[00:02] oobe (proxy@unaffiliated/oobe) joined ##slackware. [00:03] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [00:03] Delahunt, wget -r ? [00:03] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [00:04] tried that, wget is being a jerk tonight [00:05] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.219) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:05] dvel_ (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:05] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [00:06] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:07] -nH -r -np --cut-dirs=X ... what I usually use [00:08] although, you might want to check out why rsync fails [00:09] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [00:10] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:11] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [00:11] mancha: ok running a openbox-session hasn't changed the error, still get it complaining about mtrr [00:12] rob0, newbie error, i think he left off trailing period [00:12] yep he did X.X [00:12] it's working for him no lol [00:12] s/no/now/ [00:13] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [00:13] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:14] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-71-59-193-120.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:15] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [00:15] ok this is interesting why does Firefox render YouTube differently then in does in Windows? [00:15] I would of thought FF in Windows and Linux by now would render websites the same and it's not [00:15] hmmm [00:16] Action: Delahunt blames windows [00:17] well no matter what OS you are on FF should look all the same [00:18] xgates, 3.6.6(firefox) and 10.1.xx(flash) on both? [00:19] FF on linux uses gtk, cairo, pango, etc. these are different engines and widget sets than those available as part of the winblowz api [00:20] that said, i see very little difference in how pages are rendered (disclaimer: i rarely come across a windows boxen) [00:24] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:25] Nick change: bgs100 -> bgs000 [00:27] knnk_ (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:30] rheault (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:31] No 3.6.4 in Slack and 3.6.3 in Windows [00:32] there is a video or image to a YouTube video that appears on the top right of the YouTube home page and depending on the browser version you get something different appear [00:32] so don't blame ff then for that [00:33] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] if youtube.com displays things based on useragent then they can have different thngs show up for linux or windows [00:33] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:34] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [00:35] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [00:36] yeah I see I guess for different user agent versions you see different [00:36] like if you have ipod [00:36] touch [00:36] hey mancha I'm running openbox-session, I still get the mtrr error [00:37] i've tried to write this little script but it's too hard for me to comprehend these double-negatives :P [00:37] BUT for FF it should all be the same no matter what 3.0x version you have [00:37] http://pastebin.com/Sgi0QMXi [00:37] :D [00:37] Xgates you have not thoroughly cleaned your fglrx install [00:37] mancha: actually on a fresh install of Slackware I had this mtrr error before I installed ATI drivers [00:37] alisonken1noc (~alisonken@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [00:38] then i dunno, bad hardware, ask for you money back :) [00:38] well actually from what I've read it's an X problem not the hardware [00:38] I only get this on Slack [00:39] oh then switch to ubuntu [00:39] :P~ [00:39] btw how can I check that all the fglrx is cleaned out? I made this as slackpacks so I would of thought when I uninstalled them through pkgtool they would of been all cleaned out [00:39] or windows [00:39] not just Ubuntu hehe I've used a lot of distros that this didn't appear on.... [00:39] Ubuntu LOL [00:40] I think it's the version of the radeon driver or x that has a bug [00:41] wait ive fixed it [00:41] Xgates, all your errors so far that i've help you fix have been user fuckups [00:41] I made the ati drivers as --buildpkg Slackware/All which makes two slackpacks to install [00:41] so my trust level for your "slackware is broken" reports is quite low right n0ow :) [00:41] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:42] I said the mtrr error appears on a fresh install of Slack [00:42] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] that doesn't mean it's not true, just that i don't buy it. grok me soldier? [00:43] well what would be missing in Slack to cause something like this? I recompiled my kernel but even on the default huge kernel it still gives the error [00:43] how can a install of Slack cause a mtrr error.... [00:43] too many variables [00:43] from what I read this is only caused by X [00:44] you have your own kernel, you switched video drivers from foss to closed (badly i might add), who knows what else youv've done... [00:44] cause if I install the ATI drivers you don't get the mtrr error, remove the drivers you do [00:44] i can fix your box but i'll charge for it, 50%of my fee up front and the rest upon completion [00:44] or sell it and get something with nvidia :D :P [00:44] mancha: I said this happened on a fresh install of Slack with nothing touched all clean [00:44] yeah i don't buy it [00:45] why not? [00:45] i just don't [00:45] well it did [00:46] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:47] mancha: I don't think you can fix it I've done a bit of research on it for the past few weeks all indicators say it's a problem with X [00:47] i wrote a little script, where do i get my candy? :D [00:47] http://pastebin.com/75aQG923 [00:47] if it wasn't a problem with X then installing the ATI drivers wouldn't change anything if it's not a video issue [00:47] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:48] because fancontrol doesnt work [00:48] so i;ve found out cpulimit can be used to prevent overheating/using fan too much by the notebook [00:48] mancha: if I had anything messed up on my box which I don't then the logs would show you the errors from the kernel or any of software foul ups but my logs are clean [00:49] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [00:49] Xgates, yeah i dunno what to tell you. I bet others here know. [00:50] btw there wasn't anything badly done about the installing of the ATI drivers I installed them the way you make slackpacks from it run as ---buildpkg Slackware/All [00:51] now granted the install of those slackpacks did seem to foobar the mesa and x server which I didn't realize and I GREATLY appreciate your help :) [00:51] darkwurm (~darkwurm@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:51] I don't know everything that's why I come here asking but I do know how to run Slack been using it on and off 10 years but yeah I might get a hiccup from time to time [00:52] but the truth is this mtrr thing has nothing to do with me [00:52] anyhow THANKS :) [00:52] Xgates no problem, ping me when i've more free time and maybe i can help figure out the other probs you have [00:52] well from what I've seen I need a different X driver [00:53] didn't mean to joke too harshly about the mtrr stuff :/ [00:53] I got no other problems it's all been just video stuff is all :) [00:53] yeah you were beating on me pretty bad LOL [00:53] np :) [00:53] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:54] well I hope in the current a new radeon driver will appear soon for me to check out and see [00:54] actually [00:54] Action: Xgates check something [00:54] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-163.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:59] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Catoptromancy (~Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [00:59] Action: Catoptromancy peeps in [01:00] hmm xf86-video-radeonhd-1.3.0.tar.gz seems to be the latest version [01:00] darn I was hoping there might be a newer version [01:01] maybe trying xf86-video-radeonhd-1.2.5.tar.gz might make an improvement [01:01] radeonhd is deprecated. use ati [01:01] ahhh [01:01] well I have ati installed at least I think I do let me checl [01:01] check [01:01] the ati driver has subsumed all the radeonhd functions [01:02] ok I have xf86-video-ati-6.13.0-i486-1 & xf86-video-radeonhd-1.3.0-i486-1 [01:02] the thing is when I ran xorgsetup it make the xorg putting in Radeon [01:02] what's xorg using? [01:02] radeon [01:03] slack put it on that [01:03] Driver "radeon" [01:03] so try "ati" ? [01:04] radeon is an alias for ati [01:04] radeonhd would be the other one [01:05] what slackware are you on? [01:05] 13.1 [01:05] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [01:05] have you considered not using an xorg.conf? [01:06] yeah I didn't use it before but then slack makes in /etc/X11 xorg.conf-vesa and then runs off that if I don't make one [01:06] Xgates: it doesn't use the one that is named -vesa [01:06] you'd have to rename it for it to be used [01:06] hmm strange I thought it did before for me [01:06] ok [01:07] let me change my xorg.conf to .old and see what happens [01:07] thanks brb [01:07] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [01:10] hi all, is the install from flashdrive pretty striaghtforward? [01:10] pretty much [01:11] boot from flashdrive [01:11] partition hard drive [01:11] run setup [01:11] hd is partitioned already [01:11] one less step then [01:11] :) [01:11] just remember what partitions are for where [01:12] sweet, i am hoping t get wicd working quickly as well [01:12] poll, do people mentally think "wick-D" or "wicked" [01:13] would say wicked...;) [01:14] i say w-i-c-d [01:14] that sounds like a radio station :) [01:14] thanks for listening to W-I-C-D rock FM [01:14] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt5-port-163.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [01:15] asarch (~asarch@189.188.145.217) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:16] lol...it is a tv station http://www.wicd15.com/ ...;) [01:16] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [01:16] haha! [01:17] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:17] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [01:18] not using the xorg.conf didn't do anything and well I tried radeonhd again but that didn't do anything again either [01:18] nope still have the mtrr [01:19] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:19] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Raggs (~c@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:23] hba (~hba@189.130.51.149) joined ##slackware. [01:23] so if it's saying radeon for the driver am I also using the ati driver as well? [01:25] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:26] fatalnix (~fatalnix@pool-64-222-237-217.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:26] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [01:28] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [01:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. 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[02:08] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) joined ##slackware. [02:11] Xgates (~Xgates@udp116220uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:12] ok kiddies Uncle Xgates is still trying to figure this out: [02:12] error setting MTRR (base = 0xf0000000, size = 0x08000000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25) [02:13] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:16] karuna (~karuna@dsl-239-38.melsa.net.id) joined ##slackware. [02:19] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:25] actually my base is ---> base=0x000000000 [02:25] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] cat /proc/mtrr shows it as: [02:26] sar@slackware:~$ cat /proc/mtrr [02:26] reg00: base=0x000000000 ( 0MB), size= 2048MB, count=1: write-back [02:26] I wonder because it says 0MB that's the problem [02:26] anyone? [02:26] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.27.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:27] I wonder if I should do this: [02:27] echo "disable=0" > /proc/mtrr [02:27] Xgates, try to pass "enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1" to your kernel. works on my box, but for a different mtrr problem. [02:27] echo "base=0x00000000 size=0x01000000 type=write-back" > /proc/mtrr [02:27] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:27] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [02:28] what ya mean pass to the kernel? [02:28] compiled in you mean? [02:28] Xgates, append to the kernel command line on boot, if it works, add to /etc/lilo.conf [02:28] no - append= line in lilo or when you reboot [02:29] ahh append= in lilo [02:30] so how would I write that in lilo? ---> append="enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1" [02:30] but first try to pass it to the kernel, in case it doesn't work, you just reboot again. [02:30] Mowah (1000@81-234-104-159-no80.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Xgates, this is how mine looks like: http://codepad.org/fQ7embWb [02:30] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:30] well with grub I know how but with lilo how would I run it bootup passed to the kernel? [02:31] you press tab at the lilo prompt, write your kernel and your parameters and press enter. [02:33] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] well I know how lilo looks for root= but how you write out the kernel for lilo? [02:34] I'm drawing a blank here lol [02:34] anyone know where i can find the patch for gtkglext that addresses it breaking with gtk2.20? (I googled first and found nothing but I know this patch exists) [02:34] run 'lilo' [02:35] when you get the lilo boot prompt, if you use the huge kernel and lilo has a line "label = huge", then type "huge " [02:35] I compiled my own kernel so I'm not using huge [02:36] Xgates, are you talking about the lilo.conf file or what you do at the cli? [02:36] I guess I should of said that as what I meant... [02:36] lilo prompt when I boot [02:36] alisonken1noc, told you. [02:36] ok, so the first entry on the boot prompt is what you used for the "label" line in lilo.conf [02:38] oh ok so if hit tab it gives a choice for the labels right, then I pick it then add to the end of the line" [02:38] ? [02:38] yes [02:38] sorry a bit dense with lilo I forgot it a bit been using grub for so long [02:40] ok do I need to put this in quotes on the prompt? --> enable_mtrr_cleanup mtrr_spare_reg_nr=1 [02:40] or just like that? [02:40] no [02:40] no quotes [02:40] just like that [02:40] k [02:40] thanks guys let me try that [02:40] brb [02:41] Xgates (~Xgates@udp116220uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [02:43] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-209.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:45] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [02:45] nope still got the mtrr error [02:48] I like using the X drivers better then from ATI but I don't like this error [02:48] don't want to damage anything [02:54] buzzin (~buzzin@c-67-161-95-177.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:54] too bad. but don't worry, you won't damage anything. [02:55] I've run this intel box for a while, until I found the fix for my mtrr. [02:56] ahhh you had it doing the same error message? [02:56] a similar one [02:57] ahhh ok [03:06] Nick change: surround1r -> surrounder [03:08] BlackLinux (~Undergrou@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [03:08] clear [03:08] XD [03:10] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-71-254-176-19.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: KVIrc Insomnia 4.0.0, revision: 4419, sources date: 20100519, built on: 2010-06-04 01:07:21 UTC http://www.kvirc.net/ [03:11] slava_dp: someone said to me to use the optional re-init in recent kernels [03:11] can any teach me on what commands to install compiz 0.8.6.. [03:11] im using slackware 1.3 [03:12] 13.1 [03:12] XFCE Windows manager [03:12] BlackLinux, compiz is installed. what you need is a configuration manager, ccsm. -> slackbuilds.org [03:12] ohh.. [03:12] i already got the ccsm on sbopkg [03:12] what should i do next? [03:12] run it? :) [03:13] is APIC stricly for smp? [03:13] haha [03:13] neat idea [03:13] well my understanding is Intel designed it for smp [03:13] thanks :) [03:14] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-16-247.kotinet.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:14] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-209.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:15] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) joined ##slackware. [03:15] good hefning [03:17] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:18] slava_dp: you know which one of these on the kernel line works? --> nolapic or noapic [03:18] both are valid [03:18] maybe my bios isn't setting apic correct cause of that mtrr [03:18] but also I wonder about this re-init option I've been told in newer kernels [03:19] i runned the ccsm [03:19] what's the downside to disabling apic? [03:19] but i think it has no effect [03:19] xD [03:19] Scuzz_ (~scuzz@s72-38-129-46.static.comm.cgocable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:19] BlackLinux, try 'compiz --replace' [03:20] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:20] aw [03:20] authentication failed [03:20] as your user [03:21] no need to su? [03:22] you are changing your wm, not root's [03:22] ahh [03:22] fatal glx_ext_texture_from_pixmap is missing [03:23] and my minimize maximize and close buttons is gone [03:23] xD [03:23] failed to manage screen [03:23] killall compiz && xfwm4 & <- will restore [03:23] no manageable screens found on display [03:25] killall compiz && xfwm4 & [03:25] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [03:26] no process killed? [03:26] run 'xfwm4 &' then. [03:27] command not found [03:27] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [03:27] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [03:27] jewbacca (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:27] ill just restart my computer [03:28] are you sure your run xfce? :) [03:28] BlackLinux (~Undergrou@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:28] lol [03:29] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:29] well noapic helped still got the mtrr error [03:30] I mean didn't help... :( [03:30] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:32] grazymax (~grazymax@host133-163-dynamic.27-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:36] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:39] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [03:42] I have a text file (xml actually) that I want to strip some data out of. Basically a few filenames. They're all formatted similar so I can grep for the prefix or suffix of the filename.. However, grep gives me the entire line which has lots of data don't want. What's an easy way to strip just the filenames themselves? and if possible only list the first instance of the filename and ignore duplicates after? [03:42] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [03:43] wescotte, probably a mix of grep | cut | head/tail [03:43] or awk [03:45] francog (francog@pdpc/supporter/professional/francog) joined ##slackware. [03:46] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:47] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.73.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:47] ok boys and girls anyone else want to take a stabe at Uncle Xgates mtrr error? [03:47] ---> error setting MTRR (base = 0x0000000, size = 0x10e00000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25). [03:49] grazymax (~grazymax@host4-159-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:49] dive: thanks [03:50] are any of you guys on lappies? which laptop is the best for slackware OOTB, especially wireless [03:51] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:51] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:51] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) joined ##slackware. [03:51] stu_: my Gateway pretty much works OOTB now.. Only thing that didn't was the wireless but that was back in the Slack12 days [03:51] does now.. [03:52] wescotte, it works now without all that ndiswrapper stuff? [03:53] my 2008 acer works well, intel centrino, just has some suspend glitches on 13.1 (was fine on 12.2). [03:53] my thinkpad works OOTB too - and I hear lots of good things about the later models too [03:53] stu_: Yep, no ndiswrapper.. However, you might wanna check the hardware as I'm sure the current gateways use a different hardware [03:53] my laptop is little over 3 years old now [03:54] thinkpads still use the annoying nub for a mouse instead of a touchpad? [03:54] okay. my only requirement is for wireless to work OOTB because i'll need to go online only through wifi [03:54] stu_, get an intel wireless. [03:55] stu_: just check what chip they use and verify it's part of the kernel now.. I don't think there are too many wireless chips that don't work out of the box anymore.. [03:55] don't go for anything else. [03:55] stu_: broadcom was the only one I was aware of that needed a ndiswrapper deal.. [03:56] I have the Intel 3945ABG chip in mine.. It took awhile but eventually it merged with the kernel so most distros it works out of box for now [03:56] Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) [03:56] yeah my dell has broadcom, i have never gotten it to work despite trying like 6 different methods [03:56] is that from not having the X intel driver installed? [03:56] I have 3945ABG too [03:56] brb [03:56] Xgates, do you have nothing to do apart from fixing the harmless mtrr error? :) [03:57] LOL [03:57] not at the moment no BOSS [03:57] is fbdev a part of the Intel driver? [03:58] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [03:58] wescotte, thinkpads have both a nipple and a pad now [04:00] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:00] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [04:03] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. 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[04:16] OpenSys (~vasco@213.63.2.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:16] lori (~lori@c-66-56-10-90.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Morn [04:16] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [04:16] nader (~nader@85.133.204.230) joined ##slackware. [04:19] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:23] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:25] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:25] Karl Dilkington. [04:25] kejen (~kejen@m232336d0.tmodns.net) joined ##slackware. [04:28] Emeau_ (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-105-222.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:28] I've got some jpg's which have some metadata desribing the rotation of the image (which direction the camera was held when the picture was taken.) I'm sure I've heard a command line tool to rotate the image to it's correction orientation and then remove the metadata describing it's old orientation. Does anyone here remember/know of a tool like that? [04:29] Dang, it's -> its, among other errors [04:29] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [04:30] nathanbw: im sure it can be done with the right ImageMagick incantation [04:30] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:32] Zordrak, good call. Found this: http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php?#auto-orient [04:32] Thanks :-) [04:34] I love ImageMagick! [04:35] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [04:36] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:36] kejen (~kejen@m232336d0.tmodns.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:37] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [04:40] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) joined ##slackware. [04:40] hm is there a way to install slack with just the .iso on the PC [04:41] You will still have to boot the installer, stu_ . So you have to create a way of booting Slackware's kernel plus associated initrd.gz file [04:41] only if the boot option has a loop mount [04:42] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Client Quit [04:42] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [04:42] stu_ - but once you managed to boot the installer, and the setup wants to know where the packages are, you can point setup to the directory containing the .ISO file. The setup takes care of loop-mounting the ISO [04:43] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [04:43] lets say my friend has a dvd reader but not a burner, and he has the slack32 .iso, and i have a slack64 dvd, can i boot up into that, then point the installer to the 32 .iso? [04:43] grazymax (~grazymax@host4-159-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:47] not recommended to mix 32/64 bit installers [04:48] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [04:48] what about booting up with my old 13.0 CD, then pointing it to 13.1's .iso, both being 32bit? [04:49] special case since libsata changed between 13.0 and 13.1 [04:49] Emeau (emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-105-222.w92-140.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:49] kays [04:50] normally it shouldn't be an issue, but libsata change means the 13.0 installer will have issues with creating proper fstab (among other things) with 13.1 [04:50] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:53] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) joined ##slackware. [04:53] BlackLinux (~Undergrou@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [04:53] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:53] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [04:54] how can i enable my compiz? [04:58] grazymax (~grazymax@host43-154-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:00] nathanbw (~nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 23.2.1 [05:00] what desktop are you using? kde? fvwm? [05:01] maybe alienBOB can fix this ---> error setting MTRR (base = 0x0000000, size = 0x10e00000, type = 1) Inappropriate ioctl for device (25). [05:01] im using XFCE [05:01] Action: Xgates goes to boot a changed kernel to see if makes a difference [05:01] brb [05:01] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [05:01] alisonken1noc: im using XFCE [05:01] BlackLinux, ok - I can't help but someone should be able to if they're online [05:02] i just want to know what is wrong because when i enabled the rotation and cube but its not rotating [05:07] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:10] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) joined ##slackware. [05:10] is there a small sized installer booting cd just so i can point the installer to slack's .iso on my other hd? [05:11] stu_, the usb imager can be modified, but it helps to know what you're doing [05:13] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [05:14] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [05:14] hey guys [05:14] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.188.226) joined ##slackware. [05:14] yo [05:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@194.186.188.226) left irc: Client Quit [05:15] I compiled FB in the kernel as a mod {M} but now when I boot up I get at the kernel saying undefined fb mode and asks me to pick another mode or scan for one [05:15] It won't let me use vga=791 or vga=790 [05:15] hey alisonken1noc [05:15] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [05:16] anyone running XFCE + Compiz? [05:16] I thought it's better to make FB a module, but I don't get why I can use vga=791 anymore, when I had it compiled in I could [05:16] Action: Xgates runs OpenBox [05:16] because it tries to change fb modes before the modules are loaded [05:17] ahhh ok so how do I overcome this? [05:17] i need to ask someone about the compiz thingy in this slackwaer [05:17] recompile with fb back in the kernel or change boot modes [05:17] BlackLinux: I don't think to many Slacker use compiz [05:17] BlackLinux, compiz thing is not a slackware-specific issue [05:18] as noted, though, there are several people in here that use eye candy with xfce, you just have to find out when they're online [05:18] and awak [05:18] awake [05:18] so what should i use? [05:18] eyecany? [05:18] alisonken1noc: boot modes you mean the vga=? [05:18] could you suggest one [05:18] Xgates, yes [05:19] I thought vga=791 and vga=790 pretty standard? [05:19] not always [05:19] alison could you suggest one should i use [05:19] I don't consider compiz to be eyecandy, rather special efffects [05:20] so xgates what should i use? [05:20] BlackLinux, not offhand, I just know several of the guys here mentioned using xfce [05:20] >.< [05:20] XD [05:20] if you boot into kde, it would be easy to check for some options, like whether cube is available with your video driver [05:20] i already uninstalling he compiz [05:20] BlackLinux: why you so concerned about compiz? It's not that great in Linux quite buggy from what I've seen [05:21] well i just want to put some thingy on XFCE to make it good look [05:21] to me in all the years I've used Linux eyecvandy means decking out the LOOKS of your box not the special effects :) [05:21] well that's the wallpaper making your icons different, changing the panel and making it transparent stuff like that [05:21] :) [05:21] Xgates, eyecandy is anything more than the basic point/click :) [05:22] yeah but the term eyecandy was coined before compiz was around that's why I say it like I do :) [05:22] hehe [05:22] ohh.. [05:22] eyecandy was in use long before computers :) [05:22] hehe [05:22] XD [05:22] goes back to "bash to fit, paint to hide" L( [05:22] :) [05:23] ok I don't get this because I use FB as a mod now it wants a different boot mode? [05:23] brb im going to restart my pc [05:23] my box i mean [05:23] BlackLinux (~Undergrou@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:23] I forgot there's a way to tell what my card supports alisonken1noc you know how I can check what I can set it for? [05:23] Xgates, it goes back to what modes the builtin console driver thinks your card can handle. not all cards report information properly [05:23] trasz (~trasz@58.wheelsystems.com) joined ##slackware. [05:24] xrandr? [05:24] is it possible to replace the default su(1) with a fully functional one, which supports '-m' option? [05:24] you can check, not sure if it works in console mode without X though [05:24] trasz, sure, just find the source and recompile [05:24] trasz: su in slack does [05:24] trasz: man su [05:25] yeah it sure looks like my card is reporting goofy from being compiled in to being a mod [05:26] hm i tried alienBOB's usbimg2disk.sh -f -i usbboot.img -o /mnt/usb and i got 'This script requires that the syslinux package is installed!' [05:26] what's syslinux package? [05:26] not sure it's xrandr [05:26] syslinux is the livecd version of lilo [05:26] ugh, now how'd i install that [05:27] stu_: you already have [05:27] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:27] alisonken1noc: the reason I made FB a mod is because this I found in X log: [05:27] Failed to load module "fbdev" (module does not exist, 0) [05:27] >.< [05:27] I thought if I made it a mod it would load the fbdev but I guess not [05:27] fbdev is in the X modules directory, not the kernel fb driver [05:27] two different things [05:27] ahhh [05:28] what X pack is it in? [05:28] fbdev to X is so you can use the framebuffer device for graphics rather than the card-specific driver [05:28] grep fbdev /var/log/packages/* [05:28] well if X is yelling for it that it can't load it then shouldn't I be using it? [05:29] Zordrak: mine doesn't. [05:29] wobbles (~huntsman@C-59-101-133-95.mel.connect.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:29] might show up as Xfbdev, not sure [05:29] Zordrak: strange thing is, su --version shows "GNU bash, version 3.1.17(2)-release (i486-slackware-linux-gnu)", wtf?! [05:29] nope - something else, n/m [05:30] well I got that: /var/log/packages/xorg-server-1.7.7-i486-1:usr/bin/Xfbdev [05:31] Zordrak: anyway, 'man su' doesn't mention -m, or any other options other than '-' and '-c'. [05:31] Zordrak: it's 12.2.0. [05:31] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [05:31] the thing is that X is saying Failed to load seems like I need it or it wants it... [05:31] if I have it then why isn't it getting loaded? [05:31] right - and that's an X module, not a kernel module [05:32] because it relies on the kernel fb module maybe? [05:32] I have FB compiled in the kernel [05:33] well, the fbdev module is only needed if you _don't_ use a card-specific driver [05:34] I wonder too if it relys on the intel driver to be there to help load it, I read something about that [05:34] and libdrm [05:35] does it matter if you make FB in the kernel compiled in or a mod? [05:37] one other thing do we need this dummy driver? [05:37] xf86-video-dummy-0.3.3-i486-1.txz [05:38] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:39] stu_: my scripts are supposed to be used on Slackware. If you did not yet install syslinux, please do so now [05:40] wow(!) slashdot runs apache 1.3.41 [05:41] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-0202.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:43] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [05:45] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-0202.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. 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[06:09] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:10] mancha, ok thanks [06:10] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [06:16] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:24] does slack 13.1 have /dev/svga ? [06:25] not mine [06:27] does seejpeg work on it? [06:30] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [06:30] hey guys [06:30] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:31] I don't get this, I was trying something so I took FB in the kernel from compiled in {*} and just changed it to a module {M} then I couldn't get FB to boot the kernel so then I go back and changed it and compiled it back in and now FB still won't work [06:32] errrr I don't get this crap it worked compiled in before so I put it back now it won't [06:32] Action: Xgates bangs head [06:33] mancha: seejpeg starts for me but fails because it fails to initialize mouse. Maybe that's because I'm using X now too, dunno [06:33] but I'm not about to close X to test this :P [06:33] Aldaron yeah i woulnd't close X to test either :) [06:34] I guess if it's installed, then it must have some chance of actually working ;) [06:34] also why is vga=791 mode listed twice in lilo? [06:34] i guess so...i thought svgalib was deprecated but i am probably wrong. people are probably forward porting changes [06:35] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [06:35] hackedhead (~hackedhea@unaffiliated/hackedhead) joined ##slackware. [06:35] DallaRosa (1000@EM114-51-212-29.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [06:35] mancha: well, if svgalib really just uses the svga standard which isn't changing a lot, then dunno why it would need changes [06:36] does anyone notice that # VESA framebuffer console @ 1024x768x64k [06:36] vga = 791 [06:36] is listed two times in their lilo.conf? [06:36] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [06:36] Aldaron because it used to create a kernel hook and that code has changed [06:36] it has? oh wait, i disabled all fb foo cos of intel driver madness. [06:36] Action: jg71 mutters and shakes fist [06:37] brb [06:38] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Pong Time Out ( 0 Seconds ) [06:38] bosth (~ben@88.235.128.42) joined ##slackware. [06:38] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:39] bosth (~ben@88.235.128.42) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:40] DallaRosa (1000@EM114-51-212-29.pool.e-mobile.ne.jp) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:42] how do i get the number of elements in array? [06:42] or what to use to count words? [06:42] WildWizard (michael@2001:44b8:3071:722:1c1:3b62:cd71:3b7e) left ##slackware. [06:43] cr3: uh.. ask in the channel that relates to the system your using to do it? [06:43] *you're [06:43] The answer is too vague cr3 [06:43] i mean cat -n can count lines [06:44] cr3: man wc [06:44] if i assign eg. list of files in a dir to a variable, how do i count them? [06:44] ok [06:44] thx [06:44] jrodger (~jrodger@27.32.19.10) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:45] cr3: you probably need http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ [06:45] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:722:1c1:3b62:cd71:3b7e) joined ##slackware. [06:47] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:48] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [06:49] ok I don't get this, I took {*} Support for frame buffer devices ---> which was originally compiled in and made it a Mod then when I booted the FB wouldn't work so then I compile back in and now it won't work [06:50] how the heck does it work one second compiled in, you just change it to a mod then come back and compile it back in and it don't work again? [06:50] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [06:50] makes no sense [06:50] crao [06:50] crap [06:50] it probably is needed before the kernel loads modules [06:50] what? [06:51] the kernel loads modules during boot when it probes the system [06:51] yes [06:51] yes [06:51] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [06:51] never_mind (~dexter@219.64.95.198) joined ##slackware. [06:51] so if you decided to take out somthing it needs before that happens then it could cause it not to behave as expected [06:52] I'm just saying it use to work when it was compiled in, then I wanted to test something so I made it a mod and then the FB wouldn't work so I put it back as a compiled in which worked before and now it's not working [06:53] then something else changed too [06:53] that is what I don't get worked one sec compiled in then I made a mod, didn't work, so I put it back compiled in now not working either [06:53] I didn't change anything else [06:54] Nick change: never_mind -> Dexter [06:54] I'm looking at in the kernel if you change it back and forth in menuconfig it doesn't change or make anything else change from compiled to mod or vice versa [06:55] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:55] ah i guess it's smart enough to hook into ram directly [06:56] no but why did it work compiled in one sec I change to mod, then back to compiled in and it's not working again? [06:56] this is all I changed [06:56] i am talking about svga stuff [06:56] from this original --> {*} Support for frame buffer devices ---> [06:56] to this ---> {M} Support for frame buffer devices ---> [06:56] then back ---> {*} Support for frame buffer devices ---> [06:57] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [06:57] well I'm saying nothing has been changed other that in the kernel [06:58] I didn't touch anything vga in the kernel [06:59] or my drivers I left everthing alone, I only touched that Support for frame buffer devices ---> from compiled to mod back to compiled [06:59] and i am saying i am not talking to you [06:59] no need to get upset about anything I'm just talking [06:59] you get bent out of shape easy, there's no need [06:59] oh i thought you thought i was responding to you [06:59] Anakin (anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. 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[07:29] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:29] hey, i need to install a couple of perl modules [07:29] is cpan a smart way of doing it? [07:29] pretty much [07:29] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [07:29] hello [07:29] zoran119: cpan or slackbuilds.org [07:29] i prefer cpan [07:30] is there someone here using openldap ? [07:30] Genk1: ish [07:30] Zordrak: from what i can undersand you cannot unistall stuff from cpan [07:30] zoran119: rm works very well [07:30] I wanna just reading the attribut userPassword of a simple entry [07:31] ldapsearch doesn't list me all attributes [07:31] Zordrak: where do i find it to rm it? [07:32] Genk1: talk to your LDAP administrator, most likely he configured the server that userPassword can not be read by normal users [07:32] zoran119: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.*/ [07:32] alienBOB, sorry I am nob to openldap.. but it seems that it's me the admin of this server :P [07:33] zoran119: specifically /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.*/i486-linux-thread-multi/ [07:33] Well then you fix it Genk1! [07:33] Fix it in slapd.conf [07:34] nian (~nian@185-155.dsl.iskon.hr) joined ##slackware. [07:34] zoran119: point being that a perl module is just a set of package-named files/dirs in site_perl [07:34] Genk1: or bind to the LDAP server with admin credentials (-D parameter) [07:34] Hey so, here's a question, if I want to do a local install, as in without connecting to the internet, what do I need on a local partition/external HDD etc. [07:35] alienBOB, right ! thank you ! I think I have found the solution [07:35] thank you [07:35] dio_ (~dio@ppp079166034033.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:35] nian: the question isnt clear.. what do you mean? I dont necessarily have a net connection on any install i perform [07:37] I mean for like, the packages, a/kde/x etc. Do I just copy the source dir from the FTP to a local partition or do I need something else on it, as in something that the installer needs for the install itself. [07:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:39] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [07:40] nian: dare i suggest simply using the install DVD may be the most simple method? [07:40] Netbook, though. [07:40] nian: otherwise you will need the content of the DVD which is identical to the content on the mirrors [07:41] nian: for the install alone, you do not require tho source/ directory [07:41] nian: you will require, however, either a USB stick or a CD drive in order to initiate the installation [07:42] nian: (or PXE server) [07:44] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:44] That's done, I boot from it, everything works, I get to the package selection, actually the source media choice, and I pick a partition where I have the source dir for the packages, and I choose the ones I need, go to full install, and it just tells me that it's done after a few seconds, which isn't true since there's no way a netbook could install that many things in a few seconds, that and nothing works after I reboot. [07:44] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:45] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.156.233) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:45] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:46] Is Slackware current stable enough? I am very happy with Slackware 13.1 anyway [07:47] then why think about using current? [07:47] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.76.131.60) joined ##slackware. [07:47] nian: you sure you picked the directory correctly? [07:47] Bleeding edge i guess. I do have Arch too but sometimes packages are broken [07:47] nian: if you don't, I believe it tells you everything is installed after seconds [07:47] dio_: -current is in the most early stages of change.. as much as its stability is probably similar to 13.1, it has no great benefit over 13.1 unless there is a specific update you require [07:48] rmielnic (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:49] You mean the source dir? Yes because, thing is, if it doesn't see the package folders the installer won't even show the choice in the selecting packages part, and this shows all of the folders being there. [07:49] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [07:49] The only thing I can think of is that the FTP transfer messed up, other then that I have no idea. [07:49] nian: that is a possibility [07:51] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [07:51] nian: if you need to be certain as to the content you have, it might be useful to download the ISO image(s) which can be confirmed accurate by md5sum.. you can then mount the iso to a directory and point at it for installation [07:51] nian: out of interest, what *exactly* are you entering when prompted for the source location? [07:52] I tried both pre mounted folder and partition, if partition it's /dev/sda1 which is the partition with thw source folder and if it's pre mounted then just /source where I mounted /dev/sda1 [07:52] when I installed a few months ago from files on the hdd, I am 95% sure I entered the wrong source location and it still showed the tree [07:52] the* [07:53] I believe you have to tell it the path to the slackware/, including that dir [07:53] one of the readmes on the disk says the path to use [07:53] Alright, I'll look it up on the FTP, if nothing I'll try mounting an ISO, which seems like a pretty good idea. [07:54] indeed.. you MUST pass the full path to the slackware/ or slackware64/ directory within the content [07:54] try this as it may well save you time and bandwidth [07:54] But that shouldn't be it since I tried with a different partition, anyway, nevermind, thanks for the ideas, hopefully this'll work out. [07:54] Gonna go try it now. [07:55] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:55] nian: /dev nodes are not validh [07:56] if the source is at /mirror/slackware/slackware-13.1/, then the path you must enter is /mirror/slackware/slackware-13.1/slackware [07:56] you replace /mirror/slackware with wherever in your filesystem the files are located as mounted [07:56] woo, I was right for once.. it's like a miracle :P [07:56] vigg (~46e683ce5@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) joined ##slackware. [07:57] vigg (~46e683ce5@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:57] yes it is, we better noobfarm it for proof. [07:58] nater (~Owner@71.89.114.58) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:59] bah.. noobfarm wouldn't appreciate the glory :P [07:59] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [07:59] But, in the source media choice menu, it has a choice for choosing a partition, and, that's just using /dev/sdxy right? I mean it should find the folder by itself, and even if it doesn't I didn't think you could just continue /dev/sdxy with a directory on the partition. [08:00] For instance /dev/sdxy/mirror/slackware etc. [08:00] nian: that statement seems extremely confused [08:00] nian: you eem to be confusing the prompt for where to install slackware for the prompt as to where to install it *from* [08:00] nian, it should say "a mounted partition" which means you already have the partition mounted somewhere [08:00] Yeah, I'm actually pretty sure either I misunderstood something you were talking about or the other way around. [08:01] mount /dev/sda1 to /source (or whichever it is), then use /source/wherever/packages/are/slackware/ [08:01] or slackware64.. the one with a/ d/ f/ etc [08:02] So.. which is it... are you being asked for where to install to.. or where to install from? What *precisely* is the text on the screen? [08:02] you should already have the partition destinations selected when it asks what partition you want to use as / [08:02] From, gimme a second to boot the nistaller again and then I'll have the entire thing in front of me. [08:04] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [08:05] vigg (~46e683ce5@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) joined ##slackware. [08:05] nian: i think i see what youre doing [08:05] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-otezepqtsjacixui) joined ##slackware. [08:05] nian: we could work on solving the method youre trying, but without being there theres no point [08:06] forget the "hard drive partition" option [08:06] use the "pre mounted directory" option [08:06] kitche (kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) joined ##slackware. [08:06] kitche (kitche@silenceisdefeat.com) left irc: Changing host [08:06] kitche (kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [08:06] vigg (~46e683ce5@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:06] Thing is, I tried it with that too. [08:06] but make sure to mount the directory either before starting the installation, or by swapping to tty2 [08:06] Did it by swapping to tty2. [08:07] at least this way you are certain of the path you are providing [08:07] after mounting make SURE you know the location of the slackware sub-directory in the source.. verify you can see the files, and then point the installer directly at that directory [08:08] Checked all of that on tty2, ls'd a few dirs just to make sure, everything was there. [08:08] vigg (~4293d54b3@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) joined ##slackware. [08:08] nian is right, you can enter a device name for an unmounted partition where the Slackware packages are. The installer will mount that partition for you [08:09] I think I'll just go with the DVD though, that seems like a really good plan for not messing things up. [08:09] alienBOB: sure.. but doesnt it assume that the source is specifically at the top level? [08:09] nian: where did you mount the directory at? [08:09] Zordrak: nope [08:09] alienBOB: eg if theres a directory at the top level under whicrh the source is stowed, it wont be found [08:09] Just /source [08:09] k [08:10] just making sure you didn't use /mnt [08:10] I install many a systems that way [08:10] I use /mnt :> [08:10] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [08:10] well, /mnt/home/ftp/slackware64-current/slackware64/ or so [08:10] alienBOB: otherwise the installer would need to actively search the directory structure for a valid installation.. [08:11] thrice`: interesting [08:11] Zordrak: you specify the path to the slackware directory, the installer does not search [08:11] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) joined ##slackware. [08:11] thrice`: never use /mnt when you are in the installer [08:11] Zordrak, since I have /home on a separate partition, and the installer sets that up already while populating fstab [08:11] alienBOB: ahh.. so that option is effectively just a mounting tool that precedes the pre-mounted directory opthion's menus [08:11] Ok yeah, my mistake I guess, just booted up the installer, and it still sees the package list even though I completely skipped that step. [08:11] dio_ (~dio@ppp079166034033.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:11] thrice`: indeed.. i got that [08:11] thrice`, good way to get messed up if you forget and format the partition :) [08:11] alienBOB, the installer already has /mnt/home/ installed [08:11] The choosing of the source media I mean. [08:11] er, mounted [08:12] alisonken1noc, indeed :) [08:12] nian: indeed.. again this suggests you are not giving it the right path [08:12] nian: yeah.. I'd mount to /source, check in /source to find the path to slackware/, and use that full path [08:12] thrice`: and what if the installer decided to umount /mnt for fs checks? [08:12] thrice`: busted :) [08:12] Yeah, I think I'll just do that. [08:13] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:13] On a windows partition now, so rebooting. [08:14] Thanks for the help. [08:14] vigg (4293d54b3@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) left ##slackware. [08:14] nian (~nian@185-155.dsl.iskon.hr) left irc: [08:15] vigg (~46e683ce5@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) joined ##slackware. [08:16] alienBOB, that would be quite rude. but if /mnt/home was there, I'd assume it would fail [08:16] Yes, but then you are to blaame [08:16] why would it unmount between the time it formats the /, mounts /mnt/home ? the next step is 'where is the slackware tree' ? [08:16] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [08:16] Bottom line. You do not use /mnt for yur own purposes while the installer runs [08:17] alienBOB, I don't manually put things to /mnt. while setting up fstab, the installer does it [08:17] alienBOB: Easy there Mr. Jobs ;) [08:17] There is a README in the installer's /mnt that tells you exactly that [08:17] rather than re-mount things, I use what is already mounted :> [08:17] trasz (trasz@58.wheelsystems.com) left ##slackware. [08:18] OK [08:18] So, /mnt/home/ftp/slackware64-current/slackware64 is there from the start [08:19] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.27.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:19] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:19] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.27.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:20] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) joined ##slackware. [08:20] I assume from the amount of time he has been gone, nian got it working and had the wrong path before [08:21] slava_dp (~slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. 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[08:25] alienBOB, well, not the start, but from the time the installer finds my /home partition, and asks where I would like to mount it for use (after formatting and choosing the / ) [08:25] but yes :) [08:26] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) joined ##slackware. [08:26] slava_dp: I was using amarok and xmms, but when they start playing a song, they cause the S/PDIF signal to drop and restart at the start of each song, causing a pop and a msecs of sound loss at the beginning of song [08:28] slava_dp: nice... I see screenshots of deadbeef and it looks like a foobar2000 clone! [08:31] slava_dp: how stable is it? [08:31] NaCl, perfect. I use it daily and have it installed on 4 computers. [08:31] anything in particular it needs as deps? [08:32] looks like nothing not already in slack [08:32] mosno (~mosno@unaffiliated/mosno) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:32] everything mentioned on SBo is optional. I didn't build any deps and it works fine with mp3s. [08:32] johndee (~id@78-106-247-67.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:32] for aac you will probably need faad or something. [08:32] I'm using deadbeef as someone had mentioned it in this channel and it's my daily player now [08:33] amarok2 is still missing some things. :/ [08:33] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-161-109.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [08:33] hio [08:34] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.27.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:34] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.27.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [08:37] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [08:39] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.27.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:39] wobbles (huntsman@C-59-101-133-95.mel.connect.net.au) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [08:40] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:40] alienBOB: I just noticed "!/bin/sh" is absent in the 1st line of /etc/rc.d/rc.serial , not terrible, but for the order... [08:41] I mean Slackware 13.1 [08:41] andrew_46 (~andrew@pdpc/supporter/active/andrew-46) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:41] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.29.39) joined ##slackware. [08:42] should be "#!/bin/sh" [08:42] don't forget the hash mark [08:44] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [08:45] is it possible to quickly hash out something? [08:45] insteaed of pressing hash arrow down left hash arrow down left... :D [08:45] cr3: no [08:45] a bit less quickly then perhaps? [08:45] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [08:45] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Quit: Meh... brb [08:46] slava_dp: got it installed, so far so good... it plays between tracks smoothly without resetting the S/PDIF (no pops or loss of beginning sound) [08:47] cr3, hash out, meaning in an editor? [08:47] slava_dp, yes [08:47] foobarz, good to hear that [08:47] # comment out things [08:47] dusankrehel (5b7ff956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.127.249.86) joined ##slackware. [08:47] cr3, in vim it's simple. [08:47] i'm listening [08:48] nader (nader@85.133.204.230) left ##slackware. [08:48] press 'V', highlight the lines you want to comment, then type :s/^/#/ [08:48] aziztcf (~aziztcf@adsl-85-217-16-247.kotinet.com) joined ##slackware. [08:48] will transform the line beginnings to #'s [08:49] sed -i 's/^/#/g' your_file.txt [08:49] he wants to comment it all out? [08:49] slava_dp, thx [08:49] a useful command in vim is '.' too. it repeats the last action, like input of '#'. so you just need to press down arrow + . :) [08:50] need to remember that [08:50] skillZ (~skillz@modemcable092.144-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [08:50] sed can do it without opening an editor :> [08:50] thrice`, sed will do all of the file, not a section. [08:50] or, sed -i 's/^#//g' file.txt to un-comment them [08:50] I assumed that's what he wanted :( [08:51] janemba (~cacao@unaffiliated/janemba) joined ##slackware. [08:51] hello [08:51] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-219-249.33-151.iol.it) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [08:51] janemba: hello [08:52] I have a question about lvm [08:52] janemba: congrats [08:53] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [08:53] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:53] it is sage to put all the partition inside lvm including boot and swap ? [08:53] Zordrak: lol I didn't ask to ask ;) [08:53] janemba: you can't put /boot in lvm and expect to boot from it [08:53] janemba: but everything else, yes, including swap [08:53] ananke, yes you can. [08:54] ananke, I have /boot / and /var on lvm which is on mdraid level1 and it works. [08:54] slava_dp: with what, grub2? [08:54] lilo [08:55] slava_dp: paste the output of your 'df' if you can, i'd be interested to see it [08:55] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [08:55] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Client Quit [08:55] hmmm...I'm insterested too [08:56] http://codepad.org/SIhYQYNk [08:56] vigg: since rc.S runs the command "sh /etc/rc.d/rc.serial start" that first line "#!/bin/sh" is not needed in rc.serial [08:56] t0mm13b (t0mm13b@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [08:57] hmm [08:57] slava_dp: so you have your lvm tools in initrd? i imagine lilo would be able to do it, since it points to actual physical addresses on the disk for both kernel and initrd. [08:57] dusankrehel (5b7ff956@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.127.249.86) left irc: Quit: cavte [08:57] for grub that's not feasible [08:57] alienBOB: thanks [08:57] ananke, sure, I have an initrd with LVM and RAID support. [08:58] that's one of those few cases where lilo is better than grub [08:58] it seems that lilo is able to do it instead of grub [08:58] :( [08:58] mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.32.15-slava -f ext4 -r /dev/myvg/root -L -R -o /boot/initrd.gz [08:58] as simple as that [08:58] janemba: i'd recommend having /boot separate. that way if you decide to change distros, or boot loader, you'll still be ok [08:59] ananke: ok I will do it :( [08:59] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. 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[09:04] echo -e "abcd\b\b\b" doesnt work for me [09:04] ok [09:04] use tput [09:05] i know it means new line [09:05] \b? it doesn't mean newline [09:05] the debian guys picked up lilo development again :) [09:05] \b means "ring my bell" [09:05] it's \a [09:05] \n means newline [09:05] thrice`: \o/ [09:05] is ring my bell a euphemmism? [09:05] thrice`: but the only thing I'd like in lilo is edit at boot [09:05] "hey darling, ring my bell" [09:06] I think it's good :) grub is in a poor state too, so having lilo being worked on is nice [09:06] cool! [09:07] \a is alarm [09:07] I converted someone from grub to lilo and after some time, he thanked me saying "thanks for showing me the simplicity of lilo" [09:07] \b backspace [09:07] man echo says so [09:07] says it all imho [09:07] \a is alarm/bell [09:07] but what do you want? [09:07] i'll read about tput [09:07] vigg (46e683ce5@xkh1g1.infr.xiaoka.com) left ##slackware. [09:07] and try maybe \t to aligne [09:07] cr3, are you in #bash already? :) [09:07] align [09:07] I don't understand what you are trying to do either [09:08] not yet slava_dp [09:08] :P [09:08] I use: tput setaf 2 && tput bold && echo Processing $f.; tput sgr0 [09:08] switches to green, bold, writes on the term and resets to regular colours [09:09] (please, don't reset to black on white background or anything "preset", that makes assumptions on the colours of the terminal) [09:10] and the "2" corresponds to ascii colours [09:12] jailbox (~laj2@0x50c62758.hsnxx4.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [09:13] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [09:15] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:16] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:21] isn't there a file in /etc that dhcpcd uses to "remember" which IP it was given last time and ask for it if available? [09:21] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:23] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:23] ezrafree (ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [09:23] ezrafree (ezra@208.67.159.229) left irc: Changing host [09:23] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) joined ##slackware. [09:24] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:25] adren: yes, its in var somewhere [09:27] adiren /var/state/dhcp/dhcpd.leases [09:28] quick question.. for doing nothing but a remote vnc session and running a desicn tool, fvwm or Windowmaker? [09:28] i have no experience of either [09:29] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [09:29] either one [09:29] flip a coin then.. [09:29] _RadioHead (~DevBox@82.114.88.11) joined ##slackware. [09:29] stuart__ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) joined ##slackware. [09:29] minimal resourlce usage is the idea [09:30] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) joined ##slackware. [09:30] Zordrak: flux? [09:30] if anything, if you're interested in something fairly responsive, i'd look at NX instead of vnc [09:30] Hello Slackers [09:30] hm.. weird? i've been getting corrupt kernel error with install cd/dvd's [09:30] choice (in *this* case) is xfce, fvwm or windowmaker [09:30] and i already redownloaded them, and burned using the same pc i used to burn 13.0 [09:30] stuart__: bad download, bad burn, bad memory, bad cpu [09:30] ananke: this is part of some serious legacy shit [09:30] wm or xfce then [09:30] wm > xfce > fvwm [09:32] newbie (5eb6034b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.182.3.75) joined ##slackware. [09:35] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. 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[09:41] stu_: a number of things. [09:41] i used a USB to transfer the file. how can i minimize breakage [09:41] buggy transfer, buggy memory, buggy cpu, buggy nic, buggy cable, buggy whatever [09:41] Anyone know how to have wolfram Alpha give me the lowest common multiple of a set of numbers? [09:41] stu_: what tool did you use to transfer it? [09:41] or any little web based tool to do it.. [09:41] ananke, from this PC, cp, to the laptop, windows [09:42] stu_: i didn't ask 'from where' or 'to where', i asked 'what tool did you use' [09:42] ah lcm() heh [09:42] uh, cp and windows copy n paste? [09:43] stu_: are you asking me how you did it? [09:43] jhw: why do I talk of the groups "optical" and "media" when the right groups are "plugdev" and "cdrom"... optical / media are deprecated or so? Just confused myself [09:43] ananke, i used the tools cp and windows [09:43] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [09:44] stu_: windows cp doesn't do much in terms of checksum matching or verifying the results. you may want to use something like rsync in linux, or another type of copy for windows [teracopy for example] [09:45] rsync ftw! [09:45] fb|jean: i have started using slackware with 12.2 and can't remember using groups optical or media since then [09:46] hm kay.. don't know what went into my mind.. [09:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [09:48] hm maybe i'll try the linux partition on the lappie to make my installation disks. what is a small dvd .iso burning program i could use? [09:49] growisofs [09:49] k thanks [09:50] stu_, see isolinux/README.TXT, it has all the needed commands. [09:51] in the slackware tree, of course. [09:52] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:53] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:55] i think something about umount /myusbfolder jamming might contribute to it too [09:55] does anyone have that problem [09:55] te (~te@74.113.242.5) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [09:56] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:57] mdraid-1 gives a nice read speed boost. [09:58] write - 40 MB/s, read - 120 MB/s [09:58] although write speed kinda sucks [10:00] heh, with disk write caching turned on, it's 130 MB/s [10:00] but XFS faq recommends disabling write caches on RAID. anyone can confirm that it should be done? [10:00] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [10:01] anyone here deploy hp proliant servers with the HP Lights-Out 100i Remote Management? [10:02] i'm wondering if i should make a dns entry for the remote managment ips [10:02] nhudson (~Name@12.131.68.50) joined ##slackware. [10:09] Ansa89 (~Ansa89@86.110.155.158) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [10:13] knnk_ (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [10:14] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:15] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:15] knnk_ (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] Ha4poon (marcin@lagoon.freebsd.lublin.pl) left ##slackware. [10:20] it would help if you don't want to try and remember which IP goes to which machine. you may want to give them something similar in names to you know which IP is the server and which IP is the management console [10:22] rafu (~leo@77.53.11.22) joined ##slackware. [10:25] Can anyone suggest a tool that will find dupicate files and allow me to interactively delete the dupes? [10:25] fdupes [10:25] i think i used it on ubuntu some time ago [10:25] Fdupes fines them fine but, it doesn't allow me to interactively delete [10:26] Fdupes just gives me a HUGE list [10:26] there is a grafical tool also [10:26] aaa ok [10:26] (I'm cleaning up a 100Tb drive with multiple backups) [10:26] =P [10:26] woow! [10:26] I know! right? [10:27] My life is hard. [10:27] 100Tb? [10:27] OOPS! a 1 TB drive.... NOT 100Tb [10:27] aaaah ok... [10:27] I wish I had 100Tb.... [10:27] 100TB hahah [10:28] Hurry up Seagate, gimme 100Tbs for less than $100! [10:28] you could write a script with the "find" and "xargs" commands [10:28] the 3tb drives are going for $250 [10:28] you can write a script to calculate md5sums and then sort them, but I'm sure there are tools out there [10:29] Yeah... I was hoping to avoid that. :( [10:29] I was going to run fdupes and create a list then use a script to run through the list.... [10:29] you have to inspect the files otherwise [10:29] but, I was hoping someone had already done the work for me. [10:30] Skywise, yeah, why clean up, just buy a larger drive lol [10:30] they prolly have but decided no one else could use it [10:30] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) joined ##slackware. [10:30] What's thier e-mail address??? I could use! [10:31] time=`/usr/bin/time -f %e sleep 3` [10:31] how to assign stderr output to a variable? [10:31] isn't is already %0 [10:32] cr3: #bash might be a better resource for these questions [10:32] ok [10:32] xxcv (~abc@c122-106-162-239.carlnfd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [10:33] Nick change: bgs000 -> bgs100 [10:36] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC693.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:41] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:42] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. 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[10:52] does not work [10:53] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:53] stderr has to be redirected to a file [10:53] well, to assign the results of a command to a variable in BASH its: variable=$(COMMAND) [10:53] 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout [10:54] it might be VARIBALE=$('COMMAND') [10:54] nope first is correct [10:54] $(command) [10:54] omg [10:54] I blame batch [10:54] alisonken1home, thx [10:56] Desiderius (~DC@ns-quad.ibisc.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115133306] [10:56] and echo $1 redrects stdin to stdout [10:56] :) [10:57] so does "cat -" :) [10:57] <--in awe of your knowledge :) [10:57] echo $1 only redirects first part of stdin [10:57] try echo $@ [10:58] Nice [10:58] How do I redirtect $ to my pocket? [10:59] arfon: redirect to file on usb stick, remove stick and put in pocket [10:59] somewhere else than in this channel :) [10:59] No not a file.... $ (money) [10:59] redirect money to file on usb stick in pocket [10:59] is there someone here who plays chess ? [11:00] been a while [11:00] I used to play chess but, then I evolved. [11:01] arfon, evolved where ? [11:01] At my house. I became a higher form of life. [11:02] arfon, do you still play it or you resign ? [11:03] it's hard to play chess and working in IT things in the same time :s [11:03] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8C97A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:04] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [11:04] For some reason, I find board games and card games tediuos [11:04] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [11:04] Did you have a simple question or are you looking for onlinechess parteners? [11:05] no my aim to know if IT and chess can catch well [11:05] uh [11:05] 'Catch well'? [11:05] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [11:05] because I think it's hard to do both in the same time [11:05] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [11:05] been so busy today with customers hammering our DB's with silly queries... not even had chance to update the topic with SSA! [11:06] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [11:06] Genk1, no worse than playing chess in the old days by snail mail [11:07] ##slackware: mode change '+o phrag' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [11:07] Topic changed on ##slackware by phrag!phrag@about/slackware/phrag: Channel Guidelines: http://is.gd/bYfOG | Channel Logs: http://is.gd/bYfRK | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://gallery.slackadelic.com | http://slackware.com/getslack | Torrent: http://is.gd/bYfM0 | Slackware 13.1 Released | Security: bind, mozilla-firefox, mozilla-thunderbird, seamonkey, cups, libtiff, libpng. [11:07] ##slackware: mode change '-o phrag' by phrag!~phrag@about/slackware/phrag [11:07] frostbolt777 (~frostbolt@24-247-183-90.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [11:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:08] alisonken1home, this is what we call online games for example one move per day !! I like it very much because it allows me to think about the 5th 6th move [11:08] thing that I find very hard in live games [11:08] yeh, some games dont require 24 hours of thought per move tho, lol [11:09] v4nelle (~van@79.107.208.218) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:09] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:09] phrag, of course no ! but as I said you have time to think about further moves [11:10] rafu (leo@77.53.11.22) left ##slackware. [11:10] is it [11:11] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:11] arfon, want to play a live game ? :) [11:13] frostbolt777 (frostbolt@24-247-183-90.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [11:14] Sorry, work just got in my way. [11:14] Stupid T1s! [11:14] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:14] hmm ok [11:14] in case you want to watch my games [11:14] Let's play Global Thermonuclaer War. [11:14] http://www.chess.com/livechess/profile/dumbix [11:14] arfon, what is this ? [11:15] [looks around] [11:15] no one? [11:15] yeah we got it but its too early to respond [11:15] still sinking in? [11:21] arfon: How about a nice game of chess? [11:22] That makes me happy [11:22] Nerd code... kinda like a secret handshake. [11:22] Wow, it's like Nerd Authenication! [11:22] :) [11:23] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:23] BTW, Nerd Authenication (TM) Microsoft Corp 2003 [11:23] jk [11:24] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:24] Guess who's bored at work? [11:24] C00re (hard@unaffiliated/c00re) joined ##slackware. [11:25] me? [11:25] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [11:25] Sorry to hear that NT [11:25] does bored at home work? [11:26] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:26] bored at work? tried to update 20 Windows XP PC's today for 6 hours ._. [11:26] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:26] felt like beeing in heaven when I booted my Box at home @.@ [11:26] Alison? You're bored at home??? If you were scripting some sort of program like... oh I don't know... Maybe a script to find duplicate files and allow the user to interactively delete dupes or some such... you wouldn't be bored. [11:27] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) joined ##slackware. [11:27] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:28] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:29] Oooh! Excitement. Attempting to bring up an IPv6 tunnel disrupted all connectivity. Our phones are VOIP, so they're rebooting also. MUCH better than last week's earthquake. [11:29] Roin, what are they up to now, SP12? or something? [11:29] arfon: SP 3 [11:29] <---HATES VoIP with a passion! [11:30] I'ma POTs man mayself. [11:30] arfon: but then there was this up date and this update caused another one and so on >.< [11:30] no - leaving in a few minutes to go fix a print issue for a friend - the bored part is making sure I'm not sidetracked and start something before I go since it's actually past my bedtime [11:30] POTS sucks for joining multiple office locations. [11:30] arfon, [11:30] Alan, that's why God made transformers [11:30] And of course, in a business environment, you have to have sort of digital phone system anyway. [11:31] Sorry to hear that A [11:31] Go to bed, printing can wait anyway [11:31] arfon, problem with transformers is phone power is blocked by transformers [11:31] arfon, not really - they can't print checks [11:32] You got that backwards Alison, Caps block power, xfmers pass it. [11:32] Alsion, that's why God made ball-point quills [11:32] arfon, only the a/c, not the dc [11:32] alisonken1home: Unless it's _my_ cheque, it doesn't matter. :-) [11:32] :) [11:32] No check for you NT! [11:33] arfon, and I have been around electronics for a while [11:33] Shcoking! [11:33] shocking even [11:33] Then I'll get on my motorcycle, and ride off into the sunset... [11:33] unless you're thinking of the a/c used for ring bells [11:34] Still a POTs man! [11:34] and isdn [11:34] first nuclear blast and all this newfangle telco stuff is just going to be piles of useless plastic [11:35] (kinda like most VoIP phones are now) [11:35] I won't probably care - I'm too close to Ottawa. [11:35] Yeah, Ottawa is SUCH a nuclear target. :) [11:36] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [11:36] Russians: Let's destroy the Canadians... [11:36] Chinese: Wut? [11:37] arfon: What, you think the EMP will knock it out but leave POTS untouched? [11:38] the relay exhanges will be fine [11:38] but i doubt theres any around still [11:39] Carbon mics are hard to kill with emp [11:39] so are lead-encased flash programmers designed for quick eeprom recovery [11:40] Such a cheerful lot, these guys... [11:40] Carbon mic smashes Lead-encase flash programmers... I WIN! (rock paper sissors) [11:41] NT, Always look on the bright side of life. [11:41] mcury (~mcury@189.24.46.129) joined ##slackware. [11:41] I'm old enough to remember when the US could destroy the World 200 times over, and the Russians only 160. After the first time, I stop caring... [11:42] arfon: Yeah, but the back-end of the PSTN system is entirely digital. [11:42] Sure, your analogue phone might not be damaged, but your PSTN provider will be dead. [11:44] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:44] arfon: I do (look on the bright side). Three bouts of cancer (kidney once, bladder twice), two heart attacks, quadruple by-pass surgery - I pretty much have to or I'd be (even more) insane. [11:45] oo.. just found (and joined) the youtube html5 beta [11:45] But, the _good_ news is that it WILL take a (thermo-)nuclear weapon to kill me. [11:46] Zordrak, using FF ? [11:46] NightTiger, are you one of those who gets a hard on because america can destroy the world more than russia ? [11:47] hey jeev, south park had its 9-11 conspiracy episode on last night [11:47] really? did they show wtc 7 falling for no reason ? [11:47] i TOTALLY believe you now, it all makes sense [11:47] jeev: No. Like I said, I lose interest after the first time. [11:47] i know deep down inside you do, behind all the sarcastic crap.. you have a brain somewhere [11:47] no, it's because of the explosives that the government planted [11:47] thrice`, oh then southpark had it wrong [11:48] oh ;( [11:48] whoever thinks the government planted explosives is a freak [11:48] i dont get people in america, more afraid of the federal government than the biggest companies [11:48] that's why when i hear someone talk about the federal government having "more power" i laugh [11:49] yea, let the biggest corporations, health and all have more power, that's all we need. [11:49] you're saying walmart has more power ? [11:49] you know what im talkin about f00 [11:49] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:49] jeev: a tyranny is when the people fear the govt; a democracy is when the govt fears the people -ben franklin [11:49] jeev, don't talk about my employer that way. we provide the public with delicious food at low pricing [11:49] wtf thrice`, thought you worked at mcd [11:49] you got a promotion? [11:50] Conspiracy theories have ALWAYS been popular - until you grow up and realize that keeping a secret for years between several people is pretty much impossible... [11:50] gnubien, people fear the government because they're blinded by the lying from the corporations [11:50] I was on strike, and taco bell recruited me [11:50] NightTiger, when you can explain the missing airplane at the pentagon and PA, then tell me why wtc 7 fell, i'll believe you [11:50] thrice`, what happened.. they cut your irc? [11:51] the american dream is the delusion that if you work hard enough, you'll be wildly successful and rich forever more [11:51] most people work themselves into the ground never gaining a step [11:51] yep, except all we do is hard enough and pay our money directly back to the banks and mercenaries [11:51] my cousins are here from the EU and are so surprised how much people work here. [11:52] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:52] jeev There was no "missing airplane" - the debris field was there until the Fire Dept. cleaned it up. Major traffic route and all that, but you won't be swayed by facts and logic. [11:53] NightTiger, do not insult my intelligence. there was never any wreckage. [11:53] when people blame 10 minutes after america needs an excuse [11:53] i'll just "pray" that the citizens in NY can get a new investigation [11:53] thrice`: uh, yeah [11:54] lol [11:54] NightTiger, so many people benefit from that, you have no idea. people conspire against one another EVERY DAY for minor things.. do you not think a major conspiracy is possible ? just cause "they can't keep quiet?" [11:54] if someone came out right now and said it wasn't the 18 hijackers whom half are STILL ALIVE, people would down play them [11:55] man, you should watch this SP episode [11:55] call them a conspiracy theorist, oreilly would put him into a spin and glen beck would call him the antichrist [11:55] i just think that its remarkable that 3 3rd world countries have concieved, planned and built the worlds tallest buildings while we haven't even finished the foundations [11:55] of the trade center [11:55] Skywise, they're tryingi to clean up the thermite dust first - duh [11:56] its in the firemens lungs and they're getting buried by the day [11:56] yea. along with the thermite dust, the sounds of the explosions beneath them while they're running up the stairs. [11:56] jeev: If you actually believe all that, I feel sorry for you. If you're just spouting to elicit a reaction, you're doing quite well. [11:56] Forget conspiracy theories when you have facts like WMD's in a foreign country proven by the intelligence communities from various credible righteous countries confirming its existence, if they can destroy several nations for a purpose, I think a couple building are a Sunday operation [11:57] WTF? [11:57] Alan_Hicks, thrice started it. [11:57] xsamurai, +1 [11:57] lol, hardly [11:57] i just called you an idiot [11:57] Action: jeev uses thrice` as a human shield from Alan_Hicks [11:58] I don't give a shit who started it. Your argument is retarded. [11:58] gniks (~sking@24.238.12.206) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:58] of course it is. [11:58] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:58] Action: phrag is sick of the idiot hammering his DBs [11:59] phrag, firewall [11:59] spent all day killing retardedly long queries [11:59] oh [11:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [11:59] phrag: load balancer , replication , memcached [11:59] can't you set a maximum on queries? [11:59] jeev: i can't.. they are an important customer... they just dont know how to run efficient queries =P [11:59] xsamurai: all of those =P [11:59] phrag, just switch them to the blackhole engine for their databases [12:00] phrag: Time for you to build a WebUI for them? [12:00] phrag, perhaps he's at war with your DB without a declaration? [12:00] stu_ (~stuartSan@175.144.248.79) joined ##slackware. [12:00] Azeotrope (JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left ##slackware. [12:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] hi, i've installed slackware but lilo screwed up. i am now booted on slack installer, and mounted /dev/sda1, but how do i set the new rootpath so i can run lilo? [12:01] phrag: hmm add more servers in the mix [12:01] i'm sure people are using some autogenerated queries where everyting is just crammed together [12:01] lilo -M [12:01] ? [12:01] lilo -M /dev/XXX [ mbr | ext ] install master boot record [12:01] fremenblue (~ryan@170.213.131.190) joined ##slackware. [12:01] sup you guys [12:01] or just boot with root=/dev/sda1 and then run lilo normally [12:01] yeh, but you'd think after i'd killed like 50 identical queries all day long.. they'd get the picture =P [12:01] oh, boot [12:02] no, they think they'd just borked something and didn't wait long enough [12:02] ugh my resolv.conf is getting overwritten every 10-15 minutes by dhcpcd, how do i stop that sheet [12:02] Entulho (~foo@sol.sj.ifsc.edu.br) joined ##slackware. [12:02] actually been going on for the last 6 hours =/ [12:02] cause you know they're clicking the whole time their waiting for the query [12:02] oh totally, i can see them stacking [12:02] i know but i need to change rootpath to my new /mnt/point because lilo only sees my installer (CD linux enviroment) [12:02] phrag: End users? No clue there - they just think it "weirded" on them, and the next one might work. [12:02] nothing i can really do but kill pids with extreme prejudice =P [12:03] so whenever i do lilo -M /dev/sda it says /boot not found or something [12:03] killing client queries is not the right way to deal with it [12:03] there should be a way to nice them [12:03] NightTiger: yeh precisely [12:03] or let them pend indefinately [12:03] stu, mount everything. i dont think that's the right command [12:03] xsamurai: not in the long term, but it's the only option at present [12:03] xsamurai is right. killing client queries won't solve anything. [12:03] phrag: i'm assuming all pieces of the setup are tweaked for maximum performance [12:03] mount everything first [12:03] Killing clients on the other hand... [12:03] phrag, Alan_Hicks is right. take the bush way out! [12:04] xsamurai: we consist of mainly DB/app servers [12:04] hehe [12:04] are you caching previous queries ? [12:04] and is your db tweaked ? [12:04] i want linux to identify my /temporary/mountpoint as rootpath instead of the tree the instalelr CD is providing me [12:04] yeh, we use multiple memcache/db instances, load balancers, tweaked (not by me) [12:05] sometimes its just a matter of adding additional hw [12:05] stu_: chroot /mnt/point [12:05] phrag: thats it thanks [12:05] if you certain load that cant be maintained , you really dont have a choice [12:05] xsamurai: that would be the long term business solution.. at present, i just need to stop everything else from being brought down [12:05] phrag although i would suggest going over all the configs to make sure everything is setup right [12:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:06] it's only once in the blue moon, clients running large reports.. but yes, extra provision will need to be made =P [12:06] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:06] quick question: if i add to dhcpcd.conf the following line static domain_name_servers=192.168.0.1 will that never change the DNS server? [12:07] in actuallity i want to use 8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 [12:07] static domain_name_servers=8.8.8.8,8.8.4.4 [12:07] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [12:07] right? [12:08] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Client Quit [12:08] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [12:11] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.28.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:11] fremenblue (~ryan@170.213.131.190) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:11] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [12:12] I go away to update some tickets and you guys go NUTS with the chat... [12:13] why does LILO say it can't determine what vesa driver i'm using, and will go into text only mode? [12:13] stu_, from a chroot? [12:14] dive, yup [12:14] it does that [12:14] ignore it [12:14] but when i restart my pc, it says no boot system [12:14] any other errors/warnings? [12:15] from lilo that is [12:15] nope, it only gave that warning after i tried 'rescuing' it with installer cd. during install it just said LILO couldn't be configured [12:15] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:16] i'm re-installing again, if it still doesn't work, i'll try dd to wipe out the MBR and re-lilo'ing [12:16] and when you chrooted in, you edited lilo.conf? [12:16] yeah i edited lilo.conf and lilo'ed [12:16] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:16] which was when it gave me that vesa error [12:16] is this an upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1? [12:17] a reformat from 64bit to 32vbirt [12:17] 32bit* [12:17] hmm [12:17] do you have /dev and /proc mounted in there? [12:17] thrice`, how do i mount /dev and /proc? i mounted /dev/sda1 when i was in installer mode though, and i chrooted into there [12:18] if you have it mounted to, say, /mnt: mount -t proc none /mnt/proc ; mount -o bind /dev /mnt/dev . then you can: chroot /mnt /bin/bash [12:18] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [12:19] oo, okay i'll try that too if this reinstall doesn't work [12:19] gniks (~sking@nat-jsq-adm.advance.net) joined ##slackware. [12:19] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.75) joined ##slackware. [12:19] I'm guessing it didn't like the missing /proc [12:20] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:20] Is it -o bind or --bind? The man page does not mention -o bind that I see. [12:20] yeah i'm guessing too [12:20] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.38.170) joined ##slackware. [12:20] rob0, either; -o is just for options [12:21] -o bind works [12:21] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:22] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:25] oh wow reinstall works, thanks anyways [12:26] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.30) joined ##slackware. [12:26] ClaudioM, ping? [12:27] I have a computer that has been running on a high ram load (using all 16 GB ram and 7 GB swap) for awhile now and it has stopped responding. I was ssh'd in and now I can't reconnect, and hitting numlock isn't bring the led on. is there something I can do to kill a process and get it running without turning it off? [12:28] if you were sshd in and cant reconnect [12:28] well not much [12:28] unless you can get remote kvm up [12:28] oh awesome, took 4 minutes but I finally got a login prompt [12:28] raela, thats not enough information. whats using the memory: [12:29] what's the ls command to only list hidden directories? [12:29] Skywise: two programs I'm running. gonna stop one now that I'm in [12:29] are you getting synflooded/ [12:29] no, it's something I'm running on purpose [12:29] Skywise: assumptions [12:29] k [12:29] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:30] arfon, ls -a | egrep '^\.' [12:30] you sound like my last windows admin, any small network issue and he would run around screaming we're getting hacked [12:30] what will make the one process 'freeze' and give up all its ram until I start it again? [12:30] TY [12:30] maybe a sysrq key can help [12:30] it wasn't the network since the keyboard wasn't really working either :P [12:30] yW [12:30] xsamurai, no, one of the symptoms of a synflood is memory being unexpectedly consumed [12:30] kill -STOP [12:31] kill -CONT [12:31] Skywise: I use some very memory intensive things [12:31] nvision (~nvision@e179131254.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:31] well, as long as you know the cause [12:31] i think you're mostly going to have to be patient [12:31] or maybe you can nice them so you can get a responsive shell [12:31] Skywise: for you to assume that without any knowledge of the processes on the server [12:31] is not practical [12:31] bah [12:32] yeah =P [12:32] yeah. stopping the one so hopefully the other can finish. the one process has been running for 2 days [12:32] Entulho (~foo@sol.sj.ifsc.edu.br) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [12:32] mcury (~mcury@189.24.46.129) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:32] will it take long for the stopped one to let go of its memory usage? [12:32] oops how do i set my CLI resolution again, the default is just too big for me [12:32] stu_: vga= in lilo.conf [12:32] set vga=ask in your lilo.conf [12:32] i dont know if kill stop releases memory though [12:33] k thanks [12:33] then find out what you like then set it to that rest [12:33] process might stop running but still hold on to mem , try it out see what happens [12:33] yeah, stopped it but it still has 12.3G VIRT [12:33] i doubt it will release unless you kill it [12:33] its too bad you can't suspend that process to disk [12:34] bah. well hopefully having it stopped will help [12:34] so put it to sleep and figure out why the process is bringing your server to a halt [12:34] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [12:35] xovan (~xovan@ip70-173-249-86.lv.lv.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:36] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [12:36] cr3 (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:36] xsamurai: I think it's just way too much memory usage [12:36] rafu (~rafu@77.53.11.75) left irc: Quit: rafu [12:36] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:37] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [12:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [12:38] I just cp'd my /home/user dir and it copies the contents of the TRASH, I can't find the TRASH now, anyideas where it would be? [12:40] arfon: did you use -R when copying ? [12:41] arfon: ~/.local/share/Trash ? [12:42] TY [12:42] Yeah, did the -R [12:42] .local/share/trash is right [12:43] huh? .local/share/trash or ~/.local/share/Trash ? [12:43] adaptr (~adaptr@xs.adaptr.nl) left irc: Changing host [12:43] adaptr (~adaptr@unaffiliated/adaptr) joined ##slackware. [12:44] knnk_ (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:44] blacklinux (~blacklinu@121.54.29.50) joined ##slackware. [12:44] anyone uses XFCE + Compiz here? [12:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-116-56.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [12:45] cybErpunk (davi@unaffiliated/cyberpunk) joined ##slackware. [12:46] anyone uses XFCE + Compiz here? [12:46] you already asked that [12:47] InTel_BG (~intel@95.43.14.244) joined ##slackware. [12:47] stu_ (~stuartSan@175.144.248.79) left irc: [12:47] so? [12:47] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:47] so nice, he asked it twice! [12:47] a lot can change in one minute [12:47] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [12:47] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-fnurtnxjdatxzcph) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:47] ok then, soeety [12:47] i stopped using it during that minute [12:47] someone could have switched to xfce and compiz [12:47] sorry [12:48] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [12:48] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xorjmfonegxspnxi) joined ##slackware. [12:48] i just wanted to configure my slack. [12:49] dive|bsd (~dive|bsd@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [12:49] i seen a vid that he has xfce + compiz running on slack 13 [12:49] so read documentation and do it yourself or ask the vid maker [12:50] slackpkg install compiz, if its not installed already [12:50] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) joined ##slackware. [12:51] ugh, i forgot what the last 2 digits are supposed to be if i wanna mount my 2nd HD in /etc/fstab [12:51] 1 1? [12:51] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:51] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:51] depends [12:53] blacklinux: installing compiz can be quite a challenge if it's the first time you're doing it [12:53] i don't have anything else mounted, i just wanna add this hd, i think it's 1 2? [12:53] blacklinux: in addition to the compiz package shipped with slackware, you need some additional software as well [12:53] stu_: 0 0 [12:53] InTel_BG (intel@95.43.14.244) left ##slackware. [12:53] stu_: man mount [12:54] blacklinux: i would recommend you try googling slackware and compiz and read/try whatever you find that don't seem (very) outdated [12:56] thanks v3gard [12:56] btw are you using compiz? [12:57] not at the moment, but i've used it in the past [12:58] compiz was one of the first things I tried to make work in my Kubuntu days [12:58] took about a week I think [12:58] that was back on slackware 12, and i think there is a good guide on linuxquestions [12:58] shouldn't be too difficult making it work with the current version [12:59] v3gard: the last time I tried, compiz that comes with slackware works fine as it is [13:00] mako-sama: yeah, but i was thinking about the graphical configuration utility and some of the applications that make it easier to set up [13:00] ohh [13:00] 13.1 has compiz installed already i think [13:00] blacklinux: you could check out slackbuilds.org and see if there are any packages for slackware 13.1 available [13:01] ok ok [13:01] ScreamerX (~screamer@chello084115148215.3.graz.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [13:01] yey it has [13:01] v3gard: kde can configure compiz just fine :P [13:01] i just download it all? [13:01] if you're using KDE, that is.. otherwise, you'll need few packages to make ccsm work [13:02] mako-sama: ok :) i haven't used kde that much [13:02] well im using XFCE [13:02] same here [13:02] nice [13:02] what do you use? [13:02] eyecandy? or compiz or something? [13:03] no, just plain xfce [13:03] the only eyecandy being the background :) [13:04] oooh.. [13:04] here i find the compiz things for 13.1 [13:06] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:06] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] should i install this stuffs [13:06] you can actually make it look quite nice [13:06] here's a screenshot of my desktop atm: http://v3gard.com/files/screenshot.png [13:06] the best thing about compiz is that plugin that enables onscreen annotation [13:07] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:07] ...in flaming ink [13:07] oddpuck (~me@unaffiliated/oddball33) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:07] i just want to use the 3d thing :) [13:08] v3gard nice wallpaper [13:08] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [13:10] v3gard, yea actually that does look pretty neat [13:11] thanks [13:12] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@94.41.27.243.dynamic.ufanet.ru) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:13] i'm using xfce on my laptop as well [13:14] Wdyy (~AndChat@117.136.26.137) joined ##slackware. [13:17] I usually use GNUstep/WindowMaker. but I had to replace the hdd while I was on a trip to india (old hdd started clicking) so I just installed slack13 and used xfce on it since then [13:18] do you use compiz? [13:18] no [13:18] I'm going to lunch, anyone want anything? [13:18] lots of food please. [13:19] You got it.... [13:19] arfon: fried chicken sandwitch [13:19] arfon (~arfon@209.236.250.213) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:19] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [13:19] fresh mango juice [13:19] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:20] D0minus (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:20] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:21] j0z (~UNIX@187.58.235.167) joined ##slackware. [13:21] j0z (~UNIX@187.58.235.167) left irc: Changing host [13:21] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. 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[13:40] estranho_ (~estranho@li115-62.members.linode.com) left irc: Changing host [13:40] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:40] xsamurai: figured I'd give you an update.. the stopped process still has the same memory requirement, which makes sense, but it's giving physical ram to the other process and taking up more swap [13:41] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] raela: makes sense [13:42] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Client Quit [13:43] yeah. the box hasn't locked up since then either. I didn't expect the currently running process to take as long as it has [13:43] estranho_ (~estranho@li115-62.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] estranho_ (~estranho@li115-62.members.linode.com) left irc: Changing host [13:43] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [13:45] here it goes :) [13:46] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:48] commonhere it comes the common problem [13:48] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [13:48] Action: xsamurai is lost [13:48] Does anyone know how to fix "Fatal: LILO internal error: Would overwrite Partition Table"? The table was messed up previously, but I made a new partition encompassing the entire drive and freshly installed Slackware 13.1 on it. [13:49] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [13:49] cr3_ (1000@net-3-230.tpn.ceron.pl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:49] lilo -F and -P fix don't work and give me the same error :/ [13:50] D0minus, how did you install? on the MBR? [13:50] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [13:50] Buggaboo, that's what I'm trying to do, yes. [13:51] anyone knows how to configure compiz? [13:51] boot=/dev/sda root=/dev/sda1 [13:52] hm, turn on the highest lilo debug level and paste it somewhere I guess. [13:53] blacklinux, which wm are you using? [13:54] http://pastebin.com/HBmSyvXh right above that is more screens than my terminal is logging with ""Mapped AL=0x03 CX=0xd183 DX=0x46e0, LBA=54972803" lines. [13:55] heimdall1 (~vidar@79.101.203.123) joined ##slackware. [13:55] hba (~hba@189.130.26.166) joined ##slackware. [13:56] Who had the laptop lines on the screen issue? [13:56] D0minus, lemme see your lilo.conf [13:56] http://pastebin.com/QWCkLEAK [13:57] It's pretty much the default conf [13:57] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:57] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:57] hm. [13:58] D0minus, sed '/^#/d' lilo.conf > lesscomments [13:59] Buggaboo XFCE [13:59] and its odd [13:59] :D [13:59] http://pastebin.com/qrfdRteL [13:59] my firefos is all black when i change the wm to compiz [13:59] check your bios if this applies to you: lba32 [13:59] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-0158.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:59] ehm, disk even. not bios. [13:59] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) joined ##slackware. [14:00] hi, Has anyone used s3cp the amazon.com ? [14:00] Nick change: heimdall1 -> vidar [14:01] Does anyone know any software to make copies for amazon.com ? [14:01] ...copies of what? [14:01] Buggaboo: it's not strictly needed, though I think lilo "assumes" it. [14:01] http://pastebin.com/ZF4CWVeC this is the entire short error. [14:01] rachael, amazon.com [14:01] Warning: boot record relocation beyond BPB is necessary: /dev/sda that's somewhat frightening. [14:01] vidar (vidar@79.101.203.123) left ##slackware. [14:02] hm yeah. [14:02] vidarr (~vidar@79.101.203.123) joined ##slackware. [14:02] crap. I have an identical setup :P [14:02] vidarr (vidar@79.101.203.123) left ##slackware. [14:02] mine works though :P [14:03] cfdisk: ...like of every page? [14:03] The story is as follows: I accidentally ran mkdosfs -F32 on this disk, then used cfdisk to make a new sda1 parition, primary, covering the entire disk, formatted it, then did a fresh install. [14:03] So possibly there's some remnant of the dos thingy. [14:03] heheh [14:03] But I don't care too much about preserving any of it :) [14:03] D0minus, I betcha you're right about that last part. [14:03] is there a proper way to name private & public keys, should i use hostnames etc [14:04] what does cfdisk say? [14:04] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-0084.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Buggaboo: looks brand shiny new in fdisk [14:04] If I were you I'd run "partition magic" and wipe the whole disk. [14:04] sda1 Boot Primary Linux ext3 160039.28 [14:04] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.4) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Partition magic? :( [14:04] I am still trying to find the SlackBuild that lets you hum into the computer and it converts the humming to a MIDI notation. [14:04] D0minus: clean the mbr? write zeros to the first 512mb of the disk [14:04] dchmelik, what have you been smoking? [14:05] D0minus: also.. are you doing fdisk /dev/sda1 or /dev/sda [14:05] it was a real SlackBuild! [14:05] dchmelik, sounds like a great project. [14:05] actually. [14:05] raela, Know any software to make copies for amazon.com? [14:05] hasn't bill gates created something like that? [14:05] with a band and all? [14:05] I think it is still in the repository [14:05] cfdisk: I still have no clue what you're trying to do [14:05] raela: cfdisk /dev/sda [14:05] cfdisk: copy every page off of it..? [14:06] is eyecandy compatible with XFCE? [14:06] D0minus: well maybe try to wipe the mbr [14:06] D0minus, either use "partition magic", or get creative/destructive with 'dd'. [14:06] raela, Know the s3 gives amazon.com ? [14:06] dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=512 count=1 [14:06] precisely. [14:06] Hm, lilo ran without problems after that. [14:06] blacklinux (~blacklinu@121.54.29.50) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:06] Could people please chose nicks that aren't valid commands? [14:06] cfdisk: is english your primary language? [14:06] Alright, going to find out what happens when I reboot, thanks guys :D [14:07] raela, Sorry, don't speak inglish. [14:07] 512 bytes will wipe your entire mbr, including partition table [14:07] not just the boot record [14:07] raela, my language is portuguese or spanish. [14:07] cfdisk: find a channel in your native language for help [14:07] Yeah, you'll have to repartition or your OS is toast. [14:07] Ok, how nice. [14:07] OpenSys (~vasco@fw.vslinux.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] So.. can I reconstruct the partition table? [14:07] D0minus: Yes, if you know what boundaries were used. [14:08] or if you use testdisk [14:08] I have cat /proc/partitions [14:08] testdisk saved me from my own stupidity once, and a few friends also had success returning partition table with it [14:08] D0minus: That may work. pastebin it. [14:09] http://pastebin.com/GD9iWzRc [14:10] D0minus: So you only made one partition, and you accepted the defaults so that it filled the entire disk? [14:10] Exactly [14:10] Then do that again, just don't format the partition. [14:10] D0minus, do you have data on the slice that you would like to keep? [14:11] now would be a good time to make some backups. [14:11] Buggaboo: it's basically a clean install, though I have spent some time setting it up. [14:11] The damage was done when I mkfsdos'ed it already :D [14:11] Ok going to reboot now, see where I end up... heh. [14:12] D0minus (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:12] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:13] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:15] if a server has lots of public .ssh keys, can one just manually keep on copying them onto authorized_keys2 [14:15] anyone seen Cannon on here lately? [14:16] panzer: a while back, yeah [14:16] in the morning [14:16] panzer: couple days at most [14:16] panzer: told him about the dvd's; he's not interested [14:16] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: :q! [14:16] trhodes: well darn. that sucks. [14:16] Has anyone seen panzer? [14:16] I guess no worries. [14:16] who's panzer ? [14:16] :) [14:17] rob0: have you been hallucinating and making up imaginary friends again? [14:17] rob0: nope not seen him since the last time I looked in the mirror [14:17] gbit (~gbit@mail.daiby.com.br) joined ##slackware. [14:17] Some kind of German tank in WWII. [14:17] gbit (gbit@mail.daiby.com.br) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:17] i got a kick out of panzer and tank-man chatting it up (for that reason) [14:17] haha nerd :P [14:18] indeed [14:18] D0minus (default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:18] I guess I should change it to A-10 [14:18] Well, it booted without issues :D [14:18] D0minus: glad to hear it [14:19] I love Linux, it's like Lego. [14:19] You can always put it back together. [14:19] panzer: i dont think cannon is using Slackware but salix. at least last i seen him talk about stuff like that [14:19] so a Slack dvd wont do much good in that case [14:20] nah.. rm -rf / (DO NOT RUN THIS IT DELETES EVERYTHING) is hard to recover from ;) [14:20] sahko: he uses slack64-13.0 [14:20] After a large Lego project is torn apart, I never have the heart to rebuild it. [14:20] raela: maybe yeah [14:20] no worries. I was offering to download any cd/dvd he needed. [14:22] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:23] Haraken (ryuk@unaffiliated/haraken) left irc: Quit: insert quit message [14:23] gregsparc (~chatzilla@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [14:24] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:38] damn NightTiger [14:39] Lego-aged kids are kids aged 5-10 and 25+ [14:39] :) [14:39] Lego, Mechanno (sp?), and Tinker Toys when I was a kid (We're talking 1950's here.) [14:39] Though I must confess, I always liked Lincoln Logs best. [14:40] you were a toy-playing kid in the 50s? that makes you like 250 years old or summit [14:40] oh those were cool, but I rarely managed anything impressive with LL. [14:40] Alan_Hicks: Really? I thought they were too limited - you couldn't build _any_ thing with them, just "houses". [14:40] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.30) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [14:40] mancha: Born 1952. Do the math. [14:41] NightTiger: Yeah, but they were perfect for buildings forts for all my little plsatic cowboys and indians. [14:41] yeah, but they were cool houses - of real wood [14:41] that exceeds my MAXINT math library [14:41] my mom got rid of my legos when I was under 10. she said she got tired of stepping on them/vacuuming them :( [14:41] :P [14:41] Stepping on a Lego block in bare feet is something NEVER forgotten. :-) [14:42] but still.. depriving kids of legos. cruel and unusual punishment [14:42] mancha: How old are you? I bet I own socks older than you are. [14:42] agreed [14:42] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [14:43] i bet NightTiger has hair coming out of his nubbin older than betty white [14:43] NightTiger probably. i'll be 13 next september. [14:43] mancha: ...seriously? [14:44] Go away mancha, ya bother me. [14:45] NightTiger: i still have a pair of boxers from highschool that I still wear [14:45] um, that was W.C. Fields. [14:45] wasn't that w.c.fields? [14:45] That's right. my bad [14:45] time flies like an arrow. fruit flies like a bananna [14:45] that was a groucho :) [14:46] Action: xsamurai writes a letter to hanes , congratulating them on a job well done [14:46] Nicce (Nicce@ip-25-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] In Africa, ivory is hard to come by, but in Alabama, the Tuscaloosa. [14:46] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [14:46] but that's irrelephant [14:47] rob0: is that name somehow related to appaloosa? [14:47] rob0: A modern day Attila the Pun. [14:47] I shot an elephant in my pyjamas this morning. How he got in my pyjamas, I'll never know. [14:47] Haraken (ryuk@sigh.haraken.tsu-ji.jp) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Haraken (ryuk@sigh.haraken.tsu-ji.jp) left irc: Changing host [14:47] Haraken (ryuk@unaffiliated/haraken) joined ##slackware. [14:47] stu_ (~stuart@175.144.248.79) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:47] stop going off topic [14:47] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) joined ##slackware. [14:47] I actually have wool socks over 30 years old that I wear in the Spring and Fall on my motorcycle. [14:47] Nicce (Nicce@ip-25-193-241-92.dialup.ice.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:47] rob0: so another mans elephant got in your pants ? [14:48] um, folks, those are Grouchoisms [14:49] mancha: 13, and a Slackware user? You are headed for a bright future, lad. You're learning how _all_ Unix-like systems work, and will be delighted to discover, in years to come, how much you actually *know*. [14:49] rob0: you forget this is #slackware , groucho dont come by here much [14:49] rob0: they're Marxisms! [14:49] you filthy Marxist [14:49] NightTiger, all? [14:49] mancha's as serious as a dunder mifflin manager gets [14:51] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:51] Delahunt: Pretty much. Solaris, Ultrix, all the flavours of Linux, the BSDs, and so on are all basically Unixes; if you know Slackware, you can handle them with a bit (a very little bit) of study as to their particulat nuances. [14:52] NightTiger, just running "mount" on a freeBSD system will tell you that you've got to be kidding [14:52] sure, some of the commands are the same, but at this point you are learning their userland programs (which is fine) [14:52] substitute particulat with particular ... [14:53] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [14:53] i'm not trying to argue or say you're wrong, but it's not really learning how all unix-like systems work, but learning a very unix-like version of linux that should help you at least hold your head above water on other unix-like systems [14:53] jnylin (~jnylin@c-7471e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:53] now i say slackware is the best to learn if you are here to learn, yes, but it's worth mentioning [14:54] Delahunt: I'm talking as a SysAdmin. Userland is... userland. The O/S is where they pay you for knowing things. [14:54] well userland as in commands like rsync, cp, mv, etc [14:55] Delahunt: The concepts get learned under Slackware. Red Hat, DEbian, that ilk just teach you how to run their GUI tools. [14:55] the /dev structure on FreeBSD isn't the same, that's what came to my mind first [14:55] (since i just ran mount on a FreeBSD system a second ago to figure out where something was) [14:55] debian has gui tools? [14:55] mount command, that i know, and that helps [14:55] but their dev structure, i couldn't begin to decipher without studying it [14:55] Delahunt, The entire kernel is different, and as such device nodes obviously are as well. [14:55] debian has curses tools too [14:56] Action: trhodes curses the debian tools :P [14:56] and the kernel is part of the O/S right? [14:56] Like I said: learn their nuances. You know _what_ you want.need to do, it's just a question of, "What do they call it here?" [14:56] yeah [14:56] Aside from that, things like the boot scripts are very similar between BSD and Slackware, as all the other major Linux distros use Sys V [14:57] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:57] wouerner (~wouerner@187-4-90-4.bsaco701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:58] I would argue that's hardly an issue [15:01] well not much of one but part of it depends on how much you have to go a hackin' [15:01] i doubt anyone minds Sys V or any other init style if it's working and they don't need to fix anything :) [15:02] Nick change: D0minus -> GrooveDroid [15:03] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [15:04] i just find that whole "learn slackware, and you're set" mentallity quite aged and worthless :> [15:05] thrice`, How so? [15:06] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.175.182.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:06] the big differences these days is packaging. anyone can realize they need to type init.d over rc.d on debian, or so [15:07] learn slackware and then go administer an selinux-secured pam-auth'd system! [15:07] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [15:07] The name of the directory is hardly the concern... [15:08] thrice`: Slackware's most important feature is that it teaches you to _think_. You learn to delve into possibilities while looking for answers. Windows, the GUI distros teach you to point and click, then call somebody if it breaks. Who gets called? Slackware users! [15:08] Action: Alan_Hicks is administering lots of selinux-secured pam-auth'd systems. [15:08] NightTiger +1 [15:08] first day on the job "please update the selinux policies to filter ipv6 tagged packets" [15:08] "huh?" [15:08] thats the main point, it teaches you to think [15:09] if you come from another distro , you get stuck at the first sign of trouble [15:09] mancha: What? You weren't clever enough to ask before you took the gig, and then read up on it? You're fired. [15:09] mancha, seriously, EVERY other distribution ships pam [15:09] Especially confusing to be asked to update SELinux policies, when you thought you were being hired as a bagboy. Go figure. [15:09] ftr there are other distros which teach you to think too [15:09] strippers are required to configure pam ? [15:09] sahko: This IS a Slackware channel, mind... [15:10] but id rather think of larissa riquelme for another hour or so [15:10] so yeah, i think learn slack and you're set is a bunch of self-congratulatory bullshit [15:10] NightTiger: yeah no objections about that. just saying [15:10] mancha, I still haven't heard a good reason why that is. Because it doesn't include PAM? Seriously? [15:11] more like, learn how to learn, and you're set [15:11] indeed, and that can be achieved on any distro [15:11] I guess slackware requires it a bit more, but one can learn the internals of linux just fine on ubuntu [15:12] slackware requires it, ubuntu obfuscates it [15:12] I think, for the uninitiated, its harder. ^^ [15:12] although I heard they were dropping aptitude from the next release? [15:12] rob0: Updating SELinux policies is very easy. setenforce 0 [15:12] You can learn the internals of Ubuntu on Ubuntu, yeah. You do realize a lot of things are changed in Ubuntu, right? Or any other desktop-focused distro for that matter. [15:12] Alan_Hicks++ [15:12] MS3FGX i think you misunderstand *my* point. I don't mean slackware isn't a good vehicle thorugh which to learn linux and its internals. In fact, i think slackware is a great vehicle. I am just not willing to accpet it is the only or best vehicke. [15:12] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] One of the biggest advantages of Slack is that packages are very rarely changed from the developer's intent. [15:13] asarch (~asarch@187.132.133.39) joined ##slackware. [15:13] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [15:14] MS3FGX: You are right! [15:14] MS3FGX ++ [15:14] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:15] An excellent example from my personal experience was when I installed Ubuntu on a friend's computer and tried to figure out why the sound didn't work. The first thing I tried was alsaconf like the ALSA devs intended, but in Ubuntu it is removed in favor of GUI-only configuration tools. [15:15] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving... [15:16] ah, setenforce 0, didn't think of that [15:16] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [15:16] ubuntu does have some ugly quirks, not irreversible of course, but pain in the balls: can i haz su back? for example. [15:17] mancha, and what's the excuse to your boss, "sorry, slackware's ancient method didn't work?" :) [15:17] i love the fact that in ubuntu and i think fedora, you dont get device nodes for not mount devices [15:17] i didnt even know what was possible [15:17] its very annoying [15:17] thrice: sorry boss, instead of selinux how bout i install pkgtools? [15:18] pkgtools has nothing to do with configuring sound [15:18] it'll be, 'ok, you are fired.' at least you have your pride, I guess [15:18] i'm fired? but i installed pkgtools>!>!>!>! [15:18] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:19] what do you want kernel-hook acls for when you can haz pkgtools! [15:19] sahko, I don't think that IS possible. it uses the same udev as everyone else [15:20] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:20] thrice`: try it. attach a usb stick, umount it if it gets automatically moounted, and try to dd something to it or whatever [15:20] theres no /dev/sd* [15:20] not anymore [15:20] in gnome, there is a difference between 'eject' and 'remove' or something [15:20] if you open a command line and umount it, the node will still be there [15:21] ah maybe. its still fucking retarted cause the device is attached [15:21] DURgod (~DURgod@24-180-67-226.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:21] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] sahko, That sounds like they are just ejecting the device, rather than just unmounting [15:21] that's a gnome thing for sure [15:21] i didnt know there was a difference between eject and unmount [15:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [15:21] also, there's a lot of cross-pollination between distribs... [15:22] i can guarantee my usb didnt get 'ejected' though. i had to pull it out by hand:) [15:22] :> [15:22] you might not realize how much. if you, for example, just upgraded your libtiff with pat's new security release you will have gotten a whole series of patches, these patches are from fedora [15:22] We need a launch(8) command and a launch.ko driver. [15:22] Help. I am unable to create executables from C/C++ programs. [15:24] dissociative (~alejandro@190.248.214.201) joined ##slackware. [15:24] but slackware is by far the most fun distrib and the one that best suits my personality! [15:24] mancha: Actually, you just proved my point: You *know* these things are different between various flavours of Linux, because Slackware taught you how it should be done (/me ducks) and you recognise that there is a difference with them. [15:24] how do I boot with the root partition in read only [15:24] Mel-nix: does it give an error or something? [15:25] dissociative: you would get better help by asking the REAL question in plain terms. [15:25] and like most things gnome i bet that behaviour will be unconfigurable, and/or must know gconf-foo to change it [15:25] hello humans [15:25] InTel_BG (~intel@95.43.14.244) joined ##slackware. [15:25] i would be very unhappy, if slackware were to magically disappear all of a sudden, asay. [15:25] raela: "/usr/include/features.h:347:25: error: sys/cdefs.h: No such file or directory" and dozens of errors, when compiling "Hello World". [15:25] my slackware machine just locked up then I had to hard reset it then I would like to check the system logs of its root partition [15:26] dissociative, I would suggest using a live CD/USB distro. [15:26] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:26] It's possible, even likely, that the cause of the crash was not written to disk. [15:26] sahko, On some devices, it makes sense, like iPods for instance. If you simply unmount the iPod it will show it is still connected, but if you eject the device node, the iPod will go into the "It is now safe to disconnect" dialog. [15:27] cant slackware just boot with the root partition in read only mode? [15:27] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [15:27] doesn't it do that already? [15:27] Mel-nix: did you recently change something? full install? [15:27] you can do single-user which won't write anything to /var [15:27] dissociative, ^^ [15:27] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:28] rc.S remounts / as rw [15:28] dissociative: The options in the start-up scripts mount read-only first, do the fsck, then go rw. [15:28] oh ... you can also do "init=/bin/bash" [15:28] ah yes [15:29] I forgot that [15:29] i didn't realize steganography was still used as a real method.. [15:29] the fbi just arrested 11 russian spies that hid their messages in graphics [15:30] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.4) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:30] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:30] illegal spies [15:30] It is still relatively popular. I've read a few articles about practical applications in 2600. [15:30] dissociative (~alejandro@190.248.214.201) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:30] MS3FGX: imo it should do the opposite thing it does when you insert the device [15:31] Entulho (~foo@sol.sj.ifsc.edu.br) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Did they get the 11th one? Last I heard one was "wanted". [15:31] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.2) joined ##slackware. [15:31] kgb is still alive? [15:31] dissociative, even if you boot normally. you won't overwrite anything significant that was logged. /var/log/dmesg is overwritten, but that was only written at boot time, does not contain your crash. [15:31] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.150) joined ##slackware. [15:31] http://www.darkreading.com/insiderthreat/security/encryption/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=225701866 [15:32] for those who are interested in more details [15:32] raela: Sorry, I got disconnected. [15:32] whois kgb.su [15:33] Mel-nix: so, repeat question.. full install, and have you recently changed anything? [15:34] knnk_ (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] do any of you guys use pgp for emails? [15:34] if i setup pgp, does that mean the end of spam? [15:34] dusty yes, though not to encrypt, i use (gpg) to sign [15:35] mancha: so if i wanted to send you a mail, i would first need your public key [15:35] raela: Not a full install. I have changed my partitions to LVM though, and I see that ccache is upgraded. I am on -current. [15:35] no [15:35] Mel-nix: what did you leave out with the install? [15:35] mancha: what advantages do you have with using gpg ? [15:36] if you wanted to send me encrypted mail you would need my pubkey [15:36] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-63-94.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:36] ok [15:36] dustybin: advantages: encryption and/or signing [15:36] and then i would decrypt that with my privkey [15:36] how does signing work? [15:37] can signing stop spam? [15:37] you add a digitally signed hash of your message, to the message itself [15:37] not at all [15:37] so what is the point of that signed hash? [15:37] raela: I could compile programs and build from SlackBuilds, but just today, I have discovered that I couldn't do both. [15:37] no surprise about the link mancha posted: anyone can use gpg and encryption if they read how [15:37] ensure your message has not been forged [15:38] dustybin: mancha already told you [15:38] right i see [15:38] Mel-nix: will perhaps it is something to do that.. sorry, this is outside of my knowledge. good luck [15:38] Mel-nix: full install ? [15:38] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.150) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:38] gpg would be installed on my mail client and read that hash and tell me if the mail is ok [15:38] yes [15:38] righhhhhhhhhhhht [15:38] thats a bit like mdmsum [15:38] if you have a gpg plugin installed... [15:39] trhodes: No. [15:39] md5sum just makes a hash, but without digital signature [15:39] SunTzu (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hi [15:39] that means i would need to make sure my friends use a hash when they send me a mail [15:39] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.28.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:39] i would receive the email and be able to verify that you were the sender, ie no one is sending me an email making believe they are you. [15:39] a digital signature, not only a hash [15:40] that is the point of a signature on the email [15:40] yep [15:40] non-repudiation: so that you can tell if the email was truly sent by the individual [15:40] but no "normal" user uses gpg, after all :-$ [15:40] i bet all the kernel developers use that system when they send mails to eachother [15:40] we use the same key pair concept in the USAF for our email as well [15:41] some people do, not all though [15:41] i wonder if linus does [15:41] probably [15:41] Around 95% of all SMTP traffic (and increasing) is spam. Nothing is going to stop it, other than the end of SMTP, which doesn't look likely. [15:41] rob0, yeah it's pretty sad really [15:41] what would happen if the whole world use signatures / hashes in emails [15:41] dustybin, nothing [15:42] ok [15:42] the earth would start spinning in reverse [15:42] we'd know who the kenyan spammers are :) [15:42] :o [15:42] lol [15:42] hunger would end [15:42] the whole world won't use signatures / hashes [15:42] magnetic north would move to antarctica [15:42] 1) not every email requires a signature (me sending out LOLcat pics to a friend don't require signatures) [15:42] that could happen [15:42] as it is, it's moving westward [15:42] 2) not everyone knows how to use them [15:42] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:42] 3) not everyone feels they need them [15:43] on the other hand I have mutt to do it auto, unless I clear signing [15:43] 4) some people will be too lazy to implement them [15:43] so everyone gets one from me [15:43] yes your pub key [15:43] edthix (~ed@115.133.247.150) joined ##slackware. [15:43] maybe it will make my emails look cool?! [15:43] but since most of my email is mailing list/work related it makes sense [15:43] Can accepted CA certificates be a security risk somehow? [15:44] yes [15:44] i send a mail, gpg signs it, how does the person i send it to know if its real or not? [15:44] the CA system is fraught with fraud. [15:44] they have your pubkey [15:44] right so you need to give that to them somehow first? [15:44] yes [15:44] eeek what is the best way of doing that? [15:44] scp ? [15:44] Dusty, PRZ wrote a good two-part readme with PGP, which I think is still distributed with gpg. Read it. [15:45] ok :D [15:45] there are keyservers [15:45] dustybin, most people use a public key server [15:45] interesting [15:45] and/or host it themselves and put the link in the header: X-GPG-KEY [15:45] and there's a concept of a web of trust...i.e. people sign each others keys [15:45] i guess public keys are public keys, it doesnt matter who has them [15:45] not if they want to send you encrypted email, no [15:46] so the whole world could use public key servers, and emails clients use gpg by default [15:46] then no more bad mail [15:47] dustybin: fantasyland [15:47] These are the errors which I get on compiling "Hello World": http://pastebin.org/368513 [15:47] yea a public key is public, the math behind such systems (say rsa) is such that having your pubkey is not enough to get the privkey as it requires factoring very large numbers. this is computationally too expensive for us now... [15:47] Buggaboo (~Buggaboo@535316B2.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:47] rw1 (~rob@82-169-213-233.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:47] i wonder what clever sods invent RSA etc [15:47] Mel-nix, man that is a LOT of errors for printf ("Hello World"); :) [15:48] this would change with the introduction of quantum computers which would make pubkey infras obsolte. [15:48] grafzero (~grafzero@unaffiliated/grafzero) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:48] *obsolete [15:48] dustybin: perhaps some clever sods named Rivest, Shamir, and Adleman - I'm just guessing, of course [15:48] the R,S,and A in RSA tell you who invented it [15:48] grafzero (~grafzero@82.177.172.217) joined ##slackware. [15:49] glibc-2.11.1-i486-3:usr/include/sys/cdefs.h [15:49] hi, i have no audio in slack64 31.1, alsa seems to work correctly, i hace tried "model=3stack" and "options snd_usb_audio index=-2" in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf, any help? info --> http://pastebin.com/FYp15cng [15:49] Nick change: grafzero -> Guest94758 [15:49] glibc not installed or broken? [15:49] why dont google create a massive free public key server [15:49] Here is my code: http://pastebin.org/368515 [15:49] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYV0z8P_TsI (RSA Conference 2010 USA: The Cryptographers Panel 1/6) Fascinating stuff. [15:50] dustybin, there are already public key servers. [15:50] huh, there ARE massive free public keyservers already, and a very small demand for them [15:50] don't need google's intervention [15:50] aye ok [15:50] They'd only do it if they could cache the secret keys. [15:50] hah [15:50] http://pgp.mit.edu/ [15:51] an excerpt from their privacy policy "We will not sell your GPG private key to 3rd parties and..." [15:51] I think they stopped supporting their pgp application, outdated iirc [15:51] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [15:52] i've not used pgp in a while, at some point there was the closed/commercial pgp and the free pgpi [15:53] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC693.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] If someone else has your private key, what happens if they get hacked/have a rogue employee/become Microsoft-ish? Never give your private key to anyone. Publish your public key everywhere, but keep the private key...well... private. [15:53] the commercial PGP never took off, went out of business not long after PRZ quit [15:53] http://web.mit.edu/network/pgp.html (Maybe I misunderstood, maybe this thing is something else than what dustybin pasted) [15:54] NightTiger, you don't give people your private key, even if they don't get hacked. [15:54] *hi, i have no audio in slack64 13.1, alsa seems to work correctly, i have tried "model=3stack" and "options snd_usb_audio index=-2" in /etc/modprobe.d/sound.conf, any help? info --> http://pastebin.com/FYp15cng [15:54] dvel, have you run alsaconf as root? [15:54] Guest94758 (~grafzero@82.177.172.217) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:54] dvel, did you run alsaconf first? [15:55] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:55] yeah, and alsamixer [15:55] grafzero_ (~grafzero@82.177.172.217) joined ##slackware. [15:55] dvel, does alsa mixer work, or give an error? [15:56] work [15:56] in any case, gpg is a very nice piece of software. aside from the email encryption/signing, you can do this to your own files. so if you share your source code you can sign it and people know it came from you, etc. [15:56] what's with the stacks and usb audio stuff? [15:56] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:56] My public keys are on my web server (www.NightTiger.ca). My private key is in my pocket, on a USB dongle. [15:56] dvel, does aplay somesound.wav work or give error? [15:56] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-xorjmfonegxspnxi) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:56] NightTiger, encrypted usb dongle i hope :) [15:56] you can also encrypt personal files on your system using gpg, say a password list, or something. [15:57] NightTiger, keep your private at home on your pc, take the public out usb. [15:57] Delahunt: No, actually. I never am without it. [15:57] your life, just a recommendation [15:58] dive: No - the Bad Guys could break into my home when I'm at work, make a copy of the file, and I'd not know. To take the key from my pocket is harder. [15:58] dive: aplay wav is ok [15:58] if you set up your system ala README_CRYPT.TXT i highly doubt they can copy the file off :) [15:58] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Playing WAVE 'notify.wav' : Signed 16 bit Little Endian, Rate 22050 Hz, Mono [15:58] dvel, so what application isn't working? [15:58] does it make a sound? [15:58] kde audio, amarok audio, all [15:58] kde events [15:58] 1 little, 2 little, 3 little endians [15:59] probably something in systemsettings [15:59] Action: Delahunt resists keeping the 4 little 5 little 6 little endians going :) [15:59] NightTiger, consider the threat model. They're breaking into your house to find something that a fence will buy so they can get money for drugs. They don't care about your jeepy-gee keys. [15:59] honestly i've been using README_CRYPT.TXT for my systems lately and i love it [16:00] but if you have tax returns on your computer (for example) they might be able to use those [16:00] dive: what? [16:00] but in the end they may just sell your computers rather than steal info from them [16:00] yep [16:00] with a "fully" encrypted setup, they won't get anything but essentially a blank hard drive [16:00] (and windows if you dual boot lol) [16:01] speaking of which, there used to be a config item in windows to ask for a password to boot windows, forgot how to implement [16:01] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:01] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Client Quit [16:01] dvel, if aplay is working (and playing sounds) then it must be something in kde systemsettings -> multimedia [16:01] but encrypting windows would hide files from Linux etc so that may not be viable (unless maybe you use truecrypt) [16:01] dvel, you need to specify which device to use [16:01] (since there's a truecrypt client for linux) [16:02] maybe i should set up my windows with truecrypt (dunno) [16:02] fraktil_ (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:02] fraktil (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:02] as is, i don't do anything remotely personal with windows, just game [16:03] i don't care if they steal my second life account :) [16:04] dive: http://yfrog.com/j4devp http://yfrog.com/3vbackendp error? [16:05] nice read [16:05] http://codesorcery.net/old/mutt/mutt-gnupg-howto [16:06] dvel, have you tried moving gstreamer up? [16:06] yeah [16:06] same effect [16:06] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) joined ##slackware. [16:07] InTel_BG (intel@95.43.14.244) left ##slackware. [16:07] not sure then if you have tried all possible ways [16:07] you don't have many devices listed [16:08] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:08] loXx (~loxx@unaffiliated/loxx) joined ##slackware. [16:09] ?? [16:10] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:11] usually you get more devices listed [16:11] in output device preferences [16:11] have you tried esound? [16:11] (moving it up) [16:11] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:11] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:11] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: No route to host [16:12] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [16:12] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [16:14] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:15] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:16] eeel [16:16] Not enough random bytes available. Please do some other work to give [16:16] the OS a chance to collect more entropy! (Need 246 more bytes) [16:16] i need your help guys [16:16] just type anything [16:16] move the mouse [16:16] my mouse isnt connected [16:17] im ssh'd in [16:17] just rattle the keys a bit [16:17] fhdbshbdhsdfbdf [16:17] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-mobpjfwhmibzusrg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:17] Type in random keystrokes. [16:18] im doing that now [16:18] loXx (loxx@unaffiliated/loxx) left ##slackware. [16:20] dustybin: " eeel" You shriek like a little girl. :-) [16:20] :o [16:20] tekzilla (~jon@d129099.adsl.hansenet.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:21] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@200.63.199.99) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:21] fraktil_ (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:21] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) joined ##slackware. [16:21] hello [16:22] howdy [16:22] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [16:22] how do i set correct language in slackware 13.1 in kde [16:22] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:23] /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [16:24] Please select what kind of key you want: (1) RSA and RSA (default) (2) DSA and Elgamal (3) DSA (sign only) (4) RSA (sign only) [16:24] I assume i should select 4) [16:25] 2 [16:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434942.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [16:25] i thought RSA is better than DSA ? [16:25] (1) looks typo'd to me [16:25] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-434942.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:25] rsa does not have any random bits inside [16:25] tekzilla (~jon@d099229.adsl.hansenet.de) joined ##slackware. [16:26] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC693.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [16:26] a "sign only" key is what you want? [16:26] i want to use the same as what linus uses for his mail [16:26] dustybin: see http://ekaia.org/blog/2009/05/10/creating-new-gpgkey/ nice howto [16:27] thanks :D [16:27] rsa is the current recommended [16:27] some parts are outdated. they have been set to the gpg defaults since [16:28] ikar (~ikar@103.223.34.95.customer.cdi.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:29] Roin (~florian@p5B2BC693.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:30] dive: !!!!!!!!!!!!! http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/no-sound-in-slackware-13-1-a-811556/ [16:30] "value true" work!!!!!!!, what's is this???!!!!! [16:30] Entulho (~foo@sol.sj.ifsc.edu.br) left irc: Quit: . [16:30] speaker??? [16:31] controls for the driver [16:31] so if it's working - all well and good :) [16:32] Note, Linus has good reason to want his mails signed. If he didn't sign, an imposter could cause quite a mess. [16:32] Alan_Hicks too. PGP trash troll delete. [16:34] My God! You're like a pack of wild dogs! And rob0 is the lead dog of the pack! [16:34] you're just jealous :D :P [16:34] ruff [16:34] Delahunt: You just didn't get the joke. [16:35] dive: ^_^ [16:35] HappyNwb (~experimen@ti0125a380-1351.bb.online.no) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:35] Delahunt was in a.o.l.s. in those days, I think. [16:35] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:36] SpacePlod (SpacePlod@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-kcligbbzevxucnhw) joined ##slackware. [16:38] ah those days [16:38] man those were long ago [16:38] (for me) [16:42] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:42] fraktil_ (~fraktil@ip98-185-245-8.sb.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [16:43] hba (~hba@189.130.26.166) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:45] TSOII (~experimen@ti0125a380-1351.bb.online.no) joined ##slackware. [16:47] cfdisk (~cfdisk@unaffiliated/cfdisk) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:50] ut (~toast@97-84-219-70.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:53] nian (~jack@200-222.dsl.iskon.hr) joined ##slackware. [16:57] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: gone [16:57] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:59] Ephedrax (~ta_maman_@AReims-152-1-120-78.w86-208.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:59] |CtrlAltCa| (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [16:59] hersonls (~hersonls@189.43.141.102) left irc: Quit: Saindo [17:01] xsamurai (~jamonyou@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:02] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [17:02] tiny (~ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:02] Hi. So I want to hear from slackers. I am given this printer to print as many pages as I want and ink is not a problem. Any suggestions? [17:03] save a tree and don't print anything [17:03] Catoptromancy (~Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:04] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] :|... [17:04] It's recycled paper. [17:04] And if I don't use it, someone else will. [17:04] They just want to get rid of these. [17:04] Print out all the man pages. [17:04] so donate [17:05] yeah, there are some public domain bookmobiles that print stuff for people to read [17:05] Print out all the FAQs [17:05] You could go to tldp. [17:05] haha :P [17:05] And look up somethign interesting under the guides section, print out the ABS or something. [17:05] Preferably stuff in pdf. I guess tldp will do. [17:05] I was hoping for some computer science texts but I don't know anything that's under 100 pages or so. [17:05] of course, we say "print linux stuff" :) [17:05] The rest I know are in thousands of pages (scientific journals). [17:06] so many things on tldp are not maintained these days [17:06] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-211.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:06] more and more doc writers use wikis now :| [17:06] project gutenberg might be worth a look for more general reading [17:07] riza: so you want to print things that are 100 pages or less? [17:07] Oooh.. that looks great. [17:07] mako-sama, to take home yes. We can print 10,000 pages if you want but I don't drive. Nor do I have space for this at home. [17:07] I was thinking of a calculus book that I wanted a hardcopy of [17:07] They are just getting rid of these so it's limited. [17:08] free ink too [17:08] Ya. [17:08] I guess buying paper and toner would be cheaper thank shipping a hardcopy overseas :P [17:09] NightTiger (~derekm@ottawa-hs-64-26-171-99.s-ip.magma.ca) left irc: Quit: NightTiger [17:09] lol Where do you live? [17:09] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [17:10] I'm surprised, none of you folks read Donald Knuth? [17:10] I just printed "Mathematical Writing" by him today. [17:10] riza, he's supposed to make some big announcement [17:12] i don't read announcements of announements or the announcement [17:13] lol :) [17:13] He writes so much, it baffles me. Where does he find time for anything else like social life? [17:13] you've answered your own question [17:14] But he seems so socially developed.... :| [17:14] jnylin (~jnylin@c-7471e655.177-7-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:14] I wonder if Pat likes Don. [17:16] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-20-213.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [17:18] floyy (~floyy@unaffiliated/floyy) joined ##slackware. [17:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [17:22] shakamca (~shakamca@190.149.126.52) joined ##slackware. [17:22] shakamca (shakamca@190.149.126.52) left ##slackware. 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[17:36] yes [17:38] i dont understand how to make it every 10 minutes [17:38] 4 * * * * is every hour when minute is equal to '4'? [17:38] i think [17:38] yep [17:38] but there are no seconds [17:39] no [17:39] */10 * * * * [17:39] */10 [17:39] :P [17:39] rob0's is complete [17:39] thx [17:39] or, for finer grained control [17:39] 2,12,22,32,42,52 * * * * [17:47] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:48] isw (~i@static-71-252-134-19.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:49] Zoubiddaaa (~Zoubiddaa@2001:7a8:34d5:0:219:dbff:fee7:c431) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:50] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:50] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [17:52] fallen (~PolarBear@unaffiliated/thefallen) joined ##slackware. [17:54] r00bix (~andy@cpc1-leic8-0-0-cust2.lei3.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. 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[19:25] <_misfit_> yea that im not sure of [19:26] <_misfit_> i was just thinking like firefox on one screen and console with a text editor up [19:26] Razec (~razec@187.34.24.39) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:26] <_misfit_> but you'd probaby need two keyboards [19:26] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:26] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:28] oda (~oda@unaffiliated/oda) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:28] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:34] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [19:38] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [19:39] _theradar (yamabushi@detached.ircii.de) joined ##slackware. [19:45] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:47] nvision (~nvision@e179131254.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:50] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. 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[20:15] hello [20:15] any ideas why Eterm would suddenly stop passing ctrl-H as the backspace sequence? or how to fix it? [20:16] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:19] So basically, I start fixing lilo, 5 minutes after messing with the config, "That should do it.", reboot, kernel panic, because I'm just that good. [20:20] nian haha [20:21] nian: i used to be that good, too! [20:21] Heh. [20:21] gah the problem is with my screen, i see now. brb all [20:22] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: Quit: [A] brb fixing soemething [20:22] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:22] blaines (~blaines@wsip-70-184-85-19.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:23] j0k3r_ (~rddalceno@unaffiliated/j0k3r) joined ##slackware. [20:24] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. 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[20:35] ezrafree (ezra@208.67.159.229) left irc: Changing host [20:35] ezrafree (ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.81.140) joined ##slackware. [20:38] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [20:41] nian: did you run /sbin/lilo to update after changing lilo.conf? [20:43] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:43] el_lobo--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [20:44] hba (~hba@189.188.110.253) joined ##slackware. [20:44] ridout (~gm@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] No see, amazing thing is, what the install did is, it just installed lilo to /dev/sda, on the MBR I'm guessing, but the install recognized the external HDD where I had the slackware dir as /dev/sda, while boot was actually at /dev/sdd1. 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[21:53] estranho_ (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:54] Does anyone in here use the eclipse slackbuild on slackware 13.1 32-bit? [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488F8FE.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:56] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:56] bruno_ (~bruno@189.114.238.17.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:57] hey, how can i disable my tap-to-click, slack13 [21:57] ? [21:57] habaneros (~habaneros@97.102.252.23) joined ##slackware. [21:57] asamoah_ (~caio@190.244.44.222) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:59] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@174-23-26-201.slkc.qwest.net expired. [21:59] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@174-23-26-201.slkc.qwest.net' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [22:00] never pick your finger up [22:00] bruno_, check out http://tinyurl.com/23emgc7 [22:00] antiwire: lol... [22:00] a quick google search would have given you the answer [22:01] mfillpot: thx [22:01] jeremym (~jeremym@173-29-173-30.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [22:04] WildWizard (~michael@2001:44b8:3071:78b:81e4:455d:73c2:9779) joined ##slackware. [22:05] habaneros (~habaneros@97.102.252.23) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [22:07] antiwire, has it been this quiet all night? [22:08] I don't know, haven't been on long [22:09] Doesn't seem like much is going on in here tonight [22:11] The quiet isn't too bad, it gives me time to try to figure out my problem [22:13] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:15] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:16] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [22:16] har (~AndChat@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:27] johndee (~id@78-106-247-67.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:27] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [22:29] bruno_ (~bruno@189.114.238.17.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:34] Delahunt (~robert@72.183.117.4) joined ##slackware. [22:34] So uh, is there anyway to refresh the /dev folder, since it still reads my root partition as sde, which messes up lilo. [22:36] har (~AndChat@c-71-193-120-231.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Bye [22:37] sde? What of a-d? Or do you have one of those funky pseudo-RAID controllers? Also, what do you mean it messes up LILO? [22:37] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:37] knnk (~ngworekar@cpe-66-68-104-116.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:40] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Yeah, here's the thing, at install, I had a usb with the installer, and the /slackware dir on an external hdd, both plugged in, so the installer read sda as the /slackware one and sdb as the installer, no idea where sdc went but sdd was my /boot and sde was my / /home etc. So when lilo did it's thing it automatically installed onto sda, so now I have an awesome lilo prompt with the bmp every time I boot up the hdd containing the /slackware dir, but I [22:40] need to use the installer to boot into the system, which again leaves /dev reading my root partition as being sde/ even after I unplug the installer usb. [22:41] MLanden (~MLanden@141.152.171.242) joined ##slackware. [22:42] Which in turn gives me fatal errors when running lilo after messing with lilo.conf [22:43] ${Time_Of_Day},folks [22:44] MLanden, yo [22:44] nian: pastebin? [22:44] Damn, it's almost 5 am here. [22:45] can't you just pass root=/dev/blahblah when you start up, then fix it [22:45] nian: Britain, or another part of Europe? [22:45] Action: MLanden checks time.... Evenin',mfillpot..;) [22:45] Uh, I think I can make that work, gimme a few since I'm not sure if X even works, just using tty1 for this, another part. [22:47] I can't wait for -current to kick off with a bang [22:49] MLanden, I still want you to come out for a LUG meeting to meet the community, you might like some of their projects [22:53] I will ask this again, does nayone else here use eclipse... It keeps crashing and I think it may be an issue with jre installed in slackware 13.1 32-bit. [22:53] mfillpot, will try..first thursday,right? [22:54] yes, tomorrow.. you can check www.twuug.org for dates and locations... in August we will have the summer meeting which will be during the day on a saturday [22:56] mfillpot, got it..thanks [22:57] MLanden, if you decide to go tomorrow I will be in a meego shirt, that should help you to pick out someone to talk to if everyone else seems too low level [22:57] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [22:58] Aidar-Nagato (~admin@81.30.184.67.dynamic.ufanet.ru) joined ##slackware. [23:01] istevenmon (~chatzilla@200.25.197.109) joined ##slackware. [23:01] hi guys, is there any software i could use to configure VRRP on my ethernet nics connected to different ISP ? [23:02] mfillpot, Does eclipse have a way to be run with a debug(from it's own SDK) ? [23:03] MLanden, I have not found a way yet.. but per some research many are saying it is an issue with xulrunner, which was not listed as a dependency on SBO, so I cam installing that now before pushing on to other tests [23:04] istevenmon, check out http://siag.nu/pen/vrrpd-linux.shtml [23:04] mfillpot, ouch** 1.9.1 or 1.9.2? [23:05] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:05] MLanden, 1.9.1.7 from SBO, if it fails I will try modifying the build for 1.9.2 or whatever the latest version it [23:06] mfillpot, good luck..know xulrunner can be buggy [23:06] j0k3r_ (~rddalceno@unaffiliated/j0k3r) left irc: Quit: cd ~/ [23:07] MLanden, I have been poking through various config files and web conversations for a week now trying to get it to work. [23:07] MLanden, once I actually get it working right then I will finally start trying to learn java [23:09] mfillpot, lol..hear ya...good to know with some devices that are using it's little brother(j2me) [23:11] MLanden, since I got the nexus one I have been wanting to dig around and figure out just what can be done with the hardware, and this appears to be the only way without rooting it [23:12] mfillpot, true [23:16] MLanden, it looks like alienbob got xulrunner to compile as a dependecy for vlc [23:17] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-213.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [23:17] tuvok302Lappy (Waffles@clgrtnt3-port-213.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [23:19] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [23:19] mfillpot, might be the way to go..use vlc? [23:20] I still plan to install vlc from alienbob's build, but it should not be hard to extract the compile procedures from the build file to make a xulrunner 1.9.2 build script. [23:22] Raggs (~c@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [23:22] nian (~jack@200-222.dsl.iskon.hr) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [23:22] mfillpot, no,it shouldn't be too hard...does eclipse use yasm or nasm for assembly cross-compiling? [23:24] MLanden, I believe I saw yasm in the documentation somewhere [23:24] Raggs (c@99-29-0-126.lightspeed.gdrpmi.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:26] mfillpot, ok [23:27] MLanden, I can't find any compiling or dependecy information on eclipse's website [23:32] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:33] MLanden, xulrunner 1.9.1.7 works, it fixed the issue [23:35] mfillpot, cool [23:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.219) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.224.219) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Now I need to document all of the crap I did so other slackware users can get the android SDK up and running [23:45] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:45] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-116-56.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:47] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [23:50] lol,mfillpot...was just wondering if xtide was ported over to j2me(or a similar program)..see there's jtides and atide [23:51] jga (1000@189.216.138.175) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:52] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:53] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:55] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:55] hello everyone [23:56] heya,Grifulkin [23:56] how are you MLanden ? [23:57] Nick change: bgs100 -> bgs000 [23:57] doin' great thanks,Grifulkin...yourself? [23:57] pretty good MLanden, is there any activity in here tonight? [23:58] slow at the moment,Grifulkin [23:58] |Slacker| (~tanis@201.86.28.221.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:58] ahh, I was hoping to help someone I'm bored [23:58] tripFantastic (1000@c-68-56-68-232.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:59] does anyone here use the toast pkgmgr? [23:59] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.38.170) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [00:00] --- Thu Jul 1 2010