[00:06] Hello slackwarebob [00:06] Seems a bit sleepy here, yes? [00:07] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:09] rawr! [00:09] nobody in slack? [00:12] slack!! [00:12] ware!! [00:15] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] you want slackware? well how about RAW-ware! [00:16] we call that linux from scratch [00:16] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-95-49.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:17] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [00:19] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [00:19] it is very sad that over the years slackware abandoned is spartan minimalistic roots and became slowly just another bloated distro... [00:19] Is anyone here ? [00:19] no? [00:19] grrr you put firefox on someone's machine and tell them to use it and they click internet explorer [00:19] lol [00:19] Action: Delahunt hates the brainwashing caused by Microsoft's market dominance [00:21] delahunt: i can't stand that [00:22] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:24] veritos (n=veritos@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:24] i'm not a MS hater, i just dislike the majority of their userbase [00:25] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-214-139.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:26] Braunne (n=BSD@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] spider1010 (n=spider10@43.sub-97-139-164.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [00:28] Hello, slackers [00:28] hi spider1010 [00:29] mbohun: was it really "spartan minimalistic" when it started ? [00:29] Where's everyone at? [00:30] i am from planet earth [00:30] that's understandable. firefox is crap. [00:30] anything mozilla based is crap. [00:30] well compared to these days i think yes - if i remember right back in 1999 or 2000 the base slack install was apx. 300mb [00:30] yo im boxxy and i trollin [00:30] or even less [00:31] slackwarebob, i bet you used netscape navigator [00:31] and you liked it... [00:31] mbohun: oh, i was just wondering if it was because there wasn't as many programs back then [00:32] dakarn: I used it gladly and I liked it. it was mozilla based. Then after netscape 4 came out things changed. IE got faster and Netscape got slower and crappier. [00:32] it seemed like even without them releasing new version of netscape it kept getting crappier. [00:32] even late 2002 i think the install (including X, gnome base, KDE base) still under 1gb [00:32] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [00:32] didn't aol buy them at some point tho? [00:33] mbohun: so should we blame the projects or shoudl we blame slack for getting big ? [00:33] fhobia: that's the problem that people are adding too much useless crap [00:33] it get getting crappier just sitting there. Slower and slower and more useless. [00:33] .... [00:34] i m not blaming anyone, currently running slack 13.0, and it looks like it is going to be the last one for me, i m going to try gentoo - and see how much space it takes, etc [00:34] gentoo can take as little as you want. [00:35] yeah, i hope so [00:35] i really like slitaz (sp) the last time i looked at it [00:35] i don't see how gentoo addresses the situation [00:35] mbohun: have u tried Slackware 11.0, it can be customized to be minimal easily [00:35] i mean, you can pick and choose what to install in slackware too [00:35] if you want X, OO suite, it will eventually run to 3-4G or so. [00:35] so can a fart, though I like everyone around to know about it. [00:35] but you can go minimal on slackware. [00:36] mbohun: do a cd1 or cd1,2 base slackpkg xfce,fluxbox,whatever i did that for 12.2; cd#1 to gnome-slack-build. [00:36] you just get less freedom by being forced into using emerge and all this other machinery to manage the system [00:36] and then when theres a problem with emerge then it all goes down the drain [00:36] well, emerge eventually breaks itself [00:36] gentoo rocks [00:36] spider1010 (n=spider10@43.sub-97-139-164.myvzw.com) left irc: "Bye" [00:36] gentoo portage is pretty cool. [00:36] you have to start unmasking and stuff [00:36] its definitely cool [00:36] you know mainstream users often forget that there are people who don't want KDE, GNOME, but run blackbox, windowmaker, openbox, need latest gcc, gdb, DDD, perhaps, k3b, xmms, kdiff3, grip - and that's it [00:37] bah [00:37] gentoo breaks, i like it though it does [00:37] Rat409: thanks for telling me - i have been using slackware since 1996 [00:37] I personally love Slackware 9.0... I have it running a web server blazingly fast! [00:37] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.172.195) joined ##slackware. [00:37] i don't like kde and i don't use it in slackware [00:37] you're making it sound like you don't have a choice, mbohun ? [00:37] but to use kde in slackware [00:38] Nick change: tavl_ -> tavl [00:38] I like KDE also. So I use it in slackware. [00:39] nah, you don't understand - in fact i said i don't use KDE - normally i install kde-libs and kde-base (usually compile them from src myself), those are required to use some kde apps i like - like k3b [00:39] Steven Hawkings is on science channel. String theory discussion. [00:39] I like KDE on eye candy computers. [00:39] I do like fluxbox on minimal systems. [00:39] similar to gnome "base" like gnomeui that is required to build and run grip, etc. [00:40] mbohun: oh, ok, i guess you just don't like how slackware comes with so many packages and takes up a lot of space on full install ? [00:40] hmm, i run windowmaker since 1998 i guess [00:40] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:40] xfce gives you decent performance [00:41] the idea of some teenage KDE/GNOME "developer" covered in pimples with 2 years of C or C++ experience is rather scary [00:41] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) joined ##slackware. [00:41] especially when we consider he wants to use 80% of your CPU, HDD, RAM to put some idiotic transparent terminal on your screen [00:41] eeek [00:42] neonflux (n=neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:42] yeah, i agree [00:42] 8) [00:42] I fully agree, thats why I never use a window manager, just CLI [00:42] D3lahunt (n=robert@ZH010224.ppp.dion.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [00:43] actually for a desktop machine there is a need for a window manager, servers never need those [00:43] didn't xterm have transparent capabilities 10 years ago? :) [00:43] Action: brbrbr warmly greet everyone and wish merry christmas [00:44] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [00:45] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [00:46] Delahunt (n=robert@ZH020111.ppp.dion.ne.jp) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:46] gentoo was my first distro, i printed out pages of those tutorials, and spent days getting it up [00:46] i was so confused why linux was so hard [00:46] heheeh [00:47] has it changed or have you? [00:47] tried arch? [00:48] it was pretty nice after setting it up with emerge though [00:48] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left ##slackware. [00:48] I actually wanted to try arch linux on a 486 machine but it didnt work since its optimized for 686 machines, I was kinda disgusted with that! [00:48] then i tried slack and i got it up and running within an hour...but i was confused how to get new programs :-P [00:49] i've tried arch and pacman eventually broke down and got confused [00:49] dude you gotta get slapt get [00:49] i just have the worst luck with these package managers [00:49] i use sbopkg [00:49] and slackpkg for applying patches [00:50] Braunne (n=BSD@ip68-102-50-201.ks.ok.cox.net) left ##slackware. [00:50] of course--i'm just trolling the purists [00:50] i stay away from slapt-get because it seems similar to apt-get and that package manager also gets all confused [00:50] lol [00:51] t0asty (n=t0asty@m330e36d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [00:52] don't get me wrong, .deb package type support is the future of desktop linux [00:52] keep it [00:52] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [00:53] you think of the different demographics that use computers, and more than half are end-users [00:54] so 0+0=1 ? [00:54] alkos333_2 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-56-57-23.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:55] dakarn: Are you sure ? Is it .deb ? [00:55] and not .nix ? [00:55] ^^ [00:56] its not sbopkg :-( ? [00:56] awesome! [00:56] we talking about debian package management is going to be the future of desktop computing [00:56] for users who want simplicity [00:56] and recursive dependency hell in some quarters as well [00:56] ay [00:56] dakarn: Why not .txz ? [00:56] for example - I remember one package pulled in the entire gnome graphics pakcages for no real reason [00:57] that [00:57] is the term I believe you wanted :) [00:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:58] yeah sure whatever lol [00:58] would it matter if the standard was 500 gigs of dependencies [00:58] um, yeah, i think that is our point [00:58] if data transfer rates were in the gB/sec [00:59] doesn't matter - if I don't need the extra crap, I shouldn't be forced to install it [00:59] dakarn: by then you will be using a google cloud pc [00:59] what if 100 tB of ram was the new standard ? [00:59] refer to my last statement [01:00] doesn't matter - just because you have the power available doesn't mean you should be a sloppy program [01:00] lol [01:00] agreed [01:00] and it is sloppy to just "use stuff up" [01:00] yes it is [01:00] 8) i get what dakarn is saying though [01:00] of course [01:01] t0asty (n=t0asty@m330e36d0.tmodns.net) left irc: "used jmIrc" [01:01] i never condone sloppy resource management [01:01] narcisist [01:01] but of course we install with DVDs instead of floppys these days [01:01] and there's a reason [01:01] narcissist* [01:02] the only reason slackware has a dvd is so you can include all of the source files used, otherwise only one or two cd's are needed [01:02] its simples :D [01:02] it has some crap in it too though :-/ lol [01:02] not everyone wants the sources, though [01:03] i'm not trying to argue a moot point, but hopefully you see what i'm saying [01:03] hmm reminds me of the song by the Pretenders, My City Was Gone. 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[02:06] i've been able to turn windows drivers into linux compatible drivers with the /bugumba command [02:06] it's amazing [02:07] tomi_3074 (n=neptun@217.117.141.42) joined ##slackware. [02:10] brbrbr (n=Basiley@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "Leaving" [02:15] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:16] dont be mean. [02:25] next we'll be hearing how it also stabilized windows :) [02:30] Emeau (n=emeau@AMontsouris-552-1-56-38.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:36] fhobia, easytag blows and you know it. [02:37] AtuM (n=damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:38] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:39] hello. please can someone give me a hint on my problem: I've migrated users from a slackware server to a remote ldap and afterwards I've replaced "userPassword" with those of the MD5 hash.. now I can't get users to authenticate on originating server [02:40] RaNdY (i=randy@rats.run.the.shell.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [02:41] zux (n=zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) joined ##slackware. [02:41] I know it might not be slackware related, but I just can't figure out why my config doesn't work.. perhaps I'm missing some MD5 libraries or I need to reconfigure some authentication configs.. I've edited nsswitch.conf and ldap.conf. I don't use PAM [02:43] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [02:43] AtuM: slackware doesnt use pam nor is setting up ldap logins trivial [02:44] Nick change: gr1Mo -> basherror [02:44] AtuM: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/10/17/openldap-in-slackware-13-0/ [02:45] spook, I'm at this for more that 2 weeks.. i get that. basically I don't even want to make samba work with ldap.. but users need to have md5 passwords, otherwise I can't use ldap for anything else [02:46] AtuM: read the link [02:47] basherror (n=gr1Mo@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [02:47] ~ [02:48] reading it.. thanx [02:48] \\ [02:48] mancha: no [02:50] basherror (n=basherro@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] basherror (n=basherro@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:50] spook, it says I need to use crypt passwords.. is there any way around this? [02:51] AtuM: i didnt write the guide, but the guy who did knows his stuff. [02:52] Joshd1910 (n=Joshd191@h186.181.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] hi can someone help me? [02:52] Joshd1910: dont ask to ask or ask for help [02:53] the problem I face is I need to put up a remote ldap server and put users there.. but it seems that since the remote slackware server is a few years ahead of the originating one, the crypt library has changed to a point where those hashes don't work at all [02:53] ask your question or describe your problem in a helpful manner and people will help you if they want. [02:53] i just installed slackware 13 from disc 1. I have no desktop environment. [02:53] wat would i type to install xfce [02:53] CD1 does not have X at all Joshd1910 [02:53] Joshd1910: you need disk 2 for that. or use slackpkg install x xap [02:53] Install the packages from CD2 to get X and XFCE [02:54] ~ [02:54] so i can just type "slackpkg install x xap" [02:54] and that will give me x server [02:54] john_dee (n=id@95-29-14-243.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:54] ? [02:55] if you setup slackpkg correctly, in theory yes. [02:55] Be prepared to wait a while, it will download a lot of data Joshd1910 [02:55] would it be easier then to just use disc 2 [02:55] Joshd1910: also keep in mind that slackware does not start in a runlevel that runs x, by default [02:56] Joshd1910: if you have disc 2 you can use the packages from it. [02:56] ok ill just make it later [02:57] do the other discs have anything important [02:57] define importamt [02:57] Sure [02:58] well wat discs should i make 1 and 2 [02:58] Joshd1910: what do you want on the machine? [02:58] just the core system with xfce [02:58] so i can install wat i want [02:58] disc 1 and 2 should have you set then. [02:59] ok [02:59] dvd is only 4 gig [02:59] dont have a dvd burner [02:59] im just using cdrw [03:00] the world would be so much easier if everyone used usb or pxe [03:00] well thanks for the help [03:01] Joshd1910 (n=Joshd191@h186.181.16.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left ##slackware. [03:01] Joshd1910: remember what you learned about getting help. [03:01] Xeliaa (i=Hyena@lain.mystydragon.com) joined ##slackware. [03:02] anyone running 64bit version know where to aquire the 32bit libs for compatability? [03:02] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [03:04] Xeliaa: http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [03:04] alienBOB: thats the right link, right? [03:04] yes [03:05] at least I see the multilib instructions and links for multilib packages there [03:05] alisonken1noc: i do too, just wondering if thats what alienBOB wants linked to. [03:06] ah [03:06] I've got it in my bookmarks under slackware->Repositories, so I hope it's the one he wants linked :) [03:06] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:09] spook is a spacelien coming down. watch out! [03:09] sigh [03:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-75-56-57-23.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] mbohun (n=mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:13] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:14] oops, i meant to say that in the off-topic channel [03:14] too awesome spook, thanks [03:14] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:14] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-149-65-81.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [03:15] Xeliaa: thank alienBOB, hes the one who pretty much single handedly made slackware64 a reality and wrote that guide. [03:15] Opensys (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: "curiosity kill the kat" [03:16] spook: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib is a better guide with download URL [03:17] alienBOB: roger :) [03:17] well then thanks to alienBOB then, hehe still ya gave me the link, having a 64bit is nice alot faster, though dawned on me when i attempted to load my server stuff from a backup and nothing worked [03:17] You know what i'll never understand? People switching distributions because 'distro X ships with version Y of program Z' [03:17] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.172.195) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:18] hiptobecubic: if i wanted pam i probably wouldn't use slackware, so i can understand it sort of. [03:19] i prefer to stick with slackware, ive been using it since 94, and i look at other distro's even the easy to use newbie distro's and i get so confused. [03:19] spook, i'm not talking about adding some program that isn't available in another distro. I'm talking about saying things like "i use fedora because it always has the latest pidgin release" [03:20] who the hell uses pidgin anymore [03:20] ..... lol.. [03:20] or Suse 11.2 is great because it uses kernel 2.6.31 [03:20] or whatever [03:20] spook, you're kidding right? :) [03:20] i use pidgin [03:20] Action: alienBOB uses pidgin all the time [03:20] hiptobecubic: no, its a horribly buggy piece of junk [03:21] better then trillian [03:21] pidgin is like firefox [03:21] i ditched it for bitlbee and never looked back [03:21] now got me curious to have a look at that... does it support camera functions? [03:21] Easily the best thing out there, until you start installing some idiot's homebrew plugin [03:22] its a text only im client that uses an irc client. [03:22] Xeliaa, a better question is 'does it support anything other than unformatted plain text' [03:22] true [03:22] i have my im clients inside irssi thanks to bitlbee [03:22] does it run Myspace & Facebook IM yet? [03:22] arent those just xmpp protocols? [03:22] Xeliaa, no. unless something has changed [03:22] facebook IM is the analogy i use for UDP networking. [03:23] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [03:23] it does not look like they are XMPP [03:23] facebook's IM is disgusting [03:23] no one laughed at my very funny joke :( [03:23] why on EARTH they didn't go with xmpp is beyond me. I don't see what they have to gain [03:23] spook, i didn't realize it was a joke. [03:23] j0z (n=j0z@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:24] hiptobecubic: i said facebook IM, you're meant to laugh. its a joke. [03:24] well they are adding support last i remember and that was in 08 [03:24] jabber/xmpp [03:25] spook, i'm sure it was a clever joke, i just don't know much about udp :) [03:25] last i checked, the pidgin plugin for facebook had to constantly probe the server for updates [03:26] so you'd get 14 people signing on and off at once as it retrieved the data [03:26] hiptobecubic: UDP is essentially best effort delivery. messages might get there, but theres no way of knowing or guarentee [03:26] Assuming of course it managed to run long enough for that to happen [03:26] spook, sounds about right [03:27] I almost got rid of pidgin because of instability, then i disabled the FB plugin just to test it out... blam. magically everything worked again [03:28] hasn't crashed on me since slack 12.2 came out :) [03:28] and recent versions of that plugin do not even work on Slackware... unless you download some library, which is not mentioed [03:28] mentioned* [03:28] screw that plugin [03:28] hiptobecubic: msn, the protocol i use the most, is always super buggy on pidgin for me. [03:29] I usually use googletalk, but i haven't had any problems with msn [03:30] i found myself regularily having to manually disconnect and reconnect the msn connection to actually have conversations with people. [03:31] If everybody would move to XMPP all our IM problems would disappear... [03:31] indeed [03:31] is that jabber? [03:32] dchmelik, jabber is the old name [03:32] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber [03:32] Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) (formerly named Jabber[1]) is an open, XML-based protocol [03:34] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-158.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:36] Presence data overhead: With typically over 70% of XMPP inter-server traffic being presence data[16] and close to 60% of it being redundantly transmitted,[17] XMPP currently has a large overhead in delivering presence data to multiple recipients. I didn't realize that [03:36] i remember seeing a whiteboard style setup with xmpp that was supposed to be similar to paintchat.. wish i could findi t again. [03:36] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [03:40] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [03:40] [OpenSys] (n=vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:42] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.26.210) joined ##slackware. [03:42] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.26.41) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:43] NetNightmare (n=giuseppe@host18-222-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:51] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] t0asty (n=cresente@ip68-8-222-142.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) left irc: Success [03:55] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [03:58] how would i go about checking to see what wifi card driver i'm using? [03:58] lsmod [03:58] pipes (n=pipes@freedomisnothingtofear.com) left irc: "." [03:58] thanks [03:59] also dmesg probably says something about it [04:02] yeah, i found it [04:02] i knew kind of what it was [04:02] but couldnt remember exactly [04:02] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:02] lspci -v also showed it [04:03] Nick change: madbear_ -> madbear [04:04] the card model and driver are different. [04:04] but it also told me what driver it was using [04:04] i have this weird problem in only slack. first time i use it on my laptop. when ive been or are in X and get "tab" out to console or just power down the computer the text is faded as hell [04:05] Kernel driver in use: rt61pci Kernel modules: rt61pci [04:05] Reticenti: :D [04:05] madbear: tab? [04:06] spook: sry .. when i reboot or when i use ctrl alt + f1...6 [04:06] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) left irc: Operation timed out [04:06] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [04:06] the text is fine before i start x [04:06] madbear: what runlevel? [04:07] 3 [04:07] its fine before i start x then i cant hardly see the text . even if i kill x [04:07] is it possible for a wifi card to offer an access point while also connected to another wifi access point? [04:08] Reticenti: no. those are two seperate modes [04:08] Reticenti: Master and [04:08] Managed, iirc [04:08] ah, ok [04:09] s0d0 (n=sod@host81-141-52-158.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [04:18] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.41.152) joined ##slackware. [04:20] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:33] Axius (n=ade@92.85.209.133) joined ##slackware. [04:36] actually, repeater mode is possible, but it reduces your access by a little over 1/2 since it now has to spend half it's time talking to another access point [04:37] but it's still better to have 2 separate wifi cards - one for ap mode and another on a different channel (preferrably directional antenna) talking to it's upstream partner [04:41] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [04:41] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:41] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) left irc: Connection timed out [04:42] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] i just got all giddy, i performed a man in the middle attack on my self using etter cap [04:44] i rerouted microsoft.com to linux.com [04:46] Anyone here ever use the werc dirdir app? [04:48] Reticenti: grats [04:50] madbear: IBM Thinkpad? [04:51] graH8gQAQJifbUei (n=vmHK5q16@65.48.197.163) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Pd4sgeK5fTFzhSq (n=HEz3NpMp@65.48.197.163) joined ##slackware. [04:51] ET69exHQndHa (n=sMEfUIMW@65.48.197.163) joined ##slackware. [04:51] KhrTOz4OpIu (n=bE955@65.48.179.154) joined ##slackware. [04:51] exIcmyRiUinGPFM (n=abABnajK@72.51.111.123) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Ag5Unz2Ul6lD2rIF (n=uJhheGlD@72.51.111.123) joined ##slackware. [04:51] Gz3hio3P (n=v6003YkV@69.73.233.243) joined ##slackware. [04:51] PlslftRrCaXq (n=F1Hb27gv@69.73.233.243) joined ##slackware. [04:51] H2x0373IKQ9ScVqd (n=V6bGSJ8u@69.73.233.243) joined ##slackware. [04:51] NqFypEE3ESm1xTaF (n=JgJouvoO@93.85.192.143) joined ##slackware. [04:51] JXadOpIyXRHDja0J (n=k0LVnZTI@93.85.192.143) joined ##slackware. [04:51] zeDPaqbclh (n=NfiRpZa3@93.85.192.143) joined ##slackware. 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[04:58] NetNightmare (n=giuseppe@host18-222-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:58] someone is angry at freenode? some turdbrain troll misunderstood?...lol [04:59] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:00] been happening to a sponsor server for a couple of days now [05:01] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Yeah! cowsay is in approved! :D [05:03] what a nice present for new years holiday :] [05:04] :D [05:06] francog (i=francog@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [05:06] Don't know how I managed to live without cowsay foro so many years :D [05:08] Action: niels_horn switched back to serious mode [05:08] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.197) joined ##slackware. [05:08] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:09] Anyone seen gwview cause lots (29) of zombies before? All sh processes. Closing gqview killed all the zombies. [05:09] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.207.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:09] OclkdMan (n=OclkdMan@78.134.14.153) joined ##slackware. [05:10] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [05:10] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.94.227) joined ##slackware. [05:10] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B5871.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:11] hi all. i've changed all firefox default fonts on my slackware. now some sites are unreadable. is there a way to reset them all deleting my personal settings? [05:12] i've changed back to defaults manually but some web pages are still unreadable. [05:13] NetNight1are (n=giuseppe@host18-222-static.25-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:16] About gqview - this seems to be a bug. Every time I rotate a picture it leaves a defunct sh process behind as a Zombie. I'll check with upstream... 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The problem is actually simple & I dunno if anyone will solve it... "Rotate" opens a shell and calls jpegtran but does not wait for it to finish. [06:27] pprkut: so it becomes defunct / zombie until you close gqview itself [06:29] Staden (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:29] niels_horn: geeqie r1746: Improved rotation script, uses exiftran for jpeg [06:30] pprkut: hehehe... you're faster than I am... I was on the site checking for this... :) [06:30] ;) [06:31] its the first google result :p [06:31] I'll build geeqie here to test it. Any chance of this entering Slackware in the future, since gqview is dormant? [06:32] they just have a beta release for now. Maybe once there's a stable release [06:32] technically geeqie *is* gqview, just with another name [06:33] ok... I'll play with it (actually I *should* be working now, but it's a quiet week...) [06:33] the geeqie devs couldn't contact the original developer and therefore had to fork it [06:34] Axius (n=fim@92.85.209.133) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:34] Yeah, I read it on their page... I like(d) gqview, have been using it for years... simple, fast, does what I need and calls gimp when I want, etc... [06:34] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-220-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [06:34] hi there [06:34] asamoah_ (n=caio@190.244.48.80) joined ##slackware. [06:35] niels_horn: same here. But in recent times gwenview got really good. So I mainly end up using that. (Qt>Gtk) [06:37] I am a Gtk fan :) [06:37] niels_horn: like gqmpeg...all abandoned :( [06:37] used that for years [06:38] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [06:38] With modern Qt4 apps I have the impression that half of my screen is used up by buttons & toolbars :D [06:39] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.64.89) joined ##slackware. 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[06:40] yes i have problems too with qt/kde apps...everything so overloaded with buttons and sliders and boxes [06:40] no doubt technically its > gtk though [06:41] qt4 is better in looks too [06:42] the kde devs should use that dominance. the apps are just confusing [06:42] its not only me finding that. but however, lunch is waiting [06:42] well, the thing that strikes me most is that the Qt devs are spending a lot of effort on looking good in gtk environments, and the gtk devs do nothing to look good in Qt environments [06:43] theres probably much more pressure on their side cause of firefox though [06:43] despite the fact that konqueror is better in most aspects firefox is standard now [06:44] and looks plain ugly in kde (which is the main reason I don't like it) [06:45] since i switched to kde i dont even install it, but it can look nice (intergrated) with qtcurve iirc [06:45] guax (n=guax@189.75.14.15) joined ##slackware. [06:45] theres also a plasma-notify addon for notifications [06:45] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [06:45] yeah, I heard that as well. My problem is....I don't like qtcurve either :D [06:46] Action: niels_horn does not run kde... [06:47] pprkut, uh rworkman's got exo-notification and libnotify and such [06:47] niels_horn: if you have no problem with gtk, I guess your life is a lot easier. If you go Qt, there's pretty much only kde [06:48] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [06:48] Delahunt: rw also said that hes probably gonna add them to future releases. but that was before 13.0 [06:48] so i dont know if thats still true [06:48] Delahunt: uhm, that doesn't change firefox to be anything else but a memory eating grey brick, no? [06:49] it doesnt. i thought it was part of another discussion [06:50] asamoah (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:51] pprkut, gimp crashed itself due to lack of memory (or was terminated or something) [06:51] and all i'm doing is auto-white-balance, then resize to 50%, then save [06:52] sahk0, yeah [06:52] btw ive seen konqueror use 250 mb of ram, so i dont know why people never mention it as a resource hog too [06:52] and ive never seen firefox use that much [06:53] sahk0: konqueror is far from perfect. BUT it looks good! It's amazing how many bugs I can accept if I really like the looks of an application [06:53] pprkut: No problems w/ gtk.... I use Xfce. I do use a few Qt apps that do not rely on KDE, just the qt4 library [06:55] niels_horn: lucky you ;) [06:55] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [06:55] 2134 robert 20 0 364m 101m 12m S 8 5.0 3:57.23 firefox-bin [06:55] 3881 robert 40 0 488m 460m 11m S 0 22.8 6:25.84 gimp [06:55] the most important issue ive had with konqueror is that it ironically crashes almost every time i visit the kde forum brainstorm section, but the other day firefox crashed there too [06:56] pprkut: it's all a matter of what you're used to... :) [06:56] I guess it's somewhat possible to get a Qt free gtk desktop. It's impossible the other way around :( [06:56] and right now GIMP has NO FILES OPEN (just got done editing about 50 but in batches of 12 [06:56] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:56] niels_horn: I really tried to like gtk. I failed miserably... [06:56] pprkut: because of the graphics? [06:57] looks, yes [06:57] pprkut: only gtk app atm is wicd here. and from what ive seen the devs are probably gonna split the frontend. seen an rw branch on that at some point [06:57] pprkut: I see... Well, I'm a 75% cli person, so I am not too worried about looks [06:58] But I agree that KDE with all the fancy stuff looks nice. Maybe one day I'll try the switch again [06:58] same here with cli...but if i use gtk stuff it must look good. [06:59] window manager / desktop environment is all preference [06:59] i cant stand ugly unpolished crap [06:59] i cant stand pygtk [06:59] python in gui in general [06:59] its slow and looks awful [06:59] to me gtk looks polished and qt looks overdone but beauty is in the eye of the beholder [06:59] I actually still use xpdf... Now that is something ugly... But I'm so used to it :) [07:00] good day all [07:00] to me xpdf is about not being a memory hog [07:00] sahk0: well, I have a lot of specialized apps on my deskto. In that field you have to take what you get, and it's pretty much gtk :( [07:00] i'd use something with more of a footprint but then it renders slow and is annoying [07:00] what i hate with xfce is the panel section. so many crap. in thunar too. instead of finishing things first, they develop more -unpolished- eyecandy [07:00] and i've got a core 2 duo 1.6GHz with 2GB RAM [07:00] pprkut: of course [07:00] (i tend to open large PDFs) [07:00] bbl gotta cook sthg [07:01] cteg, that's because qt looks polished to you [07:01] cteg: in that sreen shot a few days ago, what was that in the bottom right? [07:01] me, i prefer the "beauty in simplicity" concept [07:01] no it doesnt, i dont use it... [07:01] so again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder 8-) [07:01] unless this is DnD v3, in which case beauty is NOT in the eye of the Beholder [07:01] i'm a cli person to 75% [07:01] instead you have an anti-magic cone [07:01] Delahunt: I have a core2duo 3GHz with 4GB RAM running Xfce... I guess I could run KDE w/o problems on that :) [07:01] niels_horn, should... [07:02] TClayton: its conky set up as panel [07:02] its all along the bottom [07:02] Delahunt: hehehe... maybe, one day... [07:02] cteg: ah ok thanks [07:02] cteg, move it [07:02] much less you can add another [07:02] But my video card sucks... only use an on-board Intel whatever [07:03] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/screenshot.jpg [07:04] i intentionally laid mine out as close as to Mac OS X as possible in terms of where things are. however, i didn't bother with the look or feel, just the arrangement [07:04] one person i set up slackware for LOVED how it looked that way (i set up her xfce desktop) [07:05] she was using linux more than vista at that point 8-) [07:05] with pink heart icons all over teh place? ;) [07:05] nope 8-) [07:05] she's military 8-) [07:05] mwnn (n=user@59.92.171.48) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:05] :) [07:06] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-10-210.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [07:07] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [07:08] hahaha ok now firefox dumped because IT ran out of memory due to The GIMP [07:09] dang all i had was myspace and facebook open on it o.O [07:09] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [07:09] 6663 robert 20 0 284m 80m 23m S 2 4.0 0:07.47 firefox-bin [07:09] 6049 robert 40 0 1286m 1.2g 13m S 0 58.9 0:33.97 gimp [07:10] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [07:10] dear All. Does anybody use MOC with ffmpeg codesc? [07:11] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-trcepmpypivfzluu) joined ##slackware. [07:15] dfrank, what do you need? what is MOC? [07:16] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.125.19) joined ##slackware. [07:21] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.123.207) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:21] Shuren (n=Devilman@host70-223-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Sto andando via" [07:24] urthwrm (n=urthwrm@124-170-214-139.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. 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[07:44] ah yes thanks alisonken1noc lol [07:47] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/config-slap64-2.6.32.2 [07:47] Entulho (n=rena@201-2-234-16.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [07:47] no existo? [07:47] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/config-slap-2.6.32.2 [07:47] oh [07:48] ww.puresimplicity.net does not resolve due to missing 3rd w [07:48] Entulho (n=rena@201-2-234-16.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:48] right [07:48] babbo (n=nnscript@93-34-55-45.ip48.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [07:49] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. 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[08:01] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [08:07] sirsclacker (n=AndChat@tmo-098-84.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] sirsclacker (n=AndChat@tmo-098-84.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:08] sirsclacker (n=AndChat@tmo-098-84.customers.d1-online.com) joined ##slackware. [08:09] sirsclacker (n=AndChat@tmo-098-84.customers.d1-online.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:09] it's true slackware's default config is not very laptop friendly [08:10] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:10] And that's what wicd is for. [08:11] why is that? [08:11] Just Say No to laptops anyway :) [08:11] hah [08:11] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [08:11] so slackware is not so good for laptop? [08:11] slackware works great on laptops [08:11] I use it on my laptop [08:12] what he was doing was a kernel optimized for laptops [08:12] Gotcha [08:13] milanez (n=mgm@187.39.184.231) left irc: "leaving" [08:14] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [08:14] so it can safe powwer? [08:14] It can hibernate and suspend fine. [08:16] Slackware's kernel works just fine with laptops [08:16] not only is hardware closed source and a moving target, different pieces of software is a moving target too, it is no wonder computers are a troublesome pain in the arse so often [08:16] alienBOB, who said it doesn't? [08:16] Perhaps Delahunt applied some optimalizations [08:16] alterations [08:16] Delahunt: deximat assumed so [08:16] i think the LQ thread is a read [08:16] ah [08:16] Action: Delahunt stabs deximat [08:18] i specified only that i was defaulting towards (hopefully) better battery performance on laptops [08:18] pat defaults to stability, and i based my config on the generic kernel config concept [08:18] pat gets any credit involved. i simply changed a couple things, that's all [08:19] i did almost nothing [08:19] hold on [08:19] Did you run comparisons yet between Slackware's and your kernel regarding battery lifetime? [08:19] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.97.95) joined ##slackware. [08:19] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/slap-dvd-laptop-kernel-config-753734/#post3675289 [08:19] alienBOB, not any scientific ones, no. i seem to get about 15-30 minutes more [08:20] but linux being optimized for laptop situations has not truly arrived yet [08:20] case in point, most the recent cleanup related to suspending without segfaulting [08:20] Zordrak: duuude? [08:20] too busy using my laptop to test [08:20] Action: spook salutes to the staff sergeant [08:21] Action: Delahunt gives spook a sarcastic backwards salute [08:21] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [08:21] i gave an australian style salute [08:21] salute alienbob, i'm just a slackware user 8-) [08:21] how can you give a backwards salute? [08:22] left handed for americans [08:22] oh i see [08:22] australian is right hand, but back of hand flat against head [08:22] i have another laptop but it's a bit old and i need a power adapter for it [08:22] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:23] i was going to test on that one (it's a pentium-M) [08:23] still, kernel config is only a little part in optimizing for power saving anyways [08:23] one still ought to use hdparm at least [08:24] diven (n=diven@cpe-72-191-28-135.satx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:24] i have a vision of a separate laptop-optimized slack (as you probably remember) but i don't have the time yet to test and do other things [08:25] much less i'd have to get with you alienBOB about how to recompile slackware and i'm thinking patrick may not want the recompiling info to get out since he doesn't seem to share that info with just anyone [08:25] and i would need to also conduct surveys [08:25] so this is a very long-range (far off) idea [08:25] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-dhraiwitndziacqe) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:25] geez, start a twitter account already [08:26] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:26] ? [08:27] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:27] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B14373.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:27] sirslacker (n=aligp@p54B14373.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. 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[08:38] PeanutHorst (n=peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:38] Delahunt: what do you mean by Pat not sharing info, i guess you never looked at the changelogs and the slackbuilds [08:39] no what i'm saying is not telling us how to "make world" [08:39] Pat makes it quite plain what he does to slackware [08:39] i'm referring to a commend alienBOB made in an interview about Slackware64 [08:39] that Patrick taught him how to build it [08:39] i know there are SlackBuild scripts etc [08:39] I agree that Pat doesn't share much these days [08:40] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [08:40] i didn't say pat don't share [08:40] what i meant is i don't know how to "make world" therefore to me slackware might as well end up becoming LFS if i try to build it [08:40] what is there that he doesnt share? [08:40] and that i am no where near the expertise of alienBOB [08:40] < Delahunt> much less i'd have to get with you alienBOB about how to recompile slackware and i'm thinking [08:40] patrick may not want the recompiling info to get out since he doesn't seem to share that info [08:41] oops, that is not work as good as i thought [08:41] Action: Delahunt shrugs [08:41] what do you think the source tree is for? [08:41] i know what it's for but again to me this would end up being LFS [08:41] it's above my expertise anyways [08:41] it used to be that right after a slackware release, -current would immediately start moving again. now, most everything is done behind the scenes [08:41] i wish i could paste better [08:42] thrice`: more people run -current now [08:42] for example, 13 has been out 4 months, and the only thing -current has done is bump kde a couple times [08:42] . "without having a clue how to run -current" [08:42] rapid (n=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [08:43] ok i feel that people are turning what i said into something other than what i meant [08:43] BP{k}: :) [08:43] spook, I think so, more rely on it, perhaps [08:43] Delahunt: welcome to the internet. you must be new here [08:43] and i don't want people pointing fingers at me if this gets out of hand on here [08:43] Delahunt: welcome to the internet. you must be new here [08:43] Action: Delahunt stabs spook [08:43] Action: BP{k} blames Delahunt for everything. [08:43] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:44] between the source tree and that script to build ISOs for Slackware-current I don't see where the mystery is [08:44] morning guys, hopefull the netsplits are done :-) [08:44] i can see a mob with pitchforks and torches getting ready to chase after Delahunt [08:44] sitwon: *facepalm* [08:44] Axius (n=fim@92.85.208.250) joined ##slackware. [08:44] all he needs now is a violin playing from a parapet [08:44] Pig_Pen: I was going to use a forklift truck for it. [08:45] (young frankenstein reference for you youngsters) [08:45] spook: ? [08:46] Action: spook facepalms more [08:46] ... [08:46] whatever, it's too damn early in the morning [08:48] it appears to me, however, that there's a script missing in the source tree, like make_world.SlackBuild or whatever [08:48] hmm I am pretty darn sure there isn't. [08:48] that's not how it works [08:50] Delahunt: l2slackware [08:53] then why do all the SlackBuild scripts accept input ARCH and they use the same source tree (it appears) for both 32bit and 64bit version? [08:53] it's as if they are supposed to "attach" to something [08:54] Action: spook facepalms [08:54] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B14373.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] Action: alisonken1noc joins spook [08:54] Action: alisonken1noc and adds 'headdesk' to the mix [08:55] Delahunt, my guess is that Patrick exports the ARCH in his .profile and only builds packages one at a time (as they change). Rebuilding the whole tree would take a long long time... ever done a Gentoo install? [08:55] Delahunt: it's so you don't have to have separate source trees for the same program if there is only minor differences [08:55] yeah i've done a gentoo install. not fun nor pretty [08:55] thanks for helping me understand [08:55] slackware is not gentoo. [08:55] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:56] spook: I didn't say it was, but compiling /every/ package from source (as Delahunt suggested) would take a comparably long time to installing Gentoo... [08:56] especially on my old pentium I computer [08:58] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) joined ##slackware. [08:58] because i was thinking that if i were to do the whole "slap" concept i am thinking of, and i cannot find anyone with a laptop that has something other than a 686 i'd want to cross-compile the whole thing 686 [08:59] or maybe at minimum 586 but it depends [09:00] i'm basically thinking out loud and bouncing my ideas off you guys. i appreciate your feedback btw.... [09:00] Dalahunt: export ARCH='your arch' ; find /path/to/src/tree -iname '*.slackbuild' -execdir ./{} [09:00] actually pentium-M (since it's sort of "between" 586 and 686) [09:00] well surely it's not that easy because some things have to be built before others [09:01] unless you're saying cross-compile this on a working install [09:01] Action: Delahunt is new to the cross compile concept and such [09:01] nessundorma (n=mike@78.134.97.95) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:01] nessundorma: i told you vicero! 8-) [09:02] Delahunt, the Slackbuilds compile against the libs in your local system so you'd have to compile from a working install. Unless you're going to create a chroot build environment. [09:02] sitwon, uh so you're saying to a clean full install and then run that? i once heard (and i don't know for sure) that if you want something truly 686, for example, your glibc and such have to be cross-compiled first [09:03] is that true? [09:04] what do you mean by "cross-compiled"? [09:04] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:04] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B14373.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:04] nevermind i guess that's not the right word [09:04] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [09:04] rapid (n=rapid@c210-49-80-29.rochd2.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [09:05] i was told that your glibc/gcc have to be 686 before you can make (for example) 686 binaries etc that are "truly optimized" or wtf-ever [09:05] weebuttons (n=mupi@41.178.104.245) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:05] may be an old gentoo wive's tale [09:05] if you want to completely rebuild everything for a different architecture, you would probably want to use a chroot [09:05] or a virtual machine, correct? [09:06] AtuM (n=damjan@84-255-254-147.static.t-2.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:06] only if it's a foreign arch [09:07] actually, you probaly don't even need the chroot to go from i386 to i686 [09:09] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B15AFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:09] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [09:09] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B15AFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [09:09] so what you do is build GCC et al. for i686 and setup the tree in a sub-directory, and then when you build the rest of the softare tell them to link against the libs in the sub directory instead of the libs in your local system. A chroot is an easy way to do that, but most packages will also accept environment variables or ./configure parameters to specify where to find the libraries [09:10] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B15AFE.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:10] no - you can cross-compile as long as gcc knows the arch and has the library tools for that arch [09:10] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B15AFE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:11] use the gcc tutorial and it will tell you how to cross compile for architectures [09:11] alisonken1noc: I'm not sure of the terminology, but is is considered "cross-compiling" to go from i386 to i686 or vice versa? [09:11] no - that's the same architecture [09:11] I thought there was a different term for that since it's the same x86 arch [09:11] architecture would be x86 v. alpha v. 68000 [09:12] sitwon, alisonken1noc thanks a lot [09:12] i'll go hunt down a VM tonight and maybe start the process [09:12] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:12] until then FWIW there's a poll i started on LQ, please use it if you don't mind [09:13] going from i386 to i686 can be considered "cross compiling" in a very limited sense [09:13] spook: ping [09:13] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:13] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B16C7D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] Delahunt: there is no "make world" script for Slackware. Not even non-public [09:15] Slackware has no recipe for being built unattended [09:15] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B16C7D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:15] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B14A8B.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [09:16] Delahunt: "check all that apply" will not work with the poll you created. Only one will remain checked [09:17] Delahunt: You're trying to make a laptop-optimized build of Slackware? What's wrong with stock Slackware? I've been using it that way for years. [09:17] Delahunt: consider Slackware as being a good wine. It needs tender care and loving, and can not be (re)produced in a laboratory without losing the spirit [09:19] o_O [09:19] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:19] alienBOB: that suggests a very hap-hazard development style.... but it works so I'm not going to complain. [09:20] alienBOB, yeah i noticed that and i also noticed that there is no delete option [09:21] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [09:21] sitwon, nothing's wrong with it, just that i think i might be able to take steps towards making it more specifically for laptops, that's all [09:21] well what i mean is slightly modifying it to be more laptop-friendly [09:21] dangit i'm not good with words tonight [09:21] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:22] Delahunt: what I'm asking is what specificially do you find *not* laptop-friendly about Slackware? [09:22] Delahunt: I think you can ask a moderator to delete the old topic [09:22] alienBOB, yeah thanks lol 8-S [09:23] sitwon: not hap-hazard at all. Rather, it needs a lot of testing, tweaking and rebuilding to get the stability you will find even in -current [09:23] sitwon, not really that anything is laptop-hostile, first off, but that maybe some things might help it a bit [09:24] Delahunt: that's still too vague for my liking. but I guess that's what you were trying to figure out with that poll [09:24] like pentium-m as minimum arch plus -Os (optimize for size rather than speed: supposedly it runs faster on processors with >1MB L2 cache that way but it's a rumor) [09:24] or that some things are included that people with laptops probably will never use (such as tape backups and token ring) [09:25] or that there is no default acpi_handler.sh (a very simple one that checks if we're unplugged and switches hard drive to power save mode) [09:25] Delahunt: I assume you will create other polls too? Because there is a lot more that can be asked about laptops [09:25] i thought i would start with stuff in the kernel [09:26] i don't want to go "too far" into making this an overly democratic process, just wanted to do some research [09:26] even if this fails, i'm hoping this experiment will teach me about what goes into a distribution (but what i am making is NOT a distribution fwiw) [09:27] in the end if the only thing i get is more appreciation for what volkerdi, alienBOB and rworkman do, that's good enough [09:28] alienBOB: It seems to me that if you can't just grab a copy of the source tree and reproduce the compiled result without some undocumented voodoo, then there is something missing from the source tree. [09:28] macman_ (n=macman_@unaffiliated/macman-/x-7349243) left irc: [09:29] sitwon: there are multiple circular dependencies in the sources used for Slackware [09:30] Several packages have to be rebuilt multiple times to pick up all the support we want to see [09:30] alienBOB, really? i thought gnome was the last of circular dependencies [09:30] Delahunt: dream on [09:30] wow [09:30] elliot98 (n=elliot@bzq-109-67-26-228.red.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] Oh the atrocity that is KDE printing and CUPS! [09:31] alienBOB: that makes sense, but I assume you and Pat have worked out process for handling that. As long as that's mentioned in a README somewhere the source tree meets my above criteria [09:31] I guess I'll have to wait unti March until I can print again. [09:32] I built all of Slackware64 from scratch, using a 64bit bootstrap environment, so I know the pitfalls. You can build it unattended once you are certain that none of the software produces build errors. During my 64-bit development stage, I would encounter _many_ build issues [09:32] TheGroove: don't like the printing dialog? [09:32] There is none :( [09:32] Now, rebuilding slackware64 unattended would be entirely possible of course [09:32] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:33] sitwon: bad luck for you, this information will not find it's way into the source tree [09:33] TheGroove: Really? It's supposed to use the qt dialog [09:33] It was pretty awesome in KDE 3.x but it's gone and planned for February. [09:33] They're fixing it? [09:33] More like making it :) [09:33] alienBOB: I'm fine with that as long as you and Pat don't get hit by a bus [09:33] i don't like how they told anyone kde was stable when things don't build right in their vanilla state [09:33] TheGroove: I guess enough people whined about the qt dialog being terrible [09:33] sitwon: it is irrelevant [09:34] s/hit by a bus/hit by a bus simultaneously [09:34] 8-) [09:34] NaCl: well I haven't seen it, even. [09:34] Slackware is not LFS [09:34] example: kaudiocreator [09:34] mornin all. [09:34] alienBOB: but what would we mortals do without you? [09:34] The old one was somewhat weird but it worked very well. [09:34] Go on with life of course [09:34] i shudder to think of what other distributions we would use [09:34] TheGroove: yeah. It did. very well. [09:35] Remember that Slackware is not a community-developed distro. It is community-*supported* [09:35] TheGroove: the qt one doesn't have support for manual duplexing [09:35] NaCl: where would that normally be located? [09:35] The qt dialog, I mean. [09:36] TheGroove: um... it isn't there. Probably should be near the pages printed. Usually, one prints the odd pages, then the even pages. [09:36] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:36] alienBOB, not to split hairs but those who don't get paid are technically part of community not corporate, right? only asking because i wanted to point out that you and rworkman are part of community yet you "develop" and we greatly appreciate that .... [09:36] No I mean the dialog itself, to add printers, etc. [09:36] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:36] not like it matters though [09:36] alienBOB: exactly, that's why you an Pat are so valuable to us. It's not like you guys would be easily replaced. In Debian or Gentoo, half the developers could die and the project would keep chugging along. [09:36] i'm just thankful someone/anyone can help pat [09:36] I'd be happy if I got a single page in the first place :) [09:37] TheGroove: Oh... adding printers. I just use the web interface to do that [09:37] Delahunt: now the _wrong_ thread got closed [09:37] o.O [09:37] That's what I tried but stuff is now stuck in the queue and nothing in the logs that makes sense. [09:38] Possibly something's wrong with the path but it's not like cups can actually browse smb. [09:38] smb. yeah, that probably doesn't help. :/ [09:39] Delahunt: community versus core team... only Pat (and some involved in the sales organization) gets the money, rworkman and I, as well as others do not get paid but yet are developers, not community [09:39] Action: Delahunt shrugs [09:39] sitwon: with Pat gone, there would not be a Slackware as we know it. [09:39] would there be slackware as YOU know it? 8-) [09:40] I would not try to keep SLackware alive if that is what you mean. It would not be Slackware [09:40] There would be a spin-off undoubtedly [09:40] But since I do not own Slackware, Inc. I have no say in it [09:41] Action: rworkman would switch to OpenBSD probably. Almost surely. [09:41] i guess we're asking questions that get too deep into the situation [09:41] Hehe [09:41] Action: NaCl doesn't know what he'd do [09:41] farchanjo (n=Brazil@g3.alog.com.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] I really can't stand most other distros, heh. [09:41] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:41] i honestly don't know what distribution i would use. mandriva is the only other distribution i know. i have friends who use freebsd but fbsd != slackware (although they're actually pretty dang close) [09:41] Not the bsd's. I would continue (helping with) developing 'a' Linux distro [09:42] I guess I'd move to Windows 7, hah. [09:42] Perhaps even Salix ;-) [09:42] i can't stand Gentoo so that's definitely not a move [09:42] FreeBSD would be an alternative, if it survives. [09:42] "if it survives"? [09:42] alienBOB: yet another slackware-based distro? :P [09:43] If I'd pick a Slackware derivative, it would rather be Kongoni. There you find the same level of insanity as in the Slackware team [09:43] Yeah, maybe I have an inaccurate view, but it seems they're struggling somewhat. [09:43] Linux has a much larger momentum. [09:43] sirslacker_ (n=sirslack@p54B16B83.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:43] don't confuse numbers with survival [09:44] people do that all the time with slackware versus the other top 10 on distrowatch (their system of figuring out who's top is retarded) [09:44] Gentoo is not entirely detestable to me. I have to say that their package manager is quite impressive (if overbearing and slow). I might try to get friendly with Debian but I've not been impressed with it in the past. I like OpenBSD... but it's not Linux. I think I'd really need a Slackware-like distro to be happy. [09:44] Don't underestimate the relationship, though ;) [09:44] It's somewhat easier for Slackware since it gains directly from Linux development. [09:46] I'd probably try Arch, but the stuff it's doing scares me. [09:46] maybe Nix, I was planning to rewrite pkgtools to be somewhat similar to their 'functional package manager'. [09:46] An over-intelligent package manager, etc. [09:46] Zordrak: pong [09:46] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B14A8B.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:46] TheGroove, like what? [09:47] spook: i think he died.. haven't seen him for a while. [09:47] Also it doesn't have releases as such, I'm not sure how well that works out. [09:48] alienBOB: are you familiar with GNU Stow? [09:49] agentc0re: we're chatting now, its k [09:49] spook: nevermind i just scrolled up. guess someone revived him, damn! :P [09:49] sitwon: yes, but this is not a concept for Slackware. [09:50] Zordrak: Hey, you wanted me for something bacula related a week and a half ago... Whats up? Also, do you use XenServer(or thought about it)? [09:50] You can create Slackware packages though which work that way, using symlinks [09:50] alienBOB: I wasn't thinking in Pat's Slackware, but in a Slackware-derived OS. I've actually already rewritten the pkgtools scripts to emulate GNU stow [09:51] alienBOB: do you have any arguments against the concept? [09:51] Nick change: sirslacker_ -> sirslacker [09:52] sitwon: nope [09:52] mostly dead project -> http://github.com/Sitwon/funbags [09:52] mmm, funbags [09:55] the one thing I noticed in the early builds I tested was that some packages (most of a/, sudo, a few others) need to me installed normally, symlinks won't work. And updatedb seems to have a hard time with all the symlinks throughout the tree. I solved the first problem by crating a new tag to indicate that a package should be installed normally rather than symlinked. I'm not sure how to solve the updatedb problem. [09:55] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-18-183.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:56] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:57] does anyone here uses tcp wrappers ? [09:57] quite possibly yes [10:01] e01 (n=e01@95-42-143-61.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. 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[10:10] Twaqq (n=Twaqq@89.232.216.97) left ##slackware ("#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)"). [10:10] how can i strip http://linuxpackages.telecoms.bg/Slackware/Slackware-12.2/frias/system/lshw-B.02.14-i486-2mfb.tgz addresses to lshw-B.02.14-i486-2mfb.tgz [10:11] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-18-47.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:11] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [10:12] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-cxnkdlwletphshlf) joined ##slackware. [10:12] cut -d / -f 6 ? [10:13] -f 8 *] [10:13] ack [10:14] echo "http://linuxpackages.telecoms.bg/Slackware/Slackware-12.2/frias/system/lshw-B.02.14-i486-2mfb.tgz" | cut -d / -f 8 [10:14] ok, ty [10:17] babbo (n=nnscript@93-34-55-45.ip48.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:17] cherife (n=cherife@123.121.19.236) joined ##slackware. [10:19] basename [10:19] i.e. basename http://linuxpackages.telecoms.bg/Slackware/Slackware-12.2/frias/system/lshw-B.02.14-i486-2mfb.tgz [10:21] cherife (n=cherife@123.121.19.236) left irc: Client Quit [10:21] i want to install packages from web, like so i just issue "winstallpkg" and paste the link [10:23] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-185.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:23] i bet it's not much of a script to write to man who knows, but for me :( [10:25] agentc0re: slackbuild for bacula was what i wantd [10:25] Scuzz (n=scuzz@d221-71-85.commercial.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:26] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [10:32] e01 (n=e01@95-42-143-61.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [10:33] ToxAtec (n=chatzill@dslc-082-082-143-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:35] heaumer (n=heaumer@ks23738.kimsufi.com) joined ##slackware. [10:41] I looked at my irssi logs, seems freenode told me that there were a bunch of channels that I joined but didn't... [10:42] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:42] ...when I wasn't logged in... [10:43] libtool got vuln [10:44] ComputerNewb (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:45] NaCl: your PC is part of a botnet [10:45] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [10:46] Any way to determine this for sure? [10:46] tcpdump? or some sort of packet sniffer tool? [10:46] BoBoYsDaDDa (n=fuckyou@host-74-211-43-140.beyondbb.com) joined ##slackware. [10:47] I sense a networking issue. [10:47] who me? [10:47] Plasmastar (i=Plasma@unaffiliated/plasmastar) left irc: Client Quit [10:47] nachox (n=imarambi@190.51.17.233) joined ##slackware. [10:47] BoBoYsDaDDa: Do you have guilty conscience or something? [10:47] fraktil (n=fraktil@174.33.171.150) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:47] evening [10:47] Pig_Pen: actually, the channels didn't exist [10:48] no actually i was bored and thought i would learn linux and this distro popped up [10:48] And looking at the log folders themselves indicated that there was no foul play. [10:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [10:51] maybe irssi has a mind of it's own [10:52] who stole the cookie from the cookie jar [10:52] spook stole the cookie from the cookie jar [10:54] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:54] vicjr (n=vicjr@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] who me? couldn't be, then who stole the cookie from the cookie jar [10:54] ok barney [10:54] Action: NaCl is reminded of bash.org [10:55] NaCl: what do you think got me started [10:55] I don't think nachox would kick one of us for accusing him of stealing the cookie from the cookie jar. [10:56] aye [10:56] nachox stole the cookie from the cookie jar [10:56] spook, it was our secret [10:56] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.197) left irc: [10:56] hehe [10:58] i asked yesterday but had t leave.. The question was... How do i delete stuff i have compiled and installed? I compiled and installed several versions of glib2 on my slackintosh.. when trying to compile swfdec i get version errors. so the question is how can i remove glib2 completely from my system so that i may compile a version and install [10:58] sounds like a mess! [10:58] i should reinstall the distro right? [10:58] there is no reliable way. this is why EVERY distribution uses some sort of packaging [10:59] vicjr: see if there's an uninstall target in te Makefile [10:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:59] ok... This is a salvaged laptop and my son is 5 years old and i want him to have his own laptop [10:59] a clean install is the best way to be sure, and dont just build source and run make install, use DESTDIR or INSTALL_ROOT to a temp dir and use makepkg to build a package so you can cleanly remove it when you need to [11:00] ahh. [11:00] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Pig_Pen... i will then reinstall the distro and then compile and build package [11:00] i've never built a package... im sure there are easy howto's on the net. [11:01] you can try to "make uninstall" in all of those, but you will most definitely need to re-install the glib2 package (it's pretty critical to the system) [11:01] check with slackbuilds.org to at least read the slackbuild file and see what works [11:01] well this slackintosh version of slackware is 12.1 [11:01] packaging is the best and worst thing about linux :) [11:02] my goal is to install swfdec to play flash... since flashplayer isn't available for powerpc [11:02] im trying to overcome the studdering that MAC OS flashplayer has. [11:02] it needs a newer glib2 than what slackware provides ? [11:02] _bruno (n=bruno@189-47-248-111.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [11:03] Action: psychicist used gnash until youtube's switch to flash 10 broke it a few months ago [11:04] psychicist, opensource is a bitch, aint it? :P [11:04] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.206) joined ##slackware. [11:04] i wish youtube would switch to the html5 video container already [11:04] have you heard of minitube? [11:05] nachox: it is, I could write entire books about the subject :) [11:05] nachox, do you guys have any flash in solaris land? outside of the [hackish] linux-layer ? [11:06] configure: error: glib-2.0, gobject-2.0 and gthread-2.0 >= 2.16 are required to build swfdec [11:06] spook, i doubt it, why would they, flash is good enough for what they do, and migration costs money [11:06] yeah, that's an old version [11:06] thrice`, solaris has flash from adobe, an official release and everything, on par with linux [11:06] Well, the version in 13.0 [11:07] vicjr, you're on 13? [11:07] http://lifehacker.com/5428618/minitube-brings-a-flash+free-youtube-to-mac-and-linux <--- spook [11:07] thrice`: he's using slackintosh 12.1 [11:07] sorry i know this is not a slackintosh help channel.. but i can't find a place .. [11:08] when using the slackbuild for swfdec 12.1 i get this configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables [11:08] See `config.log' for more details. [11:08] you probably didn't change the ARCH properly [11:08] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) joined ##slackware. [11:08] Is anyone here ? [11:09] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:09] Nick change: alisonken1hom2 -> alisonken1home [11:09] Linux-IRC, which client do you use for irc? [11:09] entulho_ (n=rena@189.72.116.152) joined ##slackware. [11:09] thrice`: Why? [11:09] vicjr: you will probably need to make a custom powerpc target [11:09] Linux-IRC, because you should have a giant list of people [11:10] thrice`: Which do you use? [11:10] I had mandriva on this old hdd, got bored of it and installed slackware. everything fine, execpt LILO wasn't installed correctly (I chose root instead of MBR_ [11:10] Linux-IRC, doesn't matter, I don't ask retarded questions like "IS ANYONE HERE??" [11:10] they say slapt-get should work with slackinstosh [11:10] maybe the worst irc question there is :> [11:10] thrice`: Not giant list , 283 now [11:10] Now i still got grub because it was on the MBR and i don't know how to install lilo with the live dvd. [11:10] thrice`: irssi now [11:10] thrice`: you should remember that Linux-IRC always asks this kind of questions... [11:11] thrice`: Which do you use? [11:11] mm, ok :> [11:11] alienBOB: Hi, how are you? [11:11] Patrick Volkerding , are you here ? [11:11] Yes/No?Maybe [11:12] maybe Patrick really hides as slackboy [11:12] Maybe Patrick doesn't come here so as to avoid timewaster questions. ;-) [11:12] Patrick , you should join to encourage your fans, [11:13] And the fans of slackware [11:13] O_o [11:13] Linux-IRC, do you actually use slackware? [11:13] Pee into this cup please. [11:13] You're on your knees Linux-IRC and praying to the Subgenius? [11:14] thrice`: Is it possible to make you beleive that?Is there any way really? [11:14] Entulho (n=rena@201-2-234-16.fnsce703.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:14] probably not, my doubts are pretty high :) [11:15] how ca i reinstall lilo to the mbr with the slack live dvd [11:15] ? [11:15] ill come back after i reinstall the distro. [11:15] vicjr: if you really need solid flash supprt on PPC, actually the best hope is for IBM or any other interested party to contribute towards the tamarin engine. I got a mail from MIPS earlier this month about their optimisation work, a native player shouldn't be that far away. last time I tried gnash still used far too many resources compared to Adobe's player, so unfortunately it isn't a viable option on very low-end systems like the ones I [11:15] wohoo , i made it, my first "script" [11:15] thanks for the pointers.. i will build package before compiling and installing [11:17] 1. compile, 2. build package, 3.????? 4. profit!!! [11:17] Azeotrope, mount your root partition to somewhere, ($ mount /dev/sdXX /mnt)), and also mount proc, and bind-mount /dev ($ mount -t proc none /mnt/proc, $ mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev ) , and then chroot into /mnt ($ chroot /mnt /bin/bash) . then, fix lilo [11:17] psychicist: Here are my sys specs... iBook G3 900mhz [11:18] psychicist: Here are my sys specs... iBook G3 900mhz 394 RAM powerpc [11:18] vicjr: that should suffice albeit with high cpu load (about 50%) [11:19] Ok.. thanks everyone ill be back later today with a fresh install and see where i can get. another alternative... which may not work is to emulate x86... which will probably produce studdering... [11:21] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [11:23] vicjr (n=vicjr@pool-71-187-71-242.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [11:24] juoppo (i=58c1712e@gateway/web/freenode/x-tokftiamatfbpjzy) left irc: "Page closed" [11:24] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:25] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] thrice`: Hi [11:25] thrice`: ok. did all of that but my problem is installing LILO [11:26] did you configure lilo? [11:27] thrice`: ok. i did it [11:27] thanks [11:28] Azeotrope, run "lilo" :) [11:29] thrice`: yes, i've read the manual [11:29] or, if you have problems with your lilo.conf, "lilo -v" or even "lilo -vv" will give you a more verbose output [11:30] logged in and tried to adduser but at the end i got: Error useradd: unable to lock password file [11:30] thrice`: Does Patrick Volkerding use Slackware,my doubt is high [11:31] why? [11:32] Linux-IRC, please, stop talking to me [11:32] theres a thing called /ignore [11:32] are you serious??? [11:32] thrice`: Ok, i stopped,if it's possible give me the answer [11:33] thrice`: i can't adduser or useradd because of that error... [11:34] Azeotrope, have you rebooted after fixing lilo, and this is from your actual installation, or still a livecd ? [11:34] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:35] Azeotrope: Do you have other linux system installed with slackware? [11:35] thrice`: the installation on harddrive [11:36] Azeotrope, does this return anything? "ls -la /etc/.*.lock" ? [11:37] Azeotrope, or anything in /etc with a ".lock" ext.? [11:37] strace passwd, see what it tries to open [11:37] wait [11:39] i am on this recovery console... i asked for the root password [11:39] maybe this is why [11:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-trcepmpypivfzluu) left ##slackware. [11:39] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-trcepmpypivfzluu) joined ##slackware. [11:39] cbpye (n=cbpye@h102.107.90.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] thrice`, you've got yourself your first stalker, congrats, you're almost like paris hilton [11:40] An error occured during the root fs check. You eill be given the chance to login in single-user mode to repair the problem [11:41] Azeotrope, show us the output of mount, i'm sure / is mounted in read only mode [11:41] so passed tries to create a lock file, it cant and tells you that missleading message [11:41] rg3 (n=deckard@cm-85-152-206-136.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [11:42] nachox: yes, it is [11:43] I tried to check the filesystem, sais it's clean [11:43] ok, now i have to read up to see what your real problem is since i only caught the passwd problem [11:43] :P [11:44] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:44] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Sounds like / is mounted ro [11:48] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Oh, and I see that you just said that. [11:48] I am in the system maintenace mode [11:49] e2fsk won't don anuything [11:50] i have ext4 [11:50] Hello ppl :] [11:50] Nick change: entulho_ -> Entulho [11:51] Azeotrope, after you run fsck on it, just type "exit" and it'll reboot [11:51] Azeotrope, just "fsck /dev/sdXX" [11:52] thrice`: i did that and i saw for a second that mouunt error in fstab... something about / [11:53] can't find / in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab [11:54] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:54] chroot again? [11:55] or reinstall? [11:55] i looked up runlevel on wikipedia, and it seems like its just a term to determine what mode the system boots up to, but why do they call it runlevel, using the term level, instead of mode, is there something conceptually that im not understanding [11:55] can i get a link to DL slackware please? [11:56] why do you keep chrooting? anything with grub in it can directly boot your slackware if you pass the right parameters [11:56] BoBoYsDaDDa: sure, slackware.com [11:56] BoBoYsDaDDa, just go to the slackware web page and get them yourself. use bittorrent it at all possible [11:57] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left ##slackware ("You make your own luck in life."). [11:57] nachox: i chrooted in and my fstab is empty! [11:57] ComputerNewb: s/mode/level [11:57] ardya: ? [11:57] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:57] forget the word "mode" [11:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [11:58] nachox i am on the webpage and i clicked get slack and all i am getting is indexes. i don't see a .torrent file to dl the .iso [11:58] linu uses increasng levels during bootup [11:59] nvm i found it at top [11:59] what do you mean it uses increasing levels during bootup? [11:59] so it starts from 0, then goes to 1, then goes to 2? [11:59] i read the wiki, it says it just goes to a certain runlevel [11:59] and thats it [11:59] starts at 1 actually [12:00] depending on what its set to go to [12:00] reinstall on the way [12:00] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [12:00] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-trcepmpypivfzluu) left irc: [12:01] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:02] appzer0 (n=appzer0@free.arethusa-vpn.us.to) joined ##slackware. [12:04] Does anyone use slapt-get ? [12:06] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [12:07] Linux-IRC: no. [12:07] Linux-IRC: in fact, we discourage you from using it. [12:07] paissad-hp (n=paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:08] does slackbook cover everything i need to get going with the distro or is there something else you guys would recomend reading? [12:08] thumbs: Why ? [12:08] Linux-IRC: because it's dangerous, unless you know what you're doing. [12:09] thumbs: I have not installed thumbs [12:09] thumbs: But i installed slackpkg [12:09] BoBoYsDaDDa, http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware64-13.0-install-dvd.torrent [12:09] Linux-IRC: slackpkg and sbopkg are good utilities, yes. [12:09] i am DL that already nachox thankyou [12:10] thumbs: I have not installed slapt-get [12:10] Linux-IRC: then don't, please. [12:11] thumbs: Ok [12:12] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:12] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:13] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) joined ##slackware. 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[12:29] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B17097.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:31] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B17097.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:35] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B17097.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@free.arethusa-vpn.us.to) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:37] BoBoYsDaDDa: slackwiki, linuxquestions.... post install in google might give you some too... ah and this http://www.chessgriffin.com/files/docs/slack_sec.txt [12:37] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B17097.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:37] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B17097.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] thanx egregor [12:38] BoBoYsDaDDa: tldp.org too [12:38] antiw: so, did you get selected? [12:39] Qwizie (n=dunno@cpe-24-95-54-134.columbus.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:39] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:39] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [12:39] do you know how to display utf8 in xterm? i can't manage too and tried everything i can conceive. [12:40] djh4u (n=dunno@cpe-24-95-54-134.columbus.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:41] is xterm even utf8 capable? [12:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [12:42] who has a HF rig or shortwave with SSB? check out 14.300 USB [12:43] ardya: i'm using xterm and utf-8 without problems [12:43] egregor: what is your $LANG set to? [12:44] v3gard: good olde en_US... [12:44] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-73-139.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [12:44] olde woul be en_GB :) [12:44] hehe [12:44] no, en_GB is *proper* [12:45] ardya: ya, check uxterm [12:45] I dont use X in slack [12:45] sirslacker_ (n=sirslack@p54B17F44.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:45] without the ".utf-8" prefix i presume? :) [12:45] yea, default [12:46] but, do I need to change the global config file? [12:46] change the value in /etc/profile.d/lang.sh to en_US.UTF-8 [12:46] and add "unicode_start" to your /etc/rc.d/rc.local [12:47] elliot98 (n=elliot@unaffiliated/elliot98) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [12:47] that's how I get utf-8 in my xterm.. there are probably other ways too, but none that I'm aware of [12:48] try uxterm [12:49] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:50] uxterm wont show the characters [12:50] only blanks [12:50] "Also, the console support for unicode is rather poor at the moment, it's more useful in X. There are also other problems associated with Unicode (evaultions in scripts, etc) that you should be aware of before switching." [12:51] its said in linux questions slack faq [12:51] hm [12:52] egregor: what I'm suggesting works, but if you don't have root access to the server I'm afraid you have to try something else [12:53] Linux-IRC (n=Linux-IR@unaffiliated/easy) left ##slackware. [12:53] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: "Leaving" [12:54] you could also try adding export LANG=en_US.UTF-8 and unicode_start in your .bashrc [12:54] konsole works and dont need modfying global configurations. surely there exist a way... [12:54] v3gard: will try this [12:54] thanks [12:55] don't get your hopes up though.. just thinking loud here :) [12:56] haha [12:56] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [12:58] egregor: did it work? [13:02] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E7AEF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] v3gard: will try later [13:04] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) joined ##slackware. [13:04] k [13:05] :) [13:07] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:07] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [13:09] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [13:11] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:16] jhw (n=jhw@p5B3E7AEF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:16] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B17097.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:17] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B164CA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-149-65-81.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:20] hi. Im planning on buying a asus eee pc when the new model with the n450 processor is coming out. anyone with experience with slackware on a asus eee ? is it sell supported and so on? [13:21] we;;* [13:21] well [13:23] slack does support the atom processor now [13:25] When did it not? [13:27] back in 1992 [13:28] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [13:30] "slackware, the best 1995 can offer" [13:30] haha [13:32] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.153) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Pig_Pen: slackware didn't support anything in 1992 :P [13:33] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [13:34] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:35] exactly! [13:36] BP{k}: btw, willing to integrate patches to fix compilation issues with gcc 4.4 in your slackbuilds? [13:36] (it's a trivial one) [13:38] Camarade_Tux: which one? [13:39] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.72) joined ##slackware. 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[13:47] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:48] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:51] Idim: which version of kde4 are you using? [13:54] KDE 4.2.4 [13:55] The official Slackware 13.0 packages. [13:55] jsfspider1010 (n=spider10@152.sub-97-173-239.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] jspider1010 (n=spider10@152.sub-97-173-239.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [13:56] jsfspider1010 (n=spider10@152.sub-97-173-239.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:57] Idim: ok. From what I gathered on the internet, ktts has issues in versions before 4.4, which is unfortunately not released yet (only beta) [13:57] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) left irc: "Leaving" [13:58] Thanks for info. [13:58] linXea (n=slackbox@unaffiliated/linxea) joined ##slackware. [13:59] chuck56 (n=chuck56@66.7.171.116) joined ##slackware. [14:02] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-149-65-81.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-149-65-81.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:03] i had never used kde4 in the past, i'm officially impressed with it [14:04] arcfide (n=arcfide@fl-76-2-117-102.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:04] nachox: What had you used before trying kde4? [14:04] I wasnt [14:04] the latest gnome with compiz [14:04] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:05] nachox: gnome?!?!?! :P [14:05] fire|bird, ? what? it's what opensolaris uses by default [14:05] j/k I know, I have osol on one of my drives. [14:05] that may be why nobody likes it :P [14:06] compiz on solaris? [14:06] nachox: I'm running 4.3.x on linux, do you have it running on osol? [14:06] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:06] no, i installed opensuse on a spare drive [14:07] nachox: tried gnome-shell at all on anything yet? I've tried it on openSUSE, Fedora, and Ubuntu, and on openSUSE it's actually usable. I have openSUSE on my laptop and my one desktop PC. The openSUSE drive on this pc I'm using right now, died the other day. [14:08] nope, i have not tried it [14:08] It's in opensuse's repos, just in case you ever do. [14:08] i cant believe something that novell did is actually usable [14:08] lol [14:08] i have rather limited space [14:08] 9 gb [14:09] opensuse is usually pretty good [14:09] much more than several other distros [14:10] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] mohaa (n=nome@188.115.65.153) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:11] what about redhat [14:12] what about it [14:12] is it good [14:12] try it and see [14:12] whats your opinion? [14:12] I dont venture opinions [14:13] fedora is my favorite gnome distribution [14:13] I try stuff, if I like it, I use it, ymmv [14:13] what do u like [14:13] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) joined ##slackware. [14:13] Ibanez, beer, cigarettes [14:14] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:14] i mean os [14:14] all of them [14:14] they all serve a purpose [14:14] and linux distros [14:15] Someone once asked me what kind of computers I like the best, I replied "one that works". [14:15] is redhat good? [14:15] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.94.227) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:15] try it and see. [14:15] yes, red hat is good [14:15] usr13: someone asked me that once. [14:15] nice [14:15] usr13: i knocked them out [14:15] usr13: nah, it's not funny if they work, you have nothing to fix ;-) [14:15] bah, not everthing that shines is gold i guess [14:15] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:15] they push all new linux features, basically, so sometimes it can too new, but usually is fun to try out [14:15] they all serve a purpose <= i just remember having a free ubuntu cd stabilizing my closet [14:16] opensuse refused to do the autoupdate thing showing a cryptic error message [14:16] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:22] egregor (n=egreg@unaffiliated/lombard) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] evo- (n=evo@e176010150.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [14:22] Azeotrope: what is the IP [14:22] it does not in anyway mean that you can reach the internet using ipv6 [14:22] is it fe80? [14:22] Azeotrope: especially if it says scope link [14:22] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] spook: yes. scope link [14:23] means nothing. [14:23] swap files are not enough for hibernate, right? [14:24] cteg_ (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-204-108.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [14:24] pfff [14:24] swapfiles no [14:24] i can get ipv6 on the ISP lan with wireshark [14:24] nachox: needs to be a partition so you can pass it to the kernel as a partition [14:25] ah, sucks [14:25] well, i dont care [14:25] Azeotrope: well you know best. [14:25] nachox: my eeepc boots fast enough that i dont care. [14:26] spook, i use suspend to ram much more anyway [14:26] Solbu (i=solbu@home.solbu.net) left irc: "En sann venn varmer deg ved sitt nærvær, betror deg sine hemmeligheter og husker deg i sine bønner. www.solbu.net" [14:27] i need ipv6 support until tomorrow [14:27] suspend to ram causes so many problems for me, especially wireless [14:27] or at least it used to [14:27] Azeotrope: until or before? [14:27] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [14:27] english is not my natural language. [14:28] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:28] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:28] Azeotrope: i know. [14:28] when do you need ipv6 support? [14:28] how? [14:28] *when* do you need ipv6 support? [14:28] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:28] by tomorrow? [14:29] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) joined ##slackware. [14:29] tomorrow? [14:29] you have ipv6 support [14:29] what are you asking?? [14:29] so whats the real question [14:29] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.106.97) joined ##slackware. [14:30] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:30] i want to have an Ipv6 address. not a ipv4 [14:31] ok, this falls outside the scope of the channel, but you can get a tunnel acct, or use 6t04, or teredo [14:31] hi to all [14:31] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.68.4) joined ##slackware. [14:31] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.217.179) joined ##slackware. [14:31] hahaha! this is a fun conversation [14:31] hello slackers [14:31] Azeotrope: http://spooksoftware.com/spook/rc.6to4.txt [14:31] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] i've chosen a banner for ssh, " /etc/ssh/sshd_banner ... but it does work, but i would like to know if it's possible to colorize it ! [14:32] Azeotrope: what's your native tongue? [14:32] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [14:32] paissad-hp: no. [14:32] damn it, what a pity [14:32] vastina: romanian [14:32] Azeotrope: oh, can't help you there unfortunately [14:33] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:33] paissad-hp: its just text, theres no formatting. [14:33] all i know about romania is that i've met a couple decent looking ladies from there [14:33] ComputerNewb (n=peter@c-67-180-200-131.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:33] spook: cool [14:34] that person was funny to read earlier [ComputerNewb] [14:34] Azeotrope: that will setup tun6to4 [14:34] spook, yeah, into the banner file, i just put text, .. but i hoped there was a issue to make the banner colorized somehow :) [14:34] vastina: you must be new here [14:34] spook: i must be [14:34] paissad-hp: *sigh* [14:35] vastina: that stuff just makes me sigh/facepalm/headdesk [14:35] spook: i don't know, i *try* to look at the positive, and get a laugh from idiocies [14:35] vastina: ah, i used to be like that [14:36] give it time. [14:36] spook: it oscillates over time, believe me when i say appreciate where you're coming from [14:36] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-76-24.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:37] piccardTE20 (n=j@202.Red-88-8-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] vastina: ah yes, i remember the oscillations. they'll stop in time. [14:37] haha [14:37] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:37] Azeotrope: you might want to have a look at these packages by ardya http://linux.ardynet.com/slack-packs/ [14:38] rk4n3 introduced me to some ion; excellent wm... loving this [14:38] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p54B16C47.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:38] chopp: an i can use ipv6? don't any need anything from my isp? [14:38] Azeotrope: use my script. [14:39] Azeotrope: using HurricaneElectric as IPv6 broker yes. [14:39] cteg (n=heretic@host-091-097-123-049.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:42] spook: do i copy the script in a .sh file and then sh file.sh? [14:43] uh, no. [14:44] you change it to suite you, then chmod +x thefile, then "./thefile start" [14:44] ok. thanks [14:45] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-84-214.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [14:46] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.106.97) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:46] spook: now it appears in infconfig. but the ipv6 address is a ipv6 one [14:46] mine actually [14:47] did you set your ipv4 address correctly in the script? [14:47] jspider1010 (n=spider10@152.sub-97-173-239.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:48] yes [14:48] my external ipv4 address, as it appears on myip.com [14:48] how about the anycast address? [14:49] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-103.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:50] wait [14:50] are you using nat? [14:50] ardya: he quite obviously is [14:51] http://pastebin.org/69968 [14:51] ardya: no [14:51] no nat [14:52] Azeotrope: is that the full output of ifconfig? [14:53] no. i have also eth0 and vmnet [14:53] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:54] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:54] can you post eth0 [14:55] fcaraballo: greetings :) [14:55] arcfide (n=arcfide@fl-76-2-117-102.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [14:56] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.121.250) joined ##slackware. [14:56] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:57] http://pastebin.org/69970 [14:57] mrfabiolo (n=mrfabiol@host88-230-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:58] changing your ip address to 111.222.333.444 was super helpful. [14:58] heh [14:58] lol [14:58] considering that from your 6to4 address i know it is 193.239.140.184 [14:58] ? [14:58] mrfabiolo (n=mrfabiol@host88-230-dynamic.48-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [14:58] ... [14:59] nice [14:59] Azeotrope: i wanted to know if your machine was directly internet facing [14:59] i'm publicly exposed [14:59] if it wasnt, 6to4 wouldnt work. [14:59] you should be set. [14:59] spook: it is [15:00] Azeotrope: doesnt respond to ping :S [15:00] spook: so, ipv4 and ipv6 addresses are related to each other.. [15:00] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] now i can go to myip.com and have the ipv address? or connect to vnc by ipv6? [15:01] spook, i killed ping [15:01] Azeotrope: try ping6 2002:ca59:a790::1 [15:02] does the turtle dance? :P http://www.kame.net/ [15:02] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [15:02] LOL [15:02] who else is trying to get an extremely long........address? lol [15:02] v6CommO (n=cmfodera@wsip-70-167-74-173.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:02] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [15:03] i could make a nice long one [15:03] spook: won;t work [15:03] Azeotrope: then your ipv6 isnt working. [15:04] if your isp doesn't support IPv6, you need a broker. [15:04] :( [15:04] fcaraballo: ola! [15:04] chopp: hes using my tun6to4 script [15:04] spook: ahh ok [15:04] so i can be spied on [15:04] Azeotrope: what [15:05] spook: why's not working [15:06] Azeotrope: well you cant ping another 6to4 address, so its not working. [15:06] try ping6 ipv6.google.com [15:06] that definately wont work [15:06] spook: i tried ping6 2002:c1ef:8cb8::1 and it works [15:06] because that your own address [15:07] :) [15:07] ping6 google won't work.. [15:07] haha [15:08] to get to ipv6.google.com you use 6to4 to get to the anycast address, then native ipv6 to google. [15:08] so if you cant ping me, you cant use 6to4 to get anywhere. [15:08] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:10] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:13] nessundorma (n=mike@78-134-84-214.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:14] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:14] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [15:15] 25 or 6to4 [15:17] Does anybody really know what time it is? [15:17] miller time? [15:17] working 9to5, what a way to make a living.... [15:17] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:18] rworkman: I'm not into time man! [15:18] adamk_ (n=adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Action: nachox works 9 to 6 [15:18] hahahaha [15:18] you guys... [15:18] bout 9:30 or so till about 4:30 or so the past couple of weeks, here [15:19] 9to5 6to4 hahaha [15:19] Artio (n=_@port-92223.pppoe.wtnet.de) joined ##slackware. [15:19] hello All. I trying to build packages from source, and use checkinstall instead of "make install". checkinstall tells me that all is OK, but there's no package.tgz at path that checkinstall tells! what's wrong? [15:19] half past monkey's ass? [15:19] Pig_Pen and I were referencing Chicago songs. I don't know what the rest of you are doing. :) [15:19] rworkman: Chicago knows what time it is [15:19] allright here goes first attempt at a slackware install [15:19] i thought checkinstall was burined with hoffa [15:20] i'm currently practicing my rollerskating shenanigans, balancing on my front two wheels on each skate [15:20] mancha, hehe [15:20] :> [15:20] mancha" burined with hoffa?.. [15:20] s/burined/burned/ [15:21] spook: getting ready to apply for work at Sonic? [15:21] mag0o: no, training to be a roller derby ref [15:21] dfrank,http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Hoffa [15:21] even more fun [15:21] mag0o: very much so [15:22] mag0o: support your local league! [15:22] i meant buried with hoffa (i apologize fo the typo, i'll accept my 40 lashings now) [15:22] jimmy hoffa sleeps with the fishes, or was made in to pet food [15:23] corey (n=corey@adsl-99-56-123-92.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:23] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78.134.121.55) joined ##slackware. [15:24] ok so when i start the setup and type cfdisk it tells me i don't have write permission [15:24] mancha: err.. and what? :) should i try to use it? I have read that checkinstall is better than just "make install" because it creates package and i can simply remove it at any moment [15:24] can't fdisk a cdrom BoBoYsDaDDa [15:24] :) [15:24] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] cfdisk /dev/sda [15:24] most likely [15:24] ah ok thanks i'll try that [15:25] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78.134.121.250) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] dfrank you should consider using the slackware official "makepkg" [15:25] not very experienced with linux btw [15:25] mancha: ok, thanks, i will read about it. [15:26] this can be automated via a simple bash script that put the object code in a specific location (usually this depends on how the Makefile operates), could be as easy as make install DESTDIR=/path/to/where/you/wanna/build or it might take some cp'ing or hacking the Makefile [15:26] ok so i need a / partition and a swap partition can i create a third partition to later install windows on? [15:26] install windows first [15:26] just leave some unpartitioned space [15:26] on my travels through the intartubes i came across a nicely written howto for this written by rworkman, he's here now so ask him for his link [15:27] (at least thats the easiest way ive found) or just use virtualbox [15:27] say good bye to your LILO boot when you install windows, but it is fixable [15:27] mancha: what's that? [15:27] mohaa (n=nome@92.49.75.69) joined ##slackware. [15:27] a howto on writing the ultimate slackbuild script :) [15:27] Oh, there's some stuff I edited on slackwiki.org [15:27] (links from slackbuilds.org/faq/ [15:27] i am almost sure you were the author, if you've not written such a pearl, disregard [15:28] one SlackBuild to build them all!! [15:29] how large does the root partition need to be? [15:29] heh [15:29] BoBoYsDaDDa: thats what she said [15:29] [ in bed ] [15:29] i'm trying to setup a raid 5 with 3 hard drives in the slackware setup and i'm having a bit of trouble [15:29] the root partition should be bigger than the minimum you need and smaller than the maximum you need [15:30] Fenix-Dark: are you sure you want to use raid 5 [15:30] 2 of the drives were previously in a raid, i disabled it and rewrote the partition table so i thought they'd be fine, but when i did mdama --create /dev/md2 --level 5 --raid-devices 3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1 i get the output that /dev/sdb1 is in a raid already, and cannot open /dev/sdd1: device or resource busy [15:30] how can i fix that? [15:30] spook, yes [15:31] Fenix-Dark: dont want to use raid10 instead? [15:31] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [15:31] mancha: "the perfect slackware package" article was not written by rworkman - that is, if you mean the article on linuxpackages.net [15:31] i cant do raid 10, i have 3 drives [15:31] well, 3 drives i want to be in the raid [15:31] i want to keep the os drive separate [15:31] Fenix-Dark: welcome to mdadm. [15:31] heh [15:31] you can make a raid10 with 2+ drives [15:32] i thought raid10 was for even # of drives only [15:32] try --level raid10 -l f2 [15:32] alien, the one i am thiking of was written by either you or him. i haven't been to lp but once or twice and that was only after i saw a debate on here on how evil they were [15:32] Fenix-Dark: its not standard raid10, but it works :) [15:32] ah ok [15:32] and what does the -l f2 do? [15:33] I did not write it for sure [15:33] anyways, my memory sucks, so don't ask me for more details. the silver lining is i can see movies several times (each time as if it were the 1st) [15:33] asamoah_ (n=caio@190.244.48.80) left irc: "leaving" [15:33] -l is layout. f means far stripes, and 2 means two copies [15:33] its faaaaaaast [15:33] swap partition only needs to be double my ram? [15:34] spook, this is for network shares, i dont need it to be superfast [15:34] BoBoYsDaDDa: no [15:34] but i want some redundancy if a drive fails [15:34] BoBoYsDaDDa: this procedure was used during 2.2.x kernel series [15:35] well hell what good is trying to follow the install instructions in the slackbook then [15:35] spook, --level 10 and -l f2 conflict [15:35] ok, thanks to you both, you made me doubt myself, this is the one i was recommending for dfrank: http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script [15:35] That may be rworkman's [15:35] i guess rworkman didn't write it but it seems like he prettied it up [15:35] Fenix-Dark: howso [15:35] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [15:35] psychicist (n=psychici@j0175.upc-j.chello.nl) left ##slackware. [15:35] sahk0 (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [15:36] spook, "mdadm --create /dev/md2 --level 10 -l f2 --raid-devices 3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1" mdadm: raid level may only be set once. second value is f2 [15:36] PhilB (n=me@unaffiliated/philb) joined ##slackware. [15:37] oh it might be --layout not -l [15:37] ok [15:37] ok, i still get my initial errors [15:38] it spits out /dev/sdb1 appears to be part of a raid array... and cannot open /dev/sdd1 device or resource busy [15:38] --force [15:38] k [15:38] still same errors [15:39] vermele (n=vermele@188.25.68.4) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:41] obviously you're doing something very wrong [15:41] its off the livecd [15:41] i didnt do anything yet lol [15:41] can someone link me to a better tutorial since the slackbooks is apparently wrong? [15:42] Wrong in what way BoBoYsDaDDa [15:42] Boby, stop fucking around with partitions. makeone for swap, at least as big as ram if you wanna hibernate. and the rest for / [15:42] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [15:43] kk [15:43] unless you have specific requirements for partitions, which you would know at this point. [15:43] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-93-142.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [15:43] wertik_rus (n=wertik@95-24-154-212.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] rrh_ (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:43] spook, any other ideas? [15:43] Fenix-Dark: have you got a set of scales? [15:44] some examples: people make /tmp a separate partition to mount it noexec (supposedly it helps keep the bad guys at bay - bullocks); /home on separate partition (some want to encrypt personal info w/o having to encrypt the whole system - valid) [15:44] etc... [15:44] spook, what kind of scales? [15:44] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78.134.121.55) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:44] well see ya ;) [15:44] Fenix-Dark: the kind that can be used to determine the heaviest hammer you own [15:44] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-220-251.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [15:45] yes [15:45] you want me to mass my hard drives? [15:45] keeping personal data separate from the "installed system" is also beneficial from the standpoint of re-installation [15:45] and write it off as a boating accident, yes [15:45] so you think there is a hard drive failure? [15:45] BoBoy, if you are keen on setting up some intricae partitioning scheme, spend some hours researching the reasons for the different schemes before installing slackware. [15:46] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:46] Fenix-Dark: no, i just want you to destroy your computer [15:46] Fenix-Dark: something is quite wrong with what you're doing [15:46] spook ok [15:46] rk4n3 just gave another example, you could have /home separate then on a reinstall you'd just nuke the other parts and then go back and tinker with all your ~/config stuff as need be [15:46] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:46] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B5871.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] well i partitioned the 3 hard drives with 1 full partition and set it to Linux raid autodetect [15:47] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [15:47] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-25-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:47] Fenix-Dark: you may have to zero the superblocks [15:47] Fenix-Dark: also make sure no arrays are running [15:47] XGizzmo, good idea [15:47] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: "leaving" [15:48] spook, i created one via the bios then disabled it (and deleted it first) [15:48] evo- (n=evo@e176010150.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [15:48] cat /proc/mdstat [15:48] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [15:48] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [15:48] spook, it shows md0 is a raid 1 with just /dev/sdd1 [15:49] how do i disable/delete that? [15:49] using mdadm [15:49] happy new year [15:49] not quite yet. [15:50] Happy New Year!! [15:50] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [15:50] not quite yet. [15:51] Ok, Happy 'not quite yet' New Year!! [15:51] dont make me repeat myself [15:52] what u'd say? [15:52] dont make me repeat myself :P [15:52] huh? [15:52] Action: spook facepalms [15:52] lol [15:53] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] lol [15:53] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) left irc: "Leaving" [15:53] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] bah [15:53] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [15:54] spook, i did mdadm --manage /dev/md0 --remove /dev/sdd1, and it says the device is busy [15:55] Nick change: cteg_ -> cteg [15:57] stop it first dufus. [15:57] i did, got it working [15:58] i think i'll go with a raid 5 instead [15:58] your loss [15:58] raid 5 nets me 4tB of storage, raid 10 nets me 3tB of storage [15:58] its 3 2tB hdds [15:58] your loss. [15:58] what is the benefit to a raid 10 over raid 5? [15:59] oh no, you're not baiting me into this. [15:59] +5 [15:59] i have to sleep, i have a NYE party tonight [16:00] spook, i'm not being a troll, i dont see why a raid 10 is worth losing 1tB [16:00] look out for that white van down there [16:00] Fenix-Dark: when you lose data due to parity, you'll see why. [16:00] Fenix-Dark: rtfm [16:01] spook, ok i see why [16:01] i think i'll go with raid 10 [16:02] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:02] hdparm doing a timing buffered disk reads gets 107mBps on each hdd with no raid, raid 5 gets it to 62mBps, raid 10 gets it to 302mBps [16:03] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78-134-75-60.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [16:03] spook, thanks for the suggestions [16:03] ness1d0rma (n=mike@78-134-75-60.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: "Lost terminal" [16:05] tsonev (n=tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [16:05] nessundorma_ (n=mike@78-134-93-142.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:11] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.167.125) joined ##slackware. [16:12] spmd (i=loli@CAcert/Assurer/spymod) left irc: "Fui embora" [16:12] mancha: yes! i did "gmake install DESTDIR=/tmp/pkgname", and after this makepkg. All is ok :) thanks [16:13] will 13.0 install allow me to choose to write lilo to partiton boot record? [16:15] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] Kiboney (n=Kiboney@cpe-98-14-234-253.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:21] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) joined ##slackware. [16:23] sublime (n=nuke@66.207.184.38) joined ##slackware. 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[16:34] sorry i don't know how to word it write. i'm at the mouse configuration page of the setup [16:34] yes the touchpad [16:35] it shouldn't matter, just choose the default. x.org will sort it out for you [16:36] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:36] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] yozzer (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:36] yozzer (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:36] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:37] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [16:38] uva (i=bno@118-160-167-6.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:41] ok what did i do wrong???? just finished install and it says operating system not found [16:41] 39 min to e2fsck -y -v -f 750GB partition [16:41] you did lilo wrong [16:41] you did not install/correctly install the bootloader [16:42] you didnt write lilo to mbr [16:42] ok so select option 3 for lilo??? [16:42] ????? [16:42] ease up [16:42] defaults all the way, always been best for me [16:43] BoBoYsDaDDa: is this a dual boot machine? [16:43] it will be when i'm done [16:43] uva_ (i=bno@118-160-164-159.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:43] done what? [16:43] right now i'm just after slackware [16:44] once i get comfortable with that i'm going to have W7 and slackware on it [16:44] BoBoYsDaDDa: really, if you plan on dual booting, you'll want to install windows first, then slackware [16:44] windows installation will, overwqrite mbr. [16:44] ALWAYS put windows on first [16:45] BoBoYsDaDDa, it's true you probably would find it easier to do windows first, but it's not unmanageable to do it the other way around. Just make sure you have a bootable cd or usb around and run lilo [16:45] no problem to boot with install cd and overwrite mbr though. [16:45] no problem for the knowledgeable [16:45] ^^ [16:45] given the scope of his questions, he isnt that ready yet [16:45] first timer, install windows first, then $linux [16:46] right now i am just going to put slackware on. in a couple months when i am comfortable with it i will redo everything and put windows on first then slackware [16:46] BoBoYsDaDDa, do you have two computers? If so, then it's cake because you can ask questions as you go :) [16:46] nachox (n=imarambi@190.51.17.233) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:46] 3 actually but one is running windows home server which is a total POS [16:47] you can still irc from it :) [16:47] incognitus (n=neam@212.233.209.134) joined ##slackware. [16:48] yes i can but it will eventually turn into an htpc after i blow some money on hardware [16:48] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl4-213-103.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:48] hi all [16:48] it's not hard to do, but it's nearly impossible without guidance. bootloaders aren't simple [16:49] ok as soon as i get there i will be back in here with questions. [16:50] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:52] fred_ (n=fred@187.40.167.125) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Nick change: fred_ -> Guest93479 [16:52] dear All. I need to configure hotkeys, and i want to make it work both in console and in KDE. Is it possible? And how should i do that? thanks [16:52] hi all, it is now slack questions, but since i am a slacker, may be u ll tell me where to find the answer. my question is what kind of monitor is better for reading and text working. matted or glanced display [16:53] freud_1956 (n=fred@187.40.167.125) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [16:53] i did an nmap on myself and i have a lot of open ports! i knew i had only a few.. ftp, ssh and a 3-4 other [16:54] basherror (n=basherro@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: [16:54] Azeotrope: want to really scare yourself? lsof -i [16:54] MarderIII (n=marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: "leaving" [16:54] might want to pipe that to grep -v ESTAB [16:54] woaa [16:54] incognitus: depends on your enviroment. I would go mostly for matted. [16:55] well, home, work, may be street coffe, but i search eye comfort for reading, this is the main [16:55] if you work in a dark environment glanced is really really good. if you have lights or daylight, well, depends [16:55] piccardTE20 (n=j@202.Red-88-8-140.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:56] incognitus: do you mean notebook? [16:56] s0d0 (n=sod@host86-175-233-185.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Client Quit [16:56] yes, i can post links with two models if u have time to see [16:58] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [16:58] for work I preffer matte screen. but as I said - depends on enviroment, and your preferences. [16:59] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Client Quit [16:59] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [17:00] qneo http://extensa.acer.laptopi.notebook.bg/laptop-acer-extensa-ex5235-302-g32-mn/specifications/#specifications and http://gelectronic.mymall.bg/products/%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BC-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%BF%D1%8E%D1%82%D1%8A%D1%80-LENOVO-IdeaPad-G550L%252d3-15.6%22-HD-LED-%281366-X-768,-220-nits%29-16:9-Intel-Pentium-Dual-Core-T4300-%282.10-GHz-1-MB-L2-800-MHz%29-%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%82-:-3GB-DDR3-,%D0%A2%D0%B2%D1%8A%D [17:00] 1%80%D0%B4-%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BA-:-320-GB-5400rpm-.html [17:00] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: "leaving" [17:00] holy, what a link. [17:01] tinyurl ftw!! [17:01] i am sorry, i didnt realized [17:01] x-ip (n=sakura@unaffiliated/x-ip) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] redtricycle (n=redtricy@c-24-16-69-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:03] ok i am at the install lilo screen [17:03] ready for anyone to walk me through it please [17:04] err, can anybody tell me about hotkeys? :) [17:04] incognitus: if you can't decide, it's better to try it. you'll see.. [17:06] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:09] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B5871.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:09] Entulho (n=rena@189.72.116.152) left irc: "Vacations!" [17:12] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B5871.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [17:13] nvm i got it working [17:13] had to flip further in slackbook so i understood lilo a bit better [17:13] 8) [17:15] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.6.10) joined ##slackware. [17:16] hrm i built ffmpeg for aac support (faac) but it can't find it [17:16] any ideas? [17:17] cteg, what do you mean you can't find it? [17:17] blinski (n=root@190.202.106.243) joined ##slackware. [17:17] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [17:17] blinski kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: unixfool: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [17:17] *it* cant find it [17:17] oh [17:17] ffmpeg says "unknown encoder" [17:17] ok now i'm at the terminal how do i get to the kde desktop [17:18] startx [17:18] cteg, did you look after it ran ./configure to see if it found the library it needed? [17:18] well, the only chance tio try in these days is in the market, and ... the time of promotion and the counts are little [17:19] i was just looking at ffmpeg -formats, it shows libfaac there and later on: D aac raw ADTS AAC / D A aac Advanced Audio Coding / EA libfaac libfaac AAC (Advanced Audio Codec) [17:19] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.217.179) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [17:20] ah wait...works with avcodec=libfaac [17:20] man the ffmpeg cli is hideous [17:20] but flexible. [17:20] so i am searching advice [17:21] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.25.199) joined ##slackware. [17:21] cteg, indeed. mencoder isn't much easier. Your best bet is often to google for what you want and look for some pre-assembled commands [17:22] exactly [17:22] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@83.225.70.93) joined ##slackware. [17:23] OpenSysHTC (n=vs@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: "Bye" [17:24] incognitus: you could look at any glanced model, to have an impression how that is for you. [17:24] i did that in the apple store one day ;) [17:24] i did it, but i cannot decide, i had only little time and not in proper position [17:25] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] BoBoYsDaDDa (n=fuckyou@host-74-211-43-140.beyondbb.com) left ##slackware. [17:26] incognitus, i'd go back to the store and try again before you drop several hundred dollars on something you don't like. [17:27] ah, here in the market, there is too kind boy who stey on your head and speak stupid things [17:27] o, man [17:27] nooo [17:27] nearly 600 dolars or less [17:34] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:34] what's the command for the RDP client? the terminal one... [17:36] rdesktop [17:36] thanks [17:36] Azeotrope (n=JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [17:37] admasnd (n=amason6@75.21.74.241) joined ##slackware. [17:37] mbohun (n=mbohun@202.124.75.126) joined ##slackware. [17:39] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.172.195) joined ##slackware. [17:40] i need an idea. my dvd writer is writing with 0.1x in linux. trying hdparm with -d1 or -X66 fails. i'm stuck [17:40] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:44] nille_ (i=1000@c-83-233-249-176.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [17:44] startrak (i=1000@79.113.228.183) joined ##slackware. [17:45] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [17:45] startrak (i=1000@79.113.228.183) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [17:46] i'm having a bit of trouble mounting my raid [17:47] i just did a slackware install, and in fstab for /dev/md0 the filesystem is lvm2pv [17:47] and mount says unknown filesystem [17:47] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:47] harls (n=gabba@pool-173-69-205-71.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] never heard of that filesystem type [17:49] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) joined ##slackware. [17:49] what was your mkfs command line for /dev/md0 [17:50] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@corp-190-12-31-106-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.206) left irc: [17:55] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:57] ardya, i used the installer and had it pick ext4 [17:57] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:58] paste the single line from fstab pertainign to your md device [17:58] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [17:58] eh its too late now, i'm trying to recreate the array. hopefully i can get it to work [17:59] anyway, based on what you'd said, the filesystem would have been ext4, not lvm2pv [17:59] whatever that is [17:59] i tried that but it said that the device was mounted [17:59] but it wasnt [18:00] does anyone experienced problems related to memory usage when performing hash check of large files? [18:00] define "problems" [18:00] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:00] high memory usage [18:02] gonzalo_ (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] kukukk (i=1000@188.24.65.204) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:03] ok, thats vague as hell [18:04] linux USES memory [18:04] you WANT it to [18:04] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:04] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-220-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [18:04] hi there [18:04] gm152 (n=quassel@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:05] heh, let me elaborate [18:06] Razec (i=1000@187-27-254-141.3g.claro.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:06] ardya, my raid is setup as /dev/md0. is that the device only or the partition on the device? [18:06] i mean, when performing hash check of a file (resuming a download) my torrent client goes over my physical memory [18:06] not sure if thats the equivalent of trying to mount a drive and not a partition on the drive (like mount /dev/sda not /dev/sda1) [18:07] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) joined ##slackware. [18:08] well 2 x 5 = 10 .... [18:08] oh bah .. hugely lost in scrollback :( [18:08] fail [18:08] shutup. [18:08] :) [18:08] hehe [18:09] aha! [18:09] sirslacker (n=sirslack@p579B5871.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "good night volks" [18:10] Fenix-Dark: its both [18:10] you'd mkfs md0 [18:10] BP{k}: you ... er.. nothing. [18:11] john_dee (n=id@95-29-14-243.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [18:11] Fenix-Dark: OR you can setup lvm on md0 and make multiple volumes [18:12] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] else its a single block device [18:12] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-220-251.33-151.iol.it) left irc: "WeeChat 0.3.0" [18:12] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:13] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [18:13] birdlives (n=lee@pool-173-55-94-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-220-251.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [18:15] ardya, ok well i did get it working :) [18:15] that was confusing me before, whether or not i should use /dev/md0 or /dev/md0p1 [18:15] does anyone know what's the problem? [18:17] tediosu: did something stop working? [18:17] did OOM killer become invoked? [18:17] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:17] if no to both, then there is no problem [18:18] Fenix-Dark: look at lvm if you want to partition that md0 device [18:18] ardya: nope, still my pc getverry slow [18:19] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) joined ##slackware. [18:19] *get very [18:19] I have some 200 files with the naming scheme part***.rar.1 at the end ; I need to get rid of the .1 at the end, would anybody know how to do that in bash? [18:20] ardya, well i ended up using /dev/md0 and its working so i'll leave it at that [18:20] sure [18:20] birdlives: asked in #bash ? [18:20] alright [18:20] thats a lot of warez d00d [18:21] lol [18:21] wanna shar3? [18:21] ToxAtec (n=chatzill@dslc-082-082-143-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:22] Srbo (n=Srbo@93.86.41.152) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:24] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn47.78-99-109.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [18:30] birdlives: for .. do .. done loop combined with mv and basename [18:31] BP{k}: I found a used copy of that book here in Brazil and have ordered it :) [18:32] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [18:32] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:32] niels_horn: nice :D [18:33] BP{k}: Probably will take a few day to get here, but I'll be traveling in January, so that's a good time to read it. [18:33] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: Client Quit [18:33] incognitus (n=neam@212.233.209.134) left irc: "Leaving" [18:34] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [18:34] dfrank (n=dimon@188.134.8.110) left irc: "leaving" [18:38] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:40] alicephilippa (n=alice@89.194.6.10) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:41] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.70.194) joined ##slackware. [18:41] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [18:41] goarilla_ (n=goarilla@199.191-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) joined ##slackware. [18:45] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:20e:8eff:fe20:82d7) left irc: Client Quit [18:45] niels_horn: which book? [18:46] evening all [18:47] TClayton: "The Undutchables" (http://www.undutchables.com/) [18:47] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] because both BP{k} and me are originally Dutch, but now considered "expatriates" [18:47] i'm dutch [18:47] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [18:48] well ... belgium not the netherlands [18:48] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) joined ##slackware. [18:48] but we ought to have been part of the netherlands any way [18:48] packeteer (n=zed@ppp122-57.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:48] Hah [18:48] birdlives (n=lee@pool-173-55-94-134.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:48] goarilla: so you'd have even more fun reading this book :) [18:48] I was born in Maastricht, I consider that a part of belgium that was robbed by the dutch [18:49] alienBOB: now the book? [18:49] hhehehehee [18:49] i went to maastricht a few months ago for a 'company' trip [18:49] niels_horn: looks like a good read [18:49] cteg (n=heretic@dyndsl-085-016-204-108.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: "this is who we are" [18:49] I am not an expatriate niels_horn ;-) [18:49] you know the kind you undertake to strenghten the relationships between colleagues [18:49] Yeah... [18:50] what's it called in english [18:50] admas (n=amason6@adsl-99-132-248-64.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] I drive to Maastricht a few times a week, to take care of my sick mother [18:50] Actually, I'm a mixture or Dutch / German / Italian / Russian ancestry... And ended up in Brazil :D [18:50] hehhehehe :D [18:50] admasnd (n=amason6@75.21.74.241) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] niels_horn: i'm a bastard 2 :P [18:51] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [18:51] I am a quarter belgian anyway, and part french [18:51] yeah me 2 [18:51] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:51] and the french is from walloon --> france --> parts of spain even [18:51] My wife is a mixture or Portuguese / indian / Syrian ancestry. Imagine our kids... [18:51] tavl_ (n=tavl@189.70.149.140) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Oh well, that's the modern world... [18:52] wow historical day. the IRS open sourced the online assets completion form and licensed it under apache 2.0 [18:53] wow [18:53] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [18:53] that's very big [18:53] i watched obama on the detroit plane stuff [18:53] i don't get it [18:53] now they've caught the pers red handed [18:53] yeah, for a country usually dealing with such issues by signing contracts with ms [18:53] this isnt the us btw [18:53] nice, the public library in Maastricht looks cool [18:54] sahk0: UK ? [18:54] GR ;p [18:54] i mean if they've caughed the *terrorists* in the planning stages, failsafes could have been issued by them [18:54] GR? [18:54] germany [18:54] greece [18:54] goarilla (n=goarilla@225.244-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) left irc: Connection timed out [18:54] aaaaaah [18:55] Nick change: goarilla_ -> goarilla [18:55] it'll never happen here tho [18:55] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:56] niels_horn: hehe, I am part dutch, and a little part indonesian :) [18:56] several university professors have made extensive letters for the use of open source in educational and governemental insitutes [18:56] what happens ... the governement signs a few datacenter building contract with MS ... [18:56] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] and it goes down the drain :( [18:57] if it happened here, it can happen everywhere [18:57] no it can't sahk0 [18:57] we have two ISP's here [18:57] the one a cable company that got the exclusive rights for the cable from the governement for 50 years [18:58] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:58] and another one which is still in large parts owned by the state [18:58] ~40% [18:59] Artio (n=_@port-92223.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Client Quit [18:59] this country defines corruption and fraud [18:59] belgium?! [18:59] yes [18:59] afk for a while.... [19:00] i just know its an expensive place to live in [19:00] oda (n=oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: "Leaving" [19:00] i didnt think it was that bad [19:00] it isn't bad [19:00] but it's rotten at the core [19:01] thats due to the economy model. not corruct is almost equivalent to extraterestrial [19:01] s/corruct/corrupt [19:01] no it really isn't sahk0 [19:01] our country has made it a sport [19:02] to copy dutch/netherlands regulations even if they have failed [19:02] have you ever wikipediad [19:02] willy claes [19:02] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.172.195) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:02] Razec (i=1000@187-27-254-141.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:03] when he resigned after the discovery of a bribe of over 50 million francs that was accepted during contract negotiations with Agusta helicopters during the time he was minister of economic affairs. For that he was convicted in 1998, losing voting rights for five years. [19:03] ... it was a lot more [19:03] nimrod (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [19:04] must be the french influence - they are corrupt to the bone :-) [19:04] hello [19:04] but i would go to jail for the rest of my life while he loses his voting rights which is a blessing since voting is mandatory here [19:04] i rather not vote than vote for the lesser of evils [19:06] how do i change windows/manager [19:06] wmconfig [19:06] nimrod: xmwconfig [19:06] slackware 13thanks [19:06] ah yes [19:06] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: "Got some milk stuck in my teeth" [19:07] or change xinitrc's [19:07] ok [19:07] i usualy TAB commands i dont remember lol [19:07] packeteer (n=zed@203.36.227.227) joined ##slackware. [19:08] it's funny my friends always say why would you like to work with a system that has so many different commands, how can you remember it all and how do you type so fast [19:08] i always say [19:08] i'm not really human [19:08] my response time is a lot faster than your species [19:09] while i just tab a lot :D [19:10] lol [19:10] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [19:10] ubergeek [19:10] you don't need to know the command you just need to know how to get to the relevant docs/instructions in ample time [19:10] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:11] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:12] and why it's so hard to learn the Dutch language, "The more you try to learn Dutch, the more the Dutch refuse to speak Dutch to you and the more they complain that you haven't learned it." [19:12] heheheh [19:12] Or u get: Display all 2195654 possibilities? (y or n) [19:12] anyone of you got a link to a free version of that book [19:12] nimrod (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:12] and hit y [19:12] what [19:12] 2 million ? [19:13] j/k lol [19:13] Display all 3556 possibilities? (y or n) [19:13] tediosu (n=blah@217.146.88.13) left ##slackware ("i'll be back"). [19:13] 3858 possibilities here [19:13] i haz more commands than u're [19:14] for a moment i thought you were running the full ... Debian distro which comes on 432 dvd's [19:14] hah [19:14] not my joke tho [19:17] http://www.white-boucke.com/sept.html [19:17] hehehehehehehe [19:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=root@* expired. [19:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:19] nimrod (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [19:20] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-99.gwi.net) left ##slackware. [19:21] pupiteee (n=p@109.93.25.199) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:21] Guest55786 (i=whyzass@rain.tolerantsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:22] admas (n=amason6@adsl-99-132-248-64.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:22] blackcat (i=whyzass@rain.tolerantsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [19:23] Nick change: blackcat -> Guest31706 [19:23] In may be corrupt, but at least the Belgians know how to cook a proper fry. [19:24] fry ? [19:25] fries ? [19:25] Yes, fries. Des frites. Des delicieuses frites faites correctement, frites deux fois. [19:25] chips! [19:25] fries/chips .. patat! [19:25] yes frites are a french belgian invention [19:26] Correct. [19:26] Also, Cramique. [19:26] we sell it in foiled paper cones [19:26] very cheaply and very good [19:26] we have stands that do just that [19:27] Fries, or cramique? [19:27] Fries used to come in newspaper cones, but that's a while back! [19:27] i have no fucking idea what cramique is [19:28] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=root@*' by irc.freenode.net [19:28] Are you Flemish/Belgian? [19:28] yeah nowadays it's special paper [19:28] yes [19:28] Ah. Cramique is an extremely buttery raisin bread. [19:28] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=root@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [19:28] aaah suggar raisin bread [19:28] Apparently, it's kramiek in Flemish. [19:28] you don't put raisins in your bread ? [19:29] never heard of it PhilB [19:29] but we have 'suikerbrood' en 'rozijnebrood' [19:29] and a mix of it [19:29] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:29] which we usually call suggarbread with raisins or raisinbread with sugar :D [19:30] but i'm young i'm sure my grandmother could tell you all about it ;) [19:30] Makes sense. Basically, to make 3 small loaves, you use about a pound of butter! [19:30] egg ? [19:30] and milk [19:30] somebody who know why flash-chat isn't working as it should under Linux? [19:31] Well, yeah, egg and milk too, but the amount of butter is staggering to a non-Belgian ;) [19:31] yeah well back in the war and for a decade of two after the war [19:32] they ate bread with half an inch of butter and salt and pepper [19:32] the days*of the war [19:32] amazon10x (i=captain@liberstation.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] there just wasn't anything else [19:33] alicephilippa (i=alice@89.194.70.194) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] i'm trying to install rtorrent on slackware 13 64-bit. i know i need libsigc++-2.0 as a dep, so i installed that fine (./configure, make, make install). i went to go do the same for libtorrent, but it says that sigc++-2.0 is not found [19:34] Fenix-Dark: use the scripts from slackbuilds.org [19:34] basherror (n=basherro@c-24-19-212-227.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] have you run ldconfig Fenix-Dark [19:34] sahk0, they work on 64-bit slackware? [19:34] maybe it didnt install in /usr but /usr/local [19:35] Fenix-Dark: yeah read the FAQ [19:35] Fenix-Dark: of course [19:35] admas (n=amason6@adsl-99-132-248-64.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:35] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [19:36] nimrod (n=nimrod@176.64.202.84.customer.cdi.no) left irc: "Leaving" [19:36] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] gerrh^^ (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:36] gerrh (n=idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [19:37] usually configure scripts use pkg-config to find out if it's installed [19:37] pkg-config --list-all | grep sig [19:38] but for pkg-config to be able to it needs to install .pyc or .pc files somewhere iirc [19:38] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [19:38] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [19:38] goarilla, its not showing sigc++ [19:38] yeah that sucks [19:38] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.225.14) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Fenix-Dark: as two people have asked: Have you run ldconfig? [19:39] i get this [19:39] kjp@moya:~ $ pkg-config --list-all | grep sig [19:39] i just ran it [19:39] sdl sdl - Simple DirectMedia Layer is a cross-platform multimedia library designed to provide low level access to audio, keyboard, mouse, joystick, 3D hardware via OpenGL, and 2D video framebuffer. [19:39] sigc++-2.0 libsigc++ 2 - Typesafe signal and callback system for C++ [19:39] sorry for the pâste [19:39] PK_CONFIG_PATH [19:39] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:40] PKG_CONFIG_PATH, sorry [19:40] you should check the man [19:40] pkg-config retrieves information about packages from special metadata files. These files are named after the package, with the extension .pc. By default, pkg-config looks in the directory prefix/lib/pkgconfig [19:40] beatzz (n=beatzz@72-48-68-43.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:40] but ardya is right [19:40] check where most of the pc files are and either [19:40] make links or ... [19:40] probably need to add /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig to it [19:41] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:41] edit the env variables that pkg-config accept [19:41] s [19:42] goarilla, i'm not sure how [19:42] The exact error you get from the configure script and the preceding line or two would also be helpful. [19:43] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:43] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:43] "checking for STUFF... configure: error: Package requirements (sigc++-2.0) were not met: No package 'sigc++-2.0' found" [19:43] how do i adjust PKG_CONFIG_PATH? [19:44] PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/path/were/libsigpkgconfigfile-pc-files-are-installed:$PKG_CONFIG_PATH" [19:45] this is what i have [19:45] kjp@moya:~/build/src/svn/mplayer $ echo $PKG_CONFIG_PATH [19:45] /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig:/usr/lib/pkgconfig [19:45] ... or just use slackbuilds.org scripts [19:45] alienBOB, i think i'll give that a shot [19:45] and here you can see i have it [19:45] kjp@moya:~/build/src/svn/mplayer $ find /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ -type f -iname '*sig*.pc' [19:45] /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-2.0.pc [19:46] agentc0re|work (n=jon@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left ##slackware. [19:46] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:46] this really is the first time [19:46] Fenix-Dark: like i said before read the faq about other architectures before using the SBo scripts [19:46] someone has seen my username and hostname [19:48] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:48] alicephilippa (i=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [19:48] don't you guys admit i was kinda helpfull now ... and right on the pkg-config DOLLAR [19:49] fxer (n=fxer@c80-216-143-115.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:50] NthDegree (n=nth@88-107-188-254.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left ##slackware ("Don't follow me"). [19:50] okay, we won't. [19:50] i'm still waiting for it :D BP{k} [19:50] somewhere out there across a pale blue sky ... [19:51] goarilla: better check the temperature in hell first. :) [19:51] :D in Fahrenheit, Celsius or Kelvin [19:51] Action: ardya pats goarilla on the back for elaborating on my env var [19:51] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: "leaving" [19:52] heeej for once i kinda went far into revealing pkg-config secrets [19:52] i really need to clean my pc [19:52] because i need to suspend compile jobs every 15 minutes so my cpu doesn't overheat and locks up my system [19:52] I had to learn it to build/install mulitple alsa/jackd/other apps versions [19:53] yeah me 2 [19:53] goarilla: in Rømer please [19:53] and it's kinda good to know 2 [19:53] it's ubiquitous on every linux [19:53] Romer ? [19:55] paul424 (i=1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201204959]" [19:56] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [19:56] you know what i hate about the big *distros [19:57] except that they are not slackware ;) [19:57] they'll have you install <100 k packages which only include one or two libraries [19:57] but they lack the damn headers to use them [19:57] so you have libxxx and libxxx-devel [19:58] s/distros/debian ;p [19:58] heheheh no fedora and suse [19:58] elliot98 (n=elliot@109.67.26.228) joined ##slackware. [19:58] do they do tht too nowadays? [19:58] hadnt noticed [19:58] yeah they do (fedora i'm sure of) [19:59] elliot98 (n=elliot@109.67.26.228) left irc: Client Quit [19:59] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:00] when all people where saying hdd space is cheap, then came SSD and netbooks... [20:00] i eventually always do get in problem with those distro's though, their package managers seems to have it in for me if i try to install stuff which isn't in their repos [20:00] elektrikz (i=5c351d77@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttabpiraiznqmkkm) joined ##slackware. [20:00] =D [20:02] i would like an ssd but at this price point and at this moment of time ( we really need a spec stable fs for it and updated partition tools) [20:03] it's not really an option imho [20:04] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] PenPerk (n=carlj@174-147-124-115.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. [20:05] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:05] admas (n=amason6@adsl-99-132-248-64.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:08] ok, how long can it take to resize2fs 600GB [20:08] been over 3 hrs now [20:08] PenPerk (n=carlj@174-147-124-115.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:10] chuck56 (n=chuck56@66.7.171.116) left irc: "Leaving" [20:11] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:11] hmmmm nice value was 19, set it to 0 [20:12] lets see if this hurries things up [20:12] nannes (n=nannes@unaffiliated/nannes) left ##slackware. [20:12] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:13] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] CcSsNET_ (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [20:16] why nice it to 19 [20:16] its io [20:18] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:19] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) joined ##slackware. [20:20] straterr1 (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] sirius_isness (n=alpha@CPE00112f696800-CM000a735c1a29.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:20] HI! [20:21] when i start xfce panel reloads like 5 times someone know to what that would be related? [20:21] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) joined ##slackware. [20:22] CcSsNET_ (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:23] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Connection timed out [20:25] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) left ##slackware. [20:25] acidtripper: is there any errors in the logs for xfce ? [20:26] I didnt nice it to 19 [20:26] I reniced FROM 19 [20:27] slysir (n=mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] Scuzz (n=scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [20:27] fhobia, in what error log? [20:27] see ya /close [20:27] metrofox (n=metrofox@ppp-220-251.33-151.iol.it) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.0"). [20:27] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:28] Hello People. [20:28] the stdout or stderr of xfce ? [20:28] yeah still how did it get a nice level of 19 ? [20:29] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:29] fhobia, i can't see xfce on /var/log [20:29] anything appear back in the console from where you did startx ? [20:29] nope, no error on console [20:30] pty1 [20:30] hmm [20:30] what happens if kill that xfce panel and then start it from the console [20:30] does it flip out the same way and maybe show some error messages ? [20:30] lets try [20:31] it starts with no reload fhobia [20:31] hmm [20:32] well, thats about all i can do to help :-P [20:32] nobody else reporting the problem on linuxquestions ? [20:32] i ve seen that too but it happened once or twice a month [20:32] seemed random [20:33] TClayton (n=tony@unaffiliated/tclayton) joined ##slackware. [20:33] mm [20:33] maybe is related in how panel start [20:33] maybe panel is starting 5 or seven times [20:34] i've noted some panel startup issues, i think it might be a timing thing wrt the xorg server [20:35] maybe mancha any idea howto solve it? [20:35] no. but what you describe sounds more like several instances in the session [20:36] try nuking ~/.cache/sessions [20:36] mmm removing it? or modifing? [20:36] or looking [20:36] rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions [20:36] acidtripper (n=gonzalo@190.19.235.226) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:37] (only for acidtripper; kids don't try this at home) ^^ [20:37] arcfide (n=arcfide@fl-76-2-117-102.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] CcSsNET (n=user@c-24-147-193-93.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:40] arcfide (n=arcfide@fl-76-2-117-102.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left ##slackware. [20:40] that command you gave was so deadly he lost his connection [20:42] nah, it wasgood, i bet he comes back to thank me [20:42] 8) [20:42] arcfide (n=arcfide@fl-76-2-117-102.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [20:43] so I see a weird issue with my laptop. [20:44] fhobia, you're right though, he isn't coming back is he... :/ [20:44] at login screen - when shutting the lid down, then opening the laptop, loggin in, it is not possible to start up networking. [20:44] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 restart just hangs. [20:44] wicd hangs too. even reboot just hangs. have to do a hard boot. [20:44] what acpi rules do you have for lid close? [20:45] none, atm. [20:45] none defined by me. [20:45] anything in /etc/acpi/events? [20:45] appzer0_ (n=appzer0@free.arethusa-vpn.us.to) joined ##slackware. [20:45] sQuEE (n=narya@host80.201-252-49.telecom.net.ar) left irc: "fnord!!" [20:46] just one file, default. Contents: [20:46] event=.* [20:46] action=/etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh %e [20:46] everything else is commented out. [20:47] ok, so you have the default slackware acpi stuff, which should have somethig for the power button [20:47] what does dmesg show when you close the lid? and reopen? [20:47] /sbin/init 0 [20:47] that's for power. [20:47] yah, thats for the power button event [20:48] which isn't your case, so now we move on. dmesg after lid close/lid open [20:48] hmmm.... I don't want to lid down/up again, 'coz I'd have to reboot again and it will take time to get going again. :) [20:48] ok then we're done. [20:48] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [20:48] would dmesg get cleaned out after a reboot? [20:48] or can I scroll up and find the last entry? [20:49] dmesg will be gone [20:49] after you open the lid, dmesg > debug.txt, then reboot. the stuff will be in debug.txt [20:49] well what about /var/log/messages ? [20:49] ok, I'll do it now. [20:49] right now can you look in var/log/messages? [20:50] it will be 5 minutes or so if I have to hard boot and relogin. [20:50] checking messages. [20:50] look for entries around the time of the hang [20:50] and /var/log/messages.1 .2 .3 .4 or how many backups are created by default [20:50] nah, just look in the recent one, i assume this just happened to you a bit ago, right? [20:51] that's one long file. [20:51] right just a big ago it hung. [20:51] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-201-047.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:51] elektrikz (i=5c351d77@gateway/web/freenode/x-ttabpiraiznqmkkm) left irc: "Page closed" [20:52] estimate the time, then in your editor search for "Dec 30 HH:MM" [20:52] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:52] put in the estimate time for HH:MM of course.... [20:52] KingTarquin (n=KingTarq@rustybolt.fuzzy-logic.net) joined ##slackware. [20:53] what is in the /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh ? [20:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-149-65-81.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:53] I kept seeing these errors during an fsck, what they mean? http://pastebin.ca/1732564 [20:53] mbohun are you asking him? [20:53] is he gone? [20:54] media error [20:54] yeah i was just wondering what is in his /etc/acpi/acpi_handler.sh file [20:55] mbohun: acpi_handler.sh: http://dpaste.com/139491/ [20:55] sorry had to install wgetpaste quick to post file directly. [20:55] KingTarquin you see the "unc"? that means uncorrectable data error, so the disk is shot, at least that part is [20:56] fuzzix_ (n=fuzzix@109.76.108.102) joined ##slackware. [20:56] one of the entries: Dec 30 19:11:34 chocolat logger: ACPI action lid is not defined [20:56] well that looks like the default one, the only action there is /sbin/init 0, and the rest of the unhandled events just gets dumped into the log [20:56] yeah that is produced by: "ACPI group $1 / action $2 is not defined" [20:56] slackwarebob ok, thats the right place to be looking, the lid no actip deinfed is fine, just means you have no event handler as we already discussed earlier. [20:56] look further down [20:57] mancha: just looking for an error, or something specific? [20:57] something that doesn't look right... [20:57] where $1 and $2 are vars that get substituted with the strings passed to the script [20:58] obviously acpi event are not the culprit [20:59] Dec 30 19:24:09 chocolat kernel: tg3 0000:09:00.0: wake-up capability disabled by ACPI [20:59] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:59] ok that looks bad, and good (in the sense that we're getting somewhere [21:00] Dec 30 19:24:08 chocolat kernel: powernow: This module only works with AMD K7 CPUs [21:00] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:00] would it be alrigth for it be running stuff that only works on AMD K7 but would be ignored on a dell? [21:01] that is not possible - the message says it was rejected [21:01] acidchild (i=ash@noobfarm.org) left irc: "leaving" [21:01] what laptop/chipset do you have? what does /sbin/lspcia say? [21:01] slackware, can you pastebin lsmod for me and lspci [21:01] (same file if possible) [21:02] errara: /sbin/lspci [21:02] also cat /proc/cpuinfo [21:03] http://dpaste.com/139493/ [21:03] that's lsmod/lspci. [21:04] cpuinfo: http://dpaste.com/139494/ [21:04] what is tg3? [21:05] no idea. [21:05] that is the network adapter for wired [21:05] i use that driver on my thinkpad [21:05] i have thinkpad T43 [21:06] nothing that I enabled by hand. Default install. vbox stuff is what I enabled specifically. [21:06] ok, this is a shot in the dark but is that dell laptop module some extra stuff to talk to the dell bios? maybe blacklisting that would help [21:06] dell bios takes like a freaking 1 minutes just to boot. [21:07] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [21:07] tg3 disabled should be alright. 'coz it's used by 0. [21:07] does it let you rmmod dell_laptop right now? 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I've tried kill -9 pid and it won't kill the ncftp session. How do I force it though? [21:17] slackwar1bob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:17] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:17] Hello People. [21:18] did'nt realize, killing dell_laptop killed my wifi. [21:18] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@76.210.60.203) joined ##slackware. [21:19] ok. does that help though? [21:19] try putting dell_laptop in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist (or whatever you blacklist is called) [21:20] does killing dell_laptop help? [21:20] I thought killing it killed my wifi. so I'm thinking it won't allow my wifi if I blacklist it. [21:21] ok, I have put dell_laptop in my blacklist. [21:21] now my question is that since I don't have any acpi rules in event_handlers.sh.... why would my laptop react to lid closing at all? [21:22] hardwired into the bios? [21:22] I mean the kernel would read acpi events, but why would my OS hibernate in any mode at all. [21:22] or maybe it isn't responding at all but my lid is hardwired into the bios. [21:22] some laptops, for example, kill the backlight evenwith no acpi event defined in userspace [21:23] that's why most of the time when I open teh lid, it's not doing anything but all the lights are still blinking. and pressing the power button eventually shuts it off. [21:23] mancha: now, I think we really describe the laptop behavior accurately. [21:23] okay a few things to test, try going into the bios and seeing if there's some kind of power savings menuor options....see if some are toggled on that seem like they could be the source of htis... [21:23] How do I kill a process that won't die with kill -9? [21:24] thats impossible!? [21:24] 8) [21:24] ok, so it's probably better to actually define acpi events for lid, etc.? [21:24] second, try booting with dell_laptop blacklisted... [21:24] Wescotte: try 15 [21:24] that won't matter, even if you define an event, you won't override any hw specified stuff [21:24] mancha: ok, first, let's try the dell_laptop blacklisted and bios checks. I'll be right back in a few reboots. :) [21:24] urban3: no go.. [21:25] slackwar1bob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:25] Nick change: tavl_ -> tavl [21:27] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:29] Baisuoklis (n=Baisuoki@86.100.65.204) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:35] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [21:36] Hello People. [21:36] ok, it boots fine without dell_laptop. It's blacklisted. Not loaded. verified. wifi connected. [21:36] and does the lid give you sugar? [21:37] I will now try it. :) no options in bios. [21:37] nothing under power mgmt. the rest was bunch of blah blah wake on usb, blah blah. [21:37] trying the lid now. [21:38] lid down/up. the only thing it did was lock the screen. the laptop is fine. [21:38] i think we're done here. [21:38] now I will try, lid down, power cable out/ lid up, power cable in. [21:38] that's probably the scenario that craps it out. [21:39] 'coz I move it from one place to another and normally I unplug the cable too. :) [21:39] trying it in 3... 2... 1... [21:39] alkos333 (n=alkos333@173-122-255-187.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:39] digitalaxis (n=Digitala@c-75-67-51-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:39] Anyone here [21:40] ok, it will worked. [21:40] hopefully that's it. [21:40] digitalaxis: few people around. [21:40] laj (n=laj@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:40] mancha: so what made you think the dell_laptop is causing the issue? [21:40] ok guys, i go slackware installed, but everytime i go to my gui (in startx), my monitor connection times out and shuts down [21:40] just a hunch after using linux for many years :) [21:40] but its fine if i stay in normal command line [21:41] mancha: I will monitor it closely to see if it causes any issues. :) [21:41] do i need to update my drivers or something? [21:41] i was looking for something that was triggering some bios specific elements, that seemed likely to be it [21:41] mancha: my gentoo laptop took 2-3 days to setup acpi. lol. [21:41] ANy ideas bob? [21:41] mancha: thanks for your help. :) [21:41] one thing you should check is that the fan is triggered properly that might be a problem we caused by removing that module. [21:42] no problem. :) [21:42] or mancha [21:42] do you have a real-time temp monitor? i think gkrellm and conky do that easily enough [21:42] mancha: hmmm I haven't ever heard the fan go off on this thing. But I'll keep an eye out on it. [21:42] me? [21:42] Oh [21:42] conky doesn't play nice with kde. [21:42] I could try gkrellm. don't know it yet. [21:43] or you can probe it yourself in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone [21:44] digitalaxis sorry, i am out the door, was just staying to see slackwarebob thoruhg his problem...i'll be bacl later. [21:45] damn ok [21:46] 52C. not sure what is the normal temp. lol. [21:46] mancha: thanks. see you later. [21:46] digitalaxis: so you're not able to start X? [21:46] go back to not blacklisting the moduleand monitor the temp fora while, to seewhat is normal [21:46] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:46] No i can start x [21:46] but after like 2-3in [21:46] min* [21:46] the monitor says it cant detect a video cable [21:46] then you'll know what is normal. then you can know if blacklisting it is gonna fry your cpu [21:47] ok, bbl. [21:47] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: "leaving" [21:47] :) [21:47] so nothing comes up on the screen? [21:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [21:48] or does it do normal video but then crap out? [21:48] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [21:49] It does normal [21:49] then craps out [21:51] that's weird. no idea why it would do that. [21:51] maybe upgrade drivers. [21:51] other than that, probably #xorg might help more. [21:52] dios_mio (n=test@88.241.137.152) joined ##slackware. [21:53] brotherz! [21:53] yooo [21:55] deximat (n=deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Howdy [21:58] :D [21:59] gar0t0: hey man, how's it going? [21:59] fire|bird: I`m fine, drinking beer here :) [21:59] new year, new drink [21:59] :D [21:59] fire|bird: and you ? [21:59] :) [21:59] gar0t0: doing excellent, thanks. :) [22:00] fire|bird: I have one friend here!! visit me [22:00] I win him on warcraft and now us drink beer [22:01] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:03] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] masterx831 (n=masterx8@28.178.33.65.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] HEllo all [22:05] hello [22:06] jar_corefile (n=jar_core@76.210.60.203) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] xskoulax (n=Chris@sutton-family.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:10] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] what is the player that runs without X? [22:10] mplayer [22:11] workbone [22:11] mpg123 !! [22:11] and there is amp too [22:11] mpg312 [22:12] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.17.233) joined ##slackware. [22:12] gar0t0: s/mpg312/mpg321 [22:13] tank-man (i=1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [22:14] ogg123 [22:14] aplay [22:14] mpg123/321 [22:14] I'll give mplayer a shot because i need music while i compile X [22:14] mpg321* ?D [22:14] ;D [22:15] Action: masterx831 thinks it is impossible to compile X in human perspective [22:15] how many days does it take? [22:15] I bet you all of you had never compiled X maybe by runnign some script [22:15] dios_mio: I'd bet you i will have it done by tonight [22:16] I've built X on a 486 pfffft [22:16] I'll always like cmus and mocp for barebones no X. [22:16] compile fast too. [22:17] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:17] see you latter [22:17] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "rah" [22:17] lol ardya lol i don't mean stupiud packages lol if you notive slackware 13.0 runs more stable in sources [22:17] well in linux [22:18] slackwarebob: they have cmus and mocp in slackware, and how is it? [22:19] in the terminal, im in root@neosap:/nvidia-driver# [22:19] but how do i get to just root@neosap [22:19] dios_mio: lol just type cd [22:20] i mean [22:20] lol not dios mio but ty [22:20] digitalaxis: [22:20] lol [22:21] ks03 (n=stanking@67.18.176.16) joined ##slackware. [22:22] What is the latest version of Xorg 0.o [22:22] who said anything about pkgs [22:22] 7.5? [22:22] ardya: most people uses pkgs for easy way out to not learn anything about linux [22:23] and that had what to do with my building X? [22:24] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:25] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-67-191-58-46.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] Action: danc3 decides to learn C programming, starting tomorrow [22:26] Action: arcfide throws "The LIttle Schemer" at danc3. [22:26] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [22:26] eh? Is that a tutorial or sumpin'? [22:27] danc3: It's your gateway to Enlightenment. ;-) [22:27] oh [22:27] pupiteee (n=p@79.101.225.14) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:27] In a way it is a tutorial, but it's a book. [22:27] Though C isn't really a part of it. ;-) [22:28] pupiteee (n=p@93.86.242.215) joined ##slackware. [22:28] oh dude man bro wtf gtfo [22:29] I'm RDP'd into a system right now which took a power hit and corrupted the main quickbooks DB [22:29] We were on the brink of fsckedness but it seems all is ok now. [22:30] BP{k}: hey, Are you the maintainer or wireshark @ SBo? [22:30] raph0x88 (n=raph0x88@189.13.125.64) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:30] QuickBooks? [22:30] That's utter poo. [22:31] listen lady [22:31] I just support the servers. They no tell me nuthing [22:32] Just sayin' [22:33] antiwire: yes, got 1.2.5 ready for upload [22:33] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:34] BP{k}: awesome, that was part of what I wanted to talk about ;) [22:35] antiwire: I figured :) [22:35] The other part is that alienBOB has a slackbuild for libportaudio. It is an optional dep for wireshark which enables the ability to decode and listen to VoIP/RTP calls. [22:35] I used alien's portaudio build and and then rebuilt wireshark 1.2.5 and it worked [22:35] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) left irc: Operation timed out [22:35] and and/and [22:35] antiwire: Did you need to change anything to the build? [22:36] nope [22:36] libportaudio is just an optional, autodetected build time dep [22:37] it just needs to be installed and the WS build finds it and enables the rtp-player [22:37] nice :) okay, wireshark submitted :) [22:37] cool [22:37] straterra (n=straterr@fuhell.com) joined ##slackware. [22:38] So my point was that maybe one of us can submit a portaudio build so you can list it as an optional build time dep [22:38] because sniffing and listening in to VoIP calls is rad ;) [22:39] antiwire: this is interesting. I'll have to play with it myself. [22:39] antiwire: submit away ;) [22:39] \o/ [22:39] Action: chopp haz voip [22:39] antiwire: if you submitted and it's accepted in the queue, let me know and I'll add a note to the README. [22:39] I use this wireshark ability at work all the time. It can decode all kinds of VoIP traffic and gives nice graphs and session build up info [22:39] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.149.140) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:40] BP{k}: I'll consult with the alien one first. Anything I do will be based on his working example. [22:40] hell, he might even want to submit it himself [22:41] antiwire: so did you get selected? [22:41] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/development/portaudio/ [22:41] lol this is bull crap [22:41] What's wrong with that one? [22:41] what the hell. [22:41] rworkman pwnd me [22:41] sorry [22:41] shonudo (n=user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:41] PortAudio... ugh. [22:41] ardya: nope [22:42] Action: Motoko-chan needs to make a new rpm build to fix the bug it has with mplayer [22:42] BP{k}: i r idiot [22:42] antiwire: I like to call that HUA. [22:42] ;-) [22:42] I searched for libportaudio and gave up to quickly [22:42] too* [22:42] hrm [22:43] Added to the tags. [22:43] cool [22:44] so now BP{k} *really* can add it as optional build time [22:44] :) [22:44] tavl (n=tavl@189.70.136.128) joined ##slackware. [22:45] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) joined ##slackware. [22:46] slackwarebob (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:47] digitalaxis (n=Digitala@c-75-67-51-154.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:48] BP{k}: also, lua is an optional dep too [22:48] whoa! 0.o tar -jxvf xorg-server-1.7.1.tar.bz2 [22:50] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:52] wtf... is the matter with xorg-server <--- no README file how do they expect us to install it 0.o? 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[23:21] get the fonts, pixman, openssl, mesa, hal, the keyboard stuff and compile away [23:22] mancha: Do you have any experience with the Intel 945GM mobile graphics chipset? [23:22] good/bad/ugly? [23:23] nope [23:24] bobby_ (n=bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Nick change: bobby_ -> slackware [23:25] Nick change: slackware -> slackwarebob [23:25] Hello People. [23:25] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [23:26] retsudo (n=retsudo@unaffiliated/retsudo) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] Fenix-Dark (n=lkjl@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:28] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.247.83) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:36] andarius (n=andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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