[00:00] wow, 1,110 hits on the web. [00:00] wow, this is weird.. 1,110 hits, 1-10 hits on the first page and 10 pages worth of hits. [00:01] Action: agentc0re is seeing 10 everywhere! [00:01] 10....10.....10......10......10...... [00:01] my brain is so fried now.. [00:02] i can even remember simple stuff like where slackware stores the timezone S-| [00:02] but what the fuck.. i have been doing a hell of a job for three days in a row [00:02] macavity: in /etc somewhere :P [00:02] Action: macavity pads himself on the shoulder [00:03] btw, it appears the my particular laptop has such a bitchy bios that it is the only i945 that wont run with intel-2.8.0 and full DRI2/UXA on Pat's kernels [00:04] i am rather perplexed that even the i915 runs this damn smooth after rworkman's packages [00:05] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [00:05] ZMR (n=zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [00:08] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:09] hiptobecubic^ (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:12] agentc0re: you brew beer right? [00:12] Any dude who brews beer will really appreciate these kegs http://photos.surfline.com/albums/userpics/11560/DSC00690.JPG [00:12] what a nice stack. those are awesome kegs, for sure [00:13] antiwire: Yup. [00:13] Action: agentc0re droolss [00:13] /clear [00:13] must hid from wife! [00:13] s/hid/hide [00:14] I'd definitely tap those kegs [00:14] antiwire++ [00:14] how in the hell did you come across that? [00:14] lol [00:14] http://photos.surfline.com/ [00:15] wasn't sure if it was a google search or not. [00:15] that's freaking awesome [00:16] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:16] looks like those kegs have been tapped a few times already... ;) [00:17] Mane xfce (sp?) is awesome [00:17] danc3: it's ok, they clean up nicely [00:17] heh [00:17] antiwire, i can't find the kegs! [00:18] but i do see the jugs... [00:18] the plastic jugs? [00:18] OL [00:18] *LOL [00:19] danc3: plastic doesn't break as easy and doesn't show aging effects as bad. :P [00:19] agreed! [00:19] sometimes I like to think of myself as a purist, that's all... ;) [00:19] xfce users: do you keep most kde apps around? [00:20] by GF was looking over my shoulder as i mumbled "beer kegs?!? why do tey keep going on about beer kegs?!?" :P [00:20] Orion: hell no. Only kde app I use is k3b [00:20] and yes.. she things those are nice kegs too :P [00:20] lol [00:20] what does she think of the plastic jugs? [00:20] danc3: Okay, what do you use for basic apps like calc, etc [00:20] Orion: galculator [00:21] it's available from slackbuilds.org [00:21] Orion, bc [00:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] edman007: hehe [00:22] Action: edman007 is not lying [00:22] ok ok [00:22] that's hardcore [00:22] i use bc for all my simple calc needs [00:22] googles when there are units that need converting [00:22] I always have to re-learn how to use it [00:22] danc3: thanks for the advice. I'm going to uninstall kde* then. [00:22] Is there a way to tell HAL what refresh rate you want? with a policy file or something? It is detected 60hz, (which used to work fine i think) but the display is all crazy if i don't set it to 75 [00:23] danc3: what about apps like Amarok, etc... [00:23] hiptobecubic, i'm still waiting for that beer... [00:23] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) joined ##slackware. [00:23] Orion: is amarok a music player? [00:23] danc3: yes sir [00:24] I use audacious [00:24] Which beer is this? [00:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-111-170.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:24] danc3: I'm guessing I just need to spend some time on slackbuilds and find what I need [00:24] hiptobecubic: do you have an Nvidia video card? [00:24] Orion: yepper [00:24] antiwire: this is still one of my fav's though, http://cdn.10dailythings.com/images/linuxBody.jpg [00:24] danc3: Thx buddy, your always a great help [00:24] utterjooice? [00:24] danc3, yes. [00:24] oh yeah [00:24] danc3, wait sorry no. not on this box [00:25] demoncyber_ (n=demoncyb@155.86.215.200.res.nat.netvision.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [00:25] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [00:25] hiptobecubic: ok... there's a way to save settings to ~/.nvidia-settings-rc for Nvidia cards [00:25] that gets read every time you start X [00:25] antiwire: wish i could have seen that in person. [00:25] Oh is there? that's good to know, thanks [00:26] danc3, if i can just get hal to recognize my card and load nvidia driver instead of nv then i can do completely without xorg.conf [00:26] hiptobecubic: run "nvidia-settings" from command line and after setting things up there's a save function [00:26] the computer I'm using right now has no xorg.conf, it does everything right except the refresh rate [00:26] hiptobecubic: not sure about that, dunno [00:27] yeah, if it has an Nvidia card you can just use the Nvidia driver install/script from the Nvidia website [00:27] works great [00:27] Urchlay (n=urchlay@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:28] yes the nvidia linux drivers always work flawlessly for me [00:28] just sh Nvidia..... [00:28] as root, of course [00:29] Orion: there is not root... [00:29] s/not/no [00:29] Action: agentc0re screwed that one up [00:29] /fail [00:31] huh? [00:32] danc3: was trying to incorporate a matrix saying by "There is no root" but i screwed it up. hence the fail... now a super fail because i have to explain the fail. [00:32] lol, ok [00:33] /fail --double [00:33] epic fail. [00:33] agentc0re: lol, you fail miserably. :P [00:33] fail++ [00:33] i fail at failing :P [00:33] agentc0re: yup, you can't even fail right. :P [00:33] is a failburger with double cheese! [00:34] ummm cheese. [00:34] FAILcheese! [00:34] I had a triple-decker grilled cheese about a week ago. :) [00:34] failburger with failcheese in your failface :P [00:34] i am tired, you can tell right? [00:35] macavity: yup, especially with that last line. :P [00:35] macavity: make me a lolcatz for that. [00:35] macavity: gotta find a fail kitty picture though. [00:36] hello failed kitty [00:36] Ooh, my IPA has calmed down quite a bit. It's really good now. [00:36] agentc0re: that fail doesn't even deserve a lolcatz it was so bad. :) [00:37] fire|bird: Sad... :( [00:37] very sad. [00:37] Action: BP{k} hears the mentioning of beer. [00:38] darchstar (n=darchsta@65.25.12.68) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Anybody know what just 2 beeps means on a laptop? I hit the power button and shortly thereafter I get 2 beeps. :/ [00:39] fire|bird: i dunno why but that reminded me of this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f67_og3v_Ow [00:39] hey guys, does anyone know where i could find a slackbuild for the broadcom-sta driver? [00:39] BP{k}: When it comes to beer, you have VERY sensitive hearing. :P [00:40] agentc0re: OH MY GOSH, what kind of crap is that. :P [00:40] fire|bird: LOL [00:41] fire|bird: depends on the manufacturer of the BIOS [00:41] fire|bird: Or this one.. it's even worse.. but it makes me laugh. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HQIcdGg63I [00:41] quasar: Phoenix [00:42] "Stop my breathing and slit my throat! I must be EMO..." hahaha [00:42] Any combo of beeps after two means that some of your memory is bad, and unless you want to get real technical, you should probably have the guys in the lab coats test the memory for you. Take it to the shop. [00:42] http://www.pchell.com/hardware/beepcodes.shtml [00:42] bbiab [00:42] quasar: k, thanks. [00:42] np [00:43] haha, pchell, that's what I'm in with this lappy right now. :P [00:43] agentc0re: http://cheezburger.com/view.aspx?ciid=4833859 [00:44] actually i think that one has the potential to become a classic :P [00:44] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:44] anyhow.. time to hit the bunk [00:44] cya for another round of gfx driver testing tommorow [00:45] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.95.214) joined ##slackware. [00:45] and dont forget lolcats: if it ain't funny - lolbuild it again! [00:45] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...ok.. i know.. my brain IS fried... FAILFRIED!" [00:46] LOL!!! [00:46] hahaha [00:46] that's freaking great! [00:46] you should noobfarm me with that link [00:46] .. wait [00:46] did i just say that? [00:46] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-98-134.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [00:46] beatzz (n=sheep@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:47] kejen_ (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-50-46.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:50] I've been digging all through hal trying to figure out what's wrong with my mouse.. turns out the manilla folder that i'm using for a mousepad doesn't work :D [00:50] go figure. [00:50] http://failblog.org/2009/07/27/pogo-stick-fail/ [00:51] i'm loling hard srsly [00:52] macavity.. http://learnix.net/2009/07/i-failed-at-failing/ [00:52] oh shit he left. [00:53] this is what it looks like in here when a new release happens http://failblog.org/2009/07/26/baboon-win/ [00:53] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-184.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [00:54] lol [00:54] darchstar (n=darchsta@65.25.12.68) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:54] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162013032.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [00:55] antiwire: have you seen donnie darko yet? [00:55] nope [00:55] I have Eastern Promises to watch tonight [00:55] i think you would really like that movie. [00:55] I'll rent it next [00:55] Hey guys. Is anyone having issues getting the propietary nvidia driver working with slackware-current? It installs but xorgsetup locks up [00:56] vald0r: don't use xorgsetup. use the nvidia configuration. [00:56] wretched (n=wretched@144-219.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:56] antiwire: it's a really cool "think out side of the box" movie. [00:57] steiger__ (n=psteiger@20150130216.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:57] I used nvidia-xconfig first. but starting X failed. Then i attempted to use xorgsetup and it also locked up. using the default vesa just says no screens found if i change it back [00:58] use nvidia-xconfig and then pastebin your xorg [00:58] also tried using my xorg.conf file from debian 5 which also didnt work [00:58] O_o [00:58] ok [00:59] morning [00:59] vald0r: Here is what I do whenever X and nvidia arn't getting along: rerun the nvidia install script. [00:59] also I didn't make any changes to anu configuration. I just did my usual slackpkg install-new to keep me current. then X failed [00:59] greetings dive, how are you? [00:59] vald0r: you need to start dbus and hal to get into xorg. do you do that? [00:59] I also did that. I even did a recompile of the latest kernel from slack-current from /usr/src and reinstalled the driver [00:59] fire|bird, hi not so bad, yourself? [01:00] kejen (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:00] Let me see [01:00] Action: dive has discovered at last what the compose key problem was [01:00] Sorry for late response, antiwire: Donnie Darko is a MUST SEE for everyon! [01:00] dive: doing great, thanks. [01:00] everyone* [01:00] pebkac [01:00] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [01:00] Orion, great film [01:01] Orion, and music - gary jules, mad world [01:01] dive: Aw I love that song [01:01] it's up there with the "Sunscreen Song" for me. [01:01] Orion, was it human league wrote it? I keep forgetting. [01:02] dive: go drink the coffee... i mentioned the movie :P [01:02] bah [01:02] ¹²³„ [01:03] dive: Yea I wasn't op but What song are you asking about? Sunscreen or Mad World. The orig mad world was written by Tears for Fears. [01:03] Orion, ah that was it [01:03] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) joined ##slackware. [01:03] ok guys I think I have it : http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=136028 [01:03] agentc0re, anyway 've got tea [01:03] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:04] vald0r: how old is your current install? [01:05] vald0r: I run 190.18 on the currently available current tree and it's fine. [01:06] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:07] vald0r: The problem that pprkut posted there seemed to stem from pixman, which is noted in that forum post. [01:07] antiwire: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/dev/sda1 <---Is that right to make an image of hda1 and put it on sda1? [01:07] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:08] fire|bird: That will go straight to the new disk, yes [01:08] antiwire: ok, thank you. [01:08] you won't end up with an image file that way, you'll get a ready to go disk [01:08] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [01:09] keep in mind that depending on the system that you move that new disk to, you might need to use a bootdisk to boot the system, mount / and fix fstab and lilo [01:09] antiwire: Is there a way to make an image file instead with that? Thanks for mentioning that, I have other stuff on the external drive, I don't want it wiped out. It's possible to keep that data in tact? [01:09] fire|bird, made a couple of changes to electron ad uploaded V 1.1 [01:09] dive: ok, I'll check it out in a bit. [01:10] _ohm (n=research@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] fire|bird: create a filesystem on /dev/sda1 and mount it somewhere then: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/path/to/mounted/disk/imagefilename.bin [01:10] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-238-54.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [01:10] antiwire: alright, thanks. [01:10] antiwire: might have given this to you before... but.. here it is anyways... i think you'll get it ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPyuZ6ZTqmo&feature=rec-HM-r2 [01:11] fire|bird: so if you mounted /dev/sda1 to /BACKUP it would be: dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/BACKUP/IMAGE.bin [01:11] antiwire you've got it goin on... [01:11] lol [01:11] antiwire: ok, thanks. [01:12] fire|bird: actually no! [01:12] oh crap [01:13] you want a full disk backup [01:13] antiwire it doesn't mean i want to bumb you... [01:13] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:13] lol [01:13] antiwire: eh, it just crashed again anyway. :P [01:13] dd if=/dev/hda of=/BACKUP/IMAGE.bin [01:13] <_ohm> if i build an initramfs into the kernel, is it possible to recover the initramfs in anyway? patch or whatever? [01:13] strip the partition # from the source arg [01:13] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:13] that will get a full disk image [01:13] antiwire: ok, I'll do that if I ever get it working. thank you. [01:13] np [01:13] I just laid there and spooned you... antiwire you got it goin on. [01:14] <|alisonken1churc> +_ohm: initramfs is just a means of getting drivers/initializing software/scripts before loading from the disk [01:14] I did confirm with someone however that that fan that quits completely for me should for sure be running, quietly, but running none the less, so either fan or mobo. :/ [01:15] I'm hoping for just a fan, but I fear it's more than that. [01:15] antiwire: Which USB adapter with the sata, 3.5, 2.5 etc. do you have? [01:15] <_ohm> |alisonken1churc, i know but you can also run commands from it if you put busybox on it, that is what im doing. can i prevent people from accessing it? [01:15] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] wretched (n=wretched@144-219.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [01:16] some iogear thing i think [01:16] let me check [01:17] idotconnect 3in1 drive adaptor [01:17] ok, thanks. [01:17] came with a power supply for 3.5" disks too [01:17] it's nice [01:19] agentc0re: "how could it be gay if you're pretending that their a woman?" [01:19] lmao [01:19] bruc3 (n=FullT@201.59.24.206) joined ##slackware. [01:19] they're* [01:20] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [01:20] someone who has already sent email by perl can help me? example: perl email.pl cleint.txt email@email.com corpo.html [01:20] Thats what i said! [01:20] ;) [01:21] bruc3: showing us what is actually inside of email.pl might help [01:21] ok. one time [01:22] Action: agentc0re wonders how long a time is.. [01:22] ;) [01:22] antiwire: heh, I found one like that on newegg, only different brand and mixed reviews. :P [01:22] eevul online translations! [01:22] antiwire , http://pastebin.com/m53d9aed3 [01:22] fire|bird: link? [01:22] The one I have is solid [01:22] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812816014 [01:23] I'll check ebay as well. I think one of those would be great to have. [01:23] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) joined ##slackware. [01:23] How would one of you go about assembling a slackware12.2 chroot in a slackware64-current system? [01:23] hahaha, $9.50 and free shipping on ebay. :D [01:23] fire|bird: "Cons: Its cheap. if you want something that will last past 5 uses please invest some money into a decent adapter. " [01:23] ... [01:24] would it be easiest to just loopback mount a file and install in that from the actual installer? [01:24] I've used mine a lot [01:24] antiwire ? [01:24] fire|bird: those own. [01:24] if only my brother would bring mine back -_- [01:24] antiwire: yeah, I know, I don't have much to spend though, so I look for cheaper deals. [01:25] antiwire , I have an email in html and body of the email to a mailing list of customers in this clientes.txt, except in the column, as I do? [01:25] and right now, one of those would REALLY come in handy. [01:26] fire|bird: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817388010 i have something like this at work. [01:26] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-19-127-229.umts.vodacom.co.za) joined ##slackware. [01:27] fire|bird: remind me tomorrow to find out the brand because i got it off new egg. it's really nice. [01:27] agentc0re: ok [01:27] So, no advice huh? [01:27] antiwire , you can me help? [01:27] ok then. suppose you had slackware64... but you wanted to run some 32-bit stuff that depends on various 32-bit libs. What would you do? [01:27] agentc0re: http://tinyurl.com/kjej85 :D [01:27] bruc3: I can't [01:28] I thought I might be able to but clearly I'm in over my head at this point. [01:28] fire|bird: A friend has an adapter like that and sometimes the HD just doesn't fit right with them. [01:28] tanks [01:28] agentc0re: yeah, I have one of those enclosures, only it's for 3.5 and sata. [01:30] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: "Leaving" [01:31] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [01:31] superGear: How can agentc0re help you? :) [01:32] darchstar (n=ameer@cpe-65-25-12-68.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:32] he can give me $$$ [01:33] hey guys, for some reason slackpkg isnt working. i have ONE mirror uncommented yet it doesnt want to update. can someone plz help [01:33] remove the initial space [01:33] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) left ##slackware. [01:33] " htttp" to "http" [01:33] wow [01:33] thanks [01:33] its also a spamming script.... [01:33] current? [01:33] didnt think that space was much of a factor [01:34] what's a spamming script? [01:34] sonofa! fire|bird you can't tell everyone that. [01:34] has anyone managed to a taskar/window icon to work with urxvt? [01:35] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [01:35] init[1], How may agentc0re help you today? [01:35] o_O [01:35] init[1]: agentc0re's giving away money. :D [01:36] wow [01:36] seriously [01:36] Action: agentc0re runs [01:36] oh dood man bro [01:36] and other things [01:36] can you get me some books [01:36] /run --hills --with-eyes [01:36] arno__ (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:37] Action: fire|bird gets in his helicopter and tracks agentc0re [01:37] thermal imaging FTW [01:37] Action: agentc0re bathes in cold mud! [01:37] that conchords stuff is great [01:37] I leart from da moveez! [01:39] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] agentc0re: Nah, be like in that one movie (can't recall the name) where they spray themselves with a fire extinguisher. :P [01:40] antiwire: hehe, i love those guys. [01:40] antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY8jaGs7xJ0 [01:40] antiwire: FWIW their live stuff is much better than their show stuff. [01:40] Channel flood from agentc0re -- kicking [01:40] antiwire: so when you look it up, try and find their live stuff first. [01:40] wow, that was a nice timeout... [01:40] agentc0re kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [01:40] hey i was trying to make exo-notify,with slacbuilds for the xfce notification daemon dependency,thing is i get following error " cannot stat /tmp/SBo/exo-0.3.4/exo-mount-notify/exo-mount-notify-0.3 ",its acting strange,exo-notify compiles well without the slackbuilds [01:40] do lol [01:40] hahahah [01:40] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-122-77.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:40] lol [01:40] wtf.. [01:40] wb agentc0re :) [01:40] how did i flood? [01:40] wb agentc0re [01:40] that was awesome [01:40] agentc0re: 5 lines in a row. [01:40] really? [01:40] saxa (n=sasa@host242-95-static.223-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [01:40] how? [01:40] aaa . [01:40] agentc0re: encore, encore. :D [01:41] my internet just timed out. [01:41] don't try that trick [01:41] you flooded and somehow managed to still get in the last line: (2009-07-29 22:40:45) agentc0re: wow, that was a nice timeout... [01:41] (2009-07-29 22:40:45) agentc0re left the room (Kicked by slackboy (flood)). [01:41] probably had something to do with it. [01:41] haha [01:41] saxa, Welcome to ##slackware, how may fire|bird help you? [01:42] Action: init[1] listing to Mandy moore only hope [01:42] antiwire: just in case you didn't get this link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pY8jaGs7xJ0 [01:42] stupid time out. [01:42] i need to figure out why thats happening. [01:42] init[1]: seriously? you like that crap? :P [01:42] ever since i got this internet from qwest, it started happening. [01:42] superGear: thx, not needed help for now [01:42] yea , if even liked that movie A walk to remember [01:42] soo lovely [01:43] bbiab [01:43] If I send email to perl, using a script, I have to do the mail server anyway? [01:43] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:43] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:45] good lord, just timed out again.. [01:45] I just installed my first package! [01:45] darchstar (n=ameer@cpe-65-25-12-68.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:46] maybe there is just too many http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Wl_uQOABxg on the dance floor.. [01:46] Action: Chakravanti grins inanely with mock pride [01:46] yo Chakravanti [01:46] hi [01:46] Chakravanti: \0/ [01:46] okay [01:46] so, in ubuntu, i used to compile from source a lot [01:47] like, the latest wesnoth is 1.6.1 in slackbuilds [01:47] being lude, with the food, in the nude [01:47] so i figure, I'll just compile 1.6.4 from source [01:47] antiwire: heheh [01:47] is there anything particular i should be aware of? [01:48] adeodatus (n=RF@92.82.95.214) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:48] antiwire: if i kept giving links, i'd post all the good ones.. which is all of them.. it just never ends. [01:48] You hurt our feelings when you say we're not rappers! [01:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lg51dzWHJE [01:50] tije (n=tije@189.175.114.241) joined ##slackware. [01:50] CmdLnKid (n=clk@unaffiliated/jth) left irc: "Command not found." [01:50] what is with all this translation business [01:51] i didn't see the in ubuntu [01:51] or maybe i just did pay attention [01:51] Chakravanti: EH? [01:51] it's makign and saying a lot of it is untranslated [01:52] nothing, im jus trippin [01:52] antiwire: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbbxA8a_M_s Back in New Zealand where we invented rap.. [01:52] is there any proggie to make byte-by-byte comparison of binary files? [01:52] diff [01:53] mancha: what the difference between diff and cmp then? [01:54] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:54] john_dee: did you read the manpages? [01:54] diff - compare files line by line && cmp - compare two files byte by byte [01:54] i meant cmp [01:55] noisesinmyhead (i=hadriel@forkbomb.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:57] antiwire: i guess i was reading the wrong man. tnx [01:57] Chakravanti, you made your first package from a slackbuild? [01:57] have any one compiled notification-daemon (xfce) for current ? [01:58] dive: that repos problem was solved, and i got my time stamp back [01:58] init[1], great [01:58] dive: its with chaning the then entire time stamp to todays date with touch , and using rsync [01:59] rsync will by it self correct the time stamp [01:59] init[1], right, I thought that would be the best way [01:59] dive: alright, update theme is set. :) [01:59] fire|bird, ok [02:00] fire|bird, not a lot of differences: changed icon for netsplit and day changed icon now works in urxvt [02:01] dive: ok, cool. :) [02:01] saxa (n=sasa@host242-95-static.223-217-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [02:02] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:02] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:04] dive: one thing I notice, for example, _marc and Emeau just quit, and those lines wrap down to the next line, it looks somewhat odd for some of them. Again, just my opinion. :) [02:04] mgs`` (n=mgs@testa.saura.us) joined ##slackware. [02:05] fire|bird, I know, but don't really know what to do about long lines. You could try turning indent off and see if you prefer that. [02:05] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:05] Emeau (n=Emeau@90.46.248.180) joined ##slackware. [02:05] dive: yeah, was going to try that and see what that does with those lines. :) [02:05] fire|bird, I usually set my indent to 22 for these themes [02:05] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:06] dive: Hmm, my indent was 10 [02:06] 22 will make the text all line up [02:06] or should.. [02:07] ok [02:07] the 2 games that i like them are from civilization and city simulation, i enjoyed both :D [02:07] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:07] phroggy (n=phroggy@71-222-125-65.ptld.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] phroggy: I saw that link you posted to your cgi-ified mayhem applet. [02:09] you crazy bastard [02:09] Ficthe (n=kh@unaffiliated/ficthe) joined ##slackware. [02:09] heh [02:09] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:10] I'm trying to be careful about who I send that to. [02:10] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) left irc: [02:10] yep [02:10] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:11] hi. I'm just going to get Flash -- I'm new to all of this, can someone tell me how people generally deal with this? Adobe provides the binaries, I assume? What if updates are released in the future? How's that dealt with? [02:11] Ficthe: slackbuilds.org [02:11] ok, but just out of curiosity, how would one do it without using slackbuilds? [02:11] you'd package it yourself then [02:12] slackbuilds.org doesn't perform voodoo or something [02:12] I was hoping you'd comment on the binaries, just in general [02:12] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:12] or you can just run the bin. If you do it that way you get to figure out how you want to track the software installed on your system then [02:13] like making list yourself [02:13] how they're released, and how users are expected to deal with updates [02:13] ahh, okay [02:13] quasar (n=nothing@wsip-70-183-55-207.ok.ok.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] antiwire: someone said they thought BIND on Slackware wasn't vulnerable with the default config, so therefore there was no rush to get out a patch. I decided I needed to make it painfully obvious how wrong that was. [02:13] phroggy: pm ok? [02:14] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-203.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:14] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-134-63.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [02:14] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:16] decke (n=decke@elton.itac.at) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Emeau (n=Emeau@90.46.248.180) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "testing the notification daemon" [02:19] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [02:21] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:21] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [02:21] mgs` (n=mgs@unaffiliated/mgs/x-0000001) left irc: Success [02:21] pcm_ (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [02:22] pcm_ (n=peter@basictracks.demon.nl) left ##slackware. [02:23] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:24] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:25] can someone help me with find real quick? When i run `find . -name ".svn" -o -name "*~" -o name "*foo.sh*"` I get the appropriate matches. When i add an exec on the end... `find . -name ".svn" -o -name "*~" -o name "*foo.sh*" -exec echo {} \;` it finds nothing and give no errors. [02:27] hiptobecubic, find . -name "*.svn" perhaps? [02:27] Just figured it out. The exec only applies to the last match so you have to group all of the match rules in parens [02:28] strange [02:28] but I still think you need * [02:28] dive, i think it's so you can do many different tasks and only traverse the filesystem once [02:28] hiptobecubic, well -o will only test if first expression is false [02:28] dive, it's finding all of the svn dirs without the * actually. I don't really get how -name works [02:29] hmm [02:29] -exec echo '{} \' [02:29] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:29] winterx, the slash is to escape the ; [02:29] -exec echo '{}' \ [02:30] anyway this works... find . \( -name .svn -o -name "*~" -o -name "foo.sh*" \) -exec echo '{}' \; [02:31] looks good to go [02:33] -name tells find that you're looking for a filename starting from the . directory. the -o is similar to "or" [02:33] just like -empty tells find to look for zero byte files [02:34] logical or [02:35] intranick (n=nick@71-10-90-163.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [02:35] alisonken1noc, it looks like name will exact match anything after the last '/' in the path [02:36] -name .svn find ./.svn ./foo/.svn ./foo/bar/.svn etc [02:36] finds* [02:36] alisonken1noc: I see you're working hard [02:37] alisonken1noc: i'm on vacation! :P [02:37] yay' i need sand [02:37] Dominian: just getting ready for work :) [02:37] a gallon should do. [02:37] alisonken1noc: hehe [02:37] Action: alisonken1noc needs coffee - making now [02:37] hiptobecubic got it? [02:37] Action: Quiznos follows alisonken1noc [02:38] mmm java juice [02:38] vitamin C++ [02:39] beta carotine; after a week of popping carrots in pill form, my sight is a abit better [02:39] just got the security mail about bind [02:39] and? [02:40] upgrade time [02:40] Dominian: if you're on vacation, what's keeping you up this late now? [02:40] eh.. bored [02:40] doing my "staff" thing [02:41] Quiznos, hmm? [02:41] hiptobecubic: in that case, you gave it a directory path, so every file that has that directory in it's path will show up (I believe) [02:41] Dominian: "staff" thing. on vacation. [02:41] sure you're not in a government job? [02:41] alisonken1noc: /whois dominian [02:41] -path [02:42] ah [02:47] Those that use screen I have a question. If I run a program that also uses CTRL+ to do functions how do I tell screen to pass the CTRL on to the application instead of screen taking the command? [02:48] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:48] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89A8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:49] greetings slackytude [02:49] morning people [02:49] slackytude, morning [02:50] y0 fire|bird. playing with your laptio till early in the morning? [02:50] y0 dive [02:50] all fine? [02:50] alisonken1noc, but it wasn't recursing INTO the .svn directory and showing all of those files [02:50] lf4, screen will only use ctrl-a by default. You have to make sure that your apps don't need that. [02:50] burbabro (n=steven@adsl-75-21-87-127.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] presumably because they do exactly match ".svn" [02:50] do not* [02:51] hip whatcha doin? [02:51] I'm freakin' out maaannn [02:51] slackytude: heh, yeah, fan or mobo, the one fan quits completely. [02:51] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162013032.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:51] hiptobecubic: sorry - your right. it's finding the directories that end in .svn [02:52] find . -name \*.svn [02:52] dive: It's minicom which also uses ctrl-a I'll figure it out :) [02:52] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-120-238-54.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:53] hiptobecubic whatcha doin? [02:53] antiwire why? [02:55] lf4: I though minicom used -a [02:55] sorry - -z (dyslexic again) [02:57] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.83.183) joined ##slackware. [02:57] alisonken1noc: no problem :) [02:59] hipto, you want to list all files in all .svn dirs? [03:01] phroggy (n=phroggy@71-222-125-65.ptld.qwest.net) left irc: "perl -e"push @x,ord()-32 for split'','Z=!;g&7?<:*5gI5:>oO&:;- c';split'','phroggy'x4;print chr^shift @_ for @x,109"" [03:01] The|Back| (n=backdoor@vc-41-19-127-229.umts.vodacom.co.za) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:02] does anyone know if rworkman has a slackbuild for openoffice for 13.0 somewhere? [03:03] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-121-206-140.revip2.asianet.co.th) joined ##slackware. [03:03] it's just a repackage [03:04] dive: alisonken1noc: after reading the man I figured out its the (meta) key thats the escape. [03:04] Giant81 (n=me@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] this works fine on Slackware current http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/office/openoffice.org/ [03:05] antiwire: yes i know, but for example theres an xfce bug in the sbo one that *should* be fixed in xfce 4.6, but god only knows if they rememberred to fix that 2.5 years later [03:05] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [03:05] _ohm (n=research@pool-71-99-30-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [03:05] check it and fix it yourself and build the package [03:05] s/xfce bug/ xfce bug mentioned in the script [03:05] ogonek (n=tail@213.172.178.210) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:06] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:06] sahko: it's just a repackage. find rworkman's script for 12.2 [03:06] this day sucks [03:06] antiwire: i am not stupid, you already said that [03:06] weather is sucky [03:06] coffee is sucky [03:07] sahko: Did i say you were stupid? [03:07] hell, I should have stayed in bed [03:07] no you just said the exact same thing twice. in a row [03:07] you kept going on about it and since you aren't stupid you know that you can just fix the SBo build script yourself or find rworkman's build script [03:09] ok , will do [03:10] fire|bird: so, it's you who woke me up so early?! grrrr! [03:10] (ok, it's 9am) [03:10] y0 Camarade_Tux [03:10] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:10] did you get my alarm call? [03:10] sahko, en package or other lang you want? [03:10] en [03:11] use slackubild then [03:11] heh [03:12] ... [03:12] powtrix: are you saying sahko is stupid? [03:13] burbabro (n=steven@adsl-75-21-87-127.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [03:13] sahko is? [03:13] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-134-63.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:13] he must have a pt_BR or something [03:13] lol [03:13] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:14] Camarade_Tux: :D, sorry. :P [03:14] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-4.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. [03:14] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-4.aei.ca) left irc: Client Quit [03:15] fire|bird: I'll kill you for that! :D [03:15] slackytude: I'll kill you too ;) [03:15] i'll drink your milkshake [03:15] ok, firefox closed again, I can resume gcc compilation in ram :D [03:15] Camarade_Tux: :( [03:15] BAM! fire|birds, sorry, you're dead [03:16] Camarade_Tux: but I'm a phoenix, I rise from the ashes. :) [03:16] i want one of these for my sink http://dornob.com/bizarre-bathroom-sink-fixtures-strange-or-sexy/ [03:16] NqqmNet (n=vanko@87.120.157.27) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:17] fire|bird: why do you have two nicks right now? :P [03:17] Camarade_Tux: I'm on irssi and Opera. :D [03:17] Action: Camarade_Tux shoots phoenix^ down [03:17] >< [03:17] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [03:18] Camarade_Tux: Have you ever read about a phoenix? You can't kill me. :P [03:18] bruc3 (n=FullT@201.59.24.206) left irc: "Nesse momento, 30.000.000 de pessoas estão dormindo, 20.000.000 comendo, 100.000 fazendo sexo e 1 ou 2 desocupados estão len" [03:18] I rise from the ashes and my tears heal my wounds. :) [03:18] Action: antiwire reloads [03:19] that's one persistent turkey [03:20] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [03:20] giant81_ (n=me@h69-129-137-126.69-129.unk.tds.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:20] phoenix^: ok, I'll torture you instead :) [03:20] Oh no, how can it be, look Camarade_Tux there's three of me. :D [03:21] \o/ [03:21] shotgun time! [03:21] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [03:21] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-17-241.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:21] Action: firebird619 surrounds Camarade_Tux, aim if you can, shoot when you will, but I am a bird you cannot kill. :D [03:21] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-112.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:21] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [03:22] morning all [03:22] morning a750mhzslinky [03:22] morning a750mhzslinky [03:22] fire|bird: no need to, you just fell into my trap :) [03:22] Camarade_Tux: I did no such thing. :D [03:23] Action: phoenix^ coughs a fireball onto Camarade_Tux's head. Oh look, a bald spot. [03:23] Action: Camarade_Tux cuts phoenix^'s tail [03:23] bah, you can't even cough fireballs [03:23] Camarade_Tux: you missed [03:23] Camarade_Tux: who says I can't? [03:23] you girls are having fun? [03:24] girl? who you callin a girl? [03:24] slackytude: no, having breakfast :D [03:24] Action: phoenix^ hits slackytude with a cannon ball. [03:25] antiwire, crazy stuff. not sure if I wanted to have something like that [03:25] Gosh, all these nicks, I hope I don't forget who I am. :) [03:25] phoenix^, :P [03:25] Action: Camarade_Tux ties all the phoenix/firebird to the wall, latersz :) [03:25] gasp, this even makes my remote irssi lag [03:25] Camarade_Tux: those were the decoys . [03:25] slackytude: the barefoot one [03:25] i don't like spikes [03:25] NO! "No space left on device" [03:26] Camarade_Tux: haha, I'z in your hard drivez takin your space. [03:26] bah, I was hoping tmpfs would be backed up by swap! :o [03:27] antiwire, lol, didnt even notice it the first time [03:27] haha [03:28] phoenix^: bah, fail, that's ram :) [03:28] I bet 90% of the guys who use that room give those things a good slap [03:28] Action: phoenix^ sets Camarade_Tux's ram ablaze. muahahahaha [03:29] antiwire: haha, probably. [03:29] hmmm, how can I make something that is *mostly* a ram disk: that uses ram first and then uses disk (swap) when there's no space left? [03:29] phoenix^: fail, you didn't notice it was *your* home [03:30] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:30] Camarade_Tux: nope, not my home, yours. :) [03:31] phoenix^: not really, it's so small that two people don't fit in, I couldn't fit three phoenix plus me and my dick -_- [03:31] :O [03:31] if I wasn't so big that wouldn't be the problem but ya know -_- [03:31] Action: phoenix^ flies the complete opposite way and watches Camarade_Tux's place go up in a poof of smoke. [03:33] phoenix^: too bad the firemen are 20 meters away from my home [03:33] Action: Camarade_Tux gets the water cannon, aim, and... [03:33] TAKE THAT! [03:34] The damage has been done. :) [03:34] and I'm long gone. [03:34] I'm over the Atlantic ocean headed for home already. :) [03:35] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [03:35] phoenix^: bah, I had a backup! [03:35] Camarade_Tux: of your house? [03:36] dd if=/home/tux/house_backup /dev/house bs=512 [03:36] see? :) [03:36] lol [03:36] you guys might want to pull the new bind packages [03:36] especially if you run bind [03:37] antiwire: I don't use it here, but already updated. [03:37] only boobuntards run bind -_- [03:37] (in the sense bind runs on their computer and they don't even know what bind is) [03:40] lol, http://imgur.com/M4UOq.jpg [03:41] This is..well...disheartening http://www.babypips.com/blogs/piponomics/a_penny_made_is_a_penny_loss.html [03:42] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.82.83.183) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:43] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [03:46] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [03:48] This is an interesting photo, ISS and the Sun: http://spaceweather.com/swpod2009/28jul09/Thierry-Legault1.jpg [03:49] phoenix^: lol :p [03:49] tije (n=tije@189.175.114.241) left irc: "leaving" [03:50] http://fenris.perldev.org/pics/compiling.jpg [03:51] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:51] oh noes! ISS crashes into sun! [03:52] haha, marriage invite: http://www.funnyzee.com/well-this-marriage-is-off-to-a-good-start/ [03:52] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-71-168-133-211.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:53] speaking of marriage, how is missyjane and that one dude [03:53] Didnt they marry yesterday [03:53] I though it was a pretty ceremony [03:53] lmao [03:53] she was here earlier iirc, not sure where he was, maybe a bar somewhere? :P [03:55] lol, http://www.cracked.com/funny-1214-username-translator/ [03:56] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [03:57] kejen_ (n=brian@c-67-184-251-148.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:58] lol :p [03:58] my ram wentz back! \o/ [03:59] hahahaha, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzc8vS-ac-g [03:59] guy's car gets impounded, $88 fine, he brings the $88 in pennies. [04:00] :) [04:00] thats the way to do it [04:00] its legal tender [04:00] when I get billed for something I tend to use that too [04:00] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:00] or wire an amount that is slightly higher, like 2 cents [04:03] y0 fredoslack [04:03] the girl there won't take it, so he called the cops 3 cops show up and help him out. :P [04:04] Hi slackytude :) [04:04] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:04] slackytude: sorry for you: "Today is National Existential Ennui Awareness Day." [04:04] y0 fredoslack [04:04] Hi phoenix^ :) [04:04] morning fredoslack [04:04] Camarade_Tux, why does that make you sorry for me? [04:04] Camarade_Tux, hi yes :) [04:04] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-12.dial.telus.net) left irc: "Wakka Wakka" [04:04] 10:04 AM ^^ [04:05] Action: slackytude nods [04:05] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-43-82-249-128-166.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Well, time to get going. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:05] only 7 hours to go [04:05] Action: slackytude cries [04:05] fredoslack: 03:04 here :D [04:05] ^^ [04:05] slackytude: cause I'm not getting annoyed at my job :) [04:05] i download ubuntu :p [04:05] ready the tasers! [04:05] Camarade_Tux, >-<; [04:05] fire! [04:06] lool [04:06] firebird619 (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I Go!"). [04:06] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:06] * fredoslack lying on the floor tzzz, tzzz, tzzzzz [04:06] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware. [04:06] Lol [04:06] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.249) joined ##slackware. [04:07] Camarade_Tux: nah, he's sitting in his chair saying "Dang, is it getting hot it here?" :P [04:07] leaving in a moment, laterz :) [04:07] <_RadioHead> morning [04:07] later guys. [04:07] Camarade_Tux, you go work? [04:07] see ya phoenix^ [04:07] phoenix^: hehe :P [04:07] phoenix^: night :) [04:07] slackytude: yeah [04:07] Hi and Bye _RadioHead, just leaving. :P [04:07] greetings _RadioHead [04:07] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [04:07] <_RadioHead> phoenix^: laterz :) [04:07] cya slackytude [04:07] Camarade_Tux, have fun. make me a hologram! [04:07] night Camarade_Tux [04:07] <_RadioHead> slackytude: dude greetings, sup there? [04:07] later _RadioHead [04:08] phoenix^ (n=firebird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("Here I go!"). [04:08] _RadioHead, its a sucky day at work >-<; . how about you? [04:08] err >_<; [04:08] bye, i install Ubuntu hi hi [04:08] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left ##slackware ("Quitte"). [04:08] slackytude: I've taken very high-resolution pics of your mom, can I use them for the hologram? [04:08] <_RadioHead> slackytude: bad day for me :) since yeesterday i was runing all the day out for my shity car :) and today i am feeling bad [04:08] Action: slackytude slaps Camarade_Tux [04:09] _RadioHead, sucks. maybe we should start a club [04:09] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [04:09] <_RadioHead> and someone touched my slack and i need to fix ls: memory exhausted [04:09] <_RadioHead> slackytude: agree [04:09] slackytude: nah, spank me instead :) [04:09] well, gotta go, bbl :) [04:10] <_RadioHead> laterx camara [04:13] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [04:18] <_RadioHead> hah wierd, i can`t see nothing on audio/ dir with dolphin but if i give absolut path example audio/foo/ i can see all things inside foo dir [04:29] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:29] decke (n=decke@elton.itac.at) left ##slackware. [04:34] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) joined ##slackware. [04:34] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:40] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.24.44) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:41] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.22.186) joined ##slackware. [04:42] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Ficthe (n=kh@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: "q" [04:45] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: "leaving" [04:48] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [04:51] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.77.189) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:51] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.161) joined ##slackware. [04:54] Zaba (n=zaba@ip102.148.adsl.wplus.ru) joined ##slackware. [04:54] only 6 hours to go [04:54] >_<; [04:55] I got 5 [04:55] gawd [04:56] boo [04:57] Action: slackytude waves at nix_chix0r [04:57] hi hi [04:59] ya [04:59] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.78) left irc: "leaving" [04:59] whadup [05:00] gotta work :( [05:00] and this day sucks [05:00] you? [05:01] winding down the day got home from the gym a bit ago [05:01] nice [05:01] how is your new job btw? [05:01] awesome getting a raise soon [05:01] great! ^-^ [05:02] our ceo has like 3 private planes and he asked me if i wanted to go with him to a hearing. and he would fly me to where he's going [05:02] that will be so cool get to see the final stage of social security [05:02] that and fly in his plane [05:02] that *does* sound cool [05:03] final stage of ss? [05:03] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:04] we rep our clients from the beginning till they get awarded and the final stage if they get denied a few times is a hearing hardly ever necessary to go any further [05:04] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [05:04] so sometimes he will fly to where the hearing takes place and pick the client up if need be [05:04] I see [05:05] he's also flown clients to the mayo clinic for cancer treatments at no cost to them [05:05] doesn't even have to do that [05:06] the flight is propably tax deductible if he does that [05:06] Action: slackytude is a cynic [05:06] JetA is cheap [05:06] oh im sure [05:07] Zaba_ (n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] at any rate i get to be out of work that day and get paid for it:)) [05:07] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [05:08] kinda just want to stand up in the court room and go i object:P [05:08] shik4nt4z4 (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) joined ##slackware. [05:09] Hello, slackers! [05:09] wang [05:10] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work [05:10] nix_chix0r: What?! [05:11] Reav__ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:12] oh nothin [05:14] i'm stuffed [05:15] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl9-250-240.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:15] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) joined ##slackware. [05:16] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@77.252.38.130) left irc: Client Quit [05:20] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-102.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:20] what is the preferred way to do bootsplash on slackware 12.2? [05:21] not doing it :D [05:21] nix_chix0r: you're stuffed with wang? o_O [05:21] no, seriously, i need it :) [05:21] LILO already does :p [05:21] bootsplash is an annoyance to set up [05:21] slava_dp: why do you need it? (serious question) [05:21] nix_chix0r: is your guy really that bad that you'd rather be here on IRC while he's doing his thing? [05:22] Camarade_Tux, so that the client who turns on our touch screen sees a pretty graphic with a company logo instead of kernel messages. [05:22] slava_dp: that's what I had guessed ;) [05:23] not wang. food [05:23] LSD`, we work 4pm -midnight and go to the gym after and i live 45minutes from work so i'm just starting to unwind [05:23] slava_dp: see the loglevel boot parameter: loglevel=3 should suppress most kernel messages (and if it doesn't, fix the ones remaining) [05:23] he's hackin the gibson on the other couch [05:24] slava_dp: you can also silence the boot scripts (I silenced them to point of having only "INIT version ...." [05:24] slava_dp: and last: you boot in X? [05:24] if so, you can remove the console display support ;) [05:24] Camarade_Tux, yes, i boot to X. [05:25] it will be a black screen but considering what you want, you can make everything boot within ten seconds [05:25] when I had fscked up my kernel, I would get a black screen, the only way to get a display was to login blindly and type startx :D [05:26] I advise against bootsplash because you have to patch the kernel, set several things and last it doesn't appear immediately anyway [05:26] Camarade_Tux, remove the console display support? you mean in the kernel? [05:26] so making your computer boot faster basically remove the need for bootsplash [05:26] slava_dp: yeah :D [05:27] hmm, you don't have to patch the kernel actually, but I don't like bootsplash setup anyway [05:29] Camarade_Tux, already back from work? [05:30] slava_dp, there is something on sbo [05:30] slackytude: no >< [05:30] ah, no, Im mistaken [05:30] :D [05:31] slava_dp, use splashy, they have a slackware package [05:33] slackytude, well i have splashy but really no idea how to approach it. the manuals suggest i should insert calls to splashy into the init files and also get it into the initrd(?) [05:33] so i'm a little confused. [05:34] slava_dp, the calls are for animated bootscreen [05:34] slava_dp, iff you just want to have a static image, you can skip that [05:34] slava_dp, and yeah it needs to be put into initrd [05:34] slava_dp, there is a nice howto on splashy site [05:35] aww, great. yep, a static image will do the job. [05:35] isn't slappy unmaintained now? [05:35] s/slappy/splashy/ ^^ [05:36] Punker (i=0@unaffiliated/punker) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:36] maybe, dont know, dont care, it works [05:38] what is the one with the kernel patches? [05:39] oh no, it is bootsplash that used kernel patches [05:40] (and is now superseeded by splash) [05:40] *splashy [05:41] v4nelle (n=van@78-63-121.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:42] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.249) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:44] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [05:50] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:51] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:02] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [06:08] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:12] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:14] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.253) joined ##slackware. [06:16] eh [06:17] next door to us something exploded [06:17] police and firefighter came [06:17] hmmm, uniforms [06:18] slackytude: what was it? [06:18] not sure. mainly doctors in that building. but also a kitchen. Im guessing the cook screwed up [06:20] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:20] maybe a meth lab [06:22] heh [06:23] greetings [06:24] The-Croupier, hi [06:25] hi The-Croupier [06:25] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:26] stitchman (n=stitch@pool-72-82-204-44.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [06:27] KidpunkX (n=kidpunkx@adsl-235-213-173.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [06:28] hows it going guys..? [06:28] ok, yourself? [06:28] sorry for not being around these days... lots of technical matters to attend... [06:29] dive, im happy when i have lots of jobs to do.. and these days im very very happy ;) [06:31] how about slackware... hows things going around that part of the world? [06:33] it keeps going on [06:33] some people been having graphics problems in -current [06:34] there's a post on LQ asking people on -current to test/report [06:36] that's pretty much it [06:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [06:38] let me guess with nvidia cards? [06:38] and intel I think [06:39] yeah...that happened to me at some point..but it just needs to reinstall [06:39] nvidia cards work afaik [06:39] sometimes it deleted the glx stuff as well..but after reconfigure..it was ok [06:39] actually they're probably the only one working ;) [06:39] Camarade_Tux, really?! mine didnt ..but it does now ;) [06:40] Camarade_Tux, no there are problems with nvidia driver too [06:40] but that's down to nvidia to fix [06:41] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89A8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:41] yeah, nvidia is the less likely to fail since they put their own version of several libs [06:45] The-Croupier (n=the-crou@petrostsi1.ath.forthnet.gr) left irc: "Java user signed off" [06:45] paissad_ (n=paissad@82.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:47] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:47] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:47] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:47] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [06:47] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:47] hello gentlemen [06:48] thrice` (i=thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [06:49] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [06:50] hi lady :) [06:51] heh [06:52] suvir (n=suvir@ppp-124-121-206-140.revip2.asianet.co.th) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:56] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [06:56] srecko (n=srecko@93-138-98-134.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [06:57] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl133-33.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [06:58] I can see and update for Bind here: ftp://ftp.slackware.com/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/patches/packages/bind-9.4.3_P3-i486-1_slack12.2.txt but not here: http://slackware.com/security/list.php?l=slackware-security&y=2009 I also didn't recieved an e-mail from the mailing list. I am a bit comfused. Hasn't the notice reached out the website and the list yet? [06:59] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [07:02] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-216-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [07:09] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [07:09] morning [07:11] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:11] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:12] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:15] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [07:16] yo,is there a way to change font size of the statically linked qt based softwares VirtualBox ,Hp Device Manager etc [07:18] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:19] my first guess would be qtconfig? [07:21] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:21] chb: wow .. worked out great [07:22] thank you :) [07:22] np :) [07:22] van_ (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:22] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:24] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:26] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:28] avidemux really ain't that great [07:30] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:32] 68C, my computer is pretty cool right now :) [07:35] van_ (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:39] v4nelle (n=van@78-63-121.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:44] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [07:49] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:50] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) joined ##slackware. [08:01] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:04] sinedrio (n=lastprid@bl5-137-75.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [08:05] moks107 (n=shim@217.17.255.52) joined ##slackware. [08:07] lieuwe (n=lieuwe@a62-251-101-217.adsl.xs4all.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:07] is it ok to ask a slax question here? or am i going to get flamed then... [08:10] well, not flamed, but you won't get help either [08:10] slackware has no relationship to slax, other than the fact that its based on it [08:11] crap, the slax channel is as good as dead :-S, bye then... [08:11] lieuwe (n=lieuwe@a62-251-101-217.adsl.xs4all.nl) left ##slackware ("gone"). [08:12] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:12] sinedrio (n=lastprid@bl5-137-75.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [08:16] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [08:21] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:21] hehe [08:22] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) joined ##slackware. [08:23] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.73) joined ##slackware. [08:27] <_RadioHead> tewmten: dude :) [08:28] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:28] hey =) [08:29] <_RadioHead> sup man , how things there? [08:29] im okay [08:29] working from home today [08:29] :) [08:31] <_RadioHead> bah i was in vacation almos 1 month , but today @work i have an wierd problem , someone touched my slacky :) [08:32] <_RadioHead> /bin/ls: cannot access /mnt/disk1part1/beta/Audio/SoundBlaster: No such file or directory [08:33] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [08:33] . [08:34] <_RadioHead> i can`t ls or see anything on folder Audio , if i give absolut path i can view and see things inside subfolders... [08:34] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl133-33.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [08:35] what are the priv's on "Audio" ? specifically, do you have +x [08:35] and +r ? [08:36] <_RadioHead> mancha: sure [08:36] scubacuda__ (n=rog@qity-cphi01.v02.tylrtx.sta.suddenlink.net) joined ##slackware. [08:36] _RadioHead: proper owner:group ? [08:36] <_RadioHead> and i am ls-ing as a root [08:36] oh :\ [08:37] ls -A [08:37] (maybe hidden folders/files?) [08:37] <_RadioHead> TwinReverb: no , if i give specific path i can enter and view. let me see if i can chmod [08:37] as root, you should be able to see everything [08:38] fsck most probably [08:38] <_RadioHead> TwinReverb: i know man [08:38] <_RadioHead> TwinReverb: slava_dp i am suspecting on linux software raid [08:39] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: TwinReverb root@Slackware-Box:/home/slack# ls /mnt/disk1part1/beta/Audio/ [08:39] <_RadioHead> ls: memory exhausted [08:39] damn [08:39] <_RadioHead> slava_dp: any idea? [08:40] <_RadioHead> it was ok,when i get back @work i noticed this error damn [08:40] wow memory exhausted, what are your system specs? [08:41] <_RadioHead> TwinReverb: cpu 3 ghz 2 gigs ram and 4 disks :) [08:41] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@118-168-236-21.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] you should never get "memory exhausted" seriously [08:41] uva (i=bno@118-168-236-151.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:41] <_RadioHead> but only this folder is i can`t view when i view other folders it is OK [08:42] _RadioHead, do an ls -1 > ls.out [08:42] is there some kind of weird file that is causing some kind of race? [08:42] see how big it gets till the error [08:42] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@76.67.113.108) joined ##slackware. [08:44] try ls -l on that specific folder [08:47] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.253) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:52] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[08:56] <_RadioHead> bah chmod freeze my box [08:56] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:57] _RadioHead, thats bad [08:57] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [08:57] <_RadioHead> slackytude: true [08:58] <_RadioHead> damn i have no idea what can be [08:58] <_RadioHead> file corruption :) [08:59] <_RadioHead> i am fsck-ing [08:59] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Anyone have any good suggestions for music players [09:00] Orion: kaffeine works for me. [09:00] hello everybody... last week I told you that I have problem with installation of slack by my own iso, generated by my personal mirror [09:00] now, I like to tell you how I do to "fix" it [09:00] :D [09:01] StevenR: thanks but I was hoping for somthing non kde. I'm use xfce [09:01] <_RadioHead> Orion: xmms , kaffeine , juk , audacious [09:01] Orion: songbird? [09:01] thanks! [09:02] first, I change all tree owner to root.root [09:02] Useful: http://wiki.xfce.org/recommendedapps [09:04] and than, I do the iso using root account, so I burn it and done [09:04] now, I'm using the slackware current [09:04] :D [09:05] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:06] <_RadioHead> slackytude: i need to --rebuild-tree to fix problem , it was file corruption [09:07] oi! [09:07] great fun [09:07] <_RadioHead> yah :) [09:08] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [09:08] <_RadioHead> and guess what :) 19266 src left [09:08] <_RadioHead> seconds* [09:08] Action: init[1] o/ hello slackers [09:08] well i have some idea with me .. can some on implement it using curl and ncurses [09:09] not sure if it already done by sm one , [09:10] the idea goes like this , we have a slacbuilds site , right,cant we make a local tool to search slacbuilds [09:12] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:14] any predictions on when to expect 13? [09:14] it's been some time since rc already [09:15] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:16] bbiab [09:16] hitest (n=George@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:18] expect greatness [09:18] BentoPUNK (n=BentoPUN@201.72.199.2) left irc: "Leaving" [09:19] init[1]: What for, you have a search on slackbuilds. [09:21] init[1]: are you thinking of something along the lines of slackpkg for slackbuilds.org? [09:21] cause that would be cool [09:22] john_dee: but X is causing troubles [09:22] Camarade_Tux: what kind? [09:22] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [09:23] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Orion: not a bit less. that i'm aware of :p [09:23] elderK (n=zk@222-152-88-2.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [09:23] so my laptop finally died (old one) [09:23] Yo, Slackers! [09:23] the power jack broke [09:24] (at least i think so ... will have to take it to work to test it) [09:24] Action: slackytude rolls a D20 [09:24] john_dee, 7 weeks [09:24] Anyone here able to point me to information on how to retrieve the CHS geometry of a disk drive (*ata, scsi)? Sure, I know I could use fdisk to grab that data, but, I was hoping someone could point me to information on how I can request that from the kernel, or, something. [09:25] Action: TwinReverb becomes a Beholder and eats slackytude [09:25] Action: elderK takes off his robe and wizard's hat. [09:25] :P [09:25] elderK, hdparm -iI /dev/whatever | less [09:27] slackytude: pretty much as i expected, but i hope i'm wrong. which rarely happens %) [09:27] ^^ Like I said, I'm looking for a solution that doesn't require a specific chunk of software. [09:27] tho [09:27] ie, direct request from the kernel or, whatever. [09:28] that's a direct request from the drive... [09:28] There we go :) See, learning already. [09:28] :) [09:28] what are you getting at? explain the situation please [09:28] Consider it curiosity at this time. [09:28] scubacuda (n=rog@qity-cphi01.v02.tylrtx.sta.suddenlink.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:29] The data that fdisk, hdparm, etc, gather (max sectors on the drive, chs values...), will have retrieved those from the kernel, which probably caches that data from the drive, which it probably gathers when it initializes those drives? [09:29] Curiosity killed the cat... [09:29] Generall,y I'm just questioning because I wish to kno wmore :) [09:29] and satisfaction brought it back ;) [09:30] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) left irc: ".." [09:32] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [09:32] Orion: shik4nt4z4 , i mean inorder to search we have to use a browser ,as we spend most of time on termianl.. we could use this tool .. [09:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [09:35] smthing like :-> srch-sb package-name [09:35] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:36] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [09:36] elderK, use the source, luke! [09:38] init[1] what would the search yield? just that it exists? then you would still need to open browser and download [09:38] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:38] init[1] i suppose you could provide the download link and wget it from term, but it seems roundabout [09:38] ilmenite (n=Jude@59.95.57.210) joined ##slackware. [09:38] can someone name me a audio equalizer?(for the whole system) [09:39] alsa mixer [09:39] Orion, that is a mixer.... it does not support bands [09:39] equaliser [09:39] http://linux.about.com/library/cmd/blcmdl4_sd.htm [09:39] :) [09:40] This answers my question nicely. [09:40] Orion: if we are sure about the package , we can proceed it with wget,and start the build [09:40] init[1] alot of the links on slackbuilds don't link directly to the files [09:41] they lead to sourceforge, etc [09:42] Matede (n=Alessand@189.99.95.146) joined ##slackware. [09:42] init[1] the source packages anyways [09:43] ilmenite: are you looking for something the garageband? [09:43] like garageband* [09:43] thats a package or what? [09:44] Its a apple product for bands, if you meant music bands. [09:45] I'm thinking I misunderstood you though. [09:45] no im looking for a system wide equaliser [09:46] ilmenite: Sorry for the confusion, maybe this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rteq [09:47] its no longer maintained [09:47] equaliser eh? Maybe a roll of quarters or a nice metal bat? [09:47] s/equaliser/equalizer [09:47] Orion: yea !! i didn't think about that [09:48] tedytuf (n=linux@201009140199.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:48] ilmenite (n=Jude@59.95.57.210) left ##slackware (""Ubuntu", an african word meaning, "Gentoo is too hard for me""). [09:49] tedytuf (n=linux@201009140199.user.veloxzone.com.br) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [09:50] ilmenite: humm this is a tricky one [09:50] ah dang already gone [09:51] Ubuntu", an ancient, african word meaning: "I CANT' CONFIGURE DEBIAN!!!!!!111" [09:52] heh [09:53] slackware ftw [09:53] using it atm [09:54] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [09:58] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-220-37-184.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [09:58] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.45) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:58] what group should I add myself to be able to shutdown, suspend, etc [09:58] ah nvm I'm tired I'll do it later, peace out guys [09:58] group: power [09:59] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:59] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:59] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@174-23-122-77.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:02] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@97-117-124-101.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:14] to log start it; error log; end it [10:14] Nick change: buffer -> init[1] [10:15] eventually with timestamp [10:19] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:20] NqqmNet-, I dont understand [10:20] NqqmNet-, log what, how? [10:21] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [10:22] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:22] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) joined ##slackware. [10:24] Nick change: hackeron_ -> hackeron [10:25] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:27] agentc0re1 (n=agentc0r@209-181-84-143.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:27] NqqmNet-: write the logging facility yourself. [10:28] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:323) left irc: "Leaving" [10:30] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:323) joined ##slackware. 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[10:57] <_RadioHead> slackytude: finaly fixed FS [11:00] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) left irc: "[BX] The Hobbits use BitchX. Shouldn't you?" [11:00] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:01] (/win 20 [11:01] bah. [11:02] i left a room in a huff, /bye, then i had to reconnect [11:02] very dramatic, not very efficient [11:02] lol [11:03] oh well [11:05] <_RadioHead> BP{k}: dude hi there :) [11:06] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-187-147.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Man, slackers, I've got a problem [11:07] me too.. it burns when I pee :( [11:07] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: No route to host [11:07] I can't find anything else to pimp out my slack system [11:07] _RadioHead: howdy :) [11:07] like, their so tricked out [11:07] what else can i do? [11:07] besides use them, stably for years [11:08] what do you mean by 'tricked out' ? [11:09] eye candy, cool apps. [11:09] for a moment I thought there was a real problem. [11:09] Action: BP{k} goes back to coffee. [11:10] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) joined ##slackware. [11:10] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89A8C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:11] BP{k}, are you like an old school linux admin thats all professionally dressed at some big corp? [11:11] since when is a linux admin professionally dressed? [11:11] what is there a weding or something [11:12] yeah, REAL admins run compiz [11:12] kinda hard to give suggestions without knowing what you're currently running... but I recomend postfix+dovecot+spamassassin+clamav+virtual users :) [11:12] stability is so 2008 [11:13] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:13] beatzz: No. [11:14] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.21.40) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:16] _alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:16] |alisonken1churc (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-226-61.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:20] I'm running Slackware 12.2 and find GCC 4.2.4 in my path. I need to use GCC 3.2.X. Is there an official (or unofficial) package somewhere for GCC 3.2.X? [11:22] will gcc 3.4.x work? [11:22] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-27-205.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:22] thrice`: I'm not sure but I'll try it [11:23] slipttees (n=flmkanfk@201009183030.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:23] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gcc34/ [11:23] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:24] slipttees (n=flmkanfk@201009183030.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [11:25] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [11:29] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:29] thrice`, whats this all about? [11:30] thrice`, new GCC version or something? [11:32] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:34] ahh nevermind, gotcha. [11:36] looks like an old one to me [11:36] (ps, scroll up 5 lines) [11:37] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. 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[11:50] other_rafa (i=rafa@shellium/member/rafa) left irc: "Leaving" [11:54] Emeau-cat__ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Quitte" [12:00] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:01] paissad_ (n=paissad@33.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Does anyone have invites on DEMONOID or BITME? Could exchange some [12:03] thrice`: apparently that still doesn't work. I'm getting a warning about needing libstdc++.so.5 and apparently GCC-3.4 uses libstdc++.so.6. Any advice? [12:04] winger (n=verso@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:05] Anyone using ipw2200 for their WiFi card? (http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net) [12:05] cant get mine working for some reason [12:05] winger, which slackware version? [12:05] paissad_ (n=paissad@33.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Client Quit [12:05] 12.2 [12:05] i did a full install [12:05] winger: isn't there a driver in the kernel now? [12:06] winger, it should be supported in the kernel now [12:06] iwl2200 I think [12:06] winger, I use it [12:06] dive: iwconfig gives me eth0 essid:off/any [12:06] but under KDE [12:06] it wont allow me to connect to the router [12:06] what does ifconfig say? [12:06] sitwon, no it's still called ipw2200 [12:06] paissad-server (n=paissad-@33.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [12:07] ifconfig gives me eth0 [12:07] did you modprobe it? [12:07] no [12:07] modprobe | grep eth0 ? [12:07] modprobe ipw2200 [12:07] then do that, modprobe ipw2200 [12:07] done [12:07] now what does iwconfig say? [12:07] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [12:07] same for eth0 [12:08] ? [12:08] i even copied the firmware files into /lib/firmware [12:08] unassociated ESSID: off/any [12:08] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:08] AP" Not-associated [12:08] eth0 shouldn't have any ESSID or any info in iwconfig [12:08] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:08] mancha: it doesn't [12:09] well which does then? [12:09] same for eth0 [12:09] none, it seems like i need to specify [12:09] and communicate better :) [12:09] i understand 45% of what you say [12:09] sorry, im a newb mancha [12:09] just installed [12:10] winger, mypastebin the output of ifconfig -a and iconfig please [12:10] oops [12:10] winger, http://pastebin.slackadelic.com the output of ifconfig -a and iconfig please [12:10] cant pastebin if theres no internet lol ? [12:10] hmm [12:10] hold on [12:11] what does ifconfig -a show [12:11] gonna copy it to a usb drive [12:11] does dmesg show nice things after the modprobe? [12:13] having similar problems myself here - USB wifi adapter not being fully recognised [12:13] what chipset blackbox? [12:14] it's a belkin =( [12:14] yeah, but what chipset [12:15] dmesg says "ipw2200: Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200/2915 Network Driver, 1.2.2kmprq [12:15] " [12:15] dive: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/hNRMCa42.html [12:15] Urgleflogue (n=plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] winger, need output from iwconfig too [12:16] dunno how to find out the chipset exactly [12:17] tell me the exact model and i'll see if i can dig it up [12:18] http://pastebin.ca/1512391 [12:18] winger, and also dmesg | tail would be good [12:18] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:19] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:19] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Client Quit [12:19] dive: iwconfig: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/LMECqi66.html [12:20] winger, have you set up /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ? [12:20] mancha, can't find the exact model as all I get is a "quick install guide" instead of a manual [12:21] dive: dmesg | tail : http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/vNBiaz43.html [12:21] no i havne't [12:22] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [12:22] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:23] winger, well have a look in there - your wifi interface s eth0 [12:23] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A73BAA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:23] winger, if you had just used the kernel version that came with 12.2 it would be wlan0 which makes more sense [12:24] i did.. i thought [12:24] but installing the driver/firmware from sourceforge has overwritten the kernel module [12:24] i didnt install [12:24] mancha, RT3070L ralink chipset, sure I've had that one working at some point in the past [12:24] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@173-18-58-139.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [12:25] i copied the firmware files into /lib/firmware... when i tried to install the driver just gave me a bunch of errors [12:25] Greetings everyone. :) [12:25] you asked if anyone was using ipw2200 from sourceforge?? [12:25] Nick change: fire|bird -> Guest90617 [12:25] yea, figuring that's what I had to do to get my card working. [12:25] winger, the firmware is a package that comes with 12.2 [12:25] winger, no [12:25] it isn;t [12:25] hedo all! Anybody been following the centos dealie? [12:25] Guest90617, hi [12:25] Nick change: Guest90617 -> fire|bird [12:26] fire|bird, hi² [12:26] lol, hey dive, how's it going? [12:26] not so bad, yourself? [12:26] doing well, thanks. [12:27] dive: under KWiFiManager, my network shows up, but won't allow me to click switch to network [12:27] winger, ok you need to edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 with the details of your AP etc. and then run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_restart [12:27] winger, tried wicd? [12:28] winger, erm edit /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [12:28] winger, sorry tab fail [12:28] winger - word to the wise - NEVER rely on a K-gui program when all you really need is a terminal and a bit of vi magic ;) [12:28] christian (i=590f9d33@gateway/web/freenode/x-kaoclfrpaumpnmui) joined ##slackware. [12:28] hello [12:29] eth0.. IPADDR[0] = "" <--ESSID? [12:29] winger, unless you only want to gui tools to connect, in which case I recomment wicd, not kwifi [12:29] id rather use the command line [12:30] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:30] under eth0, theres IPADDR, NETMASK, USE_DHCP, and DHCP_HOSTNAME [12:30] cuba33ci (n=cuba33ci@114-45-230-166.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:30] not exactly sure where the essid and key would go.. [12:30] winger, ok well you see all the section starting at IFNAME[4]? well that is whee you would usually type your wifi stuff [12:31] yes [12:31] Action: eviljames seconds using wicd [12:31] why you have eth0 is anyones guess [12:31] and wicd has a CLI/ncurses interface. [12:31] eviljames, since when? [12:32] for a while [12:32] great [12:32] slackytude: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=wicd+curses [12:32] :D [12:33] nice! [12:33] that really was missing [12:33] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:33] winger, try IFNAME[4]="eth0" and filling in the rest of that section. It _may_ work. [12:33] yes, but does it run linux? [12:34] eh, wrong channel [12:34] root (n=root@93.Red-81-33-188.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] anyone know anything about the RT3070L ralink chipset and setting up wireless, not sure if it is covered by the rt2x00 stuff? [12:34] s/stuff/module/ [12:34] Hi there. Could you please tell me which is the command to see in what group is an user on? [12:34] Nick change: root -> Punker [12:34] Punker, 'groups ' as root [12:35] thx dive [12:35] dive: should i change the [4] to [1] ? [12:35] Punker, or as user just 'groups' [12:35] Punker: also, just to sound like a nagging wife, don't irc as root. [12:35] winger, no leave it as 4 [12:35] hahah [12:35] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:35] winger, leave it as 4 for now, if that doesn't work we can try 0 [12:36] ok thanks eviljames [12:36] you can also check /etc/groups [12:36] Punker: and the ctcp reply was brilliant :P [12:36] err /etc/group [12:36] winger, also you will need to edit /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf with your wpa details [12:36] jkr (n=jkr@ti0017a380-0412.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Well to be honest I'm having a problem which you might help me with. I cannot start X with my user... it gets blocked.. but I can with root. It's really weird. [12:38] Punker, is this a new user account? [12:38] I tried my best but I really don't know how can I solve it [12:38] I installed slackware yesterday, so yes dive [12:38] video group? [12:38] is it a member of the group video (iirc required for DRI) [12:38] how did you add user? [12:38] yes slackytude [12:38] which command? [12:38] <_RadioHead> useradd [12:38] i use dri and no need to be in video [12:39] useradd -d /home/punker -m -s /bin/bash -G plugdev,audio,video,cdrom,haldaemon,power,scanner punker [12:39] dive: maybe i should be editing rc.wireless.conf ? [12:39] _RadioHead, yeah but I want to find out how he did it [12:39] winger, no leave that one [12:39] Punker, any lockfiles hanging around from a KDE/X fail? not certain it does that, but worth a check [12:39] Punker, adduser is prefered, also its plugdev not haldaemon, afaik [12:39] Punker, pastebin X log [12:39] <_RadioHead> dive: ok [12:40] Punker, checked the permissions on /home/punker? [12:40] Punker, nvm you added plugdev [12:40] theblackbox sorry got disconnected, first order of business is finding out what chipset (and therefore if any nativ driver works on linux) [12:40] 2nd, if none, you might be able to wrap the windows driver, if not then SOL [12:40] no I didn't dive [12:40] manch, ahh, cheers - I got the chipset it's the raLink RT3070L [12:40] theblackbox, I'm not sure I don't think so, how could I check that? [12:40] oh that'll rowk [12:40] work [12:41] Punker, 'ls -ld /home/punker' [12:41] manch, yeah, I thought I'd had something similar working on the old ralink driver [12:41] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [12:41] Punker, what dive said [12:41] you need to dl it though, iirc (never used ralink) [12:41] dive drwxr-xr-x 5 punker users 4096 2009-07-30 18:23 /home/punker [12:42] Punker, ok that's correct themn [12:42] Punker, I mean ls -la [12:42] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [12:42] blackbox, check out http://www.ralinktech.com/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html [12:42] theblackbox, .kde is drwx------ if it helps [12:43] although I think drwx--x--x is what get's made with adduser [12:43] Punker, pastebin X log [12:43] dive, (for Punker) that should show the xsession stuff shouldn't it, in case there is something locking out his user [12:43] .... wouldn't irt be the .serverauth* files? [12:44] theblackbox, they would get made auto by X [12:44] but if x had failed as user then they wouldn't have been cleared out and would block a new x session, just thinking on my feet [12:44] slackboy, could you please confirm me where are those logs? /var/log? [12:44] slackytude, sorry [12:44] might be a country mile off target [12:44] Punker, actually those permissions are a little unsafe. [12:45] you have group read [12:45] Punker, mine is /var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:45] Punker, yes,/var/log/Xorg.0.log [12:45] mine also [12:45] alright [12:46] so I'll start X as root to upload it [12:46] christian (i=590f9d33@gateway/web/freenode/x-kaoclfrpaumpnmui) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [12:46] Punker, no [12:46] Punker, no [12:46] ok [12:47] Punker, start as user so it will fail and log the attempt [12:47] try as user, then when it fails upload that [12:47] then we can inspect them logz, y0 [12:47] in fact startx as root after and pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old [12:47] next issue of linux hater blog will be wild [12:47] what with Alan Cox and centos [12:47] ok [12:47] so, startx as user, startx as root, upload /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old [12:48] dive: after editing the rc.inet1.conf file, ifconfig and iwconfig no longer give me eth0 anymore. [12:48] slackytude: The headline: "Some linux devs actually have the good sense to tell the world to fsck off." [12:48] nick (n=nick@71-10-90-163.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:48] winger, really? What is it now? [12:49] eviljames, "Linux devs act like prima donnas" [12:49] just gone. only lo for icfongia dn lo/eth1 no wireless extensions under iwconfig [12:49] Nick change: nick -> Guest2451 [12:49] slackytude: How is that news? [12:49] ifconfig and * [12:49] I'm not even a linux dev, per se, and I'M a prima donna! [12:49] winger, nothing for ifconfig -a ? [12:49] eviljames, its not about news [12:49] just eth1 and lo [12:49] I'll have to check a way of doing it in command line.. I'm not very familiarized with this, sry [12:49] eviljames, its the linux hater blog [12:50] Punker, links [12:50] winger, try rmmod ipw2200; modprobe ipw2200 [12:50] Punker, command line browser [12:50] slackytude, ok [12:50] still nothing [12:50] winger, can you pastebin 'dmesg | tail' after that modprobe please [12:51] dive: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/72Yz0P29.html [12:52] ah found the card [12:52] hah [12:52] unable to load firmware [12:52] oops, i deleted it from the /lib/firmware [12:52] must be that [12:52] lol [12:52] winger, you need to reinstall the kernel firmware package [12:52] winger, do not use the one from sourceforge [12:52] just copy the folder from a mirror? [12:52] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [12:52] use the slack package [12:53] off the DVD? [12:53] winger, no download package and installpkg it [12:53] winger, yes [12:53] winger: grep lib/firmware /var/log/packages/* [12:53] heh: whats the dev for the DVD-ROM ? [12:53] There it goes: http://pastebin.org/5369 [12:53] taht will tell you which packages were there [12:54] eh i could just do it through KDE instead of mounting it [12:55] winger: run the command I showed for a list of packages, and then use "upgradepkg --reinstall blah.tgz" on it [12:55] only showed the one package [12:55] i dont have to get it from the DVD, it's sitting in the directory? [12:55] winger: which package? [12:56] personally, I'd use slackpkg, or just grab it from a mirror [12:56] Punker, according to that log you should be up and running [12:56] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:56] theres a bunch [12:56] Punker, that doesn't show any errors. Is that /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old? [12:56] winger: huh? you first said only one package [12:56] dive, It is [12:56] Punker, what is the result of grep EE /var/log/Xorg logs ? [12:56] yea but the first time i typed /lib/firmware [12:56] <_RadioHead> yep dive only IInformations [12:56] that gave me one [12:56] Punker, did you startx as user, startx as root, then upload it? [12:56] lib/firmware gave me a whole lot [12:56] winger: no leading "/" [12:57] yes, those are the ones you will need to reinstall [12:57] all of them? lol [12:57] the firmware is not gonna be on the slack dvd [12:57] winger: yes [12:57] there are only a few firmware packages [12:57] mancha: he removed /lib/firmware, which packages certainly do populate [12:57] not so great a deal [12:57] slackytude, , (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER [12:57] winger: just pastebin "grep lib/firmware /var/log/packages/*" [12:57] i didnt remove /lib/firmware [12:57] ah he rm's it? [12:58] didn't he only remove the ipw2200 firmware? [12:58] dive, Yes I did in that way [12:58] i removed just the ipw2200 firm [12:58] Punker, hmmm [12:58] so just put it back, problem solved [12:58] oops, I see the word "it" [12:58] then modprobe ipw2200 [12:58] I first read as "I removed /lib/firmware" [12:58] Punker, do you recall the last few lines in console after startx as user? [12:58] dive, Nope :-( [12:59] Punker, try it and see what the error is? [12:59] ok [12:59] Punker, anything besides that in the older Xorg logs? [12:59] slackytude, nothing else [12:59] grazymax (n=grazymax@host211-2-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:00] Punker, its not X related then. try to switch to a different WM. do a xwmconfig as user and chose fluxbox or xfce [13:00] dive, I cannot, It's too quick. In fact It gets blocked in 'Initializing ststem services' [13:00] KDE stuff [13:00] <_RadioHead> Punker: try xfce [13:00] Punker, huh? [13:01] Punker, so it's kde crashing? [13:01] seems that :-( [13:01] let him try it first befor conclusions are drawn [13:01] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.21) joined ##slackware. [13:01] <_RadioHead> Punker: did u upgrade kde or , you installed slackware from begining? [13:01] Punker, yeah try another desktop [13:01] _RadioHead, from begging [13:01] <_RadioHead> slackytude: good idea :) [13:02] I'll try another desktop now [13:02] You think it might it be a bug ..? [13:02] positron` (n=positron@89.152.185.234) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:02] well it works here.. [13:02] so doubtful [13:03] <_RadioHead> should work since is fresh isntall [13:03] Tried with xfce and seems it's working. In fact it works! [13:03] <_RadioHead> dive: i had problem with kde when i upgrade from kde3 to kde 4 [13:03] right. go out of X and delete the .DCOP* stuff in your home, try KDE again [13:03] ok [13:04] <_RadioHead> time to go ~ later people [13:04] _RadioHead (n=slack@82.114.75.249) left irc: "Leaving" [13:04] slackytude, Cannot find .DCOP* on my user home [13:05] dive: yea, same problem as before i even edited rc.inet1.conf, no recognition under iwconfig/ifconfig , just ESSID = off/any [13:05] cya _RadioHead [13:05] what does dmesg say after you modprobe? [13:05] winger, but ifconfig/iwconfig show the interface now? [13:05] yes [13:05] ok good [13:05] Punker, eh, damn, would be too easy. I can only tell you to ask in #kde now [13:05] i replaced the ipw2200 firmware files [13:06] do i need to rc.inet1.conf restart? [13:06] Alright, thanks for you help slackytude & dive [13:06] really appreciated :-) [13:06] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:06] winger, eth0_restart|start|stop [13:06] Action: slackytude bows [13:06] before messing with rc.inet1.conf files you should get it working manually, if you have ni iwconfig output something is wrong [13:06] yw Punker [13:07] theblackbox, also :-P thanks [13:07] man im so confused lol [13:08] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:08] winger, does /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 eth0_start do anything? [13:08] powtrix__ (n=powtrix@189-69-24-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [13:08] eth0 information: 'Any ESSID' [13:08] Punker, lol, slackware has an awesome community, welcome! hope you enjoy AND learn :) [13:08] winger, and you edited /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf ? [13:09] dive: no. [13:09] im using WEP [13:09] winger, try it [13:09] ah [13:09] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:09] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:09] isn't wep crackable in under 2 minutes? [13:09] theblackbox, I intend so. Getting introduced.. :-)) [13:09] eviljames, pretty much [13:10] alienBOB (n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [13:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [13:10] winger, can you pastebin your /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf ? [13:10] It costs me a little bit eviljames, lol [13:11] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/72Yz0P29.html [13:11] Punker: what costs you? [13:11] eviljames: less than a minute in some cases [13:12] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:12] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:12] eviljames, well if someone is associated with the AP and is on-line so I can get enough data for it ... about ~15 mins. If noone's online I cannot :/ [13:13] winger, what does 'iwlist eth0 scan' show? [13:13] Punker: right, that's the nature of the crack. [13:13] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-27-205.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:13] eth0 [13:13] there are ways to force some of the crappy APs to spit out useful data when no other clients are connected. [13:13] eviljames, by the way I'm just getting introduced on security tests so maybe I'm not the right person.. <- noob :) [13:13] essid is there [13:13] ecryption key: on [13:13] and it shows Network? [13:13] quality = 67/100 [13:13] yeah [13:14] really antiwire ? that sounds really nice :/ [13:14] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) left irc: "Gameover" [13:14] Protocol: IEEE 802.11bg [13:14] giuppy (n=giuppy@host86-173-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:14] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left ##slackware ("leaving"). [13:15] jesus, I need a new processor [13:15] Punker: oh, I wasn't asking for my own education :P, I wasn't sure the time frame. [13:16] :-) [13:16] eviljames: honestly, setting up the interfaces and starting injection and the packet capture takes more time than the actual wep breaking. even on an older 1.8ghz system, after the data is there, finding the key takes seconds [13:16] bbl [13:16] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:17] kannan (n=kannan@59.163.207.97) joined ##slackware. [13:17] antiwire: That's comforting :P [13:17] lol [13:17] Action: theblackbox runs for the hills [13:17] Maybe I missunderstood, yes , it took seconds to find the key also:-/ [13:18] antiwire: Well, what about the use of the open wifi point in defense of filesharing? [13:18] "I run an open wifi point, therefore it may not have beenmy computer sharing the files" [13:18] winger, it looks to me like it's picking up the network from rc.wireless.conf or something [13:18] Sorry, let me take a different tack. [13:18] eviljames: I don't have immediate backup on that but I think it was tossed out a few times [13:19] that defense [13:19] "I run an open wifi point, therefore the threat MAY not have been sent from my computer" [13:19] antiwire: I'm pretty sure it was tossed out in the woman who got dinged $250g's [13:19] winger, you might want to try commenting out the ANY settings in that and trying again [13:19] winger, or just move the file to rc.wireless.unused [13:19] and restart [13:19] yeah [13:20] Someone was saying the other day that the open wifi point _made_ you responsiblein case (for example) a threat was sent from your IP adres [13:20] dive: rename rc.wireless.conf to rc.wireless.conf.unused? [13:20] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:20] eviljames: that's how I feel about it too [13:20] What thoughts do we have about using wep - it's perhaps an adequate defense "I secured my network" but at the same time is known to be insecure" but I secured it with wep so if a 31337 h4x0r wanted to make a threat via my network they could." [13:20] winger, yeah try it and see if it connects to Network (awful name btw ;p) [13:20] thats not the real name lol [13:21] oh right [13:21] See you later, thx for your help again :] [13:21] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [13:22] eviljames: with WEP, the operator has taken basic steps to secure the network and anyone gaining access has violated laws by breaking security mechanisms so the blame is back on the attacker...even though the admin used a flawed setup it wasn't wide open and required special steps and tools to thwart [13:22] k restarting [13:22] antiwire: That's pretty much my thoughts on the matter.. "I mitigated against wardrivers" is good enogh. [13:22] yeah [13:23] that, and don't go around making bomb threats, everything should be kosher. [13:23] lol [13:23] I feel like the law is flawed there [13:23] Really? The law is flawed? THAT never happens... [13:23] hiptobecubic: many people do and in a lot of states it's still a super gray area [13:23] If i write a letter with your name on it and stick it in the mail, it's not your fault if it contains a death threat [13:24] hiptobecubic: Onus would be on someone else to prove I wrote the letter. [13:25] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-119-177-81.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [13:25] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [13:25] hello, i have 2 ethernet cards, eth0 and eth1, i want to send all SIP packets (VOIP calls on port 5060 UDP) only thru eth0 and http (port 80 tcp) thru eth1 , is this possible and how can it be done? [13:25] So why isn't up to the victim to prove that you are the attacker on the internet? [13:25] dive: no difference [13:25] strange one [13:25] yeah.. [13:26] under kwifi it even picks it up, but doesnt allow me to connect [13:26] winger, have a read of this: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network&s[]=wifi [13:26] kannan, using route, should do it. read `man route` and it will tell you how to direct ports/addresses to different devices [13:26] it's a good howto [13:26] kannan: Setup apache to only listen on eth1 and setup the other software to use eth0 [13:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [13:27] hiptobecubic: What they do is prove which IP address (at least as near aspossible) the threat came from. [13:27] hiptobecubic , antiwire , thank you [13:27] apache can be setup for the http side of this easily [13:27] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:27] hiptobecubic: If it is YOUR ip (ie matches dhcp logs from your ISP) .. well, that's where the trouble begins. [13:28] eviljames, right, but if anyone can drive by and use your WAN ip, how is that fair? Just like anyone can write your name on a letter and stick it in your mailbox. [13:28] antiwire, i need to use the browser on the slack box, not as a webserver [13:28] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [13:28] If you don't go check before the mailman comes, you'll never know it was sent. [13:28] Anyone here uses Maltego? [13:28] dive: i just entered in the name and key manually [13:28] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: No route to host [13:28] iwconfig eth0 essid network key key [13:28] Hi [13:28] hiptobecubic: this isn't a straight comparison because I can send out a letter from anywhere with your return address and name [13:28] dhcpcd eth0? [13:29] winger, yes [13:29] Nick change: powtrix__ -> powtrix [13:29] Guest2451 (n=nick@71-10-90-163.dhcp.roch.mn.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] it's not really a valid argument to compare the open wifi issue with physical systems we know so well [13:29] hiptobecubic: Well, with a physical letter, there may be physical evidence - fingerprint, dna from the salive used to lick it closed (not likely but ...), or a hair or skin fragments or whatever.. [13:29] Broadcasting DHCP_DISCOVER [13:29] and its suck [13:29] stuck* lol [13:29] winger, takes a few seconds [13:29] hiptobecubic: With a digital one we have only the electron record, which provably, is fallible. [13:29] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [13:29] the rules are different and I think that new laws will need to be created for these specific situations [13:29] but after entering that information it gives me a signal level and link quality [13:29] eviljames: hehe, to continue with yesterdays linux news... http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/30/130249/CentOS-Project-Administrator-Goes-AWOL?from=rss [13:29] still stuck [13:29] antiwire, eviljames but it isn't your fault until they prove it's your dna. Not just that it probably is because it's got your addy on it. [13:30] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:30] timed out [13:30] hiptobecubic: No, it's NOT your fault UNTIL they prove its your dna. [13:30] winger, ping 74.125.127.100 [13:30] That's what i just said. [13:30] hiptobecubic: The difference is that it's easy to prove that anyone can write an address on an envelope [13:30] network unreachable [13:30] oh uhahah [13:30] hiptobecubic: Sorry, I missed the isn't for some reason :D [13:30] eviljames, is also easy to prove that anyone can connect to a wireless ap [13:31] except maybe winger :) [13:31] i cant lol [13:31] :D [13:31] hiptobecubic: Sure, but if you go ahead and prove that, the prosecution could simply say: "If you KNEW it was so easy to break, why did you use it?" [13:31] winger, best thing you can do now is read that wiki link I gave. It explains it much better than I can [13:31] winger, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network&s[]=wifi [13:31] alright thanks dive [13:31] eviljames, io :) [13:31] the WEP is different than an open AP though [13:31] i've installed slackware-current ;) [13:31] wep issue* [13:31] winger: I'm STILL of the mind that wicd will help you [13:32] eviljames, how is that a fair argument. If my door isn't locked it's still not my fault if I get robbed. [13:32] fredoslack: good job man! [13:32] Sure it's stupid. [13:32] eviljames, 32 bits !! [13:32] it works fine :} [13:32] But it's not like the thief doesn't get charged with robbery. [13:32] hiptobecubic: In the case of a robbery, you are the victim. If someone else leaves their door open and you rob them, you're still to blame. [13:32] oh [13:32] eviljames, well let's say someone breaks in and uses my internet to send a death threat [13:32] hiptobecubic: I need coffee, brb. it's too early for thinkage... [13:33] eviljames, :D [13:33] fredoslack: congratulations. Welcome to the -current users group. :P [13:33] Hi fire|bird :) thanks lool [13:33] hiptobecubic: you're still comparing this to the physical world though [13:33] sup fire|bird? Do you ever sleep man? [13:33] fire|bird, eh? [13:33] i'm running with Xfce [13:33] I wait KDE 4.3 :} [13:33] agentc0re|work: eh, now and then. :P [13:33] lol [13:34] hiptobecubic: I can try to illustrate what I mean, one sec [13:34] agentc0re|work: nothing much, still workin on the laptop, you? [13:34] so the digital world, the attacker isn't at fault because people didn't secure things well enough? What if he's a really good hacker? [13:34] I didn't say that [13:34] let me try to express what i'm getting at [13:35] sure [13:35] Hey dive, how's it going? [13:35] Action: eviljames sits back for antiwire [13:35] antiwire: I'm all ears too. [13:35] or.. eyes as the case may be. [13:35] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422737.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Connection timed out [13:35] lol [13:35] fire|bird, not so bad thanks, yourself? Hows the laptop>? [13:35] yeah, is it sitting on the AC unit? [13:35] terrible i'm sure [13:35] dive: doing great, thanks. Laptop, eh, still issues, dang fan quits and doesn't start again. [13:35] fire|bird: hating work... [13:35] hiptobecubic: On a side note, my HP dv6000series is fantastic. [13:36] agentc0re|work: so, nothing new then? :P [13:36] hiptobecubic: I was on yesterday, but I don't think you were... plus you got the synaptics thing figured out, right? [13:36] eviljames, how's your suspend resume? [13:36] fire|bird: had a domain controller die on me the other day and my other one is already fubar'd from the prior admin.. [13:36] eviljames, yes [13:36] hiptobecubic: I should look into that, I don't really suspend/resume at all.. [13:36] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:36] eviljames, i'd say about 1/10 doesn't wake up for me in 64-current [13:37] who know a good slackware' ftp with recent packages ? [13:37] fredoslack, you mean 'a mirror' ? [13:37] with other applications * [13:37] hiptobecubic, yes, i mean [13:37] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [13:37] Looking at the Open AP (wep creates a different scenario) where does the "public" or "open" aspect begin and end? I can see the signal from hundreds of feet away and I know that signal comes from a physical device. I don't need to touch that device, not even use a cable, to access it. When does trespassing begin? Am I trespassing when I sniff the plaintext signal for passwords or does trespassing being when I access the physical device? [13:37] good evening... infidels :P [13:37] before wifi, trespassing began when I plugged in. [13:37] macavity, evening believer [13:38] Action: macavity has been watching Jeff Dunham [again] [13:38] dive: i am a terrorist... a terrifying terrorist! :P [13:38] The point I'm trying to make is that comparing wifi security issues to the old "unlocked open door of a house" isn't really valid since the rules are different. [13:38] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.231.133) joined ##slackware. [13:38] antiwire, i don't think it's trespassing at all. The consumer doesn't not own radio waves. [13:38] doesn't* [13:38] macavity: "Silence, I kill you". :P Ahkmed (sp?) the dead terrorist. :P [13:38] fire|bird: priceless.. though i do think Peanut is more funny [13:39] I fucking hate Peanut. [13:39] macavity: agreed [13:39] lol.. he is awesome [13:39] Terrible. [13:39] simple humour for simple minds [13:39] either people get him or they dont :P [13:39] there's nothing to get [13:39] stig++ :D [13:39] macavity: and we get him. :P [13:39] In fact [13:39] That comedian sucks. [13:39] at first i scratched my head at him and just thought "whut? he is just plain annoying?!?" [13:40] There, i said it. [13:40] what/who is peanut? [13:40] dive: one of Jeff Dunhams muppets [13:40] dive, a ventriloquist dummy. [13:40] oh [13:40] dive, He's a total asshole. Don't look it up. [13:40] youtube? [13:40] macavity: just remember, it's Jeff-fa-fa. :P [13:40] yup [13:40] fire|bird: am i pissing you o-fa-fa? :P [13:40] haha [13:41] gotta love ahkmed [13:41] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [13:41] You want some real comedic value, go to hulu and watch "Son of Godzilla" [13:41] fredoslack is watching if KDE 4.3 is ready :] [13:41] Action: slackytude checks! [13:41] antiwire: That's a good question, about where does trespassing begin. [13:41] what is the guys name that does it? [13:41] jeff something? [13:41] macavity: Walter's another alright one. "Bet you can't do it again, dumbass". :P [13:41] actually i think ackmed is the *least* funny [13:41] :'( KDE 4.3.0 RC3 [13:42] macavity, I find all else by him not funny at all [13:42] he is only funny like two or three times.. Walter and Peanut stay funny :P [13:42] hiptobecubic, lots of stuff if I search for "Son of Godzilla" [13:42] Akhmed is ignorant and terrible. [13:42] slackytude, hold on [13:43] antiwire: and, really, I think that it must have to occur at the point of accessing a network that you are not supposed to. I'd consider an open AP to be like a public park. [13:43] slackytude: watch "arguing with myself".. walter has a monologue about senior sex.. i nearly damn choked from laughter :P [13:43] If I had to make a terrible meatspace comparison. [13:43] rofl [13:43] http://crackle.com/c/Son_of_Godzilla [13:44] Is this sfw? [13:44] yea sounds off tho [13:44] not porno sounds, just loud [13:44] slackytude, the dialog is what makes it [13:44] it's a great film from the late 60's [13:44] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Connection timed out [13:44] hiptobecubic, thx [13:45] macavity, will check [13:45] slackytude, anytime [13:45] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [13:45] macavity: hahaha, I remember that one. :P [13:46] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:46] shyko (n=chatzill@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [13:47] hi folks [13:47] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) joined ##slackware. [13:47] fire|bird: "..they sure as hell wont ever let us into that Star Bucks again" :P [13:47] humbug, wifi still not working [13:47] hello shyko [13:48] a SlackBuild error is a bug? [13:48] theblackbox: brand and model? [13:48] shyko: depends on the build, and the error. [13:48] shyko, not necesarily [13:48] shyko: what are you talking about? [13:48] shyko: which slackbuild? [13:48] amarok.SlackBuild [13:48] Reav___ (n=Reaver@212.88.117.162) left irc: Connection timed out [13:48] from -current [13:48] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [13:48] shyko, perhaps you are missing a lib/dep [13:49] ah [13:49] hiptobecubic, Server Error in '/' Application. [13:49] shyko: what is the issue you see? [13:49] shyko, what's the error? [13:49] slackytude, in the movie? [13:49] macavity: http://learnix.net/2009/07/i-failed-at-failing/ [13:49] Hi slackboy :) [13:49] oups slackytude * [13:49] :) [13:50] fredoslack: nice of you to give the local bot some love, tho [13:50] macavity, Belkin, chipset is RT3070L [13:50] eviljames, i wasn't sure :p [13:50] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [13:50] slackytude, I watched it last night all the way through. [13:50] somehow... [13:50] _therada1 (n=hjhayes@adsl-219-171-176.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:51] just built the compat-wireless, but don't think I've got the right module loaded [13:51] hiptobecubic, when I try to access it, yes [13:51] i have it playing right now. [13:51] macavity, not that funny [13:51] dive: is with the handle of mysql source, in the build of libmysqld.a [13:52] hiptobecubic, I search for Son_of_Godzilla, select first hit and boom [13:52] http://crackle.com/c/Son_of_Godzilla <-- there? [13:52] not so serious [13:52] http://crackle.com/c/Son_of_Godzilla/Son_of_Godzilla/2449089 [13:52] shyko: what is the actual problem.... [13:52] you haven't told us anything yet [13:52] hiptobecubic, that link directs me to /c/originals [13:53] it takes me right to the movie [13:53] Action: slackytude shrugs [13:53] here try this: http://www.hulu.com/search?query=son+of+godzilla the upper left choice? [13:54] hulu blocks non-us afaik [13:54] Does crackle? [13:54] who knows? if so, they fail at handling it [13:54] shyko, does the slackbuild exit with that error then? [13:54] shyko, or continue? [13:55] oh well [13:55] shyko: I see lines 73-74 and 79-83 in the build script are setup to handle this and it shows that mysql is a build time dep for amarok [13:55] A *potential* build time dep I mean [13:56] yeap [13:56] the question is... [13:56] that the test comand doesn't works [13:56] 'cause the quotes [13:57] excuse me for being noob but s/not/no means switch 'not' to 'no'? [13:57] dakarn: Pretty much, yeah. If you're actually executing a sed statement, you'll have to add another / to the end. [13:57] shyko: what quotes? [13:57] [ -e "$CWD/mysql*.tar.?z*" ] [13:57] dakarn: and it will also catch "nothing" and turn it to "nohing" [13:58] even if the mysql*.tar.?z* exists... [13:58] the test dont "find" it [13:58] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.184.249) joined ##slackware. [13:58] but with... [ -e $CWD/mysql*.tar.?* ] [13:58] then [13:58] it works [13:59] ok, I have to eat a packet of pringles, two pizzas, three eggs, ham, bread, butter, three apples, five kiwis, four yoghurts, three flambys, and possibly several other things... tonight :D [13:59] Camarade_Tux: Do you have a blender? [13:59] ops, s/tar.?*/tar.?z*/ [13:59] eviljames: nope [13:59] sorry [13:59] :D [13:59] Camarade_Tux: Well, better get your fat butt eating. [13:59] y0 Camarade_Tux [13:59] I think I'll start with pizza+ham+egg :D [14:00] Action: Camarade_Tux jumps on slackytude :) [14:00] better do it now, before I eat all that :D [14:00] ok, the desk ate some pizza too [14:01] shyko: did you move the kde/ directory out of the -current tree? [14:01] not again >-< [14:02] anyone know correct module to load for a Belkin USB wireless adapter? Chipset RT3070L just built the compat-wireless-2.6.30 but not sure what effect it has had or whether I need to state explicitly what to load (http://pastebin.ca/1512508) [14:02] macavity: hahahaha. Jeff Dunham's gonna be at a fair around hear in August iirc. [14:03] allend (n=allend@CPE-121-220-37-184.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [14:03] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [14:03] antiwire: yeap, but the script should works even there [14:03] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] try moving it back [14:05] I changed the script, and it goes fine [14:07] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-24-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] shyko: I see [14:08] nheco (n=PISTAO@200-203-111-165.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:09] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [14:09] shyko: did you rebuild and install amarok yet? [14:09] yeap [14:09] can you do this for us? ldd `which amarok`| grep sql [14:10] mine comes up empty [14:10] http://linux.slashdot.org/story/09/07/29/1925224/Alan-Cox-Quits-As-Linux-TTY-Maintainer-mdash-Ive-Had-Enough [14:10] looks like "" don't like wildcards [14:11] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@net-93-64-78-194.cust.dsl.vodafone.it) joined ##slackware. [14:11] anyone on this usb wireless module? can't figure out for the life of me what to do [14:11] antiwire: mine 2 [14:11] k [14:12] KidpunkX (n=kidpunkx@adsl-235-213-173.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:12] KidpunkX (n=kidpunkx@adsl-235-218-145.mco.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] shyko, you might to consider telling alienBOB or rworkman about that, or mail pat directly [14:13] wildcards don't work in quotes for -e [14:13] ok [14:13] The garbage man from Dilbert... The greatest character of all time. [14:14] hmmm, do I make the egg in the microwave oven?* [14:14] sed -e 'wat/d' [14:14] theblackbox: from what I can tell, there is no driver in the kernel for that chipset [14:14] credo (n=36th@80.233.147.119) joined ##slackware. [14:15] antiwire, mancha pointed me to the compat wireless build which includes a load of extra modules, but I can't seem to hit the right one [14:16] theblackbox: is RT3070L in the list of supported hardware? [14:16] tbh, I'm not sure [14:16] I've had other dongles in this line work, but not this particular one [14:16] theblackbox, ::in bed:: [14:17] [ in bed ] [14:17] touch test.txt ; if [ -e "test.*" ]; then echo "found"; fi [14:17] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [14:17] if [ -e test.* ]; then echo "found"; fi [14:17] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:18] dive: that's it! [14:18] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [14:18] fails in zsh adnd sh [14:18] erm *and [14:19] theblackbox: I don't see it in the linux wireless documentation [14:19] balls [14:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Connection timed out [14:19] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Connection timed out [14:20] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [14:20] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:20] http://www.ralinktech.com:8083/ralink/Home/Support/Linux.html [14:20] http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/ReleaseNote-RT3070.txt [14:21] and http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2009_0525_RT3070_Linux_STA_v2.1.1.0.bz2 [14:21] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:21] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [14:21] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] antiwire, so thats the driver for linux support? [14:22] crap.... think my kernel is out of date =S [14:22] holy fuck [14:23] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) joined ##slackware. [14:23] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:23] 2.6.27.7-smp .... boh! [14:24] ? [14:24] did you even try to build it yet? [14:24] i thought the difference between a P4 HT 3.2GHz (1MB L2) and a Core2 Duo 2GHz (4MB L2) werent all *THAT* great... but doign a full Pat V style kernel compile really do show that Iron Is Everything(TM) [14:24] 2.6.24.5-smp [14:24] illuz1oN (n=illuz1oN@5ac880ae.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [14:24] antiwire, no, doin it now [14:26] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:26] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [14:26] macavity, got my drooling heart set on the 12M L2 Quad to beef my system up [14:27] init[1] (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left ##slackware. [14:27] http://tinyurl.com/mhohv6 [14:27] meh, quads are going to be dropping off a cliff in terms of price in the next 2 months [14:27] mega-bargain [14:27] intel is going to release 8-core hyperthreaded i7 and slaughter the market. [14:28] Action: eviljames bides his time.. the sleeper waits. [14:28] whoa, sounds interesting [14:28] the sleeper must awaken! [14:28] Action: dive pokes eviljames [14:28] might have to lie idle myself [14:29] hey guys... does bash support regexp? [14:29] That's what I'm doing.. I have a dual core (cheap one..) and once these new i7s hit the market, the Q6600, Q8400 etc should nose dive. [14:29] Urchlay (n=dammit@c-67-191-211-185.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] they could call it....the octoproc [14:29] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:29] Then I'll pick up one of those and bide my time until the X58 motherboards drop in price and snag one of those [14:29] Chakravanti: hey did that asound.conf stuff work for you? [14:29] eviljames: 16 pinguins eh? [14:29] for all but flash [14:29] macavity: no, I think just 8 penguins - hyperthreaded systems show only 1 right? [14:29] eviljames: nope [14:30] slak, what are you trying to do? also #bash [14:30] so how many will that be? [14:30] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:30] flash might be using OSS compatibility, do you have snd_pcm_oss loaded? [14:30] i have a q6600 and it shows 4 penguins [14:30] macavity: I'm 90% sure that is true, my P4HT only shows 1 penguin at boot (iirc) [14:30] 16? [14:30] manwichmakeameal: that's because you have 4 cores, but none of them are HT [14:30] eviljames: yeah, my P4 3.2 is HT and only shows one. [14:30] eviljames: i am on one right now.. see above message.. [14:31] okay, so i have Mesa 1.4, and I was thinking i should grab 1.5 cuz someone said that fixed some probs yesterday and i thought i'd give it a go...since im having probs [14:31] but where do i get 1.5? [14:31] Chakravanti: I believe you mean 7.4 and 7.5 [14:31] Chakravanti: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ [14:31] yeah shit [14:31] i do [14:31] but i have 7.02 [14:31] Channel flood from Chakravanti -- kicking [14:31] apparently [14:31] Chakravanti kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [14:31] heh [14:32] always fun [14:32] pizza+egg is killing me [14:32] paissad-server (n=paissad-@33.138.72-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:32] eviljames: P4 HT is a joke, because they both "hyper threads" share all resources.. but on i7 each "hyper thread" has its own stack, registers and ALU.. thus it becomes an arch like Niagra, where it is for the most part like a multi core system, where two cores share one FPU [14:32] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:32] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] hiptobecubic, just wondering why the command `ls {B,b,}arco.*` parses words like "arco" [14:32] Chakravanti, only use it if you are actually having problems though [14:32] i am [14:32] slackytude, because you put a comma after the b [14:32] Alien arena won't even start [14:32] slak, just guessing but how about {B,b} [14:33] hiptobecubic, fail [14:33] antiwire, built and modprobed the rt3070sta module - but system still doesn't assign it an interface [14:33] Camarade_Tux: So, you won't be able to eat the entire menu of food you listed above? :P [14:33] slackytude, :D [14:33] slackytude, ah :D thanks man [14:33] http://www.pastebin.org/5389 [14:33] macavity: Plus NUMA memoy and their whole QPI thing... the performance boosts are pretty impressive. [14:33] Action: slackytude bowd [14:33] Action: slackytude bows [14:33] hiptobecubic, thanks man [14:34] although [14:34] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:34] i know a lot of that can fist be fixed with some xorg.vonf editing [14:34] eviljames: NUMA is NOT a good thing.. it is an evil that we will endure to get on-chip memory management [14:34] macavity: A graphic artist in our office went from an older quad to an i7 and noticed a near-instant 50% boost in performance in the adobe suite. [14:34] eviljames: it makes process/thread migration very dificoult.. [14:35] hey hiptobecubic, slackytude isnt that {B,b,} a Regular eXpression? [14:35] i thought i wasnt supported by the bash [14:35] eviljames: yes.. most of that is becuase of optimizations to the decoding pipeline, faster memory fetches, and better cache eviction code [14:36] it wasnt* [14:36] slak, Im the wrong guy to ask I was just guessing [14:36] Chakravanti, gonna download that, looks good. [14:36] alien watsit [14:36] slackytude, no. [14:36] hiptobecubic, fail [14:36] oh yeah [14:36] fire|bird: probably no :D [14:36] it's frikin awesome [14:36] *not [14:36] quake on crack lol [14:37] eviljames: fortunately the NUMA factor on i7 is very low, because all the cores are on the same ring bus.. so for most regular purposes, the tradeoff is a good bargain [14:37] always people playing [14:37] Chakravanti, I usually play UT99 [14:37] slackytude, {B,b} just substitutes. {B,b}arco evaluates to "Barco barco" [14:37] Chakravanti, you were a recent switcher from ubuntu to slack, right? [14:37] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-167-17.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:37] aye [14:37] so {B,b,} would be Barco barco arco [14:37] from the lq xorg thread: "Install glew (it's new, needed by mesa)." slackpkg fails to find it :( [14:37] macavity: Architecturally, I consider this a great step forward, and I can't wait to put one or more under my desk @ home :D [14:38] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:38] hiptobecubic, what about the ".*" ? [14:38] Chakravanti, so, how do you like it so far? any comparisions? [14:38] it takes a LOT more work to run slackware than ubuntu [14:38] it also take a lot more work to learn it [14:38] slak, thats an expansion as well [14:38] but it shouldnt ignore that [14:38] {B,b}arco.* => Barco.* barco.* [14:38] Action: Camarade_Tux plans to buy a new rig: quad core, 8GB ram, good disk(s) and no graphic card [14:38] nvm, it's on rwm's page [14:38] eviljames: personally i would have prefered a little different L2/L3 ratio [14:39] Chakravanti: Did you get that link for lq.org? [14:39] so far, i'm not seeing the benefits of the investment. But i've barely created a stable system with all of my common apps at functionality [14:39] i've been to the forum a few times [14:39] macavity: That can be adjusted per model, though. Perhaps the i7 920 or 940 are a little off in that regard, but the next generation should take care of that. [14:39] looking at an xorg.conf posting of someone who has my video card [14:39] well, time ot clean my apartment...a girl is coming over [14:39] but he's tlaking about tv and shit and i aint got that [14:39] -yes [14:39] antiwire, good luck [14:40] Chakravanti, hrm [14:40] antiwire: your mom? :D [14:40] antiwire, beware, I here they can devour a man with their eyes! [14:40] antiwire: \o/ [14:40] eviljames: they are going for bigger L3 because it lets them ramp up the speed faster, and it gives a better yeild (the L3 is not on-die) [14:40] antiwire: Wait... it's not your mom is it? [14:40] antiwire: The one they're trying to hook you up with? :P [14:40] lol [14:40] giuppy (n=giuppy@host86-173-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:41] man, announce a girl is coming over and watch the channel go wild [14:41] you need to get laid, people [14:41] macavity: So you'd like to see more per-core cache available for instructions? [14:41] WOOT! [14:41] slackytude: I'll cheer on anyone who is attempting to do so. [14:41] Action: theblackbox is giving up on ralink [14:41] Action: slackytude nods [14:41] eviljames: no, i would like to see bigger L2 cache, as that is single wait stage [14:42] eviljames: but i am fully aware that L2 is a pricy affair [14:42] slackytude: yeah, true, I need to get laid, do me :) [14:42] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: "Leaving" [14:42] Camarade_Tux, you are staring to worry me -_- [14:42] eviljames: i remember when a P3 Xeon 650 with 16MB L2 cache cost $25k :P [14:42] Action: slackytude rethinks his visit to france [14:43] slackytude: He's just starting to worry you now? :P [14:43] Camarade_Tux, you are way to desperate if you want me [14:43] I thought you germans were a peacful, tolerant, gay-loving society? [14:43] eviljames: the same version with 4MB L2 and 24MB L3 was less than half of that... for a reason :P [14:43] and I mean, waaaay too desperate [14:43] does anyone have a vesa framebuffer enabled? [14:43] yesyes: mostly everyone does.. [14:43] eviljames, lies! [14:44] yesyes: that is, unless people *know* that they have *not* then they have vesafb :P [14:44] slackytude: hahaha :P [14:44] yesyes: are you having trouble with the vga= option in lilo? [14:44] strange. i swear i could do so with my laptop before. but now when i try the screen goes blank and the computer becomes unresponsive. the same thing happens when i run xorg -config. [14:45] yes, i've tried all the vesa options for vga= and they all make my pc hang. [14:45] v4nelle (n=van@78-60-172.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:45] yesyes, does it give a black screen at boot? [14:46] yesyes: are you on -current? [14:46] (xorg a different problem) [14:46] macavity: I remember the days of Xeons being that expensive too... I called it 'high school.' [14:46] :P [14:46] well, it goes blank when i tries to convert to vesa. the actual slackware lilo screen appears, tho. [14:46] macavity: yes [14:46] fire|bird, maybe I just didnt catch the early signs [14:46] yesyes: intel graphics chip? [14:46] s/tries/try :-( [14:46] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [14:47] DefCon_1 (n=chatzill@77-59-57-195.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [14:47] set vga=ask [14:48] radeon mobility, macavity [14:48] What's a flood drone? [14:48] when the kernel comes up and ask, hit enter, type "scan" [14:48] find a mode that you liek [14:48] like [14:48] yeah, i do 'ask', then try this and that, but all the vesa options fail. [14:48] thats bad [14:48] did you scan? [14:49] no, i haven't. vga=scan you say? i will later, thanks. [14:49] no [14:49] eg, get the kernel to scan the device for which modes it explicitly state to support [14:49] yesyes: no no [14:49] yesyes: you say vga=ask [14:49] vga=ask and at prompt type 'scan' [14:49] dive++ [14:49] what he said (and what i said just before) [14:49] ah, okay. thanks guys. [14:49] wait [14:50] not going anywhere... [14:50] then, when you get that number, and observe that it works [14:50] I have a radeon m too, hope that isn't going to be a problem in -current [14:50] Action: slackytude is on radeon mobility as well [14:50] then you edit lilo.conf and say vga=0x0$NUMBER [14:50] timahvo1_ (n=rogue@41.223.57.76) left irc: "leaving" [14:50] the 0x0 part is impotant, as the kernel speacks in hex, but lilo speaks in decimal [14:50] okay, will do. [14:51] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [14:51] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-167-17.spkn.qwest.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:51] you can also use kcalc to convert the kernel listed mode into decimal [14:51] i dont bother though... just prefix 0x0 and you are golden [14:52] 0x0318 is 1024x768x32k on this workstation [14:52] that isnt even a valid mode on my laptop [14:53] 32k color modes are weird. 15 bits/pixel, with a leftover bit in one of the bytes that doesn't do anything [14:53] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:53] Urchlay: actually that bit is used for something with pixel blitting.. dont ask [14:53] Urchlay, it contains satanic messages [14:54] i have an odd mobility card i think. some oem thing. in windows i can only find the driver for it from the weird place it was bought from - all the normal mobility drivers fail to work. so even if i do have a problem, guys, i wouldn't read too much into it. this laptop is in its death throws anyway. i've been having hda opcode errors for about 6 months. it's about 4 years old. [14:54] s/satanic messages/sematic optimizations/ [14:54] not a huge range of messages you can with 0 and 1 [14:54] macavity: whatever it's used for, is something inoperative in 64k color mode then... [14:54] yesyes, while sucky for you, I feel a sense of relief [14:54] macavity: and what are the first 2 rules of optimizations? [14:55] macavity: 1) DON'T OPTIMIZE, and 2) Don't optimize yet. [14:55] eviljames, premature optimization is evil [14:55] dive: uhm. Everything on the internet is made of 0 and 1 (porn, games, irc, slackware...) :) [14:55] Action: eviljames gets off on 0s, but not on 1s. [14:55] dive, not a single bit, all the leftover bits [14:55] slackware has an extra bit for Bob. [14:55] Urchlay, no? I was refering to the fact that it's one single bit... [14:55] its "Bob" [14:55] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [14:55] "Sorry" [14:56] also, [14:56] ^-^ [14:56] it's "it's" [14:56] >_< [14:56] dive: it's one single bit per pixel, at 1024x768 that's 98Kbyte or so [14:56] :-( [14:56] I spose if you add up all the bits in a screenful then yeah could use them [14:56] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-119-177-81.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:57] eviljames: "every program can be optimized at least one instructino" and "every program contains at least one bug", thus we can use proof by induction to realize that every program can be optimized down to just one instruction that doesnt do as intended [14:57] dive: you're still right though: it's pointless [14:57] macavity, aye [14:57] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] macavity: the 6502 has a "crash the CPU" instruction (actually a bunch of them), so it directly supports that concept in the hardware [14:58] Urchlay, what for? [14:58] hmm don't think my 6809 has that :/ [14:58] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "= gone" [14:58] some hardware has for loops in hardware [14:58] many do [14:58] the whole CISC stuff [14:59] slackytude: nothing useful. It's just that there are 256 possible instruction bytes, but the CPU only knows how to execute 180 or so [14:59] that would make for a single instruction with three operants that would make absolutely sure that the system *stay* crashed :P [14:59] Urchlay, wouldnt you use NOP for those? [14:59] nop is a defined instruction [15:00] I doubt if they would use all the remainder as nops [15:00] a=for (CRASH; CRASH; jmp a); [15:00] Action: dive pops macavity [15:00] dive, well if OPCODE > 180 =NOP [15:00] slackytude: actually, some of the undefined opcodes do semi-useful things.. there's one that ANDs the A and X register together and stores the result in memory (normally, the 6502 can't do a logical AND on the X register at all) [15:00] i wonder how many places that can be found int the ntkernel :P [15:00] Urchlay, that sounds bad [15:00] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:01] dive: you are supposed to longjmp me ;-) [15:01] Urchlay, from a design perspective [15:01] lol [15:01] eh, well, from a design perspective... the designers listed the supported/valid opcodes and said "undefined opcodes might do nothing, anything, or crash the CPU, so don't use them" [15:02] Urchlay, heh [15:02] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:02] adding extra silicon to decode the extra opcodes and map them to NOP would have made the CPU take longer to design and cost more [15:02] Urchlay, so the AND A X happend by chance? [15:02] did the 6502 have [A register][B register] which can be used together as D (or was it C)? [15:03] dive: no, that sounds like a 6809 thing [15:03] Urchlay, yeah it is [15:03] Action: dive wonders if he's still got his 6809 book [15:04] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [15:04] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:04] slackytude: right. It's a "wire AND", the outputs get driven by both registers and because it's positive TTL, the bits that are 0 in either registers count as a short to ground [15:04] Urchlay, >-< [15:04] so only the bits that are 1 in both regs will be stored in memory as 1s [15:04] I haven't even glanced at assembler since the 6809. I bet I would be amazed by what modern CPUs can do. [15:04] Urchlay, lol [15:04] Urchlay, thats crazy [15:05] for once payday is tomorrow and i aint broke saweet [15:05] dive, not really [15:05] RISC all the way baby [15:05] except the weird SSE stuff maybe [15:05] slackytude: agreed... but it's sometimes useful too. Another more useful illegal opcode loads the A and X register with the same data, in the same time it'd take to just load either one [15:05] or the IA64 [15:06] Urchlay, where from? from memory cells next to each other? [15:06] okay, it seems vesa may have even worked before. when i last specified vesa, maybe a year ago, it took around a second, maybe two, to change to the vesa resolution. but now, for some reason, it takes around 30 seconds. it was only by chance that i didn't reset the machine after 15 seconds, as i usually do. [15:06] Urchlay, that sounds even worse than the AND [15:06] how do i exclude a file on a egrep [15:07] but more importantly, what the fuck has happened the tux? his beak is attached via a string? [15:07] yesyes, that's taz [15:07] tux is on holiday [15:07] yesyes: that is Taz.. he is fulling in for Tux during the .29 series [15:07] no, it's handy. A lot of loops begin by zeroing both registers, you can save 2 cycles + 2 bytes of code by using the illegal load-both-registers [15:07] here's a funky one: "AND memory with stack pointer, transfer result to accumulator, [15:07] X register and stack pointer. [15:07] wsp4th, --exclude ? [15:08] hah, nice. [15:08] thornheart: remember that Tux has been at work non stop since sometime around 2.4 [15:08] yesyes: ^^ [15:08] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [15:08] yesyes, so after 30 secs you an read text in console? [15:08] that is something like 10 years at work [15:09] Urchlay, I see that it is useful but Im wondering how it would work. a LOAD from two cells in a single fetch? [15:10] dive, yeah i see the console, in the new res, after about 30 seconds. it's likely this was the case before - i just didn't wait 30 seconds. [15:10] yesyes, have you tried compiling kernel yet? [15:10] slackytude: the data bus gets the contents of a single memory byte, and inside the CPU, both the accumulator and X register are "live" on the internal CPU bus, so they both get the same data from the external bus [15:10] before as in even before i upgraded to -current. [15:11] Urchlay, the last one is funky. Im trying to imagine what you could use it for. must be something weird. maybe a isTrue function or something. [15:11] dive: this one? no. i stopped compiling kernels years ago. [15:11] yesyes, you can compile in the radeonfb driver and try that in lilo [15:11] might work better (well doubt it could be worse) [15:11] Urchlay, ah,same data. I didnt catch that. that explains it [15:12] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] slackytude: basically the load/store instructions have opcode bits xxxxxyyy where xxxxx selects the addressing more and yyy selects the register that gets used (8 possibilities, but there are less than 8 registers), and it so happens that one of the invalid yyy values turns on both the A and X registers [15:12] s/more/mode/ [15:12] yesyes, then put an append line in lilo: video=radeonfb:1024x768@60 [15:12] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Connection timed out [15:12] Urchlay, heh, nice [15:12] well, during that 30 seconds, the system is, from what i can tell, still booting. so i can live with it. [15:12] bruc3 (n=FullT@201.59.24.206) joined ##slackware. [15:12] thanks for pointing that out, though. [15:13] Urchlay, that must have been a helluva lot of fun to debug when your X register gets wiped altho you just wanted to load the akku [15:14] DefCon_1 (n=chatzill@77-59-57-195.dclient.hispeed.ch) left ##slackware. [15:14] aceofspades19 (n=sgtevans@d207-216-231-220.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [15:14] Urchlay, ever found a use for the sp AND memory? [15:14] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [15:14] hi all [15:14] no [15:14] heh [15:15] greetings gtl [15:15] dive: thanks, i'll try it. modprobe is successfully loading radeonfb, so looks promising. [15:15] ANDing the stack pointer sounds singularly useless to me, especially as the result gets stored back into the SP [15:15] greetings, fire|bird [15:15] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl11-183-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:15] IceChant|AFK (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Success [15:15] Urchlay, ah, thought you said it goes to akku [15:16] yesyes, problem with modprobe is that it comes in later. Compiling it in and using lilo makes it run at boot start. But that's some progress anyway. [15:16] it does. Also to X and SP... [15:16] O_o [15:17] strange [15:17] (X is one of the index registers, none of the 6502 regs are really general purpose) [15:17] ah, yes. was thinking about that. not sure when the kernel is able to load modules. mind you, at that point the hdd isn't even loaded, is it... [15:17] yesyes, initrd might work as well [15:17] 6809 had two user stacks [15:17] never really used them though, but I think they had uses [15:17] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:18] Urchlay, I hate that. thats why I like ARM. [15:18] different operations though [15:19] slackytude: I've looked at ARM asm, it looks like I'd really like it. One of these days I'll play around with writing a GBA game (I helped a guy debug an almost-finished one once, the bug was in his C code so I was able to find it) [15:19] Action: yesyes is reading programming from the ground up [15:19] any other good books for asm? [15:19] heh, Tannenbaum for arm asm [15:19] yesyes: there's a book on x86 assembly that actually uses Linux as the teaching environment... in a minute I might remember the title :( [15:20] programming from the ground up uses linux for the teaching env. [15:20] Urchlay, it is nice. best Ive played with altho that doesnt say much. [15:20] hm, here's one, but I think it isn't the one I was thinking about: http://www.amazon.com/Assembly-Language-Programming-Prentice-Technology/dp/0130879401 [15:21] O.O [15:21] brb ice cream truck ! [15:21] haha [15:21] hahaha [15:21] Urchlay, oi! GBA comes with ARM. didnt know that. I used to play with original gameboy. heh, Z80 [15:21] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:21] well [15:22] i just found something that has totally made every investment into learning slackware worth it [15:22] cant remeber anything of it tho [15:22] quasar: you know you have to buy something for the entire channel, right? :P [15:22] I had no clue what I was doing [15:22] heh [15:22] no wait 6809 had 2 stacks - S and U for system and user [15:22] Chakravanti, ? [15:22] slackytude: Z80 is pretty neat too. I've got a Z80 cross C compiler, the docs actually show you how to use it to compile object code to run in MAME (using the pacman driver) [15:22] dive, thats usually the case [15:22] When i play some videos in ubuntu, i have a LOT of problems with time selection, the video flakes out and has to restart if i don't let it play at normal speed through [15:23] it was something i was willing to deal with to get away from windows and never really was able ot figure out (though i never invested much time into fixing it) [15:23] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:23] Karu (n=alch@78-28-92-162.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [15:23] don't seem to have that problem at all with any of the problematic videos in slackware [15:24] any idea what the problem might have been and why i don't have it in slackware? [15:24] cuz this...is really awesomelol [15:24] Urchlay, I think the Z80 had a reputation for crashing [15:24] the problem was it was Ubuntu. :P [15:24] Chakravanti, same video player? [15:24] yeah [15:24] Chakravanti, you have found the slack ^-^ [15:24] Chakravanti: lucky you ;-) [15:25] slackytude: I doubt it was the CPUs fault. More likely the gameboy didn't have proper ventilation... [15:25] hopefully [15:25] ce [15:25] the same thing will happen when i try to get my torrents working [15:25] it will magically give me incoming connections! *crosses fingers* [15:25] Urchlay, I can't remeber really. Im prone to misplacing things.might be entie differnt cpu Im thinking of [15:26] ATTN: ##slackware - DO NOT DELETE TERMCAP [15:26] eviljames, dont sticka fork into a power outlet [15:26] eviljames: you know this because you found out the hard way? :) [15:27] woot. got me an icecream sammich :D [15:27] quasar: Where's ours? :P [15:28] I remember the ZX Spectrum had a Z80 and they suffered from heat, lack of vent too. [15:28] fire|bird: he didn't have enough for everyone, unfortunately [15:28] slackytude: don't stand outside when it's lightning. :) [15:28] quasar: Boooooo. [15:28] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] Urchlay: yup [15:28] ugh, yeah, the speccy's RAM expansion would overheat and/or come partly unplugged [15:28] quasar: You could have bought him out, he'd have been excited, the rest of the day off. :P [15:29] Urchlay: i hit ctrl-c during upgradepkg.. woops [15:29] you know, you could programm the GB with asm, c or a basic dialect ^-^ [15:29] d'oh! [15:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: "êîãäà ÿ óìåð íåáûëî íèêîãî, êòî áû ýòî îïðîâåðã" [15:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:30] slackytude: interpreted or compiled BASIC? running an interpreter on a little platform like that seems like a good way to waste your time... [15:30] Urchlay, it was compiled. It was mainly for noobs like me [15:30] are you talking about the Game Boy? can not figure out what GB means [15:30] Urchlay, coz it wasnt really that good [15:30] akira42, yes [15:31] 1/exit [15:31] shik4nt4z4 (n=pri4pus@unaffiliated/pri4pus) left irc: "leaving" [15:31] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) joined ##slackware. [15:31] y0 slava_dp [15:31] I read about someone porting Linux to the GBA [15:31] hey slackytude :) [15:31] greetings slava_dp [15:31] SpacePlod (i=SpacePlo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left ##slackware. [15:31] hi fire|bird :) [15:32] akira42: well the GBA has an ARM, I suppose you could do that... not sure what you'd use it for though [15:32] shyko: thanks for the amarok report [15:32] Urchlay, actually Im mistaken [15:32] Urchlay, it was interpreted [15:32] http://www.devrs.com/gb/files/gbbasic.html [15:32] timewarp" [15:32] timewarp! [15:32] there's this: http://www.kernelthread.com/publications/gbaunix/ [15:32] alienBOB: welcome :) [15:32] rrh (n=foo@217.75.82.130) joined ##slackware. [15:33] Urchlay, ha, great find [15:33] The script is wrong now, it used to be OK when KDE4 was still in /testing [15:33] akira42, what's the point of running linux on GBA ? [15:34] Urchlay, there are *nix port for the nintendo DS which is quite good, imho [15:34] DeeeeP: to be able to say you've done it... no practical purpose, just one of those "look at my cool hack!" things [15:34] and useful as well, sort of [15:34] ok [15:34] http://www.dslinux.org/ [15:35] http://dslinux.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/DSLinuxAsTerminal [15:36] Chakravanti, ha guess what? Just loaded Alien Arena on my desktop rig and it's using the wrong soud card. Ain't that a good one? [15:36] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:36] fogus2 (n=jspratt@24.83.96.92) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Wilblake (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [15:36] Wilblake_ (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) joined ##slackware. [15:36] that's a rip [15:37] Wilblake (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] wow. when did -current become 13.0? [15:37] I swear there is only one canstant in this universe and it's not the speed of light [15:37] It's irony [15:37] Wilblake_ (n=matheus@unaffiliated/wilblake) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:37] Kinda like Murphey's law [15:37] fogus2, its at rc [15:38] Except, that when and where irony can be be most uncanny, it will. [15:38] cool. does slackware take RPMs? do most linuxes take RPMs? [15:38] Regardless of actual probability [15:39] fogus2, it can convert them with rpm2tgz [15:39] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:39] fogus2, I used that maybe once or twice [15:39] dive did you use the linux package or compile it? [15:39] slava_dp (n=slava@167-186.static.vega-ua.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] fogus: there are RPM tools in slackware... but personally i would avoid RPM packaging on slackware [15:39] Chakravanti: Irony, by definition, only happens in uncanny situations, no? [15:40] hey slacky [15:40] I just extract the RPMS so I can manually inspect their structure and then I create a slackbuild script that operates off the extracted RPM [15:40] that way I know everything goes where it should [15:40] Yes, but by uncanny, i refer to it's ability to be present despite probability [15:40] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-28.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [15:40] echelon (i=echelon@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x2FEE914F) joined ##slackware. [15:41] greetings wsp4th, hows your project going? [15:41] It's like synchronicity. It statistically shouldn't happen but uncanny, direct parrallels occur to the mind with vivid reality that defies the concept of an external universe [15:42] Ordo ab Chao Relies entirely on the idea that chaos is inherent and order is artifical. Even stargazing we can see the absurdity of this notion [15:42] okay, ill shut up now =) [15:42] Chakravanti: actually I was kinda enjoying that [15:42] Chakravanti: bring it to ##slackofftopic, and we'll continue :D [15:42] Action: Chakravanti drinks some more coffee [15:43] Chaos always trumps order because its better organised [15:43] ok [15:43] I always figured that ordered chaos was the nature of reality [15:43] Evil will always triumph over Good because Good is dumb [15:43] hahahahah [15:43] Urchlay: Spaceballs? [15:43] aye [15:44] "Evil has a Name" *evil*james. :D [15:45] im trying to crack down on this insane network here still... they have the apache servers set for http://pastebin.com/d5eccd9e6 ... im trying to wrap my head around how many actual users the number of threads and childs can support [15:46] looks to me like they have way more threads/childs than is needed for the number of users [15:46] walmartshopper (n=walmarts@cpe-67-49-213-45.bak.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:46] Urchlay: ##slackofftopic is quite pleasant at the moment. [15:47] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.231.133) left irc: "shutdown -h" [15:48] today is the first day that i'm going to stop having caffeine for a few months [15:48] this is going to suck [15:48] I've never once been in ##slackofftopic. [15:48] I better start drinking beer early [15:48] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] antiwire: lol, good luck with that. :P [15:48] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:48] antiwire, suck! you taking part in some weird experiment? [15:49] wsp4th, whats the point of that? [15:50] cause i got 2 32g apache boxes that have only 500mb of free ram cause of all the damn apache spawns [15:50] heh [15:50] ram is cheap [15:50] eviljames: sadly, I have to stop procrastinating and start moving :( [15:51] i understand that but more than 90% of the process are sitting idle and i got php scripts timing out cause they dont have enough ram to work with and are ending up in swap [15:52] how many threads are need per session [15:52] configure:19484: found /usr/bin/m4 [15:52] configure:19496: result: /usr/bin/m4 [15:52] configure:19518: error: GNU M4 is needed [15:52] Channel flood from jeev -- kicking [15:52] gay [15:52] jeev kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [15:52] jeev (n=email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [15:53] LOL [15:53] nargon (i=mike@217.194.139.22) joined ##slackware. [15:53] wsp4th, I hope your pay is good [15:53] wsp4th, any problems with the slack machines? done with syslog.ng? [15:53] lick it necos [15:53] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:54] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [15:54] we endup going with rsyslog and are in the process of rolling it out on all the nodes... also rolling out postfix and getting rid of sendmail [15:55] rsyslog, eh? dont think I know that one [15:56] pretty neat package... can roll current syslog.conf directly in and migrate slowly the configs to be the correct ones [15:56] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:56] greetings, again, macavity. :P [15:56] wsp4th, for slackware as well? or is that a rh/centos thing? [15:57] KidpunkX (n=kidpunkx@adsl-235-218-145.mco.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:57] hi can you get the thunderbird program to output and input on 2 X servers at the same time so that you can use it from 2 computers at the same time ? [15:57] doing it across the board... rpms installs on the redhat... i built out a package for slackware x86 and 64 installs [15:57] nifty [15:58] a slackbuild would have been nice [15:58] probably will set up a slackbuild site at the end of august once i have tested and make sure that it all works [15:58] a slackbuild site? [15:58] nargon (i=mike@217.194.139.22) left ##slackware. [15:59] will a slackbuild posting excuse me... been up all night [15:59] heh [15:59] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] nheco (n=PISTAO@200-203-111-165.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:59] hence my asking about apache... had one of the nodes quit processing php files with no errors logged [15:59] wsp4th, probably better asked in #apache [16:00] it would start executing them but would fail along the way and just time out [16:00] and not log anything [16:00] but would run fine at other times? [16:01] up until last night yea... even bounced the node and still did it [16:01] strange [16:01] i currently have the node offline cause it wont process anything [16:01] oh, great [16:01] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] makerc (n=makerc@200-158-27-104.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:01] hackedhe1d (n=hackedhe@pool-96-228-123-89.albyny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] so if our primary apache dies we are SOL [16:02] yah, just great [16:02] it was the second node in a active/active failover cluster and using F5s to loadbalance [16:03] Fedora? [16:03] F5s? [16:03] no Slackware [16:03] F5s are a hardware load balancer/proxy [16:03] ah, ok [16:04] http://www.f5.com/products/big-ip/ [16:05] hackedhe2d (n=hackedhe@pool-96-228-127-193.albyny.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Im afk, fecthing some grub [16:06] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [16:06] Nick change: hackedhe2d -> hackedhead_ [16:06] makerc (n=makerc@unaffiliated/makerc) left irc: Client Quit [16:06] hackedhead (n=hackedhe@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Nick collision from services. [16:06] Nick change: hackedhead_ -> hackedhead [16:06] pistao (n=PISTAO@200-203-65-181.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:08] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:10] shpendk (n=shpendk@80.80.162.252) joined ##slackware. [16:11] LOL.. man this week has been full of interesting news. http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/30/1641202 [16:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: SendQ exceeded [16:12] amusing ... :) [16:13] i think piratebay should get all the ip adresses of judges and MPAA/RIAA and block only those [16:13] the scanner only works as root [16:14] Pig_Pen: LOL, that'd be great. [16:14] can you help? [16:14] Pig_Pen: I think they should just shut down for a month or so and show all these assholes how much they actually rely on them. [16:14] agentc0re|work: WTF?! aren't those guys in jail? [16:15] Anybody from the netherlands and want to explain how your court system got as fscked as it is? [16:15] Next thing we're going to start seeing is these guys suing Linux Distro Lead Administrators and wanting them to stop producing their distro... [16:15] SlackNeo: in /etc/group add your username to some lines, like scanner, plugdev, [16:15] eviljames: Nope. I thought they lost the Sweedish ruling though... not sure what the punishment was though. [16:16] Pig_Pen: I did [16:16] but it does not work [16:16] logged out and back in since then? [16:16] You know i can't help but think of fight club right now. [16:16] agentc0re|work: They lost the swedish ruling, then found out that the judge in the case belongs to a copyright lobby group. BIASED? [16:17] as biased as it can get [16:17] Pig_Pen: yes [16:17] Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We cook your meals, we haul your trash, we connect your calls, we drive your ambulances. We guard you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us. [16:17] agentc0re|work, this is the best post: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1320677&cid=28884681 [16:17] lol [16:17] eviljames: I thought the biased judgement was dropped though.. [16:17] pistao: [16:17] only works as root [16:17] Pig_Pen: [16:18] dive: LOL!! [16:18] why ? [16:18] agentc0re|work: It has been appealed, last I checked.. I'll have to look into it. [16:18] let me go look at the other PC for a second, i got the scanner to work without root on that one [16:18] uid=501(pistao) gid=20(staff) groups=20(staff), [16:19] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [16:20] SlackNeo: add yourself to uucp in /etc/group [16:20] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-143-196.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:20] Pig_Pen let me see [16:21] To fit the situation: Look, the people you are after are the people you depend on. We install your Internet, we administer your email, we support your pc, we build your networks. We WATCH you while you sleep. Do not... fuck with us. [16:21] Pig_Pen: nop [16:21] s/fuck/fsck :D :D [16:22] Pig_Pen: i add ?? [16:22] hackedhe1d (n=hackedhe@pool-96-228-123-89.albyny.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:22] Karu (n=alch@78-28-92-162.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [16:22] hmm, just a second, let me look at something else [16:23] agentc0re|work, the ugly side of the EU perhaps? How do cross country border court rulings affect things? [16:23] I mean there is extradition but previously unless it was a _big_ case you could tell a foreign court to f off. [16:23] Pig_Pen: ok [16:24] maybe add this line to fstab then run mount /proc/bus/usb http://pastebin.com/d22d1ec2f [16:24] and only have to worry if you actually travelled to that country. [16:24] pistao (n=PISTAO@200-203-65-181.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:25] agentc0re|work, and I do recall that the Trillian website used to have a dropdown box to input your country, so they didn't violate US export law. lol to that. [16:27] Pig_Pen: I said that it is mounted [16:29] SlackNeo, I have a script that locates scanner and sets correct permissions. One sec... [16:29] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-143-196.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left ##slackware. [16:29] Does a tiling xwm use less ram? [16:29] dive: i think the whole thing is just getting out of hand.. [16:29] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:29] SlackNeo, http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/sane/ <- scanperms [16:29] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:29] dive: sorry, I do not understand [16:30] bäck [16:30] SlackNeo, download scanperms and run it as root [16:30] SlackNeo, also you _must_ be in scanner group [16:31] dive: I'm in the group scanner [16:31] rhys (n=rhys@cpe-174-100-128-195.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:32] SlackNeo, ok, just run ./scanperms as root and it will correct permissions of scanner [16:32] SlackNeo, first chmod +x scanperms [16:33] dive: thanks [16:33] yw [16:33] SlackNeo, if it work ok then put a line to source the script in /etc/rc.d/rc.local : '. /path/to/scanperms' [16:34] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-89-167-41.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [16:34] dive: cool [16:34] Anyone? [16:34] anyone know how to configure which thingie kmix will show the slider for when you click it? [16:35] Chakravanti, probably, they tend to be lightweight [16:35] on this box it doesnt show a slider, but just logo of a mini-jack and sideways text that say InputSource3 where the slider should have been [16:35] cuz i got thi sold as shit machine i want to intstall a minimalist version of linux on [16:35] 400mgz celeron, 32mb ram, 4gb hd, cd rom [16:36] Chakravanti, use slack 10 [16:36] dive: Error: Scanner not found [16:36] I mean VERY minimalist [16:36] Chakravanti: don't run KDE or KDE apps on it, if you can avoid it [16:36] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] SlackNeo, hmm not so good then [16:36] oh yeah Urchlay...not touching KDE with a 10ft pole lol [16:36] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:36] dive: Bus 003 Device 004: ID 03f0:3f11 Hewlett-Packard PSC-1315/PSC-1317 [16:36] hey does anyone here play games? [16:36] Chakravanti: windowmaker or something like fluxbox [16:36] SlackNeo, ??? [16:37] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:37] all i really want it to do is play mp3s, run irssi, tintin++, a pdf reader, and maybe a web browser [16:37] SlackNeo, scanimage -L [16:37] Chakravanti: unless you want to go extra-minimal and not run X at all :) [16:37] but never all those at once [16:37] at most 3/time [16:37] pistao: I have problems running the scanner user [16:37] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@76.67.113.108) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [16:37] ah, never mind.. old kmixrc from the other box >_< [16:37] all of the above exist as console apps except maybe the PDF reader (granted, console web browsers aren't much fun to use for most sites these days) [16:37] can i run irssi, tintin, & play music without X11? [16:38] what's tintin? [16:38] a mud client [16:38] whats X11 [16:38] Chakravanti, irssi: yes, tintin: dunno what this, music: yes - mpg123, mplayer etc [16:38] dive: device `hpaio:/usb/psc_1310_series?serial=MY4382D28PO2' is a Hewlett-Packard psc_1310_series all-in-one [16:38] Chakravanti, then probably yes if it's console based [16:38] text based mmo [16:38] it is [16:38] dive: as root [16:38] Chakravanti: if tintin is an X app, there are other text-only MUD clients that will work on console [16:39] it's the only console app with macros [16:39] no tintin++ is a console ap [16:39] it basically just adds macro functionality to rtelnet [16:39] ah, you should be fine, if it runs inside an xterm/konsole/whatever [16:39] telnet* [16:39] i could run it and play without x [16:40] but can i multitask without x? [16:40] and what would i use to do so? [16:40] sure. Alt-F1 through Alt-F6 = switch virtual consoles [16:40] man, I used to have that rig and it was fine with slack 9 or 10 [16:40] or use screen [16:40] yeah, ++screen; [16:40] Action: Chakravanti chekcs out screeen [16:40] or splitvt :P [16:40] wow [16:40] so many options [16:40] heh [16:41] splitvt IIRC isn't much good for curses apps [16:41] Action: Chakravanti loves linux [16:41] Urchlay, nah, its not really useful but fun [16:41] i just love all the apps that will run on it :P [16:41] actually i would like to notice linux itself as little as possible [16:41] someone give Chakravanti that noobfarm screen quote [16:41] its epic [16:42] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [16:42] Chakravanti: it *is* possible to to graphics on the console without X, using the framebuffer or svgalib... there's an X-less graphical browser (elinks maybe it's called?), and mplayer will display video on the console [16:42] s/(to )to/\1do/; [16:42] i'm great at reading typos...i make so many myself on top of being dyslexic [16:42] Urchlay, links -g [16:43] and mplayer can do it too [16:43] okay [16:43] slackytude: displays images? I did not know links could do that... [16:43] probably not with 32MB [16:43] Urchlay, with -g, yeah ^-^ [16:43] actually Mesa EGL can setup DRI2 on its own when you run KMS [16:43] so i could play videos without x? [16:43] wow [16:43] the mplayer thing worked fine on my 32MB celeron 366 [16:43] hoobop (n=user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [16:43] okay [16:43] Urchlay, nice [16:43] hot damn [16:44] i'll be back for some advice in a week or so when i get it well and set up [16:44] well, not quite fine, the CPU wasn't fast enough to keep the framerate up for some codecs [16:44] well i' [16:44] ll have 33mhz on you! [16:44] lol [16:44] 34.. [16:44] lol [16:44] so it shouldn't be long before stuff like libdsl should be able run games directly in the console [16:44] 320x200 videos like you use on an ipod ought to play fine on your celeron [16:44] eh... [16:44] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.239) joined ##slackware. [16:45] and since we are using evdev for keyboard and mice now, that is probably not even that hard to do [16:45] macavity: SDL can already do that. I used to run xmame and stella that way (arcade and atari 2600 emulators) [16:45] i probably wouldnt want anything more than vizualization for the music as far as graphics go [16:45] Urchlay: nice [16:45] and that....would be like a creamcheese icing [16:45] omg [16:45] emulators... [16:45] that would be SO awesome.. [16:45] Urchlay: then when we get gallium up and running, building a "game console" withouth X should be relatively straight forward [16:45] macavity: I think maybe the SDL that ships with Slackware doesn't support it, needs recompiling with --enable-* options [16:45] Urchlay: i know that Qt can already run X-less [16:46] macavity, gallium? [16:46] yeah, Qtopia or whatever it's called [16:46] QtEmbedded [16:46] slackytude: the new driver building framework in Mesa [16:46] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [16:46] yah. used to have a Sharp Zaurus that ran embedded Qt without an X server [16:46] slackytude: *droool* [16:46] macavity, oh, hip stuff? [16:46] embedded Qt is nice [16:47] actually, Qt is nice [16:47] SlackNeo, 'chown root:scanner /proc/bus/usb/003/004' as root [16:47] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [16:47] okay so i knwo this guy right...he's an old ass fuck lawyer...won't go into why/how i know the guy but he's a packrat like you wouldn't fucking believe [16:47] slackytude: they are tuning it to use LLVM to optimize the shader instructions.. so your card will display the same graphics, but with fewer instructions [16:47] as a user I love Qt apps... as a programmer I hate that Qt is C++ (I'm more comfortable with regular old C) [16:47] slackytude: in short.. The Shit(TM) [16:48] macavity, yes, but does it run linux? [16:48] macavity, wait, wrong meme [16:48] had a house he owned with a freezer in the basement that got flooded, there was meat in the feezer and 'it spoiled' and he got the insurance to pay for all of it [16:48] slackytude: linux too... Mesa is cross platform [16:48] macavity, In russia shader optimizes you! [16:48] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [16:48] what wil really trip out is that the meat was bought in 1986 >.> [16:48] slackytude: they are among other things working on a Cell driver [16:49] macavity, cell driver? [16:49] SlackNeo, then as root 'chmod g+rw /proc/bus/usb/003/004' [16:49] but anyway...this guy is packrat like a mofo....he's got 286 machines stacked around his office cuz he cant throw anythign away [16:49] heh. Can you really eat meat that's been frozen for 20+ years? (I heard of someone finding a frozen wooly mammoth and making steaks out of it, but that may have been fiction) [16:49] slackytude: i belive Sony or IBM has coughed up big time for the development of that [16:49] macavity, oh driver for cell cpu [16:49] cpu/gpu [16:49] i mean...is there any pracitcally other than a visual antiaue for keeping something like that? [16:49] antique* [16:49] the fat content in meat will eventually spoil even when frozen solid after a year [16:50] it is to all extends equally both a CPU and a GPU [16:50] Pig_Pen I don't think he gave a shit aboutthat.....i think he was waiting for this to happen [16:50] he is a lawyer after all [16:50] macavity, so what will mensa give me, the average 386 slacker? [16:50] 286? even I don't keep 286s... I do have a stash of old ISA cards for scavenging chips from (to use in the ancient Atari computers I collect) [16:50] Pig_Pen: that depends on how hard you freeze it.. at 0K nothing spoils :P [16:50] macavity, it will, just takes really long [16:50] i still would not trust it [16:50] slackytude: if nothing else, then a bloody fast software rasterizer if you dont have modern hardware [16:51] Urchlay IK!! this guy is nutz but when i saw those things i was just like WOW [16:51] that's...almost before my time [16:51] macavity, ahh, cool [16:51] slackytude: the definition of 0K is exactly 0 molecular activity [16:51] im 27 [16:51] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:51] macavity, you wont get that [16:51] no :P [16:51] at absolute zero, nothing spoils because molecular movement stops... but IIRC, absolute zero is supposed to be impossible to actually reach (like light speed, you can spend more & more energy getting closer to it) [16:51] i would rather buy meat in small quanties that is eaten soon, i dont like old meat laying around frozen or not [16:51] shyko (n=chatzill@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.17/2009062414]" [16:51] but MAN i would overclock my CPU/GPU if i could just get it close to 10K ;-) [16:52] Pig_Pen++ [16:52] you always have weird quantum stuff going on. sort of universal backgroundnoise [16:52] exactly [16:52] Pig_Pen: the thing I never understood is gourmet restaurants selling steaks made from "aged beef" [16:52] Pig_Pen I think after the FIRST decade went by....he wasn't worried about being able to eat it and had alternative motive for keeping it [16:52] and thus, 0K is more of a definition than a reachable state [16:52] Chakravanti, might just be pathological. mad as a skunk [16:53] fogus2 (n=jspratt@24.83.96.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [16:53] But i can't imagine, that WHATEVER he collected from th insurance agency could have equalled the electricity required to freeze the meat that long [16:53] well, all meat has to be aged a little, you would not want to eat meat that was a fresh kill, (except for fish or chicken) [16:53] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [16:53] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:53] slackytude, you have no idea...guy has a 6 car garage and two whole houses so packed full of junk a tornado couldnt pick them up [16:53] a fresh kill such as beef even a steak will taste like liver [16:53] Pig_Pen: really? yuck [16:54] Chakravanti, yep, ma [16:54] Chakravanti, yep, mad [16:54] yeah, it has to age a little [16:54] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [16:54] never knew that [16:54] i have a lot of files in archive (.tar) and i access files in tar like i do files with folders, is there anything wrong with that? i dont even bother unarchiving it [16:54] slackytude: anyhow, i suggest you look up Gallium3D if you are not up to speed [16:54] missyjane, not really. you can mount those with some fuse as well [16:54] macavity, maybe, Im lazy [16:54] slackytude: it is going to form the basis of all the modern free drivers [16:54] anyway I gotta go drive 60+ miles and move boxes of stuff around. Bleah. [16:54] why would i mount my archives with fuse? D: [16:54] Action: Urchlay hates moving [16:55] macavity, nifty [16:55] missyjane, coz it the cool! [16:55] Urchlay, sucks [16:55] lol whats... whats fuse? D: [16:55] filesystem in userspace [16:55] slackytude: eg, if it has either vertex/pixel shaders units, or unified shaders, it will be build on gallium [16:55] like sshfs, curlfs [16:55] Action: Urchlay lights the fuse on a large stick of dynamite and points to it [16:55] dive: does not work [16:56] slackytude: hey, maybe you can help me name my fuse filesystem [16:56] slackytude: the REALLY cool about thing about gallium is, that once you have the gallium hadware driver, then every new graphics language you add to the gallium stack gets *automatic* hardware support [16:56] ooh [16:56] alright [16:56] Urchlay, Beowulf! [16:56] slackytude: and yes.. the Mesa fellas are working on DirectX support :P [16:56] i thought accessing files within .tar archives are bad (they arent even compressed [16:56] ) [16:56] ty slackytude :D [16:57] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:57] SlackNeo, ls -l /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [16:57] macavity, magic of LLVM [16:57] missyjane, no sweat [16:57] slackytude: you use it to mount emulator-format disk images for the Atari 8-bit, to mess with the files inside... it works by actually running an Atari emulator plus the Atari's DOS... uses expect to send/receive data to the emulator [16:57] slackytude: nope.. LLVM just optimizes the redundant rendering operations away [16:57] missyjane, hows your husband [16:57] WHAT HUSBAND?! [16:57] slackytude: you know, like dont calculate light on stuff that is not visible etc [16:58] Action: missyjane panics, screams "I HAVE A HUSBAND?!" [16:58] s/what/which [16:58] what? you have not knocked out a man and dragged him back to your lair like a cavewoman? missyjane ? [16:58] macavity, hrm [16:58] missyjane: if you dont, one will be issued to you with slackpkg --install-new upgrade-all [16:58] Action: missyjane eyes Pig_Pen [16:58] missyjane, I was at the wedding. I saw the reverend marry you [16:58] we were all here [16:58] macavity, HAHA! [16:58] there are logs you know [16:59] don't try deny ir [16:59] shit i just spit out water laughing lol brb [16:59] it [16:59] slackytude: do you happen to have the pics of the wedding night? [16:59] slackytude, you'll like this, he bought 12 (a box) bottle sof syrup because they were on sale despite the fact that thye have 5 bottles already, then she was going to work the next day and had pancakes but left her -pl;ate out cuz she was late. He put it in the feezer with saran wrap because 'the syrup was still good' [16:59] Urchlay, Im not sure. I guess you thought about atarifs ^-^. nice stuff [16:59] slackytude: you know i have a thing for gay pron ;-P [16:59] Action: missyjane shakes fist at macavity [16:59] lol that was hilarious brb [16:59] go to Los Vegas and have Elvis marry you missyjane ? [16:59] but you can't blame the guy so much he grew up depression era..but still [16:59] guy wont even through trash away without digging through it first [16:59] slackytude: "atarifs" wouldn't be specific enough (this is for the 8-bit machines, the 16-bit and 32-bit ones used FAT for a filesystem) [17:00] slackytude: the name "atr8fs" is already taken (by a dead project though) [17:00] Chakravanti, known people like him, lived with one in a flat. no pretty [17:00] Urchlay, heh, you make fuse call an emulator with expect [17:01] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:01] Urchlay: atarifs, then make sure it just calls the right driver if it detects FAT ;-) [17:01] slackytude: the really cool thing about this: it's possible to hook a real Atari floppy drive up to your serial port. And one of the emulators actually supports doing I/O with a real drive. So (with some patches to that emulator) it would be possible to use my fuse driver with real 5 1/4" floppies on a real Atari drive [17:02] dive: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 147 2009-07-30 16:42 /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:02] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:02] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8F345.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:02] SlackNeo, 'chown root:scanner /proc/bus/usb/003/004' as root [17:02] Urchlay, Im trying to remeber if there were any nicknames for the atari machines [17:02] SlackNeo, then as root 'chmod g+rw /proc/bus/usb/003/004' [17:03] Urchlay, nice way of implementing it actually. sounds like it could be done in bash [17:03] this looks like a plugdev problem [17:03] fogus2 (n=jspratt@24.83.96.92) joined ##slackware. [17:04] Urchlay, but Im not creative enough I fear. Ill give it some thought too [17:04] dive: bash-3.1# chmod g+rw /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:04] bash-3.1# ls -l /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:04] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root root 147 2009-07-30 16:42 /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:04] rg3 (n=deckard@83.231.81.239) left irc: "Leaving." [17:04] is there an equivalent to chkconfig in slackware? how can I list services? [17:04] fogus2, not really [17:04] SlackNeo, did you chown root:scanner /proc/bus/usb/003/004 ? [17:05] dive: bash-3.1# chown root:scanner /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:05] bash-3.1# ls -l /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:05] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root scanner 147 2009-07-30 16:42 /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:05] dive: yes :) [17:06] SlackNeo, ok now chmod g+rw /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:06] slackytude: well, how do you manage services and run levels? [17:06] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:06] fogus2: by being creative [17:06] fogus2, by using the scripts in /etc/rc.d [17:07] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [17:07] fogus2, rc.ntpd stop | restart [17:07] dive: bash-3.1# chmod g+rw /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:07] bash-3.1# ls -l /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:07] -rw-rw-r-- 1 root scanner 147 2009-07-30 16:42 /proc/bus/usb/003/004 [17:07] SlackNeo, now it _ought_ to work [17:07] SlackNeo, not bugging you but there is #flood or pastebin [17:07] try xsane etc [17:08] slackytude: sorry [17:08] slackytude: so there is nothing like: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/131800/ ? [17:08] dive: I do not see any change [17:08] SlackNeo, run xsane from a terminal [17:08] any errors? [17:08] fogus2, nope [17:08] fogus2, write one [17:09] SlackNeo, as user of course though [17:09] bruc3 (n=FullT@201.59.24.206) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:09] dive: No devices available [17:09] macavity, no pics, sorry [17:09] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "What the hell?" [17:09] then I think you have a backend problem [17:10] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:10] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:10] so ive got slack current on my hp mini and right now im having a bizarre issue.. [17:10] macavity, that gallium stuff looks pretty beta [17:10] my battery says it has 10min left and when i plug in my ac adapter, the screen goes black and all i can see is the cursor [17:10] as soon as i unplug it everything goes back to normal [17:10] slackytude: well, ok, if you insist. how about getting the run levels for a SINGLE deamon? [17:11] dive: I not know that can be [17:11] dive: thanks [17:11] wouldnt be the hugest issue but its happened before and right now im installing a bunch of programs so i cant let it shut down on me.. [17:11] anyone have any clue wtf? [17:12] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.151) left irc: "Leaving." [17:12] fogus2, the only useful runlevels in slack are 3 and 4. and 3 is where the services are started. those that have the executable bit set in /etc/rc.d are started [17:12] fogus2: Slackware just does not work that way [17:12] i_is_cat: a short in your laptop somewhere. [17:12] fogus2, so, you do a ls /etc/rc.d [17:12] /shrug [17:12] slackytude: it's actually done in perl, using the Expect.pm and Fuse.pm modules [17:12] i dont think a short would do that [17:13] otherwise i wouldnt see the cursor [17:13] alienBOB, sorry small and probably stupid question - is there ANY part of slackware itself that is written in python or ruby? [17:13] slackytude: writing FUSE callbacks in bash doesn't seem like fun to me (not that it's any picnic in perl either) [17:13] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.30.212) joined ##slackware. [17:13] i_is_cat: try and boot to a live cd and try it. see if the same thing happens. [17:13] pupit (n=pupit@93.86.1.151) joined ##slackware. [17:13] slackytude: wouldn't ls /etc/rc.d just list... wait. let me read up on that [17:13] i_is_cat: have you updated something recently too? [17:13] agentc0re1, its pretty random [17:13] SlackNeo, http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-HEWLETT-PACKARD doesn't list yours at all [17:13] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [17:14] well it happened on a stock -current install [17:14] but i have added some things [17:14] alienBOB, actually, is there a standalone script for the services stuff in pkgtool->setup->services? [17:14] put in kernel 2.6.30 [17:15] too bad there isn't a slackpkg download-all [17:15] i use a 945gm on this and tried to update the drivers for it [17:15] seemed to work ok, i get better fps in glxgears and such [17:15] missyjane: no, Slackware will not rely on python or ruby for it's core functionality. Just bash [17:15] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:15] dive: the scanner works as root, but not as common user [17:15] SlackNeo, did you say it works as root? [17:15] Urchlay, its nice in python. I was thinking of a locatefs [17:15] ah right [17:15] hmm [17:16] anyone knows of another OS to try aside from linux? [17:16] when i plug the power in and the screen goes black, if i move the cursor around it changes depending if its hitting a link or the edge of a window etc.. its super bizarre [17:16] dissociative, plan9, beos, minix [17:16] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] dive: yes [17:16] I was thinking about trying OpenBSD [17:16] dive: works as root [17:17] SlackNeo, ok [17:17] Urchlay, sort of like the Libraries stuff in win. Make a folder like Video and it will use locate to fill it with all files that are *.avi *wmv etc [17:17] SlackNeo, what it output of groups command as user? [17:17] dive: I want it to run as user [17:18] SlackNeo, yes I know :) [17:18] fogus2 (n=jspratt@24.83.96.92) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:18] SlackNeo, what it output of groups command as user? [17:18] Urchlay, not as much blink as your atari8bitfs [17:18] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] dive: sorry, I do not understand [17:18] so i was able to ctrl+alt+f2 then login and xinit -- :1 and then export my display to screen 1 and startkde [17:18] SlackNeo, type groups in terminal [17:18] but this is just weird.. [17:18] SlackNeo, as a user, not as root [17:18] SlackNeo: run "grep scanner /etc/group" [17:19] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [17:19] dive: bash-3.1$ groups [17:19] users floppy audio video cdrom haldaemon plugdev scanner [17:19] slackytude: eh, but my atari fs is only about 80% finished and I haven't touched it in almost a year :( [17:19] and going back to ctrl+alt+f7 just gives me the black screen with the cursor.. [17:19] slackytude: current version of it works read-only [17:19] Wake up Neo [17:19] SlackNeo: now also show the output of my commandline [17:20] sorry [17:20] SlackNeo, grep scanner /etc/group [17:20] SlackNeo: i dont see uucp in there [17:21] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:21] I think it's isn't using libusb, or it's somw weird new interface of it [17:21] Pig_Pen: not [17:21] add your username to /etc/group the uucp line [17:21] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:22] Pig_Pen: already added [17:22] did you log out and back in since then? [17:22] Pig_Pen: uucp membership to operate a scanner? [17:22] yeah [17:22] Urchlay, heh, mine is just an idea ^-^ [17:22] ..... [17:23] Urchlay, fuse rocks [17:23] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:23] i know, its weird but it works that way here [17:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [17:23] restart [17:23] works fine for me without [17:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:323) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [17:24] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [17:24] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:323) joined ##slackware. [17:24] possibly just depends on the scanner and how sane does its voodoo with it [17:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [17:26] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [17:26] so does anyone have any clue what the issue could be? is it like acpi issues or something maybe? :/ [17:26] great.. amarok can't handle local characters like æ, ø and å [17:26] Pig_Pen, what was that stuff you were telling about usbfs earlier? Did he change/remount anything? fstab for example? [17:26] that kinda sucks :P [17:26] Pig_Pen, change any perms? [17:26] macavity, that gallium stuff looks pretty beta [17:26] no [17:27] both xsane and kooka run with just a user account [17:27] i_is_cat, ? [17:28] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:28] weird.. i just unplugged the power to go back to f7 and see how far along the compiling of vlc is and apparently it failed no makepkg error then the screen went black again even without plugging in the power so i plugged it in and the screen came up then black again then i went back to f8 and now i have no wallpaper, no taskbar.. this is so fucked up [17:28] i_is_cat, gremlins [17:29] his scanimage -L is strange though, and I'm only used to working with libusb.. [17:29] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.114) joined ##slackware. [17:29] its got to be gremlins or something its so weird.. [17:29] this has happened before but i havent been installing anything so i just reboot the netbook when it does [17:29] i_is_cat, nuke it from orbit [17:30] but i've noticed that it only seems to happen when my battery reaches critical low and then i plug the power back in [17:30] if my battery is like 25% or more there is no issues.. its only when its really low [17:30] http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Groups arch linux shows uucp in /etc/group for access to serial and usb devices [17:30] does not work, thanks anyway [17:31] uucp is dead upstream, give in ;) [17:31] SlackNeo, lsmod | grep scanner [17:32] dive: nothing [17:32] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=210616 this gentoo forum shows uucp when someone was troublshooting a scanner access malfunction http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=210616 [17:32] someone knows how to setup a speedtouch 510v6 modem to allow access to a local http server? [17:33] I tried port 80 fowarding I think but it still didnt work [17:33] or I assigned port 80 to the machine that is running the web server that too [17:33] SlackNeo, sane-find-scanner ? [17:34] dive: nothing [17:34] It worked flawlessly when using PPPoE bridge [17:34] SlackNeo, weird [17:35] must eat [17:35] dive: yes :( [17:35] SlackNeo, you did that command as root ? [17:36] Richlv (n=rich@81.94.235.186) joined ##slackware. [17:37] dive: not [17:38] SlackNeo, sane-find-scanner as root [17:38] dive: works well [17:39] as root works [17:39] SlackNeo, what does it say for found... [17:39] dive: http://pastebin.com/m4506fd8c [17:40] SlackNeo, as root do: chgrp /proc/bus/usb/003/002 [17:40] oops [17:40] no [17:40] SlackNeo, as root do: chgrp scanner /proc/bus/usb/003/002 [17:41] SlackNeo, then chmod g+rw /proc/bus/usb/003/002 [17:41] both as root [17:42] clever [17:42] does xsane start as user now? [17:43] dive: I send you pictures [17:43] SlackNeo, of? [17:43] why? [17:44] :-) [17:44] Rich^ (n=rich@81.94.235.186) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:44] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl11-183-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] I need to update my script then ... [17:44] since scanimage -L doesn't always report the usb bus device numbers... [17:45] dive: as user http://img444.imageshack.us/i/user.jpg/ [17:46] dive: as root http://img204.imageshack.us/i/root.jpg/ [17:46] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleep" [17:47] dammit [17:47] SlackNeo, ls -l /proc/bus/usb/003/002 [17:47] dive: -rw-rw-r-- 1 root scanner 147 2009-07-30 15:26 /proc/bus/usb/003/002 [17:47] that's ok then [17:48] SlackNeo, can you translate that first picture? [17:48] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) joined ##slackware. [17:49] dive: No devices available [17:50] shpendk (n=shpendk@80.80.162.252) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:51] br00tal (n=jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:57] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-52-213.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:57] why don't exist the command chflags in slackware ? :( [17:58] what does it do? [17:58] isn't that a bsd thing? [17:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] SlackNeo, grep scanner /etc/group [18:00] try alienBOB's idea ;-) [18:01] damn strange though... [18:01] slackytude, change file flags [18:01] dive: scanner:x:93:neo [18:02] monstro, huh? [18:02] SlackNeo, are you logged into X as neo or root? [18:02] hmm forget that [18:02] dive: as neo [18:04] kannan (n=kannan@59.163.207.97) left irc: [18:04] I'm stumped on it [18:04] all permissions are correct [18:06] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [18:06] dive: it's slackware current [18:06] doesn't matter I think [18:07] scanner arent fun [18:07] SlackNeo, did the scanner work in 12.2? [18:07] dive: not [18:08] dive: the same problem in both [18:09] Arno[Slack] (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) joined ##slackware. [18:13] monstro (n=monstro@201-92-52-213.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [18:14] tank-man (i=1000@174.6.38.217) joined ##slackware. [18:14] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] wsp4th (i=wsp4th@208.88.85.160) left irc: Connection timed out [18:14] hiptobecubic (n=john@adsl-074-237-090-156.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:15] what dyndns do you guys use [18:15] i need it for my test slackbox [18:15] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:15] i guess ddclient [18:15] my dyndns.org account is: jeev.touches-men.com [18:15] MS3FGX (n=MS3FGX@pool-173-71-95-82.cmdnnj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] weird [18:16] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-nqzbhlbzgmstpyae) left irc: [18:16] It is a commercial enterprise, I'm jeev's pimp. [18:16] jeev.touches-men.com resolves to somewhere in san francisco with the phagocyte population [18:17] do you even know what a phagocyte is? [18:17] yea i do [18:17] really, ddclient should work just fine. [18:17] i know you just looked it up too [18:17] So you know that what you said makes no sense at all [18:17] yes i realized that [18:17] but it was a better way of saying it than faggot. [18:17] it resembles faggot but it isn't [18:17] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [18:17] Action: missyjane gulps [18:17] hi [18:17] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] evening [18:18] hrad (n=hrad@78-136-170-31.client.ufon.cz) joined ##slackware. [18:18] jeev: I thought it resolved to Camarade_Tux' vps? [18:18] hello missyjane [18:18] :> [18:19] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [18:20] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:20] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:22] SlackNeo, log out of X, log out of console, log in, startx and see if that works [18:23] hi akira42 [18:23] should I set my sata disk to ahci mode ? [18:23] dive: ok [18:24] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [18:25] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-250-248.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:26] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.21) left irc: [18:27] select "yes" if you are using plug and play capable operating system :)) [18:28] is slackware plug&play :) ? [18:29] if you plug it in hard enough [18:29] Don't you mean hrad enough? [18:29] heh [18:29] :) [18:30] setting new asus bios, never seen such an amount of options [18:31] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "You make your own luck in life." [18:31] call them and ask [18:31] akira42, :( why does it say ls: cannot access /dev/kqemu: No such file or directory? [18:32] loool [18:32] SlackNeo, still not working then? [18:33] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-79-47.w86-205.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [18:33] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:33] dive: I have not tested yet, just with sudo [18:33] missyjane, modprobe kqemu [18:33] SlackNeo, but you logged out and then in again? [18:34] try i as user [18:35] dive: ok [18:35] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left ##slackware. [18:35] and 15 minutes later he actually does it... [18:36] please, do I want to asign the IRQ DMA and memory based address fields ? [18:36] for linux [18:36] by bios [18:36] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [18:36] hrad, auto would be best [18:36] dive: lol, better late than never? :P [18:37] fire|bird, I think he's disconnected the scanner and plugged in again too, the usb device has changed.. [18:37] doesn't help [18:38] some scanners are a pain to get going. This Epson Perfection 3490 I have works flawlessly every time. [18:38] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [18:38] fire|bird, yeah same here, I have an epson [18:38] my Cannon scanner works good [18:38] works very easily [18:38] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [18:38] shit [18:38] nxserver is elite [18:38] freenx [18:39] dive: yeah, they are very nice. The brother all-in-one I have can be a pain at times. [18:39] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [18:39] anyone see on the news that little kid in the police chase, he was running from the cops because he did not want to go to church, no charges filed [18:39] lolololol [18:39] hahahaha [18:39] hrad, do not assign IRQ, DMA or Addressing unless you have good reason to, i.e. something doesn't wrk in Linux. [18:40] he was quite young, could not have been older than 9 thru 12 [18:40] Pig_Pen, got tasered? [18:40] complex_ (n=complex@adsl-76-195-161-107.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:40] =( [18:40] Nick change: complex_ -> complexmess [18:40] Pig_Pen: I remember hearing about that. He took his mom's car and took off, correct? [18:40] no, he pulled over and ran in to the garage of his home [18:40] yeah [18:40] heh [18:41] lol [18:41] might i be a bit of trouble good sirs? [18:41] How could you charge a little scamp like that! [18:41] or madames [18:41] is he called john connor? [18:41] I'd admire his yet-to-drop balls! [18:41] :D [18:41] :P [18:41] complexmess: ask away! [18:41] yeah, that was cool [18:41] what does it mean if when i type iwconfig [18:41] dive, ok and the HDD smart monitoring ? [18:41] nothing comes up? [18:41] hrad, switch that on [18:42] sorry [18:42] for not being clear [18:42] rather [18:42] it seems it let kernel see a lot of information [18:42] adtional [18:42] h/o [18:42] lemme pastebin it [18:43] hrad, SMART is a monitoring system for hard drive, can tell you if it has problems etc [18:43] when i do "ifconfig -a" i don't see a wlan0 [18:43] my question is [18:44] how do i get ifconfig to see my wireless card? [18:44] is the driver loaded? [18:44] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-9-16-6.manc.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:45] how can i tell? [18:45] lsmod [18:45] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:45] . [18:45] is there something i'm looking for exactly? [18:45] yes, the name of your wifi card driver module [18:46] <---- fairly noobish [18:46] i don't know what a driver module is [18:46] and if you don't know it check card make/model with lspci, then check to see which kernel module it needs [18:46] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:47] complexmess, by driver module we mean kernel module [18:47] probably should have said that instead [18:47] i still don't know [18:47] =P [18:47] but [18:47] supergear_ (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [18:48] you said lspci shows me the module i need? [18:48] do you know which card you have? [18:48] yes [18:48] Broadcom BCM4312 [18:48] ack [18:48] bad? [18:48] Action: dive runs [18:48] =( [18:48] dammit [18:48] could be worse [18:48] might be snakes in your room [18:48] they _used to require ndiswrapper [18:49] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [18:49] so i shouldn't run back to ubuntu just yet? [18:49] but probably kernel support now [18:49] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) joined ##slackware. [18:49] complexmess, you have kernel source installed? [18:49] i don't know [18:49] any one with aacraid raid controllers ? [18:49] ls /usr/src/linux/ [18:50] I'm surprised there is no ebtables SBo build yet [18:50] if that directory exists, then i have it installed? [18:50] complexmess, do you have /usr/src/linux/? [18:50] yes [18:50] then i do [18:50] ok [18:50] you can get around in console? [18:50] yes [18:50] know cd command for example? [18:51] i can navigate [18:51] ok, cd /usr/src/linux/ [18:51] then buckle up coz dive is gonna take your ass on a ride [18:51] then 'make menuconfig' [18:51] brb [18:51] lol [18:51] okies [18:51] chicken [18:51] lol [18:51] no [18:51] i thought it might take a while [18:51] for the make [18:51] no we just gonna have a look for your card [18:52] go to device drivers? [18:52] if it's there or not, not ging to compile anything [18:52] yes device drivers / netwwork /wireless etc [18:53] dive: and " cool 'n' quiet tunning of cpu voltage and frequenci, loading etc. ? [18:53] so do i look for the broadcom? [18:53] winger (n=verso@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [18:53] hrad, not sure about those, probably good to use them perhaps [18:53] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:53] dive and akira42 you two are miracle makers when it comes to linux :) [18:53] I'm not sure if they were thinking something else than windows and mac when they were inventing this stuff [18:54] Broadcom 43xx wireless support? [18:54] in wireless lan [18:54] i am in wireless lan [18:54] ok that's the one then [18:55] if you use arrows and go to help it will give some info and hopefully the module name [18:55] (while bc 43xx is hilighted) [18:55] how do i install it? [18:56] what do you have between the < > [18:56] ? [18:56] yes [18:56] ok that means that it's already build and installed [18:56] as a module [18:56] how can i utilize it then? [18:57] now exit out of that program, and don't save if it asks [18:57] the modprobe b43 [18:57] since that's what it said the module would be called [18:58] s/the/then [18:59] ?? [18:59] s/the/then? [18:59] are you out? [18:59] yes [18:59] and i called modprobe b43 [18:59] good, now try ifconfig -a again [19:00] nada [19:00] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [19:00] dmesg | tail [19:00] indigenous (n=indigeno@80-42-225-58.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:00] probably firmware missing? [19:00] pastebin? [19:01] sure [19:02] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] Action: slackytude waves [19:02] http://pastebin.org/5453 [19:02] i_is_cat_ (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:02] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A73BAA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "sleep" [19:03] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:03] complexmess, seems to be ok, shows no error [19:04] complexmess, can you pastebin the output from ifconfig -a please? [19:04] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: "inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris" [19:05] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] hrad (n=hrad@78-136-170-31.client.ufon.cz) left ##slackware. [19:06] yesh [19:06] one moment [19:06] http://pastebin.org/5454 [19:07] oh good security fix on bind [19:07] hmmm [19:07] lsmod | grep b43 [19:07] Action: missyjane roars [19:08] heerree kitty kitty [19:08] i'm going to guess [19:08] lsmod shows loaded modules? [19:08] yes [19:08] i'm not sure about grep though =// [19:08] =/* [19:09] grep will only print the line with b43 in it [19:09] if there is one [19:09] winger (n=E@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] http://pastebin.org/5455 [19:09] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:10] just installed XP, LILO no longer loads on startup.. there an easy fix for that? [19:10] boot up using a live disc [19:10] winger: boot off the slackware dvd/cd and reinstall lilo [19:10] Nick change: supergear_ -> Robden [19:10] and reinstall lilo [19:10] i think [19:10] =D [19:10] yeay i got it right =D [19:10] ... [19:10] use the slackware CD to boot your installed system and run lilo [19:10] ah ok [19:10] good call.. ty [19:11] oh hey...did someone already mention boot off the slackware dvd/cd and reinstall lilo? [19:11] complexmess, everything _looks_ ok so I'm not sure why it's not creating an interface.. [19:11] winger (n=E@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:11] is there a way i can manually create an interface? [19:11] read the instructions at the boot prompt when you start the CD [19:11] Nick change: Robden -> Hakudoshi [19:11] boot off slackware cd, mount /dev/bla /mnt; chroot /mnt; lilo [19:11] complexmess: what exactly are you trying to do? [19:12] just not to be left out [19:12] get my wireless up [19:12] complexmess: have you looked into wicd? [19:12] complexmess: if the driver is not creating the interface there is something wrong [19:12] oh. [19:12] wicd won't do that. :P [19:12] antiwire, he has modules loaded but no interface [19:13] he might have the wrong firmware [19:13] I'm guessing firmware [19:13] yeah [19:13] then..wrong drivers [19:13] or lacking firmware [19:13] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:13] complexmess: did oy uuse the b43cutter? [19:13] you use* [19:13] i don't know what that is [19:13] Is emacs 23 likely to be included in slack 13? [19:13] complexmess: did you install a firmware file..at all? [19:13] what have you done to get your wireless working? [19:13] and what chipset? [19:13] nathanbw: Not if I have anything to say about it! (which I don't) [19:14] i am a nub [19:14] complexmess, http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-fwcutter/ [19:14] all i've done to get it working [19:14] is what dive told me [19:14] nathanbw: and, probably will end up in patches/ at some point or another, if it isn't going to be included. [19:14] but you will need either read up a howto or perhaps someone here knows [19:14] nathanbw: Stability is the key, not bleeding edge, after all. [19:14] Does anyone know of an existing ebtables SlackBuild or should I be the lucky bastard to make one? [19:15] straterra, its broadcom, b43 module loaded but no interface [19:15] eviljames, yeah I figure I could always just grab it whenever it hits -current after 13 is released. It's got quite a few seriously killer new features... [19:15] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] nath I am a vim user. [19:15] wtf? [19:15] -e s/nath/nathanbw/ -e /s/vim/vi/ [19:16] complexmess, after intalling b43-fwcutter install this: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/ [19:16] Yeah I use vim for the quick stuff, and spend all day using kate, but I'm learning emacs slowly (for fun.) and the new --daemon mode looks schweet [19:17] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-216-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:17] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-216-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:22] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [19:23] i went afk [19:24] complexmess, have you ever used a slacbuild before? [19:24] no [19:24] When I attempt to use wicd it's giving me a message saying "this network requires encryption enabled" ... What am I misssing to set this up? wpa_supplicant is installed and working via rc.inet1 and there is stuff in /etc/wicd/encryption/templates that seems to be correct.. [19:24] i've only used debian packages [19:24] and compiled from source [19:25] Wescotte, click the arrow next to the ssid [19:25] complexmess, well a slackbuild compiles from sources too, but all the commands are in a script to make it easier [19:25] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:25] Wescotte: you need to choose wpa_supplicant or wicd. not both [19:25] disable the interface in rc.inet1.conf if you want to use wicd [19:26] complexmess, I suggest you read this first: http://slackbuilds.org/howto [19:26] ok [19:26] then you need to install two packages from http://slackbuilds.org [19:26] but what do 404's have to do with slackbuilds? [19:26] lulz [19:26] i will read up on them [19:26] now [19:26] what? [19:26] bbl [19:26] the howto gave me a 404 [19:26] add the trailing / [19:26] ... [19:26] hmm [19:26] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [19:27] yeah [19:27] okie dokes [19:27] jonsmith1982: thanks [19:27] Wescotte, I had the same trouble. [19:27] antiwire: I tried that but when I couldn't get it working I restored my rc.inet1.conf.. [19:28] Wescotte: If it works with rc.inet1.conf and not wicd you just a a wicd configuration issue [19:28] antiwire: pretty sure I just never entered a key.. had to click that arrow that I never noticed until jonsmith1982 mentioned it.. [19:29] so i'm supposed to download the source + the slackbuild correct? [19:29] ok, but you still don't want rc.inet1.conf to have a section enable for the same interface that you want wicd to control [19:29] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:29] complexmess, the source and the slackbuild.tar.gz [19:29] isnt there a way to tell apache that foo.com/bar is the same as foo.com/bar/ ? [19:29] which in this case would be [19:30] probably, apache can do damn near anything...somehow [19:30] b43-fwcutter.tar.gz and b43-fwcutter-011.tar.bz2 [19:30] untar it and move the source into the directory created and run the slackbuild as root [19:30] correct? [19:30] complexmess, yep they look like it [19:30] antiwire: will it fetch my slippers and make fresh coffee? :P [19:30] (without checking) [19:30] okie dokes [19:30] brb [19:30] macavity: I think there's a module for that [19:30] ah, right [19:31] that must require mod_lisp to work [19:31] lol [19:31] dive: package creation complete [19:31] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:32] complexmess, ok it will be in /tmp so installpkg /tmp/blabla [19:32] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [19:32] blah [19:32] the blabla is a .tgz file? [19:32] complexmess, yes [19:32] i forget, what can i do to this? http://img353.imageshack.us/i/qemu.png/ [19:33] installpkg not found.... [19:33] as root? [19:33] woopsie [19:33] =P [19:33] wait [19:33] but i did [19:33] sudo installpkg [19:33] complexmess: not in your $PATH [19:33] and it wasn't working [19:33] complexmess: not in your $PATH [19:33] complexmess: less pushing "enter" too ;) [19:33] sudo won't work withiout fill path [19:34] full* [19:34] sudo /sbin/installpkg will [19:34] ohhh, okies [19:34] complexmess: su -c 'installpkg /tmp/blahblah.tgz' [19:34] missyjane: lol :p [19:34] Action: Camarade_Tux adds sbin to his path [19:34] ty all [19:34] missyjane, 504 Gateway Time-out? [19:34] dive, ok so no errors during installation [19:35] Camarade_Tux, cheat! [19:35] BAH i hate imageshack [19:35] complexmess, ok now need to install this one: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/b43-firmware/ [19:35] hmm wicd doesn't detect the correct encyption method to use does it.. I had to manually select WEP hex at my brother's place.. [19:35] dive: no! :p [19:35] and not having ifconfig in the path is annoying [19:35] it connected but kinda sucks it doesn't properly identify what method to use.. [19:36] doesn't it show you what the network is encrypted with ? [19:36] amazon10x (i=captain@67.43.63.80) joined ##slackware. [19:36] hello [19:36] on the scan page, anyway [19:36] amazon10x: good afternoon! [19:36] and goodbye, i'm off :D [19:36] Wescotte, it tells you what encryption if any if uses though. [19:36] it says WEP but defaulted to the top in the list to use.. which was WPA 1/2 [19:37] so I had to manually select it.. kinda odd is all [19:37] wonder if that's just on the todo list.. [19:37] lets you have full control, the way i see it. [19:37] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) left irc: "leaving" [19:38] FULL CONTROL [19:38] yeah baby [19:38] more control [19:38] sooo much controooolll [19:38] dive, okie done [19:38] hah [19:39] did the same thing as i did for the fwcutter [19:39] well it seems like an app designed to control itself.. if I wanted full control I'd keep manually editing my wpa_supplicant.conf :) [19:39] complexmess, ok now run this: 'rmmod b43 && modprobe b43' [19:39] its designed to let regular users configure the network aswell. [19:40] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:40] okie [19:40] which is fine but kinda sucks when I go to places where I've never used wifi before.. booting up takes a long time too cuz it gets stuck searching.. [19:40] complexmess, now check ifconfig -a [19:40] same thing [19:40] doggammit [19:40] i wonder if my wireless switch is off <.<; [19:40] o.o [19:40] LOL [19:40] well this crappy laptop uses a very weird switch [19:41] to where i can't tell if it's on or off [19:41] it's a bush button switch [19:41] push* that doesn't always work [19:41] heh first time I encounted a laptop with a wifi switch it was off and I couldn't for the life of me figure out WHY the damn thing wasn't working [19:41] well try pushing it :P [19:41] i pushed it, but i how can i tell that it's active? [19:41] night all :) [19:41] there's no light there's no anything [19:42] gnite [19:42] complexmess, 'rmmod b43 && modprobe b43 && ifconfig -a' [19:42] already did that =P [19:42] nn Camarade_Tux [19:42] and it's no different [19:42] complexmess: dmesg might tell ya [19:42] yeah have another look at dmesg | tail [19:42] bcm43xx still completely sucks ? [19:43] Camarade_Tux, seems so... [19:43] (although it seems to be a different driver right now) [19:43] honestly, ndiswrapper will work better [19:43] is there some sort of utility that can tell me if the damn card is on or not? [19:43] might be the only option cos kernel driver doesn't seem to be working [19:43] 'iwlist s'? [19:44] h/o [19:44] eh? [19:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-216-125.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [19:45] http://www.trustedreviews.com/laptops/review/2009/02/20/Dell-Inspiron-1545/p1 [19:45] that's the thing [19:47] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) joined ##slackware. [19:47] i don't know if the switch is supposed to be controlled by the OS or by the bios [19:47] =( [19:48] since it's just a button on the keyboard [19:49] Baconizer (n=Baconize@17-173-223-66.gci.net) left ##slackware. [19:50] complexmess, it looks like you need to use ndiswrapper + windows driver but I've no experience with that [19:50] neither do i [19:50] i've done my best to avoid it [19:50] T__T [19:50] ndiswrapper is on slackbuilds.org [19:50] but I'm sure someone else here knows how to use it [19:51] tyvm for your time and assistance [19:52] yw [19:55] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:56] terabytes (n=terabyte@189.77.186.219) left irc: "Leaving" [19:56] Elionx (n=viva@adsl-145-183-116.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:57] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [20:03] MadneX (n=nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [20:04] Cesarion76 (n=Miranda@200.69.251.233) left irc: "Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org" [20:04] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [20:05] ok.. the GF is very happy with slackware ~13 [20:05] .. and i am exceptionally pissed that you need a Ph D in KDE-fu to migrate all the kde3 resources to kde4 [20:05] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [20:06] oddsock1 (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] here's the trick to migrating your kde settings... rm them [20:07] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) left irc: Client Quit [20:07] antiwire: that is not exactly a viable option for addressbooks and callenders [20:07] etc etc [20:08] anyhow, time for me to log off.. so you all behave while i am gone now, you hear me? :P [20:08] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.149.114) joined ##slackware. [20:08] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:08] oddsock1 (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:08] no pulling the nubibuntards' legs or anything like that [20:09] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [20:09] macavity (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the fish!" [20:10] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [20:10] ok so i think i'm getting somewhere with the ndiswrapper [20:11] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [20:11] when i try rc.inet1 start_wlan0 [20:11] it says it's trying to connect to Any ESSID [20:11] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [20:11] i think i've modified rc.inet1.conf appropriately [20:12] does anyone have an idea what it could be? [20:13] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] as fasr as know there's no start_wlan0 param to rc.inet1... [20:14] =/ [20:15] alrighty [20:15] well it tries to connect one wlan0 [20:15] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:15] but not the essid i told it to in rc.inet1.conf [20:15] it's wlan0_start [20:16] not start_wlan0 [20:16] complexmess, so at least ifconfig shows it now? [20:17] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [20:17] complexmess, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network&s[]=wifi [20:17] yes it does [20:17] complexmess, that's a very good article on setting up netowrking [20:18] dammit .. run out of milk [20:19] DONT LEAVE YET [20:19] please [20:19] I guess it's black coffee time [20:19] OK :P [20:19] try honey [20:19] I have an espresso machine [20:19] i've already modified rc.inet1.conf [20:19] honey instead of milk? [20:19] bullitt (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] sugar [20:19] be a man [20:19] drink your coffee black [20:20] io did htat in a previuos life; no more. [20:20] i did that * [20:20] Quiznos, I have stacks of sugar, it's milk I'm lacking [20:20] Is there a P2P file sharing program (e.g. LimeWire), that is good for slackware 12.2? [20:20] ok [20:20] frostwire [20:20] complexmess whats yer prob? [20:20] =P [20:20] i was j/k [20:20] i <3 dive [20:20] Action: dive runs [20:20] T___T [20:20] lol [20:20] Action: Quiznos oozes on dive [20:20] i still need your help with my intarwebz [20:21] dammit is it ain't bad enough with Camarade_Tux [20:21] YOU'RE ALL DEMENTED [20:21] muwahwah [20:21] complexmess, did you read that wiki? [20:21] lulz [20:21] i would [20:22] but after skimming it [20:22] i noticed that it's not telling me something i don't know already [20:22] they're coming to take me away haha [20:22] so you are connected to any essid? [20:22] quasar lol [20:22] i lub that tune [20:22] napolen IV ftw [20:23] napoleon even [20:23] dive, do you want a roll of duct tape to keep your brain from exploding? [20:23] MadneX (n=nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:23] RipVanWinkle, no I want duct tape to seal off the doors against some seriously demented people [20:23] mememmeme [20:24] me me me me [20:24] i wanna be apopinted demented [20:24] Action: dive sets mode +dd Quiznos [20:24] yay [20:24] i don't want to connect to any essid [20:24] i want to connect to my essid [20:25] twenty-twenty-twenty-four hours ago.. [20:25] increase radio powah [20:25] heh [20:25] complexmess, someone else had that problem today and I couldn't figure that one out either [20:25] frig [20:25] s.a.t.u.r d.a.y [20:25] i will try modifying rc.wireless.conf [20:25] would that do anything? [20:25] I thought it might be related to the settings in rc.wireless.conf [20:26] but he mv'd it to rc.wireless.old and it still did it [20:26] sa. tur. day. [20:26] caturday? :D [20:26] i want some explanation. [20:26] the song, saturday. spelled [20:26] PlayStation 2 Trance Vibrator driver support qqq [20:26] what the fsck is that?! [20:26] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:27] acidchild, dunno but it sounds kinky [20:27] CONFIG_USB_TRANCEVIBRATOR: Say Y here if you want to connect a PlayStation 2 Trance Vibrator device to your computer's USB port. [20:27] acidchild: sounds like something my exwife would've bought [20:27] haha. [20:27] r.e.s.p.e.c.t. [20:27] http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-m-49-en-70-2pn.html [20:28] omg it is [20:28] :D [20:28] usb vibrators? whatever next.. [20:28] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [20:28] mon. day, mon.day. [20:28] ROFL [20:28] Damn :D [20:28] jesus [20:28] wtf! [20:28] indeed [20:29] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) left ##slackware. [20:29] Moody blues; Tuesday afternoon [20:29] I wonder if they will start producing porn with force feedback now? [20:29] Simon/Garfunkel, Wednesday Morning [20:29] antiwire: this ath5k situation really blows my mind. Still no AP mode in 2.6.30.4...If I wasn't already in the process of upgrading my thinkpad, I'd have left ath5k in the dust and be using an ath9k card by now. :P [20:29] the slipcover is washable too :o [20:30] David Bowie, Thursday's child [20:30] Quiznos: stop spilling turds in the channel. It is boring [20:31] FRIGGEN SWEET [20:31] =D! [20:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:31] iwlist wlan0 scan yields results [20:31] ok; last one, Friday night Fever [20:31] chopp: have you used wlanconfig [20:31] oh and sunday, sunday (final song) [20:31] you destroy the device first, then you make one in ap mode. [20:31] that's seven [20:31] heh [20:31] complexmess, yeah but that's just a scan [20:31] chopp: unless you destroy the orginal ath5k device you can't make an AP mode. [20:32] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [20:32] the fact that the card is working makes meh happy [20:32] it means progress [20:32] wlanconfig ath create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode master [20:32] wlanconfig ath create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode sta [20:32] iwconfig ath0 channel 5 [20:32] or what ever. [20:32] that's for madwifi [20:32] acidchild: I'm using ath5k on my AP as we speak with an wireless-testing kernel [20:32] ath5k uses iw [20:32] i seeeeeeeeee. [20:36] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:40] complex_ (n=complex@adsl-76-195-161-107.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:40] dive: i'm wireless. if it really isn't trying to connect specifically to my router, then it went through all the connections and found the one with a matching WEP key [20:41] right [20:41] Nick change: complex_ -> complexmess_ [20:42] installation with ndiswrapper was really simple too [20:42] =) [20:42] thanks again [20:43] also what's the difference between rxvt and xterm? [20:45] never mind [20:47] complexmess_ (n=complex@adsl-76-195-161-107.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:47] pistao (n=PISTAO@201-89-167-41.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [20:48] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [20:48] http://www.theglobeandmail.com/video/kid-driver-didnt-want-to-go-to-church/article1235772/ here is the video, he is a good driver for such a little brat :D [20:48] nestor (n=nestor@189-015-212-078.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [20:48] is there a howto somewhere explaining how to get wifi up and running in the command line? I can do it with wicd but I want to understand how it works [20:49] lolwut: are you using encryption? [20:49] antiwire, yes [20:49] ignore the U2 video part, that will pass in a few seconds then the chase footage starts [20:49] I setup rc.inet1.conf to use wpa_supplicant.conf for all of my wireless networks, wep, wpa, plaintext [20:49] that is the easiest way to do it, imo [20:50] madnex (n=nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [20:50] nestor (n=nestor@189-015-212-078.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [20:52] where do you tell it to use wpa_sipplicant? [20:53] complexmess (n=complex@adsl-76-195-161-107.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:53] Open /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf and look at the example secitons [20:54] Bugz___ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] afk-Gutz (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] Nick change: afk-Gutz -> Gutzmek [20:56] yeah im looking at that, how do I know which my wireless card is set to, i see my card in lspci but I dont know how to look up what name its givin [20:56] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [20:56] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [20:58] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [20:59] it'd be nice if slackware64 were 32bit comptible [20:59] s/comptible/compatible [20:59] lolwut: First, is wicd still configured and running? [21:00] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:00] antiwire, yes im going to turn it off on my netbook though [21:01] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-24-3-121-83.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] lolwut: I'm writing a how to [21:03] antiwire, ok now i have it turned off, sweet thank you [21:03] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-81-66.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:03] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [21:05] Bugz_ (n=Bugz_@adsl-75-42-51-147.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:08] AbsTradE1ic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left ##slackware. [21:08] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left irc: Connection reset by peer [21:08] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) joined ##slackware. [21:09] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:09] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:09] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [21:09] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [21:10] pos winders OS [21:11] Gutzmek (n=here@ip174-70-131-136.ks.ks.cox.net) left irc: [21:12] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [21:13] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/B6jIuw69.html [21:13] loose example [21:15] so does the wireless card default to wlan0? [21:15] no [21:15] it depends on the driver [21:16] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [21:16] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) left irc: "leaving" [21:16] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [21:16] Look in that paste... [21:16] oh ok [21:16] use ifconfig and iwconfig to figure it out yourself. [21:16] i scrolled down and didnt see the part about ifconfig [21:16] lol [21:16] [clear [21:16] sorry [21:16] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:17] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [21:19] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.75.198) joined ##slackware. [21:19] is the group "power" what I need to add myself to be able to shutdown/suspend, etc [21:19] what does "group=" define? [21:19] Orion7: from the point+click menu, yes [21:19] lolwut: don't worry about that [21:20] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:20] thrice`: thanks [21:20] lolwut: it's a way to set priority groups. [21:20] what about scan_ssid? [21:21] leave it alone [21:21] Look, there is a pretty decent initial write up. Now you can read the man pages and docs for wpa_supplicant [21:22] ok, thank you [21:23] humm I just realized I'm not part of the "users" group, should I add? [21:23] matt_ (n=matt@75.138.78.87) joined ##slackware. [21:23] helloooooooooo [21:23] Orion7: yep; when you ran "adduser," and it said "we recommend you use these recommended groups" , it was a good suggestion [21:23] alienBOB: homo [21:24] thrice`: Yea I did the recommended groups, it added me to cdrom, floppy, etc [21:24] thrice`: weird stuff [21:24] Orion7: "users" is in there [21:24] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:24] matt_: awesome [21:24] antiwire, can you not use wpa-psk if your access point does not broadcast its SSID [21:24] no you can [21:24] antiwire, sorry last question [21:25] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [21:27] lolwut: set scan_ssid=1 for that section, specify the ssid="whatever" and psk="keyhere" [21:27] try that first [21:28] stupid bowl, STOP BURNING [21:28] actually, just leave scan_ssid=0 first. if it doesn't connect after then try 1 [21:28] GD pot heads [21:28] ripping off everyone! [21:28] how do they rip people off? [21:28] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [21:28] hi [21:28] Action: missyjane feels like an expert [21:29] Orion7 (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:29] missyjane: alright, I'll ask, why do you feel like an expert? [21:32] ferdna (n=ferdna@cpe-24-92-112-49.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [21:32] aww no banhammer [21:32] matt_ (n=matt@75.138.78.87) left ##slackware. [21:32] because i am making progress [21:36] antiwire: yeah, why is thaT? [21:37] for a bunch of pot heads you're pretty easy to get riled up with just a line from a song [21:38] whatcha making progress on missyjane ? [21:39] making vague statements? [21:39] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.9.97) joined ##slackware. [21:39] lol [21:39] fire|bird: howdy :) [21:39] lol [21:39] howdy BP{k}, how are you? [21:40] missyjane: progress? with your marriage to Keiffer? :P [21:41] fire|bird: not too bad :) yourself. :) [21:41] BP{k}: doing great, thank you. [21:42] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:42] stig, fire|bird no, with lfs :) [21:42] ok [21:44] who's Keiffer? [21:44] probably mr. sutherland :p [21:44] Oh i thought she liked Donald [21:44] Hakudoshi: a user that was in here the other day. Dominian married him and missyjane. :P [21:44] stig: haha [21:45] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] WB Pig_Pen, if you need help ask fire|bird [21:46] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:47] hey fire|bird i need help, make me a sandwich [21:47] and a cold beer [21:47] greetings lolwut, how may Hakudoshi help you this evening? [21:47] Pig_Pen: grilled cheese alright, that's what I'm just having. :P [21:48] LOL WHAT?! [21:48] naw, i want salami with cheddar with mustard on whole wheat bread, with onion sliced thin, and tomato sliced thin, with potato chips [21:49] it's for a cop [21:49] lol [21:49] antiwire: Nah, then it'd be coffee and a donut. [21:49] twolf got it, fire|bird didn't [21:49] someone order a litre of cola? [21:49] lol [21:49] supertroopers [21:50] antiwire: \o/ I fail. [21:52] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:53] fire|bird: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-9D2qUHN-E [21:54] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] hey is any experienced lfs maker here? [21:58] its been a long time since I did LFS [21:59] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] missyjane: #lfs-support on irc.linuxfromscratch.org [21:59] BP{k}, bah only like 10 ppl in there and im in there right now [21:59] lol [22:00] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1279488364.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [22:00] Slackware users must be good if those Linux From Scratchers come in here asking for help [22:01] Pig_Pen, slackware IS good and slackware users are generally more knowledgeaable than most other distro users [22:01] lol im not going to ask ubuntu folks fo rhelp :| [22:02] if only [22:02] :D i am so proud to know all you slackers [22:02] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [22:02] lmao [22:02] if i had to make an analogy, slackware would be navy seal, while ubuntu would be army [22:03] missyjane: bzzt wrong [22:03] Slackware navy seal ubuntu "Cadet" training.. in college [22:03] lol :| [22:03] Dominian, hush [22:03] Action: Dominian was army :P [22:03] and it ain't easy :) [22:03] really? *drools* [22:04] army = easy :x [22:04] hah [22:04] Dominian: "no further comment2 ;) [22:04] airforce = easy [22:04] my ex had two unit run and army lagged by about 2-5 miles [22:04] staying at home = easy [22:04] coast guard = easiest [22:04] air force = chair force [22:04] coast guard = pretend force [22:04] lol [22:05] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:05] i would do military but they checked me out and said i cant [22:05] cause of medical problems [22:05] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.9.97) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:05] i wouldve been in the marines and then ic an make fun of Dominian :D [22:06] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:07] where do you guys go to buy servers? dell is really freakin expensive [22:08] newegg [22:08] Dell [22:08] prebuilt [22:08] ^^ newegg [22:08] microcenter [22:09] freegeek [22:09] dell [22:09] looks like flash just got an updated plugin to fix that security problem http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ [22:09] i'm probably going to end up just getting the parts on newegg and building it myself; but we want to get a prebuilt if possible [22:09] amazon10x, what are you looking for in the way of a server? [22:09] amazon10x: if you're building this for a company do you want to be the one who gets blamed for a crappy build? [22:09] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-68-122.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] amazon10x : if you think that dell is really freakin expensive, then your definition of a server differs vastly from mine :) [22:09] wait, i said server but that's not really what i meant [22:10] it'll be a machine to use when messing around with a bunch of virtual machines [22:10] at least 2 cores. probably 4 or 8 [22:10] I have one with 8 cores [22:10] 16GB of ram at least, maybe 24 or more [22:10] to be honest, about 5-10 years ago dell was really really poor in their customer service and their pc sucked, i seriously dont know how dell survived, did dell really improve that much? [22:10] and a couple of HDDs [22:11] missyjane : their business branch has very good support, and i never remember their pcs sucking [22:11] amazon10x : what's your budget for that project? [22:11] Keep in mind that what you buy in a computer retail store are the value versions of various products -- Those that didn't meet spec, but passed. Server class components meet or exceeded intentions. So don't cringe at the prices right away. :P [22:11] pprkut__ (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:12] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Meckafett (n=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [22:12] ananke: not more than 2k USD. something like that [22:12] i priced out a machine on newegg. for 2.2k usd i can get 16 cores, 24GB of ram, and 8 1TB hdds [22:13] holy cow [22:13] sure. and a box of shoestrings to hold it together :) [22:13] what is this server for? [22:13] i just installed slackware and i chose not to install lilo because i already have ubuntu installed with grub, i can't get slackware to boot this is what a added to ubuntu's menu.lst http://fpaste.org/paste/20453 [22:13] we probably don't need that much power though, and i think having a prebuilt will be much preferred [22:13] all in one? That's sketchy. Better off splitting it up. [22:13] Porn server [22:13] missyjane: i work for the pentagon. it's the box that controls the nuclear missiles [22:13] :P [22:13] and it runs slackware [22:14] and you come to ##slackware for advice [22:14] ............ amazon10x really? [22:14] Go ask Obama [22:14] amazon10x : trust me. you want a normal vendor with warranty, if you're going to use it for any kind of production. you don't want to save $200 bucks up front, just to waste dozens of hours tracking problems [22:14] amazon10x, now click launch! [22:14] You need a case with a large red button? [22:15] ananke: well, prices from dell were much much higher [22:15] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] about $1000 more, and getting less stuff with it [22:15] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:15] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-2-231.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] madnex (n=nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [22:15] this won't be in production in teh sense of serving up stuff to customers though. it's just for us messing around with some VMs [22:15] amazon10x : did you look at dell outlet store? refurbs with warranty [22:15] ananke: no i haven't; i'll check it out though [22:16] I got a couple old Dell systems and they do not even look IBM-compatible [22:16] dchmelik : and what would 'ibm-compatible' look like? [22:16] i pulled up microcenter like one of you guys said; http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0291870 this at least looks reasonable [22:17] ok going to concentrate [22:17] ananke: AT or ATX form factor [22:17] thanks for talking to me guys [22:17] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [22:17] dchmelik : you do realize that there are many more form factors these days [22:17] i want to get a mini-itx to play with [22:18] or nano. stuff is freakin tiny [22:18] screw mini-itx. mac mini! :) [22:18] cool!!! when armegiddon comes we can know the nukes are in the competant hands of a fellow slacker, not just some windows boob [22:19] screw Apple [22:19] slacker missiles... hnm. [22:19] mini-itx form factor is annoying, if you rely on traditional components, including tiny, high speed fans [22:19] i was actually considering putting up a real production machine with slackware at work, but it ended up that someone else was deploying it. so it has centos now or something [22:20] Confusid (n=Confusid@70-4-59-253.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [22:20] speaking of CentOS the the head honcho at CEntOS went missing (AWOL) [22:20] yeah, apparently he's been mostly gone for like a year [22:20] Probably some sort of self administered asphyxia. No details really. [22:21] i just installed slackware and i chose not to install lilo because i already have ubuntu installed with grub, i can't get slackware to boot this is what a added to ubuntu's menu.lst http://fpaste.org/paste/20453 [22:21] crazy stuff [22:21] oh? so this is not just a recent development? [22:21] gives you a taste of what would happen if pat vanished :) [22:21] Pig_Pen: i think he has been mostly gone for a year, but he showed up to maybe one meeting or two or something [22:21] ananke: well, i was actually thinking that. if pat were hit by a bus, what would happen? would that robby guy take his place? [22:22] centos users can goto redhat [22:22] he needs to give the keys to the kingdom to someone else inside the CEntOS Developer team if he is losing interest [22:22] pprkut (i=hwiesing@slackbuilds.org) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:22] Nick change: pprkut__ -> pprkut [22:22] antiwire, thanks man I got it working!! [22:22] np [22:23] amazon10x : i think that pat's illness awhile ago resulted in some safety measures being put in place, and a few folks have administrative access to certain key areas of slackware [22:23] deco: i believe grub is included in the /extra of slackware. perhaps you can find a menu.lst in there to compare? [22:23] ama no. [22:23] er, [22:23] antiwire, is there any real bennfit to doing it that way rather then with a utility? [22:23] amazon10x: no. [22:23] amazon10x: i want to use the one i have in ubuntu i just want to add slacwkare to ubuntus grub menu.lst [22:24] lolwut: Is there any real need for any extra tool? [22:24] I'm not even close to qualified for distribution maintenance. [22:24] rworkman: oh okay. i just see your name come up a lot around slackware things [22:25] antiwire, I guess there is no need other then someone being lazy lol [22:25] is there some person who everyone would basically agree is the #2 when it comes to slack maintenance? [22:25] deco: right, but if you get the slackware package and just extract it and look in it, you can check out the menu.lst that slackware includes to see how it differs from yours in ubuntu [22:25] No. [22:26] rworkman: well... bummer [22:26] lol [22:26] There's Pat, and there's the team. As long as there's Pat, that's how it is/will be. [22:27] steiger_ (n=steiger@189.105.75.198) left irc: "Lost terminal" [22:27] It doesn't matter to the user community whether and under what circumstances or even IF a succession plan exists. If one exists, then it's out of your hands. If one doesn't exist, then it's out of your hands. [22:29] amazon10x, deco << can you chainload whatever loader is on the slack partition? [22:29] If you have a Slackware system in place that you depend on, then you can continue to maintain it even if the entire team is hit by a meteor. If that's not the case, then you're fucked already and it doesn't really matter. [22:29] amazon10x: oh ok where do i get the slacwkare package? [22:30] deco: packages.slackware.it [22:30] rworkman: good points [22:30] amazon10x: thank you very much [22:30] hmm, monoprice rocks. i'm stacking up on some cables [22:30] slacks (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [22:30] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. 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[22:42] that guy still owes me for a train set [22:42] yeah, and where's that nuclear powered monkey piloted rocket bike he promised me? [22:42] I visited the Soviet Union in 1989, the food was terrible [22:43] twolf: no freedom fries to be found anywhere? [22:43] nope [22:43] :( why do they hate freedom? [22:43] hehe [22:44] they hate fries; cuts down on the raw material for vodka production [22:44] lol [22:44] i wonder what the rationed ratio of vodka to bread was? [22:44] eviljames, they don't hate freedom... they think all men are free, but some are more free than others... [22:46] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [22:51] yxie (n=yxie@60.247.97.97) left irc: Client Quit [22:53] can someone tell me how to build a rinetd startup script that actually works? [22:54] I just did [22:54] #!/bin/sh [22:54] /usr/sbin/rinetd [22:54] and that doesn't seem to do anything. [22:54] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:00] yxie (n=yxie@60.247.97.97) joined ##slackware. [23:03] +x ? [23:06] #!/bin/sh [23:06] ah ha [23:07] <_alisonken1churc> did you background the rinetd or does rinetd background itself? [23:08] does it start without the script? [23:09] _alisonken1churc: It backgrounds itself. [23:09] is it 'rinetd up" or similar? [23:09] twolf: Yes starts just fine with command /etc/sbin/rinetd [23:09] snewp (i=slacker@cpe-69-203-220-240.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:09] usr13: are you wanting it to start at slackware startup or when you execute the script? [23:10] hoobop: Nope, just /etc/sbin/rinetd [23:10] /etc/sbin ? [23:11] twolf: I want it to start at slackware startup. [23:11] usr13: why not just put the command in /etc/rc.d/rc.local ? [23:11] ^^ that would be easiest [23:11] /usr/sbin/rinetd [23:12] ^^ seems to start it just fine from CLI [23:12] make one /etc/rc.d/rc.rinetd script if you prefer [23:12] twolf: Tried that and doesn't work either. [23:12] okay, i'm going to ask a really stupid question: did you make your bash file executable? [23:13] hoobop: Yes I did. [23:14] just thought i'd ask... sometimes it's the 'oops, i forgot' stuff [23:14] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root (/etc/rc.d/rc.rinetd ) [23:14] hoobop: I know, I know! [23:15] :) [23:15] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] try: sh /usr/sbin/rinetd [23:16] usr13: so if you put it in /etc/rc.d doesn't something in there have to call it on startup? like rc.M ? [23:16] first I just added /usr/sbin/rinetd to /etc/rc.d/rc.local and that didn't seem to work. [23:16] twolf: I don't know.... ? [23:16] is not a script this sbin/rinetd ? [23:17] do file /usr/sbin/rinetd [23:17] /usr/sbin/rinetd: ELF 32-bit LSB executable [23:17] if you put a script in /etc/rc.d/ it won't automagically run, you need to put a line in rc.local to run it [23:17] dive: O [23:18] dive: Done. Thanks all. I'll reboot and see if it works. [23:18] usr13 (n=terry@63.149.173.1) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:19] :o [23:19] dartmouth (n=dartmout@cpe-24-25-172-165.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:22] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:22] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:28] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:50] gtl (n=gustavo@189.114.203.54.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: "Leaving" [23:50] hmm [23:52] AndyL (n=alex@69.57.228.165) joined ##slackware. [23:52] hello [23:52] morning [23:52] good morning [23:52] Hello AndyL [23:52] dive: wonder if usr13's issue is in any way similar to the one I was having with rc.mysqld killing rc.M the other day [23:52] fire|bird: did you get your firewire camcorder sorted? [23:53] i am here because i am interested in starting to learn linux [23:53] twolf: no, hadn't figured out anything else with it. [23:53] AndyL: welcome [23:53] fire|bird: what /dev device are you trying to access? [23:53] quasar, possibly, would depend on that daemon he was trying to run I guess [23:53] twolf: /dev/raw1394, I can access it with kino and lives, but the quality sucks. [23:54] fire|bird: does it happen to show up in /dev/video1394 as well? [23:54] when you play it [23:54] AndyL, do you have any linux installed now, or thinking about installing? [23:55] twolf: that could easily be, when I turn the camcorder on, /dev/raw1394, /dev/video1394-0, and one other /dev/ that I can't remember atm. [23:55] fire|bird: I see [23:55] dive:i just finished downloading slackware 12.2 and getting ready to go through the slackbook to install it [23:55] everytime i restart my pc, i have to run alsaconf to configure my soundcard. otherwise i get no sound. is it possible to make the settings stick somehow? [23:56] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:56] chipster (n=chipster@zildjian.chipsnet.org) joined ##slackware. [23:56] AndyL, ok, the slackbook is very useful. You might want to read some of the other links in /topic here too. [23:56] pizzledizzle: alsactl store [23:56] ok [23:56] thanks dive [23:57] fire|bird, did you ever try that cat command on video device? [23:57] thx [23:57] dive: yeah, didn't work. :/ [23:58] fire|bird, I'm guessing that quality is fine when veiwing on TV, but is just bad in kino etc? [23:58] fire|bird: what brand of camcorder is that, just so I can avoid it if I buy one :-) [23:58] twolf, good call :-) [23:59] dive: yes, quality is great when viewing on the camcorder or tv, just doesn't record to the pc very well. [23:59] twolf: JVC [00:00] --- Fri Jul 31 2009