[00:00] that troll couldn't even troll us [00:00] of course, only real men can handle a goot waffle [00:00] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:00] what a failure [00:00] yeah who needs kickbans when we can just waffle [00:00] Action: Soul_keeper don't eat windows waffles :) [00:00] yet another proof of the legendary powers of waffles [00:00] lol [00:00] they are great :) [00:03] i swear to god some of you guys must IRC for living here or something [00:03] a living? waht is that? [00:03] s/waht/what/ [00:04] lw0x15_: much like you, you mean? ;) [00:06] Action: Soul_keeper thinks ananke is a retard [00:06] BP{k}: just doing my coursework :]] [00:07] man, im waiting for my father in law to go to sleep so i can snatch their laptop and take the slightly faster processor out of it and stick it in my laptop [00:07] but he just keeps on reading on the couch [00:07] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: "Leaving" [00:08] give him some rum [00:08] stitchman: lmao [00:08] all ive got is wine [00:09] well as long as i get to bed by 1am i should be ok [00:09] just gotta wait [00:10] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:13] wtf go to sleep! if he didnt take 2-3 two hour long naps in the middle of the day i would totally be violating that laptop, taking its 2ghz goodness for my own [00:14] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:16] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:17] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:19] otherwise, if i change /proc/sys/vm/swappiness do i need to reset or reload any proccesses or daemons in order for the kernel to handle swap the way i want? [00:20] this is so cool http://pandora.bluwiki.com/go/Image:Fluffy16.jpg [00:20] runs ubuntu , quake3 [00:20] :D [00:20] I'm intrigued [00:20] what is that a psp? [00:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:21] http://pandora.bluwiki.com/ <-- has specs [00:22] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] 802.11g (Wi-fi) included. USB host included. [00:22] http://openpandora.org/ [00:22] hehe pandora awesome [00:23] yeah [00:23] it is nearly like a psp [00:23] but cheaper and runs linux [00:23] just looks cooler [00:23] :)) [00:23] has a qwerty keyboard!! [00:23] :D [00:24] interesting TI arm system on a chip ... [00:24] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:24] duryodhan: you can get PSP cheaper than pandora [00:25] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] "Solder pads were designed into the PCB for "hacking" in extra internal hardware." [00:25] ohh [00:25] probably gpio's and jtag [00:26] signal11_ (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.255.199.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [00:26] thermonuclear input points !! [00:27] duryodhan: yeah it is a bit cheaper but then you gonna end up buying games and memory cards and then it ends up costing more [00:28] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:31] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:31] lw0x15_: well you can play better games on it ... [00:33] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.87.213) joined ##slackware. [00:34] i want a PS3 but they are still insanely expensive [00:35] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "ZzzZz" [00:36] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) joined ##slackware. [00:37] ive been using slackbuilds and i noticed its installing into /tmp/SBo [00:37] can i relocate that folder? [00:37] yes. [00:38] thx [00:38] they dont install there. they are moved there after/during the build [00:38] TMP=/path/to/whatever ./prgnam.SlackBuild [00:38] or export TMP=/path/to/somewhere [00:38] ahh thx [00:38] metasploit does [00:38] nullboy, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28895353/ [00:39] d0htem: it only installs into a DESTDIR in /tmp/SBo .. which is used to make a packge. [00:40] the problem was a ruby program [00:40] its just a folder not a cmd tool [00:40] it did install there [00:40] unless i have 2 [00:41] you can safely remove /tmp/SBo after the build is done [00:41] d0htem: let me ask you this: where would you set /tmp/SBo too? [00:41] signal111 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] ~/? [00:42] why? [00:42] /tmp is for temp stuff :) [00:43] chubs (n=joseph@c-71-232-44-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] signal11 (i=esteban@host197.quaddro.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:43] not if slackbuilds are installing program into /tmp [00:43] and it just did [00:43] Action: BP{k} sighs [00:43] lol [00:43] Nick change: lw0x15_ -> lw0x15 [00:43] they only install there for the build. as noted you can safely remove that dir after [00:43] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/framework/ [00:43] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-163.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: "BitchX: treats external genital warts!" [00:44] u cant remov ethat folder.. [00:44] d0htem: it installs into a *TEMPORARY* DESTDIR. Which is used to build a package from [00:44] yes you can [00:44] paying attention fail [00:44] install it plz [00:44] dont worry about postgres or rubygems [00:44] u will see [00:44] someone did a build for that. [00:45] Action: andarius will try one more time. that is the build dir. you must install the resulting package to get the app installed correctly. the /tmp/SBo is for the build ONLY [00:45] w.e. should of just svn'd thx for the help anyways [00:46] i just use svn for metasploit [00:46] i didnt feeling like wasting hdm's bw [00:46] feel* like [00:46] well thx again [00:46] d0htem (n=d0htem@unaffiliated/d0htem) left ##slackware. [00:46] what's an hdm? [00:47] Action: andarius was lost a while back :( [00:47] well clearly he's an idiot. [00:47] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-182-209.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:47] metasploit is a trip though [00:48] BP{k}: or just really confused [00:48] regardless of what it is etc .. I doubt we would distribute any scripts that would require $TMP to be there. [00:48] as in .. at run time. (ie not compile time) [00:49] Action: BP{k} goes back to playing with perl modules [01:02] signal11_ (n=esteban@dialup-4.235.255.199.Dial1.Orlando1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:06] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [01:07] andarius (n=andarius@c-24-30-74-132.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "to say "this guy is the fucking master" and mean it is not an easy thing to do ;)" [01:12] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:15] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] if most of the ports on the system are closed [01:15] can i still ssh into my box ? [01:15] or connect to it by any other way [01:17] lowkyalur (n=low@icm10-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:18] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:19] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:19] set ssh to use another port maybe [01:20] guess you would need physical access though [01:21] will 80 do ? :)) [01:21] it doesn't matter which port it listens on as long as you pick on that isn't already in use [01:22] one [01:26] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:30] Ello Ello. [01:33] amorette (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) left irc: "Leaving" [01:34] Nick change: dtanner_ -> dtanner [01:39] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-172-163.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:41] so apparently my motherboard doesnt support the slightly faster processor of my in-laws laptop, even though they are the same make and model of lappy :( [01:42] amorette (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) joined ##slackware. [01:44] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [01:45] sux [01:47] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [01:47] recordmydesktop is rad [01:49] can you pick which desktop to record. [01:49] there is also a ffmpeg plugin called xgrab thats ment to work good. [01:49] lowkyalur (n=low@icm10-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:50] you cna choose display but not desktop [01:50] SharkBait (n=Iles@124-170-178-101.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Are there any iptables guru's in the house? [01:51] nullboy: wicked. works good? [01:51] SharkBait: sup [01:52] yeah works nice here and there are SBos for it [01:52] alot of deps? [01:52] =O [01:52] i just tested it with my MIC for audio in [01:53] nope no deps listed [01:53] but use the current version, not the version posted at sbo [01:55] acidchild: So far i have my [router/modem] -> [Firewall/gateway] -> [Switch] -> [Home pc's] Ok, now im looking to create a rule allowing the [ Home pc's ] to be assigned ip's through dhcp from [router/modem] instead of having to set up and configure a dhcpd server on the [Firewall/gateway] ( If that made any sense ) [01:55] sure, brb toilet [01:55] =P [01:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [01:58] back [01:58] SharkBait: you have a public ip range? [01:58] does anyone know if its possible in bash to clear the tab completion printed list like it happens in zsh? and how? [01:58] clear? [01:58] :P [01:59] acidchild: the public ip range my router/modem gives is 10.1.1.0/255 [02:00] i'm confused [02:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:00] oh so you have a firewall and a router/modem NAT gateway? [02:00] so two layers of NAT? [02:00] (you know how silly that is to do? ) [02:01] why don't you plug your modem directly in to your gateway? [02:01] Yes, but the modem i do have got screwed from a powersurge way back so im stuck with those router/modem all packaged into one =/ [02:01] or is it a all in one thing? [02:01] Its a router/modem package yes [02:02] you want to forward dhcpd requests over your linux router box? [02:02] Yes, to the nodes behined it [02:02] i see i see. [02:02] nullboy: any idea how you'd do that? lol [02:02] a dhcp rely agent on the firewall [02:02] but wtf man [02:02] yeah [02:03] i'm sure you could turn your modem/router in to a modem only [02:03] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeiy90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:03] they sometimes call it 'bridge mode' [02:03] or 'router' not 'gateway' [02:03] Ill give it a whirl, brb [02:03] on linksys maybe [02:04] that's just messy though [02:04] yeah. [02:04] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] Ok, NAT is switched of and the router is acting just as a modem.. [02:05] perfect [02:05] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:05] there you go [02:05] =P [02:05] now do all the routing/filtering/gateway stuff on the device you labeled as [Firewall/gateway] [02:05] nullboy: its a toilet with netbsd on it :-P [02:06] lol [02:06] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:06] 10.1.1.0/255 ?? [02:06] chubs (n=joseph@c-71-232-44-72.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:06] hm, that makes it easy to flush the routing table... [02:06] rob0: indeed [02:06] haha. [02:07] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=186 [02:07] lol [02:07] Microsoft Vacuum Cleaner :: The first MS product which does not suck. [02:08] MSHoover v2.1 [02:08] 1.0 wouldn't turn on [02:08] Why does google still have google videos and youtube? [02:08] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [02:08] contracts. [02:09] rob0: i went to a hosting review networking event tonigh [02:09] was awesome... [02:09] open bar :] [02:09] hey! :) [02:09] met alot of people [02:09] 2 job offers doing botnet destruction [02:10] ... Can't remember anything anyone said because of the open bar ... ;) [02:10] hahah [02:10] nullbog: Now that the router/modem bundle is acting as a modem, will each pc behined the gateway need a static ip? [02:10] i was respectful, i shouldn't have been [02:10] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) joined ##slackware. [02:10] nobody was drinking beer apart from me... [02:10] the place was SOOO nice... i'm sure its really expensive normaly [02:10] acidchild: whaat [02:10] http://www.sevenl.net/blog/?p=268 [02:11] acidchild: usually linuxers are the ones who drink beer [02:11] always [02:11] unless there werent that many of them [02:11] it was all suit and tie crowed. [02:11] or they're muslim [02:11] acidchild, were you wearing a monkey suite too? [02:11] nar just shirt and jeans. [02:11] i don't do that shit really [02:12] lol [02:12] was it awkward? [02:12] no not at all. [02:12] was excellent. [02:12] nullboy: thanks for that link [02:12] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1219 [02:12] hahaha [02:12] lol [02:13] the guy who put his business card in the box BEFORE me won the iphone 3G [02:13] bastard >.< [02:17] SharkBait: you get it working? [02:18] acidchild: oh man that sux [02:19] -shrugs- its okey :-) [02:19] i'll buy myself one hehe [02:19] is that site stuff from ##slackware only ? [02:19] Action: lw0x15 doesnt like iphone anyway [02:19] duryodhan: that and DarkScience. [02:19] would be a nice sell on ebay tho [02:19] lw0x15: i have a Blackberry :-/ [02:20] nokia n95 8gb ;> [02:20] :-) [02:20] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [02:20] Action: duryodhan never knew ##slackware had so much drama [02:20] hahaha [02:21] oh last night was massive drama. [02:22] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:23] IRC Drama kind of sucks [02:23] it never hurts anyone. [02:23] Anyone has figured out the minimal set of packages in X serial to get X window to work ? [02:25] Karu_ (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:25] pip: install Slackware 3.5 or so, that ought to be minimal enough :) [02:25] don't do that :-( [02:26] aw, I was bein' silly, surely everyone knows better than that [02:26] Urchlay: not practical to me [02:26] okay : ) [02:27] :P [02:28] you could figure it out for real by running ldd on /usr/bin/X and /usr/lib/libX11.so [02:28] find out what package(s) contain whatever libraries they depend on [02:29] pb.slackware.it [02:29] maybe [02:29] ...and likely there are some other required /usr/lib/libXwhatever.so libs for a minimal but functional X setup [02:29] pip: you could install a _very_ mininmal install [02:29] and use slackpkg [02:29] = [02:30] acidchild: how to do that ? [02:30] slackpkg [02:30] slackpkg [02:31] slackpkg update [02:31] slackpkg install x [02:31] or smthin [02:31] yep [02:31] that would give you everything in x tho [02:31] pip: you should write a blog entry on the how to do a minimal X install [02:32] acidchild: yes, that'll be a great contribution to the slakware community [02:33] acidchild: slackpkg install x is a full installation of all packages in X serial [02:33] yes it is [02:33] yeah, but you probly don't want everything [02:33] Especially the fonts, I want a minial set of font packages [02:33] you could just type the app name of course [02:33] yeah [02:33] *minimal [02:33] slackpkg install-new [02:34] anyone want to trade me an SSD drive for a 160GB SATA 2.5" 5400 drive? [02:34] why? [02:34] no [02:34] i need an SSD [02:34] not that i have a SSD [02:34] go buy one ;P [02:34] i have so many random drives laying around [02:35] if anyone has an SSD i'm interested [02:35] sell them on ebay [02:35] SSD is expensive. [02:35] nullboy: i have a box full of them [02:35] =) [02:35] they are for my embedded device projects, i can probly get you one for a good price [02:35] Solid Sata Drive ? [02:35] solid state [02:35] state? [02:35] okay [02:36] they are wickedly quick [02:36] SharkBait (n=Iles@124-170-178-101.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:36] great for /boot [02:36] Yes, solid state sounds right [02:36] not for /var/ [02:36] i just need it for my laptop. it gets bashed around a lot [02:36] How fast is it ? [02:36] how many rewrites can you do on a SSD? [02:37] http://www.ocztechnology.com/products/flash_drives/ocz_sata_ii_2_5-ssd [02:37] acidchild: these are like the little modules that plug into an IDE slot and show up as a plain drive? [02:37] SATA slot [02:37] SharkBait (n=Iles@124-168-136-199.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:37] yes [02:37] probably have IDE too [02:37] yes but why do IDE [02:37] I've got an IDE one [02:37] when solid state can do wicked quick [02:38] well, in this case, because it's for a weird little device with no SATA [02:38] its probly got a max read/write limit too [02:38] the new ones don't [02:38] an Atari 800 cartridge, one end plugs into the Atari and the other end has an IDE connector [02:38] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:38] the old ones you can't do logging to, it just kills them, like USB flash drives [02:38] ugh, yeah [02:39] or swapping to the SD card on a Zaurus... [02:39] (which I had to do once, to get something or another to compile) [02:43] the fun ones were the little DIP chips called "disk on chip", that only worked on weird motherboards with a socket for them (which apparently were all 486s) [02:47] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) left ##slackware. [02:48] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:51] Would anyone be able to point me in the right direction for a good guide for setting up a home gateway? [02:51] which package contains the libgl ? [02:51] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [02:52] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.87.213) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:56] mesa... unless you've installed the proprietary nvidia or ATI drivers (they replace libGL) [02:58] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [02:59] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [03:06] Since when did you get 21 questions outputed to you when trying to compile a kernel *with* a pre-made config file? [03:06] did you run make oldconfig [03:06] sure did [03:07] SharkBait from which version to which? [03:09] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:10] slackj: I downloaded the fresh stable version of the kernel, make mrpropper and get outputed a bunch of options [03:11] "make mrproper" deletes the .config [03:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:12] Urchlay: But then, doesnt it input its own basic set of options configured by pat into the config file? [03:13] not if you just deleted it :) [03:13] but there's a copy of it in /boot [03:14] shit why cant i create new folder on my memory stick [03:14] ;s [03:14] e.g. /boot/config-huge-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [03:14] says read-only [03:14] usually it just works [03:14] copy that to .config in the kernel src directory [03:14] or you can use your running config: zcat /proc/config.gz > .config [03:14] do that after mrproper and before oldconfig [03:15] err, and you really probably want /boot/config-generic-smp-2.6.27.7-smp [03:15] Makaveli_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [03:15] cmon..i got college in few mins :( [03:16] (Sl|M)a(ch|k)i?avell?i [03:17] this is so uncool :< [03:19] Karu_ (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:19] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left irc: Connection reset by peer [03:21] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:22] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:23] lw0x15: su and create one [03:24] mkdir: cannot create directory `Unit': Read-only file system [03:24] Urchlay: I want to build my own kernel based on my systems specs, would it be best to start with the original slackware kernel and build it up from there or copy the config from the generic kernel and just take things away? [03:25] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:25] SharkBait: I'd start with the slackware one myself [03:26] but either approach is valid [03:26] SharkBait: aren't both the same ? [03:27] isn't the original slackware kernel the generic kernel ? [03:27] I'm guessing "based on my system specs" means more like "disable everything I don't need" rather than "enable stuff I need that wasn't already enabled" [03:27] Pretty much [03:27] duryodhan: the kernel source is the generic kernel. The config isn't the generic kernel config though [03:27] ... [03:28] the kernel source is the huge * huge * huge kernel. [03:28] no .. the kernel source is teh kernel source [03:28] the various kernel packages come with their own configs [03:28] :D [03:28] SharkBait: well, probably safer to start with Pat's kernel and strip out the bits you don't need [03:28] Ok, cheers [03:29] duryodhan: I think maybe I misread his question [03:29] by "generic kernel" I thought he meant the default .config you get if you download the kernel source, run "make menuconfig", and edit/save without changing anything [03:30] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:30] (or if you "make defconfig", if that's the right target for it.. I've forgot) [03:31] Is the command " slackpkg install x " to install the entire x serial packages ? [03:31] no. [03:31] is there such ? [03:31] installpkg /path/to/slackware/x/*.tgz < that will [03:32] I see [03:32] Urchlay: yeah. . but no one calls it the generic config iirc [03:32] probly not [03:32] pip: theres also a install-packages.sh in each /a/ /x/ etc [03:33] well, I used to call it that, years ago :) [03:37] anyone know why Pat has now started releasing with the latest 2.6 kernel ? [03:38] when a year or twoago he used to send out 2.4 kernel [03:38] pip, you do can do 'slackpkg search x/X11' to see a list of packages that match a pattern - be aware though that it might not show everything [03:38] duryodhan: he has done that at least 2 years now [03:38] I know .. but what happened to the whole conservating philosophy ? [03:38] have you looked at the amount of changes going on in the kernel ? [03:38] kernel versions work differently now [03:39] eh ? [03:39] how does it matter how the versioning works? [03:39] duryodhan: -current usually has the latest stable kernel, -current gets constantly tested for problems, -current becomes the next version of slackware. its not like this stuff isnt tested. [03:40] my point was that there is too many changes happening and not enough testing [03:40] duryodhan: because there wont be a 2.7 or 2.8 [03:40] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-780dbfb1942a353b) joined ##slackware. [03:40] plus EVERYONE ELSE using the 2.6 kernel, who mostly feedback into bug fixing [03:40] spook: I know .. [03:40] yeah .. and I agreee 2.6 is fine [03:40] apparently [03:41] but 2.6.22 was where he could have stopped [03:41] whereas in 12.2 he has given something like 2.6.27.4 or something [03:41] which is pretty damn new [03:41] 2.6.27.7 [03:41] ok [03:41] there are alot of improvements worth having in 2.6.27 [03:41] like ? ext4 isn't there right ? [03:42] ext4 was moved out of experimental in 28 [03:43] ohh ok [03:43] anyhow lets continue this later [03:43] I gotto run [03:43] :( [03:43] Action: duryodhan is away [03:43] there were plenty of times in prev slackware, where the kernel was reverted to an older one before release [03:48] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:49] greetings [03:49] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:49] moning [03:50] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: "Saindo" [03:50] dive: how are you this fine morning? [03:50] spook: greetings [03:50] not bad thanks [03:50] Action: The-Croupier waves at everybody [03:50] The-Croupier: hi [03:51] i read a small part of your conversation before the guy quits..didnt really get it much though...sounded like there is a contradiction on whether to run slackware with updated kernel... [03:51] is that right? and why not???? [03:55] beej71 (n=beej@zork.zork.net) joined ##slackware. [03:55] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [03:56] vinnie_ (n=vinnie_@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [04:00] i trust pat to choose the right kernel that fits in with the rest of slackware. [04:00] i.e; it has cool features, but stability is more important [04:01] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:02] dive: have you tried that command ? [04:02] it's a fine line he's gotta walk [04:02] and he's good at it [04:02] pip, yes [04:02] pip, are you planning to upgrade your x series? [04:04] what's the minimal set of font to get x window to work ? [04:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:05] hmm, anyone know why my middle click stopped working? every other button works fine [04:05] and it was working fine when i logged in (so it can't be related to the xorg.conf) [04:05] You haven't sacrificed any goats to the GNU gods lately [04:06] thhp (n=tom@87-194-180-175.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [04:06] :( [04:06] Action: acidchild can't sleep :-( [04:06] pip, not sure... might be Type1 [04:07] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [04:07] dive: I'm installing x serial, but not all of them, just trying to get a minial set [04:08] necr0mancer (n=necr0man@c-76-98-108-129.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [04:10] edman007: I actually have a kensington trakball whose middle button somehow got shorted to the left button, so middle-clicking results in a left-click [04:10] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) left irc: Connection timed out [04:11] root__ (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:11] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:11] Urchlay, this is a nice mouse, i hope its not hardware related [04:11] like, no matter what machine I plug it into. I used it happily for 4 or 5 years, then suddenly one day this happened [04:11] but i don't want to log out to see if X just barfed [04:11] plus, if it barfed real bad, you might have to dork around with it before you can log back in :) [04:12] edman007, try changing to a vtm then [04:12] ops [04:12] edman007, try changing to a vt them back to X [04:12] see if that helps [04:13] or if it's a usb mouse, try unplugging/replugging [04:13] amorette (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) left irc: "Leaving" [04:15] dive, i tried unplugging it, and switching VTs showed that middle click does not seem to work at least for copy/paste in gpm [04:15] Action: The-Croupier goes to set up some 6windows machine from scratch [04:15] Action: edman007 tries on other comp [04:15] The-Croupier (i=3e26f40d@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-780dbfb1942a353b) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [04:18] hohoxnes (n=hoho_1@125.71.65.242) joined ##slackware. [04:21] Hi everybody.I'm wondering why every time after I ./configure,the Makefile generated away with CFLAGS=-g. I think -g isn't necessary for many code. How can I get rid of this? [04:21] edman007: you could, in a console, kill gpm and "od /dev/input/mice", see if the middle click even shows any incoming data [04:21] hohoxnes: try: CFLAGS="-O2" ./configure [04:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-182-209.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:22] (replace -O2 with whatever you like, including nothing, "") [04:22] Urchlay, yup, just about to do that, because its not looking good on my Mac (though truthfully, i don't know what should be bound to it) [04:22] don't remember whether my mac used to do anything with the middle button at all [04:23] Urchlay: Is there any better way.Some code need some special CFLAGS. [04:23] what package is for xorg-font-misc ? [04:23] hohoxnes: what do you mean, special CFLAGS that the configure script will set? Generally anything you put on the configure command line will get added to, in that case [04:24] Urchlay, it looks bad, i see nothing on either /dev/input/mice or the event device for it, and i couldn't get the middle click to do anything on my mac [04:24] and its not even 6 months old [04:24] pip: there ain't no xorg-font-misc... there's a font-misc-misc, no idea if that's what you need [04:24] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:25] edman007: ouch. What kind of mouse is it, so I know what not to buy? :) [04:25] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@85.217.253.166) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Do I have to install xorg-input-mouse to get mouse to work ? [04:25] razer diamondback 3g [04:25] its a good mouse [04:26] I've been thinking configure script deciding -g or any other CFLAGS is from Environment Variables . After all I didn't find that Environment Variables. [04:26] pip, I would think so [04:26] hm. Not much chance I'd buy one of those I guess, if those blue parts are blue LEDs [04:27] hohoxnes: echo $CFLAGS [04:27] you shouldn't get anything back [04:27] which would mean you don't have CFLAGS set in your environment [04:28] (and, er, Slackware certainly doesn't set CFLAGS by default, so if you have it set up that way it's because you set it up) [04:28] ImmutableDark (n=m0@c220-237-99-49.randw2.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:28] what package is for xorg-server-utils ? [04:29] Urchlay, i think its still under warranty... [04:29] pip: go to slackware.com and use the package browser [04:29] yea, i got 2 years :) [04:29] pip: where are you getting these names like xorg-server-utils and xorg-font-misc, anyway? they sound like debian package names...? [04:30] pip: if they're debian, what you do is, you go to packages.debian.org, search for the debian package name, look at the files in it... then on slackware.com you search for those files in the package browser. [04:30] Urchlay: they are indeed from another distribution but not debain [04:30] well i'll reboot tomorrow to really verify it and file a warranty thingy if its not working... [04:30] maybe it just needs sleep like me :/ [04:31] and quit bugging us about "what package in Slackware is the same as $whatever in my old distro", because we don't know (we don't even know what your old distro was) [04:31] pip: sorry, that sounded rude. I didn't mean it in a rude way, am just saying, we really don't know [04:32] edman007: how much do those mice sell for? They look expensive... [04:32] cd '/home/slackj' [04:32] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153027 [04:32] $50 [04:32] Urchlay: ) I didn't notice that at all [04:32] -bash: cd: /home/slackj: No such file or directory [04:33] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:33] edman007: ah, not as expensive as the new kensingtons I've been dithering over getting (damn things are like $100) [04:33] Urchlay | bad idea to run weechat in the embedded terminal of a konqueror instance :D [04:33] slackj: apparently so :) [04:34] Move on then, Bye room. [04:34] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [04:35] Urchlay, well thanks for the help [04:35] i need sleep, its 430am :/ [04:35] edman007: bleh, I wasn't too helpful :( [04:35] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:35] nobody can help me anyways, i'm a lost cause [04:35] at least it's under warranty [04:35] yea [04:36] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) joined ##slackware. [04:36] Action: edman007 -> bed [04:36] nite [04:36] Action: Urchlay is up for the duration [04:36] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) left irc: Client Quit [04:36] (heh, I was actually hoping someone would say [in bed]) [04:38] [in bed] [04:40] fevel (n=fevel@189.32.157.67) left irc: [04:41] Urchlay: I keep getting segmentation faults when trying to compile my kernel [04:42] wobbles (n=huntsman@C-59-100-145-170.ade.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:42] SharkBait: bad sign [04:43] usually indicates bad RAM or overheating CPU [04:43] Urchlay: Well the cpu is blowing out cool air, so that leaves possible bad ram =/ [04:44] how far into the compile does it get, and if you re-run the make command, does it die in the same place, or does it get a littler farther? [04:44] SharkBait: memcheck [04:44] It generally dies around the same time [04:45] SharkBait: make mrproper and then you did make right ? [04:45] SharkBait: I mean, the same line in the same file every time? [04:45] actually seg faults [04:45] wow .. that means seg faults in GCC code [04:45] duryohdan: yes [04:45] memcheck [04:45] yeah. Which are amazingly rare unless it's hardware at fault... [04:46] duryodhan: command not found? [04:46] SharkBait: actually hm. If the CPU is blowing out cool air... where is the CPU's heat going? [04:47] the side of the case is off, the cpu's air flow is blowing straight out of the case [04:47] its something you have to add to lilo .. download it [04:47] thumbs (i=1000@modemcable220.141-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:47] SharkBait: run gkrellm and see cpu temp [04:47] duryohdan: ok on it [04:47] while compiling [04:47] er, I mean, if the fan isn't blowing the heat away, maybe you need some thermal paste [04:48] Urchlay: The temp of the air does heat up when compiling, but its not overly warm [04:48] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: "Leaving" [04:48] ITS 2/3 ABOUT THE AIR THAT IS GOING INTO THE CPU HEATSINK/FAN [04:48] 1/3 about output [04:49] input air should not be impeded, and should not be too hot. [04:49] otherwise it lessens the effect of the heatsink [04:52] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [04:53] Ok gkrellm is up and running, ill monitor the cpu's heat as i compile [04:53] how much you wanna bet gkrellm also segfaults :) [04:55] SharkBait: not as you compile [04:55] even right now [04:55] wats the temp it is showing ? [04:55] ummm... [04:55] if heating is really messed up.. even now it should be showing high temps [04:55] duryodhan: sensors-detect then sensors [04:56] spook: ? [04:56] command line programs [04:56] I just though gkrellm would be easier [04:56] to look at [04:56] :P [04:56] not really [04:56] hotohori17 (i=1000@dynamic-78-8-12-28.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [04:56] Action: briareus coded his conky to monitor temps [04:56] "watch sensors" [04:58] Soul_keeper (i=1000@wsip-70-166-30-4.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:59] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:00] OK I'm back.I didn't sit ”ēCFLAGS [05:01] slava_dp: yeah exactly. watch is awesome [05:01] gkrellm needs to you configure its krells, and you dont see everything laid out in numbers, its all graphs [05:02] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:03] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.210.2) joined ##slackware. [05:04] j0z (n=JESUS@189.73.47.197) joined ##slackware. [05:05] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@117.86.27.221) joined ##slackware. [05:09] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [05:10] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:10] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) left irc: "leaving" [05:12] ejm (n=tux@208.98.172.26) joined ##slackware. [05:13] hey, what's /dev/pts/0 ? I was watching lost..oh wait, would it be vlc player if it froze up on me? [05:13] hm. I never even tried sensors-detect on my laptop... running "sensors" it's picking up *something* anyway [05:13] I got a problem when configuring X, saying "could not open default font 'fixed'" [05:14] fontpath is screwed up in xorg.conf, or else you minimal setup is too minimal? [05:16] ejm: that is your pseudo terminal [05:16] slakmagik (n=j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [05:16] upon which stdin,stdout,stderr come from and go to [05:18] so, did someone logon to my laptop? [05:18] I don't have ssh enabled anymore.. [05:19] ehm. You logged in to your laptop, didn't you? (not by ssh...) [05:20] rapid (i=rapid@c220-239-129-83.dandn1.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:20] right [05:21] the reason I'm asking is that--since I'm the only one that use it, I set up a passwordless user account. but my root needs a password. [05:21] yeah ummmmmmmmmmmmmm [05:21] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-8f92c6c2377cf310) joined ##slackware. [05:21] yeah i know, stupid idiot [05:21] ejm: anything that happened to your laptop is your own fault. [05:22] whether or not you have to type a password, you're logging in [05:22] and /dev/pts/0 is used for local logins, too (not just ssh) [05:22] where are you actually seeing /dev/pts/0 show up? [05:22] that's weird..i've never seen this before is all. [05:24] sshd: spook@pts/0 <<<<<< [05:24] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [05:28] Urchlay: Fixed the problem [05:30] anert (i=c3f559b9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-d2674a2a200e9e6e) joined ##slackware. [05:30] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.210.2) left irc: [05:30] i'm using squid as a personal proxy to emulate off-line browsing, but many pages won't load unless/before the stupid ads (that change address randomly!) are loaded too (then the rest of the page loads instantly, of course), which effectively means no caching (or no off-line browsing) for me. is there any general way to fix this, like can squid tell when the requests are coming from an already cached page? or is there som [05:31] anert: adblock [05:31] ejm (n=tux@208.98.172.26) left irc: "Leaving" [05:32] anert: adblock plus, an addon for firefox. [05:34] thank you. [05:34] SharkBait: what was it? [05:35] so aren't there more general, squid-based or browser-agnostic, solutions? [05:35] this channel is so much better without client timeouts, parts, joins or quits [05:35] Urchlay: Bad stick of ram [05:36] that'll do it :) [05:40] joachim1 (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [05:40] Urchlay: actually no, there it is again in a completely different part of the compile stage =/ [05:40] heh [05:41] whats the cpu temp? [05:41] 27C [05:41] memtest86 [05:42] ? [05:42] test the memory [05:43] joachim1 (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left ##slackware. [05:44] I dont have any spare discs lying around >.> [05:45] usb stick [05:45] nor a thumbdrive [05:46] another computer? [05:46] yeh [05:46] pxe boot [05:48] spook, is pxe boot hard to set up? [05:48] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [05:49] not if you know how to do itt [05:49] that's reasonable enough :) [05:50] its a 3 step process [05:50] dhcp server, tftp server, initrd + kernel [05:51] effort [05:51] README_PXE.txt in the slack tree/cd/dvd [05:51] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [05:51] ah, my dear fm :) thanks, spook [05:51] fm? [05:52] yeah, the f manual [05:52] oh [05:56] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. 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[06:49] slackpkg search fcache [06:51] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [06:51] Today is Setting Orange, the 30th day of Chaos in the YOLD 3175 [06:54] psssss psssssss [06:56] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/pc-gears-of-war-drm-causes-title-to-shut-down-starting-today.ars [06:56] epic fail [06:56] hehe [06:56] ^-^ [06:56] i just read the URL [06:56] got the rest lol [06:57] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:57] SharkBait (n=Iles@124-168-136-199.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: [06:59] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Anyone got such problem when configuring X: could not open default font path 'fixed' [07:14] ... [07:15] pip: you got your answer 2 hours ago [07:15] Blikjeham (n=deathmc@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: "leaving" [07:16] spook: that line tells you something [07:16] spook: you need a life [07:16] :D [07:16] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:16] heh [07:16] duryodhan: when you turn off quit, join, part and client errors, you dont need to scroll up [07:16] Action: slackytude eats yesterdayscoldpizza [07:16] yum, cold pizza [07:17] Action: slackytude nods [07:17] the gourmets choice [07:19] anert (i=c3f559b9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a89a6b6a9dd03ed) joined ##slackware. [07:20] sticks (n=sticks@ppp118-208-65-7.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [07:20] snorks (n=stig@cpc1-tref2-0-0-cust214.cdif.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [07:21] hi, i have a question about kerberos, best answered by a net/sysadmin. is there such a person in here atm? [07:22] Action: slackytude looks around [07:22] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) joined ##slackware. [07:23] snorks, it might be best if you just asked your question. dont ask to ask [07:23] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:24] Howdy! What would you put as wget flags in slackpkg.conf: WGETFLAGS="--passive-ftp" [07:24] sticks (n=sticks@ppp118-208-65-7.lns1.bne4.internode.on.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [07:24] or same with ; between "" [07:24] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [07:24] ok, kerberos implements cryptography so that no authentication details are sent in clear text. this is all done to authenticate involved parties. What happens after that? lets say a user authenticates with kerberos to the mail server. once authenticated, he or she fetches the mail from the server. is this mail sent to the client in clear text unless ipsec or equivalent is deployed? [07:25] WGETFLAGS="--passive-ftp";"-c" or WGETFLAGS="--passive-ftp""-c" [07:25] WGETFLAGS="--passive-ftp -c" [07:25] spook: I didn't notice that, what is the answer ? [07:26] And which 75dpi and 100 are to choose for X ? [07:26] slackytude I'll try that (slow conn here, need the "-c") [07:26] Thanks! [07:27] Ebola (i=ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) joined ##slackware. [07:27] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:27] no sweat [07:27] does my question make sense? [07:28] yes, and Id say that once the authenticating is done, kerberos is finished. communication between server and client must be encrypted, kerberos wont deal with it [07:28] but thats just afaik [07:29] thats my afaik too, but i need to prove it and since im a cunt i havent got more time to test this myself =( [07:29] Im not at work so Icant test it but Im pretty sure [07:29] 19:14 < Urchlay> fontpath is screwed up in xorg.conf, or else you minimal setup is too minimal? [07:29] kerberos only provides secure AUTHENTICATION, not communication post authentication. this is what i think [07:29] 2 hours, 2 minutes before you asked for a THIRD TIME [07:30] snorks, agreed [07:30] kerberos is very complicated [07:30] i was asleep during the lecture on kerberos [07:30] a requirement of kerberos was to prove that Lisa was Lisa and that only she could read her own mail [07:31] eh, no mentions of lectures, Ive got tests on monday [07:31] however, if someone sniffs the network and makes no sense of the encrypted auth stuff, but then suddenly see mail in clear text, thats sort of bollocks? [07:31] and to stop eve listening to lisa sending emails to bob [07:31] thus one can assume that the best practice in mgmt of and deployment of kerberos is to deploy it on top of say IPSec [07:32] or use public key encryption [07:32] amorette (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) joined ##slackware. [07:33] the guys in #samba might know more [07:33] [ in bed ] [07:33] or try #heimdaal [07:33] or try #heimdal [07:33] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) joined ##slackware. [07:34] or look at http://www.h5l.org/ [07:35] [ in bed ] [07:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [07:36] thanks for your help slackytude [07:36] [ in bed ] [07:36] no worries, mate [07:37] etc [07:37] etc [ in bed ] [07:38] man i cant get it up [07:38] [ in bed ] [07:38] oh wait... [07:38] oh god - accidentally deleted a torrent with 2GB of download complete and now I can't remember where I got it from... :< [07:38] heh [07:38] sucks [07:38] ha [07:38] [ in bed ] [07:38] indeed [07:38] lol [07:38] was IT Crowd seasons 1 - 3 [07:39] dive: get the .torrent fle [07:39] file [07:39] if you still have it [07:39] just reading noobfarm. rworkman posted his gpg passphrase in his changelog [07:39] no I deleted it by mistake [07:39] Action: slackytude got all IT crowd episodes [07:39] was going to quit rtorrent and I pressed Ctrl-D instead of Ctrl-Q [07:39] ha [07:40] Missing something from slackpkg manpages: how do I tell it to _show_ me what's available to upgrade? [07:40] it crowd is awesome [07:40] dive: load a live cd and dd the contents to another disk/tranportable media/netcat it to another machine [07:40] [ in bed ] [07:40] dive: the contents of your disk [07:40] slackj: slackpkg upgrade-all, gives you an ncurses menu [07:40] nille_ (i=1000@c-a061e655.07-22-6d6c6d90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:41] never mind now I've deleted the data and started seasons 1-2 [07:41] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-74-5.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:41] will teach me [07:41] Missing something in slakpkg manpages: How do I tell it to _show_ me what updates are available, after refreshing the mirror? [07:41] slackj: slackpkg upgrade-all, gives you an ncurses menu [07:41] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [07:41] ellow :D [07:41] mornin [07:42] Noise (I think my link is down) [07:42] :q [07:42] exit [07:42] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [07:43] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Hi again [07:43] slackj: i'll say it a 3rd and final time [07:43] slackj: slackpkg upgrade-all, gives you an ncurses menu [07:43] yeah pity irssi doesn't have vim input [07:43] :q [07:43] lol [07:44] didnt see that at first [07:44] Slackpkg: there is somethong missing in ManPages: how do I see what packages are available for upgrade after refreshing mirrors? [07:44] slackj: slackpkg upgrade-all, gives you an ncurses menu [07:44] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@59.100.2.100) joined ##slackware. [07:44] kudos for trying to quit irc client with :q [07:44] lol [07:44] you can get a vim plugin for firefox [07:44] http://vimperator.org/trac/wiki/Vimperator [07:45] slackj: SYN [07:45] SORRY - From cambodia, I've got _serious_ drop outs. Sorry again, please beloeve me there was _nothing_ on-screen heer. Ia m not deaf nor blind ;) [07:45] slackj: slackpkg upgrade-all, gives you an ncurses menu SYN [07:46] spook | slackj: SYN means? [07:46] i'm using squid as a personal proxy to emulate off-line browsing, but many pages won't load unless/before the stupid ads (that change address randomly!) are loaded too (then the rest of the page loads instantly, of course), which effectively means no caching (or no off-line browsing) for me. is there any general way to fix this, like can squid tell when the requests are coming from an already cached page? or is there som [07:46] NO ACK -> TIMEOUT [07:46] [ in bed ] [07:46] slackj: SYN, SYN/ACK, ACK, tcp threeway handshake [07:46] slackytude: it's the TCP handshake: a sends SYN to b, b sends back ACK, and a sends back SYN/ACK [07:46] doh [07:46] _and_ the wrong person [07:46] kamaji, heh [07:46] >_> [07:47] anert, #squid [07:47] SYN failed cos he sent packet to wrong person [07:47] no, it just means hes open to a man in the middle attack [07:48] wait, no [07:48] err [07:48] Nick change: spook -> divea [07:49] kamaji: SYN [07:49] peretto (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) joined ##slackware. [07:49] Nick change: divea -> spook [07:49] hmm [07:50] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:50] divea: ACK [07:50] o noez [07:50] kamaji: SYN/ACK [07:50] spook: RST [07:50] I have a firewall, bitch [07:50] (pretending to be dive): I SUCK COCK! :P [07:50] lol [07:51] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) joined ##slackware. [07:51] hehheh [07:51] http://spooksoftware.com/blockspeed/ < pretty graphs [07:52] http://spooksoftware.com/blockspeed/ <- slow to connect [07:52] its SYN, SYN/ACK, ACK [07:52] not SYN, ACK, SYN/ACK [07:52] fyi [07:52] oh rly [07:52] dangit [07:53] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [07:53] yeah i thought so, just didnt want to say you were blatantly wrong [07:53] lol [07:53] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "[BX] Dr. Kavorkian is DYING to use BitchX. Aren't you?" [07:53] I don't mind, it's not a rare occurance :D [07:54] kamaji: i'm in australia [07:54] alrite, enough of the geekery [07:54] spook: why? do the packets go round the network in the opposite direction? [07:54] and the load average on that box is currently like 3 [07:54] oh [07:55] sitwon (n=adam@pool-173-79-70-122.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:55] pretty graphs are worth looking at. [07:55] http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2009/01/pc-gears-of-war-drm-causes-title-to-shut-down-starting-today.ars [07:55] slackytude: that sucks.... [07:56] Action: slackytude nods [07:56] epic fail [07:56] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) joined ##slackware. [07:57] I love the last paragraph [07:57] it's so true [07:57] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:57] j0z (n=LINUX@189.73.47.197) joined ##slackware. [07:57] aye [07:58] slackytude: you posted that 59 minutes before [07:58] correct [07:59] [ in bed ] [08:00] kama (n=kama@host123-245-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:00] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.16) joined ##slackware. [08:01] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Action: slackytude smokes [08:02] [ in bed ] [08:02] Action: dive smokes [08:02] wretched_ (n=wretched@72-170.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:02] j0z_ (n=LINUX@189.73.9.240) joined ##slackware. [08:02] let's all smoke [08:02] I love the new kde [08:03] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:03] I love it that you can have kde with windows [08:03] Nick change: j0z_ -> j0z [08:04] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.146) joined ##slackware. [08:07] smoking is bad for you [08:08] the tobbaco manufacturers in UK have started putting pics of corpses on tobacco pouches now, I wonder if boxes of land mines will now have pics of kids with legs blown off? [08:08] Makaveli_ (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:09] Good morning [08:09] its usually the government that puts them on the packs, not the tobacco manufacturers [08:09] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [08:10] not physically [08:10] they should pics of corpses on cars [08:10] dive: here, its the health dept that picks what picture to put on the packs [08:10] ah [08:11] and laws about how big the pictures have to be, location [08:11] I'mnot sure how it works here [08:11] also about where cigarettes can/cant be displayed in a store. [08:11] except the gov orders it [08:11] like square footage of display as well [08:15] important job [08:16] [ in bed ] [08:16] kama (n=kama@host123-245-dynamic.117-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:17] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:19] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-8f92c6c2377cf310) left irc: [08:22] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: "leaving" [08:23] weasel__ (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [08:23] Nick change: weasel__ -> bsddaemon [08:24] bsddaemon (i=kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:25] Nick change: peretto -> plankton [08:25] Xuim_ (n=UNIX@189.30.142.213) joined ##slackware. [08:26] Xuim_ (n=UNIX@189.30.142.213) left irc: Client Quit [08:26] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9f18947366bbea9a) joined ##slackware. [08:27] what does anthy-9100e package do ? [08:29] j0z_ (n=LINUX@189.30.142.213) joined ##slackware. [08:29] read the slack-desc [08:29] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:33] pip, less /var/log/packages/anthy-9100e-i486-1 [08:35] slava_dp: I haven't installed it yet [08:36] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009107135.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [08:37] martino (n=martino@93-62-0-80.ip20.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [08:37] pip, http://packages.slackware.it/ [08:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:40] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:40] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:40] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:41] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "#E>6C" [08:43] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [08:44] ROKO__ (n=RoKo__@85.217.253.166) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:46] when I type "dmesg" I get "hub 3-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1" messages that just clutter the import messages. How do I turn that off? [08:46] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [08:47] it noisy [08:47] Jork (n=uros@BSN-61-7-110.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Jork (n=uros@BSN-61-7-110.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [08:47] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:47] Jork (n=uros@BSN-61-7-110.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [08:47] hello everyone [08:47] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [08:48] skibur, you may be able to redirect those messages by adding an entry to /etc/syslog.conf [08:48] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [08:49] I am new in linux and I am wondering if Slackware is recommended distro. for me and if it uses gnome? [08:49] and if is it runing compiz? [08:49] <_adrenaline> I defaults to KDE in fact you will have to install gnome later [08:49] thanks dive [08:49] Jork, we recommend it, no it doesn't come with gnome, yes it comes with compiz [08:50] I will look into it [08:50] <_adrenaline> There are other window managers you can use [08:50] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-205.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) joined ##slackware. [08:50] t0f (i=1000@wlbr-208-103-146-205.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:50] thx guys [08:50] <_adrenaline> I have heard you can run compiz if you want but I don't myself [08:50] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Jork, /topic and checkout the links for slackbook and slackwiki [08:51] <_adrenaline> It is generally faster by default than most other distros IMO [08:51] cool [08:51] I can hardly wait to install slack [08:51] <_adrenaline> Have fun I enjoy it [08:51] Thnx guys [08:51] welcome [08:52] I hope it wouldn.'t be to hard to calibrate an install slack [08:52] not directly hard [08:52] but it isnt as "preconfigured" as for example ubuntu [08:53] im thinking about wireless and general stuff looking pretty (like gtk icons for firefox and what not) [08:53] bye [08:53] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.57.122) joined ##slackware. [08:53] Thnx for info [08:55] <_adrenaline> I installed WICD and my wireless worked out of the box well after wicd but I didn't need to mess with ndiswrapper or anything [08:55] <_adrenaline> mouse and sound worked out of the box too [08:55] <_adrenaline> I recommend the latest distro 12.2 [08:55] ok, adrenaline [08:56] o just one more question, is it slack realy oldest distro of linux? [08:56] Jork: very much recommended [08:56] ok, I will install it then :) [08:56] thnx guys [08:56] Jork: Just need to insert the disc and choose full, and play outside [08:56] :D [08:56] <_adrenaline> Maybe on the oldest but for sure one of the oldest [08:57] it's the oldest surviving distro [08:57] <_adrenaline> Actually .01 of linus Torvalds is the oldest [08:57] <_adrenaline> hehe [08:57] :D [08:57] Jork: If you don't bother to choose packages to install [08:57] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host81-155-57-54.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [08:57] <_adrenaline> Well I am going to work I will catch you later there [08:58] <_adrenaline> yes I irc at work ssssh don't tell anyone [08:58] ok, thnx again you are very nice all of you [08:58] You're welcome [08:58] Jork, be sure to read the slackbook and slackwiki first [08:58] _adrenaline (n=mike@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:59] dive. can you give me a link of slackbook ? [08:59] Jork, it's in the /topic [08:59] Jork: slackware is the oldest of the currently surviving DISTROs [08:59] aha [08:59] type /topic [08:59] I see now [08:59] wretched_ (n=wretched@72-170.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [08:59] something like SLS is older, but no longer active [08:59] it's also on the dvd/cd [09:00] you know there's a really good linux timeguide out there somewhere, let me see if i can find it. [09:01] fresco20_ (n=fresco20@115.73.58.30) joined ##slackware. [09:01] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: No route to host [09:02] [ in bed ] [09:02] Makaveli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) joined ##slackware. [09:02] http://libreamoi.com/images/linuxdistrotimeline.png [09:02] is it possible to do standby or hibernation in xfce? [09:03] fresco20_: those are acpi things, not xfce things [09:03] spook, i can do these on kde, but don't know which app to use in xfce [09:03] probally a plugin [09:03] Or a better picture @ http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt76.png [09:04] you can't in xfce afaik - but maybe theres a plugin [09:04] your face has a plugin [09:04] the battery plugin i installed doesn't even show up [09:04] lol [09:04] you need to add the panel for it [09:04] fresco20_, did you right click and add it? [09:04] the plugin just gives you the widgit, you have to add it [09:05] i thought it would show up in the menu, sorry [09:05] no it's for tray/taskbar [09:05] that image is wrong [09:05] i could see that xubuntu was using gnome's power manager on Xfce [09:05] debian, while ANNOUNCING itself in 1993 didnt actually release till like a year or so later [09:05] i wonder if i can do the same thing [09:06] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:06] fresco20_: not without the 4 billion gnome libraries and programs [09:06] :( [09:06] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:06] Does enone know when will official release debian lenny? [09:06] i'll check what the battery plugin can do [09:07] btw, i managed to get Adobe AIR to work on my slacky box :D [09:07] ok this weird - my cursor just stopped flashing a few mins ago, and now theres no more keyboard repeat [09:07] Jork: #debian would know [09:08] so SUSE was derived from Slackware too [09:08] wtf [09:09] suse started as a german translation of slackware [09:09] SuSE was derived from RedHat actually [09:09] somewhere down the line they decided to fork and use RPM [09:09] they are the bastard child of slackware. [09:09] don't like SUSE though [09:09] and debian was first released in 1994, not 1993 [09:10] spook: I think so [09:10] fresco20_ (n=fresco20@115.73.58.30) left irc: "Leaving" [09:10] you guys read wikipedia too much [09:10] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:10] i dont read wikipedia, i just know the facts [09:10] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.155) joined ##slackware. [09:10] but there is more derived distro from Debian than Slackware [09:11] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.59.172) joined ##slackware. [09:11] ananke, around? [09:11] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [09:11] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:11] Karu (n=alch@78-28-93-146.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [09:11] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: "reboot" [09:11] because debian has too much politics and beaurocracy, people get sick of it and start their own distro [09:11] yes I heard about that [09:12] also because debian stays strictly free, as in, only gpl or compatitible things [09:12] spook: what are you talking about? that tool shed is orange! [09:12] so no binary drivers etc [09:12] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-9f18947366bbea9a) left irc: [09:12] people like ubuntu could never thrive under those conditions, so they make their own distro [09:12] v4nelle (n=van@adsl62-231.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:13] the amount of binary stuff etc that ubuntu fudge into their distro to make it "just work" is amazing. [09:13] this is the limit of ubuntu [09:13] it's quite the sizable distro [09:13] it's becoming a windows-like [09:13] what's wrong with windows-like? some people want that ;) [09:14] not professional people of course :) [09:14] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.57.122) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:15] when you have to wrestle with the os to get stuff done, its a bad thing (tm) [09:15] for me, that includes windows and ubuntu [09:15] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [09:16] you become idiot if you don't know what's happen inside your OS [09:16] 07:12 < Makaveli> not professional people of course :) [09:16] Guest7605 (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:16] most professionals prefer windows [09:16] "professionals" only in the sense that they easily part fools with their money [09:17] I mean the real expert enthusiastic people [09:17] foldingstock: true, however, most professionals prefer windows because it's what the general public understands. I don't want to teach my staff how to do something under Linux four times just to have them forget again tomorrow [09:17] like me. who use linux [09:17] not programmers who work just for making money [09:18] i'm not a programmer, i'm a sysadmin [09:18] hello mates [09:18] fuzzbawl: agreed, teaching an average user how to do anything related to terminal use usually involves hell [09:18] linux is much easier to manager in large companies [09:18] spook: ok :) [09:18] foldingstock: it's a new level of hell [09:19] fuzzbawl: imo, schools are partly to blame. You don't learn how to use computers in school, you learn how to use Windows, how to use Office, etc [09:19] we run Slackware on most of our servers. Our entire network runs linux-based routers. We are slowly getting people to move to MacOS X for some stuff, primarily because it's BSD-based and doesn't give me the headaches Windows does [09:19] foldingstock: actually the state of Indiana has a program going on that has at least one Linux-based lab in each school [09:19] spook: agreed, we run several Windows and FreeBSD servers, I rarely have to touch the *bsd machines [09:20] i would love to manage the school with only linux machines [09:20] fuzzbawl: but is that any better? now they're teaching how to use Windows...and Linux, still not basic computer concepts [09:20] between WDS, WSUS, domains, exchange and permissions, its a fucking mess and a constant headache [09:21] you dont teach people how to use a computer [09:21] foldingstock: the cirriculum has been changing too. They are using OpenOffice instead of MS Office etc. More and more they are teaching concepts than products [09:21] granted it's not perfect yet, but it's at least shifting [09:21] open standards are good, its good to hear [09:21] you teach them how to learn with a computer, i.e; how to do statistics, using a spreadsheet [09:21] They SHOULD teach Windows and MS products [09:21] excuse my lack of knowledge? How do I set permissions for a specific user to be able to issue the command squid -k reconfigure and grant permission to modify a certain file created by the root user in order to block specific sites [09:21] Last time I checked..most of the companies in the world use those products for most of their workers [09:21] straterra: yes, I know, I never said they shouldn't [09:21] they should teach concepts, adaptability [09:22] teach them to LOOK for the format text option instead of rote learning where it is and getting confused when office 2007 comes out for example [09:23] fevel: for the squid thing look into using the command sudo [09:23] i'm using squid as a personal proxy to emulate off-line browsing, but many pages won't load unless/before the stupid ads (that change address randomly!) are loaded too (then the rest of the page loads instantly, of course), which effectively means no caching (or no off-line browsing) for me. is there any general way to fix this, like can squid tell when the requests are coming from an already cached page? or is there som [09:23] but my problem is they only teach a specific subset [09:23] ie: people only learn WINDOWS XP [09:24] fevel: for the blocked sites, i would set a group up with the user in it. Then set group writable permissions on the files [09:24] so when Vista/7 come out, everyone hates it because..its not XP [09:24] :) [09:24] thank you for the reply fuzzbawl, I would guess sudo is a thir party package? [09:24] win 7 are not so fast as xp but faster than vista :) [09:24] systemloc (n=lol@pool-173-78-14-150.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [09:24] anert: that's a question for the squid channel, not here [09:24] Dominus, around? [09:24] Win7 is the same speed as Vista..both of which operate faster than XP on modern hardware [09:25] OKAY WHAT THE FUCK. ON THE SECOND TIMELINE IT HAS BLUEWHITE64 BUT NOT SLAMD64 [09:25] manners friend [09:25] my little girl is by my side [09:25] nachox: were you looking for Dominian? [09:25] fevel: sorry but its warranted [09:25] lol [09:25] spook, please, dont shout and or curse [09:25] nachox: its warranted [09:25] straterra: wth? no one said it was slow, lol [09:26] um.. [09:26] mbhayes, yep, i seem to remember he was keen on photography and was seeking some advice on cammeras [09:26] 09:24 < Jork> win 7 are not so fast as xp but faster than vista :) [09:26] nachox: This is dominian hehe [09:26] mbhayes: http://futurist.se/gldt/gldt76.png <<< something to blog about [09:26] i know, but i liked the other nick better :P [09:27] ooo [09:27] nachox: hehe [09:27] dominian... I have heard of you [09:27] ok.strattera [09:27] word is you have helped a lot of people [09:27] fevel: hopefully its "good" [09:27] he has [09:27] depends on your definition of "help" [09:27] brushing their teeth maybe? [09:27] =P [09:27] heh [09:27] And I'M back [09:28] fuzzbawl: i saw other people talking about squid so i though to myself "here's you go, paste it now!" [09:28] thought [09:28] wich kde is using slack 12.2? [09:28] 3.5 [09:28] spook: Yeah.. I already emailed the maintainer of that.. he never responded [09:29] anert, and you were right, though #squid is probably a better place to ask [09:29] probally been bribed, or he just gets thousands of emails from... whats the word for it... [09:29] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:29] can it be build to 4? [09:30] Jork: read the -current notes on the latest kde 4.2 packages [09:30] Jork: You do not want to upgrade from 3.5 to 4.x of KDE.. removal of kde3 components first is recommended [09:30] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [09:30] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:30] aha, ok [09:30] thnx [09:31] mbhayes, anyway, i own a sony w55 which in daylight is awsome but has problems at night, it's ok if you place the camera in a table but if you're holding it yourself, the pics are blured, is there any model you'd recommend over sony? [09:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.16) left irc: [09:31] mbhayes: people probally email him day and night about what they think happened [09:31] nachox: Hrm.. the's a Nikon D55 I think it is that I had my eye on ... [09:31] i.e; debian came before everything!!11112 [09:31] spook: haha yeah [09:32] fevel: sudo is included in Slackware [09:32] I see [09:32] "visudo" as root [09:33] mbhayes, was that cammera even released? :P [09:33] nachox: and with photography.. I'm actually a noob [09:33] nachox: I'll have to find it... [09:33] yes... just read it on the first couple of lines [09:33] Jork (n=uros@BSN-61-7-110.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [09:33] I had opened it with vim [09:33] no, you should use visudo [09:33] it doesnt like it if you dont [09:33] mbhayes, i was seeking advice from ananke too, but he doesnt seem to be around :( [09:33] heh [09:34] anyone eard of configuring a dual screen + a tv-out with 1 nvidia video card? [09:34] I tried editing with visudo but received this feedback : usage: visudo [-c] [-f sudoers] [-q] [-s] [-V] [09:34] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [09:35] fevel: you just type visudo [09:35] thats it [09:35] my bad [09:35] no arguments, no switches [09:36] thank you very much spook [09:36] a true altruist =) [09:36] systemloc (n=lol@pool-173-78-14-150.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [09:37] say that 3 times fast [09:37] i was this || close to losing patience [09:37] lol [09:44] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [09:46] straterr1 (n=straterr@brutalexistenceradio.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:47] Nick change: straterr1 -> straterra [09:53] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn77.91-127-120.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("reboooot"). 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[10:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:06] RaNdY (i=user@phcore.com) joined ##slackware. [10:07] https://users.graboid.com/subs/memberApp.php?amember_login=TheGargantua&amember_pass=blabla [10:07] hahahha [10:07] that's fucking great [10:07] graboids? like on tremors? [10:07] tremors 2 [10:08] Username or password incorrect [10:08] noticed the boldedd part of the url [10:08] Obviously I couldn't leave my real passwordthere [10:08] but it passes it by GET [10:09] Man web programmers can be really stupid sometime.s [10:09] get = grab [10:09] they are graboids [10:09] you are stupid sometimes [10:10] isnt it https: for a reason [10:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:10] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:11] why would we bail out the auto industry....no one is going anywhere [10:11] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@59.100.2.100) got netsplit. [10:11] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) got netsplit. [10:11] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) got netsplit. [10:11] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) got netsplit. [10:11] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) got netsplit. [10:11] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit. [10:11] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) got netsplit. [10:12] we have like 4 cars for every human [10:12] Gargantua: woah thats soem really bad coding there [10:12] some* [10:12] yeah [10:12] damn web coders [10:12] how did you see the source code? [10:12] WHY DON'T YOU LEARN A REAL LANGAUGE [10:13] LIKE ASSEMBLY [10:13] SupernalTriad: i didnt you can see the outcome of it [10:13] i dont think they care [10:13] they just make money off yuppies and move on [10:13] citizen42alpha (n=citizen4@C-59-100-2-100.for.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:14] yep [10:14] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) returned to ##slackware. [10:14] so whos the real idiots [10:14] who are [10:14] lol [10:14] Kinda messed that up there chief [10:14] sinkigobopo (n=sinkigob@pool-96-252-87-26.bstnma.fios.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [10:14] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) returned to ##slackware. [10:14] why dont we get rid of the auto industry and get someone to start working on mass transit [10:14] we have no maglev [10:15] But there's a differnece between those that just want to make a profit and those that are innovative enough to do both and learn and contribute to their respective fields at the same tie. [10:15] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) joined ##slackware. [10:15] because maglev costs electricity? [10:15] why dont we invest in nuclear power [10:16] anert (i=c3f559b9@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-2a89a6b6a9dd03ed) left ##slackware. [10:16] instead of letting our society rot to death [10:16] Because *you* are not in control of your society [10:16] the big companies are. [10:16] the big companies are bankrupt [10:16] this is still a slackware channel, right? [10:16] nachox, nope [10:17] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) got lost in the net-split. [10:17] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) got lost in the net-split. [10:17] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) got lost in the net-split. [10:17] thhp (n=tom@87-194-180-175.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving." [10:17] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:17] you were saying? [10:17] nachox, nope [10:18] oh shi [10:18] lets all bow up after idling [10:18] Well it was a slow chat and we just went off subject [10:19] Gargantua, no excuses needed [10:19] BP{k} (n=michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [10:20] sure they're needed [10:20] that's how you deal with authority [10:20] nope [10:20] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [10:20] stef_204 (n=stef@adsl-84-227-140-73.adslplus.ch) joined ##slackware. [10:20] you stand up, and call them fascists [10:20] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:20] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:21] you do that when you know youre right, otherwise you apologize, shut up and act like a good citizen [10:22] no i dont [10:22] this is sparta [10:22] no, it's not, and you're an idiot [10:22] idiot-- [10:23] Karu (n=alch@78-28-93-146.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [10:24] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) left irc: [10:25] coffee rules! [10:25] SupernalTriad: are you working on attaining your pompous or bombast boy scout badge? [10:25] gnubien, whats that [10:26] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-133-201-110.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:26] superGear (i=1000@c-24-9-159-128.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] hello superGear [10:28] this is sparta <- LOL [10:28] kozandr (n=kozandr@83.167.104.118) joined ##slackware. [10:33] woah, someone with sense of humor [10:35] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:37] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [10:37] lol [10:38] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:38] Why do people bitch about CGI in movies? [10:38] because it looks terrible [10:39] Maybe 20 years ago [10:39] as long as its good cgi [10:39] um.. [10:39] 20 years ago? [10:39] its almost real now...fools most people [10:39] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] heh. this account setup form wants me to create my own challenge question and response. I'm tempted to make it Q: "What is the average air velocity of a laiden swallow?" A: "What do you mean, African or European?" [10:39] starwars ep3 CGI is fucking horrible [10:39] I can point out a couple scenes from matrix reloaded where its very obvious..and looks lame [10:39] wait till they start using cgi in news casts.... [10:39] Also..the saber toothed tiger from 3000BC [10:39] like someone has poorly photochopped the same face on a bunch of people [10:39] making up events [10:40] cgi aliens shaking obama's hand yay0rz [10:40] also, U571 has that terrible nazi destroyer exploding cgi [10:40] straterra, there's a difference between good CGI and just an awful sequence. [10:40] fuzzbawl: so do it [10:41] done [10:41] fuzzbawl, why not make it ') Drop `users` ? [10:42] Gargantua: because that's purely evil, they probably prevent that in their queries and it's a verbal challenge for phone calls [10:42] lol [10:42] Doubt your average customer support guy knows what that is [10:43] hey is there a way (command) to know remotely if a box has an AGP port? [10:43] Joker_-_: check lspci for the video card model and look it up [10:43] Joker_-_: if it has a agp buss? [10:43] fuzzbawl: the video car dis pci, but I think it has an agp port. [10:43] 05:00.0 [10:43] spook: yeah [10:44] just find out what the motherboard is and google [10:44] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [10:44] spook: exactly what I was thinking, wich leads me to: how ;) [10:44] lspci [10:44] cat /proc/ioports [10:44] or that [10:44] ##slackware: mode change '-o nachox' by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.59.172 [10:45] 03c0-03df : vga+ ? [10:46] dmesg|grep agp [10:46] Linux agpgart interface v0.103 [10:46] dmesg | grep agp, good idea [10:46] the driver may be loaded even without a card in it [10:46] SupernalTriad: yup, did it, thanks! [10:46] so you could do lsmod [10:46] grep agp [10:47] SupernalTriad: dmesg was just perfect, I only wanted to know if I had the port so thats fine ;) [10:47] that will be tree-fiddy, woman [10:48] SupernalTriad: so YOU'RE the lochness monster! [10:48] SupernalTriad: I only have older womens free till monday so I'll send 4 ;) [10:49] im kenny's ghost [10:49] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:49] kenny didn't have a ghost, he had ashes [10:49] in a pot roast [10:49] is there are womens here ? [10:50] Makaveli: I am [10:50] according to SupernalTriad [10:50] Joker_-_: HI WOMAN [10:50] how are you :D [10:50] ... [10:50] i said, gimme $3.50 woman! [10:50] nah there are guys that pretend they're women to get better help [10:50] Makaveli: Hi (hihihi) [10:50] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:51] Joker_-_: I am happy to see woman here [10:51] it's the first time [10:51] seeing a woman with balls [10:51] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:51] it's still a woman :P [10:52] womans doesn't use slackware, maybe use windows hehehe [10:52] HAHAHA so sexist [10:52] lol [10:53] it's maybe hard to her to say things by console :P [10:53] what font is recommended for X ? [10:53] the default? [10:53] I'm a women: I use slackware to get around smart nerdy rich guys [10:54] nix_chix0r uses slackware. [10:54] rich gays [10:54] shes pregnant. [10:54] SupernalTriad: ur gay? [10:54] definately not a guy. [10:54] no, im asexual [10:54] what have I stumbled into? [10:54] SupernalTriad: but your rich? [10:54] i'll sex your a [10:54] SupernalTriad: what is the default ? [10:55] Joker_-_, mentally [10:55] i'm recommend dejavu sans mono [10:55] SupernalTriad: could you turn mental-money to real-money fo rme? [10:55] pip, sans [10:55] which package ? [10:55] pip: install all of /x/ [10:55] Joker_-_: will you learn your kids how to use slackware :P ? [10:55] Joker_-_, real money? gold and silver? [10:56] Makaveli: my grand childrends all use slackware [10:56] spook: I don't have to, since I don't need all of them [10:56] SupernalTriad: yeah, not that worthless american money :P [10:56] Joker_-_: so you really had kids :( [10:56] pip: unless you install all of /x/, any help from this channel will cease. [10:56] hear that everybody? [10:56] Joker_-_, heh yeap [10:56] ping [10:57] nix_chix0r: sorry for the buzz [10:57] sleep? [10:57] no my cats woke me up [10:57] who knew they had to be fed [10:57] put the cats in a wood chipper and buy an alarm clock [10:57] my advice [10:58] you can compost them if you are trying to be green [10:58] good idea. cat burgers any one? [10:58] can you do the same thing for kicking babies? [10:59] you know a man has had a baby right? [10:59] Action: Makaveli wanna married a slackwoman :D [10:59] a man has not had a baby [10:59] err wait, it was a woman who got a sex change or something [10:59] SupernalTriad: he used to be a woman [10:59] that DOES NOT count [10:59] the hormones...must be one f'd up baby [10:59] their genes mark them a woman [10:59] he/she is pregnant again i think [11:00] spook, no i have to deal with him kicking me. and the cracked rib i have from him [11:00] apparently threatening windows does nothing. [11:00] i can bruise your cervix to take your mind off the rib pain [11:01] if you'd like [11:01] ha [11:01] seriously he cracked a rib? [11:01] not really in the mood for that:| [11:02] SupernalTriad: observe, the pregnant women are extremely hormonal, especially when it comes to sex. [11:02] yeah he's sitting so high up and i'm not very tall so he's running out of room one kinda cracked [11:02] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.210.91) joined ##slackware. [11:02] nix_chix0r, sit up straight and don't slouch? [11:02] nix_chix0r, fetuses tend to settle down if you smoke some crack [11:02] i'm sittin up fool [11:02] ;P [11:03] SupernalTriad: shut the fuck up. [11:03] spook, fascist! [11:03] every one knows you can't get crack in northern minnesota. it's meth or no dice [11:04] oxy-contin [11:04] SupernalTriad: have you seen what happens when crack babies grow up? [11:04] spook, yeah...have you seen depleted uranium / agent orange (round up) babies? [11:04] images.google.com is your friend [11:05] they look like extra terrestrials [11:05] bubble babies [11:05] the doctor gave me loratabs when i had tendonitis in my arms. he became my best friend that day when i was in no pain. but i doubt they will give me that so far along. he was like " narcotics are ok for pregnant mothers" [11:05] never trust quack doctors [11:05] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@117.86.27.221) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:06] im sure they will tell you to give your 6 month old 6 vaccines in a week [11:06] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:06] and then you have an autistic child, yay [11:06] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] they need the vaccines after they stop breast feeding [11:06] i'm not going to do all those vaccinations [11:06] they need the vaccines after they stop breast feeding [11:06] a lot of contreversy in UK about MMR vaccines [11:07] i feel they give way too much to the newborns [11:07] nix_chix0r, they want to destroy them [11:07] they need the vaccines after they stop breast feeding, the mother is sharing her anti-bodies through her milk. [11:08] need vaccines? haha why...in case someone gives them smallpox? [11:08] how did they eliminate smallpox? [11:08] how would it spread now? [11:08] everyones vaccinated, so why vaccinate further [11:08] well certain vaccinations are necessary. especially chicken pox i never had them as a kid so it's a good idea for that. same with polio and a few others [11:08] chicken pox is part of being a kid [11:09] chicken pox for infants is no laughing matter [11:09] and rare [11:09] chicken pox for infants is no laughing matter [11:09] polio is rare [11:09] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:09] mercury in your brain is no laughing matter [11:09] SupernalTriad, yeah chicken pox for a child yes. but like myself if he doesn't get them in his early childhood i want to have him get the shot to prevent it in adult hood [11:10] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [11:10] i was exposed to it so much but i never got it [11:10] nix_chix0r, dont circumsize either [11:10] do you have MMR jabs in the US? [11:10] nix_chix0r, thats just rude [11:10] circumsizing is rude? [11:11] male circumcision is a crime agaisnt humanity [11:11] and mostly only americans do it....circumsize the goyim! [11:11] that's a touchy subject [11:11] how would you like to be circumsized at birth? [11:11] it's preference of the parents is what it comes down to [11:11] very traumatic [11:11] TeenGirl- (i=cccccccc@41.236.14.67) joined ##slackware. [11:12] and very wrong to take away all those nerve cells [11:12] I think it's common in africa and india too perhaps [11:12] SupernalTriad: you realise you're being quite the arsehole, right? [11:12] out of all the things that are wrong with the world [11:12] spook, then ignore me, douche [11:12] why do people choose to debate shit like circumsizion [11:13] Gargantua: because we're bored? [11:13] my bf had told me that he'd get massively picked on by guys his age in school for that [11:13] because we want the next generation to have a choice [11:13] personally i could care [11:13] and not some social brainwashing choose for us [11:14] hence why i'd like her child to not be chemically lobotomized by vaccines [11:14] before it even starts to develop cognitive abilities [11:14] i have an idea SupernalTriad why don't you produce one and leave my parenting ideals to myself [11:14] SupernalTriad: how about you produce some articles in medical journals supporting your argument, or stfu. [11:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [11:14] indeed [11:14] at least once it is somewhat smart, you can see the effect of vaccines on its intelligence....i got a free flu shot once...and i lost 30% of my iq for 4 years [11:15] SupernalTriad: how about you produce some articles in medical journals supporting your argument, or stfu. [11:15] spook, because i cant post 15 links in here [11:15] Asmadeus (n=asmadeus@unaffiliated/asmadeus) joined ##slackware. [11:15] the foreskin also protects against std's because it generates a natural anti-biotic [11:16] look it up [11:16] i mean the vaccines [11:16] /join #foreskin [11:16] haha, ok...how bout al ink to the search results of my personal server [11:16] he's never gona have sex=) [11:17] yeah but is that the solution or the problem? [11:17] :) [11:17] http://24.126.181.37/O/search?q=vaccination&cmd=Search%21 [11:17] it's my solution [11:17] hahaha [11:17] lol [11:17] nix_chix0r: thought you were talking circumcision, not castration :P [11:17] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [11:17] well maybe i don't want to breast feed either. i dont want to feel like i'm a beer tap but for milk [11:17] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:17] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:18] 9. David Kirby: Government Concedes Vaccine-Autism Case in Federal Court - Now What? [11:18] nix_chix0r: needs the anti-bodies [11:18] nix_chix0r, breast feeding is proven to increase intelligence and physical resistances [11:18] never said i wouldn't pump i just don't want any one latching on to my boobs [11:18] COURT-CASE != CONCLUSIVE MEDICAL PROOF [11:19] spook, dude its well known that mercury has been in vaccines [11:19] and themerisol [11:19] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-164-86.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:19] plankton (n=peretto@200.195.137.98) left irc: [11:19] it's such a minute amount SupernalTriad [11:19] if you trust big pharma...realize that they make money off the treatment not the cure [11:19] small very small [11:19] so they'd love to have lifetime customers [11:19] nix_chix0r, you dont know how much is in there...any amount cuts dendrites in half [11:20] SupernalTriad, if that went on on purpose there would a national outcry and linching [11:20] upon contact [11:20] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Connection reset by peer [11:20] dive, oh really? [11:20] rm -rf fetus [11:20] dive, there is national outcry on a lot of things and nothing chances [11:20] changes* [11:20] SupernalTriad, if it was found out [11:20] nick01 (n=nick01@91.123.7.40) joined ##slackware. [11:21] just look at anti-abortionists [11:21] it has been found out...what about the Melanine in baby formula? ok the FDA just increases the "safe level" of it [11:21] the protest [11:21] dive, the ones wher ethe cops used nunchucks and broke peoples arms? [11:21] SupernalTriad, ever watch the news? [11:21] nope [11:21] anybody knows where I can find a kmplayer 0.11 package ? [11:21] what bout the BPA in baby bottles? [11:21] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:21] the fda just says its safe [11:22] when its clearly not, it feminizes males because BPA (bisphenol-a) mimics estrogen [11:22] then find some likeminded people and do something about it [11:22] thats why the are finding male crocodiles with penises smaller than clits and females with clits bigger than males penises [11:22] and frogs that are sterile [11:22] and fish etc etc [11:22] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [11:22] dangggggggg SupernalTriad lay off the wikipages [11:22] ? [11:23] then find some likeminded people and do something about it [11:23] form a protest/action group [11:23] dive, yeah right [11:23] he should write a book -1001 ways to kill your unborn child- [11:23] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.44) joined ##slackware. [11:23] and make a series [11:25] nix_chix0r, do you have any mercury-amalgun fillings? [11:25] no [11:25] yay [11:25] i have perfect teeth [11:25] take it to pm [11:25] Nicolee^19 (i=HARD-GUY@41.236.13.43) joined ##slackware. [11:26] spook, take your pms meds [11:27] i've come to conclusion i'm never going to upgrade to 12.2 or higher [11:27] nick01, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/kmplayer/ just update the slackbuild version numbers [11:27] nix_chix0r, why [11:27] you didn't get banned yet? [11:27] thrice`, i cant be banned [11:27] he is the man :P [11:27] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [11:27] SupernalTriad, tks, I was considering it but not sure it'll work since 0.10 is for kde 3 and 0.11 for kde 4 [11:27] sure you can [11:28] i don't want to kill my uptime on my other laptop and can't find the power adapter for my slacktop;p [11:28] nick01, its worth a try [11:28] thrice`, scary [11:28] SupernalTriad, is linuxpackages.net obsolete or something ? they dont even have a 12.2 section [11:28] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:28] linuxpackages.net is the devil [11:29] checked all the boxes in the basement and it is gone [11:29] nick01, http://www.linuxpackages.net/search_view.php?orderby=p_date&advance=DESC&ver=12.2 [11:30] spook: no it was wrote in PHP so it can't be that :P [11:30] linuxpackages.net is the devil. end of story. [11:30] spook is a retard, end of story [11:30] SupernalTriad, heh, they just didnt put it in that drop-down menu [11:30] SupernalTriad: yeah dont link people to lp [11:30] nick01: dont use lp.net [11:31] spook, ignored [11:31] avoid linuxpackages.net [11:31] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [11:31] spook, dive slackbuilds only then ? what about slacky.eu ? :) [11:31] yes avoid linuxpackages because it was by spook :P [11:32] linuxpackages is trash [11:32] if you can find a salckbuild use it [11:32] opinion [11:32] can someone now rub it in SupernalTriad's face [11:32] no, fact. lots of packages are built in non-clean environments [11:32] or edit it to fit your needs [11:32] thrice`, cry cry, people still will use them [11:32] add in the whole rootkit thing with mirroring their site [11:32] spook: is pat said the same things ? [11:33] yes, people will use them because morons like you recommend it [11:33] pat doesnt care [11:33] thrice`, ignored [11:33] omg, please don't [11:33] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "leaving" [11:33] haha [11:33] lol [11:33] oh man, rate this guy is going, he's going to ignore the entire channel and be talking to himself [11:33] anyway [11:33] heh [11:33] QUICK, EVERYONE, DISAGREE WITH SupernalTriad ON EVERYTHING [11:33] spook, he does that already [11:33] lol [11:34] SupernalTriad: Sir, I find your thoughts and ideas uninteresting. Please can you subscribe me to your /ignore list? [11:34] DO IIIIIT [11:34] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.90.90.50) joined ##slackware. [11:34] SupernalTriad: I am with you man don't worry :P [11:34] lol fred [11:34] fred, ignore me first [11:34] Happy to oblige :) [11:34] i only ignore dicks [11:34] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:35] SupernalTriad: but everyone here has a dick I think :S [11:35] lol gross [11:35] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) joined ##slackware. [11:35] :) [11:35] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.210.91) left irc: [11:35] this looks promising, only one person left. [11:36] Action: SupernalTriad checks happy penguin.com [11:36] .org [11:37] Action: Makaveli we have to ask 'The Man' about that : is linuxpackages are evil or angel ? [11:37] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:37] there are a bunch of zealots in here [11:38] Makaveli: comeon .. there must be atleast 1 female slackware user [11:38] they jump on a bandwagon so they can suck mods dicks [11:38] if you diss linuxpackages.net you are IN with the cool crowd [11:38] duryodhan: like you ? :P [11:39] duryodhan: theres a female gentoo users [11:39] http://happypenguin.org/show?TA3D [11:39] Action: spook glares at nix_chix0r [11:39] don't glare at me [11:39] Action: duryodhan just realized that there is no hope of getting laid as a slack user [11:39] SupernalTriad: before open this site we have to ask spook first [11:39] lol [11:40] can i haz permizon? [11:40] Makaveli: wtf is happypenguin [11:40] i've been using this leenux for a long time [11:40] no wonder gentoo users get laid ... you don't waste time in front of computer ... "its been compiling for two years now" [11:40] ive been using slackware for...10 years or more, i dont count [11:40] spook: maybe you have another end of story about it :P [11:40] you won't get laid as a gentoo user [11:41] nix_chix0r, you can sell your homes heater though [11:41] lol [11:41] nix_chix0r: you'll get laid, flat, on the floor, after i knock you out for being a traitor :P [11:41] SupernalTriad, not a chance i require heat where i am [11:41] install gentoo! [11:41] Sleepymess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:41] nix_chix0r: get him to ignore you! [11:42] i have both ! [11:42] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4C7DD.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:42] just don't version me i'm embarassed of my windows [11:42] nix_chix0r: "jump on the bandwagon" by saying linuxpackages.net sucks [11:42] oh yes linuxpackages.net sux0rz [11:42] linux packages is all SupernalTriad can figure out :) [11:43] "just" [11:43] they don't follow the "minimum dependencies" rule, they don't document their dependenecies, they don't enforce building in a clean chroot, and they don't do enough QA. [11:43] google.com sux0rz [11:43] fred, and no one cares [11:43] TeenGirl- (i=cccccccc@41.236.14.67) left irc: No route to host [11:43] SupernalTriad: clearly fred does [11:43] there's also some other past issues not directly related to the packages. [11:44] someone possibly might want to tell SupernalTriad who fred is. [11:44] who is fred ? [11:44] or not. might be more funny [11:44] some goy who thinks his opinion matters [11:44] duryodhan: maybe have a look at #slamd64 maybe. [11:44] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejd143.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Connection timed out [11:44] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [11:45] yep definately more funny when he doesnt know [11:45] Hello, I got an error when starting gtk program like firefox saying: no display specified [11:45] i wonder how much of this i can noobfarm [11:46] pip, are you su'd as root [11:46] pip: sounds like your perms in /tmp are off [11:46] pages [11:46] nick01 (n=nick01@91.123.7.40) left irc: "Leaving" [11:46] yeah, clearly FF should be loaded as root [11:46] pip: did you install all of /x/ yet? [11:46] RaNdY (i=user@phcore.com) left irc: [11:46] if you want to run something as root, use kdesu appname from your user account [11:46] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] pip: the issue is almost for sure permissions in /tmp [11:46] s/something/"an x app"/ [11:46] Buggaboo (n=bug@ipd50a4203.speed.planet.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:46] thrice, wrong, FF should be loaded as user [11:47] are you a javascripter virus? [11:47] maxote: yes, I was being sarcastic :) SupernalTriad isn't as bright as he claims [11:47] maxote: google define: sarcasm [11:47] no, its too much [11:47] someone tell SupernalTriad who fred is now. [11:47] sarchasm the gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it [11:48] pip: can you check perms in /tmp ? 1777 is probably good [11:48] pip: you do actually have X11 running, right? [11:48] hi, where i can read info about configure my X system to works with a projector? [11:48] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [11:48] ovnicraft, do you have nvidia? [11:48] ovnicraft: a projector is just the same as a monitor as far as X is concerned [11:48] just google for dual head support [11:49] or, if you're on a recent intel card, xrandr [11:49] fred durst [11:49] SupernalTriad, intel [11:49] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [11:50] I wanna ask you something : I have a slackware DVD and I want to extract from it just the basic CD to install it in another PC without DVD reader but CD reader, is it possible ? [11:50] that sucks :( [11:50] Makaveli: yes. [11:50] BP{k}: ello [11:50] Makaveli, faster to download the cd iso [11:50] spook__ (n=spook@gaprea.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [11:50] most likely [11:50] I'm in xchat now : ) thanks [11:50] fred is the maintainer of slamd64 [11:50] SupernalTriad: it will be my last choice [11:50] pip: did you get any of that? :) [11:51] Makaveli, CD and DVD are +or- the same .iso but different sizes [11:51] BP{k}: how ? [11:51] SupernalTriad: go look it up. [11:51] Makaveli, you gotta burn a new disk eithr way...i dont think you'd want to be doing mkisofs and moving files around for an hour...what if you miss something [11:51] Makaveli: copy the dvd to the hard drive .. make a CD of the contents you want... see isolinux/README.TXT [11:51] SupernalTriad: maybe ! [11:51] BP{k}: ok [11:52] or I will try the NFS technique [11:52] spook__ (n=spook@gaprea.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:52] Makaveli, you still need a boot method i guess? [11:53] SupernalTriad: I don't think the NFS method is mentioned too [11:53] attempt 2 [11:53] Makaveli, don't waste time, buy a DVD lector, the DVDs are cheaper than CDs in $,¤,whatever per GB [11:53] notspook (n=spook@gaprea.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [11:53] thrice`, I just have installed x and fluxbox, configuring [11:54] SupernalTriad: hey, fred is the maintainer of slamd64. see #slamd64 that is his username [11:54] maxote: ok I think it's much better [11:54] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:54] also, linuxpackages.net sucks [11:54] notspook (n=spook@gaprea.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:54] lw0x15: ehlo. [11:55] okay lets find some more machines i manage to ignore avoid [11:55] Makaveli: even when using NFS as a boot method, you still need someway to load the installer. Unless you set up PXE [11:56] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) joined ##slackware. [11:56] BP{k}: ok [11:56] notspook (n=notspook@gaprea.lnk.telstra.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] isolinux/mkisofs is easier than setting up pxe...however if you alraedy have a pxe boot server running (tftp) you can do it real fast [11:56] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89-180-108-194.net.novis.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:56] SupernalTriad: can you hear me now? [11:57] notspook: I ear you just fine [11:57] nvision (n=hub@p4FC03EE2.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [11:57] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) joined ##slackware. [11:57] notspook: don't insist or he will add you to ignore list :P [11:57] Makaveli: i already am? [11:58] notspook: you think, therefore you are. [11:58] notspook: so it will be me who will add you to ignore list :P [11:59] Joker_-_: perhaps, you could inform our friend SupernalTriad here, that fred is infact the maintainer of slamd64, and knows what hes talking about when it comes to package creation? [11:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) left irc: Client Quit [11:59] notspook: perhaps [11:59] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) joined ##slackware. [11:59] stybla (i=stybla@anubis.turnovfree.net) joined ##slackware. [12:00] pxe is easy to setup [12:00] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) left irc: Client Quit [12:00] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) joined ##slackware. [12:01] SupernalTriad: hey wanna know something? [12:01] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.143.92) joined ##slackware. [12:01] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:01] Joker_-_, i know everything [12:01] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [12:01] why is this troll still here? [12:01] slimass64 sounds better :P [12:01] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [12:01] SupernalTriad: great, I dont have to tell you that then. [12:01] notspook: message transmitted [12:01] 5,000 dollars by donating eggs hurry up pregnancy [12:01] Joker_-_: -_- [12:01] because I don't think we have ops anymore [12:02] nix_chix0r: need a sperm donor? [12:02] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) left irc: Client Quit [12:02] straterra: we could probally get him klined for racism [12:02] and the ignore list grows [12:02] no, if i become an egg donar you get 5grand per cycle [12:02] hmm [12:02] thats dumb [12:02] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "bye" [12:02] Only because I have no eggs [12:02] apparently the longer you use slackware the more you treat people like crap [12:02] well my eggs are better than your sperm. genetically [12:03] SupernalTriad: In that case..you're a bloody idiot [12:03] so if SupernalTriad is a 10 year user, he must treat people like dirt [12:03] SupernalTriad: you've been using slackware forever? :D [12:03] Joker_-_, ziiing [12:03] nix_chix0r: LIES..my sperm are strong and intelligent..and..can i borrow some eggs? [12:03] nope [12:03] why not [12:03] Joker_-_: he's still one of the orginal SLS users ;) [12:03] i should stop using irssi on a client's machine [12:03] BP{k}: lol [12:04] notspook (n=notspook@gaprea.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:04] ignore is the key to piss off ppl :) [12:04] straterra, cause i''d have to charge [12:04] nix_chix0r: no fair [12:04] Joker_-_, also the solution to pissed off people [12:05] all the people on my ignore list have like...one friend [12:05] SupernalTriad: why are you still here? [12:05] SupernalTriad: thats so deep. I think I'll have to reboot. [12:05] lol [12:06] better when they dont know they are ignored [12:06] anyway, is that mainly a helping channel or a hanging around slackers channel? [12:07] if anyone needs help [12:07] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [12:07] helping channel [12:07] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) joined ##slackware. [12:07] assisted suicide channel [12:07] and helping people means telling them not to use linuxpackages.net [12:07] so it's an helping channel, but chatting is "accepted". humk cool ;) [12:07] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejj231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:08] SupernalTriad seems set on insisting people use linuxpackages.net [12:08] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:08] acidchild (i=ash@dubstep.7a69.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:08] spook: and whats bad about it? [12:08] Joker_-_, they have a history of providind bad packets. [12:09] Mess[i]ah (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) left irc: Connection timed out [12:09] make install on samba4 [12:09] < fred> they don't follow the "minimum dependencies" rule, they don't document their dependenecies, [12:09] they don't enforce building in a clean chroot, and they don't do enough QA. [12:09] slackytude: well, Windows has an history of providing bugged software and it's still one of the most used world-wide ;) [12:09] compare that to slackbuilds.org [12:10] spook: humk... what about slapt-get? [12:10] if windows jumped off a cliff, would you follow? [12:10] dont get me started on slapt-get [12:10] yeah slackbuilds rocks! [12:10] dive: I'd laugh ;) [12:10] what about all those people who use debian repos [12:10] bad packages galore [12:10] gentoo's ebuilds are bad often times [12:11] now he seems to be arguing against himself [12:11] even slackbuilds are bad and outdated [12:11] SupernalTriad: yeah but if you use gentoo on the bleeding edge, you where looking for trouble ;) [12:11] slackware-current has a history of having packages with exploits [12:11] exploitable bugs [12:12] this guy is seriously asking for a lifetime ban [12:12] such as? [12:12] anything that gets security patched [12:12] slackware is one of the most "stable" distros heh [12:12] ... [12:12] I doubt thats a good example of "unsecure" distro ;) [12:12] nachox: ban him; he's been trolling for 2 hours or so [12:12] its just showing how stupid the conversation is [12:12] It wasn't known to be exploitable when it went it. [12:13] 3 hours [12:13] s/hours/days/ [12:13] he was trying to convince nix_chix0r how to raise her child for the first hour [12:13] be careful, as he's apparently un-bannable, though [12:13] of course the fact that most security patches in slackware stable/-current have CVE's attached to them has obviously nothing to do with it. [12:14] the fact that 10% of packages are "unclean" to zealots doesnt mean all the packages suck [12:14] ... [12:14] It means all zealots suck [12:14] it means that some people like to be able to trust a package source [12:14] this twat needs to shut up [12:15] wow more personal attacks...ignored again [12:15] if a supermarket had 10% rotten apples, and another didnt, which would you buy from? [12:15] something in the slackware cool-aid [12:15] Action: eviljames likes to feed trolls. [12:15] Action: maxote fucking on is not good for your health [12:15] spook: what if the other that doesnt have rotten apples doesnt have apples at all? :) [12:15] Kerio2004 (n=Port@212.118.143.92) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:15] well in keeping with the anology [12:15] i'd grow my own apples [12:16] spook: better have to select your good apples than not having apples at all (I do not support Apple products) [12:16] lol [12:16] maxote, watch the language [12:16] theres no way to tell a good apple from a bad apple (like SupernalTriad is a bad apple) in this analogy [12:16] spook: would take you forever to have your appels, as I could get mine by selecting them carefully in less than 15 minutes, no? [12:17] spook: I think you miss your point there heh [12:17] CrabFace (n=CrabFace@89-138-190-228.bb.netvision.net.il) joined ##slackware. [12:17] in this analogy apples grow very fast. [12:17] spook: oh, yeah well if thweres is no way to tell what is good and whats not, then thats bad [12:17] which is what happens with linuxpackages.net [12:17] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:17] CrabFace (n=CrabFace@89-138-190-228.bb.netvision.net.il) left ##slackware. [12:17] and SupernalTriad, you clearly dont like slackware users, what are you doing here? trying their patience? [12:18] spook: that would be like fucking a different girl every night without a condom ;) [12:18] you have no verifiable way of know wether a package has vetted [12:18] nachox, im here to talk to the people who dont call me names [12:18] nachox: thats currently 3 people. [12:18] SupernalTriad: ROBERT! BOB! ROGER! [12:19] i've got most the middle schoolers ignored now, so....we can continue working [12:19] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.155) left irc: "leaving" [12:19] nvision (n=hub@p4FC03EE2.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:19] I agree that personal insults shouldnt be allowed tho [12:19] Joker_-_: Why not, idiot? [12:19] ;) [12:20] eviljames: :~( [12:20] nachox: before he ignored me, he was launching quite a few personal attacks against me. [12:20] Joker_-_: I do like your policy of fucking different girls every night w/o condoms though. [12:20] eviljames: 'caus it hurst me feeling [12:20] lol [12:20] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] nachox: explain why linuxpackages.net is not a good package source and watch what happens [12:20] eviljames: thank you, mother fucking asshole [12:20] my virgin eyes! [12:20] Joker_-_: I like your style. +1 friend for you [12:20] :D lol [12:21] SupernalTriad, that's expected when you start misstreating regulars and giving answers like " i know everything", behave or get out [12:21] nachox, yeah thats going to work....right [12:21] actually, there are many sorries [12:21] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [12:21] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) left irc: "Leaving" [12:21] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@64.235.198.*' by nachox!n=Ignacio@190.51.59.172 [12:21] Joker_-_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned [12:22] why.... [12:22] That's what happens if you get friendly with eviljames. banned! [12:22] i've warned people about the language here many times here, there are children here [12:22] eviljames: i think you're next [12:22] nachox: There are children here? [12:22] eviljames: quick, make a run for it! [12:22] Actually, yes. [12:23] Most of them act fairly maturely, too. [12:23] spook, keep out of it please [12:23] That actually surprises me, only on grounds that I didn't realize young'uns were still going to irc. [12:23] duryodhan (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-cc89e7e5e5f14f53) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120908]" [12:24] they should get off our lawn! [12:24] clijunkie (i=pberry@67.223.226.64) joined ##slackware. [12:24] slackytude: I don't know why, but when timed as well as that "get off my lawn" still makes me chuckle. [12:25] [ in bed ] [12:25] i have noticed that SupernalTriad has gone VERY quiet in the lat 4 minutes [12:25] eviljames: i don't know why i've imagined something :p [12:25] eviljames, ^-^ [12:26] spook: He's just preparing a magnificent troll. I'm expecting something along the lines of f1rstp0st [12:26] frist psot [12:26] Good Morning. Is there a way to force a text browser to use a specific virtual interface? I need to find out what external IPs are set. [12:26] eviljames: wait till nachox goes away or is idle for more than 20mi... [12:26] clijunkie: wouldn't ifconfig -a work? [12:26] lol [12:27] clijunkie: set a default route [12:27] eviljames: These are NAT'd [12:27] clijunkie: Alternatively http://www.whatsmyip.com/ [12:27] route add default gw ip dev interface [12:27] clijunkie: no [12:27] clijunkie: not that site, it's parked. [12:27] there are enemies here I have to choose my clan :P [12:27] parked? [12:27] clijunkie: http://www.whatsmyip.org [12:27] whatismyip.com [12:27] eviljames: That's the idea but I have to test each interface. [12:27] spook: Thank you [12:28] SupernalTriad: what is the name of your clan ? [12:28] :P [12:28] clijunkie: routing tables are the only thing that determine what interface is used. [12:28] clijunkie: ahh, I blinked and didn't clue in that there was more than 1 ip. [12:28] Makaveli, SlackwareExperts [12:29] LOL [12:29] im the only member :( [12:29] slackwaretrolls more like [12:29] SupernalTriad: is that a CS clan? :) [12:29] SupernalTriad: how much will you pay to got one ? :P [12:29] nethack clan [12:29] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:29] SupernalTriad: I can't imagine why you'd have no friends... [12:30] but if there is Slackwomen I will choose it for free :P [12:30] eviljames, because they would smoke all my pot, so buried them in the back yard [12:30] katmio (n=juanma@89.129.29.174) left irc: "leaving" [12:30] Ian_Daniher|XO (n=olpc@69.61.230.246) joined ##slackware. [12:30] SupernalTriad: Wow, that's really stingy. I can't imagine being that obnoxious over pot.. You must be American. [12:31] does slackware use sys v init systems or bsd init systems? [12:31] SystemV [12:31] bsd [12:31] bsd of course [12:31] with bsd style scripts [12:31] it's an anti System V :P [12:31] haha [12:32] Ian_Daniher|XO, are you trying to start a fight! [12:32] ok - debian's system v init system is grating on me [12:32] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:32] it uses /etc/rc.d, which is bsd enough for me :) [12:32] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.167.44) joined ##slackware. [12:32] debian sucks [12:32] they are not that different [12:32] Makaveli, im with you [12:33] I really like debian overall, but it molests upstream code and uses runlevels which seem overly complex [12:33] I'd not go that far [12:33] SupernalTriad: so we will call our clan Slackdebiansucks [12:33] LOL [12:33] Weren't they responsible for the ssh thing? [12:33] true [12:33] haha [12:33] Makaveli: why does it (debian) suck? [12:33] yea...the nsa runs debian [12:33] Ian_Daniher|XO: What's the point of molesting upstream if you're going to fail so miserably? :) [12:33] eviljames, openssl actually [12:33] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [12:33] eviljames: haha [12:33] the whole debian beaurocracy is horrible [12:33] stybla: because they are not subgenious like us LOL [12:34] I'm torn between arch and slack atm [12:34] have you seen a diagram of the approval process for a patch? [12:34] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:34] lots of people are leaving arch it seems [12:34] Makaveli: oh! :) [12:34] spook: the bureaucracy keeps debian stable, not a good paradigm, but an efficient one [12:34] Action: Makaveli I love slackware because I believe in JOVAH hhhhhhhhhh [12:34] nachox: ahh, yeah, my mistake. [12:34] YHVH [12:35] the tetragrammaton! [12:35] hhahhahahaah [12:35] the kernel bureaucracy is like, 10 levels of complexity simplier that debian's [12:35] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@189-015-75-070.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [12:35] rob0 (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) left ##slackware ("bye"). [12:35] spook: no, never did care about such things :) [12:35] i'm betting redhat's approval scheme is just as thorough [12:36] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) joined ##slackware. [12:36] you mean, fedora core? [12:36] fedora. ew. [12:36] hehe [12:36] you know a distro is broken when they need to patch every package they compile for their idiot users [12:36] fc is still redhat? i thought they've parted. [12:36] spook: but the real success of Slackware is think to the bureaucracy and even more THE DICTATORY :P [12:37] stybla: its a joke. as in, fedora is a testing ground for redhat features. [12:37] right [12:37] so you get some 17 year old writing patches for openssl [12:37] and all the idiots use it for a year [12:38] it's where redhat test their code [12:38] stybla: http://rk4n3.daemonx.com/fedora.jpg [12:38] Hey .. if that 17 yr old knows wtf he's doing.. I don't care. [12:38] spook: i see. i'm sorry - i just do worship slackware and some adepts in case "what if" Pat got upset, or slackware took wrong turn imao. [12:38] you have no idea how complex openssl is, he'd have to be a bright 17 years old to even understand what he is doing [12:38] mbhayes, if you let people modify the prng.... [12:38] nachox: I was just going to go there! There's no way some random 17 year old would get a patch accepted for openssl [12:38] people should know about it [12:38] rk4n3: hehe :p [12:39] stybla: if slackware went belly-up, you could still use 12.2 nothing would change to existing releases [12:39] http://www.metasploit.com/users/hdm/tools/debian-openssl/ [12:39] spook: i know, but i can't be arsed to upgrade (build) every package by myself ;) [12:39] spook: i'm still lazy [12:40] slackware, embrace your inner slacker! [12:40] it will still work [12:40] stybla: so windows merit you :) [12:40] ... [12:40] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:40] stybla, pat'd be very rich if he got a few cents every time someone complains about slackware's management :P [12:40] Makaveli: that was a teasing, right?! [12:40] stybla: i think you're missing my point. [12:41] the only way to learn is to break things on your own and fix them on your own [12:41] nachox: i'm not complaining. [12:41] nachox: I think stybla was more stating the fact that they are lazy :P [12:41] ohh, we are [12:41] :D [12:41] "they" :) [12:41] I say "they" as I have no idea what gender you are. [12:41] So "they" is safer. [12:42] i'd have banned half this channel if writing /ban someone wasnt that long ;) [12:42] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Client Quit [12:42] stybla: sorry but there is no place for lazy people in open source software as I think :S [12:42] mbhayes: no. i just say, i'm using slackware base (core) packages and the rest is "my own" :) [12:42] Makaveli: There's *plenty* of room of lazy people in open source. [12:42] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Makaveli: you know nothing about me, so stop making asumptions like this one :s [12:42] they are called "paying users" :) [12:43] right ! [12:43] Makaveli: but i do agree with you ;) [12:43] i paid over 100 dollars for slackware [12:43] spook: what was the point, btw? [12:43] and I think that they can survive very well in Microsoft environment [12:43] SupernalTriad: Then you got ripped off [12:43] I don't .. there is a whole difference between "being lazy" and "being lazy" ;) [12:43] mbhayes, i consider it a donation [12:44] Then you didn't pay for anything. [12:44] mbhayes, maybe he bought many slackware releases :P [12:44] SupernalTriad, thanks for the money [12:44] stybla: that because pat might get upset, doesnt mean your running slackware will breakk [12:44] nachox: hehe [12:44] BP{k}: are you philosopher :P ? [12:44] nachox: In time, I will donate money .. right now all i can donate is time. [12:44] Makaveli: not really. but enough to know there can be a difference between the two. [12:45] mbhayes, so, how are your windows doing? ;) [12:45] BP{k}: can you explain more :P [12:45] nachox: My windows? [12:45] Action: mbhayes is confused [12:45] spook: ah, you got me wrong. i meant it like - he just stop working on updates - stuff like that. i surelly didn't mean my slackware is going to break. and i guess i'd be forced to do all stuff by myself ;) [12:45] firebird619 (n=firebird@173-18-59-207.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:45] nachox: come on, we all know mbhayes lives in the basement ;) [12:45] Nicolee^19 (i=HARD-GUY@41.236.13.43) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:45] spook: i doubt i'd move to another distro. i'm too used and too comfy with slackware ;) [12:45] BP{k}: shhh [12:45] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:45] lol [12:45] Makaveli: yes, I can. [12:46] kjell (i=kjellkod@codebase.nu) joined ##slackware. [12:46] spook: however, i have some options - why not :) [12:46] haya [12:46] stybla: lot of people would still work on patches. [12:46] Mtn Dew refill time. [12:46] Action: nachox remembers Dominian managing a few windows servers and has good memory when it comes to making other people's life misserable with short comments [12:46] mbhayes, mmm mercury [12:47] spook: yeah. i hope Pat changed it from one-man-show ... as i've read "slackware team" or something like that somewhere (web page or readme, i don't remember). yeh, i'm sure about this one - agreed. [12:47] no no the true philosopher is => nachox and nothing else [12:47] stybla: theres rworkman and alienBOB to start with. [12:47] nachox: haha [12:47] nachox: They are all doing well. [12:48] /bind mouse1 kill [12:48] the guys managing the slackbuilds are helping [12:48] i would probably go the LFS route if slackware unexplicably was abandoned (i mean if all the other guys like rworkman and alienbob and pat for some reason got tired of it(i know this would never happen)) [12:48] stitchman, just fork slackware [12:48] sporkware [12:49] Makaveli, I can explain, but then you would never reach true enlightment, young grasshopper. ;) [12:49] A while back, Pat got pretty sick.. few people from this channel setup slacksec.org to provide "unofficial" security patches while PV was out of commission... worked out quite well [12:49] spook: no worries. i do my own packages, but i'm too lazy/busy/and quite unexperienced (yet) to do core packages. well, in a fact i never had to do so. [12:49] stitchman, silverware [12:49] lol [12:49] spook: it's like - why to bother, if somebody else does it for you. it leaves you more time to do another things. [12:49] stybla: most of the work is done upstream [12:50] heh, AFAIK, there are already plans in place, if Patrick would ever unable to continue Slackware. [12:50] i got a job interview ohhh boyyyy [12:50] like patches submitteed to official mailing lists etc [12:50] nix_chix0r: awesome! way to go! [12:50] nix_chix0r: nice :) [12:50] true enlightenment has to do with activating your pineal gland (crown chakra) and increasing bloodflow to your corpus collosum...maybe [12:50] i can work from home [12:50] 700 a week:d [12:50] BP{k}: you are insulting me :) [12:50] nix_chix0r, link to webcam! [12:50] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:51] not webcam. domain hosting company [12:51] hahaha [12:51] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: "Leaving" [12:51] booooo, i like preggers [12:51] ... [12:51] EuroTrash (i=unices@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:51] screening applications and other misc shit [12:51] Makaveli: you're funny [12:51] Makaveli: how? :P [12:52] spook: but I never insulted someone :) [12:52] Makaveli: the only one in this channel [12:52] slackytude2 (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] spook: i guess, nothing unusual. i never did care about slackware process to be honest, but i came over other projects, so ... as i said, other things to worry about. [12:52] nix_chix0r: at least its IT work and not telemarketing [12:52] BP{k}: funny don't mean coward :) [12:53] tribeca (n=naitso@host11-7-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Action: Makaveli I am a boxer too :D [12:53] yeah. i've done IT related work before. i worked for northwest airlines for 2 years [12:53] Makaveli: No, I asked, how did I insult you? [12:53] and its from home. working from home rocks [12:53] BP{k}: BP{k}> Makaveli, I can explain, but then you would never reach true enlightment, young grasshopper. ;) [12:53] spook: not whenyou have a 4yr old at home [12:53] :) [12:53] and since i don't have to be on the phone 24/7 i wont have to worry if a baby is makin noise [12:54] name your baby patrick [12:54] nah [12:55] Ian_Daniher|XO (n=olpc@69.61.230.246) left ##slackware. [12:55] it's about time 6months being at home i was going nuts [12:55] no I prefer Bob Dobbs [12:55] :P [12:55] Makaveli: uhm, okay. I fail to see how that is insulting. [12:55] Makaveli: yeah well, house husband would be awesome. [12:55] erm [12:55] misfire! [12:56] BP{k}: no problem man it was just a different perception :) [12:56] perception is the mother of assumption! [12:56] how to make my eyes not tired :-/ [12:56] mbhayes: being a house husband would be awesome [12:56] Makaveli: never seen the "kung fu" series with David Carradine? [12:57] lw0x15: drink Vodka ruskaya [12:57] :P [12:57] lw0x15, get rid of the fluorescent lights or crappy refresh rate [12:57] BP{k}: not yet but the all story of Mohamed ALI :P [12:58] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "¬" [12:58] mohamed something-september-11thy [12:58] i'm naming him oliver [12:58] how about Spawn? [12:58] SupernalTriad: ehu ehu ehu ehu [12:59] Makaveli: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grasshopper (SEE #2) [12:59] SupernalTriad: there is different perception about this subject don't believe bush ones :) [12:59] Makaveli, im not a nazi like the bush family [13:00] SupernalTriad: but you have to know that the name of 'Mohamed' is very sacred :) [13:01] I'm actually surprised that didn't lead to banning. [13:01] fAu (n=fAu@81-174-13-169.static.ngi.it) left irc: "42" [13:01] yeah its pretty bad [13:01] Mohamed is the most popular name on earth. [13:01] eviljames, banning for facts? its well documented [13:01] probally a kline even [13:02] eviljames: followed by windows :p [13:02] BP{k}: so I am sorry, the definition that I have read was grasshopper the animal [13:02] stybla: hehe. [13:03] SupernalTriad: I was talking about the mohamed comment. And, Prescott Bush was a financier for the Nazis, not a Nazi himself. If you're going to quote "facts" you might as well get them right. [13:03] SupernalTriad, we tend to stay away from politics because they trigger the worse arguments. Luckily this time it didnt [13:03] SupernalTriad: He profited from, not participated in. Mov on. [13:03] cant we just ban him and claim it as a preventitive measure? [13:04] josemanuel (n=josemanu@178.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:04] eviljames, if you say so [13:04] spook: i'd comment on that one :) [13:04] ok ok I will remember you that a community means multi cultures too :S so I am Muslim so you have to respect me, And I trying to create a Muslim Slackware community to probably can contribute [13:04] slackytude (i=1009@g227091181.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:04] here we go. [13:05] I repeat Mohamed is a sacred name like Jesus for Christians [13:05] end of story [13:05] he's been called out on something, he'll change subject [13:06] what about halli salasi i - king of kings lord of lords conquering lion of the tribe of judah [13:06] sacred but long name [13:07] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-50-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) joined ##slackware. [13:07] SupernalTriad: it's not my business but I got to respect him because you believe in it [13:07] obama is the new messiah! [13:07] i guess i'm off to read something... [13:08] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.84) joined ##slackware. [13:08] i suggest united nations agenda 21, global 2000, or the draft covenant on environment and development [13:08] I don't care I said you have to respect my religion as I did everytime [13:08] or club of rome, the limits of growth [13:09] man, some of Pratchets books have a morbid undertone since Ive seen his interview about his Alzheimer dieases [13:09] slackytude, was it caused by excess aluminum intake? [13:10] slackytude: yeah I am looking forward to seeing that. should be aired here soon. [13:10] SupernalTriad, not everyone licks aluminum [13:10] BP{k}, its on youtube, if we mean the same [13:11] Scientists at the Institute for Neurological Research at the University of California have treated around 50 patients at a private clinic by injecting an anti-arthritic drug, etanercept, into the spinal column in the neck and then tilting the patients to encourage the drug to flow to the brain. [13:11] Injection 'could cure Alzheimer's in minutes' [13:11] Ive found it to be pretty emotional, which is no suprise but he was still making jokes, but the audience was too scared too laugh [13:12] altho scared is probably the wrong word [13:12] he's like HEY PEOPLE IM NOT DEAD YET [13:12] nor senile [13:12] slackytude: could be. this is gonna be aired this coming wednesday [13:12] BP{k}, worth a look [13:13] slackytude: http://tinyurl.com/asvvp7 [13:14] nah, not the same, then [13:14] Karu (n=Karu@78-28-93-146.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [13:14] BOO RING [13:14] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:14] http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=Z44ip5kYQ8w [13:15] Gargantua: even you are going to be old, one day ;) [13:15] you guys see the new youtube ripper [13:15] says who? [13:15] just put pwnyoutube.com instead of youtube.com and it will rip the video [13:15] charle97 (n=c@udp010935uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:15] I'll probably die in a bank heist or some cool shit like that [13:15] Gargantua, or a neutron bomb [13:15] hehe :) [13:15] but most likely starvation [13:16] SupernalTriad: starvation? [13:16] yeah you know...like 1 million died in the last depression...when 90% of the population was rural [13:16] now its 70% urban and we have the worst food distribution system ever devised [13:17] was that like 500 years ago? [13:17] slackbunny (n=slackbun@173.9.254.98) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:17] there's always breadlines if you give up your guns and take their vaccine / rfid chip [13:18] stybla, try 50 [13:18] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [13:18] amorette (n=amorette@124.49.51.183) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:19] is you mean 1929, thats 80 years [13:19] SupernalTriad: ok, and where? because i'm not familiar with such event and i doubt it was Eu/USA/islands [13:19] The Great Depression was a worldwide economic downturn starting in most places in 1929 and ending at different times in the 1930s or early 1940s for different countries. [13:19] that's not 50 years ago :) [13:19] nor 500 [13:20] nor 5 [13:20] figured i would even out the divisions by 10 [13:20] its not 55 either [13:20] SupernalTriad: i'm still not worried at all. [13:20] or 555 or 5.5 or 55.5 [13:21] or .5 [13:21] stybla, burn your tv [13:21] SupernalTriad: don't scare us :P [13:21] SupernalTriad: i don't own one :) [13:21] Dude [13:21] stybla: It was in hex. [13:21] stybla: It was 0x50 years ago. [13:21] duuuuuuude 4 str 4 stam leather belt [13:21] eviljames: alright :D [13:22] stybla: You had misplaced a zero and forgotten an x. : [13:22] clijunkie (i=pberry@67.223.226.64) left ##slackware. [13:22] wait a second. Why am I defending SupernalTard? [13:22] SupernalTriad: actually, there is over-production of food as i've been told. [13:23] its the distribution system stupid! [13:23] _NaCl_ (n=NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [13:23] thats name calling. [13:23] study systems theory and the delicate balance of modern society [13:23] interdependence [13:23] Action: Makaveli night night [13:24] Makaveli (n=chatzill@196.206.236.248) left irc: "forza Slackware" [13:25] stybla, that would suprise me. can you source it? [13:25] slackytude: what do you mean? food over-production? [13:25] its all about false scarcity [13:26] stybla, yes [13:26] slackytude: I wouldn't be too surprised about that. The over production would happen for North America / West Europe. [13:26] thats why supply and demand is making no sense at all...companies are raising prices because they are selling less...wtf [13:26] We throw away enough food to feed the planet. [13:27] eviljames, not in recent years, either you are not uptodate or I aint [13:27] no one wants u.s. beef or genetically modified foods....except amurkinz [13:27] slackytude: Probably me. [13:27] slackytude: All I know is that I am well fed. :P [13:27] heh [13:27] higher caloric intake can decrease lifespan [13:28] especially if its msg laden [13:28] SupernalTriad: Are you just typing random words at the keyboard without any sense of what they mean when put together, or what? [13:28] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:28] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] eviljames, must i lower myself to your level? [13:29] so you can understand [13:29] SupernalTriad: Because, for example, MSG is neither good nor bad for you. Naturally occuring glutamates from soy and such are not bad for you. Chemically processed tends to lead to allergic reactions. [13:29] slackytude: if you mean by articles on the internet, no. [13:29] SupernalTriad: and higher caloric intake can also increase life span... [13:29] SupernalTriad: And supply & demand are not the reason for higher prices due to lower sales.... [13:29] just last year there was concern abouts the US stratetic reserve of wheat, as there was none. that was the first time in many yearsm the US couldnt provide food if anything went wrong. Id be suprised if the situation improved dramatically [13:30] eviljames, do you know the term excito-toxin? [13:30] SupernalTriad: i'm not from the USA and everything is pretty much close around here. as i said, i'm not that worried. [13:30] slackytude, they used to have 30 days for every man woman and child [13:30] its less than 1 now [13:30] tenlet (n=verso@pool-96-248-113-159.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Action: slackytude nods [13:30] souds about right [13:31] and the elite are making "doomsday seed vaults" [13:31] look it up [13:31] nom nom radishes [13:31] while we eat GM food [13:31] hahahaha [13:31] "the elite" are making doomsday seed vaults... hilarious. [13:31] non-slack question: Do wireless USB adapters slow down your internet connection more so than a wired? [13:31] eviljames, look it up [13:31] tenlet, less bandwitdht, higher latency [13:31] tenlet: usb 2.0 iirc is faster than wifi. [13:32] wait wireless usb? [13:32] Just got FiOS installed, im running at 5.5 DL/ 4.5 UL when my roommate gets 19.7 DL/ 5 UL [13:32] but im using a D-Link wireless USB adapter [13:32] and he is wired [13:32] it is that much slower? [13:32] tenlet: That's correct. [13:32] yes [13:32] yup [13:32] yeesh [13:32] disable encryption [13:32] eviljames: if SupernalTriad is talking about what i think, then yes, it's true. [13:32] tenlet: 5.5 DL - 54MBit [13:33] stybla: Yeah, but the seed vault is a scientific project, not some shadowy "elite" thing [13:33] eviljames: 54MBit? [13:33] eviljames, oh really... [13:33] SupernalTriad: You mean disable the WEP ? [13:33] slackytude: well, EU is trying to control it. i've said it wrong way - the market is fed. there is some overproduction, but it's being punished. it makes no sense. [13:33] tenlet: 802.11G - 54 MBit is capacity, which (dividing by 8 to get bytes) would be *around* 5 megabytes per second. [13:33] slackytude: i mean, all those steps they are doing seem to be wrong. [13:34] eviljames: Ahhh [13:34] eviljames: well, yes ... and no. [13:34] eviljames, http://www.naturalnews.com/022829.html Investors Behind Doomsday Seed Vault May Provide Clues to Its Purpose (Part 2) [13:34] google is your firned [13:34] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-160-76-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:34] he group of investors includes The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, The Rockefeller Foundation, Monsanto Corporation, Syngenta Foundation, and the Government of Norway. [13:34] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) joined ##slackware. [13:34] Oh, then it must be the illumanit and nWo. [13:35] bill and melinda gates...listen to their foundations whistle blowers [13:35] :D [13:35] Alex Jones is right!!! [13:35] there is only one that i know of [13:35] Action: eviljames types in the first half of the ignore... [13:35] stybla, control what? and yes, EU food policies and subsudaries (sp?) is totally whaced [13:35] whaked [13:35] err [13:35] insane [13:35] whacked I believe [13:35] hahaha [13:35] slackytude: control production of own producers. [13:35] "If you control the oil you control the country; if you control the food you control the population." -- Henry Kissinger [13:36] tenlet: Wired would be 100 MB or 1000 MB [13:36] tenlet: Or 10, depending on the card ;) [13:36] and cable [13:36] and router/switch [13:36] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:36] SupernalTriald, they really don't control, they do as they went for themselves. [13:37] Action: stybla is off to read something -> laters [13:37] stybla: That would be more productive than this :) [13:37] eviljames: i believe it will ;) [13:37] picking ones nose is more productive [13:38] my roommate just bet me twenty bucks that my usb adapter goes higher than 5.5 DL / 54 MBit and jsut showed me his connection (he has a wireless card in his laptop) says 54 Mbps [13:39] what can i say to shut him up [13:39] "ur mom goes faster than 54mbit" [13:39] tenlet: Say "mbps = mega BITS per second" Divide by 8 to get bytes. [13:39] tenlet: and/or do speedtest.net and see if you get a different result. [13:40] tenlet: it won't get faster than 2-3MB/s HD in my opinion. [13:40] tenlet: He may actually come out ahead in a speed test, because of the databus that the internal wifi card is on vs. the usb one. [13:40] stybla, http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529 [13:40] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:41] hi guys :) [13:41] SupernalTriad: yes, i know about this one. [13:41] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: No route to host [13:41] You guys do realize that virtually nothing on globalresearch is correct, right? [13:41] SupernalTriad: okay, i didn't know it was called "Doomsday". [13:41] eviljames, what about the mainstream media [13:41] SupernalTriad: hahaha :D [13:41] SupernalTriad: Nothing is correct there, either. [13:41] hahaha [13:41] You know works the "vbc" Xorg module? [13:41] eviljames, so whats your point? [13:41] SupernalTriad: mainstream media? == what? [13:42] k_wolf_: sorry, can you rephrase? [13:42] SupernalTriad: the point is, take all "news" with a grain of salt [13:42] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:42] guys, random talk is ok when noone asks any slackware related question [13:42] rk4n3: thank you. [13:42] otherwise, it isnt [13:42] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] k_wolf_: Do you mean, how the vbc module works, or what it does? [13:42] eviljames: :) [13:42] SupernalTriad: let me tell you something. the only one correct thing is to get there and be there/see it through your own eyes. and even that wouldn't have to mean a thing. [13:42] nachox: roger that [13:43] stybla, it's real...its not denied, government of norway [13:43] hm [13:43] Last Result: [13:43] Download Speed: 5484 kbps (685.5 KB/sec transfer rate) [13:43] Upload Speed: 4562 kbps (570.3 KB/sec transfer rate) [13:43] join #slack-social then [13:43] SupernalTriad: oh, you are talking about this one. i thought you meant it in general way. [13:43] join #ubuntuwomen [13:43] tenlet: That seems a little slow, this is on the usb ? [13:44] yeah [13:44] fine i'll just sit in there myself [13:44] eviljames: i'm almost sure he ran some web connection meter. [13:44] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CB18.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:44] eviljames: thus, this is his ADSL speed. [13:44] stybla: He said earlier that he is on FiOS [13:44] iirc [13:44] eviljames/stybla: ran the speakeasy test [13:44] using FiOS [13:45] tenlet: Can you try sending data to/from local network? [13:45] tenlet: yes, but it won't get faster than your internet connection. [13:45] ping my router? [13:45] tenlet: try to transfer some data through LAN. [13:45] tenlet (n=verso@pool-96-248-113-159.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:46] tenlet: == between two computers at home. [13:46] lol [13:46] that looks like a good transfer speed to me [13:46] tenlet (n=verso@pool-96-248-113-159.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Im using a DWL-G122 usb adapter [13:47] This is on a job listing for a Director of IT: "While performing the duties of this job, the employee is regularly required to talk or hear. The employee frequently is required to stand, walk, sit, use hands to finger, handle, or feel objects, tools, or controls, reach with hands and arms, and taste or smell." [13:48] :D [13:48] fuzzbawl: ... hmm .. oh the possibilities ;) [13:48] fuzzbawl: are they looking for a clown? :) [13:48] BP{k}: the taste one threw me [13:48] fuzzbawl, that means they will offer you less than 50% of what you'd expect [13:48] SupernalTriad: oh definitely, it's a school [13:48] use hands to finger... [13:49] just dont use your hands to finger the students [13:49] that's in the gym teachers job description [13:49] learn from my mistakes [13:49] I should still be able to get 12 Mbps even if im using a crap USB adapter, shouldnt i? [13:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:50] tenlet depends on the wifi signal [13:50] tenlet: Possibly. Many other factors involved. [13:50] tenlet, use a wire [13:50] the USB bus, if connected to an actual USB 2.0 bus, can handle 12Mbps easily [13:50] well it's in the room underneath me [13:50] the router [13:50] it will be worth it [13:50] eviljames: what the vbc module does? I put it on my xorg file, it doesnt starts but i donno what it does and what could i do to make it works. [13:50] wifi is electrosmog...less microwaves the better [13:50] SupernalTriad: I know, but that would include dragging a cable from across the room [13:51] tenlet, you are going to get pissed off and do it eventually...so just do it now and disable wifi [13:51] run two wires for later [13:52] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:53] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) joined ##slackware. [13:54] k_wolf_: I don't have it in my xorg file, googling returns little results... [13:54] k_wolf_: Even the x.org page has nothing for vbc.. why did you put it in? [13:54] is anyone even listening to him anymore? [13:54] tenlet2 (n=verso@pool-96-248-113-159.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:55] spook: Listening to who? [13:55] spook: who? [13:55] what? [13:55] exactly [13:55] okay. [13:55] k_wolf_, check Xorg.0.log [13:55] in /var/log/ [13:55] [ in bed ] [13:56] la la la la i'm not listening [13:56] nix_chix0r: [ in bed ] [13:56] spook: that makes NO SENSE [13:56] i never do [13:56] you're not listening in bed? [13:56] straterra: it does actually [13:56] hohoho [13:56] cause i make the rules! [13:56] no it doesnt [13:56] if i cant hear you say no its not rape! [13:56] so..deaf people can't rape? [13:56] LIES [13:57] spook, not fair if you use duct tape [13:57] Ivo (n=ivo@232.213-167-21.asg.dcc.bg) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] woah look at this [13:57] http://wsms.wikiplanet.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=Xvnc_Fedora_setup_howto&printable=yes [13:57] and by not fair you mean super kinky, right? [13:57] eviljames: I'm trying to know what "vbc" module provides it at X [13:57] SupernalTriad: okay, I'm doing it. [13:57] tenlet2 (n=verso@pool-96-248-113-159.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:59] nix_chix0r: i didnt know you were into that kind of thing [13:59] Why would you know? [13:59] there's a lot people don't know about me [14:01] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [14:01] i have no idea what Load "vbc" does [14:01] _stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [14:01] someone say, but dont you know everything? [14:02] mwnn (n=user@59.92.197.227) joined ##slackware. [14:02] Typing git-gui command gives the "command not found" error. The executable seems to be there at /usr/libexec/git-core/ [14:03] mwnn: "git gui" [14:03] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] git-gui works for me [14:03] everything is now git blah instead of git-blah [14:03] spook: Thanks [14:03] export PATH=$PATH:/usr/libexec/git-core [14:03] my chan is better nah nah booboo [14:03] j0z (n=LINUX@189-30-185-220.ctame700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:04] or cd /usr/bin;ln -s /usr/libexec/git-core/git-gui [14:07] Guys, I have some random crashes on X. BadIDChoice, Major optcode 53 (X_CreatePixmap). Any idea wtf this is? [14:07] so xorg now has built in vnc suport? [14:07] and has for a while [14:08] Kaapa, bad memory? [14:08] SupernalTriad: I certainly don't think so [14:08] Kaapa, are you on kde 4.2? [14:08] nop [14:08] fvwm, ati driver [14:09] gah! [14:09] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Connection timed out [14:11] Google has a different opinion of mine. I'm looking for "vbc module" and It returns "vb" [14:11] :D [14:11] k_wolf_, i wouldnt worry about it...no one knows what it does [14:12] its probably some crap added by some other distro [14:12] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:12] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] tenlet (n=verso@pool-96-248-113-159.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [14:13] j0z_ (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Connection timed out [14:15] mwnn (n=user@59.92.197.227) left ##slackware ("ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)"). [14:17] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) left irc: Success [14:18] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) joined ##slackware. [14:18] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [14:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [14:20] irc client for emacs? [14:20] Action: slackytude shakes head [14:20] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h9n5c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) joined ##slackware. [14:20] i think emacs even has doom [14:22] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@64.235.198.* expired. [14:22] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@64.235.198.*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:23] What relatively modern operating system DOESN'T have doom? [14:25] exactly, emacs is an operating system [14:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "The game." [14:25] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] needs an editor, tho [14:26] Yeah, something usable. [14:26] Somebody should port notepad to emacs. That'd be the roxxors. [14:27] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [14:27] jkwood you should join #slack-social [14:27] someone should port notepad++ to linux] [14:28] We have one of those? [14:28] its mine [14:28] then port emacs to notepad++ [14:28] hi guys.. [14:28] mwuaahaha [14:28] nix_chix0r, first matriarchal channel ever [14:29] i setup a slackware as gateway server...with two ethernets..eth0==>wan ip eth1===>private-ip [14:29] problem now is my remote client cant ping my wan ip...but i can reach them... [14:30] port forward? [14:30] oh [14:30] whats your wan ip? [14:30] Superbaloo, naturally [14:30] my voice data cant push thorugh.... [14:30] errrr SupernalTriad [14:31] but i have internet connection with my network... [14:31] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Watch out, I'm back [14:32] go put your childs asleep :P [14:32] oh no [14:32] Well, this should be good. [14:32] oh yays [14:32] is there a way like system restore for slackware..? [14:32] .... [14:32] O.O [14:32] ruben23: no. [14:32] rstore to previous working state.. [14:33] re-store? [14:33] actually there is. It's called keeping a backup. [14:33] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:33] ruben23, so it used to work? [14:33] nightly rsync ftw. [14:33] ruben23: slackware installation cd can be used. [14:34] yes..actually i think i missed it up..when im seeting up ssh server [14:34] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) left irc: "NOOOooooOooOooo, not THAT button!!! O_o" [14:34] setting up sshd? [14:34] Well, what in particular did you break? [14:34] problem is it on production now.. [14:34] There's always slackpkg reinstall BROKENPACKAGE [14:34] you know slackware comes with sshd? [14:35] what! since when [14:35] i think the iptables.. [14:35] ruben23, you are not giving enough information [14:36] ok well at least its not ipchairs [14:36] thats a birch [14:36] yes...i try to set sshd to be access remotely..i make rule for the iptables....then after that...the problem arise.. [14:37] slackytude: does it, really? [14:37] try #iptables they are very good [14:37] ok...ill check.. [14:37] stybla, afaik [14:37] ^-^ [14:38] lol [14:38] slackytude: i'll have to check news for that! [14:38] sync() [14:38] :p [14:38] its been on /. [14:38] iptables has a restore feature [14:38] irrc [14:39] *iirc [14:39] Joker_-_: yeah, and how's that helpful since you've cut off yourself from machine? [14:39] stybla: oh, no direct access to the machine.. :( [14:39] slackytude: ah. my membership has expired months ago :s [14:39] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0CB18.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [14:39] Joker_-_: i assume so. [14:40] Joker_-_:rstore features..? [14:40] stybla: dunno, maybe he has physical acces to the machine [14:40] It stores your "r"s for you. [14:40] so i can restore it back to its working state..? [14:40] ruben23, are you named after a sandwich [14:40] Joker_-_: read what i wrote again, please :) [14:40] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:40] juan--d-_-b (n=juan--d-@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Nick collision from services. [14:41] ruben23: get phy access to machine and delete the rule you've added. [14:41] stybla: Maybe thats because english isnt my first language but I dont see anything wrong with what I said [14:41] stybla: plus, you'Ve just repeated what I just said :P [14:41] you should not manipulate the rules directly with iptables [14:41] Joker_-_, obviously english is your LAST language [14:42] stybla:yeah i already done it....still got this....problem [14:42] use a script to flush the rules and add your ruleset [14:42] SupernalTriad: second, and mostly last I,m almost able to argue with any mor... err, person ;) [14:42] ruben23: iptables -t nat -F; iptables -F; [14:42] ruben23: it will flush all rules == no firewall what so ever. [14:42] SupernalTriad: add "with" somewhere in that [14:42] Joker_-_, s/person/"human filth"/ [14:43] ruben23: careful when doing that. Make sure your default policy is ACCEPT otherwise you'll end up denying all traffic [14:43] SupernalTriad: I'm not entering this side of the discussions again, friend :P [14:43] your default policy should be drop on forward and input chains in nat table [14:43] ruben23: hm, well - # netstat -nlp | grep ssh [14:44] thanks guys.. [14:44] fuzzbawl: good point. [14:44] ruben23: thank you, every help provided is philosophical discussion. [14:44] stybla: i've done that too many times on accident :D [14:44] fuzzbawl saved the day [14:45] its 5am i should sleep [14:45] "well i'll just flush the tables and....oops" [14:45] spook: how about to leave it for "tomorrow"? :) [14:45] oops more like FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUuu [14:45] actually its not the ssh im worryng now its my company wont be able to call....by voip line.. [14:45] fuzzbawl: thats why i iptables-save > file [14:45] ruben23: damn, you are messing with ip tables in a production environment :) [14:46] ruben23: dont you have a test box laying around? [14:46] then i edit the file, and iptables-restore < file from then on [14:46] Joker_-_: i believe that's the best practise to learn things. [14:46] it flushes and loads the rules [14:46] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:46] heh [14:46] stybla: I dont wanna see my workplace testing things in production environment ;) [14:46] Joker_-_: it was a joke, okay? :) [14:47] :\ [14:47] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [14:47] stybla: oh. heee. yeah. yeah HAHa me too lol [14:47] Action: Joker_-_ hides [14:47] i feel even worse now :( [14:47] Action: stybla cries [14:48] Action: Joker_-_ feels like Moe [14:48] Imma go hang out with the closet [14:48] *hang myself in [14:49] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@76-10-176-226.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [14:50] O_o [14:50] i prefer the first version [14:50] o0 [14:51] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [14:51] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150022047.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:51] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.43.243) joined ##slackware. [14:52] Joker_-_, better to hang yourself in public with a message to the world [14:52] SupernalTriad: lets brainstorm about messages and maybe I'll consider that. [14:53] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:53] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-160-76-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:54] marcus_ (n=Marcus@d90-135-121-115.cust.tele2.de) joined ##slackware. [14:55] kj4 (n=chimpio@adsl-235-7-66.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] Joker_-_, i could come up with a million [14:55] I wonder if the reason why we arent flooded with questions and problems (as #gentoo or #ubuntu) is because slackware is stable and all or because it's less used? [14:55] SupernalTriad: then maybe you should consider it? [14:55] stable [14:55] because there are less problems and less retards flocking to it [14:56] its cuz noobs don't choose slackware [14:56] kj4, i did [14:56] I did too [14:56] slack is the very first distro I tryed [14:56] i'm thinking about it [14:56] now the initial 12.2 upgrade queries haves stopped there is peace [14:56] i tried redhat first, but that was like a 2 hours thing [14:56] Joker_-_: same :D [14:56] i've got 10 years of playing with distros [14:56] redhat 5 [14:56] most of my boxes now are ubuntu [14:57] Nick change: _stef_204 -> stef_204 [14:57] one is arch linux, which is cool [14:57] kamaji_: then I've thrown the cd away and installed windows back :P [14:57] kj4, wtf [14:57] you are doing it wrong [14:57] yeah, i know [14:57] hey slackers [14:57] but #ubuntu users come here when they find no answers in their channel, acting like they are slackers [14:57] lol [14:57] so am I a slack candidate? [14:57] ubuntu? trash [14:57] slackytude: yeah, lik eme ;) [14:57] ubuntu sux [14:57] Joker_-_: actually I did too the first time, then I came back a year later and ended up erasing windows :D [14:57] smells bad [14:57] i wont try to act like a slacker [14:57] to be honest ubuntu works pretty much okay [14:58] until you try to do something [14:58] kj4 if u don't use ubuntu ure slacker. [14:58] and if they get an answer they run back and enlighten their channels, becoming their prometheus [14:58] kamaji_: yeah about the sam ehere [14:58] "Ubuntu works, until you try to do something." [14:58] lol [14:58] ist true [14:58] SupernalTriad, yeah, true [14:58] ok, so is it too late for me to go 'back' to slack if i was never there? [14:58] kj4, too late, sorry [14:58] my friend told me that one....and then he went slackware [14:59] kj4, get out of here [14:59] Joker_-_: i'd go for stable and boring [14:59] lol [14:59] lol [14:59] slack is just for pure slackers [14:59] does everyone here share vncsnvs's opinion? [14:59] stybla: you talking about ubuntu? [14:59] sry I wa son the phone for a second [14:59] everyone. no doubt [14:59] kj4, yes [14:59] Joker_-_: no, about "...is because slackware is stable and all..." [14:59] thats 2.. [14:59] :) [15:00] I dont share it and I dont feel like needing to share any opinion, I have mine and I share it enought ;) [15:00] ubuntu the only distro that has 15 forks for different DE's [15:00] what if i promise to get rid of the buntus on my comps? [15:00] vncsnvs (n=vncsnvss@189.27.43.243) left irc: "Leaving" [15:00] and go pure slack with xfce? [15:00] stybla: well, I had lots of fun with slack. Main problem I had with it was exotic hardware [15:01] oh i got an awesome idea! ubuntu with icewm! icebuntu = ubuntu->fork() [15:01] morons [15:01] SupernalTriad: RAGE [15:01] oops. i thought you were serious [15:01] lol [15:02] SupernalTriad: let's do it. [15:02] Joker_-_: let's forget it :s [15:02] kill me [15:02] wait! ubuntu with emacs! emacbuntu! [15:02] Joker_-_: obviously i'm not a funny person at all. [15:02] cmon, give me some feedback, i want to really learn linux [15:02] Nick change: kamaji_ -> kamaji [15:02] To be honest, I have 2 ubuntu SERVERS (yes SERVERS) and 1 unix (my desktop is ubuntu aswell) and seriously, the ubuntu servers are as reliable as the unix one. [15:02] well, we can always do what slax did and still call it slackware - just ask anyone who comes over here from there [15:03] Altho I'm not working on em all day long updating and fixing things that arent broken ;) [15:03] kj4, feedback about wha? [15:03] Joker_-_, because you dont use them [15:03] about should i try slack [15:03] Joker_-_: since I still have several servers running slackware from v8.0 and up, I can say the same thing as well. [15:03] The major reason I like slack and gentoo is that you actually learn how it works [15:03] Joker_-_: it was meant to be: stable == no work with it == thus boring [15:04] Joker_-_, that is why i'm interested in slackware [15:04] alisonken1: never ever said anything about slackware like it's not great or anything, I'm simply saying that Ubuntu isnt EVIL or whatever ;) [15:04] alisonken1: dont get me wrong [15:04] kj4, well, why not? Its good for learning skillz thant can be translated to most *nix distros [15:04] the major reason i like ubuntu is that it attracts the idiots and coralls them [15:04] Joker_-_: :) just agreeing with the updating and fixing part [15:04] alisonken1: k ;) [15:04] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:04] thanks slackytude. got a good website or book i can start with? [15:05] slackbook! [15:05] kj4, slackbook.org [15:05] !slackbook [15:05] slackwiki.org slackbuilds.org [15:05] how bout install it [15:05] then see if you need a book [15:05] boot cd, cfdisk partitions, run 'setup", follow prompts [15:05] SupernalTriad: btw i thought whole *buntu thing was after X, not console programs. [15:05] kj4, there is also linuxquestions.org and this channel of course [15:06] SupernalTriad: well, theres a time in life when you deceide if either you keep on learning about all thoses things you are interrested in because you MUST if you want things to work, wich leads to be working on your farm 24/7, or you buy a motorcycle, go outside with the wife and have fun, while learning on the side when you feel like caus you OS can take care of himself ;) [15:06] wow, that was a long one [15:06] stybla, ubuntu with ssh! sshbuntu! [15:06] SupernalTriad: ... :) [15:06] *buntu with powershell - MSBuntu [15:06] arktvrvs (i=stygian@adsl-69-149-148-250.dsl.tpkaks.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] ubuntu that runs on a sneaker: shubuntu [15:07] winbuntu? [15:07] kj4: sneakerbuntu [15:07] ubuntu with wine! [15:07] shushubedobuntu [15:07] you are making me sick :p [15:07] have you guys ever coded something? [15:07] jubuntu? [15:07] Joker_-_, yes [15:07] Yes [15:07] yes [15:07] yes [15:07] seriously, to degrade a so great product like that [15:07] you musnt [15:07] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:07] ubuntu that runs on a shoe and lets you exist and do things: shoobedoobuntu [15:07] I mean come on [15:07] thats well coded [15:08] ubuntu for morons! ubuntu! [15:08] thats simple and it works for most of th eusers right out of the box [15:08] lolol [15:08] exist and do things? [15:08] Action: arktvrvs is intrigued [15:08] lol [15:08] ubuntu is fine as long as I dont have too use it [15:08] Joker_-_: except for one. [15:08] s/too/to [15:08] be and do, arktvrvs use your imagination [15:08] Joker_-_: ask the 70+ guy that asked me to remove his ubuntu and put slackware back on it [15:08] s/have to/try to/ [15:09] alisonken1: oh comeone, you can't realy be arguing with that... Ask the millions of ubuntu users, that sjust no match. [15:09] cmon stop being fanboys and admit whats real [15:09] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) joined ##slackware. [15:09] thats not an opinion, thats a fact; the product works [15:09] ubuntu users or automatons? [15:09] it's true. [15:09] fanbuntu! [15:09] and its realy well made. [15:09] that doesnt degrade slackware or gentoo [15:09] what's real is what works. *buntu does not work for everyone - just like the rest of the software out there [15:09] yes, it's true, Joker_-_. [15:10] its not good for developing a deep knowledge of GNU Linux [15:10] but i think slackware is [15:10] my grandma runs ubuntu [15:10] if your mom could use it. you shouldnt [15:10] Joker_-_: tell that to all the people that complain about slackware still being in the dark ages that we hear from [15:10] she's 80 plus [15:10] absolutely right, it doesn works always on all platforms in all situation, but the thing is well made, seriously. [15:10] Joker_-_: i mean, if it makes you happy, i have no problem to say it ;) [15:10] its called least common denominator [15:10] stybla: nice try :P [15:10] and dumbing down the population [15:10] stybla: gotta stay on the other side of the line, I understand ;) [15:10] the poulation does not need help to dumb down [15:11] i'm hearing you SupernalTriad [15:11] stybla: I know a lot of apple fanboys... ;) [15:11] that's why I'm here [15:11] that's what MS is for [15:11] Joker_-_: huh?! [15:11] ubuntu should come with one of those one button mice [15:11] lol [15:11] Joker_-_: apple? how did we get there? [15:11] Joker_-_, macbuntu [15:11] dive: :D [15:11] stybla: fanatism [15:11] noobuntard [15:11] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [15:11] Joker_-_: 'm i being fanatic, or what? [15:11] i installed ubuntu on a mac once. are you naseous yet, SupernalTriad ? [15:12] letsonlyhavetwomousebuttonsbuntu [15:12] actually i am [15:12] eeeeeewwwww [15:12] i gotta go puke [15:12] SupernalTriad (n=Supernal@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:12] Glad he went [15:12] kj4, my mother runs slack ^-^ [15:12] okay okay I wont try to bring that thing back here I guess ;) [15:13] ok, if ubuntu is for the dumb masses, what is someone who runs vista, and likes it? [15:13] I feel that you guys think that saying that something else is good would mean that slackware isnt as good or whatever. As if there should always be a comparison, a competition. [15:13] to me, Linux is a community [15:13] and every distro has it's great points and it's weak points [15:13] Joker_-_, if it's like that, why are there 300 distros? [15:14] ermm, well thats exactly what I said? [15:14] Joker_-_: the problems we see with *buntu servers are the questions that keep getting asked about server functionality - similar to the MS admins, it get's to the point where the majority of the questions are about which buttons to click rather than learning how to be an administrator [15:14] theres a linux distro for every need/will [15:14] Joker_-_: you say, we can't have own opinion, or what? [15:14] i'm in this channel today, because as I think back to the three best linux gurus i worked with, they were all slack users [15:14] Joker_-_: or do you really expect everybody has to agree with you? [15:14] alisonken1: ubuntu server doesnt have an interface, hence your commentary doesnt make sence [15:15] Joker_-_, maybe thats whats wrong with linux, it needs more focus [15:15] stybla: nope, not at all. [15:15] Joker_-_, no interface? have you tried ifconfig -a? [15:15] kj4: I'd agree with that [15:15] Joker_-_: stop with talk like that then. [15:15] Joker_-_: note the statement again. I was not talking about "Ubuntu Server Edition" [15:15] stybla: what do you mean? [15:15] 15:10 < alisonken1> Joker_-_: the problems we see with *buntu servers [15:15] thats what you said [15:16] if you use a desktop windows 98 as a server, thats not a distro problem, thats a mental problem ;) same applies to ubuntu ;) [15:16] Joker_-_: like I said - read all of the statment - including the part about "... the majority of questions ..." [15:16] i tried to convert some centOS boxes at my last job to ubuntu server and got laughed at [15:16] kj4, heh [15:16] lol [15:16] Joker_-_: bring up other distros and let's see. i might agree with you, but i, personally, don't like ubuntu don't much. but hey, i really don't give a damn unless you're ubuntu in my face. [15:16] alisonken1: might have got you wrong then sry ;) [15:16] Joker_-_: but you sound like we have to share your particular opinion about particular thing. [15:17] Joker_-_: more, you sound like you're surprised we don't. [15:17] brb, gotta go take a huge ubuntu [15:18] stybla: maybe you'll take time to understand what I'm saying / trying to say [15:18] heh, speaking of *buntu im just replacing one on my parents pc in favor of slackware, it just has random quirks i cant be bothered to fix that often :/ [15:18] i've just decided that i will never be taken seriously as a linux professional if i'm associated with ubuntu [15:18] heh [15:18] kj4: I disagree. [15:18] stybla: everyone one is literally taking a crap on other distros and I just dont think thats the right way of being a community. [15:18] kj4: actually, I've _heard_ there are places where *buntu's rule the server space. Just don't know where they are. [15:18] Joker_-_: amen [15:18] eviljames, why? [15:19] alisonken1, yeah, where is that? [15:19] kj4: Because it's all Linux. [15:19] Joker_-_: understand? let's see - "21:13 < Joker_-_> I feel that you guys think that saying that something else is good would mean that slackware isnt as good or whatever." <<< what 'em i supposed to understand about this? [15:19] kj4: It should be decided based on what you know about Linux. If you get too locked into one specific distro, then yeah you probably won't be taken too seriously [15:19] kj4, that might change over time. precisily because ubuntu aims to be easy and for "noobs" is why its perceived as not good enough for servers. its more about PR than about techincal details. still, ubuntu hides a lot from you, which is part of that problem [15:19] Joker_-_: because i have no problem to admit something is better , but i just don't agree with you on this one or whatever. [15:19] stybla: read the very beginning: I FEEL THAT [15:19] kj4: like I said - " ... Just don't know where". I do remember seeing some articles about guys that put *buntu in their SMB networks, just don't remember where those were [15:20] Joker_-_: okay, you feel wrong ;) [15:20] kj4: I'm using ubuntu @ work to ssh into an opensolaris box @ home, to ssh into a slackware laptop to use irc. [15:20] stybla: Take it easy, friend :P [15:20] kj4: But I'm still using ubuntu. [15:20] eviljames, that is some funny stuff [15:20] Joker_-_: i just look like i don't. 'm not being nice, or what? i mean, i'm just trying to explain it. [15:20] suse irritates me way more than ubuntu does [15:20] kj4: Not to mention the daisy-chained KVMs for the Windows SBS server & the OpenSolaris servers... [15:20] Joker_-_: don't be afraid of discussion. [15:21] kj4: I should probably stop kludging stuff together, but whatever :) [15:21] just make sure it's a discussion [15:21] eviljames, don't say SBS, i once supported that for MS [15:21] stybla: I tend to have problems detecting frustration so I try to get the discussion as far as I can from it, as it's not what I'm looking for,. [15:21] kj4: I keep a copy on hand in case someone wants a shared folder with really, stupidly lax permissions :) [15:21] small business server? [15:21] slackytude: Indeed. Horrid, but that's what it is. [15:21] Joker_-_: heh, all right :) [15:21] sbs2003 ftl :( [15:21] it is? [15:21] stybla: and I understand that I'm not that well articulated in english so, my bad [15:21] Joker_-_: in other words - shut up? :p [15:22] stybla: :* [15:22] Action: Joker_-_ cries [15:22] :D [15:22] Why so serious? [15:22] not much experience with it (actually none) but isnt it just 2003 with a license suitable for small bussines? [15:22] Joker_-_: well, what to say? discussion should serve as to assure both sides understand each other, or explain their points. [15:23] slackytude, sbs has exchange built in. [15:23] slackytude: Probably. I don't know entirely, I run it headless. The company bought that software before hiring me, since then we've migrated elsewhere. [15:23] ?! [15:23] kj4: Is that true? [15:23] kj4: Exchange is MS' *only* killer app, imho. [15:23] thats good isnt? [15:23] stybla: sure thing, but I tought you tough I meant somthing I didnt, wich led me to try to defuse the tense, where maybe there wasnt any tense at all in the first place... got me? [15:23] If they had a killer app, that would be it. [15:23] eh [15:23] eviljames, yes, but the whole thing is a kluged implementation. it can be 'broken' very easily [15:24] Windows is a good app [15:24] :P [15:24] kj4: Oh, then I won't bother. [15:24] their office suite is decent [15:24] most windows stuff can be broken easily [15:24] straterra: Yeah, it runs very nicely in a VM on Linux :) [15:24] as are their media streaming services [15:24] eviljames, the more you know about exchange the more likely you'd break exchange in sbs [15:24] straterra: No, it isn't. Their office suite is horrible on its best days in my eyes... [15:24] kj4: Exchange 2007 is pretty solid [15:24] DFS is nifty too [15:24] kj4, ouch [15:24] Visual Studio is nice.. [15:24] kj4: hahaha yikes. [15:24] DF? [15:25] DFS? *sigh* [15:25] distributed file system [15:25] ah, ok [15:25] and just about anything in sbs can break easily. SBS was designed to not be toyed with internally [15:25] redundant/auto-failover file servers [15:25] fuzzbawl, well said [15:25] Joker_-_: no tense at all. i just confronted your view of the thing, or better to say, said your view is wrong in my opinion - as the world is not just black and white. okay, you said "i feel like". i've skipped that one + i didn't know how much serious you are about whole thing. [15:25] fuzzbawl, so its a read only server? [15:26] slackytude: yes :D heh [15:26] anyway, many reasons leads someone into switching distros and in my case, it has never been because "it s*cked". Each distros I tryed were good in their way and I learned a lot trough thatéé. [15:26] Joker_-_: as i said, not everybody (okay, speaking for myself) has problem to admit something is better . [15:26] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:26] Joker_-_, that is my experience, as well [15:26] kj4: But, going back to the start, learning Slackware is a good place to start - even if you use ubuntu regularly. [15:27] kj4: Expose yourself to the bsd and solaris side of things too, I think.. if you move from linux to bsd it's like going home except everything is moved 2 inches to the left. [15:27] eviljames, well that settles it then. i'll go dload it [15:27] kj4: It's the same but .. not quite :) [15:27] my experience has shown that I prefer slackware. not fond of a lot of other distros, but learning slackware first allowed me to figure out the changes that other distros do to their systems [15:27] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:27] I found bsd to be easy going, alth a bit different [15:27] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:27] stybla: an that's exactly NOT my point: comparison. Slackware is great, gentoo is great, debian is great, DLS is great, OpenFiler is great, Ubuntu (and all thoses derivatives) are great. [15:27] alisonken1: I'm in pretty much the same boat.. I started using slackware around the time of the big version jump, and all others just seem overtooled and under-useful to me. [15:27] DLS or DSL ? [15:27] stybla: They all have their weakness and their forces [15:27] DamnSmallLinux [15:27] DSL [15:28] alisonken1: But that's just me, each has good & bad points. [15:28] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:28] Joker_-_: yes, indeed. and i like each of them more or less. [15:28] eviljames: know what you mean - I started when slackware was pat's fixes to sls on 12 floppies [15:28] except mandrake of course [15:28] stybla: yeah true, wich is the personnal opinion I wasnt discussing ;) [15:28] stybla: I was trying to have an... how to say that... "3rd person" view of the linux community [15:28] Joker_-_: but "admit something is better" express comparsion. you're saying: #1, #2, ... - got it? [15:29] stybla: you know, nothing personnal, no opinions, just facts and you know. [15:29] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:29] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:29] stybla: I never ever said that, honestly, read again ;) [15:29] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: SendQ exceeded [15:29] vim is better than emacs [15:29] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:29] stybla: never proposed that one was better than the other, I said quite the opposite [15:29] alisonken1, do you use any package management system on your slack installs? [15:29] Joker_-_: but what are facts? the fact is, it's still Linux. [15:29] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:30] Joker_-_: so, how can one distro can be better than other? [15:30] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [15:30] stybla: yes, and that's all software made by ... wait phone [15:30] Joker_-_: perhaps in cons and pros table. [15:30] kj4: installpkg, removepkg, updatepkg, pkgtool, and sbopkg are the ones I use [15:30] stybla: define "better" [15:30] stybla: not even that, I didnt wanted a comparison at all! [15:30] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:30] alisonken1, are they native to slack, or added on? [15:31] alisonken1: Wow, you're oldsch00l. [15:31] kj4: native [15:31] stybla: I was trying to say that every distro has it's force and it's weakness, all made by great programmers wich invested their time, mostly for free in that and all the community benifits of that [15:31] alisonken1: huh? [15:31] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) joined ##slackware. [15:31] dont forget slackpkg [15:31] edman007 (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:31] kj4: sbopkg is _chess_ creating a packagetool that will d/l the scripts from slackbuilds.org, build the package, then allow you to install it. the rest are part of slackware [15:31] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:31] ruben23 (n=IT-ADMIN@124.107.3.178) left ##slackware. [15:32] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] stybla: when a distro does something good, whatever it is, everyone can benefit of that. I still use the slackware user creation script in all my distros, for example! [15:32] stybla: " Joker_-_: so, how can one distro can be better than other?" <---- that question requires some definitions before it can be answered [15:32] alisonken1, understood [15:33] alisonken1: I dont even wanna try to answer that as I dont agree with the whole question! [15:33] alisonken1: my point being that there is NO better, stronger, faster and whatever the song is ;) [15:33] alisonken1: oh, isn't it clear? i'm not into comparing any Linux distros + comparsion is always subjective thing. what's "better" for me, doesn't have to be better for you. [15:34] Joker_-_: HUH?! [15:34] alisonken1: theres KIND of distros, for KIND of needs. and there should be a whole COMMUNITY of linux rather than clans [15:34] Joker_-_: i didn't say that. [15:34] that wasn't even the point. [15:34] stybla: I didnt either lol [15:34] it was a question. [15:34] heh, linux clans [15:34] my clan beats you clan [15:34] you're, both, making implication that doesn't exist. [15:34] slackytude: wanna piece of me? [15:34] stybla: hun? [15:35] stybla: that's the point :) [15:35] ubuntu should be part of a twelve step program to wean recovering windows users away from MS. [15:35] kj4: lol [15:36] kj4: almost an insult but still acceptable if it gets people out of the MS marketshare [15:36] http://pastebin.com/d46bf8384 [15:36] Joker_-_: (gratuitous MS comparison) A linux distro is the same as an MS SKU - the only difference is what functionality comes out of the box and how well it's supported [15:36] Joker_-_: i don't like *buntu community, that's it. [15:36] Joker_-_, thats my point, slack doesn't stand of chance of doing that (for the masses) [15:36] screw the masses [15:36] so it's good that things like ubuntu exist [15:36] Joker_-_: i can't disagree with you on programmers work etc. - nothing to disagree with. [15:37] stybla: the problem resides in the clans, "I dont like that community" [15:37] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:37] stybla: this community should be yours aswell imo ;) [15:37] Joker_-_: also, what's good? isn't it just it meets somebodys' preferences/criteria for "being good", thus subjective? [15:38] maybe pistol duelling should make it's way to the linux community- to 'thin the herd' a little [15:38] (reference to 21:32 < Joker_-_> stybla: when a distro does something good,) [15:38] seriously, slackers generally knows things deeply as you have to go deep to mak eit work the way you want. Thats a gowd dang great ressource wich everyone should benifit, no? [15:38] get the total number of distros down to 50 or so [15:38] stybla: trying the sophism way? [15:38] lots of those distros are adressing a special need [15:38] slackytude: agreed [15:39] hmm. i hadn't thought of that [15:39] Joker_-_: yes, now we are getting somewhere. because i see the most of ubuntu users as advanced-windows users. i really haven't seen too much good of them. opposite to gentoo which have (well, had) exceptional good wiki and how-tos [15:40] stybla: well, I use ubuntu, and I was using gentoo for several years, I left when the leader left. [15:40] Karu (n=Karu@78-28-93-146.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:40] tribeca_ (n=naitso@host38-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Joker_-_: 21:38 < Joker_-_> stybla: trying the sophism way? <<< philosophy or deception? [15:40] stybla: 15:33 < stybla> Joker_-_: also, what's good? isn't it just it meets somebodys' preferences/criteria for "being good", thus subjective? [15:40] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:40] I was talking bout that [15:41] whats good and whats bad and all... thats just out of the point ;) [15:41] anyway [15:41] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [15:41] really? so why have you made implication from my question about good-bad thing, because it was a question and i really didn't implicate anything. [15:41] yes, that's what've said. [15:41] and i thought i was pretty much clear about it. [15:42] 21:29 < stybla> Joker_-_: but what are facts? the fact is, it's still Linux. 21:30 < stybla> Joker_-_: so, how can one distro can be better than other? [15:42] the only implication there was negation of you and alisonken1 said. [15:42] :) [15:42] (can we drop that good or bad thing?)I used slackware and gentoo for years, wich helped me a lot to learn well, mostly everything I know from linux. and still I'm part of the ubuntu community. [15:43] stybla: I misread somethign somewhere, tought I lost a line or something [15:43] Joker_-_: The only real beef I have with Ubuntu is its use of sudo [15:43] alisonken1's paste lead me to think you tought blah blah blah you know, forget that part :P [15:43] tribeca__ (n=naitso@host89-15-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:43] mbhayes: I agree, I so dang agree with that [15:43] mbhayes: and thats the very first thing you have to do [15:43] mbhayes: change the group "admin" for "wheel" [15:44] and get back su [15:44] thats plainly stupid imo but hell, you can work that out easyly [15:44] Joker_-_: if you know what you're doing. and this takes us back to the questions we see here from *buntu users [15:45] Joker_-_: all right. as i said, i don't like ubuntu community for some reasons. and as it must be clear now, i don't have pretty much anything against any distro. use whatever fits to you, that's the point. however, it doesn't have to fit to me -> we probably won't agree "ubuntu is great" or "this beer is nice" and so on. every comparsion is subjective - can't be done. :) [15:45] josemanuel (n=josemanu@178.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [15:45] mbhayes: yo [15:46] alisonken1: yeah, but no ofence, thats not the way you should see that IMO. Users are users, ther ewill always be good and bad, just like drivers. Bad drivers doesnt make a car shit, it's just that the more ppl drive a car, the more morons drive that car, thats a simple logic. It's like thoses who say it's safer to fly than drive, I mean come on, thats pure logic error. [15:46] Joker_-_: the flying part is actually based on statistics. BUT ---- you know what they say about statistics :) [15:46] Joker_-_: oh, yeah - about ubuntu users. the most of them, looks to me, don't know what they are doing. [15:47] i know this opinion i'm about to express isn't coming from the most technical viewpoints, but i really don't like the pooplike default ubuntu color theme. [15:47] alisonken1: yo ho ho [15:47] Joker_-_: also, this *ubuntu - fluxbuntu, emacsbuntu, etc. - looks quite ... whatever ... not good :s [15:47] Joker_-_: Well its just the fact that sudo was not really meant to be used the way they are using it.. might as well just use su [15:47] alisonken1: thats logic error: less ppl fly so less moron fly, plus, to fly you need much practice and it's way more regulated. the statistic is simply bad logic [15:47] stybla: agreed [15:47] stybla: thats why I stand by ubuntu, even if I HATE gnome [15:47] stybla: no kidding, I HATE gnome [15:48] I'm an xfce fan [15:48] Joker_-_: nope - you don't have to know how to fly to be a passenger. [15:48] Joker_-_: no kidding, i believe you :) [15:48] but I wont go with xubuntu as I dont agree with the fock shits [15:48] *fork [15:48] ... [15:48] fork.. haha.. its all the same distro [15:48] alisonken1: passengers doesnt drive, thats sophism... [15:48] that's whats so funny about it [15:48] mbhayes: I know [15:49] mbhayes: thats leading ppl (noobs) to think wrong [15:49] mbhayes: unfortunately, being able to use su requires some knowledge of something besides P&C [15:49] and I dont agree with that [15:49] sudo passwd [15:49] it's not leading people...the goal of xubuntu is pretty clear :\ [15:49] Whats the goal of xubuntu? [15:49] xubuntu should exist, imo [15:49] xubuntu == ubuntu with xfce [15:49] to be lighter-weight than ubuntu [15:49] alisonken1: correct [15:49] <--- on a xubuntu laptop now, don't hate me [15:49] Joker_-_: correct [15:50] thats not "a distro", thats a different graphical interface / manager [15:50] Joker_-_: ".. to fly you need much practice ..." <---- passengers don't fly - but there are more passengers injured/killed in car accidents that plane accidents _STATISTICALLY SPEAKING_ [15:50] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:50] alisonken1: thats again related to same first statement [15:50] kj4, <3 xfce [15:50] alisonken1: if you are passenger in some moron's car, u are statistically in more danger than average joe in average joe's flying plane [15:51] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:51] alisonken1: get the moron to drive the plane, then we'll talk statistics [15:51] kresho_ (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [15:51] your analogies aren't working. [15:51] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [15:51] slakytude, same here, xfce [15:51] Joker_-_: that was based on your comment about "... It's like thoses who say it's safer to fly than drive ... " comment [15:51] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h9n5c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:51] marcus_ (n=Marcus@d90-135-121-115.cust.tele2.de) left irc: "Verlassend" [15:51] either of you, from what I can tell, but I only wandered back in a few seconds ago. [15:51] eviljames: it's him, I swear [15:51] :P [15:52] kresho_ (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Client Quit [15:52] Joker_-_: heh, is it an analogy for dev/user? Driver/passenger? [15:52] hey gotta go kiss the wife, she came to the office for a kiss, what a pleasant surprise in that dark devilish discussion :P [15:52] brb [15:52] Joker_-_: You kissed a girl, that's so gay! [15:53] lol [15:53] Action: fred has a look at his raid card... so, the powerpc chip is the one directly in contact with the battery, not the one with a heatsink. nice one. [15:53] eviljames: did you see his comment about logic error that he sent me? [15:53] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F88C.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] fred: that is a good one [15:53] alisonken1: No, but from what I could tell the analogy had degraded to a point where it was no longer coherent. Don't know who was to blame, but it was a little ocnfusing. [15:54] eviljames: yep - you missed a few parts :) [15:54] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [15:55] eviljames: I think it started somewhere up where "... best distro ..." popped in during a *buntu discussion [15:55] tribeca (n=naitso@host11-7-dynamic.0-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:55] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [15:55] i gotta go, slackers, thanks for the advice and intelligent conv. i'll be back [15:55] Nick change: tribeca__ -> tribeca [15:56] kj4 (n=chimpio@adsl-235-7-66.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:57] tribeca_ (n=naitso@host38-46-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:57] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F88C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [16:00] eviljames: it was an analogy about comparing distribution users with stupidity. That the more ppl use something, the more morons use that thing. thats pure logic. And who has the more problems... [16:01] eviljames: wich led me to the car / airplane analogy, where ppl think it's safer to fly than drive [16:01] eviljames: while the statistic is true, the logic behind it is wrong. [16:01] I'm going to eat, and it will be glorious. I'll debate you later :) [16:01] Food > trolling ;) [16:01] eviljames: have a glorious lunch then [16:01] hey I'm not trolling btw :P [16:02] please. [16:02] I'm not like that guy with a huge ignore list [16:02] :P [16:03] Joker_-_: i hope you're not talking about me. [16:03] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-138-64.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:03] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: "rotw" [16:04] stybla: That was a very, very wide open trolling statement ;) [16:04] Joker_-_: ok :) [16:04] Joker_-_: oh, do you troll? [16:04] stybla: so you hav e ahuge ignore list? [16:04] stybla: that was ironic ;) [16:04] 22:04 There are no ignores [16:05] i guess - no. [16:05] stybla: guess the hat doesnt fit you then ;) [16:05] does it work in english, "if the hat fits you, put it on?" [16:05] if the hat fits, e [16:05] if the hat fits, wear it [16:05] raela|alt (n=raela@12.89.75.126) joined ##slackware. [16:05] makes sence ;) [16:05] kasher (n=kvirc@host179-84-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:06] stupid enter key *bash* [16:06] i'm not familiar with that one :s [16:06] stybla: thats a french expression [16:06] 'if you want to get ahead, get a hat' [16:06] kasher (n=kvirc@host179-84-dynamic.18-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away"). [16:08] :\ [16:08] whatever [16:08] didn't help all the cloth capped working class northerners [16:09] I dislike firefox [16:09] but it kept their heads warm [16:09] stupid ssh socks proxy [16:09] Joker_-_, the german expression is about shoes [16:10] "if the shoes fits, put it on" [16:10] slackytude: "if you can throw a shoe at the USA's president, you rule" ? [16:10] oh, humk [16:10] here's one 'if you really want to know a man, look at his shoes' [16:10] O_o [16:10] Joker_-_: heh :) [16:10] slackytude: s/put it on/wear it/ - as google said [16:10] Action: Joker_-_ looks at his shoes [16:10] dive, I thought it was "have to walk a mile in his shoes" [16:11] slackytude: Yeah I know that one [16:11] thats another one but I don't know it [16:11] slackytude: to realy understand someone, you'd have to walk in hes shoes. [16:11] i just don't know what to imagine under it, but whatever. [16:11] something like that [16:11] oh [16:11] dtanner (n=dtanner@99.162.113.210) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:11] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:11] we sometimes say 'I wouldn't/would like to be in his shoes' [16:11] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:12] dive: in french we say in his/her skin [16:12] right [16:12] hats and shoes [16:12] must be lots of expressions [16:12] red hat, can't think of a distro with shoes tho [16:13] shoebuntu? [16:13] :P [16:13] but I like the idea of throwing shoes at people [16:13] hats and shoes, two world wars and we still argue about it [16:13] dive: the point is disrespect in Arabic world. [16:13] slackytude: that, or something else. as long as we kill that working day and be done with that wekk ;) [16:13] the moslems think of the shoes as dirty [16:13] wekk [16:13] *WEEK [16:13] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [16:13] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@76-10-176-226.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:14] that's why they take them off in mosques [16:14] carry the dirt of the outside world [16:14] dive: interresting. now they have dirty feets instead of dirty shoes... makes sence [16:14] and useful weapon [16:14] dive: i've heard they have like big picture of G.Bush senior in one hotel in Iraq. guess why? a lot of people walk (show their shoe) over his face. [16:14] figures [16:14] i would too [16:15] dive: you're not allowed to put one leg over the another in Arabic world. [16:15] didn;t know that one [16:15] thats so gay [16:15] or is it macho [16:15] ? [16:15] do it, and tell me a madcho can do that [16:15] even I can't. god how can someone do that [16:16] do what? [16:16] put a leg over the other ehile sitting [16:16] what are you doing Joker_-_? [16:16] well, crossing your legs you know [16:16] yeah - and you can't do it? [16:16] dunno, makes my balls fight for some space and well, it hurst :P [16:16] hurts [16:17] well it's not the most confortable position in the world [16:17] defenitly not [16:17] dunno why were talking bout that tho [16:18] ah yeah, arabs [16:18] shoes [16:18] and why are we talking about arabs already? [16:18] hats [16:18] ahoes... [16:18] yeah hats [16:18] backtrack [16:18] wow [16:18] proverbs [16:18] expressions [16:18] heh :) [16:18] thanks to FIFO process, we can retrive almost everything [16:18] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) joined ##slackware. [16:18] nah, that would be FILO [16:18] shame on me [16:19] file in leaks out? whats the L? [16:19] First In Last Out [16:19] doh, of course. [16:19] as opposed to First In First Out [16:20] basic programmatic theory or something [16:20] gah [16:20] I have to write tests on monday [16:21] everytime I come here, trying to pretend everything is fine, someone starts talking about exam stuff [16:21] int i = 1; while (true) {Wait(i++);} [16:22] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-138-64.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [16:22] damn I just reread a job advert again - lan gaming centre needs a pc technician. I though what a great find when I first saw it but now I've noticed the pay is like £6 and hour :( [16:22] heh [16:22] yeah, fun jobs are always cheaply paid [16:22] bummer [16:22] gotta work for the government and well, get th ebest out of it... [16:22] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [16:23] working for government over here == being poor. [16:23] dive: i'd do it lol [16:24] stybla: yeah, here too, kinda. It's a bit lower than private, but you get so much on the side... [16:24] well with the travel... dunno... but I've been out of work so long... [16:24] dive: what site are you looking at ? [16:24] stybla: insurances are great, retirement and all... [16:24] lw0x15, hands off my job!! [16:24] heh [16:24] :< [16:24] lw0x15, it's a local job centre site [16:25] ah [16:25] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@modemcable188.10-70-69.static.videotron.ca) left irc: "Quitte" [16:25] Action: slackytude likes his job, for the most part [16:25] dive: you a programmer? [16:25] a little [16:25] dive: i guess local isn't london for you [16:25] Joker_-_: umm you couldn't really survive on what i've been offered ~3 years back. but may be it got changed a little bit. also, it depends on degree of education, years in service, and what not. [16:25] dive: and what are you mostly? [16:25] but not good enough to work at it [16:25] nessundorma (n=mike@host193-56-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:25] stybla: oh, here you live well. [16:26] I started as a multimedia designer and now looking at being a technician [16:26] stybla: as an example, I have 3 years of experience here, got a car, my place, a motorcycle and all [16:26] in france? [16:26] stybla: thats not as much as I would have in private but as said, its ok [16:26] stybla: nah, Quebec, Canada [16:26] bc bud [16:26] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.84) left ##slackware. [16:27] dive: dunno bout your place but here it,s technician's paradise [16:27] Joker_-_: i'm vvveerrry far away from there. [16:27] dive: everyone is looking for a programmer here [16:27] stybla: au? [16:27] I'm not experienced enough in languages that matter Joker_-_ [16:28] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:28] dive: if you know C or c++, you're good to go [16:28] Joker_-_: give it some height to the north and you're home ;) [16:28] dive: theres a lot of demand for C# aswell as VB.net [16:28] I've been working in unrealscript for around 5 or 6 years, made 1 prog in C++ [16:28] Joker_-_: banana republic [16:28] north of australia... water? [16:28] I make mods for unreal tournament [16:28] oh :D [16:28] Joker_-_: au != austria :p [16:29] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:29] dive, those are in c++ aint they? [16:29] stybla: I tought au == australia [16:29] Joker_-_: yes, my mistake. [16:29] slackytude, nope got their own language - uscript [16:29] ah, ok [16:29] comes with a compiler and all [16:29] Im thinking of hl, maybe [16:29] dive: I messed with that a bit a few years ago with some friends, we made a mod for UT2002 I think? [16:29] very similar to c though [16:29] god, what a mess to just spawn a guy [16:29] erm probably 2003/4 [16:30] Joker_-_: we are going to be know as "the little america" soon. [16:30] yeah maybe [16:30] stybla: you are about to be in an economic crisis? [16:30] Joker_-_: haha, no. just small radar here and over there ;) [16:30] k, army stuffs? [16:30] Action: slackytude always wanted to visit canada [16:30] hell, even quebec [16:31] Joker_-_: yep. [16:31] the problem with UT2003/4/8 is the new window widget drawing code - they had soemthing really simple with uwindows and then went and rewrote it to be 10x harder to use [16:31] Joker_-_: US Army stuff. [16:31] slackytude: Quebec is very nice as it's lower, and lots of water [16:31] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [16:31] tgz (n=tgz@genesis.quasared.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:31] tgz (n=tgz@genesis.quasared.net) joined ##slackware. [16:31] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-195-3-197.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:31] Nick change: tgz -> Guest26899 [16:31] slackytude: if you like skiing and all, it,s great too but BC is the way to go [16:31] josemanuel (n=josemanu@178.1.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [16:32] Joker_-_: but back to jobs - i'm still at school, so i don't care that much about it. [16:32] between BC and Quebec, theres a big waste of space with petrol and all, nothing very interresting :P [16:32] bears and empty roads eh? [16:32] Joker_-_: but private sector is better paid than gov one. i guess it's pretty much same everywhere. [16:32] stybla: yup [16:33] dive: nah there sroads and all but... theres not much to see as in "beauty" [16:33] pity [16:33] dive: the earth is plane, lots of beef and grain u know... [16:33] not much to see [16:33] right [16:34] aetheria_ (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] in north of Quebec it's mountains everywhere (kinda like the rockies, but smaller) [16:34] roads going trough, thats a fun place to go ride a motorcycle ;) [16:34] Action: eviljames is in Vancouver [16:34] Joker_-_: do you have any idea about conditions for entering Canada? [16:34] Don't go to BC [16:35] Go to Alberta [16:35] Jasper or Banff, Lake Louise or Kananaskis [16:35] stybla: hummm from USA or...? [16:35] Joker_-_: EU [16:35] maybe in august lol [16:35] eviljames: true, alberta/bc frontier is the best [16:35] west alberta that is [16:35] Joker_-_: precisely, right on the border is the rockies, and they make for awesome ski/snowboard [16:35] yup [16:35] lots of ppl go there [16:35] Whistler's not bad, but it's a total tourist trap. [16:35] aetheria (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:36] You can't go wrong with Jasper I think [16:36] as are any of the mountain resorts [16:36] Joker_-_: Agreed. I used to live in Edmonton, Jasper was like a 2nd home for me. [16:36] camping in summer, skiing in winter [16:36] I lik emountains [16:36] I hate plane earth [16:36] it's just plainly dull ;) [16:37] s/plane/plain [16:38] lol yeah [16:38] heh: [16:38] < jmole> i like to live on the edge ;) [16:38] <+kojiro> ah, the edge [16:38] Channel flood from Joker_-_ -- kicking [16:38] <+kojiro> that fine line between help me and switching distros [16:38] Joker_-_ kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [16:38] Joker_-_ (n=joker@64.235.198.63) joined ##slackware. [16:39] good one [16:39] made me laugh [16:39] br00tal (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) left irc: "My damn controlling terminal disappeared!" [16:39] that was on #gentoo ;) [16:40] whats that thing with the double "#" anyway? [16:40] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:40] Joker_-_, use noobfarm for that [16:40] hun? [16:40] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:40] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:41] br00tal (n=br00tal@66-188-149-192.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:41] nachox: could you be any more precise in what you are saying, what it is related to and well, what? [16:42] Joker_-_: noobfarm.org - the place where priceless quotes from channels are immortalized [16:42] Joker_-_, we have a webpage called noobfarm to paste funny stuff that happened in irc, it's kind of like bash.org [16:42] nice, gotta go check that out! [16:42] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@2607:f340:c0de:0:21d:60ff:fe05:727d) left irc: "Leaving" [16:43] Joker_-_: the double hash mark indicates this is an _unofficial_ support channel - not an _official_ support channel [16:43] IOW - this channel is not supported by slackware.com [16:43] alisonken1: oh, and where is the official one? [16:43] actually, it is [16:43] hum, funny [16:43] slackware.com mailing lists [16:44] there is no official slackware channel in the sense freenode asks for, but pat was ok with us using #slackware [16:44] nachox: ok - then I misread why the double hash marks then [16:44] I hate bash.org [16:45] alisonken1, you're right, that's what the ## means [16:45] Action: alisonken1 what's bash.org? [16:45] nachox: what makes this not an official channel in the freenode's terminology then? [16:46] nachox: ok - I knew pat was ok, was just not sure by your comment about the slackware.com part [16:46] Joker_-_, pat would have to personally talk to the freenode staff to tell them so [16:46] nachox: and he doesnt want to because? [16:47] because irc is an orphan technology :\ [16:47] he is lazy [16:47] nachox: makes sence [16:47] the term is "a slacker" [16:47] nachox: community support channel not _officially_ sponsored by slackware.com but allowed by slackware.com <---- ok? [16:47] yeah right, I read on that terminlogy lately ;) [16:47] I lauged [16:47] laughed [16:47] whateve [16:47] ... [16:47] alisonken1, yeah, we were even in some release notes :P [16:48] :) [16:48] Honestly, theres nothing like IRC for support community [16:48] imo [16:48] gotta love the microwave generation [16:49] alisonken1: is that what we're called now? :) [16:49] thoses who refuses to leave their multiple-player notepad? [16:49] been called that since the microwave made everyone "want it _now_" compared to other forms [16:49] yeah, true [16:49] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [16:49] microwave/credit... [16:50] makes sence [16:52] hey what doe smean PEBKAC [16:52] hahahahahahaha [16:52] I love it! [16:52] heh [16:52] Joker_-_: I use that expression all the time [16:52] I read that a few times, never knew what it meant [16:52] ID-10-T error.. damn it [16:53] fcaraballo (n=fcarabal@unaffiliated/fcaraballo) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] layer 8 problem [16:53] http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3APEBKAC [16:53] eviljames: :P [16:53] problem exists between keyboard and chair [16:53] hahaha [16:53] < rworkman> spook: PEBKAC. I posted my gpg passphrase in my ChangeLog. Long story. [16:54] heh,yeah [16:54] lol sux for that guy [16:54] Yes it did. [16:54] oh [16:54] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [16:54] Action: slackytude points at rworkman [16:54] ha ha [16:54] ur here lol [16:55] http://noobfarm.org/?id=683 [16:55] lw0x15: and you just now noticed? You must be either new here or oblivious to what goes on here. [16:55] lw0x15: he's allways here watching over you. ;) [16:55] rworkman, sorry for the schadenfreude but I think thats pure gold. you made my day ^-^ [16:55] rworkman: that was on noobfarm ;) no offence ;) [16:55] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:55] http://noobfarm.org/?id=114 [16:56] rworkman: noticed what? you or the quote [16:56] mbhayes: lol [16:56] slackytude: yeah, in hindsight, it's funny :) No harm done either - the key is physically secure, and the passphrase on it has been changed, so all is well. [16:56] this one is classic: [16:57] http://noobfarm.org/?id=813 [16:57] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.90.90.50) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:57] mbhayes: we've been approved :-) the new line will be installed next week =) [16:57] woot! [16:57] the GIg one? [16:57] lol [16:57] Action: acidchild nods [16:57] awesome [16:57] rworkman, heh, ok then [16:58] so i'm going to run a gige line upstairs, there will be so much excess download. [16:58] hurray [16:58] http://noobfarm.org/?id=35 [16:58] 111MB/s download speed :D [16:58] PIMP! [16:58] acidchild: dude.. that will be sweet! [16:58] acidchild: is that for dubstep!? [16:58] no my desktop [16:58] oh [16:58] fucker [16:58] acidchild: Don't tell me that you have gigE to the door? [16:59] eviljames: whamahamaham [16:59] eviljames: He will next week [16:59] :> [16:59] Action: eviljames jealous [16:59] yummy, now 111MB/s is really good :) [16:59] no shit [16:59] haha [16:59] acidchild, you get a pretty big pipe, there [17:00] OooooOoOOOoooh Isense a double entendre! [17:00] Action: eviljames is jealous, but still observant. [17:00] http://noobfarm.org/index.php?id=1313 [17:00] mbhayes: the upload will be in demand i guess [17:00] there is alot of free download as always. [17:00] aye [17:01] acidchild: So, mirror1 wil lhave no bandwidth increasee huh [17:01] bastage [17:01] sure it will [17:01] =) [17:02] ooo [17:02] ok [17:02] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Action: acidchild yawns. [17:05] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.24) joined ##slackware. [17:05] mbhayes: what you up to today? [17:06] acidchild: just clearing some stuf fup before the weekend [17:06] looking at jquery stuff [17:06] ah. [17:06] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) got netsplit. [17:06] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) got netsplit. [17:06] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) got netsplit. [17:06] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) got netsplit. [17:06] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) got netsplit. [17:06] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) got netsplit. [17:06] TOGGI3 (n=toggi3@pool-72-86-56-84.clppva.east.verizon.net) got netsplit. [17:06] panzer (n=panzer@h99.27.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) got netsplit. [17:06] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) got netsplit. [17:06] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) got netsplit. [17:06] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) got netsplit. [17:07] hey do you guys use slackware as your desktop? [17:07] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] wahooooo (n=wahooooo@c-76-104-183-185.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] TOGGI3 (n=toggi3@pool-72-86-56-84.clppva.east.verizon.net) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] panzer (n=panzer@h99.27.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] zhorX (i=zhorx@warp.skyhook.ca) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] jkwood (n=jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] BadAtom (n=BadAtom@supporter/active/BadAtom) returned to ##slackware. [17:07] yep [17:07] I DO [17:07] slack with xfce I guess? [17:07] NOPE. KDE. [17:07] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-212-38.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] kde... arrrg [17:07] ewwwww, desktop environments [17:07] dunno why I dont like KDE... [17:08] I liek K3B tho [17:08] fluxbox :-) [17:08] xmonad is nice too [17:08] ever tryed... whats the name... E something [17:08] acidchild: indeed :) [17:09] I can't think of any other word than Emerge, wich it's not... [17:09] Enlightenment? [17:09] that was supposed to be the desktop of th efuture [17:09] yeah enlightenment [17:09] e17! [17:09] I tryed that a few times, havent felt that good bout it. [17:09] anyone here used it for a while? [17:09] yup [17:09] enlightment-users themselves would never call it the desktop of the future [17:10] Ficthe: who knows... [17:10] they're very quiet, really, always hiding behind walls and all [17:10] I might be wrong but I think thats how they where presenting that when it cam eout or well, when I first eard of that [17:11] and since say... a year or so, havent had any news about that [17:11] I was wondering how it goes [17:11] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:11] mbhayes: did you change anything on mx10? [17:11] regarding OSSEC? [17:11] I guess compiz totally owned em [17:13] Joker_-_, slackwate + xfce [17:13] eh, slackware [17:14] slackytude: yeah that was my config back when I was with slackware... [17:15] slackytude: honestly, I feel kinda... nostalgic about having full control over my desktop. [17:15] heh [17:15] zaltekk (i=4477c128@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-3619b6d24a49d845) joined ##slackware. [17:15] :) [17:15] I so dislike gnome... [17:15] I might install slackware tonight ;) [17:16] i need a little help setting up my dlink wireless card(atheros chipset). iwconfig shows wlan0, but this seems generic and i don't think that a driver for my card is loaded [17:16] whats tha website already, linuxpackages.net? [17:16] modprobe ath and modprobe ath_pci both can't find the driver. do i need to do a slackbuild for the atheros chipset driver? [17:16] Joker_-_, avoid it [17:16] slackytude: just kidding ;) [17:16] Joker_-_: slackbuilds.org or do you mean slackware.com? [17:17] acidchild: I haven't touched mx10 in a long while man [17:17] acidchild: and.. no I haven't changed ossec stuff on there either. [17:18] zaltekk, do a ethtool -i wlan0 to get driver name [17:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-9.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:18] needs root [17:18] okay, let me try that [17:19] yup, yup... I might just switch to slackware tonight. Would it work if I mount my actual /home straight over slackware's /home? I mean, ~/.configFiles would be a mess right? [17:19] says operation not permitted [17:19] as root [17:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: "/etc/rc.d/rc.ftslgt stop" [17:20] mbhayes: mmkay. [17:20] zaltekk: wlan0 indicates that ath5k driver got loaded, not the madwifi driver [17:20] acidchild: what's going on? [17:20] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: "You can't fire me....." [17:20] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Joker_-_, should work [17:20] i just added my /20 and one of the /24's to the white list. [17:20] alisonken1: i don't know the difference. will either work? [17:21] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:21] ath5k uses config80211 where madwifi uses wlanconfig [17:21] mbhayes: ^ [17:21] okay. so i shouldn't be trying to configure wlan0 with iwconfig? [17:21] zaltekk: ath5k is supposed to be reasonably stable as a client, but it won't work as an ap yet [17:21] zaltekk: not recommended [17:21] acidchild: oh ok [17:22] acidchild: For OSSEC or to the mail server whitelist? [17:22] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:22] alisonken1: okay. i only need it as a client. i'll trying the config80211 program. [17:22] OSSEC's whitelist on mx10 [17:23] zaltekk: also remember if you have wpa/wpa2 encryption, you also need wpa_supplicant [17:23] acidchild: k [17:23] acidchild: Did you want those added to the mail server white list? [17:23] what mailserver? [17:23] no. [17:24] alisonken1: can you give me a little bit of into on this config80211? a google search turns up almost nothing [17:24] acidchild: you don't want them whitelisted for mx10? ok [17:24] i just did that? [17:24] lol [17:24] no.. ossec you did [17:24] zaltekk: I haven't used the config80211 yet either :) - I've been using madwifi [17:24] I"m talkinga bout in postfix [17:25] no not post fix [17:25] =) [17:25] ok [17:25] alisonken1: is it a program? i can't find it on my system [17:26] config80211 is actually a setup package for compatible wireless chipsets - like I said, I know _about_ config80211, but that's it :) [17:27] k_wolf_ (n=wolf@201008242072.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] zaltekk: you also may want to try some of the guys/gals over at #madwifi and see if they can help. they're also trying to switch to the ath5k driver as well [17:28] okay...i'm just wondering why i can't find it with google. i'm not sure where to go from here [17:29] that's both of us. I've been trying to figure out the ath5k driver myself. I _think_ it uses the standard iwconfig commands, but I haven't had time to check it out yet [17:29] I couldn't het ath5k to work - went back to madwifi [17:29] s/het/get [17:30] I just know that madwifi uses wlanconfig to create the virtual interfaces on the physical device - but I believe the ath5k is a single interface setup similar to the other wireless stuff [17:30] there is a mailing list but I think they expect you be using latest kernel [17:30] and wlanconfig is madwifi only [17:31] I couldn't get an ath5k-supported card to work so I replaced it with an ipw3945 [17:31] iwconfig does show a "wlan0", but i'm having trouble getting it to connect [17:31] are you trying to connect to a wpa/wpa2 encrypted setup? [17:32] if you are, then you need the wpa_supplicant package as well [17:33] the only available AP is WEP [17:33] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) joined ##slackware. [17:33] well, wpa_supplicant will also handle wep I believe [17:33] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:34] ok heading back to the office [17:34] hi all, how do add a group to an already created user? [17:34] gpasswd [17:35] gpasswd -a USER GROUP [17:35] ok, i'll man it [17:39] slackytude, thank you very much, it worked fine :) [17:39] i'm not sure if the problem is with the ath5k driver or with me. [17:40] i used iwconfig to set the essid and the key [17:40] it still says it isn't associated. is there another step to this? [17:40] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) left irc: "Leaving" [17:41] sdns (n=swordfis@ip-50-126-ull.customer.panservice.it) left irc: Client Quit [17:42] zaltekk, that should be all [17:43] nfoss (n=codehabi@pool-71-112-166-132.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:43] slackytude: then what should i do to look for the problem? [17:43] no clue. I failed last time I had to fight with ath5k [17:44] should i try the madwifi driver? [17:44] its an option [17:44] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) left irc: "Saindo" [17:44] wireless is the only choice for this computer's internet connection [17:45] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:45] and i believe madwifi isn't included on the CDs. so i guess i need to find a floppy [17:47] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:47] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [17:49] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:52] after setting the essid and key, run dhcpd (?) [17:53] tank-man, it should associate anyway [17:53] need run iwconfig first [17:53] zaltekk: my atheros cards (two different ones) won't work with the ath5k either. I use madwifi, that works fine [17:53] /sbin/iwconfig wlan0 essid "xxxxx" [17:54] At the moment I am using madwifi-free - the branch with the new opensourced HAL, which no longer taints the kernel. Works great [17:54] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:54] well the ipw2200 driver was put in the kernel some time ago but it didn't work [17:54] alienBOB: using it ? [17:55] so don't hedge on ath5k working [17:55] Khratos (n=khratos@190.166.103.146) left irc: "... Leaving" [17:56] ath5k is working for my card [17:56] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:56] dive: i thought HAL wen't free. [17:56] stybla: on my desktop and my laptop [17:56] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [17:56] alienBOB: ah. okay. [17:56] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/madwifi-free/ [17:57] alienBOB: i'd use openwrt build and references, but thanks anyway ;) [17:57] dive: http://madwifi-project.org/wiki/news/20081129/sam-leffler-releases-hal-source <<< hm? [17:58] stybla, when did I say anything about HAL/ [17:58] ? [17:58] nessundorma (n=mike@host193-56-dynamic.104-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Leaving" [17:58] i feel confused now :s [17:59] from HALs [17:59] I'm using old madwifi driver - I didn't know about madwifi-free until alienBOB mentioned it just now [17:59] alienBOB: i'll check out the madwifi-free. i can't find a single detail that isn't set properly, yet the ath5k driver isn't working. [17:59] Im afraid I cant allow you to do that, stybla [17:59] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.144.69.234) left irc: "leaving" [17:59] kestrel (n=will@67.106.9.142.ptr.us.xo.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] slackytude: :D [17:59] ^-^ [18:00] dive: yeh, i'm just wondering what the hell is madwifi-free. [18:00] dunno I might have a look later [18:00] if it's ath5k (?), because - as i said, i'm confused. [18:00] stybla: madwifi has a closed-source HAL (binary blob) which taints the kernel. The madwifi-free branch of the code uses the new HAL which was released as open source [18:01] So, it is still madwifi, not ath5k [18:01] alienBOB: ah, so there are two HALs and it's not ath5k. thanks. [18:01] kernel tainting is bad :) [18:01] (and it's as i thought) [18:01] There are many HALS... to confuse you even more [18:02] But it boils down to exactly one that is free and open [18:02] And the rest are dumps from Atheros company [18:02] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [18:02] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [18:02] i see. [18:03] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[19:17] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.108.194) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:18] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [19:18] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:19] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:20] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl7-71-9.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [19:20] Why is aplay changing the format to U8, even though i'm supplying -f U16_LE?! [19:23] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [19:24] in fact it's just ignoring all my arguments..... [19:24] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Hello all. I'm following these directions: http://www.linux.com/articles/55617 to set myself up a wifi access point. Where is the best place in slack to put the "turning on the bridge commands" such that it starts up whenever the computer does? [19:24] rc.local? [19:25] I'm beginning to experience the meaning of "dependency hell" [19:25] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [19:26] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:27] nixnix (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [19:27] Nick change: nixnix -> nix_chix [19:28] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [19:29] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:31] Nick change: nix_chix -> nix_chix0r [19:31] mooglenorph: I think if you put it in a script (e.g. rc.wifiap) and make it executable in the rc.d dir, it will automatically be executed [19:31] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [19:32] kamaji, hrm, I didn't think of that. It would definately get automatically executed like that. And that seems a lot cleaner than dropping it all into rc.local. [19:33] I seem to have misunderstood something about bridges though: I can no longer get to that computer over ssh, now that the only ethernet interface is involved in a bridge. [19:33] you probably need to do something with 'route' but I can't help you there :\ [19:34] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:35] Ah, found it. I can stick the bridge into the network by giving it an IP address. Cool. [19:36] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2+2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [19:38] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [19:38] does anyone use dvd::rip? [19:40] DoktoRN (n=mathias@h9n5c1o968.bredband.skanova.com) left irc: "leaving" [19:41] kamaji: no, that's incorrect. [19:41] 00:31 < kamaji> mooglenorph: I think if you put it in a script (e.g. rc.wifiap) and make it executable in the rc.d dir, it will automatically be executed [19:41] Specifically, that ^ [19:42] mooglenorph: so your next comment is incorrect as well. [19:42] rworkman, ah. beh. what should I call it from then? [19:42] mooglenorph: depends on how early you want it started. [19:42] rworkman: eh? I have rc.foo scripts that execute on startup [19:42] kamaji: and I have a dog that's worthless. [19:43] Are all dogs worthless? [19:43] rworkman, well, I'd like rc.inet1.conf to be able to set up my GATEWAY [19:43] mooglenorph: in that case, I'd create an /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice and call it from there. [19:43] rworkman, I'm unsure how early it should be started. probably after everything else? [19:44] Have a look at this: http://rlworkman.net/conf/init/rc.bridge <-- that should give you an idea [19:44] You obviously don't care about the vbox stuff (which is obsolete now anyway), but it will show you how I called the bridge setup stuff and perhaps give you a pointer as to how to make it work from rc.inet1 [19:44] rworkman: oh, you're right, it seems I put an entry in rc.M >_> [19:45] kamaji: :) [19:45] oh well, we live and learn :D [19:47] Interesting. Thanks. Is it okay to call a script like that just from rc.local? I don't really need it to start before then. [19:47] well dvd::rip wants a bunch of things... does anyone know a more straightforward tool to just take dvd -> .avi ... possibly with subs although not if they are hardcoded in. [19:48] hiptobecubic: i like vobcopy, you might want to give it a try [19:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [19:48] mooglenorph: yes, that's fine. However, rc.netdevice (if that's where you call it) is started *early* in boot (after all, look at its name) :) [19:48] Action: mooglenorph nods [19:48] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Pig_Pen, hmmmm i'll look for it. [19:49] rworkman, where is that documented? [19:50] i am not absolutly sure but vobcopy might need libdvdcss & libdvdread, (both good libraries to have for other apps too) [19:50] I *think* I read the slackbook fairly carefully a bit ago, and I don't remember mention of an rc.netdevices. I could've just missed it. [19:51] slackytude (i=1009@g227091181.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:53] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:53] evening good slacking folks :-) [19:54] raela|alt (n=raela@12.89.75.126) joined ##slackware. [19:55] hi macavity [19:55] root__ (n=root@mail.jsd.k12.ak.us) joined ##slackware. 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[20:03] read the documentation, i think you can scale the file down when ripping, but if you have lots of disk space you get some very good quality rips with it hiptobecubic [20:03] hbsysadmin, which enlightenment? both of them work. neither is very good :-) [20:03] k_wolf (n=wolf@201009155142.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:04] WOW... the DNS reccord for google.com just went haywire here.. google.dk works as intended [20:04] I think the problem is that I have kde running with a lousy script I made at boot (it's on my home pc... this lappy is slack but I've done it since I learned to config properly) [20:05] my home box has all sorts of screwy stuff going on with it [20:05] moo`i5'w h05 [20:05] I think i'll just reinstall [20:05] erm [20:05] mooglenorph: it's not. [20:05] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [20:05] I'll probably just use ubuntu: satanic edition for the flashy gui [20:06] hmm. so i got ath5k to work on my first try using KWiFiManager. but i still can't get it to work from a terminal [20:06] Pig_Pen, i have space. i'll figure it out. thanks [20:06] but nothing beats slack for pure, raw, power... as I'm sure all of you will agree [20:06] if i do ifconfig wlan0 down && ifconfig wlan0 up, wireless stops working [20:06] hmm [20:06] but if i do ifconfig wlan0 down, and then tell KWiFiManager to connect, it works again. [20:06] i can't figure out what KWiFiManager is doing that I am not. [20:07] dhcpcd wlan0? [20:07] that might be it [20:07] nope [20:07] not using dhcp [20:07] nvm then lol [20:07] interesting [20:07] mooglenorph: and now, I can't even find where it's called. :/ I *know* it used to be an undocumented thing - perhaps it was removed in 12.2 since it's largely deprecated. [20:07] iwconfig shows that wlan0 isn't associated if i don't use KWiFiManager [20:07] i can't get it associated in any other way [20:07] zaltekk: tried wicd? [20:07] what is wicd? [20:07] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:07] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Connection reset by peer [20:08] It's a really easy-to-use w/lan manager [20:08] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:08] rworkman, beh. [20:08] zaltekk: http://wicd.net [20:08] This is really odd. My OLPC is getting an IP address fine from the wifi. [20:08] It's not fancy, but it works. [20:09] i don't need a wlan manager [20:09] I don't suppose anyone has a quadruple-precision cosine function written in C lying around? [20:09] i just need to know what KWiFiManager is doing that I am not [20:09] if not dhcp, what are you using? [20:09] NyteOwl: I just sold my last one! [20:09] But my slack 12.1 laptop gets an ip that isn't even of the right form. 192.168.1.x instead of 10.1.10.x [20:09] the ip is assigned statically [20:09] ah [20:09] I figured, but I had to ask [20:10] All I do is iwconfig wlan0 essid myessid, dhcpcd wlan0 [20:10] and i don't even get that far. i can't associated at all [20:10] The broadcast address is right. [20:11] mooglenorph: I put that at the end of my rc.inetd file... saves some trouble [20:11] PaddyMac: heh [20:12] i just reinstalled two XP systems that i did fresh installs on for a client. when i got there to put them back in place a third system was infected. [20:12] winlogon was backdoored [20:12] zaltekk... why not just make a simple script with nothing but "ifconfig wlan0 down and ifconfig wlan0 up"? [20:13] fucked up quoting that but you catch my drift [20:13] and the reason why? i'll tell you why! the default windows XP settings mean that the default user is a member of the administrators group...how brilliant [20:13] call it "reconnect" or something simple... [20:13] nullboy: lol. old news. whwo set them up and left them that way? [20:14] hbsysadmin: btw... /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart .....does exactly that [20:14] NyteOwl: the idiot person who called them-self and admin [20:14] heh [20:14] nullboy: ty... [20:15] NyteOwl: he left them hanging and then i got in there on referral ;) [20:15] nullboy: here, have a gin and tonic [20:15] oh boy! [20:15] perfect [20:15] Gin and Juice [20:15] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:15] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:16] eviljames (i=101@96.49.81.107) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:16] When I connect my slack 12.1 laptop to the network and run dhcpcd eth0 it works fine. [20:16] smoking endo? sipping on gin an juice? [20:16] in my six four [20:16] nullboy: not knowing something that would make my job easier doesn't mean I'm not an admin... I found a workaround. Granted you knew something I did not, because I never had reason to learn it... I just make workaround scripts. call it whatever you want but insulting me is just a sign of petty arrogance [20:17] umm ok? [20:17] what makes ifconfig report a device as "RUNNING"? [20:17] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:17] and how did i insult you? [20:17] zaltekk (n=zaltekk@host-64-234-27-197.nctv.com) joined ##slackware. [20:17] what makes ifconfig report that a device is "RUNNING"? [20:17] I assumed the "idiot who called himself an admin" was directed at me, after your comment... if it wasn't, I apologize [20:17] hbsysadmin: i think you need to take a step back and re-read the buffer. [20:17] fair enough [20:18] I've had a long day [20:18] pebkacs galore [20:18] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [20:18] you hear that sound? [20:18] ? [20:18] the slow playing violin [20:18] when configured with KWiFiManager versus by hand, iwconfig wlan0 has identical output. however, ifconfig wlan0 lists "RUNNING" only when setup by KWiFiManager. [20:19] NyteOwl: better make that a double [20:19] sadly, i don't know what causes this difference [20:19] I think I do hear a tiny violin actually [20:19] cool... [20:19] thanks for bringing it to my attention, I love this song [20:19] :D [20:19] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:20] nullboy: that's the smallest I pour :) [20:20] lol [20:20] Action: chopp picks some rotton fruit off nullboys tree and throws it at hbsysadmin [20:20] is using 'dd if=/dev/dvd of=/tmp/dvd.iso' a valid way to make an iso? [20:20] hbsysadmin (n=root@mail.jsd.k12.ak.us) left irc: "Leaving" [20:21] hiptobecubic: for data cd's yes [20:21] cd/dvd [20:21] nullboy, not movies/audio? [20:21] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:21] for dvd video you can do that but if you plan to play it somewhere other than a a deck you probably should DeCSS it [20:22] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] l8ers, i gotta watch a spaghetti western :D [20:22] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [20:22] nachox: elfutils refuse to compile on 12.1, hence no systemtap :-/ [20:23] i have three irish red ales that were done up at a local brewery...all for me [20:23] too bad it's not three Irish red heads though [20:24] PsYkHe (n=psykhe@201.39.212.67) joined ##slackware. [20:24] eew, an ulrich drepper app : [20:24] whats the gcc error to *suppress* all the other -W options :P [20:24] thrice`: huh? [20:25] (looking elfutils) [20:25] thrice`: ulrich drepper is an arsehole.. but a goddamn fine programmer [20:25] lol [20:25] he's crazy o.O [20:25] so is Theo [20:25] ulrich is refusing to provide tarballs for glibc anymore, as he feels they are obsolete :) [20:25] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:27] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:27] so you git-clone the branch you want.. big deal.. or you find a morror that does it for you [20:27] yes, of course. just an odd way of thinking [20:28] but right now i am trying to get around his rigidt "treat warnings as errors" as that bombs out here [20:29] evo- (n=evo@p4FD4C7DD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:29] sluttyduck (n=nn@adsl-074-183-081-161.sip.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:30] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [20:31] macavity: try: find . -name Makefile.in -print0 | xargs -0 sed -i -e 's:-W\(error\|extra\)::g' [20:31] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150022047.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:32] l00t- (n=i-i3id3r@20150022047.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:32] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:32] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] thrice`: nada [20:33] Rebooted the laptop. Still gets the same IP address from "dhcpcd wlan0" [20:33] This is really weird. [20:34] macavity: bummer :| I was checking out http://www.gentoo-portage.com/dev-libs/elfutils [20:34] click on the latest ebuild; they do a little more tweaking to get it to build [20:34] mooglenorph: dhcpcd reccords what adress that interface got last time, and requests that adress again [20:35] mooglenorph: a quick look over the manpage will tell you which option disables that feature [20:35] thrice`: thx :-) [20:35] macavity, also, it doesn't seem to rewrite my resolv.conf [20:35] macavity, thanks [20:36] thrice`: ah, my bad.. now it compiles.. i read "sed" as "grep" and didnt realize that it actually fixed something :P [20:37] well, that would be worthless :) [20:38] of fuck.. i grepped the Makefile for DESTDIR, but it doesnt honnor it :-/ [20:38] i now officially hate Ulric Drepper [20:39] \o/ [20:39] macavity: can you pastebin the Makefile somewhere? :) [20:40] rworkman: http://pastebin.ca/1323278 [20:40] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:40] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:41] macavity, is it -k? [20:42] mooglenorph: no, that is for killing the dhcpcd currently running on whatever interface you specify [20:42] bkUp (n=bkUp@189.36.160.222) joined ##slackware. [20:42] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [20:43] mooglenorph: -s [20:43] mooglenorph: better read how that works... its a little odd [20:43] i just got a funny fortune from bash A commune is where people join together to share their lack of wealth. -- R. Stallman [20:43] :o [20:44] macavity: have you actually tried with DESTDIR? [20:44] according to the gentoo ebuild, destdir should work [20:44] nullboy: I thought that was the local pub at happy hourz? [20:44] rworkman: does "DESTDIR=../build make install" qualify? [20:44] no [20:45] haha [20:45] As a normal user, do "make install DESTDIR=/full/path/to/build [20:45] brb [20:45] NyteOwl (n=sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: [20:45] Action: macavity bends over [20:45] DESTDIR needs to be declared *after* "make" in case the Makefile defines DESTDIR inside it (many have "DESTDIR= " [20:46] rworkman: many "softwares" dont have "DESTDIR" [20:46] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:46] gar0t0: indeed, but this one appears to [20:46] This one also appears to recursively descend into subdirs and use Makefiles in them [20:46] rworkman: DESTDIR=/full/path/to/build make install" worked correctly [20:47] macavity: Then the Makefile doesn't declare a DESTDIR - good :) [20:47] Just to be safe, get into my habit though :) You'll appreciate it sooner or later. [20:47] rworkman: I know, the "point" is, I can add DESTDIR in Makefile ? [20:47] gar0t0: yes. It's sometimes trivial, and other times moderately easy, and other times I just say "fuck it" [20:47] rworkman: according to bash(1) it should not matter if you set veriables before or after the command [20:47] if you know make files sure [20:48] rworkman: the subshell that the command gets launched in will have them set in the invironment all the same [20:48] I was just curious...and I'm not a programmer. But when I opened up the SlackBuild for VLC, it defined option for numerous architectures. Most SlackBuild only define options for i486, i686, and x86_64. If I were to copy and paste the definitions for other architectures from the vlc.SlackBuild into another SlackBuild, would that be all that would be necessary to enable those options to optimie the build for another architec [20:48] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: "User pushed the X - because it's Xtra, baby" [20:49] and ultimately, if you really want to modify the source so that it's useful to upstream, you need to get their svn/cvs/git/bzr or whatever and modify the raw template *.in and *.in.in and such files. [20:50] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:50] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) joined ##slackware. [20:50] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:50] CaptObviousman (n=The_Capt@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [20:50] ok... now i have a problem :-/ [20:51] tuvok302 (i=vircuser@h139-78.wlan.ucalgary.ca) left irc: Client Quit [20:51] after i installed elfutils, ./configure for systemtap bombs out after three tests with "c compiler cannot create executables" [20:51] Check the perms of your package directories [20:53] not as user either [20:53] err.. not as root either [20:53] i just removed the sources and unpacked again [20:53] ok.. i have located the cause [20:53] macavity: no, what I mean is, make sure the *package* of elfutils that you just installed didn't have bad perms (like 0700) on the ./usr dir or some such [20:54] when i removepkg elfutils it skips a lot of files [20:54] uh oh [20:54] :) [20:55] LOL [20:55] Can you paste a package contents somewhere? I'm curious :) [20:55] how to break a toolchain: http://pastebin.ca/1323295 [20:55] do NOT install elfutils on slackware... EVARZ! [20:56] Hrm. Lines 27 and on are interesting. What's going on there? [20:56] i havent gotten a clue [20:56] but now i have a good reason to upgrade to 12.2 [20:57] nachox: reccomending systemtap is potentially dangerous to slackware users :P [20:57] Now you've got me curious. How big is the source? [20:57] rworkman: interesting - mulltiple libs for different arch's? that's a good one [20:57] rworkman: 1.4MB [20:58] alisonken1home: no, what interests me is that files in a unique directory somehow disappeared before the package manager deleted them. [20:58] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [20:58] rworkman: systemtap is 1.2MB [20:58] macavity: if you don't mind, mail what you've got to me (not the actual sources - scripts and such) and I'll play around with it [20:58] macavity: you didn't by chance rm -rf /usr/lib/elfutils/ before removing the package, did you? [20:59] rworkman: no scripts.. the regular hand-build-a-package method.. except i botched the first go and installed elfutils over the system with make install [20:59] rworkman: that too [20:59] rworkman: i am not *that* stupid :P [21:00] rworkman: it is not the first time ive accedently installed over the system... making a proper package with the same ./configure options, and then installpkg and removepkg it has always fixed the issues for me [21:01] macavity, thanks, that works fine now. Before I've just been killing dhcpcd and then re-running it. I don't understand why that worked for so long. (years) [21:01] mooglenorph: look in /etc/dhcpc/ if you feel a sudden urge to tidy things up :P [21:02] mooglenorph: There are plenty of things that theoretically aren't supposed to work but do. [21:02] ...and plenty of things that theoretically should work that don't. [21:02] macavity, I've been staring at the man page for a while, and I can't figure out how to say "give me just any IP address and discard all previous settings"? [21:02] just as there are plenty of things that theoretically *are* supposed to what, but dont :P [21:03] rwright (n=rwright@h-68-166-205-106.dllatx37.dynamic.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] mooglenorph: rm /etc/dhcpc/dhcpcd-wlan0.cache [21:03] mooglenorph: then dhcpcd -k wlan0 && dhcpcd wlan0 [21:03] macavity: okay, cool. I'll play around with it tomorrow hopefully [21:04] Weird. I've never done that before. Well, learning. It's good. Thanks. [21:04] Yes. I love to learn. But the speed at which my eyes and ears work act as a bottleneck. [21:05] rworkman: it is of no interest to us, as it is *intended* to overwite those files... this is probably code that will be mearged back into binutils/nasm/etc [21:05] And long periods of study are more tiring than hours of physical labor. [21:05] PaddyMac: that depends on the time of day... [21:06] PaddyMac: to me, using my head in the morning is torture, but late in the evening i can just keep going and going [21:06] PaddyMac: and physical it is vice versa [21:06] macavity: ...and level of enthusiasm. [21:06] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:08] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [21:08] I've done physical labor at a garden center, in construction, and working for a moving company. I would be tired after those jobs, but a nice hot shower and some clean clothes were enough for me to get out and do something else in the evening. I now have an office job where I sit on my butt all day, and now I never feel like doing anything after work. [21:08] PaddyMac: go to the gym before you go home [21:09] macavity: ohhh. /me is ignoring it then :) [21:09] PaddyMac: your brain can top out at around 30% of your body's total calorie burning during periods of intense thinking and the area in the brain that renders vision is one of the most active areas while we are awake [21:09] PaddyMac: physical energy is an unbalanced equation... the more you use, the more you get :P [21:09] If I'm going to exercise, I have to do it in the morning. [21:10] macavity: It does seem that way. If I did what I enjoyed more, I'd go back to working at a garden center. But my customer job pays half again as much plus benefits. [21:10] gar0t0_ (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [21:11] customer service, that is. [21:11] aka human shield [21:11] human shield? I don't understand what you mean, nullboy? [21:12] customer service positions are like standing in a live fire zone [21:12] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:13] my batery sux [21:13] Nick change: gar0t0_ -> gar0t0 [21:14] Sometimes. But I've been doing it for over a year and a half, and I can probably count on one hand how many customers seemed hostile for no good reason. The majority of customers are very pleasant. Among those that are angry, when I talk to them and find out what's going on, I usually think "I'd be mad too." [21:14] yeah [21:15] i've been yelled at in languages i can't understand at all [21:15] had people smash the phone on the other end [21:16] LOL. I haven't had that happen too often - maybe in Spanish a couple of times. I take it you've done customer service, too, nullboy. [21:17] Niiccolee (i=NewBiEtc@41.236.14.207) joined ##slackware. [21:17] yeah [21:17] i did it for 3 years [21:17] macavity, systemtap is dangerous to everyone but some things cannot be done without it [21:17] macavity, i'd love to see some form of dtrace ported so that the dtrace probes everywhere can be used in linux too though [21:17] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Say good night to the bad guy." [21:20] I don't think this is what I always want to do, but the company I work for has room and opportunity for advancement. But I would like to do something that gives me a sense of fulfillment. But that would be some kind of charity work. And I don't know how many high-paying charity jobs there are. I have one daughter now, and I want to have more children in the near future. [21:22] But I feel for the people I work with. A lady called in yesterday and was in tears and told me her car had been stolen, and she didn't know what to do. [21:22] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:22] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:23] Once I had a young lady be extremely rude to me. I forgot to discuss something with her, so I had to call her back, and when I did she was very apologetic and told me she knew she was being "bitchy" with me earlier. She was actually very nice after that. [21:24] She seemed kind of attractive too. LOL [21:24] haha [21:25] I'm glad you said something, I realized I'd been talking to myself for the past 7 minutes. [21:25] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-160-76-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:25] IRC: full of time delay. [21:26] I have to go to bed no later than an hour from now, but now would be better. I'd I didn't have to work tomorrow I'd have a second shot of Capt. Morgan's and stay up another hour. [21:26] kevlinux (i=kevlinux@cpe-66-8-182-104.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [21:27] You and the captain make it happen! [21:28] mooglenorph: Yes. That's true. There's also a lot of user delay. Switching from window to window doing terminal stuff and what-not. Really how many people are up taking a leak right now that we don't know about? [21:29] I actually like it better that way. On IM people expect you to respond *right away*, which is too much pressure for me. [21:30] True. And it's kind of sad in a way that I have close friends blocked on Yahoo messenger because the IM me EVERY TIME they see me online, and it's very irritating. [21:31] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.59.172) left irc: "Leaving" [21:31] I sometimes wax nostaligic about the good ol' days of BBSs. [21:31] You know -- dialup systems where if they had two nodes they were uptown. [21:31] Just tell us to get off the lawn already. [21:32] rworkman: huh? [21:32] :D You know, the stereotypical "old guy" --- "Damn kids! Get off my lawn!" [21:33] I must have missed something. [21:34] I'm calling you old. [21:34] I'm only 30! [21:34] Close enough. [21:34] Wait. I'm 31. Nevermind. [21:34] Get off my lawn. [21:34] But you sound like my child's mother. She's 7 months younger than me and she calls me "old". [21:34] lol [21:35] hehe [21:35] Damn, biab - daughter's fussing :/ [21:35] I still wonder what ever happened to some of those people from the mid-nineties -- like this guy named Jerm who sysoped for teh 4th and 1/2 Dimension. [21:36] I sometimes dream about dialing up an old BBS I used to call a lot and being very happy that the BBS is up and running again. Then I wake up and am disappointed. Is that a nerd dream or what? [21:36] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:37] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:37] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.73) joined ##slackware. [21:37] Then there's the dream about the clothing-optional water park.... but I digress. LOL [21:38] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:39] LOL! [21:39] rworkman: when will you turn 32? [21:40] where can I get Slackware 1.00? [21:40] skibur: ftp://ftp.slackware.no/linux/slackware [21:41] thanks [21:41] skibur: only back to 1.1.2 is mirror [21:41] *mirrord [21:41] macavity: I should write a book with my dreams. A few of them have been movie material. [21:41] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [21:41] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [21:42] Maybe if I'm lucky I'll have the water park dream tonight. LOL [21:43] Anyway. I'm going to bed. My melatonin is kicking in. Good night. 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[22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:08] look in ##linux [22:09] should I get rid of my .kde? [22:10] well, I backed it up anyways. [22:11] PaddyMac (i=1000@dialup-4.153.204.60.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:12] ah, I'll just get rid of it. [22:12] slackj (n=weechat@203.144.85.85) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.5" [22:16] hmm, when can I delete .kde? [22:16] now seems like a bad idea. [22:16] br [22:16] why do you want to delete it in the first place? [22:16] b [22:16] one sec [22:16] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [22:16] no [22:16] i will not hold for him. [22:17] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:18] nullboy: this thing on upgrading to KDE 4.2 is recommending it. [22:18] one sec... [22:18] Action: nullboy walks away [22:22] Niiccolee (i=NewBiEtc@41.236.14.207) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:23] limac: if you have a backup of .kde i see no problem in removing the original [22:23] hey macavity :) [22:23] spook :-) [22:23] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) left irc: Connection timed out [22:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) joined ##slackware. [22:25] limac: just remember that KDE stores more than just settings in .kde (which imho is a flaw.. freedesktop.org should come up with some kind of standard to avoid mixing rc files and resource files) [22:26] macavity: lol, that figures, I deleted that form the GUI, and all the programs went bye bye. [22:26] like the konsole. [22:28] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] ... [22:29] it also contains the kde adress book, calender, bookmarks and so forth [22:29] gabriel__ (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:29] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.74.67) joined ##slackware. [22:30] I accidentally copied the .kde to another directory as root, and now I can't access that directory as regular user. [22:30] fix the perms then [22:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:30] wat (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:31] someone mind helping me install slackware [22:31] nope :) [22:31] o [22:31] i just need to know what to do with the partitions [22:31] nullboy: chown -R root:wheel ? [22:31] wat: pick "Install Everything" if this is your first go.. [22:31] wat: what you need? [22:31] im in cfdisk and made hda1 bootable as a primary part type, and the fs type is linux, is this correct? any other partitions i may need? [22:31] limac: ? [22:31] limac: chown -R limac:users is probably what you want :P [22:32] this is a virtual machine fyi [22:32] macavity: oh, that works too :) [22:32] so any other partitions? [22:32] s/works too/is right/ [22:32] wat: yea, still basically the same thing. [22:33] wat: if its for a virtual machine it probably doesnt matter all that much [22:33] yea, that's what I implied. [22:33] wat: yes, add a swap partition, about 2xram if below 1G, 2GB swap above that (assuming normal use, no big server) [22:33] kk [22:33] wat: i have a 10GB / and a 90GB /home [22:33] higuita: 1 gb is enough imo. [22:33] limac: depends on what the people do with the machine [22:33] i forget how to add new partitions with cfdisk [22:33] wat: but that is because i want to be able to format the / partition and re-install/upgrade without loosing my user files [22:34] i see [22:34] heh... i only have 43MB swap [22:34] so how do i add new partitions? [22:34] that is what was left after 10+90GB [22:34] i have 4Gb ram, 3Gb swap, i'm using 600Mb swap and about 1Gb cache [22:34] wat: is there any more room on the disk? [22:34] yes [22:35] i see bootable/delete/help/maximize/print/quit/type/units/write [22:35] and this is on a virtual machine if i havent said that yet [22:35] unused ram is good to drop to swap and use the "free" space to put cache on it [22:35] but i see no new option [22:35] wat: i belive it is called "add" or something [22:35] i dont see add [22:35] those are the only options i see [22:36] arrow down? [22:36] no more partitions [22:36] macavity: cannot read directory: /kde3-HOME(where I backed .kde up): permission denied :( [22:36] now it says the fs type is linux swap, anything else? [22:36] limac: you need to be root i assume [22:36] wat: you need the primary linux partition now. [22:37] macavity: ok. [22:37] limac: that is, if the files are owned by root............... [22:37] but there is no new/add/whatever option [22:37] couldnt i use fdisk? [22:37] hold on im going to start over [22:38] wat: hang on.. ill make a diskimage and see [22:38] wat: there is no need to. [22:38] kk [22:38] im resizing my virtualbox image [22:38] wat: you running it thru windows? [22:38] yes [22:38] ah ok. [22:39] is that a problem [22:39] wat: it should be the other way around ;-) [22:39] im a pc gamer [22:39] the only linux i have used is ubuntu/fedora/opensuse [22:39] this might hurt a little then [22:39] i know [22:39] D: [22:40] wat: it's fun though :) [22:40] eeek... cfdisk cant handle a nullfile as a disk image [22:40] hold on [22:40] let me find my installer iso [22:40] nullfile? [22:40] so anyone here running no gui? [22:40] me [22:40] :) [22:40] it can handle a full disk image though [22:41] arianai suno [22:41] nullboy: how to make one of those? [22:41] macavity: just make a full image instead of faking it with a nullfile [22:41] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [22:41] dd out the whole file [22:41] since im in a virtual machine, do i really need to partition? [22:41] i dont have that kind of spare space [22:41] wat: no [22:42] well then dood [22:42] wat: how much RAM is in that box? [22:42] 4 gigs [22:42] rather how much is being used for the VM? [22:42] wat: and how much did you tell VB to give to slackware? [22:42] hold on [22:42] 788 [22:43] that will suffice for a full KDE session [22:43] i should use less shouldnt i lmao [22:43] trust me.. [22:43] o [22:43] i cant remember when i last peaked above 512 [22:43] sorry for being so slackware illiterate, im just trying to learn to use it :) [22:43] thats all good [22:43] start with slackbook.org [22:43] hehe [22:43] umn [22:44] um [22:44] id rather get it installed first [22:44] that way you wont ask "damnit son, its in chapter 3"-style questions :P [22:44] o [22:44] ok [22:44] slackbook walks you through the installer too..... [22:44] now i see new in cfdisk [22:44] id rather do it with you guys............. :) [22:44] yup, hit that. [22:44] ok i made a new partition [22:44] the new-->primary--->image size [22:44] but now i cant get back to the new/etc. options [22:45] you have to hilight the unused part before you see new [22:45] o [22:45] damn i used all of it [22:45] :P [22:45] so [22:45] ding ding [22:45] how much should i use? [22:45] for what? [22:45] no leave some for the swap. [22:45] partition [22:45] dooh [22:45] i have 35782.48 mb [22:45] for WHAT partition [22:45] has anyone else here had problems with alsa and 2.6.28* kernels ? [22:45] primary [22:45] you mean / [22:45] ? [22:46] Soul_keeper: not me [22:46] primary partition [22:46] wat: leave around 1gb for the swap. [22:46] Soul_keeper: on the contrary [22:46] should the partition be beginning or end [22:46] of free space [22:46] arg... [22:46] sorry >_> [22:46] beginning. [22:46] kk [22:46] it doesnt fscking matter [22:46] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [22:46] ture. [22:46] now for swap :) [22:46] macavity, what sound card do you have ? [22:46] true. [22:46] this would be a logical partition? [22:47] Soul_keeper: realtek on intel HDA [22:47] nope. [22:47] o [22:47] : :<* [22:47] :P [22:47] >_< [22:47] and this size should be how much? [22:47] less than 1gb? [22:47] are you making a swap partition? [22:47] im thinking 500 mb? [22:47] or something else? [22:47] is anyone watching BSG right now? [22:47] yes macavity [22:47] macavity, ahhh i got a audigy 2 they changed some things around in the config since 2.6.24.5 [22:47] macavity: swap. [22:48] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) left irc: Connection timed out [22:48] Soul_keeper: remove /etc/asound.* [22:48] ok [22:48] linux swap [22:48] 500 mb [22:48] Soul_keeper: alsamixer and alsactl store [22:48] am i ready for setup? [22:48] wat: yup. [22:48] and you changed the type to swap? [22:48] wat: wait! [22:49] yes?' [22:49] type 83? [22:49] wat: did you set the linux partition to bootable? [22:49] 82 [22:49] roger [22:49] macavity, so those are the alsamixer setting then i take it ? [22:49] nope limac whoops hehe [22:49] should i set swap to bootable? [22:49] no [22:49] ook [22:49] as far as I know, only ms needs boot flag [22:50] bootable partition doesn't matter in linux [22:50] so linux doesn't have to have a boot flag? [22:50] and since you are going to install lilo to MBR you dont need any boot flags [22:50] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) joined ##slackware. [22:50] ah I see. [22:50] shouldn't, most linux boot loaders (syslinux, extlinux, lilo, grub) use other means to identify boot partitions [22:50] wat: disregard what I said then :P [22:50] alisonken1home: yes, if you install lilo to the superblock it is needed.. otherwise the factory bootloader on the MBR dont know what to do [22:50] ok limac [22:50] alisonken1home: gotchazz... [22:50] writing to disk [22:51] running setup :p [22:51] macavity: interestig - have to try that and see what happens :) [22:51] :o [22:51] alisonken1home: it says "please insert bootable system disk" or some such [22:51] macavity: factory boot loader? [22:51] alisonken1home: yes, see the lilo docs [22:52] alisonken1home: you can ask lilo to install the "industry standard boot loader" to the MBR [22:52] macavity: ah -bios. bootloader to me does not equate to bios [22:52] swap should be ext3 right? [22:52] I always just use lilo with default settings to mbr [22:52] wat: NO [22:52] wat: if you want. [22:52] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:53] limac: NO [22:53] which one [22:53] wat: no SWAP. [22:53] my bad. [22:53] what should the swap be? [22:53] swap is a raw format [22:53] alisonken1home: swap is swap, other partitions would use extX, reiserfs, whatever [22:53] o [22:53] so dont format it? [22:53] it will pick it up itself [22:53] wat: sorry - that was for you :) [22:53] o [22:53] yikes got confused with the orig one :P [22:53] that is. [22:53] the '/' [22:53] setting up packages >_< [22:54] hey this installation isnt as bad as i thought it would be [22:54] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "See you later..." [22:54] wat: pick "install everything" or you will end up getting hurt :P [22:54] you can format whatever format setup shows - as long as the kernel can find the right driver it'll boot [22:54] where is install everything [22:54] SharkBait (n=gooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:54] wat: Full install [22:54] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.158.172.77) joined ##slackware. [22:54] or something along that line. [22:55] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.169.221) joined ##slackware. [22:55] wat: it will ask when you get to that part of the menu [22:55] im at select source media [22:55] Is anyone running slackware with a radeon GPU? [22:55] nvidia here :) [22:55] should i just select everything? [22:55] SharkBait, yes [22:56] alisonken1home: the bios just attempts to execute the first sector of the MBR if that disk is in the bios boot-order. If the MBR has not been tampered with (like installing lilo/grub to it), it will just contain a small peice of code that looks at the partition table and determins which partition is set bootable, then executes the first sector of said partition. [22:56] wat: what option? [22:56] hold on [22:56] the games devel and stuff? [22:56] source [22:56] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.158.172.77) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:56] alisonken1home: the windows installer checks if the MBR actually contains that peice of industry standard code, and writes it to MBR if it is missing [22:56] wat: select the ones you want, not necesarily everything. [22:56] how do i select stuff D: [22:56] macavity: bios should load the first 512 bytes which is a disk access loader last time I checked [22:56] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.158.172.77) joined ##slackware. [22:56] space [22:56] dive: Im currently running a radeon 4850 but i cant seem to find a driver for it, could you chuck is the url from where you got yours? [22:57] wat: select "Install Everything"... period! [22:57] SharkBait, I'm using the xorg driver [22:57] ok [22:57] full [22:57] install EVERYTHING [22:57] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.158.172.77) left irc: Client Quit [22:57] yes :-) [22:57] installation is done [22:57] O_O [22:57] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.158.172.77) joined ##slackware. [22:57] good gosh is that it? [22:57] dive: Does that come standard with the xorg package? [22:57] I don't think so. [22:57] no.. now it should start asking you a shit load of questions [22:58] SharkBait, yes [22:58] a couple of minor setup routines, but it should be installed now [22:58] unless something fscked up [22:58] i should reboot right [22:58] no [22:58] dive: Did you have to edit xorg to tell it to use that driver? [22:58] it should tell you when to reboot. [22:58] it just said COMPLETE after like 5 seconds [22:58] it just said reboot [22:58] it should ask you qestions about services and lilo and stuff [22:58] SharkBait, nope [22:58] <_adrenaline> Hello macavity [22:58] rebooting it said reboot [22:58] SharkBait, it was set up auto I seem to recall [22:58] O_O [22:58] wat: then reboot I guess ;) [22:58] ;) [22:58] i dont like the sound of that [22:59] me neiter [22:59] no bootable medium [22:59] >_< [22:59] dive: Just a standard X installation without anything fancy? [22:59] SiegeX_iPh_ (n=SiegeX@32.155.133.127) joined ##slackware. [22:59] <_adrenaline> SharkBait, oh ha ha [22:59] :P [22:59] i hate to say i told you so [22:59] i knew something wasnt righT! [22:59] right* [22:59] SiegeX_iPh_ (n=SiegeX@32.155.133.127) left irc: Client Quit [22:59] well, something screwed up. [22:59] _adrenaline: Heh? [22:59] all over again [22:59] at least this time the partitions are right [22:59] i wonder what >_< [22:59] macavity: ...now the fun beings. [22:59] wat: X setup is sometime after you install/reboot. setup should only ask you about networking and a couple of other minor things [22:59] it didnt ask me anything [22:59] SharkBait, yes the xorg radeon driver should be in the normal install if you picked full install [23:00] limac: well.. i officially do not support virtual machines :P [23:00] o [23:00] ok [23:00] <_adrenaline> SharkBait, just being silly from finding nemo [23:00] _adrenline: I like your style, ha [23:00] <_adrenaline> thanks [23:00] alisonken1home: i would not call lilo a minor thing :P [23:00] _adrenaline: hello :-) [23:01] im a fan of grub [23:01] in this case it is a bit of an overkill [23:01] macavity: depends on how long you've been using it ;) [23:01] dive: Hmm, i think i may have removed the ati driver from the install, but i *did* re-download the driver from packages.slackware.net i beleive [23:01] but yes, it has many nice features [23:01] wat: did you pick, install lilo to MBR? [23:01] from the lilo option? [23:01] go tit [23:01] limac: he never got that far... [23:01] got it* [23:01] i didnt format my primary partition [23:01] oh... :S [23:01] :P [23:01] how silly of me [23:01] wat: ahhh... ding-ding :P [23:02] hehehehehe [23:02] and it is not your "primary partition" [23:02] SharkBait, and you installpkg'd it? [23:02] that is DOS language [23:02] ok [23:02] you mean your root partition [23:02] yes [23:02] or / partition [23:02] slackware seems like a fun os [23:02] SharkBait, just edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and change driver to radeon [23:02] macavity: that is your root partition. both the swap and the root are primary. ;) [23:02] ding ding [23:02] and see if it works [23:02] limac: i know... [23:02] anyone here running with no gui? [23:02] dive: ofcourse, i found the ati driver for my card on their website, ill give it a whirl [23:03] LOTS Of packages :O [23:03] macavity: yikes, that was aimed towards wat :P [23:03] o [23:03] :P [23:03] so anyone with no gui? [23:03] wat: several at the other office - route, couple of pos's, and a server [23:03] wat, me [23:03] o [23:03] wat: me. [23:03] s/route/router/ [23:03] so uh [23:03] how does no gui work [23:03] wat: them [23:03] hmm...KDE 4 can wait till tomorrow. [23:03] wat: once you discover yakuake you will realize that you can have the best of both worlds without sacrifice [23:03] use console/ssh [23:03] wat, I'm running a few apps in 'screen' [23:03] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:03] yakuake? [23:03] hba: love the way you think :P [23:04] slackware can run gnome right =x [23:04] wat: yakuake is a terminal emulator that you "pull down" like the console in Quake [23:04] o [23:04] i use guake [23:04] guake was better than tilda :P [23:04] wat: can - just not supported [23:04] indeed [23:04] kde is pretty cool though [23:05] let me say right off the bat... slackware and gnome means "you get to pick among suboptimal solutions" [23:05] wasnt 4 reallllly buggy or something? [23:05] KDE 4? [23:05] KDE4 is not in mainline yet [23:05] thats what i thought [23:05] macavity, you use fluxbox right? [23:05] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Connection timed out [23:05] I think I am going to blackbox [23:05] adrenaline: nope.. KDE [23:05] I can't wait to try it out though, I tried the 4.1.3 one with minors bugs, they are probably fixed by now. [23:05] isnt setting up stuff with no gui a bit challenging at first, like using an os ENTIRELY no gui? [23:06] I am using kde for now but I have been a long time user of gnome [23:06] how would you tab between working and irc [23:06] so it is really weird to me [23:06] adrenaline: my machine is plenty fast for KDE... and its a pleasent feature rich environment [23:06] ive been a fan of gnome [23:06] It is a little too overwhelming for me so far [23:06] I liked gnome way back - dropped it a couple of years ago [23:06] y [23:06] but I am getting used to it [23:06] why* [23:06] adrenaline: KDE? [23:06] ya [23:06] gnome takes features OUT all the time.. KDE adds them :P [23:07] o [23:07] but the bouncy icon is the most attractive :P [23:07] i'm a poweruser.. i want featuers.. lots of them [23:07] I always find cool stuff in KDE then take an hour to find it again lol [23:08] adrenaline: Alt+F2 -> type name [23:08] lol [23:08] cool see If I use it more the more I might like it [23:08] anyone use gentoo? [23:08] holy grave...Microsoft is saying they might reduce their prices because they are too afraid of the competition with Linux :) [23:08] sabayon is gentoo based and i like it better than gentoo :P [23:08] sweet limac [23:09] wat: gentoo philosophy and slackware philosophy do not go well hand in hand [23:09] o [23:09] but, I'll never lay hands on Winblows again :S [23:09] why [23:09] i like windows [23:09] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.167.44) left irc: "leaving" [23:09] wat: there are *suprisingly* few "cross dressers" in here :P [23:09] o [23:09] macavity, that is probably true because I like slack a lot better than gentoo [23:09] why do you guys bash windows [23:09] because it is propietary [23:09] Action: adrenaline agrees with limac [23:10] i dont like gentoo [23:10] and the company that ships it is pure eveil [23:10] +1 for adrenaline :) [23:10] Gentoo is... so questionable. [23:10] i like pc gaming way better than console gaming [23:10] not to mention that it sucks for anything but gaming [23:10] for fps genre i realllly like mouse/keyboard [23:10] wat: because ms says it's the best, but doesn't deliver [23:10] true macavity :S [23:10] ding ding [23:10] and it's technically trash [23:10] its good for gaming [23:10] wat: well, for programming and development, linux is heaven! [23:10] I like gentoo but you fight everything I don't always have the time [23:10] and i am a pc gamer >_< [23:10] wat, I used to be a hardcore UT player - works fine in linux [23:10] but that is because the games dont get portet to GNU/Linux... not because Windows is somehow magically better at gaming [23:10] I like stable operating systems. [23:10] booting a new os when i want to play a game [23:10] UT + TeamSpeak [23:10] So, you know, I avoid gentoo. And windows. :-P [23:11] i have never had windows crash on me [23:11] nice mooglenorph [23:11] avoid linuxpackages.net and bluewhite64 too [23:11] why [23:11] lol, true. [23:11] slackbuilds for the win. [23:11] gentoo portage is so slow >_> [23:11] wat: do what my other gaming buddy does: install windows and strip it of *everything* that is not gaming related (eg, print services etc)... then dual boot when you need to game [23:11] wat: neither have I, but that's because it's still on it's oem cd and not on my laptop/desktop [23:11] linuxpackages.net has almost no quality control. [23:11] linuxpackages.not is on crack... [23:12] I use linux exclusively for 10 years and I took a javascript class the other day adn it was taught on an xp machine and my machine crashed 3 times during the class [23:12] but yeah gentoo portage is like "hey man this will take 12 hours to install lmao" [23:12] I had to hard reboot three times during class [23:12] "it should take 1 hour but still lol"! [23:12] if you recompiled portage it would be faster [23:12] lmao adrenaline [23:13] Didn't seem too stable to me [23:13] so many packages O_O [23:13] i am proud to say that i dont run any propietary software at all [23:13] macavity: nvidia driver? [23:13] macavity, I would like to say that but I have a I-phone [23:13] macavity: proprietary or closed sourced? [23:13] adrenaline: this entire classroom nees a reboot: http://brandybuck.site40.net/pics/win_bsod.jpg ;) [23:13] i have an iphone adrenaline [23:13] s/nees/needs [23:13] wat: UNIX philosophy: each program should do just one thing... and do that thing well! [23:13] 2.2 jailbroken =D [23:13] spook: no way [23:13] reminds me of those airport monitors showing flight times [23:13] alisonken1home: thats usually the same [23:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "cya" [23:14] I haven't jail borked mine yet because it is a work issue [23:14] macavity: or do many things...and do 'em all well. [23:14] y [23:14] alisonken1home: in fact, i cant come up a propietary app where the source is available... [23:14] and what the hell is a bsd! [23:14] not always - closed source means you can't even look at it, you can still see source in some proprietary apps, but can't do anything with it [23:14] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [23:14] Berkley Software Distribution [23:14] danc3, not sure what you sent me but it is black [23:14] wat: berkley software distribution. [23:14] o [23:15] bsd sounds really gay [23:15] just use linux [23:15] BSD, the closest thing you get to "original UNIX" [23:15] oops nevermind [23:15] it is good for networking OpenBSD. [23:15] very funny [23:15] wat: uhm.. technically that is "GNU/Linux" [23:15] macavity: Berkely Software Division [23:15] wat: and BSD is pronounced "Beastie" [23:15] old school [23:15] original open source [23:15] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.227.120) left irc: ":wq" [23:15] OpenBSD rocks.. period [23:15] o [23:16] macavity, I think slack is a lot like v5 unix [23:16] but it sucks dogs arse for a desktop [23:16] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleep" [23:16] for a server it is rock solid. [23:16] adrenaline: so is FreeBSD :P [23:16] what is the name classification for gnome/kde [23:16] its not window manager [23:16] is it? [23:17] wat: any luck with install yet? [23:17] desktop environments [23:17] de [23:17] thats what i was thinking macavity [23:17] they both ship a window manager [23:17] ya but it is driver deficiant tho [23:17] limac its installing the packages [23:17] cool [23:17] tons of packages O_O [23:17] adrenaline: it supports each and every peice of hardware in my laptop 100% [23:17] yup. should have selected custom install :S [23:18] my external hard drive fell off my desk yesterday and broke >_< [23:18] can someone assist with a find command? i have a nested mess of directories in /MESS and i want to find *.jpg and copy them into /IMAGES. What i have doen't work and outputs cp: omitting directory `/IMAGES/': find /MESS -iname '*.jpg' -exec cp /IMAGES/ '{}' \; [23:18] it had ALL MY WINDOWS DRIVERS ON IT [23:18] adrenaline: more than what can be said for linux... i have to boot with mad options to get it to not trip over the BIOS legacy calls for ATA [23:18] oh wait i use tinyxp [23:18] i dont need them lmao [23:18] nullboy, cp -a [23:18] hmmm [23:18] and your cp is the wrong way around [23:18] that makes it even worse [23:18] oh [23:18] wonder when PCs will support EFI. [23:18] nullboy, -exec cp /IMAGES/ '{}' \; [23:19] null -R [23:19] is worng [23:19] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [23:19] nullboy, -exec cp -a '{}' /IMAGES/ \; [23:19] doh [23:19] or -R [23:19] nullboy: find /MESS -name *.jpeg -print0 | xargs -0 cp /IMAGES/ [23:19] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [23:19] uhm, what dive said [23:20] nice lots of advice [23:20] thanks guys [23:20] \o/ [23:20] nullboy, /IMAGES in /? [23:20] yeah [23:20] :o [23:20] nullboy is still stuck in the DOS 2.0 mindset :P [23:20] still installing drivers O_O [23:20] packages* [23:21] SiegeX_iPh (n=SiegeX@32.158.172.77) left irc: Connection timed out [23:21] hey it works [23:21] eh [23:21] hello [23:21] Hedgehog is sleeping [23:21] wat: you are getting *everything* :P [23:21] im fine wit hthis [23:21] with this [23:21] i don't give a hoot where this /MESS ends up [23:21] hi fluxnuk3r [23:21] i know how to install slackware now O_O [23:21] anybody ever set up a boot loader on a USB drive? [23:21] dive: hey [23:21] doom 3 was made for linux? [23:22] fluxnuk3r: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/guide-installing-slack-12.0-to-a-usb-drive-566697/ [23:22] ... [23:22] fontconfig update [23:22] hmmm [23:22] fluxnuk3r, edited the green irssi theme a bit [23:22] dive: so the '{}' is the line that find found and that is passed to cp [23:22] gotta got to bed. Later folks. [23:22] nullboy, yes '{}' is the filename/s [23:22] I'm on my tablet PC project: BIOS can't boot from CD, has internal CF card hard drive, want to install boot loader on the internal CF to boot slackware from USB [23:22] fluxnuk3r: that covers the bootloader part too [23:22] how long should fontconfig update take? [23:23] fluxnuk3r: tried a pxeboot setup yet? [23:23] wat: the first time it takes a while [23:23] o ok [23:23] oh* [23:23] i shouldnt make a linux usb stick :P [23:23] I thought I had extlinux working, but when loading the kernel, it freezes at trying to find the root partition [23:23] lilo install automatically right? [23:23] why not grub! [23:23] does it locate the USB drives before or after looking for the root partition? [23:24] auto [23:24] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [23:24] dive: thanks again, it's working perfect [23:24] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:24] fluxnuk3r: you have the extlinux config in the root of the usb, you mounted the usb, then ran extlinux --update on the mounted usb partition? [23:24] um [23:24] np [23:24] if you want grub you have to install it by hand after the system is up and running [23:24] should i use the frame bugger console option that was first highlighted? [23:24] it is in /extra on the DVD [23:24] buffer* [23:24] if you like [23:24] nice typo wat :) [23:24] i go with 1024*786@256 [23:24] alisonken1home: not update, I reinstall it whenever I make changes. It is looking in /dev/sda where it should be, but it can't find it [23:24] 1024x768x256 frame buffer console [23:24] yeah [23:24] framebugger sounds right [23:24] that one correct? [23:25] IM DOING IT [23:25] um [23:25] framebugger lol [23:25] optinoal lilo append kernel parameters? [23:25] that's such a cool typo [23:25] wat: none [23:25] fluxnuk3r: but you're running it on a moutned partition, not /dev/sda, right? [23:25] ok [23:25] you guys are way more helpful then #gentoo when installing [23:25] gentoo is like LOL GB2UBUNTU [23:25] wat: maybe append "quiet" later.. but for a first boot you want to see what it is telling you [23:25] #gentoo* [23:25] ok macavity [23:25] alisonken1home: CF card is read as /dev/hda, internal "hard drive". Slackware is installed on USB drive, /dev/sda [23:26] lilodestination [23:26] wat: sometimes we are like that too [23:26] mbr correct? [23:26] want the CF card to point to the USB [23:26] MBR is right [23:26] hba (n=hba@189.188.152.73) left irc: "leaving" [23:26] it depends on the state of the moon [23:26] but you guys are actually *helpful* [23:26] fluxnuk3r: and extlinux is installed as the bootloader on the usb drive? [23:26] mouse configuration [23:26] default was imps2 [23:26] wat: we will charge you later :P [23:26] i should use imps2 rigfht? [23:26] imps2 suits most right [23:26] ok [23:26] will do =x [23:26] alisonken1home: no bootloader on the usb drive. bootloader is on the CF card [23:26] but its for the console mouse, so it probably doesnt matter [23:27] i will probably want a gui :P [23:27] console mouse is somewhat as usefull as tits on a fish [23:27] alisonken1home: can I pm a url? [23:27] gpm yes/no? [23:27] fluxnuk3r: sure [23:27] gpm is the console mouse :P [23:27] dude [23:27] yes [23:27] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:27] copy paste text in the console [23:27] i am doing this shit, bad idea? [23:27] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:28] you install... you rules... your problems :P [23:28] gpm is fine [23:28] s/you/your/ [23:28] so uh [23:28] would it be a bad idea? [23:28] no [23:28] ok [23:28] no [23:28] should i configure my network? [23:28] yes [23:28] im on a virtual machine [23:28] whats my hostname D: [23:29] something.wat-has-slackware.org [23:29] what [23:29] or what the heck ever you want :P [23:29] ???? [23:29] default is DarkStar. [23:29] mine is rouge.gnu-guardians.dk [23:29] ok [23:29] what is your computer called? [23:29] idk [23:29] popcornmachinefromhell? [23:29] can i just put wat.slackware.org? [23:29] wat: and don't leave it as DarkStar. people will kill you. [23:29] ok [23:29] why [23:29] ill put wat.slackware.org [23:30] wat: just the hostname part [23:30] wat.slackware.org? [23:30] wat: it will ask you the domain in a sec [23:30] CAN I USE THIS YES OR NO [23:30] so just "wat" [23:30] that's the host name [23:30] ok [23:30] um [23:30] domain name [23:30] wat.slackware.org? [23:30] no [23:30] without the wat. [23:30] slackware.org? [23:30] no [23:30] si [23:30] .local [23:30] :P [23:30] what do i put >_< [23:31] local.org [23:31] ok [23:31] thats a good one [23:31] thank you [23:31] lol [23:31] dhcp hostname [23:31] D: [23:31] none [23:31] leave it blank [23:31] hmm, what startup services ?_? [23:32] those are the things you leave alone for now [23:32] cups for sure :P [23:32] ok [23:32] and then you read about them in the slackbook [23:32] custom screen fonts/ [23:32] http://sweet.nodns4.us then http://slackbook.org after the first one sinks in. [23:32] cups, sshd, gpm maybe [23:32] the defaults works nicely [23:32] rworkman: :D [23:32] rworkman: you always have good ideas :) [23:32] and he can read them up later and learn how to tweak [23:32] Almost always. [23:33] custom fonts? [23:33] should i try them out? [23:33] does anyone? [23:33] nio [23:33] no [23:33] didn't think so. [23:33] lol [23:33] hmm [23:34] default window manager [23:34] fluxnuk3r: I did once. Shit was screwed up. [23:34] kde probably hehehehehehehe [23:34] none. [23:34] although i DO like fluxbox [23:34] Open question, prolly very out of the current subject: What distro would you use as a media server (probably mythtv) [23:34] ubunt [23:34] ubuntu [23:34] Action: rworkman goes back to doing something productive. Handholding someone through an *installation* is likely going to create an expectation of handholding later. [23:34] macavity [23:34] rworkman: LOL [23:34] lotec (n=lotec@adsl-163-16-138.pns.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:34] wat: Dude, you can do this yourself. [23:34] i know [23:34] wat: what? [23:35] rworkman: would you hold my hand please? :) [23:35] wat: Not trying to be an ass, but nothing you choose now is set in stone. [23:35] rworkman: takes a village to raise a Linux newbie. [23:35] Joker_-_: no, and not anything else either ;-) [23:35] exiting setup [23:35] see the links above and you can get all your answers. [23:35] rworkman: OH COME ON! [23:35] Action: macavity fetches popcorn [23:35] Action: lotec is in pensacola [23:36] anyway, distro for media server, ur opinion? [23:36] hey... its not every day i see someone have the nerves to come on to rworkman [23:36] rworkman: Thats not what you said yesterday! [23:36] im liking the bootloader! [23:36] fluxnuk3r: no, it doesn't. A linux newbie that isn't willing to figure out this sort of thing on his own (and IMHO, who doesn't have too much pride to even ask) doesn't need to be looking at Slackware. [23:36] lotec: you live in P'cola? [23:36] nope working [23:37] been here since last sunday [23:37] hmm [23:37] what to do now :P [23:37] rworkman: what's a the buzz about? [23:37] ahhh. P'cola is a nice place, visited there a few times [23:37] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] wat: reboot? [23:37] wat: my balls are lonley [23:37] rworkman: what happened to "the only dumb question is the one you don't ask."? [23:37] wat|slackware (n=root@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:37] wat [23:37] wat|slackware: dont IRC as root... [23:37] ok [23:38] wat with one more t makes twat. think bout it [23:38] wat|slackware (n=root@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:38] lol [23:38] fluxnuk3r: there are no dumb questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots. (shamelessly stolen from http://thinkgeek.com) [23:38] lol [23:38] also watt [23:38] very nice. [23:38] or watt, wich leads us to the real question, what distro should I use as a media server?& [23:38] low wattage [23:38] Joker_-_: Or WAT = What A Twat. [23:38] lol [23:38] Joker_-_: whichever one you wish :) [23:38] lol [23:38] joker_-_ try ubuntu lmao [23:38] Joker_-_, use one you know how to set up [23:39] twat: already been there, thx [23:39] Joker_-_: slackware. duh. [23:39] Nick change: wat -> twat [23:39] how can a movie promote a porn site and it's not real [23:39] dive: I think I can set up almost anything that is setup-able [23:39] twat: odds are that you will be back in ubuntu within the week :P [23:39] lotec: a porn site that doesnt exists? [23:39] someone needs to noobfarm this. [23:39] lotec: lets make it [23:39] twat: unless you start grokking some serious slackbook.org right now [23:39] vagtastic voyage [23:39] i shouldi put in my password, it says wat login: but when i put in my password it says login incorrect [23:39] lotec: LOL [23:40] twat: *slackbook.orgŲ [23:40] twat: *slackbook.org* [23:40] twat: are you kidding or what? [23:40] argh [23:40] no [23:40] im not [23:40] im just an idiot [23:40] it asks for login, you give it a password [23:40] Action: lotec is registering vagtastic voyage [23:40] joker_-_ i do that [23:40] LYNX FTW! [23:40] it then says password [23:40] twat: either be serious or just move along, seriously [23:40] im being serious [23:40] twat: What did you type in during setup? [23:41] i can only go root [23:41] I mean if you wanna joke thats all fine, but dont come here and asks help for stupidity [23:41] right [23:41] correct [23:41] No shit, Sherlock. [23:41] Joker_-_: slackware. duh. [23:41] guess why [23:41] wtf it says it is all ready taken [23:41] twat: the Noobuntu channel is over there -------------------------> [23:41] SLACKBOOK.ORG [23:41] lotec: OH SHIT, that sucks. [23:41] danc3 i dont use ubuntu [23:41] twat: go read the slackbook [23:41] i am [23:41] god damn superbad has it on a redirect to there site what kind of shit is that [23:41] twat: seriously, you *need* to immediately go to http://sweet.nodns4.us and then http://slackbook.org [23:41] twat: look up "adding users" [23:41] ok go read it and quit typing on IRC [23:41] twat: read more, type less. [23:42] http://slackware.com/config/users.php [23:42] lets be done with it now. [23:42] in two days, aud has gone down like 4 cents against usd [23:42] twat: you can't be reading much if you're blabbering away in this IRC channel [23:42] twat: my balls need a friend. are you busy>? [23:42] I agree with rworkman, either he takes a few step by himself or lets just ignore him [23:42] theres no point in helping someone at that level. Thats not knowledge, thats common sence [23:43] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:43] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [23:43] just ban him [23:43] Action: rworkman thinks there are actually people who would find themselves "stuck" on a stalled escalator and stand there waiting for help. [23:43] Joker_-_: There is a point in helping in, but we did. We pointed him to the slackbook and he needs to read it first if he can't get past this first part. [23:43] dive: What was that option to enter into xorg to use the ati driver? [23:43] Action: alisonken1home agrees with rworkman - since I have seen something similar in the past [23:43] agentc0re: yeah, well, lets not be anal, you know what I mean we both agree, lets be done whit it ;) [23:44] alisonken1home rworkman: sheeple [23:44] Driver "radeon" [23:44] rworkman: ive seen 400lbs "chicks" that would probably argue over that one ;-) [23:44] not people, sheeple [23:44] Joker_-_: I love you too huneybun :P [23:44] [in bed] [23:44] ;) [23:44] agentc0re: let's fsck [23:44] http://sweet.nodns4.us is good reading for everyone - we can all take a bit away from it. [23:44] SharkBait, you can use "radeon" or "ati" - not sure which is better [23:44] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] ati is a wrapper driver [23:45] rworkman: regarding stalled escalators, watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSIkjNaICsg [23:45] LOL [23:45] it will launce the appropriate one [23:45] Nick change: twat -> wat [23:45] Joker_-_: OOh Phase 0, reply my journal log wont you? [23:45] danc3: is that the man and woman where she asks for a phone? [23:46] and screapms "help!" ? [23:46] hehe, similar, but even better... [23:46] dive: Can that line be stuck anywhere or does it have a certain place in the xorg conf? [23:46] rworkman: ^^ [23:46] danc3: lol @ link [23:46] clearly windoze users [23:46] SharkBait: specific section, specific option [23:47] your example xorg.conf should guide you to where it should be [23:47] rworkman: this one has a repairman that's an idiot too [23:47] ted from scrubs is soooo funny [23:47] danc3: okay, I'll have to note it an check it out at work; dialup and youtube don't play nicely. [23:47] kk ;) [23:47] danc3: that clips is rad [23:47] hehe [23:47] straterra (n=straterr@brutalexistenceradio.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:48] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:48] I think the man/woman are Win-droids, and the repairman on the other escalator is a Noobuntu user. [23:48] HAHAH @ link. [23:48] alisonken1home: Ive read over all the quotes in the file and it doesnt really point me to where it needs to be [23:49] i swear if an escalator is ever broke i shall sit on it and scream help [23:49] lol [23:49] SharkBait, needs go in 'device' section [23:49] SharkBait, you should already have a Driver option there I think [23:50] wat2 (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [23:50] SharkBait, more like trollbait [23:50] did i do this rigiht? [23:50] right* [23:50] danc3: lol, I'd say the man is a mac fanboi, the women has an iphone and the repairman is probably a php coder [23:50] cool i did [23:50] if he downloaded the ATI drives, it should have configured everything for him. [23:50] Joker_-_: HAR! [23:50] ed the ATI drives, it should have configured everything for him. [23:50] 22:50 < danc3> Joker_-_: HAR!ed the ATI drives, it should have configured everything for him. [23:50] Last message repeated 1 time(s). [23:50] whoops [23:50] hemm [23:50] okay [23:50] :P [23:50] i have to replace this mouse its getting too old [23:51] wat2: its pronouced, amidoinitrite? [23:51] LOL [23:51] its had countless liquids spilled on it >_> [23:51] brb looking for new mouse [23:51] Eww [23:51] way too much information there [23:51] found one [23:51] joker not semen >_> [23:51] agentcore: I get errors when trying to install the percific driver for my card, [Error] Kernel Module : Failed to install compiled kernel module [23:51] lol [23:51] yeah, right, not what everyone tought, right [23:52] wat: aren't you supposed to be reading the Slackbook? [23:52] computer mice are not the same mice you would use in say, doing the "Armageddon" on yourself. [23:52] danc3 i was adding myself as a user [23:52] you know, they say masturbating gets us lazyer and therefore makes us stupider... it's kinda adding up... [23:52] wat, /topic then read [23:52] hey, interesting question. [23:53] $topic [23:53] Action: Joker_-_ fails [23:53] /topic [23:53] SharkBait: You see, about a year ago when i had an ATI card i would be in the same boat... but, i saved myself a lot of frustration and bought an nvidia one. [23:53] with medical science getting better and better, its possible to bring someone back to life longer and longer after they have 'died'. doesnt that really fuck up the idea of afterlife? [23:53] SharkBait: The driver you got was from the ATI site right? I'm guessing the most recent? What card do you have? [23:53] spook: I think you gotta be pretty mich fucked up to believe in afterlife [23:54] could be problem if you wanted to kill someone [23:54] agentc0re: yes, saphire radeon 4850 [23:54] ermm, sory about the swear [23:54] didnt meant to offend anyone [23:54] SharkBait: oh, fairly new then. you did try to run it in telinit 3 under root right? [23:54] please excuse my very bad manners [23:54] Joker_-_: i did. [23:55] good night folks [23:55] SharkBait, wait I thought you were going to use xorg driver... [23:55] nn [23:55] spook: well, we all make mistakes at some point... Whoc an say he never used windows. [23:55] quick question how do i tab out of irssi >___> [23:55] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...Reading Is Fundamental -> www.rif.org" [23:55] Joker_-_: i meant to offend people [23:55] spook: I did used windows... [23:56] use* [23:56] agentc0re: sure did [23:56] i use windows when i play games [23:56] dive: I cannot find the input for the driver in xorg.conf [23:56] "tab out of irssi" what a strange question [23:57] SharkBait, well if you are using a downloaded driver it won't be "radeon" anyway I think [23:57] what do you mean joker_-_ [23:57] If I were to reply to that question, wat, I think it'd be something like "index out of range" [23:57] dive: you are correct, it would be ati [23:58] SharkBait, I've only ever used the open source radeon driver [23:58] i guess the question would be "minimizing" irssi [23:58] so can't help much more [23:58] wouldn't you normally just screen it? [23:58] wat, how did you got in irssi in the first place [23:58] i typed irssi [23:58] ... [23:58] SharkBait: and you are sure that the driver you downloaded supports your card? I seem to remember how they started making two different drivers and one was for the hd cards i think. [23:58] screen [23:58] screen irssi [23:58] wat: /quit will get you out of it. [23:58] wat: you are at a point where explaining something is quite hard has you dont seem to have any background [23:58] rworkman, beat me to it ;P [23:59] dive: Yes, im using the HD driver ( im using HD output on my card ) [23:59] :) [23:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [23:59] wat: normally, you'd ctrl+a+d [23:59] dive: Could you point me in the direction of this driver? [23:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:59] but that would mean you are in a screen [23:59] omgwtfgtfobbq [23:59] wich you are probably not [23:59] nullboy: I wasn't talking to you. ;-) [23:59] i know [23:59] SharkBait, not sure I can help much with that.. [23:59] i had a misplaced mouse click [23:59] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "[BX] The name's X. BitchX." [00:00] --- Sat Jan 31 2009