[00:00] That's what I hear. I haven't learned to use it yet. I'm going to start by dual-booting 4.6 from a small partition on my slackbox just to toy with it before even putting together the random parts that will compose my test server. [00:00] spook: err.. x start but window manager freeze [00:01] use it in qemu or whatnot, that's what I did [00:01] ajna: I like OpenBSD. It's a nice system, and the learning curve isn't too steep coming from Slackware. [00:01] The whole "slice" thing tripped me up for an hour or two, but I managed to get it installed. [00:01] hehe [00:01] danc3 (n=danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:01] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) joined ##slackware. [00:01] qwebirc20815 (i=442658c1@gateway/web/freenode/x-ncfuewmoijygcqcd) left irc: Client Quit [00:01] qwebirc47629 (i=442658c1@gateway/web/freenode/x-dumnuvsqonwsvxjf) joined ##slackware. [00:01] well isn't slackware based of bsd? [00:02] no [00:02] someone queue up the noobfarm post... [00:02] As of now, I've only used it in the terminal. It defaults to FWM2 and I don't know that windowing system. [00:02] hehehe [00:02] http://noobfarm.org/viewquote.php?id=446 [00:02] toastytoast. no. [00:03] They're both "very unix like" but not related. [00:03] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [00:04] OpenBSD is a - sort of - fork from NetBSD started by Theo de Raadt after he was kicked off of the NetBSD core dev team some years ago. [00:04] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:04] qwebirc47629 (i=442658c1@gateway/web/freenode/x-dumnuvsqonwsvxjf) left irc: Client Quit [00:04] Slackware dates back to some time around 1995. It's much older than OpenBSD and not based onit. [00:05] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) joined ##slackware. [00:05] openbsd is a unix [00:06] It's a unix; not unix like? [00:06] ok but the orginal bsd isn't it much older than slackware [00:06] hugleo (n=hugleo@unaffiliated/hugleo) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:06] not openbsd [00:06] 1993 [00:06] julyish [00:06] it is a unix, which is also unix-like [00:06] The actual "BSD" is was older than Slackware... [00:07] 1978? or 77? [00:07] ok thats what i thought but i also thought slackware had some orginal bsd things in but i geuss i was wrong [00:07] slackware is just the oldest of the currently active linux distros [00:07] Does anyone recall the year Torvald created the kernal? [00:07] slackware was based on sls [00:08] slackware, a linux distrib, is not a unix [00:08] 91 or 92 [00:08] 91 [00:08] Soft Landing System? [00:09] So BSD is much older than Linux. I never came across that fact before. [00:09] way older [00:09] 70s Vs early 90s [00:09] and AT&T UNIX is what BSD was based on [00:09] 22 hours without sleep [00:10] mohaa (n=mohaa@89.16.14.229) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:10] Drink more coffee. You have a long way to go before you beat the record. [00:10] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.185) joined ##slackware. [00:10] :D [00:10] 22 is child's play [00:11] 22 is childs play [00:11] record is 48 hours [00:11] lite weights. [00:11] oh you guys hear that sco is back [00:11] heard* [00:11] At the end of my organic chemistry final I was on 57 [00:11] no, they are still ddying [00:11] yeha but they reopend the lawsuit they lost [00:12] i did 48 without stimulants [00:12] granted i lost an entire day when i finally went to sleep [00:12] toastytoast: what are they funding it with [00:12] being douchebags and causing as much touble as they can before someone finally nails the coffin shut [00:12] MelvinDB (n=steve@pool-151-204-239-75.bos.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:12] i honestly doin't know [00:13] This is why I rip CDs. My drive just tried to eat a $100 "antique". [00:14] what [00:14] ? [00:14] that doesn't make sense [00:14] sounds like a shitty drive [00:14] antiwire: lol that was interesting :P [00:14] It is. [00:14] deco: that init post? [00:14] Most of my hardware is over 10 years old. [00:15] but yeha they did get an apeal on the 24th [00:15] The newest components are a 250GB hard drive and the P4 processor. 2.2Ghz [00:15] antiwire: yeah the noobfarm post [00:17] MelvinDB (n=steve@pool-151-204-239-75.bos.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:17] At least I've finally put away the 450Mhz Celeron for good. [00:18] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [00:19] ajna: why? you could you'se as dedicated firewall/router [00:19] My network is a desktop and an old laptop. I didn't think there was a need. [00:20] LifeForce4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) left irc: Client Quit [00:20] I'm thinking about putting the Celeron or one of my other ancient systems back together to store backups. [00:20] gogo 8088 ! [00:20] korg815 (n=user@unaffiliated/korg815) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:21] I've got a P2, a P3, and the Celeron. There's an AMD K6 around here somewhere. [00:21] I missed out on a DX system. I just couldn't bring myself to dig it out of the mud at the city dump. [00:22] Has anyone looked at - don't throw things at me - Windows 7 yet? [00:22] yes [00:23] How is it? [00:23] had it installed for a whole 6 hours.. [00:23] it's another piece of shit brought to you by Microsoft [00:23] Microsoft is improving; six whole hours without crash. [00:23] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [00:23] most of that was waiting for it to get past the 'Welcome' screen [00:24] quasar [00:24] An improvement. [00:24] which says a lot.. considering the system it's on is a quad-core with 4GB ram [00:24] backups should be stored at safes [00:24] sup jeev [00:25] thats ok microsoft is slowly dieing and i predict withhin the next 17 years it ill die completly unless they make a complety turn around [00:25] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [00:25] I ran XP for a few months, but my adventures with Microsoft really ended on Windows 2000 SP4 [00:25] quasar, can you test a shopping cart for me to see if you get the same results? it's a very very quick install, requires php and sql [00:25] unfortuanly i have to run xp for something at my school which is when i use virtual box [00:25] my windows experience stopped in 2003 [00:25] Interesting. People are saying it's the end for Windows, Linux, BSD, etc. A lot of people expect cloud computing to kill them all. [00:26] Action: jeev just tried windows 7 at the office, it's pretty elite [00:26] With the announcement of Google's Chrome OS, they're saying it even louder. [00:26] Action: LF4 runs windows in VMware :) [00:26] jeev: on windows 7? [00:26] i didn't mean elite. [00:26] i mean cool. quasar, no i'm not on it now, the cart requires *nix [00:26] Isn't Chrome OS jsut another linux distro with more of a web focus? [00:26] P4C0 (n=paco@unaffiliated/p4c0) left irc: "out" [00:26] i don't think google will kill linux [00:26] haha jeev Yeah yeah we know you love windows :) [00:26] i'm on it now LF4 :/ [00:26] oh, sure.. where's it at? [00:26] OS: Windows Vista Professional 6.0 SP1 (Build #6001) CPU: Intel Core i7 CPU 940 @, 2.97 GHz, 0KB Video: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260 (1920x1200x32bpp 60Hz) Sound: Speakers (Realtek High Definition Audio) Memory: Used: 1/4096MB Uptime: 1w 4d 11h 53m 8s HD: Free: 1039.32 GB/3390.69 GB Connection: Realtek RTL8168D/8111D Family PCI Gigabit Ethernet NIC (NDIS 6.0) @ 100.0 Mbps (Rec: 2807.08MB Sent: 1902.52MB) [00:27] windows i certainly hope so [00:27] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [00:27] 12 gig ram [00:27] Not a clue. I don't like Google. I avoid they're stuff. [00:27] i wont lie, i do love windows. [00:27] jeev: didnt you get banned [00:27] no spook, it was my jeev2 [00:27] quasar, http://opencart.googlecode.com/files/opencart_v1.3.2.zip [00:27] jeev: Yeah I have to agree win7 was pretty slick when I was testing out the bata. [00:27] ajna: How come? [00:27] yea RTM came out, i got a legit key but i didnt want to waste it on that computer so i modded the dell bios to SLIC 2.1 [00:27] free activation lol [00:28] They just pissed me off. I had something install that was theirs, uninstalled it, and got a pop up saying that they received notice that I had removed their software and wanted to know why. [00:28] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427028.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:28] That was years ago. [00:28] ajna: oh the report that gets sent out, you know that thing is optional. [00:29] Meh. Still bothered me. [00:29] :) fair enough [00:29] well i need to sleep got classes in the morning night guys and gals if your around [00:29] later toastytoast [00:29] a lot of these outfits have the "send xyz report" way on some last tab in .0001 font right under a 24 font blinking red sign saying "click continue" [00:29] ingenioushax (n=ingeniou@ip68-6-166-177.sd.sd.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:30] ajna: That was prob and older version of google desktop, god i hate google desktop [00:30] I can't remember. [00:30] What is the equivalent to "apt-get install" on slackware... pkgtool or slapt-get ?? [00:30] The same with Sony, but I'm stuck with them. [00:30] google desktop, don't you mean google gadgets? [00:31] ingenioushax: use slackpkg [00:31] I collect classical CDs and Sony has a lot of the top artist in the genre. [00:31] vald0r: In BT3 I should use slackpkg because it is based off the slackware version, yeah? [00:32] tangibledaydream (n=daydream@c-69-143-67-38.hsd1.md.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:33] ingenioushax: slackpkg is more official than slapt-get and i find it works excellent. check out man slackpkg, if you run it the first time it will tell you with to do. all you need to set is your mirror in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors and wala update away [00:33] slapt-get should die. [00:34] LoL. Alright. sounds good, thanks much. [00:34] ingenioushax: yep slackpkg is the way to go [00:34] with Windows itself passing out of existence, their last card will probably open its source and become another distro [00:34] hitest / vald0r: Suggestions on mirrors? [00:34] slackwared, you think MS will go OS? [00:35] they are releasing a version of office for linux [00:35] open? [00:35] ingenioushax: slapt-get in its 'OFFICIAL' mode is equiv in functionality with slackpkg. However slapt-get gives you more freedom if you so choose, it's also more scriptable so take what you hear about it with a grain of salt, even me [00:35] That sounds pointless. OO.org has that well covered. [00:35] ingenioushax: I'm in canada, But i still just use one of the 3/4 USA mirrors. just try one and check the speed from your output of slackpkg update [00:36] indeed, however m$ is freaking out because they lost 11% of their market share to ubuntu [00:36] That reminds me of an OO.org option I need to find. [00:36] vald0r: Alright thank you much... [00:36] why not.... every major emperor has to fall someday... always happened back in the past and will continue exactly like that [00:36] ingenioushax (n=ingeniou@ip68-6-166-177.sd.sd.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:36] ingenioushax: whatever works for you. I'm also in Canada, but, I like the Oregon ftp site [00:37] "with Windows itself passing out of existence" not sure why you think this. If for any reason the myraid kudos they are receiving for Windows 7 [00:37] I think MS Windows will pass away eventually, but MS may find a way to survive. They'll become Sega; stop making consoles and just make the games. [00:38] lol. [00:38] if the dreamcast wasn't so easy to hack i think sega would still be a power player [00:38] once windows dies so will office + ie [00:38] ingenioushax: another tad bit of advice is to look for slackbuilds on slackbuilds.org when your looking for software to install. its a a VERY quick way to install from source. I used to get packages from linuxpackages.net previously but i find its just as quick to run a slackbuild. [00:38] + a lot of other things that only are popular because of microsofts monopoly [00:38] The switched consoles too often. As soon as you bought one, another came out, and they stopped making games for the previous console. [00:39] Sounds like Microsoft. [00:39] but Microsoft *tries* for backwards compatability [00:39] 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, Vista, 7 : Genesis, CD, 32X, Dreamcast [00:39] i remember i had a 3ft high SegaCD + Sega32X [00:39] I don't think windows is going anywhere just yet. if 7 fails then....... [00:39] err, SegaCD + Sega + Sega32X [00:40] 7 looks like their best OS yet [00:40] agreed [00:40] someone said it was stable for 6 hours [00:40] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [00:40] I liked 2000. The UI and hidden admin account under XP turned me off of it fast. [00:41] novell focused on linux solutions, and increased their profit... being open source doesnt mean you dont make money.... look at red hat, mandriva, suse etc. [00:41] i think 2k was the best windows version [00:41] RHEL makes their money in support though [00:41] SiegeX: thats more clever than to combat piracy [00:41] speaking of fate for OS's, anyone else think Oracle will drop open solaris when they take over sun? [00:42] It was nice. I just gave my copy to my sister. She installed it over Vista. lol [00:42] if a corp goes linux they likely choose RHEL because if something fails their solution path is not just "ask on linuxquestions.org" [00:42] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:42] heh, some people are afraid because linux can make you think [00:42] SiegeX, there are other distros with pro-techsupport [00:43] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [00:43] Windows makes you think. I've often thought "What the hell..." when using it. [00:43] haha [00:43] none as far reaching and enterprise-centric as RHEL though. Its going to take quites some time for a distro to come up to that level to get a large corp account [00:43] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:44] Linux has the majority of super computers, or so I've heard. [00:44] ajna: http://www.top500.org/ [00:45] ajna: more specifically --> http://www.top500.org/stats/list/33/os [00:46] SiegeX. checking out your link.... [00:46] jeev: not getting past first page in install/index.php.. it's saying I dont have MySQL, cURL or ZIP [00:46] ajna: Also check out /osfam [00:47] http://www.top500.org/stats/list/33/osfam [00:47] LF4? [00:47] hiptobecubic: gave the link [00:47] okay [00:47] ahaha [00:47] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [00:47] Action: john_dee just did a rm -rf /* on his 12.2 box %) [00:48] \o/ [00:48] can anyone here image how much microsoft loses for piracy? what if they opened their windows xp code source to directly compete with linux... linux would be screwd [00:48] john_dee: you shouldn't post commands like that without breaking them [00:49] antiwire: that can break irc, eh? ^) [00:49] someone might not know what that does and they may curiously copy and paste it. [00:49] haha [00:49] well. they say curiosity killed a cat or whoever %) [00:49] copy/pasta for the win. [00:50] lol [00:50] ok. now we'll see how indestrictible linux is :D [00:50] I've wondered what happens when you actaully do that... I think I know what I am going to do on this system that keeps messing up. [00:51] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [00:51] Reminds me of the old joke about fixing a windows system by typing format C:/. [00:51] c:/>spot [00:51] I know you cant run format C: in windows it will give you a message "disk in use" :P [00:51] c:/>spot run [00:51] Yeah. It's just a joke from some site I once came across. [00:52] ajna: Yeah I know but I had to test it personally once just to see what would happen :D [00:52] ThomasLocke (n=ThomasLo@unaffiliated/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [00:52] You must have been so disappointed when it failed. Maybe not surprised that something failed on Windows, but disappointed. [00:53] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [00:53] ajna: I was lol [00:54] alright. it still works %) [00:54] though, no commands are working because programs are no longer there [00:54] I hear that, when you call Windows tech support, the first thing you hear is a recording that says "Please be advised. No Refunds, and your call is being monitored. Seriously, NO REFUNDS.". [00:55] IceW (n=sartori@189-46-247-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:55] sux. it's not as funny as i was promised >:D [00:55] night all [00:55] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:55] troys (n=troys@68.165.100.2) left irc: "Leaving" [00:56] ajna: what's so surprising about that? try getting a refund for ANY game at best buy that's been opened. [00:56] http://www.osnews.com/story/21035/Ballmer_Linux_Bigger_Competitor_than_Apple [00:57] I'm finally done ripping CDs. I'll be back later. Right now, I have an MP3 player to load. See you later Slackers. [00:57] ajna (n=ajna@68.235.230.110) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:59] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [01:01] woo yeah. [01:01] Action: fatalnix peers about [01:02] is missy jane gone? [01:02] I find that article's title a bit sensational and somewhat misleading as its all based on conjecture. [01:03] the real headline is "Windows is MS's biggest competitor" [01:05] i agree [01:05] quasar [01:05] Nick change: omnipotentduo -> omni_sleeping [01:06] quasar, if it's too much of a headache to figure it out, it's cool.. thanks [01:06] you guys take it easy [01:06] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:06] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [01:07] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:07] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:09] alisonken1church (n=alisonke@pool-71-104-236-81.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:10] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) joined ##slackware. [01:10] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-120.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:11] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162010234.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:13] HeHe, Camarade_T*x, have you see the new french hacker manifest ? :)) [01:18] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: [01:18] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:19] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [01:22] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:23] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [01:25] damn two firefighters killed so far in the fires in SOCAL [01:27] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) joined ##slackware. [01:27] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [01:28] hrm.. [01:28] Wonder if people would participate in a "digg" like site for slackeres... [01:28] er.. slackers [01:29] superGear (n=supergea@65-113-15-181.dia.static.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] who knows [01:29] what do yhou think the population of slackers is at [01:29] like, what would this site feature? [01:29] metriccwrench: I twould operate somewhat like Digg, but slackware related me thinks.. [01:30] not sure how well that would work [01:30] i never use social networking sites [01:30] Chakravanti: eh.. would be more of a news/reviews/rants/bithces [01:30] kind of like digg and slashdot rolled into one I think [01:30] blog? [01:30] lol [01:30] Dominian: Sounds interesting none the less. [01:30] but then again.. its the alcohol talking.. so it could be a really bad idea [01:30] fire|bird: well I plan on putting up a "demo" tomorrow [01:31] alcohol DOES tend to say a lot of dumb shit [01:31] i had this idea a year or so ago.. never got around to it. [01:31] Dominian: cool [01:31] eh, any site like that is kind of a crapshoot - it could be a good idea that flops, or a bad idea that for some reason takes off [01:31] hehe [01:31] like myspace [01:31] lol [01:31] yup [01:31] Action: Chakravanti shudders [01:32] On my laptop, flash 64bit and myspace just aren't working out, it crashes the browser, but pretty much all other flash stuff works. :P [01:32] it could even be a good idea that mutates into a horrible mostrousity that takes over your computer [01:32] like ubuntu [01:32] hah [01:32] cHiLi_cOn_cArNe (n=chili@unaffiliated/nycjv321) joined ##slackware. [01:32] Well, maybe not dedicated completely to slack.. [01:32] just don't give it a brown color scheme. [01:33] hey how does one create the bootable usb image like the one created for usb and pxe installs? [01:33] burnt orange [01:33] Chakravanti: close enough to brown. :P [01:33] they burnt the orange a little to long [01:33] yeah, but more liek bloddy shit [01:33] D= [01:34] im stuck on ubuntu atm [01:34] create a bootable usb image I mean..* like in general [01:34] cuz i jacked up slackpkg somehow it jacked up nvidia [01:34] won't startx [01:35] i could have fixed it with a week of toil then slave through a miserable attempt at an upgrade... [01:35] but i just DL 13 [01:35] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [01:35] soon as i get done backing up data....i'm easing ubuntu forever [01:37] well...nvm [01:37] i think ubuntu just did some screwy shit [01:37] even as root it's been denying me permissions to move files around [01:38] Chakravanti: If you upgraded a kernel you just need to reinstall the nvidia driver. [01:38] and delete some stuff [01:38] antiwire: yeah probably, but i've been meaning to clean install anyway, plus, like i said, i want to avoid upgrading distros at all costs [01:39] somehow, ubuntu managed to seriously jack up my windows installation's bootmgr [01:39] after upgrading to 9.04 [01:39] idk [01:39] i think it';s just easier this way [01:39] and now i've washed my hands fo it forever [01:39] and hope it hasn't completely screwed up my data so i can finish sharing 13 after installing [01:40] IceW (n=sartori@189-46-247-222.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Connection timed out [01:40] bbl wish me luck [01:40] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [01:40] you make your own luck in life [01:41] I want to install slackware 13 but I'v had this slackware 12.1 install for over a year and I everything running perfectly so I'm not sure if I should install slackware 13 [01:41] Aofspades, thats a very thoughtful position you're in. evaluate carefully [01:42] aceofspades19: i understand your plight [01:42] i'm an upgrade junkie when a new version is released [01:42] but going from 12.1 -> 12.2 made some things that magically worked magically broken [01:42] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:44] anyone using openGPG for signing & encrypting via kmail in slack13 64 ? [01:46] notKlaatu: I use it via Thunderbird [01:46] linux_probe (n=chris@cpe-75-187-154-247.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:46] Aofspades, decide if the major upgrades (from the changelog) outweigh the work to reconfigure stuff [01:46] mancha: ok [01:47] antiwire: ok. i'm having a weird issue as of my upgrade to 13 that kmail won't let me choose my gpg key to encrypt. it'll sign ok, but not encrypt. [01:47] antiwire: and alpine has no issue with it. just kmail. [01:47] mayday-jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:47] maydayjay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:48] Oscar wildes on Slackware: I'ma firin ma lazaaaa! [01:48] Honestly I just made that up so its most likely lame. [01:49] bah a new sdlmame [01:49] its a slazar [01:49] Oscar Wilde on Patriotism: Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious [01:50] notKlaatu i assume you meant openpgp (typo?). why do you use that over gpg? [01:50] no, i meant gnupg sorry [01:50] gpg [01:51] ah, so this seems like a kmail config issue right? the keyring is fine and you can use gpg cli no problem and other gpg-enabled mailers like (al)ping? [01:51] (al)pine [01:54] have you reviewed the security settings of kmail to make sure they're sane? [01:54] yes to the first question. ... i thought i checked securty settings in kmail [01:54] but i will check again [01:55] if there is a crypto setting this would be where to look [01:57] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) left irc: "leaving" [01:57] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [01:58] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [01:59] cHiLi_cOn_cArNe (n=chili@unaffiliated/nycjv321) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:00] veritos (n=koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] I'm thinking about upgrading to 13.0. I got P3-800MHZ and GeForce 5200 graphic card... is it, and KDE4 going to work ok for me? [02:00] veritos (n=koenig@c-76-104-249-167.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [02:00] foobarz, slowly [02:00] don't have desktop crap on [02:00] it'll work fine [02:00] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [02:00] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:01] worked fine on my POS P3 450 [02:01] I'm worried that KDE4 will be totally trashed trying to run with my GeForce 5200... I tried it before and it was really broken [02:01] Nuked (n=NUked@ool-44c7997f.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] last time I tried, I think it was KDE 4.1 [02:02] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [02:02] vald0r (n=matt@stjhnf0131w-142162010234.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net) joined ##slackware. [02:02] mancha: i'm no crypto backend expert...but it looks like it's using the right backend to me. lots of gpg stuff is mentioned. [02:02] yeah, I'd turn off all eye candies... I just want good basic 2D performance [02:02] are there any additional packages available for slackware 13.0? [02:03] Nuked: slackbuilds.org is a great site, and sbopkg a wonderful interface for it. [02:03] notKlaatu, any way to pastebin the config info? [02:04] mancha: yeah, let me get it in plain txt and pastebin it [02:04] notKlaatu, but nothing outside of the official dvd programs is available from something like linuxpackages.org etc.? [02:04] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [02:04] i've never used kmail but gpg is no stranger, maybe we can figure it out [02:05] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:05] I'm nervous about trying KDE4 again [02:05] Nuked, there was a story i heard about linuxpackages in the past putting malware that rm'd * to prevent piracy of their stuff [02:05] foobarz, don't [02:05] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [02:06] mancha: interesting......actually i think i see a solution to this. [02:06] i have no 1st hand knowledge but that sounds both scary and very evil [02:06] mancha, I'd expect that of a debian maintainer, not linuxpackages [02:06] Are there KDE3 packages for Slackware 13.0, in case I have trouble with KDE4? [02:06] foobarz, I think so [02:06] i'm gonna try something with these config files, mancha [02:06] foobarz: there are kde3 compat in extras [02:06] but not a full kde3 system, i believe [02:07] notKalattu, hope it works, if not ping me, the offer stands [02:07] kde4 should work well for you though. i've not had any trouble through the slackware64-13 development process [02:07] oh that is scary... I'd be forced to run KDE4 and it gave me big trouble with 4.1 [02:07] well 4.1 was almost as bad as 4.0 [02:07] i think we are on 4.3 now? muuuuch better [02:07] slack 13 is 4.2.4 [02:07] seriously, though. 4.2 and 4.3 are worlds different than 4.0 and 4.1 [02:08] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-43.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [02:08] try not to let a bad go with the earlier ones make you gun-shy [02:09] agris (n=agris@pasts.blondais.lv) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:09] I'm so nervous... my video card is GeForce 5200... it can't run the new video driver... I can't rreally upgrade to a new card either [02:09] you can run kde4 with no 3d at all... [02:09] wow! why haven't i heard of sbopkg before, amazing [02:09] not related to your card [02:09] vald0r: me either, what is it? [02:10] last I saw a comment like that, I discovered slackpkg [02:10] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:10] draeath: Its like having a Ncurses based Synaptic in front of you. pick the package you want. it auto downloads the source and slackbuild and builds you a package to install... now if it could make me toast and a coffee [02:11] oooh! [02:11] does that work for slackware64? [02:11] I'm using slackware64 13 [02:11] also, does it handle dependencies? [02:11] yay! [02:11] haha no [02:11] Action: draeath tries to contain himself [02:11] BUT the output of your configure tells you all of that [02:12] It just does the downloading of the source. the slackbuild. starts your slackbuild scripts and so forth automaticly. [02:12] that is nice [02:12] though, I have used a slackbuild to build a newer version of the package before :P [02:12] Which is great as I just did a format to go 64 bit and have loads of app to put back [02:13] saves time and i still have my normal level of control [02:13] hrmm, well i can find no reference to the lp.net malware thing and can't recall where i heard it so i withdraw my comment until i can verify [02:13] note you don't have 32-bit support libs at all, unless you go put them on [02:13] check the slam64 mirrors for a slackware64 dir, there are the 32-bit compat packages [02:13] ezrafree (i=ezra@gware/developer/ezrafree) left irc: "Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?" [02:14] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [02:15] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [02:15] is there a deb2tgz ? [02:15] ezrafree (i=ezra@208.67.159.229) joined ##slackware. [02:15] metriccwrench (n=ii@12.178.212.226) joined ##slackware. [02:16] hi people [02:17] deco: no, but you can use "ar" to extract the deb. The rest is left as an exercise for the reader. [02:17] Thom1: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/i-get-warning-addgroups-invalid-argument-after-logging-in.-749348/ [02:17] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.195.89) left irc: "Leaving" [02:17] I might wait for Slackware 13.1... 13.0 is scary [02:17] vald0r: check out the queues for sbopkg [02:17] (see sbopkg.org) [02:18] mancha: I personally saw the LP mention of malware on several of their mirrors. [02:18] debs are just ust ar(chives) [02:18] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] and with those nice bits, I'm off to bed. 0117 localtime [02:18] rworkman: oh you mean make a slackbuild script for it ? [02:18] thanks rworkman :) [02:19] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] wow sbopkg has just changed my life lol [02:19] Spoiler: use 'ar' to extract the .deb - control.tar.gz has the pre/post [un]installation scripts, and some metadata, data.tar.gz is a tgz from /, and the debian- file is just more metadata [02:19] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:20] I grab files from .deb all the time, mostly .so files and such [02:20] i'm too lazy to go building them when they usually work just like that :D [02:20] geez [02:20] I use the deb builds and patches to make my own proper Slackware packages [02:21] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) joined ##slackware. [02:21] I trust my 14yr old sister with my computer more than I'd trust a .deb [02:21] antiwire: how do you make them ? [02:22] another spoiler: you can use 'cpio' to get inside RPMs [02:22] I second quasar [02:22] well they arn't random deb files. I usually stick to ftp.us.debian.org [02:22] rworkman, if i asked you yersteday, that's because of that forum :) [02:23] Nuked (n=NUked@ool-44c7997f.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:23] rworkman, but i see there are new posts [02:23] Man im so impressed. Just sat back with my coffee as OpenOffice downloaded from sun, with the slackbuild. ran it. made my package. then installed it for me.... all I had to do was select openoffice and say yes for it to install it for me :D [02:23] isn't a '.sqf' usually a SQL script? [02:23] bad choice on file extension there [02:23] nothing wrong with debian packages, they're good about documenting their patches - as long as the patches aren't to some crypto thing, it should be ok [02:23] Slaxxed (n=brian@ip72-204-125-6.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] deco: Myself. I've make quite a few Slackware packages and build scripts for programs that Debian has already packaged. Sometimes I use the patches that the Debian people have created already too. [02:23] I've make/I've made [02:24] mancha: oh come on. have you looked at that openssl patch issue? you can hardly blame anyone for it [02:24] draeath: didn't the openssl people accept the developers changes that caused all the trouble ? [02:24] I like other package formats when they are the only way to get the software... then I use the nice convert tools to make it into a slackware package. It is all kinda sweet. [02:24] notKlaatu (n=klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: "leaving" [02:24] why entrust the security and stability of your system to someone who runs Debian? ... we all know it's much more stable than Slackware, right? [02:24] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-yakgnqtmmkwfnohj) joined ##slackware. [02:25] hardly blame anyone? What happens when you look at the SSL issue from the point of view of distributions that *weren't* affected? [02:25] antiwire: that doesn't make any sense [02:25] what do you mean? [02:25] Sure it does [02:25] the other distributions had nothing to do with it, what does their POV matter? [02:26] unless I'm not remembering properly, the debian maintaner checked with the SSL guys, who said OK. [02:26] what else would you expect them to do? [02:26] draeath: that's what i said :P [02:26] geno (n=geno@125-236-175-211.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) joined ##slackware. [02:26] yea you did deco [02:27] quasar, you gave up on the cart? [02:27] draeath: than the developer and the ssl people are to blame ? [02:27] I expect the openssl package maintainer to be a programmer type person who knows how to put together proper packages and deal with patches and communication - a project manager type guy [02:27] I don't expect him to be an expert in cryptographic algorithms... i expect him to defer to a real expert (like he/she did) [02:27] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) joined ##slackware. [02:27] deco: yes, that's my opinion [02:28] draeath: mine too :) [02:28] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [02:28] deco: I got as far as I told you about... everything that it says I dont have, I do, and is working perfectly fine on my system.. I'm not a php coder and never will be, and thusly wont sift through their code to fix it for my machine, sorry [02:28] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.196) joined ##slackware. [02:28] ahh you mean me [02:28] quasar: ? [02:28] that's fine, thanks [02:28] anyone know ofhand if their is a slackbuild for Gnucash for 13 yet? [02:28] deco, he was talking to me [02:29] draeath: The view point of distributions what were not affected is one that makes is pretty easy to point at the source of the problem because there isn't any vested interest in trying to save face of whoever created the change. [02:29] jeev: yeah got me all excited for a sec :( [02:29] vald0r, you can edit one from 12.2 [02:29] lol [02:29] jeev: if the information should be in the config.php then some default information might be populated for people.. otherwise I dont know what to set where (all the config files were 100% blank) [02:29] the config file is generated once you hit the site to start configging it [02:29] maybe your slack wasn't a full install [02:30] i never tested it on slack to be honest [02:30] it is [02:30] vald0r: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.0/business/gnucash/ [02:30] i'll try it on 12.2 right now then, give me a sec [02:30] i just wanted someone else to try it. [02:30] antiwire: I still don't get it [02:30] I've custom compiled php and mysql, but not cURL [02:30] maybe i'm just too tired [02:30] weird [02:30] draeath: The point is that regardless of whoever in the openssl project said "OK", that change was not adopted by the openssl project which left any distributions that did not apply that change unaffected. [02:31] well, just because one of your end users wants to change something, you should change it everywhere? [02:31] if you ask me, the system is Working As Designed [02:31] end users? [02:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:31] is there a pic of the slackware 13.0 CD cover? [02:31] debian is an 'end user' of openssl, in that they are downstream [02:31] at least in regards to that package [02:31] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:32] they are downstream and write patches. That's hardly an normal end user. [02:32] just... nevermind [02:32] quasar, the only thing mine didn't come up with was GD [02:32] antiwire would be the end user of ubuntu [02:32] ok, my vpn is not liking my precarious travel-connection [02:32] mine found GD fine lol [02:32] i'm not up to my full running capacity, too low for this 'debate' :P [02:32] adeodatu1 (i=1000@92.84.27.54) joined ##slackware. [02:32] phoenix: Getting a dependany error for SLIB, looking for whats missing atm, any ideas? [02:32] ok so how do i make debs to tgz ? lol jk [02:33] draeath: What I'm getting at is your comment about hardly being able to blame someone for it sounds like someone vouching for one or both of the parties involved in the change which caused the problem. [02:33] vald0r: Did you install ALL the dependencies it lists on that page for gnucash? [02:33] antiwire: look I don't know what is wrong with me herem, but I'm not really understanding what you are trying to tell me [02:34] my lingual processor is simply not running well enough at this moment. simplify it a bit [02:34] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:34] only one here, so I can't leave... but no way to boost my blood sugar 'cause i'm an idiot and didn't bring something [02:34] draeath: It's pretty damn easy to see who caused the problem and where it was caused when the only distributions that were affected by the change used the same patch. Is that easier to understand? [02:34] yes [02:34] ty [02:35] fire|bird: bummer. [02:35] all I'm saying is that upstream said "OK", so is it REALLY debian's fault? [02:35] agentc0re: yeah. :P [02:35] debian and upstream saying ok sounds like the openssl patch [02:35] phoenix: yeah i found slib but the source its directing me to is a 404, thanks for the advice though. ill get this [02:35] draeath: did upstream think the change was sane enough to add to the mainline? [02:35] and we say debian, but it is a particular person and particular patch. There's no history of this kind of thing, is there? [02:35] vald0r: you're welcome. :) [02:35] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:36] Patzy (n=somethin@coa29-1-88-174-11-170.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] if I remember, it wasn't a patch that you would want in mainline either, but not for a bad reason. [02:36] I don't know the details. i'm not a coder [02:36] agentc0re: Many flash sites work, but ones like myspace, break.com, etc. do not. :/ The same thing happens with 2 different versions of flash. [02:36] the word debian makes me feel ill [02:36] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:36] just curious what's wrong with debian ? [02:37] one security bug and the world spits on them, thats what :P [02:37] lol [02:37] deco: Speaking for myself, I don't have anything against Debian. We are talking about a specific issue. [02:37] deco, there's a lot right with debian. one thing i don't like is they patch out the ass at the distro level, i prefer when people shoot things upstream [02:37] it is like you guys are spamming us in here about another distro [02:38] mancha: like what red hat does ? [02:38] i mean upstream changes [02:38] foobarz: hey I didn't bring it up. I was just talking technicals about getting files out of .deb packages [02:38] phoenix^: new conky,borrowed but nice http://omploader.org/vMjk0cw [02:38] not sure how 'use ar, then tar, then get in this file' translates into "OMG DEBIAN! ALL YOUR SSH ARE BELONG TO ME!" [02:38] redhat has a large upstream contribution, that i like. i don't like other stuff about them [02:39] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-130-241.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [02:39] I don't come in here too often, but almost everytime I do, I hear about debian debian debian!!!! [02:39] draeath: I hope that wasn't directed at me. I was not the one who brought up the SSL issue. I was commenting on what you said. [02:39] bad timing foobarz :P [02:39] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:39] antiwire: nope, if you didn't swing the discussion that way it wasn't at you [02:39] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-137-43.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:39] I don't remember who did it [02:40] maybe it WAS me, and i'm just being a complete tool unconciously [02:40] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.34.231) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:40] Rat409: that looks really nice. different bg too. I've been trying to download all the bg's from interfacelift the past couple days, I'm up to page 43. :P [02:40] don't look at me i just wanted to know how to convert deb to tgz :P [02:40] wow [02:40] Rat409: out of 175 (1,750 bg's) :P [02:40] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) joined ##slackware. [02:40] phoenix^: very nice backgrounds tho :) [02:40] deco, the best way would be to snoop the deb and recreate it on the slack side, taking the patches you want to apply [02:41] Rat409: yeah, really nice. I'm using a couple of them myself atm on my desktop and laptop. [02:41] mancha: ok thanks [02:41] are guys running kde4 now ? [02:41] deco: I am [02:41] Action: quasar is [02:42] 4.3 [02:42] i have it but in openbox atm [02:42] Rat409: I was using konqueror + kget to get them all, but now it stopped working for some reason. :P I was trying to figure out if there was a wget command or something. :P [02:42] do you guys thik it's as fast as kde3 ? [02:42] think* [02:42] I've tried it. runs VERY smooth with nvidia's propietary drivers. But im a dwm user myself [02:43] deco: imo, yes, maybe even a bit faster, but it depends on your hardware too. [02:43] yuh wget --help probly cr but use recurse carefully [02:43] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:43] Nylex (n=nylex@94-194-150-119.zone8.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:43] phoenix^: yeah my laptop doesn't really run it as fast as kde3 1.6ghz 1.2GiB of RAM [02:43] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-67-120.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:43] koborld (n=koborld@e179155075.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [02:43] Rat409: yeah, what I do know is that ALL the images are under the same url, just, of course, different image names. [02:44] deco: It runs really nice here. 2.0Ghz 512MB ram 64bit. [02:44] yuh probly suppts regex [02:44] I want to install sbopkg and I get this message:can't install sbopkg-0.30.1.tar.gz.Why I get this message error? [02:44] that's my laptop ^^^ [02:44] Rat409: yeah [02:44] ANyone know a good GTK theme selector? gate having to mess with my .gtk-2.0 file to set a default for non kde apps [02:44] quasar, i did it on my debian VPS.. :/ forced to run debian cause i like this cool sexy control panel and slack doesn't have any good VPS stuff yet [02:44] Rat409: It'll be cool to get all of them, there's some amazing bg's on there. [02:44] or xen stuff actually, it works though [02:44] hate* [02:45] anyway [02:45] phoenix^: does it consume a lot of RAM for you? [02:45] vald0r: gtk-chtheme, on slackbuilds.org [02:46] adeodatus, did you download the source code? If so, you can't install it using pkgtool.. you've got to extract the files from the tarball and read the instructions [02:46] gtk-chtheme is awesome i got a nice kde4 theme running with it [02:47] deco: Mem: 508004k total, 500844k used, 7160k free, 3148k buffers <-----If not kde4, somethings using ram. :P [02:47] adeodatus: having said that, though, there does seem to be a Slackware package on the sbopkg website [02:48] phoenix^: it's consuming 460mb on mine :P [02:48] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-ndvlckhqxqeqrwpv) joined ##slackware. [02:48] deco: lol [02:48] hmm to bad you cant specify your icons with gtk-chtheme. My Thunar/Pcmanfm still doesnt show any after setting a theme with it [02:49] adeodatus: because it says "tar.gz", not ".tgz" [02:49] vald0r: Do you have any icons at all showing though? [02:49] phoenix^:do you think that's normal ? [02:49] nope [02:49] jawsh569 (n=jawsh569@adsl-75-23-79-138.dsl.peoril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:49] greetings and hope you have a good week ;) ( for whoever is already monday) [02:49] Thumbs [02:49] thats about all for images [02:49] vald0r: run xfsettingsd [02:49] running firefox and amarok plus pidgin [02:49] deco: I have firefox, konq, and pidgin running. [02:49] adeodatus: did you d/l the source or the package? [02:50] i'm not using xfce though, giving it a shot [02:50] phoenix^: ok :P [02:50] deco: Now that you mention that, I'll see what xfce and fluxbox show for usage. :P [02:50] worked however [02:50] vald0r: you don't need to be [02:50] nice! [02:50] Tango [02:50] vald0r: You'll have to run that each time, unless you set whatever de/wm you use to run it automatically [02:51] I've downlaoded the source [02:51] phoenix: Thanks. Ill just add it to my xinit [02:51] adeodatus, then untar it and read the instructions [02:51] adeodatus: http://www.sbopkg.org/ <--- and download the "Package" link, that is installable with installpkg [02:52] or that [02:52] phoenix^: fluxbox was consuming 180MB by its self :P [02:52] vald0r: then follow the instructions in the man page. there's also some options you can change in /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf if you're adventurous [02:52] deco: wow, that's a difference. :P [02:52] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [02:54] phoenix^: yes but i like a full DE :P [02:54] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) left irc: "Leaving" [02:55] sodo (n=unknown@host81-141-108-156.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [02:57] deco: yeah, that's why I like xfce, it's a nice de between fluxbox and kde. :P [02:58] night all be well. [02:58] night Rat409 [02:58] Rat409 (n=me@bb-205-209-95-119.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Pekwm! it ain't your grandma's wm :)"). [02:58] phoenix^: :P [02:59] I've try to install with installpkg and i get this message:cannot install sbopkg-0.30.1-noarch-1.cng.gz:file does not end in .tgz .,tbz, .tlz ,or txz [03:00] adeodatus: look at the filename [03:01] anyone know if linux torvalds still uses kde ? [03:01] deco: he switched to gnome [03:01] I've try to install with installpkg and i get this message:cannot install sbopkg-0.30.1-noarch-1_cng.gz:file does not end in .tgz .,tbz, .tlz ,or txz [03:01] ... [03:01] phoenix^: yeah but didn't he like switch back to it ? [03:01] adeodatus: look at the filename [03:01] adeodatus: READ the filename and you'll know what's wrong. [03:02] or read the error message.. [03:02] deco: not that I know of [03:02] phoenix^: some fedora people were telling me but you can't trust them :P [03:02] amazingly enough, the filename is part of the error message. [03:02] adeodatus: you did something to the download - I just now did a d/l and install and it worked fine [03:02] deco: He uses Fedora, or at least he used to. :P [03:03] antiwire: Maybe he renamed it himself thinking the extension wasn't right. :P [03:03] adeodatus: if you used the "Package" link from the website I gave you, then you can just rename it "mv sbopkg-0.30.1-1.cng.gz sbopkg-0.30.1-1.cng.tgz" [03:03] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [03:04] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-130-241.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [03:04] Thats very suprising of linux to switch to gnome after. http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS8745257437.html [03:04] linux* [03:04] from here it look like the slackware-13.0-install-dvd.torrent torrent isn't alive. is this real? [03:04] linus* :P i know i do it too [03:05] koborld: It's real and some people have said it was fast while others have said it was slow. It was insanely slow for me. [03:05] antiwire: koborld it was really fast for me [03:06] ok, thx. seems to be an ebb right now. [03:06] deco: Yeah the coffee's wearing off *goes back to his dark corner* [03:06] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable003.2-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:07] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [03:07] i installed 13.0 and kde4 has critical problems [03:07] lol [03:07] zeether101 (n=ke@pool-96-251-192-31.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:07] such as? [03:07] How to remane a file to onther extension? [03:07] adriyel (i=adriyel@anapnea.net) joined ##slackware. [03:07] dchmelik: care to elaborate? [03:07] mv file1 file2 - will rename file1 to file2 [03:07] console or GUI text editor for Linux, not vim/emacs/diakonos: Go. [03:08] when it starts it messes up my keyboard and stops reading from it and the mouse [03:08] it is like my keyboard shuts off [03:08] something made for professional writers on Linux is a plus. [03:08] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:08] adeodatus: alisonken showed you how above. [03:08] then when i removed kde4 and returned kde3 it does the same thing [03:09] dchmelik: Did you upgrade or copy your home directory from an older install into the 13 install? [03:09] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [03:09] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [03:09] no, i formatted the partition [03:09] dchmelik: Do other de/wm's do the same thing? [03:09] i meant the / partition, but i deleted .kde* in ~ [03:09] dchmelik: there is more the ~ than just .kde [03:09] Is this only happening in X? [03:09] X/KDE--i have not tried any other wm lately [03:09] a run of xorgsetup could help [03:10] dchmelik: you should back up ~ and also delete .config and .local [03:10] dchmelik: you have left over kde3 config files mixed in now. [03:10] i did not know any were in there [03:10] kde4 should have handled it anyway [03:10] dchmelik: You should try like xfce or something too to see if the problem happens there as well. [03:10] dchmelik: I think you know where the complaint department for that is. [03:11] brbrbr (n=brbrbrbr@unaffiliated/brbrbr) left irc: "gotta go. bb all :)" [03:11] i will try another wm now, but do not be surprised if i am not back for a few minutes.... [03:11] We'll be holding our breath [03:11] we won't [03:12] antiwire: speak for yourself. :P I choose breathe. [03:13] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:13] adriyel (i=adriyel@anapnea.net) left ##slackware. [03:15] Thanks very much all!! 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[03:19] lilo problem [03:20] lilo didn't get installed properly or your disk is hosed [03:20] booted with stick an i get kernel panic [03:20] Nick change: silvergold -> fire|bird [03:20] hi can someone tell me how to get bash-completion working, and also how to get directory colors and pwd being displayed before $ in bash. this stuff is only working for me when i log in as su - [03:20] proly hosed [03:20] the problem i had with KDE not receiving input is an X problem--it happened with twm. [03:20] siimo: interesting to know what you did - worked out of the box for me [03:20] siimo: install bash-completion from extra/ [03:21] Slaxx, try booting and then running /sbin/lilo [03:21] i installed it [03:21] but didnt help [03:21] you do not need that form extra for the colors to work. [03:21] siimo: how are you getting a terminal up? [03:21] by opening an xfce term [03:22] chance22 (n=chance@99-16-138-143.lightspeed.austtx.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [03:22] you need to setup the terminal to use a login shell or manually run 'source /etc/profile' [03:22] i don't have a ~/.bashrc file [03:22] .bashrc is only there if you create it [03:22] hmmm [03:22] source /etc/profile works [03:22] but why do i have to do it manually [03:22] did anyone else have this X problem i had? [03:22] siimo: what echo $SHELL returns? [03:22] /bin/bash [03:22] siimo: because you haven't configured the terminal tool to use a login shell [03:23] Slaxxed: try booting huge from the cd/dvd with the option "root=/dev/ ro", then rerun lilo [03:23] bah whats the keyboard shortcut to pop up the gnome menu? [03:23] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89BFE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [03:23] how do i do that?, what im doing is logging in shell and starting xfce from ther [03:23] morning [03:24] hi [03:24] siimo: what shell do you have set as your default in /etc/passwd file? [03:24] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:25] draeath: don't know since I haven't run gnome in 5 years [03:25] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] you mean this line: siimo:x:1000:100:,,,:/home/siimo:/bin/bash [03:25] http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2009-08-31.gif [03:25] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [03:25] ok - then it should be reading the /etc/profile defaults unless something got hosed in your install [03:25] alison, the issue is if he is invoking bash as login or interactive [03:25] problem is only in xfce shells [03:26] mancha: that's the other issue [03:26] when i boot into my system the console there is fine [03:26] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Nick collision from services. [03:26] so why doesn't slackware use pam? [03:26] Nick change: dchmelik_ -> dchmelik [03:26] slava_dp: It can if you make it. [03:26] siimo, you are using bash in interactive, so an easy workaround is to make a ~/.bashrc and in there source a profile [03:26] some of ours does [03:26] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:26] siimo: is this problem after booting to runlevel 4, then logging in, or do you have runlevel 3, then run startx to get gui? [03:26] alisonken1noc: ah its alt-f1 [03:26] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:27] i tried that, i thought. whatever [03:27] alterantively make xfce terminal load in login mode, there's an option [03:27] siimo, check the checkbox "run as login shell" in settings. [03:27] runlevel 3 [03:27] then go startxfce4 [03:27] slava_dp: you missed the memo about pam from the earlier releases [03:28] i think it is run command as login shell, if memory serves [03:28] make sure that checkbox is checked [03:28] cool that dixed it [03:28] fixed [03:28] thanks [03:28] alisonken1noc, was there a memo? i'll go find one now.... [03:28] i think my keyboard is missing a pin... but it always worked fine in kde3 [03:28] slava_dp: I think it was in one of the changelogs from the 11.x or 12.x series [03:28] sodo (n=unknown@host81-141-108-156.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [03:29] no problemo [03:29] now i need to figure out how to stop the default X cursor theme from showing itself sometimes randomly.. [03:32] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:32] if anyone had an idea about my problem yet i missed it because when i typed '/list' in the irssi server window it output to my channel window... (looking for an X channel) [03:33] It's seems that slackware 13.0 does not reconize my flash drive. [03:33] i had a usb problem too, but it worked when i plugged it in a different port [03:34] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FIFTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [03:34] antiwire: just did a portscan all ports from 1 to 6000ish are opened some are filtered, what are the odds of this being a honeyspot or a administrator mistake? [03:34] were you scanning me? [03:35] With slackware 12.2 it reconize without any problem!! [03:35] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [03:35] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:35] nope :D [03:35] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:36] steiger_ (n=steiger@20150136004.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:36] slackwared: First, I highly doubt it's a honeypot. Second, what you received as output isn't an indication of an error. [03:37] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [03:37] adeodatus: is your login name in the plugdev group? [03:37] It could indicated any number of things, like special filtering or proxying between you and the target [03:37] antiwire: what i meant with mistake is, with his firewall configuration [03:38] slackwared: It's not necessarily a mistake [03:38] as root [03:38] was xorg 1.6.3 on the testing Slackware64? i suspect my problem is from some extra library that came with KDE or maybe new code that deals with hardware [03:39] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:40] exit [03:40] opps [03:40] Why does not reconize it as root then? [03:40] adeodatus: When you say 'recognize', how are you checking? [03:41] My flash drive!! [03:41] ... [03:41] do you mean it's not automatically mounted? [03:41] adeodatus: How do you know it is not being recognized? [03:42] adeodatus: Did you check dmesg? did you check fdisk -l? what have you done? You haven't told us any useful information yet. [03:42] Because i look in /media [03:42] Action: antiwire walks away [03:43] well it is not going to just appear there unless you do certain things [03:43] adeodatus, you need to mount the partition(s) on it [03:43] adeodatus: are you trying to access your flash drive? [03:43] slKIvs (n=ivan@226.92.56.190.dsl.intelnet.net.gt) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:43] we are really confused... [03:44] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [03:44] ViN86: yes I want to access my flash drive!! [03:44] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [03:44] adeodatus: then you need to mount it [03:45] re: that /etc/profile question earlier. seems like bash completion doesn't work if i use su to change to root [03:45] How to do that? [03:45] but works if u use su - [03:45] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.196) left irc: "Leaving" [03:45] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left irc: "leaving" [03:45] adeodatus, click on it in Dolphin | Thunar | Whatever_FM_you_use [03:45] the "-" means login shell [03:45] pprkut: reboot half a dozen time and still no touchpad problem ='( [03:45] ok.. [03:45] and hi everybody :) [03:45] adeodatus, and it will be mounted to /media [03:45] morning Camarade_Tux [03:46] is there anywhere i can get an error report of what happened to X on my system? i did 'find / -name "*xorg*log*" and nothing came up [03:46] adeodatus: go to pm [03:46] or rather, take that user's environment. which is tantamount to a login shell in that sense [03:46] dchmelik: /var/log/Xorg.0.log [03:46] ok, i should have done -iname [03:46] I've only the console!! [03:46] unfortunately there is no log [03:47] Camarade_Tux: till haven't had time :/ [03:47] still [03:47] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-90.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [03:47] i figured out how to fix that ugly mouse cursor that doesn't follow rest of theme finally.... need to create symlink 08e8e1c95fe2fc01f976f1e063a24ccd -> left_ptr_watch [03:48] i guess X worked except for input and did not generate a log [03:48] dchmelik: what does 'ls /var/log/*.log" show? [03:48] adeodatus, run dmesg to find the device and partitions (there should be a line saying, e.g. "sdb: sdb1 sdb2"), then mount with "mount device mount_point -t filesystem", where "mount_point"is a directory of your choice and "filesystem" is the filesystem of the partition you want to mount [03:48] it is there but they are empty [03:48] and "device" is the partition you want to mount [03:48] at least the Xorg*log are empty [03:48] silvergold (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [03:48] Nick change: silvergold -> fire|bird [03:48] dchmelik: because there's a difference between "xorg.0.log" and "Xorg.0.log" [03:48] Action: Camarade_Tux stabs fire|bird in the nuts :) [03:48] doing alright? :P [03:49] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [03:49] alisonken1noc, i found the files you mentioned and did cat on them but they are empty... i used tab to write out the file names after cat [03:49] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-90.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [03:49] i tried... [03:49] woot epdfview is in slackbuilds [03:49] dchmelik: how are you starting X? runlevel 4, or startx after logging in? [03:50] i forgot what runlevel 4 is... i just use startx [03:50] dchmelik: "less /etc/inittab" to see what runlevel 4 is :) [03:50] runlevel 4 must be what can start it automatically [03:50] 4 starts X, yeah [03:50] as well as runlevels 1 and 3 [03:51] rofl dchmelik [03:51] ok, that is good to know if i set up Slackware for someone, but personally i would not want it on my system [03:51] is epdfview any good? [03:51] its basically gnome's Evince PDF viewer without the gnome libraries.. nice for gtk environments like xfce [03:52] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4ACF.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [03:52] hi guys [03:52] i have evince on slackware, it's nice. didn't need *that( many gnome things [03:52] hi jekkt [03:52] i dont know where to get evince though.. not in slackpkg [03:52] is epdfview made by the evince folks? [03:52] evince? errr, won't that require gnome things? [03:52] a few [03:52] i have no idea [03:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427028.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:53] http://trac.emma-soft.com/epdfview/ [03:53] can someone tell me where i find polish german slackware irc channels >) [03:53] The aim of ePDFView is to make a simple PDF document viewer, in the lines of Evince but without using the Gnome libraries. [03:53] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427028.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [03:53] jekkt: if you find a CCC channel maybe somewhere there would know Slackware [03:53] gconf, orbit, libglade, i think thats it [03:53] manitou (n=manitou@3e6b8fa1.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [03:54] mancha: but where did you get it or compile yourself [03:54] i made it myself [03:54] ok im too lazy to compile [03:54] mancha, does evince support filling in forms? [03:54] dont think it does last time i saw it [03:54] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [03:54] how to install flash plugin on 13 ? [03:55] dive, dunno, haven not tried it....point me to a pdf with forms and i'll checkl [03:55] manitou i try it too>) [03:55] ok I see if I can find one [03:55] hmm how long does wine take to compile [03:55] my laptop is running hot [03:55] manitou im on the step where you download the file [03:55] long time, it's big [03:55] it is a full (or almost full) windows api. give it a break [03:55] manitou, its a flashplayer10.so file and i put it into plugin directory [03:55] only reason i use wine is to play DOTA [03:56] i get libflashplayer.so 9 MB !? [03:56] manitou, but this does not function [03:56] manitou: welcome to the world of Adobe [03:56] manitou: 32 or 64 bit? [03:57] at least im no longer on a nvidia driver environment.. i cant use flash 3D acceleration and go fullscreen on nvidia driver [03:57] Nylex (n=nylex@94-194-150-119.zone8.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "Leaving" [03:57] I download i think flashplayer10.so and unzip this and put it into my /etc/lib/firefox/plugins directory and restart my x [03:57] 32 ViN86 [03:57] but this does not function what i did wrong? [03:57] manitou: k it should be the one on the site [03:57] well theyre both on the site, but the easier one to find is 32 bit [03:57] i have no plugins map in .mozilla != [03:58] my laptop has X2300 from ati, its crap but free R300 driver works with it [03:58] mancha, http://www.publicguardian.gov.uk/docs/lpa-pa-complete-0509.pdf [03:59] ViN86, what i did wrong? [04:00] is there a way to start X with a debugging log? [04:00] jekkt: you running 32 bit as well? [04:00] where to put .so file ? [04:00] thanks [04:00] for firefox correct? [04:00] dchmelik: maybe that dmesg has what you need [04:00] hmm now should i bother compiling Mono [04:00] yes ViN86 [04:00] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:00] jekkt: you have to put it somewhere like /usr/lib/firefox/plugins (or lib64) [04:00] dchmelik: after X starts, try - (or whichever terminal you were on when you started X) [04:00] try /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins [04:00] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:01] is that folder there? for me its /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins [04:01] dchmelik, i did it [04:01] or wait for slacky to do it [04:01] dchmelik, i put it into different plugins from webbrowser [04:01] Camarade_Tux and alisonken1noc, as soon as i start X i will be unable to use the keyboard [04:01] dchmelik, but when i restart my x i cannot see the flash videos on youtube [04:01] jekkt: do you want it for firefox or plain mozilla? [04:01] jekkt: did you copy it to /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins? [04:02] if it is for firefox it is going to /usr/lib/firefox [04:02] jekkt: you dont need to restart X [04:02] dive, ok, gonna check now [04:02] thanks [04:02] dchmelik, i copy it into my plugins from firefox firefox dont show me flash and also i put it into kde plugins directory didnt help [04:02] jekkt: another option is to put the flash plugin in ~/,mozilla/plugins/ [04:02] siimo, i try reboot and restart x [04:02] i am not sure why, jekkt... it should work [04:03] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [04:03] slimo: that didnt work for me for some reason, i had to put it in the firefox folder in /usr/lib :/ [04:03] all you have to restart is firefox [04:03] i use the web konqueror where i should put it? [04:04] i look into settings - configure konqueror and into plugins i put it manuall [04:04] and this also does not function [04:04] work here /usr/lib/firefox/plugins [04:04] manitou: yes that is it [04:04] *firefox [04:04] other was for mozilla, sorry [04:04] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) joined ##slackware. [04:05] Camarade_Tux, why do you think dmesg might have what i need? [04:05] and one more Q ! acpi for eeepc 901 ? any ideas ? [04:05] dchmelik: Alt+SysRq+R will give control back to the kernel, then Alt+Ctrl+F2 to switch to tty2 and have fun [04:05] what happened to that guy who needed help mounting his usb drive, he disappeared... [04:05] dchmelik: but is it 13? do you have hal? [04:05] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:05] dive, confirmed, it does fill in forms [04:05] it is 13 and i musthave hal [04:05] it is required, right? [04:05] mancha, thanks [04:06] dchmelik: yes [04:06] i see hald in my ps output [04:06] anyway, as I said, alt+sysrq+r is your friend there [04:06] not if X just makes the keyboard stop working [04:06] Azalyn (n=junon@modemcable003.2-21-96.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [04:07] i do have the X keyboard driver installed [04:07] sysrq should preempt everything. [04:07] dchmelik: *that* will give you the keyboard back! [04:07] ViN86, now i copy it again# cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/mozilla//plugins/ [04:08] jekkt: try the firefox folder in /usr/lib [04:08] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dhfrknzgniwapkfl) joined ##slackware. [04:08] interesting... i will try this out... what antiwire told me to press has scrolled off the screen but it sounds like Camarade_Tux repeated it [04:08] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [04:08] should be firefox-3.5.2 or something like that [04:08] jekkt: copy it to the plugins directory inside the firefox folder [04:08] then restart firefox [04:08] ViN86, cp libflashplayer.so /usr/lib/firefox/plugins/ [04:09] jekkt: yes, that directory exists, right? [04:09] ViN86, yes [04:09] jekkt: yes that's the directory [04:09] I have troubles reading the backlog as the sun is really shining and the only thing I can see in the screen is my own image so I can repeat anything ;) [04:09] then restart firefox [04:09] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-69-105-44-91.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [04:09] *hot* [04:09] anyone have chromium working on slackware? [04:09] ViN86, i copy it yesterday into this directory and restart all nothing happen>) [04:09] I started seeding the DVD now [04:09] interesting, i got some debugging output [04:10] I'm uploading at ~70KB/s [04:10] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Success [04:10] jekkt: hmm you sure its not firefox-3.5.2 or something? it's actually named just firefox? [04:10] for me, it's firefox-3.5.2 [04:10] ViN86: look again, there are symlinks [04:10] it says it did not load fbdev and evdev modules and hal has a 'NewInputDeviceRequest' fail [04:10] jekkt: also, you didnt re-install firefox again, right? [04:10] ViN86, i copy it in both directories [04:11] ViN86, i use more web konqresor i didnt install again [04:12] antiwire: ahh ok [04:12] oh, yeah, seeding [04:12] jekkt: hmm idk why it isnt working... [04:12] cool, I have mlnet ;) [04:12] it seems like evdev is some new driver... but not for any device that i am using [04:12] Action: Camarade_Tux forwards the ports [04:13] it's the global one [04:13] bah, the generic one [04:13] does epdfview do forms? [04:13] mancha: if you give me a pdf with forms, I'll tell you [04:13] antiwire ups [04:13] use dive's [04:14] ViN86, i have to give chmod into this file maybe? [04:14] slackwared: ? [04:14] ok, apparently the problem was just some xorg input driver that has the string "evdev" in it... whatever that is [04:14] mancha, http://www.publicguardian.gov.uk/docs/lpa-pa-complete-0509.pdf [04:15] i used to only install keyboard and mouse drivers, etc., but it works now [04:15] antiwire++ [04:15] jekkt: maybe... i copied it as root [04:15] and i didnt need to chmod after... [04:15] slackwared: what are you talking about? [04:16] saying, hey nice seeding. smart [04:16] slackwared: has been rooted, kill the process, kill it! [04:16] Camarade, i think you'll find out the answer is no, if one is to believe the dev's changelog (no mention of that in it) [04:16] pkill -9 slackwared [04:17] Camarade_Tux: hehe... Im not a service [04:17] Camarade_Tux: Permission Granted :) [04:17] mancha: doesn't seem to [04:17] slackwared: that doesn't matter :D [04:18] /etc/rc.d/rc.slackwared stop [04:18] fire|bird: if any law office knocks against my door, I'll tell him to visit you instead ;p [04:18] omg people are raping me [04:18] i am the law [04:18] you rang? [04:18] Later guys. Have a good {morning|afternoon|evening} everyone. Take care. [04:19] later fire|bird [04:19] slackwared: No, not rape, just trying to get rid of you. :) [04:19] slackwared: but the real question is "are you enjoying it?" [04:19] see ya ViN86 [04:19] night fire|bird [04:19] andrew_50 (n=andrew@unaffiliated/andrew50/x-1857826) left irc: "leaving" [04:19] "no" he exclaims in between moans [04:19] night Camarade_Tux [04:19] mancha: lol [04:19] see ya guys. [04:20] Action: byteframe thinks x/glew and xap/x11-ssh-askpass were not listed as added packages in change_and_hints textfile. [04:20] fire|bird (n=silvergo@unaffiliated/silvergold) left ##slackware ("Success is not final, failure is not fatal, it is the courage to move on that counts"). [04:20] why is it 4:20 in the morning and im not tired... [04:20] Camarade_Tux, can you try this in epdfview please: http://www.publicguardian.gov.uk/docs/lpa-pa-complete-0509.pdf it should allow you o fill in the form boxes [04:21] Camarade_Tux, I _think_ I might have already tried epdfview but dont' remember now [04:21] dive: doesn't seem to be fill-able [04:22] Camarade_Tux, ok, thanks for checking anyway [04:23] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.22.178) joined ##slackware. [04:26] Camarade_Tux: do you play chess? [04:26] sidmario (n=xxx@201-95-149-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:27] greets the remaining slackers [04:27] greetings [04:27] slackwared: I used to but have stopped because I lacked the time to, and now I'm a bit rusted ;p [04:27] dive: :) [04:27] morning The-Croupier [04:29] adeodatu1 (i=1000@92.84.27.54) left irc: "leaving" [04:29] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) left irc: "leaving" [04:29] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FIFTY-SIX.MIT.EDU) left irc: "sleep" [04:31] hows it going with the new slackware... the other day was a frenzy [04:32] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) joined ##slackware. [04:34] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-ndvlckhqxqeqrwpv) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [04:34] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:34] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [04:34] Lapmann (n=nicklas@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:35] Quiznos (n=b@68.56.143.229) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [04:35] mako-sama (n=mako@81.22.25.233) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:37] fau_ (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [04:37] fAu (n=fAu@78-134-6-96.static.ngi.it) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:38] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:38] I see dead people. [04:38] well; got X to start w/o anything and can switch to tty but x displays nothing; and [04:39] ron1n (n=ron1n@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [04:39] can't load record, freetype, type; there's error on record: undef symbol [04:39] SkippedRequestsCallback [04:40] hey guys, if I install slackware 13 with QEMU, could I use dd to write that img to my hard drive and run with it? [04:40] abi mismatch and xtrap isnt loaded [04:41] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) left irc: "^D" [04:42] Slackware still uses Xorg 6.* right? (X -version is still fubar'd) [04:42] ron1n: better yet, install with qemu -hda /dev/your_hard_drive [04:42] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-hukafzfdrkzhwldi) joined ##slackware. [04:42] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "leaving" [04:42] i have x 1.6.3 here [04:42] that's server version [04:42] yea and? [04:43] koborld: thats a great idea. I was mainly thinking of trying it out, and if I like it replacing my old installation with the image. [04:43] why aren't you using qemu-img [04:43] dchmelik (n=d@71.93.27.3) joined ##slackware. [04:43] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:44] mancha: I can use qemu-img to write my installed and ready to go slackware.img to my hard disk? [04:44] i still think kde4 is pretty much wack, but i will use it in case i can report/debug stuff [04:44] it's not the xorg version.. unless we're still using 1.* when 7.* is out. [04:44] i.e. make a 6-7gig image file and install to it [04:44] oahong`` (n=user@218.22.80.151) joined ##slackware. [04:44] what do you mean ready to go image? [04:44] mancha: thats what I did do, but I'm looking to possibly install that to my hard disk [04:44] After i iwlist wlan0 scan, how to connected to one from the scanned networks [04:44] quasar i installed what I ftpd from mirror [04:44] from the konsole [04:44] I am configuring slackware 13 via qemu now [04:45] oh you want to turn your qemu image into an image you can paste into your drive? [04:45] if I like it, I want to take my configured image, and replace my current OS with it [04:45] more or less, yeah [04:45] quasar, I was under the impression we are on 7.x [04:45] I don't think paste is the term, but yeah I want to write it to my hard disk. [04:45] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-hukafzfdrkzhwldi) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [04:45] paste is as good as any as long as we're communicating effectively [04:45] i.e. d'ya grok me solder? [04:46] its just theory now, I may think its rubbish and stick with slackware 10 [04:46] soldier* [04:46] I only said that cause I know it isn't as simple as drag and drop =P [04:46] /usr/bin/Xorg -ver == 1.6.3 [04:46] so it is possible? and is dd the tool for the job? [04:47] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.169) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:47] ron1n, good question, i don't know [04:47] ron1n: you can try [04:47] oahong`` (n=user@218.22.80.151) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] technically a raw qemu-img disk file is just that, a raw disk image, it is mountable and everything [04:47] its not possible to see exactly the X version, just to have an idea of it [04:47] dive: good, then I wont need Gatos :D [04:47] ron1n, you can always tar the whole thing and untar onto a drive partition [04:48] slackwared what? [04:48] so dd'ing should theoretically work [04:48] has anyone managed to get rid of the animation in kde4? [04:48] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [04:48] ron1n: does the image reside on a disk distinct from /dev/your_hard_drive? [04:48] dchmelik, what animation? [04:48] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-120.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [04:48] slackwared: this sure looks like it shows me the version: X -version [04:48] ... [04:49] ok; i'll ignore that comment [04:49] koborld: the image resides on the drive that holds my current running OS [04:49] X.Org X Server 1.6.3 Release Date: 2009-7-31 X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0 Build Operating System: Slackware 13.0 Slackware Linux Project [04:49] antiwire: you're actually seeing the server version [04:49] slackwared: yes and? [04:49] antiwire any suggestions on my prob? [04:49] dive: *every* animation: i want it to be like windows 3.1--not all that later crap [04:50] desktop effects in system settings for you then [04:50] thanks, i guess i did not take a close enough look [04:50] i dont get this [04:51] ron1n, i am too tired right now to consider what happens when the geometry is different [04:51] dive: you're right.. 12 had 7.2 :) [04:51] i do have the desktop effects disabled... but it is still doing a little bit of effects and that is unacceptable [04:51] hmmm, what do I need to share the slackware13 torrent? I mean, where is the good torrent? [04:51] quasar, I'm not sure but skel says 7.4 in the version number so maybe we're on that [04:51] antiwire: and theres no way to check X11 release [04:51] ron1n: is the drive holding your current running OS distinct from the drive you want to write the image to? [04:52] Camarade_Tux: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [04:52] quasar, x11-skel-7.4-i486-1 [04:52] slackwared: what on Earth are you talking about? [04:52] dive: that's probably right, 7.4 is the latest and was released almost a year ago [04:52] anyone know what script runs when pm-hibernate resumes from hibernation? [04:52] antiwire /ig him; he's just plain wrong. (not even a troll but worse) [04:53] he is _not_ wrong [04:53] koborld: I wish to replace my current OS with the data stored on that IMG. As in, they are one in the same disk. [04:53] dive splain [04:53] dive ++ [04:53] X11 version differs from the versions of the separate packages etc [04:53] any get installed eee-control on 13 ? ( for eeepc) [04:54] don't you recall that /etc/X11 used to be symlinked to /etc/X116 or some such? [04:54] well x still doesnt work here; how do i fix my prob? i rm'd all x packages, regot all x/ and installed them all. [04:54] this prob seem more like a mirror prob (wrong files) than mine [04:54] well that '6' was because X11 version was 6.x [04:54] ron1in: do you expect that, after writing the IMG, you will see on the drive just the partitions you're now seeing inside qemu? [04:55] ron1n: Unless you have backups of the existing system you are taking a very big chance. [04:55] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.156.170) joined ##slackware. [04:55] hello [04:56] antiwire, Quiznos, "The current X.Org release is X11R7.4" http://www.x.org/wiki/ [04:56] koborld: yeah thats what I am aiming for [04:56] Quiznos: I was going to help you but now I dont want anymore... [04:56] dive so how does that fit with what's available in 13? [04:56] antiwire: its not the data that I'm worried about, just the time it takes to install the OS twice. Once in QEMU, and again on my hard disk. [04:56] slackwared ok [04:57] its much more elegant to "port" my existing installation to my hard disk [04:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [04:57] Quiznos, the X11 version in 13.0 is 7.x probably 7.4 as quasar said [04:57] hi Quiznos [04:57] ihi [04:57] Quiznos: I sat here the other night as you upgraded your box, and posted your every move, and it seemed pretty funky to me. I'm really not surprised you have a broken box. [04:57] ron1in: therefore, if you now do a simple dd using your current running OS (like dd if=IMG of=/dev/hda), then you'll probably lose both your old and new system [04:57] chopp thanks [04:58] ahh I see. [04:58] well all the files i got were from an approved and active mirror. [04:58] Because I am referring to the disk img that is on the disk I plan on writing too. [04:58] ron1n: you somehow plan to write a disk image to the same disk it is stored on? [04:58] Quiznos, I thought you had some experience using/upgrading slack? [04:58] r0n1n, i think you should put the .img on another medium, boot a live cd, mount both and cp -a from the image to your partition or tar [04:58] antiwire: I didn't think of it that way =P [04:59] mancha: yupp that sounds like a better idea [04:59] alright thanks guys for talking me out of something stupid =] [04:59] dive well it's still running here; so yea. x is just one component [04:59] makesure to make the fs on the dest drive beforehand, etc [05:00] you don't need to make an fs on a disk that you plan to dd a full disk image to. [05:00] the dd image will contain everything. [05:00] then you'll have to make sure fstab plays ball and write an mbr [05:00] not if the geometries differ, you can end up with wasted space [05:00] antiwire: I am aware of that. The FS should remain intact. [05:00] but i'm too tired to argue, do whatever you want [05:00] mancha: that is not correct at all. dd will not change the space at all [05:00] mancha: I see, I have a 1TB drive and a 10GB image. [05:01] ron1n: then the 'qemu -hda /dev/hda' idea will also not work. it would work if your old and new system are on distinct partitions. [05:01] koborld: okay, I see now. [05:01] antiwire, i don't know what you're talking about [05:01] mancha: if you write an image with a single 10GB partition to a 1TB disk you get a 10GB partition. and empty space [05:02] and what process created the partition table? [05:02] there is absolutely no need to format a disk that is going to receive a full dd image [05:02] dd [05:02] Action: TwinReverb doesn't know what the penchant with imaging using dd is [05:02] it's a raw disk image... [05:02] why not just use the imaging tools that are FS-specific or built into (say) RAID or LVM? [05:02] TwinReverb: then you've never had to image a disk in a situation that required a bit for bit copy. [05:02] i disagree, if the underlying geometries differ it is not as simple as that [05:02] antiwire, then enlighten me [05:02] mancha: you're wrong. [05:03] wouldn't the table stay intact from that of the image? [05:03] i think you're wrong [05:03] r0n1n, yes, but then you're left with all this unused space on your destination drive [05:03] mancha: there is absolutely no sense in formatting a destination disk if you plan to dd a raw disk image on to it. [05:03] ron1n: you could set up a new partion and then dd the date to there [05:03] mancha: dd will not resize the image anyway.... [05:04] antiwire, i don't think this is being discussed, i have a feeling you are not understanding my original comment [05:04] antiwire, what situations require (not just "can" use but "require" use of) dd for images? [05:04] we are all in agreement that dd is a byte-for-byte copy [05:04] TwinReverb: for disk forensics [05:04] this is not under discusion [05:04] TwinReverb: dead or dieing hard disks for one [05:04] (other than maybe growisofs since it's burning an optical drive) [05:05] ron1n, why? [05:05] I wonder if slackbook comes with first cd? [05:05] antiwire, ok, then why do people in here recommend dd when forensics aren't being performed? [05:05] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-dggyonmcyfcsxots) joined ##slackware. [05:05] mancha: this byte-for-byte is configurable, could be kb-for-kb and mb-for-mb [05:05] TwinReverb: because you end up will a fully loop mountable disk image [05:05] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@S0106001d7ee17c6d.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:06] antiwire, thanks, that makes much more sense now [05:06] whetever your metric, it is still byte for byte, smallest unit available [05:06] I want to install f series. How to do that with slackpkg? [05:07] mancha: so dd will attempt to "stretch" this 10GB image across a 1TB hd? [05:07] ron1n: no. [05:07] ron1n no it won't which is the issue [05:07] you will have all this empty space on your drive [05:07] at the end of the disk, correct? [05:07] unless all you want is a target 10GB syste on your 1TB drive and you want the rest for something else [05:08] if you take an image of a 10GB disk that has a single partition on it and dd it to a 1000GB disk you get a 10GB parititon and beyond that you will have empty, unpartitioned space. [05:08] I want to encrypt or decrypt, or change encryption password on a whole HDD disk or a partition on a HDD. I can create the encrypted device with cryptsetup. Then use dd if=raw device of=crypt device or the other way... a larger bs= (block size) will make it go faster, but will wrong block size corrupt the data? [05:08] you can then use parted to stretch it [05:08] you could expand using gparted or the underlying cli tools of course. but the saner way imo is to mount both and cp [05:08] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:08] well I can deal with a 10GB / partition and mount my /home directories else were on the disk (once formatted) [05:08] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:08] mancha: but your solution sounds more sane. [05:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-113.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [05:09] I want to install f series. How to do that with slackpkg? [05:09] adeodatus, doesnt work I think. you cant give it a series [05:11] slackytude: What should I do then? [05:11] adeodatus, got a cd / dvd? [05:11] adeodatus, if not, get the f dir from any mirror [05:12] I was thinking to use a bs=1024K or something large [05:12] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-13.0/slackware/f/ [05:12] actually thats only two packages [05:12] ron1n another benefit that cp (or tar pipes) have over a dd copy is that if the 10g image is 50% full you only copy 50% of the stuff. dd will copy the empty space too [05:12] just give the name of those to slackpkg [05:13] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [05:13] slackytude: thanks [05:13] if you have a cd... can you not just select advanced, and then select only /f ? [05:15] if you already have a system, its easier to just do a installpkg *txz inside the dir [05:15] what do mean The-Croupier ? [05:15] or installpkg f/*txz [05:16] mancha: I see what you were getting at now [05:16] I missed a section in the buffer [05:16] MrEntropy (n=entropy@219-90-163-227.ip.adam.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:16] freealan (n=freealan@218-174-138-120.dynamic.hinet.net) left irc: Client Quit [05:16] yo [05:16] anyone know where i can snag an OOo slackpack? [05:17] I thought you had told him to format the destination disk before he uses dd to copy an image to the disk [05:17] adeodatus: what slackytude says, but i was saying, if you have the cd, maybe you can run the installer and see if you could see the f part [05:17] MrEntropy: www.slackbuilds.com [05:17] morning everyone [05:17] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [05:17] Kaapa: oops. Did i mention 13.0? [05:17] fd [05:17] sorry [05:18] MrEntropy: irrelevant. Answer's the same [05:18] MrEntropy: see rlworkman.net theres a package there for both 32bit & 64bit [05:18] yay! [05:18] =D [05:18] antary (n=antary@142-82-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) joined ##slackware. [05:19] foobarz (i=1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: "Leaving" [05:19] wooohoo! thanks guys [05:19] antiwire, it happens, especially when there's lots of scroll (happens to me all the time) [05:20] hiya Kaapa [05:21] it took me 12 hours to figure out how to compile the driver, install all the rubbish, fix a driver crash, hack apart some crap and get 3D acceleration working on my VIA Chrome9 card (laptop). What a half-baked accelerator that thing is. [05:22] call911 (n=a@adsl240-79.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:22] MrEntropy: you expect more from VIA? [05:22] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left ##slackware. [05:23] LSD`: I suppose I shouldn't have, but for that convoluted an install procedure, i was expecting a little more than 1200 frames of glxgears in a tiny window. [05:24] cowabunga [05:24] hi to all! i install slackware 13 and can't compile nvidia-kernel, using slackbuild from slackbuilds.org. Nvidia-driver build and install without problem, but when i try build nvidia-kernel, i retrieve message "The C compiler 'cc' does not appear to be able to create executables. Please make sure you have your Linux distribution's gcc and libc development packages installed.*** Failed CC sanity check. Bailing out! ***make: *** [select_ [05:24] makefile] Error 1" Can anybody help me? P.S Sorry, my english is very bad :( [05:25] floodzilla [05:25] sry [05:25] it eat part of my question [05:25] x1user (i=1000@host-212-75-8-69.bbccable.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:25] antary: to gcc -V [05:25] do* [05:25] tell me what that says [05:25] i'm betting on missing lib [05:26] Motoko-chan (n=maoyama@pool-173-60-119-54.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "End Of Line" [05:26] i just fed the baby blueberries. i wonder if his poop will be purple or what haha [05:26] gasp, not seeding properly [05:26] i still don';t understand how creatures so small can produce so much poo [05:26] and so smelly [05:27] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) joined ##slackware. [05:27] gcc -v ../gcc-4.3.3/configure --prefix=/usr --libdir=/usr/lib --enable-shared --enable-bootstrap --enable-languages=ada,c,c++,fortran,java,objc --enable-threads=posix --enable-checking=release --with-system-zlib --disable-libunwind-exceptions --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-libssp --with-gnu-ld --verbose --with-arch=i486 --target=i486-slackware-linux --build=i486-slackware-linux --host=i486-slackware-linux [05:27] they're evil [05:27] gcc version 4.3.3 [05:27] what is this wpa_gui in my menu and do i need it? i have wicd [05:27] antary: ok, so i was wrong. Now you have to make sure you have kernel-headers [05:27] call911 (n=a@adsl240-79.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:27] yeah it can get pretty nasty [05:27] i did it twice [05:27] really deppends on what he eats [05:28] well then fuck it, do you know how to code C? write a small app and compile [05:28] antary, those things in SBo are verified. do you have a non-standard slack13 of any kind? [05:28] antary: this message is just useless, you need to find the temp files in /var or in /tmp [05:29] /tmp/self*/... [05:29] must be a log somewhere [05:29] hmm openoffice.org needs to be downloaded as slackbuild =/ [05:29] antary: put this in a test.c file: int main(void) { return 0; } [05:29] Now do gcc -Wall test.c -o test [05:29] wpa_gui is a smallish (last i saw quite immature) gui interface to wpa_supplicant by the wpa_supplicant folks. it is made irrelevant if you use wicd [05:29] but i guess i nedd to keep it as wpa_supplicant is needed by wicd isnt it [05:29] mancha: standard slack13, installed from SlackDVD. Nvidia-driver builds fine, nvidia-kernel - don't [05:30] did you install nvidia-driver after making it? [05:30] no need to [05:30] yep [05:30] ron1n (n=ron1n@75.97.224.176.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:30] but again, you need to find that log (don't exit the "installer" at the end) and pastebin it [05:31] and you used the driver versions in the slackbuilds? [05:31] mancha: yes [05:31] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:32] Camarade_Tux: i'm not run installer manually, i try to build slackware package [05:32] iirc it is pprkut who deals with the nvidia stuff. he is often here, ask him if you see him. my understsnding is that all the SBo stuff is actually checked before posting... [05:33] Action: pprkut is here [05:33] MrEntropy: /usr/libexec/gcc/i486-slackware-linux/4.3.3/cc1: error while loading shared libraries: libmpfr.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. Is it my problem? [05:34] do you have mpfr installed? [05:34] i.e. seems you didn't do a full install of slack13, what did you exclude? [05:34] antary: then reduce the level of automation it does (there is a switch for that when running the .bin, juste ./crappy.bin --help and compare with the slackbuild) [05:34] or ^Z the slackbuild when it fails [05:34] antary: as mancha said, you need that lib [05:35] mpfr is *in* gcc [05:35] iirc [05:35] mancha: wait, i'll see in pkgtool [05:35] i don't think so, it's a separate pack [05:35] no Camarade, it is a separate package [05:35] gasp, no, separate, right [05:35] antary: ls /var/log/packages/mpfr* [05:36] excluding stuff from "l" is not such a hot idea... [05:37] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: "Low Battery." [05:37] mancha: yep, i see it/ i install mpfr library and package is succesfully builded. thanks to all, guys [05:38] welcome. don't exclude libs unless you have a good reason [05:39] siimo (n=siimo@unaffiliated/siimo) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:40] mancha: unfortunately, sometimes my self-conseit is so big :( i'll try to fight it :) [05:40] http://www.osnews.com/story/22074/Slackware_13_0_Released <-- first paragraph quote: "Among OSNews readers, Slackware is a surprisingly popular choice when it comes to Linux distributions." [05:41] manitou (n=manitou@3e6b8fa1.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:41] slackware is by far the best distro ever. hands down. [05:42] try windows 7 [05:42] Action: slackytude hides [05:42] slackytude: you better :) [05:42] room-wide rage ensues [05:42] antary (n=antary@142-82-178-94.pool.ukrtel.net) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [05:43] some of us are forced to use windows :( [05:43] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] The-Croupier: commiserations - except for my other half and my sister-in-law, I've cleaned windows out of our house [05:44] (both laptops) [05:44] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:44] The-Croupier: no one can blame you. It's so ingrained in business and 95% of homes that sometimes you just have to. Sucks, but c'est la vie [05:44] Action: slackytude uses windows at work [05:44] and win7 looks nice [05:44] gio1234 (n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.109) joined ##slackware. [05:44] the best os by MS [05:44] yeah, but that's pretty much what it has going for it [05:44] slackytude: so does my kid's kitchen art - but it's not something that would make it mainstream :) [05:44] nah, seems to work good, too [05:44] if eye candy is it, then man... [05:45] if eyecandy...people are using the computer for the wrong reasons... [05:46] ohhh look i can change color to this... wow... [05:46] lets name it another version of windows :p [05:46] Action: quasar wasn't impressed with Windows7 and went back to WIndows XP [05:46] quasar, why not? [05:46] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:47] alison thanks for the post. [05:47] gio1234 (n=jhjhxh@81.95.167.109) left ##slackware. [05:47] mancha: np (whatever post that was :) ) [05:47] http://www.osnews.com/comments/22081 <-- this looks interesting [05:47] slackytude: setup/startup took forever and required 4x as many reboots.. [05:48] quasar, O_o [05:48] The-Croupier: lol [05:48] the "it is a very popular distrib" from a minute ago! [05:48] "iXRIOS is going to be restricted to commercial USA corporations. All government and non-profits are excluded from the program." [05:48] mancha: ah [05:48] /dcc ginkgo biloba [05:49] oahong` (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [05:49] Camarade_Tux: do you smell something to this..or is it just me? [05:49] :) [05:49] The-Croupier: read the comments? the first one is pretty interesting [05:49] lunch break \o/ [05:50] slackytude: no joke, after the setup was 100% completely done it took 10 minutes to reboot.. it's not because the system was slow either (running Phenom Quad 9550, 4GB of RAM, 1TB hd space) [05:50] quasar, eh, strange [05:50] The-Croupier: for a second I thought you were commenting on " /dcc ginkgo biloba" :) [05:51] alisonken1noc: sorry, didnt even read what he said... [05:51] slackytude: you running 64 or 32 bit? (I was trying 64) [05:51] quasar, 32 [05:51] Camarade_Tux: yeah...thats what i thought as well... [05:51] maybe that's it /shrug [05:52] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:52] AlexElliott__ (n=alex@client-82-13-25-3.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:52] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:52] droog (n=droog@unaffiliated/droog) joined ##slackware. [05:52] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.169) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:53] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [05:54] morning [05:55] Action: Zordrak lets out a beautiful sigh, with it being Bank Holiday Monday and all, with me still being in bed. [05:56] obnauticus (n=l@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:56] dchmelik (n=d@71.93.27.3) left irc: "leaving" [05:56] mornig Zordrak [05:56] Nick change: oahong` -> oahong [05:56] EH [05:56] Action: slackytude already at work for hours [05:56] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [05:57] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:58] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] Zordrak: bank holiday? [05:58] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:58] About 1% of the population is at work today. [05:58] I'm not one of them. [05:59] nobody works because politicians did it [06:00] Zordrak: what bank holiday? [06:00] damn houses's companies arruined world wide jobs [06:01] August Bank Holiday [06:01] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_holiday [06:02] ah [06:02] you guys across the pond, then [06:04] what is the possibility that a disc is a coaster if you ctrl-c it right after it started? [06:04] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.169) left irc: "ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs)" [06:04] cdrecored gives 10 secs to abort recording, growisofs doesn't [06:04] jekkt (n=jekkt@p548A4ACF.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:04] id say about 100% [06:04] john_dee: can you say "how many coasters do you want?" [06:05] alisonken1church: :D [06:05] alisonken1church: what would that mean? [06:06] Zordrak: so it starts writing right after you press enter? i mean it sounds like it's calibrating or something and shows 0% progress [06:06] for about 3-5 seconds [06:07] well the drive has to spin up [06:07] and the laser has to position [06:07] and the buffer has to fill [06:07] depends on your equipment how long that takes [06:08] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:08] Having said that about holidays.. I'm only at work tomorrow, then I'm off 'til next Monday. [06:09] Taking three days off for my birthday :) [06:09] Think we might be going camping. [06:09] well. will see about that. tho, a timeout in growisofs would be nice. like in cdrecord. for retards like me, who press first and think later %) [06:11] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [06:14] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.154.181) joined ##slackware. [06:14] hi all [06:15] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:15] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-dggyonmcyfcsxots) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [06:15] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:16] Nick change: Camarade_Tux -> ClonedTux [06:17] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:17] storms a brewin [06:18] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.156.170) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [06:19] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [06:19] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:20] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:22] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [06:24] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-yakgnqtmmkwfnohj) left irc: "Page closed" [06:24] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:24] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:25] Zordrak, sounds nice [06:26] anyone know how many seeders/leechers on the slackware32-13 dvd iso ? [06:26] Action: ClonedTux get 5k request in 20 minutes [06:27] s/get/got/ [06:28] ClonedTux: i'm seeding (antiwire too, i think). but apparently there are no requests yet. [06:28] koborld: and does the tracker report stats? [06:29] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) joined ##slackware. [06:30] ClonedTux: dunno if my client can show tracker stats. just connect and see? [06:31] koborld: mine doesn't ;) [06:32] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:32] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [06:32] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] otoh, i haven't observed upload or download on that particular torrent. so maybe my client is incompatible and i'm not really seeding. [06:32] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:33] last time i had the torrent up there were about 500/500 seeders/leechers [06:36] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:36] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:37] linXea (n=e@130.238.103.3) joined ##slackware. [06:37] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:37] now it's reporting 553 seeders and 260 leechers [06:40] mmh, that tracker doesn't seem to want me. i see zero activity. no problem with tpb torrents.. [06:42] linXea (n=e@130.238.103.3) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:43] the torrents are up on linuxtracker too. you can see s/l's there too http://linuxtracker.org/ [06:45] geno (n=geno@125-236-175-211.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:45] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:46] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:46] well, 3.1:1 up:down ratio \o/ [06:47] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.104) joined ##slackware. [06:49] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:49] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [06:50] sahko: i'm seeding for real now. thanks. [06:50] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [06:50] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [06:50] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:50] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [06:52] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) joined ##slackware. [06:52] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) joined ##slackware. [06:52] to whom it may concern: the torrent http://slackware.com/torrents/slackware-13.0-install-dvd.torrent does not work with the client http://www.murmeldjur.se/btpd/btpd-0.15.tar.gz (started thus: btpd -p 2001) [06:53] Pumpkins1979 (n=echo@wikipedia/Pumpkins1979) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [06:53] koborld: it concerns client's authors, i believe [06:54] Nick change: ClonedTux -> Camarade_Tux [06:54] How make flash drive to stay mounted? [06:55] adeodatus : don't unmount it [06:55] in fact, that's the default behavior. so what's the problem you have on your hands? [06:55] koborld: I'm a bit confused on how a .torrent file tells a client "do not download this" .. I would've thought the client had more to do with the inability of downloading than the .torrent [06:58] koborld: the best thing to do is to mail the author (as there are no other contacts on his site) and point him to this torrent file [06:59] tux1 (n=tux1@195.158.108.189) joined ##slackware. [07:02] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn58.78-99-193.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [07:02] MrEntropy (n=entropy@219-90-163-227.ip.adam.com.au) left ##slackware. [07:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:04] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:06] StevenR (n=foo@user-5445b1f8.lns2-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:06] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) left irc: Connection reset by peer [07:07] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [07:09] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:09] SuN (i=default@195-241-252-199.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:10] john_dee, quasar: bollocks! hogwash! on a whim i started btpd on the standard port (6881) and now it's *uploading* for the very same slackware.com torrent. [07:11] koborld: and that makes it the .torrent file's fault how? [07:11] if I shutdown a nfs server without unmount nfs folders on clients, they will freeze when I want to access to on of this folder, is there a way to fix this ? [07:11] the torrent didn't tell your client to use a nonstandard port [07:12] oh, but the .torrent points to a tracker, does it not? and the tracker doesn't want clients serving on port 2001, does it? [07:12] tracker doesn't care what port you serve on [07:13] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-ucbvmhdsxqkqovnt) joined ##slackware. [07:14] quasar: that can be arranged %) [07:14] hm? [07:15] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) left irc: "leaving" [07:15] koborld: still it's either client's problem or tracker's. not .torrent's [07:15] Camarade_Tux (n=adrien@procyon.via.ecp.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:15] quasar: tracker can be set up to refuse clients using specific port [07:15] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) joined ##slackware. [07:16] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:16] cteg (i=d907d461@gateway/web/freenode/x-ucbvmhdsxqkqovnt) left irc: Ping timeout: 180 seconds [07:18] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:19] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wkxjjbbnliozdxpc) joined ##slackware. [07:19] ok, so the .torrent file points to a tracker that seems to be misconfigured in a nonobvious way, causing certain client configurations to not work [07:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. 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[07:26] Stanto (n=Stanto@82-39-229-89.cable.ubr07.newc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [07:27] jumperboy (n=jumperbo@gl206.websiteproject.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:27] quasar: *I* never blame google for that -_- [07:27] Camarade_Tux: I do... damn big brother. [07:27] hehe :P [07:28] how you doin Camarade? [07:28] hungry ;) [07:28] and you? [07:28] setting up mythtv [07:29] quasar: commiserations [07:30] quasar: i tacitly assumed that the admins hosting the .torrent file on slackware.com are the same as those who take care of the tracker. if so, the google analogy doesn't apply [07:31] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-glrxbecwajpbcphb) joined ##slackware. [07:32] is there something to check if an email address/box exists? [07:32] send a mail ? [07:32] and hope for no bounceback? [07:34] hmmm :( other than those? [07:35] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] finger email@address.tld ? [07:35] The-Croupier: local? [07:35] i sent a friend request to pat on facebook :) [07:36] volkerdi@slackware.com? [07:36] adeodatus (i=1000@92.84.27.54) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:36] let's see if he replies :) [07:37] i have a list of email addresses... our customers,,,but some of them have not used their emails for ages...and some do not exist anymore... i need to filter those not working...:( [07:37] local or otherwise i dont mind ...as long as i can filter all those... sending an email to all those is not applicable..it will take me 2years at least [07:37] what format is the list in? [07:38] i can export in anything...even xls [07:39] I was asking 'local' abotu the email addresses... if you're doing this on the box that hosts the email then it would be a lot easier than if they're hosted remotely (especially if they're contained in an sql database) [07:40] no i am doing it locally [07:40] i have all the emails in this computer, cvs, txt,xls format if that helps [07:41] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Action: quasar starts to wonder if we're talking about two different things now [07:42] that was in reply to your question about checking to see if an email address exists [07:51] tux1 (n=tux1@195.158.108.189) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:51] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:52] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [07:52] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [07:53] from the top: i have a list of emails in my pc(locally), format (cvs,txt,xls)- i wanted to check if any of these guys is not using their emails anymore.. is there a way to do that, apart from sending all of them an email, because they are alot of them, and i will be classified as a spammer. [07:53] quasar: better? [07:53] if they're local - check the atime on their inbox [07:53] when was the last time the inbox was looked at? [07:54] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:54] check the internal times in the mails; perl or awk it [07:54] The-Croupier: just to make sure we're on the same page, your computer hosts the email? (ie: you run dovecot/postfix/others?) [07:55] or you have access to the mailserver that holds their emails until they d/l them? [07:55] they are customers emails. they are not hosted by me.. [07:56] so they're not locally hosted.. the only way you can test them remotely is to either log into the box that does the hosting or send each and every one an email (or possibly finger, but I doubt it) [07:56] The-Croupier "locally" means "hosted" but do you mean that they are communications between you and them and you are not a mail-service-provider, then ok [07:56] alisonken1noc: i could check the time, if they were in the company, they are customers emails, not hosted by me, i just have a list that the boss gave me, and i have to filter and see, how many of them gave him wrong/invalid/fake emails. so i can filter them out for him [07:56] well, finger on my google account just hangs :) [07:56] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Quiznos: yes, exactly, ill note that down,, lots of terminology there for me [07:57] Quiznos: thanks [07:57] yw [07:57] The-Croupier so you have a datafile, that contains what? [07:57] or, do you have the mailbodies? [07:57] email addresses only [07:57] ok what else? [07:57] nothing [07:58] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.156.170) joined ##slackware. [07:58] The-Croupier: well, the only thing I can think of would be to send a polite email along the lines of "we're checking our email service and would appreciate some information from you to update our service" or somesuch. bounce messages with "user not found" would be a good indicator then [07:58] tell your boss you cannot do the assignment; you "need whole-emails to do the filtering." [07:58] Action: metrofox is back ;) [07:58] Quiznos: what do you mean ... "whole emails?" [07:59] alisonken1church: I'm already not liking mythtv and all I've done is ./configure lol [07:59] quasar: :) [07:59] alisonken1church: not very verbose [07:59] heders and body of each and every email to check. [07:59] headers [07:59] quasar: have you tried the ir remote yet? [07:59] Quiznos: i see... damn [07:59] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn58.78-99-193.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [07:59] thanks again guys [07:59] The-Croupier else... [07:59] alisonken1church: nah, probably wont either.. only remote I have is from my Remote Wonder II and it's hooked up to this machine lol [08:00] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Nick collision from services. [08:00] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:00] The-Croupier with only email addy; you cn write a script (perl|awk|etal) to build an email to send out requesting that reciever send back email as is (reply with no amendment) so you know whatever [08:00] Nick change: caio -> Guest73466 [08:01] gm152 (n=glen@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:01] alisonken1church: having to use unstable svn too since they haven't declared a version as stable with qt-4 [08:02] Quiznos: i could the truth is... but there is a small problem... : boss will go crazy if i tell him i wrote a script, and more crazy for linux... [08:02] The-Croupier your boss hates you :) why did he assign this task? [08:02] The-Croupier tell him "i used the best tools for the job at my disposal" [08:02] The-Croupier then say "your mental health is your duty not mine" [08:05] ahh, nothing like bosses who do not know enough about technology, and obviously don't want to listen to technical advisors [08:05] echo "Just wanted to say OH HAI!" > email .. while read line ; do mail -s "Hello" $line < email ; done < listofemails <-- that's how I'd do it. [08:05] The-Croupier what did boss expect by giving only email addy's [08:05] quasar nods [08:05] buh? [08:05] 'oh hai, i can haz reply?' [08:05] heh [08:05] bo0?! [08:05] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [08:06] this sounds like something you should be doing in perl [08:06] The-Croupier : your first question for him should have been: what's the real problem you're trying to solve? [08:06] amen [08:06] ananke: +++++ [08:06] thats my work mantra.. stop asking me to do stupid things and tell me what youre trying to achieve [08:07] we've trained our helpdesk people to start solving problems that way [08:08] Action: quasar wishes his minifridge would hurry up and defrost [08:08] use hair dryer [08:08] dont have one [08:08] ask a girl [08:08] its just so hard where I am because the people telling me to do stupid things are software engineers... but they are so narrow-focussed.. they understand how to write python and C for embedded network stacks.. but they know shit-all about network/OS administration [08:09] I had a space heater blasting it but this room was getting a bit warm [08:09] quasar : just don't use screwdriver+hammer. [08:09] unplug it too [08:09] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] it's not unplugged but the thermoststat is set to 'off' [08:09] open box [08:09] yep [08:09] k [08:09] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [08:09] heater is still sitting in the door propping it open.. just not turned on [08:10] put feet in it [08:10] pff, I've got gas, I'll put my ass in there.. that should clear it out rpetty quick [08:10] ew [08:10] Zordrak : developers. that bunch usually has such lousy habits when it comes to scenarios where maintainability and stability is required [08:10] "My email is giving me an error message so the mail server must be broken." "My computer has no network so the network must be broken" "I want to use subversion, so I'll just install a subversion repository on my local machine" [08:11] If I hear one more sentence that starts "But can't you just.." I will be murdering [08:11] Zordrak: what's wrong with running a subversion repository?! [08:11] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-427028.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:11] quasar: the fact that the company SVN server is on a slack box I manage.. NOT on their local machine which, when it breaks, they will scream bloody murder because it wasnt backed up, or because no-one else can access it [08:12] exactly [08:12] complete and utter lack of consideration for what it takes to maintain systems [08:12] the world revolves around their little environment [08:12] oahong (n=user@122.225.61.169) joined ##slackware. [08:12] + [08:12] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422257.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:12] ah, thinking on two different terms.. I'm not running an svn yet, but I've thought about it.. just to get experience in setting one up and maintaining it [08:13] quasar: dont [08:13] quasar: if you havent yet started, dont use SVN. Use git [08:13] I'd probably do both [08:13] not because I _need_ them.. [08:13] quasar: go with qit [08:13] Action: ananke should set up git repo this week. already registered hostname [08:13] s/qit/git/ [08:14] ok - Zordrak beat me to it :) [08:14] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 [08:14] are there any decent front-ends, preferrably web based ones, to manage git? [08:14] I dont need either one.. but having experience with both isn't a bad thing, right? [08:14] quasar: maybe.. but concentrate on git [08:15] quasar : you can always start with something as simple as rcs [08:15] rcs is often all you need to track some random little things [08:16] lagann_ (n=hex@c-24-61-204-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:17] Hm. I just wanted to ask you for help, but now suddenly it is all goin on, but I still wonder: [08:17] When I startet my laptop, it said: /dev/sda3 has been mounted for 28 times without being checked, check forced. And then it took at least 3 minutes before it left the 0.1 % status. Maybe because yesterday I "tar-ed" a copy of my 120 GB /home and now sda3 is almost full? [08:20] no that is just normal ext[234]fs behavior [08:20] that youtube link is linus talking about git at google [08:20] yes. [08:20] it is. [08:21] Zordrak: I was just making a note for people who don't normally just click on any link [08:21] :) [08:21] ok [08:21] where did you get it? in a tech museum? :-) (it is quite old) [08:22] agentc0re is the reason I stopped following links in here, blame him [08:22] hanyways.. nuff procrastinating.. i have a 30s kernel compile guide to write [08:22] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:22] heh [08:22] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [08:22] quasar: :) [08:23] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-422257.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [08:24] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[08:33] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-dhfrknzgniwapkfl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:33] well, not using that myself but you need to install xz first (basically upgrade all the .tgz files) [08:34] i did install it, installpkg /root/slackware/a/xz-*.tgz [08:34] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:35] hyakki: upgradepkg --install-new */*.tgz first [08:36] ok ill try [08:37] same ..maybe i have a conflicting liblzma lib somewhere [08:38] koborld (n=koborld@e179155075.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [08:40] mrselfpwn (i=nemesis@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-ludpwbxyqfikcavq) joined ##slackware. [08:41] hm lzma-4.999.5alpha-i586-1 package was installed ..think it was causing a conflict [08:41] removed it and now xz works [08:42] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:43] grazymax (n=grazymax@host11-152-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:44] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) left irc: "Leaving" [08:46] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:47] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Guest73466 (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [08:48] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:48] oahong (n=user@unaffiliated/samigarus) left irc: Client Quit [08:49] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Client Quit [08:49] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:49] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [08:51] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:52] Strykar (n=wakka@122.170.17.141) joined ##slackware. [08:54] hrm [08:54] ok [08:54] Im missing 8000 ? here [08:54] thats bad [08:55] 800 what? braincells? [08:55] :) [08:55] 8000 [08:55] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.216.229) joined ##slackware. [08:55] ? [08:56] Tirili (n=Janisz20@dslc-082-083-132-070.pools.arcor-ip.net) left ##slackware. [08:56] you're missing 8000 what? [08:56] ? [08:56] euro [08:56] Tirili (n=Janisz20@82.83.132.70) joined ##slackware. [08:56] opps [08:56] thats the euro sign [08:56] Tirili (n=Janisz20@82.83.132.70) left ##slackware. [08:56] just came up as a question mark here [08:56] bah! [08:56] same [08:56] and I thought I had kdei installed [08:56] alrite, $16000 [08:57] that's another way :) [08:57] Action: quasar hax0red slackytude. [08:57] now if you could toss that extra my way :) [08:58] I shant! [08:58] dang [08:58] and here I thought I could get a free trip to europe without signing my life away again [08:59] well, its not really my money anyway [08:59] I wouldnt be as calm if it was [08:59] even better [08:59] How to change file permssion? [08:59] adeodatus, a hammer [08:59] BIG hammer [09:00] yeah!! [09:00] some of our customers manage to get the software to calc wrong [09:00] adeodatus: if it's not in /proc or /sys, then chmod works. otherwise what slackytude and quasar said [09:00] Action: ananke also saw a question mark. must be some odd encoding [09:00] ???????????????????????? [09:00] yep - that's what I saw [09:01] Action: slackytude switches to unicode encoding [09:04] hyakki (n=hyakki@adsl-75-45-107-220.dsl.scrm01.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Leaving" [09:05] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:05] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.34.231) joined ##slackware. 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[09:12] how does the hammer change the file permission? :( i thought the hammer was for other problems/tricks/hacks [09:13] usually suggest it to my students when i get: how can i hack into my gf's email...i remember the channels favourite hammer ;) [09:13] The-Croupier: bit alignment tool :) [09:13] no [09:13] the hammer realigns the bits - known as attitude readjustment :) [09:13] guys idea: could we tell pat, or whoever owns the slackware shop, to have a slackware hammer ;) [09:14] or BAR for short [09:14] i bet there are going to be lots of new ppl buying that to solve things [09:15] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:15] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:15] hello everyone [09:17] yo twinkie_addict [09:17] i like the idea of a slackware hammer [09:18] debianero (n=Client@213.56.38.150) joined ##slackware. [09:18] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.222) joined ##slackware. [09:18] but i never needed to fix a broken slack [09:18] debianero (n=Client@213.56.38.150) left ##slackware. [09:19] but fix a broke ubuntu user so he uses slack next time that would be great use for a slackware hammer [09:19] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:19] :) [09:19] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [09:19] just kidding ubuntu has its uses [09:19] Nick change: caio -> Guest15549 [09:19] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:20] grazymax (n=grazymax@host11-152-dynamic.36-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Client Quit [09:20] no [09:20] :p [09:20] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-90.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [09:21] twinkie_addict: creating a wall of ubuntu cd's for art? [09:21] w0rmhole (n=lyrae@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [09:21] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:21] slackware 13.0 is awesome! [09:21] yup [09:21] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) joined ##slackware. [09:21] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:21] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:22] lol heh yeh [09:22] yes 13 is awsome [09:23] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:24] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:27] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:27] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:27] w0rmhole: Why are you saying that? [09:28] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [09:29] metrofox (n=metrofox@151.56.156.170) left irc: "Minni vaiu!" [09:30] quasar: why's that? [09:30] for me 13 is great because like slacks before its something i can depend on . I hae never been able to break it 13 carries on that familiar tradition :) i trust it more than any other linux [09:31] I've slackware dvd mount and i want to install slackware from it? [09:31] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) joined ##slackware. [09:31] huh? [09:32] is the slackware dvd mount, an epic mount? ;) [09:32] esm (n=Administ@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [09:33] is that wow jargon ? :P [09:33] nepenthe: Yes, and i should hang myself for it.. I don't even play the game. [09:33] It's possibile to install slackware 13.0 from it? [09:33] me neither :) [09:34] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:34] adeodatus: From the slackware DVD? God i sure hope so. [09:34] TSAntunK (n=TSAntunK@openvpn.generalsupport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:34] thats kinda the point of the DVD [09:34] adeodatus, you can set slackpkg to use cdrom yes. [09:34] it be kinda pathetic if you couldnt install from DVD [09:34] he said he has it mounted. [09:35] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:35] alisonken1church: package built.. should I pray now or later? [09:35] It wouldn't boot from dvd! [09:36] quasar: Oui! What link did i give you that makes you not want to click any now? [09:36] have you verified the dvd? [09:36] jonsmith1982: how to set slackpkg to use the the dvd iso? [09:36] agentc0re: booya [09:36] quasar: lmao!! [09:36] I have a question. I'm running Win7 and want to remove Debian and istall Slackware. Is there a way that win7 will continue to work or I should kill myself now? [09:36] quasar: booya!!! ;) [09:36] adeodatus, look in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors [09:36] :) [09:37] mount the iso first. [09:37] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:37] quasar: honestly i was really questioning myself weather i should have posted that in here, and really shoudn't have. [09:37] woot, 12.2 ratio uploading slackware13 :D [09:37] TSAntunK, maybe as in #windows [09:38] ask even [09:38] TSAntunK, you use grub to boot debian / win7? [09:38] grub [09:38] lilo should chainload it properly [09:38] wait I'm DUMB [09:38] I do that myself >< [09:39] well, in that case you could tell grub to load slack. dont put lilo in the mbr [09:39] TSAntunK: Ya, because you'd just be deleting your debian partition right? [09:39] oh, right [09:39] agentc0re: right [09:39] adeodatus: there should be an example in /etc/slackpkg/mirrors you can also check out man slackpkg [09:40] w0rmhole (n=lyrae@222.172.221.99) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:40] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] TSAntunK: well get rid of that grub crap if you have it. lilo will work fine to dual boot both. [09:40] yeah, but win7 might complain if mbr gets changed [09:40] thank you. [09:40] that is right, althoug [09:41] once it was missing some bootmgr crap [09:41] Also - is GNOME availabe from slackbuilds for slackawre 13? [09:42] agentc0re: How to do that? [09:42] I want to quadboot. [09:42] TSAntunK, no gnome on sbo [09:42] Action: TSAntunK crys a river [09:42] bittin_ (n=bittin@213.112.195.101) joined ##slackware. [09:43] try dropline [09:43] s/y/ie/ [09:43] does Slackware works great on an SD HC card? [09:43] gsb would be better than dropline [09:43] adeodatus: how to do what? [09:43] TSAntunK (n=TSAntunK@openvpn.generalsupport.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:43] TSAntunK: try gsb - gnome slackbuilds [09:44] doesn't look like any of the gnome projects yet have a release for slack 13.0 [09:45] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:45] How to mount the dvd iso? [09:45] somone knows of any good current Slack USBproject? [09:45] Slax dident support my wlan out of the box :( [09:46] adeodatus: mount -o loop /path/to/DVD.iso /path/to/mount/point [09:46] r_linux (n=r_linux@smtp.mandique.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:47] JJJunkk (i=spole@panix1.panix.com) joined ##slackware. [09:49] adeodatus, mount -o loop PATH_TO_ISO MOUNTPOINT [09:49] The-Croupier (i=3e015305@gateway/web/freenode/x-glrxbecwajpbcphb) left irc: "Page closed" [09:50] I did that and then what should i do? [09:51] ask your next question? [09:51] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:51] you asked how to mount an iso, and we told you. QED [09:51] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:51] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:51] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:52] hm .. [09:52] enigma (n=lyrae@222.172.221.99) joined ##slackware. [09:52] what does it take to install bloody NetworkManager damn gui thing in slack? [09:52] Now I want to install that dvd iso! [09:52] adeodatus, you are on slackware 12.2? [09:52] adeodatus, you could do a installpkg */*tgz in the correct dir [09:52] error_developer_: install wicd [09:53] depends on your setup [09:53] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [09:53] alisonken1noc: hm ..havent heared of that one ..# [09:53] it's in /extra [09:53] that's kewl .. [09:53] hmm, disney buys marvel. [09:53] marvelous ;) [09:54] jonsmith1982: no, I am on slackware 13.0 but I only installed the first cd!! [09:54] that make things easier :) [09:55] I would install slackpkg. then add the packages you want with that. [09:55] does slackware has w-lan support for Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8187SE Wireless LAN Controller out of the box? [09:55] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:55] or some remaster? [09:56] but remember to use you cdrom as the mirror so you don't download anything twice. [09:56] your* [09:57] hm ..well the whole issue now is about an ISP switchover that my dady did [09:57] and now i got to get some1 to change the setting from a static IP/GW plain connection [09:57] to bloody PPPoE [09:58] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:59] I don't think wicd does pppoe [10:00] nope [10:00] pprkut: it has options for pre- and post-connect script to be run to enable ppoe [10:00] what about roaring penguin ppoe [10:01] alisonken1noc: yeah, of course [10:02] pppoe-setup [10:02] pppoe-start [10:02] done [10:02] very easy [10:02] best if you do a echo "pppoe-start" >> /etc/rc.d/rc.local [10:03] no need for wicd [10:03] hello? [10:03] oahong (n=user@61.152.248.20) joined ##slackware. [10:04] Action: slackytude is being ignored [10:04] slackytude: so what else is new? :) [10:04] :( [10:06] lol [10:06] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:09] slackytude: haha, going to change your nick to "ignored_tude" now? you could be a twiner with missyjane. [10:10] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: SendQ exceeded [10:10] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) left irc: "hard reboot" [10:10] sodo (n=unknown@host81-141-106-229.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] Woo! I'm done. [10:10] Opinion time please [10:10] http://blog.tpa.me.uk/ [10:10] Most recent post [10:10] sucks! [10:11] agentc0re: fail [10:11] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [10:11] : [10:11] :P [10:11] :) [10:11] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [10:11] Zordrak, needs more boobies [10:12] Action: twinkie_addict hopes he doesnt get ignored :) [10:12] enigma (n=lyrae@222.172.221.99) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:13] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) joined ##slackware. [10:13] slackytude: boobielessness aside.. the compile guide is gonna be given to a lot of people.. so would like to have it sanity checked before i do [10:13] waabimiigwan (n=steven@174-210-165-66.rev.knet.ca) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] right, gonna give it a glance after I smoked. [10:14] [yop] (n=[yop]@unaffiliated/yop-lait) joined ##slackware. [10:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [10:14] mbohun (n=mbohun@203.171.192.104) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:14] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] Zordrak: perhaps better to make a shorter post and refer to to a page on it. (wordpress supports pages), that way it's perhaps slightly easier to find. [10:15] Not sure what you mean.. [10:15] it's only 10 steps anyway.. [10:16] Hmm.. maybe [10:16] Zordrak, looks good, imho [10:16] still needs more boobies [10:16] BP{k}: you could have something there [10:16] slackytude: ty :) [10:16] AlexElliott (n=alex@client-82-3-249-88.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:17] Zordrak: otherwise looks good. (and of course I have ;) ) I use pages on my blog for the slackware stuff I have posted there. [10:17] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:17] I really don't know much about it but have been reading up on compiling custom kernels and thought some documentation in the kernel said not to compile in /usr/src/linux? [10:17] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:18] hello, what is the name of the ftp server that comes with a default installation of 12.2 ? [10:18] proftp ? [10:18] blkdg: vsftpd or proftpd [10:18] blkdg: vsftp or proftp .. you get to choose \o/ [10:18] both are included [10:18] or what they said [10:19] thanks. [10:19] vsftpd [10:19] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:19] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work [10:20] Zordrak, line 73 of the README in /usr/src/linux is where I got that from [10:21] I always build kernels in /usr/src/ [10:21] that's for people that play with different kernels. if you plan on using the same kernel, just recompile with different options, then /usr/src/linux is ok [10:21] and I think the README is referring to the /usr/src/linux symlink as on new install of kernel packages or upgrade of them that symlink will change [10:22] a750mhzslinky, if you search, you'll find some posts with Linus saying the same. but I've always symlinked to /usr/src/linux [10:22] like I said I don't really know but clarifiction would be appreciated [10:22] figabo (n=Slacker@189.186.34.231) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:22] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [10:22] BP{k}: updated [10:24] esm (n=Administ@222.172.221.99) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [10:24] a750mhzslinky: The main purpose of the post is to be as simple as possible. There are lots of little additions and suggestions to be had.. but the most important thing is simplicity. It's a "look how easy!" post. [10:25] Im gonna change my wordpress theme though.. I dont like it.. it was good to start with.. but stuff just isnt working right.. like the page link on thje right.. why is the text tiny, but theres about 4 lines worth of space added for a newline [10:25] All suggestions for picking a theme are welcome [10:26] Dominian: hope is fine to link to your blog [10:26] Zordrak, why not post it on slackwiki too [10:27] it needs filling up [10:28] registering.. [10:29] chenfengyuan (n=user@59.111.154.181) left irc: "'¶Z‰" [10:29] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:29] jimsn (n=a_kerkau@202.179.22.194) joined ##slackware. [10:30] do somone know how to delete Read Only? [10:30] become root? [10:30] jimsn (n=a_kerkau@202.179.22.194) left ##slackware. [10:30] log in as root, and see if answering 'yes' to "delete read-only file?" works, or try chmod +w && rm [10:31] unless it's in /sys/ or /proc/ directories [10:31] chmod: changing permissions of `/media/disk-1': Read-only file system [10:31] NTFS? [10:31] holy god slack is number 3 on dw for last 7 days [10:31] slackytude: no FAT32 [10:32] bittin_: ok - it was mounted incorrectly, then [10:32] twinkie_addict, its on 12 for me [10:32] oh, last 7 days [10:32] yeah [10:33] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [10:33] mcgee (n=bob@122.164.131.128) joined ##slackware. [10:34] a new release tends to boot distros [10:34] on dw [10:34] its nice to see :) slackware deserves it [10:34] distrowatch's ranking seems pretty inaccurate [10:34] sidmario_ (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:34] Zordrak: yeah tis fine to link to my blog :D [10:35] dw is based on how many people have looked at the distro entry - so it's not a popularity tool, just a curiosity tool [10:35] looked as in "looked at a distro entry on distrowatch" [10:35] i know butit does show interest in it at least [10:35] true [10:35] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [10:36] nice too see grand daddy bob knows how to play wth the kiddies [10:38] parente13 (n=parente@201.25.95.179) joined ##slackware. [10:38] man, I wish you could script a wallpaper changes to win7 [10:38] some stuff is just so hard to do in win [10:38] you don't have powershell installed? [10:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424091.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:39] (as if powershell is actually something with even a hint of power :) ) [10:39] onewingdove (n=dave3@cpe-72-190-67-10.tx.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:39] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424091.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:39] of course, but then what? [10:40] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-90.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:40] Ive got a script that will change wallpaper but only gets applied when user settings get reloaded, like on logout [10:40] according to everyone who talks about powershell, you can do _anything_ in powershell to windows that you can do with bash on linux [10:40] no on the fly change seems possible [10:40] yeah, powershell is nice or so I hear [10:41] I still haven't heard of any real-world equivalents, though [10:41] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [10:41] bittin_ (n=bittin@213.112.195.101) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:41] good morning [10:41] yo [10:41] missed you last night [10:42] and my relief is now here [10:42] aw :) [10:42] hell, bash would be very little involved with changing wallpapers on linux [10:42] ananke: actually, it's pretty easy from what I can tell [10:42] haven't tried it, though [10:43] alisonken1noc, i never said it was hard, i'm simply saying that shell is not an issue here. it's a question of how a given environment works, where wallpapers are stored, how to notify that environment that it needs to change wallpaper, etc [10:43] y0 missyjane [10:43] i installed proftp,, and ran it as root. this is my error localhost - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket, why ? [10:44] hi missyjane [10:44] blkdg: type that in google and see what you get back [10:44] alisonken1church, I wouldnt know. it has some interessting concepts tho. but it looks to me that quick hacks are easier in bash. powershell is more like python or so [10:44] blkdg, you installed proftp how? [10:45] morning slackytude, twinkie_addict [10:45] and did you verify your proftp.conf file for your setup? [10:45] ananke, well, its pretty trivial to change wallpapers on linux. [10:45] sidmario (n=xxx@201-95-149-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:45] slackytude : i never said it wasn't [10:45] ananke, but you never said it wasnt.... [10:46] well, anyway [10:46] my script now will change the win7 wallpaper to a total annoying one [10:46] Zordrak_ (n=jaz@87-194-141-163.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:47] from my linux box [10:47] so everytime a user logs out, it gets set [10:47] FFS.. irrsi just hung dead on me [10:47] thats almost as much fun as setting it instantly [10:47] slackytude: better surprise factor :) [10:47] "what will it do today?" [10:48] yeah [10:48] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:48] 15:47:32 -!- Irssi: Join to ##slackware was synced in 39 secs [10:48] things are not well [10:48] Ive got the win admin so worked up that he deleted the wallpaper from the computer [10:48] so I put it on a smb share [10:48] hr hr hr [10:48] Zordrak (n=jaz@unaffiliated/zordrak) left irc: Nick collision from services. [10:48] Nick change: Zordrak_ -> Zordrak [10:48] slackytude, with a slackpackage from slackware.com [10:49] As I was saying [10:49] slackytude: there is already a compile guide on slackwiki [10:49] dont want to offend by replacing or linking an "alternative" from it [10:50] its not so much a proper bit of documentation as it is a link to hand out to those its relevant to [10:50] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:51] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:51] alisonken1noc, looks like it's a configuration issue. thanks. [10:52] ok, i'm not sure if i want proftp to run in inetd or standalone mode. are there advantages to standalone? [10:53] parente13 (n=parente@201.25.95.179) left irc: Client Quit [10:53] woodoomagic (n=beker@79.101.217.118) joined ##slackware. [10:53] evo- (n=evo@p4FD28123.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [10:55] blkdg: startup times - so if you have a lot of people/processes hitting it, standalone would probably be better. if occasional connects, then inetd would be fine [10:55] with inetd, you don't have to worry about making sure the daemon stays running if it dies for unexpected reasons [10:56] occasional contacts. [10:56] then I would go with inetd [10:56] ok - time to head home [10:57] alisonken1noc (n=alisonke@ip-66-33-206-8.dreamhost.com) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net/" [10:58] jawix (n=jawix@195.180.9.202) left ##slackware. [10:59] Prefect (n=Prefect@CPE00179a9eeb9f-CM001ac3121530.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] I just asked somebody if he'd press Alt+Print Scr+B (DON'T!) [10:59] he did [11:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424091.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:00] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] what does it do? [11:00] adeodatus (n=adeodatu@92.85.216.229) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:00] reboot your computer at once [11:00] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@79.131.208.153) joined ##slackware. [11:00] doesn't save anything, doesn't flush, doesn't sync, doesn't do anything but reboot [11:01] so, why would you recommend it to someone? [11:01] nah, I asked him if he'd do it if I asked him to [11:01] thanks for your guidence. i uncommented the line in my inet.d and it's working. [11:01] thanks again. [11:01] he didn't answer but he rejoined the channel two minutes later [11:01] oh, lol [11:01] Camarade_Tux: maybe you could add an idea on Ubuntu's brainstorm about disabling that key combo [11:02] heh [11:02] no, that's useful for lock ups [11:02] why would such a command exist when there is a reset button on the computer? [11:02] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [11:02] isn't sysrq a little cleaner than the power button? [11:02] sahko: nope [11:02] sahko: plus that key combo is an absolute necessity [11:03] nope? wtf does nope mean? its dangerous! [11:03] it's the thing that saves you when X died and won't let you do anything [11:03] you gotta protect the users! 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[11:28] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Reav__ (n=Reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Success [11:29] hi, i'm stuck. i have slack 12.2 and i installed proftpd with a slackware.com package. then i commented out the proftpd lin in /etc/inetd.conf, and i still cannot ftp to my machine firefox. what am i doing wrong. and yes, i kill -HUP the pid of inetd [11:31] i also ran proftpd as root, and i am still getting localhost - fatal: Socket operation on non-socket error [11:31] i thought the problem was solved but i'm stuck [11:32] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-176-145-166.vic.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [11:33] blkdg: You have to edit the proftpd config so it can run in standalone mode. [11:33] i will look [11:34] ok, so comment servertype inet and comment out servertype standalone [11:35] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [11:35] thanks! [11:35] i can see it now. [11:35] Pleasure :) [11:35] so by default the anonymous is turned on eh? [11:36] blkdg: Yes I think both proftpd and vsftpd have anon enabled by default. [11:37] so if i want to limit this, then i'd have to give people accoounts on this machine in order for them to access the ftp dir? [11:37] mattia (n=mattia@ip-196-131.sn1.eutelia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:37] mattia (n=mattia@ip-196-131.sn1.eutelia.it) left irc: Client Quit [11:37] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:37] does anyone remember when slackware 12 was installed? [11:37] err released*** [11:38] nvm found it, 2006 [11:38] mziulu (n=mziulu@ip-196-131.sn1.eutelia.it) joined ##slackware. [11:38] lol missyjane [11:39] >< [11:39] LF4, in order to limit access to the ftp server, would i have to give account to people? [11:39] mziulu (n=mziulu@ip-196-131.sn1.eutelia.it) left irc: Client Quit [11:39] how can i give certain people ftp only accounts? [11:41] blkdg: if you disable anon yes you would have to give accounts out. I just create a limited account ftpuser and have some lame password, just make sure to limit their dir access to one place. [11:41] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [11:41] ok thanks [11:45] LF4, cp'd a dir into /home/ftp as root, but i can't see it with my browser when i ftp://localhost [11:50] fuzzbawl (n=fuzzbawl@216.23.240.13) joined ##slackware. [11:50] blkdg: are you using a login or anon? [11:50] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.222) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:50] sudo yum install gcc-c++ [11:50] LF4, i used firefox and went to ftp://localhost [11:50] blah :/ [11:51] blkdg: then your logging in with anon not a user. [11:51] LF4, ok [11:52] when i try ftp localhost from a commandline, i am told that the 421 service not avaliable. which is weird because a moment ago i was trying to log on as anonymous and failing at the password stage of the loggin [11:53] the password for anon is in the format of an email address. [11:54] yes, so i typed a@a.ca [11:54] and it was still failing? have you tried your user account that you have? [11:55] 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection is the error i get from the command line [11:55] Connected to localhost. is the first line of the error [11:55] blkdg: is the firefox session still open and connected to the ftp server? [11:56] yes [11:56] close it and try from cli now [11:56] ok [11:57] ftp localhostConnected to localhost.421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection [11:57] no browser open just a term [11:58] humm error 421 is about connection limit reached, are you trying both anon and a user account(if you use a user account make sure to type that users password)? [12:02] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: "leaving" [12:02] all i typed was ftp localhost [12:03] nothing should be connecting to it but this term [12:03] ps aux shows only the term running ftp. no other ftp clients running [12:04] blkdg: so you get a prompt to enter a user name and password then it disconnects? [12:04] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [12:04] no [12:05] ftp localhostConnected to localhost.421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection [12:05] is the exact output from my term [12:05] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:05] StevenR (n=foo@user-5445b1f8.lns2-c13.telh.dsl.pol.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [12:05] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [12:05] bash-3.1$ ftp localhost is the command [12:05] try 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost just incase your hosts file might not be set correctly. [12:05] well, slackware 13.0 is nice [12:06] Nick change: StevenR_ -> StevenR [12:06] briareus: good to hear :) [12:06] blkdg: you should have something like /var/log/ftp.log or something like that - you can also tail -f /var/log/messages and/or /var/log/syslog while trying to login and see what possible errors may pop up [12:06] I got screwed on my backup through (not slackware's fault) when I cp -r my entire user config, but it didn't cp any .* files whatsoever. lost all my custom configs [12:06] bash-3.1$ ftp 127.0.0.1Connected to 127.0.0.1.421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection [12:07] briareus: always use rsync [12:07] lost *all* my fluxbox styles created over years. FSCK [12:07] blkdg: That is odd you can access it from firefox but not the cli. [12:07] warning: `proftpd' uses 32-bit capabilities (legacy support in use) from dmesg [12:07] blkdg: open another terminal and type "tail -f /var/log/syslog", then open another termnal and type "tail -f /var/log/messages" then try to ftp from another terminal and see what the log shows [12:07] Zordrak: ok, though I will need to learn how to use it :) [12:07] Pagan_Soul (n=australu@200-113-188-11.static.tie.cl) left irc: "[BX] *SUBLIMINAL*MESSAGE* USE BITCHX *SUBLIMINAL*MESSAGE*" [12:08] blkdg: are you running on slackare64? [12:08] briareus: in short its identical [12:08] slack 12.2 32bit [12:08] briareus: rsync -av foo/ bar/ [12:08] ah [12:08] blkdg: try my message above about looking at the message and syslog files [12:08] briareus: but.. it wont help you if you're specifying a selection of files including dotfiles with * [12:08] one sec [12:09] Zordrak: it kills me that I lost all that custom config. Some of them have been around my setups for years. (some are probably on another box I can steal, but still frustrating) [12:09] rsync the parent dir and theyl;l be included.. * wont match them in bash [12:09] ok [12:09] that's good to know [12:09] tail -f /var/log/syslog gives me msg's re skyoe and hda intel position buffer ect [12:09] briareus: always check your backups [12:09] neur0sys (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [12:09] briareus: for doing backups where theyre not just a copy but you are going to wipe them for a reinstall.. use tar not rsync/cp [12:09] blkdg: right - the "-f" flag tells tail to keep reading the file [12:10] tail -f /var/log/messages gives me audio api msgs [12:10] Zordrak: I rememberd to check that my over ones (non .whatever) were backed up, but I forgot to look for the .whatevers [12:10] overt* [12:10] so after running the tail on the messages and syslog files, try ftp again and see if another message pops up [12:10] when i ftp from a third term i get the 421 error again [12:10] anything show in the messages or syslog? [12:11] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-wkxjjbbnliozdxpc) left irc: [12:11] about inetd fto daemon? [12:11] no, neither one changed [12:11] ok - do "ls /var/log/*ftp*" and see if there's an ftp log file there [12:11] i see the audio and skype mgs in thir respective terminals [12:12] yes there's a log [12:12] snL40 (n=irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [12:12] run tail -f on that logfile and try again [12:12] -c will cancel the tail in the other windows [12:12] ok [12:12] snL20 (n=irssi@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:13] agentc0re|work (n=jon@heartslc.com) joined ##slackware. [12:13] agentc0re|work: might have picked my new theme [12:13] Aug 31 12:16:43 slackbox2 proftpd[14179] localhost: Failed binding to ::, port 21: Address already in use [12:13] MUCH better layout wise. [12:14] theme for what? [12:14] Nick change: snL40 -> snL20 [12:14] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:14] Aug 31 12:16:43 slackbox2 proftpd[14179] localhost: Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly. [12:14] blkdg: you're running a daemonsied ftp client [12:14] blkdg: ok - something else is already listening on that port [12:14] agentc0re|work: blog [12:14] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] Zordrak: Oh... do youuse postgreSQL for your bacula DB? [12:14] blkdg: check /etc/proftpd.conf and see which ServerType is uncommented [12:15] Zordrak: Oh cool. What software are you using or did you write it all by hand? [12:15] goddamn [12:15] some people are fucking stupid on freenode [12:15] agentc0re|work: mysql for bacula [12:15] missyjane: you JUST worked that out? [12:15] missyjane: and you expected ..... ? :) [12:15] Zordrak, im lenient on technologically-minded network [12:15] i can expect stupidity, but not of this magnitude [12:15] agentc0re|work: Wordpress. http://blog.tpa.me.uk for new theme.. so much easier to read and follow and the sidebar doesnt look stooopid anymore [12:16] Zordrak: nice. I like wordpress a lot myself. http://learnix.net [12:16] i uncommented standalone and commented inetd [12:16] might widen it a bit though [12:16] hard gay isnt gay irl [12:16] very narrow [12:16] i read his biogrpahy [12:17] Zordrak: Nice, much smoother layout. And yes i would agree, if you can widen it, that would be nice. [12:17] servertype is standalone. [12:17] Zordrak: hmm that looks indeed better. [12:17] missyjane: no shit, capt. obvious. :P [12:17] agentc0re|work: nice blog [12:17] BP{k}: ty [12:18] I use the 'journalist theme myself. pretty clean and all. [12:18] Rahim (n=rahim@59.93.223.182) joined ##slackware. [12:18] http://wordpress.org/extend/themes/journalist [12:18] hi guys [12:18] can i remove LILO and install GRUb? will it boot slackware [12:18] agentc0re, people think hes gay tho [12:18] Zordrak, alisonken1church should i recomment standalone and uncomment inetd like the way i found it? [12:18] blkdg: ok - soo you either a) comment the ftp line in /etc/inetd.conf and run "kill -HUP inetd", or comment standalone ServerType and uncomment inetd Servertype in /etc/proftpd.conf [12:19] Rahim: yes. [12:19] i have to install grub on (hd0,5), so which command will work?? [12:19] blkdg: only if you have a dedicaded ftp site that's expected to get hit a lot [12:19] BP{k}, thanks, will grub-install (hd0,5) work? [12:19] whats that 3d tagcloud joobry? [12:19] Rahim: no idea, I don't use grub, lilo works fine for my needs. [12:19] make sure you "kill proftpd" if you use the inetd ServerType [12:20] alisonken1church, i expect very little traffic [12:20] bpki have ther os installed with grub in the mbr [12:20] Zordrak: http://www.adesblog.com/2008/08/27/wp-cumulus-plugin/ [12:20] missyjane (n=mj@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:20] blkdg: ok - and btw, that should be 'killall proftpd' [12:20] use the inetd daemon for ftp [12:21] missyjane (n=benice@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [12:21] ok [12:23] anybody help [12:23] command to install grub on a partition [12:24] alisonken1church, ok, so in proftpd.conf standalone is commented and inetd is uncommentd. this is the way i found the file originally. [12:24] Rahim: not a lot of grub users here, so it may take a while to get an answer [12:24] hiptobecubic (n=john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [12:24] blkdg: ok - now 'killall proftpd' [12:24] and try again [12:24] alisonken1church, ok :D [12:25] alisonken1church, but is grub compatible with slackware? [12:25] proftpd: no process killed [12:25] i am SO bad at making things look good [12:25] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:25] Zordrak: that's why I got into tech and not graphic design :) [12:25] blkdg: ok - try ftp again [12:26] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-424091.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:26] linXea (n=linXea@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [12:26] Zordrak: this is the only theme i can live with. http://grbzks.wordpress.com/ yours is too bright IMO [12:26] ok i tried and it connected. the login i used was anonymous and a@a.ca didn't connect i tried this with firefox [12:26] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) joined ##slackware. [12:26] blkdg: try from a termnal rather than firefox [12:26] ok [12:27] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:27] missyjane (n=benice@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [12:27] I do like that theme... [12:27] i didnt want to usurp it.. [12:27] you can also run 'tail -f /var/log/proftpd.log' again as well to see what's happening [12:27] but.. if no-one cares.. [12:27] j0z (n=UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [12:27] anonymous also fails [12:27] from term [12:27] blkdg: check the log and see what the new fail is [12:28] ok [12:28] Aug 31 12:30:36 slackbox2 proftpd[14884] localhost (localhost[127.0.0.1]): USER ftp (Login failed): User in /etc/ftpusers [12:29] blkdg: you have to comment the "ftp" line in /etc/ftpusers in order to use anonymous [12:29] Thursap (n=bnguyen@113.22.41.26) left irc: Client Quit [12:29] ok [12:29] Rahim (n=rahim@59.93.223.182) left ##slackware ("Greener Pastures"). [12:30] the /etc/ftpusers file is a _deny_ list for ftp [12:30] i see [12:30] i can get to it as my user account from a term at least [12:30] should be able to, yes [12:30] but the ftp entry in /etc/ftpusers is probabl what also killed your firefox session as well [12:31] (firefox ftp session) [12:31] so anonymous is enabled in the config file that comes with proftpd but the ftpusers file disabled it! [12:31] ok [12:31] let me try [12:31] x1user (n=null@2002:d44b:e2a:a:214:78ff:fe03:31c9) joined ##slackware. [12:31] wow [12:31] great! [12:31] thanks so much [12:31] wait. umm one question [12:31] Anyone got problems with wifi connection on 13.0 ? [12:32] the default anonymous ftp in proftpd.conf is so you have a basic starting point for people that don't know ftp, so it tries to make it a little more idiot proof on first run [12:32] x1user: yes - using ath5k driver [12:32] pcmcia card on laptop [12:32] i see the networks but cant connect [12:32] connects, but transfers keep timing out [12:32] i cant get ip form hot spot [12:32] did you resolv that problem [12:32] Tony__ (i=Tony@dh207-68-150.xnet.hr) joined ##slackware. [12:32] that may require extra setup [12:33] ok, so if i want to eliminate any anon then i should leave the /etc/ftpusers as it is and edit the proftpd.conf file right? alisonken1church ? [12:33] nope - still connects, but times out [12:33] did you try to reinstall [12:33] the drivers [12:33] blkdg: to eliminate anonymous - then uncomment the ftp line in /etc/ftpusers, leave /etc/proftpd.conf as is [12:33] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [12:34] x1user: not yet - but I'll be trying the madwifi driver when I get a chance to play with it some more [12:34] i am think to reinstall the dirvers and to compile the new kernel to see how many things will gone bad [12:35] x1user: if you're going to recompile the current kernel, remember to start with the same config as pat, then modify as needed [12:35] use the -generic- config as a starting point [12:35] (it makes a modular kernel) [12:35] would oldconfig work [12:36] alisonken1church, thanks agian [12:36] doesn't hurt to try - oldconfig just looks at changes between the .config that you have and compares to the new config information provided by the kernel build session [12:36] blkdg: np [12:37] missyjane (n=benice@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [12:37] Nick change: repsol_ -> ghost [12:37] missyjane: can't make up your mind? [12:37] alisonken1church, im just going in and out [12:37] Nick change: ghost -> adrenaline [12:37] http://pastebin.com/f76c472c8 [12:37] so sorry for coming in and out [12:38] oh, i see another anoying problem ... headphones pluged but no sound, it comes out from the build in laptop's speakers [12:38] once a gain to make sure i understand : i should have left the proftp.conf as it was. it will not allow anonymous on it's own because it uses /etc/ftpusers as a filter. if I WAND anonymous, then i need to once again leave the .conf file as it was, and comment out ftp frim the ftpusers file. [12:38] right? [12:38] people piss me off, first i had some guy tell me dell is a great computer company from #hardware, then some moron in #programming, now im in ##politics trying to let loose [12:38] goddamn, freenode disappoint me as always [12:38] poor missyjane [12:38] wand and [12:38] br00tal (n=Jesse@host-177-156-2-96.midco.net) left irc: "Leaving." [12:38] Action: x1user cries [12:39] my goal is to get people klined though [12:39] only managed to get two people klined [12:39] klined? [12:39] hmmm.. iNove is giving me extra widgets i dont want and cant seem ot remove [12:39] yeah k-lined [12:40] missyjane: Whats that? [12:40] oeh slack 13 [12:40] nice [12:40] downloading [12:40] Channel flood from Bart_S -- kicking [12:40] :p [12:40] Bart_S kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [12:40] LF4: k-line is kick from server [12:40] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenode [12:40] Hahaha [12:40] permanent kick usually [12:40] LF4: g-line is ban from server [12:40] Zordrak: Ahh thanks :) [12:40] although often server != network [12:40] depends on network [12:40] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:41] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [12:41] alisonken1church, did i get that right? [12:41] in fact.. usually depoends on Server Oper vs. Global Oper [12:41] missyjane: well, they have to "chat" with freenode via email rather than #freenode :) [12:41] blkdg: which part? [12:41] blkdg did you get your intro video clip made? [12:42] blkdg: did you see my note after yours? [12:42] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@82.225.203.40) left irc: "Quitte" [12:43] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:43] sahko: any idea how to get rid of the additional Meta, Archives & Blogroll/Categories widgets? [12:44] Freak I just found out Bjarne Stroustrup works for AT&T :) wonder if he ever is on our bridge calls and I never noticed. [12:44] alisonken1church, can you reread my 'once again'? [12:45] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [12:45] mancha, i bookmarked a mencoder page but i haven tried it today. [12:45] blkdg: about disabling all anon? [12:45] yes [12:45] I replied to that [12:46] about four lines after yours [12:46] about anon user [12:47] alisonken1church: how do i use -generic- config? [12:47] "if you want to disable anonymous ftp, uncomment the "ftp" user in /etc/ftpuser file, and leave the /etc/proftd.conf alone [12:47] " [12:48] thanks i'm trying to understand this with screaming kids in the background [12:48] when does school start? [12:48] ok then thanks all [12:48] blkdg: :) mine started yesterday [12:48] nice [12:49] happy slacking [12:49] blkdg (n=blkdg@CPE00c09fc47771-CM00195ee3976e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [12:50] x1user: "cp /boot/config-generic-2.6.24.5 /usr/src/linux/.config" <-- that /boot/config* file is the one that came with the default kernel for 12.1 [12:50] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [12:50] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [12:51] I'm running 64-13.0 on a laptop and have both the 'guidance power manager' systray icon and a battery monitor on the panel. Is it safe to close the systray icon? [12:51] if i just go with the latest kernel config what will happen [12:51] Zordrak: i think blogroll can be removed from 'Links' but dont really remember. the rest can be customized in Apperance/Widgets [12:51] rohan (n=rohan@unaffiliated/rohan) joined ##slackware. [12:51] x1user: you have to go through _every_ option [12:51] is it recommended to use the 2.6.30 kernel from -testing? what are the (dis)advantages of using it? [12:52] sahko: thats the problem.. these extra 3 at the bottom arent in the widgets menu [12:52] rohan: not you again [12:52] ah ok get it, bit if i want to exclude something form the generic kernel [12:52] rohan: unless you KNOW you need it, dont use it [12:52] rohan: disadvantage: hasn't been tested by pat [12:52] will makemenuconfig take the generic kernel after i replaced it [12:52] rohan, IIRC it had some issues with LILO. [12:52] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:52] x1user: http://blog.tpa.me.uk/?page_id=69 [12:53] someone knows where i can get the PAM header files? [12:53] x1user: "make menuconfig" takes whatever the kernel says it has, and build a config from that - unless it sees a '/usr/src/linux/.config' file to default with [12:53] thnks [12:53] xxjx (n=dguitar@unaffiliated/xxjx) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Bart_S, PAM is bad, yo [12:54] why [12:54] nitro25 (n=nitro25@cpe-72-230-179-21.rochester.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:54] Zordrak: heh, was i that bad the last time :P [12:54] Zordrak: they are here. at least meta & archives. under inactive widgets [12:54] look at the sidebar [12:54] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) joined ##slackware. [12:55] ok, i wanted to try latest and greatest, but i think there's no need.. [12:55] Bart_S, why do you want it? If you can justify it, then go ahead, but what will it get you? [12:56] what's the difference between generic and generic-smp [12:56] i want to compile xrdp [12:56] x1user, -smp supports multiple processors [12:56] mcgee (n=bob@122.164.131.128) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [12:56] Zordrak: the 3d tag cloud is wp-cumulus. [12:57] Bart_S, acceptable. i don't know the answer directly but i know that dropline gnome includes PAM, so you might want to look at their slackbuilds [12:57] ty [12:57] veritos, [12:58] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [12:58] agentc0re|work: a little late to the party :) [12:58] already stolen [12:59] sahko: i figured it out it seems... if the East/West/South sidebars are empty.. they get populated with defaults :( [12:59] HoldMyPocket (n=choward@12.157.146.158) joined ##slackware. [12:59] tediosu (i=shipp@yunix.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:59] tediosu (i=shipp@yunix.net) joined ##slackware. [12:59] Zordrak: Some plugin's i'd recommend taking a look at are, Mail to commenter, my Category/Page Order, Ozh' Admin Drop Down Menu(this is a must really), Share this(if you wanna share what you post easily), theme my login, and Shadowbox JS if you like posting pictures... [13:00] Zordrak: Ya, i got tied up.. 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[13:04] rohan i modified 4.2.4's [13:04] heya jeev [13:04] how are the fires? >.> [13:05] http://elevenislouder.blogspot.com/2009/08/staying-power.html <3 this blog [13:05] Necos: don't know about jeev, but the ones over the hill from me are smoking me out [13:05] alisonken1church: what area do you live in again? [13:05] jeev is in glendale :P [13:05] cityLights (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [13:06] ah, sweet, sdk done, now on to kdepim [13:06] I'm in rancho cucamonga (by ontario), but work in downtown l.a. [13:06] oh, rancho... [13:06] agentc0re|work: Share this? [13:06] hi all [13:06] my buddy lives out there [13:06] I need help running gnome-bluetooth [13:06] WOOP WOOP SLACKWARE 13. M I RITE!? [13:07] when I run bluetooth-applet no icon appears in the task bar [13:07] Necos: small world [13:07] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:08] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:09] agentc0re|work: that drop down menu is good.. but id have thought it would be available on the main blog page when logged in as an admin [13:10] f6 (n=root@77-254-215-56.adsl.inetia.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [13:11] Perfec7 (n=FullT@201.9.185.57) joined ##slackware. [13:11] amazon10x: oh how nice of you to finally notice this and tell us. We really hadn't noticed. ;) [13:11] MidnightCommando (n=peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [13:12] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:12] Woop... i already lmgtfy'd somebody from my blog :) [13:13] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-147-113.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [13:13] BP{k}: bummer. i'm not first? [13:14] Necos, i dont care, i live on the mountain.. i'll piss the fire out if it reaches my house [13:14] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:14] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [13:15] amazon10x: nope :) [13:15] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94.192.0.60) joined ##slackware. [13:15] f6 (n=root@77-254-215-56.adsl.inetia.pl) joined ##slackware. [13:15] Nick change: MidnightCommando -> PeanutHorst [13:16] Anyone got a decent Apache RRdtool reccomendations/? Like dnsgraph/mailgraph? Or nonrrd like pflogsumm? [13:17] you could use logio and calculate it yourself [13:17] shoot it to rrd yourself [13:19] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] Anyone seeding the 64dvd iso? [13:20] lol jeev [13:21] jeev: not wanting to reinvent the wheel [13:21] there have to be a number about, its apache [13:21] dunno [13:24] christian (i=590ef454@gateway/web/freenode/x-tcopdtznduoiuiox) joined ##slackware. [13:24] hello [13:26] oo.. awstats [13:26] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:26] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:27] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:27] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:29] awstats was exactly what i was after [13:29] antiwire (n=antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) joined ##slackware. [13:29] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) left ##slackware. [13:29] phoenix^ (n=phoenix^@unaffiliated/firebird619) joined ##slackware. [13:30] Strigi seems to suspend itself a lot, including at KDE startup. And later on, the systray icon will sometimes say that it's idle whereas the system settings pane will say that it's suspended. [13:30] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:30] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [13:31] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:31] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [13:33] appzer0 (n=appzer0@bes31-1-88-188-134-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:34] missyjane (n=benice@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [13:36] upyr[emacs] (n=user@79.174.35.11) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [13:37] "16:16 < harrachi> i installed openbox and i couldn't have sound can somebody help me?" [13:37] openbox is a wm... [13:37] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [13:38] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:38] dive: in you irssi screenshots, you use right-aligned nicks, how do you change join/parts as " => somebody has joined #X" config or theme? [13:39] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:40] theme [13:40] you mean I have to learn about that too? ='( [13:41] if you want to customise it yes [13:41] dive: and for right-aligning nicks, theme too? I put that in the config and it works [13:42] theme [13:42] ^An, let's start [13:42] I'm thinking maybe right aligned nicks aren't so good now [13:43] or it's where messages get cut off that I don't like too much [13:43] oh, irssi moved it to theme on its own :P [13:43] Guest67162 (n=bruno@189-29-241-129-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:44] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [13:44] Nick change: Guest67162 -> _bruno [13:44] hmmm, how do you move the join/parts? [13:45] Chakravanti (n=chakrava@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [13:46] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [13:48] rohan (n=rohan@unaffiliated/rohan) left irc: "leaving" [13:48] but this is horrible [13:48] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-241-129-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: [13:48] _bruno (n=bruno@189-29-241-129-nd.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:49] ok ##Politics is hacking on prize fighters atm and missyjane's there [13:49] Action: Quiznos shudders [13:50] allend (n=allend@CPE-124-176-145-166.vic.bigpond.net.au) left irc: "Leaving" [13:50] someone join or quit, thanks :) [13:51] not aligned yet =/ [13:51] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Is there a reason why I should even have guidance-power-manager installed? (I've got PowerDevil) [13:51] okay, i just installed slackware 13! [13:51] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.185) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [13:51] looks great... [13:51] dive: I didn't steal the good theme :D [13:51] but i have no network connection =( [13:51] heya Chakravanti, it's nice... i'm building kde4.3 [13:51] which one is the good one [13:51] oh i skipped kde [13:52] john_dee (n=id@93-81-119-90.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:52] oh wtf... did you have any problems with kdepim-runtime thrice`? [13:52] i feel stupid atm [13:52] dive: how do you change the join/parts on http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/irssi/blackice.png ? [13:52] I changed their colors but not the alignement [13:52] nah i just don't like kde [13:53] dive: actually it's the good theme but not the good part [13:53] i'm not a kde fan myself, but i need Kontact :P [13:53] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) joined ##slackware. [13:53] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:53] i think it's ugly to begin with, i'm trying to build my machine to be pure gtk+ [13:53] dive: think I found it [13:53] On Gentoo, Qt depends on GTK+, haha [13:53] veritos: lol :P [13:53] Camarade_Tux, it's all there somewhere [13:53] veritos: opensuse beats it: X depends on firefox [13:54] dive: yeah, it's just that... [13:54] join_start = "%K»%w»%W> "; [13:54] i probably shouldn't be doing this before i finish my coffee [13:54] that's unreadable :) [13:54] Action: Chakravanti rubs eyes [13:54] I have a non-qt desktop [13:54] well %K is grey %w is white %W is bright white [13:55] (actually I have qt but I could also just remove it without problem) [13:55] so it colours the >> [13:55] Camarade_Tux, I think the worst I've seen was OpenSSH depending on GTK+ [13:55] i ran netconfig but it does nothing and i have no eth0 [13:55] dive: but why is '=' not in the string format [13:55] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:55] ? [13:55] eh? [13:56] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:56] ' <= somebody has quit...' [13:57] i'm actually on XP right now on the freenode java chagt lmfao [13:57] on another computer [13:57] I don't understand what you're asking [13:57] i refuse to build all of GNOME to run evolution :P [13:57] that's NOT mine lol [13:57] evolution? eww [13:57] okay [13:57] idk really, i never used the prog [13:57] i just know ubuntu constantly bugged me with it [13:57] yeah, that's the problem... [13:58] veritos: hahaha :P [13:58] Necos: you don't need to [13:58] evolution runs on windows btw [13:58] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:59] sdrv (n=siderov@e176075111.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:59] evolution requires a bunch of crap i just refuse to compile [13:59] Action: dive is so tired... [13:59] Hello [13:59] Necos: but it should be doable [13:59] anyway, back to irssi them [13:59] e [14:00] I'm using the stock slackware13 mplayer ipackage, the problem is simple, when I adjust the volume from mplayer it affects the master volume of the system, how can one avoid this? [14:00] s/ipackage/package [14:01] hmmmm [14:01] x1user (n=null@2002:d44b:e2a:a:214:78ff:fe03:31c9) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:01] can someone die ? [14:01] hmmmm [14:01] looks like you can't use akonadi 1.2.1 yet >.> [14:01] sdrv: the solution is NOT simple. Write and implement an abstraction layer which provides per-application sound settings. [14:02] sdrv: check "Enable software mixer" in the audio preferences [14:02] lol rob0 [14:02] or that ;) [14:02] dive: blank/line_start/join_start/... use special characters? that aren't in ascii? [14:02] I'd really like to have the ability to turn off sound in Firefox, but I don't see how. [14:02] rob0, we call it pulseaudio, may it burn in hell [14:03] 13.0 update screwed up a bunch of things for the first time.. [14:03] rob0: is sound only because of flash? [14:03] Camarade_Tux, utf-8 [14:03] Are there sounds in firefox? [14:03] Camarade_Tux, not always. Crappy sites like myspace, sigh. [14:03] dive: that's maybe the problem, I'm lookin in firefox and pasting into screen+ssh+vim ;) [14:03] rob0: what do they use then? :o [14:04] Keyboard mapping, X is slow as hell, sound problems in Sonata, no sound in Firefox... [14:04] wtf, is netconfig just crapping out on me? [14:04] onewingdove (n=dave3@cpe-72-190-67-10.tx.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:04] or is my ethernet card just so outdated the new kernel doesnt recognize it? [14:04] i mean..its not THAT old [14:04] but i dont understand why i dont have an eth0 [14:05] Chakravanti: did you have a pastebin somewhere, or just hoping for wild guesses? [14:05] what model? [14:05] afk [14:05] dive: hmmm =/ [14:05] nah it sees it on lspci [14:05] Camarade_Tux, use a text browser and download the theme [14:05] VT6102 [RhINE-II] [14:06] argh, this tiny netbook keyboard is driving me nutz lol [14:06] Bart_Y (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) joined ##slackware. [14:06] Camarade_Tux, gonna be afk a bit [14:06] Action: Chakravanti has fatg fingers [14:06] dive: used wget and it looked like how I had pasted it [14:06] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.76.185) joined ##slackware. [14:06] dive: ok, I'll harass you later on :) [14:06] Bart_S (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:06] rob0 pastebin of what? [14:07] ifconfig? al i have is lo [14:07] oh wow, no f'ing wonder... [14:07] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:07] i was using akonadi 1.1.2 instead of 1.2.x [14:07] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [14:07] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [14:07] shit [14:07] hard drive PMS messed up bsd [14:08] LOL [14:08] dive: seems I can get it [14:10] finally, what a pain [14:10] lol [14:10] bbl [14:10] Chakravanti (n=chakrava@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Java user signed off" [14:11] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Why is X constantly running at 98% right now? [14:16] Has anybody else run into similar issues? [14:16] Chakravanti (n=chunk@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Waha! [14:16] alkos333, Are you using 12.2? [14:16] excdept...now i don't have sbopkg? [14:16] wtf? [14:17] damn, there are NO fkn COMMWENTS in the log/packages/ xorg files to know wht the damn package does [14:17] or provides. [14:17] :) [14:17] my cpu usage is coming from building KDE :P [14:17] bash: sbopkg: command not found [14:17] because you need to install it? [14:17] sidmario_ (n=xxx@201-95-149-94.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [14:18] it's not standard? [14:18] veritos: No, this is all after upgrading to 13. [14:18] Nick change: sidmario_ -> Guest13884 [14:18] alkos333, oh. 12.2's had that as a known bug [14:18] veritos: I was dandy in 12.2. I've been updating since Slack 9 and never had this many problems after an upgrade until now. [14:18] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:18] alkos333 same here [14:19] alkos333 but most of the folks here dont want to recognise that there are prob [14:19] so... SOL [14:19] Guest39543 (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:19] dive: uiegrfujhergjer! [14:19] SOL? [14:19] shit out of lucj [14:19] +k [14:19] Ah.. [14:19] IMO anyway [14:20] 13 Hmmmmmm!! [14:20] X11 wont work for me bc AllowEmptyInput is fubared [14:20] it deactivates kbd mouse. [14:21] dive: think I'll just use your neon theme ;) [14:21] Well, I don't even have xorg.conf right now - it's just sitting there quietly renamed to xorg.conf.bak [14:21] My keyboard mapping got screwed up.. [14:21] is x running? [14:21] No idea why. [14:21] xmodmap handles kbd mapping [14:21] is x usable now? [14:22] Quiznos: Asking me? [14:22] yes we're thwe onlys talking [14:22] X is not very usable since it's slow as hell [14:23] so that's a no; are you in x now chatting? [14:23] I know about Xmodmap, but I have to go and figure out why the mapping got messed up in the first place. [14:23] Yes [14:23] I'm in X [14:23] k [14:23] okay, i'm gonna double up the grounds on this next cup cuz im sure i made noobfarm at least thrice this morning [14:23] it's garbage to me. [14:23] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:23] wasted space; and i have to install 12.2's x [14:23] What's wasted space, X? [14:24] yep; wont work here [14:24] hi when setting my umask to 077 sometimes when installing packages my / permissions get changes which stops regular users from being able to do anything until i fix this. Does anyone else experience this issue and why is my / permissions being changed? [14:24] <_bruno> hi all! Does anybody knows anything related to this KDE bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=163578 ? I've installed slackware 13.0, and the "could not parse the xml file ()" is appearing in "Network Settings". [14:24] the fancier distros work out of box from dvd [14:24] Just have to figure this out. [14:24] WRT x11 [14:24] sdrv (n=siderov@e176075111.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [14:24] gaz changed to what? [14:24] should be 755 / [14:25] neur0sys (n=chatzill@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.85 [Firefox 3.5.2/20090729225027]" [14:26] Quiznos, i understand that, basically i want my root and my users umask to be 077 which should be fine right? but when i build and install some slackbuilds i find that my / permissions are being changed to 700 (my umask) but not really sure why its being changed [14:26] 077 is proper umask; those pkgs are euvil. [14:26] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) joined ##slackware. [14:26] no, 022 is proper mask [14:27] 077 would give 700 file mode [14:27] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:27] are you root when this chg haps? [14:27] hello [14:27] i am either root or sudo, i have to be to install the pkg to the relevant locations /usr etc [14:27] gaz clean up from your builds (to start over) change umask to 022 then build [14:27] samuelig (n=samuelig@210.pool85-57-138.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:28] christian (i=590ef454@gateway/web/freenode/x-tcopdtznduoiuiox) left irc: "Page closed" [14:29] wow, this is gnarly lol [14:29] what is? [14:29] kdepim build [14:29] i know what it was! I used ubuntu for like three days and all of the sudden i like linux stupid again [14:29] heh [14:30] gaz you do comprehend umask math, right? [14:30] of course [14:30] if you've become an ubuntu convert again (which i am not saying is a bad thing) then why are you in #slackware? :) [14:30] [yop] (n=[yop]@lar56-1-88-178-152-86.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:30] but i only thought it would modify new files/folers not existing ones [14:30] Woo! awstats up and running [14:30] gaz well, not everyone gets it; it's boolean logic, '&' and '|' [14:31] it doesn't modify existing ones [14:31] gaz yea well that's being done on purpose [14:31] mancha GOD NO! i was using ubuntu as a backup cuz i jacked up my 12.2 installation [14:31] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) left irc: "Leaving" [14:31] well somethings changing my / permissions to match my umask [14:31] henc my confusion [14:31] nods [14:31] mancha ubuntu is horrible [14:31] adupuis (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:31] how do i install Gconf ? [14:31] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:31] which particular / permissions? [14:31] get the srcpkg and make it; install it. [14:32] i think it's time to start A/C [14:32] litterally the / permissions ls -ld / would be changed permissions to rwx------ [14:32] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:32] gaz did you fix that already>? [14:32] thatll break an amazing number of things [14:32] quickly [14:32] i have tried that. [14:32] i fixed it and changed my umask back to 022 [14:33] kk [14:33] what do you run for this to happen? [14:33] lolbuntu... [14:33] i did that back in like 1996; amzing what broke [14:33] but i really should be able to use a umask of 077 [14:33] what gets run for / perms to go to 700? [14:33] nimrod (n=nimrod@084202064176.customer.alfanett.no) left irc: "Leaving" [14:33] flood! [14:33] gaz for normal root stiffiness yea; but not for sysadmin [14:33] well yo uknow what i mean [14:33] (and don't forget to join/part :) ) [14:33] stuffiness [14:33] when i install various slackbuilds couldnt name any of the top of my head but it happened a few times [14:34] k [14:34] get a personal wiki to make notes [14:34] vim has one [14:34] they're changing / perms then, which is not kosher, imo [14:34] mancha we know [14:34] i understand the problem and how to fix it not entirely sure why it happens tho [14:34] mancha he knew comin in too [14:34] gaz might be usr/bininstall [14:34] bin/ [14:34] f6 (n=root@77-254-215-56.adsl.inetia.pl) left irc: "Leaving" [14:35] i just wasnt sure if anyone else experienced this issue [14:35] gaz any strange dirs in /? [14:35] naa [14:35] k [14:35] or files? [14:35] i found a makefile that created target dirs in / [14:35] pissed me too [14:35] lcc compiler makefile does that [14:35] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [14:35] darkwurm (n=dw@unaffiliated/darkwurm) joined ##slackware. [14:35] Blikjeham (n=Blikjeha@reson.soleus.nu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:36] falx (n=flaviu@78.97.215.212) joined ##slackware. [14:36] nope the weird thing is say i install a slackbuild for say xchat (this is only an example and didnt happen for this tool) and it installed to /usr/bin/xchat. My permissions for /, /usr, /usr/bin would all have there permissions changed to 700 if my umask was 077 [14:36] which was annoying [14:36] that really sounds like bad usr/bin/install usage [14:37] or MKDIR even [14:37] firefox tu pues ! [14:37] from the makefile [14:37] oops, wrong channel [14:37] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: "Leaving" [14:37] firefox you suck! [14:37] heh [14:37] Camarade_Tux siddown and shadap :) [14:37] (notice how I adapat the spacing before the exclamation mark according to the language -_- ) [14:37] ( 8-) ) [14:37] Quiznos, i agree im gonna experiment when i install some new packages and see what happens [14:37] lemme know? [14:37] Quiznos: no! :P [14:38] pff caca [14:38] caca_tux [14:38] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:39] Quiznos: pipi ! [14:39] took you 2m to think of that? [14:40] wow [14:40] 3m [14:40] lol [14:40] fire|bird careful; he's not hte sharpest pencil in the box. [14:40] lol [14:40] haha [14:40] i miss Benny Hill [14:40] that's his line [14:40] He's just a stub and an eraser. :P [14:40] lol [14:40] nods [14:41] he's caca_tux [14:41] heh [14:41] too bad we cant force a new nick on him [14:41] Camarade_Tux: You're not even trying to defend yourself? :P [14:41] gaz lemme know the results [14:41] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [14:42] Action: Quiznos thinks he be sqeered into void *NULL; [14:42] fire|bird: was looking at the tv ;) [14:42] b0tn3t (n=void@209.180.207.68) joined ##slackware. [14:42] lol [14:42] did you recognise anything? something the class wants to know? [14:42] oh hai, are there any pypanel users in here? [14:42] wow I am screwed with getting anything productive done [14:42] Chronicles Of Riddick [14:42] freaking computer game just sucked me in [14:42] fire|bird `the void /* and */ *NULL; [14:42] heroes of newerth lol [14:43] goddamnit... [14:43] kdepim-runtime is being a spoiled bitch [14:43] fire|bird did i tell you that i found _Logan's Run_ movie? [14:43] lol [14:43] fire|bird on web [14:43] b0tn3t: If you have a question about pypanel, just ask it, if there's anyone who uses it, is around, and can help, they will. [14:43] Quiznos, will do mate [14:43] gaz ok [14:43] Quiznos: no, you hadn't. [14:43] yea; and the tv series episodes too [14:43] it ran for one year or a season [14:44] forgot which [14:44] gotta find the Sting and Butch Cassidy and Sundance kid too [14:44] fire|bird: ping me [14:44] .6s caca [14:44] Tony__ (i=Tony@dh207-68-150.xnet.hr) left irc: "Leaving" [14:44] Camarade_Tux: 1 second [14:44] .6s caca [14:45] fire|bird: thanks [14:45] .45s [14:45] Camarade_Tux: you're welcome [14:45] josteint (n=josteint@cm-84.215.36.243.getinternet.no) joined ##slackware. [14:45] gartt_ (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:45] fire|bird: checking out irssi themes [14:45] Camarade_Tux: cool [14:46] wow googling "news"; returns in order: cnn, abc, fox, msnbc, google; can anyone say "bought placement"? [14:46] the red isn't red enough but otherwise that one is neat [14:46] Action: Chakravanti cries from happiness [14:46] or the other way round, I don't know [14:46] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:46] sound worked without any complications! [14:46] Quiznos: prout [14:46] prout? [14:46] Chakravanti: congradulations [14:46] no interference from a rougue camera device [14:46] Quiznos: :) [14:46] ty twolf [14:46] wazit mean? [14:47] you have no idea what a PIA that was last time [14:47] well then, anyone care to try to use pypanel to see if i am alone in my problem? [14:47] more info b0tn3t [14:47] post actual prob [14:47] i had half the channel pissed at me for not unplugging the camera [14:47] lol [14:47] .11 [14:47] doh [14:47] Chakravanti: I have lived through some battles so I know what you mean [14:47] pypanel compiles and installs, all its dependencies are installed, yet i get a segfault at startup [14:47] Chakravanti did we see naughty bits? or longs? [14:47] spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [14:47] Action: Chakravanti is falling in love with Slack13 so fast [14:47] b0tn3t strace it [14:47] Chakravanti one of the few who is [14:48] works fine in 12.2, works fine in other 64bit platforms.. [14:48] i have a strace, i will post in a second [14:48] no no no [14:48] that's how you get to the prob [14:48] debug it [14:48] find prob [14:48] Quiznos: :) [14:48] well aside from a a bit of leftover stupidity from working on ubuntu for the past few days (purely for the purpose of DL salck13 DVD) [14:49] but this second cup of coffee is clearing that all up pretty fast [14:49] here is the strace...its LONG: http://pastebin.ca/1549467 [14:49] IDK what was wrong last time, but certain songs on my computer sounded like shit...those same files are coming in crystal clear now [14:50] the strace is over 3000 lines long.... [14:50] Action: Chakravanti crosses fingers, tries flash [14:51] mayday_jay (n=mayday_j@control-console.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:51] i am unsure how to go about debugging that really...just wanted to see if anyone else is able to get it working in slackware, since it has never been a problem on gentoo [14:51] looks like imlib is the culprit, what imlib do you have? [14:51] shonudo (n=user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left ##slackware. [14:52] BEAUTIFUL! FLAWLESS! [14:52] imlib-1.9.15 and imlib2-1.4.2 [14:52] Action: Chakravanti cries [14:52] b0tn3t just read the strace output (-O writes to file) then study. [14:53] i have read through it, but... is a line like: "recvfrom(3, "\1\0\v\0\0\0\343\1\370\311\241\0\0\0\240\1\377\377\37\0\0\1\0\0\24\0\377\377\1\7\0\0 "..., 2048, 0, NULL, NULL) = 1940" bad? or.... [14:53] check the imlib dev site and see if they have a newer one (imlib2) [14:53] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] b0tn3t that is normal strace output [14:54] Chakravanti: if in FF dont fullscreen unless you disable hardware accel [14:54] konqueror is fine [14:54] b0tn3t do you recognise the function call? [14:54] Zordrak++ [14:54] what should i be looking for that could point at where the problem lies? [14:54] answer first [14:55] pandora's box... [14:55] lol [14:55] Quiznos: probably not... [14:55] i told you, the problem is some incongruence from imlib2, check out their site to see if they've patched this subsequent to your version (my guess) [14:55] Action: Chakravanti is jsut fine learning from other people's mistakes =P [14:55] especially when everythign is so flawless as is... [14:56] b0tn3t ok; this is gonna be harder for you; the "recvfrom" is a libc function call; which returns the number of bytes read from a file; in this case 1930 "= 1930 [14:56] only one last thing....the camera [14:56] cdlk (n=lkjlkjl@212.183.136.192) joined ##slackware. [14:56] mancha you wrote to b0tn3t ? [14:57] mancha upgrade instead of having to learn. [14:57] Only one thing left to do with the blog... publicise :) [14:57] oops [14:58] b0tn3t upgrade !!! [14:58] Quiznos: i used that line to elucidate how three thousand lines of mainly highly cryptic looking text may be somewhat intimidating for the average user to debug... [14:58] i am patching imlib2 as i type [14:59] fine. [14:59] go the hard way. [14:59] vrisplov (n=vrisplov@Access.Denied.uk.to) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:59] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl11-116-114.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:59] wth are there no significant comments in the x var/log packages? [14:59] well, if you have to inclination to explain, I would be happy to go the 'easy' way :) [14:59] i want to know wth the pkgs do [15:00] b0tn3t with strace there is no easy; you need to recognise and know the names of functions in order to read manpages or guess what the functions do [15:01] patched imlib2 and i still get segmentation fault... [15:01] gartt (n=gart@ip68-0-206-237.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:01] upgrade [15:01] upgrade what [15:01] imlib [15:01] imlib or imlib2? [15:01] whatever you have [15:02] i have both. but only imlib2 is a dependency to pypanel [15:02] k [15:02] fire|bird: you around? [15:02] imlib is part of the slackware package set, and I'd rather keep all of that coherent [15:02] Action: aceofspades19 is in slackware 13 [15:02] imlib2 can be installed alongside imlib [15:03] so you instaled imlib 1.4.2 then re-built pywhatev, right? [15:03] imlib2 1.4.2 that is [15:03] Necos: yeah [15:03] hello slackware people. I am trying to compile grub on my spanking new Slackware64 13.0, and I have a configure issue [15:04] error: C compiler cannot create executables [15:04] falx which compiler does the src need? [15:04] I know, I do have them both installed, imlib is the stock slackware version, imlib2 is the latest version, including patch...and yes i rebuilt pypanel [15:04] isn't grub pre-compiled in /extras or whatnot? [15:04] what patch? [15:04] no, it's in source [15:04] falx: grub will not compile on Slackware64 [15:04] falx which compiler does the src need? [15:04] the x86_64 patch [15:04] Quiznos: stop asking the wrong questions [15:04] Quiznos: I don't know how to answer your question yet [15:05] I guess gcc 4 should work :/ [15:05] falx it's either cc or g++ [15:05] falx: there are a lot of patches for grub to work in 64bit [15:05] alienBOB why wont it compile? [15:05] falx: without multilib packages, Slackware64 is unable to compile 32bit binaries [15:05] I'm trying to use the one prepackaged in my dvd iso [15:05] oh [15:05] that might be it [15:05] install multilib [15:05] thanks alienBOB [15:05] and Quiznos [15:05] brb [15:06] Quiznos: instead of yelling incoherently, I hereby ask you to also tell _how_ you would do what you suggest [15:06] alienBOB: btw, since 13 is out, are there any plans to put multilib in next versions of slackware? [15:06] falx, http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib [15:07] Camarade_Tux: enjoy 13.0 first. What will be in the next release, is unknown [15:07] b0tn3t, don't mess with imlib. it is imlib2 which is the issue here, and i don't know the patch you mean. i suggested looking at their site and trying to get the latest version. or reading their changelog to see if this problem has been otherwise reported (also check pypanel's site for same thing, a bug report) [15:07] nepenthe: I'd rather that Quiznos would have given that link in all his wisdom ;-) [15:07] marto28sf (i=1000@84.252.10.104) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:07] alienBOB: hehe, sure ;) [15:07] :) [15:07] lol [15:08] nepenthe: awesome, thanks [15:08] what's a good prog to test a webcam? xawtv isn't in sbopkg... [15:08] mancha: i used the patch provided by portage on my gentoo side. gentoo is also 64bit and pypanel works on it, and all the version numbers for pypanel's dependencies are the same between the two, in addition, pypanel worked without problem in slackware 12.2 [15:08] vlc, mplayer Chakravanti [15:08] Chakravanti: mplayer tv:// [15:09] firebird: did you run in to problems with kdepim-runtime? [15:09] excellent! [15:09] now to get sound working for it... [15:09] hmm [15:09] Necos: No, I didn't have any issues with that. What issues are you having? [15:09] getting a compile error... looks like it goes back to 4.1 (this issue) [15:10] b0tn3t, what does the patch do supposedly? [15:10] it modifies the loader_xpm code... [15:10] ok, if everything is the same version-wise (both pypanel and imlib2) between your gentoo and your slack then applying the patch sounds reasonable.. [15:11] actually, if it's a gentoo patch, i'd be wary of it :P [15:12] the patch was up until now the only discrepency between everything [15:12] nonsense, gentoo folks are very strong linux users [15:12] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:12] mancha, unless they're not. [15:12] well, th eonly discrepancy i can see [15:12] b0net, i don't know all l this py stuff do you need to rebuild py-panel so it'll link to the patched imlib2? [15:12] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=537577 <--- the same sort of error [15:13] after upgrading the patched imlib2, i did run 'python setup.py build/install' [15:14] i have also looked in the ebuild and there does not seem to be anything different anywhere [15:14] Srbo_ (n=Srbo@dslb-084-058-192-159.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:14] Necos: Hmm, I never had any issue like that. I guess I lucked out. :P [15:14] there's a slackbuild for pypanel, ya know [15:14] lol fire|bird... i'm going to kill you :) [15:15] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl10-165-166.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [15:15] the slackbuild script fails when some of the doc files and such do not get generated, but the build script is the same as what I am doing [15:15] the slackbuild script can be modified to omit the doc-building :P [15:16] and there's a build script for imlib2... so where's the problem again? (i haven't read much backlog) [15:17] the problem Necos, is that using the slackbuilds to install pypanel and its dependencies, there is an inexplicable segmentation fault upon running pypanel that does not exist in other slackwre versions, or other distributions of linux [15:17] b0tnet, amd? [15:17] mancha: intel [15:18] Tony__ (i=Tony@dh207-68-150.xnet.hr) joined ##slackware. [15:18] VampX (n=orlandol@190.141.36.191) joined ##slackware. [15:18] pypanel requires python-xlib, IIRC [15:18] b0tnet, ok well i don't know what your patch is, also the configure flags could be different between you and gentoo. [15:18] my suggestion is to grab the latest imlib2 and i now check out of this thread. [15:19] b0tn3t: are you trying to build pypanel on 13 or 12.2? [15:19] Pypanel requires python-xlib and imlib2. [15:19] yeah, i was right [15:19] i am doing just that mancha, thanks for the help, hopefully t will work as bmpanel is highly inferior to pypanel ;p [15:19] antiwire: 13 [15:20] b0tn3t: did you notice that pypanel isn't in SBo's 13.0 repository yet? [15:20] Necos: I have all the deps. [15:20] JungleC4t (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [15:20] antiwire: it doesn't really require much to build on 13, so it should work [15:20] antiwire: yes, i know that, that should not except someone from installing it considering it does work on my architecture [15:20] have you checked the SBo mailing list? what about checking with the maintainer of the build script? don't you think there might be a good reason for it to not be in 13 repo yet? [15:21] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [15:21] given the large amount of other projects that have been added to 13 from 12.2 repos, I wouldn't surprise me if there is a known issue here since it's not in the 13 repo yet [15:21] VampX (n=orlandol@190.141.36.191) left irc: Client Quit [15:21] VampX (n=orlandol@190.141.36.191) joined ##slackware. [15:22] well, the known issue is that it doesnt work, i am merely trying to igur eout why it doesnt work [15:22] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:22] figure out* [15:22] b0tn3t: are you on 64-bit? [15:22] contact the maintainer and post on the list, you might be doing double work here [15:22] yes [15:22] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:22] there's your problem right there [15:23] VampX (n=orlandol@190.141.36.191) left irc: Client Quit [15:23] Necos: how so? it works on 64bit platforms [15:23] I bet it works on 64bit platforms that have 32bit lib support [15:23] it's still a 32-bit program [15:24] and, i have 32 bit lib support [15:24] so, you need to modify your environment for compiling a 32-bit program [15:24] but it does compile... [15:24] it's segfaulting [15:24] but what is it linking to? [15:24] Netu (i=JungleCa@cs71082.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:25] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) joined ##slackware. [15:25] i do not know. there are no patches that i can find, or any additional instructions [15:25] Is there a way to establish hooks to run before and after suspend to RAM and/or disk? [15:25] pwc101 (n=pwc101@94.192.0.60) left irc: "Leaving" [15:26] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:26] that's because you're not looking at the new slackbuilds template b0tn3t [15:26] i am looking at the working ebuild actally [15:26] veritos: anything in the acpi action scripts before and after the suspend commands get run before suspend and after resume, respectively based on their placement [15:26] b0tn3t: why don't you look at the slackbuild template? [15:27] antiwire, thanks [15:27] veritos (n=veritos@swallow.ee.washington.edu) left irc: Client Quit [15:27] nice job on the slackware13, folks. [15:27] because it's designed for running both 32-bit and 64-bit builds [15:27] Necos: namely because i have no idea where i would go to look at such a hting [15:27] ummm... [15:27] this has taken quite an interesting turn [15:28] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:28] have you tried looking yet? [15:28] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:28] i have googled the words, and i get as results some postings from 8 months ago... [15:29] or do you mean the generaic template.slackbuild? [15:29] yes [15:30] b0tnet, how did you originally build imlib2? [15:30] by hand, probably [15:30] configure;make;install or slackbuilds.org? [15:30] i dont see really how that can help me, the build script for pypanel takes no additional arguments [15:30] and it probably linked against lib64 [15:30] deco (n=deco@adsl-69-108-68-96.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:30] and that's why the shit is segfaulting [15:30] congratulations [15:30] Necos, explain that [15:30] mancha: originally via slackbuild, and now manually ccording to the imlib maintainer's instructions [15:31] he just said he's on slack64 [15:31] yes, and why should he not link against lib64? [15:31] because pypanel is 32bit? [15:31] moks107 (n=shim@77.69.208.3) joined ##slackware. [15:31] aha, that'll do her [15:31] my point exactly [15:32] :) [15:32] gotta run to a classroom, brb [15:32] so why then, on gentoo, running 'python.setup.py install' will result in a working pypanel, when on slackware it doesnt? [15:32] b0tnet, try forcing --libdirsuffix (or similar) to be just /lib and not /lib64 in the builder for imlib2 that you used [15:32] I have a mic on my usb webcam but alsaconf doesn't pick up it up. I've been googling for about a half an hour now and not sure how to proceed, any ideas? [15:33] lsusb: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Communicate STX [15:33] alternatively, tell me what it is linked to. Necos seems to say you nees to build against 32-bit libraries. all this is unchartered waters for me, never made pypanel [15:34] how would i go about determining what it is linked to? [15:34] is py-panel an ELF? [15:34] not that i am aware of? [15:34] it is built against python [15:34] :) [15:35] ok, find the imlib2 library (the so) that is causing this and ldd it [15:35] video comes in fine, just no mic =( [15:36] well i dont know which .so is causing this. [15:36] b0tnet,your strace shows it is loading the 64 bit stuff "/usr/lib64/imlib2/filters/bumpmap.so" [15:37] Bart_Y (n=Shan@83.119.172.124) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:38] actually, libdirsuffix is irrelevant, sorry [15:38] i mean, i'm kinda clueless how to proceed maybe someone can just point me in the right direction? [15:38] gaz (n=gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:38] i also have imlib2 files in /usr/lib/ i dont know what elf class they are... and according to pypanel's README there are no additional build options to pypanel, it uses the same configuration as what python was built with....i think it is a little too much work to build a 32bit python just for pypanel... [15:39] b0tn3t i am sorry to have added to the confusion. from what Necos suggested it is apparently a 32 bit vs 64 bit thing. [15:39] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.35) joined ##slackware. [15:39] hmm, do you think gentoo installs 32bit python libraries as well as 64? [15:40] or imlib...whateer [15:40] this is a possibility [15:40] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:40] Quiznos: Alright, fixed most of the issues. [15:41] Have any of you guys tried using Sonata in 13.0? [15:41] ah well, bmpanel *works* and as it seems, getting pypanel to work is a bit more work than i want to do... [15:41] alkos333: I think so; well, a shortly before 13 on -current [15:41] alkos333: yes, sonata is workign fine for me right now [15:41] cont (n=cont@host112-112-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [15:42] cont (n=cont@host112-112-dynamic.14-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:44] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:45] akira42 (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-236-074.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:46] kleanchap (n=chatzill@p5DC30253.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [15:47] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:47] captine (n=captine@229.11.177.41-get-oneprice-adsl-for-only-R169.cybersmart.co.za) joined ##slackware. [15:47] alienBOB CC=cc|g++ ./configure; make all install [15:48] well my desktop is upgrading right now.. hope it goes ok. [15:48] Hi all. Got slack 12.2 working on old Dell Poweredge. Is it worth doing a custom kernel compilation? tried, but getting "kernel panic's". Think something wrong with lilo [15:48] setup [15:48] captine, what's the kernel panic about [15:48] on boot ? [15:49] b0tn3t: For some reason.. when I play a song, it just plays it in like a second.. blazingly fast [15:49] usually the panic's i got when i was first trying kernels was due to the fs not being built into the kernel.. [15:49] if you're using ext3 or something.. i forgot and did custom kernel, you probably didn't build it [15:49] yea [15:49] why is it like that ? [15:49] Indeed, any time you want to think about a new kernel, you should know how to set it up in the boot loader. [15:49] yip. says Cannot open root device "801". [15:49] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:49] doesnt seem to be detecting my raid setup [15:49] alkos333: I have never experienced that...does it work normal in MPC? [15:49] Oh that probably means you're lacking the hardware support in the kernel. [15:49] that means that a) the kernel doesn't have proper support to find your root partition, or b) it can find it, but can't read the type of FS on it [15:49] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] or, a very rare c) that you set up your bootloader incorrectly [15:50] 801 is /dev/sda [15:50] b0tn3t: Does what? [15:50] ah. it says "0 raid devices found" [15:50] b0tn3t: If I play the same song in mplayer for example, it plays it fine [15:50] or something like that [15:50] alkos333: what happens in sonata? [15:50] thrice`: it just plays the song really really really fast.. [15:50] Anyway, no, I would not recommend a custom kernel to most people. A lot of work, little if any benefit. [15:50] I swear.. within a second or two [15:51] almost as if fast-forwarding [15:51] did you update to 0.15.x ? [15:51] must have left out the correct raid drivers from the kernel. Thanks rob. now let me google how to "re-install" the generic smp kernel. [15:51] chthp (n=data@213-66-224-97-no22.tbcn.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [15:51] thrice`: update what? [15:52] um, depends what you did to lilo, the answer as to how to proceed varies widely. [15:52] alkos333: mpd [15:52] too bad slackpkg doesnt do `uninstall' [15:52] rob0. chances are, i messed it big time. Last time i got a kernel to compile and work was about 10 years ago.lol [15:52] i deleted everything in my /var/log/packages a while back so upgrading this box was sort of annoying [15:52] If all else fails you can use the CD/DVD to get into your installed system. [15:52] thrice`: I got 0.15.2 [15:53] rob0, thanks. thats how i am booting [15:53] alkos333: cre to try anothe mpc client? [15:53] PenPerkInc (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:53] care* (i cannot type today..) [15:53] alkos333: strange - rule out the client, and try another [15:53] just to get the original kernel re-installed, as i deleted stugg [15:53] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:54] chb (n=1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [15:54] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Alright, I'll try something later. [15:54] I have to run to class. [15:54] Later guys! [15:54] chthp (n=data@213-66-224-97-no22.tbcn.telia.com) left ##slackware. [15:55] damn, these old servers take forever for the scsi controllers to boot. [15:56] how old? [15:56] Nigromante_ (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] like 10 years [15:56] Nick change: Nigromante_ -> Nigromante [15:56] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Client Quit [15:56] Dell poweredge 2400 [15:56] my scsi stuff boots in maybe five to ten mins. I have not had something take ten years to boot. [15:56] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [15:56] ;) [15:56] lol [15:56] nice one [15:57] yea but the thing is you are not really supposed to be booting those machines. [15:57] five to ten min? jeebus [15:57] my wife says it makes too much noise, so need to shut down and only boot when working with it... lol. [15:58] buy her earplugs [15:58] buy wife ear plugs. Or get her a hobby that gets her out of the house [15:58] mancha: come on don't steal my line. [15:58] nice [15:58] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FORTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU) joined ##slackware. [15:59] going by standard copyright rules, you stole from me! [15:59] i will see if doing that gets me on to be sleeping on the couch... wait, we dont have a couch yet... [15:59] lol [15:59] Action: ViN86 puts on DMCA badge [15:59] what's goin on here? [15:59] well then you don't have to worry about being in the dog house if you don't have one. [15:59] hello world [15:59] panzer: correct [15:59] hence never get one and you will never be in trouble with your wife. [16:00] yes, never get a wife [16:00] panzer: Nah, he'll still be in trouble, he'll just be sleeping on in the grass. :P [16:00] no worries. I have heard husbands can be just as bad [16:01] lol [16:01] sleeping on the grass looking at the stars. What can be better? [16:01] lol, in the bed with said wife? :P [16:01] in bed with 7 h0es [16:02] Oh oh the LUG just got email saying there is 20MIL waiting on. Hmm all the lug has to do is send 20K$ to a guy in nigeria. Hmm. [16:02] panzer: i did that [16:02] i got my 20 mil [16:02] wicked [16:02] its a good deal, turned out i had an uncle in nigeria [16:02] give me your email addresses, i'll take you off my list!! err [16:02] who woulda thunk it! [16:02] i'm going to send all kinds of cash away with much false hope [16:03] i hope they take home printed money with pictures of spaceships and kitties all over them [16:03] send em wood coins [16:03] pressed hr0se poo coins [16:03] the warapped choco ones work real good. [16:03] lol [16:05] I had a dream last night in which federal marshals were after me. I don't know why though. [16:05] antiwire: i had a dream i got into a bar fight with a motorcycle gang [16:05] and i didnt even do anything :/ [16:05] I have a mic on my usb webcam but alsaconf doesn't pick up it up. I've been googling for about two hours now and not sure how to proceed, any ideas? [16:05] okay wait nix that [16:05] alsaconf picks it up [16:06] i had a dream that i was awake and today i am tired as hell [16:06] i mean that mplayer won't [16:06] lsusb: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:08d7 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Communicate STX [16:06] video comes in fine, just no mic =( [16:06] cityLights (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:08] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:08] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] can you pastebin your lsmod [16:11] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-24-1-225-128.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:11] dTd (n=dTd@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:11] root@slackbook:/etc# lsmod [16:11] Module Size Used by [16:11] root@slackbook:/etc# [16:11] AlexElliott_ (n=alex@client-82-27-244-24.glfd.adsl.virgin.net) joined ##slackware. [16:11] :) love it [16:12] http://www.pastebin.org/13766 [16:12] never mind Chak, don't feel like reading lsmod, try to modprobe snd-usb-audio [16:12] oh, it's there. did you make sure its not muted in alsa? [16:13] no output on that modprobe [16:13] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:13] yes mancha [16:13] through mixer [16:13] briareus: it's all fun and games until you need to reset a device driver [16:13] nachox (n=imarambi@200.68.83.121) joined ##slackware. [16:13] mplayer said no audio i wonder maybe i'm just nto setting options for mplayer correctly/ [16:13] ? [16:13] antiwire: sure, but how often is that, really. I almost never need that [16:14] antiwire: but yeah [16:14] most excellent... [16:14] i have multilib working fine [16:14] I do have some modules but they aren't needed now, so aren't loaded [16:15] Nigromante (n=Nigroman@197.Red-80-35-167.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] devlor (n=lars@login.redpill-linpro.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:16] falx: how much of a PITA was it to get multilib working? [16:16] I read through alien's wiki on it [16:17] whats your mplayer line? [16:17] falx, how? [16:17] lol [16:17] ViN86 (i=1000@SYDNEYPACIFIC-SEVEN-FORTY-FOUR.MIT.EDU) left irc: "Leaving" [16:17] CeruleanC (n=Cerulean@unaffiliated/ceruleanc) joined ##slackware. [16:17] mplayer tv:// [16:18] i'm trying to read how to enable certain audio options but it's giving me a headache [16:18] maxote: I followed alien's instructions found at slackware.com/~alien/multilib/ [16:18] falx, thanks! [16:18] metriccwrench: define PITA [16:18] i shoudln't be doing this without weed but i have a deadline [16:18] Pain In The A$$ [16:18] oh [16:18] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:multilib has the story written out a bit more graphically [16:19] and what is the standard unit of measure for PITA? [16:19] fatalnix (n=fatalnix@pool-70-16-70-118.port.east.myfairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] alienBOB, very thanks! [16:19] Plus, you can use the "Openoffice Export" link in the bottom left to export that article as a OpenOffice document [16:19] tryign to find another capture program that would be simpler to use [16:19] it took me about an hour, an hour and a half, I guess... [16:19] but listener won't compire for some stupid error i don't get and i can't find anythign else for recording froma mic in sbopkg [16:19] put import in a while loop1 [16:19] ! [16:19] :D [16:20] but right now, I have a new problem in my quest to get grub working: ERROR: Can't find 'ext4_stage1_5' from the grub package. [16:20] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:20] Action: Chakravanti feels very fucking stupid atm [16:20] Tony__ (i=Tony@dh207-68-150.xnet.hr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] I'm guessing grub needs an extra special little something to get it to work with ext4... [16:20] dont feel alone Chakravanti i have my stupid moments too [16:21] spc (i=sl4ck3r@vr0.core-1.chi.cryption.cn) joined ##slackware. [16:21] oh yeah, trying out ext4. took a second kernel compile when I realized I hadn't enabled CONFIG_LBD but other than that, all good so far [16:21] falx: grub has a problem with ext4 - did you try using the grub.SlackBuild of Slackware? [16:21] yep, that's what I used [16:21] everything else on slackware 13 has come working flawlessly first time [16:21] oh! [16:21] just this...is kicking my ass [16:21] in fact [16:21] toastytoast flinched and like ran from 64 bit slackwarer [16:21] i'm sure it works perfectly [16:21] he couldnt figure it out [16:21] i just dont know how to tell it to [16:22] We screamed practicly in his head I know this when I told him to compile epsxe [16:22] and he was like I'm installing slackware 32 [16:22] unbelievable [16:22] i just need something to test input from the mic [16:22] and i can't find a program anywhere [16:22] he said, "I will check slackware 64 out more when its more stable" [16:22] and mplayer is way above my head atm [16:22] i dislike word processers :< [16:23] how about giving it an adevice=/dev/whatev [16:23] how is mplayeer above your head? [16:23] idk [16:23] just type mplayer