[00:02] ctrl-Z to stop it and put it in the background, then `bg %1` to make it run in the background, assuming its the only background job [00:02] D-r_Flower: you mean adding && to a command if you run it from a terminal? e.g.: firefox && ? [00:02] or switch to another console [00:02] or use screen [00:02] just i want to close that konsole without closing the process [00:02] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) joined ##slackware. [00:02] ctrl+z? [00:03] Yes. [00:03] 10x [00:03] apparently i installed the virtualbox kernel module and added the start script to rc.local, but it said the modulde hadn't loaded and gave me odd errors [00:03] Then bg to put it in the background. Then type exit (do not click X on the top right). [00:04] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:05] great [00:06] IntangibleLiquid: installed VBox through SBo? [00:06] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [00:06] slackmagic, yes, from the slackbuilds packages [00:06] modprobe the module first [00:07] IntangibleLiquid: did you read what it told you about adding lines to rc.local and also to create a vboxusers group ? [00:07] signal11_ (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.242.80.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:08] virtualbox! i am wondering how to share the printer with virtualbox mashine [00:08] slackmagic, yes [00:08] so you ran /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxnet start ? it should have loaded the vboxdrv module [00:08] groupadd -g 215 vboxusers [00:10] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:10] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:10] slackmagic, permission denied [00:11] IntangibleLiquid: the reason you add it to /etc/rc.d/rc.local is that it'll be run as root when you boot up your system, so be sure it is executable and you're running it was root [00:11] s/was/as [00:12] which mans i have to make rc.vboxnet executable? [00:13] IntangibleLiquid: you've got that right :) [00:14] :) [00:14] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:15] _adrenaline (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [00:17] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:18] welp, I'm heading out. g'nite all. slackboy, hold down the fort til' I get back will ya. [00:18] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:20] I am trying to start VirtualBox now. I don't have an rc.vboxnet. Also, I get a libcap error (No such file or directory). I see on SBo a libcap for 12.1, but not 12.2. Will the 12.1 one work? [00:22] firebird619: uhm.. libcap is in slackware-12.2 [00:22] and you should have rc.vboxnet in your /etc/rc.d/ if you used the SBo [00:22] slackmagic: I used the file on virtualbox.org to get USB support. [00:23] So, VBox isn't seeing libcap, what can I do to resolve that? [00:23] metbsd (n=AXT@unaffiliated/metbsd) joined ##slackware. [00:23] ##slackware: mode change '+b metbsd*!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:23] metbsd kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: metbsd - trolling, abusive, ban avoidance. Seeya! [00:23] firebird619: is libcap installed? [00:23] slackmagic, so next time the kernel modules will be loaded automaticaly right? installing xp on VB :) [00:24] BP{k}: Yes. libcap-2.14-i486-1 [00:25] I suppose it has to do with the fact I used the file from virtualbox.org? Is there something else I should have done so it will see libcap? [00:25] IntangibleLiquid: they should as long as you're not taking off the exectuable permissions off rc.vboxdrv and rc.vboxnet [00:26] firebird619: you're trying to use the vbox binary from their site? [00:26] firebird619: never really tried playing around with USB with any of the VMS I'm running but I thought USB support was already on VirtualBox 2.0.6 and up [00:26] rworkman: Yes, so I can have USB support. [00:26] slackmagic: In the OSE version like what is on SBo? [00:27] firebird619: they depend on libcap-1.x. [00:27] firebird619: there is an *ugly* workaround. [00:27] slackmagic: I can look again, but I thought I seen on virtualbox.org that USB wasn't in OSE version, but eventually it would be. [00:27] slarewack (n=AXT@unaffiliated/metbsd) joined ##slackware. [00:27] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@unaffiliated/metbsd' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:27] slarewack kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: say() metbsd is a troll. [00:27] lol [00:27] And I'm sad to say that I'm about to go against the very advice I gave earlier. [00:28] someone tell Old_Fogie that slackboy has been good while he's has his rest :) [00:28] rworkman: oh no not another [00:28] cd /lib ; ln -s libcap.so.2 libcap.so.1 [00:28] s/has/had bah..I can't type tonight [00:28] rworkman: Ok, and I have 2.14. Would you use the work around or skip USB support for now and use the OSE version? :) [00:28] firebird619: however, if you run into problems, you're on your own. [00:29] firebird619: Well, I only know about that solution since I did it here :) [00:29] Action: rob0 is on his own too! [00:29] rworkman: Ok. thanks. Also, the other day you helped me with digikam. Any idea of what would cause the Batch menu to be blank? [00:29] hba (n=hba@189.188.159.195) left irc: "leaving" [00:30] firebird619: no, I don't. alienBOB is a better person to ask about it, as he uses it. However, he's not awake right now, I don't think. [00:30] rworkman: Ok, I will ask him the next time I see him online. Thank you for the help. [00:30] Good luck. [00:30] rworkman: Thanks. [00:30] Just remember to remove that symlink after you odn't need it any more (vbox upgrade, hopefully) [00:31] rworkman: Ok. [00:31] rworkman: !!! u suggest him to do exactly what u forbit to me???? [00:31] That's really an ugly, *ugly* solution, but it's the only good one. [00:31] D-r_Flower: yeah, it's a bad idea, but it's unavoidable in this case. [00:31] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:31] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) left irc: "Leaving" [00:32] yes [00:32] isnt it possible to have 2 versions of that library [00:32] or any other [00:32] Honestly, I'm not sure. I recall reading about the API change on LKML, and from memory, no. [00:33] fact: rworkman's flesh actually lights on fire everytime he has to tell someone to use a hacky symlink ^^ [00:33] It was a big brouhaha there, because the API change *had* to happen due to weaknesses in the implementation, but it basically broke every third party app that linked it. [00:33] A-life: today would be the first time I've ever recommended that anyone do that. :) [00:33] sherique (n=one@adsl-68-93-142-177.dsl.snantx.swbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:33] As with everything, there are rules, and there are exceptions. [00:34] Ok, next question. :) I have been trying to burn some files to DVD using growisofs. When the burn is done, the files on the DVD are not in there respective folders as I have them in /home. Is there a way to fix that? [00:34] rworkman: lies, lies and denile. [00:34] hehe [00:34] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) joined ##slackware. [00:34] rawr s/denile/denial [00:35] sed: -e expression #1, char 7: unterminated `s' command [00:35] rawr s/denile/denial/g #planning for the future. [00:35] actually char 15 for pedantry's sake. [00:36] the s bird cries awk! [00:36] firebird619: not sure about that. I just take the easy way out and use k3b or xfburn :) [00:36] dive: i love it, haha [00:36] rworkman: I use an external burner and everytime I use k3b the burner just sits there and spins up and down constantly. [00:37] the awk hawk :o) [00:37] rworkman: I could give xfburn a try though. [00:37] firebird619, how are you make the image? with mkisofs? [00:37] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 300K 2008-09-16 13:14 /bin/gawk-3.1.6* [00:37] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root bin 94K 2006-02-15 15:28 /bin/sed* [00:38] s/make/making/g [00:38] it's too early for grammar [00:38] dive: I didn't make an image with this, I just used growisofs to burn it. Would making an iso first help keep the files in the right directories? [00:38] grammar police know no time. [00:39] yes usually firebird619 [00:39] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:39] dive: Ok. I could give that a try. Any certain options I should pass with it too? [00:39] make and iso with mkisofs, then burn with growisofs [00:39] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [00:39] firebird619, depends on the contents [00:39] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [00:40] dive: Pictures [00:40] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:40] can't think pf anything in particular right now - usually there are some options for making a video dvd [00:41] dive: Ok, Thank you. [00:41] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [00:41] but you can make the iso and then mount it and check that everything is in place [00:41] before burning [00:41] dive: How do I do that? :) Sorry, I've never done that before. [00:42] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [00:42] firebird619: mount /path/to/foo.iso /mnt/ -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 [00:42] mkdir test; mount -o loop test image.iso [00:42] Ok, Thanks. [00:43] or what he said [00:43] ive probably got things ass about face as usual [00:43] dive: :) Ok. [00:43] been a while since ive done that [00:44] sahko2 (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-183-37.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [00:44] i need to make some new scripts for burning from cli [00:44] I also tend to just launch k3b for things like that nowadays :) [00:45] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:45] yeah same here [00:45] well i made some scripts for converting avi -> dvd [00:45] slackmagic: Do you have any idea why my external burn spins up and down with K3B. It happens on every distro I've ever used. [00:46] but nowdays i just burn the avi straight to disk since my dvd player can play avi and mpeg [00:46] Hey, I got more than 200M memory taken up with on xfce, is it leaking RAM ? [00:46] firebird619: no idea, but I know that my DVD-RW requires me to "warm it up" by inserting a CD, trying to read it before it's being recognized by k3b...odd but that's how it works for me [00:47] otherwise k3b can't see it, won't see it or won't know I even have an optical drive..very strange I know [00:47] I'm following the README_USB.txt on how to make a bootable slack flash drive. However it limits the partition to 25meg. Is there a simple way to resize the partition or use dd to create a valid size so I can also include the entire /slackware dir on my flash drive? [00:47] slidercrank (n=tehnik@91.192.114.175) joined ##slackware. [00:47] firebird619, k3b is just a frontend for cmmand line tools - you need to try burn something then have a look at the command output - take note of which programs its using and try other methods [00:47] slackmagic: I have put the CD or DVD in the drive before starting K3B even and waiting until it shows up on the desktop, etc. and then as soon as I open K3B, it starts the spin up and down behavior. [00:48] firebird619: and external drive can read CDs/DVDs just fine right? ever been successful in burning a CD/DVD with it? [00:48] firebird619, so it does tha before even trying to burn? [00:48] dive: yes. [00:48] slackmagic: With xburn, brasero, cli tools, etc. the drive reads/burns great. [00:49] probably a bug in k3b then [00:50] firebird619: i was going to say, maybe that drive does not particularly work with k3b? I can't really imagine this scenario, but it's possible. why not stick to xburn or the other tools for burning? [00:50] dive: That could be. My internal burner works ok with it, but the internal burner exhibits odd behavior sometimes, so I don't like to use that one, hence the external burner. [00:51] liza0 (n=liza@76.76.163.139) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:51] slackmagic: I will stick with other tools, I was just curious as to why K3B caused this issue. [00:51] on a sidenote, you guys should try some cold sake (korean) ...they'll give you some great buzz, although, buzzes are all the same right? rofl :D [00:53] always wanted to try sake [00:53] it's nice but usually has to be drunk at a very particular temperature [00:54] didn't know they drunk it in korea though [00:54] Nick change: firebird619 -> firebird619_away [00:54] ##slackware: mode change '+b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [00:54] firebird619_away kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: please turn off your auto-away functionality on your client when frequenting this channel...same thing for if you've manually set yourself to 'away'. The channel doesn't need to know and you can always SILENTLY set your mode to 'away'. [00:54] How difficult would it be to write a script that compares two filetrees of mp3s and copies the higher bitrate of the two to a third folder? Effectively hybridizing the two groups into a third group made of the best ones. [00:54] yea i thought it was a japanese thing myself, but i can't really claim to be cultured :) [00:54] hiptobecubic: doesn't sound too hard [00:55] what slackware package contains the executable 'altertrack'? [00:55] just like there's rice in japan, there'll be rice in korea. Both countries make perfectly fine sake :) [00:55] would need some command to read an mp3 bitrate ect without actually playing it [00:55] hiptobecubic: how are you finding the bitrate? [00:55] A-life, haven't even started trying to write it yet. i have no idea [00:56] hiptobecubic: any scripting experiancE? [00:56] minus that capital e. [00:56] not a huge amount of BASH, but python yes [00:57] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:57] and i can make some useless trash in c++ [00:57] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [00:57] ahh, i could probably help you write something in bash pretty quick if you needed it, but im sure python would suffice :) [00:57] i'm not sure python would be any faster [00:58] ahh, well i could probably do it in bash within a few minutes [00:59] if you are searching for some help, because im trying to put off work [00:59] ^^ [01:00] mplayer -frames 0 shows the bitrate in there somewhere without playing, if nothing else [01:01] A-life, sounds fabulous! [01:01] only thing is id really need some samples of the mp3's or a shell on the machine with the mp3s [01:01] Anyone use xfce ? [01:01] i'll throw up some examples.. please hold [01:01] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@75-107-35-205.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] hi [01:01] right on, just enough to give me a working example of the two directories that need to be compared ^^ [01:01] pip: nope, i'm a fluxboxer :) [01:01] pip: icewm here :) [01:01] lol [01:01] leave me alone [01:01] the lead dev members of flux are assholes [01:01] i have a tool i had sitting around to do it as well [01:01] pip, yes [01:02] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-141-176.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] i quit flux... used it for at least 5 years [01:02] that works too [01:02] :D [01:02] D-r_Flower (n=incognit@212.233.241.162) left ##slackware ("Kopete 0.12.7 : http://kopete.kde.org"). [01:02] Cann0n: you don't have to personally know the president of Lexus to drive one :) [01:02] slackmagic, no... that was a bad example... [01:03] dive, I got 270MB RAM eaten ,I don't know why [01:03] there isn't a #lexus support channel... [01:04] pip, i get that without a mw [01:04] mw is ? [01:04] er wm [01:04] window manager [01:04] or de [01:04] lol [01:04] you have 270 eaten w/o a wm dive? [01:04] What is the plural of Lexus? [01:04] what ? [01:05] linux likes to hold on to memory for later use [01:05] rob0, dunno... a dealer ship? [01:05] i boot up to like 40~ [01:05] i wouldn't worry too much about it [01:05] A-life, seeing as i can't find a single example... perhaps i only thought i needed it. [01:05] pip: where are you getting your figure from out of curiosity? [01:05] dive, So how much taken when your xfce is running ? [01:05] No one knows the plural ... no one can afford more than one! [01:05] can rsync do a virtual update? where it just gives you a list of what it would have done? [01:05] rob0: Lexus [01:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [01:06] (I heard that one on Car Talk.) [01:06] hiptobecubic: haha, i see, well if you do go ahead and give me a jingle and ill write you something [01:06] A-life, free -m [01:06] pip: kk ^^ [01:06] A-life, great thanks [01:06] pip, right now i have 468208 used out of 512MB and I'm not even using X [01:06] Action: pip runs [01:07] total used free shared buffers cached [01:07] Mem: 513388 468208 45180 0 306016 77720 [01:07] Swap: 1474160 52 1474108 [01:07] You are not on X right now ? [01:07] nope [01:07] just in cli [01:07] Cann0n: my bad, sake can do that to you sometimes...giving bad examples that is :) [01:07] runnign screen [01:07] dive: Using mkisofs first did the trick. Thanks again. [01:07] Linux isn't windows. Used memory is not a bad thing. [01:07] firebird619, np [01:08] dive: whats eating all the memory? [01:08] no idea nooper but it's running fine [01:08] rworkman is right, it doesn't go into a black hole never to be seen again [01:08] :P [01:08] i mean, could you check? [01:08] Cann0n_ (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:08] if i run top if shows top is highest using 0.2% [01:08] If you have four chairs in your house, and three people are there, you don't kick them all out just in case two more show up. If two more do show up, you let them take turns sitting. [01:09] you've got all that memory! use it! wisely :) [01:09] Does anybody know where to get 'altertrack'? Some slackbuild scripts refer to this tool but I can't find it on my slackware dvd [01:09] my usage on 'free -m' is equally outrageous. I think it has more to do with the kernel's cacheing... no point in killing [01:09] Empty chairs are no better than, and actually worse than, full chairs. You've got the chairs - use them. [01:09] but if you really really want to see it go down.. there is a command for it... hold on [01:09] halt [01:09] lol [01:09] haha [01:10] why does it seem like I'm imaging Robby holding up both his hands, shouting: "Halt" ! - Now! [01:10] Nah, that would spill my beer. [01:10] But some users only have around 80MB taken on xfce4.X, So there must be a reason [01:10] Action: slackmagic pops open another bottle of cold sake [01:11] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [01:11] slidercrank (n=tehnik@91.192.114.175) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [01:11] dive, as root try... sync && echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches [01:11] pip, it depends what programs you've been using before [01:11] slackmagic, can has share? [01:11] Cann0n_ (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Client Quit [01:11] firefox and terminal [01:11] and some panel plugins [01:12] A-life: sure, you're living around the DFW area? hehe [01:12] slackmagic, le sigh :) [01:12] hiptobecubic, : [01:12] total used free shared buffers cached [01:12] Mem: 513388 78336 435052 0 600 20804 [01:13] slackmagic: aha, now next time I visit Dallas, I've got two or three different people to call in beers. :) [01:13] daidoji (n=daidoji@71-12-89-107.dhcp.spbg.sc.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:13] Nick change: juice_ -> juice [01:13] rworkman: yep I know, a bunch of people down here :) [01:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:15] slackmagic, i got a server in the DFW area [01:15] edman007: which company? [01:15] rackspace [01:15] i have access to the server anyways...make them give me the beer [01:15] A-life: le sigh? you're canadian or speaking french? [01:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [01:16] edman007: hehe [01:16] hiptobecubic, Okay, after executing your command, I have got 200M now [01:16] nullboy, slackmagic has beer, lets mug him [01:16] :D [01:16] rofl, if I can mug nullboy of all his HDDs he manages, I'll be fine with that :D [01:16] pip, dive, be aware, however, that this /should/ actually SLOW things down [01:17] lol [01:17] because you just cleared all the apps in cache [01:17] lol [01:17] hiptobecubic, i've echoed it back to 0 [01:17] what does 0 mean to do ? [01:17] dive i don' tthink you need to keep changing it, it's a proc [01:17] pip, docs! [01:17] no idea but that's what was in there before [01:18] http://www.linuxinsight.com/proc_sys_vm_drop_caches.html [01:18] ok [01:19] pip, and with that device it does not hold a value, writing to it executes an action [01:19] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "sleep" [01:20] thus writing to it again redoes it, you wouldn't write back to it... [01:20] anyways, its only really useful for benching the disk [01:20] Yeah [01:20] Nick change: supergear_ -> superGear [01:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [01:22] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [01:22] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:22] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:23] oh scifi channel, what would i do without you and your 10 year old ripleys episodes? [01:23] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:23] A-life, 500G 366G 135G 74% /var/mythtv [01:23] rofl [01:23] lol, whatchu got on there? [01:24] and i setup mythbuntu on my old system [01:24] /dev/md0 688G 566G 115G 84% /DATA [01:24] \m| [01:24] A-life, movies (HBO/encore), and scifi shows [01:25] nullboy, i was only referencing my recorded mpg files... [01:25] SysInfo: Linux 2.6.28 | Dual Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5410 @ 2.33GHz MHz (8 cores) | Mem: 3153/8166M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 729G Free: 284G | Screen Res: 1680x1050 | Procs: 288 | Up: 01:25:18 up 4 days, 2:13, 15 users, load average: 0.46, 0.55, 0.65 [01:25] i was referencing my epenis [01:25] 1680x1050? pssssssssh [01:25] 288 procs huh? [01:26] got some torrents running there too? :D [01:26] slackmagic, two...slack and mythbuntu [01:26] nice [01:26] A-life, i'm accepting donations [01:26] 3840x1200 [01:26] ;) [01:27] don't feel bad, I've got a 1900x1200 and a 1680x1050 too :) [01:27] A-life, well i only have one nice LCD, so right now one free DVI, and i still have a free PCIe 2.0 16x slot [01:27] 2960x1050 here [01:27] Action: edman007 cries [01:27] lol [01:27] plz donate [01:28] my dual 24 benq's are my babies ^^ [01:28] edman007: what's her nick on IRC again? wasn't she supposed to donate a lcd to you? [01:28] nixor_chick or something IIRC [01:28] slackmagic, right [01:28] i remember nixor_chick! [01:28] nix_chix0r.. [01:28] she is not here :( [01:28] ah yeah, that's her nick [01:28] bah, women! [01:28] where is slackware-jennie ? [01:28] i got a amd 3000+, and a 1.5Ghz P4 with heatsink, and i'm willing to trade! [01:28] they promise you lcd's and give you nothing but pain. [01:29] edman007: that amd proc is relatively cheap though - I've got one on the way now :) [01:29] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [01:30] edman007: good luck on finding that donation via your amd bundle :) [01:30] bah, i still have a 3500+ :( [01:30] error_developer_ (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:30] rworkman, so? you want it? i have a few 10/100 NICs too [01:30] pip_ (n=root@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:30] Hmm.. what would be a good way to see if dpms is on or off? [01:30] and uhh....i might have one or two ati 128 rage pros (one with the mac firmware) [01:30] edman007: well, if I'd known Friday that you had it, I would have gladly exchanged some money with you. [01:30] alkos333, go to bed and wake up [01:31] I'm trying to come up with a short acpi script that would run vbetool dpms on if it's off and vice versa [01:31] rworkman, lol...yea, i can't get rid of the thing... [01:31] edman007: I certainly admire your sense of humor, but NO :) [01:32] alkos333, check the X log? [01:32] 128 rage pro = <3 [01:32] Action: edman007 looks throw the junk he has... [01:32] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:33] also xset can enable or disable features [01:33] xset -q [01:33] will show if it is enabled I believe [01:33] edman007, i will trade you a functioning 50mhz compuadd, complete with built in trackball, for that amd chip :D [01:34] how about 2x 256MB sticks of PC800 Rambus Ram? [01:35] bah, shifty dealer. [01:35] That shit's expensive. If you've got an old 1st-generation P4, you might can use that PC800 stuff. [01:35] i got some PC100/PC133 in various sizes (32-128MB mostly)...and one SO-DIMM...not sure what size [01:36] edman007: rofl, I've got those memory modules in my old system [01:36] PC2700 by chance? [01:36] i probably have 50 in that area edman, lol [01:36] rworkman, i don't have anything that takes rambus...i don't have a clue where i got it [01:36] haha [01:37] If anyone's got a 256 or greater stick of PC2700 desktop memory that they're willing to part with free or cheap, /msg me please :) [01:37] yep, 512 MB PC800 RDRAM (2x256) in my old Dell Dimension 8100 from about 7 years ago) [01:37] nope, all my DDR and up is in use :) [01:37] uhhh, i actually want to say that i do rworkman, don't qoute me on it, if i found it you'd be welcome to it [01:37] i got a usb->ethernet adaptor... [01:37] 06:37 < A-life> uhhh, i actually want to say that i do rworkman, don't qoute me on it, if i found it you'd be welcome to it [01:37] juice: Hmmm ... checking the log.. there's nothing about it in the log when I run vbetool dpms on and off [01:37] I don't personally need it - it's a customer box I'm working on. I told them that I probably had some lying around that I could throw in for free, but I was wrong. [01:38] rob0: lol [01:38] That would be bad, taken out of context ;) [01:38] roflk [01:38] rob0, lolol [01:38] rofl [01:38] I just looked in here ... omg, tmi [01:38] A-life: if you find it in the next day or so, ping me - I'm interested. [01:38] juice: it could turn the screen's power off even if I'm not running X [01:38] blah lemme go look through the drawer. [01:38] need some more dew anyway. [01:39] The sad thing is, I'll find it a month from now. I know I had soem at one point. Of course, like many others here, I tend to accumulate junk. [01:40] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] I have a 100MB hard drive [01:40] ohh...found some real run, a cirrus logic pci vid card...the memories! [01:40] I've got a brand new PCI<-->PCMCIA adapter that I bought thinking I was going to need it, but turned out to be wrong. [01:41] I have one of those [01:41] And I have two Trident TVGA ones too [01:41] pegal_linux (n=digoz@222.124.222.178) joined ##slackware. [01:41] Motoko-chan, did you remove an eye with a spoon too? [01:41] Huh? [01:42] Action: Motoko-chan also has some 5.25in floppy drives [01:42] I found one of those tonight in my memory search :) [01:42] and a zip drive. [01:42] bah, had to leave those behind prior to my big move from Austria to the United States :) [01:42] Motoko-chan, damn this has dumb linux drivers....it was so bad i actually used the vesa driver because it would work after the screen went black (that card likes the sleep of death) [01:42] and i have 3 8139 nics :) [01:43] I have all kinds of nic, ones with ethernet and bnc even [01:43] Do they go batshit crazy in 2.6.28 (the 8139's)? [01:43] I have an original SCSI-1 Zip. [01:43] rworkman, dunno, they have been pretty calm sitting in that antistatic bag... [01:44] And one of the early USB ones that needed external power. [01:44] There are two drivers for those now, 8139cp and 8139too, and they have dupe pciids (which is necessary). I've heard of some issues... [01:44] pretty sure i fried at least one too [01:44] which package contains libgnome.so ? [01:44] pip: null [01:45] My xscreensaver needs it to work properly [01:45] Where did you get that screensaver? [01:45] pip, IOException() [01:45] slackpkg [01:46] No you didn't [01:46] liez! [01:46] I did [01:46] What's actually asking for libgnome? [01:46] Action: slackmagic grabs some popcorn, watches the screen, and munches away [01:47] libglad--WARNING could not find libgnoem.so [01:47] bah, ive got a 128 2700 rworkman [01:47] Here's the problem: slackpkg only works with official Slackware packages. The official xscreensaver package most *certainly* does not need libgnome. [01:47] pip: okay, where did you get the glade package? [01:47] same [01:47] What exactly are you doing to get that warning? [01:47] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:48] it's just xscreensaver's demo [01:48] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Action: slackmagic is amazed how well rworkman's brain still functions after a few beers.... *bows down* [01:48] and it still works, right? [01:48] ha [01:48] pip: that was for you [01:48] Yes, seems not big deal [01:48] lol [01:49] pip: then something in libglade probably has a soft dlopen() for libgnome. Nothing we can do about it, and it's harmless. [01:49] Action: edman007 harms it [01:49] Well, it was harmless. [01:49] *cowers in fear* [01:49] Action: slackmagic thumbs up to edman007 [01:49] A-life: no big deal ; thanks for looking anyway ) [01:49] okay [01:50] rworkman: has to be 2700+? [01:50] Vic1ous_ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-141-176.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [01:50] A-life: yeah. I can order a 256 stick from newegg for under $10, and it will be here in a couple of days, so I'll probably just do that. [01:51] The deal is, they've got an XP box with 256MB in it. That's *got* to be dog slow. [01:51] I know 512MB will run it adequately, as my work computer has that in it. [01:52] rworkman, depending on when i order it (3-4pm) i get cat stuff in under 24 hours with the 3 day shipping [01:52] cricket[b] (n=cricket@ppp-70-253-92-35.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:52] edman007: yeah, me too, depending on where it ships from [01:53] From Memphis, if I order early in the day, it's not uncommon for it to be on the doorstep at 9AM the next day. [01:53] Of course, I'm sure there's at least one employee at newegg who's funded solely by me. :) [01:53] ahh [01:53] :D [01:54] its just aggrivating, one of those times you know you have it in the junk pile but its not turning up [01:54] lol [01:54] indeed [01:55] rworkman, can you fund me? [01:55] Oh I ordered some RAM before xmas, horrible experience! The "egg saver" shipping took 7 days from Memphis to Little Rock. [01:55] edman007: haha [01:55] edman007, i somehow magically have some rambus shit as well [01:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] They sent it via DHL, who carried it 400 miles out of the way and there, gave it to USPS [01:55] rob0: really? I ordered something on the 16th, and it arrived on the 19th [01:56] Oh, DHL. Wow. FedEx almost always brings stuff here. [01:56] I get overnight delivery via UPS. [01:56] they almost always ship from NJ for me, and its more or less guaranteed overnight from there, but UPS delivers at 4-6pm usually in this area :( [01:56] (UPS ground) [01:56] and then you buy something big and they ship from cali :( [01:57] that was a perk living in so-cal, any instock order was next-day shipping [01:57] yea, UPS ground is overnight depending on where you are [01:57] Likewise, being close to Memphis is good for Neweggs. [01:58] SiegeX, newegg has a warehouse in NJ, the NYC area is overnight from there [01:58] rob0, close to Memphis is good for anything shipped through fedex [01:58] I did have one instance a year or so ago where FedEx forgot to drop the package off in Montgomery, so it went from there to somewhere in south Florida, and from there to somewhere in Georgia, and then finally back to Montgomery and then to me [01:58] that too [01:59] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:01] my dad use to work for fedex...thats nice when you can take it off the truck the night before [02:01] and cheap shipping... [02:01] hehe [02:02] and playing in their mini server room.... [02:02] and drinking hot cocoa? [02:02] intosh (n=adam@epg36.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [02:02] yup [02:02] audacity keeps eating hardcore poop for me [02:02] i click record and SPLAT [02:03] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [02:03] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "bedtime, night all" [02:04] its funny though just how old their stuff was when i was there, running win2k and all their tools were either DOS or mainframe apps [02:04] i don't know if they changed much... [02:04] hooraaay x-files [02:04] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [02:05] edman007: i love companies with software from the DOS days [02:05] edman007, i have quite a few friends that work for a large company that maintains the IT aspect of hospitals, almost everything hearalds from DOS [02:06] A-life, yea...their stuff was OLD, most of it actually made use of the caps lock key (and thus my dad is the type that is always chatting in caps) [02:06] superGear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:06] ^^ [02:06] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. 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[02:15] well night guys, girls, and A-life [02:16] edman007: g'night [02:16] night night edman :D [02:19] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:20] hey does anyone know if there is a strict build order for the alsa stuff on slackware? i'd assume the lib should be built first followed by the utils and then the compat? [02:22] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] (##slackware) Channel ban on metbsd*!*@* expired. [02:24] ##slackware: mode change '-b metbsd*!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:27] Rat409 (n=greg@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware. [02:28] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@unaffiliated/metbsd expired. [02:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@unaffiliated/metbsd' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:30] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:31] rworkman, thanks. I got xtables-addons, new kernel (actually it's .28) and iptables 1.4.2 running on Slackware 12.0 :) [02:33] i wish there was a hardware switch to slow down the cpu. kind of like the old 486 turbo buttons [02:34] rockets (i=rockets@pool-68-237-91-136.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] rockets (i=rockets@pool-68-237-91-136.ny325.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [02:39] vdsy (n=vdsy@S0106001a70765e17.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:39] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:39] hmm [02:42] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:44] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:47] pegal_linux (n=digoz@222.124.222.178) left irc: Connection timed out [02:47] with slacks USB boot.img file.. Is there a simple way to expand the partition so I can toss the slackware/ directory on the disk too? gparted seems to report the partition as full yet anything says the disk is full (except fdisk but I can't expand from there) [02:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [02:49] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-114-204.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [02:51] slidercrank: very good :) [02:52] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [02:54] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [02:55] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [02:55] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [02:57] Wescotte: sombody came in with this very same question and I suggested mounting the image file with mount -o loop, copying in the /slackware stuff and then writing that to the USB key. [02:57] however, I'm not sure if that worked [02:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "entranced... swt" [02:59] SiegeX: mounting the image makes the filesystem limited to 25meg so I can't really put anything else on it. [03:00] - [03:00] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/usbinstall/ [03:01] Wescotte: ^^ [03:01] So it looks like the installer doesn't support any of the broadcom ethernet cards? [03:01] alkos333: Use "P b44" [03:01] Vic1ous__ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-141-176.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [03:01] Some of them are not in the probe list. [03:01] rworkman: ah thank you very much [03:01] I just ran across the b44 one tonight on a box I'm working on for a client [03:02] rworkman: Thanks :) [03:02] alkos333: if you know the module it uses, you can do all the legwork on your own: modprobe b44 ; dhcpcd eth0 [03:02] (and not run the network script) [03:02] rworkman: Right, got that :) [03:02] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. 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[03:13] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:13] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [03:13] trend (n=trend@97.81.102.39) joined ##slackware. [03:13] hello [03:13] http://www.bofhcam.org/co-larters/infernal-filesystem/ [03:15] i have a 3ware raid card.. one of the hds became degraded.. so i ripped out the hds.. and now i want to hookup one of the hds to my system via usb > ide convertor.. but ocne i do that it says sdb: unknown partition table [03:15] any suggestions? [03:15] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:15] ktabic: Lol, thanks [03:16] if you're trying to access the existing data, I doubt it will work [03:16] desperado667: np :) [03:16] it was raid1, not raid0 [03:16] i just don't understand [03:18] the 3ware looks to be a hardware raid system, so the HDDs are handled by the raid card [03:18] yeah [03:19] Vic1ous_ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-141-176.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:19] oh well... i guess i am running into a wall .. need to just hook them back up and extract the data [03:20] nite [03:20] trend (n=trend@97.81.102.39) left irc: "Leaving" [03:21] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [03:27] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:27] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:28] http://www.markus-bader.de/MB-Ruler/ Anyone know if Linux has software like this? [03:28] I am using it on Windows right now, and it's amazing for graphic design. [03:33] Desperado667: hey [03:33] debCarlos (n=carlos@190-76-104-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) joined ##slackware. [03:33] foureyes779: Hey again [03:33] How are you doing? [03:34] Hi there, i'm going to install slack in a HP pavilion dv5000 (first time user !), do you have any advise ? [03:34] doing good, just trying to relearn slackware a bit [03:34] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-71-104-179-50.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:34] debCarlos go untill it breaks, then fix it. [03:34] :) [03:34] heh [03:35] foureyes779: What are you trying to relearn? [03:35] debCarlos: make sure you have the instructions as well as any troubleshooing doc's printed out [03:35] ok [03:35] Desperado667: just abt everything really. been away from Slack for a few years [03:35] google your model number & the keyword linux following. [03:36] instlling just abt ANY distro on a laptop can be troublesome [03:36] does Slack still have CD2 as a liveCD ? [03:36] Most. I hardly had any trouble with Slackware on my PCG-FRV26 Sony Vaio. [03:37] Why foureyes779? [03:37] I wa seduced by Ubunslut for a while [03:38] Ubuntu batted those big blue eyes at me and wiggled it's lil butt and I was hooked [03:39] i have a weird problem after waking up from suspend, the processor eats more resources until an X restart. [03:39] Ubuntu have good laptop support, yes. But i don't feel comfortable with him :S [03:39] Which one is the current release of Slack? [03:39] …I was running Ubuntu on my computer out in the hamshack for a while [03:39] Slackware 21.2 [03:39] now with more time machine [03:40] till I did an upgrade and it broke everything [03:40] damn, must have missed a few releases, I'm still on 12.2 :P [03:40] I figured "shit"< I might as well be running slack [03:40] xD [03:40] heh [03:40] ktabic: you just didnt modprobe time_machine [03:40] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] s/21.2/12.2 [03:41] the site is quite on the past too, it says latest one is 12.2 :P [03:41] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-0a145b4185131792) joined ##slackware. [03:41] its a paradox, quick hit F5 before you're whole family disappears [03:41] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:41] can only afford one dox [03:42] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:42] Whoooo is the man in the suit.... [03:42] So, would you help me downloading it? I went to slackware-12.2-iso (or something alike) but all the files there are checksums or .asc (don't know what's that) [03:42] Harvey Birdman! Attorney at law! [03:42] Alright, I'm stupid. I should be asleep right now. [03:43] Good night all [03:43] Desperado667: night [03:43] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left ##slackware. [03:44] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] ok, never mind, i got into another mirror and they are there :P [03:47] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Is there something like debian netinst ? [03:48] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@89-96-108-186.ip12.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-0a145b4185131792) left irc: "Leaving" [03:50] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:50] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-0a59fe979cf05b69) joined ##slackware. [03:51] what exactly occurs in a netinst? [03:52] it installs a minimal install from the CD and downloads the rest from the web [03:52] you could do that if you were so inclined debCarlos [03:52] how ? [03:52] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [03:52] from an ftp mirror off the net would be one way [03:52] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] there is an ftp installation option [03:53] Thing is i don't want to download 6?? mb cause my internet connection is limited :( [03:53] I'm allowed to download 4GB for month, nothing more [03:53] i see i see [03:54] well you can do it, but its not as straightforward as a netinst [03:54] how ? [03:55] download the minimal files you need to make cd1 [03:55] off a mirror [03:55] or, if you want, download the usbboot img [03:55] then pick just the packages you want during setup, and use a ftp mirror off the net to let it grab the files [03:58] ok... [03:58] maybe it's better to wait to days and download the whole image :) [03:58] hehe sorry i dont have a neato howto to link you :D, but thats a way you could go about it [03:58] oh, sorry it's two not to [03:59] it really wouldn't be too hard [03:59] just take a bit of thinking [03:59] ^^ [04:00] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [04:01] thing is i probably would make a mess and install ubuntu again to uninstall it in ten days ^^ [04:01] hehe [04:01] well do you have a usb drive? [04:01] because going off the usb installer would be really easy [04:01] imo [04:01] Yes [04:02] but not exactly here [04:02] :P [04:02] So, slackware have a package manager too ? [04:03] yea, but not what you would probably call one if you have a strictly debian background. [04:03] panda (n=gabriele@83.139.194.36) joined ##slackware. [04:03] ^^ [04:03] why ? [04:03] slapt-get would be apt-like, but the offical package manager is slackpkg [04:04] slackpkg just works with official packages though. [04:04] compile it, or slackbuilds it [04:04] you'll live a longer, happier life. [04:04] :P [04:04] :) [04:04] well, true if it doesnt exist as an official package [04:05] debCarlos: what was it that made you start looking at Slackware ? [04:05] of course, if its an official package thats always the way to go. [04:06] foureyes779: Well... i saw the logo at some blog and i liked it ^^ [04:06] heh [04:07] debCarlos: the thing with Slackware, is if you want to learn how a linux system works, slack is the way to go. [04:07] forutnately it wasnt that new logo that made slackware into a palindrome [04:07] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] it has a higher learning curve than most other distro's though [04:08] they used to say, if you want to learn redhat use redhat, if you want to learn linux use slackare. [04:08] s/slackare/slackware/ [04:08] or something along those lines ^^ [04:08] yes, that's another reason to use it [04:08] debCarlos: just be ready to really learn, do alot of reading and asking questions as you go along [04:08] i will [04:09] debCarlos: I was using Ubuntu until the last update, a month or so ago [04:09] even if you dont like slackware now and decide to go with something else, chances are you'll be back some day in the future =) [04:09] when I updated Ubuntu, and it borked my video, sound and WiFi all up, I said screw it [04:10] yes [04:10] ubuntu updates chill my spine [04:10] lol [04:10] I figured I might as well be using Slack, and really learn how those things work [04:11] it doesn't hold your hand, but it also doesn't get in your way. For beginners that first one can be daunting, for veterans the both become positives [04:11] Im going to be installing Slackware on my computer out in the ham-shack and use it for radio control and logging [04:11] s/the/they [04:11] blop00 (n=not@mia.com.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:11] but, the community is great so as long as you're willing to put in some foot work, people are here to help you over the humps [04:12] look first, ask questions later [04:12] once you learn slack, really learn it, you'll never leave [04:12] google is your friend [04:13] i wish we had bob dobbs in the logo [04:13] :P [04:13] should take a look at noobfarm also, gives good examples of how NOT to ask for help when you have aproblem [04:14] Where's noobfarm foureyes779 ? [04:14] dont: paste your entire error code here, unless you like rejoining irc channels for fun. [04:15] www.noobfarm.org [04:15] A-life: heh we really should [04:15] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] noobfarm - noob farm ? [04:17] noob newbie [04:17] www.noobfarm.org [04:17] new person to linux or a distro [04:18] also some pretty funny stuff on there as well [04:18] i think ill find myself there one day [04:18] :D [04:19] lw0x15: i've been lucky so far [04:19] hah, I have a few posts up there [04:20] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-114-204.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [04:21] heh, it's very funny :) [04:21] debCarlos, where do you live that you have a 4gb b/w cap? [04:22] maybe he's using mobile internet? [04:22] yes [04:22] oh thats it? [04:23] it's a wireless modem (or whatever it's called) [04:23] axesstel [04:23] ahhh, no net service in your area? [04:23] no [04:23] :( [04:23] sad sad [04:23] where are you at? [04:23] Nueva Esparta / Venezuela [04:23] ^^ awsome [04:23] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:24] why? [04:24] hrm? [04:25] RaNdY (n=randy@unaffiliated/randy) left ##slackware. [04:25] good mirning all [04:25] Nick change: Karlitoo-aw -> Karlitoo [04:25] ? [04:25] good morning ^' [04:25] well its morning [04:25] A-life (n=alife@75-167-214-203.cdrr.qwest.net) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [04:25] :P [04:25] It's almost morning here, 5:00 am [04:26] lol [04:26] 10 am here [04:26] damn stupid customers.. "we can't see the reports for week 1 of 2009 in the system!" [04:26] rofl [04:26] well duh.. of course we can't report on what happens in THE FUTURE [04:26] lol [04:26] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [04:26] A-life (n=alife@75-167-214-203.cdrr.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] and then they're all like "yeah but neither does week 54 of 2008 work" [04:27] i wish, that virtualbox didnt kill my xsession. [04:27] wtf there's no week 54?! are the years longer in spain or something? :D [04:27] hey man don't be like that the customer is always right, if they say they can't see it you should belive them [04:27] lol [04:27] Karlitoo: "customer is always right" pfft.. that's a piss policy [04:27] our policy is "shut up and let us do our job" [04:27] :D [04:27] tell me about it XD [04:28] nice policy [04:28] Karu (n=alch@78-28-91-137.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:29] I need to get some demotivator posters for our office I think [04:29] Action: tewmten heads on over to despair.com [04:31] http://despair.com/lithographs.html [04:32] let's see.. which one would fit the Operations team.. [04:32] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:34] damn that noobfarm.org site is funny [04:34] I never get tired of reading that stuff [04:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@24-136-0-177.hwd-bsr1.chi-hwd.il.cable.rcn.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:35] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [04:36] god damn resonant harmony in one of my pcs [04:36] rattling like a bitch [04:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:37] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-114-204.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [04:37] Anyone know the name of that online comic, where the main character is a kernel hacker of some sort [04:37] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [04:37] And one of his coworkers is a former VB coder [04:37] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:37] User Friendly? [04:38] Hackles? [04:38] abby: you talking bout the BOFH ? [04:38] ctrl+alt+del [04:38] is good [04:38] :) [04:38] BOFH is not a comic [04:38] bash.org is nice [04:38] lol [04:38] its serious bizness! [04:38] Action: tewmten orderes some BOFH gear as well [04:39] YEAH! User Friendly! [04:39] Wait.... [04:39] No that's not it lol [04:39] duh [04:39] :P [04:39] close though [04:39] The one I'm talking about was in color [04:40] And the characters look different [04:40] hackles ?? [04:40] someone still reads it ? [04:41] Gah, I wish I had bookmarked the site [04:42] it's my favorite one, i always wanted to know what happened to hackles after he finished the code :'( [04:42] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [04:42] you guys think that slack is coming to a halt slowly? [04:42] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.30.80) joined ##slackware. [04:43] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [04:43] hola, wanna get some more fonts (Bitstreamt, etc.) for my system, any direction? [04:44] fucking hell [04:44] found a bug in our software.. again [04:44] Imma' go poop on the R&D director's macbook [04:45] tewmten, squish it [04:45] will do sir! [04:45] :D [04:46] blop00 (n=not@mia.com.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [04:48] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [04:49] so there I was [04:50] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [04:50] With two thousand pounds of lard and only twenty minutes to go [04:50] Was doomed from the start [04:51] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:52] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [04:52] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:53] http://site.despair.com/despairwear/wickedosity/ [04:53] I need that [04:54] and this, http://site.despair.com/despairwear/ididntdoit/?sort=collection [04:54] :D [04:55] hello [04:57] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [04:57] infidel (n=loadie@p57B12774.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. 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[05:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [05:23] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:26] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] izap (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:28] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Nick collision from services. [05:28] Nick change: izap -> lw0x15 [05:28] while i was loading slack [05:29] it said Filesystem NOT clear [05:29] should i be suspicious about things like that ? while slack is booting [05:30] not clean? [05:30] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [05:30] or not clean cant remember now [05:30] damnit.. [05:30] on what filesystem? [05:30] bug in our software [05:30] reiserfs [05:30] again [05:30] I hate my job today [05:31] tewmten: lol [05:31] lw0x15: i mean is it your / filesystem [05:31] spook: i dont know :| it just said Filesystem is NOT clean/clearn [05:31] clear* [05:31] nothing else [05:31] read logs [05:31] k [05:31] computer shut down properly? [05:32] nop, electricity went down for a few mins [05:32] thats why [05:32] unclean unmount so it does a fsck [05:34] oh [05:34] alrite [05:34] thnx [05:34] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-231-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [05:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [05:34] yeah your filesystem is fsck'ing around [05:34] it's dirty [05:34] ;) [05:35] :( [05:35] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [05:35] atleast my software doesnt have bugs :P [05:35] my life has bugs [05:35] abby: :( [05:35] So I'm setting up a bugzilla for my life [05:35] tewmten: well maybe its maker has turned to drugs, therefore his fs is now unclean ? :P [05:37] BUG: Abby gets drunk and stumbles home every weekend [05:37] hehe [05:37] RESOLVED - WON'T FIX [05:37] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [05:37] abby: is abby hot? [05:37] Yeah, I think I'm hot [05:37] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [05:37] hot like a 3rd degree burn victim! [05:37] Hotter than hot [05:38] please provide additional information for this issue; pics [05:38] tewmten knows how very hot I am [05:38] abby spent 400 euros fucking whores in amsterdam [05:38] that's how hot he is [05:38] :D [05:38] LOL [05:38] so um, trying to find guide for setting up tun/tap networking with kvm [05:38] haha dude [05:38] abby: I was at this strip club here in amsterdam the other week [05:38] not having much success [05:39] abby: the stripped messed something up and gave me 50 euro back on a 10 euro note.. [05:39] abby: so all in all, I got a free lapdance and 40 euros from a stripper [05:39] oh damn, that's some good service [05:39] indeed [05:39] shelden, whats the other secret? "I'm batman!" [05:39] I never went in to a stripbar and walked out with more money on me than when I went in! [05:40] spook: not a plane? [05:40] I thought it would supposed to be the other way around :P [05:40] mina86: big bang theory, tv show [05:40] frotz47 (n=matthew@cpe-24-25-190-10.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:41] big bong theory [05:42] tewmten, werd [05:42] spook: your comment just remindend me of my favourite quote: "I'm not a crazy man, I'm a plane!" :] [05:42] oh [05:42] argh firefox crashed ;-/ [05:43] and i cant kill it [05:43] kill -s SIGKILL pid [05:43] lw0x15: kill -9 ? [05:43] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:43] no pid of firefox :| [05:43] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [05:43] pidof firefox [05:44] lw0x15: ps ax | grep -i '[f]irefox' [05:44] doesnt say anything [05:44] lw0x15: /sbin/reboot ;) [05:44] lw0x15: so define "I cant kill it" [05:44] i dont want to reboot cause of firefox :( [05:44] mina86: your one doesnt get anything either [05:44] goarilla (n=goarilla@48.136-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [05:45] I mean, how do you know it's running all the time? [05:45] i can see it and if i try to launch it again it says the proccess is in use [05:45] process [05:45] * [05:45] uh.. well, I dunno. How about restarting X session at least? [05:45] tried [05:46] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "bye" [05:46] ok, define "i can see it" ;) [05:46] in the taskbar [05:46] ah [05:47] second time it happens ;-/ [05:47] let me guess some gtk or kde app has gone berserk [05:47] I'd recommend going throught ps aux output -- maybe there is some kind of firefox process [05:47] with a kde app it's usually dcopserver foos [05:47] named differently [05:47] i use fluxbox [05:47] antoni (n=antoni@17.pool85-53-15.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [05:47] with a gtk app [05:47] no kde apps that i know off [05:47] it's usually stale threads that don't get killed [05:48] goarilla: we all love GTK don't we? [05:48] use ps fax [05:48] then you'll get a tree and can kill the Parent process of the dead threads [05:48] no [05:48] we don't [05:48] evo_ (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [05:48] but we don't like kde apps either [05:48] ;) [05:48] well, I prefer QT to GTK [05:48] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [05:48] i'm pragmatic [05:49] Giorno e Buone Feste a Tutti [05:49] how nice of you sadly i'm sick [05:50] and i have been since i got holidays off [05:50] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:50] schenkel (n=schenkel@201-66-201-63.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:51] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [05:51] the EoHS - end of holidays syndrome [05:52] hhehehe [05:52] Bonix-BR (n=Bonix-BR@cisco-rt6.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:53] LuisHenrique (n=LuisHenr@cisco-rt6.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [05:53] Strykar (i=vector@gateway/tor/x-0a59fe979cf05b69) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:54] Bonix-BR (n=Bonix-BR@cisco-rt6.isimples.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [05:55] infidel (n=loadie@p57B12774.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:55] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-0358ff7278c326e3) joined ##slackware. [05:55] i was using xchat yesterday [05:55] and oh god it's annoying [05:55] the file transfer window is always on top of the main window [05:55] and you can't change that with closing the transfer window [05:56] without* [05:56] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [05:56] goarilla, bug report? [05:56] goarilla, patch? [05:56] :) [05:56] why ? [05:56] I hate this old version of our software.. its so stupid [05:56] bug report ? i don't know how [05:56] jk, I know those GTK coders are horrible at interface design [05:56] there is tons of fucked up functions used to calculate time and periods etc [05:57] when there already is built-in functions for this in php [05:57] patch ... ? outside of commenting out code, including header files or writing simple prototypes i haven't really done anything [05:57] of course the code is like 3 years old.. [05:57] which only makes it worse :( [05:57] tewmten, need some help there buddy [05:58] sure would be nice [05:58] why is it that linux web browsers use too much cpu time than windows? [05:58] but I cant let you in to our systems [05:58] and i bet you abby if i say xchat acts up in fluxbox [05:58] they'll tell me to use gnome since it's designed for that [05:59] tewmten, ah well. I offered :) [05:59] goarilla, yeah well [05:59] abby: its well appreciated :D [06:00] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:00] but it's like 40 000 lines of old, php4, spaghetti-code [06:00] undocumented of course [06:00] is there a real debugger for php ? [06:00] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:00] no freaking idea [06:01] because it needs one [06:01] yup [06:01] and its this stupid bug that's been occuring the last week of the year for like two years already [06:01] and they want me to fix it.. in one afternoon [06:02] that's just evil [06:02] yeah well, they get what they're paying for [06:03] and by that, I'm going for lunch [06:03] laters [06:03] laters [06:03] goarilla (n=goarilla@48.136-136-217.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: "leaving" [06:03] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [06:04] frotz47 (n=matthew@cpe-24-25-190-10.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [06:05] evo- (n=evo@91-66-220-231-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:07] antoni (n=antoni@17.pool85-53-15.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [06:09] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:10] Chicago police have arrested a man who allegedly robbed a bank using a threatening note written on the back of his own pay cheque. 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[07:51] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [07:51] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:53] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [07:53] BenChildren (n=chatzill@121.33.207.79) joined ##slackware. [07:54] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.15.72) joined ##slackware. [07:55] just installed KDE4, it said: kdeinit4 could not run: libstreamanalyser.so etc.... could not be loaded? [07:57] ok..read the error message [07:58] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009104019.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:58] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:58] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:58] BenChildren (n=chatzill@121.33.207.79) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [07:58] what's the libstreamanalyzer? [07:59] i installed all the important kde4 packages [07:59] what are the first three letters? [08:00] cant remember [08:00] :( [08:00] but it seems kde4 cannot start because of lack of libstreamanalyzer.so [08:00] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [08:00] do you need me to emulate the error again? [08:00] i'll note it down [08:00] ... [08:01] i have a bettter idea [08:01] hang on [08:02] k, libstreamanalyser is part of strigi [08:02] is it an official package? [08:02] dive: Hello :). Good $time. [08:02] hi [08:02] IntangibleLiquid: i don't know that yet, i'm working on it [08:03] IntangibleLiquid: what platform/version ? [08:03] 12.0 on i486 for instance ? [08:04] or amd64 ? or what? [08:04] 12.2 on i486 [08:04] k [08:04] strigi is the search tool for kde4 [08:05] can't believe such a small lib can hinder the whole desktop [08:05] http://slackware.linux.or.id/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/testing/packages/kde4/deps/strigi-0.5.11-i486-1.tgz [08:05] and such a small lib should NOT hinder the whole desktop, blame the people who packaged the KDE for not disabling it or segregating it somehow [08:06] PeanutHorst, 404 erorr [08:07] PeanutHorst, found it on my mirror :) [08:07] ah ok :) [08:07] should work now [08:08] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-114-204.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [08:08] PeanutHorst, brb [08:08] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.15.72) left irc: "Leaving" [08:10] joannis (n=chatzill@net-80-253-189-213.beltav.hu) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122614]" [08:10] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.15.72) joined ##slackware. [08:10] crashed miserably [08:10] ? [08:10] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [08:10] it was able to load the spash screen for 5 seconds [08:10] then crashed [08:11] lots of error messages [08:11] k, what was the first error message in the row? [08:11] could barely read [08:11] redirect the stdout to a file when you run the startkde script [08:12] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-130-51.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:12] should it be somethng like startkde > 1.txt ? [08:12] .... [08:12] sorry, was just back to command line for a few days [08:13] startkde 2>&1 | tee ,,kde.log [08:13] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [08:14] k [08:14] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.15.72) left irc: Client Quit [08:17] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:17] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.15.72) joined ##slackware. [08:17] k [08:17] did that [08:17] wonder where the log file is stored [08:17] evo_ (n=evo@91-66-220-113-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [08:18] PeanutHorst, you around? [08:21] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [08:22] slidercrank (n=tehnik@91.192.114.175) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] Am I understanding this right? lsmod shows "nf_conntrack_ipv4", so then the kernel (as of now at least) is addressing the warning on 2.6.27 kernels and up message of "CONFIG_NF_CT_ACCT is deprecated and will be removed soon" appropriately? [08:23] wondering if installpkg * was a good move, or I should have installed one by one kde4 package [08:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.51) joined ##slackware. [08:24] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-49-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [08:28] *nod* [08:28] kama (n=kama@host106-118-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:28] IntangibleLiquid: it doesn't matter [08:28] slackpacks suck at dependency tracking [08:29] i've come up with a way to fix that myself but haven't implemented yet [08:29] they dont suck, they dont do it. two different things :) [08:29] Old_Fogie: touché [08:29] but i think the lack of dependency tracking is confusing for a user a lot of the time, it leads to forgotten deps and the resulting dep hell [08:30] IntangibleLiquid: as said it doesn't matter how you did it [08:30] yeb [08:30] so what should i do now [08:30] the log file will be stored in the directory you were in when you ran startkde [08:30] i didn't run startkde [08:30] i run startx [08:30] the log file will be stored in the directory you were in when you ran startx [08:30] but i think the stout is the same [08:31] kama (n=kama@host106-118-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:31] PeanutHorst, got it, now should i paste it somewhere? [08:33] um [08:33] ls -l is [08:33] if it's more than like 5k you might want to ompload a gzipped version [08:34] (caveat emptor: i haven't used slackware for a little while so my credibility regarding The Slackware Way of doing things is 0 - but i'll gladly help anyway) [08:34] antoni (n=antoni@3.pool85-53-22.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:35] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [08:35] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:36] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFC7BC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:40] ok [08:40] i think i'll remove it for now [08:40] lol [08:40] just one last question [08:40] do i even need the sdk package? [08:41] which sdk? [08:41] IntangibleLiquid, ? [08:42] kde4-sdk [08:42] IDK for kde4 havent built it yet, but on kde 3 you didn't. barebones install on kde3 is kdelibs, kdebase (with a high recommends for arts) [08:43] sidux (n=sidux@trufflesdad.plus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:43] netfilter.org needs some updated docs, yuk [08:45] IntangibleLiquid, your having what problems starting kde4? are you at the very least able to get into a different window manager/DE [08:46] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [08:46] Old_Fogie, i can conveniently switch to others, i just cannot login to kde [08:46] 4 [08:46] IntangibleLiquid, iirc you have to change your ~/.kde or something like that did you do that? [08:47] Old_Fogie, i haven't done anything, why is that? [08:49] back up your old ~/.kde, provide kde4 with a fresh start [08:49] let me find what Im talking about [08:49] ktabic, i didn't have kde before [08:49] this is bare install [08:49] i was trying to get kde4 up and running and it didnt ( [08:50] if there's no ~/.kde already, you don't need to worry about it [08:50] IntangibleLiquid, what is stated then in your ~/.xsession-errors file and the /var/log/Xorg.0.log file? anything of interest there? [08:52] (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x26 [08:53] IntangibleLiquid, ok but you can log into XFCE tho right? [08:53] yes, i'm on xfce [08:53] ok so it's not aiglx or compiz holding you out wrt to the way you got your video config'd in xorg [08:53] your trying to start kde by 'startx' right? [08:54] yes [08:54] what does it do? [08:54] because startkde didn't work [08:54] it wont [08:54] it loads the splash [08:54] the harddisk apears [08:54] then it goes blank [08:54] with a bunch of error meesages [08:55] Action: IntangibleLiquid it looks cool even at first few secs [08:58] have you had any window manager running yet? [08:59] IntangibleLiquid, cd /home/IntangibleLiquid , then try 'startx 2>&1 |tee /home/IntangibleLiquid/my-startx-log.log' then read what it says there. [08:59] ok [09:00] that'll log the heck out of what's going on when you startx [09:02] IntangibleLiquid, don't know if you read this or not : http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4/README [09:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [09:03] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Old_Fogie, oh my mirror didnt have that [09:04] reading [09:04] Yeah I had to hunt for it, it appears some of the mirrors aren't sync'ing up the /testing directory [09:06] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008247080.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:06] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [09:09] Phil-san (n=philipp@p54BFC7BC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "leaving" [09:10] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009104019.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:10] so i have to remove qt first? [09:11] still recovering from Dengue so I'm processin quite slowly [09:13] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) joined ##slackware. [09:15] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.73.183) joined ##slackware. [09:16] Old_Fogie, is it possible to install the packages directly from the mirror without downloading them? [09:16] i downloaded the kde packages [09:16] eh. no you have to download packages to install them [09:16] but the extragears and otherthing [09:17] ok [09:18] IntangibleLiquid, there's scripts there to remove kde3 stuff and do a cleanup [09:18] IntangibleLiquid, so then follow the readme as to how to install [09:19] Action: Dominian is actually debating going back to kde3 [09:19] Old_Fogie, From the /testing/packages/kde4/ directory, use this command: [09:19] upgradepkg --install-new deps/*.tgz extragear/*.tgz kde/*.tgz kde3-compat/*.tgz [09:19] i don't have an offline version of that directory [09:19] Action: IntangibleLiquid looks dumb [09:19] use mc to download it I say [09:19] or ncftp or which ever [09:20] i <3 mc [09:22] download the whole directory? [09:22] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:24] yes. [09:26] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:26] PeanutHorst, that sounds pretty cool [09:26] gotta figure out [09:26] use midnight commander [09:27] ftp one side [09:27] i'm in mc [09:27] your homedir on the other [09:27] and copy [09:27] actually I can't find *one* mirror that has kde4 in the 12.2 /testing directory [09:27] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:27] how to change password in freenode? [09:27] mirror's seem to have /testing in --current tho [09:28] Old_Fogie, all of them are in current [09:28] yea, that's odd [09:29] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] i'm wondering if MC is still working, it just stood there [09:29] durge (n=admin@87.121.96.142) joined ##slackware. [09:29] well you'll see a copy dialog box [09:29] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [09:29] nah, it's workgin [09:29] how big is the /testing/kd4 stuff? maybe it was deemed too large to bother including? [09:30] PeanutHorst, it's a http mirror, so does ftp link work? [09:30] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: [09:30] nope [09:30] well, then? [09:31] then use an ftp mirror [09:31] lol [09:31] this is a local mirror [09:31] Action: IntangibleLiquid cries [09:32] durge (n=admin@87.121.96.142) left irc: Client Quit [09:35] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.200) joined ##slackware. [09:35] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-024-031-104-201.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:37] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:38] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:39] Action: PeanutHorst beats IntangibleLiquid [09:39] stop crying, woman [09:39] this ... is ... SLACKWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE [09:39] :p [09:41] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejf26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:42] Action: k_wolf_ smiles when mame works [09:44] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejb106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:44] haha [09:44] ok [09:44] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [09:45] timed out [09:45] perhaps i'll do it early morning [09:45] better luck [09:45] good article on md5 collisions http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10129693-83.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20 [09:46] so say [09:46] i downloaded all the packages in kde4 [09:46] now i don't want to redownload them [09:46] what's the best solution? [09:47] Is possible to install a packages and others folders? [09:47] eg: /home/packages [09:47] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:47] wait for all the subdirectories to be created, throw them in so they are recognized as "downloaded"? [09:48] IntangibleLiquid, forgive me for saying so, but you're really over complicating this (and I'm not trying to be mean). Aren't you able to get mc to download them, or a web browser, even if you had to make the directories it's not that much ya know [09:49] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-218-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:49] Old_Fogie, sorry :D [09:49] IntangibleLiquid, even 'gftp' is installed with slackware from the XAP directory, it's only one package [09:49] IntangibleLiquid, you could try that if mc isnt working for you [09:49] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [09:50] gotta love google, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/30/madrid_street_view/ [09:52] what is it? [09:52] tewmten, hahahah, I also like the lego ad next to it too [09:53] PeanutHorst, nsfw tho [09:54] Old_Fogie: can has direct link to image? [09:54] i'm shaped so it's a PITA to do this [09:55] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-49-70.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:56] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008247080.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:56] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89-180-145-102.net.novis.pt) joined ##slackware. [09:56] what's NSFW? [09:57] not safe for work [09:57] I know, but what is not safe for work? theregister.co.uk? :P [09:57] it's just a pic of some spanish guy/girl squatting behind a car taking a shit [09:57] pretty blurry really [09:58] that description is also NSFW [09:58] you guys must be working at some pretty up-tight boring places! :P [09:58] tewmten : don't be an idiot [09:58] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-217-110.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:58] called the RW [09:59] wtf? [10:00] thats also considered NSFW ;) [10:00] what is? [10:00] saying 'wtf?' at IRC? [10:01] some people, many in fact IRC from work [10:01] I do, at this very moment [10:01] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-218-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [10:01] fortunately, you aren't monitored very closely, or they have no policy [10:01] NSFW is not safe for work [10:01] irc is the best thing ever.. 15 years ago when I had an amiga 500 I dreamed of something like irc.. back then there was no internet yet [10:01] lol [10:01] bbs [10:01] lol [10:02] bbs were the biz [10:02] :) [10:02] dTd: ehe.. I am the sysadmin here, I make the rules ;) [10:02] lol [10:02] tiagopasq (n=tiago@201-27-218-57.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:02] tewmten: not everyone is so fortunate :) [10:02] sysadmins don't make the rules [10:02] man I'm the net admin so I don't need rules [10:02] sysadmins may enforce the rules, but they certainly don't make them. upper management does [10:02] lol [10:03] I work from home, but that doesn't mean my kids won't see this either [10:03] reaver__ (n=reaver@212.88.102.158) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:03] ananke: yes well that might be true for well managed companies [10:03] hehehehehe [10:03] lol [10:03] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-217-110.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] tewmten : which is most places. either way, have some respect for others, and prepend any NSFW material with NSFW note [10:04] it's called common courtesy [10:04] yeah I know [10:04] but it wasnt NSFW [10:04] dangit, thunderbird keeps hanging on exit [10:04] it's not like i was posting porn or 4chan links or some shit like that [10:04] 4chan? [10:05] tewmten : consider criteria for NSFW to be the same as you would around your grandparents [10:06] and using the 'but it wasn't a tubgirl' argument is just silly [10:06] jeebus [10:07] I didnt know people where _that_ strict with links around here [10:08] tewmten : the reverse can be said about you: i didn't know you would be that naive [10:08] it's not just the people here, it's their coworkers, or whoever happens to stop by and see their monitors [10:08] point taken, i understand what you mean [10:09] I still disagree but let's stop this argument now because we are getting nowhere [10:09] :) [10:09] simple 'possibly NFSW' goes a long way [10:09] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.43.17) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:09] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [10:09] Action: tewmten wanders off playing with some ruby scripts [10:10] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.73.183) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [10:11] ah darn it, my mirror-current doesnt fit cd1 ...hrmm [10:11] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] flip the cd around? [10:11] :D [10:13] yeah, hmm, this is alienBOB's too, I may have an older version too, oh well another coaster, heh [10:14] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] esom (n=enigma@222.172.221.99) left irc: "leaving" [10:26] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFC7BC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:31] My name gets highlighted? [10:32] oh sorry alienBOB :( [10:32] Old_Fogie: "mirror-slackware-current.sh" -c -n will show if there is a newer version of the script available [10:33] Old_Fogie: "mirror-slackware-current.sh" -c -n" [10:33] ok will do [10:33] Shite... again wrong "" [10:35] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.15.72) left irc: "Leaving" [10:37] yup mine was 1.66 and latest is 1.67 , hey I thought a "point release" isn't suppose to break ABI :) [10:37] What app? [10:37] neon intentionally does that to force apps to use new ABI [10:38] straterra, the "infamouse mirror-slackware-current.sh" script [10:38] Ah [10:38] yeah I made a cd-coaster [10:38] well my fault for not checking first,heh [10:39] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [10:39] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:40] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [10:40] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Client Quit [10:42] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [10:43] mohaa (n=moha@ANantes-157-1-56-167.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [10:48] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [10:50] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. 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[11:07] no appreciable difference between the drivers in sound _quality_, just programming availability for extra functions as far as I know [11:07] ok [11:08] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:09] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:09] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [11:09] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:09] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:09] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:11] Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [11:11] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:12] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] is the virtualbox kernel package needed to run virtualbox ? [11:12] evo_ (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [11:12] LnxSlck, yes [11:13] so i need the virtualbox-ose and the virtualbox-kernel? [11:13] yes [11:13] ok [11:13] imo, dont use pulse it's junk [11:14] Old_Fogie, what about the addons packages, are they recommended too? [11:14] LnxSlck, only if you need them, i use the vm at run level 3 so I dont, but you might if you want graphical [11:15] helps for the mouse , screen resolutions, etc [11:15] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Old_Fogie, ok thanks [11:15] yw [11:16] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:17] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [11:18] toodiesel (n=toodiese@cpe-071-068-082-019.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:18] schenkel (n=schenkel@201-66-201-63.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [11:18] hey all, can someone help me get flash working in konqueror? [11:19] sure [11:19] it's pretty easy i think [11:19] ok, i've gotten flash working in firefox [11:20] but konqueror isn't using that mozilla plugin for itself [11:20] toodiesel, just add a directory that contains the flash lib in konqueror plugins [11:20] toodiesel, did you use slackbuilds.org scripts for the flash tgz? [11:20] Zosma (i=jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Old_Fogie: no [11:21] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] how did you install it? [11:21] LnxSlck: crap, i did that and it still isn't working [11:21] toodiesel, does the flash plugin appears as a plugin in konqueror? [11:21] LnxSlck: yes, the flash plugin is listed in the settings tab [11:22] Old_Fogie: i believe I downloaded it from the adobe website [11:22] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [11:22] the normal location is /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/ [11:22] that's where it goes [11:23] i never had problems with flash, but i always used the sbo [11:23] so *all* mozilla, opera and konqueror will see it [11:23] Old_Fogie: yes, that's where it is [11:23] LnxSlck: what is "the sbo" [11:23] slackbuild package [11:23] LnxSlck: ok, I will try that now then [11:24] toodiesel, have java installed? is konquerror blocking java or scripts. check that too [11:25] Old_Fogie: i have java working in firefox, lemme check konqueror [11:25] Old_Fogie: java is not working in konqueror [11:26] is there a way to make sure konqueror is set to load plugins? [11:26] besides "Enable plugins globally" [11:26] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:27] are you enabling javascript too? it's the next tab to the right. also is /usr/lib/java/bin/java shown? [11:28] Old_Fogie: yes, java and javascript are enabled, yes /usr/lib/java/bin/java is shown [11:28] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) joined ##slackware. [11:28] on plugins on left...the the plugins tab to the right (yuk kde) is it showing in list of plugins the /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins/libflashplayer.so ? [11:29] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:30] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [11:30] greetings [11:30] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) left irc: Client Quit [11:30] Old_Fogie: yes, i think I will try using the slackbuild for flash and see what the result is [11:31] Old_Fogie & LnxSlck: thanks for your time, I will let you know the result if i've fixed it [11:31] ok [11:33] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.143.51) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:33] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) joined ##slackware. [11:35] Hi I'm trying to set up my printer - HP Deskjet 845c on Slackware 12.2 using cups and hplip, but when I try to run hp-setup I get an error message - error: HPMUDEXT could not be loaded. Please check HPLIP installation. [11:36] nvision (n=hub@p4FC027D7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:36] the hpstuff is pretty much crap [11:37] In what way ? [11:37] in a crappy way [11:38] eh [11:38] Oh, that explains everything [11:38] I didn't had any problems with hplip on ArchLinux [11:39] Yeah, I just use cups and the gutenprint package for my HP P2015 laserjet on slack 12.2 [11:39] PanzerMKZ (n=Panzer@h179.71.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:40] esters, you dont have a full install [11:40] it works on slack too not just arch :) [11:40] Great [11:40] I would like to know how :> [11:40] when you install, choose full [11:41] I run a full install of 12.2, no issues with printing [11:41] I run a minimal install of slack [11:41] Packages from expert menu [11:41] I have almost the same printer as him so I know it'll work [11:42] VUGO (n=VUGO@c-98-204-160-100.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] esters, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=hplip&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all that'll give you an idea what the depends are [11:43] you probably dont have python or dbus in [11:43] Dominus (n=SuN@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [11:43] VUGO (n=VUGO@c-98-204-160-100.hsd1.md.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [11:43] or operable [11:44] panda (n=gabriele@83.139.194.36) left irc: "Leaving" [11:45] The package hplip contains hpmudext [11:45] http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=12.2&t=2&q=HPMUDEXT [11:46] HPMUDEXT could not be loaded <--- doesn't say "couldn't be found" [11:46] Yes [11:46] cant be loaded, as your missing something that it needs so that it can be loaded [11:47] esters, like I said your proabably missing some python or dbus stuff (as the debian pages show) ; look in sectin "l" of the install media, you'll find the libs in there [11:48] Ah [11:48] Thanks Old_Fogie :) [11:48] you need qt [11:48] For GUI - yes [11:48] yup [11:49] esters, you allso need snmp libraries [11:50] net-snmp ? [11:50] yup [11:50] it reports it from ldd [11:51] hp officejets can use snmp for network printing with the hp-jet-direct-print-servers [11:52] you don't need to run net-snmp tho to use that feature (the daemon in /etc/rc.d I mean) [11:52] schenkel (n=schenkel@201-66-201-63.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:52] Hmm, speaking about ldd [11:53] Since hp-* are basiacly python scripts [11:53] It isn't possible to trace the dependencies [11:53] right, but as you showed the link from slacky, you had /usr/lib/.... those can be to at least get a baseline [11:54] Yes [11:54] Thanks again :) [11:54] libnetsnmp.so.15 => not found [11:56] \o/ [11:56] works? [11:56] Yes [11:56] :D [11:56] net-snmp and dbus-python were missing [11:57] yeah that's a bug, we'll have to add a note in the "expert" install section of the install media :) [11:57] Hh [11:57] esters, that printer works fine with cups [11:58] I know [11:58] yeah but you dont get ink levels :( [11:58] and stuff like that, fax etc [11:58] I get [11:58] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:58] I just need to install pyqt4 [11:58] should be in sbo [11:58] but that will take a while [11:58] Mhm [11:58] 2 hours or so [11:59] That depends [11:59] qt4 on this box compiles in 1h [11:59] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) joined ##slackware. [11:59] pyqt4 != qt4 [11:59] you need qt4 for pyqt [11:59] what slack are you on? [11:59] the latter is just a binding for the former [12:00] Mhm [12:00] 2 hours to build...hmm, just load 12.2 in 20 minutes ;) [12:00] Anyway I can do basic configuration through CUPS web UI [12:00] Old_Fogie, QT4 AINT IN 12.2 [12:01] damn caps, sorry [12:01] I will be when KDE 4 comes into kde/ [12:01] Works \o/ [12:01] alisonken1lap (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Now for the fun part [12:01] Sharing it through samba to Vista :) [12:02] iw would be nice to have something like: sh qt4.sh -j 2 [12:02] LnxSlck: Have you tried sbopkg ? [12:02] sure [12:02] everyday [12:02] I only found it few days ago :< [12:03] export MAKEFLAGS="-j2";sbopkg -i "qt4" [12:03] esters, try also sbopkg [12:03] U mean slackpkg ? [12:03] no [12:03] I use both slackpkg and sbopkg [12:03] sbopkg [12:03] aoliveir1 (n=root@20151049085.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:04] how can i change the hostname of my slackware? [12:04] vi /ETC/hostaname [12:04] hostname [12:04] there isnt it [12:04] edit /etc/hosts [12:04] vi /etc/HOSTANME [12:05] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:05] call hostname as root or rerun netconfig [12:05] Actually edit /etc/hosts :P [12:05] /etc/hostname doesnt exist [12:05] aoliveir1: edit the /etc/hosts file [12:05] /etc/hosts already edited [12:05] bg 1 [12:05] ops [12:06] aoliveir1, is HOSTNAME [12:06] 127.0.0.1 slackware.example.local slackware [12:06] /etc/hostname doesnt exist in my /etc [12:06] just run 'netconfig' [12:06] aoliveir1, big caps [12:06] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [12:07] why would you have /etc/hostname ? [12:07] so the people without capslock can change theirs too [12:08] clyphox (n=clyphox@anyanti.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:08] toodiesel (n=toodiese@cpe-071-068-082-019.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:09] first of all [12:09] why HOSTNAME [12:09] instead hostname [12:09] so people like you can find it in /etc [12:10] aoliveir1: see /etc/profile [12:10] *sigh* [12:10] I hate it when that happens [12:10] just spent some hours to write a script that will generate kernel code for a logo out of a PNM file and right when Im done I see there is one include with the kernel [12:11] sorry - /etc/HOSTNAME (all caps) predates Linux - kept for historical reasons (same as /etc/hosts) [12:11] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [12:11] hi i have a bunch of .ace files [12:11] how can i open it? [12:12] you say [12:12] PRE-HISTORICAL reasons [12:12] when you run "file .ace, what does it state the file is? [12:12] it's like FTP [12:12] aoliveir1: PRE-HISTORICAL would predate computers :) [12:13] has anyone seen about FTP must die [12:13] http://www.winace.com/files/linunace25.tgz [12:13] it says archive data [12:14] aoliveir1: why is that? there are still systems running that were installed ages ago that have only been security updated and still use ftp [12:14] missyjane: what was used to create the archive file, then? [12:14] alisonken1home, dunno, i downloaded it o.o [12:14] tom! [12:15] ACE archive data version 20, from Win/32, version 20 to extract, contains AV-String, with recovery record, locked, solid [12:15] missyjane: see slackytude's link [12:15] straterra: dick! [12:15] i aint saying that i just read the article [12:16] but i think abit the same [12:16] link for the article? [12:16] idk remeber [12:16] google it [12:16] FTP MUST DIE [12:17] the only reason I can think of that someone want's ftp to die would be because they're in an MS environment and don't realize the significance of that [12:17] so uh [12:17] does anyone play wow here? [12:17] No [12:17] i dont play word of warcraft [12:17] only hello kitty adventure [12:17] lol im only asking cause i wanna know if lich king is worth getting [12:18] It isn't :> [12:18] my old roommate likes it [12:18] neither play wow [12:18] but then again [12:18] he's an asshole doucheht [12:18] hat* [12:19] hm there is no readme for linunace [12:19] "unace" doesnt work either [12:20] aoliveir1: ok - another rant without a solution or even recommended options to replace ftp. Interesting. [12:20] alisonken1lap: i would say ftp should be improved it has many overhead, imo download by http is better [12:20] missyjane: is it a binary package file, or a source package? [12:20] :( i think source package [12:21] Phil-san (n=nnscript@p54BFC7BC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: [12:21] when i see something to be downloaded i always choose http instead ftp [12:21] aoliveir1: http has improved, granted, but the author of the rant (GreyCat) doesn't even mention http in his rant [12:21] idk [12:21] whats wrong with ftp? [12:21] Its source file, iirc [12:21] long time no ace o linux [12:21] rant from Greg's Wiki about how ancient the ftp protocol is [12:21] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:21] renew01 (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] url? [12:22] yeah i'm not a huge ftp fan either. i always find it to be slower than http from the same server [12:22] ugh how the hell do i mount ccd? [12:22] or .img? [12:22] pi31415: http://wooledge.org:8000/FtpMustDie [12:22] does anyone here use irssi? [12:22] mount -o loop /path/to/img /oath/to/mntpoint [12:22] sure [12:22] if the .img file is an actual disk image, look to "mount -o loop" command to mount it [12:23] aoliveir1: what's your question ? [12:23] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [12:23] can i open mutiple servers? [12:23] aoliveir1: yes [12:24] some special option in /server command [12:24] use /connect [12:24] aoliveir1: don't use /server - instead, the /connect command doesn't auto-disconnect [12:25] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) left irc: "Saliendo" [12:25] /connect irc.blabla.com ? [12:25] yes [12:25] mount -o loop "stuff.img" dir [12:25] no such file or directory [12:25] pwd then it shows the files in there [12:25] >:( [12:25] are you root? [12:25] yes [12:25] i can't think of a good argument for keeping ftp [12:25] bash-3.1# whoami root [12:25] no such file? [12:26] then try "file stuff.img" and see what it thinks the file is [12:26] the file is right in front of my eyes [12:26] and dir? [12:26] aoliveir1: then, in whatever window you prefer, the command "/window servername" will switch you to the the server channel for that server in that window [12:26] i did mkdir dir [12:26] pi31415: I like to use ftp to transfer files between my computers at home [12:26] aoliveir1: sorry, that should be "/window server " [12:26] missyjane: run "file" on the file and see what it thinks it is - also, you may have to include a path, even if it's "./stuff.file" [12:27] i like irssi [12:27] waitasec [12:27] now it works [12:27] it seems easy to use [12:27] aoliveir1: me too :) [12:27] I typically use sftp in konqueror on local networks :) [12:27] raela: i meant keeping ftp on the intarweb [12:27] it just gives me ">" thats it [12:27] irssi <3 U ! [12:27] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] aoliveir1: haha - that is, I'm not easy to use - I like irssi too :) [12:27] god damnit [12:28] missyjane: that's a bashism indicating it's waiting for more input from the command line - like a closing quote or something [12:28] alt+n to moving on windows [12:28] alisonken1home, oh :( what can i do? [12:28] now here's some anti-ubuntu ranting: there is no BitchX package in ubuntu.. I ask why it's not in apt, they tell me to use irssi [12:28] it's the most important command [12:28] missyjane: what was the exact command you used? [12:28] :S [12:28] mount -o loop "file.img" dir [12:28] *done* [12:28] file.img is the file, dir is the directory [12:28] crazybyte (n=crzp@unaffiliated/crazypenguin/x-000001) joined ##slackware. [12:29] forget the quotes - it's just "mount -o loop ./stuff.img " without the quotes [12:29] why didnt it work before? [12:29] dunno but i demand my porn! [12:29] hi all! could somebody tell me if the kernel that runs the install dvd (hugesmp.s) is 2.6.24? [12:29] thank you! [12:29] ?? [12:29] crazybyte: boot it and type "uname -a" [12:29] porn? [12:29] now i cannot [12:29] aoliveir1: why didn't what work before ? [12:29] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [12:30] that is why i'm asking [12:30] otherwise, it's the default kernel for that release [12:30] for this favour [12:30] i see [12:30] that mount -o" [12:30] ugh now it says no such file or directory [12:30] thank you [12:30] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] alisonken1lap, is the changelog and what patches are applied to the vanilla kernel included on the dvd (i used slackware a long time ago and i don't remember)? thank you! [12:31] fddfoo (n=root@unaffiliated/fdd) joined ##slackware. [12:32] crazybyte: the changelog should be on the dvd, otherwise it's at http://www.slackware.com/changelog/current.php?cpu=i386 for current [12:32] crazybyte, slackware doesn't patch kernels unless it's a must, and as far as I can recall that was only on slack 12.1 for a sec fix [12:32] thank you again alisonken1lap [12:32] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [12:32] file 1.img 1.img: data [12:32] hm.. [12:33] Old_Fogie, i'm asking because i have a very ugly bug on a different distro that blocks the core duo processor and the same processor works fine with slackware and i want to see what is the difference [12:33] what Old_FOgie said applies to all packages in the distro as well - the only patches to the original source are security patches that didn't make it in the d/l source orignin [12:33] Old_Fogie, thank you for the info [12:33] crazybyte, yea there's no kernel patches for slack 12.2 [12:33] just un-adulterated kernel :) [12:34] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:34] Old_Fogie, ok thanks [12:34] anyone have any idea? :( [12:34] im starting to think its not possible to mount img files [12:34] if it's an actual file image, it's mountable - I do it all the time with some stuff I build [12:34] sure you can, I do it for qemu [12:35] file.img [12:35] the dir exist? [12:35] i mean that kind of file extension [12:35] yes! [12:35] bbl [12:35] are u typing /dir or dir/ [12:35] bye [12:35] neither [12:35] missyjane: extensions are just indicators - and can lie [12:35] just dir [12:35] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [12:35] man, thunar is crashing on my all over the place... [12:35] open a few windows [12:35] I have to do that with some files to upload due to windows issues [12:35] it should work [12:35] but it doesnt :( [12:35] so qemu? [12:35] hiptobecubic, what are you doing when it crashes? [12:36] hm.. [12:36] it works in windows [12:36] i can just mount it and open up the files inside it [12:36] missyjane: where did you get the file from? [12:36] browse to a directory with a large number of files and start using the shortcut buttons to navigate, i.e. back.. up.. etc [12:36] you're getting no such file error? [12:36] alisonken1home, torrent [12:36] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:36] hiptobecubic, is /home or / full? [12:36] heh fail [12:37] also - you may have to give mount the '-t ' option as well - try "-t ext2" or "-t vfat" after the -o option [12:37] bash-3.1# ls 1 1.ccd 1.cue 1.img [12:37] TwinReverb, 4gb free [12:37] in / [12:37] missyjane: what is length? [12:37] which is where home ie [12:37] is [12:37] missyjane, email the person who issued the torrent and ask them what they used [12:37] bash-3.1# mount -o loop 1.img 1/ mount: No such file or directory [12:37] meh T.T [12:37] apparently this person used clonecd [12:38] this file is a binary [12:38] file 1.img ? [12:38] hiptobecubic, are thumbnails enabled? [12:38] i think k3b does clonecd burning no? [12:38] aoliveir1: read up earlier :) [12:38] bash-3.1# file 1.img 1.img: data [12:38] TwinReverb, probably? [12:38] ls -d 1/ [12:39] missyjane: is this supposed to be an image of an ISO9660 data cd? [12:39] bash-3.1# ls -d 1/ 1/ [12:39] eren't looking... [12:40] alisonken1home, looking [12:40] hiptobecubic, dump ~/.thumbnails and then go install thunar-thumbnailers (rworkman's website) if it exists (it's a pack that gives more efficient thumbnailers) [12:40] TRACK 1 MODE1/2352 INDEX 1 00:00:00 [12:40] i dunno if this means anything to you [12:40] try verbose [12:40] missyjane: audio/video CD is what it looks like, ten [12:40] i'll try it [12:40] s/ten/then/ [12:41] i think so too, :x [12:41] supposed to be a bunch of flash images [12:41] FAIL [12:41] CD or DVD? [12:41] try mount -v, verbose [12:41] porn? [12:42] no that's mount -v perverse [12:42] :P [12:42] 17:37 < missyjane> bash-3.1# mount -o loop 1.img 1/ mount: No such file or directory [12:42] cd straterra [12:42] lol :p yep porn [12:42] Action: rob0 suspects a missing mount.$FSTYPE handler [12:42] TwinReverb, yeah there is no thunar-thumbailers there [12:42] wtf [12:43] what? :p [12:43] I suspect PEBKAC [12:43] are u male or female? [12:43] that too [12:43] hiptobecubic, maybe it's now part of Thunar [12:43] Male [12:43] missyjane: you can also try "mount -o loop -t iso9660 ./1.img ./1 [12:43] hiptobecubic, maybe ask in #xfce? [12:43] " [12:43] i'll just turn it off [12:43] if i can find it [12:43] (without the quotes) [12:43] well i've never had Thunar crash so much [12:43] i'm talking to missyjane [12:43] i can make it crash at will [12:43] aoliveir1: I am too [12:43] male [12:43] with mine it was a thumbnail on a large file, but that wasn't a crash, that was the thumbnailer that it launched shredding my memory [12:44] TwinReverb, thunar does that to me on postscript files [12:44] nope wrong fs type [12:44] just tried auto [12:44] then it says no such file or dir [12:44] :'( [12:45] PEBKAC [12:45] lol :( youre mean strat [12:45] And you still didn't try -v ? [12:45] ok - redbook audio/video cd images are hard to loop mount [12:45] Old_Fogie, yeah same here [12:45] I'm not mean [12:45] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: "Saindo" [12:45] I just know what "No such file or directory" means [12:45] It means PEBKAC [12:45] i did mkdir 1 [12:45] straterra, um, well if PEBKAC is true, help them figure out why so that you don't have to keep repeating PEBKAC all the time. it's annoying :D :P [12:45] the directory exist strate [12:45] ubuntu (n=ubuntu@94-193-141-250.zone7.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:46] which fail "fail found at /dev/missyjane" [12:46] Nick change: ubuntu -> theblackbox [12:46] missyjane: try "mount -o loop -v ./1.img ./1" [12:46] Okay, I guess /ignore [12:46] if we want to free people of windows dependency, sometimes we gotta educate 'em. it's not like microsoft educated them :) [12:46] i did the verbose option its simply saying which dev/loop to use and then specifying which filesystem type ot use [12:46] ugh [12:46] TwinReverb, turned off thumbnails and it still does it. It's like it can't keep up with how fast i want to change dirs and just crashes otu [12:46] Action: theblackbox stumbles in reeking of kubuntu [12:46] missyjane, maybe try and give it absolute paths [12:46] hiptobecubic, hmm [12:47] theblackbox, yea it's a mess isn't it? [12:47] nope doesnt work [12:47] Next step, strace mount ... and find out WHAT file is missing. [12:47] I don't care about freeing people from Microsoft..nothing wrong with Microsoft [12:47] got's me a problems I'ms not so's sure I can fix, pardners [12:47] missyjane, mount -o loop /home/missyjane/1.img /home/missyjane/1 [12:47] apparently, she's trying to mount an audio/video cd image [12:47] he [12:47] ohhhhhhhh [12:47] oy [12:47] just installed 12.2 from is (md5 checked out) and my boot fails when trying to init /dev/urandom [12:48] straterra ;) noobfarm [12:48] Video CD has a FS [12:48] What about noobfarm? [12:48] Old_Fogie, t'is indeed ;) [12:48] Audio does not, you can't mount audio CD's. [12:48] you're a towel! [12:48] nothing, just read a lot of what you have said [12:48] Yeah [12:48] s/is/iso [12:48] you are MEAN [12:48] theblackbox, wow [12:48] And I've deleted a bit of quotes from you o.O [12:48] I am not mean. [12:49] lol yes you are [12:49] You've never seen me mean. [12:49] lol [12:49] straterra knows where his towel is [12:49] you are being mean now [12:49] I am not being mean. [12:49] i wonder how many attempts until /dev/urandom boots by chance [12:49] If THIS is being mean..then I must be Stalin [12:49] now children .... [12:50] no, you're a towel [12:50] just one more person to add to ignore [12:50] Ignore me [12:50] Nick change: aoliveir1 -> Toweliee [12:50] missyjane, he was not being mean. maybe he was being a bit coarse in the jokes department, but he wasn't being mean [12:51] TwinReverb, no he is being mean, 1 - he has no reason to call me male, 2 - he claims to have deleted my quotes (whatever that means) 3 - he is saying that stupid acr [12:51] 4 - and he is not being condescending if that is what he is attempting to be, he is just being a stupid idiot [12:52] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [12:52] to do* [12:52] j\mmy (n=1@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [12:52] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [12:52] People Who Annoy You, with 7 letters. N_GGERS [12:52] I am not being mean..I do have reason..I have deleted your quotes from noobfarm because I am a noobfarm admin.. [12:52] more stupid south park/4chan shit [12:53] And the acronym fits [12:53] lol Toweliee... what's the from? [12:53] an audio CD doesn't give no file or directory [12:53] it gives an FS error message [12:53] Which means one of the paths you gave was WRONG [12:53] Which means PEBKAC [12:53] why is it that on newer slackware distributions, console framebuffer seems to not work? [12:54] so anyway now that is out of the way, anyone have any idea? o.O [12:54] depends on the framebuffer driver in the card [12:54] j\mmy, did you tell lilo touse something other than 'vga=normal' [12:54] missyjane: ^^ [12:54] Old_Fogie, yes [12:54] TwinReverb: Tell him what I just said, please? [12:54] missyjane: no more ideas, no porn for today [12:54] vga=760 i think [12:54] what video card? [12:54] Toweliee, lol then no more south park or 4chan meme [12:54] hmm, some on board junk [12:55] i can find out in a bit [12:55] that means nothing [12:55] let me boot up the machine [12:55] This is a really good ideaa by Stevie Towelieee [12:55] im sure the card would be VESA [12:55] the computer was made by at least year 2000 [12:55] Toweliee, dude you're stupid [12:55] that too means nothing [12:55] I told you another idea, and was ignored [12:55] What's a good way to normalize HTML to be processed by the diff command? [12:55] j\mmy, i have an intel and it is crap with new kernels [12:55] rob0, you were talking to me? can you please repeat it one more time? [12:55] Old_Fogie, what are you going by then? [12:55] 17:47 < rob0> Next step, strace mount ... and find out WHAT file is missing. [12:55] oh [12:55] j\mmy, it's not slack per se' it's the kernel [12:56] brb [12:56] If you ask questions here, you should read the whole channel [12:56] some cards needs special settings in initrd or command options [12:56] paste the strace output [12:56] Toweliee: Wanna get high? [12:56] missyjane, please check where your CD-ROM or DVD is actually mounted to, please, because it does not look correct [12:56] rob0, i did but i didnt know it was directed to me [12:56] eh [12:56] um, the context should tell you that :) [12:56] TwinReverb, its hard to believe its not correct, when i do pwd im right below that directory so i should be able to mount it [12:56] No one else had a mount issue.. [12:56] Action: Old_Fogie thinks she should email her friend she got the torrent of them at the wedding from and find out what they used [12:56] Wenca (n=wencaaa@146.scnet.cz) joined ##slackware. [12:56] Action: straterra slamds head in to wall [12:56] Karu (n=alch@78-28-91-137.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:57] he says the iso works on windows [12:57] even doing absolute as someone suggested /home/mj/1.img [12:57] I bet it'd work in mojave :) [12:57] ya i could just use alcohol120 it works [12:57] because "no such file or directory" means that either 1.img doesn't exist (check if you're still in the proper directory by running "pwd") or 1/ does not exist (check if it exists: ls -lhad 1) [12:58] TwinReverb, it could also mean a missing /sbin/mount.$FSTYPE handler. [12:58] the directory 1 and file 1.img exist >< [12:58] TwinReverb: i thought the same but it exist [12:58] what more do you guys want? screenshots? lol [12:58] I could use some alcohol [12:58] missyjane, um, asl? :D :P [12:58] hmm [12:58] so wait, this is mount command, not mplayer command? [12:58] no, with screensot we surely know what you're doing wrong [12:58] TwinReverb: its a highschool student named tom [12:58] missyjane: did you try with ./1.img and ./1 as the mount options (to force current directory entries)? [12:59] yes alisonken1home [12:59] nvision (n=hub@p4FC027D7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:59] whoops sorry alisonken1lap [12:59] TwinReverb: Not kidding. [12:59] missyjane, ok, if the .img is truly a cdrom image (i.e. iso9660) you should be able to do mount -t iso9660 -o ro ~/1.img /mnt/1 or whatever [13:00] How about file /home/mj/1.img ? [13:00] TwinReverb: that was mentioned earlier - but the type may also be -t udf. not sure at this point [13:00] let me screenshot [13:00] NO NEED FOR A SCREENSHOT [13:00] Run the damn com [13:00] mand [13:00] I would simply suggest making a complete pastebin of everything that was tried, with errors, and the strace. Do NOT post a screenshot. [13:00] command^ [13:01] Old_Fogie, do you have a reference chart? [13:01] This stuff is all text, keep it as text. [13:01] so dont tell me the file or dir dont exist >< and i dont know how to use strace [13:01] there used to be a framebuffer.txt in the kernel docs [13:01] it seems like strace is meant for something already mounted [13:01] .... [13:01] Are you kidding me? [13:01] strace (1) - trace system calls and signals [13:01] strace mount [13:01] should work [13:01] heh i shouldve manned that [13:02] missyjane: not quite :) [13:02] rob0: thats being mean [13:02] strace --help [13:02] missyjane is shittiiing us [13:02] ok you actually want me to pastebin the whole output? [13:02] yeah, we want! [13:02] ... [13:02] "strace mount -o loop ./1.img ./1" and pastebin the output would be a good start [13:02] s/-o/-vo/ [13:02] sigh [13:03] ok hold on [13:03] yeah, really good idea [13:03] ok "strace mount -vo loop ./1.img ./1" [13:03] now, i gonna high [13:03] bennymac1 (n=benb@24.75.15.14) joined ##slackware. [13:03] imho try mounting without -t ? [13:03] j\mmy, use /usr/src/linux-2.6.27.10/Documentation/fb corresponding to your output in "lspci -vvv" [13:03] maybe it's a filetype that's different? [13:04] much less .img bothers me. created by Nero? [13:04] is there any way to see jpeg files without X? [13:04] I know - it's been fun trying to find that out [13:04] using framebuffer etc [13:04] Toweliee: yes - check some of the cli tools [13:04] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [13:05] now i'm just using the tty, no X.. what clie tools? [13:05] imi not sure the output is fitting, its TOO long [13:05] Toweliee, it's not worth (imho) trying to learn to use svgalib to view images that way [13:05] so, there is some lynx with jpeg support? [13:06] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] Toweliee, yup looks like a real web browser at cli [13:06] links -g [13:06] what the heck is cli? [13:06] Toweliee: "man seejpeg" [13:06] command line [13:06] ok [13:06] missyjane, you get that working yet? [13:07] Toweliee: "Command Line Interface" - think terminal [13:07] Old_Fogie, the file to be mounted? no but im about to give up [13:07] ah [13:07] i could just do it at windows and be done with it [13:07] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-154-24.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [13:07] could someone send me a jpeg image? [13:07] sometimes, somethings are just left better off as they be I say [13:07] Wenca (n=wencaaa@146.scnet.cz) left ##slackware. [13:07] there's plenty on the web [13:08] missyjane: and done with it? you mean cum? [13:08] lol [13:08] send you a jpeg? you really ask *that* ...*here* ? lol [13:08] with these guys/gals..lol [13:08] lol Toweliee you trollin right? cause i was just kidding about it being porn [13:08] ahahha [13:08] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] done with it ... [13:08] Toweliee: http://www.slackware.com/~msimons/slackware/grfx/ and take your pick [13:09] nah cause i would like to test a dcc connection with irssi [13:09] most of those are .jpg images [13:09] ahhhh [13:09] missyjane, hey are you in a graphical environment, like xfce or kde? [13:10] alisonken1lap: any jpeg there? [13:10] TwinReverb, yes [13:10] most of those slackware images are jpeg's [13:10] kde [13:10] Toweliee: if you view source on that webpage, you'll see most images are jpegs [13:11] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) left irc: "leaving" [13:11] i want to test dcc conect [13:11] i'm trying to do an strace on thunar.. but the output is too huge to pastebin and when i try to redirect to a file it's not writing anything.. halp? [13:11] lol yeah i was thinking exactly that hiptobecubic [13:11] it was extremely long [13:11] strace thunar 2>&1 > ./thunarstrace [13:11] missyjane, please do this: run "khexedit", open the file with it, maximize khexedit and take a screenshot of the data, and post it on a pastebin site [13:11] Karu (n=alch@78-28-91-137.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:11] i want to look at the file headers [13:11] sigh ok hold on [13:12] hiptobecubic: 'strace -o ' [13:12] missyjane, while you are doing that, jump up and down with a glass of water on your head [13:12] alisonken1home, ah. that makes sense. [13:12] slackytude, why? [13:12] and smack yourself with a hammer [13:12] Action: TwinReverb smacks straterra with a hammer [13:12] zero_ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) joined ##slackware. [13:12] Action: TwinReverb smacks slackytude [13:12] missyjane, just adding some more loops for you to jump throuh [13:13] it's not hoops [13:13] if i find the answer in the hex info in that file, you owe me beer [13:13] I know, I know. just being my sarcastical self [13:13] loops/hoops/beurocratic red tape/etc.... [13:13] 25000 lines in ten seconds.... [13:13] hello. can you help me with an error thrown by running "git svn" on a slackware 12.2 box? error is http://pastebin.com/m21545f7b - thanks [13:13] zero_, your are pretty stubborn :D [13:13] i've more than once found what a file type is by looking at the file headers [13:13] even ancient files on ancient video games [13:14] how many lines from the end should i include? [13:14] which then allows me sometimes to hack out the videos or images :) [13:14] rafb gets upset if you paste more than ... 800 or something [13:14] no i want a screenshot in an image-type pastebin [13:14] is any1 gonna send me a jpeg? [13:14] TwinReverb, a better way would be hexdump FILE | head -n 10 > FILE [13:15] Action: TwinReverb sends Toweliee goatse.cx.jpeg [13:15] Action: theblackbox crosses his fingers and clicks his heels together..... [13:15] theblackbox (n=ubuntu@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [13:15] slackytude, well i'd rather just see the data in both hex and binary, and only the front portion [13:15] i don't need the whole thing [13:15] i have no idea how you are going to read all this zeros [13:15] slackytude, yes sir :) I fixed it on a different box by modifying the Makefile and more things. I may want to put up a howto if someone else is interested :) [13:15] easy: i am avionics on F-16's. i troubleshoot in hex and binary rather often [13:16] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:16] but remember i want it so that there's the binary column and the hex column [13:16] :( forget it [13:16] ill figure this out [13:16] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [13:16] thanks though [13:17] missyjane, oh wait i know: there's also "file" command [13:17] linux_stu (n=stuart@unaffiliated/linuxstu/x-3209) joined ##slackware. [13:17] do "file 1.img" or whatever and see what it says [13:17] example of /boot/diag1.img : [13:18] TwinReverb: she tried that, got back "1.img : data" [13:18] /boot/diag1.img: Linux kernel x86 boot executable zImage, version ±\004Óû\001Ø\216Ø\211\026&\001ü´\017Í\020\230Í\020è\013\011, RO-rootFS, Prompt for Videomode [13:18] Could someone please help me? I had removed kde3 last night with the remove-kde3.sh script and was going to attempt to install kde4. Now, when I log in, instead of logging into xfce, which I set with xwmconfig, it goes to twm. Is there another way to set xfce as default? [13:18] alisonken1home, wow [13:19] one of the first things I asked her to try [13:19] TwinReverb: has anyone mentioned the strings command yet ? [13:19] agentfloyd (n=matt@h53.233.55.66.ip.alltel.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] firebird619, in pkgtool , setup, have root setup the window manager as what you want [13:20] not yet - she's still learning about linux stuff apparently, and strings can get interesting if you don't have an idea of what you're looking for [13:20] ah - true enough :) [13:20] Old_Fogie: Ok, Thank you. [13:20] firebird619, i'm assuming your stuck with xorg's xdm log in manager right? if so taht should do it [13:20] Old_Fogie: Yes I am. [13:20] firebird619, i think /usr/bin/xfce4-session is what X needs to run [13:20] alisonken1lap, for some reason, .img or clonecd derived files are the only ones im having trouble with :/ i could pretty much mount anything in the past and could get that to work [13:20] TwinReverb: send again [13:20] firebird619, ok ya that should do it, yw. [13:20] Toweliee, huh? [13:20] the image [13:21] ive always had trouble with that, so i kept a 20gb windows xp install for clonecd or newest/latest game [13:21] i never sent any images [13:21] sorry 40gb* [13:21] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:21] missyjane: MS-base cd/dvd image tools can get interesting since most of them make the assumption that the file will only be used on a windows box [13:21] zero_, my hat is off to you [13:21] lyecdevf (n=lyecdevf@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Connection timed out [13:21] alisonken1lap, i have to wait until this person gets online then, its possible for that to happen [13:21] slackytude, but not mine. my tin foil hat is STAYING ON!!!! :D [13:22] alisonken1lap, yup that's why I use mojave [13:22] it's more 'open' than windows [13:22] ... clonecd doesn't appear to produce an image that is a file system - it looks to be a proprietary format for which there may or may not be some conversion utilities [13:22] there are [13:22] especially when they don't look at the image save options - had that happen with the wife on her ms box, she tried to make a cd, but it defaulted to ms-only format that couldn't be read by a standard audio cd player [13:23] i guess thats why none of the stuff we were doing wasnt working [13:23] ccd2iso [13:23] yeah, just saw that in google results [13:23] it's in debian [13:23] have you tried a frontend? [13:23] haha "your os/browser is not supported by silverlight" [13:23] like k3b [13:23] Toweliee, and do what? burn it? [13:23] TwinReverb: ack - nasty [13:23] slackytude, and a happy new year to you too :) [13:23] zero_, ^-^ [13:24] more like "your morality is too high to use a microsoft product. please try something by mac or linux" :D [13:24] missyjane: isnt there a virtual drive ? [13:24] zero_, yeah, "guten rutsch" as we say here [13:24] Toweliee, hm good idea lemme look [13:24] something like that [13:24] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:24] TwinReverb: :) [13:25] zero_, did the DESTDIR stuff helo or did you edit the Makefile by hand? [13:25] it turns out i can also have as many logical drive as i want [13:25] so far i have 6 [13:25] about to create more... [13:25] I can't figure out why we'd want web apps at all if not to provide uniform, portable/flexible access to whomever we want - doesn't using a tech that restricts you to a certain OS/browser defeat that purpose completely ? [13:25] missyjane: trying k3b? [13:26] yeah Toweliee [13:26] sorry the logical drive thing was just a random comment [13:26] rk4n3, "residual profits" [13:26] Action: TwinReverb doesn't like web apps [13:26] it's a conspiracy to control us through what applications we use (cf cloud computing) [13:26] rk4n3, there you go being sensible again [13:26] Action: TwinReverb dons tin foil hat again -<:-) [13:26] id like to tell how i hate adobe developers [13:26] Action: Old_Fogie dons the tin foilhat [13:27] haha - I guess I'd better stop or the lawnmower will hit me [13:27] TwinReverb, google had a funny comment in gmail, to paraphrase "Tinfoil aluminum can be recycled to make beautiful tinfoil hats." [13:27] adobe acrobat sucks flash sucks [13:27] so buggy [13:27] TwinReverb: a good web app shifts admin work to the server side, and theoretically simplifies things for end users [13:27] AHAHAHAHA missyjane [13:27] pi31415, and also makes everyone vulnerable due to grouping them into the same mode of use [13:27] mode of use? [13:27] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [13:27] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] yeah but adobe flash is "when webapps go postal" [13:28] pi31415, if everyone uses a web app, all fine and dandy, until it has a vulnerability [13:28] slackytude, used "make DESTDIR=/usr install" after also modifying some things within the Makefile [13:28] more like the theme from Outer Limits, not just profits [13:28] at that point, you can't use the app with your computer unplugged (since it's a network vulnerability) [13:28] TwinReverb: but if everyone uses sendmail, the situation is different? [13:28] sendmail still runs on the native machine [13:28] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:28] slackboy, which I forgot to thank you for the DESTDIR suggestion [13:28] and you could in theory unplug it at a corporation and use only internal email [13:28] slackboy, so thanks :) [13:28] at least until it's fixed [13:28] zero_, slackboy answered yo? [13:29] zero_, no sweat ^-^ [13:29] you [13:29] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:29] sorry wrong nick [13:29] oh, heh [13:29] :) [13:29] but with online web apps, everyone's info is online at the same place, so not only is it vulnerable because everyone is at the same server usually, but it's also vulnerable in that the data goes online [13:29] tab completion, tab completion :) [13:29] slackboy doesnt talk much since slackgirl left with the slackkids [13:29] im thinking of creating a partition where i can backup my /home/mj to and add an encryption to it.. anybody think its a bad idea to do that? [13:29] TwinReverb, cloud computing is very long off I belive [13:29] this partition would be on another hard drive [13:29] that sounds like a classical case of alles aus liebe [13:29] he just sits there and, on occassion, kicks someone [13:30] i hope cloud computing never comes [13:30] TwinReverb, and as far away in future the better I say [13:30] :( slackboy is so cute... [13:30] TwinReverb: I was not advocating web apps for sensitive information [13:30] how sensitive are pictures of your children though? [13:30] think of the children [13:30] your family photo album could become some pervert's playground [13:30] gui is bad many times soo limiting..as of now..web apps even more limiting [13:30] missyjane, not a bad idea at all, tho, you could go with a encrypted file, too [13:30] using web apps opens up the machine to direct OS use through network [13:31] which is just absolutely retarded beyond my comprehension [13:31] slackytude, you mean like truecrypt container? [13:31] we have enough trouble with web-aware applications as it is due to the nature of the internet's traffic [13:31] TwinReverb: if someone compromises an SMTP server on AOL.com, the same is true.. if I send those pictures to my grandfather on aol.com [13:31] ok k3b cant do it [13:31] Karu (n=alch@78-28-91-137.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:31] and now we want to let that traffic in closer to our OS and trust it more? pfft [13:31] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [13:31] pi31415, but i can unplug and still use some of my email stuff, just not send the email out yet [13:31] missyjane, yeah, like that. been some tme since I did anything like that tho. others may have more recent experience [13:32] TwinReverb: you can't unplug aol [13:32] ok np [13:32] missyjane: right, give up [13:32] your aol calendar is not (iirc) stored on aol but on your own computer (i.e. like in outlook) [13:33] yet what i am referring to is similar to using kmail on your machine or using kmail run from a cloud computing model [13:33] aol's gonna be outta business in no time /me thinks [13:33] with it on your own computer, you can just not send data, but you still have your emails to view (since they're stored on your computer, not theirs) and your calendar, contact info, etc [13:33] then try moving that data elsewhere, what a nightmare [13:33] TwinReverb: you can use mutt all you like, but if you send those photos to grandpa on aol.com, once you send them you sent them. if the aol mail server was compromised, then the photos could be a pervert's playground and there's nothing you can do about it. fact of life on the Internet. [13:34] with kmail on THEIR server, you lost your data, your confidentiality, your friend's information (so they're now getting spam), and your calendar is exposed, meaning the perpetrator now knows not only who you talk to but where you are and where you will be [13:34] and you lose your calendar info so you may miss appointments, etc [13:34] but aol is a bad example [13:34] aol is bad [13:34] aol is already essentially cloud computing which is why i don't trust it one bit [13:34] it is a good example because maybe your family member is using AOL and you can't change that [13:34] with puresimplicity.net pop3, my email is on my own machine [13:34] i don't email people at aol [13:35] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:35] also, my calendars are on my own machine [13:35] don't email aol people? wow you have tinfoil glasses too ! :D [13:35] hell, a tin foil suit [13:35] in that case, they can only get my data if they hack puresimplicity.net (not likely: the admin is a crusty freebsd person with a paranoid complex on security) and wait for me to email [13:35] haha [13:35] call me tin man :) [13:35] hahaha :) [13:36] o/~ if i only had a brain o/~ [13:36] so in my case, they aren't getting jack [13:36] oh yeah, that was the scare crow [13:36] pi31415, allegory fail :P [13:36] tin man wanted a heart [13:36] and i highly doubt HEMI (the admin) even bothers to cache emails [13:36] so in my case, i still win [13:36] but if kmail was a web app, i would lose no matter what i did with it [13:37] i do like that they added ssl to smtp [13:37] so, no, i am 100% against cloud computing [13:37] TwinReverb, if you dont want to answer thats ok but what rank did you get to? [13:37] twinreverb: there's nothing stopping you from using pgp to keep your kids photos safe in the cloud [13:37] i mean this: if they make cloud computing mandatory, i will have the last three versions of linux on dvd including source code [13:37] slackytude, I think I just solved this new error too. was related to cpan module 'Error' missing [13:37] i will unplug [13:37] pi31415, which i do [13:37] er, um, no [13:37] first, by default, if you use their app, they have your keys [13:37] wrong [13:38] because all apps that plug into that web app are on the same server [13:38] gmail has imap access, you can use pgp without giving them your keys [13:38] zero_, sorry, I wasnt even aware there was a new error. [13:38] slackytude, ok, now you can congrat me and pretend you care :) Anyway, thanks again for the support [13:38] you could even using some browser based plugin [13:38] zero_, heh, congrats :D [13:38] well no, pi31415, their goal with cloud computing is so that computers are no more than dumb terminals: the cheaper the better [13:38] and thanks to anyone caring to help somebody else out there :) [13:38] Action: slackytude pretends [13:38] Action: BP{k} d oesn't. [13:38] pgp is not that much overhead compared to the whole of firefox [13:39] i highly doubt full-blown cloud computing machines will have their own hard drives. they want everything possible to be online [13:39] much less then the machines get less powerful, meaning i doubt you'd be able to encrypt a file without waiting hours [13:39] slackytude, not sure, you think somebody would be interested on a walkthrough on how to get git-svn work on slackware 12.2? [13:39] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [13:39] again, i'm looking at their statements as for the end goal of cloud computing: all processing and storage is on the server, all you need is a very minimal terminal in their minds [13:39] TwinReverb, they'll sell you an upgraded monthly subscription for the "security" [13:39] zero_, well, you could put it on slackwiki or linuxquestions.org [13:39] sounds nice on paper but in reality it's retarded [13:40] slackytude, I may have broken something, but elsewise (ans most probably) git-svn does not work out of the box... [13:40] sort of like marxism [13:40] Old_Fogie, yep [13:40] zero_, no, it does not [13:40] residual revenu streams [13:40] so call me tin foil hat man all you want, but i say screw cloud computing [13:40] TwinReverb: The Matrix? [13:40] slackytude, so you confirm it does not work? [13:40] i don't care if i have to revert to the pre-PC days of making my own PC boards, i will never use cloud computing [13:40] zero_, Im on slack 12.1 and it didnt work here [13:41] zero_, said so yesterday [13:41] twinreverb: you may end up using fido net or somesuch [13:41] slackytude, sorry, can't recall... [13:41] TwinReverb: ok, dont freakin up [13:41] i'm just skimming here [13:41] and like [13:41] Can't locate Error.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8/i486-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.8/i486-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/i486-linux-thread-multi /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.8.8/Git.pm line 93. [13:41] slackytude: so install the perl module [13:41] agentfloyd (n=matt@h53.233.55.66.ip.alltel.net) left irc: "BitchX: the right choice for a healthy pet" [13:41] pi31415, please keep your eyes out for me then: if there's some new web app that rocks, tell me about it, so i can be sure never to use it :D :P [13:42] Old_Fogie: Using pkgtool didn't work either for making xfce default. [13:42] twinreverb: i like to order used books on amazon, that gets me the best price and selection [13:42] firebird619, hmmm that's odd [13:42] Dominian, thats already been solved. the question was if that happend by chance or is already for a fresh install [13:42] twinreverb: it doesn't get any cloudier than that [13:42] Probably a fresh install [13:42] pi31415, how is amazon cloud computing? [13:42] I doubt PV installs every single perl module on the planet. [13:42] Old_Fogie: Is there another way to set it? [13:43] Dominian, yeah [13:43] josemanuel (n=josemanu@193.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:43] firebird619, other than those two ways I can't think of anything, except something in one of your ~/.* files in your home messing you up [13:43] firebird619, you could use run leve 3 for the time being, startx will definitely honor what you set in 'xwmconfig' [13:43] crazybyte (n=crzp@unaffiliated/crazypenguin/x-000001) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:44] firebird619, until you get kde4 going [13:44] firebird619: look at startx and see what it's looking for in a local startup option in your home directory is the only other thing I can think of [13:44] TwinReverb: Google is cloud computing [13:44] http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8471 [13:44] Gmail.. apps.. calendar.. google documents.. etc etc etc [13:44] Google is pretty much pioneering cloud computing [13:44] "Amazon will be like a book store that sells cocaine out the back door." [13:44] Old_Fogie: Ok, I can give that a try. Thanks. [13:44] Dominian, no, firefox resides on my hard drive, not on google [13:44] (not withstanding their chrome browser) [13:45] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: "Gone" [13:45] TwinReverb: Umm there's more to cloud computing than just the apps. [13:45] "Everyone elseGoogle and Microsoftare working on their cloud computing services, but they are really in the first revision of their respective offerings. Amazon is ahead and tweaking" [13:45] There are the apps presented that are browser based.. you work on a document in Google's Documents setup.. you create on their servers.. using your browser.. but the data is saved on their servers all the time.. that's cloud computing [13:45] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:45] TwinReverb, the data is in the cloud for stuff like google documents [13:46] so we had to relabel the internet as "cloud computing"? bull [13:46] my machine does the processing, they only give me the html data [13:46] uhh no [13:46] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] TwinReverb: You are going way beyond what cloud computing truly is [13:46] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing [13:46] Tehere [13:46] Channel flood from Dominian -- kicking [13:46] read [13:46] Dominian kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [13:46] no sense in calling it anything but "the internet" if nothing changed [13:46] Dominian (i=dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [13:46] fail [13:46] Dominian, :( [13:46] /oops [13:46] there is server side processing. [13:47] With Google Apps.. there is a lot more going on behind the scenese than you realize. [13:47] aliase (n=aliase@76-10-154-24.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "AHHHHHHHHHH!" [13:47] but in genereal terms "cloud computing" is just another uzzword [13:47] "Cloud computing refers to the delivery of computational resources from a location other than your current one" [13:47] bingo [13:47] google may do processing, but that's not any different [13:47] Sure it is [13:48] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [13:48] The way that .. lets say google docs is written.. the processing and everything is DONE on their servers.. your browser loads a visual representation.. nothing more [13:48] Old_Fogie: That did the trick, thanks agian. [13:48] whatever then [13:48] *again [13:48] let me rephrase [13:48] its a good concept [13:48] i will never use web apps [13:48] then don't [13:48] right [13:48] It may not be something for you [13:48] but its something I find very useful [13:49] "cloud computing" is when I run an app on my home server from my laptop :) [13:49] heh [13:49] thats ssh! [13:49] + xforwarding! [13:49] Cloud computing is when I use the weather to do my DVD encoding [13:49] I guess you "could" label that as clould computing [13:50] nope - ssh is when I log into the server to do file maintenance [13:50] alisonken1lap, i see that but when do you do that? [13:50] well another somewhat semi good example would be distcc [13:50] that, in a way, is cloud computing [13:50] Action: Dominian shrugs [13:51] letting other servers do the work [13:51] TwinReverb: when I do terminal server stuff and my laptop is the client [13:51] alisonken1lap: bingo [13:51] pi31415 (n=chatzill@75.145.67.114) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120121]" [13:51] alisonken1lap, yet that doesn't match what i was saying in terms of security. it's your app. [13:51] cloud computingw [13:52] It would be nice if you could setup google docs in your intranet [13:52] same concept - different locations [13:52] the problem is in marketing - and how marketspeak changes the _percevied_ differences between funcionts [13:52] s/funcionts/functions/ [13:53] in context, it's when it's THEIR app [13:54] in basics.. terminal server is cloud computing [13:54] buzzword [13:54] slackytude: I know a few companies that do use google docs... a lot [13:54] marketspeak :) [13:54] Toweliee: what alisonken1lap said [13:54] alisonken1home: damn you.. you have too many damn aliases [13:54] Dominian, yeah. and that is fine as long as their connection to google is up [13:54] just get a host and use irssi with screen hehe [13:54] slackytude: aye [13:55] slackytude: works well.. I know a few places that use google apps to host their email etc as well [13:55] Dominian: depends on when the kid is playing his game on the home system :) [13:56] hey, nice move from AMD [13:56] since I'm home today, I have to share the home system with him, so drag out the laptop while he's playing his games [13:56] "AMD has just released code that will allow for open-source 3D acceleration on their ATI R600 and R700 graphics cards, including all of their newest Radeon HD 4xxx products. [13:56] didn't I read that about 3 months ago? [13:56] AMD owns ATI ? [13:57] since end of last year/beginning this year [13:57] yeah [13:57] (gonna have to watch that saying this week :) ) [13:59] alisonken1home: nah..they've been planning on doing it for a while [14:01] straterra: I read that in the press release some time ago - I just thought I rememberd that they _did_ announce the open codebase several months ago [14:01] rather than just announcing intentions [14:02] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [14:02] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] zero_ (n=zero@86.121.40.85) left irc: "thanks and happy new year" [14:03] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] uhvo (n=priit@abel.eys.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:07] SlackLnx (n=Lee@bl7-130-51.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "I'll Be Back" [14:07] Alan Cox is it.. that works for Redhat.. is actually leaving Redhat to work for Intel [14:07] hitest_ (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [14:08] just read it [14:09] Weird0ne (n=julianm@endeavor.jdrush.net) joined ##slackware. [14:10] yep [14:10] that was posted last week - interesting times indeed. His reason was (somewhat speculatively) suggested that he want's to be "closer to the metal" programming [14:11] I wonder if higher pay/benefits were a factor :) [14:11] its nice t osee kernel devs heading to Intel though. [14:11] NVIDIA! [14:11] heh [14:11] ATI [14:12] (current test chip from china)! [14:12] I prefer Nvidia [14:14] sQuEE (n=narya@host101.201-252-1.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:14] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:15] Toweliee (n=root@20151049085.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] evo_ (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:19] broken_quiche1 (n=ed@92.8.201.209) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Nvidia is the only way to go [14:20] What's the default initrd file for slackware? Because the name /boot/README.initrd strikes me as a little odd. [14:20] sQuEE (n=narya@201.253.212.110) joined ##slackware. [14:20] broken_quiche1, O_o [14:21] what does the name README suggest to you? [14:21] To read it [14:21] Which I tried, but Kate wouldn't open it. Wrong charset? [14:22] hmmm [14:22] how about vi? [14:22] broken_quiche1: initrd's are specific to your setup - you have to create one after you install (unless you _really_ know what you're doing, then you can create it when you install it) [14:22] vi /boot/README.initrd [14:22] lol good idea [14:23] try "ls -l /boot/README.initrd" to get the link to the real file and then see if it exists [14:23] if you did a standard install, it should be there [14:23] people insist on using a GUI to much. onced you figure out you can do alot more in a cmd prompt you will have a much easier time in linux [14:24] okibisan (n=okibisan@24-151-173-194.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:24] Whoa, this is weird... vi isn't reading it either. It's just showing the path name and [New File] [14:25] Anyway, I take it that I don't need one if I've just done a normal, bog standard install. [14:26] depends [14:26] as long as you use the hugh kernel, you dont need it [14:26] Well, I just did a pretty simple setup with the 'expert' lilo installation bit of the setup program and it worked so I'll assume that all is jolly [14:26] Yeah, huge-smp [14:27] Cheers (B) [14:27] switching to generic kernel means you need initrd [14:27] in most cases [14:27] broken_quiche1: did you try "ls -l /boot/REAME.initrd" ? [14:27] broken_quichel: what are you trying to do? [14:28] broken_quiche1: are you trying that command from the boot cd1 or from an installed system? [14:29] jebus i am board i got to find something to do [14:29] Now #lilo is redirecting me to #freenode and neither of my browsers are working... I blame my ISP... so I'll ask here: what is lilo's configuration file that will tell me the kernel parameters, initrd and stuff? [14:29] alison: That doesn't matter anymore, thanks though [14:29] /etc/lilo.conf [14:29] I was just a bit bamboozled [14:29] Cheers (B) [14:29] man lilo [14:30] ah good idea, sorry [14:31] actually, the boot cd1 has the readme in a different location - /boot/README.initrd is only available on an installed system [14:33] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [14:34] and (due to people asking questions about other distros), /boot/README.initrd may only be if you've installed slackware - other distros may have it in a different location [14:34] (if any) [14:34] just a thought, but has anyone ever thought about slackpkg similar to sbopkg, e.g you can actually browse folders and such [14:34] you can view slackpkg and suggest diff's to pat :) [14:35] I'm afraid I'm not the right guy to do that :) [14:35] the other option is to email the maintainer and see (s)he would be willing to add it [14:35] I found 'read-only' in the /etc/lilo.conf in the listing for an OS; shall I append ro to the bit where I say my kernel in /boot/grub/menu.lst? [14:36] broken_quiche1: for that, you have to check the grub docs for the proper option - and initial installs should have readonly on boot filesystem so consistency checks can be done [14:36] broken_quichel what are you trying to do? [14:36] s/installs/boot scripts/ [14:37] lotec: write a menu.lst from a lilo.conf [14:38] broken_quiche1: you don't need to append read-only to grup [14:38] s/grup/grub [14:38] broken_quiche1: actually you do, but just ro [14:38] coolness [14:38] cheers [14:39] why not just use the default grub menu.list and just add your lines u need to it? [14:39] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:39] or i thought grub could even read the default lilo.conf? [14:39] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [14:39] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:39] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [14:41] Marvellous, job done [14:41] I don't know [14:41] I didn't know there was a default menu.lst in slackware and I don't know much about GRUB [14:41] Any6way, all is good I think so thanks everyone [14:41] broken_quiche1 (n=ed@92.8.201.209) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [14:42] it was probably because lilo.conf has a line for 'read-only' and grub doesn't :) [14:43] Does anyone the reason why, when starting shells from within 'screen', /etc/profile.d/coreutils-dircolors.sh doesn't get executed? [14:43] *know the reason [14:43] screen is it's own environment and doesn't look at it? [14:44] not a login shell [14:44] hitest_ (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [14:45] slackytude, alisonken1home: but some other files in /etc/profile.d/ *do* get executed. [14:45] For example, my PKG_CONFIG_PATH is set. [14:45] Zordrak, try a bash -l in screen [14:46] Zosma, , try a bash -l in screen [14:47] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Zosma: also, PKG_CONFIG_PATH may be getting set in /etc/profile - not by one of the /etc/profile.d scripts [14:47] Aha okay, thanks both. [14:48] Zosma, did it work? [14:48] Yep. [14:48] told ya [14:48] :-) [14:48] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:48] be sure to setup a sane .bashrc file [14:48] as that gets read by none login shells [14:49] Yeah I'll do that. Would it be madness to explicitly run the coreutils-dircolor thingy from there? [14:49] So it'll be run from bothe login and interactive shells? [14:49] Aldaron_ (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) joined ##slackware. [14:49] no, not really. my .profile just executes my .bashrc [14:49] so I get the same in both [14:49] Aldaron (i=1000@nblzone-228-25.nblnetworks.fi) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] or maybe its the other way around [14:50] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:50] effect is the same :P [14:50] My bash_profile includes my bashrc [14:50] So yeah. [14:52] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:54] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [14:55] I now have kde4 installed. I used wget to download all the packages to my hard drive and then followed the readme for how to install them. Is that ok, or is there a better way to do it? [14:55] that's how you do it [14:55] Dominian: cool. KDE4 works great so far, but now opera is broken [14:56] heh [14:56] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Dominian: It is missing libqt-mt. Is there a fix for that do you know? [14:57] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:59] Dominian: slackpkg shows [ upgrade ] - qt-r887099-i486-1 --> qt-3.3.8b-i486-2 for libqt-mt. If I installed that, would that mess things up? [15:02] Mmm my dad has installed 12.2 (I'm still at 12.0), what's the 'new' way of switching to a TTY from X? [15:03] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [15:03] firebird619, that should be part of qt4, iirc [15:03] Zosma, there is no new way [15:04] Then he's doing some wrong hehe. [15:04] Okay. [15:04] firebird619: You should have removed the qt-3.3 anyway [15:04] firebird619: the qt-r887099 is qt4 whichi s required [15:04] _paco_ (n=cem@unaffiliated/paco/x-456320) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Dominian: I did remove all of KDE3 and used the remove-kde3.sh script. [15:05] slackytude: Any ideas then? /var/log packages shows I have qt=r887099 installed. [15:05] Dominian: I have that qt4 installed/listed in /var/log/packages. [15:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:08] firebird619, I think Ive read something about qt changing stuff in its mutlithread library, which is libqt-mt but not usre if thats the problem. best to ask other kde4 users [15:09] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [15:09] slackytude: Who in here uses kde4? Doesn't alienBOB? [15:09] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:09] Zosma: but in runlevel 4 only tty6 is available. [15:09] BP{k}: mmm that might be it, thanks. [15:10] firebird619, yea, think so [15:10] BP{k}: unmodified /etc/inittab only has tty6 in runlevel 4 - that can be fixed :) [15:11] slackytude: I can watch for him. Any certain time he is usually around, or just online here and there? [15:12] alisonken1home: yes, I know :) [15:13] :) [15:13] firebird619, I have no clue. might want to ask in #kde too [15:13] ok - getting ready to see if my brandy-new 12.2 disks have errors [15:13] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Connection timed out [15:15] slackytude: Ok. Thanks [15:16] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-128-169.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [15:18] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:19] get (n=getf@unaffiliated/get) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] nice - they changed the printing on the new CD's from blue to white [15:23] Action: alisonken1home wonders if the install cd will recognize atheros wireless driver and be able to connect with wep (I know - but it's an older wireless ap with wep only) [15:25] see how freebsd likes vmware [15:25] josemanuel (n=josemanu@193.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:28] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "shutdown for appartment maintanance" [15:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:33] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [15:34] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-251.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [15:40] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:40] renew01 (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:41] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] I asked in KDE about the libqt-mt issue, they said "find out which env variable contains the lib lookup path (its something like LD_LIBRARY_PATH i think) and add /usr/lib/qt/lib to it" Could someone help me do that? [15:42] Action: Cloud88 sera [15:42] vi /etc/profile - look for the "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.." variable, and add it there [15:43] alisonken1home: Thank you. [15:44] hmmm - it's not part of my /etc/profile, so you may have to add the complete line to it [15:44] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:45] alisonken1home: Yeah, it isn't in there. So I would add "export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/qt/lib" ? [15:45] that would be how to set it - to make it active, you have to restart your X session or "source /etc/profile" to enable in the current shell [15:47] alisonken1home: Any certain place in there I should add it to? [15:47] the other place to check would be /etc/ld.so.conf [15:48] I believe the LD_LIBRARY_PATH is for source compiling - so you may want to just vi /etc/ld.so.conf and add "/usr/lib/qt/lib" line, then rerun ldconfig to activate it [15:49] alisonken1home: Ok, I will try that. Thank you. [15:49] alisonken1home: That did the trick. Thanks agian. [15:49] *again [15:49] np [15:50] you can pm/email the kde4 team (or better yet, ping pat at slackware) to have that added in the ld.so.conf file when qt4 package is installed [15:51] that would be a patch to the qt4 package->/install/doinst.sh script [15:51] alisonken1home: Sorry, but how would I "ping pat at slackware" I have never done anything like that. I have been on slackware about a week and still learning? :) [15:52] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:52] ok - this would be a good learning experience for making a patch to a slackware package :) otherwise, email info@slackware.com with the recommendation [15:53] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:54] schenkel (n=schenkel@201-66-201-63.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Client Quit [15:54] alisonken1home: Ok. Where would I start to learn for making a patch? Then, I assume I submit it somewhere or recommend it or something? [15:55] Nick change: root__ -> nukedclx [15:55] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [15:57] since slackware packages are just tgz files, get the package.tgz file, untar it into a directory, cd /install, cp doinst.sh to doinst.sh.orig, make changes, then "diff -u doinst.sh doinst.sh.orig", send the resulting patch to info@slackware.com [15:57] with appropriate notes [15:59] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-57-128-169.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Connection timed out [15:59] alisonken1home: That doesn't sound so bad. So in my case, it would be the qt4 package right? I have all those downloaded from installing KDE4, so I could just use that one right? [16:00] as long as they are slackware install packages, yes. otherwise, if they are source packages, it may take a few more steps [16:00] where did you get the kde4 packages from? [16:01] alisonken1home: This is the package from Slackware /testing. [16:01] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:01] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [16:02] ah - it wasn't part of the cd pack I got which is why I was wondering [16:02] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:02] alisonken1home: The package in /testing is just named qt-r887099-i486-1.tgz instead of qt4. Would that still be the right one though? [16:03] if it was in testing, probably [16:03] alisonken1home firebird619... never send email to info@slackware.com ... that email is probably never going to be read [16:03] The email address to Slackware is all over the Slackware CD/DVD [16:04] alienBOB: hmmm - I've used it to update my subscription shipping address, but your suggestion is probably better :) [16:04] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:04] alienBOB: Ok. While your here. I had also had a question about digikam. Any idea why the Batch menu would be blank? [16:04] Strange that Opera would be the only app that needs this library added to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH ... all other apps just read QTDIR or QT4DIR [16:05] firebird619: no idea, I only build the package, I am no expert in the user of the software [16:05] alienBOB: Ok, I had asked last night and rworkman suggested to ask you to see if you knew. Thank you. [16:06] firebird619: Is that digikam for KDE 4? [16:06] I never built digikam for kde4 (yet) [16:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] jkwood: No, KDE3. It is still working in KDE4, just the Batch menu is empty. [16:07] And since I no longer run KDE3 I should try to build it sometime [16:07] uhvo (n=priit@abel.eys.ee) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:07] alienBOB: I just installed KDE4 today, so far it's working great except for the libqt-mt issue which I now have fixed. [16:08] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:09] evening geeks :-) [16:09] i just spewed tea all over my laptop screen [16:09] damn it [16:09] was it that funny?!? [16:10] fddfoo (n=root@unaffiliated/fdd) left irc: "101001110110^|^<#4][ 0.2.6" [16:10] firebird619: Ah. I was going to point out that in KDE 4, they're still constantly updating stuff... but in your case, I have no idea. [16:12] jkwood: Ok thanks. Now I am trying to patch this qt package now as alisonken1home suggested. What exact line would I add to the install.sh script that would add /usr/lib/qt/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf [16:12] echo "/usr/lib/qt/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf [16:13] slackytude: Would I add that to the end of the file, beginning, or doesn't matter? [16:13] the >> is important [16:13] Be sure to use two of the >'s or you'll overwrite it. [16:13] End of the file. [16:13] >> == concatenate. [16:13] firebird619, doesnt matter, so just use >>, wich puts it at the end [16:13] Well... append. [16:13] So, (echo "/usr/lib/qt/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf) ? [16:14] no need for dem brackets [16:14] but yeah [16:14] slackytude: the parenthases? Ok. Everything else in the doinst.sh script has them, so leave them out? [16:15] shouldnt matter any way [16:15] does anyone here ever had success with forcing an Intel card to a specific rate? [16:16] it seems to just ignore what i tell it with iwconfig [16:16] slackytude: Ok. Thank you. [16:17] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [16:17] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) got netsplit. [16:17] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-251.wlms-broadband.com) got netsplit. [16:17] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) got netsplit. [16:17] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) got netsplit. [16:17] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [16:17] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) got netsplit. 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[16:24] hopefully it won't get as bad as DALnet was [16:24] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:25] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:25] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Could someone please help me with what I do with this patch now? I made the changes to doinst.sh, etc. Do I repackage it into a .tgz file now or what? [16:26] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:27] firebird619: can you pastebin your changes so we can look? [16:27] alisonken1home: Sure. Paste the contents of doinst.sh? [16:27] sure [16:27] it's actually a one-liner that should work [16:27] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) joined ##slackware. [16:28] get (n=getf@ensim2.fmsweb.de) joined ##slackware. [16:28] and don't forget that it may be getting installed in a directory other than your root - look at $DESTDIR for installing packages [16:29] alisonken1home: Yes, with help from others in here, I added echo "/usr/lib/qt/lib" >> /etc/ld.so.conf to the doinst.sh file. [16:29] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) joined ##slackware. [16:29] alisonken1home: You mean when I installed the qt package while installing KDE4 it may not have installed to root? [16:30] alisonken1home: http://slackware.pastebin.com/m45efe900 <---There is the whole doinst.sh contents. Hope I did it right? [16:30] i think alisonken1home misstook what you were saying for a .SlackBuild [16:31] Nick change: gewt -> p4ssw0rd [16:31] Nick change: p4ssw0rd -> gewt [16:31] installpkg will install to / unless you specically call it with ROOT=/somewhere/else [16:31] Shuren (n=Devilman@host223-170-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:31] well for one you dont need absolute paths in doinst (and your echo statement has them) [16:31] but that only works if $ROOT is added to the script [16:31] Vic1ous_ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-151-84.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:32] what?!? [16:32] macavity: Ok. Where do I find where to send this patch to. I looked around a little on slackware.org and found security@slackware.com and info@slackware.com. Isn't there another address to send patches to? [16:32] BP{k}: So what should I have there? [16:33] firebird619: volkerdi@slackware.com [16:33] macavity: Ok, Thanks. [16:33] >> etc/ld.so.conf [16:33] firebird619: BUT i dont think he needs it.. in fact i think he is aware of the matter [16:33] firebird619: you got it from /testing right? [16:33] macavity: Yes. Is that a known issue? [16:34] uh, great, now the bots have some email to parse from the public log [16:34] YAY [16:34] firebird619: its set up this way to prevent it from colliding with Qt3 [16:34] macavity: unless installpkg does a chroot, anything prefixed with / will go to the current root, not the install root [16:34] macavity: uhm... [16:34] qt4 from testing, can't co-excist with qt3. [16:34] firebird619: when it becomes main-line Qt will go in /usr/lib/ [16:34] yeah.. [16:35] you're thinking of the rworkman builds [16:35] BP{k}: oh.. [16:35] qt4 from SBo can .. but not the slackware version. [16:35] aye [16:35] roger [16:35] its all or nothing with slackwre [16:35] see .. [16:35] I have the blessing from Rev Dominian. ;) [16:35] macavity: Ok. I had to add /usr/lib/qt/lib to ld.so.conf to get digikam and opera working, otherwise it said missing libqt.mt. I have qt4 installed from SBo [16:35] heh [16:35] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-154-112.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] alisonken1home: just read installpkg(8) [16:36] firebird619: i think i better back down.. apparently i am not fully updated on the matter.. but Dominian and BP{k} seems to know whats going on [16:37] yeah. a load of smoke and mirrors it seems. [16:37] ah.. DAMN i am slow today.. yes, alisonken1home is right, you should strip the leading / from /usr/lib/qt/lib/ if you want to be "correct" [16:38] considering that SBO has qt-4.4.3. [16:38] macavity: actually, I do "less /sbin/installpkg" rather than man :) [16:38] So anyway, I shouldn't send this change then for adding /usr/lib/qt/lib to ld.so.conf? I just know I had to do that or digikam and opera complained. [16:39] i just dd if=/sbin/installpkg of=/dev/brain [16:39] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [16:39] if I have "ACCEPT all -- anywhere anywhere state RELATED,ESTABLISHED" in my INPUT table, is there a reason why iptables could still be messing with a locally-originated POP3 connection to an outside server ? [16:39] LaggyFedora (n=LaggyFed@75-20-152-19.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] qt-r887099 is from -current/testing. [16:39] so frankly I am getting majorly confused what the heck firebird619 is doing/or is installed. [16:40] firebird619: the worst thing that can happen is that he ignores it, so go ahead and send it [16:40] and macavity, no `"/usr/lib/qt/lib"` would be correct as long as it gets added to "etc/ld.so.conf" not /etc ;) [16:41] ... that is, with OUTPUT chain policy ACCEPT [16:41] Vic1ous_ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-151-84.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:41] BP{k}: roger, that just dawned on me.. i need more coffee :-/ [16:41] firebird619: what BP{k} said [16:41] Action: macavity shuts up and makes a seccond brew [16:41] the worst think that could happen is that it gets included and then breaks everybodys slack! [16:42] BP{k}: I installed KDE4 today. After it was installed, opera and digikam complained about missing libqt-mt. I asked in here and #kde as to what to do. The resulting answer was from #kde to find out which env variable contains the lib lookup path (its something like LD_LIBRARY_PATH i think) and add /usr/lib/qt/lib to it. So I added /usr/lib/qt/lib to ld.so.conf. [16:42] slackytude: Mr Pat V was compiled with -pedantic, so that is not likely to ever happen ;-) [16:42] slackytude: Well I sure don't want that to happen. [16:43] ^-^ [16:44] firebird619: just to sum up, strip the / from /etc/ld.so.conf in the doinst.sh, so it will work with $ROOT= or -root (which is what is done during the install phase) [16:44] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Connection timed out [16:45] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:45] macavity: Ok, then what is the next step, I don't just email the doinst.sh script do I? Don't I repackage the whole thing? Sorry, this is the first I've ever done anything like this so I am at a loss. [16:45] firebird619: actually here's a silly question.... [16:45] BP{k}: Ok, whats that? :) [16:46] firebird619: Have you logged out / back in (or alternatively /etc/profile.d/qt4.sh) *AFTER* you installed stuff? [16:46] check it out, that bug that killed thinkfinger was been fixed http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12301#c13 [16:46] YAY [16:46] heh [16:46] I would also change it to read "( grep -q /usr/lb/qt/lib etc/ld.so.conf && echo ..... )" [16:46] BP{k}: Yes, I logged out and back in after install. [16:46] how about udev? [16:46] slackytude: check this out; udev was working fine [16:46] O_o [16:47] slackytude: udv rules operate on /dev, not /proc entries [16:47] proc? why the hell proc [16:47] so i had to just make usbfs mount with a group id [16:47] firebird619: whgat is the output of `echo $QT4DIR` [16:47] "thinkfinger" sounds oddly obscene - like "stinkfinger" with a lisp, or something ... [16:47] nullboy, I think I told you to check for /dev/biometric ? [16:47] rk4n3: it's a biometric toolset for fingerprint readers [16:47] BP{k}: /usr/lib/qt [16:48] nullboy: haha - I know - its just an interesting choice of name :) [16:48] O_o [16:48] slackytude: that part still wasn't working but i don't need it and can't use it because qemu/kvm is coded to look in /proc [16:48] slackytude: i told them that too [16:48] firebird619: that is much more likely the bug.. [16:48] firebird619: no wait.. forget it.. that IS right [16:49] its not @þ3 [16:49] macavity: :) [16:49] its not QT4LIBDIR [16:49] Vic1ous__ (n=Vic1ous@75-120-141-176.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:49] slackytude: they told me that the proc vs dev entries are slightly different so they hardcoded it to use /proc...which means the only way for me to make it work was to mount /proc's usbfs sections with a "usb" group and add users to the group who need rw for the fingerprint reader [16:50] I got a question for you guys how do you speed up the scrolling speed while scrolling with your mouse? [16:50] so, it should point to /usr/lib/qt/ , as the app is supposed to append the lib/ itself if it wants to find libs, and bin/ for bins, etc [16:50] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) joined ##slackware. [16:50] hello there [16:50] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [16:50] has anyone had a weird behavior from slackware 12.2 when installing it? [16:50] Kenjiro: like making cups of coffee for me? [16:51] (Ie, can you clarify what you mean by "weird") [16:51] Kenjiro: year.. it didnt make coffee for me while it coppied files [16:51] I tried it on a VM, but the install program kindda SKIPPED the networking aprt [16:51] *part [16:51] damn.. /me IS slow today :P [16:51] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Kenjiro: works fine in vms for me [16:51] macavity: perhaps best to either start munching coffee granules or plug in a coffee -iv ;) [16:51] slackytude2: 2008-12-30 13:49:55) nullboy: slackytude: they told me that the proc vs dev entries are slightly different so they hardcoded it to use /proc...which means the only way for me to make it work was to mount /proc's usbfs sections with a "usb" group and add users to the group who need rw for the fingerprint reader [16:51] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:51] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [16:52] Kenjiro: what VM? does the linux kernel have native support for said VMs emulated NIC? [16:52] after installing and rebooting I had to run pkgtool and then choose to run the networking stuff. Only then it asked about hostname, IP, gateway, etc [16:52] macavity: see my last line ;) [16:53] Kenjiro: are you still running it in the VM, or did you reboot to "native mode"? [16:53] I ran it on a VM [16:53] (using VirtualBox) [16:54] ran? [16:54] when get back home I will try installing it on another VM. Or... if I get the chance, will try installing it on a real computer [16:54] slackytude: but thank you for the udev help. I actually understand a lot more about it now after those exercises [16:54] macavity: yes, I am not runing it right now [16:54] nullboy, no sweat, it cleared some of my misunderstandings too [16:54] Razec (n=razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:55] like adding OPTIONS="last_rule" so other rules wont override your settings :P [16:55] hehe [16:55] ok.. that last sentence finally gives me the answer that you are still running it in a VM... [16:55] ;) [16:55] in that case, i rest my case; this is not a driver issue [16:55] there shouldn't be a problem with vbox and slackware at all [16:55] yes/no would have been easier [16:55] macavity: ehehehehe [16:56] yea, I know it shouldn't be a driver issue, since after the install I just rebooted it (the VM) and ran the networking stuff [16:56] well, since I don't have a spare computer at home... I will have to test on another VM just to be sure [16:57] slackware 12.2 works fine under a KVM vm [16:57] i know a few people in here use vbox too [16:57] actually i remember having to do the network settins manually at some point [16:57] I found it to be very strange. I never saw a slackware install do that *LOL* [16:57] that was on 11.0 [16:58] well.. its hardly a critical bug [16:58] I will test that when I can. Then if the problem shows up again i'll let you guys know ;) [16:58] just a small annoyance that will keep noobs away ;-) [16:58] macavity: ahahaha [16:59] perhaps it was a hicup on my install ;) [16:59] i'm testing that usb patch right now [16:59] build build baby [16:59] patch applied clean so that's a good start [17:00] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:01] ok, nice talking to you guys [17:01] see ya [17:02] Kenjiro (n=kenjiro@unaffiliated/kenjiro) left ##slackware. [17:02] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: [17:03] ok.. shower and more coffee.. i cant even read slashdot without err'ing up [17:03] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.219) joined ##slackware. [17:03] hi [17:04] hey [17:04] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:04] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-251.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] arny` (n=arny@79.119.151.38) left irc: "bbl" [17:05] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [17:06] 2.6.28 has 1.21 million camera drivers [17:07] webcam? or digital cameras? [17:07] that pipe smoking camera driver writing dude has been cranking it [17:07] gpsca [17:07] gspca [17:08] now that you mention it, i should try to make my webcam work [17:08] it's supposed to be supported by the gspca driver, but it panicked with 2.6.27 [17:09] did you build it as a module? or embedded? [17:09] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-17-137-102.client.mchsi.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:09] something like that would be better off as a module, that way if it borks it dont take the whole kernel out with it [17:10] module [17:10] if possible, modules are usually a better bet anyway. you can troubleshoot easier with modules but some times you just don't get away with a module and link in [17:10] let me try with 2.6.28, i'll report back in a few minutes... unless i'm trying to recover from a severe system crash :D [17:11] keep a working kernel as a backup [17:11] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [17:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] an old friend gave me an Astatic D104 microphone (a classic to radio entheusists) [17:13] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:13] now it doesn't work, but at least it doesn't crash [17:14] Pig_Pen: is it the amplified mic ? [17:14] yeah, big ol lollipop mic [17:14] Pig_Pen: nice... [17:14] gotta search the dmesg error message in google: [17:14] gspca: usb_submit_urb [0] err -28 [17:14] ohci_hcd 0000:00:03.1: leak ed f50300c0 (#81) state 2 [17:14] crystal/ceramic element [17:14] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [17:15] Pig_Pen: the only thing that sucks abt them is that they sound like crap on newer rigs. something to do with the impedance [17:16] the sound card in my machine is all fucked up [17:16] makes noise with network traffic.. [17:16] lnX\ (n=Suel@nelug/member/lnx) joined ##slackware. [17:16] the way to use those old mics is to turn the power down on the mic all the way, turn the mic gain on the radio about two thirds, then just barely turn the mic power up just a hair [17:16] Pig_Pen: I have one that I use with a Swan-350 [17:16] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "[BX] I see your BitchX is as big as mine!" [17:16] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:16] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [17:16] it works!!! [17:16] you got as swan? [17:17] Pig_Pen: yeah, I inherited it from an old-timer hr in this area. [17:17] and if you move the mouse you can hear it [17:17] i hate it [17:17] Please swipe your finger (successful swipes 1/1, failed swipes: 0)... done. [17:17] Result: Fingerprint does match. [17:17] i have a Yaseu 101EE, it sits in the closet 99% of the time [17:18] nvision (n=hub@p4FC027D7.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] did you see that pic of my radio desk the other day foureyes779 ? [17:20] Action: jkwood has a Swan 250C [17:20] http://imagebin.org/34640 i mostly just listen [17:21] the si-tex is a vhf marine [17:21] lnX\ (n=Suel@nelug/member/lnx) left ##slackware ("Saliendo"). [17:22] bought it for one dollar in a yard sale, did not work, opened the cover and every pin on the audio chip come unsoldered, warmed up the solder joints and added just a touch of solder and it works [17:23] LaggyFedora (n=LaggyFed@75-20-152-19.lightspeed.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "OOOOh, found something better to read." [17:24] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.87.219) left irc: "brb" [17:24] foureyes879 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] Pig_Pen: sri bout that, the laptop seemed to have froze up for some reason [17:25] you know how most radios have the pins on the audio chip bent over on to the board? this one the pins were still sticking straight up, but since each one alread had solder on them i did not take a change on folding em over to the solder pads, so i just touched the corner between the pins & solder pad and bridged the gap and that fixed it [17:25] interesting that the mouse and keyboard freeze, but it is still getting messages from this channel [17:26] you miss that link i posted foureyes879 ? [17:26] the imagebin ? [17:26] yeah [17:26] yep, gt it [17:27] ok, spaghetti is on the table, bbiaf [17:27] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:27] jkwood: the water cooled Susuki? [17:29] Nick change: gewt -> p4ssw0rd [17:29] dowdle (n=dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu) joined ##slackware. [17:30] Pig_Pen: http://imagebin.org/34642 [17:30] p4ssw0rd: damn that name is leet [17:30] Action: macavity giggles [17:30] I'm sure this is an FAQ... but I'm trying to install Slackware into an KVM VM and it installs lilo by default and KVM seems to hate that... and I can't boot. I've even rebooted from the install media telling it to boot the hard drive and re-installed lilo's mbr... but still get the same error. Is there a way to install grub during the install? [17:30] foureyes879: nice collection of rigs [17:30] I pointlessly rgeistered this nick [17:31] Pig_Pen: tnx, it is a real mess right now though. [17:31] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:31] and now you want us to attempt to bruteforce the nickserv passwd? [17:31] Nick change: p4ssw0rd -> gewt [17:31] :P [17:31] i forget if I downlaoded slackware.... [17:32] I also have a set of working Heathkits [17:32] whats a fats US mirror? [17:32] fast* [17:32] and whats the latets ISO? [17:32] gewt: See topic. [17:32] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:32] macavity: The vacuum tube radio. [17:33] Pig_Pen: http://imagebin.org/34643 [17:33] instead of freestanding shelves iwould get some 2x4s and some 3/4 inch plywood and build something that both stands on the floor and is mounted to the wall so it does not tip over, if that metal shelf fell over you could mess up a lot of gear [17:33] what is a very fast mirror? [17:33] why do people insist on making slackware into something its not?\ [17:33] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:33] because they can [17:33] Hmm, slackbook says grub isn't available for Slackware but I think that is outdated info. [17:33] dowdle, its in /extra [17:34] whats google? for 100 alex. [17:34] aceofspades19: If you make it into something... it IS what you made it. [17:34] well a quck fix would be to put some wood screws in to the back of that shelf in to a couple of wall studs [17:34] jkwood: ah, ok.. as you might have guessed there is a 250CC water cooled Susuki that is officially nicknamed The Swan (dunno why.. its bud-ugly) [17:34] Action: BP{k} looks up: man 7 google [17:34] I think I should go to a *buntu forum and say that their distro sucks because it isn't like slackware [17:34] ugghh [17:35] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:35] aceofspades19: Sorry... I'm a slackware newbie (haven't used it since 1995). Can I install stuff from /extra during the install? If not, I guess I could boot the system and install it manually post-install. [17:35] can someone boot foureyes779 for me ? [17:35] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.88.223) joined ##slackware. [17:35] foureyes779: /nickserv ghost [17:35] foureyes879: Learn the ghost thingie [17:35] dowdle: no you can't really install it during boot. (well you can but not automagically). You can boot and install it afterwards. [17:35] aceofspades19: neither we, nor them, want ubuntu to be like slackware.. imagine the sheer amount of idiot users we would have in here if that was the case...... [17:35] SiegeX: ok, tnx [17:36] dowdle: you could I suppose mounth the cd that has the extra directory on it and then cd to the right dir and install it from there ;) [17:36] macavity, it was supposed to be a joke ;) [17:36] aceofspades19: I hope you aren't complaining about ME because I want to use grub. Hey, I'm just trying to get it to boot in the first place. I don't think that is asking too much. I don't know why KVM doesn't like lilo. [17:36] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:36] foureyes779 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:36] dowdle, no, just some idiots on a fourm [17:36] dowdle: yes, once you exit the instaler, / of the host system is in /mnt and the mounted cd/dvd is in /var/cdrom [17:36] forum* [17:36] everybody is a linux noob at some point, I welcome all people to try slackware [17:37] debCarlos (n=carlos@190-76-104-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) joined ##slackware. [17:37] hi [17:37] KVM works fine with lilo [17:37] i use it daily [17:37] dowdle: $ROOT has been exported, so all you gotta do is installpkg from the location of the package [17:37] I don't care if you are a noob, just as long as you don't complain that slackware isn't like ubuntu [17:37] dowdle: ... better check that echo $ROOT says /mnt [17:37] nullboy: Not sure what I did wrong. I haven't learned KVM's command line tools yet and was justing virt-manager. [17:37] dowdle: i have been wrong more than once today ;-) [17:37] foureyes779 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [17:38] I wonder if slackware will boot on my old system....I updated the BIOS.... [17:38] Nick change: foureyes879 -> foureyes779 [17:38] errr justing = just using [17:38] was he complaining that it wasnt like ubuntu, or was he using his only point of reference (ubuntu) to describe a problem he was having? [17:38] two very different things [17:38] dowdle: if ROOT has not been exported you can either do it your self, or call installpkg with -root /mnt for the same effect [17:38] SiegeX, he was actually complaining that it wasn't like ubuntu [17:38] heh [17:38] macavity: better yet, just before hitting the "install" option, goto terminal 2 and see what "mount" says :) [17:38] Pig_Pen: did you see the last pick I sent ? [17:39] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-12.2-is-released-officially-689688/page13.html?posted=1#post3392038 [17:39] Nick change: Guest10117 -> slackid [17:39] alisonken1home: it says /mnt and /var/cdrom (ive had my share of bitching hardware to know) [17:39] Anyone interested in maintaining an OpenVZ OS Template for Slackware? [17:39] macavity: :) [17:39] yeah, i see you have a d104 at the top of the pic you can see the base [17:40] http://imagebin.org/34643 <---see this one ? [17:40] afk, f00d [17:40] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [17:40] yeah [17:40] aceofspades19: is this in regards to that 12.1 review? [17:40] that one you can see the head of that d104 [17:40] Pig_Pen: that one shows the Heathlit radio's [17:41] the xmtr, rcvr and 1KW amp [17:41] foureyes779: nice rig - is that a heathkit I see in there somewhere? [17:41] is that what those big boxes are on the right? [17:41] heathkits were before my time [17:41] alisonken1home: the big radio's on the right side of the pic's are Heathkits [17:41] foureyes879 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:41] SiegeX, an idiot that thinks that the review was completely correct [17:41] that's what I thought :) [17:42] the Apache, Mohawk and Warrior [17:42] post #185 I believe [17:42] there are two people in town that have those Browning Eagles Mach 4 [17:43] i love the way those eagles sound when they key up and it has that half second screech [17:43] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) joined ##slackware. [17:43] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [17:43] good morning [17:43] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:43] yeah, those are cool sounding [17:43] dowdle: http://pastebin.com/m21887588 [17:43] decent starting points [17:44] Pig_Pen: well, gotta run for now. have a good day [17:44] that's what i use to create my build environment VMs with KVM [17:44] _paco_ (n=cem@unaffiliated/paco/x-456320) left irc: Connection timed out [17:44] ok foureyes779 take care 73s [17:44] 73 [17:44] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [17:44] nullboy: why the 64-bit crap ? [17:45] thrice`: that is how kvm's qemu works [17:45] btw i had one typo, fixed here http://pastebin.com/m2211970e [17:45] thrice`: when you build the qemu that KVM provides you get that bin. [17:45] ooh, kvm; gotcha [17:45] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:48] nullboy: I haven't had any trouble with virt-manager with any other distros I've tried so I assumed it was lilo... since it was a boot issue. I don't think your setup does anything differently regarding disk and bootloader... but I did copy paste your recipe. Thanks. [17:48] nullboy: Use any OpenVZ? [17:48] what is OpenVZ? [17:49] nullboy: OS Virtualization... simliar to Linux-VServer... for Linux on Linux virtualization. AKA containers. [17:49] dowdle: not to be a prick but kvm works perfectly fine with lilo, just for the record [17:49] nullboy: aka VPS, or VE. [17:49] nullboy: Ok. My assumption was wrong... or there was something about how virt-manager does it. [17:50] dowdle: i use KVM VMs for building packages in a clean slackware environment and for testing things that i wouldn't dare test on my live system [17:50] nullboy: I just got bootloader error after the install was completed and I rebooted the VM... and even after re-installing lilo's mbr... so I'm not sure what the deal was. [17:50] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.34.136) joined ##slackware. [17:51] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [17:51] nullboy: Not to be an OpenVZ salesman or anything (it's GPLed)... it runs a single kernel on the machine and then groups processes into a container. Containers can be whatever distro you want. We have a Slackware OS Template (distro install media for an OpenVZ Container) but it is a bit outdated. [17:52] dowdle: also, i did this write up about making KVM's virtio block devices work with slackware as a guest. if you ever care about that here's my write up http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/kvm_qemu_virtio_blk_slackware12.2.txt [17:52] vz is virtuozo right? [17:53] nullboy: We have contributed OS Templates for Slackware 10.2, 11.0, and 12.0. I'd like to see a new/updated OS Template for Slackware so we can attract more Slackware users. [17:53] nachox: OpenVZ is based on the underlying technology of Parallels Virtuozzo Containers, yes. [17:53] debCarlos (n=carlos@190-76-104-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) left ##slackware. [17:53] ouch, i smell hack :) [17:53] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:54] OS template? [17:54] nullboy: Thanks, copied and pasted that too. [17:54] ;) [17:54] ccfreak2k: An OS Template is basically distro install media for an OpenVZ container since you can't boot an ISO in a container. [17:54] Oh, it looks like Xen basically. [17:55] xen uses a paravirtual kernel, vz doesnt [17:55] Here's a screencast as an Intro to OpenVZ for anyone who is interested: http://www.montanalinux.org/openvz-brief-intro.html [17:55] Who createddddd these templates dowdle and how are they created? [17:55] vz is more like a solaris zone [17:55] alienBOB: I don't know who created them. [17:56] alienBOB: Correction, they came from http://homaly.dunanet.hu/openvz-slackware/ [17:56] hmm [17:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.200) left irc: "Bye Bye" [17:56] doesn't sound like that setup would be very good for package building. can you correct me on that? [17:57] alienBOB: The OpenVZ wiki has recipes for various distros on how to create an OS Template. I'm not sure if we have a recipe for Slackware or if they guy just did a P2V type migration or what. [17:57] looks like the system is modified [17:57] nullboy: Talking to me? No, it should be fantastic for package building. We have Gentoo OS Templates for example... and Gentoo users love it. [17:57] but hasn't the OS been modified? [17:58] it say on that page that the rc scripts were modified [17:58] nullboy: Some configs usually have to be modified but not really libraries or binaries. [17:58] but then a build that expects certain configs would be wrong [17:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:58] that's the whole point of a build env [17:59] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [17:59] nullboy: I guess the devil is in the details. I don't think there is anything major that would be put off by the minor config changes. To see what those would be, you can look at a OS Template recipe. [17:59] yeah [18:00] i choose clean installs on a VM image because some people have even reported some problems using chroots [18:00] Ah, we do have a Slackware recipe on the wiki so you can get a good idea what changes are needed: http://homaly.dunanet.hu/openvz-slackware/ [18:00] Opps.. bad paste. [18:00] http://wiki.openvz.org/Slackware_template_creation [18:00] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:02] nullboy: I know that is a lot of text but they don't do much to the init system. Just keep console from starting up in inittab, stop klogd from starting because it is unneeded, and one or two other really minor things. [18:03] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:03] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:03] well in all honestly, that is ugly compared to a plain vm [18:03] nullboy: OpenVZ is really a LOT more than a chroot environment and has about 20 or so resource parameters, it's own network, etc. [18:04] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.7.65) joined ##slackware. [18:04] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.34.136) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [18:04] nullboy: Well the process described is how to build an OS Template... kinda like building install media... so that process is always ugly regardless of what distro you are talking about. :) After you have an OS Template to create containers out of, it is really easy and not so ugly. [18:05] i can see using it for VPS but not really ideal for a package build env [18:05] nullboy: Creating a container takes about 30 seconds... and starting up the container after that a couple of seconds more. I did an experiement last weekend to see how many usable containers I could create on a beefy machine and the answer came up 638. [18:06] nullboy: I guess it all depends on what packages you want to build. If you wanted to build a bootloader package, maybe not... since you can't test it out. But a lot of developers use it so they can have a lot of different distros easily... and multiple versions of distros to build and test their software. [18:07] understandable [18:07] i have many VM images on my laptop [18:07] nullboy: I'm not talking about images... I'm talking about concurrently running containers. [18:08] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [18:08] Nick change: Ignacio_ -> nachox [18:08] i know, and i can concurrently run vms too [18:08] nullboy: Which, as you mentioned, would be much more useful for hosting than a single developer. :) [18:08] nullboy: Yeah, but 638? [18:08] not 638 on a laptop [18:09] nullboy: Yeah, the machine in question was a dual, quad-core Xeon with 32GB of RAM. I wrote the experiment up here: http://www.montanalinux.org/openvz-experiment.html [18:09] i totally understand the concept behind the VZ thing but since the guest OS has been changed from stock install status, however little those changes are, it can't really be considered a stock and clean system in my book [18:09] nullboy: I actually destroyed 38 of the containers so I'd have a round 600 running... and they have been running now for about a week and a half. That's over 15,000 processes which I was suprised Linux could handle easily. [18:09] foureyes879 (n=theron@97-113-181-35.tukw.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] nullboy: Well a regular distro has to be modified for the hardware it is on... so the changes there are more significant (machine dependent) than container changes. But I guess again, a lot of it depends on what exactly you want to do with it. I don't use OpenVZ for everything because there are some things it isn't well suited for and machine / hardware virtualization is better for... and vice versa. I use all of the virt products. Xen, KVM, [18:11] VirtualBox, some VMware... OpenVZ and Linux-VServer. [18:12] Ok, how do I work with these dir names? http://alkos333.pastebin.com/d5f16aeb As you can see, I tried single quotes, but that didn't work. [18:12] nullboy: OpenVZ also has live and offline migration so that is handy. [18:12] the only thing that the VM is doing is loading different drivers. it is not changing init scripts. [18:12] alkos333: I use midnight commander on pesky files/dir names. It'll even show directories and files named spaces. [18:12] i could take a VM image of slackware, dd it down to a disk and boot it on a real system with no issues [18:12] dowdle: Yes, and I always use plain cmd :) [18:13] nullboy: I didn't really say init scripts.. but config files. What modules to load... Xorg config... that kinda stuff. [18:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [18:13] alkos333: At least mc is a commandline tool so no X is required. [18:13] dowdle: it doesn't matter with a VM....if i boot the VM image on real hardware to stock kernel will support just like a real install would have [18:13] True, but I want to know how to deal with this kind of stuff for the future reference [18:13] it's just going to load the proper drivers regardless [18:14] nullboy: I have agreed with you (that containers aren't for everything but neither is hardware / machine virtualization) so I'm not sure what more I can say. [18:14] dios_mio (n=test@88.242.172.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:14] dios_mio (n=fake@88.236.183.115) joined ##slackware. [18:15] nullboy: In many of the "alteration" cases, you don't have to do them if you don't want to... they just stop stuff you don't need or use in a container so I guess you could skip them if you wanted. [18:15] dowdle: i totally understand where the project is coming from though. There have bene serious issues in the past about building packages for public use on non-sterile systems [18:15] especially things that expect stock init scripts and libs [18:16] nullboy: It sounds like you might be looking at it from one very specific point of view and you may be correct. I think you'd have to concock one hairy scenerio where it would matter though... but I guess you could. [18:16] it has happened [18:17] i'm not arguing that thr VZ stuff sucks or something, real hardware, VMs, and VZ all have their places [18:17] nullboy: I'm not sure how commenting out the startup of klogd could break things but who knows. [18:17] dowdle: the point is that after doing that it is not stock anymore [18:17] nullboy: Any change to any config would make it not stock. [18:18] which is exactly why i use VMs [18:18] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-0358ff7278c326e3) left irc: "Leaving" [18:18] nullboy: For a distro developer it would definitely matter but not for most anyone else developing software for a distro. [18:18] instlal the guest OS, boot it, scp your build dir into the system and start building. no configs are at all altered [18:20] keeping an untouched clean install image is the best way to build packages and then test them. you build on an untouched image, then test installing on an untouched image [18:20] nullboy: I think we are talking apples and oranges as they say... but each machine would have their own ssh keys. A unique hostname, etc. Configs are different. :P~ [18:20] what does this mean? :P~ [18:20] i see this has broken down to silliness so i'm done [18:21] nullboy: But like I said... the changes made to a container are so minor... that again.. you'd really have to concoct a weird scenerio. If you examine the changes, you'll see... but because those scenerios theretically exist, you are correct. [18:21] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-aa569c67c6bd20a9) joined ##slackware. [18:21] nullboy: I try to keep a sense of humor... but yes that is a face giving a raspberry. [18:23] nullboy: To clarify, an OS Template is highly modified in the fact that the packages that are installed by default are usually stripped down from the stock install of a distro... so I'd imagine that'd have more bearing that some minor config changes. [18:23] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:24] nullboy: And since there is only one kernel for all containers... and distros run different kernel versions... that's another big difference. [18:25] nullboy: But I'm glad you do see they are useful for some purposes so I'll quit hounding you now. :) [18:25] like i said before, it understand using VZ for VPS but not for a clean build env [18:25] nullboy: Yep, it's only 99.99% clean. :( [18:27] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:28] nullboy: Thanks for the info on KVM. [18:28] np [18:32] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.7.65) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] hello [18:32] i just got a new fast 300 gig hdd, and i'm still debating how i should partition it [18:33] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] so far i'm thinking 60 gigs for windows, 40 gigs for /, and the rest for /home [18:34] 40 gigs is quite alot of software o.O [18:34] jescis (n=jescis@adsl-074-182-032-098.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] ya [18:34] 40gb for / & a seperate home? 40 is around 8 slackware installations :p [18:34] i'd rather have too large of a partition than too small [18:35] ok [18:35] Action: thrice` has 10 gb for / and 65 for /home [18:35] 20 gigs for / [18:35] i have an 8gb / [18:36] 20 should be safe [18:36] acttually 7.8 [18:36] and 2.2 swap [18:36] atm i have a 640 gig hdd [18:36] Fenix-Dark: Use LVM and you can resize later if needs/desires change? [18:36] i made a 40 gig /home partition and the rest is for /stuff [18:36] i'm regretting the small /home partition now [18:37] when in doubts, games and such can go to /home too :> [18:37] doubt* [18:37] sberla54_ (i=1000@62-101-116-145.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [18:37] thrice`, thats the problem [18:37] games went to /home [18:37] along with wine/steam games [18:37] so i ran out of space [18:37] lol [18:38] if that's the case, there is no need for a large / [18:38] yea [18:38] that settles it [18:38] Fenix-Dark: Or you could always make it one big partition (with swap separate of course) [18:39] dowdle, that makes a hassle when i need to reformat [18:39] i like having a separate /home and /stuff [18:39] indeed :> [18:39] Fenix-Dark: That's why someone made rsync. [18:39] Fenix-Dark: But the other side of the coin is LVM... or anything else that allows for easy resize. [18:40] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-76-170-19-19.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:41] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.36) joined ##slackware. [18:42] hopefully not a stuipd question.. but i'm playing around with uml and i want to create my own rootfs. i'm not sure the correct way to do it, but i'm thinking i can install the packages in the ./a/ folder marked as required would give me the files i need. is this correct? [18:43] sherique (n=sheri@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [18:45] why do I get a permission denied when in kde trying to access my floppy drive? [18:45] lando (n=lando@c-75-74-143-33.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] jescis: Check perms on the floppy device in question. [18:46] mdeanda: Now I know someone using UML. :) [18:46] hehe. [18:47] dowdle: well i'm still trying to. the rootfs's i've downloaded work well but now i want to make my own [18:47] mdeanda: You just missed a bit of discussion about KVM and OpenVZ. [18:47] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:48] dowdle: speaking of kvm... does that run inside of qemu? or was i "using" it wrong? [18:49] KVM is ued by qemu to access the hardware abilities via the KVM modules [18:49] mdeanda: It is my understanding that KVM uses many of the qemu tools but it isn't really inside of qemu. KVM is a hypervisor built into Linux with two modules, one for Intel and another for AMD... that use the hardware support for virtualization in the CPU. [18:50] dowdle, it was rw-r----- and I chmoded it to rw-rw-rw- [18:50] mdeanda: the KVM project ships a modified version of qemu that is able to utilize the KVM stuff [18:51] nullboy: ah ok. then i guess i did it correctly. hehe [18:51] i'm just trying to see which technology i like best.. it looks like there won't be a winner.. since different things work well for different situations [18:52] Supposedly a lot of virt products used qemu in some way. VirtualBox and Parallels Desktop do I believe... or at least that's what I read on Wikipedia. [18:53] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.251.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:53] does qemu allow sharing a filesystem across many running vm's? and saves changes to a separate file? [18:54] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:54] Nick change: FriedBob_ -> FriedBob [18:54] mdeanda: Not typically. Perhaps you could use a common NFS share but other than that, most users use a disk image file... or separate partitions. [18:55] mdeanda: qemu support copy on write files [18:55] ahh.. did a search for copy on write just after i asked.. and duh.. that's what "cow" means.. hehe [18:55] mdeanda: Linux-VServer has that sort of thing... called "unification" where files are common files are pooled among containers with hardlinks. It uses CoW too. Virtuozzo has that. OpenVZ does not. [18:56] i thought it was more literal.. like "oh this file will be as big as a cow" [18:56] nullboy: How does KVM/qemu use CoW? Do they have a pooled file system type feature? [18:57] create a base image. create a qcow image from the base. boot the VM using the qcow as the image file [18:57] then later you can commit the qcow image to the base [18:57] nullboy: Wow. Didn't know that. [18:58] nullboy: I did read that the KVM developers were working on a feature where the kernel could detect multiple copies of the same library/libraries across multiple VMs and have a CoW system for those so only one copy would need to be in memory... but that violates some VMware patent... so they aren't sure where to go with it yet. [19:00] i'd hope they implement that as an option too because the violates a lot of things [19:01] there are many times when i have multiple VMs running for the specific reason of working with the same libs compiled with different options [19:02] nullboy: i'd hope that they use more than just the name of the library before considering it the same... [19:03] dvb697 (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] nullboy: http://lwn.net/Articles/309155/ (article on LSM) [19:04] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.46.36) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:04] can anyone connect to gmail? [19:05] mdeanda: I would assume they'd use something like a sha1 fingerprint. [19:05] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:05] Nick change: dvb697 -> Politics [19:05] sahko: yes [19:05] sahko: yeah [19:06] ok its only me then [19:06] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:06] Firefox has detected that the server is redirecting the request for this address in a way that will never complete. [19:06] sahko: Using a web proxy/cache of some sort? [19:08] no i stopped the tab loading when logging out. ah works now. had to delete all google related cookis [19:08] souljas (n=tony@147.sub-75-202-27.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [19:10] nvision (n=hub@p4FC027D7.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.192) joined ##slackware. [19:11] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@86-42-158-10-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-24-14-21-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] 250 small earthquakes that have occurred in Yellowstone National Park since Friday, [19:12] Pig_Pen: I hope they stay small.... I live in Montana. There is a caldera there that if it blows it could take out most of the midwest... but they say it'll be tens of thousands of years before that happens... knock on wood. [19:12] yellowstone is a supervolcano, if that thing blows with full force the human race is doomed [19:12] wilbyj (n=wilby@cpe-69-205-246-93.stny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:13] Pig_Pen: We can only hope. [19:13] Tidus (n=tidus@unaffiliated/tidus) joined ##slackware. [19:13] i would rather die quickly at ground zero than choke on ash for a few days and die slowly [19:13] Pig_Pen: Sounds like a reason to have a party. :) [19:14] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.152.227) joined ##slackware. [19:14] i live in oklahoma, far away enough that the inital blast wont kill me, but the fallout would be here in less than a day [19:15] what part of montana? [19:15] southwest? [19:16] Pig_Pen: Bozeman area. [19:16] i bet winters are cold up there [19:17] pyther (n=pyther@unaffiliated/pyther) joined ##slackware. [19:17] Hello [19:17] Where do console fonts get stored? [19:17] Pig_Pen: Can be at times although it hasn't been really cold here since about 1989... when it got -50F (not counting wind chill). The coldest we've had lately has only been about -20F... but it only stays that cold (as a low temp) for a few days at a time. I was born in the South (TN) but oddly I enjoy cold weather more than hot weather. [19:18] interesting KSM article dowdle [19:18] whow! you are just a few miles over the state line from yellowstone [19:19] my favorite thing about winter is no bugs, [19:19] Pig_Pen: mine too [19:19] D-m0nj0 (n=ocx32@63.218.35.90) joined ##slackware. [19:20] > i have a service running on port 4567 i need to connect from my pc to a proxy and from that proxy connect to port 4567 do you know any proxy product that has this flexibility/ [19:20] i dont want to use port 80 [19:20] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.204.17) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Hi! [19:20] pyther: usr/share/kbd/consolefonts [19:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [19:20] pyther, i am pretty sure console fonts are in /usr/share/kbd [19:20] yeah, ditto :) [19:20] nullboy: Eventually containers (which I think will be named Linux Native Containers or LXC) will be part of the mainline kernel so we will have the best of both works in stock Linux. Proxmox VE currently offers KVM and OpenVZ together in a bare-metal distro (based on a slimmed down Debian) with a really nice web-based management system. [19:21] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:22] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:22] fuzzix (n=fuzzix@86-42-155-215-dynamic.b-ras1.bbh.dublin.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:23] Nick change: Tidus -> Kimahri [19:24] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [19:24] I need a driver for my Gforce 4800 SE. Both the nvidia 96.43.05 and 96.43.07 driver installers cannot compile a module for me. [19:24] Nick change: Kimahri -> Tidus [19:24] Tirili: Vesa? [19:24] 96.43.05 used to work with Slackware 12.1. Now I am at 12.2. [19:24] D-m0nj0 (n=ocx32@63.218.35.90) left ##slackware. [19:25] Tirili: Stock nvidia doesn't work? Or you are looking for that accellerated video experience? [19:25] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:25] sberla54__ (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:25] Tirili: try either the beta versions of the same driver or look for a patch that you can apply to the nvidia driver via the package swtiches [19:26] I don't know anything about drivers. :/ What is vesa? I want to be able to play games and such things. [19:26] Tirili: It is a generic driver that should work with everything but have limited capabilities. [19:26] Tirili: i think that 4800 should be able to use that latest driver [19:26] Tirili: I don't think the problem is Slackware specific... but probably kernel version specific. [19:27] ok. The 177 tells me, that I should use a 96.43.xx with the Ti 4800. [19:27] Tirili: 177 and 96 are different series [19:27] *that I must use [19:27] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.204.17) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.2 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [19:27] hmm, ok, my bad [19:28] you need the beta version of the 96 series or a patch [19:28] do you have the kernel source installed to /usr/src? [19:28] zounds (n=zounds@90-230-133-38-no68.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:29] the nvidia driver needs the kernel source as a refrence to build a module [19:29] sberla54 (n=sberla54@213-140-16-190.fastres.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Yes, I have a directory named /usr/src/linux here. [19:29] Fenix-Dark (n=scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:29] I just installed Slackware 12.2 FULL. [19:29] ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/96.43.09/ [19:29] Thank you! [19:30] did you run the nvidia run file in the console [19:30] Pig_Pen: it is telling him to use the proper series version [19:30] ok [19:31] i hate school work [19:31] But, nullboy, shall I install both of these .run scripts? [19:31] Tirili: do not try to install that driver while you are in X windows though (as Pig_Pen hinted). you will need to change your xorg.conf file to use "nvidia" instead of "nv" or "vesa" for the driver [19:31] and why i need to learn office 2007 for a networking degree i have no idea [19:33] lotec: because you are going to need to deal with it as an admin [19:33] Ok, I'll only run the second one. [19:34] office does database connections, mail, web connections, you'll get to deal with all that at some point [19:35] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] i know office 2003 but 2007 the buttons all changed. I understand why i need to know it for just this is a huge book to read :D [19:36] Nick change: Mess[i]ah -> Emess [19:37] read the dialog at the end of the install Tirili it will ask you if you want to modify your xorg.conf (say yes) [19:37] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.152.227) left irc: "Saindo" [19:37] hba (n=hba@189.188.151.118) joined ##slackware. [19:37] It seems to work with that 96.43.09 here! :D [19:38] groovy! [19:39] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] hello everyone [19:39] hi [19:39] hi [19:39] anybody else here watch NCIS? [19:40] dive: you alive? [19:40] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.51.61) joined ##slackware. [19:40] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.152.227) joined ##slackware. [19:40] NCIS is the best show on tv [19:40] fluxnuk3r: yes [19:40] there, i happily upgraded the fscin router firmware... [19:40] sberla54_ (i=1000@62-101-116-145.fastres.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:41] fluxnuk3r: I watch it but I'm not proud of that. :) [19:41] lol [19:41] did it say "Upgrade are successful" [19:41] http://hackaday.com/2008/12/30/25c3-hackers-completely-break-ssl-using-200-ps3s/ [19:41] anybody know if the new episode is actually out tonight.. [19:41] 12 I think? [19:41] nachox: firmware on what router? [19:41] fluxnuk3r: There are a number of sites that should be able to tell you. [19:41] nullboy, i had to restore crap to factory defaults [19:42] wrt54g v7 [19:42] what a waste of game consoles, just think of the fps games :( [19:42] Pig_Pen: I was wonder just who was buying the PS3's that have sold. Now I know. [19:42] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:42] dowdle: ever been to the ncis site? its crap. [19:42] fluxnuk3r: Not that site. [19:42] show is great. horrible site [19:42] what firmware u use? tomato? or ? [19:42] i wish i had a ps3 to replace my ps2 [19:43] lando_ (n=lando@c-75-74-143-33.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:43] fluxnuk3r: Sorry.. no new episode tonight... at least not according to wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCIS_episodes#Season_6:_2008-2009 [19:43] uses tomato on a wrt54g v3 just recently [19:44] i got dd-wrt running on both of my wrt54's i got a v1 and a v4 [19:44] i use openwrt [19:44] lando (n=lando@c-75-74-143-33.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:45] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [19:46] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [19:47] fluxnuk3r: besides ncis, house and fringe is my favorites [19:48] i like real things [19:48] souljas: Weeds, Californication, House, The IT Crowd... ummm, I'll stop now. I watch too much TV. [19:49] lol [19:49] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:49] o god not house. anything but house [19:49] lotec: House has been a bit boring lately... but it ain't too bad. [19:49] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) joined ##slackware. [19:51] he does the same thing eveytime. On the New House he saves a kid from a bad fall. or he saves a dieing women from acne [19:51] antoni (n=antoni@178.pool85-53-3.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [19:52] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Arrrr, rehashing me own brain, mate...." [19:52] <3 house... [19:52] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [19:53] nullboy u use the standard antennas on the wrt54? [19:53] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-24-14-21-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:53] nope [19:54] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) joined ##slackware. [19:54] what ones u using. i bought the one from bestbuy the 7dbi and they stink. have not found any better then the originals [19:54] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [19:54] dowdle: thanks. [19:55] i managed to install KDE4, but KNotify says: unable to use Xine Multimedia Backend, Cannot load /usr/lib/kde4/phonon_xine.so (libxine.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) [19:55] fluxnuk3r: I understand. You haven't learned to use teh Interwebs yet. :) [19:55] so I should install xine? [19:55] no [19:55] u need to install phonon_xine.so [19:55] where is it? [19:55] or libxine.so [19:55] internet? [19:56] There was once a program with GUI to choose a keyboard and a mouse for X. Do you know, what it was called? Or is still included to Slackware 12.2? [19:56] www.google.com? [19:56] Tirili: in runlevel 3, it should be something like xorgcfg, xorgconf, xorg(somethi nt) [19:58] I tried xorg and tab completion only shows xorgconfig and xorgsetup, but both don't have a gui. [19:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [19:59] Tirili: mouseconfig [19:59] Tirili: I'm not sure of the version of xorg in Slackware 12.2 but most newer versions do so much work for you that they don't even generate/use an xorg.conf. [19:59] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [19:59] w000t [20:00] nachox? u running the stock antennas on the wrt54? [20:00] lotec: stock ones here [20:00] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [20:00] lotec, yes [20:01] ok cool thanks guys. been looking at the 9dbi ones on ebay there suposed to be good just dont want to waste cash on them [20:01] the best router i have tried is the cradlepoint mbr1000, 100 percent anywhere in my house [20:02] souljas: link?? [20:02] best router I had was an alix x86 board with software I installed [20:02] Action: foureyes779 builds his own WiFi antenna's out of soup can's [20:02] http://www.cradlepoint.com/ [20:02] Action: alisonken1home helps the boss build dish antenna's for 5G boards w/up to 32dB gain [20:03] fourevyes779 i have done that before got a few here but not practical in a house setup [20:04] lotec: i got a good deal on the actual linksys branded upgrade antennas [20:04] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:04] they actually make a nice difference [20:04] lotec: yeah, in tye house you want more of an omni-directional patter. [20:04] I have one out in my ham-shack that is directional, and has a little bit of gain [20:05] souljas: that damn router is 250 bucks [20:05] I can pick up a free WiFi spot abt 2 miles down the road with it though. When i put it up on my 25ft mast... [20:06] what fstab entry do i need to allow any user to mount a device rw in any filesystem (trying to mount an sd flash card /dev/sda1 on /mnt/sd that might be any filesystem)? [20:06] yes, i had dial up and wanted to use my broadband card to share coonection [20:06] fourebyes779 i got one of these. http://www.hyperlinktech.com/productfamily.aspx?id=312 [20:07] wow, 15db of gain [20:08] made one of these also http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/261/1/ [20:08] i want to make a wifi J pole [20:08] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) joined ##slackware. [20:08] looking at the antenna patterns [20:09] actually a yagi would perform better, 6 or 8 elements [20:10] and a yagi for wifi would be small enough to use indoors [20:10] Is there any way to list the contents of any package? [20:10] pkg_info -L? [20:10] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] asarch, look in /var/log/packages each file lists every file for every package [20:11] yagi are nice. i just like the cantenna style ones [20:11] if you're in kde - just take konqueror to the file and open using ark [20:11] Thank you Pig_Pen [20:11] :-) [20:11] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.149.192) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [20:11] if it's installed, then what Pig_Pen said :) [20:11] for that you could just take some wire and tack it to the roof, make as many elements as ya want in a dedicated direction, like your neighbors house... [20:11] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:12] yagi http://www.wlanparts.com/product/VA24-16M/VA2416_16dBi_Vagi_24GHz_Antenna.html [20:12] nooo, i have my own wifi, i dont need to be hitching a ride on someone else's wifi, just to look around the neighborhood to see whats cookin' [20:12] Time to catch a bus. [20:12] or just put one of these outside looks like a tv antenna http://www.wlanparts.com/product/GD24-24P-NM-EZ/24_GHz_24dBi_Grid_parabolic_dish_NMale.html [20:12] dowdle (n=dowdle@scott.coe.montana.edu) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:13] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.152.227) left irc: Connection timed out [20:14] lotec, that looks good, something like that i can put on a bracket between my HF loop and cb antenna with a tv antenna rotor [20:14] aoliveira (n=konversa@20151015024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:14] people will think it is a tv antenna [20:14] yep. i thought about buying one and putting it up outside just for the heck of it. but i really have no reason for it. the cantenna i have i actually use when i am out working [20:16] small enough to be portable, put it on a camera style tripod and park somewhere with a laptop, i can imagine the freeloaders & crackers & hackers having fun with that [20:16] vald0r (n=vald0r@CPE00179a51df0c-CM0012253de50e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:17] yep. i can only imagine how many actually use it for that also. [20:17] i bet they sold thousands [20:17] i actually use mine at work to check the buildings for a wifi signal. best thing i found for the job. that and kismac do wounders. [20:18] kismit? [20:18] new wifi card gets here and ill get a better report i am hoping. i missed a few when i searched. [20:18] or is that a different app [20:18] no kismac. for osx [20:18] ah [20:20] i would use a jpole for cb radio but the dimensions are not practical until you get up to vhf or higher [20:22] lotec: Just get the wifi signal detecting shirt from thinkgeek. [20:22] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) joined ##slackware. [20:22] FriedBob: yea i seen that lol [20:23] Then roam the halls aimlessly and if anyone says anything, you can tell them "Shh, be wery, wery qwiet, I'm hunting wabb, err, wifis." [20:23] lol [20:24] ignored-girl (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [20:24] hi so i manage to get wow to work [20:24] i set winecfg to use oss, now how do i get slackware to use oss too so i can adjust the volume? [20:25] ... [20:25] lol? [20:25] :( i cant use alsa [20:25] antoni (n=antoni@178.pool85-53-3.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Client Quit [20:25] vald0r (n=vald0r@CPE00179a51df0c-CM0012253de50e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:26] Nick change: nullboy -> nullgirl [20:26] will i get more attention this way? [20:26] lmao [20:26] Nick change: ignored-girl -> missyjane [20:26] ive been around [20:26] nullgirl: WHat's your cup size!?!?! [20:26] Nick change: nullgirl -> nullboy [20:26] lol [20:26] i only use ignored-girl cause nobody ever talks to me [20:26] Tom is back? [20:26] missyjane: this isn't a social channel, its a support channel [20:26] no one is SUPPOSED to talk to you [20:26] Get over it [20:27] We could start ##slackwaresocial! [20:27] a support channel with underwire :D [20:27] anyone know how to get oss to work? [20:27] Could someone relay that to him since he has me on ignore? [20:27] can i use strace on already running program? [20:27] missyjane: I don't even have speakers hooked to my system, sonever messed with that. SOrry [20:28] missyjane: you're a boy [20:28] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:28] aoliveira, no im not [20:28] i built wine with alsa support, i have a CW tutor (morse code) that works with alsa under wine, [20:28] aoliveira: lies [20:29] baah attention hoe [20:29] missyjane: a towel? [20:29] aoliveira, no im not [20:29] ditditdit ditditdditdit ditdit dah [20:29] look [20:29] lies [20:29] you're a towel! [20:29] fuck off, i didnt come in stating my gender, that shit is old joke now, can we either get serious or quit acting like a bunch of child? [20:29] WHo cares who is aguy and who is a girl. This is a support channel, not a hookup channel. [20:29] missyjane: you did come in stating gender with "ignored-girl" [20:29] i'm 12 old [20:30] But if anyone is wanting to hookup, I can be anything you ant if the price is right. [20:30] yeah, i am still working on learning cw, i can do just a few letters, i need to get back to putting in an hour a day again before i forget what i lost, all i have is an ancient J38 key [20:30] s/ant/want/ [20:30] aoliveira: lol [20:30] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) left irc: "Leaving" [20:31] missyjane: dont freak out [20:31] aoliveira, its getting annoying [20:31] dont freak at me fatso [20:31] FriedBob i need a GF and i got 2 bucks u interested? [20:31] Pig_Pen: nice, I get alot of enjoyment using them old CW keys. [20:32] lotec: I need the cash up front, and that'll get you 2 minutes of flirting, cause I am feeling generous. [20:32] paypal address [20:32] those straight keys is what takes talent, i think a iambic keyer has got to be easier [20:32] ?? [20:32] Pig_Pen: I do CW most of the time, and some PSK-31 [20:33] my uncle used to be a cw operator in the us navy, and later for the southern pacific railroad, he gave my this j38 [20:33] lotec: PayPal != cash. But I do accep CC. Just PM me the number, expiration date, CVV2, billing address and your mother's maiden name. [20:34] Pig_Pen: sounds like it has a lot of sentimental value then. [20:34] missyjane: what is annoying? [20:34] yeah, lots [20:34] Hm. How can I change my keyboard in xorg without changing having to enter the video settings etc again? xwmconfig lets me choose my keyboard, but after that it asks for my videocard etc, but the nvidia driver installer is supposed to set up the video settings. Isn't there another way than editing config files? I have definitely used a gui xorg setup tool once, where I were able to pick a keyboardmodel by mouse graphically! Whe [20:34] what is its name??? :( [20:34] Pig_Pen: that is one thing I never had, a releative or any sort of Elmer [20:34] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:34] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:34] FriedBob ok but this is my old girlfriends cc number. and i dont know her mothers maiden name. i would guess Ho if i had to though [20:35] funny thing is my uncle never owned a ham radio i guess all that cw he did for the navy and railroad burnt him out on it [20:35] we live in a small community here, and the ham group isnt real tight at all. [20:35] I thought about getting into ham radio. But it's not kosher. [20:35] Tirili: edit xorg.conf? [20:35] lol [20:36] Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week. [20:36] Probably, but where has that gui program gone? [20:36] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.88.223) left irc: "Quit" [20:36] Google knows. [20:36] i would probably just be found on 80 meters chatting with people, i do not have any interest in the cq contests [20:36] Tirili why do you need a gui program for? Scared of cmd line? [20:36] Tirili: to hell were it belongs [20:37] lns40: You'd like my setup then, it sounds like. [20:37] ##slackware: mode change '+b aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [20:37] aoliveira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You are annoying, trolling and ban evading. Stay out for a month. [20:37] lns40: No X installed. [20:37] vim /etc/X11/xorg.conf Tirili [20:37] FriedBob: heh probably :) [20:37] I think, there have been some other functions like mousesensitivity settings aso, too. [20:37] FriedBob: I posted a pic of my station on imagebin http://imagebin.org/34643 [20:37] wow slackboy has his admin hat on [20:38] thank you slackboy [20:38] Editing config files is surely not bad, but I know, that there was such a tool once and I think, it would be just very comfortable. [20:38] FriedBob: nothing against X just that gui config program [20:38] Ahh [20:38] err [20:38] slackboy is a bot [20:38] lol [20:38] so can anyone please tell me how i can get this oss to work? [20:39] straterra u messed it up i had them all fooled [20:39] Only if you change your name back to ignored :O [20:39] straterra: Why couldn't you have told me BEFORE I propositioned him in PM? [20:39] FriedBob: i want the daes [20:39] dates [20:39] missyjane: Slackware uses alsa to emulate oss. If you _need_ oss, you will have to install it [20:39] FriedBob is on it tonight [20:39] good panoramic shot [20:40] alienBOB, ouch thats a pain... [20:40] well i ordered a set of those 9dbi antennas on ebay see how they work [20:40] you have that big heavy power supply on the top shelf with the d104 sitting on it? [20:40] alienBOB, do you have it in your archive? [20:40] slackbuilds doesnt have "oss" [20:40] Last thing I bought on eBay was a new AC adpator for my PowerBook. Still waiting on it to get here. [20:40] i miss ham radio. i just dont have time for it anymore. [20:41] Pig_Pen: what, I have that mic holding the P/S down.....lol [20:41] I hope it gets here soon - I can't use my existing one anymore. [20:41] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.204.17) joined ##slackware. [20:41] missyjane: WHY do you need OSS? [20:41] http://imagebin.org/34640 heres my toys [20:41] straterra: because she is special ? :D [20:41] lns40, im trying to get wow to work [20:41] :) [20:41] missyjane: you will have to rebuild your kernel and enable oss if you need it (and disable alsa) [20:41] s/he/she [20:41] straterra: For the WoW factor. [20:42] alienBOB, wow really? that complicated? [20:42] missyjane: heh ok cool :-) [20:42] World of Warcraft factor?! [20:42] missyjane: why cant you use alsa? [20:42] ZOGM [20:42] ZOMG [20:42] Alsa will work [20:42] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:42] that Drake Receiver is really nice [20:42] alienBOB, i was reading some of the posts where they said oss work better than alsa for wow [20:42] Heya TwinReverb [20:42] err, what? [20:42] missyjane: so you never even tried alsa? [20:42] straterra: that would be my bet but I never used wow under linux so... :) [20:42] hi FriedBob [20:42] Wine uses alsa just fine [20:42] alienBOB, i have, i use it to listen to music and such but this is the first time i ever used wine [20:43] Then just try it..ffs [20:43] Just tell winecfg to use OSS. That is all. No more is needed [20:43] alienBOB: no.. [20:43] Tell wine to use alsa [20:43] alienBOB, hold on a sec or two [20:43] Alsa will take care of the oss emulation [20:43] alsa works FINE [20:43] Action: TwinReverb hates OSS [20:43] Alsa + wine == working [20:43] straterra: not for all computers. [20:43] it looks like i cant use pixel shader or itll crash [20:43] Pig_Pen: you should look into doing PSK-31 on the RCI-2950 [20:43] wine + oss + alsa-OSS emulation == FAIL when alsa is available natively [20:44] I have one where I use oss instead of alsa with wine [20:44] alienBOB: it doesn't matter what kind of computer [20:44] Have it your way [20:44] Alsa will be fine yes [20:44] Unless of course..you can't get dmix working..which I don't see why you wouldn't be able to [20:44] Alsa will emulate OSS yes [20:44] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:44] Pig_Pen: you could use either gMFSK or Fldigi and couple it up real nicely to the Ranger [20:44] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:44] straterra: Wetware errors is one good reason. [20:44] But using OSS emulation when you could just use alsa seems..silly [20:44] But some apps will not be able to use alsa but know how to use oss [20:45] straterra: so we are silly and you are not. [20:45] I am fine with that [20:45] No, I'm not. [20:45] I don't use old, deprecated sound layers :) [20:45] alienBOB: He didn't call anyone silly. He said that act seemed silly. [20:45] FriedBob: I see exactly what he typed [20:45] Regardless, WoW works fine with Alsa [20:46] Everything I have ever ran using Wine runs fine with Alsa [20:46] psk-31? hmm, got a link with info on that? [20:46] From CS 1.6 to Doom to eve online..to WoW [20:47] Pig_Pen: no, not on this computer. it is a real popular mode though, so Google should give you millions opf pages to look at [20:47] alienBOB, but you need to question why those applications can't use alsa but can use oss [20:47] if it's because they're lazy and don't want to take the time to migrate, too bad [20:47] http://aintel.bi.ehu.es/psk31.html googled it [20:47] TwinReverb: well..this is wine [20:47] (at least as far as linux apps are concerned) [20:47] it has nothing to do with the apps [20:47] Wine handles that [20:47] Action: TwinReverb shrugs [20:48] i think i may have accidentally forked the conversation [20:48] The apps dont know of OSS or Alsa [20:48] mdeanda (n=mdeanda@cpe-76-170-19-19.socal.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("[part message goes here]"). [20:48] soo... i need some hardware to go between my PC and the 2950? [20:48] nevertheless, i still think that OSS emulation is retarded (personally) [20:48] hm the only problem i have now is getting the resolution to work [20:48] Matthew_Murdock (n=user@93.86.204.17) left irc: "gone" [20:48] Pig_Pen: very simple hardware [20:48] how does the resolution "not work" ? [20:48] as far as native linux apps go, either revamp to use alsa like you've been asked for the last couple years, or i'm not going to bother running your software [20:49] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-24-14-21-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] Pig_Pen: it is really simple to make the interface really. the hardest part would be connecting it to the Mic input on the radio [20:49] Hi. Can someone tell me what I have to install to watch flv files? [20:49] http://freshmeat.net/projects/kpsk/ and a kde front end :D [20:49] snowdonkey: mplayer [20:50] Pig_Pen: I just used my computer speakers and held the mic up to them when I first got into it, and made a lot of contacts that way as well [20:50] i would just get a new mic plug and make an interface if it is simple enough [20:50] alienBOB, i can actually use both now, it turns out, for some reason, i can try one at a time (selecting just oss then alsa) neither work but when i have both of them selected, i hear sound [20:50] lns40: Ok, do I have to install MPlayer for other players to be able to view flv files? [20:51] selected..how? Where? [20:51] snowdonkey: no, mplayer is a player [20:51] flv files are usually just avis with some codec, xine might play the ones you want [20:52] flv are flash video o.O [20:52] yup [20:52] many are just avi container though [20:52] god I hate xine :P [20:52] dTd: Every player on my comp including Xine and Kaffeine say they don't support the codec used in the file. [20:52] snowdonkey: does it list the codec? [20:53] run it from a term, xine filename [20:53] dtd: No, doesn't list. I'll try running from terminal. [20:53] snowdonkey: either download the win32 codec pack from mplayerhq.hu (they will work with xine too) or download VLC, or ffmpeg, to play .flv [20:53] or that ;) [20:54] alienBOB: Ok, I'll try to get the codecs from that site. When I tried from the terminal the same error dialog came up with no info in the terminal. [20:54] "Video Codec: Unavailable (0x0) [20:55] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [20:55] YES I FIXED IT :d [20:55] :D basically opengl [20:55] Action: nachox removes the caps lock key from missyjane keyboard :P [20:55] remove the operator from the keyboard [20:57] hehe [20:57] heh [20:57] PEBKAC... [20:57] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [20:58] so all i would need is some psk31 decoding software, run the external speaker wire to the line in on the PC, and an interface from line out to the audio in where the microphone goes foureyes779 ??? [20:58] wow i actually get 70fps+ [20:59] Pig_Pen: you could patch the sound out of the radio into the Mic or Line input on your computer and monitor the activity also [20:59] try listening around 14.070 during the daytime [20:59] or 7.070 at night [20:59] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:59] i will have to look in to this, i like low power, amps set off my fire alarm so i have to run a barefoot radio, and this should carry further than phone/voice (even ssb) [21:00] and use the software to decode the signals [21:00] thanks so much alienBOB :) [21:00] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: "sleep" [21:00] Pig_Pen: it is real close to CW as far as receiving goes. [21:00] it is a lot of fun [21:01] when the CX is rolling on 11 meters i can talk all over the world with that radio without a foot warmer [21:01] dx* [21:01] night all, im off to sleep [21:01] on ssb that is [21:01] Pig_Pen: you would really want to isolate the pc and radio [21:01] http://www.geocities.com/n2uhc/interface.html [21:01] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [21:01] missyjane: you're welcome [21:02] Pig_Pen: 11M is where I got started DX'inx. I hadn't heard abt ham radio until i was in my 30's [21:02] http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/12/12/addonics-55-adapter-turns-any-usb-drive-into-a-nas/ [21:02] heh [21:02] I still prefer 10M when it's open. In a few more years we should start getting some great openings again [21:02] i would imagine i would want to isolate the audio levels, it could be real easy to overdrive audio amps & chips [21:02] hi, where i can find foomatic-ppdfile in 12.2? [21:03] nullboy, then get the one that makes any ethernet a wireless device and you're set lol [21:03] then take it to defcon and come back and look at all the interesting random things it has on it lol [21:03] thats perfect, simple and too the point, thanks for the link XGizzmo_ [21:03] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:04] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.133.251.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [21:04] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [21:04] err i thought mplayer was included in slack :/ [21:04] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:04] Hi. My flv files have sound but the videos are blank. I installed the MPlayer codecs to /usr/lib/codecs and linked them to /usr/lib/win32. [21:05] stitchman: nope, still a compile job [21:05] stitchman, i think either alienbob or rworkman's websites have the packages for it though [21:05] http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=455 [21:05] that's not a bad article [21:05] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:06] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.51.61) left irc: "Leaving" [21:06] snowdonkey: fun! [21:06] I have packages for MPlayer ffmpeg and VLC stitchman [21:07] lns40: Suggestions? :) [21:07] snowdonkey: I already did suggest mplayer :] [21:07] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [21:07] lns40: I don't like the MPlayer gui at all. I know it's possible to use the MPlayer codecs with other players. [21:08] snowdonkey: I dont use a gui when I use mplayer [21:09] snowdonkey: someplace where you have such a .flv file linked publicly? [21:10] Just downloaded a youtube movie as .flv and ffplay plays it just fine [21:10] alienbob: No, I don't have a public flv file. I'll see if ffplay works for me. [21:10] vlc played it as well [21:11] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [21:19] snowdonkey: ffplay is cmd line too :P [21:20] what is the name of the program you use to take screenshots from a command line ? [21:20] foureyes779: not of X ? [21:21] But ffplay opens a graphical window if you start it in a terminal window lns40... [21:21] foureyes779: import [21:21] alienBOB: so does mplayer... [21:23] yeah, for taking screenshots of X from a CLI [21:24] foureyes779: yeah import will do [21:24] lns40: alienBOB: tnx [21:25] I want to take a screenshot of my ratPoison desktop [21:25] snowdonkey (n=bennett@c-24-14-21-31.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:25] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:26] cat /dev/screen > screenshot.png [21:26] :) [21:27] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:27] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [21:27] hba., seriously? [21:29] hba: I dont have a /dev/screen [21:30] or just scrot [21:30] sahko: yeah scrot is nice [21:30] import -w root screenshot.png [21:32] haha :) nah.. /dev/screen does not exist [21:32] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [21:33] What about screenshotting in console? [21:33] but since "everything is a file" in unix/linux, well /dev/screen would be your screen, a file.. so you just could read from it ;) [21:34] _S4MUR4I_ (n=_S4MUR4I@189.81.233.7) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-082-128-097.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [21:36] http://blogs.koolwal.net/2008/12/30/howto-take-screenshots-in-linux-console-and-x-window-system/ [21:37] Everything isn't a file :P [21:38] yeah that's a misconstrued rumor [21:38] most things act like files but there are pipes and sockets and things like that [21:38] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [21:38] nullboy: Which you can read and write to more or less like a file. [21:39] which is why i just said "act like files" [21:39] I'd say it's more of an oversimplification. [21:39] ... [21:40] on the coattails of a dead she rides! [21:40] nullboy: Just playing CaptObviousman's role since he seems idle. [21:40] is /dev/null a file? i think it is more of a pseudo file than an actual file...aka like a file [21:40] http://imagebin.org/34656 basic desktop. no thrill's, no frills [21:40] can be used *like* a file [21:40] /dev/zero ! [21:41] dios_mio: tnx fr the tip [21:41] foureyes779, welcome [21:42] OT, but any gaphics people around? I need some help/advice on a project. [21:42] wilbyj (n=wilby@cpe-69-205-246-93.stny.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:44] aereinha (n=aereinha@76.84.191.84) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] _S4MUR4I_ (n=_S4MUR4I@189.81.233.7) left irc: "Leaving" [21:49] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.233.7) joined ##slackware. [21:51] juice_ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] rworkman here? [21:51] he was at one time :) [21:51] no he is over here--------------------> [21:51] whacha working on FriedBob ? [21:51] if he was up your butt you'd know [21:52] Dominian: Not from what I've heard. [21:52] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:52] hahahahaha [21:52] lol [21:52] Dominian: depends if there a gaper [21:52] straterra comes to mind with that comment [21:52] I'm quite thick..a good gaper [21:52] Pig_Pen: A little logo/coat of arms. [21:52] alisonken1home: u konw this because????? [21:53] lotec: how long have you been hanging around this channel? [21:53] and you want a shield shape thing with a transparent background? [21:53] anyone know how I can update lilo in a .img file? [21:53] about 11 hours today [21:53] lotec: noobfarm.org search for straterra.. hide your children [21:53] http://tinyurl.com/82gcsu [21:53] Dominian yea i know lol i seen all of them [21:54] Pig_Pen: I need to redo that, but from scratch instead of using an image as a base. [21:54] heh [21:54] and don't let the significant other read over your shoulder [21:54] Pig_Pen: Not really sure how to do the arms, but have the rest down I think [21:54] juice_: loop mount it? [21:55] use [pxe|sys]linux on the image? [21:55] layers with transparent backgrounds, you can add stuff without differing colors conflictings [21:55] I have it mounted [21:55] but if I update mbr then I ger errors [21:55] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:56] Pig_Pen: That doesn't help with shaping the arms, and making them all match in size and shape like I need. [21:57] scale them down is easy, if you scale an image up too much it gets pixelated and blurry looking [21:57] repsol (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] gbelknap (n=gbelknap@c-71-206-230-131.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:58] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:58] repsol (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] how big is this coat of arms thingy? [21:59] w4lk (n=chatzill@cpe-024-031-104-201.sc.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [22:00] http://imagebin.org/34657 me after too much morse code [22:00] you have an iambic key, i bet those make cw a pleasure [22:01] souljas (n=tony@147.sub-75-202-27.myvzw.com) left irc: "leaving" [22:01] man some of this noobfarm stuff makes me laugh so damn hard. i try to go on here onced a month to catch up but i allways forget [22:01] yeah, the guy that setup the tent had everytning computer controlled, until i whined abt needing a CW key [22:02] juice_: that's because it's a file, not a drive - there are some other options that have to be done before you can lilo an image file [22:02] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:02] that pic was taken out at the local park. we set up a tent a did morse code for 24 hours [22:02] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [22:03] weirdos [22:03] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhsSgcsTMd4 foureyes779 [22:03] Action: CaptObviousman is most def not idle, demmit [22:04] I'm only like 24 minutes late [22:04] then what are you doing here? :P [22:04] CaptObviousman: are you still here ? :D [22:05] wut? [22:05] sherique (n=sheri@207.193.28.210) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:05] hehe [22:06] Action: CaptObviousman pretends to know whats going on [22:06] oh yeah, I totally got that taken care of. No need to worry [22:09] Hi all, got a problem trying to config a webcam in linux. I've pastebinned my error here, with the question at the very bottom: http://pastebin.com/m166664d6 [22:11] I'm looking in the Makefile but I don't see a semaphore.h anywhere, so I guess it's not that file [22:11] gspca_core.c:#include <---ah [22:12] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Stroker (n=Sofaking@160-129.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:13] if I edit the gspca_core.c file and edit the line #include should I edit it to the full path for my kernel? [22:13] briareus: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gspcav1/ [22:13] ... [22:14] i am using slackpkg [22:14] briareus: is there a reason for using an excternal package dated 2007 when you have 2.6.28? [22:14] hba: ? dayam I searched for gsspca and didn't have a hit at slackbuilds [22:14] external* [22:14] i did slackpkg install irssi [22:14] juice_ (i=juice@ice-cold.net) left irc: "BitchX: to the rescue!" [22:14] nullboy: that's why ^ I must have typo the search or something [22:14] and it says there is no package known a sirssi [22:14] so I went hunting for it [22:14] did I do soemthign wrong? [22:14] gewt: slackpkg is not for thirdparty software [22:15] oh [22:15] gewt you want debian [22:15] I'm used to debian :P [22:15] :) [22:15] i wanted to try slackware :) [22:15] hba: I don't get it, I searched on the mirror first, then slackbuilds. I got a no hitter [22:15] but thanks :) [22:16] gewt: irssi is part of slackware. [22:16] fun [22:16] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:16] nullboy: by the way, that 2007 is the one in use [22:16] briareus: but why is there a need to install external gspca stuff dated 2007? [22:16] Pig_Pen: 240x180 I think. I'm going to do it as a vector in the Gimp, and then scale it down. I want to use it in a few different places. [22:17] nullboy: I just said why, I ran a search at the slackware mirror first and got no results [22:17] 2.6.28 has a lot of gpsca built in [22:17] so I went and found it from its source [22:17] Pig_Pen: I know how to do everything I need to do for this, EXCEPT making the arms of the triskele [22:17] nullboy: well, the documentation I have been looking for doesnt say that [22:17] nullboy: you are the first I heard that .28 has anything for it [22:18] where is the default apache document roto? [22:18] nullboy: I've been reading pages this afternoon about this gspca and haven't heard that yet, so thanks. [22:19] FriedBob: sometimes i found i would do some stuff in gimp, then iwould switch to kde's paint tool, and kiconedit, dont stick to one app, and always keep a good copy of your graphics file in case of an irreverable mistake is made [22:19] renew (n=renew@ppp-68-122-73-92.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:19] hm [22:19] ah yeah, cool [22:19] Pig_Pen: GIMP on Windows, FriedServer doesn't run X [22:20] since you have windows, try to get a ripped copy of photoshop [22:21] gewt: grep '^DocumentRoot' /etc/httpd/httpd.conf [22:21] I don't run pirated apps. I buy want I can, and freeware for the rest. [22:21] s/want/what/ [22:21] lies!!!! [22:21] :S [22:21] i need to enable php manually [22:21] briareus: CONFIG_USB_GSPCA and in there live a good amount of driver [22:21] drivers [22:21] nullboy: yeah I just the whole spca5** [22:22] cool [22:22] anotherperson (n=notthatp@c-24-22-59-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:22] nullboy: thanks, I had no idea that was in the .28 [22:22] gewt: ahahaha, in slackware you need to do a lot of stuff manually :) - welcome to slackware! [22:22] 22 22 * * * /home/lotec/tmp/* > /home/lotec/sleep >/dev/null [22:22] heh [22:22] DO I need to install the php module? [22:22] gewt: if you don't know, yes [22:23] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:25] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "Happy New Year to All!!!" [22:25] Pig_Pen: What's your thoughts on the one I showed? It's suppsed to be bloodsplattered gold. [22:25] FriedBob: someone you know buy a flatbed scanner or digital camera? sometimes photoshop-lite gets bundled with it, [22:25] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] let me scroll up and find your link [22:26] I have some professional graphics guy friends, I may be able to get an older version off of one of them [22:26] hmm well I know not to use rapidSSL anytime soon at least until they change the hash algrothim they use [22:27] kitche: hahaha [22:27] yeah, thats what i mean, dont get anything from piratebay for windows, your bound to get a trojan or virus [22:27] ps3 FTW [22:27] i dont see your link FriedBob [22:28] nullboy: works with 5 Telsa boards as well [22:28] wow awesome [22:28] http://tinyurl.com/82gcsu [22:28] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:28] This is the first one I did, before I knew the 240x180 requirement for the primary use. [22:28] kitche, just don't use certs signed with MD5. Problem solved. [22:28] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [22:30] it looks like a good start, i bet with photoshop you can polish it up [22:33] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] hmm, CTRL+ALT+F1 doesnt work... [22:34] Try alt-ctrl-F1 then. ;) [22:35] are you running fedora? [22:35] FriedBob, i saved a copy, if i can improve it i will post a copy for you, i have photoshop running under wine on another PC so i will see what i can do with it [22:36] maybe i can shine it up [22:36] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:37] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello to the channel [22:37] hello [22:37] work starts early, laters everyone [22:38] (##slackware) Channel ban on aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br expired. [22:38] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:38] ##slackware: mode change '-b aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:38] HEya Old_Fogie [22:38] :)] [22:39] finally... loading slack 12.2 on dev box 1 tonight [22:39] had to do major house cleaning to get room on the pooter to do, I think I have 'post partition depression' :) [22:40] let the race to get gnome on 12.2 begin, heh [22:42] hba: what version glib is in 12.2? [22:42] sorry, anyone [22:42] or in 12.1 for that matter [22:42] 1.2.10 [22:43] see section l on mirror for that one I s'pose [22:43] is there a glib-2.0 ? I'm seeing this error at a configure: [22:43] Requested 'glib-2.0 >= 2.16.0' but version of GLib is 2.14.6 [22:43] yup slack has the "glib2" package, you asked 'glib' [22:44] sorry didn't realize the diff [22:44] yea 2 glib* are shipped [22:45] what version of slack are you on briareus ? [22:45] 12.1 [22:45] so I have to go up to get that [22:45] since the version of glib2 in the mirrors is 2.14.6 [22:46] bummer [22:46] I'll find an older version of the software :) [22:47] briareus, contrary to what many here may say I think glib2 is a very invasive upgrade, I *had* to get 2.16.X on slack 12.1 for gnome. Slack 12.2 comes with glib2-2.16.X series [22:47] hmm, I'll have to go too far back in the software versions. it seems if I want my webcam to work with certain apps, I will need to go to 12.2 which I need to do anyway [22:47] briareus, but iirc gware should have packages made for you and ready to go if need be [22:47] gware? [22:48] which google? [22:48] :) [22:48] gnome for slack heh [22:48] gsb [22:48] I would use gsb [22:48] although gware seems to have updated.. since the last I tried it [22:49] Action: Old_Fogie points to the gsb/gware replace glib depends/conflicts point of mention he made ealier [22:49] aha! [22:49] gware has changed [22:49] Old_Fogie: Oh no doubt [22:49] interesting [22:49] it appears gware builds against the existing releases [22:49] scubacuda (n=chatzill@22.sub-75-214-4.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [22:49] without replacing anything [22:49] very nice [22:50] briareus, at the time, it appeared gware replaced many (not all of what I would have) stuff that glib2 ties/hooks to and since they're more slackware like for the scripts I recommend them, but that's one old foo's take on it [22:50] Old_Fogie: I thought you were an old fogie, not an old fool? [22:50] but I've heard people happy with gsb too, so pick your poison and run with it [22:50] FriedBob, :) [22:51] dropline never released tho for 12.1 tho, not sure what's going on there, or if they're going for 12.2 or not /what gives [22:51] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:51] Maybe dropline dropped more than just the line? [22:52] bah-doomp-doomp [22:52] I'll be here all weeks, folks. [22:52] Action: gm152 tries the veal. [22:52] I wouldn't tonight. [22:53] That bad, huh? [22:53] It's OK, if you don't mind it mooing when you stick a fork in it. [22:53] Action: gm152 laughs. [22:53] anotherperson (n=notthatp@c-24-22-59-84.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:53] 'veal' makes 'moo' sounds, now that I'd like to see given it's an entirely diff animal :) [22:54] giuppy (n=giuppy@host27-162-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:54] Veal is baby cow IIRC? [22:54] giuppy (n=giuppy@host27-162-dynamic.6-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [22:54] Hmmm, this box doesn't pass the grade for VBox. [22:55] Veal? I never did discover where veal comes from. [22:56] veal is baby cow [22:56] veal is the meat of calves, typically male dairy calves. [22:56] "Veal is the meat produced from very young cattle -- most commonly male calves from dairy herds." [22:56] i've nevr had it myself [22:56] Ah, ok, thanks. [22:56] rk4n3: You can wikipedia too. :) [22:56] FriedBob: damn, you type fast [22:56] :) [22:57] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [22:58] I must be having a moment then whats the baby pig one then,,now I'll goto wiki heh [22:58] No idea, pig ain't kosher so I don't mess with it [22:59] hba (n=hba@189.188.151.118) left irc: "leaving" [22:59] is a server app that requires a user being created and having dirs chowned to it a bad idea? [22:59] Depends. [22:59] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [23:00] it's a webcam server [23:00] You might want to set the user's shell to /bin/false. [23:00] and I'm reading the INSTALL and it seems ... strange [23:00] I guess that'd be better than having to run it as root [23:00] sounds better than running it as root as long as your create the user properly [23:00] FriedBob: damn it [23:00] Old_Fogie: I call it bacon [23:01] :) [23:01] nullboy: I do what I can. [23:01] Stroker (n=Sofaking@160-129.94-24.tampabay.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:02] if you dont want to run as root, (a) turn the monitor upside down or (b) turn yourself upside down, this way you'll run as "toor" [23:03] Old_Fogie: I prefer to turn the monitor 90 degrees and myself 90 degrees the other way. [23:03] oh that'll work too [23:03] Action: Old_Fogie appends option (c) for convenient pasting later [23:04] briareus, that would be fine, gdm for example does that, clamav does that, but I would recommend that you look into what options that server needs, /bin/false, etc etc [23:04] *needs for it's user / group account when you make it [23:07] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. 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[23:25] Action: FriedBob sends gm152 a SIGSTOP to test the theory. [23:25] Action: gm152 stops. [23:25] Action: FriedBob also sends an HCF [23:25] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [23:26] herbert123456 (n=herbert@99.163.98.13) joined ##slackware. [23:26] That's something to do with winmodems? [23:26] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:27] From IBM's System/360. [23:27] OPcode for Halt and Catch Fire [23:27] Oh, heh. [23:28] ahahahaha [23:28] lollerskates [23:28] rotfchopter [23:29] roflcopter [23:29] lollerfail [23:29] nullboy: IS that when it has you rolling on the floor but NOT laughing? [23:29] lolcatz [23:29] Every time you can has, God kills a lolcat. [23:29] lollerskates [23:30] I want that short. [23:30] s/or/ir/ [23:31] i had rum and eggnog [23:31] are there smaller install images (that wouldn't require me downloading a large ISO, or browsing through the distribution tree handpicking what i want)? [23:31] http://ruthless.zathras.de/fun/top-secret/NewOpCodes.txt <-- Some good stuff in there. [23:32] mordy: It's not slack, but a really small install image/distro is DSL [23:32] yeah, tried that :| - i'm looking for something a bit more full featured - i'm not using this for a "Live" operation [23:32] i've tried puppy linux too [23:33] FriedBob, hey i like lolcat :S [23:33] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] ceiling cat [23:33] TwinReverb: Packets take a while to travel to you? [23:34] Every processor should have a DMNS opcode. [23:34] "Do what I Mean, Not what I Say" [23:36] FriedBob, ? [23:38] full featured but small install, mordy ? [23:38] TwinReverb: Bad joke due to the delay in your response and your being across the globe from me. [23:38] twinreverb, i mean a basic install after which i can install more things [23:39] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [23:39] i.e. via repositories [23:39] mordy, slackware. install a/ and ap/ [23:40] hmm.. i was also wondering how i can install it from the same media - or if it shouldn't be a problem if i just move all the files to the disk and meddle with syslinux [23:41] i.e. the target and source would be the same drive [23:41] installpkg has "-root" option in case you are installing it to a loopback device [23:41] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.233.7) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:42] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "buenas noches" [23:43] mordy, in my book fwiw, "basic" is a,ap,l,n [23:44] mordy, there's stuff in l and n that aren't necessarily needed, but I like having libs for the box, and networking :) [23:44] mordy: just curious here.. you are aware that slackware does not do automatic dependency resolution, right? [23:45] macavity, yeah, read about it :| [23:45] but i guess that whatever i'd install would include dependencies in its documentation :-/ [23:45] mordy: that pretty much mean that if you dont know what you are doing, slackware wont save your arse... [23:45] mordy: uhm, no... apps just bitch when you try to run them that something is missing [23:46] mordy: you're right, reading the documentation for the base system as well as the documentation for a program you want to install, and also running test configures will help you [23:46] mordy: *all* of a, app, l and n would probably be the best safe choise for a newcommer [23:47] mordy: however, most additional software for slackware is not obtained via "repos".. you go to slackbuilds.org [23:47] Action: mordy thinks about just getting some kind of virtual machine instead of trying to work with obscure and outdated computers [23:47] mordy: .. and for slackbuilds to work, you generally need d/ too [23:47] ha! [23:47] mordy: as they are source based... [23:48] Flat-Line (n=chatzill@dsl-95.static.grp3.tnmmrl.infoave.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] Anyone here [23:48] Define here. [23:49] willing to try to help me resolve a problem [23:49] mordy: if you are used to debian or redhat deriatives, i would *HIGHLY* reccomend that you do a full install (+4.5GB), and start removing stuff afterwards, when you are reasanobly comfortable with the system [23:49] mordy: you don't need to be constrained to slackbuilds.org though. If there is something you need you and is not there you can write your own build script or worst case use checkinstsll [23:49] Flat-Line: not unless you tell us what it is :P [23:49] checkinstall** [23:49] Depends on the problem. [23:49] For the right $$$ I'll do whatever and be whatever. [23:49] lol i think i am having dns problems i can ping googles ip but when i put in google.com its an unknown host [23:50] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:50] hmm.. i do have a 4 GB installation limit (much less in reality, actually) [23:50] Anything in /etc/resolv.conf ? [23:50] FriedBob: what would it cost to see you eat a pund of barbed wire dressed out like G. W. Bush? [23:50] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left ##slackware. [23:51] mordy: then you omit e, t, y and kde [23:51] macavity: More than you can afford. [23:51] FriedBob: name the price, and ill start a fundraiser :P [23:52] macavity: You know the amount of the US Federal deficit? [23:52] Flat-Line: gm152's remark was for you.. in case you dont know that relationship between resolv.conf and name resoluiton [23:53] oh sorry lol all it has in it is search example.net [23:53] FriedBob: ok.. that might not be so hard.. with the dollar being low and all :P [23:53] macavity: That number in Euros. [23:53] Flat-Line: in that case your HDCP server did not hand out the DNS servers [23:53] Flat-Line: how did you get an ip address? [23:54] Flat-Line: OR you are running a fixed IP [23:54] Not that dollar amount converted to Euros, but that number of Euros. [23:54] fixed [23:54] Flat-Line: there you have it :P [23:54] You need at least one nameserver line there. [23:54] my other comps are working fine thought and it works fine when i use bt3 with madwifi [23:54] nameserver [23:55] Flat-Line: are you sure BT does not automatically just ask for a DHCP handout? [23:55] Sounds like you can get an ip via dhcp then; if so, that's likely wha tyou should do. [23:55] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:55] im not sure about bt ......but i have used dhclient annd gotten my ip [23:55] I have a keepass password file that I want backed up periodically -- how do I detect if it's been modified, so I can cp it to another directory? [23:55] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:55] Flat-Line: ah, dhclient does not overwrite /etc/resolv.conf on its own.. [23:55] redtricycle : why don't you just use rsync? [23:56] wow, grubconfig on 12.2 with utf8 over ssh == ugly [23:56] Flat-Line: user dhcpcd instead [23:56] ok ill try that [23:56] Flat-Line: killall dhclient first [23:56] /dev/root on / type reiserfs <--- you guys get that? where's /dev/hdaXXX on / ? [23:56] Flat-Line: then, edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf to reflect your oppionion about how the IP should be optained [23:56] ananke: can rsync append dates to the filename, instead of overwriting previous backups? [23:57] Flat-Line: if you're using dhclient, you'll need to edit dhclient.conf to specifically request the nameservers. I suggest using dhcpcd instead though, as that's the slackware default. [23:57] Old_Fogie: I see /dev/root too. [23:57] yea what the heck is that? [23:57] redtricycle : now that's something different. no. [23:57] Old_Fogie: you won't see that with the generic kernel. [23:57] Old_Fogie: ls -l /dev/root btw :) [23:57] rworkman, did i miss that in readme (I'm not being wise here) just wondering [23:58] redtricycle: use some test like sha or md5 with a script to rename the file and scp or copy [23:58] It wasn't noted in any docs, as it should be transparent to users. It turned out not to be in some cases, but the mkinitrd in /patches fixed that. [23:58] Old_Fogie: You not being wise? I thought that was a given. ;P [23:58] testing grub now...hopefully I was able to see everything write with grubconfig not being utf8 compatile [23:58] rworkman, ok this is fresh install thanks :) [23:58] Old_fogie: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slackware-current-devroot-688189/ [23:58] FriedBob, :) [23:59] I dont go to lq it's on the /ignore [23:59] WHY? [23:59] becuase they made all their money and name on Slackware, and never once blog slackware, and pro ubunut [23:59] thanks guys dhcpcd worked [23:59] I'm a slackware zealot remember [00:00] --- Wed Dec 31 2008