[00:00] a is changing with a=a+1 [00:00] and would you want to do like a++ instead? [00:00] nullboy: get on the linux-wireless mailing list maybe, then do a "git pull" on that repo at the sign of a fix. [00:00] but it's doing "+1" instead of the interger 1 [00:00] a++ gives an error.. [00:00] Action: Wescotte can never seem to learn the damn syntax of bash [00:00] nor can I [00:00] so don't feel bad [00:01] I can write simplistic scripts.. that's about it [00:01] MrHales: yeah.. definitely watch reading noobfarm... you will piss yourself laughing if you aren't careful [00:01] I can't write simple ones cuz I keep running into stupid issues like this.. I end up doing shit in like php cuz I never figure it out [00:03] Wescotte: http://www.issociate.de/board/goto/953789/Increment_integer_using_Shell.html [00:03] Wescotte: first google search. [00:03] Wescotte: http://tinyurl.com/c3lj6y :D [00:05] agentc0re: ok, change what? [00:06] antler: in the ffmpeg part i'm enabling both shared and static [00:06] agentc0re: ok [00:07] antler: but there are more changes than just that. [00:07] Dominian: No, it's okay, I'm wearing my overnight diapers. [00:07] MrHales: haha [00:07] MrHales: just imagine what me and my admins have to go through when tryin to approve some of that stuff [00:07] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:08] Well, I made the mistake of sorting by rating. Only hurts when I laugh. Damn near killed me. [00:09] heh [00:09] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:09] yeah the ratings are still quite new [00:09] just need more people to vote and it'll get better [00:09] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.137) left irc: "leaving" [00:10] someone made another suggestion of keeping the rating as-is on how it sorts, but count the number of + and - votes [00:10] however.. to do that.. I'd have to clearn the ratings table out to make sure it doesn't skew the results [00:10] agentc0re: didn't you use the script for ffmpeg from slamd64builds ? [00:11] Garg (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:11] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Client Quit [00:12] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-135-103.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:12] I think the rating system works fine. The first two pages were lethal. [00:12] heh [00:13] the rating system is fine.. however, there's no way right now to accurately know how many people voted for a certain quote [00:13] not that it matters [00:13] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [00:14] can someone please tell me why a bot asks me to /msg nickserv identify [00:14] I can chat without it [00:14] he sets me +e what does that mean [00:14] M-tty (n=M-tty@166.188.76.117) joined ##slackware. [00:15] to identify your nick. Why don't you msg nicksev with help to learn more about it. [00:15] +e means extra pwnage [00:16] +e (identified user) You have identified yourself to NickServ. [00:16] http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml [00:17] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-113.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [00:18] hey, did I tell you have I remember the rm command..... rm -fr remove forcibly rape [00:18] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-113.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:27] Action: MrHales buries the conversation; it was dead. [00:27] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.137) joined ##slackware. [00:29] M-tty (n=M-tty@166.188.76.117) left irc: "used jmIrc" [00:30] IPA beer makes me sneeze. :P [00:30] Garg (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:30] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:31] alisonken1home (n=alisonke@pool-71-108-175-47.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:32] qemu slackbuild source link is down... [00:32] fluxnuk3r: email the maintainer? [00:33] agentc0re: i'm doing FFmpeg 0.5 right now to see where that gets me [00:33] thumbs: its 12.1...I probably will though [00:33] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:34] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] antler: were at the moment of truth again. [00:35] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:35] .o/ [00:35] this one is the best evar http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=1200 [00:36] antler: Lose an arm? [00:36] HAHAHAH nullboy [00:36] that's a good find. [00:36] agentc0re: no i just spiked a volleyball [00:36] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [00:36] Nick change: briareus_ -> briareus [00:38] antler: YEY new error!! [00:38] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:38] Action: agentc0re facepalms [00:38] antler: http://pastebin.learnix.net/31 [00:40] agentc0re: hahaha i'll let you know right away how it goes with 0.5. [00:40] antler: I have no idea why i got that error. [00:40] antler: here let me give you the modded build script. I had to remove some things from the ffmpeg build because their outdated. [00:41] agentc0re: i actually have a good feeling about .5 [00:41] though there's really no basis for why :P [00:41] antler: http://pastebin.learnix.net/32 [00:41] antler: heh, you just want it to work. [00:42] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:46] night all [00:47] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.238) left irc: "Leaving" [00:47] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) joined ##slackware. [00:48] xdan779 (n=daniel@64-233-207-75.static.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [00:52] agentc0re: what are you compiling on? only 4mins elapse between moment of truth and new error [00:53] antler: core2duo. [00:53] 2.66Ghz [00:53] I'm building everything, qt4 takes a long time. [00:54] anybody in #windows right now? somebody is trying to install vista drivers on xp.. [00:54] yeah, but didn't you have ffmpeg already so that you didn't need to use the ffmpeg part of the script? [00:54] hehe i am. [00:55] I don't have ffmpeg installed either. I am having the script do everything. Thats why it takes a while. [00:55] agentc0re: at least he got the 64bit part right.. [00:55] :D [00:56] So urxvt is fantastic, but my slack 12.2 system without X is missing the terminfo for it. [00:56] agentc0re: heh i'm saying 4mins ain't that long. i'm on an x2 3800+ 2.4 ghz and it seems to be taking forever to see an error, if there's an error.... [00:56] I try to do this: http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/rxvt-unicode/doc/rxvt.7.pod#When_I_log_in_to_another_system_it_t [00:56] it takes about 40 min to compile the whole thing for myself. [00:57] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) joined ##slackware. [00:57] but it gives me infocmp: couldn't open terminfo file /usr/share/terminfo/r/rxvt-unicode. [00:57] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [00:58] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:58] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [00:59] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:00] Motoko-chan: I thought we had fixed that bug [01:00] er, mooglenorph ^^ [01:00] mooglenorph: did you build that from SlackBuilds.org? [01:00] rworkman: yep [01:01] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/system/rxvt-unicode/ <-- from there?? [01:01] rworkman: how does Sbo fix the bug? setting termname to rxvt or something? or building with TERM=rxvt? [01:01] Action: mooglenorph nods [01:01] from there [01:01] Because it's fixed there, if it's what I think it is. [01:01] Just a sec [01:02] The problem is that my slackware system without urxvt is complaining about not having a terminfo file [01:02] .... 507 of 874gb.... [01:02] antler: Oooh, vlc 0.9.9 came out today. Maybe it was something fixed in there? who knows. Trying it now before i go to sleep. [01:03] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl4-204-89.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:03] oh nice.... that'd be a good 'sleep well you mofo' present, if it built :P [01:03] gbonvehim (i=1000@200.69.244.1) joined ##slackware. [01:04] gbonvehi (i=1000@200.69.244.1) left irc: "leaving" [01:04] DeeeeP (i=1003@bl8-110-239.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [01:05] mooglenorph: ohh, the terminfo file for that is shipped with rxvt-unicode - that's why it's missing. [01:05] Stock rxvt doesn't have unicode support [01:06] mooglenorph: I thought you were running into the bug we fixed with this: [01:06] TERMINFO=$PKG/usr/share/terminfo make install DESTDIR=$PKG [01:06] Yes. urxvt. which is what you get at that url, right...? [01:06] oh, no, I've got the terminfo on the system I built it on [01:08] why not just scp the terminfo file over to the other host? or am I misunderstanding something? [01:08] ...I am trying that now [01:08] tried setting --with-terminfo=/usr/share/terminfo ? [01:09] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Fantastic. scping it works. [01:10] ...I was mislead by the urxvt docs [01:11] Good. I think. :) [01:17] What on earth are they asking me to do in that FAQ...? Makes no sense. [01:18] BP{k}: Full Sail IPA, Thumbs Up. [01:18] oh this is just dandy. making mac n' cheese and we've run out of butter [01:18] Heh [01:18] agentc0re: nice. I had a Wychwood Fiddlers Elbow .. nicely drinkable :) [01:19] BP{k}: http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/160/237 ? [01:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:20] agentc0re: still in #windows? [01:20] fluxnuk3r: Yup, [01:20] The Fat Man's Plight: Needing to clip his toenails and breathe at the same time... [01:20] agentc0re: aye. :) not my most favourite f rom the wychwoods, but overal their beers aren't bad. [01:20] agentc0re: see the password? lol.. [01:21] Oh man, that sucks. [01:21] I'll admit this, i did that once. Had a space at the beginning of my command that i didn't notice. [01:22] Doing it in the #windows channel spells trouble though. [01:22] Oh man. [01:22] someone already took over his account. [01:22] lol [01:23] oops [01:24] I wish we had a better selection over here. [01:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:26] fluxnuk3r: Heh, i think it fits the moment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XgpR5o-uuA [01:29] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: "pebkac, id-10-t clicked the X ^_^" [01:30] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[01:46] agentc0re: k, night. i'll let you know as soon as it's done or i get an error [01:46] omfg [01:46] right back to the first error [01:46] :D [01:47] lowkyalu1 (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] gah, off to school =/ [01:49] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-023-055.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:50] damnit we're in the 21st cent. moving around a few gigs should NOT take this long! [01:52] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-135-103.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [01:54] How slow's it going,antler? [01:54] I'd hardly call 1TB a few. ;) [01:56] MLanden: about 65 - 85MB/sec for avi's, much lower for smaller files. [01:56] chopp: in the grand scheme of things? :P [01:56] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:56] ouch [01:57] MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) joined ##slackware. [01:57] _MakubeX (i=horas@ia.puu.la) joined ##slackware. [01:57] MLanden: lot of jpegs, family pictures and such.....so i'm not consistently getting 65 - 85 [01:58] IC [02:00] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:01] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:04] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [02:04] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp13292.salley.fsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:05] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-206-16-12.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [02:08] exit [02:08] DeiBellum (n=rwaters@dhcp13292.salley.fsu.edu) left irc: Client Quit [02:10] Camarade_Tux: what year at school? [02:12] take care,folks..good luck in all life's endeavors [02:12] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-113.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [02:14] Wdde (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:15] hi, I forget, what's the tool with which I can check off services (such as sshd, httpd, etc.) to be started/stoppd/etc.? [02:15] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [02:15] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:15] colmcille (n=colmcill@78.32.184.48) joined ##slackware. [02:16] Wdde: you need to remove the executable permission from files in /etc/rc.d/ [02:16] bijit (n=chatzill@200.122.188.156) joined ##slackware. [02:16] e.g., chmod -x /etc/rc.d/rc.wicd to prevent wicd from starting [02:16] there was some slackware-specific utliity on command-line with a ncurses frontend [02:17] Wdde: i'm not sure [02:17] bijit (n=chatzill@200.122.188.156) left irc: Client Quit [02:18] you can disable/enable services from pkgtool as well. [02:20] I think that's what I was thinking of (however at the moment it seems to be not working for me.. just "hangs up") [02:21] Wdde: run pkgtool goto Setup->services [02:23] gbonvehim, yep, that worked. thanks :) [02:23] (though it does concern me that pkgtool just "hangs up" in urxvt but starts up fine in xterm) [02:23] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) joined ##slackware. [02:24] probably because few people ran it after installation, most just chmod +-x what's needed heh [02:31] redtricycle (n=redtricy@32.142.15.114) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:32] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [02:33] Meckafett (i=meckafet@unaffiliated/meckafett) joined ##slackware. [02:34] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:39] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. 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[02:52] Action: The-Croupier waves at the wonderful channel [02:52] hows everybody doing this wonderful monday morning [02:53] this is ##slackware...wonderful is over there------------------------->#wonderful [02:53] but hello [02:54] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [02:54] well... [02:55] |ahmina| (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:56] what wireless cards are recommended with slackware? what would be any nice ones that slackware could take advantage of most of their capabilities? ;) [02:57] my intel 3945 works perfect [02:58] broadcom bcm43xx too [02:59] anything with an atheros chipset is recommended by me. [02:59] lol [02:59] basically, most cards nowdays are supported :) [03:00] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:01] i dont mean supported.. cos my intel3945 works fine too ;) [03:02] i mean.. what is recommended to "take advantage" of most of their capabilities ...especially in monitor mode..for testing [03:04] oh wifi crking! :P [03:04] atheros then [03:05] the rtl8187 USB adapter can do the dirty too [03:05] http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=install_drivers&DokuWiki=c7914e0e66d0e17c198028746d7abc60 [03:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [03:07] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.18) joined ##slackware. [03:08] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [03:08] I've always had issues with broadcom chips but I haven't used one in probably a year or so.. [03:09] The-Croupier, rt2500. 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[03:23] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:23] i did [03:23] i'm using it right now [03:23] aah hey eviljames [03:25] neonflux_ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:25] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [03:27] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [03:27] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:27] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [03:28] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. 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[03:32] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] neonflux_^ (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [03:33] cr3 (n=cr3@xdsl-1230.zgora.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [03:33] hi [03:33] what to do if i lose connection after couple of minutes [03:33] and then i have to reboot [03:34] ip,router,resolv.conf is fine [03:34] my i can't restore connection using dhclient after ~10 minutes from boot [03:35] are you reaching any sort of buffer limit? ie: tx or rx reaches a threshold and stops? [03:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-166-254.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:35] some more details wouldn't hurt [03:36] cr3, are you using wpa_suplicant? [03:37] john_dee: no i'm not using wpa_supplicant [03:37] as far as i know :P [03:37] eviljames: how do i know if there's buffer limit? [03:37] no i don't think so [03:38] cr3, ok :) i had an issue with it losing connection not long ago so.. [03:40] i've copied ifconfig,route,cat resolv.conf but it doesn't help if i enter them manually after losing connection [03:40] what type of connection is it? [03:41] try changing the wifi channel on the router/ap [03:41] apsides (i=apsides@gateway/tor/x-c61e4cda35080178) left irc: "." [03:41] before trying a new kernel or wifi module heh [03:42] but we still don't know if it is wifi or not [03:42] no it's not wifi :P [03:42] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:42] damn [03:42] heheh [03:43] cr3: if you don't use dhcp at all does it works? [03:44] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.18) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:45] obnauticus_ (n=obnautic@c-71-236-216-76.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:45] what do you mean? there's dhcp request during boot, but after i lose connection, if i type 'dhclient -r' and type ip manually it doesnt help [03:45] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.18) joined ##slackware. [03:45] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:45] kill dhclient and use static ip [03:46] just to check if there's something wrong with it :) [03:46] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) joined ##slackware. [03:47] evanton (i=omgomg@gateway/tor/x-6a86cdcb87b13afe) joined ##slackware. [03:48] cr3, i would suggest reboot, and change router password. ;) for a start... [03:48] tr0nd (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) joined ##slackware. [03:49] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:52] tr0nd (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:58] SiegeX (i=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [03:59] v4nelle (n=van@adsl69-199.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:00] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:00] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. 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[04:43] Dan-` (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:43] Dan-` (i=Dan@Luke.IPv6.1986.ro) joined ##slackware. [04:44] could anybody suggest a livecd for anonymous browsing? I've just tried Anonym.OS but apps just segfault [04:45] stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:45] what kind of compiz is bundled with slack 12.2? is it compiz-fusion? [04:47] Sergio (n=Sergio@unaffiliated/sergio) left irc: "..." [04:48] <_RadioHead> evanton: slax [04:48] <_RadioHead> ? [04:48] evanton, backtrack3 maybe? [04:49] _RadioHead: does it have the browser and IM clients anonymized by default? I strongly doubt that [04:49] evanton, use any livecd, then setup tor and privoxy [04:49] <_RadioHead> evanton: i don`t understand fully [04:50] I'm googling now, but I've asked hoping that somebody uses such a livecd. I wasted a couple of hours to download this Anonym.OS just to discover that it does not work [04:50] Strykar: that would be an answer for another question, not for mine [04:50] habtool (n=habtool@86.41.65.157) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [04:50] <_RadioHead> i don`t know how do you mean anonym... [04:51] evanton: you can do it yourself on slackware [04:51] slackbuilds has everything you need [04:51] _RadioHead: hide the IP by using TOR, modify the TTL to behave like another OS, provide a way to use a custom User-Agent, do not store cookies and temporary files [04:52] Anakin (i=anakin@unaffiliated/anakin) left irc: [04:52] nullboy: I know and I'm using it, but I want a livecd that I could bring with me [04:52] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: [04:53] <_RadioHead> evanton: then take slax as example rebuild make live cd for your need and use it [04:54] nullboy (i=nullboy@gateway/tor/x-89c074b956de3454) joined ##slackware. [04:54] evanton, have you looked up livecds in tor's docs [04:54] _RadioHead: very funny. I didn't ask you to build a livecd for me, I've just asked for a suggestion if you know one [04:54] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [04:55] <_RadioHead> evanton: it was sugestion. and it is funny since u ask [04:55] http://tork.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/LiveCD [04:56] https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter <------ Look uncer LiveCD [04:56] Action: evanton sighs [04:56] too much reading? [04:58] thanks for the suggestions [04:59] nullboy (i=nullboy@gateway/tor/x-89c074b956de3454) left ##slackware ("null"). [04:59] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [05:00] evanton (i=omgomg@gateway/tor/x-6a86cdcb87b13afe) left irc: [05:02] no compiz users here, eh.. [05:05] E[m]ess (n=emess@203.161.103.250.static.amnet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:05] john_dee: kde4 ftw [05:06] Zordrak, may be may be... [05:07] mannynix (n=mannynix@201.164.97.137) left irc: "leaving" [05:17] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-220-146.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [05:20] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.46.41) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:23] no maybe about it [05:23] it's fact# [05:24] I mould NEVER use KDE3 and always used console or, if necessary, fluxbox [05:24] but KDE4 has changed all that [05:24] it is the absolute nuts [05:25] whats the difference? [05:25] besides prettier? [05:26] It functions as an integrated operating system rather than a bunch of applications that barely speak the same language [05:26] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:26] I'm on fvwm-crystal... the liberty in terms of configuration is just awsome [05:26] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:26] Zordrak: that almost seems like windows (except the "function" part) [05:27] and where compiz-fusion provides funkiness, the KDE4 graphical bits actually increase my productivity [05:27] i dont knom how I lived before Desktop Grid [05:27] frullet (n=hooch@124-170-220-146.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [05:28] and the Device Notifier applet is fantastic.. instead of that windowsy "You pluggud something in! do something with it now!" it just discreetly advises it picked something up [05:29] theres too much to talk about.. go install -current and see for yourselves [05:30] Zordrak: the point of having different wms/desktops to choose is that we don't like the same [05:30] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [05:30] a new name for an existing thing [05:30] i know where kde4 is, but i still prefer musca [05:30] I think kde4 is great in the way that brings non-expert users close to the OS [05:31] musca? [05:32] gbonvehim: Dont get all defensive it's too early in the morning! I'm well aware that different environments suite different people and am not saying you have to use kde4... but i was asked about it and my opinion is that it is great and I advise anyone who hasnt tried it to try it and see how *they* feel about it [05:32] oh i didn't read the part where they asked about your opinion, good to know then :) [05:33] i tought you were kmessias or something [05:33] bah.. no.. i never used kde before v4 cause it sucked [05:33] hard [05:33] im thoroughly a console fluxbox man... or i was [05:33] i won't say it sucked since my father was able to use it an even "install" a printer [05:34] but yeah, kde4's progress has been huge [05:34] but on servers im still 100% runlevel3 and FB if X is required [05:34] I'm waiting for 4.3 (which is expected in july) -- I reckon slack 13 will probably have that.. I'll try it then :) [05:34] Wdde: *nod* [05:34] theres a lot already fixed in trunk from 4.2 [05:34] it def needs another release [05:34] Zordrak: some people don't like being on -current [05:35] gbonvehim: me included... but i went current to test KDE4 for my home (media) desktop and found t so useful to my work productivity i'm staying on it here [05:35] but i will prolly stick to Slack 13 when its out [05:36] rather than stay current [05:36] it's only a shame that the most useful kde app is broken, though [05:37] which is? [05:37] k3b [05:38] is it broken? [05:38] use graveman meanwhile :) [05:38] havent used it yet [05:39] I'm using k3b from 12.2 [05:39] it works [05:40] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [05:52] bah.. growisofs for me [05:53] Zordrak, well, i've only seen screenshots. so it can be ftw as well as smb %) [05:55] agree on kde3 though. it's bloat and... not pretty :d [05:59] oh shit [05:59] ie8 is go [06:00] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:00] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) joined ##slackware. [06:00] damn kde4 isn't easy on my laptop :) [06:00] takes up 50% cpu power [06:01] phew... it's only beta2 [06:01] :( [06:01] i didn't know that [06:01] Stutteringmatt: hmm [06:01] Stutteringmatt: not doing it to me [06:02] plasma uses about 137M RAM.. and uses between 0% and 5% cpu [06:02] my cpu plasmoid shows 50% [06:02] kwin is the same for cpu.. but about 28M RAM [06:03] "System Monitor - CPU" ? [06:03] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [06:03] dunno what's it's name is, it's the cpu plasmoid [06:04] how did you get to it? [06:04] add graphical components from that widgets menu [06:05] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [06:06] if you right click on the monitor does it say "System Monitor - CPU Settings Ctrl+S" [06:06] ? [06:06] yes [06:07] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [06:07] yeah.. mine is avging about 20% and peaking up to 45%.. but i have firefox(x4), eclipse, thunderbird, skype, kopete and a konsole open [06:09] i only got irssi and 2 other plasmoids running [06:11] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) joined ##slackware. [06:11] it's insane [06:11] when i start firefox it goes up to max [06:12] Does plasmoids really amp up the cpu usage that much? [06:12] no [06:12] gonna try a reboot [06:12] plan [06:12] huh? [06:12] that is a good... [06:13] Stutteringmatt (n=tr0nd@mail.vaggeryd.se) left irc: "Lost terminal" [06:13] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. 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[07:55] Slackware is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches [07:57] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [07:57] troll warning [07:59] y'think? [07:59] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.17.8) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:59] :) [07:59] Slackware is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches [07:59] think? are you kidding!? %) [07:59] *sigh* [08:00] credo (n=name@80.233.147.119) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:00] ballmer is the man [08:01] Action: Zordrak thinks back to the good ol' days when the trolls at least had some kind of an attempt at a valid statement [08:01] duryo (n=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-4a446129e0e07f37) joined ##slackware. [08:01] this has nothing to do with thinking. this is more of a physical process like say defecation ))) [08:01] Slackware is cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches [08:02] bot warning [08:02] just ignore it.. someone will poke slackboy soon enough [08:06] ArcticPenguin (n=ArcticPe@c-76-127-212-67.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:10] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77641.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:14] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-77-50.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:17] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-79-130.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:18] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. 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[08:51] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [08:54] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [08:54] <_arfon_> Anyone awake? [08:54] no.. I'm sleep ircing [08:54] it has become a common problem [08:55] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [08:55] <_arfon_> Hmm, you need to get off that sleep aid that makes you do things like drive, cook and IRC while sleeping. [08:55] <_arfon_> That's bad stuff [08:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:57] nah.. its good stuff [08:57] <_arfon_> Ambien [08:57] I get more done before 2am than most people get done all day [08:57] <_arfon_> That's the stuff [08:57] while I"m still sleeping! [08:57] klodovik (n=klodovik@unaffiliated/klodovik) joined ##slackware. [08:58] <_arfon_> Yeah? check out that report you wrote at 2am this morning... You left out all of the verbs! [08:58] shit [08:58] <_arfon_> See, you left out the verbs again [08:58] <_arfon_> You need to quit that Ambien [09:01] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:01] no no [09:01] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left irc: "Leaving" [09:01] i think he needs to increase the doseage [09:01] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-160-225.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:02] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:02] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [09:11] bono (i=bono@118-160-168-175.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [09:13] Starchaser (n=geek@80.66.88.130) left irc: ">340 O C<5@ =5 1K;> =8:>3>, :B> 1K MB> >?@>25@3" [09:14] kamaji (n=kamaji@80.176.136.100) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:14] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.61.110) joined ##slackware. [09:18] I want some of that [09:18] irc while asleep sounds fun [09:18] heh [09:18] or writing reports while you sleep [09:18] I could have that dream with that red head and her friend while writing me reports! [09:18] the possibilities are endless [09:19] [ in bed ] [09:19] Nick change: kamaji_ -> kamaji [09:21] :D [09:21] sounds like a good plan! [09:21] bleh.. [09:21] im too stoned to code today [09:21] building this little php website to manage ip addresses [09:22] doesnt sound too difficult [09:22] nah not really [09:22] i have some functions that does the subnet calculations also [09:22] i just have to put it together you know [09:23] I see [09:23] i just made a small database with two tables, one for the subnets, one for the hosts [09:23] just not today, eh? [09:23] eh well [09:23] i might finish it tonight :P [09:23] hehe [09:23] but its okay, i have nothing urgent to do today.. i'll just slack this monday away [09:24] I was supposed to go to university today [09:24] but I just stayed in bed [09:24] yeah i overslept and came in three hours late to the office :P [09:24] boss was just laughing at me :P [09:24] three hours [09:24] lol [09:24] couldhave been worse [09:24] yeah [09:24] of course [09:25] he was just like "bwahaha, three hours?! man you suck!!" [09:25] nice [09:25] I guess you are mostly on time [09:25] yeah usually im in at like 8 in the morning [09:25] today i came in at 11 ;P [09:25] almost time for lunch break ^-^ [09:25] but also usually on mondays i never come in early [09:26] around 9ish is normal on mondays [09:26] 8 the rest of the week [09:26] heh [09:26] i dont like to get up early on mondays :D [09:26] nobody does [09:26] well, nobody sane [09:26] tru [09:26] kama (n=kama@host116-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [09:26] I hope I dont get into trouble, tho. not sure how important that day way [09:26] ah yes, crazy party this weekend.. no wonder i slept so much [09:26] you are lucky [09:27] kama (n=kama@host116-115-dynamic.2-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:27] :D [09:27] vid from the party, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWYi1FItA7k [09:27] heh [09:27] are on that flick? [09:27] and this one, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khspjDjolcE [09:27] nah i dont think im in those clips [09:27] im going for a smoke [09:27] brb [09:28] eh, wild [09:28] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-160-225.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [09:28] Nick change: kethry_ -> kethry [09:28] I like the way the cam vibrates ^-^ [09:29] bono (i=bono@114-45-225-125.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [09:31] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:31] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [09:32] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [09:33] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [09:34] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) joined ##slackware. [09:34] <_arfon_> Any of you know how to gracefully hide the /cgi-bin/ directory in a URL? Meaning my cgi-bin is under public_html/cgi-bin and to execute scripts, ppl; must http://www.blah.net/cgi-bin/helloworld.pl and I want only http://www.blah.net/helloworld.pl... It's early Monday but I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. [09:34] funny, as I've managed to get a working kernel with 2.6.29, they've changed the wpa module and rendered the proprietary broadcom sta wireless driver useless [09:39] _arfon_,#apache [09:39] _arfon_: I don't think you can do that [09:40] you try to execute it that way and apache will assume its in the / of that domain [09:40] was broadcom proprietary-anything ever useful? :| [09:40] hence the reason for cgi-bin [09:42] you can make your / act as a cgi-bin though [09:42] but thats not really safe i guess [09:42] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-96-254.ip86.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Salve a tutti [09:43] gnubien (n=e@63.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:43] Dr4kk4r_, Guen Tag [09:43] damn [09:44] goedemiddag [09:44] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.223.242) joined ##slackware. [09:45] how can I install slackware into my laptop with CDROM only but without DVDROM. My slackware is in DVD disc.. [09:45] AzalynX at least for me its better than b43 [09:45] tsolox, download the cd version man [09:46] IntangibleLiquid: any other creative ways...because I have another laptop with DVDROM..can't i network them together...something like that? [09:47] i also have a huge external hard disk...i can copy the installer into that HD... [09:47] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-96-254.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:47] tsolox: usb installer might work best [09:48] tsolox, pxe boot might be an opinion too [09:48] err, an option [09:48] thrice`: given i can boot using another linux distro,..then i already copy the slackware installer into an external harddisk..how can i switch to that HD/? [09:48] man, I cant spell today [09:48] can i still run setup from the HD? [09:49] you want to install slackware onto the disk which already contains the other distro ? [09:49] say, iL mount the HD into /mnt/storage, then run setup ?? [09:49] thrice`: no, ,,..i meant livecd.. [09:49] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:49] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [09:50] http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/30/0049204&from=rss Ubuntu > Vista. LOL [09:50] iL boot in a livecd..then mount the hard disk that contains the slackware installer... [09:50] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-137-146.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:51] dave_ (n=dave@host242.lfra.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:55] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [09:56] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-127.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:59] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:06] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:08] dave_ (n=dave@host242.lfra.co.uk) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [10:14] does slack have a livecd? [10:15] no [10:15] i misunderstood him, then [10:15] you can boot the install cd [10:16] of course [10:16] it has a (limited) system on it [10:21] my laptop has only cdrom..the slackware is on dvd [10:23] slack comes on cd's too [10:24] i only have dvd... [10:25] can't i copy this into external hd..boot my laptop with livecd..mount external hd..the install slackware from there/? [10:25] baazil1 (n=chatzill@CN-ESR1-74-215-82-196.fuse.net) joined ##slackware. [10:26] can i get help with Thunderbird here? [10:26] did you get it installed properly? on slackware? [10:27] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) joined ##slackware. [10:27] booteco (n=booteco@189.115.85.55) left irc: "Leaving" [10:28] tsolox: yes you can [10:29] tsolox, you only need to point it at a package DB [10:29] so yes [10:29] or repo rather [10:30] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:31] booteco (n=booteco@189.115.85.55) joined ##slackware. [10:31] baazil1: State the issue first; then we can see if there's help for you [10:31] booteco (n=booteco@189.115.85.55) left irc: Client Quit [10:31] booteco (n=booteco@189.115.85.55) joined ##slackware. [10:31] martian67: no need for online access to repo. he can use the iso image of already downloaded dvd (or copy-ed and shared trough nfs, samba...et) [10:31] The-spiki, i wasnt implying online ;) [10:31] a repo can be local too ya know ;) [10:32] martian67: correct. you did not say online... [10:33] _RadioHead (n=DevBox@82.114.94.18) left irc: "Leaving" [10:33] when i decided to switch to slack, the first thing I did was set up my own repo on my webserver [10:33] why? [10:34] The-spiki: sorry...you mean, i can boot from livecd of another linux distro..mount then HD...then run setup from that HD? [10:35] The-spiki: do i still need to chroot also? [10:35] martian67: why not? [10:35] just seems kinda silly :P [10:35] i expect to do a fair number of installs... [10:36] i would like to transfer/import/sync my Macintosh Thunderbird profile over to my PC laptop. Is this possible? I want to take all the folders I've created, all the rules (filters), etc. [10:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: "leaving" [10:36] is this possible? [10:36] baazil1: imap can help partially [10:36] does MAC have a .thunderbird folder in your profile on there? [10:36] no need for IMAP if there's a .thunderbird folder [10:37] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:37] baazil1: what I do.. I tar -cf thunderbird.tar .thunderbird then move the .tar file over to my new installation... tar xf thunderbird.tar in my /home directory where my user resides.. then boot up TB.. everything comes back magically :) [10:38] _arfon_ (n=arfon@ip67-95-13-58.z13-95-67.customer.algx.net) left ##slackware. [10:39] IntangibleLiquid (n=fresco20@115.73.61.110) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:40] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.18) joined ##slackware. [10:40] tsolox: no. no need for that. [10:41] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-479f947d1e70e6b7) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:41] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.223.242) left ##slackware. [10:42] tsolox: boot from slackware install cd (it is "live")... then point it to where your dvd is copied (as iso image, nfs or samba sharing)... [10:42] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-a16916b79c463948) joined ##slackware. [10:43] and you can boot from mini iso or usb key... no need to download full install cd... [10:44] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackboot/mini/ [10:44] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:44] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [10:45] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [10:48] smica (n=smica@h144-46.pool212-16.dyn.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [10:49] tr_ (i=1001@h66.149.255.206.cable.pnbl.cablelynx.com) joined ##slackware. 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[11:31] sahko: there is no SBo script [11:31] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A77641.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [11:31] hmm. does vbox have one? [11:31] have what? [11:31] arcaos_ (n=chatzill@190.177.181.244) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:31] maybe you shoudl actually look before recommending [11:31] i confuse those 3, incl qemu [11:32] thrice`: shoot me [11:32] its the IRC anyway [11:32] if only such things were possible through the internet [11:32] i can recommend anything [11:32] haha [11:32] arcaos_ (n=chatzill@190.177.182.41) joined ##slackware. [11:32] thrice` the Irckiller [11:32] :) [11:33] pupit: sorry i dont know then [11:33] sahko nevermind.. ;) [11:34] othermindszine (n=othermin@207.224.113.38) joined ##slackware. [11:35] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [11:36] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [11:37] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA65AC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. 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[12:18] but that doesn't come packaged with slackware iirc [12:18] nope, wireshark is in SBo [12:19] Ojg (n=Ojg@c-83-233-228-68.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [12:19] well i'd recommend it anyway :) [12:20] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:20] tcpdump too [12:21] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [12:21] theres one like wireshark that comes preinstalled... its not tcpdump... anyone remember? [12:21] it analyses ethx and other stuff [12:21] iptraf ? [12:21] thats it [12:21] thanks [12:26] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:29] does anyone knows how to enable compiz?? do I need to install anything extra? [12:30] i've always used compiz manager [12:31] there are some changes in x.org, specifically enabling glx [12:31] and some nvidia options if you use that, but compiz-manager should get things going =) [12:31] phrag: compiz manager? my card is an ati radeon mobility x300 [12:32] phrag: in my xorg i added Section "Extensions" Option "Composite" "True" EndSection [12:34] phrag: I also read that I need to add Option "AIGLX" "True" to the ServerLayout, but not sure [12:34] nvidia-xconfig --composite [12:34] ccsm should start the manager if installed [12:35] Herman (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:35] you also want emerald theme manager [12:35] phrag: i don't have nvidia card [12:35] oh sorry, ok well composite how you did it [12:36] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. 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[13:24] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:25] does alarok have cd ripping capabilities built in? if so where the fsck is it? =) [13:25] I just use k3b to do that [13:27] i use cdparanoia but if my musc manager had the capabilities built in then i would just use that since it is open omst of the time [13:27] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [13:27] rhythmbox has it built in , it rips to *.oga [13:28] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] hey Dominian, about smtpd..... [13:28] ? [13:28] AusLoki (n=AusLoki@f053035158.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:29] filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:29] how do i extract the files from an iso file into a folder [13:29] _filipe_xD (n=filipe@laptop-do-filipe.inrede.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:29] AusLoki: you have to loop mount the iso first.. then cp them over [13:29] i have included rbl's and now in the process of adding smtp auth, but this isn't stopping the problem which is.... [13:29] AusLoki: mount -o loop /path/to/file.iso /mnt/whatever [13:29] AusLoki: and that has to be done as root btw [13:30] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:30] ip's from china connecting and holding the connection, we only allow 40 and each timesout after 20 mins..... meaning we cannot send mail if they have all 40 connections open [13:30] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Dominian: thanks [13:30] 2nd question: how would i make a usb drive bootable? [13:31] jonsmith1982: use geoip iptables module to drop IP connections from CH [13:31] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) left irc: SendQ exceeded [13:31] i have a bootable cd [13:31] and I want to copy everything to a usb drive to make it bootable [13:32] jonsmith1982: Change the time out for connetions... 20mins seems quite a long time [13:32] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) joined ##slackware. [13:33] do you guys upload your GnuPG pub keys to the server or do you just do it via email? [13:34] server [13:35] frullet, third out of five in my engineering degree (but it seems French people understand "engineer" differently from the English ones) [13:35] can i just copy the files from the iso and it will work? [13:35] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [13:36] Camarade_Tux: what type of engineering? [13:36] AusLoki checkout the directory isolinux in slackware [13:36] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [13:36] AusLoki, usb-and-pxe-installers, sorry. [13:38] nullboy, I have yet to specialize more but basically it has to do with computers or electronics (could be programming, raw electronics, a complete mix...) [13:38] Camarade_Tux: nice [13:39] Camarade_Tux: in the US we refer to engineers in damn near very field [13:39] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:39] (not that it's bad though, not at all) [13:40] in France there aren't many engineers and an engineering degree is (very) valuable, we make a real difference between engineers and technicians [13:41] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:43] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "User disconnected" [13:45] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [13:46] bono (i=bono@114-45-225-125.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [13:46] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.244.236) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.93.236.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:49] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.18) joined ##slackware. [13:50] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.95.250) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@93-42-96-254.ip86.fastwebnet.it) left irc: "Leaving" [13:54] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) joined ##slackware. [13:54] hi [13:54] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.196.249) joined ##slackware. [13:55] how can i install a slackware (DVD) to my laptop which does not have a DVD drive...? [13:56] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:56] i tried usb stick, did 'dd if=usboot.img of=/dev/sdb bs=512', but my laptop didnt' boot.. [13:57] tsolox: it's not that direct, afaik, please check this: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:usbboot [13:57] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@61.17.22.44) left irc: "Leaving" [13:59] baazil1 (n=chatzill@CN-ESR1-74-215-82-196.fuse.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:00] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [14:00] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [14:00] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.18) left irc: "Leaving." [14:00] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:00] I want voice chat over Yahoo's messenger service. What's best? [14:01] By "best", I mean "it works reliably and doesn't have a lot of obscure dependencies" [14:02] rg3: the doc always said, 'local hard disk partition' to contain the rest of the packages. Does it mean, that copying the packages into an external harddisk and mounting this external hd later on won't work? [14:02] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [14:02] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:02] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [14:03] MrHales: I would be tempted to say Windows - but you asked for "reliably" and "not a lot of obscure dependencies" [14:03] hahahaa [14:04] tsolox: you can mount that external harddrive partition after booting from the usb stick. As long as it is mounted when you start "setup" [14:04] P4C0 (n=susana@200.124.22.34) joined ##slackware. [14:04] Well, gyache and it's forks all *appear* abandoned... [14:04] Kopete and Pidgin don't support voice... yet [14:05] Action: phrag is still waiting for gmail sms support in the UK [14:05] Really, I don't really care about voice, but I have one friend I speak to often and it's eating through my cell minutes [14:05] skype ? [14:05] Arno[Slack] (i=100@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:05] kopete doesn't support webcam playback? for yahoo? [14:06] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:09] P4C0: As far as I can discern, it doesn't support Yahoo's media chatting, yet [14:09] Of course, that's by Google, and not personal experience [14:11] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.145.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [14:11] is it me or /var/log/messages in slackware -current is full of Mar 30 13:10:08 darkstar dbus-daemon: Rejected send message, 1 matched rules; type="method_call", sender=":1.55" (uid=1000 pid=5312 comm="/usr/bin/plasma ") interface="org.freedesktop.DBus.Introspectable" member="Introspect" error name="(unset)" requested_reply=0 destination="org.freedesktop.Hal" (uid=0 pid=2668 comm="/usr/sbin/hald --daemon=yes ")) ?? [14:12] MrHales: yup, i just tested it and it says that it's not supported, however I found this: "http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=kopete webcam support" maybe it was supported and something changed [14:13] WTF... someone please correct me if i'm wrong.. but it looks like magpieRSS hasnt been updated in 4 years, is full of security holes found in the last 4 years... and yet it's still widely used all over the place including stuff such as wordpress [14:13] yep. .its still used [14:14] I nearly yelled at our webdev for using something full of holes and not actively developed.... but it seems so is everyone else! What gives? [14:16] Dominian: assuming its in WP which is on your server.. does it not concern you that it's full of holes? [14:17] Zordrak: well, I don't think it IS in wordpress [14:17] perhaps an old link [14:19] it scares me even more that running 0.72 through a syntax check shows theres a tag without its closing ">" in magpie_slashbox.php [14:19] if *that* got through into release, christ knows what else did [14:19] Anyone here use gyach/e/i? Or have used it? [14:19] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:19] if it's any consolation, we've been getting some wordpress issues here as well [14:20] MrHales (n=hales@12.24.239.145) joined ##slackware. [14:20] That was.. odd [14:20] it's not.. this isnt wordpress it's a corporate website that im responsible for, but i am forced to use a moron of an external webdev for [14:21] antler (n=antler@unaffiliated/antler) joined ##slackware. [14:22] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-208-111-237-227-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) joined ##slackware. [14:23] AusLoki (n=AusLoki@f053035158.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: [14:23] agentc0re: so, i had no luck yesterday even with ffmpeg 0.5. [14:25] tsolox (n=guest@120.28.196.249) left irc: "leaving" [14:26] antler: :( [14:27] antler: There are quite a few build changes though, so that's probably why. [14:27] I have everything building fine but VLC... It's now complaining about schroedinger [14:27] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-010-059.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:28] lowkyalur (n=low@dslb-088-070-010-059.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:28] agentc0re|work: i'll probably just wait; alienBOB said that he'll package vlc for slamd64 soon. [14:29] Well i've gotten so involved into it, I wanna know why it's not working and fix it. It's bothering the crap outa me. [14:29] antler: I am building vl-0.9.9 for slackware 12.2 at the moment... with Qt4 included, and inside a virtual machine that takes about half a day [14:29] That script should work for slamd64 though [14:30] alienBOB: both agentc0re|work and i haven't been successful [14:31] Well I do have a working SlackBuild for 64bit [14:31] alienBOB: gui or command line version? [14:32] Hm? [14:32] alienBOB: I was working on getting your script working for slamd64 yesterday but with no luck. turned out that ffmpeg needed to be compiled with static and shared. I had upgraded it to the lastest svn as of yesterday, which also required some modifications to the build options. [14:32] j14159 (n=jeremy@154.5.76.16) joined ##slackware. [14:32] I have a series of updates - using ffmpeg 0.5 is only one of them [14:34] alienBOB: nm, i'm probably confused from reading too many posts on the forums [14:34] alienBOB: Using your script, i've updated ffmpeg, vlc -0.9.9, liboil and schroedinger. This morning it failed before i went to work @ vlc build. It couldn't find schroedinger, but i checked the vlcdeps dir under usr/include and it was there with it's proper symlink. [14:35] alienBOB: oh, that's what it was: a user said that he successfully compiled vlc w/o qt4. you responded something along the lines of, "you'll only have a commandline version" [14:37] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:40] harmattan (n=harmatta@82.158.225.145.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:40] telemarketer (n=westburi@adsl-99-188-81-185.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:41] cool.......a slackware room!!! [14:43] anyone have luck with getting an ENCORE wifi card working in slackware ? [14:43] alruna_ (n=hasse@c-a0dae455.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [14:43] othermindszine (n=othermin@235.sub-70-192-68.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:48] goodbye [14:48] sorry i d'ont speak english [14:49] ziosa (n=ziosa@host-78-13-135-178.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) left ##slackware. [14:49] goddamn eclipse should be renamed the CrashMobile [14:51] Italians should start getting proper education instead of re-electing a semi-dictator every time who takes all the power & money [14:52] alienBOB: what if it's a choice between a semi-dictator and a dictator-dictator? :P [14:52] Greyhound- (i=Greyhoun@89.44.40.37) joined ##slackware. [14:53] alienBOB: agree!! it's usually difficult to deal with them... specially the ones from Roma [14:53] alienBOB: can i try your working script for slamd64? [14:53] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [14:53] alienBOB: with the new dhcpcd, do you get much more output during initialization? Lots of debug output, it seems [14:54] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [14:54] thrice`: yes, it is on my TODO to do something about rc.inet1 some day ... [14:54] antler: not yet [14:54] alienBOB: ok, just confirming :) [14:55] mohaa (n=mohaa@ANantes-157-1-56-159.w86-214.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:55] alienBOB: ok [14:55] antler: I am not in a particular hurry to make a SlackBuild available for slamd64 *before* I have made a Slackware package of it ... [14:56] How do I make rcp.statd start? [14:56] I tried starting rc.nfsd, but my /etc/exports is empty, I just want it to connect to another computer. [14:56] gspca is still issue :| [14:57] alienBOB: yeah :) [14:57] this in kernel driver is a freak [14:57] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) joined ##slackware. [14:57] I get: mount.nfs: rpc.statd is not running but is required for remote locking. When i try to mount. [14:58] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:58] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.87.149.45) joined ##slackware. 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[15:19] _filipe_xD, meu broder [15:20] mmlj4 (n=jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:21] lymeca (n=lymeca@213-213-141-71.xdsl.is) got lost in the net-split. [15:21] bob_slacker: rworkman unban you ? [15:21] gar0t0, buy a dog and take care of him [15:22] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:22] gar0t0, resumindo, cuida da tua vida! :D [15:24] k [15:24] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-45-155-91-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] bob_slacker: careful [15:25] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:25] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-66-45-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:25] alienBOB: sic 'im Bob [15:25] Action: Zordrak unclips leash [15:25] kethry (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. [15:26] alienBOB, i'm ok here, that pederast stay pulling my leg! [15:27] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [15:27] bob_slacker: again - stay polite [15:27] Or leave [15:28] thanks alienBOB ^^ [15:28] (for gspca) [15:28] lol [15:28] lizardius (n=florian@p4FDA65AC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "quit(quit(quit()))" [15:28] gar0t0 my friend ;-) [15:28] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:28] who is bob_slacker ? [15:29] alienBOB: are you ok ? [15:29] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-162-137-55.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [15:29] Yeah I'm fine. I have to fill in my taxes forms but I am too lame to look for all the bills and stuff [15:31] . [15:32] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] are this changes: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/hal.conf.txt in -current already? [15:33] P4C0: Which changes are those/ [15:34] alienBOB: lol!! I need to learn "pay less taxes" [15:35] eviljames: in my case, to allow methods on the Introspectable interface for dbus [15:36] kethry_ (n=kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:39] Sheshes (n=chris@5ac46f12.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [15:39] telemarketer (n=westburi@adsl-99-188-81-185.dsl.hstntx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] When I type startx, it starts x fine, loading all modules properly. I want to change some parameters for my trackpad but /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty. If i run xorg -configure then it starts x but no modules are loaded. Also in /etc/modules no modules are loaded. Neither in rc.local neither in modprobe.d. Is this normal? [15:40] ZenShador (n=shador@p5B0CFA79.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:41] P4C0: no, not yet. Coming soon, I hope :) [15:43] rworkman: i didn't know if i got your address right; did you receive my email about hal having some problems with removable encrypted drives? [15:43] pirving (n=john@cpe-74-75-45-156.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:43] rg3: I did; I'm planning to look at that in my next free moment. I plan to compare what you're doing with the stuff in exo and thunar [15:44] rworkman: ok, thanks for looking into it [15:44] np [15:45] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:47] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-66-45-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:48] rworkman: I also emailed you about bluetooth :) hehe [15:48] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-45-149-30-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:49] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [15:49] rworkman: do you know if there's a knemo for kde4 coming in one of the next updates? :) [15:50] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.108.66) joined ##slackware. [15:50] the creator of knemo stated he won't port to kde4 [15:50] and rworkman I just mailed you about a xserver bug [15:50] hello happy slackers [15:50] Dominian: there's a more or less official kde4 port on kde-apps [15:50] Tyrael_: what was that bug? [15:50] LnxSlck, save Bob! :D [15:51] Nick change: nullboy -> nullbob [15:51] helloo there [15:51] \o/ [15:51] hwiesinger: well son of a bitch [15:51] hwiesinger: link? [15:51] Dominian: pending... [15:51] LnxSlck, whatz the newz? [15:51] Action: Dominian will have to check openSUSE repos to see if its been "added" yet [15:51] hwiesinger: pending!? [15:51] Dominian: http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KNemo?content=12956 [15:51] bob_slacker, not much [15:52] Dominian: 'pending' as in, 'looking already' ;) [15:52] haha [15:52] Nick change: nullbob -> nullboy [15:52] ahhh so its under NEW development [15:52] nice [15:52] hello [15:52] does anyone know how make bash count with the digits infront ? something like 0001 0002 etc ? [15:54] hwiesinger: yep its in openSUSE repos.. so its definitely being used [15:54] Anjo_Malvado (n=eduardo@unaffiliated/anjomalvado/x-03752) left irc: "cobrança clientes..." [15:54] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [15:54] Dominian: FAIL [15:55] does Patrick Volkerding uses this channel? [15:55] why would patrick need support? [15:55] hehe [15:55] don't be silly, troll. patrick is the creator [15:56] curiosity [15:56] thrice`, just curiosity [15:56] bob_slacker: he has joined this channel a few times over the years [15:57] twolf, ok [15:57] thrice`: imagine the situation if it would really happen. That would be the highest rated quote on noobfarm :D [15:57] :) [15:57] thrice`: FAIL!? [15:57] thrice`: Funny, you guys try different distros and I don't say "FAIL" ;) [15:57] jeepster (n=rawramp@static-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:58] When I type startx, it starts x fine, loading all modules properly. I want to change some parameters for my trackpad but /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty. If i run xorg -configure then it starts x but no modules are loaded. Also in /etc/modules no modules are loaded. Neither in rc.local neither in modprobe.d. Is this normal? [15:58] there is no other distro, just slackware. [15:59] Sheshes, hey, yes, it's normal. [16:00] Sheshes, c /etc/modprobe.conf [16:01] no such file. /etc/modprobe.d nothing /etc/modules nothing too [16:01] I wouldn't define xorg.conf being empty as...erm.. normal [16:01] LnxSlck_ (i=1000@89.214.250.242) joined ##slackware. [16:01] x doesn't have anything to do with kernel modules, by the way [16:01] no empty [16:02] yeah [16:02] well, at least not in the sense i make of the sentences above [16:02] Nick change: bob_slacker -> bob_slacker[work [16:02] Nick change: bob_slacker[work -> bob_slacker [16:03] Nick change: bob_slacker -> bob_slacker|work [16:04] bob_slacker|work kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: stop changing nicks [16:04] bob_slacker|work (n=bob_slac@201.47.149.252) joined ##slackware. [16:04] kid [16:04] Read the channel rules bob_slacker|work [16:04] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-45-149-30-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:05] And do not PM me unasked - another channel rule you break [16:05] Hmm. If one upgrades something important like glibc, does one not have to repackage all their custom slack packages (eg. SBo ) ? [16:06] DralaFi: that depends on the software itself, but usually it's not the case [16:06] Or does it kinda get fixed automagically like the uber-cool gentoo emerge command? [16:06] hmm ok [16:07] DralaFi: most programs use only standard C library functions, and an upgrade to glibc doesn't break them [16:07] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:07] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:07] I was thinking of this workflow: get 12.2, install some custom package (either hand-built from source, or hand slackbuild'ed, or from SBo), pull all -current packages, upgradepkg to those. Now, does the handbuilt package break? [16:07] DralaFi: wtf? There's nothing cool about emerge [16:08] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [16:08] eviljames, emerge is cool. :D [16:08] DralaFi: nothing will break usually [16:08] DralaFi: If by cool you mean "not as good as pkgtools" :D [16:08] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:08] hehe - nothing will usually break - UNLIKE with emerge :P [16:08] eviljames, pah! why should I listen to you? After all, you have 'evil' in your /nick ;) ;P [16:08] DralaFi: probably it won't break, but you may have upgraded libraries that the program depends on and it will break [16:09] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] ZenShador1 (n=shador@p5B0CFA79.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Yeah, if the libs are upgraded. There doesn't seem to be any automagic dep tracking :/ [16:10] Nope. Dependencies are the SysOp's responsibility. [16:10] Unfortunately [16:10] ilj_ (n=ilj@195.216.212.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] Lighthammer (n=Lightham@dsl-245-22-69.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [16:10] it means less time coding etc. [16:10] DralaFi: I don't consider knowing your system "unfortunate" ;) [16:11] Action: Lighthammer greets room [16:11] eviljames, nothing about not knowing your system [16:11] hey guys, when tryign to boot a patched 9.0 system (kernel upgrade with stock patch kernel 2.4 [16:11] DralaFi: other than hosing your system because you don't know what's on it [16:12] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [16:12] i get linux ebda too big at lilo boot [16:12] this is where emerge comes in handy - it will recompile deps for you. Now, if we could port something like that for slack... But I wonder if one could use slapt-get with SBo and linuxpackages.net..... [16:12] anyone come across that befoer? it's in a vamware environment [16:13] alisonken1noc, what happens when you're not a sysadmin type person? [16:13] DralaFi: if it's your system, then you're the sysadmin. period. [16:13] ##slackware: mode change '+o slackboy' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [16:14] (##slackware) Channel ban on %dflkjsdf!*@* expired. [16:14] ##slackware: mode change '-b %dflkjsdf!*@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:14] ? [16:14] alisonken1noc: agreed. [16:14] if it's someone else's system, then you need to talk to him and understand what they have before you try to do things [16:14] s/him/him|her|whoever|whatever/ [16:14] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] alisonken1noc, yeah, true. But not exactly a professional sysadmin, with making logs of all the installed packages and stuff. [16:15] arcaos_ (n=chatzill@190.177.182.41) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:15] think of it like driving - when you learn to drive a car, driving a mac truck takes a little extra learning curve. good drivers (sysadmins) will learn [16:15] Maybe I'm reflecting on things in a general way :( I'm a coder, but I have my own home machine. Does anyone else in my kind of situation keep admining the machine for like 10 hours a day? [16:15] 10 hours a day?! [16:15] alisonken1noc, mac truck? [16:15] heh, set it & forget it. [16:15] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.183.124) joined ##slackware. [16:15] slackware 9.0 in a vmware environment, when upgrading a slack 9.0 machine with stock kernel upgrade, i get 'Linux EBDA Too Big' when trying to boot the new kernel from lilo... has anyone come across this ? [16:15] nope. I admin it only when it needs it or to upgrade [16:16] subscribe to the security mailing list. rsync -current [16:16] sorry for repeat, by terminal broke =P [16:16] alisonken1noc: precisely what you just said. admin when something needs to change. [16:16] DralaFi: something with more than 4 wheels and a swing point between the front and rear axles [16:16] alisonken1noc, but all the possibiklities of upgrade paths, and packages to recompile and manage and log :/ [16:16] ZenShador (n=shador@p5B0CFA79.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] LnxSlck (i=1000@95.69.108.66) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:16] DralaFi: There's only 1 possibility. The one you choose. [16:16] zlyzir (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:16] Sounds like an eastern european bus :D [16:17] I suppose [16:17] haha [16:17] Or an eastern european woman [16:17] ! [16:17] heh [16:17] nope - you just learn the system that you're on. same with a car. the basics are the same, but just because the shift lever is on the floor rather than on the steering column is the same analogy as one system with aptitude v. slackware with pkgtool [16:17] /part #cars [16:18] phrag: I think nobody has seen your issue [16:18] phrag: I certainly haven't. [16:18] P4C0 still want to know the bug ? [16:18] but that doesn't mean nobody will :D [16:18] Tyrael_: sure [16:18] no wonder with all the car spam, i've posted it twice [16:18] xsync bug in xserver [16:18] phrag, it's not spam [16:19] causing 100% CPU on idle in X [16:19] DralaFi: yes it is, this is a slackware support channel and users are missing support questions because of your chat... please take it elsewhere [16:19] phrag, that was slackware chat :) [16:19] slackware 9.0 in a vmware environment, when upgrading a slack 9.0 machine with stock kernel upgrade, i get 'Linux EBDA Too Big' when trying to boot the new kernel from lilo... has anyone come across this ? [16:19] phrag, upgrade to newer slack [16:19] phrag: how big is your drive? you may need to make a small partition... try to set lba32 on your lilo.conf however I'm not sure if that lilo supports it... [16:20] P4C0: thanks mate, will give that a go =) [16:20] phrag, have you tried googling? [16:21] Tyrael_: strange [16:21] phrag: using a 2.4.x series still, right? [16:21] DralaFi: A query that esoteric may not be google-friendly. [16:21] thrice`: yeah [16:21] DralaFi: i've done slackware support for over 10 years... yes i have tried googling [16:21] booteco (n=booteco@189.115.85.55) left irc: "Leaving" [16:22] phrag, I didnt ask for your background or history [16:22] wow [16:22] DralaFi: an automated build and runtime dependency resolution framework is interesting, but I've found that most I've seen over the last few years are not good enough [16:22] phrag, what reports that message? lilo? the kernel? [16:23] ZenShador1 (n=shador@p5B0CFA79.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [16:24] aarrrghhh [16:24] psychicist: true, please leave pkgtools as it is, it works great, no need for buggy dependencies ;) [16:24] Sheshes (n=chris@5ac46f12.bb.sky.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:24] Tyrael_ (n=bart@212.187.2.224) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:24] how long can i go on with eclipse crashing every five minutes with no apparant cause, log or common activity?! [16:24] Zordrak: it's java ;) [16:24] mighty-d (i=500@190.29.5.207) joined ##slackware. [16:25] Hi [16:25] hi mighty-d [16:25] ZenShador (n=shador@p5B0CFA79.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] that's an ideal occasion to switch to netbeans or something else ;) [16:25] psychicist, technically doesn't have to build, but that would be a nice feature. It would be especially cool to be able to take a 10.0 release (for eg) and upgrade to 12.1 (for eg), with the framework tracking what needs to be done and applying all the relevant updates. That would be a bit like the 'ketchup' kernel patching software. [16:25] P4C0: think it's to do with the 64M of RAM it has allocated? [16:25] Zordrak: I did for 2.5 years [16:25] im trying to run an applicaition directly on the X server, with no desktop enviroment [16:25] Zordrak, segfault? run it in a debugger? [16:25] phrag: I have no idea :( [16:26] ah, noobfarm ftw [16:26] phrag, what do you mean? [16:26] can you help me? [16:26] mighty-d: what's the problem? [16:26] psychicist: die [16:27] DralaFi: I've been considering several avenues lately such as conary or creating a build and package management solution from scratch, I'll keep my options open but there is nothing wrong with a little experimentation and innovation, it just won't be slackware then [16:27] DralaFi: if i were coding id bother.... but all im doing is cleaning up someone else's vomit [16:27] Hi P4C0, i want to run kde on f7 and rdesktop on f8, but rdesktop alone with no desktop enviroment such as kde, xfce or anything else [16:28] mighty-d: use xinit [16:28] prohna (n=knoppix@cpe-76-168-120-137.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:28] ok, ill take a look to it, thanks p4c0 [16:28] Action: prohna is about to download slackware and install for the first time [16:29] majikman (n=adam@ip65-44-150-234.z150-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [16:29] prohna: ++ [16:29] phrag, this might help: http://linux.derkeiler.com/Newsgroups/comp.os.linux.setup/2004-02/0229.html <-- seem to point to some bug in LILO... [16:29] do i need more than one iso? [16:29] http://carroll.cac.psu.edu/pub/linux/distributions/slackware/slackware-12.2-iso/ [16:29] ? [16:29] prohna: DVD-iso [16:29] phrag, http://vancouver-webpages.com/vanlug/2001-2/1364.html [16:30] all the install guides im finding online talk about multiple discs [16:30] i cant burn dvds [16:30] prohna: or 2x CD iso [16:30] alright [16:30] phrag: the lba32 didn't help? [16:30] so just disc 1 and 2? [16:30] prohna: yeah [16:30] whats on disc 3? [16:30] prohna: or do NFS/usb/other install [16:30] Nick change: bob_slacker|work -> bob_slacker [16:30] ok, P4C0 it works, thanks a lot [16:31] mighty-d: :) [16:32] P4C0: just playing with it now [16:32] phrag, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-laptop-and-netbook-25/2.6.21.3-ebda-too-big-error-wont-go-away-557249/ [16:32] andreas-- (n=aa@ppp089210181221.dsl.hol.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:32] . [16:33] DralaFi: seems to be no lilo patch or upgrade for slack 9.0, so i doubt pat would have shipped with new kernel without upgrading lilo if it needed a new version... also would prob see a lot more hits for the issue if so [16:33] phrag: I don't remember having any lilo problems with 9.0 [16:34] me neither [16:34] phrag: are you installing on mbr? [16:35] why is somone running slack 9.0 o.O [16:35] phrag, "Maybe something went haywire when running lilo, which is now preventing it from running properly." <-- i wonder if it's something that happens when running LILO and it breaks... maybe not a bug in LILO itself, but manifests itself in LILO... [16:35] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [16:35] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-127.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:35] the truth is that I have never installed lilo in anything but mbr... [16:35] might be an MBR issue then, allow i'm sure i installed on MBR, as i always do (this is vmware btw) [16:36] i'll have a play around and see what i can find [16:36] thanks for help guys [16:36] damnnit.. i think eclipse is dying at mem limit [16:36] ive set everything to 1GB and when it hits it *bang* [16:36] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:36] hi, on www.slackware.com it says Xorg 1.4.2 X server as a feature of slack12.2 when i am reading ati documents, it talks about XOrg 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 or 7.4 why? [16:37] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@md5.mdsystems.com.br) joined ##slackware. [16:37] P4C0: i think lba32 fixed it 8o) [16:38] jak2000 (n=ja@201.155.138.198) joined ##slackware. [16:38] hi all [16:38] phrag: I don't think that it has anything to do... but if so, ok then :) also there's a compact options that sometimes causes troubles, however not sure if that's present on that version of lilo (i have extremly bad memory) [16:38] how to use ncftp command? how specify the user and pass? [16:38] thansk [16:39] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] jak2000: man ncftp read options... [16:39] jak2000, man ncftp [16:39] jak2000: man ncftp [16:39] (there, the trifecta is complete) [16:39] :) [16:39] P4C0: whatever the reason, it's working now 8o) thanks again [16:40] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [16:40] when i read the distrowatch table for version# in slackware, it goes from 6.9.0 to 1.4.2 did the numbering conventions change? [16:41] blkdg: ? It went from 4.0 to 7.0 about 10 years ago [16:41] also... easiest way to enable secure ftp? with proftpd and apache ssl? i just saw [16:42] eviljames, like from xfree86 to x.org ? [16:42] /usr/libexec/sftp-server in sshd_config... but not sure what it is [16:42] blkdg: yes [16:43] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] wolven (n=wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) joined ##slackware. [16:43] i'm just trying to understand why slackware.com uses 1.4.2 and my ati docs say XOrg 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 or 7.4 [16:43] ? [16:43] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@gualtiero.cs.unibo.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] Man_of_Wax (n=wax@gualtiero.cs.unibo.it) joined ##slackware. [16:43] I can't enable the desktop effect in kde4 arrrrg [16:44] blkdg: 2.4.2 is just the version of the xorg-server. Not of X.Org [16:44] blkdg: xorg-server 1.4.2 is a component of xorg 7.3 [16:44] Errr.. 1.4.2 [16:44] P4C0: do you have compositing enabled in xorg.conf? [16:44] P4C0: atifail i guess [16:44] typically the xorg-server is the main component people care about, so many will classify "xorg" as just the server [16:44] nullboy: yes, I mean I have the section with the extension composite set to true, but that's all [16:45] alienBOB: can I PM you? [16:45] so slackware has xorg 7.3 correct ? [16:45] I'm using radeon driver (the ones from xorg), my card is ati mobility radeon x300 [16:45] blkdg: pretty much, yes [16:45] thanks nullboy , alienBOB , thrice` [16:46] with opengl it tries to get it and then failes... with xrender it fails right away :( [16:46] fevel (n=fevel@189.16.239.2) left irc: [16:47] P4C0, just out of curiosity, which ati driver are you using? [16:47] blkdg: radeon the ones with x11 the open ones [16:48] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:48] blkdg: I don't feel like installing the propietary ones unless it's the only way [16:49] P4C0: unfortunately that might end up being the bcase [16:49] case* [16:49] oh [16:49] bob_slacker (n=bob_slac@201.47.149.252) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:49] LnxSlck_ (i=1000@89.214.250.242) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:50] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [16:50] nullboy: arg :( well the radeon driver works fine... the man page says it supports 2d and 3d acceleration, kde4 goes ok, but no fancy effects [16:50] i am using slack 12.2 and with some guidence from the folks here i'm using 8.12. 9.1, 9.2 (which is no longer at the ati site) and 9.3 cause X to lock and die. on my box. ati 3200hd btw. [16:51] so you need help for the ati drivers? [16:51] kde and x has never crashed on me, I always use the open (x) drivers, once I tried the nvidia and I couldn't open 2 x servers at the same time [16:52] vote.. go pickup some beers from the shop or drink water rest of the night? [16:52] arny (n=arny@62.231.93.87) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:52] water [16:52] beer [16:52] why is there even a vote? [16:52] blkdg: do you NEED 3d, or could you live with the OSS drivers? [16:52] to remove the guilt from myself +P [16:52] DralaFi (n=dralafi@host86-162-137-55.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:53] is there a slackbuild for the latest ati driver?? hehe [16:53] then i can say the intawebs told me =P [16:53] strankan (n=strankan@c-2bcd70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:53] AzalynX (n=midgar@mcbain.semsolutions.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:53] P4C0, it will make its own slack package tarball [16:53] phrag: jsut drink a lot of beer, you will forget the guilt soon [16:54] thrice`, i would like it to work to its full potential [16:54] i've got Pete's Wicked Ale today [16:54] blkdg: hmm, I will try it this night... or maybe not... I don't know... maybe just once... to see the desktop effects... which i only care about is transparent windows... [16:55] grazymax (n=grazymax@host197-22-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [16:55] mathlos (n=chatzill@AAnnecy-157-1-10-142.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:56] Action: P4C0 wonders if he can try xcompmgr with fluxbox... [16:56] grazymax (n=grazymax@host30-153-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [16:56] P4C0, # sh installer.run --buildpkg Slackware/All [16:56] it works!!!first time on a slax distribution!!!happy to be here [16:56] then install the slack package [16:57] slax != slackware [16:57] and please don't say "its based on it" cause we don't care :) [16:57] ok lol [16:57] check ths out P4C0 http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/ATI-Wiki-Slackbuild_(ENG)#Drivers_version_.3E.3D_8.37.6_or_new_ATI_Catalyst_.28internal_SlackBuild.29 [16:57] the nuts dont fall far from the tree [16:57] blkdg: thanks [16:57] 8o) [16:57] peer pressure! =P [16:58] blkdg: is that document up to date? [16:58] mathlos (n=chatzill@AAnnecy-157-1-10-142.w86-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:58] ish [16:58] sweet [16:58] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.183.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:58] arcaos_ (n=chatzill@190.177.40.191) joined ##slackware. [16:58] Nick change: arcaos_ -> arcaos [16:59] they are the same as the slackbuilds 12.1 ati driver P4C0 . same author [16:59] blkdg: :) [17:00] try 8.12 driver it worked and continues working for me. literally from a fresh slack 12.2 install. [17:00] blkdg: but I will first try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IApYWE5W28k [17:00] i also tried 9.2 and 9.3 both with no luck. [17:00] blkdg: thanks for the tip [17:01] no flash player yet, describe video please. [17:01] there was a cli app to reflow lines to a certain width [17:01] anyone recall the name [17:02] ah, i read the description P4C0 [17:02] just quickly grab 8.12 and give it a go. works with kde 3.5 [17:02] and compiz [17:02] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/previous/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx [17:03] anyhow have a good night\ [17:03] blkdg: fluxbox with xcompmgr [17:03] blkdg: do i need to install compiz? [17:04] yeah, i saw that, but like thrice` asked me, do you need 3d? [17:04] P4C0, no [17:04] i thought you were going down the eye candy trail [17:04] my mistake [17:05] blkdg: no, just kde4 desktop effects [17:06] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [17:07] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [17:07] don't know. i haven't moved to -current (i think that's what it's called). kde 3.5 + ati 8.12 and all the composite things in 3.5 work. [17:08] i'll wait for Patrick to add kde 4.x [17:08] anyhow good night. [17:08] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:08] chb (n=chb@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: [17:11] i will be dragged kicking and screaming from kde-3.x to kde-4.x when Pat adds it [17:12] Pig_Pen: have you tried it? honestly now.. [17:12] Pig_Pen: 4.2's pretty sweet man... [17:12] nope, i am a luddite when it comes to switching to new stuff [17:12] you'll kick yourself :) [17:13] i am sure Pat will make sure it is usable before he adds it to a Slackware release [17:13] kde 4.2 is sweet but not easy on hardware :( [17:13] Pig_Pen: trust me.. it's more than usable [17:13] iirc Pat usus it himself [17:13] P4C0: is easy on mine [17:13] Zordrak: what card/module you have/use ? [17:14] machine is nothing special [17:14] asus nvidia 8400GS [17:14] athlon64 3500+ [17:14] Zordrak: you are using proprietary nvidia drivers? [17:14] yes [17:15] and im running a custom kernel built from Pat's generic [17:15] with the open drivers it's still usable? [17:15] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [17:15] myrick[off] (n=admin@my-rick.de) joined ##slackware. [17:15] *shrug*.. why would i use them? [17:15] s/it's/is it/ [17:15] Zordrak: I'm just curious [17:16] not bothered to find out [17:16] oh .. and this is with 1600x1200 screen res [17:18] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [17:18] lioil (n=paigerov@r3r89.net.upc.cz) joined ##slackware. [17:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.197.220) joined ##slackware. [17:20] Shuren (n=Devilman@host101-62-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "In silence we still talk..." [17:22] Shuren (n=Devilman@host101-62-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[17:34] Nick change: edman007_ -> edman007|work [17:34] I like the new bootsplash in 12.2 [17:34] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:34] (this was my first install from scratch - I had upgraded from 12.x before) [17:34] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@blackhole.cyberlinktech.com) left irc: "Erp. So that's what kill %1 does!" [17:35] sQuEE` (n=narya@host57.190-30-4.telecom.net.ar) joined ##slackware. [17:35] and never ovewrote lilo.conf, obviously. [17:35] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.238) joined ##slackware. [17:37] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.95.250) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:38] andreas-- (n=aa@ppp089210181221.dsl.hol.gr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:39] thumbs: There's a LQ post by someone that explains how to do it if you just upgrade, fwiw. [17:39] I never bothered, but this was surprising. [17:39] Action: edman007|work kicks thumbs [17:39] you failed [17:39] I keep my upgrades simple, ok? [17:40] no [17:40] not ok [17:40] simple is for the weak [17:40] That isn't a fail. [17:40] I upgrade as little as possible on my systems. [17:41] that way, I keep everything running the way I want it to [17:44] eOliva (n=dutche@200.169.133.98) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [17:44] live life on the edge [17:44] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [17:45] everyone ought to have one test box sitting in a corner running -current [17:45] Zordrak: or use it on your work pc :p [17:45] I have been using slackware since 199x on the premise that the API and packages are more or less stable. [17:45] living on the edge holds little interest to me [17:46] my test box for current is my day to day laptop [17:47] nullboy: same here [17:47] my only box :p [17:47] my poor brother, since obama told GM that the CEO must leave in order to get a corporate welfare check some car dealerships may close, my brother is a mechanic in a car dealership [17:48] charle97 (n=c@udp226182uds.hawaiiantel.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:48] sad news [17:48] mighty-d (i=500@190.29.5.207) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:48] yup, he may be out of a job soon [17:48] i hope not [17:48] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "Leaving." [17:49] better to start searching now, just in case [17:50] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.93.175) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:51] depends on how hard they get hit, if they close the dealership hes out, if the supply of new cars & pickips dry up but they stay open to warrenty work & auto mechanic jobs he might stay, but the salesmen will be mostly gone and only the best mechanics get to stay [17:51] on the bright side mechanics are always needed [17:52] and the less people can afford new wcars.. the more thoy need old ones fixing [17:52] yup, there is always going to be a need for a good mechanic [17:52] Pig_Pen: By comparison, my father is on the board of directors for an autogroup with 35 Chrysler dealerships [17:52] Pig_Pen: A mechanic will always find work. [17:52] sQuEE (n=narya@host53.201-252-31.telecom.net.ar) left irc: Connection timed out [17:52] the dealership where he works has a very large used car lot too, top quality used cars, no junk [17:52] Pig_Pen: my old man might have to fire hundreds of mechanics soon. [17:52] Pig_Pen: (VP Service) [17:53] the fat get trimmed first, save the best of the bunch to keep things going [17:54] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] personally i think the gov should not have bailed the big three out, let them declair bankruptsy and get the damn uaw off their back, the uaw is milking the cow dry [17:54] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [17:54] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:55] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) joined ##slackware. [17:57] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) joined ##slackware. [17:57] Pig_Pen: agree [17:58] We never should have to bail anyone out. [17:58] are mom and pop stores being bailed out? [17:58] 80 bucks an hour for union labor, shit i never made more than 10 bucks an hour in my entire life [17:59] Pig_Pen: 10 bucks was worth more when you worked :P [17:59] lol [17:59] lol [17:59] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [17:59] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:00] well, i take that back, i made 16 bucks for three months while i was working for an asbestos abatement & insulation company that was renovating the plumbing in a federally owned office building [18:00] no, you never made 16 an hour [18:00] you make 30% less than that ... [18:00] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) joined ##slackware. [18:01] hrmm....bot is ok now? [18:01] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:01] the 30% went toward your taxes to supplement the 80 per hour guys [18:01] lol! the gov took a big chunk in taxes [18:01] they are too big to fail [18:01] Lighthammer (n=Lightham@dsl-245-22-69.telkomadsl.co.za) left ##slackware. [18:01] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [18:01] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:02] hwiesinger (n=hwiesing@ip82-139-119-51.lijbrandt.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:02] fsck the economy, let it crash completely, let the rich & powerful sweat it out a while and start over from scratch [18:02] Wdde (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:03] unixfool (n=ron@about/slackware/wigglit) left irc: Client Quit [18:03] something has got to give, the gov cant keep bailing out a sinking ship, let it sink, the survivers swim to shore and build a new ship [18:03] Yeah, but not if they take all the life rafts, floatation devices, clothing from the passengers and sink in the middle of shark-infested waters [18:04] (which is the present situation) [18:04] us average/below class are suffering big time to make sure that these rich assholes continue to get their cash flow. [18:04] and $80/per hour is an outright LIE, designed to confuse people who can't see through it man. [18:04] I mean, who the hell needs to make millions of dollars a year? [18:04] yup, the crew & captain do not care for the passengers, i say the passengers should drown the captain for letting the ship sink [18:05] Pig_Pen: the crew & captain are AIG & GS in this boat [18:05] and the Republican navigator kept saying "We don't need any map intervention" [18:05] AIG should die. [18:05] agentc0re|work: Should, yes. Sadly, when it was dying it couldn't. [18:06] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] eviljames: Thats because those money mongers will fire people first and pay cut anyone below them before their wages are even thought about being reduced. [18:06] Makes me sick. [18:07] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:08] anyone here works with cad arquitecture ? [18:08] it angers me to no end, that the people in charge of running this country are acting like a bunch of crackheads [18:08] cad / arquitecture [18:08] there is no q [18:08] but i can't spell it either :( [18:08] there is no spoon actually ;) [18:08] agentc0re|work: Now if only there hadn't been such a circle-jerk over tax cuts, none of this would've happened. [18:08] or plotters [18:09] agentc0re|work: (particularly tax cuts to the wealthy) [18:09] DeeeeP, i can draw a smiley face... [18:09] architecture [18:09] yes ,that [18:09] you guys recommend a nice iptables script for slack9.0 ? [18:09] edman007, i mean , plotters [18:09] slackware-9.0 ? why such an ancient release? [18:09] phrag: I recommend the slackpkg upgrade-all :P ;) [18:09] Pig_Pen: The people who *were* in charge of this country *were* running it like crackheads, now an abatement team have been called in to determined the best method of cleanup. [18:10] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:10] Pig_Pen: It is painfully foolhardy to strongly believe otherwise. Obama has only had 60 days to clean up 8 years of America being bukkake'd with retard. [18:10] phrag: isn't 2.4 ichains ? [18:10] eviljames: I think it goes beyond 8 years. [18:11] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) joined ##slackware. [18:11] bush, dodd, frank [18:11] agentc0re|work: It goes back to Nixon/Reagan, indeed. The cutting of the top marginal tax rate from 90% to 75% to 35% is precisely aligned with the decline of America. [18:11] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] Pig_Pen: Reagan, Reagan, Reagan. [18:11] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5918.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:11] eviljames: 9.0 can run 2.6 AFAICR [18:11] yup, those country club republicans [18:12] koolniczka, doubt it [18:12] 0mg, not ipchains o.0 [18:12] You guys realize there was a master plan to bankrupt America and it worked, right? Reagan's administrators specifically said they were attempting to drive the government so far in debt that Democrats could never institute their "socialism" (ie: universal healthcare, social programs, etc). [18:12] phew, i have iptables =P [18:12] eviljames, by the Illuminati? or were it the freemansons? [18:12] phrag: heh, good. iptables -A INPUT -s 0/0 -d 0/0 -j DROP [18:12] Action: phrag kicks politics elsewhere [18:12] slackytude: I know, I laugh at conspiracy theries all the time. [18:12] hmm, I seem to have 2.6 pretty early (before "official" support) may have been around 9.0 but not sure [18:13] slackytude: but it's not quite as backroom as I make it sound (and you imply) [18:13] eviljames: =P [18:13] slackytude: It just dates back that far, and has been a colossal mistake ever since. [18:13] ZenShador1 (n=shador@p5B0CC615.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [18:13] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:13] phrag: but really, what are you trying to script in iptables? [18:13] eviljames: well that's a good start... [18:13] Camarade_Tux (n=Tux@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:13] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:13] i want to block all except established, and allow SSH to listen TCP [18:14] None of the Presidents during my life time will be in the history books like the ones before them. Well Obama will be since he's the first Black President. It's sad that the BIG corporate has so much pull over all the gov. officials. It shouldn't be that way at all. [18:14] phrag: That's it? [18:14] socialism is not a bad thing, whats wrong with everyone getting proper medical and dental care? and an equal shot at going to college without going in to debt for 10 years for it [18:14] agentc0re|work, Im sure Bush will make it to the books as well [18:14] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:14] agentc0re|work, before Nixon, even [18:14] Pig_Pen: You can have most of htat if you just move to Canada. THe problem is that it is antithetical to the nature of America. [18:15] slackytude: I'm certain that you are right on that one. [18:15] slackytude: Let me rephrase that in as a Positive way in the history books. [18:15] agentc0re|work, heh, yeah, no bush then [18:15] Clinto might tho [18:15] Pig_Pen: socialism is good, comunism is bad [18:15] he has got PR [18:16] /c/c [18:16] bah [18:16] Clinton wasnt that bad, anyway [18:16] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:16] for a president [18:16] In my living memory, he was by far the best. [18:17] No, but i think there was an understanding that we were going in the dirt years ago. [18:17] eviljames: I would agree. But isn't that kind of sad? [18:17] what obama is doing is not socialism, he is trying to bail out and prop up the same old capitalist system that made the rich richer and the poor poorer, there has to be a balance [18:17] eviljames: by allowing Freddie Mac to happen? no thannks [18:17] everything does, given enough time [18:17] Pig_Pen: Precisely! [18:18] eviljames: yeah [18:18] Pig_Pen: Well, not quite though. By forcing out Rick Wagoner he really is doing some good to that industry. [18:18] phrag: It should only be 3 or 4 rules then... [18:18] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:18] ok, thanks... guess i'll do some quick research =) [18:18] I wouldnt put to much faith in Obama [18:19] he is just a figure head [18:19] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:19] Ficthe (n=grieve@CPE-72-131-0-46.wi.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:19] phrag: np, essentially just set the input chain to default drop, and punch holes in it [18:20] phrag: and -m established,related -j ALLOW [18:20] phrag: this is a good one: http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [18:20] slackytude: He has final say on a lot of matters (ie: Treasury), and is no fool. If you think that he doesn't have a solid plan for the next 4 years you're fooling yourself. [18:22] this is the news from my brother, he just got back from a meeting at the gm dealership, his job is safe, a couple of salesmen got canned but the dealership is safe, in oklahoma city there are several GM dealerships going to be shut down along with other big city dealerships where the market is saturated with dealerships [18:23] eviljames, he needs more than a plan. there is a lot of inertia. 4 years is not much if you want to stop something that has 20 years or momentum behind it [18:23] Well i wonder how many family ties exist from all the big wigs in BIG corporate with people that are in the gov. and that have political influence. [18:23] for example in okla city there are probably 4 or 5 chevrolet dealerships, why have that many dealerships selling chevys when 2 will handle it [18:23] slackytude: 1978-present indeed. [18:24] Pig_Pen: Competition, free market, all that jazz. [18:24] eviljames, P4C0: thankyou =) [18:24] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:25] phrag: np man, I do what Ican. [18:25] i agree with you eviljames, it is just that therre are not enough people buying new cars to keep that many dealerships in business, either they volunteer to close or the lack of customers will do it for them [18:26] volunteer to close? thats sad, but kinda heroic [18:26] agentc0re|work: Probably way more than you'd like to know. Worse yet is ivy league ties. [18:27] slackytude: Either way the closing is sort of voluntary, they could volunteer to stay open and keep everyone employed, but it would oeprate at a loss. [18:28] ZenShador (n=shador@p5B0CFA79.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:28] they should do a little downsizing (trim the fat) and diversify sell more than one brand of car along with used cars too, maybe boats & motorcycles [18:29] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5918.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [18:29] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [18:29] Really, that's not the solution. [18:29] gm152 (n=gm@d121-140-120.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] I'm adamant that income over $300,000 (or, let's say $1,000,000) / year should be taxed at 70-90% [18:29] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:30] the money will just flew out of the county then [18:30] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:30] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.147) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [18:31] i can see why new cars & pickups are not selling well, heck the price of a decent new car or pickup is almost like buying a new house, 20 to 25 G, and full coverage insurance, thats crazy, i will never buy a new car again (unless i win the lottery and end up a millionaire) [18:31] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:31] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [18:31] That would create disincentive for insane executive salaries (Why pay myself that much if 90c / dollar is taxed?) [18:31] Getting a fairly recent used car is more economicasl. [18:31] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:32] Pig_Pen: In some neighborhoods due to foreclosure crisis, houses can be bought for $5,000 - $10,000 outright [18:32] Pig_Pen: ie: 1/5 of the price of a car [18:32] here in germany they gave you some 2000 euro if you traded your old car for a new one [18:32] yup, i bought a 98 S10 pickup in 02 with only 40,000 miles on it, for 6 g [18:32] lottery winners will get hit with the high taxes too. Win 100 million and take home 10 million. [18:33] eviljames, I saw an ad that went like "buy a house, get one free" [18:33] InspectorCluseau: So? [18:33] two for one deal on houses [18:33] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-430408.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "Leaving" [18:33] InspectorCluseau: The only reason lottery is even taxed is because America is obsessed with taxing "sins" [18:33] detringj (n=jay@70.234.163.217) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:33] yep [18:34] detringj (n=jay@adsl-70-234-164-11.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:34] need to jack up the liquor taxes ... lol [18:34] that didnt work last time [18:34] InspectorCluseau: but it's pretty easy to exempt lottery winnings from taxes. Canada does ;) [18:34] slackytude: liquor taxing works GREAT. Prohibition is what fails. [18:34] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:34] or just take the annuity option [18:34] slackytude: Note: as America currently does with marijuana. [18:34] eviljames, there is a thin line between the two [18:35] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] eviljames, marijuna laws started as a tax law as well [18:35] slackytude: No, there's a grand canyon between the two. [18:35] One says "NOT ALLOWED" the other says "ALLOWED BUT YOU MUST PAY A TAX" [18:35] the POwerball lottery in the US the us gov takes about half [18:36] Are the lottos independent in America or are they state/fed run? [18:36] eviljames, if you tax it high enough, you'll get a black market real soon and all the effects of a prohibition [18:37] Nick change: ovnicraft -> ovnicraft|gnuthi [18:37] Nick change: ovnicraft|gnuthi -> ovnicraft [18:37] not sure [18:37] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1937_Marijuana_Tax_Act [18:37] slackytude: Patently false. Liquor is taxed between 40-80% in Canada, integrated into the price (ie: a 6-pack costs about $13), there is virtually no black market for liquor. [18:37] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:37] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [18:38] slackytude: Same with cigarettes ($10 / pack of 25 - ~70% tax itnegrated in the price), virtually no black market. [18:38] guys, is there a command to reinstall existing packages? [18:38] Kaapa: installpkg --reinstall [18:38] with a regexp, that is [18:38] not installing ones that are not installed [18:38] Why with a regexp? [18:38] (I ran out of disk space, and I want to reinstall only the ones in /ver/log/packages/* ) [18:38] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:38] As the old anecdote goes (now you have 2 problems...) [18:39] eviljames: Kaapa it is "upgradepkg --reinstall" [18:39] And that command will not upgrade packages that were not installed before [18:39] k, thanks [18:39] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150009008.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [18:39] alienBOB: yep, I was going to type that... but then I wondered about the regex [18:39] eviljames, a quick google for "nada tobacco smuggler" shows otherwise [18:39] If you wanted that, "upgradepkg --reinstall --install-new" [18:40] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:40] eviljames, eh, make that canada [18:40] slackytude: If this refers to the New Brunswick / and NewFoundland stuff I'll chuckle.. :) [18:41] ZenShador1 (n=shador@p5B0CC615.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware. [18:41] straterra (n=straterr@projectstfu.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:41] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] slackytude: Indications are that there's a smuggling incident reported in the news approximately every 2 - 3 years. [18:42] slackytude: Sounds like it's not really a day-to-day affair [18:42] slackytude: And it looks like the biggest offenders are, in fact, cigarette companies! [18:43] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] eviljames, you are a quick reader :P [18:43] slackytude: I am, indeed. It also helps that I watch for new sin taxes in Canada (as a Canadian) ;) [18:44] kdm runs by default in init 4? [18:44] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Kaapa: yessir. [18:44] o7 [18:46] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:46] lucas_agomes (i=c8e65201@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f33c87bf3f5f9fb9) joined ##slackware. [18:47] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:48] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [18:49] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [18:49] Dominian, omg, your broke noobfarm :( [18:50] Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at www.noobfarm.org. [18:50] e01 (n=OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:50] Connect failed [18:50] clearly Dominian is breaking servers... [18:51] same for slackadelic [18:51] Maybe if we all try to connect at the same time .... [18:51] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] Bugz (n=Bugz@adsl-75-42-87-146.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [18:51] j14159 (n=jeremy@154.5.76.16) left irc: "leaving" [18:51] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] eviljames, yea, maybe we are just not trying enough [18:51] lets DDoS noobfarm, maybe that will make it come up [18:51] edman007|work: I'll press refresh a dozen more times and see if that helps. [18:52] edman007|work: iirc we pulled this same trick on straterra or someone... [18:52] lol [18:52] man, this pill I got for me headache is kinda funny [18:52] Is it shaped liek a gun? [18:52] If so it won't work. [18:52] maxote (n=el_ermit@84.79.67.254) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Well, it might. but it'll solve the headache permanently. [18:53] dont you mean bullet? [18:53] TheBig (n=TheBig@151.16.178.27) joined ##slackware. [18:53] Yeah, I guess it's not the pill, but the administration method. [18:53] eviljames, your on the pill eh? [18:53] eviljames: DO NOT KILL YOURSELF! [18:53] yeah, even a pill would hurt if it hit you with supersonic speed [18:53] edman007|work: its not broke per se [18:53] oops, i mean slackytude [18:54] soemthing is going on with either wordpress or php [18:54] Dominian, nope...broke [18:54] edman007|work: trust me.. not broke.. I have httpd shutdown right now [18:54] yea...that means broke [18:54] Pig_Pen, alrite Im trying not to [18:55] lol, good, i want to survive as long as possible, i want to outlive as many people as possible [18:55] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:56] Pig_Pen, sounds like a plan [18:57] as long as i dont go senile [18:57] Dominian, why? [18:57] Action: edman007|work shoots Pig_Pen [18:57] Dominian, BTW, wordpress is devil spawn [18:57] Pig_Pen: I think senility would be awesome... I wouldn't even remember how crushingly depressing my life is. [18:57] vatgas1 (n=val@123.145.67.62) joined ##slackware. [18:58] edman007|work: trust me.. I'm trying to find out how they are getting in [18:58] thsi time they spawned a process [18:58] Im not sure. senility sounds not good at all. but would you notice it? [18:58] othermindszine (n=othermin@9.sub-70-192-116.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:58] :) now your thinking! [18:58] Dominian, ohh...nasty [18:58] Dominian, sucks [18:58] is your root pass "lol"? [18:58] its nothing bad per se.. its a botattack on undernet [18:58] Dominian, same stuff as last time? [18:58] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [18:58] slackytude: yep.. last time I caught it before it got started.. this time.. I was in my commute home [18:59] Dominian, looks like the wordpress "firewall" wasnt that effective [18:59] I think I found where it was spawning from [18:59] why do the bots hate you? [18:59] thsi time they created .font in /tmp [18:59] slackytude: nope [18:59] slackytude: and if I can prove it was wordpress.. its going bye bye [18:59] Nick change: vatgas1 -> tototot [18:59] Nick change: tototot -> vatgas1 [19:00] Dominian, eh, what else could it be? apache? that would be bad [19:00] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.188.202) joined ##slackware. [19:00] no.. don't think its apache [19:00] they are hitting slackadelic.com directly.. gotta be wordpress [19:00] Dominian: But, as edman007|work asked, why you? [19:00] gnubien (n=e@97.100.245.16) joined ##slackware. [19:00] eviljames: who knows? [19:00] Vendetta! Vendetta for me Popi!! -- (sideshow bob's son) [19:00] popular site [19:01] There's also the "secret underground datanet espionage" that's so secret that it was recently on the CBC [19:01] Dominian, a) wordpress is slow, b) for big apps like wordpress you HAVE to keep up on the updates, otherwise the bots start hacking [19:01] Maybe they're hax0ring you? [19:01] edman007|work: I have an updated installation man [19:01] i remember i had phpbb up once, i let it get out of date just a bit and they cleaned the db... [19:01] I'm on the latest version of wordpress right now [19:02] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:02] also, do you have stat stuff that is public? [19:02] negative [19:02] I do have a wordpress.com stats plugin.. but you have to authenticate to it to use it [19:02] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009057069.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [19:03] K.. I think I can turn httpd on now.. [19:04] Action: Dominian will wait a few more minutes [19:04] trying to make sure that /usr/sbin/httpd doesn't show up again.. that's how I knew they kicked something off [19:04] well i had em get in once through awstats... [19:04] don't have that [19:05] battlemidget (n=uzr@cpe-075-182-099-213.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:06] anyone know a good application to monitor battery power [19:07] cat [19:07] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-67-231.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:07] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-73-56.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:07] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-73-56.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:07] Dominian: Which VPS provider do you use? [19:08] looking for somethng that converts the capacity into hours/mins [19:08] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.87.149.45) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:08] eviljames: cyberlinkint right now, but that's... wel lets say.. they are probably not going to be around much longer.. and I can't say much beyond that.. [19:08] MapMan (i=mapman@dynamic-78-8-55-5.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:08] Dominian: Have you looked at iweb.ca ? [19:09] eviljames: I don't have money to pay for hosting... I was getting mine with a friend who is a senior admin there. [19:09] ahh [19:09] MapMan (i=mapman@dynamic-78-8-52-170.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:09] I have other alternatives.. just nothing viable yet until May [19:10] i had iweb for a while, they are nice and cheap :) [19:10] edman007|work: I'm looking at buying BSD from them [19:10] I bet they can't beat free [19:10] edman007|work: What package do you have? [19:10] eviljames, well i'm on my work server...and thats rackspace [19:10] expensive, but nice [19:11] edman007|work: ahh, what about your iweb package? [19:12] edman007|work: $149 / month unmetered 10MB doesn't sound bad to me :D [19:12] thats where my work server was, had dedicated centos [19:12] Action: phrag has finished his OS hardening assignment and is very pleased with the outcome 8o) [19:13] noobfarm back up [19:13] *cheer* 8oD [19:13] thanks for the help guys =) [19:13] phrag: Good work! [19:13] hardening? [19:13] like rpreventing assholes from exploiting wordpress and kicking off processes? :P [19:13] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] \o/ new quote too [19:14] where? [19:14] slackytude, not new [19:14] you are just slow [19:14] noobfarm [19:14] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.238) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:14] pfft [19:14] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-130-139.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [19:15] is there a tool checking identical files between directories? [19:15] dissociative: fdupes [19:15] dissociative: or a 10 line python script [19:17] i really like that easy firewall generator [19:17] root (n=root@cpe-72-190-70-35.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:17] i shall use that again =) [19:17] Nick change: root -> Guest88559 [19:17] diff ? =P [19:18] phrag: Diff won't compare the contents of files, nor entire folder structures. [19:18] err [19:18] haha [19:18] alienBOB, i liked that root@*!* ban... [19:18] why is it gone? [19:18] obviously, diff compares the content of files, that's a bit of a typo [19:18] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:18] Guest88559: it is dangerous to run as root, especially an IRC client... log back on with a user please [19:18] could someone help me out, whenever i have my nvidia geforce 7600gt & my Conexant CX23418 tuner in. xorg fails to load with /dev/nvidia0 input/output error [19:18] Nick change: Guest88559 -> acid [19:18] eviljames: it also compares directories ? [19:19] phrag: I don't think it would do quite what dissociative was wanting, nor quite what fdupes would do. [19:19] try it, i just did =) [19:19] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.238) joined ##slackware. [19:19] I would like to make some kind of bash script myself... [19:19] cuba (n=cub@84.19.44.65) joined ##slackware. [19:19] acid, blob drivers suck [19:19] what is blob [19:19] is there gonna be a new release of slackware in near future ? [19:19] stunix_ (n=stunix@cm-84.209.3.196.getinternet.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:19] dissociative: fdupes, python or bash+diff (which I think is the worst method, but bash ninjas may disagree). [19:19] acid: I had to blacklist cx18, and load it from rc.local myself for my hauppauge. [19:19] cuba: no, 12.2 was just released in december [19:19] cuba: when its ready [19:19] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.133.40) joined ##slackware. [19:20] cuba: you asked that before - the answer remains the same [19:20] tight.. [19:20] Dominian: (tm) [19:20] alienBOB, I've never asked this question [19:20] phrag@boxen:/tmp> diff test1 test2 [19:20] Only in test1: bleh1 [19:20] Only in test2: bleh2 [19:20] phrag: I was not aware it did that, duly noted. [19:20] eviljames: me neither till just now =) [19:21] eviljames: can fdupes check for identical files between two directories? [19:21] phrag: However, does it tell you : "in test1 and test2: bleh3, but test1/bleh3 differs from test2/bleh3" [19:21] chopp: do i just need to put cx18 in the blacklist file [19:21] dissociative: That's what fdupes does. [19:21] dissociative: f (find) dupes (duplicates) [19:21] anyway, this is such a good distro that I'm sure that I will never use any other [19:21] perhaps will arguements, little bash i guess for that =) [19:21] cuba: Once you wrap your head around "the slackware way" (tm) all other ways seem goofy, awkward, incomplete and pointless. [19:22] with* [19:22] eviljames, yes :) [19:22] acid: just add it to the bottom of /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [19:22] cuba: welcome to satisfaction =) [19:22] Action: eviljames can't get no.... [19:23] chopp: how should i load it, after xorg loads? [19:23] higuitas (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:24] acid: I told you, load it from rc.local "/sbin/modprobe cx18" [19:25] higuitas (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [19:25] but ...cd /etc/rc.local [19:25] ls [19:25] acid (n=root@cpe-72-190-70-35.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [19:25] velusip (n=Miranda@65.38.42.173) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:25] arcaos_ (n=chatzill@190.177.184.102) joined ##slackware. [19:26] anyone miss nixor? heh [19:26] who? [19:26] aye I do [19:26] :) my neighbors with their opensuse and ubuntu with thousands of useless "features" and permanent mess in libraries...:) after 4 months I haven't encountered even one little problem...unbelievable [19:26] at least nixor kicked for n=root [19:26] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.173) joined ##slackware. [19:26] Dominian: my thoughts exactly =) [19:27] My first time in #slackware (going wayyyy.... back into memory now) [19:27] I got punted IMMEDIATELY after installing and thinking "wtf do I do now?" [19:27] for n=root [19:27] aww =P [19:27] phrag: late 90's ftw :D [19:27] at least he gave a verbose reason, which was handy [19:27] haha [19:28] It was the best of times, it was the worst of times... .com was exploding, little did people know it would die a flaming death a few years later. [19:29] Action: edman007|work still thinks n=root should get a ban [19:29] Worst thing ever: sitting down on the bus and realizing (altogether too late) that the cloth seat should've been labelled as "Soaking wet" [19:29] hahaha [19:29] It happened to me this morning. The only thing I could think of is "Oh god I hope I don't smell like somebody else's piss all day long now..." [19:30] k, now I'm going home. bbl [19:31] eviljames: next time bring a thick newspaper to sit on [19:31] eviljames: so your saying smelling like "your own piss" is ok? [19:31] edman007|work: you would be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) to hear that many of those cheap netbooks come with root as the default user, so you can expect many more people to log onto irc (not necessarily this channel) as root [19:31] hehe, after i secured the box and got SSH and sFTP running nicely... all i got from a default nessus scan was: The remote host is up. [19:31] mwhahaha [19:31] wait...what!?!?!?! [19:32] phrag, so you were the one hacking noobfarm? [19:32] z0mg o.0 [19:32] phrag: Do you have nessus access right now? [19:32] yeah [19:32] phrag: can you scan an IP for me? [19:32] yes. its my IP [19:32] i'd prefer not to remote scan anything [19:32] damn it [19:32] how to make a normal user run sudo without asking for a password? isn't editing visudo enough? [19:32] LnxSlck: that's a bad idea [19:33] Never, ever, ever, ever allow a normal user to su without a password [19:33] Dominian, not really, if that user is me [19:33] uhh so? [19:33] that account gets hacked... then what? [19:33] Dominian: guess i could though if you really need it [19:33] Dominian, it's safe ;) [19:33] phrag: nah.. no worries [19:33] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5918.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-86-55-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] Dominian: i'm a paranoid android i know =P [19:33] nah I understand [19:33] so am I which is whY I was asking for the scan [19:34] =) [19:34] habtool (n=habtool@86-45-133-49-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [19:34] caught the bastards! [19:35] Found the ISP they are using [19:35] Dominian: the new 'propriatory' nessus is binary, bad i know, but easy to install and get working [19:36] aye [19:37] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE5918.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] phrag, not to mention that the testing database is outdated in the free version [19:38] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [19:39] Tyrael (n=bart@c2224.upc-c.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:39] hello digital gangsters :-) [19:40] arcaos (n=chatzill@190.177.158.176) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:40] nachox: oh completely [19:41] i do have metasploit and other tools to hand =) [19:42] however, considering it flagged slack9.0 default with 30 low, and 3 medium risks... the remote host is up looks good 8o) [19:43] phrag: what is stopping you from using 12.2 instead of 9 ? [19:43] Pig_Pen: more scope for hardening [19:43] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-127.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. 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[19:48] phrag, glenn burnett wrote a really good hardening guide for Solaris, bsm, rbac and everything [19:48] nachox: i'm not familiar with solaris, so wasn't about to learn an entirely new OS for the scope of this assignment [19:48] phrag, coward :P should have asked for some help [19:49] far too much uni work to spend time on that right now [19:49] i know what you mean [19:49] i've already done twice the amount of work required for this assignment, so i better get a good mark =) [19:49] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [19:49] evo- (n=evo@p5DDE5918.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:49] phrag, you were required to harden an os? [19:50] i installed freebsd and tinkered with it for a day, never did get wifi working on it, wireless_tools is a Linux only package, and wpa_supplicant does not like my wifi card [19:50] yeah, audit, harden, re-audit, document [19:50] TheBig (n=TheBig@151.16.178.27) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:50] Looks like I got that intrusion [19:50] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:51] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] just have to leave my wordpress site down for a day or so to see if it triggers again [19:51] pretty simple, but i went into a lot of detail... plus most in my class will be rooting xp boxes via SMB =P [19:51] Dominian: checked the modules you using for holes ? [19:51] phrag, you actually got auditing working in slackware? or just syslog? [19:51] phrag: its wordpress.. dunno about the modules.. [19:51] phrag: don't care if its aplugin/module.. if its wordpress.. its going bye bye [19:51] I'll just write my own code [19:52] nachox: manual auditing (external scannign etc.) [19:52] ohh, that :) [19:52] Dominian: shit load of exploits for wordpress modules/plugins [19:52] in fact.. I could easily convert noobfarm code into a site for myself [19:52] phrag: Oh I know [19:52] its a psosibility its one of the plugins that I just haven't updated [19:52] it scared the hell out of me o.0 [19:52] dang http://skipall.com/3v.jpg [19:52] maybe I should try that first... [19:52] phrag, found any new cool tool? [19:52] phrag: well... wordpress may have issues.. but its still ag reat tool [19:52] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.18) left irc: [19:53] nullboy: There are no words... [19:53] nachox: some pretty cool exploit code for various apps [19:53] in fact let me do that now.. and make sure that I have all my plugins updated [19:53] were you requred to provide any service in the os? otherwise the most secure server is one that provides no services at all [19:53] nachox: kinda improved my C just by reading them =P [19:54] nachox: yeah, i chose ssh and sftp [19:54] edman007|work (n=edman007@unaffiliated/edman007) left irc: "/me -> home" [19:54] can you disclose where you found them? [19:54] milw0rm.com ...nothing secret [19:54] i don't run in those circles =P [19:55] oh, a classic [19:55] =) [19:55] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:56] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) joined ##slackware. [19:57] for the record, slack9 ran sweet in vmware with 64mb ram haha [19:58] phrag, tried even less ram? :) i bet it can be forced to run with half of that [19:59] yeah, i gave it 32mb to start but was feeling generous hehe [20:00] there is a lot to be said for the simplicity of slackware and the 2.4 kernel can sure be light and quick/responsive when built right, i had 2.4 booting in like 8 seconds with older versions of slackware, even 2.6 is not bad, i have 12.2 booting in about 13 seconds [20:00] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: [20:00] slackware is about the slowest to boot that I've found [20:00] Pig_Pen, boot time is a non-issue once you got suspend to ram working [20:00] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.173) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:00] yeah [20:00] nod (n=nod@unaffiliated/nod) left irc: Client Quit [20:01] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-85-138.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:01] thrice`: trim the fat off of a custom kernel build, disable all unnecessary items from loading at boottime [20:02] boot time is a non issue for me.. i just dont turn it off ;-) [20:04] macavity, very environmentally friendly of you [20:05] i turn as many electrical items off at bedtime as possible, i like to see that wheel on the electric meter spin real slow [20:05] Pig_Pen, recompiling the kernel is 99% of the time the wrong thing to do, there are usually other things that have more effect than that [20:06] like building apps with dbus and hal as an included dependency when it isnt really necessary [20:07] just taking out unused modules won't even affect the kernel's running image size either. Removing certain 'build-in' parts and changing a handful of specific options can help shrink it a little though [20:07] no, i meant like starting stuff in parallel, something slackware doesnt do [20:07] losing functionality just to gain 2 seconds of boot time is braindead imho [20:08] I agree. while i really don't care enough about boottime to change it, rc.M is really slow [20:10] i go through rc.M and remove things i dont use, hardcode others i know i need so it does not have the if [-x] fi stuff [20:10] test34- (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [20:10] that should be like 0.02 seconds faster :p [20:11] well, if i shut stuff off at bedtime and it stays off until the afternoon the next day that saves quite a bit on my electric bill [20:11] how do I use xargs to cp a list of files contained in a .txt list to another directory [20:11] stunix_ (n=stunix@cm-84.209.3.196.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [20:11] nachox: it is always doing something [20:12] cat list.txt | xargs cp /destdir will work? [20:12] nachox: a) i dont have a TV connection, and b) i dont intend to get one ;-) [20:12] time to go, g.n. everyone [20:12] nn [20:12] P4C0 (n=susana@200.124.22.34) left irc: "bye" [20:12] dissociative, it has to be with xargs? [20:12] dissociative: that will get you the arguments to cp in the wrong order [20:13] the list of files is separated by a newline each [20:14] i'm gunna do it http://userspace.selinuxproject.org/trac/wiki/Releases [20:14] test34 (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "Leaving" [20:14] test34- (n=test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Client Quit [20:14] dissociative: xargs will call cp like this: "cp /destdir line-from.txt" [20:16] dissociative, cat file.txt | xargs -I {} -t cp {} dest [20:16] dissociative: IFS=EOF for i in $(cat list.txt); do cp $i /destdir; done [20:16] that works in solaris, i dont have a linux to test, sorry [20:17] nachox: that should work on GNU xargs too [20:17] how about cat list.txt | xargs cp --target-directory DESTDIR [20:17] you can remove the -t part [20:17] that is the least portable thing i've ever seen [20:18] macavity, i'm really cool :P [20:18] it would make more common sense [20:18] actually, read xargs man page, my version makes a LOT of sense [20:19] nachox: you should comprare the manpage for gnu xargs with bsd/solaris xargs before making such a statement :P [20:20] rgouveia (n=rgouveia@169.89.54.77.rev.vodafone.pt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:20] nachox: you actually need to look in the BUGS section to get a mention of the {} notation [20:21] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-85-138.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:21] macavity, why? the gnu guys usually just look at how some command is implemented in either the bsd or solaris world and break it in subtle ways, i expected the common case to work [20:23] macavity: the strings of the list of files dont have escape characters or quotes [20:24] LnxSlck (i=1000@88.214.133.40) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:25] nachox: yes.. but the documentation is flakey/poor/incorrect/missing in this particular manpage :P [20:25] macavity, ah, yes, that too :P [20:27] dissociative: do what works [20:27] macavity, read the info version of that documentation. much much better [20:27] evo_ (n=evo@p5DDE5918.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "gone sleeping.." [20:27] dissociative: just remember that xargs puts its arguments last.. unless you do like nachox showed to inhibit that behaviour [20:28] nachox: yes.. i just always end up punching the info client [20:28] nachox: i hit back... and i dont get back to where i was... then i remember that "back" and "previous" is *not* the same in info :P [20:29] info and emacs are the two most obnoxious programs i have ever used... and that was said by a die hard GNU fan :P [20:30] macavity, info is the one thing the FSF made that didnt caught, it's so nasty noone bothers and preferes to live with the broken man pages [20:31] nachox: yes.. and really, all one has to do is write a proper client that "emulates html", and it would be really nice [20:31] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeps" [20:31] macavity, proper man pages would be a step forward imho [20:31] I'm a big fan of how the man page always says that the info page is more complete, but then the info page is nothing more than the man page. [20:32] i am not that fond of less... [20:32] jkwood: slackware is missing info pages enmass [20:32] jkwood: debian tought me that :P [20:32] Ah, oaky. [20:33] I'm to the point now that I can live without them anyway. [20:33] When the man page doesn't satisfy me, there's always the internetz. [20:33] macavity, i like solaris' or openbsd man pages [20:33] info glibc is nothing but an astonishing little gem [20:34] nachox: if Theo gave his blessing to a manpage, i suspect it would be to my liking too ;-) [20:34] hehe [20:35] "documentation bugs are critical bugs" :P [20:35] i've never read glibc's man page [20:35] i like that [20:36] nachox: it is basically an ultra compressed version of APUE [20:36] gabriel_ (n=gabriel@pc-177-246-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [20:36] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [20:37] APUE doesnt cover even 3% of libc [20:37] nachox: a short introduction to writing POSIX compliant code, which covers both the common and the "ohh, nice!" calls in libc [20:37] nachox: no... but it does provide a nice solid base to work from [20:38] sounds like lot the glibc developers should read the glibc info page :P [20:38] tsk [20:39] would you say that to his face, should you ever run into Ulric Drepper? [20:39] is he big? [20:39] if he is as mean IRL as he can be on e-mail, i surely wouldnt :P [20:40] anyhow.. time to hit the bunk.. [20:40] night all [20:40] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [20:41] BOFH (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:44] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:46] taquito (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:46] taquito_ (n=rich@adsl-75-40-190-90.dsl.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] Cat5 (n=cat5-613@fox.catfive.org) joined ##slackware. [20:48] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:48] anyone interested in beta testing a gnome build for slackware? [20:48] not if you paid me. [20:48] cuba (n=cub@84.19.44.65) left irc: "Leaving" [20:48] lol [20:49] aw [20:49] :( [20:49] that makes me so sad [20:49] I'm stuck with gnome on opensolaris, there's no reason to torture myself on Linux too [20:49] what's so wrong with gnome? [20:49] opensolaris looks nice, though :) [20:50] okibisan: Matter of preference, really. [20:50] okibisan: (imo) nothing wrong with gnome, it's actually nice. but (for me) it's difficult to break the association between slackware and kde [20:50] works for me... to each their own [20:50] okibisan: my pref is kde, has been for years, and every time I try gnome it doesn't behave quite the way I want [20:50] i wish Sun would GPL CDE [20:51] Pig_Pen: I still think that's an insane idea. [20:51] eviljames: that's how i am with gnome/kde, just vice versa [20:51] Not because GPl-ing code is bad, but because CDE was such a horrid environment when I used it. [20:51] actually, i quite like xfce [20:51] Actually, also because I don't want GPL-everything. [20:51] CDE would make another great alternative lightweight desktop WM like openbox, fvwm, windowmaker & etc [20:51] i do! =) [20:52] True, but there's already blackbox, fluxbox, openbox, fvwm, xfce, windowmaker etc [20:52] well except stuff to make things work, like flash for example [20:52] This is the fallacy of choice, how much do you need? [20:52] sun does not own cde [20:52] although anyone use gnash? [20:52] remember xfce-3.x ? [20:52] they cannot gpl it [20:53] Pig_Pen: what about it? [20:53] sun does not own cde? who does? [20:53] lucas_agomes (i=c8e65201@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-f33c87bf3f5f9fb9) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [20:53] ugly as hell! [20:53] the open group [20:53] agreed [20:53] but i liked it anyway [20:53] i tried the java desktop on solaris 10... didn't really like it [20:53] phrag: That's CDE iirc [20:53] heh [20:53] oh, my bad =P [20:53] what did you expect? it's a gnome 2.6 [20:53] xfce is nice [20:53] the open group is not as open as it's name implies [20:53] and i do like the new 4.6 [20:53] well it was in a vm, so i can't really give a fair assessment [20:54] argh.. generating RABAC for grsecurity = the suck [20:54] Pig_Pen, open, at the time the open group was created meant open standards not opensource [20:54] what is the character? [20:54] that* [20:54] ah [20:54] OpenMotif VSs Lesstif [20:55] phrag, SXCE has a gnome 2.24 which is much nicer than that gnome 2.6 in solaris 10 [20:55] never liked gnome though, although not used recently [20:55] anyway, i got a build of gnome 2.26.0 for slackware i would like beta tested... anyone know a good place to ask? [20:55] nachox: Java desktop in Solaris 10 was gnome 2.6? [20:55] eviljames, yes [20:55] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-13-30-240.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [20:55] nachox: Don't know why I thought they called it CDE... CDE was the purple-schemed (ie: sun colours) without the "launch" button a-la win95? [20:55] i thought gnome was cool back when gnome-1.4 was current, gnome-2.x sucked and still does IMO [20:56] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/character.jpg [20:56] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/character.png [20:56] eviljames, check the cde entry in wikipedia, there are screenshots there [20:56] Dominian: you see that? [20:56] what was it? [20:58] nullboy: irssi shows nothing there [20:58] nullboy: it was a B [20:58] oh nvm [20:58] the B is in your screenshot. [20:58] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [20:58] in that case, I'm in the same boat as lee555J5 [20:58] there, refresh [20:58] that character is a square with two zeros on top, a seven and an f at the bottom [20:58] CDE has title bars that look like mwm or fvwm [20:58] antler: ... [20:59] ... [20:59] antler: that is a place holder, i'm asking what it was supposed to be [20:59] nullboy: i know, was just playin :P [21:00] nullboy: see what? [21:00] Dominian: in that screen shot, on your line of text [21:00] nullboy: it was a backspace or something [21:00] hmm [21:00] nachox: oh of cousre, how coulde I have forgotten CDE (I checked a screenshot) [21:01] strange [21:01] I'm so glad I only chose to use it two or 3 times and then never, ever again... [21:01] nullboy: ^H does that show up as weird characters for you? [21:01] nope, shows ^H [21:01] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) joined ##slackware. [21:01] Ah, I probably should have pressed ctrl-H then [21:02] <- how about that (furreal this time) [21:02] eviljames, it is MUCH faster than gnome... and it's eoled, you wont be able to use it anymore except maybe in hp-ux or aix [21:02] nachox: Neither of which I have much desire to use (or any access to at all) [21:02] Dominian, still fighting with RBAC? stuff tends to crash in odd ways with it :) [21:02] eviljames, AIX 6.1 is very decent [21:03] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-13-30-240.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:03] i have never used hp-ux and i probably never will, it runs in itanium which is basically dead [21:03] nachox: AIX is decent compared to ... ? [21:04] eviljames: http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/character1.png [21:04] nachox: i booted opensolaris up [21:04] and gnome came up [21:04] so i rebooted and removed the cd [21:04] nachox: I found out that there's a default policy installed.. you have to replace tha tpolicy with the one that galearn produces.. which I didn't do alst time.. hence why I got locked out [21:04] eviljames, compared to everything else... [21:04] aci gtalk? [21:04] argh.. [21:04] wow, that's neat. [21:05] acidchild: gtalk [21:05] acidchild, and? [21:06] i'm heading off now [21:06] damn.. ok.. later man [21:06] acidchild got too popular for his own liking, time to go be antisocial [21:06] no he's busy with other stuff.. trust me [21:06] lol [21:06] always a woman involved [21:07] nullboy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Latin_unicode_block and scroll down to U+007f [21:07] That's what compels me to be afk whenever I'm afk... damn women. If only they weren't so awesome... [21:07] I'm wondering if having /tmp 777 is a bad thing [21:07] acidchild, you'll fall inlove of zfs, i promise you that [21:08] Action: eviljames did [21:08] lee555J5: thanks dude! that was awesome [21:08] Dominian, it's the damn default! things break without that! [21:08] lee555J5: i didn't even know what that square meant, only that it usually means i'm missing something [21:08] nachox: that's crazy [21:09] nacho@saturn:~$ ls -ld /tmp [21:09] drwxrwxrwt 40 root sys 4051 Mar 30 21:30 /tmp [21:09] nullboy: magic char :) [21:09] nachox: thsoe asshats were able to execute a file OUTOF /tmp.. which is bad imho [21:09] hehe [21:09] drwxrwxrwt 47 root root 12288 2009-03-30 16:06 /tmp [21:09] yup, default indeed [21:09] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [21:09] hence why the RBAC stuff [21:09] however, it won't matter much.. I have to move hosts again.. so taking the vmware image with me is not an option [21:09] Dominian, you dont want rbac in tmp :) [21:10] nahno.. but I want to curtail such things from being able to execute anything in /tmp [21:12] Action: eviljames needs doritos [21:12] mount /tmp in its own disk partition with the noexe parameter [21:12] reading/writing is one thing, but running executables from /tmp should be denied [21:12] Dominian, ohh, just make /tmp a tmpfs filesystem and mount it with noexec [21:12] nachox: yeah.. working on that next [21:12] I just want to get this RBAC file done so I can start looking it over... whatever host I move to next.. will more than likely get ggrsecurity added to it [21:13] nachox: the same shold go for /var/tmp btw [21:13] either that or symlink ./var/tmp to /tmp [21:13] but /var/tmp and /tmp were used for different things iirc [21:16] slackytude (n=slacky@p57A75A7D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:17] v4nelle (n=van@adsl96-127.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:20] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [21:20] Dominian, you want nosuid too [21:21] yeah.. like I said.. on this box.. it won't matter [21:21] I have to move hosts soon [21:26] Anyone interested in texlive? :) [21:28] i don't want to do a fresh install, but want to format my / partition (hda1, say) so that it's jfs. i ran dd and backed up hda1, formatted /dev/hda1 (jfs), ran dd to restore hda1, and fixed the fstab. reboot. fail. i think dd is restoring hda1 to the former fs. anyway, i was thinking about mounting the dd image and doing a straight copy over to the new jfs partition. i'm not sure, but i might run into permission problems when i try to boot. any sug [21:28] antler: Does your kernel have jfs support ? [21:28] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [21:28] also [21:28] eviljames: yeah of course [21:28] dd would copy the filesystem details too [21:29] eviljames: yeah, that's why it failed [21:29] If anyone is (don't everyone talk at once) ;-) see http://slackware.org.uk/people/rlworkman/sources/12.2/texlive/ [21:29] rworkman: you used tex for your brazil presentation, didn't you? [21:29] No packages yet though [21:29] lee555J5: I did [21:29] antler: from your statement, I think it should work (now that I read it all :D) [21:29] It can't be better than PowerPoint? ;) [21:30] lee555J5: HAHAHAAHAHA [21:30] Have you seen the slides? [21:30] yes [21:30] eviljames: mounting the dd image and doing a straight copy to the jfs partition, you mean? [21:30] :) [21:30] Aren't they on your site? 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[22:06] is anyone having transparency with fluxbox? (transset?) [22:07] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat077.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [22:08] neonflux (n=neonflux@adsl-99-20-133-110.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:10] rworkman: I tried for with-pc-path=/usr/lib/pkgconfig but pkg-config could not see the pc file --with-pc-path is for pkg-config configure option [22:10] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.238) joined ##slackware. [22:11] nachox (n=nacho@190.51.55.238) left irc: Client Quit [22:19] XGizzmo (n=XGizzmo@ampache/staff/XGizzmo) left irc: Nick collision from services. [22:19] Nick change: XGizzmo_ -> XGizzmo [22:19] vbatts (n=vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:19] jak2000 (n=ja@201.155.138.198) left irc: No route to host [22:19] hmm probably has nothing to do, but I can have transparency and nice fading effects with fluxbox+xcompmgr but kde4 desktop effects doesn't start :( [22:20] PiterPun1 (i=3354@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [22:20] risperidon (n=risperid@189.77.60.84) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:22] koolniczka (n=nobody@unaffiliated/koolniczka) left irc: "Leaving." [22:24] MLanden (n=mello@pool-141-152-170-113.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Heya,folks...How's everyone? [22:24] P4C0 (n=susana@190.141.73.196) left irc: "leaving" [22:24] rob0_ (i=rob0@sorry.nodns4.us) joined ##slackware. [22:24] Meh. [22:25] That bad,MrHales?!? [22:25] Sorry,couldn't resist [22:26] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.188.202) left irc: "leaving" [22:27] Yes. [22:27] Actually, worse. [22:27] I could just cry. [22:28] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:28] sorry to hear of that,MrHales [22:29] Nick change: PiterPun1 -> Piter_Punk [22:30] Do you know what its like trying to administrate a Drupal installation when you can't access a command line? When you have to use *many, many f-words, none of which are "fabulous"* CPanel? [22:31] haha [22:31] ouch [22:31] well I had enough fun with opensolaris [22:31] Dominian: your running your cpu hard dude. [22:31] email is slowing down as hell [22:32] I know, it's supposed to be all friendly, and easy, but it just SUCKS! It's like Windows, only with network latency! [22:32] MrHales: yeah Cpanel isn't that great really unless you know how to use Drupal among others in it [22:32] 19:31 < firebird619> MIDI cable=$11.98, working with Linux=priceless [22:32] isn't that the truth? [22:32] rworkman (n=rworkman@about/slackware/rworkman) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:32] dzimitri (n=reaper@190.191.98.179) joined ##slackware. [22:32] That truly is priceless,eviljames...:D [22:33] _chess_ (n=chess@unaffiliated/chess/x-7295101) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:33] Nick change: rob0_ -> rob0 [22:33] gem_cat (n=GEM@207-119-11-237.dyn.centurytel.net) joined ##slackware. [22:33] Are people being trained to hate linux users these days ? [22:34] If I want to empty a folder, I have to go to CPanel, open the file manager, clickety-click around to the folder, clickety-click select all, clickety-click delete, with page reloads after *every* operation. Or, I could just say "rm -rf public_html/foo/bar/*" and be done with it. CPanel is EASY?!!? [22:34] Hopefully. if there's one thing Linux needs it is to be scorned more. [22:34] "Linux is only for die [22:34] Hard Microsoft Haters, and you could fit most of those people in [22:34] the palm of your hand." post on a hardware site [22:34] paranoia is good for you Soul_keeper [22:34] acidchild: get on gtalk [22:34] Soul_keeper: haha, n00bposts are n00b. [22:35] Alan_Hicks (n=alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [22:35] Action: rob0 believes in equal opportunity ... hates ALL regardless of race, creed, OS [22:35] rob0: You hate regardless of OpenSolaris... well, that is equal opportunity...\ [22:35] Action: gem_cat hums 'merry minuet' [22:35] I can't remember off the top of my head what I have to go through just to make a friggin' symlink, but I'm pretty sure a custom php script is involved.... [22:36] I told the guy he's missinformed, and he said I was living in a disfunctional world ... [22:36] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:36] Soul_keeper: Tell him that he's just jealous because he has no idea how to use a computer. [22:36] Well, that's okay, Soul_keeper. At least it isn't a dysfunctional world. [22:36] john_dee (n=id@pppoe18419.mv.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:36] Action: MLanden agrees with eviljames [22:36] :) [22:37] Soul_keeper: what does he call Apple people then? [22:37] they are claiming linux only has 2% market share [22:37] <--- English maven, please forgive. [22:37] MrHales, cheat and use mc - it is very easy [22:37] Dominian: i'm on [22:37] Soul_keeper: well linux does for desktop but market share is a bit hard to track down on linux among some of the other really [22:37] Soul_keeper: Yeah, except for every damn mailserver in the world, the majority of webservers, etc. etc. etc. [22:37] You know, though, even if Linux only claims .00002% of the market share, the Linux (and other free OS) community doubles in size every quarter while Mac remains stable and Window$ shrinks [22:38] exactely [22:38] acidchild: I don't see you? [22:38] Nah, that's a red herring. [22:38] Dominian: same? [22:39] The true Linux market share is probably much higher, but we just don't care enough to register as a "linux user" [22:39] I see both of you :) [22:39] they are basing the 2% number off some W3Counter.com numbers apparently [22:39] eviljames: depends on your definition of "linux user" [22:39] gem_cat: Well, Konqueror's ftp support has been a Godsend, honestly, but not being able to simply untar an archive into the appropriate place rather than untarring on my local box and then uploading all the files, one at a time, is sure irritating... maybe CPanel has an extractor, but my hatred blinds me to any usefulness of such a Micro$haft tainted product [22:39] jak2000 (n=ja@189.155.208.237) joined ##slackware. [22:39] ugh I need a better resolution for vidcontrol then the default one ... [22:40] alisonken1home: indeed, but overall, I think those numbers are totally bunk. [22:41] 2%, 5%, 1,563%, all idiotic. [22:41] user percentages are marketing hype anyway [22:41] I sorta miss using Konqueror as my default browser now and again, because at least Konqueror could display css text shadows... [22:41] MrHales: Yeah, it's certainly nice. [22:42] Well, in my town, *I* am the Linux user. [22:42] SHAMWOW!!! [22:42] lol,eviljames [22:42] in MY town, I am one of a multitude of users :) [22:42] ( I wouldn't call myself legion yet, though) [22:43] in MY town, I am legion [22:43] I spawn Linux users [22:43] I've gotten a few people to try Linux, one convert (who now lives in Fort Bragg, so he don't count). At least I've gotten a couple of people to experiment with some free apps (OOo, GIMP) [22:43] do virtual spawns count? [22:43] MrHales, mc = midnite commander - it does all that stuff the old fashioned way including all command line functions [22:44] alisonken1home: Only if you group them with alt-1 a'la starcraft [22:44] mc ahhahahahahaah [22:44] SO GOOD I hadn't thought about that in years [22:44] MrHales: mc is to linux as norton commander used to be for dos [22:44] I've spawned two Linux users, but their school still runs the Enemy [22:44] okibisan (i=1000@24-158-197-146.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [22:44] I tried mc exactly twice [22:44] I hated it even more the second time. [22:44] it has it's uses [22:45] MrHales: That's how I feel about CDE [22:45] just like emacs sometimes has a use [22:45] nachox told me to go look at a screenshot, I nearly barfed, it reminded me of Solaris 10 [22:45] (still trying to figure that one out, though ) [22:45] It may well be the end-all, be-all of file management, but I prefer "ls|grep -i foo" [22:45] alisonken1home: I have never, never, ever, in 10 years of slackware and 12 years of various unixes, never ever used emacs. [22:46] like I said ........ :) [22:46] eviljames: ^^^^^ [22:46] I looked at emacs once. It was a classroom. They made me. It ran lisp tetris. [22:46] There is a scary documentary on the Taleban in Pakistan on CBC right now [22:46] the funny thing about the article on linux only having 2% market share is.... the giant MS advertisement you have to look at and click "continue to article" [22:46] Then I fired up vi and did some actual work. [22:47] wow micrsoft owns a patent for car navigation hmm wonder if they will sue the others gps companies as well now [22:47] tntslack (n=will@adsl74-111.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:47] so MrHales how do you do a virtical cut and paste in a document? [22:47] not "car navigation", but something used by car navigation equipment. theoretically [22:47] kitche: Not likely, as Garmin and such do more than that. [22:47] DeepY0X (n=DeepY0X@190.41.12.105) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [22:47] mark-a, move cursor, cut-a, move cursor, paste-a [22:48] You mean like "15dd 20j p"? [22:48] alisonken1home: wait, wtf? that can't be what they own. [22:48] emacs > vim [22:48] aceofspades19: really ? [22:48] yes [22:48] alisonken1home: no car navigation patent they own [22:48] mcedit > * [22:48] think it has to deal with sync alisonken1home [22:48] aceofspades19 <- HOLY CRAP PROOF OF EMACS USE IN THE WILD [22:48] Micro$oft will soon patent dihydrogen monoxide and sue me for breathing. [22:48] eviljames: there are lots of people that use emacs [22:48] it's one of the '... methods .... ' type patents in softyware onlye [22:48] eviljames: join #emacs [22:48] aceofspades19: What are GNU/you doing with emacs? [22:48] heh [22:49] othermindszine (n=othermin@9.sub-70-192-116.myvzw.com) left irc: "Where ever you may be, be well. Namarië." [22:49] (and yes, I know therre's a typo) [22:49] aceofspades19: Sorry to sound so incredulous, but i've never met or spoken with anyone who has done anything but bitch about emacs, should the topic arise. [22:49] eviljames: I could be running xemacs you know [22:49] or some other OS [22:50] I would say emacs is more like a desktop enviroment [22:50] Point. [22:50] MrHales: They would have a hard time suing you for breathing if they owned a patent on dihydrogen monoxide... unles... could it be? Proof of mermen in the wild? [22:50] but man TomTom lost a main feature though guess they will write their devices now [22:50] to some, emacs _IS_ the operating system [22:50] oops... drinking [22:50] hehehehe [22:50] emacs doesn't have a kernel [22:50] so therefore it can't be an os [22:50] mmmm... drinking :) [22:50] aceofspades19: ah but it does [22:50] aceofspades19: you forget that people think that MSOffice is the operating system as well [22:51] Indeed. [22:51] just not one that understands hardware :) [22:51] MS Word is a programming language [22:51] kitche: where? [22:51] alisonken1home: It isn't? Then why do people spend $500 for it? [22:51] and that "learning the computer" really only means "where do I click to do what I want" kind of thing [22:51] MrHales: :) [22:52] alisonken1home: My boss' wife brought me her flashy new pink netbook today. She was adamant. I had to install Open Source for her immediately. She can get no work done without Open Source. [22:52] eviljames: even better than the ones I forgot :) [22:52] Naturally, Open Source is what she dubbed Open Office. [22:52] But it's pink,eviljames....LOL [22:52] wouldn't that hurt the eyes? [22:52] Hey, the fact I got my brother, Peter Griffin, to use OOo I consider to be not just winning a battle, but the war. [22:53] aceofspades19: you can have emacs run on the linux kernel alone nothing else so indeed it does have a kernel :) [22:53] eviljames,did she have any idea of the specs? [22:53] there are already idiots on hardware forums claiming opencl is a feature of directx, just mind boggling [22:53] kitche: it doesn't have *its own* kernel [22:54] MLanden: it was the 10" i think, with the 160gb hd [22:54] Soul_keeper: But it is. So is the Tellurian. Haven't you been to Microsoft.com? They'll set you straight. [22:54] MLanden: unless the 160 only comes in a 9".. sucker was small. [22:54] how could you do any work on a pink laptop without your eyes bleeding? [22:55] aceofspades19: Blindfold and beer. [22:55] OK [22:55] sorry - it would take something more than a beer for that one [22:55] Hence the blindfold... [22:55] eviljames: No. His question was "did *she* have any idea of the specs" :) [22:55] :-) [22:55] aceofspades19: neither does GNu unless you count HURD [22:55] it was bad enough when I was working at the distance education school near here and I turn on one of the macs and it opens to a tinkerbell background [22:56] it's nearly impossible to argue with these people too. Seems like Everything their believe in is based off emotion, and they won't let facts get in the way of that. [22:56] MY EYES, THE GOGGLES DO NOTHING [22:56] "GNU HURD" "Heard what?" [22:56] lol [22:56] new herd of what? [22:56] kitche: hence why people say gnu/linux [22:56] thanks, lee555J5 [22:56] lee555J5: She did. She knew it was an adam processor, and that she had lots of hd space [22:57] hahahahah [22:57] where is the eve processer? [22:57] adam processor? [22:57] aceofspades19: hence why people don't say gnu/linux unless you actually follwo RMS around :) [22:57] Count the ribs. Eve processor is still in development [22:57] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:57] I remember the sinclair adam - but that's waaaaaay long time ago [22:57] I want dual eves :) [22:57] In reality, I've worked on her and the boss man's computer literacy whenever they're around me. [22:57] kitche: Uhm... I do. [22:57] ckt1g3r_ (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:58] For anyone who struggles to do so, use a desk metaphor -- everyone understands it and it only takes 1 second. [22:58] ckt1g3r_ (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Client Quit [22:58] No they don't, eviljames. [22:58] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [22:58] MrHales: with a little work, everyone can be trained :D [22:58] Last time I said "right click on the desktop" to a coworker, they just stared silently at the top of their desk for thirty seconds. [22:59] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [22:59] I then had to explain what a computer's desktop was. [22:59] and what a right-click was. [22:59] That's not a surprise. One of the best graphic artists I've ever seen probably knows less. [23:00] People don't care, and you can't tell them and have that make them care [23:00] Its usually easier to just ask them politely to stand up and move out of the way. [23:00] So folks that don't care, don't take the effort. [23:00] The ones that actually ask you computer questions and want to get something done care, and they'll listen. [23:00] MrHales: Nick Burns :) [23:00] eh? [23:01] but he wasn't so polite [23:01] I never ask people to move out of the way [23:01] I ask them if they want me to just do it quickly or if they want to know how and why to do it [23:01] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [23:01] most people consider the question and opt to move. The ones who don't can be trained. [23:01] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-28-12.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [23:01] uh MrHales this is a loop - my wife has encountered advanced accounting students who never used a computer - in her class they learn or fail [23:02] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.146.225) joined ##slackware. [23:02] Computer training: Sit down. Do stuff. Repeat for ten years. You have been enlightened. [23:02] jak2000 (n=ja@189.155.208.237) left ##slackware. [23:02] anyone has tried the last firefox 3 beta? [23:03] MrHales, 'download your homework assignments' (usually works in 2 weeks) [23:04] _ohm (n=mark@own30694RN.rh.ncsu.edu) joined ##slackware. [23:04] I could, in a moment of genius and inspiration that comes along once in fifteen generations, write a book titled "Master Your Computer in 10 Seconds With No Effort!" that really works and a lot of people would rather just have somebody do it all for them. [23:05] Far too many people are more likely to juggle Faberge eggs blindfolded and without training than just experiment with an average desktop system. [23:06] MrHales, that is why many of us hate windows - when the same action produces different results the learning curve goes nowhere [23:06] dissociative: 3.1 is standard issue in opensolaris/dev repo [23:06] dissociative: (firefox, that is) [23:07] gem_cat: That's why Ubuntu liveUSB can be useful. I've had windows-centric friends that I converted with that strategy [23:07] But how many will tackle the learning curve? [23:08] gem_cat: I spend the $20 on a 4GB usb stick, load ubuntu on it and give it to them. I tell them that when the computer is bugging them try Linux and see if it does what they're lookign to do easier. [23:08] gem_cat: Gradually, they inevitably switch either in whole or +dual boot for games. The cost is that some day they give away the usb stick for someone else to do the same. [23:09] In my staff room at lunch today they were all talking about anti-virus, firewalls, and April 1st. [23:09] good combo,hitest [23:09] Because of 60 Minutes reporting that the Internet is Infected(!!!) last night? [23:09] heh [23:10] MLanden: Every single one, every time. They have all converted, and have in turn converted at least one more person [23:10] so, eviljames, have you heard any other good jokes lately? [23:10] ... What's anti-virus? [23:10] Action: MrHales looks all innocent and stuff. [23:10] very good MrHales [23:11] I told them I didn't use windows........I use Linux (blank stares) [23:11] Nick change: natural_mind -> vbatts [23:11] awesome,eviljames [23:11] dngr (n=dngr@112.118.130.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:12] "I don't get virii." "What anti-virus do you use?" "I don't." I love that conversation. :-D [23:12] yeah [23:12] Lectus (n=chatzill@189.104.6.138) joined ##slackware. [23:13] "Only Idiots that can't use Microsoft proper switch to Linux. MS. serves Millions and Milions of people and Linux supports a very small group of people." [23:13] geeze. [23:14] haha [23:14] I'd reply thusly: "Build a tool that any fool can use, and only a fool will use it." perhaps [23:14] dem lil things in the water, dey jus floaties [23:14] I didn't mention that I run slackware.......because then I'd have to explain wtf I was talking about. [23:14] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [23:14] Maybe put "...and only Mil*L*ions of fools will use it." [23:15] hitest: No, I don't bother with that conversation either [23:15] rworkman (i=3356@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:15] :) [23:16] EvilUrchlay (n=urchlay@adsl-145-167-230.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:16] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-51-203-128.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:18] rworkman (i=3356@slackware.com) left ##slackware. [23:18] eviljames, Englishman first night in US is awakend by drunk shouting 'death to all fools' - looks the guy in the eye and says 'ambitious project ol bloke' [23:18] rworkman (i=3356@slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [23:19] Many, many moons ago, long before I had been blessed with Slack, there was a saying about Macs and PCs. "Macs are smart computers for stupid people. PCs are stupid computers for smart people." I think this was the 3.11 days of M$... I suppose then, by the same analogy, Linux must be a brain-dead computer for geniuses. On a Mac, you can know nothing and do good work. On Windows, you might have to learn something to do good work. On Linux you may we [23:20] Coming here is a balm for my battered soul. [23:21] shorter version of that: Windows treats you like an idiot, Linux expects you to be a genius. Which are you? [23:21] Even shorter: Windows treats you like an idiot. Are you? [23:21] gem_cat: hahaha [23:21] a geniune idiot [23:22] All of them are. [23:22] the wizard cats the runtime - he has to be both [23:23] "And Dude you must be on Crack Cocaine or Meth if you believe Linux is running more webservers and mailservers, MS has about 92% of this market." where do these people come from ? [23:23] lol Soul_keeper we are even [23:23] Redmond, WA [23:24] hahahaha [23:24] marketing,soul_keeper [23:24] That's the only place on earth that fool could've come from. [23:24] Soul_keeper: Tell them, "Google LAMP" [23:24] people on meth aren't likely to know one way or the another about web server, in my experience... [23:24] People on meth aren't patient enough for the web. [23:25] heh [23:25] Yeah I stopped using MS when I got off the drugs ... [23:25] Soul_keeper: You know how very young children think that if *they* can't see *you* -- then you can't see them? Ever tried convincing one that he/she is wrong? [23:25] People on meth probably thing that the web is something a spider makes. [23:25] people on crack don't have computers (they sell them to get more rocks) [23:25] Soul_keeper: moral of the story: sometimes it's easier to just ignore it and let time do its thing :) [23:25] dzimitri (n=reaper@190.191.98.179) left irc: "Lost terminal" [23:26] not ashamed to admit I've bought a laptop from a crackhead before [23:26] yeah I just said his facts were wrong, go learn something, and i was done replying to him. just not worth it [23:26] I wish I knew more crackheads... I'd have more stuff for less. [23:26] The new America discount shopping plan? [23:26] trust me you don't wanna know crackheads .... [23:27] eviljames: 5 fingers? [23:27] they'll knock at your door at 4am asking to borrow 50 cents and stuff [23:27] Malls are closing, car companies out of business... but the buying cheap shit from crackheads industry is booming! [23:28] heh. A crackhead knocked at my door at midnight asking to borrow a pair of pants because he pissed in his [23:28] Probably not. Went out for a smoke outside an ER once, dude asked me for a light, had his chin all stitched up. I was curious, of course, so I asked. "Crackhead stabbed me in the mouth when I wouldn't give him my wallet." I reacted with all sorts of shock, predictably and asked, "Where did this happen?!" "Right over there," he pointed. "Oh, well, I'm going back inside now." [23:28] ...then at 2AM he came back and said the same thing [23:28] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [23:29] Cat5 (n=cat5-613@fox.catfive.org) left irc: [23:29] and crackheads always wanna "borrow" stuff or hide in your yard from the cops/monsters/aliens [23:29] (I knew the guy... the first time my roommate gave him some old pants to get rid of him, even) [23:29] Starchaser (n=iron@host89-251-107-20.hnet.ru) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:30] same crackhead sold me a bicycle for $10, then 6 months later stole it back, then a week later tried to sell it to me again [23:30] a repeated pants-pissing crackhead comes to your house in the middle of the night asking to borrow clothing [23:30] hold on [23:30] lol [23:30] a repeated pants-pissing bike-stealing crackhead comes to your house in the middle of the night asking to borrow clothing [23:30] eviljames: yes. He actually used to live at that house... [23:30] Time to move, dude. [23:30] Piter_Punk (i=3354@slackware.com) left irc: "leaving" [23:30] ...like before I lived there [23:30] and [23:30] hey [23:30] This channel is a little too evil at the moment! [23:30] eh, this was maybe 10 years ago, I did move [23:31] (it finally dawns on me ... ) [23:31] maddslacker (n=cmaddock@c-24-9-181-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] oh, sorry, I can't get rid of regular ol' Urchlay right now (ssh port is closed due to lame roommate) [23:31] Can't ghost 'im? [23:31] don't have a freenode account, never bothered to register [23:31] birdlives (n=lee@96.240.45.172) left irc: "Leaving" [23:32] Action: MrHales asks as if he knows what he's talking about. Trying to sound all cool and knowledgeable. Failing. [23:32] or you mean, send one of the ghosts from Starcraft over to the apartment and call in a nuclear strike? Most of my stuff is still here... [23:32] haha [23:32] er, still there [23:33] Nick change: EvilUrchlay -> Urchlay_2 [23:33] dammit. "2.0" not allowed [23:33] Nick change: Urchlay_2 -> Urchlay_2-rc1 [23:33] Lufbery_jaa (n=Drew@pool-72-70-165-105.hrbgpa.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:33] heh [23:34] Speaking of ghosts, anyone else see that Ghost in the Shell-esque invisibility cloak in development? [23:34] EvilUrchlay, google your full name sometime - find out how many others have same name - and what sites your pissed off x has signed you up for [23:34] haha [23:34] I'm sure there are many eviljames accounts out there.. [23:34] good night, slackers:) [23:34] some of them mine. [23:34] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:34] heh. Don't really want to know if there are other Urchlays in the world. If I know they exist, I have to start killing them [23:34] There can be only one! [23:34] I found this site once that would search databases for all people with one's full name. THere's like seventy of me, or something [23:35] MrHales: I read about that. I thought it was an early April fools at first. [23:35] Urchlay_2-rc1: MORTAL KOMBAT!!! *cue cheesy techno music* TEST YOUR MIGHT [23:35] bigpaws (n=bigpaws@clsm-208-111-237-227-pppoe.dsl.clsm.epix.net) left ##slackware. [23:35] Lufbery_jaa: The invisibility suit? [23:35] know a girl googled her own name and found out she shares a name with a woman who went to prison for killing her own baby [23:35] MrHales: I saw a headline on reddit.com. Didn't click, though [23:36] jerojasro (n=jerojasr@190.252.146.225) left irc: "leaving" [23:36] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] tpollard (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:36] MrHales: yeah, the invisibility suit. If I have to be naked to wear it, though, well...that could be emarrasing. [23:37] poor detroit... I need to stop watching the news. It's crazy, you could buy a neighborhood there for $1,000... [23:37] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKPVQal851U [23:38] first hit, probably not the best one [23:38] I'm checking it out now. [23:39] hm. Why couldn't it makes your clothes invisible too? [23:39] It looks like it makes everything invisible [23:39] (even better if it's a ray you shoot at other people to turn their clothes invisible) [23:39] MrHales: It looks pretty neat. [23:40] market it as the "Declothinator" or the "Nakedomitron 2000" or something [23:40] i came here to ask if there is a current lamp recipie out there - i have to set up an internal server - everything I googled is years old [23:40] Man... I just needed to see than and further enforce my paranoia. Great. Now I'm going to be watching for Predators [23:40] MrHales: now is the time to buy lots of spray paint [23:41] tpollard__ (n=tpollard@eth3227.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [23:41] maddslacker (n=cmaddock@c-24-9-181-130.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "bnIRC - smack my BitchX up" [23:42] MrHales, sillystring is easier to clean up and just as effective [23:43] hm, paintball guns [23:43] No, water... [23:43] gem_cat: lamp recipie? [23:43] Must live in middle of a large body of water, short circuit Predator cloack [23:44] cloak, too [23:44] gem_cat: like, how to set up linux+apache+mysql+php ? [23:44] hm, so a super soaker would make a good anti-predator weapon? [23:44] yes eviljames [23:44] gem_cat: are you at all interested in Ruby on Rails? [23:44] not really Lufbery_jaa [23:44] gem_cat: installpkg *tgz, read the config docs. With very little experience it would take a week. If you already know the [amp] part, it can be done in an afternoon. [23:45] Nick change: tpollard__ -> tpollard [23:45] I have done it several times - it has been a few years though [23:46] does anyone besides me want to vomit when working on someone else's code, and the guy has a directory called "controlers"? [23:48] or three variables in the same class called "emploeeID", "mployee_ID" and "empl_id"? [23:48] fun :) [23:49] waow-waow-waow....waow-waow-waow...... Urchlay_2-rc1 [23:49] Is that the whaaaambulence? [23:49] sirens going off in the distance [23:49] Urchlay_2-rc1: Thank stars for coders like that, they keep everyone else employed :D [23:49] eviljames: no, it's charlie brown's teacher talking to charlie brown [23:49] alarum bells... "Warning: Steaming pile of fail ahead" [23:49] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [23:49] Urchlay_2-rc1, thats just legasy - imports (and other peoples data) all come with garbage [23:50] gem_cat: this ain't data, it's code. The guy doesn't know how to spell "employee"... and couldn't think of better names, so he has 3 variables called the same thing, only spelled in different wrong ways each time [23:51] for bonus points, can you guess which of the above is a public static final const? [23:51] (errr, public static final. No const keyword in java...) [23:51] erbi (n=erbi@unaffiliated/erbi) joined ##slackware. [23:53] Urchlay_2-rc1: not a charlie brown fan, i take it..... :( [23:54] obviously he made himself indespensable (thats another old joke but I am too tired to tell it) [23:55] antler: eh, I know charlie brown, don't get how it applies here [23:56] other than, the guy might as well name all his variables "waow_waow1", "waow_waow2", etc [23:56] well it's good that you're past beta testing anyway :P [23:56] Oh, well at least these imperfect, fallible invisibility cloaks were developed a short decade ago. With as slowly as technology tends to develop, I'm sure I'll have nothing to worry about any time soon. I'm going to have to have myself committed now, I just know it. [23:58] I worked on something will all the variables in hindi - might as well be waow_waow [23:58] Urchlay_2-rc1: i feel like being mr. non sequitor tonight :P [23:58] stunix__ (n=stunix@cm-84.209.3.196.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [23:58] eh? Urchlay_2.0-release is secretly actually a beta, with all the customers as unwitting beta testers [23:58] 2.1-release will be the real 2.0 [23:58] tpollard_ (n=tpollard@eth3087.qld.adsl.internode.on.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:59] I hate doctor's offices for this very reason. I happen to pick up a seven-year-old issue of Popular Mechanics and see what I find out about?! [23:59] be thankful for employment Urchlay_2-rc1 [23:59] Action: MrHales twitches. [23:59] Action: Urchlay_2-rc1 fires a tranquilizer dart at MrHales [00:00] --- Tue Mar 31 2009