[00:00] Urchlay, how do you feel about Turing tests? [00:00] Urchlay, neither machine or human can solve my sqrt(5+sqrt(5)) test. [00:00] eldragon: what? that should be solvable [00:00] Action: Urchlay short-circuits and bursts into flames... "Feel" does not compute! [00:01] eldragon, 2.68999404785582930783 [00:01] the oil rig platform didn't pass the Turing test. [00:01] Urchlay: yeah.. maybe it is. heh [00:02] Urchlay, do you feel optimistic about how the world is going to turn out? [00:02] not really [00:03] the Apocalypse begun [00:03] 40 days ago. [00:03] Urchlay do you feel that the problem in the gulf of Mexico was avoidable [00:03] but I also don't think everything is about to go down in flames. Humans will do what humans always do (muddle through best they can) [00:03] i'm waiting for 1/3 of vessels to be destroyed. [00:04] our primitive ancestors survived an ice age armed only with bone and stone tools [00:04] don't hide my dear vessels, the prophecy doesn't lie. [00:04] if it was inevitable then it would be pointless to want to do anything about it [00:04] Action: ut wouldn't call that "surviving" [00:04] the problem in the gulf? well, any particular accident could have been avoided, when looked at with hindsight [00:04] of course it's surviving.. we're here now, aren't we? [00:04] eldragon, your mom will be mad if you break her vessels [00:04] no computers, no books... no fluffy pillows! [00:04] that is a good point about the ice age, but they never had our population density [00:04] ok, that was bad =P [00:05] another ice age of their magnitude and a lot of people are going to die at once [00:05] since I don't know anything about how oil drilling works even when it's working normally, I can't really give a useful opinion [00:05] i'll be the only man that i'll survive after. [00:05] Action: ut changes his resolution with xrandr, claps gleefully [00:05] okay, that made no sense [00:05] my new name will be Dekaulion. [00:05] i remember that not working at all [00:06] pi31416: sure. But I bet more of us survive next time. [00:06] i wouldn't want to be one of the majority [00:06] (who die suddenly) [00:06] I think another ice age would mainly hit low income, and perhaps people from the warmer areas [00:06] will they? or will it take a while to freeze and/or starve to death? [00:07] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) joined ##slackware. [00:07] _NaCl_ (~NaCl@unaffilated/nacl/x-827312) left irc: Client Quit [00:08] an ice age would wreck everything. the economy would implode, there'd be riots, fortunes lost, desperate starving people. all kinds of stuff. [00:08] Urchlay: you can read how well North Korea did without an optimal oil supply [00:08] Urchlay: that was a mild crisis compared to an ice age [00:09] it's not ice age, it's silicon age. [00:10] Action: ut fiddles with one of those old malleable erasers [00:10] the vulcanoes are multiplied in the last years [00:11] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:13] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] top kill is failed, xD [00:15] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [00:17] well anyway. [00:17] guess we'll get to see how well the junk shot works [00:18] slackytude|foo (~slacky@g228008034.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [00:19] know a guy who heard they're paying $30-$40/hr to cleanup crews, he's thinking of going out there for a while to work [00:19] i saw something about that on the NOAA site [00:19] so I guess I'll be getting firsthand reports of what conditions are like [00:19] i thought to myself, I bet there is some fine print [00:20] "You accept our employ and you are not allowed to sue us for ruining your livelihood." [00:20] one bit of fine print is that it's contract work, and the minimum length is a month [00:20] (which is OK, I suppose, if you're really wanting to work) [00:21] there were many interesting unstated things on the NOAA site [00:21] "Found around 190 dead turtles. Out of those, there is only evidence that 3 were killed directly by the oil spill." [00:22] Gee, I wonder how they other 187 turtles died. They probably got depressed and didn't see the point in living in the gulf any more. [00:22] poisoning them [00:22] lol@pi [00:23] 1/3 living creatures will be killed [00:24] pi31416, i'm not sure that that stipulation is still in there, but it was in the orginal [00:24] tino27 (~tnoe27@cpe-24-93-180-242.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:24] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) joined ##slackware. [00:24] pi31416, you signed a contract that hired you to clean up if you agree to release BP from any and all liabilities including loss of livelihood resulting from the spill. [00:24] Total abuse [00:25] roccity_ (roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left ##slackware. [00:25] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:25] Rev 8:9 a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. [00:25] the former is past, the latter is future. [00:25] eldragon, i feel like placing you on my ignore list [00:26] cupcake2 (~cupcake@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [00:26] hello guys [00:27] i'll bite: hello cupcake [00:27] at least when a tabloid says they see satan's face in a cloud, they let it go and say something else in the next issue [00:27] Is XFCE officially supported by slackware? I see no XFCE in slackware 13.1 installation. [00:27] I don't like the slow and buggy KDE. [00:28] Is Xfware slackware's xfce? [00:29] what third of ships? [00:30] unicav says slackware comes with xfce on http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=5125.0. [00:31] cupcake2, xap/xfce-4.6.1-i486-8 [00:31] alisonken1home : Should I install xfce after I install slackware? [00:31] Oh [00:31] It's included [00:31] just do a full install - then you have a choice [00:31] I didn't know I could expand the main entries. [00:31] install and just select xfce, cupcake2 [00:31] do a full install, btw [00:31] I should expand and see if it's there. [00:32] one thing i notice about slackbuilds is that it depends on things i would not expect [00:32] as noted by alisonken1home [00:32] clamav fails to build if i do not have sendmail installed [00:32] shonudo : I want to exclude the text games since I only play graphical games. [00:32] Other than that, full install [00:32] fortune is in the games package [00:32] away [00:32] BP is foolish, the wells are as a vagine, its top kill technique doesn't stop the pissing pill. [00:32] oops [00:33] alisonken1home, what's fortune? [00:33] /pissing pill/pissing spill/. [00:33] I'm transferring directly from ubuntu, but I think I can do well. [00:33] anyway [00:33] Just wanted to say in advance. [00:33] fortune is the program that shows sniglets when you log into a console [00:33] that does it, i'm plonking a dragon [00:33] Oh I want it [00:34] It is included also in linux mint. [00:34] Thanks for the info [00:34] np [00:34] what do you mean you are plonking a dragon? [00:34] I will go install it. [00:34] any Linux distro that doesn't offer "fortune" must have been designed by savages or something [00:35] That's ubuntu [00:35] dchmelik: /ignore eldragon all [00:35] cupcake2, fortune is part of bsd-games [00:35] naw, I'm sure ubuntu at least has fortune, even if it's not installed by default [00:35] alisonken1home, I won't ignore text games from now on. [00:35] :) [00:35] heh [00:35] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:35] nice [00:36] I used to like the "paranoia" text-game that was in old versions of slackware [00:36] now, it's very difficult to remove the scrap irons from the well head. [00:37] another one that's not part of slackware is figlets [00:37] m0o [00:37] figlets allows you to make interesting motd messages [00:37] ph|ber, you don't have super cow powers [00:37] m0o [00:37] alisonken1home, Is gentoo more difficult than slackware? [00:38] different, not necessarily more difficult [00:38] Gentoo check dependencies but comes with too many configurations. [00:38] depends on your admin skills and learning how a particular distro works [00:39] alisonken1home, Is it true that slackware still leaves dependencies as our responsibility? [00:39] yes [00:39] It's gonna be a long journey, then. [00:39] slackware packages do not automatically resolve due to issues with current automated dependency resolution algorythms [00:40] What issues are representative among them? [00:40] there are 3rd party package managers available for slackware that do that king of thing, but they are unsupported in ##slackware [00:40] ha [00:41] manager"s" [00:41] typically package maintainers not cleaning up their dependency resolutions and/or pulling in extra dependencies that are optional [00:41] yes - "managers" :) multiple ones available [00:41] cupcake2: I've seen plenty of debian and gentoo boxes get hosed because the 'admins' depended too much on them. [00:41] alisonken1home, Is that a problem of 3rd party package managers or also of many other distros? [00:42] cupcake2: many centos boxes, too. [00:42] it's a problem with any package manager that attempts to force dependency resolution in the package manger rather than allow the admin to make the choices [00:42] I haven't learned slackware, yet, so I ask one question. How do you guys solve dependencies manually? [00:42] the admin is always free to build from source [00:42] frequently they do so on centos boxes [00:43] typically - if it's a binary package, then install the package and see what it fails on - or typically read the readme that should be with it [00:43] cupcake2: Normally 3rd party software says what is needed in order to install/run them [00:43] cupcake2: we know that if you upgrade library a, applications such as x and y are likely to be affected. [00:43] It is not really a titanic task [00:43] alisonken1home, is there a file the lists every file from every package? i seem to remember one. [00:43] Growl__ (~Growl@109.105.162.138) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [00:43] ok [00:44] keep going [00:44] pi31416, only for the slackware packages - it's on the cd/dvd as FILELIST.txt [00:44] I keep going [00:44] cupcake2, it's not that difficult; you'll get it [00:44] grep foo FILELIST.txt could be helpful then [00:44] pi31416, you can also install sbopkg and browse slackbuilds.org from a local cache repository [00:44] for 3rd party packages not part of slackware [00:44] Solving dependencies in windows manually when compiling gtk programs was demanding, though. [00:44] it has an ncurses interface just like pkgtool does [00:45] well, Windows is a case unto itself as it is [00:45] I compiled some GIMP plugins on windows. [00:45] ok, i must be being retarded, but i wanna cat a list of files from a text file to rm to be removed, but cat filelist | rm - does not work, any ideas? [00:45] I'll drop by later [00:45] i have man'd rm and still not any closer [00:45] cupcake2 (~cupcake@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:45] slackin: xargs [00:46] too late, but "good luck" nonetheless [00:46] well, use xargs, or something like => for a in `cat filelist.txt`; do rm {} -f; done [00:46] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [00:46] rm {} -rf [00:46] and hope you get it right the first time :) [00:46] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) left irc: Quit: Night [00:48] or use the -i flag so he doesn't have to get it right the first time :) [00:48] I wish him luck :P [00:51] cupcake2 (~cupcake@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [00:51] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Umm... How can I expand each category(F, XAP, etc) in slackware installation? [00:51] I can't do it [00:52] cupcake2, what do you mean? [00:52] and when you say 'expand', you mean...? [00:52] like you expand a folder in a tree-mode file browser. [00:52] if your trying to install all packages in a series, just "cd slackware/ ; installpkg *.txz" [00:52] I want to see inside each category. [00:53] For example, I want to know what packages are in text game category. [00:53] what do you mean by "see inside each categore" [00:53] what's wrong with 'ls' ? [00:53] hmm [00:53] ok - cd slackware/games ; ls *.txz [00:53] Doesn't "setup" provide package viewer function? [00:53] i think what cupcake2 means is seeing (in detail) what is being installed [00:53] which can be done [00:54] GAAAAAAH i cant figure this out [00:54] why is this so difficult [00:54] shonudo : right [00:54] sorry - I'm used to just using cli to do that :) [00:54] quicker [00:54] yeah, it's a total pita to wade through ALL the stuff [00:54] I didn't know where they were. [00:54] but if you want to, you can cupcake2 [00:55] if you just want to see what files get installed, then for me an easy way is "cd slackware/games ; tar -tf *.txz | less" [00:55] alisonken1home, That would be a flood. [00:55] a minor one if you stick to just games [00:56] no - less is a screen scrolling program so you only see one screen at a time [00:56] shonudo, Can I do it only through "ls"? [00:56] or cli? [00:56] do you have slackware installed? [00:56] not yet [00:56] ^^ see what alisonken1home posted earlier [00:56] which is more proper, slackbuild.org or slackbuilds.org? [00:56] this is funny to watch [00:56] I was playing with "setup" [00:56] then it's going to be a little harder [00:56] setup is an installation program, not a package browser [00:57] ok [00:57] cupcake2, you can choose to select the packages that get installed [00:57] but still do a full install [00:57] i just don't know why you would do that [00:57] it's just time consuming [00:57] shonudo : I just want to see if I can do it. [00:57] just make sure if you decide to _not_ do a full install, you may get some replies that are rather caustic when you ask for help [00:57] But I will do a full install anyway [00:58] from what i've seen, you won't get help with a partial [00:58] typically, it's recommended to do a full install, play with slackware, _then_ decide where to go on another install [00:58] it's just too complicated to figure out what someone has left out [00:58] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [00:59] cupcake2, do a full install (it's fast, it's straightforward) and then check things out -- that's really the best advice [00:59] and you can remove things later if you want [00:59] and it may not matter [01:00] I ask because the title says slackbuilds.org, but the search says slackbuild.org [01:00] qneo (~knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [01:00] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Disconnected by services [01:00] however, the package information for each package is a text file, so you can browsethe files ending in *.txt to see what that particular package is about [01:00] pi31416, use sbopkg - makes it easier :) [01:00] wolven (~wolven@c509EBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:00] shonudo : What I want to do is not exclude any packages, but to see what packages are in and enjoy reading the list of packages. [01:01] again, see what alisonken1home just posted [01:01] cupcake2, read the *.txt file for that package [01:01] you can read txt files [01:01] oh [01:01] right [01:01] Anyway I enjoyed reading the list of packages in debian installation. [01:01] alisonken1home: why do they have a slackbuild/s web site if I am not supposed to browse it? [01:01] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Quit: /etc/rc.d/rc.suspend_brain start [01:02] you are supposed to, but you are also supposed to use sbopkg [01:02] pi31416, those are 3rd party packages that are not supported by ##slackware - but the slackbuilds are made available for other people to use [01:02] I thought you made a slackbuild before, pi31416 [01:02] there's a ##slackbuilds channel, if you really think you need support [01:02] ok i will shut up [01:03] of course, you know this already... [01:03] cupcake2, for example, slackware/y has bsd-games-2.13-i486-11.txz (slackware package) bsd-games-2.13-i486-11.txz.asc (the md5sum for checking good d/l) and bsd-games-2.13-i486-11.txt (slackware description file) [01:04] Action: pi31416 has zipped lips [01:04] alisonken1home, do you like using gnupg? [01:04] pi31416: is that zipped into a .tgz or something else? [01:05] shonudo, it's the new package compression - read the changelog on why the change [01:05] lol [01:05] got it [01:05] cupcake2, haven't used it yet [01:05] Action: pi31416 answers in a muffled murmur [01:05] I'll go to sleep now. Good night everyone [01:05] alisonken1home, It's fun to learn and use, so I recommend using it. [01:06] it's always good to keep learning :) [01:06] It checks .asc files. [01:06] as old as I am and I was still able to get a nice job at a webhosting company [01:07] cupcake2, I don't use gnupg normally - obviously the package manager that pat has setup does, though :) [01:08] bevil (~bevil@222.19.211.68) joined ##slackware. [01:08] ls [01:08] hi there [01:08] hey [01:09] just tried slackware 13.1 [01:09] did it blow you away? [01:11] i am curious how 13.1 would be summarized in 1 or 2 sentences. [01:11] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [01:11] come with me... cupcake! [01:12] How's this, pi31416: "This is slackware 13.1. The previous version was 13." [01:12] "13.0, we got kde4" [01:12] "13.1, kde4 don't crash as much now" [01:13] is the usability and appearance still junk compared to kde3? [01:13] 13.1 is faster [01:13] lal [01:13] bevil (bevil@222.19.211.68) left ##slackware. [01:13] bevil (~bevil@222.19.211.68) joined ##slackware. [01:13] the word is snappy [01:13] I recommend using XFCE. [01:14] snappay [01:14] or icewm [01:14] I heard KDE4 developers cooperated with designers to make UI. [01:14] can you get XFCE to look like kde3... cupcake?! [01:14] dchmelik, it depends on whether you like kde4 or not [01:14] I can't [01:14] Linus torvalds likes KDE4's space age look [01:14] bevil (~bevil@222.19.211.68) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:14] I got used to kde4 even though I liked kde3 [01:14] i heard Microsoft spent millions to make an aesthetically pleasing sound effect scheme in [01:14] Windows Vista [01:15] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) joined ##slackware. [01:15] Most of money must have gone uselessly. [01:15] kde4 feels like Windows XP or 7 instead of 3.1 - 95, and I greatly dislike that [01:15] actually, I believe kde4 was out before XP, vista or 7 [01:15] dchmelik , do you like 3.1-95? I like windows xp classic theme best. [01:15] dchmelik: the funny part is that kde4 felt like vista long before vista hit the market [01:16] playing unrequested sounds isn't an OS's job anyway [01:16] blaines (~blaines@67.130.168.2) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [01:16] before XP, you are kidding, right? [01:16] well, only a little :) [01:16] was it experimental a long time ago or something? [01:16] C compiler cannot create executables [01:16] why? [01:16] i actually prefer the old fashioned windows gui too [01:17] are you trying to compile a 32-bit program in a 64-bit slackware? if so, did you follow the proper steps to install multilib? [01:17] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [01:17] the one without gradients and animated glow effects and that can actually work over a VPN [01:17] Cann0n, ^^^ [01:17] dchmelik, they found an experimental version of kde4 on the dead sea scrolls [01:17] i got multilib [01:17] anyone running fluxbox on Slackware 13.1?----any Xorg issues? [01:17] it's a 32bit but don't i have to compile it via slackbuild then covert the package in /tmp to compat32? [01:18] Cann0n: any time you see that error, go examine config.log in the build directory. It will show the exact compiler command it ran, the program it tried to compile, and the error messages it got [01:18] Cann0n, you also upgraded gcc for multilib AND did the source the proper profile for cross compiling? [01:18] alisonken1home: i got multilib support. googleearth, zsnes, and wine work no problem under multilib [01:19] and remembered to export ARCH=i486 before running the slackbuild? [01:19] When will Slackware be released for superluminal hypercomputers? [01:19] yeah it is [01:19] sometime after Slackware for quantum computers [01:19] i can't find the config.log [01:19] those are pre-compiled binaries - compiling a 32-bit program requires a few extra steps to get the 32-bit version in slackware [01:19] it should be in /tmp/SBo/gens-gs-r7 [01:19] it's in the directory where the source is. Like /tmp/SBo/whatever-1.2.3 [01:20] or perhaps a subdir thereof (possibly src/) [01:20] target_vendor='unknown' [01:20] that's the last non-commented out line [01:20] find /tmp/SBo/gens-gs-r7 -name config.log # ought to do the trick [01:20] one thing i do like about newer gui's is the larger active area [01:20] ok - you missed a step [01:20] canyouscore (~canyousco@c-71-227-32-90.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:21] alisonken1home: how would i go about it then? [01:21] an old gui has a radio button that works if you click in the circle. a new gui has a radio button that works if you click in the entire horizontal space aligned with the circle. [01:21] config.log ends with a huge dump of all the config variables. The actual gcc command + error message will be considerably higher up in the file [01:21] read the notes about cross compiling better? :) [01:21] I haven't done a cross-compile yet, but there are a couple of extra flags to pass before calling the slackbuild [01:22] I do remember reading that part [01:22] alisonken1home: as far as i know, you compile a 32bit problem as 32bit via slackbuild, then convertpkg-compat32 [01:22] s/problem/program/ [01:23] yeah, you're stuck on the compiling part (it isn't working yet) [01:23] no - the convertpkg-compat32 is for slackware pre-built packages when installing the 32-bit packages to run in a slackware multilib setup [01:23] sigh.... [01:23] and only the 32-bit parts that get added to a 64-bit build - not for slackbuilds for a program you're compiling [01:23] alisonken1home: onec you compile the pakcage via slakcbuilds, THEN you convert it [01:24] it might still apply, e.g. to a SBo package that installs headers (don't want to replace your existing ones, if you have the 64-bit version of the package) [01:25] Cann0n: if you can't find the gcc command + error in config.log, maybe you could pastebin the config.log? [01:25] Cann0n, I'm reading the multilib readme now - and they only refer to using convertpkg-compat32 so you can install the 32-bit versions of the same 64-bit programs that are part of slackware [01:26] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:26] i'm lost. w/e. i'll figure it out [01:26] http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ <-- scroll down to the "Compiling 32-bit programs" part [01:26] everything before that is installing multilib compatability in a 64-bit slackware [01:26] Urchlay: i found it. saying it's still trying to compile it as 64bit even though i set the flag to i486 [01:27] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [01:27] (1) You will have to define the ARCH variable as 'x86_64' even though you are compiling a 32-bit program! [01:27] directly from the readme [01:28] configure: error: 64-bit is currently not supported. [01:28] what program? [01:28] troy (~troy@dsl-67-55-10-55.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [01:28] gens-gs-r7 [01:29] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:29] ok - for the gens emulator, you may need a true 32-bit setup rather than multilib [01:30] troy__ (~troy@dsl-69-172-116-219.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:30] either that, or install 32-bit in a vm and compile inside the vm [01:31] grrrr [01:31] i don't have any vm's setup [01:31] yeah - there are some programs that are stupid that way :) [01:31] what woul you recommend in a quick fix [01:32] s/woul/would/ [01:32] use a spare 32-bit machine to make the package? :) [01:32] try running "linux32 ./whatever.SlackBuild" [01:32] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [01:32] one of the reasons I keep an old computer around [01:32] and also, make sure you're really running the 32-bit gcc ("which gcc" ought *not* to show /usr/bin/gcc) [01:33] alisonken1home: can you get an accelerated 32bit vm on a 64bit os? [01:33] /usr//usr/bin/32/gcc [01:33] also, I bet part of the reason it says 64-bit isn't supported, is that it's partly written in 32-bit asm (so you will need nasm) [01:33] if so it could be a use for kvm [01:33] pi31416, haven't tried it yet [01:33] ehm, /usr/usr/bin doesn't look right [01:34] Urchlay, I seem to remember something like that reading some of the forums about those emulators [01:34] lots of emulators have parts written in asm [01:34] Urchlay: it was a middle click fail [01:34] and stupid asm without proper environment checks [01:35] i used to see more double slashes and nested .. in paths [01:35] eh, you expect smart asm to be portable just by reassembling it for 64-bit? doubtful, even if the 64-bit instruction set is a superset of the 32-bit one [01:35] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:35] what vm should i go with? [01:36] i have dial-up so i'm not looking to invest 6 hours for 20megs [01:36] or you mean, it should fail more gracefully than just link failure? [01:36] whichever one you can get working properly :) [01:36] Urchlay, close enough [01:36] can't you point me in a better direction? [01:37] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:37] not I - I haven't played with vm setups befofe [01:37] before [01:37] Cann0n: I think I wore them out, sorry [01:37] we use vm's at the office, but they're setup by the devs, so all I have to do is check to make sure they run [01:37] pi31416: it happens. lol [01:37] linux32 seems to have done the trick actually [01:37] Cann0n: if you have a 32-bit slackware install CD/DVD handy, you can just install all the packages with e.g. ROOT=/usr/local/chroot32, then "linux32 chroot /usr/local/chroot32" [01:38] eh, and make sure /proc gets mounted, inside the chroot [01:38] Urchlay, that sounds pretty slick [01:38] well, it was compiling lol [01:38] not a true VM, but good enough for building 32-bit apps in a "real" 32-bit env [01:38] bind is what you use to get /proc and /sys visible before you start chroot [01:38] i dunno how to set up a chroot environment [01:38] I just told you how :) [01:39] so i just copy everything to /path/to/chroot32 [01:39] yes [01:39] bind /proc /usr/local/chroot/proc ; bind /sys /usr/local/chroot/sy ; linux32 chroot /usr/local/chroot [01:39] and k thanks [01:39] I mounted /dev/sda3 as ntfs and I mounted iso in /dev/sda3 as iso9660 with -o loop option, and I selected that iso-mounted directory as the setup directory. When I enter setup, without a single copy of files, setup says the installation is complete. What is wrong? [01:39] better to use "ROOT=/path/to/chroot32 installpkg /path/to/32bit/packages/a/*.tgz" [01:39] okay, that was a valuable learning moment [01:40] and repeat for ap, d, whatever else you need [01:40] nice Urchlay [01:40] eh, and s/tgz/txz/ for slack 13.x [01:40] The iso was mounted properly and I checked it by "ls". [01:40] alisonken1home: is there a bind command or is that short hand? [01:40] there is a bind command I believe [01:40] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [01:40] alisonken1home: "mount --bind" I think [01:41] what Urchlay said :) [01:41] Urchlay, that's what I do [01:41] mount --bind /sys /usr/local/chroot/sys [01:41] but I often get in trouble for doing things the obsolete way [01:41] shonudo: it's something I've had to do for other stuff too, e.g. running closed-src binaries that only work on a particular version of redhat (so install that version of redhat in a chroot env) [01:41] or wherever your chroot directory is located [01:42] alisonken1home, I selected the full packages and "Install", but setup says the installation is complete without doing nothing. What led to this result? [01:42] has the disadvantage that only root can chroot (but you can write a tiny suid C wrapper that other users can use, if need be) [01:42] cupcake2, probably because you're installing to an ntfs partition :) [01:42] Urchlay, it's slick [01:42] danke [01:42] only bad thing is i onlp have a 12.2 32bit disk [01:42] alisonken1home, The partition I chose is ext4 used previously by ubuntu. [01:42] also, you have to have /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow available [01:43] cupcake2, hmmm [01:43] i know it will work but i'd rather use 13 [01:43] did you boot into a slackware install cd? or are you trying to run this from another system? [01:43] i read an interview in a recent book and they mentioned a famous dead computer scientist whose obsolete workstation was reproduced in an emulator, and they said the Internet is getting fast enough that it would make sense to distribute virtual machine images instead of plain source code, so you get the entire environment [01:43] cupcake2, ^^ [01:43] it made me afraid [01:43] if you installpkg all the a/* stuff, you'll have /etc/passwd and shadow (they just won't contain your local users. But you're only going to use the chroot end as root...) [01:43] alisonken1home, Mine is 64bit. 64bit installation program may have a problem. [01:43] alisonken1home: :) good morning [01:43] Kowalczyk, yo :) [01:43] alisonken1home, It's 13.1 64bit. [01:44] cupcake2: from a burned disk? [01:44] Urchlay: me? [01:44] I checked it was valid by doing gnupg and md5 [01:44] Cann0n: yah [01:44] cupcake2, slackware installation is bash scripts - just like the package manager [01:44] Urchlay: i need /etc/passwd and shadow for the chroot? [01:44] we like the package manger :) [01:44] shonudo : I mounted /dev/sda3 as ntfs and mounted an iso in /dev/sda3 as iso9660 on /setupdisk. [01:44] manager [01:44] cupcake2, what is the actual line that you used to try installing those packages? [01:44] Cann0n: do NOT forget the ROOT= part of the command, or else you'll hose your 64-bit system by "upgrading" bits of it to 32-bit [01:45] alisonken1home, I didn't type a command line except "setup". [01:45] "Yeah, you need a suse VM to run mono, a RHEL VM to run Java, and an Ubuntu VM to run Firefox with the latest video codecs, and a Gentoo VM to build the crazy stuff that rails became." [01:45] Cann0n: yeah, but you'll have them (they're in aaa_base probly) [01:45] After typing setup, it was ncurses. [01:45] or maybe the etc package [01:45] alisonken1home, do you mean full, menu, etc? [01:45] pi31416: ouch [01:45] I chose full. [01:45] Urchlay: is there a quick and dirty howto guide for this? [01:45] I chose all packages and chose full. [01:45] what did you select for source? [01:46] i just got confused as hell with the last 3 minutes of cross chatter [01:46] alisonken1home, The ISO I mounted on /setupdisk [01:46] that would suck, pi31416 [01:46] Cann0n: not that I know of, but then I haven't looked for such a thing (figured out how to do this the hard way, 8 or 10 years ago...) [01:46] cupcake2: did you setup your partitions (i.e., /)? [01:46] shonudo : sure [01:46] cupcake2, ok, you can cd into /setupdisk and see the full tree there with ls? [01:46] Urchlay: yeah, i've been putting it off for about a year now, learning how to chroot [01:46] or ls -r [01:46] alisonken1home, I checked it with "ls", and it was fine. [01:46] ls -R [01:46] i still don't get it. [01:47] Cann0n: it's not so difficult, and it's insanely useful for some stuff, worth learning [01:47] alisonken1home, If you don't believe me, you can ssh me. [01:47] Cann0n: think of chroot like mounting your root filesystem [01:47] cupcake2, what does the log show? [01:47] pi31416: i know what it is. i've read the man page like 10 times [01:47] alisonken1home, I don't know there was a log [01:47] setting up confuses me [01:48] everytime i've tried i failed somewhere [01:48] Cann0n: using 'ROOT=/path/to/chroot installpkg /mnt/cdrom/slackware/a/*.txz' makes it a lot easier (you end up with an installed but un-configured Slackware system) [01:48] i seem to recall it used to be tricky on some platforms because mknod was hard coded to only work in /dev or something like that [01:48] Cann0n, that's why I created a script to do those things for me so I wouldn't have to remember, but that was loooong ago :) [01:48] repeat for the other dirs (ap, d, n, l, x if you need it....) [01:49] Urchlay: thats all i need to do? [01:49] should only need a/ series to start, then install the rest after chroot [01:49] alisonken1home, BRB [01:49] Cann0n: basically. There are a few other wrinkles (e.g. getting /proc /sys /dev set up correctly inside the chroot) [01:50] i'm gonna hunt down a 32bit cd [01:50] ok - bind /proc /sys and /dev then [01:50] yah, with "mount --bind" [01:51] add some network separation and you got a jail [01:51] which is basically like a hardlink for directories (useful thing) [01:51] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [01:51] Cann0n, http://slackworld.berlios.de/2007/chroot_howto.html <-- instructions are for slack 11, but the chroot setup is the same [01:51] alright... help me thorugh this. i'm in no mood to screw my system up tonight [01:51] pi31416: anything that gets root inside a Linux chroot, can trivially break out of it. It's not real great for security purposes... [01:52] Urchlay, that is lame [01:52] I run named in a chroot environment under the premise that it is a little more secure that way [01:52] pi31416: yeah. It's why free and/or openbsd have their own jail mechanism [01:52] well, it's a *little* more secure [01:53] i thought openbsd relied on 3rd party stuff [01:53] maybe it does, I haven't looked at it in several years [01:53] Cann0n, did you get my link? [01:53] Urchlay: my slackware working directory is /home/jack/Slackware, wloud it be alright to put /home/jack/Slackware/chroot ? [01:53] sysjail or somesuch [01:53] alisonken1home: yeah thanks [01:54] no - chroot is the command to make the home/jack/Slackware as your root for the 32-bit stuff [01:54] pi31416: if named runs as a non-root user inside the chroot, and if the chroot contains nothing else but what's needed to run named (e.g. no /bin/sh), it becomes a lot harder for someone to break out of even if they exploit it [01:54] i've heard chroot/jails/zones referred to as "containers" and even "containerized virtualization" [01:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [01:54] alisonken1home: well, I was telling him to use a directory named /path/to/chroot/ too [01:54] :) [01:54] "containerized" seems like an atrocity against the english language [01:55] Urchlay: i've heard it said that it is trivial to get root once you get a non-root user [01:55] Urchlay: and then it is trivial to get out of chroot once you get root [01:55] so where the fuck do i put it? [01:55] most ize words are [01:55] Cann0n, whereever you want the chroot base directory to be [01:55] pi31416: yah, if you have a way to execute code (typically a shell script... whoops, the chroot doesn't contain /bin/sh!) [01:55] so why wont /home/jack/Slackware/chroot/ work? [01:55] Cann0n: it'll work fine [01:56] Cann0n: where you want, I Have had them in /home/chroot/ and currently /chroot/ [01:56] Cann0n: I think alisonken1home mis-read what you were asking [01:56] ok thanks [01:56] as long as the installed packages are installed as ROOT=/home/jack/Slackware/chroot , then no problem whatsoever [01:56] hrm, if I were root trying to break out of chroot, my first attempt would be /dev/kmem [01:57] pi31416: heh, maybe that doesn't exist in the chroot either (no reason it has to, unless you're running an app that actually accesses it directly) [01:57] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:57] Urchlay: root can make it exist [01:57] like I was saying, as long as you install it to where you want it to be, and remember where it is - that's why when I was playing with chroot in slamd64 days I created a script so I wouldn't have to remember all the setup commands to get into the chroot [01:57] yah [01:58] thats what i'll be doing [01:58] although the link only mentioned /dev and /proc, I think I also included /sys in there as well [01:58] for the --bind command [01:58] but. Your typical buffer-overflow exploit, you can only stuff a tiny amount of code into the stack. Say, enough to spawn /bin/sh running a tiny script... [01:59] alisonken1home: /sys either didn't exist or wasn't important in the 11.0 days [01:59] lf4 (~KJR@unaffiliated/lf4) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:59] Urchlay, correct :) [01:59] but later on it did [01:59] Urchlay, how do you get from there to bustin outa chroot? [01:59] I believe I was using slamd64 in the 12.x days and I think I remember /sys being in that one [02:00] pi31416: not saying that it would be impossible, but it might require a lot more knowledge/skill in an environment that's missing major chunks of the OS (/dev nodes, /bin/sh, most libraries, etc) [02:00] actually, you would probably get from a buffer overflow, to a shell, to a back door and THEN try to compromise the root account [02:00] http://www.bpfh.net/simes/computing/chroot-break.html [02:00] pi31416: actually, busting out of chroot, you do by writing a little program that uses the chroot() system call *without* doing a chdir() to the chroot'ed directory first... [02:01] Electro`, that is a very old article [02:01] old doesn't mean it doesn't still work [02:02] Urchlay: I looked into it once and found that it no longer worked on BSD [02:02] (not that I've tested it recently) [02:02] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] if you mean, on a BSD jail, I wouldn't expect it to... it doesn't work with regular chroot on BSD either? interesting... [02:02] jail() != chroot() [02:03] I meant with a regular chroot on BSD [02:03] I know [02:03] oh, neat [02:03] at the time it was written, it was already fixed in BSD [02:04] anyway, there will be *some* way to break out, even if it involves creating a /dev/kmem node and messing with that [02:05] but it might be not all that easy to automate [02:05] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] stuff that's hard or impossible to automate, pretty much means you eliminate the know-nothing skript kiddies who click on an Exploit! button (which is what the majority of "hackers" seem to be...) [02:06] alisonken1home, where is the installation log? [02:07] i took a database class once and they recommended listening on a non-default TCP port for security [02:07] I questioned them about it and they acted like I was an idiot [02:07] "How could it possibly not be more secure to switch away from the default port number?" [02:08] good portscanner would find it anyway [02:08] i just shrugged and let it go [02:08] they probably had that slammer worm in mind [02:08] it'd be even better to never, ever, evar put your DB servers on any net that has a route to the real internet [02:08] not a real cracker [02:09] Urchlay: hard to do [02:09] well, I did this, at a small shop that only had 1 DB server and one web server at the time: [02:09] Urchlar: many database servers are back ends for applications, which are used from personal computers, which have Internet access [02:10] web server has 2 interfaces. One interface is connected to the internet switch, the other is connected by crossover cable, directly to the DB server [02:10] eh, DBs used as backends for PC apps, shouldn't even need to listen on a TCP socket [02:11] sadly, in the PC app world, many use ODBC over TCP [02:11] anyway. Routing isn't enabled on the web server. To talk to the DB server, the web server talks to some private IP like 10.0.0.2 [02:11] in the web app world, I am with you [02:11] well that's lame [02:11] and if it is on the same server, just use a unix socket [02:12] why the *hell* would you deliberately introduce a ton of overhead + security issues like that? [02:12] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:12] Does anybody know why slackware 13.1 64bit install nothing from a mounted slackware 13.1 64bit ISO? [02:12] beats me [02:12] It installs nothing and says it's done. [02:12] i better hit the hay [02:13] or do you mean, a single networked DB server that many client PCs talk to? I guess doing that is better than a SMB share with a bunch of word/excel docs in it, that everyone tries to update at once [02:13] I'm dying of negligence. [02:14] pi31416 (~ben@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: peace [02:14] well, stop neglecting yourself then? [02:14] without knowing the exact steps you took, I can't tell you what you did wrong [02:14] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [02:15] I *can* tell you, you must have skipped a step (the installer's pretty bad about not reminding you when you forgot to do something crucial) [02:15] however, the installer doesn't have to be fancy & userfriendly, you only ever need to run it once [02:16] (at least, if you do it right, so it actually works... from then on, you upgrade to new slackware versions by hand, or using sbopkg) [02:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:20] Guys help me [02:24] cupcake2: have you checked the md5sum of the iso you downloaded? [02:24] I checked md5sum and GPG signature. [02:24] They were both good. [02:26] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-141.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [02:28] they say slackware has 600 packages and ubuntu has 10000, but is it normal that my slackware installation is 8GB and ubuntu is 4GB? [02:29] you don't have all 10000 packages installed on ubuntu [02:29] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [02:30] Ubuntu only installs the bare minimum to support the basic desktop, that's why they're still able to distribute it on a single CD [02:30] cupcake2, hmmm - trying to find a log, but it looks like any errors would have to be caught during your setup run [02:30] Arirang (~koolaid@c-98-246-182-183.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] plus, ubuntu tends to split up packages. On slackware, you have a single "bind" package. On ubuntu, you have "bind", "bind-devel", "bind-utils" (this is an example: it may be called named or isc-bind or something on ubuntu) [02:30] oh, so the saying is for the packages available you mean? cos i never really understood the term [02:30] Urchlay: They inherit that from Debian [02:30] LSD`: I know [02:30] didn't like it on debian either :) [02:31] and is anyone else's default 13.1 installation take 8GB too or did my update go wrong somewhere [02:31] Yeah, it's a massive pain for the tiny benefit you get from being able to install, say, the ssh client seperately from the server [02:31] 8GB sounds about right. It used to be closer to 6GB in the 12.x days [02:32] stu_, mine is 5.9G, but I also don't install emacs and a couple of other packages/sets [02:32] alisonken1home, thanks [02:32] stu_: did you install everything, including all the language support in kdei? (I seriously doubt you speak all 300 or however many languages it has, you could remove all of them except the languages you do actually speak) [02:32] okay cool. i kinda remember my 13 taking only 4 gigs tho, or maybe i wasn't paying attention [02:33] Urchlay, yup, just blazed through the install menu [02:33] in fact, if you only speak english, you don't need any of kdei/ at all [02:33] Urchlay, but that usually leaves out the kdei language support tho [02:33] (or if you don't plan to use KDE, of course) [02:33] stu_: 5.7Gslackware-13.1/ (full complete install) [02:33] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:34] hmm.. i wonder where the extra 3G went [02:34] well, you can always look in /var/log/packages to see whether you installed it or not [02:34] alisonken1home: interesting that yours is 5.9 with stuff left out. [02:35] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:35] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:35] BP{k}, it also includes a couple of other sbo packages, like OOo :) [02:35] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:36] fwiw, 4.86GiB for a fresh install of 32/13.1 on my server & netbook. everything except E/F/KDEI [02:37] Arirang (~koolaid@c-98-246-182-183.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [02:38] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-154.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [02:39] BP{k}, 989 packages installed based on /var/log/packages --> http://pastebin.ca/1874176 [02:39] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:40] wdyy (~yy64@123.80.111.14) joined ##slackware. [02:41] oh wait - I resinstalled 13.0 and forgot to include OO.o in this one [02:41] oh well - getting ready to upgrade to 13.1 anyway - reinstall it then [02:42] okay i don't really know how all this works but i really wanna understand it. how does slack let us 'use programs as intended by the programmers' compared to other distros? take for instance, pidgin? [02:42] 923 on server & netbook here. that's counting only those packages the installer dealt with. I also have 3 or 4 things from extra/ [02:42] /dev/root 229783852 5962616 212148812 3% / [02:42] 1088 ;) [02:42] but that is including KDEi [02:42] 520 packages on the slackware mirror - no gui stuff there [02:43] interesting - I have kdei fully installed on my home system [02:43] /dev/sda2 9767184 3153208 6613976 33% / <-- that's what the slackware mirror system is [02:44] 3.1G for a base install [02:44] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:45] oh god. [02:46] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [02:47] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [02:49] yes? [02:51] kdei is 703.6M and represents 13.1% of a full install (check out that percentage!) [02:52] i think that's neat... [02:54] can someone please help me? i have no luck getting each core's temp from sesnsors: my command is sensors | grep -A 1 'Core0' | cut -c14-21 | sed '/^$/d' [02:55] found it [02:56] between kde and kdei, they account for 28.7% of a full install [02:56] wdyy (~yy64@123.80.111.14) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:58] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:00] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [03:00] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:00] how come slacware doesn't have rc.firewall script? [03:01] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [03:01] a call mad by Pat..there are many examples on the net of those... [03:01] s/mad/made [03:01] because firewall rules are yours to create - slackware makes no assumptions on what you want to do with your box [03:02] mancha: ok... fair enough [03:03] alisonken1home: i understand that but i'm more talking about the whole processing of the 'start/stop' arguments [03:03] i see firewall rules as one thing... but the script to start/stop the iptables as another [03:03] start/stop arguments? well, you can use one of the other rc scripts as a base [03:04] alisonken1home: that's a point [03:04] I installed a new hdd and lilo wont boot [03:04] I created a script that has start/stop/rebuild options, and uses a second/third file with allow/deny ip addresses [03:04] i have to select the drive from the bios before it will boot [03:05] I think it may have more to do with my mobo than lilo [03:05] oobe, if you have to select the drive from bios - then it sounds like a bios issue, not a lilo issue [03:05] troy__ (~troy@69.172.121.108) joined ##slackware. [03:05] yea [03:05] sorry i just forget how to make my mobo do what its sposed ot [03:05] *to [03:05] zoran119, actually, it's more of a blacklist/whitelist files [03:06] of ip's [03:06] wait found it in the manual [03:07] troy (~troy@dsl-67-55-10-55.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [03:07] SmartOne_ (~chatzilla@112.135.12.63) joined ##slackware. [03:08] just generated the rc.firewall using alienbob's firewall generator... and it's intense! [03:08] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [03:08] yep [03:08] got everything working except when i compile it' it says i need gtk 2.4.0 or higher [03:08] thats glib right? [03:09] no - that's x-libs [03:09] i know what i want in terms of the rules... i can use an existing script to handle start/stop parameters... but all the other stuff i full on [03:10] ok, to get 2.4.0 or higher, i'm gonna need to install slackware/x from 13.1 32bit? [03:10] at least the /l series for gtk [03:10] it would be handy to have a samle rc.firewall there is all i'm saying (somewhere localy so that people can get a firewall up without looking around the net) [03:10] gtk is the gui widget set, so they would be in slackware/l/ [03:11] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.30.248) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [03:11] Nick change: SmartOne_ -> SmartOne [03:11] yeah but its 2.2.18 [03:11] for 12.1 [03:11] gtk+2.2.18 [03:11] gtk+-1.2.10-i486-5.txz gtk+2-2.18.9-i486-1.txz [03:11] yeah but it says i need 2.4.0 or higher [03:11] is what I have listed [03:11] 2.18.9 is higher than 2.4.x [03:12] O.o [03:12] 18 being a bigger number than 4 [03:12] and gtk-2.20 just released as well [03:12] gtk+-2.20 rather [03:12] oh ok. thats were i failed [03:12] version numbers like that, think of them as 3 separate numbers: major.minor.patchlevel [03:13] yeah [03:13] so slackware/l/gtk+2.2.18*.txz should do it [03:13] stupid mistake [03:13] yeah, i'm having to download it on dial-up [03:14] you're about to do what, install a package from 13.1 on an older system? might not be the best idea [03:14] fun [03:14] Urchlay, he's trying to chroot into a 32-bit minimal setup to compile a 32-bit program on a 64-bit system [03:14] ah, right, I remember [03:15] no fucking way i'm gonna download gtk's source on dialu.p [03:15] :) [03:15] I kinda assumed you had a 32-bit CD/DVD set handy. Downloading all the packages on dialup will take roughly forever [03:15] 5.2KB/s [03:15] that's why I make a dvd of slackware and slackware64 while I'm at the office [03:15] nice being on a backbone :) [03:15] i do, but it's 12.2 [03:16] well, a 12.2 chroot would probably give you a runnable gens-ds package (or whatever it was you were trying to build) [03:16] gtk+2-2.20.1 needs 'gobject-introspection' and 'gir-repository', more fun dependencies [03:17] I kept using my 10.2 chroot long after 12.2 was out for instance (was running slamd64, the chroot was plain slackware) [03:17] need gtk 2.4.0 or higher to compile it [03:17] what's the gtk version in 12.2? [03:17] gtk+2-2.12.12-i486-1.tgz [03:18] gtk or gtk+ [03:18] ? [03:18] 2.2.6 or some shit [03:18] thats it [03:18] 2.12 is higher than 2.4 [03:18] but 2.12 > 2.4 [03:18] gtk [03:18] would definitely not screw with gtk+2 [03:19] Axius (~fd@92.84.16.61) joined ##slackware. [03:19] eh, there's really no such thing as "gtk", it's really called "gtk+" and us lazy typists just don't type the plus sign [03:19] well then... [03:19] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:19] Cannon are you sure you need to? [03:19] because chances are high you'll f*ck things up [03:20] I've got a mirror that has slackware back to 7.1 - actually, there's a slackware-3.3 there as well [03:20] yeah it's gtk+ [03:20] my bad [03:20] Does anyone know where I can find the libdirac package? I need it to build ffmpeg [03:20] i'd use schroedinger and not dirac [03:20] configure: error: *** GTK+ version 2.4.0 or later not found! [03:20] your gtk+-2.12 package should be enough for a program that wants 2.4 or higher. If it's griping about not being able to compile a gtk+ test program, you're probably missing some library that gtk+ requires [03:20] Cann0n, what are you trying to compile? [03:20] can you pastebin the contents of your config.log? [03:20] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:20] matt0, did you look on slackbuilds.org ? [03:21] mancha, I have schroedinger installed [03:21] mancha: gens-gs-r7 in a 32bit chroot blah blah [03:21] matt0 so thats a dirac drop-in replacement, why do you want dirac? [03:21] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:21] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-154.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:21] Because ffmpeg wants dirac /shrug [03:21] Cann0n: pastebin.ca, show us the config.log [03:21] um no [03:21] matt0, you can find libdirac on slackbuilds.org [03:22] matt0: you can probably get rid of the --enable-dirac line in the slackbuild, and you'll never miss it [03:22] onfigure:17716: error: *** GTK+ version 2.4.0 or later not found! [03:22] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:22] (depending on what you're using ffmpeg for) [03:22] just don't use "--enable-dirac" [03:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:23] if it's for playing/transcoding movies and tv shows, you'll probably never need dirac [03:23] Cann0n, sounds like it's not finding the /usr/lib/pkgconfig setup [03:23] yeah i guess so [03:23] I see, thanks [03:23] Cann0n: the whole config.log, on www.pastebin.ca? [03:23] not the output from running ./configure, I mean the actual config.log that got created [03:23] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:24] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [03:24] like i said, schroedinger is a drop-in, doesn't ffmpeg pick it up? [03:24] i know mplayer does...i thought ffmpeg did too [03:24] http://pastebin.ca/1874190 [03:25] does it mimic dirac, right down to having a /usr/lib/libdirac.so or whatever? if not, eh, it won't magically work [03:25] Cann0n: OK, looking... [03:25] Urch ffmpeg has --enable-libschroedinger [03:25] which makes it use that for dirac compression/decompresson [03:26] benchmarks consistently have schroedinger outperform dirac-research, too. [03:26] right, the guy asking the question, doesn't seem like he knows enough to figure that out on his own [03:26] conftest.c:29:21: error: gtk/gtk.h: No such file or directory [03:26] Cann0n: # [03:26] hmmm [03:26] do you not have /usr/include/gtk/gtk.h? [03:27] these issues are not gkt+2 version problems, it's a deeper issue... [03:27] as Urch and others have said, 12>4 [03:27] oh, my bad, it's /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h (are you missing /usr/lib/pkgconfig/gtk+-2.0.pc [03:28] so, i need to install more stuff? [03:28] basically, the .pc file tells the configure script where to look to find that gtk/gtk.h file [03:28] reinstall your own gkt+2 again [03:28] i think you fucked it up [03:28] i did [03:28] how could i have fuckedi it up if i JUST set up a chroot and installed it [03:29] oh doing this in a chroot? do you hhave all the needed libs? do you have pkgconfig there for example? [03:29] Cann0n: did you forget to install the x/ stuff? 'cause a few lines earlier: # [03:29] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [03:29] Package x11 was not found in the pkg-config search path [03:29] the autotools? etc etc lots can go wrong. but 12 is a bigger nnumber than 4 so that's not your problem [03:29] hey all [03:29] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [03:29] yeah, im pretty sure i installed everything but kde [03:30] if you really don't have the libraries/headers for x11, you won't be able to compile gtk apps even after you solve the gtk/gtk.h problem [03:30] say has any compiled their own kernel, something different the n 33.4, in 13.1 and got it running in framebuffer mode [03:30] xsamurai (~munki@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:31] I'm playing with mainline and when the kernel boots I get brackets appearing on the far left of the text [ [03:31] mainlining heroin is not a game! [03:31] (sorry, dumb joke I know) [03:31] I don't know why the brackets appear and can't seem to find anything about it on Google... [03:31] Urchlay: did i miss something i was suppose to do? i mount -bind sys, proc, and /mnt/SlackDVD to the chroot [03:31] then installed everything [03:32] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [03:32] well, inside the chroot, do you have /usr/lib/pkgconfig, and if so, is it populated with lots of files named *.pc? [03:33] matt0 (~matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) joined ##slackware. [03:33] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:33] matt0 (matt0@60-241-58-23.tpgi.com.au) left ##slackware. [03:33] yeah it's there Urchlay [03:33] hm. [03:33] and there's a gtk+-2.0.pc in there? [03:34] and an x11.pc? [03:34] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.2.190) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:34] yep [03:34] nope [03:34] x11.pc not there [03:34] and that's a major problem [03:34] hmm [03:35] you need whatever package that comes from... which is... libX11 from the x/ series [03:35] (the ... represents time spent waiting for a grep command to finish) [03:36] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.65.97) joined ##slackware. [03:36] and if you were missing that, you're likely missing a few other vital libraries in x/ [03:36] easiest thing to do would be to install all of x/ in the chroot, if you can afford the disk space [03:36] doug- (~quassel@109.70.68.174) joined ##slackware. [03:36] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:37] so anyone good with framebuffer issues on boot up? [03:38] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:39] how do you scan on wlan0 for APs? [03:39] man iwlist [03:41] Urchlay: yeah, i'm reinstalling it all again [03:41] how do i undo a mount -bind error? [03:41] just unmount the dvd? [03:42] Xgates, might ask during the other 12 hours of the day - I seem to remember someone during my day time that had framebuffer experience [03:42] umount ? [03:42] Cann0n, ^^ [03:42] hehe ok [03:42] Cann0n, what kind of -bind error? [03:43] mount -bind /media/SlackDVD /home/jack/Slackware/chroot32/mnt [03:43] Action: Cann0n facepalms [03:43] try umount /media/SlackDVD [03:44] busy [03:45] you do have to make sure that all processes are no longer in the chroot32 area before the umount will work [03:45] and nothing is in /media/SlackDVD too [03:46] sayshey... [03:46] (processes, chroot, shell, etc...) [03:46] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:46] Cann0n: I hope you didn't accidentally install any of those 32-bit packages over the 64-bit ones on your regular system. Might want to ls /var/adm/packages/*-i486-* [03:46] how come when i 'su' it now says root@sbchroot? [03:46] what did it say before? [03:46] umount /home/jack/Slackware/chroot32/mnt [03:47] bash: /var/adm/packages/*-i486-*: No such file or directory [03:47] you need to unmount the mount not the device [03:47] Cann0n, what does "cat /home/jack/Slackware/chroot32/etc/HOSTNAME say ? [03:47] Cann0n: ok, that's good [03:47] alisonken1home: darkstar.example.ne [03:48] Urchlay: i,m sure i didn't screw up my 64bit native [03:48] interesting [03:48] if you'd accidentally installed the 32-bit x/ packages in your real system instead of the chroot, you'd be in for a nasty shock :) [03:48] Cann0n, hmm - what does your cli show before you chroot? [03:48] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [03:49] Urchlay: yeah, lets hope when i restart i can still get back to my cli [03:49] the etc/HOSTNAME in the chroot is irrelevant (it'd only get read if he ran rc.S or whichever rc.d script reads it at boot time) [03:49] j0z (~UNIX@201.22.22.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [03:49] j0z (~UNIX@201.22.22.229.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Changing host [03:49] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:49] alisonken1home: the same thing when i chroot [03:49] ok - then what's the question? [03:50] if root@sbchroot is your normal prompt? [03:50] hell no it's not my normal prompt [03:51] hm. Wonder how you managed that... [03:51] i think it had something to do with SBChroot script [03:51] ah [03:51] i was toying with earlier [03:51] ok - time for me to get some sleep [03:51] I didn't really read that script [03:51] alisonken1home: thanks for the help [03:51] night, alisonken1home [03:51] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:51] Urchlay: yeah, i think it's a waste of time script. [03:52] not to mention it seems like it messed me up [03:52] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [03:52] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [03:52] well, didn't someone say the script was made for slackware 11? [03:52] might not be all that useful these days [03:52] eh, beats me. BP{k} suggested it [03:52] I think that was one of the reasons I just took down the steps and made my own script [03:52] i edited for my system [03:53] nite [03:53] night [03:53] nacht [03:53] eh, or nacho, whichever [03:53] man... [03:53] heh [03:53] (wish I had something to eat these nacho chips with, ran out of salsa) [03:54] i wish my PS1 wasn't changed [03:54] so change it back [03:54] i dunno how.... [03:54] I bet if you just run "exec bash -login" (not while in the chroot), it'll fix it [03:54] nope [03:54] hm [03:54] it's like im perma chroot [03:55] how do i leave a chroot? [03:55] strankan (~strankan@c-23cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [03:55] exit? [03:55] yah [03:55] or logout, or control-D [03:55] strankan (strankan@c-23cf70d5.182-2-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left ##slackware. [03:55] nope [03:55] (do it one too many times and you lose your terminal window, or log yourself out of the console) [03:55] nada [03:55] hm, how do i move multiple different name files with mv? [03:56] Urchlay: i'm gonna restart [03:56] stu as in file1->new1 file2->new2 etc? [03:56] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [03:56] mv doesn't take multiple arguments so you need to script it [03:56] oh, okay [03:57] it does take multiple arguments, but not the way he's probably thinking [03:57] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:57] the one exception is globbing for a change of path, say mv *.txt mytextfile/ [03:57] i was thinking i could do it with a comma, lol [03:57] mv foo bar baz blargh # will move foo, bar, and baz, to blargh, assuming blargh already exists and is a directory [03:57] like video1.avi, pic2.jpg, text3.txt > /newdir [03:57] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [03:57] that works no commas needed [03:57] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [03:58] no > needed either [03:58] mv vlide1.avi pic2.jp text3.txt newdir/ [03:58] oh okay i didn't know that, thanks [03:58] if you're wanting to rename all the *.txt files to *.old, or something like that, you don't use mv, you use rename [03:58] rename .txt .old *.txt # example [03:58] what vga should i set in lilo.conf? i have vga=70 for 1024*864*32bit but it won't work (did lilo -v also) [03:59] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [03:59] it's still all fuckard up [03:59] Cann0n: you didn't hose anything I take it? [03:59] what, that silly script messed up your /etc/HOSTNAME or something? [04:00] i tracked back my steps and dug into this script [04:00] prompt= blah bloh [04:01] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [04:01] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:02] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:02] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-081.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [04:03] it toyed with my /etc/profile [04:03] i don't like that [04:04] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [04:06] idunno. Urchlay thanks for your help [04:07] i'll pick this up tomorrow. it's getting TOO late [04:07] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:07] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:09] rworkman: ping [04:11] mancha: pong [04:12] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:12] rworkman: :) good morning [04:12] did you happen to catch our earlier chat where we talked about xf86-input-mutouch [04:12] the 13.1 version borks on compile so it didn't make it into the suite of packages... [04:13] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [04:15] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Kowalczyk: ideally, yes :) [04:16] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:16] hah [04:16] mancha: I didn't. evdev is recommended anyway [04:17] Growl (~Growl@109.105.162.138) joined ##slackware. [04:17] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [04:17] rwork, *nod* it is not me who was trying to use it. but since it is not blacklisted and in fact the intention is for it to be there, i thought i'd report that it isn't :) [04:19] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [04:19] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D4B5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [04:20] If nobody who needs it complains, then I suspect it's gone :) [04:20] Upstream says that evdev shoudl be used. [04:21] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [04:21] a) someone did complain on here that's how i found out about this and b) if slack is dropping it you should blacklist it from the xorg suite and remove the source file in the x dir so it doesn't look like it's gone cause of a screw up :) [04:23] Fair enough. If nothing's changed by the time next -current gets going good, poke me again :) [04:25] apparently, upstream has fixed this in git (xf86-input-mutouch [04:26] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [04:30] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:31] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] Arirang (~koolaid@c-98-246-182-183.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:32] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:32] I tried to install 13.1 from DVD, and twice when it was loading huge.s, after a two loading dots showed up, it just did nothing for two or three minutes. Is that too long? [04:33] (nm the 'a' in that sentence) [04:33] any recommendations for p2p in slack? [04:33] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [04:33] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [04:35] maybe it was just my DVD... is there any way to verify its md5 sum now that the DVD has been written? [04:35] Nick change: wertik_rus -> wertik_rus|shp [04:36] md5sum /dev/dvd [04:36] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D4B5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [04:37] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [04:37] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:37] shadeslayer (~shadeslay@unaffiliated/shadeslayer) joined ##slackware. [04:38] thanks, mancha [04:38] blaines (~blaines@ip68-106-24-21.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [04:39] np [04:39] hi,is there a usb bootable iso for slackware [04:40] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.208) joined ##slackware. [04:40] if there is a way to write an ISO to a usb device, it should boot [04:41] dchmelik: well.. theres dd [04:41] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [04:41] slackware can make usb emergency boot devices so it should be able to make one for installation [04:43] dchmelik: ok,and what about the installer? does slack have a gui installer or CLI installer? [04:44] a GUI made of CLIs [04:44] dchmelik: ah like the one arch has? [04:44] I mean a GUI made of lines [04:44] dchmelik: yes,arch has the same thing.. [04:44] I have not used Arch [04:44] dchmelik: and what about kde packages? does slack have svn builds? [04:45] and how often are they updated? [04:45] there is always a 'current' version of Slackware [04:45] I do not know how often KDE is updated in that [04:46] ok.. [04:46] dchmelik: do i need to download all 6 cd's of slack? [04:47] no [04:47] just the installation ones, which I think are three [04:47] dchmelik: which one for a kde install ? [04:48] in that case you need 1 - 3, otherwise you may not need 2 or 3 [04:48] you can also get the DVD [04:48] dchmelik: hmm.. i dont want to download the dvd.. too big and i cant write to a usb disk.. :P [04:49] only have a 2 GB usb disk :P [04:50] zarock (zarock@gwarestrin.adm.toile-libre.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [04:50] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [04:54] has anyone already cross-compiled Qt? slackware or not [04:56] troy__ (~troy@69.172.121.108) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [04:56] Nick change: e01_ -> e01 [04:58] stu_ (~stuart@115.135.94.56) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:00] When i tried to md5sum my DVD, I got an I/O error [05:00] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [05:01] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [05:03] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [05:03] Morning. [05:04] any recommendations for p2p in slack? [05:04] Hm people still use p2p? [05:05] don't all those stories end with the police knocking on your door? [05:05] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:05] Indeedy. [05:05] Action: riza hides. [05:06] Azeotrope (1000@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:06] well, thanks for nothing. [05:06] frostwire works for me [05:07] thanks [05:07] alphageek (rooot@76-10-142-34.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:07] it's on SBo, as well [05:10] Maybe I'm just slow. [05:10] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.208) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [05:11] What should I put in .muttrc to see the newest messages? [05:12] ? [05:12] you just scroll down, they're all there [05:13] depending on your mutt version you can set sort=date-received or summit to have them newest to oldest... [05:16] Do you guys ever use hard linking? [05:16] yep [05:16] try "set sort=reverse-date-received" this might be what you enjoy more... [05:16] i have always liked old->new though [05:18] mario (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:19] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [05:20] mancha: How to activate old/new? [05:20] I can't imagine much use for hard linking honestly. I am reading this text from my class and it says hard linking has many disadvantages. [05:20] you can make an "old" message new with "N" [05:20] a new message old by clicking it [05:21] alphageek (rooot@69-196-140-101.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [05:22] mancha: thanks [05:23] riza: i hard linked (cp -al) -current to 13.1 at release time on my mirror [05:23] shadesla1er (~shadeslay@122.163.113.87) joined ##slackware. [05:23] shadeslayer (~shadeslay@unaffiliated/shadeslayer) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:23] NeanT (~me@188.27.115.220) joined ##slackware. [05:23] Hm.. [05:23] Axius, no [05:23] er, "np" [05:24] riza: also, hard linking came in handy for me on a work project where I wasn't sure how to organize a bunch of files that were to be shared among people and presented under various different names on a webserver [05:24] riza: but i had to keep close track of all those inodes and names [05:24] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [05:25] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:25] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [05:25] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.69) joined ##slackware. [05:25] Ya that was one of the disadvantage. [05:25] i just generated a .csv and tracked 'em on a spreadsheet [05:26] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:26] slackytude|foo (~slacky@g228008034.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [05:26] symlinks wouldn't have been much better in that case [05:26] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [05:27] Hm. [05:27] Modifying the hard link changes the original file too but.. if you delete the original file, hard link stays.. so what is the difference between hard linking and copy? [05:27] copy duplicates an inode [05:28] ie, it makes another [05:28] Ah! I should read more about inodes. [05:28] mateus (~mateus@187.64.42.110) joined ##slackware. [05:28] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D4B5.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:28] ls -i to see 'em in action [05:29] Ooh. [05:29] Nick change: shadesla1er -> shadeslayer [05:29] shadeslayer (~shadeslay@122.163.113.87) left irc: Changing host [05:29] shadeslayer (~shadeslay@unaffiliated/shadeslayer) joined ##slackware. [05:29] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:30] riza: http://www.fieldses.org/~bfields/kernel/vfs.txt [05:31] anybody here got Awesome 3 working ? [05:31] Dentries... that's a new word. [05:31] riza: and a good one to know :) [05:32] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:32] I typed in dentries in google and the link you gave me is the first link there. It had to be a very rarely used word. :D [05:35] jdetring (~jay@70.234.185.217) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [05:36] riza: i hope it makes the concept clearer -- that directory entries are themselves the mappings of names --> inodes and directories are just a special file type [05:38] That is clear to me now. [05:38] Thank you trhodes. [05:40] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.69) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:40] sure thing, another command to look at is "stat" from coreutils [05:40] Interesting, I've seen it used but never thought to man it. [05:42] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.93) joined ##slackware. [05:44] trhodes, this text warns me about hard links and using emacs. I use emacs. I assume this is one reason in the holy war of text editor that emacs is no good? [05:44] shadeslayer (shadeslay@unaffiliated/shadeslayer) left ##slackware. [05:45] It says that if I use emacs to edit, it changes the file by creating a new file (~ for backup) which results in the destruction of the hard link presumably because of the changes in inode. [05:45] probably applies to many editors [05:45] and no doubt, their behavior can be changed to be appropriate as well [05:46] gah, i forget now, but I had a problem with vim anbd backup files a while back [05:46] *and [05:46] maybe crontab -e using vim [05:47] i'm not sure what they mean in that text exactly, though [05:47] I'll copy and paste. [05:47] "When using emacs you have to be careful. Emacs will save the old file as a backup (tilde file) and create a new file for the changes. As a result, your hard links could be destroyed if you aren't careful." [05:48] jdetring (~jay@71.153.132.31) joined ##slackware. [05:48] The reason why it mentioned emacs is because it teaches the class to use emacs. vi is also taught but apparently emacs is preferred. [05:48] i bet you can change that behavior, though [05:48] hey, if i set up fstab to mount my external usb drive, what happens if the drive is not there when the machine boots? [05:48] Hm, to not produce the backup file. True. [05:48] will it just fail silently? [05:49] without hanging too much? [05:49] zoran119: yeah [05:49] Nothing, it just fails silently. [05:49] Or ignores if not mounted. [05:49] You have it automount, it'll just probably display one line error, nothing big. [05:49] cool [05:49] you'll get errors from mount at boot time, but they're not (hopefully) fatal to the boot process [05:50] If I only have hd* drives in /etc/fstab, is it safe to just assume that hda -> sda and hdb -> sdb? [05:50] for the upgrade to 13.1 [05:50] if i do mount it under /media for example, will kde just ignore it or will it try and mount it again? [05:50] hmm, not real sure on that, SiegeX [05:50] SiegeX: for my thinkpad, they changed [05:51] SiegeX: i guess it just depends on how libata's libpata support treats them [05:51] s/libpata/pata/ [05:52] SiegeX: no [05:52] trhodes: so did you do something like: /dev/hda1 -> /dev/disk/by-id/ata-ST3120026A_5JS5HXV8-part1 ? [05:52] and then switch it to the sd# after the reboot? [05:52] SiegeX: no, i just found at boot time they were renamed :/ [05:52] SiegeX: without changing hardware, the 3 hds in my server went from hda/hde/hdg to sda/sdb/sdc [05:53] hmm. ok ill use the by-id method then just to be safe [05:53] sounds good :) i didn't have problems [05:53] or mount by uuid [05:54] christian_d (~christian@gssn-4d007cc1.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] hi [05:54] trhodes, can you imagine more than 2-3 hard links to one file? [05:55] Axius (~fd@92.84.16.61) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:55] riza: yeah, did that by hand on that project i mentioned [05:56] several people wanted the same (enormous) file under different naming schemes under different directores [05:56] and i needed to use my own scheme to keep things organized [05:57] trhodes, wow, how many hard links? [05:57] And what's the point though? One modification to the file changes all the hard links and the original. [05:57] riza: not sure, maybe up to as many people as were on that project, maybe a dozen [05:57] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88978.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:58] riza: they were read-only for that purpose (sharing over the 'net) [05:59] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88E89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [05:59] Ooh. [05:59] Nice. [05:59] symlinks would have worked, too [06:00] i just thought it would have been harder to manage all the links [06:01] I prefer symlink right now. [06:01] Seems easier and more intuitive. [06:01] _Strykar (~wakka@122.169.85.148) joined ##slackware. [06:03] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.20.71) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:03] hmm, now the interesting part is what sd* do I use for the initrd [06:03] zoran119: i think kde will see it's mounted and not try again, but i'm not sure on that [06:03] the changes-and-hints.txt says it needs to be an sd* [06:04] actually, if i use huge and don't have raid or anything funky like that, I shouldn't need an initrd, ya? [06:04] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] yeah [06:04] the libata documentation left me more confused than I began with [06:05] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:05] you might be able to tell by your hardware and the driver that will get used what the names will be [06:06] trial-and-error seems easier at that point (unless you don't have physical access or something) [06:06] not sure why I cant use the 'by-id' in lilo.conf for the first reboot [06:06] just like i did with fstab [06:06] rather than have to override it with the append [06:07] Action: SiegeX tries [06:07] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [06:07] assuming you're not going to be changing your hardware every other day, there's a simple way to figure out which device is which [06:08] fdisk -l [06:08] doesn't help pre-reboot though [06:09] /dev entries would not exist without the kernel, no ? [06:09] true, but setting up an initrd isn't something you do pre-reboot [06:09] Action: alphageek phrased that badly. oh well [06:09] Alright, I am going to get some rest. Thank you trhodes. [06:09] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [06:09] alphageek: acording to changes-and-hints.txt it is [06:10] zoran119 (~zoran@ppp59-167-170-46.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:10] I think I'm getting tangled up on words here. no surprise as I'm not paying full attention [06:10] I assume this is a fresh install? [06:11] boot from the huge kernel of your choice, login, run /usr/share/mkinitrd/mkinitrd_command_generator.sh [06:12] that will generate the commandline necessary to generate an initrd. aka: it won't generate the initrd itself [06:15] i'm still on the huge kernel, next thunderstorm/power outage ought to change that, though [06:17] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. 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[06:32] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:39] kloeri (~kloeri@freenode/staff/exherbo.kloeri) joined ##slackware. [06:41] fredoslack (~fredoslac@APoitiers-257-1-134-107.w90-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Quitte [06:42] alisonken1home, I burned a DVD and am installing from it. [06:44] It's really quiet here [06:44] Oh my [06:45] Our time zones are very different. [06:45] yes [06:45] It's about 4am in somebody else's timezone. [06:45] here it is 12:43, lunchtime :-) [06:46] 16:43 :) [06:46] Is it not difficult to solve dependencies manually? [06:46] if you know them well :) [06:46] I solved dependencies manually once when I compiled linux GIMP plugins on windows. [06:47] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [06:47] It was way difficult because I didn't know them well. [06:47] Anyway I succeeded [06:47] btw, i don't use slackware as a desktop-distro. but i use it quiet successfully as a server [06:47] good :) [06:47] Lexus45 : what kind of server do you use it as? [06:47] grazymax (~grazymax@host246-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:48] if a dependency is missing and you start the application from a terminal you will get an error like "libtk8.5.so not found", so you have to install tk in this case [06:48] router: nat, shaping. Proxy: squid. FTP - proftpd. small web server - apache [06:48] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [06:48] I want to use it as a "screen" server which holds an IRC client. [06:48] there are also some tools for dependency checking [06:49] depfinder for example [06:49] used by salix [06:49] marienz (marienz@freenode/staff/marienz) joined ##slackware. [06:49] cupcake2, there are terminal irc-clients, you may try them [06:49] irssi, bitchx, epic :) [06:50] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.93) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:50] I tried to install slackware 13.1 64bit from a mounted ISO image on NTFS but setup didn't even install a single package from it and said the setup was done. [06:50] niez (~niez@chello089073039169.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:50] Now I am installing from a burned DVD. [06:50] :) [06:50] I tried to make the mounted ISO recognized by setup. [06:50] Action: Lexus45 is going to have a cup of tea [06:50] It succeeded in recognizing. [06:51] It failed in installing a software from it. [06:51] It was something like [06:51] mount -t ntfs /dev/sda3 /data0 [06:51] mount -t iso9660 -o loop /data0/path/to/slackware-13.1.iso /cdrom0 [06:51] and... where did you attempt to install from ? [06:51] I could see the content in /cdrom0 [06:52] I specified the source to be /cdrom0. [06:52] setup succeessfully retrieved the list of categories from /cdrom0 [06:52] what did you boot to do the install ? you can't seriously mean you tried to run the setup from inside a running Linux [06:52] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [06:52] adaptr : I made a booting USB. [06:52] aha [06:53] dd if=/path/to/usbboot.img of=/dev/sdb1 bs=512; sync [06:53] I made with the above command. [06:53] usbboot.img is from slackware-13.1.iso [06:53] did you give the source properly ? i.e. /crdom0/slackware64 [06:53] I'm angry that setup can intall from a DVD. [06:53] yes [06:54] I installed from that DVD , it works fine [06:54] Specifying the source as /cdrom0 made setup automatically find /cdrom0/slackware64 [06:54] I could browse through /cdrom0/slackware64 and skimmed the list of packages by ls *.txz [06:55] oops wrong usage of the past tense. [06:55] skimmed -> skim [06:56] How come "setup" installs from a DVD while refusing to install from a mounted ISO? [06:56] something wrong with the iso maybe? [06:57] no [06:57] The ISO showed a good signature with gpg check and md5sum check. [06:58] Plus, I just installed from a DVD burned with the ISO. [06:58] maybe burned against the ISO? [06:58] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [06:58] slackware setup wants to install LILO. [06:58] christian_d (~christian@gssn-4d007cc1.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [06:59] And I don't like LILO [06:59] Can't I install GRUB instead? [06:59] LILO has been discontinued for years. [06:59] Why do I use it now? [06:59] SiegeX- (219@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:59] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:59] Does slackware DVD have GRUB? [07:00] clavius (James@166.sub-75-216-17.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [07:00] its in extra [07:02] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.93) joined ##slackware. [07:03] Kowalczyk, So is it installed by default? [07:03] I installed the full packages. [07:03] no, stuff in /extra is not installed by default [07:03] Nope. Nothing in extra/ is installed by default, that's why it's extra. [07:03] clavius3 (James@229.sub-75-254-64.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:04] same for /testing ^-^ [07:04] `oobe` (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:04] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [07:04] Point minus one for slackware. [07:04] Slackware developers don't use GRUB. [07:04] hello mortals [07:05] tusk (~tusk@cust.static.213-200-235-213.cybernet.ch) joined ##slackware. [07:05] They should use it as the default [07:05] grazymax (~grazymax@87.13.234.53) joined ##slackware. [07:07] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [07:08] SiegeX- (219@c-76-102-150-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:08] Plus one for slackware 13.1 64bit, It uses 2.6.24 which doesn't stop with KMS running on my computer. [07:08] I'll make sure to note your opinion to Pat. [07:08] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [07:08] jkwood, mine? [07:09] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:10] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539] [07:10] niez (~niez@chello089073039169.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:10] Yup. [07:11] jkwood, thanks. Please consider moving GRUB to mainline(not mainline kernel). [07:11] niez (~niez@chello089073039169.chello.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:12] It would be better if users have a choice between LILO and GRUB. [07:12] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:13] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:13] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFFBC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:14] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [07:14] anyone might know what's causing this: [07:14] http://pastebin.com/6s42Ur5q [07:15] cupcake2: slackware64 13.1 using 2.6.24 ? [07:15] grazymax (~grazymax@87.13.234.53) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [07:16] yes [07:16] Nigromante : It said it uses 2.6.24 [07:17] 2.6.22 was a bad choice for old radeon graphic card owners. [07:17] niez (~niez@chello089073039169.chello.pl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:17] Xgates, hmm - would probably need more info - and since is looks like it's a swapper issue, might want to bring it up to the kernel devs [07:18] I thought it used 2.6.33.4, cupcake2 [07:18] Fenix-Dark (~scott@ool-44c5f1eb.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: This computer has gone to sleep [07:18] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: brb [07:19] cupcake2: grub is unmaintained too and keeping lilo working needs less patching [07:19] alisonken1home: I don't know if it's me, something I did when compiling 2.6.31.13 or a bug [07:20] 2.6.24? roflmaocopter =) [07:20] hmm- I see kernel-source-2.6.33.4-noarch-1.txz - which tells me 13.1 does not have 2.6.24 installed [07:20] alisonken1home: nah, you don't know anything obviously [07:20] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [07:20] and 13.0 was using 2.6.19 =) [07:21] :) [07:21] anyone tried slackware on asus eee 1005pe? [07:21] gah, qt trying to use X on windows, sounds wrong [07:21] ppkrut : how about grub2? [07:21] Xgates, yeah - might want to hit up the kernel guys on that one [07:21] Kowalczyk: having problem with it or only checking for compat? [07:21] checking the compat [07:21] im thinking about buying one [07:22] GRUB2 has been updated recently [07:22] well heck I just want to get a kernel compiled that isn't giving me problems [07:22] cupcake2: different piece of software, not ready yet [07:22] damm 33.4 gives mtrr crap for ati vid [07:22] so was just asking if any one had any experience with it [07:22] I think at least someon has a 1005something here but can't remember who but it should work pretty well anyway [07:22] ppkrut : I also know that grub2 works slowly on many PCs, but leaving a choice between LILO, GRUB, or GRUB2 might be good [07:22] Xgates: whcih card? [07:23] 3200hd [07:23] Growl (~Growl@109.105.162.138) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [07:23] if Im not too mistaken alienBOB said he had a eee. (forgive me if Im wrong) he said his work ok [07:23] yeah, he has one but I don't know if it's the same model [07:24] cupcake2: you can already choose between lilo and grub. But as long as grub/grub2 is unmaintained/unstable, you won't see it in the main set [07:24] ppkrut : sad. [07:24] Kowalczyk: he has a 1000H [07:24] cupcake2, there are many distros with grub, why not get one of them [07:24] ok [07:24] Xgates: i noticed it gave mtrr too with nvidia card, until i installed proprietary driver [07:24] slackytude|foo : I already used most of them. [07:25] cupcake2: if you want unstable software, there a lots of other distros who don't care about that [07:25] I want to give slackware a chance [07:25] I knew it wasnt the same. he said that before 1005pe was out:D [07:25] yeah I just want to use only the x driver [07:25] for example ubuntu [07:25] ubuntu has grub2 as the default [07:25] I really want a small laptop with slackware:D [07:25] I'm coming directly from ubuntu [07:25] if you want to base a distro on it's choice of bootloader - which is only used at power on ... [07:26] :) [07:26] ppkrut : Are you a developer? [07:26] no [07:26] meego has btrfs as default file-system and is backed by intel and nokia... and ? [07:26] I thought you had a power in deciding what to put in slackware. [07:26] what gotten me to switch to slackware was: no automatic dependencies, the manual aspect of installing updates, and ofc slackbuilds;) [07:26] I love slackbuilds [07:27] cupcake2: there's only one such person ;) [07:27] the CEO? [07:27] Kowalczyk: I love Charlize Theron [07:27] slackware, the only distribution with eduke available as a package =) [07:27] the difference is I can get slackware:P h0h0 [07:27] cupcake2, the only thing anyone else other than PV can do is provide the packages - it's his choice what goes in [07:27] this looks like the problem: [07:27] http://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=125099577813939 [07:28] alisonken1home : It must be a difficult job for him because he has to choose among millions of softwares. [07:28] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:28] bah, only need to chose among good ones, that removes most of them /o\ [07:28] I like the concept of that I have to manually install updates and so on:) [07:28] actually - it's pretty easy for him. He has a stated goal for slackware, he sticks to it. [07:29] I can't believe going all the way back to 2009 this was still around and not fixed yet [07:29] err [07:29] and write a slackbuild for stuff I have to install from source [07:29] Action: Xgates looks for another kernel [07:29] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:29] if someone suggests a program to add - he compares it to the stated goal of slackware. if it doesn't meet_his_ definition of the stated goal, too bad. [07:30] has anyone tried 2.6.32.14? [07:30] and _his_ is pat? [07:30] no [07:30] Xgates: ^^ [07:30] you are, however, given the option of adding non-official slackbuilds to slackbuilds.org - if the slackbuilds.org guys like your slackbuild [07:30] Kowalczyk, yes [07:30] ok :) [07:30] the slackbuilds.org guys will accept slackbuilds, but they have to meet specific standards [07:30] alisonken1home: how long have you been using slackware? [07:31] oh - since around 1993 when it was SLS [07:31] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-145.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [07:31] oh. nice:D hehe... I've only used slackware from 13.0. have tried it before but I've been a debian / gentoo user.. [07:31] but now I will never turn back :) [07:31] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-135-177-67.range86-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:31] to slackware? :) [07:31] why?:) [07:31] yeah - fun days with kernel 0.99 and download 22 floppies [07:32] hehe:D nice:D [07:32] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-3-139.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:32] it must be difficult to download 22 floppies [07:33] when I tried slackware in 13.0 I fall in love with it right away... [07:33] :) [07:33] grazymax (~grazymax@host220-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:33] floppies are still sold, by the way [07:33] hehe [07:33] o_O [07:34] how long can a usb stick last if its constantly on? all the time? hehe.. [07:34] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:34] Kowalczyk: until you reach its maximum write cycle [07:35] Nigromante, cince I worked at a Naval research facility, I had access to a nice pipe in those days [07:35] I see [07:35] I have nslu2 with debian on it. on a 4 gb usb stick.. its been on for 223 days now.. [07:35] I don't remember is there a way to use a .config from a different version of a kernel so at least what you have on that gets loaded [07:35] it will probably wear out soon :D [07:35] I love slackware setup since it's packed with lots of configurations. [07:35] Xgates: make oldconfig [07:36] Xgates, copy .config from older kernel to /usr/src/linux, make oldconfig and go from there [07:36] Nigromante: ahhh copy the old .config into the source and run that? [07:36] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:36] alisonken1home dixit ^^ [07:36] ahhh ok thanks [07:37] I can even set console screen fonts [07:37] you are welcome [07:37] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [07:37] so alisonken1home . you used SLS then jumped over to slack when pat released that? [07:37] Can I compile grub2 and use it and have no problem in slackware 13.1 64bit? [07:38] cupcake2: im afraid at your own risk [07:38] Nigromante : It worked perfectly in ubuntu why not in slackware? [07:38] why not just use lilo? it has a awesome loading screen :) [07:38] Kowalczyk, check history - pat originally created slackware to fix the sls installation crapola, then the sls guys decided pat could have it [07:38] cupcake2: do it at your own risk :) [07:38] I love GRUB2's big screen and support for .jpg and .png background without compromising depth. [07:39] cupcake2, as noted, the "not problem" would be for you to find out [07:39] I know that.. but you jumped over to slackware? not one distro in between ?:) [07:39] im just curious [07:39] It displays 24bit colors [07:39] in worst case,i think u can use the slackware_disk to boot back your sistem [07:39] Kowalczyk, pretty much - since I was using sls and they let slackware take it over, just kept with it [07:39] That's the worst. [07:39] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:39] ok:) nice.. I should have used slackware before.. now that I see how epic it is:) hehe [07:40] I liked debian until they screwed it with lenny [07:40] :P [07:40] Kowalczyk, http://futurist.se/gldt/wp-content/uploads/gldt1005.png <-- png of linux distro timeline. look at the slackware lnie [07:41] lmao2k (~nothere@cpc4-chms1-0-0-cust224.basl.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:41] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:41] Bugz__ (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:41] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-17-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: arr! [07:41] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [07:41] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [07:41] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:42] suse started as a german localized version of slack [07:42] CygnusX1 (~CygnusX1@c-71-201-12-88.hsd1.in.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] no - suse started life as a slackware knockoff, then went their own way [07:43] that was a lot of distros:) (I dont get the meaning of so many distros) [07:43] alienBlurb (3351@connie.slackware.com) joined ##slackware. [07:43] are there any linux distro out there that isnt a fork / started as a fork?:) [07:43] because people like reinventing the wheel, Kowalczyk [07:43] hehe [07:43] the closest one is debian [07:43] I guessed so :D [07:43] no. the closet one is debian [07:43] crn_ (~crn@mail.netunix.com) joined ##slackware. [07:43] Action: jg71 chuckles [07:43] hehe.. :) [07:44] heck, theres a reason debian stable is pronounced "debian stale" [07:44] What console screen font do you recommend? there are too many I can't choose. [07:44] didnt know that SLS gave it to pat. I knew that pat used sls to make slackware [07:44] then I learned something today [07:45] cupcake2, I like the T font [07:45] Why? [07:45] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [07:45] just do :) [07:45] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:45] besides, when people see my console they have to do a double-take :) [07:46] :P [07:46] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:46] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) joined ##slackware. [07:46] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:47] alisonken1home: you show your "console" to everyone? [07:47] alisonken1home on a date: wanna come home with me and se my T fonted console :) [07:47] when they pass by my desk when I'm in console, first they freak because I was not in a gui - then they double-take on the fonts [07:48] Kowalczyk, just don't tell the wife ;) [07:48] No.... LILO is not installed just because my graphic card doesn't support VESA extension. [07:48] alisonken1home: ok:) I wont :) hehe.. [07:48] Should I remove vga=xxx from LILO conf? [07:48] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [07:48] just make it vga=normal [07:48] What does normal mean? [07:48] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.93) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:49] then you will at least have a text mode selection [07:49] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.239) joined ##slackware. [07:49] it does have a menu, but it's more of a lilo version of ncurses menu [07:50] the list of resolution and depth? [07:50] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:51] if you want lilo to ask about vga resolution, then "vga=ask" [07:51] alisonken1home: can I ask what desktop environment you are using??:) [07:51] otherwise, "vga=normal" would be normal text mode [07:51] Kowalczyk, kde [07:51] ok [07:51] ok... [07:51] default slackware [07:51] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) joined ##slackware. [07:51] slackware defaults? ha [07:51] (other than fluxbox) [07:51] I like openbox / fluxbox. never liked gnome / kde. at least not kde 4. its too much graphic for me:D [07:52] GNOME is simple enough. [07:52] when you have a supported card, it's pretty nice [07:52] grazymax (~grazymax@host220-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:52] gnome took the too-many-windows approach that I don't like [07:52] You should see the default GNOME theme of fedora 13(came out few days ago) [07:52] mateus (~mateus@187.64.42.110) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:52] ugly? [07:52] ok. I like openbox:) just a plain desktop :D [07:53] Kowalczyk, Can openbox work with compiz? [07:53] no [07:53] I love compiz [07:53] but can work with gnome :P and Kde I guess.. [07:53] XFCE is the minimum requirement for compiz [07:53] I tried gnome before it was removed from slack - not so much ugly, but gnome took minimalstic and every click on a menu popped open another window approach too far for me [07:53] I dont like compiz.. its nice to look at but nothing more [07:53] XFCE is the fastest among compositing desktop environments [07:53] Kowalczyk, actually 3d acceleration is not just for eye candy [07:54] Nice to look is why I install linux ,anyway. [07:54] no but the compiz mods are:P heheh... [07:54] haha [07:54] Kowalczyk, if you have a fast-enough computer, you may want it [07:54] hehe.,.. [07:55] I'm leaving now. clean up outside so we can grill :D [07:55] food <3 [07:56] food is always good :) [07:56] see you :) thanks for the timeline alisonken1home :) and the info about SLS :) didnt know what [07:56] np [07:56] and grilling something other than food would not be as good [07:56] Windows imposes too much load for 3D windows. [07:56] Linux doesn't [07:57] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Oh [07:58] LFS provides good manual for setting linux system [07:58] yep [07:58] Nigromante (~Nigromant@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:58] lfs is your hard-core distro [07:59] Xgates (Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left ##slackware ("Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds )"). [08:00] Guest61838 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [08:00] It also lets me know how to set console fonts [08:00] Ubuntu must have never done it [08:01] *buntu was designed to never need a console mode [08:01] at least that's their theory [08:01] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:02] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.254) joined ##slackware. [08:03] <_slax0r_> Hi, anyone have the rc.openldap script? [08:04] Guest75085 (buffer@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. [08:05] Slackware doesnt ship with an openldap server [08:06] SiegeX (219@unaffiliated/siegex) joined ##slackware. [08:06] isnt there one in /extra? [08:07] not on my irror [08:07] mirror [08:07] at least not in -current [08:08] _slax0r_, is this the client you're talking about? and which version of slackware? [08:08] <_slax0r_> 13.0, openldap-client recompiled as server [08:09] ah [08:09] grazymax (~grazymax@host37-134-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:09] <_slax0r_> got one from teh interwebz tho [08:09] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2009/10/17/openldap-in-slackware-13-0/ [08:10] raela|test (1001@cpe-67-241-18-71.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:10] hmm, im trying to run startxfce4 and I get an error on line 134 of '/etc/xfce/xdg/xfce4/xinitrc' saying 'ck-launch-session: command not found' [08:10] has anyone had terms just stop taking keyboard input? was fine last night, just woke up and I can't type in terms that I've had open [08:10] opening a new one was fine [08:11] I have seen that happen. [08:11] raela|test (1001@cpe-67-241-18-71.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [08:12] did you figure out anything about it? [08:12] I reattaching screen worked [08:12] No. I could not deduce the reason why that was happening. [08:13] bah. I guess I could reopen all the other terms.. or run everything from screen. which version did you have it in? [08:13] I had never seen it before, but I just upgraded to 13.1 a bit ago [08:13] 3 days ago [08:13] SiegeX: did you upgrade from 13.0 to 13.1 without --install-new? [08:13] slack_fish (~slack_fis@59.72.110.45) joined ##slackware. [08:14] <_slax0r_> alisonken1home: I followed that one :) [08:15] _slax0r_, first link I found on google with slackware and openldap [08:15] yes, I don't have all the packages installed. the two packages i dont have installed for xfce are 'xfce4-notifyd-0.1.0-i486-1' and 'xfce4-power-manager-0.8.5-i486-1' [08:15] you need l/ConsoleKit [08:15] <_slax0r_> alisonken1home: I googled too, but there is no rc.openldap script on that site...I googled more, and came across one, it's a rather simple script, but does it's job [08:15] at least for the error above [08:15] sahko: thanks [08:16] _slax0r_, I typically just make my own rc.script if the package doesn't haveone [08:16] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:16] in most cases, it's pretty simple [08:16] <_slax0r_> yeah...me too, but I'm feeling kinda lazy today :( [08:22] _S4MUR4I_ (~quassel@187.40.7.106) joined ##slackware. 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[08:58] Sounds suspicious [08:58] Nick change: xchg_chrrr -> xchg [08:58] Or maybe it's just my pervert's imagination [09:00] i aim for corn and i hit the gutter [09:03] Nick change: wertik_rus|shp -> wertik_rus [09:03] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D4B5.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:04] edthix (~ed@115.133.245.119) joined ##slackware. [09:04] Hello guys [09:04] after upgrade to slack 13.1: Any reason xfce / automount calls my usb flash drive "/> "? [09:07] jhw (~jhw@194.64.6.1) joined ##slackware. [09:07] Take a hit of this sweet corn and aim for gutter [09:11] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:20] grazymax (~grazymax@host112-3-dynamic.23-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:20] Razec (~razec@187.34.17.9) joined ##slackware. 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[09:47] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [09:47] ridout: it's possible to lock a term's keyboard input with ctrl+s, ctrl+q restores it (be warned, it immediately echos anything you had typed into the locked term, so there's a chance you'll spew a bunch of stuff into the term when you unlock it) google XOFF/XON [09:48] oops! [09:48] doug- (~quassel@109.70.68.174) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:48] raela: ^^ [09:49] hackedhead: happened with firefox, too, and all terms I had open.. they were sporadically responding, but mostly not [09:49] wierd [09:49] was the system like... out of RAM? [09:49] nope. resources seemed fine [09:49] wierd. [09:49] mmk then [09:50] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Administrator_ (~Administr@113.109.21.54) joined ##slackware. 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[10:02] whiskas: mlabel, but it requires configuration [10:02] pi31415, ok... [10:03] try fdisk -l /dev/ , but pi31415 option should work too [10:04] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [10:04] fdisk says: This doesn't look like a partition table [10:04] Probably you selected the wrong device. [10:04] alisonken1home, pi31415 : seems fdisk is a bit confused when reading the device... [10:04] for my main drive, it would be "fdisk -l /dev/sda" so just substitute sda for your devices [10:05] i did not know fdisk reported file system labels [10:05] alisonken1home, yeah, that's what I did [10:05] does it show in dmesg? [10:05] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [10:05] the file system labels [10:07] pi31415, I'm not able to make mlabel print any device label [10:07] pi31415, sorry, fs label [10:07] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:07] Slackware 13.1 installs linux 2.6.33.4 [10:07] indeed [10:08] pi31415, previously, under slack 13.0, it showed up on the xfce desktop with the device name (e.g. "SanDisk USB 2.0") [10:08] last time I checked :) [10:08] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [10:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [10:10] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:11] daimyo (~daimyo@c-71-199-10-216.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:12] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Max SendQ exceeded [10:14] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.123.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:20] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:20] grazymax (~grazymax@host108-156-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:21] v4nelle (~van@79.107.247.70) joined ##slackware. [10:21] helqg (~slack@188.128.27.54) joined ##slackware. [10:23] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:25] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] My slackware 13.1 64bit doesn't retrieve an IP from a DHCP server. [10:32] It fails [10:32] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.254) joined ##slackware. [10:32] There is no /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice, but I can see eth0 and wlan0 by ifconfig -a [10:32] works for me(tm) [10:32] I turned on eth0 by ifconfig eth0 up. [10:32] It is turned on. [10:32] cupcake2: run: dhcpcd [10:32] But it can't get an IP form DHCP [10:32] dhcpcd eth0 [10:33] is your network okay? everything plugged in? [10:33] if that works, you forgot to configure networking [10:33] Dominian : Isn't it automatically done by internet scripts? [10:33] cupcake2: yep, but if you negelected to tell it to use DHCP.. [10:33] cupcake2: if you set it up during setup [10:33] I set it to DHCP during setup [10:33] e01 (~e01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:33] well it works for me [10:33] However [10:34] dhcpcd eth0 works. [10:34] What's wrong with me? [10:34] cupcake2: who knows ... ;p [10:34] As I said above, there is no /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice, but I can see all my devices. [10:34] slackytude|foo (~slacky@g228008034.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:34] hotplug [10:34] cupcake2: there won't be /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice [10:34] cupcake2, you're still thinking like debian/ubuntu/some-other-distro [10:34] I also specified USE_DHCP[0]="YES" in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [10:35] alisonken1home, no... /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice isn't debian [10:35] it's not slackware either. [10:35] Is it linux? [10:35] true - but other distros use /etc/netdevice - and it hasn't translated to /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice [10:35] slackbook says there is /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice [10:36] prove it [10:36] ok [10:36] link? [10:36] http://www.slackbook.org/html/network-configuration-hardware.html ---> you'll notice that it first checks for an executable rc.netdevice file in /etc/rc.d/ [10:36] cupcake2, I had same problem before, and dhcp don't configure my interface with real IP and don't get namesrvers and default route ...., just got some random strange IP for that interface, at that time I used manual configuration and it worked fine [10:36] cupcake2 is right. [10:37] talk to Alan_Hicks it appears that the slackbook is out of date in that section [10:37] I am conforming to slackbook [10:37] what I see is "if udev doesn't detect your device, you can >create< an /etc/rc.d/rc.netdevice script" [10:37] slackbook needs an update, then. [10:37] grazymax (~grazymax@host143-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [10:38] slackbook is in the process of being updated [10:38] slackbook talks about a nonexistent file [10:38] When do I see the next edition? [10:38] no - you can create the script -it's not there by default because udev is pretty good about standard hardware [10:38] alisonken1home, ok [10:38] alisonken1home, Why isn't dhcpcd called by default scripts? [10:38] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) joined ##slackware. [10:38] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g228008034.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:38] it's part of the setup - if you don't have a nick, why start it up? [10:39] alisonken1home, wait a second, I'm transferring to my laptop. [10:39] cupcake2 (~cupcake@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:40] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:41] jonsmith1982 (~jon@92.24.247.89) joined ##slackware. [10:41] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [10:41] I'm back on slackware 13.1 [10:41] I was on windows xp machine. [10:42] ah [10:42] using xchat [10:42] alisonken1home, also xfce [10:42] good [10:42] since many people probably dont read aols http://slackworld.berlios.de/2010/robby-workman-on-slackware-13.1.html [10:42] lots of KDE applications just crash in XFCE [10:42] missing kde deps [10:42] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:43] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:43] and some kde helper programs [10:43] alisonken1home, Aren't they already satisfied during setup? [10:43] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:43] crocket, this is NOT other distro's [10:43] this is slackware [10:43] deps you handle as the administrator [10:43] saiful (~saiful@202.70.54.144) joined ##slackware. [10:43] alisonken1home, PV wants us to manually set them. [10:43] good night all [10:44] pv wants you to control your system - if an installer handles the deps, then you lose control of your system [10:44] alisonken1home, I guess I will have to use terminal emulators to get error outputs [10:44] And now, the 13 questions: 0. ... hah. [10:44] :) [10:44] alisonken1home, Isn't archlinux also about control? [10:45] I haven't used it, though. [10:45] don't know - never played with arch [10:45] gentoo is about controlling compiling options. [10:45] and whats your point? [10:45] gentoo is about installing from source so the package is optimized for your current system [10:45] I just wanted to talk [10:45] sahko: thanks for that link. :) [10:45] uhy may I convert kde packages from other distros ? :) [10:46] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:46] you can try - no guarantees that they work in slack due to unmet dependencies or different gcc and options used [10:46] paul424:why would you want to do that? [10:46] on that note - time to head out [10:47] or perharather "What are you trying to achieve" [10:47] got stuff to do at the church since the wife is not here [10:47] alisonken1home: later. [10:47] BP{k}: cause I am lazy :P no time to play with home brewing packages ... [10:47] alisonken1home, we always meet unmet dependencies in slackware. [10:47] How can I send mail with mailx? [10:48] saiful (~saiful@202.70.54.144) left irc: Client Quit [10:48] crocket, but the possible differences in gcc version and compile options can induce subtle corruptions [10:48] bye [10:48] helqg (~slack@188.128.27.54) left irc: Quit: reset [10:48] alisonken1home, leaving? [10:48] slack_ (~slack@188.128.27.54) joined ##slackware. [10:49] read up - since the wife is out of town, I have to cover for her at the church [10:49] joys of being married to a youth/education minister at the church :) [10:49] ok [10:50] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.74) joined ##slackware. [10:50] I specified USE_DHCP[0]="YES" in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf, and my eth0 doesn't use dhcpcd. What would be the reason? [10:51] I had to manually type dhcpcd eth0 to make it get an IP from DHCP server. [10:51] Axius: $ mailx -s "Your Subject" user@domain.dom [10:51] maybe you should just go back to the install disk and do the network setup wizard [10:51] crocket: use netconfig as root [10:52] or that :) [10:52] sahko : I ran netconfig as root and nothing changed. [10:52] thats the 'network setup wizzard' [10:52] Mel-nix: thanks [10:52] crocket: Check your system logs for a "Segmentation Fault". [10:52] Mel-nix, Where would the log be? [10:53] Axius: Then type out the body of the message and end with ^T . [10:53] ok [10:55] crocket: /var/log/{syslog,messages,debug} - I don't know the particular one. [10:56] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:56] Mel-nix : Is dhcpcd called only when the system boots? [10:57] crocket: For me, yes. [10:57] DURgod (~DURgod@75-134-183-31.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com) left irc: Quit: DURgod [10:57] Mel-nix : I think this is the case. eth0 and wlan0 were not enabled when I first booted. [10:57] dive (~diverse@cpc2-craw1-0-0-cust1275.croy.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] Mel-nix, I guess I need network manager applet. [10:58] Mel-nix, Ah It's for GNOME... [10:58] crocket: I had a similar problem wherein eth0 would not obtain an IP address during system startup. [10:58] Mel-nix, Now that I enabled wlan0 and eth0, there would be no problem at least for eth0. Since my wireless network requires a password, it needs a little trick. [10:59] Slackware is more weird than I thought. It doesn't enable my NICs by ifconfig xxx up. [10:59] I think it assumes we don't want to use network by default. [11:00] crocket: So I had to manually obtain an IP address using dhclient. Things have got better with the release of v. 5.2.3 of dhcpcd. [11:00] crocket: slackware doesn't have to do this, it's your job :) [11:00] you screwed something up in the install... [11:00] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [11:01] raela : do you just get an IP after booting? [11:01] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [11:01] both of my laptops on 13.1 automatically try to obtain an ip on eth0. my other laptop will then try to connect to wireless networks and get an ip [11:01] raela : what if your wireless network is protected by encription? [11:02] crocket: I have 3 networks in the config.. 2 are encrypted. the keys are in there, so it can connect to those [11:02] crocket: it is possible to encode them somehow and have wpa_supplicant decode them, but I just have plaintext since I'm the only one using my laptop [11:03] raela : If you can decode them, you have no security. [11:03] crocket: good thing I don't care about security in the first place :) [11:04] crocket: what, do you manually enter for WPA/WEP key each time? from memory? [11:04] raela : I haven't tried connecting via a wireless lan. [11:04] I guess it's time to reboot for test [11:04] See you soon [11:04] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:04] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:06] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) joined ##slackware. [11:06] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:06] qmmp is what audacious should've been, only written in qt [11:08] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [11:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:09] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:09] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:10] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.74) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:12] clavius (James@166.sub-75-216-17.myvzw.com) left irc: Changing host [11:12] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [11:15] iceheart (0@120.195.175.124) joined ##slackware. [11:15] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:15] iceheart kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using IRC as root is dangerous. Please reference "Using IRC as root" via google for further information. [11:15] sahko: interesting [11:16] very good player, and with a handful of builtin plugins [11:16] pprkut has build scripts on github [11:18] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:21] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:22] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-081.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [11:23] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:25] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:25] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [11:30] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:33] Axius (~fd@92.84.13.254) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [11:37] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [11:38] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.123.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:40] cupcake (~cupcake@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [11:40] Nick change: cupcake -> Guest20439 [11:41] Nick change: Guest20439 -> crocket [11:41] Is slackware 13.1 unable to use wireless encriptions other than WAP? [11:41] uh.. [11:41] why [11:41] i use wpa/wpa2 [11:41] I used wpa and wep [11:41] *use [11:41] it might be wpa2, not sure [11:42] crocket, you're supposed to use wpa_supplicant for the other encryptions [11:42] -> wicd [11:42] I'm confused [11:42] I use WPAPSK/TKIP [11:42] yeah, wicd uses wpa_supplicant [11:42] That's wlcd? [11:42] yeah, ok? [11:43] not ok [11:43] it's in /extras [11:43] Axelpalm (~alch@78-28-97-194.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [11:43] wicd could probably work with your network [11:43] I don't even know where to find slackware install packages. [11:44] seems you read selected slackbook chapters [11:44] the install dvd/cd.. [11:44] or mirror and go to extras/ [11:44] sahko : I only read narrow ranges of sections [11:44] raela : still no clue. [11:44] crocket, what is the make/model of your wifi? [11:44] crocket: did you install from dvd? [11:44] you can't navigate through the dvd? [11:44] yes [11:44] I installed from DVD [11:45] so mount the dvd and find the extras/ dir [11:45] Mine is Atheros [11:45] raela : I have an ISO that's mountable. [11:45] Is that it? [11:45] so do that.. [11:45] are you able to mount the dvd? [11:45] Is there no online repository? [11:45] I want online updates [11:45] ok, then do that [11:45] does slackpkg do extras/ ? [11:46] slackware/extra/wicd/ [11:46] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/extra/wicd/ [11:46] raela: of course it does [11:47] alienBOB: I've actually never used it, sorry :) intend to do it for now on for the security upgrades [11:51] echelon : Where can I see documentations about package management? slackbook doesn't say about that. [11:51] man slackpkg [11:52] ##slackware admin: you should lay on the ground and worship and beg for my mearcy right now ! [11:53] umm? [11:53] mearcy? is that food? [11:53] Axelpalm (~alch@78-28-97-194.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:55] we can but hope [11:55] there's nothing else I would be begging for [11:56] better be good food at that [11:56] yeah [11:56] crocket: Read the respective man/info pages of pkgtool(8), installpkg(8), removepkg(8), upgradepkg(8), and if needed slackpkg(8). [11:57] ok [11:57] I wonder how you guys knew about wlcd. [11:57] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [11:57] it's wicd.. not wlcd [11:57] W I C D [11:57] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [11:57] Hoogin (~hoogin@host50-128.etanet.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:57] W L C D [11:57] lol [11:57] jomo (~mich@p3EE22CBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [11:57] oh you :( [11:57] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.12.63) left irc: K-Lined [11:57] :> [11:58] crocket: I use WICD [11:58] but [11:58] you'll need the WICD version from Slackware 13.1, you have 13.1 do you? [11:58] My font doesn't discriminate between I and l very wel [11:58] yes I do [11:58] does SmartOne have some kind of brain defect ? like an online version of Tourette's or something ? [11:58] but it was a lowercase i.. [11:58] crocket: ok you have the DVD? [11:59] Roin : I have the ISO!!! [11:59] crocket: okok calm down [11:59] adaptr: I think the internet does that to some people [11:59] crocket: it's the same thing!!!oneoneeleventy [11:59] mount the ISO then and go to extra/ and install the wicd package [11:59] raela: that's not all it does..to some people... [11:59] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:59] I get that, but what I wonder is this. Where did you find out WICD? [11:59] The reason why I said you need the WICD version from 13.1 is that WICD in 13.0 had a bug which made it unable to detect WPA and WPA2 encrypted networks [12:00] crocket: it is in extra/ thats all you need to find out about it [12:00] crocket: ...because it's really popular and lots of people talk about it? [12:00] Yeah [12:00] ok [12:00] lol [12:00] You know it because you belong to a network of slackware people. [12:00] adaptr: well, everyone knows the internet is really just for porn :) [12:00] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:00] raela: no,no, I use it for serious research, really... porn research [12:01] crocket: I idle in here. anyone can do that and read, and see things such as wicd :) [12:01] adaptr: I know someone who did their honors thesis on porn [12:01] crocket: I personally found out about WICD when I joined this channel and had questions about network setup :p [12:01] I mean that WICD is in slackware extra/ [12:01] that's easy these days - just find some unwatched corner of the online porn market and note some trends [12:01] not knowing WICD in general... isnt good ^^ [12:02] adaptr: I think it was something about women and porn and what they felt about it.. I don't know [12:02] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.30.217) joined ##slackware. [12:02] yes, well, a psychology thesis isnt' really a scientific document, is it ? :P [12:02] SmartOne, how did you get k-lined [12:02] you have to ask ? [12:02] :( [12:02] of course not :P but they sure do lots of research [12:02] There is no extra in DVD. [12:03] oh [12:03] There is [12:03] he's an idiot, and behaving appropriately [12:03] I just go around and troll in freenode :P [12:03] oh ok :) [12:04] SmartOne, tell people to not donate to pdpc.. it just goes towards christel's lipo fund [12:04] what is k-lined? how to bypass that? [12:04] crocket: but, other than seeing it in here.. searching linux / slackware + wpa, or whatever, would probably help you out [12:04] SmartOne (~chatzilla@112.135.30.217) left irc: K-Lined [12:04] I had a wpa network to connect to.. so I did a google search and set up wpa_supplicant myself [12:04] SmartOne, it seems you've already bypassed it [12:04] rv2733 (~rv2733@c-98-242-168-49.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:04] http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g284/lamber214/troll-web.jpg [12:04] ah nvm [12:04] heh [12:05] I just installed wicd via pkgtool, and there is no output. [12:05] I didn't get a feedback [12:05] shigeo_ (~sericm@80-219-97-27.dclient.hispeed.ch) joined ##slackware. [12:05] man wicd [12:05] crocket: so? just do: wicd-client& [12:05] grazymax (~grazymax@host143-192-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [12:05] thats it as long as your user is in netdev group ^_^ [12:05] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:05] Is there something like dpkg -L wicd? [12:05] crocket: look.. go google how to set up wicd in slackware [12:05] I really enjoyed using "dpkg -S" and "dpkg -L" [12:06] ok [12:06] no, slackware doesn't have dpkg. if you're looking for that, use a distro that has it [12:06] crocket, http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware/extra/wicd/README.SLACKWARE [12:07] I know it doesn't have dpkg [12:07] I just want to find a counterpart for "dpkg -L" [12:07] It lists the list of files in a package. [12:07] I don't even know what dpkg -L does [12:07] ah [12:07] man slackpkg ? [12:07] What if I installed via pkgtool? [12:08] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:08] less /var/log/packages/* [12:08] Thanks [12:09] I'm tired. [12:09] see you tomorrow [12:09] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-190-149.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:09] crocket (~cupcake@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:10] shigeo (~sericm@80-219-97-27.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:10] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.112) joined ##slackware. [12:10] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:14] Razec (~razec@187.34.17.9) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:16] Kerd (~no@unaffiliated/kerd) joined ##slackware. [12:16] ariarat (~ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) joined ##slackware. [12:19] anyone with a radeon card have any issues with X under 13.1 ? [12:20] issues like this wallpaper: http://ab7.org/ss.png [12:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [12:21] hmm [12:22] toby_ (~barry@212.183.140.17) joined ##slackware. [12:22] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [12:22] Nick change: toby_ -> Guest34621 [12:24] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:26] frimer (frimer@szluug.org) joined ##slackware. [12:26] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:28] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:28] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:29] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [12:29] ang, anything off when you look in xdpyinfo | less ? [12:30] jonsmith1982 (~jon@92.24.247.89) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:30] will have to reboot to the other drive to check, but i'll jot that down [12:31] one thing i did not too tho, is that the vsync/hsync values are a bit different under 13.1 than my 10.2 (i know, it's OLD) desktop [12:32] 13.0 seems ok, so i'm just wondering if the driver in X from 13.1 changed somehow [12:32] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:32] OclkdMan (~OclkdMan@78.134.13.112) left irc: Quit: Leaving [12:35] ang, which radeon is it? [12:36] it's some generic VisonTek radeon 9250, tho lspci says it's a 9200 [12:37] 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 PRO] (rev 01) [12:38] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:39] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [12:40] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.58.127) joined ##slackware. [12:44] shigeo_ (~sericm@80-219-97-27.dclient.hispeed.ch) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [12:49] Teratogen (leontopod@intertwingled.net) joined ##slackware. [12:50] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:51] nixness (~dsc@89.211.67.154) joined ##slackware. [12:51] hey all [12:52] I've checked out the latest slackware and I'm installing it right now. I'm new to slackland, so I've a bunch of questions [12:52] hi [12:52] check out the book mentioned in the topic [12:52] (p.s. the simplicity of the system is why I'm installing it, just in case you're wondering) [12:52] yup I'm on it right now [12:52] okiez :) [12:52] but I did try to installing slack a while back [12:52] and networking was very hard to setup, wireless I mean [12:53] other distribs used to be "easier" to setup wireless on...not i said used to [12:53] ang, what's the 24bit set to,1280x1024? [12:53] any things I should watch out for, so I wouldn't give anyone (including myself) a hard time? [12:54] note i said * [12:54] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [12:57] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [12:59] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [13:00] MLanden: 1152x864 actually [13:01] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [13:01] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:02] btw when I had ubuntu on the desktop I'm installing slackware on, uname -p gave "unknown" [13:02] mcury (~mcury@189.24.22.66) joined ##slackware. [13:02] Action: nixness shoots head with a lollipop gun [13:04] Nick change: t0mm13b|ZZZzzz -> t0mm13b [13:04] since upgrading to slack 13.1, my sound card (Intel ICH7 chipset) is recognised properly. However, it's very quiet, even when volume is cranked up to max. [13:05] hitest (hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left ##slackware. [13:05] ang, do you have control over display...able to go to 1280x1024 or go down to 1024x768 [13:05] mcury (~mcury@189.24.22.66) left irc: Client Quit [13:06] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [13:06] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [13:07] Lexus45 (~alexey@95.129.162.218) joined ##slackware. [13:07] whiskas, do you have library-mode turned on? [13:08] mancha, I don't know what that means [13:08] lee_ (~lee__@ip68-101-23-17.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:08] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...."). [13:08] phoenix^ (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:08] haven't you seen all the librarians go *Shhhhhh* when things make too much noise? [13:09] whiskas, is that both master and pcm? are they both at 100% ? [13:09] MLanden, yes [13:10] MLanden, strange thing is, if I crank "Front" up, volume in Headphones goes up as well [13:11] MLanden, not optimal, but it solves the problem [13:12] _S4MUR4I_ (~quassel@187.40.7.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [13:14] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:15] Axius (~fd@92.84.9.230) joined ##slackware. [13:15] _S4MUR4I_ (~quassel@187.40.7.106) joined ##slackware. [13:15] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-190-149.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:16] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!0@* expired. [13:16] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!0@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [13:16] any users of R in here? I can't get it to install any other packages. #R had no advice [13:16] whiskas, how's the sound setup? with headphone jack to an external speaker/amplifier? [13:16] |ast| (~lilo78@186.137.23.210) joined ##slackware. [13:18] _S4MUR4I_ (~quassel@187.40.7.106) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:19] Action: adrien points at raela [13:20] hiptobecubic: I don't think I've installed anything extra to it myself.. but.. what is it saying? [13:21] raela, it pretends to install just fine, and then at the end it says "hey it wasn't installed!". hold on i'll paste errors [13:22] i had the error in 2.9.0, so i updgraded to 2.11.0, same thing [13:22] it's downloading the library now... should fail in a minute [13:22] MLanden: i do, but i notice at some resolutions, the monitor makes a high pitched humming noise [13:23] raela, http://vpaste.net/5eUvS [13:23] MLanden, from headphone jack to headphones [13:24] |ast| (~lilo78@186.137.23.210) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:24] hiptobecubic: did you run it as root? [13:24] user first, then root. both failed [13:24] what about trying to install it outside of R? [13:24] find /usr/lib64/R -iname "*biobase*so*" ? [13:24] it might give more useful output [13:25] haven't tried, but that doesn't really answer the question. How do i do that? [13:25] jomo (mich@p3EE22CBD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left ##slackware. [13:25] adrien, nothing [13:25] wget http://www.bioconductor.org/packages/2.6/bioc/src/contrib/Biobase_2.8.0.tar.gz [13:25] that way you don't have to keep going through the download yourself [13:25] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:25] then unpack it and have a look at what's there [13:26] and it's a bit weird: it builds some files and then tries to load one it most probably hasn't built [13:26] also, have you checked what's in /tmp/RtmpJ5GYOy/downloaded_packages ? [13:26] ang, ouch....might try a different connector from the monitor to the computer [13:27] raela, nothing [13:27] x-ip (~lain@201.252.209.133) joined ##slackware. [13:27] well, go ahead with the wget and untar [13:27] done [13:27] does it have any INSTALL or README ? [13:27] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:27] x-ip (~lain@201.252.209.133) left irc: Changing host [13:27] x-ip (~lain@unaffiliated/x-ip) joined ##slackware. [13:28] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [13:28] root@eleanor:/tmp/Biobase$ ls [13:28] DESCRIPTION NAMESPACE NEWS R/ data/ inst/ man/ src/ tests/ [13:28] look at DESCRIPTION, then see what's in src [13:28] err [13:28] actually maybe look at man as well, and inst, before src [13:28] desc doesn't have much really. [13:28] might be installation instructions there [13:29] searching [13:29] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:29] whiskas, with the rear...any change with the sound? [13:31] node357 (~seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:31] ugh, help, please [13:31] raela, i didn't see anything very helpful, but perhaps i don't knwo what i'm looking for. have you downloaded it? here is the tree http://vpaste.net/mMRG6 [13:31] yeah I downloaded so I could look [13:31] ariarat (ariarat@unaffiliated/ariarat) left ##slackware. [13:31] i installed the brand new slackware hoping some problems would go away, now i have a new problem.. every time i try to configure my gamepad to play any kind of game, it segfaults with no core or other error message [13:32] ang, you could also try with a different power supply to the monitor to see if the resolution improves or if it remove the humming [13:32] hiptobecubic: trying to install it here, see if it does something similar.. when you installed R, did it pass make check? [13:32] node357, what game pad? paste some logs. dmesg etc [13:32] er, make checkinstall maybe [13:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:33] hiptobecubic: it installed fine here, so I would try to reinstall R. I can try on 13.0-64bit as well real quick [13:33] ang (~ang@ip24-250-16-162.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Quit: Client exiting [13:33] hiptobecubic, two of them... a logitech rumblepad and in desparation, an xbox 360 controller [13:34] raela, well damnit [13:34] I'm not using slack now so I don't have any other info [13:34] node357, i have a logitech rumblepad 2, totally plug and play, didn't have to do anything [13:34] well, that's good at least [13:34] node357, what was segfaulting? the game? [13:34] this didn't happen in 13.0 [13:34] A console game for slackware? [13:34] node357, i'm on -current [13:34] yeah, all games that tried to use the gamepad segfaulted when I pressed any button [13:34] hiptobecubic: worked as well on the 64 bit. did you compile R yourself? [13:35] was using 13.1 [13:35] raela, from SBo, originally. then i downloaded R-2.11.0 and built that myself, using the SBo build as a reference [13:35] guess I could try -current [13:35] every distro I've tried has had some massive problem :/ [13:35] node357, every OS i've ever seen does [13:35] blw142 (~brian@5ad99bef.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:35] hiptobecubic: I have 2.10.1 from the slackbuild.. I'd say it's maybe some odd permissions thing, but if you did it as root.. is the disk full? [13:36] raela, 2.10.1....? is that on SBo? [13:36] using the 13.1 repo? [13:37] raela, disk is not full [13:37] hiptobecubic: version on sbo doesn't matter too much.. if it is, it would've been 13.0. but, you can just change the version in the SlackBuild, usually without issues [13:37] I don't have a 64 bit 13.1 to test on [13:37] node357 (~seanj@S010600134610d4c3.gv.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:37] raela, sure. but is that what you did? [13:37] using 2.10.1 on here as well [13:38] built with the SBo build script? or something esle [13:38] but I compiled the R on this laptop without the SBo build script [13:38] just configure make make install? [13:38] I followed its instructions [13:38] the version on SBo is 2.9.0, so I guess I did pull the 2.10.1 from the R project [13:40] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [13:40] Punker (~punker@unaffiliated/punker) joined ##slackware. [13:41] blw142 (~brian@5ad99bef.bb.sky.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [13:41] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] raela, building again then. [13:41] raela, you just followed ./INSTALL yes? [13:41] mcury (~mcury@189.24.22.66) joined ##slackware. [13:42] yes, that is what I followed, but the 64 bit install I have is off of the slackbuid, which worked [13:42] it looks like you're missing parts [13:42] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/RskZ9K76.html [13:42] I had more things build [13:43] blw142 (~brian@5ad99bef.bb.sky.com) joined ##slackware. [13:43] it never built biobase for you, for some reason.. how odd [13:44] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [13:44] i don't know what the hell is going on. I'm changing the slackbuild to use 2.11.0 and see if that builds properly nwo [13:44] so, if a file permission is rw-rw-r-- (bob.users) and apache is a member of the group users, why can it not open the file? [13:44] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:45] yeah. I mean that seems like for some reason gcc didn't build part of the package.. I don't know why that would occur, though [13:45] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [13:46] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-141.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:46] not sure either [13:46] blw142 (~brian@5ad99bef.bb.sky.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:47] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.64) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:47] ok well changing the SBo script to 2.11.0 doesn't work out of the box. [13:47] what version of R and what is missing? [13:47] what do you mean? [13:47] mancha: http://vpaste.net/5eUvS [13:47] not on this machine at least. The script runs to the end, but running `R` says Fatal error: unable to open the base package [13:47] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [13:47] mancha: this is what should happen http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/RskZ9K76.html [13:48] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:48] oh this is adding stuff to R? [13:48] mancha, yes [13:48] well apparently just installing R didn't work [13:48] raela, i see what you are saying. it just built everything but the final Biobase [13:48] that's really odd.. but maybe that's due to being on -current [13:49] I haven't rebuilt R for 13.1 on this laptop [13:49] hiptobecubic: it didn't build Rinit, either [13:49] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:49] maybe because something went wrong with Rinit, it didn't do the final build [13:49] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:50] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [13:50] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-141.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [13:50] mcury (~mcury@189.24.22.66) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:50] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [13:52] Any suggestion of games to play on cli? [13:52] asciiportal [13:52] tetrinet? [13:53] /usr/games/* ;) [13:53] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] asciiportal! [13:53] Axius, anything in particular? [13:53] t0mm13b (~tommieb@unaffiliated/t0mm13b) joined ##slackware. [13:54] I want some suggestions for slackware. [13:55] raela, here is a conspicuous error Lapack.o: file not recognized: File truncated [13:56] hiptobecubic: have you installed lapack from sbo? it can be finicky [13:56] Axius: CLI games? [13:56] LnxSlck (LnxSlck@92.250.58.127) left irc: Quit: Saindo [13:56] I would go through updating atlas+lapack blas+lapack then do R again [13:57] thumbs: yes [13:57] raela, hm [13:57] ok [13:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.247.70) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:58] hiptobecubic: read about them.. I think blas+lapack is the easier, less intense one.. better to use it you don't need atlas [13:58] of course, something I had to install needed it.. but meh. it's all on sbo [13:58] v4nelle (~van@79.107.247.70) joined ##slackware. [13:59] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.50) joined ##slackware. [14:00] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:01] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [14:01] raela, didn't have blas or atlas or lapack.... install lapack -> blas -> R now [14:01] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:01] although my internet has slowed down to 20KB/s for some reason... could take awhile [14:01] ah.. well, it may not cause an issue with biobase, but who knows.. lots of R uses lapack I believe [14:02] SuBmUnDo (~SuBmUnDo@unaffiliated/submundo) joined ##slackware. [14:03] fuck. lapack didn't even build [14:03] maybe Rinit couldn't go without lapack [14:03] did you read the readme on sbo about lapack? there's a specific order [14:04] Guest34621 (~barry@212.183.140.17) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:04] I think you need blas then lapack [14:05] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:05] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [14:06] blas doesn't build either. looks like make is called with `make OPTS="-O2 -fPIC" and then it says "make: PIC no such file or directory" [14:08] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-244-214.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:08] do you have fortran? [14:08] gfortran? [14:09] i downloaded blas.tgz manually and just ran 'make' with no opts and it worked [14:09] well, I dont think I put anything special for me to have blas.. [14:09] did you do the slackbuild for blas? [14:09] raela, yes. failed immediately [14:09] er.. biobase needed -fPIC as well [14:09] http://vpaste.net/6rFGv [14:10] it all build fine for me on a stock 13.0 64 bit install.. [14:11] well what the hell [14:11] :D [14:11] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-166-141.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [14:11] I recently did alien's compat32 stuff. but everything has been fine until now. [14:12] are you in 32 bit mode right now? did you make the executable in /etc/profile.d +x ? [14:12] er the script [14:12] i am not in 32bit mode right now [14:12] on a standard SW install, apache's httpd.conf does NOT contain the frags relevant for the various virtual domains .. where are those fragments? [14:13] Razec (~razec@187.34.16.102) joined ##slackware. [14:13] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-244-214.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:13] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [14:13] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:14] metrofox (~metrofox@ppp-249-248.33-151.iol.it) joined ##slackware. [14:14] raela, make OPTS="-O2" results in errors. seems to work if i alter it to just be make OPTS="-fPIC" [14:14] that's just an optimization flag, I think. it should be fine.. [14:14] agreed [14:14] there... built [14:15] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [14:15] have you had problems installing other software? this all seems very odd and I'd think something isn't right with your system [14:15] no drunken romps through your system files? :P [14:15] :D no [14:15] other software has installed fine also [14:16] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [14:16] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [14:17] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:17] zux (~zux@balticom-130-134.balticom.lv) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:19] _lat3X (~Lat3X@190.69.29.197) joined ##slackware. [14:19] TrollMaster (~chatzilla@112.135.35.201) joined ##slackware. [14:20] ridout (~glen@d216-121-212-105.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:20] yeah for some reason, building anything with $(make OPTS="-O2 -fPIC") confuses the hell out of make. it thinks "O" and "2" are different options and then it thinks that "PIC" is some kind of argument to "-f" and then complains that PIC is not a real file [14:20] that's really not okay [14:20] raela, it is rather confusing [14:20] plowing on ahead! [14:21] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:21] when more people are arounf, I would recommend tracking that down [14:25] yea i mean, i'm not thrilled about it [14:26] TrollMaster (~chatzilla@112.135.35.201) left irc: K-Lined [14:28] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-121-108.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [14:29] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-240-70.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:30] v4nelle (~van@79.107.247.70) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:30] chance22 (~chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [14:31] is there a difference between -fpic and -fPIC ? [14:32] mcury (~mcury@189.24.22.66) joined ##slackware. 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[14:46] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [14:47] How can I check which version of slackware is currently installed? `uname -a` just gives the kernel version and processor type [14:47] wertik_ (~wertik@95-26-198-143.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:47] check /etc/slackware-version I believe [14:47] look in /etc anyway [14:48] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:48] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@corp-190-12-30-90-cue.puntonet.ec) joined ##slackware. [14:48] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:48] the first one was right, thanks [14:48] now how do i change my hostname from darkstar? :) [14:49] maybe i'll keep that kick ass hostname :) [14:49] better than "slackware" [14:49] Easiest thing to setup your network is using 'netconfig' as root. [14:49] Which should've been in the installer... [14:49] Zosma: i dont think that does wifi [14:49] Zosma: i skipped that part [14:49] it should swap your hostname though [14:49] Aye :-) [14:49] setting up wireless is something else [14:49] raela, i think ccache was screwing things up [14:50] raela: iwconfig + dhcpcd just works [14:50] just a pain to configure all those files [14:50] Axius, http://www.catb.org/~esr/greed/ ... simple little CLI strategy game..depending on the number,that's how many spaces you go forward with no lines that cross [14:50] i am thinking of just adding a script to load on boot that will run iwconfig and dhcpcd [14:50] much simpler [14:50] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:50] Absolute0: my wireless is controlled from wpa_supplicant that does well [14:50] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-190-149.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:50] wpa_supplicant finds the network to connect to then dhcpcd is called [14:50] I only have one access point no need for it [14:51] hiptobecubic: ah.. hope you get it sorted [14:51] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-27-128-249.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:51] yeah, you could put it in rc.local.. I used to do that as well [14:51] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:51] echo "iwconfig ... && dhcpcd wlan0 > /etc/rc.local/foo ? [14:51] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:52] tino27 (~tino27@cpe-65-189-199-65.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:52] greetings and salutations [14:52] v4nelle (~van@79.107.247.70) joined ##slackware. [14:52] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [14:52] rc.local is nonexistent [14:52] do I create it? [14:52] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [14:52] is it a file or dir? [14:53] Then you fucked up [14:53] There must be a /etc/rc.d/rc.local [14:53] oh [14:53] still nothing [14:53] so it's up and running, except that opening "Network settings" gives an "Unable to parse XML file" error. any reasons why that should happen? [14:53] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:53] alienBOB: i thought it was /etc/rc.local :) [14:54] nixness: do not use KDE's network tools [14:54] Absolute0: no. Read the Slackbook [14:54] yes [14:54] And read http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network if you want to know how to configure a network in Slackware [14:54] alienBOB: thanks! [14:55] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. 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[14:59] Axius, another one that's current is myman(CLI pacman) http://myman.sourceforge.net/ [14:59] hiptobecubic: exactly [14:59] and googl.com [14:59] Well it's not :) [15:00] it obviously isn't [15:00] the layout looks similar though [15:00] sshttp://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.1/ <-- [15:01] i can't seem to find nvidia there, is it safe to install the latest from nvidia.com? [15:02] how do you define safe? [15:02] stable secure etc [15:02] you must be search deficient. [15:02] BP{k}: must be [15:02] http://slackbuilds.org/result/?search=nvidia&sv=13.1 [15:02] Absolute0, it's called "nvidia-driver" and "nvidia-kernel" [15:05] nixness (~dsc@89.211.67.154) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [15:07] Are any of the packages in slackbuilds.org also in the official slackware repos? [15:08] http://slackbuilds.org/ <-- please read that page [15:09] Axius (~fd@92.82.83.169) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:10] mario____ (~mario@orion.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. 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[15:19] Axius, np [15:19] Razec (~razec@187.34.16.102) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:21] dv6000 (~dv6000@d232075.tidewater.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:21] tino27 (tino27@cpe-65-189-199-65.neo.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:22] hi is there any way to convert .tgz into .txz? thanks. [15:22] Punker: gunzip, and then re-compress [15:23] thank you StevenR it shouldn't affect its contents ,right? [15:23] nope. you're not untarring it afterall [15:24] good. cheers :-) thanks a lot [15:24] np [15:24] zoot_ (~zoot@dsl-145-210-40.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:25] Tweaking_Man (~pupuser54@pm1dialin-20.danbbs.dk) joined ##slackware. [15:25] zoot_ (~zoot@dsl-145-210-40.telkomadsl.co.za) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [15:25] zipslack? [15:25] ping. [15:25] zoot_ (~zoot@dsl-145-210-40.telkomadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:27] pong. 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[15:36] Tweaking_Man: it's been like this since the install. the person who installed it installed too many packages and overwhelmed /usr which is on 2GB - supposed to be a lean server install. anyway, i removed unwanted packages and reinstalled packages using upgradepkg --reinstall in the hope that the slowness may have been caused by corrupt packages. the machine was slow from the outset. [15:38] zoot_: so it was slower when the jackass had his stuff on, and better now? [15:38] chance22 (~chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:38] danix (1000@host143-49-dynamic.51-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: bye... [15:39] slightly quicker file access, but that's obvious as /usr is not longer 100% full! otherwise nowhere near as fast as it should be! [15:39] no local access? [15:39] quad xeon ... [15:40] nope, i'm in cape town, server in johannesburg (1400km) :( [15:40] mmmm [15:40] yes, quad xeon [15:40] mateus (~mateus@187.64.42.110) joined ##slackware. [15:40] dmesg shows nothing, network access good. ping to google servers 6ms [15:40] my first guess would be that there's a quirked /usr [15:40] your guess too, so that doesn't help. [15:41] well, reinstalling the packages should have fixed any corrupt ones [15:41] what did the logs say when the jackass spammed /usr ? [15:41] i don't know 'ext4' [15:42] installed to /usr during system install... no clue whether slack logs that portion of the install? hmmm... never looked [15:42] tried force pruning it with fsck? [15:42] wondering whether ext4, but i use it on my laptop and no problems [15:42] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-73-33-8.clppva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:42] slack rocks! [15:42] i use fat32! [15:43] Tweaking_Man: perhaps i shouldn't bee talking to you then, hahaha [15:43] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:43] no, i came here to ask about zipslack [15:43] aha ;) [15:43] could be corrupted fs [15:44] is there still a zipslack? [15:44] who knows. [15:44] Tweaking_Man: as I understand it zipslack has not been maintained in a long time [15:44] there's slax. [15:44] you could make one... [15:44] andarius: thanks [15:44] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:45] I might take a shot at new zipslack... [15:45] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:46] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [15:47] zoot_ : what's fsck -fp say ? [15:48] linus72, Northern Virginia? Chesapeake/Suffolk here [15:48] whats up MLanden [15:48] Orange/Charlottesville [15:48] Arirang (~koolaid@c-98-246-182-183.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:49] linus72, doin' great thanks [15:49] I think I am gonna try to make a current zipslack... [15:50] it's doable [15:50] Tweaking_Man: i can't run fsck on mounted filesystems [15:50] remotely [15:51] wonder why there aint one for 13.1? maybe slax is new zipslack? [15:51] isn't there an option for updating its mountflags, and mounting it rdonly [15:51] probably not :( [15:52] anyone having issues with conky on slack current? [15:52] it keeps tryin to stay at top of screen no matter what I do.... [15:54] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [15:55] linus72, if you pull a folder or an app over it,does it go over it or under it? [15:56] it goes over it... [15:56] Tweaking_Man: can only do fsck when booted from a rescue cd, or similar. fs must be unmounted to avoid corruption. will do so tomorrow when someone is available physically at the machine. [15:56] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [15:56] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [15:56] Teaking_Man: thanks for the suggestions :) ciao [15:56] zoot_ (zoot@dsl-145-210-40.telkomadsl.co.za) left ##slackware. [15:57] van_ (~van@79.107.210.228) joined ##slackware. [15:58] linus72, can you check conky.conf in /etc/conky and see what text alignment is set to [15:58] so many nice options for mount, and no updateflags to ro [15:58] ok, so maybe its overridin my ~/.conkyrc? [15:59] pssh [15:59] Tweaking_Man, mount -o remount ro might do the trick - but be careful [15:59] oh, nice. [15:59] too late though, zoot_ quit. [16:00] heh [16:00] gyroscope (~master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: Quit: FSF Free Software Foundation [16:00] what's there to worry about if you use that? [16:00] 'be careful' ? [16:00] won't it bail if /usr can't be remounted? [16:01] because if it's your root partition you need to remount ro and fsck, you may still have to reboot - and hope you're in runlevel 1 so all general processes are killed first [16:01] v4nelle (~van@79.107.247.70) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [16:01] oh yeah, the root partition [16:01] alphad (~alphad@196.201.85.201) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:01] poor zoot_ [16:01] it's not just a matter of remounting ro to fsck, it's also the background processes that may need something to write to as well [16:01] and no zipslack. [16:01] snL20 (~irssi@194.81-166-79.customer.lyse.net) joined ##slackware. [16:01] which bg procs? he'd kill everything off first. [16:01] jgeboski (james@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [16:02] there's always the install cd/dvd - unless he's using an oddball (like encrypted) root [16:02] it was a colo box [16:02] which also includes any network connections [16:02] so unless he has serial port access, he may lose the network connection while trying to fsck [16:02] put zoot_ on notice, he's a boer, so he'll paypal you krugerands. [16:02] at least unless he wants to have some fun [16:02] (gold) [16:03] heh yeah [16:03] in fact, the boot process first mounts root as ro, then fsck check (quick, just mainly a sanity check rather than a full check), then remount rw before continuing past runlevel 1 [16:03] no serial link [16:04] hmm - he may want to consider a different colo then if he doesn't have remote serial access [16:04] TrollMaster_ (~chatzilla@112.135.6.220) joined ##slackware. [16:04] you could use that memoserv thing and let him know. [16:05] if he's on the other side of the world, he'll be online when I work (since I work nights) [16:05] pst [16:05] vdv (~vdv@e09R011.mensa-wohnheim.uni-bremen.de) joined ##slackware. [16:07] TrollMaster (~chatzilla@112.135.54.51) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [16:07] Nick change: TrollMaster_ -> TrollMaster [16:07] mancha, when I try that 'md5sum .dev.dvd' as you suggested, it always gets an I/O error.... [16:07] anyone know what zipslack was for? [16:08] _dieter_ (~dieter@p54BECE64.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] linus72, zipdrive....scsi 120mb drive [16:09] I am trying to check the md5sum of my Slackware 13.1 DVD, because it seems to halt after the second dot showing the kernel is loading.... [16:10] dchmelik: what keeps you from checking? [16:10] mancha, when I try that 'md5sum .dev.dvd' as you suggested, it always gets an I/O error.... [16:10] theres no try. do or do not. -- yoda. ;-) [16:11] oh, and zipdrives dont exist anymore huh.... [16:12] lol [16:12] lol [16:12] I saw one once... [16:12] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [16:12] whatever, jg71... I do not see why you even asked then.... [16:12] why not "md5sum name-of-iso.iso" ? [16:12] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [16:12] I already verified the ISO [16:12] oh [16:12] but I want to verify it was written properly [16:13] my dvd reader sucks with many dvd's [16:13] write it at speed 1 [16:13] true,friend had one...flash drive mowed 'em over just like their little brothers the floppies [16:13] zipdrives are golden. [16:13] can you check md5sum where its mounted? md5sum /mnt/cdrom, etc [16:14] that is what I tried to do [16:14] I dont use cd/dvd for installing... [16:14] oh, wait that is a little different [16:14] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:14] you cannot check it like that [16:14] I always jsut slap the dvd on a partition/usb and install that way [16:14] i should irc more often. [16:15] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:15] my computer cannot boot from USB [16:15] with plop it can [16:15] thats how I boot mine [16:15] you got grub on hdd? [16:16] no, lilo [16:16] ok [16:16] heres plop executable I use, hold for link [16:16] http://multidistro.com/downloads/plpbt [16:16] put that in boot folder [16:17] I would rather read about it first [16:17] LOL [16:17] its harmless bro [16:17] mateus (~mateus@187.64.42.110) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:17] I dont look to harm anyones pc... [16:18] I put it and netbootcd in all my live stuff http://linux.softpedia.com/progMoreBy/Publisher-AegisX-31789.html [16:18] it doesnt install anything, just boots cdrom,usb,hdd,usb-cdrom,etc [16:19] its a great tool for pc's that wont boot from usb,etc [16:19] plop bootmanager [16:19] plop's real [16:19] harmless. [16:19] but try md5 summing your mounted dvd first. [16:20] no doubt, mine is the executable, the other version: plpbtin actually installs to MBR [16:20] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119515.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:20] I have tried it twice, Tweaking_Man, and got I/O errors [16:21] the mount point. [16:21] sounds like my dvd reader... [16:21] i liked that. add all the sums together and it should be the correct sum. [16:21] it says it cannot do an md5sum on that because it is a directory [16:21] installation from hdd is pretty fast too [16:21] <_slax0r_> hi, wth does this mean: Failed to create new tree : Could not find a suitable object class for the new DN when I try to create a new tree in webmin? [16:21] yeah, but you need something to boot the kernel first so you can install from hdd [16:22] plop is alright. [16:22] so, read up on plop as you said and its the snit [16:22] but im curious about md5 summing the mountpoint. [16:23] why is it called plop, linus72 [16:23] the mountpoint is a directory [16:23] linus72 suggested it. [16:23] not sure TweakingMan... [16:23] what goes plop? [16:24] I didnt make it... [16:24] fizz fizz..? [16:24] your hard drive? [16:24] lol [16:24] PCLinuxOS's drak installer got me once....bang!, no more partitions!? [16:24] _dieter_ (~dieter@p54BECE64.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:25] there's that unetbootlin too [16:25] Tweaking_Man: look at http://slackware.com/~alien/tools/burnt_iso_md5_check.sh to get an idea about comparing checksums of the ISO and the burnt media [16:25] Unetbootin is what started my journey into linux.... [16:25] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [16:25] thank you. [16:25] now i know :) [16:25] I had XP, playin around with unetbootin and ubuntu 804... [16:26] unetbootin installed syslinux to my XP.... [16:26] I didnt know what to do...(0 linux experience) [16:26] I eneded up moving my files with ubuntu and installing ubuntu [16:26] I havent used windows since dec 2008! [16:27] and I wouldn't have it any other wway:) [16:27] <_slax0r_> windows are bad for your health [16:27] <_slax0r_> leave 'em open for too long and you'll catch a cold [16:27] and it aint free [16:28] alienBOB: you must have made an error, there's no way to md5sum a mountpoint against a filesystem image, like linus72 said i could. [16:28] that sucks.... [16:29] perhaps its a matter of addition? [16:29] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:29] thanks, alicephilippa [16:30] I mean alienBOB [16:30] Bugz__ (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [16:30] Tweaking_Man, did you read the script alienBOB pointed you to? [16:30] yes, it was very instructive. [16:30] thanks. [16:30] I do not think he could have made an error... he is on the SLACKWARE team [16:30] Tweaking_Man: you do not checksum a mountpoint [16:30] You checksum the block device [16:30] as the script points out - you dd the block device, not the mount point [16:31] linus72 told me i could. thanks for correcting me. [16:31] anyway, [16:31] Well don't believe everything that's being said here [16:31] how will 'captive ntfs' fuck me over if i use it? [16:31] alienBOB, at least not by other than the usual suspects :) [16:32] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [16:32] I suggested it thank you, it wasnt a command [16:32] Tweaking_Man, ntfs is a windows format - that linux is still not fully api compliant due to lack of docs [16:32] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [16:32] yes [16:32] http://slackwiki.org/Captive_NTFS [16:33] alienBOB, your script also got an I/O error when reading from my drive [16:33] is york here? [16:33] Bugz (~Bugz@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] escaflown (~escaflown@S01060018f87d1121.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:33] I wonder if I jostled the cables or something when I put in a card [16:33] dchmelik, yep - indicates either a bad cd/dvd or drive issues [16:34] dd some other disc to /dev/null [16:34] dchmelik: did you run it as root? [16:34] else try rewriting the iso at lowest write speed [16:34] dchmelik, as Tweaking_Man notes, put in a good cd/dvd and if it works, then you have a bad disk, if it doesn't work then your drive has issues [16:35] Bugz_ (~Bugz_@adsl-75-42-83-116.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:35] that means i get a point. [16:35] Tweaking_Man: Slackware uses ntfs-3g which is 100% compatible with Windows' NTFS filesystem, and is able to write as well as read to the partition [16:35] could i use it to have you devs rework zipslack? [16:35] :) [16:35] Zipslack is gone [16:35] alienBOB : are you york? [16:35] Obsolete [16:35] i know :( [16:36] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:36] this is ##slackware, not ##zipslack :) [16:36] USB sticks are the craze now [16:36] yeah [16:36] im gonna keep my zipdrive. [16:36] and just not use it, then. [16:37] Roin (~florian@p5B2BFFBC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [16:38] alienBOB: yeah, i've used ntfs-3g and it works without a hitch. im just wondering if there will be issues if i automount it at boot, read-write, after 6 months, because of some obscure issue that you may know about or have encountered. [16:38] Tweaking_Man: nobody keeps you from creating a new zipslack archive using Slackware 13.1 [16:38] you can probably still use the zipdrive - just have to do it yourself [16:38] you could recycle the zip drive [16:38] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:39] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Tweaking_Man: you are using backups of course, so anything happening to that NTFS drive should not be disastrous [16:39] qneo (knao@adsl-dyn74.91-127-163.t-com.sk) left ##slackware ("good night"). [16:39] yes [16:39] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) left irc: Client Quit [16:39] escaflown (~escaflown@S01060018f87d1121.ed.shawcable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:39] But... ntfs-3g is good enough to work with your data [16:39] this DVD I used to make my Slackware 13.1 disc says it is a 'DVD-R Ver. 2.1' ... and my drive is older [16:39] ta [16:40] got the fear after trying some other os's ntfs TECHNOLOGY [16:41] dchmelik : would you like to use zipslack instead then? [16:41] :) [16:42] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? [16:43] linus72 (~linus72@pool-72-73-33-8.clppva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:44] what is so important about making it at 1x speed? cannot I just verify it in k3b or something? [16:45] because some media/drives have issues at higher speeds - it also depends on how well the drive can burn the cd/dvd [16:45] as well as the laser power [16:45] nice slackwiki. kudos. [16:45] k3b does not even offer making it at 1x [16:46] cdrdao, cdrecord [16:46] though my dvdwriter sometimes refuses 1x too [16:46] (it's shitty) [16:52] Im having an issue changing wifi networks with wicd, after i disconnect I cannot reconnect to any network [16:52] Nick change: xchg -> xchg_chrr [16:53] maybe wicd is not smart about killing child processes...try killall dhcpcd [16:53] rab13s: there is a #wicd channel where you can verify with the developers if this is a known bug [16:53] mancha's suggestion is a good one [16:53] alienBOB: thanks, yea Ill head over to wicd as well as testing the killall dhcpcd [16:54] mancha: here goes nothing [16:54] that's the spirit [16:54] and the thing that goes plop. 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[17:05] -C [17:05] yes biggie C, typo [17:06] alternatively you can cd into the dir yourself and then tar xvf /path/to/tarfile [17:08] I think I know what was wrong with my DVD... the disc says on it 1x - 16x, but k3b was doing 18.5x [17:08] k3b is only good at farkin' up media [17:09] i think the devs of k3b have a financial agreement with blank media makers...the deal is k3b messes them up so people keep buying 'em [17:09] it got better [17:10] well from the condition of "making coasters of every disc" you can _only_ get better so that's not saying much [17:12] I like coasters [17:13] maybe k3b does have a target demographic after all... [17:16] someone have problem with X and KDE, after almost 3days of uptime, same X session and KDE, process X goes crazy when resizing konsole, or switching virtual desktops, it goes to ~90% of cpu usage, and slow down everything [17:17] k3b only passed 2 cds of the past 9 I've burned.. but the failed ones still seemed to work [17:18] k3b in Slackware has been alpha or beta for over a year [17:19] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-51-68.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:19] use k3b from extra/ [17:23] what is the difference? [17:23] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:24] updates, I believe [17:24] its supposed to be stable. the one in extra/ is the app most people trusted mediia burning in linux the most [17:25] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:25] I've never had issues with coasters with k3b [17:26] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [17:26] well, they seem to be okay, it just claimed the track it burned is different than the file I burned from [17:26] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:27] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-108.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] well, I believe I have got my 3rd coaster today [17:29] hitest (~George_Ni@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [17:29] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:30] dchmelik: did you knock the burner while it was working? [17:30] no [17:30] canadians knock it 3 times for good luck [17:31] pot leaf flag [17:31] dchmelik: is that how you see it? [17:34] eycel (~eycel@67-61-15-122.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:34] I was just explaining mancha's ridiculous statement [17:35] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@*.pppoe.avangarddsl.ru expired. 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[17:54] d4rwin (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [17:54] I thought cdrdao does not work on DVDs [17:55] fidesratio (~fidesrati@bender.open-source.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [17:55] plee (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:57] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119515.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:03] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:07] when I used cdrecord instead of k3b, at the end, cdrecord said 'trouble flushing cache.\n cannot fixate disk.' [18:07] if a server has 4GB of RAM, how much swap space should one give? [18:07] shrug, people have preferences on swap [18:07] some people have none, some do 2x RAM, some do RAM + 2 [18:08] for less than 1 gig of ram, double swap, for over 2gig ram, your choice - depends on how you use your system [18:08] i read it should be equal to RAM size unless the ram is over 2GB, then the swap always stays 2G [18:08] Action: dchmelik has 32 Gb RAM [18:08] unless you're on a laptop, then you need swap>ram for hibernation [18:09] dchmelik: how much swap space do you use [18:09] 64 Gb [18:09] I have 1 GB swap / 3 GB ram on this laptop, but I never hibernate. my other laptop has 512 MB RAM / 1 GB swap.. workstation has 8 GB ram, getting 8 more GB, 16 GB swap [18:09] jeeeze [18:09] I do not know if I need it though [18:10] i think i will do 2GB swap [18:10] i need to upgrade my ram on my SSD laptop [18:11] hitest (George_Ni@7conn226.rupert.net) left ##slackware. [18:11] cdrecord made me my 4th coaster today (k3b made the first three) [18:11] ok - sounds like a drive/driver issue then [18:11] or cheap meida [18:11] media [18:11] dchmelik: very suspicious. [18:12] I think it is the media, though it is Sony [18:12] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [18:12] how long would it take to write Slackware64 13.1 at 1x speed? [18:12] 4G+ would take a while [18:12] 1. Swap space == Equal RAM size (if RAM < 2GB) [18:12] 2. Swap space == 2GB size (if RAM > 2GB) [18:12] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:13] my drive has worked from about 11.x or 12.x until 13.0 [18:14] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [18:14] I had better shut down and check all the connections [18:15] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:16] dchmelik: you have 32gb of ram but a bios that cant boot from usb and a crappy drive? [18:16] i want to make sure i got it right [18:16] lol [18:16] yeah, but I do not have a crappy drive. It has always worked until I got this new media [18:17] oh, ok [18:18] rraindown (~rraindown@95.150.19.121) joined ##slackware. [18:19] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [18:19] well, I consistently burn good dvd's with 13.0 and -current (through feb this year), so the only change I can think of is "cheap media" - where cheap = not good quality, but maybe average quality [18:20] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [18:21] I looked up 'cannot fixate disc' on a forum and it says the drive probably has problems with the media [18:21] buy a couple of good quality disks and see if that helps [18:21] I have Sony discs... I do not know what else would work... JVC seemed to be good [18:22] it's interesting, though, that most cd/dvd media is mfgr'ed by only 2 or 3 factories [18:22] might try maxtor and memorex as well [18:22] maxtor or maxwell? I keep forgetting which max____ name it on it [18:22] I still suspect I might have bumped some connections so I will be back later. [18:22] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:23] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:24] ken, did you want the dreamhost mirror on slackwar.ecom? im trying to get stuff added.. [18:25] I have had pretty good luck with Fuji, TDK and Verbatim [18:25] jeev, still working on a few issues, so not yet. but thanks. [18:25] I'm planning on have it added to slackware.com mirrors, but not yet [18:25] jgeboski (~James@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [18:25] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-108.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [18:26] at the moment, I don't mind a few people using it so I can work on the structure/sync issues, but not for mass consumption yet [18:26] yea but it's so hard to get in contact with the guy who updates mirrors [18:26] kernel.org is mirroring [18:26] :) [18:27] heh [18:27] lee__ (~lee__@ip68-101-23-17.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [18:27] dood im so pissed off [18:27] my main network in the east is getting terrible speeds to my other network [18:27] it's getting 10mbit and it's just a few states away, a few hundred miles [18:28] Action: TrollMaster going to start a channel for trading necular secreats via internet.NSA to North Koriea.Buy and sell internet agents.Complete anymous things. [18:28] wow [18:28] wtf? [18:28] lol [18:28] sounds almost like the time I was in san diego, and the hops it was taking from san diego to san francisco included hops to new york [18:28] i have booted into a slackware x86 32-bit cd, and selected a ftp install, however, i have just realised my machine is 64-bit and would like to install slackware 64-bit, do i need to start again? [18:29] TrollMaster, what's neclular ? [18:29] necular [18:29] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:29] Nick change: get -> Get|Off [18:29] Nick change: Get|Off -> get [18:29] TrollMaster, stop trolling oh and by the way.. israel already sold all nuclear secrets in the past 30 years.. you're a little too late [18:29] dustybin, yep - not recommended to "upgrade" from 32 to 64. too many issues that would have to be worked out [18:29] aye ok ! [18:29] alisonken1home, it's 700 miles away, abnormal. im getting better speeds to chicago and even east-west coast [18:30] jeev, yep :) routing is funny that way [18:30] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:30] TheTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:30] ken, you go on webhostingtalk ? [18:30] nope [18:30] oh, thought you would.. since you work at dreamhost [18:30] EuroTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Disconnected by services [18:30] don't think I've heard of it [18:30] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:30] Nick change: TheTrash -> EuroTrash [18:30] anyway.. i odnt know, i think it's because of the introduction of a crappy provider [18:30] who work on dreamhost? [18:31] TheTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [18:31] I work noc keepig servers running [18:31] keeping [18:31] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:31] guax, me [18:31] rmielniczuk (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [18:31] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [18:31] I can start a web site to ppl to anynomously share the secreats etc.And trade those things in a international level. [18:31] alisonken1home, why stratus is sooooo slow? =( [18:31] guax probably wants you to steal their customer list [18:31] what is stratus? one of our servers? [18:31] necular secreats ? sounds like a new species [18:31] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [18:31] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.8.101) joined ##slackware. [18:32] jeev, i am on that list [18:32] alisonken1home, yes [18:32] spam it! [18:32] guax, everything at dreamhost is slow [18:32] and i know it is a debian 3.0! [18:32] they throttle i'm sure [18:32] o/ [18:32] guax, slow as in how? [18:32] so how is 13.1 working out for everyone? [18:33] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:33] most excellent, up to now [18:33] I had a complete upgrade fail, but re-installing solved any and all problems ;) [18:33] Yeah [18:33] alisonken1home, that depends =P sometimes is link another is just the server response that takes some time [18:33] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:33] adaptr, want me to train you on how to upgrade? :D [18:34] guax: pm me the domain to check? [18:34] i cant precise because i leave in brazil and im pretty sure international link issues are dominant in this case [18:34] I would like an upgrade, but the older I get, the more I get downgraded. [18:34] phrag: I smell a troll :P [18:34] Action: TrollMaster join #necularsecreats [18:34] lol [18:35] leave him, he's funny [18:35] he's an idiot. [18:35] funny like crabs? [18:35] I bet that's a forward to - what's that channel again ? [18:35] Action: NyteOwl hasn't upgraded to 13.1 yet. Waiting for disc, too lazy to downlaod :0 [18:36] NyteOwl: waiting for my copy too. [18:36] chopp, i've never had crabs [18:36] ppl still mail things? [18:36] they don't have internet in canada yet, eh [18:36] Action: adaptr hides [18:36] Grifulkin (~ryan@cpe-74-71-215-155.twcny.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:37] jeev: you *are* a crab. :P [18:37] and by things I mean media. [18:37] hehe Bell is putting in Fibre to the home starting this month [18:37] chopp, then i'm nasty [18:37] lol [18:37] NyteOwl, i dont read great things about canadian isps [18:38] jeev: I've been a Sympatico customer for about 12 years. Service has been excellent. tech support was also excellent when needed up to a few years ago when they off-shored it. I was with Auracomm 0prior to that and they were so-so. Broadband is pricey here [18:39] NyteOwl: sympatico is shitty in this province. [18:39] NyteOwl, how about the canadian fcc or whatever it is.. the one that pretty much made it difficult for resellers and companies that use telco lines [18:39] bass (~bass_@mnch-5d86b991.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] thumbs it has been good here (NS) for me anyway [18:40] Hey all, I'm having trouble installing foo2zjs on SW13.1 [18:40] someone happy with sympatico dsl... that's a rare thing [18:40] NyteOwl: can't speak for that province,. [18:40] new scotland aye [18:40] TheTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Quit: MEH [18:40] It says while compiling: "No rule to make target 'printer-profile'. Stop. [18:40] adaptr: Nova Scotia [18:40] and that means... [18:40] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [18:40] adaptr: yes, but the name of the province is not "New Scotland" [18:40] I didn't say it was [18:41] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [18:41] Prefect: I'm unhappy with the way it's managed more than the actual service [18:41] i wonder what the future will bring, as far as bandwidth throttling and isp snooping [18:42] I vote for the worst [18:42] i wonder what and how though [18:42] Max throttling, total snooping. 4k RSA decryption on the fly %) [18:42] are vpn's the future? i mean they're the present for secure things, like telecommuting but.. [18:42] im seeing a major rise in companies selling vpn services [18:43] They are advertising the new fibre will be up to 170 down/30 up [18:43] Internet by subscription after identity verification only [18:43] I'll believe it when I see it. Probably cost a small fortune [18:43] jeev: They are on the rise already. I'm picking a service atm..almost ^) [18:43] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-196.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [18:44] NyteOwl, when i moved to NB i had to choose rogers because the bell dsl plans were still at something like 5mbit/512 [18:44] johndee, even in soviet russia? i thought in soviet russia, vpn's pick you. [18:44] yoyoned (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] Prefect: current DSL options are 1.5/1, 7/1 and 13/1 [18:45] jeev: Very funny %) We separated into a separate country. Inland empire :) [18:45] 13/1 only if you live in HRM of course [18:45] when DSL finally reaches 1mbit here, I bet cable will do 2mbit. [18:46] DSL for what? [18:46] I thought you were in a more or less inhabited area ? [18:46] eh johndee, never heard of it. inland empire in socal, i have ;) [18:46] cable her is 1.5/1, 5/1, 15/1 and 20/.1 [18:46] we have 26/3 cable here [18:46] my DSL is 15/1, cable is 120/10 here [18:46] unstable usually, charter forgets to pay qwest then qwest throttles [18:46] 20/6 [18:46] jeev: Not much need for vpns here though. At least for now. But they are making many dumb laws so the situation might not be that bright in a couple of years :\ [18:46] In the 949 [18:47] again : uhy may I convert kde packages from other distros ? :) [18:47] adaptr: with what they carge no one could afford 120/3. I dunno how many Fibre custoemrs they're going to get if the price/speed ratio holds [18:47] NyteOwl: I don't know who "they" are. 120/10 costs about EUR80 here [18:47] johndee, i odnt know much about the new dnssec they're trying to do or done but there needs to be encrypted client-server dns.. isp's are paying attention to everything now, telco's looking at CDR and analyzing it. we're farked [18:48] they being local cable provider. their 20/1 is pricely enough at the same price/speed ratio 120/3 would be extremely expensive [18:48] Yeh, big brother is focusing his chocolate eye :[ [18:48] TrollMaster_ (~chatzilla@112.135.27.42) joined ##slackware. [18:49] %) [18:49] we cant fart without them knowing what we ate! [18:49] adaptr: Id pay that. [18:50] adaptr: that's about $100 here. we pay about EUR55 for 20/1 [18:50] TrollMaster (~chatzilla@112.135.6.220) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:50] sorry , 15/1 [18:50] RickBuzzly: I am contemplating $50 for 60/6.... my $7.50 usenet provider guarantees 50 down, and I will keep the DSL for..more dependable services [18:50] Nick change: TrollMaster_ -> TrollMaster [18:50] Jeev: hell, everything's been cached and traded between govs for years. [18:51] RickBuzzly, what's happened for years is nothing compared to what's about to happen [18:51] That's amazing, I pay more for less. Hopefully fiber is coming this decade. [18:52] pi31415 (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] 20/6 runs about $75 [18:52] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/2010/05/29/slackware-13-1-released-an-unfortunate-choice-of-kernel/ [18:53] 7/1 DSL is $62CAD [18:53] pi31415, yeah, I read something about someone complaining about that kernel having regressions [18:54] not that particular one I think, but one similar [18:55] that one sounds pretty severe [18:55] evilfourzero (~eth0@pool-72-73-36-149.clppva.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:55] how can I tell if a module is compiled within the kernel without the configuration? [18:56] pi31415, from what I remember, it's only an issue if you use lvm [18:56] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.8.101) left irc: Quit: buh-bye. [18:56] i don't know if I am configuring quota's incorrectly or if it is just not enabled [18:56] alisonken1home: that is true [18:57] possibly acpi - but have to go back and read the kernel logs about that [18:57] alisonken1home: I only use LVM on my servers, which do not run slackware, so no sweat here [18:57] rmielniczuk (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:57] I don't use lvm - so I don't have an issue [18:57] I guess a die hard could just drop in the kernel of their choice [18:57] and at work they decided to use debian based systems [18:57] that too [18:57] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [18:57] data loss is pretty severe, but that's what backups and test servers are for [18:58] So after all Bubuntu made the right choice shipping .32 kernel. Hoho [18:59] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:59] bass (~bass_@mnch-5d86b991.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:59] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:00] i have noticed that all of my fonts are smaller [19:03] in kde? [19:05] no, in X [19:05] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: No route to host [19:05] for example, I have some truetype font faces in .Xdefaults for various programs including the digital Xclock [19:05] I had to bump it up 2 sizes before xclock -digital and xterm looked the same as befpre [19:06] firefox has smaller fonts for the menu and tabs, but the other fonts seem the same [19:07] evilfourzero (~eth0@pool-72-73-36-149.clppva.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 ::eth0 ) [19:08] pi31415, that can happen when you have higher resolution with normal fonts :) before I had to make sure the higher fonts (like 100 series) was first in the fonts list for xorg.conf in order to get decent initial font sizes [19:09] or making sure my resolution was lower (like 1024x768) rather than 1280x1024 [19:10] i did not think my resolution changed [19:11] no complaints though, small fonts are fine [19:13] hmm FibreOp in New Brunswick is $118 for 60/15. now using linear extrapolation that means the new 170/30 here will be about $350/month [19:13] 15mbit up would be delightful [19:13] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:14] thumbs: cheaper than a T3 but that's still an awful price for residential internet [19:14] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:14] rraindown (rraindown@95.150.19.121) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [19:15] RAID1 + LVM was pretty simple to setup :D [19:15] artaud (~Artaud@187.68.57.56) joined ##slackware. [19:15] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [19:15] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@173-18-62-17.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Changing host [19:15] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [19:15] artaud (~Artaud@187.68.57.56) left irc: Changing host [19:15] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [19:16] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:16] Has anyone else been experiencing black screens after games running fullscreen close on 13.1? [19:17] which games? [19:18] mfillpot: running wormux recently in fullscreen without issues. [19:19] I have been getting it from warzone2100, lightyears and urbanterror, all of which I maintain.. They working under 13.0, so I think it may be an issue with the proprietary nvidia driver on the new kernel [19:19] mfillpot: likely. [19:20] thumbs, I has happened in the past with the nvidia drivers, but I want to confirm if it is just me before sbo submissions open up and I submit the updates [19:20] mfillpot: oh, this is on a 12.2 laptop, heh, sorry. [19:20] mfillpot: 2.6.29 [19:21] thumbs, that is ok, I will definately hear about it if anyone else get the same problems [19:21] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [19:21] rapid (~rapid@c211-28-201-107.dandn3.vic.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [19:21] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [19:21] mfillpot: I will upgrade to 13.1 on it at some point, and I'll let you know. [19:21] mfillpot: just fired-up urban terror, working fine here on Slackware 13.1 [19:22] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:22] hitest, thank you for trying, so it is restricted to my setup [19:22] you might wanna ask for feedback on slackbuilds-users lists. post the scripts maybe [19:22] Action: dustybin wonders why people play games.. [19:22] mfillpot: you're welcome:) [19:23] all that I listed are for my son but urbanterror, that is definately for me. [19:23] jgeboski (James@97.72.86.194) left ##slackware. [19:23] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [19:23] sahko, I may do that later on [19:23] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [19:24] if i use a slackbuild on slackware 64, do i need to edit and change some stuff to use 64-bit ? [19:24] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) joined ##slackware. [19:24] Nick change: slackid -> Guest47897 [19:25] dustybin: a good SlackBuild script is written so that it creates a package for 32-bit as well as 64-bit Slackware [19:25] aye nice :D [19:25] dustybin, the older scripts need you to change the arch, but the new template that is in use in a few scripts auto-detects architecture. [19:25] Older scripts may require you to set the ARCH explicitly, modern (13.1) scripts autodetect architecture [19:25] ace :D [19:25] Hehe [19:26] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:26] im currently building my 2nd linux home serve to replace my old debian box, my debian box has been with me for 4+ years [19:27] im upgrading to slackware :D [19:27] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:27] alienBOB: im curious, what de/wm do you use on the netbook? kde? [19:27] dustybin, have you poked around and read the scripts in slackbuilds to see how you can customize them? [19:27] mfillpot: briefly, it will take me a while to get used to everything [19:27] sahko: KDE indeed [19:28] isnt it slow? [19:28] No [19:28] KDE4 is faster and more memory friendly than KDE3 was [19:28] nice [19:28] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [19:28] i never used kde3, didnt like qt3 at all [19:29] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [19:29] I did not like the looks of KDE3 either [19:29] dustybin, read the scripts you wish to use, you may find things that you will want to modify. [19:29] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Too much like a bad MS Windows [19:29] my friend prefers KDE3 [19:29] coming from using windows all her life, that is. [19:29] alienBOB, did you read about the future inclusion of full tiling in KDE4? [19:29] windows 3.1? :p [19:30] mfillpot: yes [19:30] I can't wait for 4.5 to make it on current so we can test it [19:30] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:30] I think the 4.5 beta has tiling already [19:30] O it will take a while for KDE 4.5 to go into -current [19:30] that and webkit in konqueror (or even completely replacing khtml) are the most exciting features [19:30] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [19:31] I think I will have packages first, to play with [19:31] alienBOB, it does, but the setup and compile time for KDE is too intimidating for me to test on my machine [19:31] alienBOB, will you be sharing them in your repo when you get them built? [19:31] mfillpot: I have been compiling KDE versions for two architectures on my Athlon64 3200+ ... [19:31] mfillpot: of course [19:32] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:32] But right now, I plan on updating a lot of packages in my own repository, and that will take time too [19:32] alienBOB, it may be late, but thanks again for all of your work on 64-bit and everything else [19:32] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [19:33] does that mean parts of alienBOB are in the corner of my room :-S [19:33] yeah, that deserves a big thank you [19:33] :D [19:33] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:35] phoenix^ (fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware ("I guess i had to go to that place to get to this one...."). [19:36] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:36] mininessie (~601f106a@gateway/web/freenode/x-gjxqvcqrnjkfvoxj) joined ##slackware. [19:37] is this distro any good [19:37] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:37] alienBOB, RE: KDE, would it be possible to compile KDE4.5beta using the sbuild scripts in 13.1 and the new sources? [19:37] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [19:37] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [19:38] mininessie, if it wasn't then we wouldn't be using it [19:38] mfillpot: no [19:38] mininessie: not a smart question [19:38] so I guess that means custom modifications are necessary, maybe this can present a good challenge [19:38] mfillpot: well i am technically going to try salix which based on slackware [19:39] Well then good luck and head out for #salix then. This is ##slackware [19:39] mfillpot: every new version of KDE 4.x was a search mission for updated and new dependencies, and patch requirements [19:40] mininessie, it looks like it is based upon the core, but has a lot of user-friendly add-ons that we wouldn't know about in here [19:40] Between 4.4 and 4.5 a lot has changed, and looking at the packagers mailing list, there are a lot of compilation issues still [19:41] alienBOB, then it is probably out of my range at this time, since you are the compiler god then I will wait to see how you get it working [19:41] mfillpot: I did not say you could not do it :-) [19:42] mfillpot, it's just a matter of compiling the right dependencies in the right order. alienBOB just happens to be good at it because he pays attention to detail [19:43] alienBOB, once the word patch is added it scares me away, but I will try based upon your words [19:43] mininessie (~601f106a@gateway/web/freenode/x-gjxqvcqrnjkfvoxj) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:43] mfillpot: it only takes a few successes to get over the inertia. [19:43] mfillpot: afterwards, it's easy. [19:43] I will start trying it tonight then [19:44] mfillpot: hmmm I lost half a day trying to build this package [19:45] paul424: what package? [19:45] i have been with slack for many years and many things still confuse me, but time means nothing compared to the knowledge gained. [19:45] that's where slackware rules - in the learning experience :) [19:45] kde 4.5 [19:46] I see the words "kernel patch" and decide whichever feature I wanted is not important [19:46] BojanN (~bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) joined ##slackware. [19:46] not to mention the stability with released versions [19:46] mfillpot: here's some guideline http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Generic [19:46] nah - kernel patch is nothing more than an extra step [19:46] alisonken1home: I don't like to even open up the kernel config [19:46] I'm allergic to messing with my kernel [19:46] that's the interesting part - finding out what the kernel can do [19:46] mfillpot: better start at ./source/kde/KDE.SlackBuild ;-) [19:47] and that's why you keep the original kernel in the boot list :) [19:47] saved my butt more than once [19:47] finding out what it can do? more like finding unique ways I can break it [19:47] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.22.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [19:47] thank you all, I am switching machines now to start the research and build on my desktop. [19:47] that's part of the learnign [19:47] learning [19:48] as noted by much more learned men - you learn more from mistakes and failures than you ever learn from successes [19:49] well.. I don't have the patience to do small steps, so I never figure out what I actually busted [19:49] mako-dono (~mako@81.22.30.189) joined ##slackware. [19:49] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:51] the point is that slackware teaches you to be self-sufficient. [19:51] that's what I love about it. [19:52] I've learned lots from slackware :) I appreciate all its done for me (and the community).. I just won't touch some things [19:53] toast10101 (~toast1010@ip70-179-151-207.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [19:54] thumbs: how does slackware teach you to be self sufficient? [19:54] pi31415, it doesn't do dependency checking in the supported package manager, plus you get the slackbuilds so you can see how the programs were built [19:55] as well as the sources used for the installed packages [19:55] pi31415: to efficiently manage your system, you must understand how it works. [19:55] pi31415: it forces users to make an effort. Explore. [19:55] thumbs: well, you can get by fine without understanding as well. I guess there has to be some there, but not totally [19:55] so do LFS and Gentoo [19:56] there is nothing stopping a user from exploring Fedora [19:56] didn't you get your swiss army knife, 10 meters of nylon cord, waterproof matches, and binoculars with your Slackware DVD? [19:56] no - gentoo requires you to compile the program before installing - slackware only does that with 3rd party slackbuilds.org. we won't get into slackpkg [19:56] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:56] what slackware ships without ductape these days? [19:56] pi31415: I like the convenience of slackware, and it's flexibility. Gentoo is too much work, and LFS? heh? [19:57] ducttape only comes with the subscription package [19:57] alisonken1home: so, by not compiling a program, you get to understand the system better? [19:57] BP{k}: the downloaded kind :( [19:57] thumbs: LFS = Linux From Scratch [19:57] pi31415: um, I'm not new to the game. [19:57] pi31415: It's far too much work for me. [19:58] excellent [19:58] Linux server 2.6.33.4 #2 SMP Wed May 12 22:31:33 CDT 2010 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU 530 @ 2.93GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [19:58] I did not know what you meant by the question mark [19:58] pi31415: it was partial sarcasm. [19:58] pi31415, you get to play with the program while learning how it was compiled - plus you can recompile it if you want [19:59] alisonken1home: but you are not allowed to recompile programs in Fedora? [19:59] alphad (~alphad@196.201.85.201) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:59] don't know - havent used a rh product since 3.5 [19:59] BojanN (~bojan@tk91-30-wi.ninet.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:00] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:00] pi31415, you can recompile anything in any distro. slackware is just makes it more accessible [20:01] I feel like some discourage it.. not installing d/ type tools stock :P [20:01] hiptobecubic: that is true, SlackBuild is simpler than emerge, rpmbuild, pkgsrc, etc. [20:01] ubuntu doesn't come with gcc [20:01] last i checked, at least [20:02] hiptobecubic: yeah, the default packages don't include gcc. [20:02] it's trivial to install it, but you know. it's the thought that counts [20:02] centos doesn't install gcc/make/etc by default [20:02] hiptobecubic: it's eally funny. [20:02] I have noticed that the scripts on SlackBuilds.org use a few more variables than they used to [20:02] pi31415, dealing with new ARCHs [20:02] inflation [20:02] and it was a pain in the ass to figure out how to install packages off the dvd.. they aren't sorted into nice categories like slack [20:02] hiptobecubic: and new favorite compressors of the day [20:03] economists predict that given the rates of inflation, slackbuilds will have 10% more variables by 2012 [20:03] pi31415, just regular old makepkg [20:03] mancha: will it comes with a ponies variable? [20:03] hiptobecubic: the makepkg invocation in the slackbuild scripts formerly hard coded the file extension, but now a variable is used [20:04] to appease the growingly boisterous .txz zealots [20:04] allows for tgz or txz depending on what format you want [20:04] hiptobecubic: did you get your problems sorted? biobase install? [20:04] i imagine at some point they may decide to put defaults in a common configuration file [20:04] raela, yes. had some environment issues unrelated to R [20:04] you should catch em on the mailing list, they're out for blood [20:04] hiptobecubic: awesome. glad you figured it out [20:04] it could start to look more like bsd ports/packages [20:06] _guitarman_ (~guitarman@d207-81-93-133.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:10] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2788.async.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [20:10] stormtracknole (~stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [20:11] http://code.google.com/p/compcache/ [20:11] This is awesome. I can use RAM as swap! [20:14] I dont get it [20:14] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [20:14] Scuzz_ (~scuzz@s72-38-129-46.static.comm.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] you use swap when you dont have enough ram, but this uses your ram for swap :| [20:15] and your processor [20:15] andarius: must have been developed by barnum :) [20:15] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Disconnected by services [20:15] lol [20:15] Nick change: Scuzz_ -> Scuzz [20:16] okay.. so I'm not the only one who didn't understand. I thought i was just being a newb.. heh [20:16] NyteOwl, sure it wasn't a rube golberg inspiration? :) [20:16] wavescan (~mark@pool-72-94-19-205.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:18] pi31415, are you saying it takes the load off the CPU somehow? [20:19] would somebody help me troubleshoot my wireless connection? [20:19] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:19] wavescan: you need to give much more information than that [20:19] well i've already read alienbob's wiki page on setting up wireless adapters [20:20] wavescan, did you try using wicd in extra/ ? [20:20] I've been editing my rc.inet1.conf file for the past 2 days and i still cant get it working [20:20] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:20] does wicd install by default if you do the full installation? [20:20] does trying wireless without touching rc.inet1.conf work? [20:20] wavescan, nothing in extra/ is installed by default [20:21] juan--d-1-b (~Juan@190.27.11.197) joined ##slackware. [20:21] that's why it's "extra" [20:21] no because my routers have encryption anyway [20:21] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon148780.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [20:21] er? you can connect to encrypted without editing that file [20:22] wavescan, try installing wicd, add your user to the netdev group, logout, login, and see how it works for you [20:22] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:22] wicd has both a gui and an ncurses terminal interface, so you can try it from outside a gui as well [20:22] like rulevel 3 [20:22] raela how would it know what my key is unless i specify [20:23] clavius2 (James@166.sub-75-216-17.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [20:23] wavescan: by running a command.. [20:23] oh yeah that was the first thing i did [20:23] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:23] wavescan, raela uses a custom wpa_supplicant.conf file that contains multiple ap encryptions in it [20:23] before i started editing the inet1.conf [20:23] wavescan: wep can be done directly though iwconfig, wpa/wpa2 can be done by sticking the key in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf and running wpa_supplicant [20:24] yeah i saw that in the wiki and tried all of it [20:24] are you just trying to automate? or can't connect at all? [20:24] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:24] either way, if you have the extra/ tree, you should try wicd [20:25] havent been able to connect at all, and Ive tried both of my routers, with wpa2 aes, wep and security disabled [20:25] i'll try wicd now [20:25] how did you try to connect when you didn't have encryption? [20:27] I set the inet1.conf file to use dhcp, told it the essid name and commented out the key part [20:27] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [20:27] I used to build custom routers in a previous job and used wpa_supplicant.conf files all of the time. then I found wicd was easier for my laptop [20:27] is the wireless network there? try `iwlist scanning` on the box [20:28] I suggest going the wicd route. I tried setting up my wireless manually and I utterly failed. Wicd has been pretty solid for me though. [20:28] or "iwlist scan" should work as well [20:28] maybe i should change the mode from "managed" to "master [20:28] the scan said they are set to master [20:28] let's try to connect without the files for now [20:28] wavescan, the ap side uses master, the client side uses managed [20:28] T3slider (~T3slider@unaffiliated/t3slider) joined ##slackware. [20:28] try `iwconfig $dev essid $essid` [20:29] $dev being eth1, wlan0, whatever it showed as [20:29] once you do that, `dhcpcd $dev` [20:30] it worked, and i pinged google.com just to check [20:30] raela, proper form now - it's $(dhcpcd $dev) :) [20:31] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:31] alisonken1home: oh come on! I'm not CS/IT/whatever! I'm like someone who only knows the slang [20:31] wavescan: good :) so from there, it's just figuring out the autoconfigs.. so, wicd might be best for you. good luck with it! [20:32] raela, :) gotcha [20:32] wicd just fails when you have to setup more then one interface at the same time. For the rest it is just great [20:32] raela: I'll make a note of what you posted. I don't think I did that way when I first tried it. Good job. [20:32] alisonken1home: it's a useful excuse! and probably is bs :) but I have no "formal" computer education [20:32] will wicd override whatever i've set in my inet1.conf or do i need to worry about resetting that file to its default state [20:32] guax, hmm - I don't have that issue with my setup [20:32] raela, neither do I - I just read pv's notes [20:32] Nick change: Guest47897 -> slackid [20:32] alisonken1home: reading? what? I don't know how to do that [20:33] wavescan, wicd baically replaces rc.inet1.conf - since that's only used at boot time mainly. wicd is more user-space oriented [20:33] ohdannyboy (~dan@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] stormtracknole: yeah, wanted to make sure the module was loaded and wireless working okay before worrying about fancy things beyond that [20:33] rc.inet1.conf is still there, but wicd takes over the functions while allowing you to switch between wired/wireless networks easier [20:33] ohdannyboy (~dan@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:34] alisonken1home, i usually set two interfaces to make the asterisk tests [20:34] then i have to stop the wicd daemon and put things up by hand [20:34] guax, ok - wicd is more of an end-user setup rather than a dual-nic setup [20:34] xsamurai (~munki@unaffiliated/xsamurai) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:34] alisonken1home: though.. $() vs. `` notation is probably a small point. I guess I don't know the finer difference [20:34] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:35] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] raela, `` can be confused with '' if you don't look closely - with interesting results. $() is easier to see what the difference is [20:35] raela: How to you handle the encryption keys? I might have missed that part of your explanation. [20:35] stormtracknole, check the rc.inet1.conf and man rc.inet1.conf - it tells you how to put in keys [20:35] alisonken1home: ah, okay. yeah, I know `` vs ''. but, I'm too lazy.. $() requires extra keystrokes and shift :) [20:35] i've always wondered, is there anyone who doesn't get error messages upon quitting xorg [20:36] I don't seem to get them [20:36] at least none that I notice [20:36] stormtracknole: how alisonken1home suggested is one way, but I don't actually do it like that. I tell rc.inet1.conf to use wpa_supplicant, then put the keys in wpa_supplicant.conf [20:36] wavescan: I get some, but they're just the programs I left open telling me I yanked away their X [20:37] I usually close programs before I quit x [20:37] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:37] old habits [20:37] I am totally lazy :P [20:37] alisonken1home and raela, thank you both for your help. :-) [20:37] np [20:38] stormtracknole: I just played with things, and used alienBOB's wiki (http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network#wireless_configuration_in_rc.inet1.conf), but if you have further questions, I can look at my configs [20:38] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:39] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.45) joined ##slackware. [20:40] FreeArch (~Arch@189.59.53.16.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:41] Thanks raela. I had looked at AlenBob's wiki, but at the time, I was very new at using wireless cards. I eventually got it working, but with wicd. lol I just really didn't have much time to tinker around with it. I have to say that wicd has been pretty solid for me. [20:42] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-121-108.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:42] FreeArch (Arch@189.59.53.16.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("ArchLinux OWNS!"). [20:42] van_ (~van@79.107.210.228) left irc: Quit: http://v4nelle.dyndns.org [20:42] stormtracknole: I've never tried wicd myself.. for awhile, I actually had my own bash scripts for each wireless network I'd use, and I'd execute those as necessary. I just recently switched to all under on config a few months ago [20:44] is there a functional difference between "terminal" and "konsole"? [20:44] konsole is the kde gui version of a terminal [20:44] other than the fact that konsole is part of kde [20:45] yeah [20:45] different terminals have different features [20:45] terminal is the generic term for "command line interface" - a holdover from when the primary means of input to a computer was via a tty terminal [20:45] doesn't xfce just call its term "terminal" though? [20:46] since vtd (or visual terminal device) took over the terminal function, different ones used different commands to produce different screen/keyboard setups depending on the computer it was talking to [20:46] or is that too much history for the question? :) [20:46] That's very interesting raela. I took wicd for a spin recently, and compared to NetworkManager, I think wicd wins hands down. [20:46] xfce allows you to set the default terminal if I recall [20:47] among other de's as well [20:47] confirmed, it does :) [20:47] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [20:47] alisonken1home: had never heard of the vtd.. nice [20:47] I just mean by default, there is one called terminal [20:47] raela, it's what happens when you live through history :) [20:47] yes [20:47] though that could just be the label [20:48] stormtracknole: I just like to make my life more difficult :) [20:48] and it's vdt not vtd :) [20:48] sorry - you're correct - got sidetracked - video terminal device vdt [20:48] vtd [20:48] alisonken1home: bah.. I'm just one of them young whippersnappers. haven't seen so many things :P [20:48] :) [20:48] raela, heh... ;-) [20:48] gah - now I'm mixing them up [20:48] bah, now you just went and confused me [20:49] slackytude|foo (~slacky@f051169220.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [20:50] vdt - video terminal device [20:50] video display terminal - gah [20:50] either way. there were boxen, with this terminal things, and it did stuff [20:50] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_display_terminal - down at the Text Terminal sectoin [20:51] section [20:51] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [20:51] bad day for typing it seems like [20:53] slackytude|evil (~slacky@g228008034.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:53] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.34.56.123) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [20:53] eh, well, I somewhat understand the terminals of today, kind of.. good enough for me [20:53] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [20:54] well, you don't have to understand electron flow in order to use electricity, or how internal combustion works in order to drive a car [20:55] terminology is somewhat important, though.. telling someone to open a term to run a command, or saying something went wrong in one.. better than "well there were white letters and they did something" :P [20:55] heh [20:56] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:56] edthix (~ed@110.159.93.157) joined ##slackware. [20:57] what is the preferred method for installing software from /extra anyway? I'm about to do it the slow way, like tar zxvf make install, etc. am i missing something? [20:57] wavescan, cd extra/ ; installpkg *.txz [20:57] extra/ is precompiled - not like src/ directory stuff [20:58] where *.txz is the package you want to install [20:58] ok good [20:59] keep in mind, some extra/ actually contains multiple packages, so unless you _really_ want to install _all_ of the packages in that directory, explicitly state which *.txz to install [20:59] NeanT (~me@188.27.115.220) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:00] one example is the extra/xf86-video-intel-alternate directory contains 4 packages of the same driver - just different versions. you don't want to install _all_ of those :) [21:01] slackpkg works with /extra also. [21:01] alisonken1home: those have been removed in 13.1 [21:01] stormtracknole, correct. if he was using slackpkg. but based on his questions, I don't think he has used slackpkg yet [21:01] sahko, nice to know [21:01] but I should find out tonight when I upgrade :) [21:01] yeah i havent used slackpkg, only slackbuilds.org [21:02] Method of least resistance for me. ;-) [21:02] alisonken1home: heh, I've been on slack for 6 years and haven't used slackpkg yet. it will happen soon, though [21:02] slackpkg is good. I use RHEL quite a bit for work, so I'm used to yum. [21:02] slackpkg is good for keeping your current _official_ packages up to date. not always the best when doing a dist upgrade. [21:02] I had centos 5.4 on a workstation for 2 weeks.. I didn't like it and switched to slack [21:02] and it only works well on the official repo stuff [21:03] I've never kept up with updates, alisonken1home. I install stock and keep it there [21:03] I run current, and it works well considering. Still, have to read the changelog though. [21:03] raela, it's more of an install a package you didn't originally install or when a security update comes out [21:03] from the original repo [21:04] true [21:04] stormtracknole, true :) [21:04] I know. I've never kept up with security updates [21:04] Correct, not 3rd party repo support. [21:04] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [21:04] that's what sbopkg is for [21:04] I use sbopkg which really, really rocks! [21:04] i run current without any problems [21:04] except when i fiddle with things beyond my comprehension [21:04] alisonken1home :-) Beat me to it. [21:04] hiptobecubic, some of us are gluttons for punishment :) [21:04] or masochists :) [21:05] I liked the package manager in arch linux but i don't like the fact that you have to constantly update everything [21:05] wavescan, you don't. [21:05] if you want to install some new package it wont do it correctly unless you do pacman -Syu beforehand [21:05] or else it gives you some error [21:05] if you haven't updated in a while [21:05] Using yum in fedora...shesh...talk about updating constantly. [21:06] Nick change: juan--d-1-b -> juan--d-_-b [21:06] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@190.27.11.197) left irc: Changing host [21:06] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [21:07] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:09] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [21:10] when I made my Slackware 13.1 DVD at 8x, finally it worked [21:10] ah [21:10] finally [21:10] Action: dchmelik is trying KDE4 in it but thinks I will dislike it again [21:11] kde4 takes some getting used to - it's almost like switching between gnome and kde in changes [21:11] kde3 that is [21:11] edthix (~ed@110.159.93.157) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:11] but once you get used to it, it's not that bad [21:14] MrManager (~mark@pool-72-94-19-205.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:15] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.205) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:15] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.4) joined ##slackware. [21:16] wavescan (~mark@pool-72-94-19-205.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:16] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:26] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:28] darkrho (~darkrho@190.107.34.205) joined ##slackware. [21:28] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:28] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-121-108.acanac.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] phrag (phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left ##slackware. [21:30] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [21:32] pupiteee (~p@77.46.242.72) joined ##slackware. [21:33] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:33] hi :) [21:33] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [21:34] bash weirdness, if anyone cares to take a look & explain: http://pastebin.ca/1874621 [21:35] edthix (~ed@110.159.93.157) joined ##slackware. [21:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [21:38] Urchlay: bash is behaving, it's your assumption that's in error [21:38] what assumption is that? [21:38] line 1 has foo & bar separated by a space [21:38] line 4 has foo & bar separated by a newline [21:38] not true [21:39] take a look. Both commands have 'echo $n', and in both cases it appears as 'foo bar' [21:39] yep. that's where you went wrong [21:39] in which case, I would expect the 'echo ${n/ /_}' to operate identically on them [21:39] do 'echo "$n"' [21:39] alpha, i'll beg to differ, i think both n's have a space between foo and bar :) [21:39] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:40] well no, echo "$n" is doing what alphageek says: foo\nbar [21:40] beg all you want. still incorrect [21:40] n="$( echo -n foo; echo -n " "; echo -n bar )"; echo $n; echo ${n/ /_} [21:40] right, $n really does have an embedded \n [21:41] ok, i capitulate! :) [21:41] alpha's still alpha heh [21:41] [off] I just want to state here that i love ssh tunnels. thanks. [21:41] :) [21:41] now all's I need is to figure out how to specify the \n in the ${n/ /_} construct (no, ${n/\n/_} doesn't work) [21:42] didn't expect it to really [21:43] herbz (kat@tokes.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:44] did you try echo -e ${n/\n/_} [21:44] ? [21:44] did you try echo -e "${n/\n/_}" [21:44] yah, I did [21:44] still doesn't work [21:44] wait, not with -e [21:45] but no, it doesn't work with -e [21:45] ok [21:45] then you may have to use something like ^v^M in vi to put the character in there [21:45] hoobop, no that it adds load to the cpu [21:46] dimm0k (~dimm0k@pool-98-113-53-189.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:46] is there a way to set all windows to a set opacity level in the new kde? [21:46] heh, ^v^j actually works [21:47] heh [21:47] my guess is because bash substitution is simple, whereas sed/tr have a little more smarts behind it [21:48] *nod* [21:48] l [21:48] heh, and if I hit the up arrow to recall the command, my embedded newline is getting morphed into a space, so I can't just press enter again to do it again [21:48] pupiteee (~p@77.46.242.72) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [21:48] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:48] not that it matters, this will end up in a one-line script [21:49] anyone here familiar with the dwm source on SBo? [21:49] i forgot: what is user 1000? [21:49] Nick change: SigmaVirus24 -> Guest56160 [21:49] dchmelik, typically the first user created after installing [21:49] user 1000 gets a trip for 2 to caribbean [21:49] by default [21:49] Nick change: Guest56160 -> sigmavirus24 [21:50] that is weird, my first user seems to not be in my /etc/group yet.... [21:50] except that vim for obscure reasons is converting my ^v^j keystrokes into an embedded NUL, not a \n [21:51] In regards to echo -e "${n/ /_}"...is there a way to perform a substitution on all occurences? [21:51] neonflux, use tr [21:51] neonflux: ${n// /_} [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FEAA.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] the // means do it globally [21:51] ah - missed that one [21:51] Urchlay: thank you [21:52] hm. Apparently bash can't do what I want the way I want to do it [21:52] echo ${n/ [21:52] /_} [21:52] (minus the space in front of the 2nd line) [21:52] you can't embed a literal newline in the replacement [21:53] whole point of this exercise is for me to teach myself how to use bash's extended string manipulation stuff, instead of constantly calling sed and tr for trivial stuff [21:53] Urchlay: here's some fun [21:53] #!/bin/sh [21:53] n="$( echo foo; echo bar )"; echo "$n"; echo -e ${n/ [21:53] wups, bad paste [21:53] Urchlay: exactly what I'm trying to do [21:54] Urchlay, however, stripping newlines is not exactly trivial :) [21:54] would someone with this file please pastebin its contents? /usr/lib/pkgconfig/mozilla-gtkmozembed-embedding.pc [21:54] lib64 if on 64 bit... [21:54] #!/bin/sh [21:54] n="$( echo foo; echo bar )"; echo "$n"; echo -e ${n/ [21:54] /_} [21:54] yeah, that's exactly what I just tried [21:54] yoyoned1 (~todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] ^ try that in a script (not the commandline) [21:55] works here in 32/13.0 & 32/13.1 (bash 3.x & 4.x, respectively) [21:55] yah, that does work [21:55] Urchlay, ah - thought you were doing that in a script [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488E5CD.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] I was, but the script (I just discovered) had a typo [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] stormtracknole (stormtrac@adsl-072-148-017-155.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [21:55] mancha: http://pastebin.ca/1874627 [21:56] (what I get for typing it instead of copying from the cmd line where I'd been typing it interactively) [21:56] troy (~troy@dsl-69-172-121-108.acanac.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:57] neon, many thanks. [21:57] slackytude|foo (~slacky@f051169220.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:57] neon, is there a way you could pastebin the contents of your xulrunner package? /var/log/packages/xulrunner* [21:57] np [21:58] neonflux: you pinged me yesterday? [21:58] (on #slackbuilds) [21:58] anyway, thanks [21:59] Action: Urchlay returns to idle obscurity (or obscure idleness) [22:00] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) joined ##slackware. [22:00] mancha: http://pastebin.ca/1874629 [22:00] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [22:00] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@h80ad2788.async.vt.edu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [22:01] niels_horn: I was just curious about your issues with LDView? [22:01] neon, excellent, i think i can piece together what i screwed up with this info :) [22:01] niels_horn: eg. doesn't compile on 13.1 and nvidia issues? [22:01] woops, one last one, (promise), contents of libxul-embedding-unstable.pc [22:01] as referenced by the .pc you first posted [22:02] sigmavirus24 (WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [22:02] pupiteee (~p@77.46.170.196) joined ##slackware. [22:02] neonflux: ah ok... I contacted the author and he fixed something in the source to circumvent a bug in QT4 [22:02] (at least that was his explanation...) [22:03] I have a new SlackBuild ready for submission :) [22:03] mancha: http://pastebin.ca/1874631 [22:03] yoyoned1 (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:03] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:04] neon, ok, next beer's on me :) [22:04] Xenius[xchat] (~Xenius@81.18.126.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:04] :) [22:04] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-66-243-235-236.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [22:04] danke schoen, this is gonna help. i wasn't looking forward to recompiling this monster... [22:05] yeah, it is one of those pain in the ass builds....takes forever [22:05] neonflux: this was already in his unstable svn-trunk, but he explained which line to use as a patch for the stable version. I included it as a patch in the new SlackBuild [22:06] niels_horn: I was curious as I got LDView from 13.0 repo to build on 13.1 VM [22:06] as well with nvidia installed [22:06] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:09] neonflux: I see. If you want the new SlackBuild, it's on my site (a bit hidden though) [22:10] niels_horn: nah...I'll just look at them when they are uploaded and approved at SBo [22:10] neonflux: ok :) [22:11] I have to get some of my packages ready for 13.1 [22:11] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:14] edthix (ed@110.159.93.157) left ##slackware. 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[22:25] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [22:26] no - that's a script for the startup sequence of the de that you want - not just a file [22:26] if you want to touch it for a test, that's fine, just don't select it since it's an empty file [22:26] yeah i'll not touch it then lol [22:28] I used the SBo versions and everything so I was surprised that it didn't show up [22:28] like I said, you can touch it, then logout and see if kwm will give it as an option - just don't select it [22:28] then remove it so you don't forget later [22:30] ok [22:30] you may have to kill X (ctl-alt-backspace) to get it to reread, but it's still worth a shot as a learning exercise if nothing else [22:31] well it's kdm that does the reading [22:31] i'd apparently need the appropriate .desktop file in /usr/share/apps/kdm/sessions [22:31] true - but killing X also restarts kwm [22:31] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-085-016-097-081.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [22:32] possibly [22:32] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:32] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:32] idk, i just found this: http://vcn.bc.ca/~dugan/setting-up-slackware.html [22:33] phroggy (~phroggy@webwizardry.net) joined ##slackware. [22:34] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [22:34] nice cliff notes version :) [22:34] yeah [22:34] hi all. I'm trying to move a Slackware 12.0 system to new hardware, and apparently I need an eepro1000 driver, which 12.0 doesn't include. I'd prefer not to upgrade the OS at this point. How can I obtain that driver? [22:34] i'm flipping through slackbook alisonken1home [22:36] phroggy: use e100 instead, if 12.0 has it (it does I think) [22:36] that didn't seem to work [22:36] the catch is, the server is 1300 miles away and I've got a friend of mine doing the hardware upgrades for me [22:36] eh, or e1000, if it exists (do you need eepro100, two zeroes, or eepro1000, 3 of them?) [22:36] 3 of them [22:37] see if e1000 exists then [22:37] (doubt it) [22:37] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [22:37] yeah, e1000 exists [22:38] but he said he tried loading it with modprobe, and it didn't work. [22:38] ah [22:39] was he a bit more specific as to the error message and/or dmesg stuff? [22:39] and of course, when you're working on a server 1300 miles away, the one driver that's not gonna work has to be the network driver. [22:39] wdyy (~yy64@123.80.82.112) joined ##slackware. [22:39] he said he didn't see an error on console, probably didn't look in dmesg. [22:39] thats why you setup a serial console access setup :) [22:39] yeah.. unfortunately I don't have that. [22:40] well if he can't type the commands you tell him to, and read you the results, you'll never get this done [22:40] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.34.56.123) joined ##slackware. [22:41] well yeah :-P [22:42] supenguin (~supenguin@d60-65-213-230.col.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [22:43] Prefect (~Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [22:46] TriniTuX_ (~clayton@cuscon128260.tstt.net.tt) joined ##slackware. [22:46] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:46] TriniTuX_ (~clayton@cuscon128260.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Client Quit [22:49] TriniTuX (~clayton@cuscon148780.tstt.net.tt) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:50] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] http://www.cs.utah.edu/flux/fluke/html/inevitability.htm [22:53] Wow, this dude ripped holes in the security strategies of ipsec, java, kerberos, and ssl back in *1998*. I am but an egg. [22:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:56] 1998, huh? [22:56] aha! Apparently he figured it out. He deleted stuff under /etc/udev/rules.d, which I've never even looked at before [22:56] pretty much a guarantee that 'mainstream operating systems' is pronounced 'microsoft windows' then :) [22:57] gh (~gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: Quit: .. [22:57] windows did not even have kerberos in 1998 [22:58] point [22:59] what is that SlackBuild that lets you hum into the computer and it will change it to MIDI? [22:59] I seem to remember they tried 'enhancing' kerberos a year or 2 later, though [22:59] dchmelik, u funny [22:59] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Read error: No route to host [23:00] o/~ daisy daisy, lala lala trala [23:00] dchmelik, did you look at slackbuilds.org under audio? [23:01] I was looking through SBopkg [23:02] actually I think of a lot of tunes that are too complex for me to track easily in a tracker [23:02] alisonken1home: i think i solved part of one problem [23:02] with the dwm install [23:02] but i'm not sure about anything else lol [23:02] heh [23:03] part being the kwm detecting the initrc.dwm file? [23:03] no [23:03] part knowing i have to find where dwm puts its .desktop file [23:03] what part then? [23:03] ah [23:03] yeah [23:03] and then adding that to the kdmrc SessionsPath [23:04] just another step in learning [23:04] yeah [23:05] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@99.96.207.156) joined ##slackware. [23:05] oh well [23:05] dchmelik, do them on a music keyboard first to get more familiar with them [23:05] i'll annoy my genius brother tomorrow [23:05] and he'll be like "YOU IDIOT IT TAKES ONE COMMAND!" [23:06] lol [23:06] I would not be able to play at the skill level of some of the stuff I think of [23:06] thanks for the help alisonken1home [23:06] gnight all [23:06] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:08] linuxgoob (linuxgoob@99.96.207.156) left ##slackware. [23:09] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [23:10] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [23:12] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: é nois que voa bruxão [23:14] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:15] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:17] i switched to slackware to get good performance when i bought my netbook [23:17] and ... ? [23:17] i just remembered that [23:17] it worked [23:18] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [23:18] yep - why I stuck with it all these years [23:18] AEnima1577 (~clbarnob@cpe-071-068-037-030.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:19] hackeron (~hackeron@cpc3-seve19-2-0-cust263.13-3.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:19] i had already run an older version on a low end laptop [23:20] i think what i ran before was slower, but it took less tinkering [23:21] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:21] Any issues getting Slack installed on the Netbook? Installing from ext optical drive? [23:22] I've been thinking of installing Slack on a netbook whenever I get one. [23:22] for me, beta drivers, buggy bios [23:24] supenguin: i would just look into the hardware to make sure it doesn't have known problems [23:24] supenguin: i'm assuming kde would be nice with the new netbook ui stuff [23:24] I had issues post-install with 32/13.0 on my new asus eeepc 1001p. kernel was old enough it couldn't talk to the wired _or_ wireless hardware [23:24] works perfectly with 32/13.1, though [23:24] I was actually considering running Blackbox or Fluxbox or maybe XFCE. [23:25] blackbox here. I try others but keep coming back [23:25] fvwm2 here [23:26] tried afterstep recently. can't figure out how to turn off all the shit that's clogging up the desktop. that didn't exactly impress me [23:26] bleeding|edge (~fire|bird@unaffiliated/firebird619) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:27] it's certainly pretty, but it gives me something like 900x500 usable on a 1024x600 display. wtf? [23:28] wdyy (~yy64@123.80.82.112) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:29] well, kde does everything i want and more, and i am in no way going to see an improvement in performance by switching to something more lightweight, so i stick with it [23:29] plus i love the "snapping" thing that they got from windows7 [23:30] wtf is that [23:30] I'm honestly not familiar with windows, so that description comes out as NULL [23:30] i think kde is not for netbooks [23:30] no it's not [23:30] kde certainly _works_ on the netbook, but personally I found it a bit heavy [23:30] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:31] although i installed it on mine, to try it out, its heavy :) [23:31] like alfagik says [23:31] :) [23:31] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [23:31] alphageek: right. i'd probably use something very minimal on a netbook. [23:31] wow. nick mangle fail [23:31] tab fail :) [23:31] alphageek: :P [23:31] shonudo: alphageek: you drag a window to the side of hte screen and it will resize it to take up that half of the screen [23:31] nice [23:32] so you can quickly split a wide screen between two windows without manually resizing [23:32] and since i have a 16:10 screen i use it constantly [23:32] 16:10? like those, 18.5" monitors? [23:32] it's 17". 1920x1200 [23:33] oh [23:33] ratpoison works like a charm on all types of monitors [23:33] it's the nicest laptop screen i've ever seen. [23:33] ratpoison? :) [23:33] my 17" laptops use 1440x900 [23:34] pupiteee, have you seen ratpoison de? [23:34] raela: that is what this one says it has on the sticker that came on it(well, before i peeled it off) and on the box. but they made a mistake at the factory [23:34] alisonken1home: no? [23:34] might want to look it up [23:34] and put this highdef screen on it. the resolution on my laptop is higher than on my roomates 52" tv [23:34] zaltekk: I've just never tried for more.. this works well enough for me.. but ohh, I see. nice! [23:34] I haven't used it but I've heard other people using it and seen some screenshots [23:34] just not some of those nasty stuff [23:35] http://omegageek.dyndns.org/temp/screenshots/osd.png < example of my netbook's display. blackbox 0.70.1, custom theme, wmsmixer, ascpu, asmem, wmnd, wmpower & the bigass green bar is displayed via xosd [23:35] http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Ratpoison-Screenshot-3960.html [23:36] a coule of screen shots [23:36] thanks [23:36] raela: yep. it was an amazing bang for the buck buy even at bestbuy [23:37] just to say, googling on netbooks with kde takes time. [23:37] cowyn (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:37] zaltekk: do you carry it around or use it as a desktop? [23:37] http://www.linuxgoodies.com/review_rat.html <-- review of ratpoison [23:37] carrying 17" laptops around is so much fun :P [23:38] yeah [23:38] raela: you must be though :P [23:38] I have one that goes with me to work each day.. and I ride the bus. get to do some walking, sometimes jogging with it [23:38] sahko: both [23:39] carry it over a shoulder, too, not in a backpack [23:39] sahko: i have a really nice 17" laptop bookback from the swiss army knife people. wegner or something i think. [23:39] alisonken1home: its like terminal in color [23:39] that too [23:39] i bought it since i am in college and i take my laptop to class every day to take notes and play some ksoduku in class [23:40] pupiteee, it's main claim to fame is lightweight - to the extreme [23:40] and still be a gui [23:41] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [23:41] ew, it forces terms to certain sizes? [23:41] yeah, it is gui, but im one of those types who likes some icons in gui :S [23:41] it resizes terminals to accomodate all open terminals onto the screen [23:42] I tile mine, but I have different sizes.. like a term for nicklistfifo in irssi [23:42] hmm. i keep my terminals tabbed [23:42] someone said it here, "first thing after going in kde is to open terminal" [23:42] or if they are remote i use screen [23:42] however, it's designed for low-spec systems - like a laptop with only 84M ram [23:42] I tab some, tile others [23:43] raela, it was you? did you? [23:43] i honestly only use kde because it looks pretty. i went for quite some time just using twm on openbsd and had no issues [23:43] ratpoison is gnu screen in a wm [23:43] i always at minimum have a webbrowser and terminal open at all times and don't use much else on a regular basis [23:43] pupiteee: I don't use kde :P first thing I do when I go into fluxbox is open several terminals and resize/move to where I want them [23:43] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [23:44] raela: thats it. guilty : [23:44] I want my borders to overlab exactly by one pixel, so they look like they have one border, not side by side.. [23:44] it takes a bit of time to get stuff exact ;/ [23:44] johndee (~id@95-29-181-73.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: time to hang out with morpheus [23:44] Action: pupiteee plays some 'white n nerdy' [23:45] it's all about the pentiums baby [23:47] phroggy (~phroggy@webwizardry.net) left irc: Quit: perl -e"push @x,ord()-32 for split'','Z=!;g&7?<:*5gI5:>oO&:;- c';split'','phroggy'x4;print chr^shift @_ for @x,109" [23:48] just remembered something, all my function keys work in kde, but not in xfce. how can i 'steal' those settings from kde to use in xfce? if thats doable? :S [23:49] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [23:49] straight function keys (F1 to F12) or laptop style hotkey combos (Fn-F1 to Fn-F12)? [23:49] fn-f1--- [23:50] depends on what you mean doable. you have to edit the keyboard settings. but i think using .Xmodmap also works [23:50] no idea. I jus wanted to clarify that point :) [23:50] +t [23:50] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:51] the later works with a .xinitrc [23:51] Action: pupiteee serves some coffee without sugar to alphageek [23:51] blech [23:51] Action: alisonken1home likes it that way :) [23:52] the only coffee I'll drink is Timmies. xl with 3 cream, 2 sugar [23:52] i had some feeling he doesnt [23:52] haha :P [23:52] otherwise I'm strictly a tea drinker [23:52] sahko: back to you [23:52] the later works with .xinitrc? [23:52] i need to edit xinitrc? [23:53] ~/.xinitrc - make sure you use the right one :) [23:53] theres more than one ways to do it. try searching the internet [23:54] yeah but this is a fantastic start [23:54] :) thanks [23:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [23:57] j4son (~j4son@j4son.org) joined ##slackware. [23:57] cli_ (~cowyn@li110-174.members.linode.com) joined ##slackware. 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