbuilds.org
[12:16]  inkscape is on there, so it all the packages it needs
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[12:16]  spook, thanks for saying the obvious ;)
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[12:16]  spook: nope, installed slack 13, entered rc.inetd.conf, changed dhcp to "yes", tried to restart, started to get the error
[12:16]  jdevincenzo: netconfig
[12:17]  spook, was using the 13.0 inkscape sbostuff
[12:17]  DralaFi: with slackware 12.2?  not going to work
[12:17]  one package installed already so that worked :/
[12:17]  DralaFi: i can't comprehend how stupid you are for expecting it to work
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[12:18]  spook, i think the 12.2 ones didnt work and I think that may be why I went for the 13.0 ones
[12:18]  greetings
[12:18]  DralaFi: i can't comprehend how stupid you are for expecting it to work
[12:18]  i had inkscape on 12.2, worked great
[12:18]  spook, i think the 12.2 ones didnt work and I think that may be why I went for the 13.0 ones
[12:18]  DralaFi: i can't comprehend how stupid you are for expecting it to work
[12:18]  :P
[12:19]  i can play this game all day
[12:19] Action: DralaFi slaps spook 
[12:19] Action: slackytude is on 12.1 and has inkscape
[12:19] Action: spook stabs DralaFi with a frozen eel and eats his liver
[12:19]  spook, but my liver has HIV!
[12:19]  :)
[12:19]  spook: same result after netconfig, how can it be that it says the file is not there if it is?
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[12:20]  so I have to waste another 2 hours getting inkscape for 12.2 working..
[12:20]  or upgrade to 13
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[12:20]  Not too sure about kde4 though, alot of little bugs compared to kde 3.5.10
[12:20]  superGear, it's not even out yet! (not in mirrors and not got my dvd yet)
[12:20]  jdevincenzo: and you're sure you didnt change anything?
[12:20]  um 13 is on some mirrors
[12:20]  you have to look
[12:21]  jonsmith1982: heh yeah. Personally I don't like kde4 as much as it was hyped to be.
[12:21]  everyone hates kde4
[12:21]  superGear, i had a look last night - no european mirror has the 64bit dvd last time i checked
[12:21]  spook: yeah I am, do you recommend to reinstall just in case?
[12:21]  jdevincenzo: maybe just the networkscripts and dhcpcd
[12:22]  spook: k, I'll try that now
[12:22]  amarok has lost some usability too.
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[12:22]  i'm seeing alot of probs with 13.
[12:22]  here
[12:22]  Quiznos: such as?
[12:22]  DralaFi, use the torrent, luke
[12:22]  upgradepkg --reintall iirc
[12:22]  DralaFi: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.iso
[12:23]  MoZes just read the room
[12:23] Action: MoZes scrolls back
[12:23]  slackytude, did that... pathetic 5KB/s download. Then with another client was max 17KB/s
[12:23]  Quiznos: well to be fair, DralaFi is trying to install inkscape for 13.0 on 12.2
[12:23]  superGear: no they dont
[12:23]  DralaFi: http://swtsrv.informatik.uni-mannheim.de/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/
[12:23]  spook yea, i got that. but there's alot of people tryin to get things to just work.
[12:23]  alienBOB: howdy.
[12:24]  http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware/slackware64-13.0-iso/slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.iso
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[12:24]  and i'm not counting my own probs except for the BUG in mc
[12:24]  Hi there BP{k}
[12:24]  there's a mirror with 13 64 iso
[12:24]  Quiznos: i dunno whats wrong, but it "works for me"
[12:24]  so yes there is Zordrak ;P
[12:24]  DralaFi: actually check http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/slackware-mirrors.shtml for a full list of good mirrors
[12:24]  Quiznos: seriously.. what problems?
[12:24]  spook good for you; but it's not happening for others.
[12:24]  hi alienBOB, long time no see
[12:24]  superGear: i mean "everyone" does not hate kde4
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[12:25]  Zordrak well i found a bug in mc that i wrote of here last night
[12:25]  alienBOB, BP{k}'s mirror is going nicely at a good 600+KB/s :)
[12:25]  its much better than kde 3.5.10 imo
[12:25]  i don't hate kde4 but it seems like 99% dislike it :|
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[12:25]  superGear: who are you polling?
[12:25]  superGear, "seems" :)
[12:25]  what bug Quiznos? MC is the perfect filemanager & text editor
[12:26]  I disliked kde 3.x but like kde 4.x
[12:26]  Pig_Pen, and faster.
[12:26]  superGear: there was some initial resistance, but everyone i know has found that its not as bloated as it first seemed and after the bugfixing really got underway.. its become a useful stable piece of software that MASSIVELY improves productivity if you use it right
[12:26]  my girl friend prefers 3.5
[12:26]  i love mc, it saved my butt several times, i use it daily
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[12:26]  people resist change
[12:27]  superGear: and it MUCH better than 3.5 because 3.5 was a group of components that tried to integrate with each other and failed.. kde4 is a much more integrated framework with a much better inter-prrocess comms system and it works pbloody well
[12:27]  especially us luddites
[12:27]  Quiznos: you're such a long-standing Slackware user? Surelyby now you would have known that the pkgtools overwrite modified system files
[12:27]  kde4 / orxg ??? has crashed a few times on me aready.
[12:27]  kde4 hasn't crashed for me
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[12:27]  i dunno what orxg is
[12:28]  anakondi crashes on me on laptop
[12:28]  has for me a few times
[12:28]  or akonadi whatever it is
[12:28]  crashed on me a little to start with when i was playing and configuring.. but since i stopped pissing around with every setting under the sun it's become very stable for me
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[12:28]  xorg/kde4 crashed for me on weird HxV resolution.
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[12:29]  ksirk doesnt work for me
[12:29]  WB missyjane
[12:30]  alright i forgot.. i installed it, then it told me to use nvidia-xconfig to set it up, after i did that it said to enable nvidia in /etc/X11/xorg.conf i dont know how to do that part
[12:30]  thank you superGear
[12:30]  What I dont understand is that even with a reasonable system, things start to crawl under kde 3 and/or firefox :|
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[12:30]  missyjane: honestly, for nVidia it is sanest to install the propietary driver using nVidia's downloadable installer
[12:31]  Zordrak, alright so no slackbuild then, just run it straight up?\
[12:31]  nvidia's driver is easy to install
[12:31]  openoffice was slow to update and did not respond to my move up page request
[12:31]  i installed it but i dont know how to enable it as it asked me to
[12:31]  missyjane: yes.. run installer.. and job done.. even configuires xorg.conf for you
[12:31]  nvidia-xconfig
[12:31]  superGear, it told me to enable AFTER i ran nvidia-xconfig
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[12:32]  alienBOB hihi; yes but i'm severly disappointed that i have to do all that work again.  call it ``tired of crap i really dont have to put up with'' :)  and it's a growing concern; i'm old enuf to give a damn and young enuf to still care.
[12:32]  i vaguely recall haveing to cp/mv the xorg.conf into place
[12:32]  then replace whatever driver with nvidia
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[12:32]  Zordrak, ok ty brb
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[12:32]  if the nvidias installer change to xorg.conf be picked up by xorg now that it is xorg.conf less?
[12:32]  this is all stuff nvidia have already taken care off
[12:32]  *of
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[12:35]  dive?
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[12:36]  Quiznos?
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[12:36]  dive oops, nm
[12:36]  Is it possible to upgrade to Slackware 13 without upgrading X? I need X.org 6.9.0
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[12:37]  you were right, thank you Zordrak
[12:38]  missyjane got a nvidia card now?
[12:38]  or a new pc/laptop
[12:38]  no, installed 13 but just got around getting the nvidia card after trying to play some games :X
[12:39]  So how many folks upgrade/intalled 13?
[12:39]  me :(
[12:39]  hm probably a lot of people
[12:39]  and of those who installed x86_64
[12:39]  32
[12:39]  i' 32bit
[12:39]  i think the only thing left is to get opera working but i have to test wine a bit
[12:39]  13 rules almost except graphics
[12:39]  Opera with wine?
[12:40]  I'm waiting for next weekend to upgrade since I want to switch to 64
[12:40]  13 graphics work fine for me
[12:40]  I'm stuck without 3D acceleration with X.org 7 :(
[12:40]  missyjane: no probs
[12:40]  superGear, no thats a separate problem, im just trying to get wine to run a game to see how it runs with the new nvidia driver
[12:40]  xlq, why?
[12:41]  intel?
[12:41]  ati/fglrx
[12:41]  even worse
[12:41]  sux
[12:41] Action: missyjane is taken back
[12:41]  holy goodness it works beautifully
[12:41]  yes indeedy
[12:41]  yeah I know, but it was working fine, and now it's not.
[12:41] Action: superGear refuses to buy ati/AMD video cards
[12:41]  what game missyjaned
[12:41]  Linux + nVidia = Win  (At the moment at least)
[12:41]  guild waras
[12:41]  It's no good telling me that now! :(
[12:41]  oh yeah guild wars looks great in wine
[12:42]  xlq: its been true for a couple of years now
[12:42]  xlq, go buy a nvidia card!
[12:42]  since about when the ati 9250s were released
[12:42]  or a laptop with nvidia
[12:42]  since like 5 years
[12:42]  ATi and Nvidia are brainhurts
[12:42]  9250s? I don't know my way around the ATI cards. I have here a X300SE.
[12:42]  xlq: about 5 years ^
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[12:43]  maybe longer
[12:43]  maybe
[12:43] Action: missyjane drools...
[12:43]  hi, trying to get Rogers wireless internet (USB) to work on slackware
[12:43]  what was wrong with 9250 ?
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[12:43]  I found a guide
[12:43]  DralaFi, nothing
[12:44]  and it says: Packages for PPP & wvdial need to be installed.
[12:44]  DralaFi, drivers sucked for linux tho
[12:44]  where do I find these packages?
[12:44]  Kiwi_: did you do a full install of slackware?
[12:44]  yes
[12:44]  n/
[12:44]  then you have ppp
[12:44]  DralaFi: it was the first one where the driver started to give problems and ati just couldnt give a toss about sorting them
[12:44]  wow works great too
[12:44]  te hardware is fine.. its the software where ati fail
[12:45]  superGear, yes years ago they sucked - i remember getting my friend's ati linux drivers installed about 5 years ago - a real pain. I thought they fixed all the issues now and are open sourcing drivers and making good installers... no?
[12:45]  no
[12:45]  I get a memory leak issue with wow+wine, have to restart it every hour or two
[12:45]  No..  they showed promise when they announced plans to open source
[12:45]  ATI is for windows!
[12:45]  but it never went anywhere and they still suck
[12:45]  except they are really slow with it
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[12:45]  No package 'gdkmm-2.4' found     ARGH
[12:46]  I have an X1800XT.. but even lilo cant handle it and prints green instead of black
[12:46]  ati is teh suck for linux
[12:46]  DralaFi: slackbuilds.org
[12:46]  full; stop
[12:46]  http://darkstar.ist.utl.pt/slackware/addon/slacky/slackware-12.2/network/wvdial/
[12:46]  spook, can I not slapt-get or emerge? :(
[12:46]  thank you!
[12:46]  DralaFi: GTFO
[12:46]  strange though, installing nvidia seemed to have added extra fancy stuff to my windows like blue-er decoration and see-through windows which i dont really, anyone can tell me how to get rid of that?
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[12:46]  slackpkg
[12:46]  missyjane: you dont WANT rid of that
[12:47]  missyjane: thats just demonstrating that DRI is working
[12:47]  its the default
[12:47]  superGear: I just download the .tgz and do installpkg?
[12:47]  sure
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[12:47]  http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=gdkmm&sv=12.2       <--- no gdkmm SBo  :(
[12:47]  Zordrak, oh
[12:47]  alright :D
[12:47]  missyjane: you can change your theme and stuff if you want and disable some of the features through the config menus.. but the see-through is literally your "god damn my gfx card works" sign
[12:47]  my slackware is somewhere between 12.2 and 13.0 btw
[12:47]  hahaha ty Zordrak
[12:47]  does 13 guest work on virtualbox 3.0.4 on 13 host?
[12:47]  Kiwi_: hahahahahaahahahahaha
[12:48]  maxote: works fine with kvm/qemu
[12:48]  Kiwi_, you could goto the src/ and d/l the slackbuild and such
[12:48]  maxote, it should
[12:48]  Zordrak DralaFi: GTFO   <--- you got the phrase wrong way round :)
[12:48]  um.
[12:48]  no.
[12:48]  i didnt.
[12:48]  OTFG
[12:48]  GET THE F* OUT
[12:48]  "tits or gtfo"
[12:49]  anyway - no package. what do I do now?
[12:49]  slapt-get is evil
[12:49]  17:46:21 < DralaFi> spook, can I not slapt-get or emerge? :(
[12:49]  DralaFi, make a package yourself?
[12:49]  ^^^ fail
[12:49]  DralaFi: fail
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[12:49]  computers are evil, everyone install slackware on an abacus
[12:49]  DralaFi--
[12:49]  Kiwi_, some people is backing from 13 to 12.2 because of particular problems
[12:49]  maxote: who? what problems
[12:50]  Kiwi_, i think you shouldn't move to 13 until 13.1
[12:50]  maxote: huh?
[12:50]  superGear, takes too long
[12:50]  now ppl are going to say don't use 13
[12:50]  wait for 13.1
[12:50]  lolz
[12:50]  I can't anyway, I don't have a working connection
[12:50]  well people are just stupid
[12:50]  ffs.. I am so sick of random upgrade FUD
[12:50]  BP{k}++
[12:50]  morning all
[12:51]  morning
[12:51]  morning
[12:51]  going to try to suspend to ram to test
[12:51]  little help =)   upgraded from slack 12.1 -> 13.0 (x86) everything worked, up to the point where i created my initrd! i think i messed up? even though I am not seeing where. turns out I AM using ext3 drive system... I followed README.initrd and used the ext3 suggestion, but used /dev/hda1 for my system
[12:51]  someone was too stupid to make their own stupid config work.. so they tell everyone the software is broken
[12:51]  hm its not doing anything
[12:51]  fnord0: compile ext3 and your storage driver into the generic kernel and you wont have to worry about an initrd
[12:51]  Zordrak: to add to that, and that it has tons of BUGS!
[12:51]  you know who i blame, xorg and the xorg developers and kde-4.x and the kde developers, nothing is evil, just buggy
[12:52]  missyjane: well, what did you do to try it out.
[12:52]  when i boot now choosing generic-smp-2.6.29.6-smp kernel, it dies @ initrd! says its dying @ mount: /dev/hda1 /mnt : no device found
[12:52]  why use an initrd?
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[12:52]  fnord0: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=8
[12:52]  i hit kicker, then went to the log out section then hit suspend to ram :|
[12:52]  initrd = fail
[12:52]  that is not my exact error, but very close... anyone run into this? i am trying now with the HUGE kernel...
[12:52] Action: slackytude can see the fnords ð_ð 
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[12:52]  fnord0: why use an initrd?
[12:52]  andli_: good question
[12:52]  andli_: see link
[12:53]  Zordrak: looking @ link, thanks!
[12:53]  missyjane: is that a kde thing?
[12:53]  man, after a release this channel sure is busy
[12:53]  yeah
[12:53]  slackytude: yeah, in a couple of months it dies down :)
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[12:53]  fnord0: am considering adding a (*super*)basic compile guide as well.. cos it takes no time at al to do it and once youve done one you have the confidence to do more
[12:54]  Camarade1Tux, connection issues?
[12:54]  spook: done! I found the error... gotta go now
[12:54]  slackytude: i was saying the other day,.. id love to +m the channel after a release and +v any nick thats been active/joinesd in the previous 3 months
[12:54]  agentc0re, yes i think so
[12:54]  missyjane: you can test it out by doing echo -n mem > /sys/power/state
[12:54]  Zordrak, heh
[12:54]  Zordrak: ohhh i know howto compile, I am getting that as the gist of the post =)
[12:54]  jdevincenzo: bye
[12:54]  Zordrak: thanks
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[12:55]  slackytude: nope, configuring irssi
[12:55]  Camarade1Tux, ah. boring!
[12:55]  slackytude: and this nick is already used ;)
[12:55]  Zordrak: fresh install, i was going with what pat suggested... via UPGRADE.txt, which seemed to be pointing me to use initrd
[12:55]  slackytude: but your nick is truncated here ! :o
[12:55]  (I right-aligned nicks)
[12:55]  Zordrak: i gonnna try with huge, if this no workie, i will go will manual compile
[12:55]  missyjane: you will probably want to be apart of the power group as well if you haven't added yourself to that.
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[12:56]  fnord0, well, I dont know why you got dissed for using an initrd. it is suggested to use generic kernel + initrd or recompile kernel
[12:56]  what is /dev/sr1?
[12:56]  slackytude: have you read my analogy to a starter motor for initrds?
[12:56]  Kiwi_: usually a serial ata dvd drive
[12:56]  Zordrak, not really, but still i works
[12:56]  it
[12:57]  Zordrak: heh, that sounds kind of funny.. what is it?
[12:57]  agentc0re: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?p=8
[12:57] Action: slackytude shrugs
[12:58]  It takes me all of 30 seconds to setup an initrd
[12:58]  recompiling the kernel takes me longer
[12:58]  so.. youre only gonna be kicking around on IRC while it compiles anyway :)
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[12:58]  heh
[12:58]  true enough
[12:58]  and if youre lucky enough to be running Xeons on sweet hardware.. compile is 5-7mins
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[12:59]  ok i didnt know how to resume from suspend
[12:59]  heh
[12:59] Action: ignored-girl likes to see another jane in this room
[12:59]  you aren't that wide actually
[12:59]  tayste
[12:59]  ignored-girl: if you compile your own kernel, there is an option to compile in your default resume-from partition
[12:59]  who's got the longest nick here?
[13:00]  yikes
[13:00]  ignored-girl, dont you have to push the power button?
[13:00]  ignored-girl: you dont have to use that.. its just a default.. but its useful
[13:00]  slackytude, i tried, nothing happened
[13:00]  to resume I mean
[13:00]  eh
[13:00] Action: slackytude just opens the lid of his laptop
[13:00]  anyone with a nick longer than 11 or 12 chars?
[13:00]  i think the normal way is "kernel.s resume="/dev/"
[13:01]  which you can add into lilo, or just specify at the lilo prompt
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[13:01]  my nick is 12
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[13:01]  if it doesn't even start up with the power button then you have some problem....
[13:02]  seems ok, I'm 12, ignored-girl too, you are
[13:02]  Army of the 12 characters :D
[13:02]  if you use lilo, the lino you're after is append="resume=/dev/whatev"
[13:02]  which means "alisonken1churc*" will be truncated :D
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[13:03]   :)
[13:03]  fuck
[13:04]  autojoin ok, autoid ok, what's left?
[13:04]  Kiwi_: \o/
[13:04]  ignored-girl: you will also probably need to add yourself to the power group.
[13:04]  wvdial: error while loading shared libraries: libuniconf.so.4.5: ...
[13:04]  has anybody successfully used rogers wireless service on linux?
[13:05]  old roge from next door? :)
[13:05]  it is overcast and cool out today, no precip on the radar
[13:05]  Kiwi, that error is not related to your particular isp, you need wvstreams
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[13:05]  agentc0re, bleh i forget how to do that
[13:06]  ignored-girl: vi /etc/group
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[13:06]  ignored-girl: add your user account to power,plugdev,audio,video and anything else that's obvious
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[13:06]  Kiwi_: whats the deak with rogers wireless? where are they? what kind of hardware?
[13:06]  /s/deak/deal
[13:06]  haha
[13:06]  vi >.>..
[13:07]  ignored-girl, Id like to answer you, but Im kinda ignoring you
[13:07]  ignored-girl: kedit, kate, whatever..
[13:07]  lol slackytude :")
[13:07]  you can also gpasswd -a USER GROUP
[13:07]  it's a usb modem
[13:07]  ty Zordrak
[13:07]  or vigr
[13:07]  like, from Ghost Busters
[13:07]  looks like a usb flash drive, but slightly bigger
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[13:08]  strange, i just got dissed from freenode
[13:08]  do you know what wifi chip is in it?
[13:09]  strange
[13:09]  did rogers supply you with it?
[13:09]  ignored-girl: man groupadd
[13:09]  i still have japanese words in my kde apps even though i set english as first, why?
[13:10] Action: metrofox will be right back
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[13:10]  Mornin guys!
[13:10]  -.-
[13:10]  ignored-girl: you need to restart x for it to have full effect
[13:10] Nick change: valkyrie -> Valkyrie
[13:10]  what has me stumped is why anyone would use a dialup tool on a usb wifi adapter
[13:10]  morning Valkyrie
[13:10]  kiwi link the website that you found the guide on
[13:11]  spook, i already did :x i in fact rebooted the pc
[13:11]  odd.
[13:11]  kind of like trying to use a hammer to turn a bolt
[13:11]  Pig_Pen: because thats how it works
[13:12]  might be a 3g modem pig_pen
[13:12]  ah, ok
[13:12]  the usb 3g/edge modem is just a serial device.
[13:13]  Kiwi_: post a link, i need to learn about this device
[13:13]  wonder if he could set it up like a rndis device
[13:13]  it uses cell phone bandwidth
[13:13]  it's expensive
[13:14]  Pig_Pen: are you old enough for the days of dial up?
[13:14]  in my case, I pay 36.95$ for 1gb of dl/ul
[13:14]  over-priced
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[13:14]  yes, i have an external serial modem in storage that still works
[13:14]  but I don't have a permanent residence, so it's useful
[13:14]  that is terribly expensive, the one placeit makes sense is when on the move...you basically are covered anywhere in your phone range
[13:14]  if you have 3g on your phone kiwi there is a chance you could skip having that extra device and just use your phone to do it
[13:14]  Pig_Pen: well the usb 3g/edge modem works the same way, except you have to select network first.
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[13:15]  http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/products/business_products.asp?features=4
[13:15]  omg...dose it make perfect scence that the DVD r/w drive dosent work on this vista machine?
[13:16]  rocket stick? or zte?
[13:17]  pci id
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[13:18]  I would just get "unlimited" mobile broadband added to my mobile phone package rather than getting a new contract.
[13:18]  Kiwi, is the box recognizing your modem? i.e. giving it a tty (say ttyUSBx)?
[13:19]  unless its a huewei e220 you're probally going to have problems
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[13:20]  Finally posted the link, but there are still questions!
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[13:33]  My hardware clock does seem to be initializing.. or something
[13:33]  doesn't*
[13:34]  it can't can't ;)
[13:34]  can anyone give a good link to how to setup Pine for a first time noob?
[13:34]  Hip, I ate it.
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[13:35]  http://dpaste.com/87386/
[13:36]  oh i think i accidentally it in the kernel
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[13:39]  hiptobecubic, the whole thing?
[13:39]  wow, pine's still around? it's very easy, 1st, pico is a basic editor....very simple to remember the commands. and hrmm, check the pine http, their user guide
[13:39] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0
[13:39]  huge kernel worked for me (no initrd) i like the fuctionality, going to stick wit it!
[13:39]  slackytude, yah
[13:39]  you can use "S" to setup your parameters
[13:39]  thanks for the helps everyone!
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[13:40]  GS, I would start in /usr/doc/alpine-* and see about any built-in help. Last I looked at it, [al]pine was pretty self-explanatory.
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[13:40]  hiptobecubic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs&NR=1  POWERTHIRST!!!
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[13:42]  eviljames: you're back \o/
[13:42]  agentc0re, ... jesus
[13:42]  And evil!
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[13:43]  slaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaackware
[13:43]  12
[13:43]  pssst. 13 is out.
[13:43] Action: i_is_cat kisses it goodbye
[13:43]  i'll miss you old buddy
[13:44]  uh.. Q.. worth switching from my month or so old version of -current to 13 or no?
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[13:44]  i've got two other machines i've got to upgrade from 12.2 but i'm not sure if i should do this one or not..
[13:44]  i installed wicd and when i run wicd-client as my current user it says there is an access denied error from dbus and to add my user to the netdev group. i added my user to netdev and still get the same error, what should i do?
[13:45]  restart the bus
[13:45]  logout and login again after group changes
[13:45]  hiptobecubic: GOD BERRY!
[13:45]  i_is_cat: just slackpkg update; slackpkg upgrade-all
[13:45]  hiptobecubic: :P
[13:45]  spook, awesome ty
[13:45]  i_is_cat: month old would be an rc, so you can cleanly upgrade to 13.
[13:45]  hiptobecubic: if you have any left, there is a second one.  powerthirst 2.  then it gets better with powerthirst hater edition
[13:45]  SHOCKOLOATE
[13:46]  With REAL Lightening!!
[13:46] Action: spook goes back to watching macgyver
[13:46]  SPORTS (RAWWWWW) SPORTS
[13:47]  400 BABIES!!
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[13:47]  Menergy!
[13:47]  lmao!
[13:47]  power sports bars
[13:47]  More lights than your BODY has room for!
[13:47]  i like the 'menergy' i dea
[13:48]  idea*
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[13:48]  They'll run as fast as Kenyans!
[13:50]  agentc0re, I got my xorg working automatically =)
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[13:51]  a750mhzslinky, what video driver?
[13:51]  agentc0re: s/kenyans/jamaicans/ ;
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[13:53]  the jamaicans have a bobsled team, i did not know there was snow in jamacia, if not where to they practice?
[13:54]  didn't know you where talking about bobsled :P
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[13:54]  ok i must go do some reading
[13:54]  take care everyone
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[13:55]  cya
[13:55]  a750mhzslinky: nice.  what did you do?
[13:55]  hiptobecubic, openchrome driver
[13:55]  openchrome?
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[13:56]  agentc0re, I had to comment a line out of the source from the latest svn version
[13:56] Nick change: fau__ -> fAu
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[14:04]  Pig_Pen, they made a movie about them
[14:05]  Pig_Pen, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cool_Runnings
[14:06]  i got to see that someday
[14:06]  lol
[14:07]  not a bad flick
[14:07]  wait you have not seen that movie yet man it has John Candy in it
[14:07]  one of John Candy's bet roles, imho
[14:07]  best even
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[14:08]  John Candy did some voices in Heavy Metal 1980
[14:08]  Any ideas what the python thing is doing at 15s? http://john.bitsurge.net/public/bootcharts/bootchart-eleanor-20090830_140613.png
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[14:11]  wicd is likely the culprit there
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[14:11]  hiptobecubic: dunno, I don't install dbus-python
[14:12]  (hint, hint ;) )
[14:12]  yeah, looks like wicd
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[14:12]  no, wait, wicd is later
[14:12]  hey do you change your font type?
[14:12]  y0 slackytude
[14:12]  wicd is the only thing that needs python, though
[14:12]  slackytude: I bet on dbus-python ;)
[14:12]  y0 Camarade_Tux
[14:12]  y0 fire|bird
[14:12]  hiptobecubic: tried uninstalling this package, I don't think wicd needs it
[14:13]  Camarade_Tux, could be
[14:13]  on my system, grep -i python /etc/rc.d/*   returns nothing
[14:13]  or just check the rc file starting dbus ?
[14:13]  yeah
[14:13]  yoyo fire|bird
[14:13]  I got my accents back \o/
[14:13]  ouééééééééé \o/
[14:14]  :; <=
[14:14]  [][] [][]
[14:14]  ßßßßß !
[14:14]  ö ä ü
[14:14]  heh
[14:14]  löl
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[14:15]  fire|bird: oh, I thought you had died ='(
[14:15]  Hey guys..
[14:15]  i tried to do
[14:15]  slackpkg install xfce4-goodies
[14:15]  valkyrie: not you again
[14:16]  so i could get the battery thing, and sensors and stuff for my lappy
[14:16]  Oh thanks, i feel welcome
[14:16]  Camarade_Tux: haha, nope, not yet, just Internet connection problems, again. :P
[14:16] Action: Camarade_Tux wonders what happened
[14:16]  valkyrie: oh i appologise for making you feel welcome.   I DONT LIKE YOU.
[14:16]  Noticed.
[14:16]  May i ask why? =P
[14:16]  fire|bird: your the Opera browser expert, to get flash working you just unpack the plugin to /usr/lib/opera/plugins ? or make sure opera knows about the flash plugin in seamonkey's plugin dir?
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[14:17]  valkyrie: i dont need to explain myself.
[14:17] Action: valkyrie Shrugs
[14:17]  oh crap, what happened while I was setting my irssi ?
[14:17]  i'm drunk.
[14:17]  Heh.
[14:17]  spook: again? :D
[14:17]  Camarade_Tux: i have to drink myself to sleep
[14:18]  K..but is there xfce4-goodies in slackpkg?
[14:18]  spook: that works too, I have another method
[14:18] Action: Camarade_Tux not there...
[14:18]  valkyrie: search
[14:18]  Camarade_Tux: do i need grub for boot chart?
[14:18]  Pig_Pen: Opera will, by default, look to Firefox's plugin directory, /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins, so it should see flash already, otherwise, I would put it in ~/.opera/plugins
[14:19]  O_o
[14:19]  bash-3.1# slackpkg search xfce4
[14:19]  No package contains the selected pattern.
[14:19]  bash-3.1#
[14:19]  Does anyone know why it seems to sleep for 5 seconds in the beginning? I don't remember it doing that back when i used grub.
[14:19]  spook: no, lilo works too, let me do a pastebin for you
[14:19]  valkyrie: just xfce
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[14:19]  spook: but promise me you won't try that until you're sober ;p
[14:19]  its a vm.
[14:19]  bash-3.1# slackpkg search xfce
[14:19]  No package contains the selected pattern.
[14:19]  bash-3.1#
[14:20] Channel flood from valkyrie -- kicking
[14:20]  O_o
[14:20] valkyrie kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood
[14:20]  yay
[14:20]  \o/
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[14:20]  hah
[14:20] valkyrie (n=valkyrie@S0106001d7ec03671.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware.
[14:20]  howdy BP{k}
[14:20]  hiptobecubic: grep sleep /etc/rc.d/rc.S
[14:20]  spook: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/T4OM4k28.html
[14:20] Action: spook hands slackboy a beer
[14:20]  valkyrie is in cowtown :O
[14:20]  xD
[14:20]  Yuppers
[14:20]  thrice`, it's before rc.S starts
[14:20]  hiptobecubic: same problem here but I don't think there is a difference
[14:21]  Why cant it find any packages tho?
[14:21]  O_o
[14:21]  valkyrie: try a slackpkg update first
[14:21]  valkyrie: trye "*xfce*"
[14:21]  Camarade_Tux, which problem? the sleeping?
[14:21]  hiptobecubic: yeah
[14:21]  did you populate the package database yet?
[14:21]  O_o
[14:21]  fire|bird: howdy :)
[14:21]  wha?
[14:21]  hiptobecubic: I'm not even sure it's not the bios
[14:21]  Camarade_Tux, mm maybe
[14:21]  valkyrie: don't use xfce, use "*xfce*" (with the * and the ")
[14:22]  valkyrie: you do realise that "xfce-goodies" is the name for a huge collection of various programs and plugins.
[14:22]  (thought the "wha?" was for me)
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[14:23]  Yes i do
[14:23]  Same thing
[14:23]  bash-3.1# slackpkg search *xfce*
[14:23]  No package contains the selected pattern.
[14:23]  valkyrie, you do realize that xfce has a symbol of a mouse, and i dont like mice right?
[14:23] Action: i_is_cat gives valkyrie the stink eye
[14:24] Action: spook stabs valkyrie with a frozen eel and eats his liver
[14:24]  mmmmmmm eel
[14:24] Action: i_is_cat bbq's it
[14:24]  Gah..
[14:24]  hiptobecubic: we need to do that collaboratively, every slacker seems to be playing with boot times on its own, we're all duplicating the work
[14:24]  bash-3.1# slackpkg search "*xfce*"
[14:24]  No package contains the selected pattern.
[14:24]  valkyrie: I believe there are only two of the goodies included with slackware: xfce4-power-manager and thunar-volman. If you need any others look at SBo.
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[14:24] Action: spook gets another eel out of the esky
[14:24]  Power manager is not.
[14:24]  i need that
[14:24]  and i need sensors
[14:25]  rworkma* has a slackbuild I think
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[14:25]  valkyrie: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/JwcDTM65.html <-- works for me.
[14:26]  valkyrie: ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64/xap/xfce4-power-manager-0.6.6-x86_64-1.txz
[14:26]  ok, was probably for 12.2
[14:26]  so it is included. You miserably and epically fail.
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[14:26]  valkyrie is using the wrong mirror methinks
[14:26]  I have obvously done somthing wrong..
[14:26]  Maybe
[14:26]  im using a canadian mirror?
[14:26]  there's your problem
[14:26]  someone know problems burgning dvd images in slack13?
[14:26]  s/burgning/burning
[14:26]  gabriel_, check the changes and hints text file
[14:26]  What mirror should i use?
[14:26]  O_o
[14:26]  you need to populate slackpkg's search first
[14:27]  valkyrie: also: http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=xfce
[14:27]  How do i populate slackpkg's search?
[14:27]  valkyrie: he already told you.
[14:27] Action: valkyrie Scrolls up
[14:27]  valkyrie: just run slackpkg on its own
[14:27]  the problem is with growisofs, it only go to 99% and later it show me I/O error
[14:28]  it should become self-evident what you need to do
[14:28]  i use the 'populatebitch' command and it just works
[14:28]  :O
[14:28]  slackpkg update  or something
[14:28]  i_is_cat: i punch cats to make stuff work
[14:28]  heh i still have my 12.2 installation, that way i can chroot and run firefox with flashplugin from there
[14:28]  yeah, flash doesnt' work on 13, it sucks
[14:28]  how to make alpine avoid trying to retrieve mails from [Opening "INBOX" \\]
[14:28]  flash works
[14:28]  spook, you have anger issues, hope you dont get grow lumps on your neck and get dropped in a bucket of green paint
[14:28]  of course it works!! :)
[14:28]  flash works fine for me, nerr nerr
[14:28]  <- x86_64
[14:29]  why wouldn't flash work on 13?
[14:29]  livebrain: me too
[14:29]  so?
[14:29]  thinkpad% file /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so
[14:29]  /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
[14:29]  there is flash for 64bit
[14:29]  it crashs my ff
[14:29]  and it works fine for me nerr nerr
[14:29]  that plugin
[14:29]  i had spook on ignore from the line i've read from his stuipd end.
[14:29]  then don't use flash!
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[14:29]  live w/o YouTube!
[14:29]  very negative personality
[14:30]  Is Slack 13 a GUI or a CLI install?
[14:30]  the 64-bit flash is perfect for me
[14:30]  dont really care that much about youtube
[14:30]  Ret: "yes"
[14:30]  Ok. i updated AGAIN
[14:30]  or pornTube or xtube or whatever
[14:30]  cli as always
[14:30]  Ret: ncurses
[14:30]  Still not finding
[14:30]  even after update
[14:30]  Change mirror?
[14:30]  suppose I should read up on how to install with cli then, eh
[14:30]  sure :)
[14:30]  Any suggestions on the mirror?
[14:30]  Ret: it's pretty easy, and menu-driven
[14:30]  valkyrie: ya, what mirror do you have uncommented?  and also make sure that you only have ONE uncommented too.
[14:30]  fucking growisofs!
[14:30]  Ret: it's the only way you can isntall, what's there to read up on? :)
[14:31]  valkyrie: which ever one is closest.  doesn't matter really.
[14:31]  Well I fail hard with installing VIA CLI... partitioning mainly.
[14:31]  lol
[14:31]  how to stop apline from retrieving mails from [Opening "INBOX" \\]
[14:31]  O_O
[14:31]  Ret: it's not hard really.. (c)fdisk to partition your disk, then run setup. It should be self-explanatory from there
[14:31]  tried to locate the mirrors file..
[14:31]  bash-3.1# locate mirrors
[14:31]  locate: fatal error: Could not find user database '/var/lib/slocate/slocate.db':  No such file or directory
[14:31]  Ret: its really easy and self explanitory
[14:31]  ah ok
[14:31]  thanks (:
[14:31]  valkyrie: man slackpkg
[14:31]  do I need all the disks or will just the first suffice for now?
[14:31]  valkyrie: siiigh.  /etc/slackpkg 
[14:31]  joe /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
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[14:31]  Ret: depends what you want to install :)
[14:31]  valkyrie: all conf's are going to be in /etc  so /etc/slackpkg/mirrors
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[14:32]  Nylex: For now I just want the OS and XFCE. Nothing fancy except for command line and whatnot.
[14:32]  y0 people, if you are new to slackware you might want to check in #slackware-newbie
[14:32]  dont install /kde/ then
[14:32]  install everything
[14:33]  mk
[14:33]  brb
[14:33]  remove what ya don't need later
[14:33]  This one is my current one uncommented
[14:33]  http://slackware.bgbits.com/slackware/slackware-current/
[14:33]  slackytude: ah, new people to abuse
[14:33]  slackytude: wth? :)
[14:33]  spook, fresh meat!
[14:33]  why another irc channel?
[14:33]  slackytude: i now own that channel
[14:33]  tried Ctrl+C Esq Ctrl+q with no use
[14:33]  XFCE is in xap, which is on CD 2
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[14:33]  how to stop apline from retrieving mails from [Opening "INBOX" \\]
[14:33]  ctl+c ?
[14:34]  BP{k}, thrice` just messin with their brainz
[14:34]  not stopping it
[14:34]  i_is_cat, is a serius problem i think
[14:34]  :(
[14:34]  Any suggestion on the mirror i should use?
[14:34]  CTRL-Z
[14:34]  as this canadian mirror is suckish
[14:34]  xD
[14:34]  valkyrie: utah.
[14:34]  tds is good
[14:34]  valkyrie: and change from -current to 13.0 mirror.
[14:34]  alpine 2.00
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[14:34]  i lost 2 dvd trying to burn with k3b and after with growisofs
[14:34]  im using 12.2...
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[14:35]  valkyrie: then why do you have -current?  are you trying to upgrade?
[14:35]  gabriel_, well i wouldnt really be the best help for that as im not running 13 yet, and the first system of mine to be upgraded does not have a cdrom on it
[14:35]  O_o
[14:35]  No?..
[14:35]  valkyrie: Then why is your mirror -current?
[14:35]  I had forgotten to run irssi in screen =/
[14:35]  i figured current would be..the current version im using
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[14:35]  valkyrie: AH...
[14:35]  this guy has the same problem http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/2nd-coaster-with-k3b-751164/
[14:36]  k3b on 13.0 is an svn pull of pre-alpha software.  don't expect much, if anything
[14:36]  valkyrie: No, -current is not your current version.
[14:36]  thrice`, i burng the dvd with growisofs
[14:36]  ....
[14:36]  and the same error
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[14:36]  Ok..
[14:36]  Yikes! linux is being laggy :/
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[14:37]  it's the bad luck of the #13
[14:37]  this seems like a silly question i suppose, but how do the slackware mirrors always have such nice index pages and not something useless like http://john.bitsurge.net/public/
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[14:37]  http://pastebin.com/m5620225b
[14:37] Nick change: Camarade1Tux -> Camarade_Tux
[14:37]  valkyrie: Change your mirror to a 12.2 mirror though for sure.  Or you'll upgrade to 13.0.  -current is the latest and greatest slackware has to offer but isn't an official release.  right now -current is 13.0.
[14:37]  Ah
[14:38]  Ya i switched
[14:38]  doing update
[14:38]  But ya, i dont have powermanager
[14:38]  e.o
[14:38]  and i need sensors, intel has a rep for overheating on me
[14:38]  -.-
[14:38]  you should have sensors
[14:39]  Unfortunatly, i dont
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[14:39]  thrice`, if you look, the problem is not begining in k3b, is growisofs
[14:39]  valkyrie: update will not UPGRADE your system.  I just want to make sure you understand that.
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[14:40]  upgrade-time
[14:40]  Camarade_Tux: how do you build the renderer?
[14:40]  when will 13.1 be out?
[14:40]  lol
[14:40] Action: superGear slaps slackytude 
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[14:40]  Yea i know
[14:40]  spook: you need the jdk+ants but you don't need to build it yourself, it's portable
[14:40] Action: slackytude  
[14:41]  spook, you trying to do bootchart?
[14:41]  jdk is in /extra  apache-ant is in sbo
[14:41]  do them in order
[14:41]  spook: I think http://pers.yaxm.org/bootchart.tgz has what you want
[14:41]  (mine)
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[14:41]  it only took me about five minutes to build and install everything for bootchart.
[14:41]  O_o
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[14:42] Action: valkyrie Trying to find powermanager or xfce4-goodies
[14:42]  Heh, not there
[14:42]  O_o
[14:42]  Hey. Anyone use sligdo for 13.0?
[14:42]  valkyrie, just get the slackbuild and get the newest powermanager anyway. it has some good things in it
[14:43]  Slackbuild for xfce4?
[14:43]  package called ant-contrib?
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[14:43]  Motoko-chan: what's this?
[14:43]  antiwire: MENERGY!!!!
[14:44]  400 babies
[14:44]  sooooooo fast
[14:44]  antiwire, 13?
[14:44]  camarade, a tool alphageek has created to build the ISOs from a full mirror
[14:44]  i've been using current for two years now
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[14:45]  sooo fast was referring to menergy
[14:45]  ah
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[14:45]  probably more than two years actually
[14:45]  Motoko-chan: most here use alienbob's script
[14:46]  Where is that?
[14:46] Action: pprkut wonders why the kernel's 'make xconfig' is still not ported to Qt4
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[14:46]  pprkut, lol?
[14:46]  Motoko-chan: my script will not create byte-identical Slackware ISOs. Only sligdo does that
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[14:46]  alienBOB, I thought so.
[14:47] Action: Motoko-chan is having a problem with the sligdo templates
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[14:47]  Motoko-chan, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh
[14:47]  nepenthe, ok
[14:48]  I was looking to build the officials
[14:48]  slackytude: apparently no one stepped up to port the damn shit over from Qt3 :(
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[14:48]  probably bceause noone actually uses xconfig ;)
[14:48]  Camarade_Tux: spooksoftware.com:3333/bootchart.png
[14:48]  thrice`: bah
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[14:50]  Looks like an old sligdo script
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[14:51]  antiwire: With real LIGHTENING!!
[14:51]  does slackware 13 support ext4 root partition?
[14:51]  Motoko-chan: where did you get the sligdo files from?
[14:51]  rohan: yes
[14:52]  And what version, 32bit or 64bit Motoko-chan?
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[14:52]  antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuNxHqwazs
[14:52]  :D
[14:52]  BP{k}: thanks. and the grub which it has in tree, does that support booting from ext4?
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[14:53]  spook: if you don't install fonts, don't run fc-cache in rc.M and if you don't install new apps or don't use double-click to open a file with the proper program, do the same to update-mime-database
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[14:53]  rohan: no idea sorry, I prefer lilo.
[14:53]  BP{k}: ah ok.
[14:53]  antiwire: Oh, meant to give this to ya the other day.  Cool series about Death Stars.  http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=B36D258C0F246ED5
[14:53]  anyone else know whether slackware grub supports booting from ext4?
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[14:53]  why wouldnt it?
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[14:54] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: 
[14:54]  becuase grub doesn't support booting from ext4
[14:54]  The Man of Rohan use Lilo
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[14:54]  join #linux
[14:54]  really?
[14:54]  really
[14:54]  grub sucks, end of story
[14:54]  Zordrak: because grub
[14:54]  ok thrice` said it
[14:54]  spook: why?
[14:54]  heh.. i knew it sucked.. but didnt realise is sucked that hard
[14:54]  i said end of story
[14:55]  and the ext4 patch for grub is quite invassive, I guess
[14:55]  rohan: lilo's your man
[14:55]  Zordrak: just like it won't build on 64-bit, or it wont' build on gcc4, etc
[14:55]  thats pathetic
[14:55]  i hate lilo, which doesn't support on-the-fly kernel parameter changing
[14:56]  rohan, huh?
[14:56]  uh? what?
[14:56]  thrice`: i have ubuntu 64-bit with grub that can boot from ext4.
[14:56]  slackytude, Zordrak : you need to re-run "lilo" each time you change the kernel parameters, right?
[14:56]  rohan: yes, because it's a) static, and b) patched-to-hell
[14:56]  you can give kernel params on boot
[14:57]  Camarade_Tux: spooksoftware.com:3333/bootchart1.png
[14:57]  even fedora wouldn't apply the ext4 patch to grub :)
[14:57]  thrice`, thats saying something
[14:57]  fedora 12 does.
[14:57]  11 did not
[14:57]  right
[14:58]  spook: gimme
[14:58]  it required ext3 for /boot, as the existing patches sucked and were dodgy
[14:58]  lilo is so old skool
[14:58]  Zordrak: ?
[14:58]  but its 64bit and boots ext4
[14:58]  how is lilo oldschool?  it's a BOOTLOADER, nothing more.
[14:58]  rohan: as old skool as slackware is
[14:58]  so it works
[14:58]  Zordrak: point :D
[14:58]  grub isn't native 64-bit/
[14:58]  its a bootloader.. it allows dynamic params.. what do you want?
[14:58]  its a bootloader
[14:59]  Zordrak, pixie dust!
[14:59]  it doesn't care what it boots, it just does it :)
[14:59]  spook: bootchart
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[14:59]  Zordrak: from which version onwards did it support dynamic params?
[14:59]  like, ever
[14:59]  Zordrak: how what
[14:59]  what he szaid ^
[14:59]  or i think it needs to be re-run after every new kernel entry, rgiht?
[14:59]  spook: what
[15:00]  rohan, yeah, so?
[15:00]  rohan: yep - those two are different.  and really, is it that difficult to do?
[15:00]  spook: what I don't get is the udevd madness or maybe thatit tries to probe lots of things
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[15:00]  it's hard to say for me since I always recompile my kernel
[15:00]  slackytude: so it's a pain, but not that much really.
[15:00]  (and strip everything not needed)
[15:00]  thrice`: nope, and to be frank i am missing lilo ;)
[15:00]  rohan: how often do you change the kernels around?
[15:00]  rohan: diff params you can pass at boot
[15:01]  you just enter lilo after editing lilo.conf. make a symlink or an alias for vililo="vim lilo.conf;lilo" or something
[15:01]  thanks, guess i'll stick to lilo. better than "downgrading" to ext3.
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[15:01]  rohan: good choice
[15:01]  Camarade_Tux, you dno't run udev?
[15:01]  just to refresh my memory please - where is lilo.conf stored?
[15:01]   /etc
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[15:02]  hiptobecubic: I do! but I have only a few modules so there is no need to probe for anything
[15:02]  Camarade_Tux, ah
[15:02]  It's tough to know what you need and don't need
[15:03]  slackytude: ty
[15:03]  np
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[15:03]  and what's the apt-get like tool which is "supported" and in tree? slacktrack?
[15:03]  rohan, slakpkg
[15:03]  Camarade_Tux: spooksoftware.com:3333/bootchart2.png
[15:03]  rohan, slacktrack is the chekinstall like thingyfor slackware
[15:03]  rohan, slackpkg
[15:04]  rohan, also, sbopkg
[15:04]  ok great.. slackpkg will inform me about security updates in -stable right?
[15:04]  yeppers
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[15:05]  rohan: well, it won't inform you, but it'll grab them as you request :)
[15:05]  suits me :)
[15:05]  sbopkg is slackbuilds.org i presume? i'm googling it now
[15:05]  no.
[15:05]  rohan, kind of.
[15:05]  yeah, ncurses frontend for it
[15:06]  spook: what have you changed ?
[15:06]  sbopkg != slackbuilds.org
[15:06]  sbopkg is a wrapper for slackbuilds.org stuff
[15:06]  err yeah i meant that
[15:06]  Camarade_Tux: commented out mounting non root local filesystems, sleep 3
[15:06]  and its good
[15:06]  Camarade_Tux: and that was all i swear
[15:07]  Morning
[15:07]  spook, but you're booting in qemu, does that have any sideeffects?
[15:07]  cacheing or something?
[15:07]  maybe, maybe not, its actually kvm not qemu
[15:08]  spook: he, how many non root local filesystems do you have? :o
[15:08]  and reiser?
[15:08]  Camarade_Tux: none
[15:08]  only 1 20gb ext4 /
[15:08]  wow testing has really new packages.. bash 4, linux 2.6.30.. nice!
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[15:08]  spook, what was boot time before
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[15:09]  dive: bootchart, 1 2
[15:09]  k
[15:09]  wow nice mplayer is now in tree! awesome!
[15:10]  i can't wait to try slack64 13.0
[15:10]  spook: using locate?
[15:10]  :)
[15:10]  0 1 2 3
[15:10]  holy fs
[15:10]  you will like it, rohan:)
[15:10]  Hey hitest, how's it going?
[15:10]  going well, fire|bird, ty, you?
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[15:11]  hitest: great, thanks. :)
[15:11]  Camarade_Tux: huh? no
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[15:11]  good to hear, man:)
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[15:11]  sbopkg is not in tree right?
[15:11]  no.
[15:11]  rohan: correct
[15:12]  what utility is used to determine video modes suported in slackware ?
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[15:14]  spook: was thinking it'd maybe update its database but it doesn't do that at boot actually
[15:14]  bbl
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[15:14]  Camarade_Tux: gonna recompile the kernel
[15:17]  monstro, rephrase your question
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[15:17]  monstro: which video card do you have?
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[15:18]  spook: still drunk?
[15:18]  rohan, VIA Technologies, Inc. P4M890 [S3 UniChrome Pro]
[15:18]  Camarade_Tux: yes
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[15:20]  spook: wish you lots of fun
[15:20]  thanks
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[15:22]  Warning to UK people.. I've just discovered how vile San Marco pizzas are. Standard pepperoni pizza: 9% Cheese Flavoured Analog, 7% Pepperoni, 6% Onion, 3% Actual Cheese
[15:22]  eeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[15:22]  NEVER BUYING AGAIN!
[15:22]  hehe :P
[15:22]  Cheese flavoured analog(!) WTF?
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[15:23]  alienBOB, back
[15:23]  I got the sligdo files from Alphageek's site.
[15:23]  As always
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[15:23]  http://connie.slackware.com/~alphageek/sligdo/
[15:23]  or
[15:24]  http://alphageek.dyndns.org/linux/sligdo/
[15:24] Nick change: peacenik1 -> peacenik
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[15:24]  monstro, gtf
[15:25]  dive, ?
[15:25]  dive, what ?
[15:25]  monstro, sorry that's or mode lines
[15:25]  for*
[15:26]  maybe xrandr
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[15:29]  Zordrak: cardboard for teh crust?
[15:30]  kmail used to be good :|
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[15:31]  what is the best way to get virtualbox in slackware? i don't want to compile the open source edition from sbo, i am looking for the "full" edition.
[15:31] Nick change: Lapmann -> Hermann
[15:31]  new game, get the highest load average you can
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[15:33]  rohan, then get the binary from their site
[15:33]  slackytude: yes, but does it support slackware out of box?
[15:33]  people in here used it
[15:33]  oh
[15:34]  works weel
[15:34]  *well
[15:34]  Camarade_Tux: ok, without any changes to the install.sh? i read on some forum post that it needs to be patched because slackware init system is different.
[15:34]  my high score so far, 124 by make -j building the kernel
[15:35]  rohan, slackware has support for SysV init style
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[15:35]  ok, guess i'll try it myself then, thanks
[15:35]   /etc/init.d
[15:36]   /etc/rc3-d
[15:36]  i was wondering, becauseof this post -- http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.virtualbox.general/65
[15:37]  but since it's 2 years old, i guess situation has changed after that..
[15:37]  Does slackware have the utils to mount HFS?
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[15:37]  Fatalnix: does the kernel?
[15:38]  I havent checked, probably not. I was sure about it so just checking before I got my hands dirty lol
[15:38]  wasn't
[15:38]  how does it work then, fuse?
[15:39]  I dn't think so
[15:39]  NyteOwl: No, cardboard would be more nutritious.
[15:40]  I'm boycotting San Marco and Goodfellas pizzas (same company).
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[15:40]  someone actually named a shop Goodfellas Pizza? :)
[15:40]  brand of frozen pizza
[15:41]  Fatalnix: http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/filesystems/hfs.txt
[15:41]  well technicly its HFS+
[15:41]  probaby run by some mafia wannabe that uses the F word a lot
[15:41]  yeah
[15:41]  Fatalnix: http://lkml.indiana.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0305.0/1603.html
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[15:43]  Pig_Pen: nope.. disgusting, cheap factory produced gunk - Northern Foods
[15:44]  rohan: nah, it'll work
[15:44]  Fatalnix: note that was 2003
[15:45]  it'll use rc.local
[15:45]  Fatalnix: also note that since apple are now effectively using a Unix kernel I cannot imagine it NOT being supported in linux kernel
[15:46]  well I'm possibly looking forward to playing around with puredarwin is why
[15:46]  seeing if I can't port some things with them
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[15:50] Action: spook sleep 32400
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[15:51]  spook: :)
[15:51]  Camarade_Tux: sssh i'm sleeping for 32400
[15:52]  anyone in here good with php or smarty template development?
[15:52]  dartmouth: me but i'm sleeping
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[15:52]  lol
[15:52] Action: dartmouth offers spook free beer
[15:52]  spook: minus 120 now :)
[15:53]  dartmouth: i'm awake what do you need
[15:53]  spook: you offered to give us free beer, right?
[15:53]  fake cheese made with vegetable oil, that cheap pizza sause that has too much corn syrup in it
[15:53]  Pig_Pen: ;)
[15:54]  much cumm in the pizza
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[15:55]  maxote: so that was _your_ pizza I delivered a few minutes ago?
[15:55]  woooooooo im on 13
[15:55]  spook: i pm'd you
[15:55]  dartmouth/cpunches:  first, I DONT LIKE YOU.  second, DONT PM ME WITHOUT ASKING
[15:55]  no, no, pizza was from an italian
[15:55]  third, fuck you.
[15:55]  yikes, what a dick.  so sorry I asked.
[15:56]  fourth, THERE I NO FOURTH REASON
[15:56]  fifth, noooo pooftas
[15:56]  spook: do you like me?
[15:56] Action: dartmouth stumbles, impressed with your brilliance, to go research how to do it
[15:56]  <3 monty python
[15:56]  spook likes nobody when he's drunk :)
[15:56]  Camarade_Tux: you're good, i like you.
[15:57]   \o/
[15:57]  spooky is 21?  holy.
[15:57]  even drunk grumpy people like me \o/
[15:57]  Camarade_Tux: no i just have no tolerance for people like cpunches
[15:57]  must be one of 'those'
[15:57]  no one likes cpunches.
[15:57]  (and girls say they enjoy talking to me, that I'm a good listener and that I'm funny :) )
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[15:57]  mmmmmmm pizza
[15:57] Action: i_is_cat eats the stuffed crust last
[15:58]  Camarade_Tux: i chaperoned a special needs adult for a while, once, and it's a hell of a task, especially if they drink.
[15:58]  Camarade_Tux: I pay them all to say that, they really can't stand you, but they love money, so.... :P
[15:58]  dartmouth: did you have to change their diapers?
[15:58] Action: spook sleep 32400
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[15:59]  Pig_Pen: no he started screaming at me on IRC so i just said fuggit
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[15:59]  fire|bird: spook five hours? :o
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[15:59]  Pig_Pen: he's like....autistic or something...
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[16:00]  dartmouth: probably wasn't that funny (special needs adult)
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[16:00]  my wife says i have animal instincts (whatever the heck that means)
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[16:00]  [ in bed ]
[16:00] Action: fire|bird runs
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[16:00]  Camarade_Tux: he's in channel, actually
[16:01] Action: spook sleep 32400 [ in bed ]
[16:01]  oh.  there he goes again.  breaking channel rules while screaming at people who don't.
[16:01]  Pig_Pen: she means the "animal instincts" dvd you have under your bed: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103696/
[16:01]  Pig_Pen: you eat with your mouth open and use the toilet wherever needed? :P
[16:01]  dartmouth: oh
[16:02]  lol, noooo,
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[16:03]  i gotta watch that movie, then maybe i will get an idea of what she means
[16:03]  Ok.. so there was nothing else other than a shake of Paprika to eat, so I eat the pizza..
[16:03]  Let me be clear:
[16:04]  I would rather lick my own scrotum after 13 unwashed weeks in Botswana than eat another San Marco Pizza
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[16:10]  Zordrak: humm... ok, we dont want to know what you do in Botswana with your scrotum... :)
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[16:14]  does anyone here have experience running oracle on slackware? I need to install it for my class
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[16:16]  berke: do you have a valid license?
[16:16]  berke: if you do, you can easily call oracle for support
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[16:21]  not that I know of, I was just trying to install the linux-x64 from their site, and the manual is incredibly long, was just wondering if anyone had succeeded with slackware before I undertook
[16:21]  http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=781 ^^
[16:22]  isn't there a free version of Oracle? Personal or something?
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[16:23] Action: metrofox_ is back and he's listening to Pink Floyd - High Hopes
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[16:23]  greetings and salutations
[16:23]  greetings andarius, how are you?
[16:24]  salutations fire|bird, i am well. you ?
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[16:24]  evening andarius
[16:24]  andarius: great, thank you. :)
[16:24]  afternoon Camarade_Tux
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[16:25]  metrofox_: high hopes for anyone caring about what you are listening to?
[16:25]  lol
[16:25]  lool
[16:25]  metrofox_: turn that script off, pelase
[16:25]  what?
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[16:26]  haha
[16:26]  metrofox_: turn your music script off.
[16:26]  i dont know that it was a script
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[16:26]  thumbs, I haven't a music script ;)
[16:26]  I don't think it was a script
[16:26]  I just wrote that
[16:26]  hi alienBOB
[16:26] Action: dartmouth just got shit-talked by a certain SOMEONE who is using a script, though....
[16:27]  Has anyone the new skype beta running on any version of slackware?
[16:27]  i have
[16:28]  it works fine
[16:28]  what version?
[16:28]  the newest
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[16:28]  32 or 64?
[16:28]  32 bit on -current
[16:28]  alienBOB, I don't know it's the right place but the gtk-qt-engine'slack-desc still contains references to KDE3 :)
[16:29]  dartmouth: ok, thanks. that helped a bit :)
[16:29]  I'm on 64 and skype segfaults
[16:29]  np
[16:29]  i still dont trust 64 bit on linux
[16:29]  but blame that on ignorance
[16:30]  dartmouth, I do ;) I trust more than Window$ about 64bit
[16:30]  pprkut:  what skype version is that?
[16:30]  now that i think about it, i usually pick windows 32 bit over 64 bit as well
[16:30]  soo, why does kde-4 need mysql? i thought mysql was a database for lamp setups
[16:30]  alienBOB: 2.1.0.47
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[16:31]  I run 2.0.0.72 on slackware64
[16:31]  Pig_Pen: its got a bunch of uses; not sure though
[16:31]  alienBOB: yep, that one works fine
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[16:31]  Pig_Pen: considering a mysql server isn't functional until you do some administration of it that sounds like a lame requirementr
[16:31]  the new beta was released just a few days ago
[16:31]  pprkut: what happens when you run it from the commandline, does it show any other errors?
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[16:31]  I won't install skype because it is not open source, and because I don't wanna install the 32bit emulation on slackware64 :)
[16:31]  hmm, i am considering giving in and doing a slack 13 install with the whole kitchen sink = including dbus. hal, mysql (stuff i normally omit)
[16:32]  metrofox: nobody asked you to do that
[16:32]  alienBOB: no, unfortunately not
[16:32]  Pig_Pen: the only really supported install is a full install anyway
[16:33]  how can i run netconfig for eth2?
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[16:33]  I don't install Skype becasue it's insecure heh
[16:33]  yeah, i guess i better do it that way, Slack is not like the old days where you can skip a few packages and kde will still work
[16:33]  what is insecure of skype
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[16:33]  pprkut: still no synaptics problem?
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[16:34]  Pig_Pen: i agree; we're almost at a point where a manual install is no longer viable
[16:34]  Camarade_Tux: I didn't have time yet to check
[16:34]  'expert' install, jeesh.
[16:34]  x1user: any application that incorporates code to enable it to bypass forewalls and proxies is defacto insecure.
[16:34]  pprkut: still have to reboot :D
[16:35]  add in the fact it uses systems as relay nodes etc and it's just a big red danger sign
[16:35] Action: Camarade_Tux still has three years of phdcomics to read
[16:35]  heh
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[16:36]  x1user: learn to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf for your eth2
[16:37]  I dont know what happen =( when I use X windows my keyboard is in english and in a TTY is in latam =(
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[16:38]  :-(
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[16:39]  x1user: run "man rc.inet1.conf" or read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network
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[16:39]  hm i have tons of logs in xchat2, what is the best way to prune em?
[16:40]  rm ?
[16:40]  nah..
[16:40]  hm...
[16:40]  just trying to think of a pattern
[16:40]  now there is a manpage that is handy to know about
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[16:40]  but what do you mean with "prune", whole channels, old messages, ...?
[16:41]  hm i must think about it
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[16:41]  missyjane: if you want to save space, you can just xz/gz them, that'll save *lots* of space
[16:41]  hum
[16:42]  the number of people seeding and leeching the slackware dvd iso is steady climbing
[16:42]  ciao mohaa
[16:42]  alienBOB, http://www.cups.org/
[16:42]  XD
[16:42]  wth
[16:42]  ciao metrofox_san  :)
[16:42]  macavity: needs more seeders?
[16:42]  ok, here goes, i am going to do a clean 13 install kitchen sink & all, wish me luck :)
[16:42]  Camarade_Tux, true :)
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[16:43]  Camarade_Tux: 610/324 and i am giving it all ive got.. so i think so
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[16:43]  Well there goes the kitchen sink. :P
[16:43]  Ive installed Slackware 13 but in X window my Latam keyboard doesnot work =(
[16:43]  In slackware 64, after installing flash (using the slackbuild in extra) firefox crashes on various flash sites (however youtube works) and I get this when it crashes: /usr/lib64/firefox-3.5.2/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 10870 Illegal instruction     "$prog" ${1+"$@"} Is there a way to fix this?
[16:44]  macavity: I'll start mldonkey on tomorrow for it, unfortunately that also means getting the iso
[16:44]  phoenix^: currious, when running seamonkey do you have the same problem?
[16:44]  mohaa: ?
[16:44]  macavity: but can't bittorrent also use ftp/http
[16:44]  Camarade_Tux: get the iso off an FTP mirror
[16:44]  macavity: got any link for my lazy ass?
[16:44]   :)
[16:44]  Camarade_Tux: hang on
[16:45]  alienBOB, sorry for the stupid invocation...
[16:45]  agentc0re: I didn't think to check seamonkey, the same happens with konq however, not sure what konq outputs yet though.
[16:45]  hm 40,000 files...
[16:45]  missyjane: 40k files where? :o
[16:45]  in ~
[16:45]  lol
[16:45]  Camarade_Tux: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware/slackware-13.0-iso/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.iso
[16:45]  alienBOB, http://slackbuilds.org/slackbuilds/13.0/desktop/QtCurve-KDE4/slack-desc  think it should be kde4  no  ?
[16:46]  agentc0re: seamonkey crashes do, I'll check what it outputs, if anything.
[16:46]  mohaa, I already told him ;)
[16:46]  mohaa: that slackbuilds.org, not slackware.com :)
[16:46]  (afaik)
[16:46]  mohaa: that would be a remark for #slackbuilds or for the slackbuilds-users mailing list
[16:46]  macavity: ok, downloading it
[16:46]  thanks  :)
[16:46]  agentc0re: /usr/lib64/seamonkey-1.1.17/run-mozilla.sh: line 131: 11257 Illegal instruction     "$prog" ${1+"$@"}
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[16:47]  after slapkg upgrade-all my wan card dissapeared? i dont see it even in ifconfig -a, should be the new kernel?
[16:47]  SomeOne knows how i Can Set up my Keyboard to Latam in an Terminal works but in KDE no!=(
[16:48]  agentc0re: Hmm, konq isn't seeing the flash plugin, so that doesn't crash.
[16:48]  any idea how to install the closed source broadcom wireless wl driver in slack? i need it for my crappy wifi card.
[16:48]  macavity: I have a computer that I can keep up longer than the other on average but that may reboot from time to time, which one should I seed from? hmmm
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[16:49]  Camarade_Tux: the one that is on the most
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[16:49]  phoenix^: ya, it goes in a different place for konq.
[16:49]  phoenix^: no idea where though as i don't use that POS.
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[16:50]  macavity: even though the downtimes?
[16:50]  agentc0re: yeah, usually konq looks to FF's plugins
[16:50]  and we should make a slackware-iso seeder team
[16:50]  phoenix^: Oh.. i didn't know that.
[16:50]  agentc0re: maybe you would if you now and then tried that POS. :P (j/k)
[16:51]  heheh
[16:51]  agentc0re: opera doesn't crash, it just doesn't load the flash stuff
[16:51]  Camarade_Tux: that is exactly what we are doing :P
[16:51]  yet sees the plugin
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[16:52]  i found a site that showed a easy way to use mv to change files from .whatever to .old in an easy way.  something like mv foobar.new{.old} or something.  that way you didn't have to do mv foobar.new foobar.old
[16:52]  phoenix^: weird...
[16:52]  macavity: "we"?
[16:53]  phoenix^: this is a fresh install too right?
[16:53]  macavity: almost 500KB/s and a bit more than 2 hours left
[16:53]  Camarade_Tux: so far the two of us together constitutes a small team :P
[16:53]  agentc0re: i think zsh has some tricks to do that easily, but i usually run a for loop in bash
[16:53]  macavity: ^^
[16:53]  agentc0re: yeah
[16:53]  macavity: I can maybe get a few people to seed that
[16:53]  agentc0re: maybe you are thinking of ${envvar%.old}.new
[16:54]  Camarade_Tux: oh i got around ~1MB/s from ftp.slackware.no when i sucked it down :P
[16:55]  923 to be precise
[16:55]  macavity: I usually get >600KB/s and I'm a bit further away and my down is only 800KB/s-ish
[16:56]  rg3: I honestly don't remember how it went.  maybe that was it though.
[16:56]  crap, erotic movie on tv next, need to get up and grab the remote
[16:56]  lol
[16:56]  agent, you might be thining mv foobar{.old,.new}
[16:56]  need more volume huh ?
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[16:56]  *thinking, this expand, via brace expansion to "mv foobar.old foobar.new"
[16:57]  mancha: Thats it.
[16:57]  ok, poked a few friends for seeding
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[16:57]  mancha: Thank you.
[16:58]  man
[16:58]  np. just beware, many a file have died from buggy expansions
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[16:58]  eclipse let itself out everything, on my desktop, in ~, in my /, everywhere
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[16:58]  eclipse SUCKS
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[16:58]  mancha: Oh really?  that's weird.  Wonder why that is.. hrm..
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[16:59]  o.o
[16:59]  missyjane: :)
[16:59]  eclipse is unique, it is simultaneously some of the best and some of the worst software in existence
[16:59]  Hello!
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[16:59]  Zordrak, :)
[16:59]  missyjane: try giving kdevelop a spin
[16:59]  Thar
[16:59]  xD
[16:59]  missyjane: or kate ;-)
[16:59]  i am, im deleting stuff in ~ for clean ups
[16:59]  mancha: Ah, just remembered where i found it too.  http://www.commandlinefu.com
[16:59]  i went from over 150k files to 40k
[16:59]  hi guys, could you explain me if slack is better than arch linux and why ?
[16:59]  after slapkg upgrade-all my wan card dissapeared? i dont see it even in ifconfig -a, should be the new kernel?
[17:00]  vix google it
[17:00]  "arch vs slackware"
[17:00]  I was actually going to ask a similar question to vix
[17:00]  vix: "better" is as subjective a term as they come
[17:00]  missyjane: many articles but nothing is better than personal experince
[17:00]  we don't have a slack vs * documentation?
[17:00]  vix: personally i think Arch is a pita/pos, yet my buddy loves it.. and i maintain that we are both right
[17:00]  um those articles are composed of personal experience
[17:01]  vix: simply because we expect different things from a distro
[17:01]  how about learning-distro
[17:01]  as in, you WANT a distro that expects that you RTFM?
[17:01]  someone told me: arch is like slack without the waste of time of dependencies
[17:02]  no way
[17:02]  arch has rolling releases and is outright unstable at times
[17:02]  ofc macavity but not a manual that doesn't explain what i am doing (ubuntu expertience)
[17:02]  vix: arch is different from slack in many ways
[17:02]  vix: you're boring. Try it yourself
[17:02]   missyjane: many articles but nothing is better than personal experince <<<< live up to your own words please
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[17:03]  vix: MrBlueSky: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=slackware+linux&word2=arch+linux
[17:03]  vix, you did the same question in another channel, don't ask it again...
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[17:03]  vix: slackware has good documentation, and require you to understand what is going on
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[17:03]  macavity++
[17:04]  vix: it does, however, not always have the latest and greatest/flakiest
[17:04]  metrofox: whick channel ? I think maybe you are wrong
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[17:04]  macavity: what about the dependencies resolution is it as boring and useless or is it something educative ?
[17:04]  that depends :P
[17:05]  ahahah
[17:05]  if you insist on not having a single package onboard that you dont strictly need, then it will turn boring
[17:05]  personally just do a full install
[17:05]  short of the howtos and emacs :P
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[17:05]  37004 9416 7120 R   98  0.3   0:18.21 kio_trash
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[17:05]  what is going on? kio_trash = 100% cpu
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[17:06]  so i rarely need to do any dependency tracking at all
[17:06]  that is one of my greatest sins, (insisting on not installed what i dont think i need)
[17:06]  and when i do, it is usually something i want to understand anyway
[17:06]  missyjane: are you deleting anything?
[17:06]  agentc0re, of course! but most of them are small stuff
[17:07]  well thats why
[17:07]  you're deleting, what... 40k worth of files?
[17:07]  no
[17:07]  im not lol
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[17:08]  i HAVE 40k worth of stuff
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[17:16]  hi, i'm using slack 12.2 and avidemux to edit home movies. does anyone here know how to build a title so that i can insert it at the beginning of my movie?  i make a jpg with gimp, but it's only 1 frame long. i've googled this and asked in the avidemux # to no avail. can anyone point me into a direction?
[17:17]  hehe, this is great.  http://pastebin.com/d50c9b91d
[17:17]  change your zip to your own zip.
[17:18]  agentc0re: very nice, thank you :)
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[17:19]  andarius: hehe, found it on comandlinefu.com  change it so that it had top and bottom spacing so the output could be easily read.
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[17:21] Action: dhw waves to $channel
[17:21]  oops
[17:21]  blkdg, you could use a dvd menu?
[17:21]  fire|bird: http://tinyurl.com/ms5488
[17:22]  anyone around that can help me fix my issue, I have to use a slackware install disc to mount my hard drive so I can fix my kernel mistake.
[17:22]  blk, you can use mencoder to make a still image into a clip of xyz frames long
[17:22]  jonsmith1982, sure. but all i need is white text on a black background . which app are you suggesting?
[17:22]  that or ffmpeg.  i think you can specify when to insert something into a video by specifying the times.
[17:22]  Hmm trying the 13.0 i386 dvd here but installation end up with OOM killer starts to kills xz  and other needed programs
[17:22]  oo slackware 13 is out
[17:23]  agentc0re: I love how they get the offset :P
[17:23]  rachael: how much RAM does that computer have?
[17:23]  Camarade_Tux: hehe.
[17:23]  i have mencoder installed, but the man page is daunting. i will look at it again.
[17:24]  agentc0re: hey, cool. thanks.
[17:24]  blkdg: i'd just google for it instead.  probably find better examples.
[17:24]  anyone using 13.0 yet?
[17:24]  fire|bird: Wasn't sure if it would help you in the end or not... I know you already got it up and running.
[17:24]  Motoko-chan: I am creating an ISO for slackware64-13.0 at the moment, using sligdo - nothing weird, it works. Do not forget to download the newest sligdo script, though!
[17:24]  i'm usieng 64bit 13.0
[17:24]  I suppose it's worth starting over
[17:24]  agentc0re: the other way is to install an additional file you have to compile by yourself and which you need to run with LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/opt/vbox if you use the non-ose vbox ><
[17:25]  agentc0re: yeah, I still have the windows partition on that drive, but the most of the drive is now slack, but that command will come in handy eventually.
[17:25]  how can you make Slackware make a different type of backup than *~?
[17:26]  alienBOB, 1.25GB
[17:26]  bbl
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[17:27]  ok thanks for the direction!
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[17:29]  lol.. it is so fun to see how people on slashdot gives slackware crap because they dont understand the simplicity
[17:29]  agentc0re: Now that you mentioned commandlinefu, I'm looking on there and found a command that may help me with something I've been trying to do.
[17:30]  fire|bird: nice!
[17:30]  macavity: link?
[17:30]  commandlinefu is very nice but I keep on forgetting about it ='(
[17:30]  yay, share ratio of 1.0 of the slackware dvd iso
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[17:30]  agentc0re: This is probably insane, but I've been downloading all the wallpapers at interfacelift. :P All 1,750 of them. :D
[17:30]  it's like firefox, I have alzheimer
[17:30]  macavity: i would say it is not the simplicity they do not understand. it is the lack of "here, let me do that for you"
[17:30]  fire|bird: ^^
[17:30]  agentc0re: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/08/28/1057219/Slackware-130-Released
[17:31]  andarius: and the lack of the "oh, i broke it for you.. but that's a feature"-feature
[17:32]  dpkg --reconfigure sucks
[17:32]  argh, my eyes, macavity!
[17:32]  yay it's downloading faster now
[17:32]  i am not sure i wouldsay a compression change is a "new package format"....
[17:32]  it seems Slackware is missing from docs from /usr/doc like the complete docs on gcc, libc, some libraries on the system, etc..
[17:32]  andarius++
[17:32]  macavity: thanks :D  hehe.. i have bad karma on /.
[17:32]  lol
[17:33]  alienBOB: just about what you said before: noone and i say NOONE force you to answer question, if you think people is boring keep that for you or it's very probably that YOU gonna make me bored with your useless words
[17:33]  O_O
[17:33]  agentc0re++
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[17:35]  this was a great thing to come back to
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[17:35]  :D
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[17:36]  vix: please understand that this channel sees _many_ people like you, asking the very same question why Slackware would be better than Distro X
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[17:36]  Since this is ##slackware, the answer will be by default: Slackware is better
[17:37]  no
[17:37]  Slackware is BEST
[17:37]  unlike your english.
[17:37]  "emacs vs. vi" and "slackware vs. $DISTRO" *does* tend to be kind of boring :P
[17:37]  Oh I thought you were going to say online
[17:37]  err
[17:37]  only
[17:37]  macavity: yeah, everyone agrees vi(m) is better
[17:37]   -_-
[17:38] Action: macavity chases Camarade_Tux up a tree
[17:38]  Camarade_Tux++
[17:38]  :D That makes me laugh
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[17:38]  BP{k}, someone could ask about yet another distro... but unless it is said Slackware is best one has to say it is better than each specific distro
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[17:39]  y0 slackers....How's everyone?
[17:39]  yoyo MLanden
[17:39]  craving for booze! :P
[17:39]  MLanden eh
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[17:39]  is slackware better than mac os x? and what about winMe?
[17:39]  y0 MLanden, how are you?
[17:39]  y0y0y0,Camarade_Tux
[17:40]  alienBOB: this doesn't allow you to give that useless answers, and maybe I've asked that here because I would like to know some arch experiences from slackware users not just "y slack rocks!" and since there is no rule stopping people from do that you can just don't mind them
[17:40]  yo^4 MLanden
[17:40]  Quiznos eh \m/ O \m/
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[17:40]  MLanden, it's ok, how are you? :)
[17:41]  chilled for the afternoon thanks,fire|bird
[17:41]  Camarade_Tux: two morons counting on their toes is better than WinME :)
[17:41]  vix: alienBOB is an OP in this channel, so he can technically do exactly what he pleases ;-)
[17:41]  vix: this is the deal. You stop asking boring questions, then I stop giving useless answers
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[17:41]  vix ask someone else.
[17:41]  Great to hear,metrofox....smooth for the twilight,thanks..:D
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[17:42]  macavity: alienWHO? ;p
[17:42]  macavity: plus he has bob on his side -_-
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[17:42]  macavity: if He makes that rule I'll respect It, and if He thinks that he must ban me for this is not so different from a child behaviour
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[17:42]  s/child/childish/g
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[17:42]  Sure I am op here, but I will not devoice vix - he's done nothing wrong
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[17:43]  Quiznos, sed? :)
[17:43]  Bob stop poking the user
[17:43]  vix: here is a nickle: if you ask someting, and alienBOB gives you an answer you dont like: dont listen ;-)
[17:43]  metrofox whaever floats your boat
[17:43]  blkdg, still trying? i have your cli
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[17:44]  macavity: even morre he is a op he shouldn't give that "usefull suggestions"
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[17:45]  vix: Maybe you should stop your useless bickering.
[17:45]  anyway I'll hope you will be more patient alienBOB as a doctor must accept all patients you should accept all kind of users as op
[17:45]  ooo.. fight
[17:45]  Zordrak, nono
[17:45]  vix; resign as pseudo-troll; you're not ready yet. :)
[17:45]  agentc0re: maybe i'll do when i want
[17:45]  lol
[17:45]  so bye guys
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[17:45] Action: MLanden hands Zodrak a programme ... :D
[17:45]  aww
[17:45]  ther's so much to teach him
[17:46]  some ppl cant hack trolling
[17:46]  that's it! it's people-hacking
[17:46]  lol
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[17:46]  Quiznos, lol
[17:46] Action: Quiznos writes that down.
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[17:46]  Quiznos: lol....good for the health channel's forum...:D
[17:47]  agentc0re: randomly re: far above:: bashcurescancer.org
[17:47]  MLanden and bastards ban me for that too
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[17:48]  Quiznos: always worth a go anyways...;P
[17:48]  http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=84116&REMEMBER=checked LOL  [.. in bed]
[17:48]  alienBOB, actual seems it doesnt get to activate swap on /dev/hda6 because of that dev is missing in /dev dir
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[17:48]  MLanden "power corrupts"; even percieved or alledged power corrupts.
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[17:48]  tends to...
[17:49]  agentc0re: hahaha
[17:49]  rachael run /dev/MAKEDEV
[17:49]  in /dev
[17:50]  Quiznos: true
[17:50]  MLanden and alleged power comes from, is received by fraud and fear
[17:50]  just say NO, and HELL NO.
[17:50]  heh
[17:50]  Quiznos, is durring instalation runnin the ramdisk
[17:51]  agentc0re: try http://www.thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nome%2Calaska
[17:51]  what is?
[17:51]  is it standard that a non-root user (admin) does not have permission to create a directory in /tmp?
[17:51]  lee, nope
[17:51]  no
[17:51]  lee__ : no, that's abnormal
[17:51]  lee__ that's incorrcet
[17:51]  consensus
[17:51]  Better than a sharp stick in the eye.
[17:51]  LOL
[17:51]  haha
[17:51]  that's always good.
[17:51]  lee chmod +t /tmp; chmod 777 /tmp
[17:51]  memory leak durring installation from the 13.0 i386 dvd
[17:51]  chmod 1777 /tmp <- in one step :)
[17:51]  lee thatll fix up /tmp
[17:51]  rachael: come again?
[17:52]  the 1 is a neat flag
[17:52]  lee__ chmod 1777 /tmp
[17:52]  ownership of /tmp is root.rood
[17:52]  ty ananke
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[17:52]  root.root
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[17:52]  agentc0re: only place I could think of that might not be fucking hot..lol
[17:52]  lee__ : question is, what are the permissions to it now?
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[17:52]  ls -ld /tmp
[17:53]  macavity, the installer is running out of memory, so OOM killer starts killing random processes, like xz , setup , sh and others running durring installation
[17:53]  rachael nothing should be running unless you're guru.
[17:53]  ownership is still root.root, but perms: drwxrwxrwt
[17:53]  lee thats good
[17:53]  lee__ : the perms are correct. were they like that, before you ran chmod?
[17:53]  thanks .. normal for a plain sw 13 install?
[17:53]  what _was_ it though or is it too late for that?
[17:54]  Quiznos, what do you mean ?
[17:54]  that were
[17:54]  rachael: I can install Slackware 13.0 in as little as 64 MB of RAM
[17:54]  lee__ thats normal for all linux distros
[17:54]  they were
[17:54]  ah .. wasn't sure .. thanks.
[17:54]  with those perms a non-root user should be able to make a dir there
[17:54]  rachael only a guru can do a uprade without following directions in UPGRADE.TXT
[17:54]  :)
[17:54]  after boot on slackware32, I use about 30MB of ram
[17:54]  lee__ : reason why we ask is because broken perms on /tmp may be an indication of another, bigger problem
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[17:54]  installing software should be done as root normally?
[17:54]  (right after boot)
[17:55]  Quiznos, installing with booting up on the dvd
[17:55]  ok
[17:55]  lee__: sudo installpkg
[17:55]  lee, you won;t be able to otherwise unless you're uinstalling to your home dir
[17:55]  well, i have slackware-13 running famously sweet, after looking it over i have to eat my words again!! xorg, kde4 all look nice, if i was not such a stubborn old man :D
[17:55]  lol
[17:55] Action: Zordrak passes the salt
[17:55]  just adding a couple of packages, using slackbuilds, and thought I would try as admin instead of root .. that's how I came across this issue.
[17:56] Action: MLanden high fives Pig_Pen
[17:56]  lee__: use sbopkg
[17:56]  lee__: which requires root anyway
[17:56] Action: NyteOwl wants to install Slack 13 in 32 M of ram and a 215m HD complete with KDE :p
[17:56]  lee, it might have borked on the changing of the perms/ownership which some builds do
[17:56]  lol
[17:56]  yea right
[17:57]  slack 3.3
[17:57]  8.3 will fit I think
[17:57]  er 8.2
[17:57]  NyteOwl: sure, don't forget the swapfile -_-
[17:57]  NyteOwl: Geez, still dreaming that your PC will even support that much ram and large of a HD huh? ;)
[17:57]  dos3.3
[17:57]  I mean, swapfile on an external scsi drive
[17:57]  dos3.3's dream box
[17:58]  NyteOwl: when you manage to do so, please write up a nice tutorial, ok? :P
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[17:58]  macavity: sure thing :)
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[17:58]  i guess i am too much of a luddite, but i have confidence Pat V. can drag me kicking & screaming in to the future with slackware13
[17:59]  lol if you're such a Luddite, then wth are you doin with any electricity?
[17:59] Action: NyteOwl is a member of SFROGOS
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[17:59]  my computer wont run on candle light ;(
[17:59]  lol hypocrit
[17:59]  Pig_Pen: your books do :P
[17:59]  yeah :D
[18:00]  Pig_Pen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOyTEdQIlKs
[18:00]  eviljames: currently watching something about an island in thailand and the private healthcare, they're showing how different hospitals fight and all race for people who get car accidents and are making a hell of money
[18:00]  Society For the Restoration Of GNOME On Slackware
[18:00]  hah
[18:00]  evening
[18:01]  hi
[18:01]  hey nachox
[18:01]  greetings nachox, how are you?
[18:01]  y0 nachox
[18:01]  guys, my non-english-speaking friend asks: on fresh slack13 install after logout (in init4), X fails to restart, instead of kdm it falls to the console -- what to check ?
[18:02]  where's your friend? online here?
[18:02]  Camarade_Tux: kinda like lawyers?
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[18:02]  no, he is not :|
[18:02]  ok
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[18:02]  YU1IS so he's using a dm but it's not restarting X when all x clients have quit?
[18:03]  YU1IS peek /var/log/X.log
[18:03]  okay... i'll transfer :)
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[18:04]  okay .. trying to fix the line drawing on mc via putty .. which is it, a setting on putty, or on the host box?
[18:04]  thanks Quiznos
[18:04]  MLanden: except they don't seem to care at all if you die
[18:04]  yw
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[18:04]  NyteOwl: what? where?
[18:04]  that sucks,Camarade_Tux
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[18:05]  hey during one of my pruning, i find this .mcoprc, .xcompmgrrc, .mailcap, lesshst, what are these files?
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[18:05]  leave them files alone
[18:05]  Hello :)
[18:05]  -- Pink Floyd
[18:05]  hah!
[18:05]  was that to me Quiznos?
[18:05]  tech support from the 1500's
[18:06] Nick change: bller -> Bller
[18:06]  leave them .files alone -- PinkFloyd
[18:06]  so is alienBOB's slackbuild for vlc pretty much good to go for 13.0 (prebuilt packages say 12.2)?
[18:06]  Quiznos: lol.....hey,teacher!!
[18:06]  MLanden knowledge "is wasted on the young"
[18:06]  okay, how about how do you find the character set the box was set to?
[18:07] Action: MLanden gets more wasted...:D
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[18:07]  a750mhzslinky: only one way to find out...
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[18:07]  why don't I have beer? :o
[18:07]  http://www.cato.org/tech/tk/090828-tk.html
[18:07]  ^^ nice read
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[18:08]  does kde-4 have active desktop borders so when you bump the left or right edge of the screen with your mouse/cursor is switches screens
[18:08]  lusers
[18:08]  mel you're the chief. lead us.
[18:08]  lol
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[18:09]  fire|bird damn amateur trolls
[18:09]  i know! where are the good trolls, we have not had a good troll in a long long time
[18:09]  damn...congo line refused...;_;
[18:09]  Pig_Pen wthell am I? chipped beef?
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[18:10]  a toasty sandwish
[18:10]  Pig_Pen: KDE Menu, System Settings, Desktop, Screen Edges
[18:10]  creamed chip beef on toast aka SOS
[18:10]  Pig_Pen, Window behaviour advanced tab
[18:10]  :p
[18:10]  hi, in slack 12.2 i use konqueror when i need to alter my browser identification to IE. does dolphin do the same thing?
[18:11]  wth is dolphin?
[18:11]  guys... Today my PC was too hot, 85°C
[18:11]  Quiznos: the default file manager in KDE4
[18:11]  o
[18:11]  an aquatic mammal, member of the toothed whale familt ;)
[18:11]  I'm asking help, I was compiling a new kernel but I can't do that...
[18:11]  metrofox: give it some water
[18:11]  well, dolphin is a file manager, so not sure why you'd want to ID it as IE :)
[18:11]  andarius, yeah, funny :D
[18:11]  metrofox i told you earlier today to put little somethings under the backside of lapy to lift up alittle bit
[18:11]  :)
[18:12]  blkdg: dolphin is NOT a browser, just a file manager. :D
[18:12]  Quiznos, no... When I finished to compile my kernel(I stopped that) temperature is now 50°C
[18:12]  i need to use a site for work and it will only play nice if i use konquere masqurading as IE
[18:12]  thanks fire|bird
[18:12]  so konquerrr is still there?
[18:12]  yes
[18:12]  yeah, window behaviour > advanced tab > active screen borders, thats the one!
[18:12]  metrofox: Does the fan sound like a ferret in an air conditioner?
[18:12]  thanks again for the help folks.
[18:12]  thanks!
[18:12] Action: nix_chix0r is a happy chix0r now
[18:12]  lol ferret
[18:12]  you can do it with firefox, with a plugin called user agent switcher, also
[18:13]  knnk, oh, cool
[18:13]  Monk is dancing
[18:13]  Pig_Pen: haha, I don't even have that one, but I'm on 4.3.0
[18:13]  hey nix_chix0r, how's it going?
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[18:13]  MLanden, tha fan doesn't work..
[18:13]  *the
[18:14]  ok; so in the last few days, i've mentioned old flicks and movies; i found Logan's Run, and a forgotten scifi tv series too;
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[18:14]  !
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[18:14]  I have a copy of Logan's Run, and the book
[18:14]  that's the problem, with this kernel fans don't move...
[18:14]  cool flick,Quiznos....Michael York
[18:14]  gotta find _BlazingSaddles_ and the Redford and what's his name movies (2) that they did together
[18:14]  MLanden yea
[18:14]  they removed "active desktop borders" on 4.3.0? thats going to suck when i move to that someday
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[18:15]  NyteOwl kool
[18:15]  NyteOwl google "logans run movie"
[18:15]  what's the workaround for it of active desktop?
[18:15]  Pig_Pen: Well, I don't think so, it's just now where I referenced above. Do you have the settings in system settings I mentioned?
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[18:15]  Quiznos: you talkin' 'bout Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid?
[18:15]  MLanden OH! the Sting!
[18:15]  them two
[18:16]  sweet flick,Quiznos
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[18:16]  defin.
[18:16]  is there any page of workarounds for the slack 13?
[18:16]  macavity: 50 minutes left for the iso
[18:16]  maxote lol not yet
[18:16]  maxote it was just released
[18:16]  give us a damn minute!
[18:16]  lol
[18:16]  Quiznos: they're remakeing it? probably ruin it
[18:16]  and just crashed
[18:16]  aww man; really?
[18:16]  salad dressing dude...Paul Newman...:D
[18:16]  a750mhzslinky: my vlc package should work on 13.0, I will build the next version on Slackware 13.0. The 64bit vlc package works on slackware64 of course
[18:16]  fire|bird: yeah, i have that cube thingy going on when i go to the top/center
[18:17]  byteframe damn, i cannot imagine Sting with PC overtones at all
[18:17]  rofl
[18:17]  NyteOwl
[18:17]  my laptop wa burning...
[18:17]  *was
[18:17]  How do I creat a file of size 3920214016 bytes using the `dd' command?
[18:17]  Pig_Pen: ok, yeah, I don't know what happened, but I don't have that setting you have in Window Behavior. :P
[18:17]  metrofox go buy a new lappy fan base
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[18:17]  metrofox: was it a Dell?
[18:17]  i hope they put that back in, that is my favorite desktop effect, even fvwm does that
[18:18]  Quiznos, nono, there's no need... My laptop worked fine with slackware 12.2's kernel and with 2.6.30.1 compiled by me...
[18:18]  metrofox it wont hurt
[18:18]  mel_, count=1914167 bs=2k
[18:18]  80C is too damn hot
[18:18]  now there's something with this kernel that makes me problems...
[18:18]  Quiznos, 85°C
[18:18]  that's not better
[18:18]  get a new fan base
[18:18]  Thanks!
[18:18]  80C on what? CPU or GPU?
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[18:19]  cpu i think
[18:19]  Quiznos, fans work good with Win!(I hadn't to say it...)
[18:19]  yikes
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[18:19]  ViN86, CPU
[18:19]  turn that off
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[18:19]  nono
[18:19] Action: Quiznos shudders
[18:19]  now temperature is 50°C
[18:19]  80 is WAY too hot
[18:19]  oh 50 is acceptable
[18:19]  that's like 190F
[18:19]  ViN86, 85°!!!
[18:19]  80C is above hysteresis for most CPU's.
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[18:19] Action: MLanden hands everyone marshmellows and sticks...:D
[18:19]  lol
[18:19]  \o/
[18:19]  yay wo0t
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[18:20]  yay melted cpu
[18:20]  My intel processor was getting my MotherBoard LOL
[18:20]  thought some of the Intels run at 80-85 overclocked without problems but you need a damn good HSF setup
[18:20] Action: agentc0re turns on Ricky Martin music
[18:20]  i am working on a submerged computer, it has been done, but i have everything minus a pump and the mineral oil
[18:20] Action: agentc0re runs frantically towards redtricycle
[18:21]  DOMO HARDO'GEI!!!!!!!
[18:21]  Intel used Hafnium for their Pentium-M
[18:21] Action: MLanden sticks with T.Rex...:D
[18:21]  Quiznos, byteOwl.
[18:21]  HOOO!!!
[18:21]  hey how come truecrypt isnt on slackbuild?
[18:21]  byteframe that too
[18:21]  YOU'RE ALL INTERCHANGABLE TO ME!!!
[18:21]  agentc0re: HEY, turn that crap down. :P
[18:21]  truecrypt needs a license
[18:21]  fire|bird: :P
[18:21]  i thought it was opensource/free?
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[18:22]  have you never tasted an intel soup?
[18:22]  intel CPU's have a thermal throttle anyways i think
[18:22]  and.. im not sure, how does superkaramba work in kde4? i still have homemade stuff for superkaramba in 3 that i want to use in 4
[18:22]  13.0 looks sexy. the extra intel xorg driver packs is good idea.
[18:22] Action: MLanden was thinkin' of Menudo for some reason...lol
[18:22]  amd's do
[18:22]  omnipotentduo: they didnt used to lol
[18:22]  ah, truecrypt, the disk encrypting thing? that is free, i was thinking about the fonts that are named similarly :P
[18:22]  However with slackware 12.2 and my 2.6.30.1(old) kernel fans worked fine!
[18:22]  classic tom's hardware test, amd vs intel with no hsf attached lol
[18:22]  missyjane: never tried superkaramba in kde4, it has plasmoids now and that's what I use.
[18:22]  with win they just work fine!
[18:22]  metrofox: intel soup?
[18:22]  i remember i went through 6 or 7 K6's when they first came out
[18:22]  the amd started smoking
[18:23]  <- is all about AMD
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[18:23]  MLanden, ;)
[18:23]  it is time for a LISP kernel
[18:23]  lol
[18:23]  LoS
[18:24]  nooooooooooooooo
[18:24]  EmacsLinux!
[18:24]  i wanna combine Forth and $kernel
[18:24]  two file distro
[18:24]  lambda Calculus GNU/Linux
[18:24]  lol
[18:24]  gnu/hurd.  'nuff said
[18:25]  gnu/turd?
[18:25]  fernel? kernorth?
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[18:25]  it's Linux, the Penguin's Jeez!
[18:26]  would -j 5 make make modules_install go faster?
[18:26]  on multicore only
[18:26]  it wouldn't
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[18:28]  MLanden Fleenooky
[18:28]  MLanden Fleenooks
[18:29]  Quiznos: Fleenooky sound good....good double entendre..\m/ o _|n/
[18:29] Action: ViN86 drools over tacos
[18:30]  ViN86: won't the shell get soggy?
[18:30]  spook: no
[18:30]  How do I manually upgrade from Zipslack (Slackware 11.0) to Slackware 12.2?
[18:30]  MLanden: yea thats why i moved my plate out of the way ;)
[18:31]  the truename of Linux is Freax
[18:31]  I have the Slackware 12.2 DVD.
[18:31]  why not?
[18:31]  MLanden: what do you prefer, corn or flour tortilla?
[18:31] Action: MLanden points ViN86 to metrofox's laptop to use the drool efficiently...:D
[18:32]  corn is no longer food
[18:32]  haha thats 80C on a laptop? i believe that's called a stove
[18:32]  either are good,ViN86
[18:33]  i used to prefer flour, but if you heat up the corn ones, damn theyre good
[18:33]  comfort food...unless,there's too many peppers....>:o
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[18:34]  love mexican food, i can do some awsome things with chorizo
[18:34]  hear ya,Pig_Pen
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[18:34]  chorizo con jevos
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[18:35]  <- lives in dallas and eats more mexican food than he probly should
[18:35]  and mix with hamburger to make lots of things, tacos, burritos, encheladas
[18:36]  reminds me of Sheriff Buford's Diablo sandwich
[18:36]  Guys, temperature is now 45°C
[18:36]  it's the carbs one must decrease consumption of; balance.
[18:36]  hmm I eat the heck out of tacos
[18:36]  ...
[18:36]  I don't know..
[18:36]  have any of you guys played with frugal?
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[18:36]  what about a penguin with a fro?
[18:36]  Roscoe P. Coltrane
[18:36]  guh guh guh
[18:37]  say it aloud
[18:37]  omnipotentduo: tried it once...wasn't pleased
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[18:37]  MLanden: i made my own hot sauce couple weeks ago, 8 jalapenos, 4 habaneros, 1 onion, 1 clove garlic, 16oz tomatos
[18:37]  its got some kick, but its good
[18:37]  swet!
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[18:37]  sweet,ViN86
[18:37]  hehehe /sbin/reboot just segfaulted
[18:37]  ViN86 omg that's so simple
[18:37]  spook strace it
[18:37]  with -o file
[18:37]  MLanden: so it's not as modular as slack
[18:38]  Quiznos: yea just put it in a blender on puree
[18:38]  nice
[18:38]  i made an enchelada casserole once when i had a big bag of corn chips i just lined a casserole dish with a few corn tortillas and mixed corn chips with hamburger spiced up with chorizo and enchelada sauce toped with graded cheddar and baked, it was tasty
[18:38]  Quiznos: it segfaulted just before rebooting
[18:38]  then heat it on the stove til it bubbles, add 1tbsp white vinegar, and cool it
[18:38]  ok
[18:38]  omnipotentduo: no
[18:38]  not really something i could strace
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[18:38]  Quiznos: heat it outside though, cause it forms a nice pepper spray cloud lol
[18:38]  heh
[18:38]  wear goggles
[18:39]  or a face fan
[18:39]  MLanden: i was looking for slack and a package manager that's like arch's
[18:39]  zeee goggles, zey do nosing!
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[18:39]  Quiznos: yea if you have some lab goggles around heh
[18:39]  ViN86: add a little thyme and oregano to that sauce and you've basically got macavity's salsa sauce
[18:39]  ViN86 improvise
[18:39]  omnipotentduo: slackpkg
[18:39]  ViN86 constructin gogg
[18:39]  spook: yeah i know
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[18:40]  macavity: yea, a little cilantro too and leave the tomatoes chunky and it would be an amazing salsa
[18:40]  Rotel's tomatoes & green chili is great
[18:40]  feel the burn...:D
[18:40]  mmm i lub daburn
[18:40]  bland food is for babies
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[18:41]  warm enough to make tears and sweat
[18:41]  lol i recompiled the kernel, and it increased the boot time.
[18:41]  Quiznos: if you make it, make sure you warn your roommate if you have one, because im pretty sure he will think youre trying to blow up something
[18:41] Action: Quiznos shudders
[18:41]  lol
[18:41]  if you wear construction goggles in the kitchen
[18:41]  cant share food like that
[18:41]  -=-=-= HOT FO0D =-=-=-=-
[18:41]  spook: does slack support .debs/rpm's and stuff like that?
[18:42]  (like WET PAINT)
[18:42]  theres a converter for them.
[18:42]  alien pkg
[18:42]  rpm but i DO NOT reccoment installing rpm files willyNilly you could end up overwriting stock system files and break things
[18:43]  i think it's in the distro tree somewhere
[18:43]  i have been away from slack since 2002/3, i got used to arch
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[18:43]  traitor :)
[18:43]  yeah but i am coming home to my first ever linux distro, now that there is 64 bit support
[18:43]  i have been a Slacker since 1995
[18:43]  tried to install mugen64 last night, omg what a failure...
[18:43]  made first contact with linux in 1993
[18:43]  OpenOffice is in rpm one you unpack it, that is a safe package to install
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[18:44]  omnipotentduo: didnt you see slamd64?
[18:44]  been awhile since I messed with MUGEN
[18:44]  yea it hates 64-bit systems
[18:44]  i made first contact when i was 14, then got a 64 bit processor and slack wasn't there
[18:44]  omnipotentduo: didnt you see slamd64?
[18:44]  i didn't really look into slamned
[18:44]  how big is everyones ~?
[18:44]  omnipotentduo: i do recommend checking with slackbuilds.org first before installing any rpm files
[18:44]  and how many files?
[18:44]  missyjane: errr :D
[18:45]  they might have what your looking for
[18:45]  anyone have dev/mga_vid ?
[18:45]  missy not that big.
[18:45]  missjane: dangerous question...
[18:45]  wise idea, i am partial to .debs
[18:45]  lol
[18:45]  spook: still awake? :o
[18:45]  Camarade_Tux: couldnt sleep
[18:45]  how big is what? --------------==================>
[18:45]  ViN86, how? Camarade_Tux i already know yours, i want to know everyone elses
[18:45]   ^^
[18:45]  not enough booze
[18:45]  ew.. LQ DB Fail
[18:45]  spook, you must be very boring, no music, nothing?
[18:45]  not happy right now,missyjane...:D
[18:45]  spook when ya gonna share?
[18:45]  anyone have dev/mga_vid ?
[18:45]  missyjane: on the machine i'm on right now, in a vm, not much
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[18:46]  on the machine i guess, how big?
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[18:46]  on the host, well, lets just say it has 4 x 1tb disks
[18:46]  4tb
[18:46]  really?
[18:46]  how many files?
[18:46]  2tb. raid10
[18:46]  nice
[18:46]  dunno, how do you count files?
[18:46]  1 .. 2... 3...
[18:46]  missyjane: everything does not have to be on the computer, i do have a regular stereo AM/FM reciever for music, and a television for movies :D
[18:46]  Quiznos: about one inch
[18:46]  spook  fdup?
[18:47]  cacarade_tux ew
[18:47]  lol
[18:47]  BP{k}: pfft, you're doing it wrong. :P
[18:47]  Quiznos: "<      Quiznos> how big is what? --------------==================>" -_-
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[18:47]  that's aleast 100 pixels long
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[18:48]  agentc0re: zomg, you're ridiculing me! ;)
[18:48] Action: quasar yawns
[18:48]  BP{k}: LOL
[18:48]  Trivia: where the word "pixels" came from and what it means?
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[18:48]  spook: are you running that in mdadm+lvm or just using one or the other?
[18:49]  its mdadm raid10 -l f2   then lvm on top.
[18:49]  Pig_Pen, bah boring!
[18:49]  currently 1tb of xfs
[18:49]  if i add more disks i can non-destructively grow all the layers
[18:50] Action: MLanden strangly thinks of Little Britain and the innkeeper shouting little light sprites..:D
[18:50]  boring??!
[18:50]  spook: Nice.  I have something similar with 6x750Gb disks in raid 1 w/mdadm then i stripe it all in a LVM.
[18:50]  spook: using jfs myself.
[18:50]  spook: is that all?
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[18:50]  Zordrak: so far.
[18:50]  spook: Ive told you about the new file server, right? :)
[18:50]  Zordrak: is it for work or home?
[18:51]  work
[18:51]  doesnt count
[18:51]  course it does.. its on slack :)
[18:51]  Zordrak: your raid61 (essentially)?
[18:51]  yeah
[18:51]  raidsuck1
[18:51]  heheh
[18:51]  at home everything is single disk with offline duplicated disk
[18:51]  raidXMLcrlf
[18:51]  spook: jealous much?
[18:52]  i'm quite happy with my raid10 -l f2 preformance.
[18:52]  spook: what do you get for hdparm -tT ?
[18:52]  good Q
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[18:54]  agentc0re: http://spooksoftware.com/blockspeed/   raw blockspeed tests in megabytes/s
[18:54]  i think i figered out the ultimate end-of-life get-away plan;  build a space-plane with a solar sail and travel to aCentauri.
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[18:54]  i cannot wait for the day when i can install voice-controlled GNU/Linux with satellite internet on my wristwatch, maybe even clothes, and 'thinking cap' with a BCI (http://www.bci-info.tugraz.at/)... oh, and GNU/Linux on a calculator
[18:55]  lol
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[18:55]  heh
[18:55]  get the new nokia phone, gnu/linux on your phone! without having to jailbreak it etc
[18:55]  lol
[18:55]  going to be fun to enter awk things through voice
[18:55]  agentc0re: sda (raid1 slack): Timing cached reads:   9778 MB in  2.00 seconds = 4894.08 MB/sec :: Timing buffered disk reads:  364 MB in  3.00 seconds = 121.28 MB/sec
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[18:55]  sweet digits
[18:55]  spook, that sounds fun, but i prefer calculators more than phones
[18:56]  agentc0re: sdb (raid6 3TB store) :: Timing cached reads:   9692 MB in  2.00 seconds = 4850.82 MB/sec :: Timing buffered disk reads:  874 MB in  3.00 seconds = 291.30 MB/sec
[18:56]  where is .eg TLD?
[18:56]  eg is the shortness of "EGYPT"
[18:56]  Zordrak: are the drives in the 6 a sata?
[18:56]  someone from .ru tried to telnet
[18:56]  wikipedia
[18:56]  ty rachael
[18:57]  why? rachael is faster
[18:57]  heh
[18:57]  yeah.. a mix of WD and seagate
[18:57]  lol
[18:57]  hehe ersatz bot :)
[18:57]  :)
[18:57]  Zordrak: what kind of drives?
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[18:57]  macavity, maybe we need a lolbot
[18:57]  Hi, I'm trying to get xfce-notify to react when I turn capslock on/off, but when I go into the settings manager and set up a shortcut, it only recognizes the capslock key, and not whether I'm turning it on or off. There a way to have the software react according to whether I'm turning capslock on or off?
[18:57]  the name Rachel (and variant spelinks) is #1 on my list of favorite names list.
[18:57]  Zordrak: i get about the same buffered reads with my 10 at home.  i think it's more like 250... i'll do it again once i have my motherboard back in from rma.
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[18:58]  mm gender prob
[18:58]  lol
[18:58]  i get crappy results but i'm doing a lot of other stuff
[18:58]  let's ressurect the quizbot?
[18:58]  lets not
[18:58]  if any of you remember it?
[18:59]  lets not
[18:59]  mmm... checking md5sum's they take forever on DVD iso's
[18:59]  coward :)
[18:59]  ended up doing a pxe installation here instead, that dvd seem to do something very wrong to the box, even though it had formated the drive and copiede data to it durring install the drive hadnt recived any data
[18:59]  we have no bothelp in here
[18:59]  rachael "copied"
[18:59]  "during"
[19:00]  [/grammer nazi]
[19:00]  rachael: once you go pxe you wont go back
[19:00]  :)
[19:01]  spook, I normally uses pxe , but I wanted to try the iso
[19:01]  RAID1: 2x WDC WD3000HLFS :: RAID6: 5x1GB+1HS SATA on 3ware 9650-12ML. 3x WDC WD1002FBYS & 3x Seagate ST31000340NS
[19:01]  btw, why doesnt smartd work with usb-hd?
[19:02]  Zordrak: thats cheating, you've got ent level disks and hardware raid.
[19:02]  5&6 read performance are pseudo-identical. 6 write is slower, but you dont lose everything during rebuilds cos one more disk died
[19:02]  nothing entry level about it
[19:02]  they are the server spec
[19:02]  ent = enterprise
[19:02]  the entry levels dont play well with raid
[19:02]  orite
[19:02]  lol
[19:03]  well yeah.. what do you expect for 3TB RAID61?
[19:03]  maxtor diamondmax? :p
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[19:04]  ive had a bunch of those die on me :/
[19:04]  ViN86: join the club.. but i think its at capacity so expect a waiting list
[19:04]  nothing like losing your entire music collection xD
[19:04]  given that it was kinda the point i was making
[19:05]  yes, i was verifying
[19:05]  ViN86: how'd you lose your entire music collection???
[19:05]  the motor inteh hard drive decided to stop working
[19:05]  ahh
[19:05]  thankfully i copied it back over from my ipod heh
[19:05]  you don't have it backed up?
[19:05]  The arse I'm having at the minute is getting DRBD, Heartbeat, Pacemaker etc going
[19:05]  i love my western digitals
[19:05]  danc3: i guess you could call my ipod a backup
[19:06]  omnipotentduo: yea me too
[19:06]  no, I wouldn't call the ipod a backup
[19:06]  i have a 640GB blue drive right now, really fast i love it
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[19:06]  single platter i believe
[19:06]  nope
[19:06]  which ones are?
[19:06]  v few
[19:06]  no way a 640 is single platter
[19:06]  ViN86 bluray cd can hold 650g?
[19:06]  its not efficient
[19:07]  Zordrak: youre right, it's 2 platters
[19:08]  320GB per
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[19:08]  Zordrak: http://techreport.com/articles.x/14380
[19:08]  im currently running here (at home) 2x400G, 2x500G, 4x640G
[19:08]  that's a lot of pr0n
[19:08]  each disk has an on-line and an off-line.. the off-line is on-lined about once a week to do a backup and then powered down
[19:08]  i have a 1TB green drive too, its good for storage
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[19:08]  nop; bluray disk hold max 50g
[19:09]  ViN86 what are you talking about viz 650g?
[19:09]  Quiznos: yea BD is 50 GB for dual layer
[19:09]  Zordrak: what do you need that much storage for, at home?
[19:09]  ViN86 what's a blue disk?
[19:09]  danc3: that would be telling.
[19:09]  ViN86 eom to google?
[19:09]  Quiznos: ohh its a model of WD hard drive, they have green blue and black
[19:09]  oem
[19:09]  wd?
[19:09]  yea
[19:09]  Zordrak: huh?
[19:09]  western digital
[19:09]  western dig?
[19:09]  pl
[19:09]  ok
[19:10]  black is fastest, blue is mid range, and green is power saver
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[19:10]  scorpio blue (model name)
[19:10]  nods
[19:10]  but blue and black are typically on par with each other
[19:10]  (black being the good ones, blue being the entry level that they call blue to make it seem better, and green being the POS they sell to enterprises and users who think their hard disk being more efficient will save a hundred seals)
[19:10]  Zordrak: haha yea, i have a green 1TB drive
[19:10]  ViN86  oh theyre the former Caviar drives.
[19:11]  it does ok, not a screamer, but fast enough
[19:11]  mmmmmm, I love a good seal steak
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[19:11]  ViN86: no black are generally enterprise level firmware and run bigger caches
[19:11]  right
[19:11]  32MB
[19:11]  which is why the 500s from above are blacks :)
[19:11]  ahh didnt realize that, good point
[19:12]  i wouldnt put a blue in a raid
[19:12]  depending on what you do, you shouldnt really notice a difference between 16MB and 32MB cache anyways, right?
[19:12]  too likely to have random dropoff
[19:12]  damn i hate it when scientists discuss error; time is not a substance (space-time) nor is it an element (or substance)
[19:12] Action: brbrbr warmly greet everyone
[19:12]  it's a distance
[19:12]  space is substance.
[19:12]  damn fools
[19:12]  i am rocking 2 WD Raptor 150gb SATA for my OS drive and 2 WD RE2 400gb for storage drives
[19:12]  ViN86: like you said, it depends what you do
[19:12]  (watching PBS NASA space thingy on tv)
[19:12]  I personally would notice a diff.. a desktop user storing porn and music might not
[19:12]  yea, i run slackware64 on my 74GB raptor
[19:12]  that thing is old :/ hope it lasts for a while longer
[19:13]  slow spin= long life and low risk
[19:13]  ew.. early raptor
[19:13]  yea 2004 lol
[19:13]  hmm i have a 350g a 320 and a 1xxGb here
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[19:13]  usb, sata, pata (respectively)
[19:13]  Zordrak: it's noisy, but still fast
[19:13]  e3 fs on all
[19:13]  ViN86: keep its temperature as low as possible. if you let it heat it *will* die
[19:14]  take that from someone who has RMAd 10 WD disks in 3.5 years
[19:14]  Zordrak: i keep it right in the exhaust of my 120mm intake fan, heh
[19:14]  but the pata still has old slack versions on it. i might clean it off and retask those parts
[19:14]  that's where all my drives are
[19:14]  Zordrak yea, i've been berned by wd too
[19:14]  lost 11g drive once
[19:14]  took everything with it
[19:14]  resier too
[19:14]  Quiznos: looking back, PATA was a pita
[19:14]  damn ribbons lol
[19:14]  ok.. 8GB thumb drives are getting rediciusly cheep :-)
[19:14]  why? im fond of it
[19:14]  never EVER E V A R  run a stack of WD disks without a 120mm fan in front of the stack.. the practical difference is 10C
[19:14]  lol
[19:15]  ty Zordrak
[19:15]  Quiznos: SATA is just so much easier
[19:15]  macavity: i got a 16 for £15 last year
[19:15]  well yea but ide cables are v1.
[19:15]  easier to run the wire, dont have to worry about jumpers
[19:15]  everything is better on-going
[19:15]  10C means the diff between 6 months and 4 years on a WD disk
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[19:15]  Zordrak: thats about the price of them, yes
[19:15]  Quiznos: haha yes good point, at least we hope it gets better
[19:15]  nods :)
[19:15]  it will :)
[19:15]  expect == hope.
[19:16]  price?
[19:16]  so you ran linux in 95?
[19:16]  Zordrak: i just only need an 8GB for slackware + my own packages
[19:16]  man what a progression
[19:16]  ViN86 yea
[19:16]  oyeah
[19:16]  on a leading edge box
[19:16]  from 2004 to now i can see a huge one
[19:16]  no one to help; was offline; no modem nor phone in the apt then
[19:16]  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
[19:16]  macavity: get a Kingston DataTraveller DT100 8GB -- has my highest recommendation for price vs quality
[19:16]  figuring out gcc SIG11's
[19:16]  and with distros like ubuntu it's really easy for it to be mainstream
[19:16]  check that for a raid
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[19:17]  figuring out gcc SIG11's all by my lonesome
[19:17]  Zordrak: lol.. thats the one i was looking at
[19:17]  that was phun
[19:17]  i heard MS was making a linux version of office
[19:17]  Zordrak: yes, it looks good, and i have good experiense with their brand of RAM
[19:17]  neat for them
[19:17]  ViN86: doubt iut
[19:17]  ViN86: link or fud?
[19:17]  read the license if non-gpl or compat
[19:17]  sounds like unsubstantiated rumour
[19:17]  heh
[19:17]  USR!
[19:18]  oh its on a phone lol
[19:18]  well the lost 11% of their market share to linux (primarily *buntu distro's) but it's a start
[19:18]  mixture of fud and truth i guess
[19:18]  fail
[19:18]  http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/08/28/could-microsoft-office-finally-be-heading-to-linux.aspx
[19:18]  how would m# make their money from foss?
[19:18]  would it be foss?
[19:18]  no way
[19:18]  or a nvid type thingy
[19:18]  a binary blob
[19:18]  "blob" binary large object
[19:18]  great.. a moron blogger has an opinion
[19:18]  it would be like office for mac
[19:18]  more than likly nvidia, but if they give us a binary file it's over
[19:19]  wine will run office, wont it?
[19:19]  nods
[19:19]  short lived and half-arsed
[19:19]  they would love to see every conversation about freedom in the software context be muted
[19:19]  heh
[19:19]  wine runs 2k
[19:19]  wine runs 2k7
[19:19]  not like it matters, with openoffice available
[19:19]  wine has supported office since virtually day 1
[19:19]  but not well
[19:19]  <- rocks on open office
[19:19]  the term Free Software is a heck of a lot more dangerous to them in the long run that the term Open Source
[19:19]  troo
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[19:20]  macavity: yea, but open source could be problematic too
[19:20]  opening up their source and seeing all the holes heh
[19:20]  you can use vim and latex to do anything that you can do in word
[19:20]  fuckers.. give ME 24 SSDs
[19:20]  started burning slack64, soon i will be back in my seat running slack again, *very exited*
[19:20]  ill make REAL use of them
[19:20]  ssd's?
[19:20]  Zordrak: LOL
[19:20]  Quiznos: pretty much a flash drive for a hard drive, Solid State Drive
[19:20]  how would you use vim and latex?
[19:20]  ah; shoulda known that
[19:21]  Quiznos: awesome read times
[19:21]  old term
[19:21]  nods
[19:21]  ramsan
[19:21]  writes are getting there, but apparently they still have a limit ont he number of lifetime writes...
[19:21]  ViN86: not really.. if they make a hard copyleft license that is only compatible with their own crap, and that specifically allows patent-co-licensing, then they would qualify in the open source definition
[19:21]  ViN86  do you remember the hype for bubble rams?
[19:21]  ViN86: .. but would fail at the free software definition
[19:21]  damn
[19:21]  ssd are fast
[19:21]  at least i already have the Zalman CNPS joy
[19:21]  missyjane: Intel X25/35?
[19:22]  macavity, huh?
[19:22]  I set up latex for mla papers for my wife's lit classes
[19:22]  missyjane: what brand of SSD?
[19:22]  samsung
[19:22]  i do not see latex in any vim menu
[19:22]  Quiznos: no i dont
[19:22]  just set up some templates and macros
[19:22]  macavity, did you see the utube video?
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[19:22]  what size ssd?
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[19:22]  ah.. no
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[19:22]  ViN86 early 80s, byte mag,  a few years later, gone.
[19:23]  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96dWOEa4Djs
[19:23]  ViN86 very slow devices
[19:23]  Quiznos: kind of like RDRAM?
[19:23]  heh
[19:23]  there are packages that integrate latex into vim, I think it has rudimentary syntax hilighting for .tex files
[19:23]  heh
[19:23]  in 95 i wanted to get my hands on RDRAM
[19:23]  thank God i didnt...
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[19:23]  but you can get completion and keyboard shortcuts setup with a little bit of googling
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[19:24]  how DARE they benchmarkm that shit with windows
[19:24]  lol
[19:24]  ok, my first slack-13 question: how to i make slackware not mount disk partitions that were not specifically instructed to do so in fstab ???
[19:24]  dont get me started. i would love to see it rock on Chakra
[19:25]  Pig_Pen rm the "auto" in fstab
[19:25]  must be some evil dbus/hal thing
[19:25]  Pig_Pen rm the "auto" in fstab
[19:25]  there should be something called vimacs... ahahaha
[19:25]  theses disk partitions are not in fstab
[19:25]  where are they?
[19:26]  two are my 12.2 install and one is some backup & junk files i keep
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[19:26]  ok
[19:26]  anyone put slack on a netbook w/ unetbootin?
[19:27]  knnk: you use any program in particular for writing latex papers?
[19:27]  lmao
[19:27]  i got hooked on LEd in windows :/
[19:27]  yup... a 24 way RAID IS fast
[19:27]  no news in that :P
[19:27]  Pig_Pen: it is hal;
[19:27]  it is hal, i see hal's mtab in /media
[19:27]  especially if it is a 24 way stripe ;-)
[19:27]  hal-disable-polling might be a start
[19:28]  wait, macavity seriously? i had no idea more hard drive = faster
[19:28]  i thought more hd = slow
[19:28]  missyjane: it depends
[19:28]  why is that so?
[19:28]  fbui is the wave of the future
[19:28]  missyjane: if they work together theyre faster heh
[19:28]  missyjane: it depends on the raidlevel and config
[19:28]  missyjane: you should read the wikipedia entry on RAID then
[19:28]  ie striping
[19:28]  oh god
[19:28]  missyjane: you can also make super slow RAIDs that will make sure you never ever ever lose data
[19:28]  i gotta setup a raid then, hard drives are incredibly cheap, i can get 1tb for $25 if i really push for it
[19:28]  macavity: then she can learn the 100 types of RAID configurations :D
[19:28]  missyjane: in a stripe, if one disk die, you lose all your data
[19:29]  macavity, i have bad memory
[19:29]  i reccomend a RAID 10
[19:29]  raid6 requires a LOT of calculation to write data. Raid1 requires 0 calculation to write data, Raid0 writes data pretty much at normaltime/numdrives
[19:29]  omnipotentduo++
[19:29]  clinical depression = bad memory
[19:29]  hal is merely a layer, the mounting is being done through some calls on the bus, your DE most likely
[19:29]  mancha: hal detects, provides
[19:29]  the linux mdraid in raid10 mode on six drives is pretty damn fast from what i hear
[19:29]  afaik
[19:29]  hal is the thing that watches and catches it
[19:29]  Zordrak: that hal-disable-polling can that be added to rc.hald
[19:29]  libsmbclient.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[19:29]   i know what you meen , mine is swiss cheeze
[19:29]  but it doesn't mount, it just says "ook here, i'm present"
[19:29]  Pig_Pen: not necessary
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[19:30] Action: twinkie_addict is bipolar
[19:30]  Pig_Pen: state is saved
[19:30]  missyjane: no depression here, just PTSD, makes life a challenge for many things
[19:30]  yea, raid 10 is nice
[19:30]  Pig_Pen: actually, if you run hal-disable-polling, it'll automatically write an FDI file to disable it at boot
[19:30]  omnipotentduo, it sucks, i cant remember anything when im depressed
[19:30]  raid61 > raid10
[19:30]  unless i take meds but they have side effects
[19:30]  twinkie_addict, huh?
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[19:30]  twinkie_addict: swiss cheeze? no crackers?....:(
[19:30]  lol
[19:31]  the crash from a realy high mania to realy depression is like falling off a 20 storie building
[19:31]  hard to remeber much at that point
[19:31]  oh man i cant imagine
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[19:32]  thankfully im pretty much centered
[19:32]  but its all good i get great pills lol
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[19:32]  no need for a dealer
[19:32]  twinkie_addict: always look on the bright side of life :)
[19:32]  lol yep
[19:32]  just dont snort them plz
[19:32] Nick change: LifeForce4 -> LF4
[19:32]  lol
[19:33]  anything that parity stripes is inferior to anything that doesnt
[19:33] Action: LF4 o/
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[19:33]  LF4: y0
[19:33]  hey MLanden
[19:33]  spook: you can recover failed info from parity bytes right?
[19:33]  that ssd vid is useless without one figure...  RRP
[19:33]  err failed rives
[19:33]  *drives
[19:33]  im guessing approx £20,000
[19:34]  spook++
[19:34]  Talking about RAIDs?
[19:34]  no
[19:34]  macavity: what can i say, i know everything.
[19:35]  spook: i know you have a knack for raids
[19:35]  and eeepcs
[19:35]  :P
[19:35]  and iptables, and networking, and virtual machines
[19:35]  and a lot of other things
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[19:36]  ok, then go fix the gallium llvmpipe driver for me plz ;-)
[19:36]  spook: i think it doesnt qualify as a knack after you add that many things :P
[19:36]  ack, cut off. hal says "look i'm here", something else is mounting.
[19:36]  spook: What are the two best suggestions for raid? I've heard 10 and 51 are good.
[19:36]  macavity: not my forte
[19:36]  spook..  61 > 10 > 6
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[19:37]  LF4: stay clear of 5
[19:37]  i am partial to RAID 10
[19:37]  raid 10 is nice and simple
[19:37]  Zordrak: mirrored raid6 right?
[19:37]  LF4 : there is no best.
[19:37]  any skype users in here, you might want to look at slashdot.org (skype trojan)
[19:37]  10 sucks for capacity against 6.. but 6 isnt as safe as 10, but thats covered in 61 to be more safe.. without the capacity disadvantage
[19:37]  yes
[19:37]  ananke: good point lol depends on the use.
[19:37]  Hi, I'm trying to burn an image I've created (2 GB) onto a USB drive using `dd' but when it's all done, even though it reports that 2 GB has been written, when I access the mounted USB, I see almost 60 GB of hodgepodge of garbage files (the USB has only 4GB storage space). What's causing this?
[19:37]  LF4 : best is subjective to the requirements, each raid level offers different things
[19:38]  ViN86: mdadm supports some not so simple configurations of raid10, some better than the standard
[19:38]  LF4 : depends on the use, on the budget, on requirements, and so on, and so on
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[19:38]  Zordrak: then you're using the sucky way.  one of the disks fails and that half of the mirror starts sucking, iirc how raid 6 works
[19:38]  Zordrak: afaik the write speed of 61 does not hold up anywhere near 10
[19:38]  spook: is hardware raid better than software?
[19:38]  yes!
[19:39]  i would think so
[19:39]  ViN86: i'm using software and find it quite acceptable
[19:39]  ViN86 : that's a loaded question. again, 'better' is subjective
[19:39]  macavity: it depends on a LOT of things
[19:39]  yiv, you're screwing with the part table?
[19:39]  that is why they charge you an arm and a leg
[19:39]  it depends on your needs
[19:39]  How did Yiv create this image, some flavor of mkfs?
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[19:39]  my motherboard supports a lot of different types
[19:39]  macavity: a LOT a lot
[19:39]  is there such a thing as nfstab?
[19:39]  esp when including drbd
[19:39]  dchmelik: dfstab
[19:39]  mancha, Can you be more specific?
[19:39]  ViN86 : chances are if you paid less than $200 for your mobo, then you don't have a real hardware raid option
[19:39]  dchmelik: vfstab
[19:39]  Zordrak: i was looking at a 3ware 9xxx controller.. oh man :P
[19:39]  anake: it was $200+
[19:39]  imma go make black coffee now
[19:40]  Zordrak: wet dream.. but it will probably remain a dream
[19:40]  ananke: $200+
[19:40]  dchmelik : for exporting shares? /etc/exports
[19:40]  rob0, I'm using a script to create a USB bootable image.
[19:40]  spook: what do you mean?
[19:40]  Yiv,are you dd'ing to the device or a partition on the usb drive?
[19:40]  macavity: yeah man.. using 2x 9650-12MLs
[19:40]  rob0, http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/12.2/
[19:40]  Zordrak: raid6, how many disks need to fail before preformance degredation?
[19:40]  ViN86 : then it may have real hardware raid, but you'd have to verify that
[19:40]  ViN86, too hard to look at the bright side, you gotta see clinical depression on google, its actual condition, that physically affects you
[19:40]  i think it cost me like $230, mobos are getting expensive, especially the new X58 chipsets :/
[19:40]  spook: 1
[19:40]  mancha,  dd if=/tmp/slackboot/usbhd.img of=/dev/sda1
[19:40]  twinkie_addict, yep it sucks, like when you are sad, suddenly poof, everything you know or learned in the last 6 hours = gone
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[19:40]  spook: same as 10
[19:41]  missyjane: yea i know, i said earlier i couldnt imagine what it's like :(
[19:41]  spook: same as or 5
[19:41]  spook: same as 5 or 6 or 50 or 51
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[19:41]  spook: or 1
[19:41]  ananke: its a BIOS option, so i think it is, i could be wrong...
[19:41]  spook: because in all case your doing a hot spare background rebuild using the same hardware
[19:41]  yeh thats the crappy part when your sad and mostly the is no reason for nothing looks happy or bright like a grey cloudy day i hate it
[19:41]  i just go to bed
[19:42]  spook: BUT
[19:42]  twinkie_addict, :( i try, i usually just look for pills while trying to figure out why im crying for no reason then my head start to ache
[19:42]  sleep isnt good for depression, at least that's what my old psych prof. used to tell us
[19:42]  and poof, "ugh life sucks"
[19:42]  spook: and this is the bit you might have missed.. my 61 setup allows NO degradation with a failed disk
[19:42]  thanks, Zordrak and ananke... i will not use it immediately but maybe later--i was curious
[19:42]  ViN86 : it could be a 'fake' raid, which is quite common on mobos and cheap controllers. it basically means all the work is done on the cpu, via a driver, rather than on the controller
[19:42]  how does the Intel Storage Matrix chips work with the linux-only mdraid driver modes?
[19:42]  you lose the hw-accel?
[19:42]  because you instruct heartbeat to swap the machines and drbd protocols and bingo... its like nothing happened
[19:43]  ananke: yea i was starting to think that could be the case, it's just a P35 chipset
[19:43]  true too much sleep isnt good for anyone :) i can at times sleep 20 hours a day
[19:43]  because you eat too many twinkies
[19:43]  i hate it i have no life becouse of it
[19:43]  ViN86 : if you set up an array, and your linux os sees individual drives, then you got yourself a fake raid
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[19:43]  twinkie_addict: yikes, i like getting 7
[19:43]  i dont eat them at all
[19:43]  huh, os x wouldn't mount a partition I created with mkfosfs -F 32 :(
[19:44]  ananke: i havent messed with it, have never had enough drives or to check it out heh
[19:44]  i was manic one day an for the hell it i yelled out i love twinkies lol
[19:44]  twinkie_addict, you should hack slack 16 - 18 hours/day
[19:44]  Zordrak: they both suffer, but it depends what kind of mirror it is.
[19:44]  that would solve your problem
[19:44]  it has been my calling card ever since
[19:44]  twinkies are nasty things...rather have real cake..:D
[19:44]  mmmmm black coffee
[19:44]  i like iced black coffee
[19:45]  Boston creme pie (cake)
[19:45]  my 4 cup Mr Coffee machine is what drives me
[19:45]  i love coffie but i have to have decaff since the cafien make me manic :(
[19:45]  oh, perfect oppurtunity to scotish up my coffee
[19:45]  spook: this is what im talking about.. I was VERY careful with this setup... I have the speed of 6, the protection of 6 AND 1, the space usage of 6, and 0 performance degredation on disk loss
[19:45]  twinkies and cockroaches are the only two things that can survive a nuclear war, someday after ww3 there will be nothing left but cockroaches getting fat eating twinkies
[19:45]   kernel: Driver 'st' needs updating - please use bus_type methods whats this?
[19:45]  hear ya,spook
[19:45]  rob0: yea good stuff
[19:45]  missyjane: ignore it
[19:46]  Zordrak: so the mirror load shares?
[19:46]  missyjane: its an instruction from kernel developer to kernel developer
[19:46]  spook: no
[19:46]  anyone here ever setup a beowulf cluster?
[19:46]  speeaking of coffie brb need to make some
[19:46]  spook: if one mirror degrades, the other one takes over
[19:46]  oh lol
[19:46]  ty Zordrak
[19:46]  i may be setting one up soon...
[19:46]  Pig_Pen: yeah,listening to Michael Bolton's CDs...lol
[19:46]  ViN86: pff
[19:46]  Zordrak: yeah so same here.
[19:47]  Zordrak: as in no point?
[19:47]  BUT.. you only get to use 50% of your space
[19:47]  im trying to figure out why my moving to trash bin is so slow, when i hit ctrl+alt+f1 it shows me my first console which says "CANNOT STAT: /home/missyjane/trashstuffhere"
[19:47]  what do i do about htat?
[19:47]  or its easy...
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[19:47]  and each mirror cant handle the loss of two disks
[19:47]  and you have a single machine which is a single point of failure
[19:48]  missyjane: it is not bad yet.. when you see "bus_type calls are drepricated and will go away soon, please update driver right away", then it is time to pester the mailing list about it :P
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[19:48]  and these two machines are corss-linked across two UPSes so if one UPS dies.. both machines stay up
[19:48]  mancha, rob0, Sorry, got d/ced. I probably missed everything you said.
[19:48]  and each box has 3PSUs
[19:48]  macavity, hm i seen a lot of those
[19:48]  here is this
[19:48]  http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=trashprotocol+couldn%27t+stat&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=edfc6229dbb91754
[19:48]  so it's uber-uber redundant
[19:48]  belt and suspenders ftw
[19:48]  oh great, its missyjane.
[19:48]  Zordrak: were you saying a cluster is pointless?
[19:49]  lol
[19:49]  anybody know of an app that allows seeing/setting CPU freq scaling.  Using Xfce in Slack13 if that matters.
[19:49]  i can lose any two components and see no performance loss.. or i can lose nearly all components and have a working setup with some performance loss
[19:49]  yiv2, that was my only idea, that it wasn't a real FS image.
[19:49]  ViN86: no.. just that i dont see you running a cluster
[19:49]  missyjane: i have been going to and from the computer, could you update me on the entire problem agin?
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[19:49]  Zordrak: not for me personally, for my group
[19:49]  Zordrak: but can you non-destructively grow your array?
[19:49]  yes http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&q=trashprotocol+couldn%27t+stat&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=edfc6229dbb91754 thats the errors im getting
[19:49]  i have no personal reaon to use one...
[19:50]  back
[19:50]  but with 10 people running simulations that take up to a day a piece, it may be useful
[19:50]  rob0, I see. I can't understand why writing a 2 GB image would somehow produce 58 GB of garbage.
[19:50] Action: valkyrie Yawns slightly
[19:50]  missyjane: in dmesg?
[19:50]  spook: Yes.. I can do whatever I want.. cos I just take a mirror out of the DRBD mirroring for a moment.. do whetever the hell i like to it, then remount/readd.. and during the time it was off.. the whole data structure was still usable byu users and was still running in full RAID6 mode
[19:50]  Anyone running gnome?
[19:50]  damn
[19:51]  macavity, nope when i hit ctrl+alt+f1 i cant seem to find naything about it in dmesg
[19:51]  Jimmy Kimmel's take on Bill Gates Hurricane Stopper. Hilarious: http://www.techflash.com/microsoft/Bill_Gates_hurricane_stopper_as_explained_by_Jimmy_Kimmel_54152152.html
[19:51]  who gave me that nvidia install script?
[19:51]  I gave free ninja install scripts :)
[19:51]  give*
[19:51]  missyjane: ahh.. what file does it bitch about?
[19:51]  macavity, any file i want to delete relaly
[19:51]  Zordrak: interesting
[19:51]  spook: I can take this setup to 24TB with 0.00000s downtime to users
[19:52]  nope i im running kde 4
[19:52]  i have never even heard of 24TB
[19:52]  Zordrak: well i guess ill ask again when i get the hardware for it
[19:52]  it was different from the ones on slackbuilds.org
[19:52]  kde4 is obsolete.
[19:52]  are you sure it is not Tb?
[19:52]  TB
[19:52]  TiB technically
[19:52]  as soon as you run any software, it is obsolete :D
[19:52]  can anyone remind me how to force an fsck on next reboot?
[19:52]  of all partitions?
[19:52]  macavity: touch /etc/forcefsck i think]
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[19:53]  touch /etc/for...
[19:53]  uh
[19:53]  TB, or not TB, that is the congestion.
[19:53]  hm ugh i keep thinking force fuck
[19:53]  macavity just do it now
[19:53]  check the /etc/rc.d/rc.S
[19:53]  i blame you Camarade_Tux
[19:53]  spook: are you sufficiently satisfied with my setup now? :p
[19:53]  isnt there a lilo param though for it?
[19:53]  Zordrak: i can see its merits
[19:53]  spook: right
[19:53]  "touch /forcefsck" if /etc/rc.S or fsck supports it
[19:54]  dchmelik: dare i say that while its possible.. sinc eim already on 3TB it requires GPT partitioning
[19:54]  also "shutdown -F now"
[19:54]  i do not know what GPT is
[19:54]  it is /etc/forcefsck on slackware
[19:54]  and XFS for that matter cause ext[2,3,3]+TiB is not sane imo
[19:54]  Does anyone else know why `dd' creates 58GB of mishmash of garbage when I try to burn a 2GB image onto the USB drive?
[19:55]  missyjane: "touch /etc/forcefsck" and reboot
[19:55]  lol ><
[19:55]  er -F -r
[19:55]  dchmelik: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gpt+guid+parition+table
[19:55]  GPT is standard!
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[19:55]  Fatalnix: yeah.. but nothing supports it by default
[19:55]  cant even use fdisk&cfdik on it
[19:55]  thats retarded
[19:56]  kernel compiled without it by default
[19:56]  lilo&grub dont support it
[19:56]  missyjane: dont forget to rm /etc/forcefsck when you are done, or you will get a full fsck every time you boot :P
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[19:56]  its gone on the reboot
[19:56]  macavity, lol ><
[19:56]  wait, gpt doesnt have an mbr?
[19:56]  evil
[19:56]  hence why i run the OS on velociRaptors in RAID1 300GB (Slackware64-13.0) and then mount the GPT+XFS 3TiB 3ware RAID after boot
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[19:57]  yiv2: are you trying to burn an image, or did you follow the "dd if= of=" that was posted earlier?
[19:57]  Fatalnix: its not about having an MBR.. its about how you arrange it
[19:57]  yup.. it gets rm'ed on line 329
[19:57]  missed that one
[19:58]  when the sectors ovberflow your INTs you're a bit screwed
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[19:58]  missyjane: it looks like you cought a mild case of filesystem corruption
[19:58]  alisonken1church, I had done  dd if=/tmp/slackboot/usbhd.img of=/dev/sda1 (/dev/sda1 is where my USB drive located)
[19:58]  missyjane: its nothing serious.. just fix it before you hose anything :P
[19:58]  macavity, hm yikes, what can i do? its ext4
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[19:58]  yes, it would be bad if it persisted beyond one reboot
[19:58]  macavity, fix what? D: what do i fix?
[19:58]  the filesystem
[19:58]  shutdown -r -F now is distrib agnostic
[19:59]  you jsut e4fsck ,aybe?
[19:59]  yiv2: it's not "/dev/sda1" it's /dev/sda" <-- note the difference
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[19:59]  missyjane: boot into slack install disk
[19:59]  missyjane: as i said, touch /etc/forcefsck and reboot. That will make sure the filesystem is properly checked and repaired on boot
[19:59]  missyjane: THEN fix
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[19:59]  Has anyone messed with manually editing xfce4's menu?
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[19:59]  macavity, OH! i thought you were trying to be perverted
[19:59]  fsck.ext4
[19:59]  so sorry ill do that in a sec trying to finish dling this
[19:59]  >_<
[19:59]  missyjane...
[19:59]  y0 LF4
[19:59]  lol sorry macavity
[19:59]  hey fire|bird
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[20:00]  missyjane: you *can* fsck pre-boot.. but if its borked its better to be sure and do it in an extenal environment like the boot disk
[20:00]  missyjane: fsck != fuck
[20:00]  its close enough
[20:00]  missyjane: fsck == FileSystem ChecK
[20:00]  >.<
[20:00]  i'm uploading kde-4.3.0 x86_64 packages http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.0/, for any who are interested
[20:00]  alisonken1church, Argh! Let me retry.
[20:00]  vbatts: packages bad. buildscripts good.
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[20:00]  LF4: Are your entries going into Other?
[20:00]  vbatts: awesome :)
[20:01]  macavity, i know, just i have a bad mind
[20:01]  vbatts: awesome, thanks.
[20:01]  bbl letting this dl finisht hen i will
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[20:01]  missyjane: there is a /sbin/fsck.$FSTYPE for each filesystem type
[20:01]  thrice`: you KNOW that's going on my laptop now. :P
[20:01]  vbatts: check kdeadmin, it claims 4.2.4 :)
[20:01]  MLanden: No I copied the .cache menu.xml to .config like xfce4's site said. Now I dont get a menu at all. :/
[20:01]  anyone ever figured out how to fix the lines for mc and other cursors based cli utils via putty?
[20:02]  spook: FYI.. uncorroberated, but ive seen something that suggests that the 256KB stripe mode for RAID6 in the new 3ware firmware (which im running) outperforms RAID10 on the same controller (9650SE_
[20:02]  fire|bird: herro
[20:02]  hey ViN86, how's it going?
[20:03]  not too bad, same old, youk?
[20:03]  damn i cant type :/
[20:03]  ViN86: doing great, thanks. same old here too. :P Isn't it always?
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[20:03]  lf4: no icon in panel?
[20:03]  xfsettingsd is nice
[20:03]  fire|bird: haha yep
[20:04]  when I install a new gtk theme for fluxbox I run that and it spiffs it up :D
[20:04]  spook: i think, as with space, its an economy of scale. In 4disk config, 10 blows 6 away for pure performance and they both store 50%.. but as you add disks space and performance both go up.. at 6-8 disks raid6 can outperform
[20:04]  MLanden: The icon is there just when I click it nothing happens, and right-click does nothing most of the time. Some times I get a tiny little dot(like the menu has nothing to display).
[20:04]  this RAID discussion is intense
[20:04]  like sex on a camping trip
[20:04]  thats not intense
[20:05]  f*cking in tents sure is
[20:05]  sex in an airport strip-search room is intense
[20:05]  ok..is there anything i.e. /etc/X11/xdg/menus/xfce-applications.menu
[20:05]  whapping your balls out at an air hostess is intense
[20:05]  Zordrak: touche
[20:05]  screwing a 16yr old next door to a 30st father in law is intense
[20:06]  Zordrak: i didnt have the money for that straight up.
[20:06]  screwing in a tent is just normal behaviour
[20:06]  hence 4 disks and raid 10
[20:06]  fnuff.. reasonable decision
[20:06]  idk, sex ona camping trip is f*cking in tents...
[20:06]  Zordrak: the problem I find in raid6 is when  a drive does die, it takes forever to resync the replacement drive. not to mention hoping that a second drive doesn't die at the same time. and yes, we yave 24-drive shelves with both raid6 and raid10 1T drives
[20:07]  MLanden: No, I just did a locate xfce-applicatons.menu nothing showed.
[20:07] Action: spook is enjoying his scotish coffee
[20:07]  cheers,spook
[20:07] Action: ViN86 is jealous of spook
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[20:08]  alisonken1church: the argument you just used is a RAID5 argument not a raid6
[20:08]  in raid6 it doesnt matter if a second drive dies.. thats the point
[20:08]  in raid5 if a second goes youre boned
[20:08]  ineresting - since it's reporting raid6 and I have to deal with both issues
[20:08]  which is why as you go past about a TB the probability says that RAID5 is worthless and 6 is a mandatory minimum
[20:09]  well, we're switching to raid10, so it's a moot point now :)
[20:09]  k
[20:09]  the preformance gain is worth the disk space loss
[20:09]  like I was saying to spook earlier.. the chain of command goes like this:
[20:09]  thrice`: err, fixed
[20:09]  mdadm raid 10 can be scaled in any direction
[20:09]  61 > 10 > 6 > 1
[20:10]  :)
[20:10]  for example, 3 disks, 2 copies,     4 disks, 3 copies
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[20:11]  MLanden: Ok this is lame but I just checked the cache menu that xfce4 was saying to copy over and its now empty. :/ I have to regenerate the menu?
[20:11]  spook: isn't it like 8 am or more in australia? :o
[20:11] Action: spook starts getting ready for uni
[20:11]  Camarade_Tux: bang on. well done.
[20:11] Action: Camarade_Tux can never believe spook lives in australia
[20:11]  spook: ^^
[20:11]  LF4: see if it helps
[20:11]  Camarade_Tux: why the bloody hell not mate?
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[20:12]  I think the most encompassing statement I can make about RAID is that the options are vast.. and each option is best in a different situation. You just have to be VERY careful to ensure that in YOUR situation, you have made the right choice. And AFAICS, all three of us have.
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[20:12]  spook: I didn't get your message
[20:12]  (remember I'm not a native speaker ;) )
[20:12]  of my dialect of english
[20:12]  woohoo.. share ratio of 1.08 on the slackware install dvd iso
[20:13]  Camarade_Tux: why dont you believe i live in australia?
[20:13]  macavity: you're only 48.92 behind my score for the 12.2 DVD
[20:13]  spook: because you have the same schedules as me :P
[20:13]  macavity: tell me when you get to 8
[20:13]  macavity: will see on tomorrow ;)
[20:13]  s/see/seed/
[20:13]  s/8/68/
[20:14]  not torrenting 13 cause im rsyncing everything
[20:14]  Zordrak: i downloaded it off ftp, so it accounts to 2.08
[20:14]  08.. so you;re 47.92 behind
[20:14]  s/08/ok/
[20:15]  Camarade_Tux: i seed 100KB/s sustained, so you can calculate pretty precicely when you will catch up :P
[20:15]  Zordrak: i have all the time untill slackware 13.1 to catch up with you ;-)
[20:15]  heh
[20:15]  but you better start working :P
[20:15]  macavity: I can't sustain that rate ;)
[20:15]  woking?
[20:15]  *working?
[20:16]  the slackware torrent swarm should be as effective as everything else that is slackware ;-)
[20:16]  s/working/seeding/
[20:16]  not torrenting 13 cause im rsyncing everything
[20:16]  Crap.
[20:16]  I just burned the slackware 13dvd, and I realized my old, old computer
[20:16]  only has a CDR
[20:16]  ah, common.. if you have the bandwidth and diskspace to spare you might as well help out
[20:16]  -_-
[20:16]  MLanden: Is there a command to auto generate a new menu? I only found xfce4-menueditor
[20:16] Action: Zordrak golf claps redtricycle 
[20:17]  lulz
[20:17]  macavity: as soon as I get setup at the office :)
[20:17]  macavity: i help out.   spooksoftware.com/slackware/   just not with torrenting anymore :P
[20:17]  redtricycle: theres a simple solution
[20:17]  redtricycle: in fact.. theres TWO
[20:17] Action: MLanden salutes redtricycle for at least trying...:D
[20:17]  spook: why no torrents?
[20:17]  Zordrak: exactly.  use it as a coaster and pxe + net install
[20:17]  Thats solution 1
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[20:17]  going to bed, night all
[20:17]  pxe + net install?
[20:17]  what's solution 2?
[20:17]  alisonken1church: because i dont use install media anymore
[20:17]  loopback mount and pxe install :P
[20:17]  nite Camarade_Tux
[20:18]  Solution 2: Get off your lazy arse and go find a screwdriver.. swap the DVD drive over for the install
[20:18]  cofe's ready for tonight
[20:18]  you can probably find one in the dumpster or something
[20:18]  Zordrak: My computers are in three different cities...I'm in city #2
[20:18]  solution 2a: use it as a coaster and buy a new computer
[20:18]  getting a dvd drive requires driving 45 minutes =P
[20:18]  redtricycle: USB thumb drive?
[20:18]  2+h to go for 3rd shift
[20:18]  I'm going to look up the pxe install
[20:18]  spook: how does that stop you from torrenting an install dvd?
[20:18]  redtricycle: then USB boot, then FTP/NFS/etc.. install
[20:18]  evenin Ken
[20:18]  spook: you run a .au mirror? neat.
[20:18]  Oh, wait.
[20:18]  Quiznos: Yo
[20:19]  hi Red
[20:19]  Hm...
[20:19]  redtricycle: pxe unnecessary if it boots of USB
[20:19]  alisonken1church: a) dont have the disk space for another 8gb, b) i dont want the iso
[20:19]  spook: works for me
[20:19]  redtricycle: if it doesn.t  why not get the CD anyway.. might prove useful
[20:19]  hey Quiznos
[20:19]  bbs
[20:19]  thumbs: not an advertised one on any decent kind of connection, but anywhere in perth you can get stuff from that machine free.
[20:19]  spook: fair enough
[20:20]  spook: i would.. but it would affect my pr0n ratios :)
[20:20]  damn; it's the _Night Shift_!!! reminds me of _Night Court_ tv comedy
[20:20]  heh
[20:20]  lol
[20:20]  its 8am
[20:20]  well, will be for me in 6hrs
[20:21]  and yes, I used to watch Night Court - and not just for the lawyer babe :)
[20:21]  tuff spook; deal with it. it's 3rd shift in Meerka
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[20:21]  LF4: this might help from xfce's forum http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=4768.0
[20:21]  alisonken1church John came into his own by then
[20:21]  Markie Markham - wasn't that her name?
[20:21]  yep
[20:21]   [01:21:40] I think it might be time to take a bowl of Runchy Cut Pornflakes to bed, stick Family Guy on Shuffle and go to sleep
[20:21]  she was the hottie
[20:21]  Transfering 4GB over a wireless network
[20:22]  How long would that take? http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=4GB+%2F+100+megabits+per+second tells me 320 secnds
[20:22]  ok; now i have to collect those epis from web
[20:22]  which seems wrong.
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[20:22]  redtricycle: wireless or wired?
[20:22]  Wireless
[20:22]  redtricycle: what wirelsss network gives you 100mbps>
[20:22]  Quiznos: the interesting story is how he got to be the actor playing the judge
[20:22]  redtricycle: wireless is only 54MBit *at best*
[20:22]  Ack.
[20:22]  Do PACKAGES.TXT files exist that list dependencies (e.g. for the benefit of slapt-get)?
[20:22]  alisonken1church harry; he was someth
[20:22]  yep
[20:22]  54mbit, HALF DUPLEX + stand off + tcp overhead
[20:22]  veritos: no
[20:22]  avg a wireless file transfer at about 20mbps if its G
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[20:22]  alisonken1church and the theme song was excellent
[20:23]  veritos: it's a simple file list.
[20:23]  Assuming I get 24 megabits...it'll take 30 minutes
[20:23]  that's not too bad
[20:23]  MLanden: Thanks I'll read that and see if it helps.
[20:23]  or 15mbps if its a windows tcp stack
[20:23]  LF4: good luck...it might take some tinkering
[20:23]  Shame on me for not having a usb key > than 2GB in this time and age...
[20:23]  MLanden: Thanks, Haha I'm sure it will.
[20:23]  I have 3 4GB keys around
[20:24]  redtricycle: much shame
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[20:24]  another funny tidbit is the actor playing Bull played a soceror in a movie before he became the court bailig
[20:24]  balif
[20:24]  alisonken1church heh
[20:24]  bailiff
[20:24]  redtricycle: slackware or slackware 64?
[20:24]  close enough - the court stick
[20:24]  already recommended one tonight..  8GB Kingston DataTraveller DT100  .. just over a tenner, good quality
[20:24]  heh
[20:24]  XGizzmo_: Slackware 32bit
[20:25]  I wanted to test out slackware13 on an old comp i have lying around
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[20:25]  before I put 64-bit on my laptop
[20:25]  And John Larroquette was better on night court than the one he went to afterwards
[20:25]  redtricycle: boot from usb
[20:25]  the directory with the packages is only 1.3 gig
[20:25]  Zordrak: how do I make a usb slackware boot?
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[20:25]  redtricycle: only a few tens of meg
[20:25] Nick change: hexorcist -> quasar
[20:25]  alisonken1church yea but he started in Black Sheep
[20:25]  redtricycle: instructions are on the DVD you just biurned
[20:25]  non comedy
[20:25]  ah, okay
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[20:25]  redtricycle: look in the usbboot directory
[20:25]  after you boot.. then select a source from *anywhere#*
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[20:26]  Quiznos: I actually remember that one as well
[20:26]  NFS/HTTP/FTP/rsync?/disk
[20:26]  alisonken1church it's webbed too, Sheep on A&E site
[20:26]  thumbs: this is what i was looking for: http://www.stabellini.net/depslack.html
[20:26]  thumbs: not 13.0 yet but it's still what i was seeking
[20:26]  ...
[20:26]  ok - Markie Post, not Markie Markham
[20:26]  veritos: unsupported, and dangerous.
[20:27]  ah
[20:27]  toss
[20:27]  ew ew ew ew ew ew ew
[20:27]  veritos: do.NOT.use.
[20:27]  get that dependancy bollocks out of my face before i defecate on yours
[20:27]  Zordrak: when you say disk...can it boot frmo an iso?
[20:27]  redtricycle: yes
[20:27]  moun t -o loop
[20:27]  i'm just goign to copy the iso onto a different partition...coolies
[20:27]  mount -o loop
[20:27]  thumbs: not going to use with slapt-get, just as a guide. (for example, amarok will freak if it doesn't have unzip, even though it's not visible through 'ldd')
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[20:27]  veritos: if automatic dependency tracking is that important to you, i suggest you get another distro
[20:28]  bah, he left
[20:28]  with the iso mounted like that, the installer just sees a normal directory tree
[20:28]  oh well.. why the heck doesnt newbs just do Full Install
[20:28]  they dont know theyre nobs
[20:28]  cause they dont know what they want
[20:28]  it says "RECCOMENDED"
[20:28]  I installed Zenwalk, which doesnt have a full install
[20:29]  and it was nice and quick.
[20:29]  Though...when I actually wanted to do development on it
[20:29]  it sucked hard.
[20:29]  they just find the nearest thing that one distro "has" and another "hasnt" so they can go to the hasnt and complain
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[20:29]  So now I'm full install always...
[20:29]  later on,slackers.....good luck on tweakin' with the new release..:D
[20:29]  so
[20:29]  gn
[20:29]  say im trying to learn french
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[20:29]  Zordrak: rofl
[20:29]  at the same time im tryin to learn hella slackware
[20:29]  slackvare
[20:29]  slackware CLI in french?
[20:29]  redtricycle: always full install unless you really care about a couple of gigs of space.. just make sure anything you dont need *right now* is turned off
[20:29]  hella slackware, huh? and what is hella slackware?
[20:30]  its a californian term for mas...
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[20:30]  massive ammounts of slackware
[20:30]  in short periods of time
[20:30]  socal hella sucks
[20:30]  first time I've heard of it
[20:30]  i cant belive you couldent figure that out by urself
[20:30]  ;P
[20:30]  It's a northern california thing...
[20:30]  like, im hella cool
[20:30]  or like...
[20:30]  helluva is what I rememver
[20:30]  I stopped saying it after I went to school in South California
[20:30]  your hella slow for not gettin it
[20:30]  People look at you oddly
[20:30]  :p
[20:30]  on that depressing note.. i am outta here
[20:30]  is that related to valley girlish?
[20:31]  gn Zordrak
[20:31]  somewhat
[20:31]  heh
[20:31]  later Zordrak
[20:31]  thats the kind we uh....
[20:31]  that explains it - I'm from socal, and only visited up north when I was stationed there at school
[20:31]  zzzz with?
[20:31]  Schlaters schlackers
[20:31]  ok bbl
[20:31]  peace quiznos
[20:31]  laters
[20:31]  or, "goodbye quiznos"
[20:32]  to thoses who dont speak californian
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[20:32]  so anywaz
[20:32]  is there a CLI w/ the french language?
[20:32]  later Quiznos
[20:32]  or just KDE's laungauge support
[20:33]  well, there's console UTF-8 support, and I guess you could rename the programs :)
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[20:34]  :o
[20:34]  you know i have wondered this
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[20:35]  the wealth of knolage on this channel is outstanding
[20:35]  do french people have to learn 'less' 'cat' etc
[20:35]  knowlage*
[20:35]  fail
[20:35]  new beatles game or someth on 9/9/09
[20:36]  DrPepper: if they want to use the command line, then yes
[20:36]  DrPepper: if they dont want to use the command line, then they should stay away from slackware
[20:36]  So, whats the 'best' way to get 32-bit libraries into slackware64? Are there builds up for that, or is this a 'your on your own' thing?
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[20:37]  DrPepper: so.. do $WHATEVER people have to learn less, cat etc: YES.. if slackware is the distro in question
[20:37]  i've got some 32-bit things I'd like to run, one of which wants openal and sdl as well
[20:37] Action: LF4 has a Quiznos sub with DrPepper for lunch. :P
[20:37]  cool
[20:38]  beatzz: Well, when I was learning Japanese, I changed all the menus and the language.  You could very well do the same (if you're not JUST in console all the time)
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[20:39]  kde4 has excellent japanese support
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[20:39]  learn English. It's the obvious choice
[20:39]  nod, you need kdei
[20:40]  DrPepper: that's what i did..
[20:40]  draeath: if you're running slack64 - then you can grab the slackware 32-bit compatibility library from slamd64's website
[20:40]  look for the slackware64 compat packages, not the slamd64 compat packages
[20:40]  DrPepper: i read three Starwars and three Dragon Lance novels in english in a week
[20:41]  to learn English?
[20:41]  DrPepper: .. after that i was good at anglish.. and *very* good at looking things up in a dictionary :P
[20:41]  redtricycle, thanks broski
[20:41]  DrPepper: yup
[20:41]  hah
[20:41]  alisonken1church: thanks, google pointed me to that but I can't find it
[20:41]  alisonken1church: can you steer me?
[20:41]  draeath: hang on a sec
[20:41]  Grab the wheel!
[20:41]  well im off for a walk
[20:41]  DrPepper: these dayse i type faster in english then in danish :P
[20:41]  DrPepper: and i probably read faster in english too
[20:42]  just got off the phone w/ the annoying ass wife in WA
[20:42]  her ass is annoying?
[20:42]  its almost as frustrating, that im not there to slap the shit outa her.
[20:42]  VERY
[20:42] Action: macavity has a hard time imagining an annoying ass
[20:42]  u ever herd what an ass has to say?
[20:42]  ;)
[20:43]  i can imagine a phat ass and a skinny ass.. and a hot as... but not an annoying one :P
[20:43]  ee aww?
[20:43]  beatzz: http://anorien.warwick.ac.uk/mirrors/slamd64/slackware64-current/slackware64/
[20:43]  beatzz: i find it frustrating that i'm not where you are to slap YOU around.
[20:43]  :P
[20:43]  :p kick/ban me again then
[20:43]  violence against women, australia says no.
[20:44]  i herd the fem to male ration there is 6 to 1
[20:44]  I guess thats for me alisonken1church ?
[20:44]  i dont know how you deal w/ it.
[20:44]  i only slap my GF when she asks me to ;-)
[20:44]  draeath: ok - that's for you :)
[20:44]  ive actualy never hit her in any way
[20:44]  woot?
[20:44]  but i'll be damed if it hasent crossed my mind
[20:44]  alisonken1church: thanks!
[20:44]  get married and u will understand
[20:44]  np
[20:44]  aussie or not
[20:44]  beatzz: keep it that way.
[20:44]  try giving her a good spank on said annoying ass.. she will love you for it
[20:44]  u'll wana whop on her
[20:45]  spook.... u married?
[20:45]  tell me the truth
[20:45]  i'm not some redneck who cant control his anger.
[20:45]  thought so
[20:45]  :p
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[20:45]  now, how do I go about installing this? just install em in whatever order?
[20:46]  draeath: another one to try: http://slamd64.he.net/slackware64-current/slackware64/
[20:46]  to you, women are some dream-not-come-true
[20:46]  when u get one, u will see that it is realy mans bain
[20:46]  right. so, what's the procedure to install these? just go in alphabetical order?
[20:47]  beatzz: i'll let that go because you don't know me.
[20:47]  and then u will be as i, welcomeing death
[20:47]  haha
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[20:47]  DrPepper knows what im talkin about ;)
[20:47]  beatzz: but i suggest you quickly end this line of conversation, lest it become ugly for you.
[20:47]  indeed
[20:47]  subway is calling me anyhow
[20:47]  bbl all, peace
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[20:48]  I know tons of happy couples.
[20:48]  really nice folks, too.
[20:48]  alisonken1church: heh, in case you missed: how do you install them? just go through alphabetically?
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[20:50]  i would also be curious if 'slackpkg' can be coaxed into using that as well, in addition to the slackware64 mirror
[20:50]  draeath: I don't think it matters, but I haven't used them yet, so not sure if there's specific steps
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[20:51]  draeath: what you may have to do is to setup your own repository that rsync's both slackware64 and the compat packages, then point slackpkg at your local repository. don't quote me on that though, since I haven't had a chance to check it out yet
[20:51]  is there an ftp mirror for these?
[20:52]  wait these should be in any slamd64 mirror correct?
[20:52]  ftp://mirrors.vbi.vt.edu/linux/slamd64/slackware64-current
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[20:52]  no - not all mirrors do ftp according to the slamd64 download page
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[20:53]  ty again alisonken1church - you're a lifesaver
[20:53]  shame these arn't in the slackware64-13.0 'extras' or something
[20:55]  draeath: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib
[20:55]  another one to read
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[21:01]  ..ugh. apparently, I don't have xvideo. I wonder if I actually have direct rendering
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[21:02]  oh great, I don't have it
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[21:09]  sorry folks, i had to get coffee #1; i couldnt wait.
[21:09]  bbs
[21:09]  gotta fix x11
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[21:10]  fix my direct rendering for me. damn laptop makes me want to throw it out a window
[21:10]  wow; ok; i need some hep here with 13's x.  i mv'd xorg.conf so not usable; when x11 starts, no kbd, no mouse.  suggies?
[21:10]  raela send ti to me
[21:11]  Quiznos: is hal working?
[21:11]  it's runnin
[21:11] Action: andarius stands outside raela's window
[21:11]  udev too
[21:11]  Quiznos: this laptop is a pain in the ass. you don't want it, trust me
[21:11]  raela, which lappy?
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[21:12]  i'll chance it; my Vaio's xp killed itself rm'ing a bootfile.
[21:12]  hiptobecubic: toshiba satellite. I think it's an m55? got it last august and it's nothing but trouble
[21:12]  i'll swap ya
[21:12]  raela, oh really? I heard the toshiba's were good
[21:13]  raela, i used to really hate my HP DV6000 series but i'm learning to tolerate it now
[21:13]  hiptobecubic: I love my old toshiba satellite. sadly, its screen is dying and my family convinced me to get a new laptop instead of replacing the screen. I wish I had went for the screen
[21:13]  suggies on no x11 kbd/mouse
[21:13]  Quiznos: use a very basic xorg.conf to get it to work? this laptop wouldn't work without one
[21:13]  crap
[21:13]  ok
[21:14]  raela, yeah i understand that. This is the first time in a long time that i really haven't wanted an upgrade. The only thing this laptop is missing is hdmi... and i wish the touchpad were more to the left
[21:14]  hiptobecubic: I dunno, I've had this thing for a year and haven't warmed to it. damn thing likes to overheat as well as doesn't have ANYTHING work easily
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[21:14]  i thought xorg confs were optional; someone lied to me
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[21:14]  well for 650, this one wasn't such a bad deal really. For a long time, ALSA didn't have the audio right, but it's good now, so i have few complaints.
[21:14]  hiptobecubic: I have never had direct rendering/xvideo on it. I thought I did when I upgraded, but really glxinfo doesn't show it, so I didn't realize I didn't have it
[21:15]  Quiznos: they are, but if hal isn't working properly, the kb/mouse won't be detected
[21:15]  raela, what video card?
[21:15]  hiptobecubic: radeon hd 3100 rs780mc
[21:15]  ah
[21:16]  raela ok; that's next then
[21:16]  raela, yeah i haven't really tried fiddling with ati much. nVidia just makes it so easy to install working drivers. I don't want to switch until ATI can match it.
[21:16]  hell, I don't even like the physical laptop. only thing it has going for it is the full keyboard. the touchpad is on level with the laptop, the buttons are annoying, and the volume scroll has no defined min/max (and! didn't work out of the box. I had to add a fluxbox macro that only works when I use playmp3list to play a file)
[21:17]  hm... no slackbuilds for mythtv?
[21:17]  ah, not for 13
[21:17]  raela, yeah that sounds like a shit box
[21:17]  I think mythtv is a distro in istelf the way it works
[21:17]  hiptobecubic: I never want an ati card again. my nvidia desktop never had working drivers, but my intel card worked wonderfully with no effort
[21:17]  it likes to take over your computer when it runs
[21:17]  just like a screensaver, eh?
[21:17]  pretty much
[21:18]  damn virii
[21:18]  raela, you never got the nvidia drivers working? They work great here.
[21:18]  I tried it last year - didn't like it because of that
[21:18]  hiptobecubic: that desktop is kinda special. anything other than vesa pretty much would cause x to spike the cpu to 100% and required a hard reboot
[21:18]  haven't tried it myself.. when I woke up I pretty much forced myself to bite the bullet and decide to get the tuner working in my all-in-wonder..
[21:18]  haha
[21:18]  hiptobecubic: tried at least 6 versions of nvidia drivers and nv drivers
[21:19]  raela, ever try nouveau?
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[21:19]  hiptobecubic: nope
[21:19]  Zordrak: source folder is there now; thrice` all the packages are there and correct now http://cardinal.lizella.net/~vbatts/kde/kde4-packages/4.3.0/
[21:19]  crap; mc dumped
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[21:25]  vbatts: I'm going to install those on my laptop, thanks for sharing those. :)
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[21:26]  alisonken1church: got any recomendations other than mythtv? (I dont wanna go and recompile qt just to get it to work)
[21:27]  quasar: not really - dumped my card after the digital revolution and haven't done anything with tv since then
[21:27]  HEY!  in dmesg, wired mouse identd as /device/.../input6; nowire mouse as /device/.../input1; what paths are those with /device/*?
[21:28]  what daemon uses thems
[21:28]  x uses /dev/device/inputX I believe
[21:29]  there's no /dev/ prefix in dmesg
[21:29]  have to check my laptop - not on it yet
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[21:29]  ok back guys
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[21:30]  wb missyjane
[21:30]  missyjane: yo
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[21:30]  [:)
[21:30]  hey alisonken1church
[21:30]  missyjane: your eyebrows look funny
[21:30]  :)
[21:30]  fire|bird: hey
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[21:31]  hehe
[21:32]  i think its so cute
[21:32]  unibrow
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[21:32]  lol
[21:32]   /me isnt in a great place atm
[21:33]  Quiznos has one too, hey you should hook up?
[21:33]  although i did come up with a cool idea
[21:33]  what's that?
[21:33]  phone home ssh tunnels for supporting people i convert to linux.
[21:33]  there's a thought
[21:33]  huh?
[21:33]  reverse ssh tunnels to be precise
[21:34]  when the new linux person needs help - have the computer phone spook so he can help them with it
[21:34]  Quiznos: talking about you, not to you
[21:34]  o
[21:34]  alisonken1church: close but.
[21:34]  spook: turns out direct rendering is not working with my laptop
[21:34]  but?
[21:34]  hm whats .java/deployment/etc folders for?
[21:34]  i see no UPGRADE.TXT in 13.0
[21:34]  I'm crazy. rather than bother building both OpenAL 0.x and 1.x, for 64- and 32-... I just stole the .so files from the Debian lenny and Debian etch packages
[21:34]  dchmelik topdir in that tree
[21:34]  who thinks that's crazy?
[21:34]  their pc, when its connected to the net, or really, at all times, tries to create a reverse ssh tunnel to one of my machines
[21:35]  spook: "have your computer call my computer and we'll do lunch"
[21:35]  draeath if it works
[21:35]  which allows me to connect from my machine through the tunnel to theirs
[21:35]  Quiznos: yep, and 'ldd' says it finds everything they need :D
[21:35]  and fix problems.
[21:35]  draeath run ldconfig too
[21:35]  ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware-13.0/UPGRADE.TXT
[21:35]  kool
[21:35]  i see it
[21:35]  raela: how unfortunate for you.
[21:35]  right now i'm not in a helping mood, please leave a message after the tone
[21:35]  Quiznos: didn't even need to - i love it when third party binaries are hardcoded like that...
[21:35]  Quiznos, even the README.TXT lists no UPGRADE.TXT
[21:35]  draeath heh
[21:36]  dchmelik gettem
[21:36]  wget
[21:36]  file://home/slackware/slackware-current/UPGRADE.TXT <-- I see it fine as well
[21:36]  what the fack
[21:36]  i used rsync-slack-current
[21:36]  but i'm also crazy, in that I listen to my music with "mplayer -vo null FILE01 [... FILE02]" :P
[21:36]  sounds like an old slack user
[21:36]  i need an old KRc piler to make some old code
[21:37]  i need those .h's too
[21:37]  gotta have the .h's :)
[21:37]  nods
[21:37]  ah crap, yes thats true. my ripping didn't get me the .h files
[21:37]  dchmelik: ?
[21:37]  buuut... i bet i can rip them from the debian -dev packages :P
[21:37]  lcc compiler makefile sux berries
[21:38]  I know too much for my own good, and not enough to prevent an imminent explosion in the future
[21:38]  heh
[21:38]  same here
[21:38]  alisonken1church, i used your script and what i got did not have that file or list it in the readme, as i said
[21:38]  i've forgotten more than most people learn in skoll
[21:38]  heh
[21:38]  spelling would be included in that, right?
[21:38]  :P
[21:38]  nah; that's just phun
[21:38] Action: draeath spits
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[21:39]  thank god i cant tawk like that
[21:39]  http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1739699
[21:39]  tryin to write regional acents is alot of phun
[21:39]  regunal
[21:39]  regunul
[21:40]  dchmelik: oh - you must be looking in slackware64-current
[21:40]  reginully
[21:40]  what else is different in the slackware64-13.0/ and slackware64-current/ ?
[21:40]  you goog el eee
[21:40]  since this is the first slackware64 - there is no upgrade path
[21:40]  it is not the first--it is the first official and i need to upgrade
[21:40]  agentc0re: What is this goog el eee thing you speak of? :P
[21:40]  no no no; ou googul
[21:40]  ou/you
[21:40]  upgrade is only for previous releases of slackware - hence you'll only see an UPGRADE.TXT in the slackware-current directory
[21:40]  well there was a current 64
[21:41]  dchmelik: upgrade from what?
[21:41]  dchmelik: are you coming from slackware64-current, or from slamd64?
[21:41]  slackware64 pre-13.0
[21:41]  -current was testing - and as of last week, -current became -13.0
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[21:41]  well if you have been updating -current regularly, you now have -13.0 - check your /etc/slackware-version or whatever the file is called
[21:41]  fire|bird: no no, :P  eulogy  :P
[21:41]  well i still need to know if i can use the instructions from UPGRADE.TXT
[21:41]  i do not know how to use slackpkg yet
[21:42]  lol.
[21:42]  I would look into it
[21:42]  agentc0re: hahaha
[21:42]  fire|bird: ever see zoolander?
[21:42]  it's quite a lifesaver
[21:42]  dchmelik: good luck
[21:42]  dchmelik: there is no upgrade path from slackware64 - since slackware64 did NOT exist prior to 13.0
[21:42]  agentc0re: yeah :P
[21:42]  then do i use slackpkg, or what?
[21:43]  clean install
[21:43]  or upgrade from slamd64
[21:43]  he was on a pre-13 slackware64
[21:43]  so, -current
[21:43]  what package updates /etc/slackware-version
[21:43]  i am not using slamd64--i am using the pre-13.0 slackware64
[21:43]  ?
[21:43]  fire|bird: I know what a ugoogoguly is!  :P
[21:43]  steiger_: aaa_base
[21:43]  steiger_: aaa_base
[21:43]  dchmelik: then you have 13.0 already
[21:43]  alisonken1church: damn you and your fast fingers
[21:43]  dchmelik: oh then just upgrade to the latest current
[21:43]  draeath: :)
[21:43]  then you'll have 13.0
[21:44]  or rather, 13.0.0.0.0 :P
[21:44]  i downloaded it all with rsync-slack-current, so what is the best way to do it?
[21:44]  dchmelik: when was the last time you upgraded your -curernt, and how did you do it?
[21:44]  dchmelik: i upgraded using slackpkg
[21:44]  dchmelik: use that script again and slackpkg upgrade-all
[21:44]  alisonken1church, are you able to listen to music now?
[21:44]  if so i wanna dcc one thing to ya
[21:44]  (rather, upgrade your system using -current)
[21:44]  the first 64-bit--i have not used slackpkg yet
[21:45]  so you installed -current in the past, (since there was no other slackware64 before 13
[21:45]  once in a lifetime, the releases are in sync with current - that is when it's launched
[21:45]  have you done any updates at all?
[21:45]  no
[21:45]  well crap; i'm sick of having to sysrq-e to kill x11 and then haveto restart the rc.*
[21:45]  missyjane: still on slamd64 12.2 at the house, and never tried dcc yet :)
[21:45]  dchmelik: man slackpkg  :P  it's pretty self explanatory.
[21:45]  ok, so youve got an old -current snapshot installed
[21:45]  so, run slackpkg, edit the file like it will tell you
[21:45]  i downloaded part of 13rc1 and all of 13rc2 but never got around to it
[21:45]  aw
[21:45]  alisonken1church: Watch out, she'll dcc hack you! :P
[21:45]  well when you can i think youd like this
[21:45] Action: missyjane shuts agentc0re up with irc "shut you mouth" hack
[21:46]  fuck, fish and cheese are delicious
[21:46]  missyjane: you can give it a try
[21:46]  ill wait when you are ready dear
[21:46]  steiger_: in that order?
[21:46]  steiger_: is fuck an exclamation, or a part of the meal?
[21:46]  i would like to know if 'upgrade-all' actually installs everything that is new or only what you already have
[21:46]  draeath: both?
[21:46]  dchmelik: only what you ahve
[21:46]  good
[21:46]  missyjane: go ahead and give it a try - I'm using kvirc here
[21:46]  dchmelik: if you want to install more, use the install-new command after you udpate
[21:46]  ok hold on
[21:46]  dchmelik: upgrade is just that.  install-new is what you'd want to run first.
[21:47]  it gives you a curses menu to choose, also - so you dont have to do it all, if you want to hold a package
[21:47]  also look into 'slackpkg blacklist'
[21:47]  dchmelik: upgrade only upgrades what's already installed - new packages have to be usede with install-new option
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[21:47] Action: agentc0re dcc's missyjane the "grammar hack fix" to fix the "shut you mouth" hack
[21:47]  and, if you want to for some reason, tell it to ignore a package instead of you manually deselecting it each time, look at blacklist
[21:48]  agentc0re, you dont get the reference huh :(
[21:48]  :P
[21:48] Action: draeath dcc's the whole channel with the "stop being a tool" hack :P
[21:48]  agentc0re it's "shut yo mowf"
[21:48]  shut you mouth?  nope.
[21:48]  AH, i get that one Quiznos.
[21:48]  heh
[21:48]  missyjane: reference to a Shaft theme song?
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[21:48]  agentc0re high pitch too
[21:48]  heh
[21:48]  sliding down tone
[21:49]  alisonken1church, fuck my knee hurts
[21:49]  is there not a way to use slackpkg on the txzs i already downloaded?
[21:49]  alisonken1church, dont share this song with anyone
[21:49]  alisonken1church, accept it!
[21:49]  it says i had to uncomment a mirror, and i did that and it said it again
[21:49]  missyjane: try again - I was typing a reply and missed it
[21:49] Action: missyjane screams in horror as alisonken1church hackers her pc
[21:49]  dchmelik: make sure its a slackware64-current mirror
[21:49]  not slackware, not -13
[21:49]  do -current first
[21:50]  then, slackpkg update
[21:50]  btw 'update' only gets data
[21:50]  you need to do a different command to upgrade stuff
[21:50]  well i already got the data
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[21:50]  roh roh roger; x11 -configure barfed;
[21:51]  abi mismatches
[21:51] Action: draeath points and laughs
[21:51]  you arent accepting ;(
[21:51]  where does slackpkg save its data?
[21:51]  dchmelik: dchmelik: then look at /etc/slackpkg/slackpkg.conf and use the file:// example
[21:51]  missyjane: screams in horror, or screams like a whore?
[21:51]  dchmelik in /ar
[21:51]  var
[21:51]  missyjane: it's waiting for you to send it
[21:52]  chopp: what a bout 'like a whore in horror'?
[21:52]  it's a very specific sound
[21:52]  chopp, lol
[21:52] Action: draeath looks around nervious
[21:52]  draeath: ahh yes of course :P
[21:52]  alisonken1church, i tried sending it :( ill wait til you are on a better client
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[21:52]  before i get flamed, this is not for me, i am helping a dual booter.  If the windows partition is on a second HDD, grub should read root (hd1,0) correct?
[21:52]  missyjane: might have something to do with private networks :)
[21:52]  lilo works fine with windows
[21:52]  which partition?
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[21:52]  omnipotentduo: thats the first partition on the second drive
[21:52]  Sounds like a good ad slogan, "At JackRipper Products Co., We put the whore in horror!"
[21:52]  missyjane: if you're around after midnight, I'll be at the office
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[21:53]  draeath: thats what i wanted to make sure of
[21:53]  omnipotentduo: you need to do some other grub voodoo before you can chainload however
[21:53]  alright
[21:53]  i see that, but i do not see why it has $TEMP and $WORKDIR
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[21:53]  rob0: or "we put the 'ho' in horror"
[21:53]  windows doesn't like C: being on a different drive, so you need to make grub do some BIOS partition acrobatics to 'switch' the drives
[21:53]  draeath, can you join me in #chakra please?
[21:54]  dchmelik: if you want to refresh your bash scripting, you can vew slackpkg and see why it does that
[21:54]  i want a delorean
[21:54]  spook: Dr. Brown special?
[21:54]  fuck yeah
[21:54]  :)
[21:55]  i think i will just use upgradepkg on what i downloaded
[21:55]  88 mph
[21:55]  american dad S04E16
[21:55]  we need to get this thing up to 88mph! you did see the movie! no, thats just the max speed of this car.  not very powerful.  pretty looking though
[21:56]  i hate screen-configurations.xml
[21:56]  ugh
[21:57]  off to uni
[21:57]  missyjane: ok - try again, I changed a couple of settings
[21:57]  spook: have fun
[21:57]  alisonken1church: i'll try
[21:57]  spook: fix that damn cam when you get there :P
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[21:58]  still waiting for you to accept
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[21:58]  missyjane: ok - has to do with my home firewall settings then
[21:58]  ah
[21:58]  well shame on you >:(
[21:58]  I'll be at the office in about 5 hours or less
[21:59]  i tried to find slackpkg but i guess rsync-slack-current did not download the source yet
[21:59]  dchmelik: should already be there - if not, look in /extra
[21:59]  chopp: it is
[21:59]  chopp: i fixed it remotely :)
[21:59]  and yes, I have slackpkg on my laptop, so I know it's there
[21:59]  i found its folder in ap/ but no corresponding source
[21:59]  spook: ahh, just everyone else away too hey
[21:59]  (my laptop is running slackware-currnet)
[22:00]  and it is not in extra
[22:00]  chopp: its 10am on a monday
[22:00]  dchmelik: look at /usr/sbin/slackpkg
[22:00]  in the words of the kid that was in harvey birdman
[22:00]  spook: gotcha
[22:00]  it's a root-only tool (just like pkgtool)
[22:00]  i'm superman and i can fly, i'm spider man and i can climb
[22:00]  I'M GARFIELD AND I HATE MONDAY
[22:00]  S
[22:01]  I just planted a potato in my yard
[22:01]  "I'm not prejudice - I hat everyone equally"
[22:01]  alisonken1church, well rsync-slack-current should have downloaded it with the rest... and i am logged in as root... that source is just missing out of everything else in ap/
[22:01]  saying from someone I know
[22:01]  the README says it is a script and there is no source
[22:01]  dchmelik: ok - you're on slackware64?
[22:02]  yes, i found it
[22:02]  I was going to say  - I'm looking at slackware64/ap and it's there
[22:02]  antiwire: getting ready for some old-fasioned moonshine?
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[22:03]  I did it sneakily.
[22:03]  people won't know wtf is going on and then BAM...a potato plant
[22:03]  antiwire: LOL... those things spread underground like weeds.
[22:03]  hahaha
[22:03]  i was reading slackpkg and i see how it uses $WORKDIR, but not $TEMP.  'TEMP' is in its conf, but not in the script!
[22:04]  hm i dont know why this doesnt work "chmod -x /mnt/music/*.mp3"
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[22:04]  missyjane, i think you have to specify who it is not executable for
[22:04]  missyjane: look at your permissions for mounting the partition under /mnt
[22:04]  like a-x, g-x, u-x, o-x
[22:04]  -x alone will just remove execute for everyone if you have the privs to do so
[22:05]  What type of file system is /mnt ?
[22:05]  yeah
[22:05]  dchmelik: -x specifies "remove executable bit" - but if she mounted a windows partition, it won't work
[22:05]  im trying to remove exec for all users and all files thats named with .mp3
[22:05]  mp3 dont need exec
[22:05]  what do i need to set $TEMP to for slackpkg if i already downloaded the txzs?
[22:05]  missyjane: "mount |grep mnt" and see what filesystem you mounted there
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[22:06]  dchmelik: don't set temp. use a local path as your mirror: file://path/to/tree/
[22:06]  use the '/etc/slackpkg/mirrors' file
[22:06]  dchmelik: if you want to use the rsync script to keep -current, and have slackpkg use that directory, do what antiwire shows (it's an example in the mirrors file)
[22:06]  wait
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[22:07]  thanks, i will read that
[22:07]  OOhhh snap!  danc3 is in the house.. Rave party time!!
[22:07]  :P
[22:07]  heh
[22:07]  not on a Sunday night...
[22:07]  dchmelik: I am confused though, didn't you say you're missing slackpkg?
[22:08]  danc3: Pfft.. any day that ends in Y is good enough.
[22:08]  wait
[22:08]  it does work afterall
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[22:10] Action: danc3 is really enjoying his newly installed S13
[22:10]  wait it doest
[22:10]  >:( damnit
[22:10]  missyjane: if it's not an ext partition i'd suggest you to use dmask fmask mount options
[22:11]  Must not be a *nix filesystem.
[22:11]  agentc0re: he was confused by not having an UPGRADE.TXT for slackware64 to upgrade from -current to -13.0
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[22:11]  agentc0re, i am not missing slackpkg--i said i found it
[22:11]  it just does not have source, and that is what the README says
[22:11]  its ext3
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[22:12]  i put 'file://home/natsci/Slackware/slackware64-current/' in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors, but it is still asking me for a mirror
[22:12]  dchmelik: I think you're a little confused because slackpkg is a bash script. no source needed. that's why the source/ap/slackpkg* directory only has a readme in it
[22:12]  dchmelik: did you run slackpkg update after changing the mirrors file?
[22:13]  yes, antiwire
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[22:13]  i am not confused.  i said i read slackpkg a few minutes ago.
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[22:14]  well you might not be confused but something is still wrong.
[22:14]  dchmelik: may be obvious - but is your file:// line the only line that DOESN"T have a # as the first character?
[22:14]  it does not
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[22:14]  there was not much of an example in there
[22:14]  dchmelik: paste bin the mirrors conf.
[22:14] Nick change: ClaudioM -> ClAdium
[22:15] Nick change: ClAdium -> ClAdiuM
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[22:16]  x still not working
[22:16]  no kbd no mouse
[22:16]  Quiznos: laptop?
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[22:16]  no
[22:16]  http://pastebin.com/d6e5d8dfd
[22:17]  Is hald enabled?
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[22:18]  hald running
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[22:18]  Quiznos: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
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[22:18]  dchmelik: interesting - looks good as pasted
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[22:19]  dchmelik: what is actually in the /home/natsci/Slackware/slackware64-current/ directory? is it a whole tree or just packages?
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[22:19]  abi error on xtrap module load...
[22:19]  antiwire: should be the tree - he used an rsync script I gave him
[22:19]  cant load librecord
[22:19]  or freetype
[22:19]  or type1
[22:19]  [end]
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[22:20]  antiwire, that is the whole tree exactly as its last level is named in the archives
[22:20]  fonts shouldn't affect your kbd/mouse, but librecord might
[22:20]  i duno record
[22:20]  two mice; one wired, one radio usb
[22:20]  neither work
[22:20]  dchmelik: try "file://home/natsci/Slackware/slackware64-current/slackware64"
[22:21]  standard kbd
[22:21]  it may be looking for the slackware64 packages-only directory
[22:21]  dchmelik: Gawd i know this sounds dumb, but is the case right on the directory name?  you have Slackware capitalized.
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[22:21]  the case is right, but i guess i should try to end the path with slackware64
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[22:22]  hey guys installed slackware13 any assumptions onto why kde4 was included?
[22:22] Nick change: firebird619 -> Guest31304
[22:22]  I'm thinking that slackpkg is only looking for the packages, not the whole dvd tree
[22:22]  dchmelik: could paste bin a ls /home/natsci/Slackware/slackware64-current  Maybe it's not right?... i dunno
[22:22] Nick change: Guest31304 -> fire|bird
[22:22]  cHiLi_cOn_cArNe: because kde3.5 is no longer maintained?
[22:22]  Just underneath Section "Screen" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, put in this line ->  option "UseEdidFreqs" "true"
[22:22]  gm152 me?
[22:22] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest58558
[22:22]  Yes.
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[22:22]  alisonken1church: well that shouldn't force a distro to use a subpar DE....
[22:23]  cHiLi_cOn_cArNe: well, look at the changelog for -current/-13.0. pat has some notes in there why they went to 4
[22:23]  who's forcing you to use it? o.O
[22:23]  I am still running 13.0 btw.... just removed all the kde stuff and running xfcex
[22:23]  brb
[22:23]  cHiLi_cOn_cArNe: wtf is up with every other cap's?  And KDE3 is in extra along with qt3.
[22:23]  I tried out the new kde4
[22:23]  hi cHiLi_cOn_cArNe its been a long time since you been around
[22:23]  it's pretty...except my old comp cant run it
[22:23]  oh wel
[22:23] Nick change: cHiLi_cOn_cArNe -> chili_con_carne
[22:23]  http://pastebin.com/d659d1fb2
[22:23]  "cant run" = runs slowly
[22:24]  agentc0re: better?
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[22:24]  kde 3.5 hasn't been updated in 2 years, why the hell are people so stuck on it
[22:24]  Pig_Pen: hey dude!!!
[22:24]  chili_con_carne: yup.  Thank you.
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[22:24]  if you think 4 sucks, switch to something else
[22:24]  thrice`: cuz its stable..
[22:24]  dchmelik: yea - try putting "slackware64" at the end of the path in mirrors file
[22:24]  who cares?  it's dated and ugly
[22:24]  maybe slackpkg does not read URLs starting with 'file://.'
[22:24]  yea im using xfce atm....
[22:24]  i already tried that
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[22:24]  thrice`: I use xfce
[22:24]  thrice`: ugly? lol 4 doesn't look much better....
[22:25]  3 looks like complete shit compared to 4
[22:25]  alisonken1church: ill have to look at the changelog again then
[22:25]  thrice`: in the case of someone I switched over to slack - because he's a 70+ y/o guy that's just learning computers :)
[22:25]  could be
[22:25]  dchmelik: it reads them just fine and I use that method myself
[22:25]  :)
[22:25]  dammit, this server has no telnet or netcat.
[22:25]  centos--
[22:25]  in a folder and recursives, how can i get it to list everything BUT .mp3?
[22:25]  thrice`: realy? 4 looks idk very... unstable or cartoonish like kde3 was table and worked... granted it felt over the top sometimes as a DE but 4 is somethng else
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[22:25]  dchmelik: ok - after I get to the office, I'll try that on my laptop and see what slackpkg dies
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[22:26]  was stable*
[22:26]  s/dies/does/
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[22:26]  i have 12.2 & 13 dual booting, i am running 12.2 at the moment, kde-4 was doing alright for a while and then dolphin file manager started crashing or locking up, it would not launch and then after a few minutes about 5 instances would popup all at once
[22:26]  plus, Pat likes kde4, and it's his distro ;)
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[22:26]  i had forgot to uncomment the older mirror
[22:27]  it is working now
[22:27]  dchmelik: it does read them and what you have in there should work..
[22:27]  i may wipe 13 off and do a clean install without kde/qt and do xfce
[22:27]  dchmelik: See that's what i was looking for.. lol i missed it too.
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[22:27]  Pig_Pen: you can do xfce with kde installed...
[22:27]  gm152 nop
[22:27]  i got into the first menu where i upgraded the kernel
[22:27]  Pig_Pen: I just used pkgtool and removed all that was kde.. kepted qt for virtualbox and vlc
[22:27]  yeah
[22:27]  i just hope GNU dialog will work okay in konsole
[22:27]  danc3: waste of space though.. having it lie aroud
[22:27]  i may do that
[22:28]  chili_con_carne: I've got plenty of space, don't care
[22:28]  and I do use k3b
[22:28]  Quiznos: Do you have the xf86 input modules loaded?
[22:28]  kde-4 looks pretty but it needs more work, lots more work
[22:28]  i should probably exit KDE while it upgrades, right?
[22:28]  peeking log now...
[22:28]  to not have it upgrade something running?
[22:28]  They're Slack packages btw.
[22:28]  kde4 and/or xorg
[22:28]  I agree; but the more people using it, means it'll improve faster :>
[22:29]  dchmelik: most likely yes, drop to init 3 or even better init 1.
[22:29]  btw looking at the changelog for 13 dont see anything about upgrade reasons...
[22:29]  error on xtrap, record, freetype, type1,
[22:29]  [end]
[22:29]  what is the usual init level?
[22:29]  find /folder ! -name "*.mp3"
[22:29]  dchmelik: good idea :)
[22:29]  dchmelik: 3
[22:29]  but to attract "newbs" i guess...
[22:29]  i dont blame Pat for it, i know pat built 13 as best as possible, it is the xorg & kde developers that need to do some work on their code
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[22:29]  gm152 WW on allowemptyinput; kbd mouse vmmouse disabled
[22:29]  dchmelik: look at /etc/inittab
[22:30]  fkn crap
[22:30]  its not perfect but i doubt pat would have add ed kde4 to stalbe
[22:30]  agentc0re, you said drop to 3, but antiwire said 3 is usual... i just want to be able to switch back.  i will look at inittab
[22:30]  dchmelik: if you're upgrading from a local directory, runlevel 1 is good
[22:30]  gm152 fkn crap; there is no allowempty* flag in conf
[22:30]  does slacks installer still auto generate the needed libraries for a program enabled on the install?
[22:30]  otherwise runlevel 3 is the normal multi-user, network runlevel
[22:30]  gm152 wifi moose IS powered up.
[22:31]  dchmelik: some change the inittab to go to 4.  I change it to do that.  So it all depends man.
[22:31]  dchmelik: We're all guessing what the hell you have here.
[22:31]  omnipotentduo: "generate needed libraries?"
[22:31]  omnipotentduo: I thought the install was just an installer lol.... installed the packges you choose...
[22:31]  dchmelik: 3 is the default runlevel. if you're worried about breaking something change to 1
[22:31]  i have qt338 & kde-3.5.10 packages for 13 but you dont want them, they were built against xfree86, i may put that back in instead of xorg & kde4
[22:31]  ok, i have never changed it... i am not a super expert... i will try the whole upgrade now--see you later
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[22:32]  dchmelik: you can also switch runlevels by "telinit " from a console logged in as root
[22:32]  i meant that if i select say KDE to install when i install slackware64, it will select the packages that i need?
[22:32]  oops - he left
[22:32]  Quiznos: Maybe this is the pot of gold -> http://www.linux-archive.org/crux/218168-x11-allowemptyinput.html
[22:32]  that's normal
[22:33]  omnipotentduo: you can have a look at slackpkg, but normally pkgtool and installpkg only install what you tell it to install. no dependency checking
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[22:33]  antiwire: Did you check out that death star'
[22:33]  gah
[22:33]  antiwire: videos?
[22:33]  omnipotentduo: ummm choose kde and its libs... it will install them
[22:33]  alisonken1chruch: herm, you got a minute?
[22:33]  Since you say that hald is running, try launching X without an xorg.conf.
[22:33]  omnipotentduo: ok
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[22:34]  yay Slackware 13
[22:34]  the installer will select the need stuff from your disk / dvd i how ever in every thing so i have all libs i may nned to compile crap wiith
[22:34]  agentc0re: I passed out last night I don't even remember when. I woke up and my laptop and wireless mouse were in my bed.
[22:34]  btw, the upgrade.txt talks about making sure lilo knows where the new kernel is.  so where is the new kernel installed?
[22:34]  In /boot
[22:35]  gm152 ok
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[22:36]  gm152 holy fk
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[22:36]  ?
[22:36]  on!!!
[22:36]  Goodness.  :)
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[22:36]  those x11 guys need to be flogged
[22:36]  ok
[22:36]  but what is it called? bzImage?
[22:36]  Quiznos: LMAO
[22:36]  antiwire: LMAO!!!  were you suckeling the teat of your mouse? ;)
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[22:37]  lol
[22:37]  Likely vmlinuz which is probably a symlink of 2.6.29.6-generic or somesuch.
[22:37]  or generic-smp
[22:37]  2.6.29.6 is that the latest kernel in 13?
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[22:37]  cryptic0: vmlinuz or a long name with the version/smp-enabled/whatever with a symlink to vmlinuz or something like that
[22:37]  Yes.
[22:38]  so I just go into /etc/lilo.conf and make sure it has the correct name and path of the new kernel.  then just run lilo and reboot?
[22:38]  That kernel will need an initrd setup.
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[22:39]  chili_con_carne ty chili; it's good to laf :)
[22:39]  i'm furious
[22:39]  tortures
[22:39]  gm152, I dont use initrd, I use lilo
[22:39]  i ahve some naval punishing terms too
[22:39]  cryptic0: lilo and initrd are two different animals
[22:39]  anyway
[22:40]  Well, if you use ext3, xfs or reiserfs filesystems which are modular in that kernel, you'll need an initrd.
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[22:40]  alisonken1church, oh, so what initrd set up does the new kernel need
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[22:40]  gm152, I use ext3
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[22:40]  cryptic0: same as always - if you use the -generic kernel, you need to install the initrd so the proper modules are available during boot to mount your root filesystem
[22:40]  hey
[22:40]  hmmm I am still dumbfounded how weird kde4 was though.... oh well xfce works ok I guess.... idk though I want something more :\
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[22:41]  alisonken1church, where can I read more about this.  The upgrade.txt doesn't talk about this.
[22:41]  I've installed Slackware 13.0 but X is not working
[22:41]  README.initrd
[22:41]  cryptic0: after installing, look at the /boot/README.initrd file on how to use it
[22:41]  cant locate Core*
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[22:41]  hugleo: whats the error?
[22:41]  xfce start but 3 seconds after X freeze
[22:41]  i am becoming quite ready to commit mayhem on some developers
[22:42]  or their hardware
[22:42]  Heh, Quiznos.  :)
[22:42]  they dont deserve the name ``Linux Developer''
[22:42]  kill their hw
[22:42]  it's open source, send them patches
[22:42]  KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL
[22:42]  macavity: any help?
[22:42]  or, are you one that just likes to bitch about other people GIVING YOU THEIR WORK
[22:43]  hugleo: what  is  the   error   message?
[22:43]  hi jeev
[22:43]  bloody hell.
[22:43]  hugleo: ah sorry..
[22:43]  hey
[22:43]  anyway, i'm off :)  later
[22:43]  jeev x11 doesnt want to play
[22:43]  gn
[22:43]  this server doesn't have the 'host' command.
[22:43]  thrice`, bye boo.
[22:43]  hugleo: try turning off composite
[22:43]  Quiznos, what's the prob bob
[22:43]  jeev x11 doesnt want to play
[22:43]  hm...
[22:43]  macavity, what is comp;osite?
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[22:43]  hugleo: see the CHANGES_AND_HINTS.TXT on the slackware CD/DVD
[22:43]  afk.. eating
[22:43]  macavity: ok
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[22:44]  Quiznos, just doesn't start or it's ugly
[22:44]  latest x11 sux bees
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[22:44]  no input devs
[22:44]  LATEST X11 SUX BEES
[22:44]  arggggggggggggggggggggh
[22:44] Action: hitest chuckles
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[22:44]  your config the original one
[22:44]   fuck up everything man
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[22:45]  heh
[22:45] Nick change: ClAdiuM -> ClaudioM
[22:45]  :)
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[22:45]  we're going down
[22:45] Action: winter is suffering
[22:45] Action: hitest offers a beer to winter
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[22:46]  that's not enought , just been threaten by some romanian and irish people
[22:46]  brb stretch
[22:46]  made me a picture
[22:47]  a romanian guy with a american flag on him made me that picture '
[22:47]  (totally unnnatural)
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[22:54]  Hello.  I don't use KDE and would like to ditch K3b.  Can anyone recommend a good replacement for DVD/CD authoring and ripping?
[22:55]  DVDs are my main concern.  I just pulled something called asunder off of SlackBuilds.  It's doing the job for CDs.
[22:56]  ajna: did you try looking at the cli programs that k3b uses?
[22:56]  handbrake
[22:56]  ajna: vobcopy for ripping dvds
[22:56]  i take it gui is a necessitry?
[22:56]  Well, you can always use growisofs directly.
[22:56]  alisonkenlchurch.  I haven't.
[22:56]  DeVeDe for authoring ajna
[22:56]  Not a necessity, but nice to have.
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[22:56]  handbrake
[22:57]  :)
[22:57]  Thanks Pig_Pen.
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[22:57]  Dominian: interesting
[22:57]  well as for gui you're kinda limited to the biggies k3b, brasero, gomebake and then there's nero that makes one
[22:57]  alisonken1church: I used handbrake for one DVD..
[22:57]  it rips all the menus and crap out
[22:58]  I like keeping the menus, making exact copies.
[22:58]  I owe the disc - in case anyone cares; I'm not ripping off Netflix.  lol
[22:58]  One of my DVDs is cracked.  I want to copy it before the crack gets any worse.
[22:59]  if you owe it you might end up owing $250k
[22:59]  For CDs, I'm just trying to reload my MP3 player.
[22:59]  Yeah, that's silly.
[22:59]  than it's on
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[22:59]  all this trouble for one cracked dvd? must be a really good movie
[22:59]  I have the original.  The original plays.
[23:00]  I just don't want it's minor damage to become serious damage.
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[23:00]  virgin goat porn :o
[23:00]  The DVD is out of print.
[23:00]  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/6105506/Dual-screen-laptop-on-sale-by-Christmas.html
[23:01]  Oodishon - Takashii Miike
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[23:01]  why not copy it with k3b before you uninstall kde?
[23:01]  andarius: virgin?
[23:02]  for how long?
[23:03]  I'm ditching all KDE applications - I don't use KDE and want to use the few rip/burn projects I have to test/find K3b's replacement.
[23:03]  alisonken1church: yup. it was noted the dvd had to be special. since goat porn is not special it has to be of a virgin goat
[23:03]  I've been lazy; I've never used KDE, but it's applications are installed by default and available under xfce and blackbox, so I've been using them.
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[23:04]  andarius: ah - gotchaa
[23:05]  KDE 4 is kind of nice.  I couldn't stand 3 on Slackware 12.2.  Still, it's not for me.
[23:05]  andarius: was beginning to wonder if it was for sacrifice or training
[23:06]  nothing againd the eons
[23:06]  s/againd/against/
[23:06]  where's chactravanti?
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[23:08]  ajna: xfburn
[23:08]  I'll look it now.
[23:10]  I have a stupid question, I'm now using Slackware64 13, But for some reason i can't get flash to work. I download the tar from Adobe, which just gives me a libflashplayer.so. Tried moving it into /usr/lib64/firefox* and i created for the sake of trial/error a /usr/lib/firefox folder and placed it their as thats where it used to install before the 64 bit version of slack. so now im stuck. any ideas
[23:10]  dual screen laptop, thats going to be cool when that hits the store shelves, then all the folks with big bucks to spend on it will buy it and be selling their used laptops on craigslist & ebay
[23:10]  I'll check it out more thoroughly later, but I'm not too happy to see it's under heavy development.
[23:10]  it is
[23:10]  unfortunetly, but it's used to it .. .
[23:10]  valdor, is the flash plugin 64-bit?
[23:11]  vald0r: you have to hunt down the 64-bit version from adobe (alpha I think) or use the 32-bit wrapper for firefox
[23:11]  just fscking check it yourself
[23:11]  vald0r, why not use slackbuilds.org?
[23:11]  vald0r: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/
[23:11]  slackbuilds.org in this case is merely going to repackage the binary
[23:11]  It does not say on adobe's site if it is 32 or 64 bit
[23:11]  oooh a slackbuild
[23:11]  :D
[23:11]  alisonken1church: There's also a slackbuild to get it in extra/ and it makes a package.
[23:12]  vald0r: I believe there is a flash package in /extra
[23:12]  I shall check and return
[23:12]  agentc0re: yes there is
[23:12]  and decide
[23:12]  the key is your pugin needs to be 64 bit
[23:12]  vald0r: i doubt there is a SBo for flash for slackware64.
[23:12]  agentc0re: the flash package in /extra may not work with all flash crap - something about "requires adobe flash 10" comes to mind :)
[23:12]  vald0r, Slackbuild list "flash-player-plugin" for Slack64.
[23:13]  alisonken1church: Yes, there is also a download for the .so and i think it must go in the mozilla plugin's dir.  fire|bird knows where.
[23:13]  ah
[23:13]  alisonken1church: It's not a package, it's just a slackbuild that gets the source and makes a package, it's version 10
[23:13]  it's in the slamd64 readme is where i pulled it from.. still though, i think fire|bird was still having flash problems.
[23:13]  i'll be off on tomorow
[23:13]  need to move
[23:13]  Go figure.. flash, having problems..
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[23:14]  well on today
[23:14]  it's 5.14
[23:14]  ...
[23:14]  agentc0re: yes, I am. :P However youtube works, it's just certain other flash sites that crash the browsers. :P
[23:14]  winter: Okay, we'll plan for your absence.
[23:14]  Does anyone here use Slackware 13 and Opera?
[23:14]  ajna: yeah
[23:14]  heh
[23:14]  not suprised
[23:14]  Okay.  So, it's possible.  I haven't managed to get it to work yet.
[23:14]  stop insulting
[23:15] Action: agentc0re waves hand
[23:15]  There is no flash.....
[23:15] Action: fire|bird waves foot
[23:15]  agentc0re: there certainly is a SBo for 64 bit flash... I posted the link above
[23:15]  danc3: well shit, my bad.
[23:15]  The Opera source packages I'm seeing require Qt3 (including the one linked to with the slackbuild).  13 has Qt4 by default.
[23:16]  danc3: just would have figured there wouldn't be much SBo's yet for slackware64..  Guess that's what i get for ASSuming
[23:16]  ajna: You'd either need kde3-compat or wait until Tuesday when Opera 10 is released which is qt4
[23:16]  agentc0re: heh.  The SBo crew starts the new release stuff well before the actual release.
[23:16]  Tuesday it is.  Thanks fire|bird.  I hadn't thought to check on the next version's release date.
[23:16]  agentc0re: I wonder if SBo's flash will work for me. :P
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[23:17]  fire|bird: maybe.. :D  worth a go.
[23:17]  http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/multimedia/flash-player-plugin/
[23:17]  ajna: yup, it's Tuesday, I've been using the Opera 10 snapshots
[23:17]  agentc0re: yeah, gonna give it a try.
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[23:18]  This CD ripper, asunder, isn't bad.  Fast and faceless - no over the top GUI or excessive customization options.
[23:18]  ajna: grip is nice too
[23:19]  hello, any qt coder here? I just noticed that QMessageBox::Critical doesn't show any icon
[23:19]  http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[23:19]  I haven't tried it.  I just took an interest in this kind of thing today.  I was getting by with K3b.
[23:20]  Thanks guys!
[23:20]  Anyone having problems with Blender on 13?  Just curious.
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[23:20]  agentc0re: Well, SBo's is the same version, but I'm gonna give it a try. :P
[23:20]  ok, i tried exiting X/KDE and going to telinit 1 to upgrade, but i had problems
[23:20]  it said something like there was no package that needed upgrading
[23:21]  then after telinit 3 i had to reboot to connect to the 'net
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[23:22]  i guess i need to do a new installation
[23:22]  ajna: I'll install Blender here and see how it works : downloading now
[23:23]  actually this is what it said:
[23:23]  No packages match the pattern for upgrade. Try:
[23:23]  /usr/sbin/slackpkg install|reinstall
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[23:23]  Oh, I was just curious.  I didn't mean to put you through the trouble although I am having a problem with it.
[23:24]  dchmelik: after you booted to runlevel 1, what did you tell slackpkg to do next?
[23:24]  It opens, but blacks out the the screen.  I can switch workspaces and drag other things on top of it.  That makes the interface appear, but clicking anywhere on it brings back the black screen.  I"m not getting any errors when starting from the terminal.
[23:24]  BP{k}, i did 'slacpkg update && slackpkg upgrade-all'
[23:24]  ajna: disable compositing
[23:25]  I've tried that.
[23:25]  maybe reinstall would work
[23:25]  eww
[23:25]  I recall a mesa bug that affected blender; you're probably seeing it.
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[23:25]  and we don't have a solution, unfortunately :/
[23:26]  dchmelik: Well, what does the man page (which we *ALL* assume you have studied before upgrading) tell you about upgrading whole distributions?
[23:26]  it says it upgrades every installed package... but it does not say what it does if they are already installed
[23:26]  it implies i should reinstall i guess
[23:26]  BZZZZT .. *WRONG*
[23:26]  Just checked.  I am seeing something about a bad link involving a GL library.  It's probaby the mesa bug.
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[23:27]  Not such a big deal.  I just "play" with blender.  I'm not missing any work.
[23:27]  dchmelik: so it's clear you haven't read the manpage, perhaps now would be a good time to do so :)
[23:27]  i have been looking at the manpage... i just summarized it
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[23:28]  cig break.  brb
[23:28]  i guess the pre-13.0 64-bit package names are the same
[23:29]  someone told me to 'upgrade-all' earlier though
[23:29]  dchmelik: actually the manpage says this: Slackpkg can be used to upgrade the whole distribution. \n The usual way is to do: \n # slackpkg update \n # slackpkg install-new \n # slackpkg upgrade-all \n # slackpkg clean-system
[23:30]  well i do not have to install-new... upgrade-all should work anyway
[23:30]  yeah.. the dev of slackpkg has no idea what he's talking about right?
[23:30]  
[23:30]  Are there any vim gurus in here, #vim is sluggish
[23:31]  Dominian: beer:30
[23:31]  agentc0re: nope, SBo's flash does the same thing. :P
[23:31]  he he
[23:31]  UPGRADE.TXT said that you can upgradepkg and then install whatever new packages you want afterwards
[23:31]  When can one use functions like expand() ? I'm trying to make a template that includes the filename
[23:31]  i did that before
[23:31]  dchmelik: well, you misunderstood.
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[23:32]  dchmelik: for real
[23:32]  nonsense, rworkman--i am not going to install everything
[23:32]  that would be a mess
[23:32]  !
[23:32]  ajna: I can't find the bug that I was thinking of (it's no longer open in the bugzilla), so that probably means that it's fixed in mesa git, and 7.5.1 (when it releases) will have the fix.
[23:32]  dchmelik: whatever man.
[23:33]  hiptobecubic: what are you looking for?
[23:33]  vbatts, i want to be able to stick the current filneame into the file as text.
[23:34]  i think i just have to 'slackpkg reinstall' and then install whatever new stuff i want with dialog
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[23:34] Action: rworkman thinks dchmelik doesn't understand how slackpkg works.
[23:34]  yeah..
[23:34] Action: rworkman thinks I probably added three too many words.
[23:35]  23:30 < Dominian> yeah.. the dev of slackpkg has no idea what he's talking about right?
[23:35]  23:30 < Dominian> 
[23:35]  well you could either :file and hilight and paste or ":r ! ls *txt" or a more appropriate pattern
[23:35]  rworkman: ++
[23:35]  rworkman: its ok.  Everyone is an expert the first time they install Slackwre.
[23:35]  heaven forbid installing all the packages that are intended to be there
[23:35]  hehe
[23:36]  bah, the more I work/play with slackware/code/linux, the more I realise how little I truely know :)
[23:36]  BP{k} ++
[23:36]  :)
[23:36]  all i know is that i know nothing
[23:36]  BP{k}: that's the first step in admitting you have ap roblem
[23:36]  BP{k}: the next step is.. drink another beer
[23:36]  I know where the beer is ;)
[23:36]  hehehe
[23:36]  BP{k}++
[23:36]  at least you *are* attempting to know
[23:36]  vbatts: I'll be the first to admit.. I knew a lot a year ago.. I know jack shit right now
[23:37]  is there a libc call to get the current stack size
[23:37]  mainly because I'm so out of practice with everything.
[23:37]  Great.
[23:37]  g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus)
[23:37]  ouch
[23:37]  pthread_attr_getstacksize ?
[23:38]  I have no idea what it means, but I know its bad.
[23:38]  
[23:38]  Dominian: yeah.  :/
[23:38]  It's in a vm, so I'm not concerned really.  It's just that I've been trying to get this POS built all day :/
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[23:40]  internalErrors == notGood <= mmmKay
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[23:41] Nick change: ezrafree_______ -> ezrafree
[23:42] Action: spook @ uni
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[23:42]  BP{k}: its okay i'm here to help, i know everything.
[23:43]  spook: he's all yours ;)
[23:43]  BP{k}: who?
[23:44]  any ideas on the best way to check to see if my smtp is requiring user/pass to send mail through it? could i do this in telnet with some commands or something perhaps
[23:44]  spook: dchmelik, but he left it seems.
[23:44]  BP{k}: he sensed me coming.
[23:44]  it should say this, relay denied message when trying to send
[23:45]  spook: tell them to get off that damn xbox or whatever the hell they're playing, and remove that purple sweater. :P
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[23:46]  chopp: that was a chick
[23:46]  why do you think I said that
[23:46]  oh
[23:46]  lol
[23:46]  ezram alternatively you might get an auth required error code, forget the details from the rfc
[23:47]  Internal error while compiling?  This error is an indication of faulty memory or other hardware.  But in a VM?  That's adding more variables.
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[23:47]  You can run make again to resume compilation.
[23:47]  what happens when you try to send an email, whats the email error from mailer-daemon or his cousin?
[23:47]  chopp: i relayed your request
[23:47]  omg
[23:47]  553 sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts (#5.5.3 - chkuser)
[23:47]  that's what i got when i tried
[23:48]  ok, you are not in the elite crowd.....that doesn't mean it isn't auth related though, the db could be dynamicaly updated
[23:48]  rworkman - thanks for the update.  back in a few minutes.
[23:49]  ezra, do you know what MTA this is?
[23:50]  gm152: I suspect memory issues related to virtualization.  I get funny stuff like that occasionally in vm's.  I restarted it with "make -j1" and it completed fine.
[23:50]  yeah i run qmail+vpopmail+mysql
[23:50]  i mean the smpt server your trying to send mail through
[23:50] Action: hiptobecubic just discovered snippetsemu for vim
[23:50]  it's my own server i'm trying to test
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[23:51]  it's always required smtp-auth far as i know, but results from a penetration test recently said they could send mail through my smtp so now i'm checking into it
[23:51]  to make sure it's behaving
[23:51]  thats a qmail error message
[23:51]  thats a qmail error message?
[23:51]  rworkman: This box had issues relating to memory when compiling.  Those errors ceased when I clocked down the memory timings.
[23:51]  well yeah, and chkuser is a qmail patch
[23:52]  ezra, its a relay protection issue so you don't send all the nigerian millionaire emails under the sun
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[23:52]  didn't the patch come with docs?
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[23:53]  what do slackers think of gentoo ?
[23:53]  gentoo is nice
[23:53]  gaaaaaaay
[23:53]  gentoo is gay.
[23:54]  it enjoys having sex with like-minded distrobutions like fedora
[23:54]  hi, I'm using a Intel driver and my X don't is working to Slackware 13.0 version. xfce or kde frozen and only mouse remain active. Do you anybody help?
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[23:55]  hugleo:i can only help if you speak engrish better
[23:56]  mancha: the patch isn't my problem, the issue i am having is i am trying to prove to myself whether or not my server is requiring sender auth to send through smtp
[23:56]  spook: :)
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[23:58]  What do slackers think of OpenBSD?  I'm considering it for a test server.
[23:59]  pre-production web server
[23:59]  use it in a vm
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[23:59]  openbsd is quite solid
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[23:59]  spook: I've using console without framebuffer and I type startx command but X don't start :(
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