[00:00] In fact I've yet to hear them ever donate a dime to Slackware [00:00] Old_Fogie: I'm not sure I agree with that completely; they still support Slackware quite a lot, and I'm not aware of them ever donating to anyone (although perhaps I missed that) [00:01] well having a channel for us could be interpreted as "support"; but I've yet to see admin "blog" pro Slackware as he's to busy blogging ubunut. plus many of the site 'moderators' are just plain anti-slack and I'm tired of reading their comments. [00:01] tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [00:02] they're just out to convert the masses [00:02] i doubt they would try that with slackware [00:02] when I first heard of slackware, it was through LQ [00:02] yeah I'd rather see a pro slack site with forums then LQ I just cant stomach it [00:02] though...I havent gone to the forum in a couple of years... [00:02] Old_Fogie : it's simple. if you use slackware, you do not have the time to blog. [00:02] :) [00:02] LQ slackware ranks pretty high on the search engines [00:02] Old Fogie: start one then [00:02] ananke, hahah tis's true here for me :) [00:03] herbert123456, I'm just an ideas guy (that's code for big mouth, low ambition) :) [00:04] No but really, they made their name by being Slackware, and I've yet to see them push, donate, or blog about Slackware yet. I know they want to be for *all* gnu's, but man c'mon give some form of recognition already. [00:04] s/by being Slackware site [00:04] supergear (n=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:04] yea I'm a Slack fanbois I know, I'll go back to my hole now ;) [00:05] well it is pretty well known they are the official slackware forum [00:05] they just dont advertise it [00:06] if its good enough to be official, its good enought for me [00:06] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:06] Old_Fogie: you sound like me when i'm on my "The system is called GNU and the kernel is called Linux"-rampage :-) [00:07] macavity, hahah yea I suppose so :) [00:07] rebelion is a sign of health :P [00:08] on dead fish flow with the stream [00:08] never thought of my self as a rebel...."Who wants some..!" [00:09] grubconfig sets up windows data partitons as bootable :) [00:09] debCarlos (n=carlos@190-76-104-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) joined ##slackware. [00:09] afaik they should be marked so [00:09] Old_Fogie: Depends on what the some is. [00:09] oh yea? hmmm, didnt know that [00:09] FriedBob, hey now I ain't into that [00:09] just kidding [00:09] wise guy :) [00:10] but since windows is the biggest boot sector virus of all time, perhaps its not that unappropriate [00:10] yea maybe grubconfig is better than my antivirus :) [00:10] it found my virrii I've been hunting for years heh [00:10] shred -n10000 is what works best on windows disks [00:11] that should possitively kill the drive entirely [00:11] hahah, wow that'd takes eons to finish that on my boxen [00:11] Action: Old_Fogie crosses fingers, see's if grub works for 12.2 [00:11] naaa... after 10-12 hours the disk dies (and, if you are lukey, it catches fire) [00:12] Action: Old_Fogie wipes forehead, whew it worked. [00:13] doesnt grub always work? [00:13] the only trouble is when you try to remove it :P [00:13] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:13] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-aa569c67c6bd20a9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:13] are you planning a hard drive murder ? [00:14] well, i'm using utf8 for system, and for my user accounts, and so, the 'grubconfig' is all "garbled/mixed up" text and stuff, almost illegible, so wasnt sure if I was reading it right. Add the /dev/root in lieu of /dev/hdaXXX on / change, and I wasnt sure I was gonna have a good box or not [00:14] plain old murder is too weak for windows disks [00:14] lol [00:14] i think "obliteration" is the right fate [00:14] is that spelled right? [00:15] i don't know ^^ [00:15] Action: macavity is proud that this machine has never contained any propietary software [00:15] Obliteration: The act of obliterating, or the state of being obliterated [00:15] sort of the BIOS.... *grrr* [00:15] macavity, you never ran java either? [00:16] nope [00:16] FLash? [00:16] nope [00:16] java is open source now though [00:16] graphic drivers ? [00:16] aceofspades19, yes but before as he said "never" so was just wondering [00:16] gah, the installer isn't detecting my nic [00:16] we are still waiting for 1.7 to hit the market.. [00:16] it's just an intel pro thingie [00:16] you can use openjdk [00:16] debCarlos: i specifically bought a laptop with an intel graphics chip [00:17] i dont need it [00:17] wow [00:17] Asus rocks in that department [00:17] Strykar (i=wakka@gateway/tor/x-987b7b735ff9f3fb) joined ##slackware. [00:18] they have a line called ASMobile, they come without HDD, CPU, RAM and miniPCIe card [00:18] so i just picked what i wanted [00:18] awesome [00:18] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.41) joined ##slackware. [00:19] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [00:19] not to mention that it was a lot cheeper [00:19] anyone know what the module name for the intel pro/100 could be? [00:19] mordy: that's a network card ? [00:19] e100 maybe. [00:19] debcarlos, yeah [00:20] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [00:20] ahh found it [00:20] mordy: e100 [00:20] Flat-Line (n=chatzill@dsl-95.static.grp3.tnmmrl.infoave.net) left ##slackware. [00:20] mordy: or eepro100 [00:21] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [00:21] macavity, modprobe e100 did the trick [00:21] mordy: there are two of them.. dont ask.. i remember there being one of them blacklisted at some point [00:21] just not used to this - should i be expecting to do this stuff with common hardware all the time? [00:21] is that 12.1 or 12.2? [00:21] awesome, and the module for a 'nVidia Corporation MCP67 Ethernet ' net card? [00:22] 12.2 [00:23] debCarlos: forcedeth? [00:24] debCarlos: try looking over this: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/nvidia-nforce-ethernet-card-enabling-it-298186/ [00:24] mordy: im still on 12.1, so i cant see if its blacklisted [00:24] thanks macavity [00:25] mordy: if it doesnt load automatically, you can specifically ask for it by adding it to /etc/rc.d/rc.modules [00:26] kagome_san (i=kagome_s@114.121.106.97) joined ##slackware. [00:26] kagome_san (i=kagome_s@114.121.106.97) left ##slackware. [00:26] i guess i can do it after i've installed it, or just remove it from the blacklist if it's blacklisted(?) [00:26] i was told slackware just have 3.? GB of precompiled soft, from where you get the other ? [00:27] SBO, or from whoever wrote it. [00:27] sbo ? [00:27] check it out hot geek chicks [00:27] http://www.digatechgirl.com/published/year/ [00:27] slackbuilds.org [00:27] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [00:27] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) joined ##slackware. [00:28] ok, thanks FriedBob. [00:28] slackware seems pretty interesting, although i was looking for a maintenance free install :| [00:28] mordy: grep e100 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist [00:29] no OS is maintenance free. [00:29] mordy: lol... slackware is about bing in controll [00:29] mordy: Once it is installed and up and running, it is maintence free. [00:29] mordy: that pretty much means that you actively maintain it :P [00:29] which would be fine if i were its target user :P [00:30] mordy: you do *not* install slackware on someones box and walk away... "Aunt Pippi" can figure out how to install software on slackware [00:30] lol [00:30] mordy: we do not have a "software catalogue" with click-o-rama-auto-wizmo-giz-2000-do-it-all-behind-your-back [00:30] I wish I had an aunt pippi [00:31] lol [00:31] gm152 (n=glen@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:31] lol [00:31] its called slackbuilds.org [00:31] i just clicked over here and that line was the first thing i read [00:31] macavity: Maybe that is why I keep getting hatemail. I walk up to random workstations, install Slackan walk away. [00:31] haha, that's pretty much the case - i don't mind doing occasional maintenance, but i'm guessing i can stabilize this thing after it installs [00:31] mordy: you mention target users. if you aren't the target user and you know that you aren't the target user, why are you tormenting yourself? [00:31] FriedBob: if you have a deathwish that strong, i suggest you just start eating that pound of barbed wire instead ;-) [00:32] mordy: stabalize? [00:32] stabilize [00:33] mordy: it's already stable. [00:33] as in, its not stable? [00:33] macavity: I'm getting less from this than when I was installing WinME... [00:33] if its not, then my cent is on hardware failure [00:33] as in making sure it can handle a variety of changes without the user having to do anything [00:33] FriedBob: and that comes as a big surprise to you? :P [00:33] whoa whoa [00:34] mordy: define "a veriety of changes" please [00:34] _ohm (n=nava@pool-71-99-9-7.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:34] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:34] macavity: Just walk away. [00:34] mordy: the base system is tested and developed specifically with stability in mind. you just said "handle changes" what kind of changes are you talking about? changes you make cannot be used as ammunition against the base setup. [00:35] Any wicd users feeling brave? [00:35] Action: Old_Fogie refers the channel to his comment from about...well when Old_Fogie started using Slackware...Mr. V is making it too easy to install Slack :) [00:35] nullboy, i just mean common hardware etc. nothing heavy [00:35] FriedBob: i have not been driven mad yet.. so ill give it a shot :P [00:35] mordy: be specific, what is the problem? [00:35] what's wicd ? [00:35] mordy: being vague like this isn't helping anyone [00:36] If anyone wants to try out the experimental 1.6.0 builds, http://slackware.com/~rworkman/wicd/ [00:36] nullboy: no problem.. he just needed to load e100 manually.. [00:36] umm [00:36] debCarlos: a gui network manager app [00:36] and that is a stability issue? [00:36] wow, I had never heard of wicd, i always just added the networks by hand [00:36] herbert123456: 1.5.6 is in 12.2's /extra [00:36] so i got the feeling that such things may be needed for other thihngs and the like [00:36] mordy: it may [00:36] mordy: how is that a stability issue? [00:36] mordy: you could put e100 in /etc/modules :) [00:36] mordy: and if you take out the NIC and put in another, it may end up being called eth1 and not eth0 [00:37] i dl-ed the extra CD, just never burned it [00:37] That r226_rw is my bzr branch of the experimental branch - very few changes from mainline, but some stuff I want tested anyway :) [00:37] debCarlos: no such file on Slackware [00:37] debCarlos: /etc/rc.d/rc.modules is the right place [00:37] e100 should load on its own. [00:37] What Slackware version? [00:37] mordy, how old is the box you're working on that you feel "stuck" having to try slackware on? [00:37] rworkman: aye.. its eepro100 that was blacklisted, right? [00:37] macavity: yes [00:38] i still don't know why having to edit rc.modules is considered a stability issue [00:38] old_fogie, p3, 650 mhz, 192 RAM [00:38] macavity: that changed from 12.0 to 12.1 though iirc, so if the sysstem was upgraded from 12.0 to 12.1, then I suspect that it's a user error on not merging configs properly [00:38] rworkman: i did a clean install of 12.1, and its still blacklisted here [00:39] sorry, i'm not in slack until the January 7 ... so i was thinking of debian ^^ [00:39] mordy, you can run debian lenny on that, and that's about the faster hand-holding linux you'll get, it'd be way slower than Slackware. FWIW, if youwant that thing to fly (and I have video of a pc slower than that doing compiz-fuzion in gnome) go with Slackware :) [00:39] macavity: are you sure?? [00:39] rworkman: affirmative [00:40] rworkman: i *always* do clean installs [00:40] old_fogie, that's the reason i'm doing it :P - i tried lenny, it barely moved [00:40] mordy, yes that pc you're using would be fine on Slackware, believe me. [00:40] macavity: from slackware-12.1/source/a/udev/config/modprobe.d/blacklist.new: [00:41] habaneros (n=habanero@pool-71-122-146-120.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:41] liberty $ grep -e e100 -e eepro100 blacklist.new [00:41] # here so it won't conflict with an already-loaded e100 module. [00:41] blacklist eepro100 [00:41] it's the e100 which didnt' load [00:41] at least for me [00:42] rworkman: yes.. isnt that what i just said? eepro100 is still blacklisted in 12.1 [00:42] macavity: ohhh. I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that e100 was blacklisted. [00:42] mordy, on many of my older pc's I've purchased nvidia geforce mx 4 series. they work *splendid* and come in agp or pci models. that will *truly* help to make the pc work faster, especially on the web. they're only about 15$ US all day long . [00:42] That above is as it should be. In 12.0, it was the other way around. [00:42] oh [00:43] didnt know that either [00:43] old_fogie, would be a good idea if it weren't a laptop :P [00:43] oh heh, yea that wont work [00:43] suuure it will.. just find a narrow tipped solder iron and get to work [00:43] mordy, what video is it? [00:43] old_fogie, it was either the actual chip or the driver, but it refused to allow any virtual terminals while X was running [00:44] old_fogie, silicon graphics - m-something [00:44] thinkpad i1171 [00:45] mordy, slackware has only one VT running when you're in multi-user mode, ctrl-alt-f6 is it possilbe, the debianista in you tried ctrl-alt-f1 and it's not an issue for you? you use ctrl-alt-f7 to get back to X. [00:45] s/multi-user/xdm-mode/ [00:46] see /etc/inittab for details [00:46] yeah, i know that [00:46] i just realized something if list modules is "lsmod", and list pci devices is "lspci", list dependencies should then be "lsd", not "ldd", i think ill have to alias it [00:46] I don't know, it's says 'going multi-user' not 'going xdm-mode' [00:46] but if i tried that when lenny was running on that thinkpad, it would just lock the kernel [00:46] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:46] herbert123456: lsd is already there :P [00:47] dont compare lenny to slack a.t.time as lenny still has a ton of bugs on low level (and in their management) *cough* :) [00:47] herbert123456: sorry, my bad.. never mind [00:47] lol [00:47] macavity: Software, not you blood. [00:47] herbert123456: it usued to be an old "standard alias" to list directories [00:47] ah [00:48] herbert123456: ls -d [00:50] dont you hate it when someones ring of keys smells like poo/lead/copper [00:50] ROTFL [00:50] copper is normal [00:50] Action: herbert123456 sniffs keys, smells like pocket [00:51] I don't go sniffing key rings [00:51] ROTFL [00:51] hmm [00:51] well, people who have smelly keys are usually trade workers [00:51] maybe plumbers [00:51] mine probably smells like hay and horse poop, but I will not test that theory [00:51] Action: macavity attempts to smell his GPG key [00:51] raela, neither do i, but i was just holding a set of keys which i borrowed to drive someones car [00:51] epicfail [00:52] these keys smell so fucking bad, which probably means they are poisonous, which was probably done on purpose [00:52] keep the people poor and stupid [00:52] with the soft kill [00:52] just give them some deodorant [00:53] if it smells good it cant be poisonous.... right? [00:53] so when is this guy going to be banned [00:53] when you have value [00:53] ie: never [00:53] ease up.. ease up... [00:53] oh. im so clever. [00:54] how about when you see tradespeople use a spare key as a q-tip [00:54] i mean...FUCK [00:54] im ashamed to say i have even witnessed that [00:54] just to say i have witnessed it is embarassing enough [00:54] why were you borrowing their car? [00:55] can we get back to the tech talk :P [00:55] because mine is not ready until the end of the week [00:55] just put a down payment on a new ford rustbucket [00:55] meh, i like this rant, makes me feel less like an idiot, as opposed to tech talk [00:55] i mean...2009 focus [00:55] j\mmy: so, this person had a car that you needed to borrow for your own use and they obliged to that and then you bad mouth that person who helped you? [00:55] so... how about that new kernel... [00:56] nullboy, im not bad mouthing them. having keys which smell like shit and doing nothing about that problem is a good thing. [00:56] herbert123456: considering to switch to a generic kernel? [00:56] i normally build the latest stable 2.6 [00:57] well in that case you probably dont need much help [00:57] herbert123456: i'm using 2.6.28 with a little patch for USB and it works great [00:57] .28 is working fine here [00:57] nullboy: share knowledge? [00:57] http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12301 [00:57] I suppose we all installed it on X-mas day too [00:57] tradespeople are awesome [00:57] macavity: here is the actual patch http://bugzilla.kernel.org/attachment.cgi?id=19550&action=view [00:57] with the butt-crack [00:58] nullboy has been here long enough to never mention a patch without having an URL handy :P [00:58] and dirt under fingernails [00:58] macavity: lol [00:58] i applied that patch to a clean 2.6.28 and rebuilt. fixed my fingerprint reader [00:58] nullboy, what fingerprint scanner is it? [00:58] biometrics is awesome. [00:59] cant wait until i have to thumbscan to pay for my groceries. [00:59] i mean, it will be so much more convenient. [00:59] and so much more secure. [01:00] everything is more secure at first [01:00] well, appears more secure, usually. [01:00] nullboy: ok, i only had to patch for chopchop/fragment to work [01:00] yes [01:00] i've been playing with thinkfinger for easy use with PAM based system auth and then fprint for just messing around, learing how these little things can mess up http://reactivated.net/fprint/wiki/Main_Page [01:00] nullboy: but i dont have a fingerprint reader, so :P [01:00] thinkfinger [01:01] sounds like the print reader on the thinkpad [01:01] it works for many readers [01:01] anyone else use magickjack here? [01:01] nullboy: is that patch a candidate for -stable, or do you know? [01:01] rworkman: yes, it should be in the next stable as far as i know [01:02] If you know it was *not* submitted to the stable team, then you might want to ping them. [01:02] If you don't know, then ping the author of the patch and ask them to send it to the -stable team [01:03] "Open Source is all about upstream" -- Mark Shuttleworth [01:03] rworkman: in that bugzilla, Alan Stern said 'For those who didn't see it in the mailing list, this patch fixes the problem. It will be submitted and should end up in a 2.6.28.stable kernel.' [01:03] so i think he's going to do it [01:03] not that i like the term he uses.. but the oppionion is all valid [01:04] nullboy: okay, cool. [01:04] i hope he does it ;) [01:04] :P [01:04] i tested it for him too, as i was told to do by the thinkfinger author [01:04] lol [01:04] rworkman, last time i tried submitting upstream i found a dead project...and a bugzilla loaded with spam [01:05] i still kinda doubt they did anything about it...but the debian guys submitted my patch to their branch [01:05] edman007: sad. What project was that? [01:05] pinentry [01:05] firestarter is that way too somewhat [01:05] gtk race condition [01:05] dead, spam showing up [01:06] and the race condition is so bad that the app wouldn't run at all on my system :( [01:06] edman007: oh, I'm not surprised at all. I've dealt with them on something different [01:06] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:06] oh? [01:07] http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-devel/2008-April/024326.html [01:07] Still not fixed to my knowledge. [01:07] know whats the best thing in the world? [01:07] living under the rule of a dictator [01:07] j\mmy: do you have anything constructive to add here? [01:07] the second best is living with a grouch who has dentures [01:08] Action: Old_Fogie see's a hammer falling [01:08] lol [01:08] rworkman, heh, same code area too...it tried to grab the keyboard before the window was on screen (though it was done drawing...X is complicated like that) [01:09] edman007: yeah, I still think it's their bug, even though they seem to think otherwise. [01:09] rworkman: sort of like the kvm guys and /dev [01:09] rworkman, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=401957 could even be related... [01:10] nullboy: yes [01:10] i'm still laughing about that [01:10] Action: edman007 didn't hear about that... [01:10] link? [01:10] edman007: udev modified /dev entries and not /proc but kvm reads from /proc [01:10] rofl [01:11] so USB devices can't have perms set for user access in order to allow KVM to run as a user and expose USB devices [01:11] i had to remount usbfs with a gid [01:11] edman007: you know, that may very well be the same damn bug exactly. It's quite possible that scim is doing somethign to make pinentry *always* lose the race. [01:12] rworkman, yea...because i think i found it because i was running without MTRR, and that seemed to cause it to always lose the race [01:12] err MTRR for the vid [01:12] in linux the child threat always gets run first [01:13] POSIX defines it as "undefined" which one gets run first.. and on BSD its 50/50 [01:13] I'm bookmarking that bug report; I'll try to rebuild pinentry with that patch at some point and see if anything changes. [01:13] Action: macavity kisses APUE2ed again [01:13] macavity, is that true on SMP? [01:14] edman007: to the best of my knowledge, yes.. but nothing is said about how long [01:14] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [01:14] edman007: so it could just be for a few jiffies before the parrent runs [01:16] edman007: but then again.. ive been known to talk out of my arse on more than one occation, so you better double check before you attempt to actually fix anything :P [01:16] macavity, because if it just makes it first in the queue then what is to stop the OS from scheduling it at the same time? [01:16] hi [01:16] does anyone want to move in with me to my unabomber style shack [01:17] it may not be all that spacious, so let's call it "cozy" [01:17] j\mmy, how fast is the internet? [01:17] edman007: if i understand things correctly, it is inherent in how fork() registers the with the scheduler [01:17] edman007, oc192 i think is the highest optical carrier [01:17] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:17] j\mmy kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: I'll move in with you so I can kick you more often. [01:17] :P [01:17] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:17] ? [01:18] he was warned [01:18] told ya I saw the hammer [01:18] :( [01:18] Action: Old_Fogie does the hammertime dance [01:18] doh! I think I broke my hip again [01:18] edman007: the internet can't be that good. It's okay. :) [01:18] macavity, meh, well i would have to check, but the kernel is able to move things around, so i would think that the kernel could move em around before either ran [01:18] high five! low five! hammer five... can't touch this! :P [01:18] macavity, hahah :) [01:18] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "sleep" [01:18] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [01:18] that guy was just asking for me to submit that to the CSIS [01:18] time for my second dinner, bbiab [01:20] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [01:20] edman007: that is intirely possible.. but i have not yet been able to trigger anything but a first running child threat [01:20] *thread [01:20] eeek.. [01:20] Oh, what a maroon. He's msg'ing the bot. [01:20] lol [01:20] >_< [01:21] rofl [01:21] anyways.. time to sleep [01:21] that bot is cold huh? [01:21] [01:18] [j\mmy!n=1@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] hey thats not nice [01:21] [01:19] [j\mmy!n=1@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] oh well, you're just a boy anyway [01:21] [01:19] [j\mmy!n=1@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] boy/toy [01:21] macavity: g'night :) [01:21] night fellas [01:21] lmao [01:21] night [01:21] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "...And thanks for all the [tunar] fish!" [01:22] guys i constantly struggle with regex. do you regex jedis have any book recommendations? [01:23] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] the sed awk book [01:24] playing around with it [01:24] i really don't know where I learned it [01:24] herbert123456: the sed/awk book would work for a regex tard? [01:24] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.41) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:24] don't know, i thought there was a bunch of stuff in there [01:24] i have it here somewhere... [01:24] i just need some clear examples and the grep man page isn't exactly intuitive [01:25] what are you trying to do? [01:26] nullboy, regular-expressions.info <- best site i know of for regex [01:26] wow... [01:26] Action: edman007 is very good are pcre... [01:27] edman007: that's the perl regex? [01:27] yea [01:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.41) joined ##slackware. [01:27] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.151.41) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:27] i might as well start there. the whole reason i wish to get straight with regex is to eventually move to learning and using perl [01:28] and that site is mostly pcre stuff...but thats one of the more powerful engines, if you know pcre then you can figure out the others (it just gets frustrating to write a regex and find out half the stuff you did is unsupported by coreutils) [01:28] but just using a perl script would let that you know work right? [01:28] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [01:28] gah, well all i need to do now is wrestle with grub again [01:28] coreutils uses very different character classes for the larger sets (descriptive and long) [01:28] that/what [01:29] yea [01:29] though i learned with php (which just wraps the perl libs) [01:30] so slightly syntax with a few of the things (the modifiers differ slightly) [01:31] but were in pcre you can do \s for [\t \r\n] it does not work in coreutils, you have to use [[::space::]] [01:31] herbert123456 (n=herbert@99.163.98.13) left ##slackware. [01:32] which is a bit annoying, and coreutils uses arguments to the command instead of modifiers (and there are less of em) [01:32] and the coreutil guys shorten [a-z] into [[::alpha::]] (me does not see that as helpful) [01:33] [[::space::]] is called a class right? [01:34] char class? [01:34] [] is a character class (where is whatever you put inside it [01:34] lando_ (n=lando@c-75-74-143-33.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:34] [ ] is the character class, [:space:] is just a shortcut for all horizontal and vertal whitespace [01:35] ah [01:35] nullboy, http://www.regular-expressions.info/reference.html [01:35] like i said, read that site [01:35] where is the initrd? [01:35] yeah i am, starting this the pcre stuff [01:35] i eated it [01:35] or does the installer not created by default? [01:35] mordy: the stock one on an installed system? [01:35] yes [01:35] /boot [01:36] and tis [[:space:]] with one set of :'s [01:36] man tr for a list of the rest [01:36] yea...i can't read...and i hate those coreutil escape sequences [01:37] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-131-98.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] nullboy, i don't see any file with initrd in it, except "README.initrd" [01:38] you shouldnt *have* to use [[:alpha:]] if you dont want, you can still use [a-zA-Z] [01:38] mordy: ah you are using huge and i should have known that [01:38] lo Link encap:Local Loopback RX bytes:4299156956 (4.0 GiB) TX bytes:72058139503029732 (64.0 [01:38] PiB) [01:39] that is from an 8 hour uptime [01:39] why is it called README.initrd? i just thought i'd give it a shot in grub, but didn't think it would work :P [01:39] it's not [01:39] what on earth would this person be doing to transfer that on a loopback [01:39] that is not it... [01:39] echo "fooBAR" | tr '[a-zA-Z]' '0' should give the same results as echo "fooBAR" | tr '[[:alpha:]]' '0' [01:39] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:39] namely 000000 [01:40] SiegeX, i know, you don't have to use it, but wtf is the point of it when the long form is shorter? [01:40] mordy: there is not initrd for the huge kernel. if you need an initrd that means you are using generic and you will need to make your own initrd [01:40] kernel modules must be rebuilt when the kernel config is changed right? [01:40] fhobia, thats a good idea [01:40] fhobia: if you want to get the modules you selected, yes [01:40] but its not *always* required [01:40] oh n, [01:41] i can't read nor type [01:41] well, i have a few kenrels here, and i don't really know which one to use, i used the generic one, because it sounded the most, well, generic [01:41] don't mind me, i'm with edman007 [01:41] edman007, nullboy: gotcha [01:41] probably for consistancy sake. [01:41] mordy: if you need and initrd just make one [01:41] an* [01:42] and/or readability [01:42] ill use :upper: and :lower: alot even though [A-Z] [a-z] is tech shorter [01:42] anyone have this one? http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596528126/ [01:43] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [01:43] noepr [01:43] SiegeX, thats why i don't use any of those things at all when using coreutils :P [01:45] i would say if you're going to get that, get the sed/awk o'reilly book instead. Then you get to learn not only regex but two of the most powerful utils that use them [01:45] hmm anybody know what package the rc.modules-2.6... file comes from? i probably need to add that file in and properly symlink it from rc.modules if i'm building a custom kernel not using any of the kernel packages ? [01:46] and if you want to use em with perl, im sure the camel book covers it [01:46] well, let's see if this works... [01:46] edman007: nope, it's on my wish list though :) [01:47] fhobia: if you are using a custom kernel just copy the rc.modules-2.6... that is there and modify it for what you need [01:47] oops, i accidentally booted debian with a slackware kernel :| [01:47] Action: BP{k} got "learning the bash shell" this year :) [01:47] mordy, fail:) [01:47] nullboy: yeah, just wondering if there is some module i accidentally don't have that will bust me [01:47] "slackware .. we even boot Debian" ;) [01:47] lol [01:47] old_fogie, was wondering why everything ran so smoothly :P [01:47] hee hee [01:47] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:48] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [01:48] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) joined ##slackware. [01:48] fhobia: it won't. [01:48] mordy, really? must not be on deb stable, that would go "Kernel panic - kernel from within the last 10 years!" [01:48] BP{k}: come hang out in #bash [01:48] fhobia: If you don't need any modules force-loaded, you can remove all of htose rc.modules* files. [01:48] crap in there will blow your mind on what you can do with the shell [01:49] edman007, it's actually what i'm getting with slackware - the kernel panic [01:49] Action: BP{k} checks his /window list and wonders where #bash went :) [01:49] but it's because i don't know what to pass to it as the root partition [01:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:49] fhobia: if you *do* need some forceloaded, then it's almost sure that you'll need them loaded regardless of your kernel version, so you can create an "rc.modules.local" for those, and that will override any other rc.modules* files [01:49] and for one, grub keeps thihnking there are three disks [01:49] ahh, so you're there [01:49] fhobia: key options that either must be Y or included in an initrd are: filesystem, disk controller and sometimes certain scsi options [01:49] mordy: Slackware does not use grub by default. [01:49] mordy, who's grub? [01:49] rworkman: sweet, gotcha [01:50] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:50] old_fogie, aunt pippi's husband [01:50] mordy: and if you *need* an initrd, either you did something wrong or you didn't read the instructions well. [01:50] no, i don't think the initrd is the problem [01:50] is it just me, or is grub needlessly complicated? A coworker of mine was running into grub issues on his RH box and I couldnt believe how long that man page was [01:50] having wrong root will get ya some madness [01:51] i'm just tired and not passing the right path to the kenrel [01:51] old_fogie, that's exactly what's happening :P [01:51] mordy, what partition is slack on? you can use 'cfdisk /dev/hda' for example *just dont change anything* to see a list. [01:51] fdisk -l [01:51] mordy, what drives do you have? and your trying grub? [01:52] edman007, i'm trying to boot from an external usb connection [01:52] mordy, for example, for a slackware on /dev/hda7 you'd have root (hd0,6). it's typically one number lower, eg 6 is 1 lower than hda7 get it? [01:53] mordy, and for the kernel line that'd be "kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hda7 ro vga=773 vt.default_utf8=1" [01:53] that's what my deb lenny boots slack 12.2 with [01:53] debian has a tendency to leave out the "ro' there [01:53] fwiw [01:53] i'm familiar with grub syntax -- but grub is detecting three physical (hd?,x) [01:54] might want to add a panic=5 if you're testing things [01:54] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:54] well tell grub what to do in menu.lst dont let it fiddle futs, *tell* it. [01:54] there isn't any menu.lst yet, i'm using the command line [01:54] mordy, if you dont have /boot/grub/menu.lst you're screwed [01:55] mordy, oh? usb? thumb drive? [01:55] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:55] which os can you boot into? debian only? [01:55] well, all menu.lst does is provide you a nice menu to select kernels etc. [01:55] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] rworkman: does rc.modules.local just use the same syntax? /sbin/modprobe [01:55] but effectively, it's the same as just using the grub console [01:55] it does more than that mordy [01:55] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-72-139.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:55] devnix (n=devnix@host-58-65-245-10.isat.net.id) joined ##slackware. [01:55] it passes the parameters to the kernel [01:55] like , oh I dont know "root (x,y)" :) [01:55] you can do that in the console too [01:56] I can yes, but you cant :) [01:56] gahhh [01:56] boot up into debian, then do grub in there. [01:56] update-grub? [01:57] yup [01:57] gotta love debian ;) [01:57] mordy, or use the slack install cd, in recovery mode, and rerun lilo, or install grub from /extra and run grub-config, then add the debian info the /boot/grub/menu.lst file [01:57] nullboy, this is pebkac tho :) [01:57] i know the issue is pebkac [01:57] old_fogie :| [01:57] i mean it [01:57] gah [01:57] gott alove debian [01:58] i have debian on a system believe it or not [01:58] same here, gotta learn it for family that lives to far away to help with [01:58] r0b_ (n=r0b@pool-71-244-131-98.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:59] i actually like how i can just install it and pretty much get away without much fiddling but come the end of the day when i really need to actually do something special i run slackware [01:59] my laptop is my day to day system and i do everything on it, it runs slackware [02:00] yea very consistent [02:00] debian lenny is much better than etch (which wasnt bad); problem with debian is well, debian. boy are they a mess lately, it's really sad to see this drama. [02:01] nullboy: yes [02:01] it's just plain said. [02:01] Old_Fogie: all i know is that some vote broke down? [02:01] nullboy: what I usually do is copy over rc.modules-$(uname -r) to rc.modules.local, delete all but the top block which does the depmod stuff, and add my custom stuff below [02:01] rworkman: perfect. that i exactly what i was looking to do [02:02] http://home.pacbell.net/morticus/bootcharts/ [02:02] nullboy, yeah the guy who issued it, was 'anti binary blobs'; and put the vote out ther to see if community would want lenny released with/with-out the blobs. Any way you look at it, it holds up lenny..started a debocle and now the secretary and many others are abandoning ship. And they just had a major dev die after Christmas [02:02] Damn, that sucks. [02:02] Old_Fogie: geez. [02:03] Regardless of feelings about Debian, that's sad. [02:03] What happened to him? [02:03] yea it's a big loss the linux community the death of that developer, he was a mips guru [02:03] car accident [02:03] damn [02:04] he ran debian mips, heck he ported linux to mips practically, and a ton of projects [02:05] Debian is supposed to be free, non blob, this whole fiasco should have even started since, well blobs shouldnt even be in main in debian. but they're messing up by even allowing it, then later to vote on keeping to their mission statement, its' a mess. [02:05] I like the one man in charge approach of slack thank you very much :) [02:05] blob == non-FOSS binary? [02:05] SiegeX, correct [02:06] SiegeX: like those intel firmwares and nvidia drivers [02:06] single points of failure has its downsides too though [02:06] basically they built debian lenny with blobs, that shouldnt even be there in the first place, then now it's close to releaes time, and they cant decide if they want to be debian or ubunut basically [02:06] firmware is a bit different... [02:06] firmware does not run on the CPU [02:07] they are typically referred to as blobs too though [02:07] and a LOT of those things have firmware and include it in a rom on the card and nobody complains about that [02:07] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.233.7) joined ##slackware. [02:07] binary large objects that are scary and create conspiracies [02:07] Yeah but for an organizatin to be voting on it's "mantra" it's own "mission statement" is just ridiculous. [02:08] brought up the whole moderates vs freetards debate to a gory ugly level on mailing list [02:08] Old_Fogie: i just think there is nothing wrong with sticking to the mission but allow that type of software to be enabled and installed from non-official mirrors [02:08] exactly, the dfsg thing [02:08] nullboy, exactly [02:08] nullboy, that stuff shouldnt be in main, that's the end of it in my book. [02:09] you want it else where get it elsewhere or build it. [02:09] they're loosing some good people over this thing [02:09] no joke [02:09] from the people who brought you iceweasel [02:10] edman007: oh man that is a nasty story too [02:10] freaking iceweasel [02:10] http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20081229 [02:10] I just mailed a condolences email :( [02:10] edman007, well I look at it this way, (aside from debians patch for the hell of it concept) they do want to maintain a browser for 5 years or so, and mozilla doesnt so they gotta backport sec fixes and not break gnome (which is xulrunner and all thruout gnome) so I can see it. I blame mozilla on that more than debian imo. [02:11] oh man [02:11] Thiemo worked with the openwrt guys a lot too [02:11] Re the firmware crap, that's insane IMHO. It wasn't too long ago that all the firmware images were shipped with the devices in question, and they were considered part of the hardware. Should be the same now, as I see it. [02:12] both of them are crazy people, and have stupid standards that helps no one, ubuntu is going ok because its motivated by money that talks, but debian is too damn patch happy and mozilla can't figure out how to deal with code bloat [02:12] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.233.7) left irc: "Leaving" [02:12] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:13] there is a reason nobody runs FF on a handheld [02:13] rworkman, but a 16k eeprom costs....almost a WHOLE PENNY!!!! [02:13] rworkman, I consider firmware hardware too fwiw, but there's alot of debianistas that believe it's software, and they interprit the debian policy that way (vs what the moderates do) so there in lies this fundamental difference of opinion they got [02:13] not to mention the psycho licensing fiasco [02:13] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:14] yes mozilla uses gpl/bsd libs all over, they're special "dont modify our code and call it firefox" but they modify code of others...oh yeah they're special [02:14] edman007: yeah :/ [02:14] it's e-tarded [02:15] Old_Fogie: I completely understand their point on that though. [02:15] You can modify Slackware, but if you redistribute it, you can't call it Slackware. Seems fair to me. [02:15] oh yea I can see why the debate is there. they really need to hash out and *live* with the decision on what blobs are or aren't. it's been what 20 years now, gnu...they gotta get this going already [02:16] lets see...my PVR has some firmware...its 16k...how much do you think that chip costs? [02:16] you can probably get 5 free from the manf [02:16] It would suit me just fine if Debian were to rip out all the "non free" firmware. (their def. of non free) [02:17] rworkman, same here, that stuff is so easy for a 3rd party repo or add yourself, it's insane [02:17] The rest of us can keep shipping it, so long as the manufacturer allows for free nonrestrictive *redistribution* [02:17] AFAIC, the OpenBSD project has the right idea on that. [02:18] thats pretty much what Gnusense is all. altho ututo-e is only rms certified iirc,which i may not [02:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:18] rms certified hahah awesome [02:18] that does read funny,heh [02:19] yuh argentinian iirc,university [02:19] Rat409, but yea there is only one distro that's FSF certified at this time. [02:19] HURD!!! [02:19] lol [02:19] no they stripped the kernel too [02:19] *linux [02:20] but it's ubunut based :( [02:20] so it's messy debian testing -> ubunut -> freetard [02:20] runs like crap [02:21] still can't figure out why it's not mounting itself [02:22] If I could do that I wouldn't leave the house [02:22] :) [02:22] mordy: if it is a generic kernel you are probably missing rootfs required modules or fstab has incorrect entires....or grub is jacked up still [02:23] nullboy, i've tried with both huge and generic kernels [02:23] i'm thinking it's fstab, but does that cause a kernel panic? i think it just hangs usually [02:23] rule of thumb, if more than (here 650 mhz box) 40 minutes to fix...then reinstall. [02:24] if it is panicking it is probably a grub config issue [02:24] you've spent hours...reinstall and use slackware's lilo at first, then try slack's grub...then add debian to it [02:24] but stick to the huge kernel for now [02:24] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [02:25] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:25] you could add debian to lilo also [02:25] and skip grub completely [02:25] never even used LIL) [02:25] but that'd make their kernel upgrades a pita [02:25] it's easier than grub [02:25] but the problem isn't with the bootloader though [02:25] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [02:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:25] the kernel loads perfectly, it's when it's trying to mount the root filesyste that it panics [02:26] kingsley (n=kingsley@74.220.247.46) joined ##slackware. [02:26] Is there an audio server, like oss, alsa, etc..., that can be installed on two computers, so that any sound played on one is promptly also played on the second? [02:26] mordy, boot the slackware insall cd, follow the directions there to boot an existing installation [02:26] mordy, then run lilo get slackware working, then we can help ya get debian going [02:27] mordy, 'liloconfig' in slackware is *utterly* reliable [02:27] think that will help? i doubt it, but let me try [02:27] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [02:27] mordy: if you can just get slackware booting with the default lilo setup, switching to grub later is easy [02:27] and if your hell-bent on using grub you can install that later [02:27] haha [02:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:27] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) left irc: "Leaving" [02:28] kingsley: any particular reason you want a streaming server? [02:28] I'm getting indignent like rworkman now :) [02:28] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) joined ##slackware. [02:28] Action: Old_Fogie hides :) [02:29] alisonken1home: Yes, thanks for asking. I'd like to add audio to a remote desktop application named x11vnc. [02:29] Arirang (n=Arirang@unaffiliated/kool-aid) joined ##slackware. [02:29] I was under the impression that the vnc software already had hooks for audio on the remote [02:30] kingsley, pulseaudio is supposed to to that, I havent trieed it yet. but esd should I use it for nomachinenx [02:30] esd is already in slack [02:30] or were you thinking more along the lines of "mirroring" the sound local and pushing it to the remote? [02:31] Old_Fogie: So if I were to elaborate, is your understanding that nomachinenx can use esd for audio, which can be replaced by pulseaudio? [02:32] well pulse claims to be better than esd (i've yet to see how in real life), but for nomachinenx it can use the esd sound server so the client plays the sounds of the host pc. [02:32] well, esd allows network sound - not sure about the duplicate sound, though [02:32] that's what I think he means too [02:33] nomachin is basically a glorified x11vnc, with bells and whistles uses ssh, and you get the thinclient "feel" [02:33] with sound [02:33] alisonken1home: After perusing x11vnc's documentation, and after having read that the vnc protocol is only for graphics, it seems to me that x11vnc doesn't support audio. So, it seems to me that "mirroring" local sound remotely would be an acceptable alternative. [02:34] Action: mordy hates dealing wiht bootloaders [02:34] IIRC, vnc does not specify anything about audio [02:34] right that's why I like nomachine [02:34] Old_Fogie: I'll look into replacing x11vnc with nomachinenx. [02:34] it's alldone for ya [02:34] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [02:34] its not easy to network audio anyways (though jackd can try) [02:35] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: "leaving" [02:35] esd does , but the docs out there are a tad old, but it works quite well. [02:35] esd will network audio? [02:35] Isn't esd "a tad old" too? :) [02:35] I've gotten pulse to do it, but I cant get multispeakers [02:35] ccfreak2k, yea true [02:36] i cant even get multispeakers to work on the host at all with pulse [02:36] use netcat /dev/dsp haha [02:36] hmm..interesting, i tried jackd and they removed the stuff from the OSX port citing its crappyness [02:36] well, i've chrooted into my new installation, and now liloconfig returns nothing [02:36] ccfreak2k: although that's almost like saying "Linux is a tad old - being 15 this year" :) [02:36] Wikipedia suggests that esd does indeed support network-transparent audio. [02:36] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) joined ##slackware. [02:37] fogiepedia says it works :) [02:37] It also says that netjack does as well. [02:37] what does fogiepedia say about magickjack with slackware? [02:38] I've added my printer but after I reboot I always have to go into the control panel and actually start it after every bootup. The other thing is the permissions are screwed up. I have to either manually chmod 666 the printer device.. It's listed as root/lp. Shouldn't I just add any users to the lp group to print? [02:38] mrselfpwn, "magicjack - page not found - click here to begin the conversation" [02:38] Action: mrselfpwn clicks [02:38] :) [02:38] hahaha [02:39] lol [02:39] at least grub gave me some output [02:39] Wescotte: nope - your friendly neighborhood "lp" cli program and cups are what does it - leave the perms alone [02:39] Wescotte, yes you have to be in lp group [02:39] have you heard of the device before? [02:39] Old_Fogie: nope [02:39] arno (n=arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [02:39] scubacuda (n=chatzill@22.sub-75-214-4.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:39] to print? [02:39] alisonken1home: hplip requires that. [02:39] and scanner too if you want hplip [02:39] hplip requires the lp group - users are not required to be in the lp group [02:40] randomly going into the wild and changing perms is not needed on 12.2 [02:40] alisonken1home: I'm telling you, it does. [02:40] I've got two printers that use hplip. [02:40] and I wrote the snippet about it in C&H [02:40] ok - then why am I not in the lp group, yet I print just fine as a user? [02:40] Action: Old_Fogie says rworkman is the guy who does hplip for slack :) [02:40] alisonken1home: I have no idea. Good question. [02:40] So, the fact that my printers don't "start" on boot maybe releated to this permission problem? [02:41] Wescotte: that should be unrelated. [02:41] Wescotte, you may not have /etc/rc.d/rc.cups as 0755 ? [02:41] rc.cups is +x [02:41] check the logs too for cups [02:41] should say something [02:41] alisonken1home: is your printer an HP? [02:41] last I checked, the lp program (and the kde print stuff) talk to the hplip daemon for printing - the hplip daemon may need to be in the lp group, but a user has not needed to be in the lp group [02:41] hp laserjet [02:41] color [02:41] there's no daemon anymore [02:42] Old_Fogie: which log specifically? [02:42] /var/log/cups/* [02:42] valvola (n=val@host102-30-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [02:42] alisonken1home: very odd. Maybe it's only for some of them then. I know for a fact that my multifunction won't print for me unless I'm in the lp group. [02:42] alisonken1home, maybe your thinking of slack 11 iirc? [02:42] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [02:42] damn it that is probably why cups was giving me such a hard time [02:43] nullboy, fail :) [02:43] Old_Fogie, magickjack is a device you plug into usb that has a phone jack on it. You can plug any phone in and call anywhere for free. Though the software is windows for windows. [02:43] slack 12.0 and 12.1 installed at home and on a multifunction hp at the office - users do not need to be in the lp group in order to print jobs. CAVEAT - have not tried doing scanning [02:43] mrselfpwn, aha ok. no I didnt knowthat. [02:43] yes [02:43] alisonken1home: hrm, correction.For *scanning* - I have to be in lp group. [02:43] rworkman: ok - that I can believe [02:43] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [02:44] which is retarded [02:44] rworkman: hmm this is a mutlifunction w/ a scanner.. I'll prolly just add users to lp then [02:44] It can't hurt. [02:44] Wescotte, I'd add to scanner and lp anyway fwiw [02:44] nope - need write access to the device in order to scan [02:44] would switching to UTF-8 screw up my filesystem? [02:44] nullboy, I hope not I just did it :) [02:44] nullboy: I've been using UTF-8 since 12.0 [02:44] ok cool [02:45] we'll see if recipients of my documents in windows can read them now ( /me looks to sky and prays) [02:45] Wescotte: if you're going to be giving all users access, it would probably be better to see about changing the perms to root:users in the udev scripts [02:46] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.231.41.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [02:46] alisonken1home, I disagree I mean there's a reason that lp and scanner is there, it's a limited access group, and the whole security schema is tossed that way. [02:46] they (lp and scanner) have very little read/write on the box, whereas users have more [02:47] Old_Fogie: he was going to be adding all users to the lp group - might as well give group users access to the device rather than overload the lp group with every user [02:47] there's a *huge* reason why users are allowed to access libusb you know [02:47] does NOT mean give world access to the device [02:48] old_fogie: changing group perms of /dev/(printer) to users is not the same - think abou tit [02:48] I really dont think it's wise, he'll be the only slacker (or practically) here in the world with that setup, and if he has issues, he's screwed. Might as well stay the traditional unix way and not monkey fart /me thinks ya know :) [02:48] scubacuda (n=chatzill@22.sub-75-214-4.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [02:48] /agree [02:49] Old_Fogie: Can you recommend a free and open source nomachinenx-compatible server? [02:49] adding every user to the lp group will produce other issues as well - especially if there is more than one printing device that's not a scanner [02:49] Honestly, what alisonken1home recommended is sane, and more scalable. [02:50] alisonken1home: thanks for the tip [02:50] kingsley, they're used to be 'freenx' which is "FLOSS" if that's what you mean. I havent built it in long time (or know if it's still developed). Nomachine nx client and server is free to use on linux but not FLOSS. [02:50] rworkman: you'll like this one, for KVM i have to use a gid to mount usbfs...for the real system, i have to use that udev rule to give users access to the fingerprint reader after all...i LOVE this. [02:50] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:50] nullboy: kvm bug, I'm telling you :D [02:50] hehe [02:51] and of course "that's how it works" is what the kvm guys say [02:51] the brutal circle jerk begins [02:51] hehe [02:51] well, guess what [02:51] lilo loads debian too [02:51] np [02:52] I dont know, seeing how cups and some hooked daemons like samba tie in and have read/write in /var...I'd shy away from adding libusb devices to users, that's just not sounding secure to me [02:52] nullboy, i remember the same damn thing when they moved the Ti cable out of the kernel, they just said you can use usbfs and you spend all day to find you lose permission control [02:52] not just _any_ libusb device - only the entry for the scanner [02:52] and that was a long time ago [02:52] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:52] alisonken1home, then again this could be solved with pam and policykit too tho *cough* :) [02:52] :) [02:52] someone said PAM? [02:52] i haz it working on 12.2 [02:53] hm I just reverted to the default cups confs and then added my printer with the control panel and it seems to function correctly now for all users (w/o being in lp group or manually changing permissions to the dev) perhaps my old .confs were borked [02:53] See I'd do what you said on a pam/policykit box, but not Slackware no way no how [02:53] Old_Fogie: oh come on [02:53] it's actually pretty cool. PAM is quite a nice lady once you get to know her [02:53] well, Pam is someone you date - and if you marry her, she controls your short hairs. [02:53] libusb is dangerous, I'd never let users and network daemons on the fly hook it without security on it [02:54] which is why usb fingerprint readers are useless on windows,mac linux. usb lines are easily hacked [02:54] it's still cool [02:54] all it takes it root access [02:54] true [02:54] nullboy, your a sick sick person [02:54] alisonken1home, actually google it, it's quite interesting. [02:55] alisonken1home, the way they whack libusb and bypass the security. [02:55] libusb or PAM? [02:55] /cl [02:55] i spent weeks making PAM actually work properly with my system so i could use my fingerprint reader [02:55] fingerprint reader exploits [02:55] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) joined ##slackware. [02:55] really, it sounds like TPM (bad word I know) chips are the only way around it to get it right [02:55] though not for security, just because i have the unit might as well be able to tell people "YES IT FSCKING WORKS" [02:55] heh [02:56] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:56] Old_Fogie, you ever read how bad firewire is if you allow an attacker to hook up hardware? you can dump and control the entire system over firewire and the OS/perms is null and void (except on some AMD CPUs that allow remapping the dma address space [02:56] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:56] edman007 that is true [02:57] although one nice side effect of getting PAM going...automatic samba <-> unix password sync [02:57] edman007, yes it's insane, you can be at a starbucks leave your pc on the table, go to the bathroom come back and your owned [02:57] yup [02:57] starbucks? what's starbucks? [02:57] nullboy, yea and it opens/controls gnome's keyring automagically for the user so you dont have to enter the pass wice [02:57] coffee shop [02:57] alisonken1home, a place with retards using wireless [02:57] i have a fon router with jasager [02:57] pam "SESSION" FTW [02:58] Old_Fogie: (my comment on overpriced preppie drinks) [02:58] :D [02:58] edman007 has a better description [02:58] it will automatically have client connect to my router and it shows up as their home network [02:58] I go, but I dont drink their stock coffee. The owner has a special pot for me and my lads :) [02:59] oh, and slashdot had some stuff online where they broke a real world CA (rapid SSL) [02:59] my brother works for starbucks. do you guys know which drink has the best cash to caffeine ratio in the context of starbucks? [02:59] edman007, I know I just saw that today. [02:59] now that is useful for hacking wifi [02:59] edman007, 200 ps3's wow [02:59] the simple double espresso. [02:59] nullboy, oh yea? good to know. [02:59] I never have time to just "sit" at a coffee shop in a long time - so I got used to 7-Eleven coffee (after 20 years of Navy coffee) - and it's more affordable [03:00] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [03:00] 7' has good coffee tho, so does wawa [03:00] we have a chain up here, tim horton's it tastes like navy coffee [03:00] edman007: i saw that CA work. those bastards used a cluster of PS3s [03:00] except for the pots I make at home [03:00] awesome work [03:00] Old_Fogie, and the funny thing is just think about people with access to some FPGAs, i saw a guy that wrote a brute force cracker (taking no advantage of the bug they did) with a HD recorder [03:00] nullboy, yea like 200 of them heh [03:01] If I were Mr. V I'd be rehashing all slack versions with sha1sum *now* [03:01] and i think that may have been faster [03:01] http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2007/09/nsahome_distributed_fpga.html [03:01] Old_Fogie / edman007 someone in here mentioned that the nvidia Telsa stuff was perfect for this too [03:02] Man I hope the world banking institution get's their act together, cuz this could really be crippling [03:02] Old_Fogie, It is capable of searching the full 8-character keyspace (from a 64-character set) in about a day [03:02] hmm must have had goofy cups .conf files from before because now it's working just fine. I didn't have to add users to lp group either. [03:02] they need to switch to blowfish or twofish or AES already wtf [03:02] and that runs off less power than 1 PS3 [03:02] well, i think i found out the problem [03:03] Wescotte: for printing only, that should be the norm [03:03] and costs less then that stack of PS3s [03:03] edman007, is that the one of the "korean" lady hacker that works out of her house and is a mother of like 8 kids? or is it China, I can't recall. She cracked md5 last year, man I knew this was coming [03:03] glad to hear it's up now [03:03] so that initial CA crack with the PS3s...did that use a raw collision or did it use rainbows? [03:03] was it just doing a hardcore brute? [03:04] well her work was the tell tale sign, md5 is near it's end, and the government asked the banks to move to sha1 whether or not they'll do it now is anyones guess [03:04] Old_Fogie, no [03:04] nullboy, collisioins [03:04] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [03:04] the thing is that grub loads the kernel from (0,0), now the problem is that somehow the perceived arrangements of the disk gets changed [03:04] sha1? oh lord [03:04] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [03:04] nullboy, that's what the government said to do [03:05] here last year or so [03:05] give/take a few months [03:05] I did have to add users to scanner group to use the scanner but again that was the norm.. [03:05] when her report came out [03:05] wasn't sha1 broken or nearly broken? [03:05] Wescotte: that would be the norm - true [03:05] sha1 has been broken - but not feasibly broken IIRC reading an article the beginning of the year [03:05] http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/02/cryptanalysis_o.html [03:06] Captain Schneier [03:06] I say go whirlpool, I like the name [03:06] or tiger [03:06] i'm fading fast, night all [03:06] yeah tiger, sounds fearsome [03:06] night Rat409 [03:06] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("Irssi v0.8.13-svn - http://irssi.org/"). [03:07] twofish worked nicely for my disk encryption but i never had a chance to let the NSA have a go at it [03:07] nullboy, the FPGA thing does a full brute on 64^8 strings in under 24 hours [03:07] edman007: damn [03:07] but thats not near the full space of md5 [03:07] but its good for passwords [03:08] slackware's shadow uses md5 + salt right? [03:08] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.231.41.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [03:09] nullboy: it's standard password suite - shadow just hides the hash outside of the normal passwd file [03:09] right but there are options to crypt [03:09] and I would have said "salt + md5" myself :) [03:10] oh whatever [03:10] options, true [03:10] Action: SiegeX grins, my job gives me access to a chassis with 16 FPGA's all connected to a PXI backplane using a pentium-M real time controller with DMA transfers. Had I had a deep interest in cryptanalysis that puppy could do some serious damage [03:12] Action: Old_Fogie says haway distcc & ccache worketh on Slack 12.2 :) [03:12] each one is 3-million gate too, so depending on how complex the algo is, each FPGA could have many many instances running in parallel, each taking a portion of the key space [03:16] SiegeX, he is using 8 XC2VP20, which google says is 20k cells each [03:16] SiegeX, http://nsa.unaligned.org/files/md5.tar.gz http://nsa.unaligned.org/files/sha1.tar.gz [03:17] thats the verilog [03:17] these fpga's actually use the LabVIEW graphical programming language which converts it into VHDL behind the scenes [03:17] but I believe they have a node that takes in raw VHDL, maybe even verilog [03:17] still don't know why c++ is so much faster using ccache then c ; but oh well. [03:18] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com expired. [03:18] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@CPE001d7e48319d-CM0019474d4b20.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:18] Old_Fogie, ccache precompiles headers... [03:18] and other stuff [03:18] and that means what for c++ faster than c ? [03:19] it's odd , older pc's build c++ slower than c apps, but use of ccache for c++ is faster than c I find (given same file size tarball) if that means anything heh [03:19] are you using ccache when compiling c? [03:19] edman007, yes [03:20] might not be working right....how do you know if faster if the code is different? [03:20] I got my masquerading for c++ and c ; I dont do java or fortran builds enuff [03:20] yea true [03:20] i'm just gauguing on percent of time it takes a build [03:21] like if an app builds in an hour on c right, then using ccache for that c app takes let's say a half hour. but build a c++ app for an hour, then rebuild it using ccache, it's like 2 minutes [03:21] well not 2 but maybe 10/20 tops [03:21] the rebuilds of c++ seem so much faster than c rebuilds w.r.t. their first time build [03:22] what is /var/log/scripts used for? i just noticed that dir is full of stuff [03:22] SiegeX, that's your 'doinst.sh' from your packages, dont delete them [03:23] ah hah [03:23] used when you remove packages? [03:23] or whats the point of having them if the pkg is already inst? [03:24] I'm not exactly sure of the inards of pkgtool and how it uses that file wrt it's database but it's necessary for removing [03:24] funny [03:24] http://bash.org/?795779 [03:25] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:25] heh, thats true [03:25] lol [03:26] hahah [03:26] that was me for real [03:26] :WTF [03:27] lmao [03:27] even to this day ill go into recording mode or some crazy crap and have to :q:q:q:q or more times [03:27] SiegeX: /var/log/packages is the database of installed files, but there is also a directory that kept your install scripts so you can reinitialize your package if needed [03:28] s/installed files/installed packages/ [03:28] briareus_ (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:29] ahh ok, ya I use /var/log/packages all the time but never even noticed the log/scripts [03:30] The scripts are used for package removal; don't kill that dir. [03:30] I learned that the hardway I can attest to that heh [03:30] or /var/log/setup :) [03:31] debCarlos (n=carlos@190-76-104-88.dyn.movilnet.com.ve) left ##slackware. [03:31] acutally /var/log/setup is pretty cool. [03:31] ton of stuff I could do with that if I knew what the hell to do with it (like write code) [03:32] Old_Fogie: standard bash scripts for initializing package data/links/etc.... [03:32] oh, and using dialog in a lot of them [03:32] yea but a bash script could call a nice perl, etc that'd be nice [03:32] yea exactly [03:32] yay! mc development is continuing! :) [03:32] sahko, oh yea? [03:33] yeah! [03:33] Old_Fogie: except perl/python may not be available from your boot media :) [03:33] that's good, maybe it'll stop all the patches for it [03:33] mc, removing insanely named files since god knows when [03:33] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/mc-devel/2008-December/msg00027.html [03:33] alisonken1home, true but down the pike and all like for gnome, it'd be neat I can think of some things for it [03:33] yea, so many patches flying around [03:33] too many [03:34] and screen stinks with mc for copying, leave screen and come back / resize term (yukkies) [03:35] thats another essential app that needs some love [03:37] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) joined ##slackware. [03:37] wow... I just really messed up my system somehow.. I just finished telling cups to share the printer.. I went to test it on another machine and it showed up in the print queue but never printed. Then I removed it manually and my screen went black. Now the machine won't even fire up in run level 4.. [03:39] panda (n=cerami@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [03:39] there isn't a way on boot to tell it to use runlevel 3 instead of 4 is there? or I just have to modify /etc/inittab and reboot again? [03:39] Wescotte, maybe its cold, give it hot cocoa [03:39] stick '3' (no quotes) on the boot line [03:39] Wescotte [03:40] do you have a back up kernel? [03:40] to boot to [03:40] nah, it's a generic kernel [03:41] I'm just gonna boot of the slack DVD and force it back to 3 [03:41] yeah [03:42] Wescotte, you know you can do that with lilo right? [03:43] edman007: sorta.. I could figure it out but not really worth it for this machine.. it's a 0 timeout for lilo menu [03:44] boot: kernelnamehere 3 [03:44] it enter [03:44] actually you hit carriage return :) [03:44] mine says enter [03:44] 'CR' <--- lol I love it :) [03:44] will lilo allow me to do that with a 0 second timeout? [03:45] Wescotte: just be on the ball [03:45] try it [03:45] what's the key to get into the command line? [03:45] get all over the tab key like a maniac [03:45] I do see a LIL for a second or so [03:45] hehe too late I missed it. but I changed inittab anyway :) [03:45] just bash the tab key nonstop after the bios check [03:45] i mean POST [03:46] yeah [03:46] it'll catch [03:46] Wescotte, zero timeout is no fun, make it at least 1 [03:47] hmm X is failing to start.. can't even cltr+alt+backspace to return to command line [03:47] edman007: I live on the edge :) [03:47] Wescotte, binary blob ftl [03:47] ftl? [03:47] can you get to a seperate terminal? [03:48] I can boot into runlevel 3 just fine.. gonna check the x logs. thought it was something with gdm but it doesn't seem to be [03:49] Wescotte, fail -> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ftl [03:50] yeah, i'm lost on your situation [03:50] is there a way to tell if libcrypt was built with sha256 support? [03:50] me too :) [03:52] yes nullboy, though i don't recall the command [03:52] nullboy, scared eh? [03:52] ah ha [03:52] it was, i just ran the configure script for it [03:53] checking which symmetric ciphers to include... arcfour blowfish cast5 des aes twofish serpent rfc2268 seed camellia [03:53] checking which public-key ciphers to include... dsa elgamal rsa ecc [03:53] checking which message digests to include... crc md4 md5 rmd160 sha1 sha256 sha512 tiger whirlpool [03:54] hmm I don't see anything in xorg.log at a glance.. [03:55] libgcrypt-config --algorithms [03:55] that does it [03:55] time to bust out the Ubuntu disk to see if my video card maybe just died [03:56] haha it works! [03:56] i made PAM use sha256 instead of md5 [03:56] what's the key sequence to cycle resolutions in X? ctrl+alt + (plus/minus) ? [03:56] which means passwd and shadow do it too [03:57] Action: Old_Fogie passes the "Grand Poobah Tin Foil Hat" for tonight only :) [03:57] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [03:58] XXXX:$5$uGZ76pn4$cMzb/Y.TGTdYDUMFoVWFE6pgbnVmu7KYqGgcdDhQ7P.:14244:0:99999:7::: [03:58] just an example [03:58] notice the $5$ [03:59] how far does it get on boot? [03:59] wescotte [03:59] do you see text at all? [03:59] it boots fine [03:59] X is the problem [03:59] if you can see the bios then your video card isn't bad [04:00] I just tossed in my Ubuntu disc and it's having problems too.. I think my video card just died [04:00] good morning [04:00] I literally just used in an hour ago (Ubunutu disc) on this machine to see what it was detecting for cupsd.conf so I know it works [04:00] all [04:00] morning [04:01] XXXX:$6$SaKGHFP$sCEXu52xHMskBf8BrO6TOTgLZebuEw50nZrzIAzR3ujiopBg6K9maEfWJqKO3ZefO3xFR064Dl5kD2ryk7fDA0:14244:0:99999:7::: [04:01] sha512 in /etc/shadow [04:01] lol [04:01] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [04:01] I'm thinking it's a hardware problem... [04:01] nullboy, did you get the pam all done kde, finger reader etc? [04:02] yep [04:02] all works [04:02] Old_Fogie: however there is an old and still standing bug with kdm so i used xdm for fingerprint X auth [04:02] ah very good. did you / are you writing up anything on it. as I did my own I'd love to compare [04:03] Old_Fogie: i'm going to write it up and document all my changes (already have started) but i won't provide packages. i'll put the scripts up though [04:03] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:04] hmm guess I'll try another video card and see what happens.. I guess I just had some bad timing/luck [04:04] i really went OCD on the install scripts though. some i got from another guy who seems like a heavy slackware guy but i still made some modifications of my own [04:04] there were a few builds that works but didn't enable everything i wanted [04:04] Wescotte [04:04] nullboy, nah that'd be neat as I may have a glitch on mine that's showing up in gnome 2.25 series (but that is dev branch of gnome) [04:05] can you see anything when you boot the pc? [04:05] basically with what i did you end up with fully functional PAM for the system + fingerprint ability [04:05] at all [04:05] bios or whatever [04:05] nullboy, oh yeah I used a lot of stuff from fedora, and debian , helps to see things, I didnt do the fingerprint reader tho [04:05] samba, cups, shadow, openssh, sudo, screen, xdm, popa3d [04:05] Old_Fogie: yeah same here [04:06] yeah there really isn't any point re-inventing the wheel. I mean for me the most part, I learned what the syntax was , and much of it was almost the same over and over to be honest, with the fallback of choiice [04:06] if you see any kind of picture I doubt your video card went out [04:06] we all for the most part use the same apps, libs, just path a tad different [04:07] because Wescotte [04:07] I had the same problem with mine [04:07] Old_Fogie: exactly, PAm just can be a little confusing with the rules and target before you fully understandhow it works [04:07] could not ctrl+alt+backspace out of X [04:07] all i saw was a black screen [04:07] after i read the PAM manual and the manpages for every module it made a lot more sense [04:07] nullboy, see I found policykit harder but some say that's way easier than the pam. IDK odd, heh [04:08] it was a setting in my xorg.conf that needed to be changed to solve it Wescotte. [04:08] since i've got Linux-PAM under control now i want to see how OpenPAM is [04:08] nullboy, in days of past, I could see the fear of pam (and still so now) but heck I was able to do it heh [04:08] kingsley (n=kingsley@74.220.247.46) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [04:10] Old_Fogie, hey man, I'm on KDE4, sorry for screwing things up yesterday :) [04:11] mrselfpwn: it was working just fine until a few minutes ago.. I even tried a Ubunutu disc(that worked earlier today).. failed to fire up X.. I think it's a hardware issue.. [04:12] I'm feeling lazy so I'm gonna go with the time honored let's see what it does tomorrow technique :) [04:12] IntangibleLiquid, hey you got it? good for you :D [04:13] Old_Fogie, it works pretty well :) [04:13] Hi there, been noticing a lot of my .avi vid files play with a line across the bottom, distorted in xine, green in vlc, same files play fine in windows, anyone else have that problem? [04:13] wow is it snowing hard outside, we're still pumping a *ton* of water from our 3' of melt in under two days, and now snow... oh my [04:13] Are there any video cards that support mpeg4 decoding in hardware that work under linux? [04:13] IntangibleLiquid, I havent tried it yet but looking forward to it [04:14] Wescotte, I'd say look throught the articles at 'phoronix' website, they keep tabs on stuff like that or try their forums out if you cant find someone here who knows [04:15] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:15] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:16] Conflict_80, avi is a wrapper and so it can be almost anything inside. I'd say try a different video type and see if that has an issue too. Try and narrow down if the issue is avi's or just your video card/X11 [04:17] Seems to only happen with .avi, and only some of them. But the ones affected only have that problem using linux, vlc in windows plays them fine. [04:18] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [04:19] you probably need some codec of some sort sounds like [04:19] Wescotte, try removing the card and reinserting it [04:19] avi is just a mess [04:19] mrselfpwn: yeah I will.. just tomorrow.. I'm too lazy to do it now [04:20] Lab_Rat (n=lab_rat@c-67-174-200-145.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [04:20] you will do it now [04:20] Action: mrselfpwn gets a whip [04:20] Action: Old_Fogie grabs popcorn [04:21] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:21] ok so does anyone know how to change the default shadow password encryption type on slackware without PAM? [04:21] i can do it with PAM but i can't figure out how to do it without PAM [04:23] /etc/login.defs: ENCRYPT_METHOD ? [04:23] hmm [04:23] not sure [04:23] this is time for a VM [04:25] here goes nullboy locking himself out of a VM [04:26] marcus_ (n=Marcus@d83-189-48-58.cust.tele2.de) joined ##slackware. [04:27] is this what they mean by "fighting your own shadow" ? [04:28] bah doomp doomp :) [04:28] :D [04:28] lol [04:28] nullboy: just make a rescue initrd. qemu is good like that, letting you specify initrds [04:28] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [04:28] spook: i just use copy on write files [04:28] Action: edman007 kills all initrds [04:28] at least for this type of mayhem [04:28] ah ok [04:29] thats even better [04:29] vm snapshots [04:29] yep [04:29] "oh crap!" ... *POOF* [04:29] all betta [04:29] kvm by extension is awesome, sharing codebase with qemu [04:30] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [04:30] yeah totally [04:30] i can do snapshots with LVM or KVM! [04:30] i just use lvm for images :) [04:33] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [04:33] What does #slackware listen to while they work on things? [04:34] nothing [04:34] depeche mode [04:34] gary numan [04:34] music gets in my way [04:34] pink floyd [04:35] i watch shows/movies on my second screen [04:35] nullboy: Really? Not even easy listening, or classical/orechestral? [04:35] nothing [04:35] orchestral* [04:36] hence his name >> [04:36] when i want to listen to music, that's what i do but i can't work with stuff in my face like music or tv [04:36] I am like that at times too, so I can understand [04:36] i need distractions to think [04:36] though, i agree. If i'm really digging in it is distracting [04:36] But I couldn't handle that much quietness all the time. [04:37] Shoot, I was hoping to find some new artists on here, haha [04:37] Desperado667: same here. [04:37] Desperado667: i'm the opposite of that. i cherish pure silence. i wear heavy duty earplugs sometimes just to block out external crap [04:37] nullboy: i would go stir crazy. [04:38] hehe [04:38] the less i can hear the happier i am [04:38] nullboy: You most likely don't have to worry about tinnitus then. [04:39] The quieter things get for me, the louder my tinnitus is [04:39] only times i deal with tinnitus are with heavy doses of aspirin or if i'm really drunk [04:39] I have it anytime it's too quiet or when I bend my head too far forward, I hear what sounds like muffle voices. [04:39] muffled* [04:40] yes, i can sit around and listen to nothing [04:40] and be happy [04:40] a lot of people i know can't [04:40] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:41] I usually play songs in intervals... I want my playlist to have a hiatus between songs sometimes. [04:41] i'm also a fairly introverted type of personality. being by myself for days at a time doesn't bother me at all [04:41] Nullboy: same here [04:42] I can be completely alone for months, maybe even years, if it were possibe. [04:42] possible.* [04:43] What's the best way to control the cpu's frequency ? [04:43] pip: cpufrequtils [04:43] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/libraries/cpufrequtils/ [04:43] Okay [04:44] or you can just manually echo stuff into /sys [04:46] nullboy, man, don't remind me....i can't figure out why cpufreq won't work... [04:46] Got it , thanks [04:47] is it true that hibernation doesn't work when you start your slackware at runlevel 3? suspend works flawlessly, the computer did hibernate, but upon restart it's the same [04:48] i've never heard of that before [04:48] that's odd [04:49] jthan (n=jonathan@216-164-31-198.c3-0.smt-ubr2.atw-smt.pa.cable.rcn.com) joined ##slackware. [04:49] well i still can't figure out how to make a stock slackware system use sha256 for shadow instead of md5 [04:52] nullboy, make menuconfig -> 'This is deprecated and this functionality is now merged into acpi_cpufreq (X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ).....64bit enabled Intel Xeons.', zgrep X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ /proc/config.gz -> CONFIG_X86_ACPI_CPUFREQ=y, ls: cannot access /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/: No such file or directory [04:52] if anyone can explain that i would be happy... [04:53] hmm [04:53] looks broken [04:54] yea...i know..and i know my CPU supports it because i had it working before... [04:54] is there any HOWDO on how to use cpufrequtils ? [04:55] chopp (n=chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [04:56] pip: the man pages for the toolset are pretty clear [04:57] this is not to be a prick but you can do this to find out what an installed package gave you: grep cpufrequtils /var/log/packages/* [04:58] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [04:58] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [04:59] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:00] or just: less /var/log/packages/cpufrequt* [05:02] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [05:03] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:03] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [05:03] rinovan (n=warnet@125.164.234.162) joined ##slackware. [05:03] SiegeX (n=SiegeX@unaffiliated/siegex) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:04] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [05:05] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:05] SiegeX6 (n=SiegeX6@ipv6.slackbox.com) joined ##slackware. [05:07] well, i guess i'll need to edit initrd in order to boot from the usb drive [05:10] Action: Old_Fogie starts building a snowman in ##slackware [05:11] srsly guys [05:11] ? [05:11] is it even possible to use something other than plain or md5 for shadow in slackware? [05:11] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:12] idk, i would think it could, cuz you can change some of the encrypt schemes for other file in /etc/ for mail servers and such. [05:12] use the src luke [05:12] i have been looking at everything [05:13] login.defs won't accept ENCRYPT_METHOD SHA25 and slackware doesn't even have a /etc/default/passwd [05:14] the shadow suite doesn't shed much light either [05:14] Nick change: SiegeX6 -> SiegeX [05:14] nullboy, yeah it's a truly valid questin for sure [05:15] oh yeah but PAM makes it easy [05:15] haha [05:15] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [05:15] but that doesn't count, i want to do this on a stock system [05:15] you know given the whole md5 thing, that even affects packets transferred no? that could be a real mess [05:15] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-198-51.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:16] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-195-97.in-addr.btopenworld.com) joined ##slackware. [05:16] nullboy, oh for sure, if I could change it on stock system I would too, why not, it's a small file even an old box will do a small file like that in no time [05:16] i'm not ready to freak out about it yet but it doesn't seem good [05:17] nullboy, same here, but since that korean housewife hacker last year, the writing's been on the wall [05:17] or chinese I cant remember [05:17] yep [05:17] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: [05:17] its' just a matter of when [05:17] not 'if' anymore [05:17] I belive gpg is sha1 tho [05:18] that too as well, writing on the wall [05:18] gspca is insane :) [05:18] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [05:18] mohaa, does it work? I have one of them didn't try it yet [05:19] Old_Fogie, YES and NO [05:19] oh. are you using the one in the kernel? or from their site [05:19] Old_Fogie, the one in kernel is total crap ! [05:19] FriedBob_ (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) joined ##slackware. [05:19] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host92-237-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [05:19] that's what I read [05:19] mohaa, did you try alienbob's package? [05:20] Old_Fogie, the one in kernel only works on boobuntu (not even gentoo) [05:20] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/ChangeLog.txt [05:20] see he's got gspcav1 there [05:20] I was gonna try that too [05:20] pr0f1ko (n=pr0f1ko@93-136-93-141.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [05:21] Old_Fogie, I use bob's slackbuild for kernel 2.6.26 series [05:21] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/gspcav1/ [05:21] Old_Fogie, it will not compile on recent kernels [05:21] yea they work really well [05:21] and that's where insanity lays [05:22] umm [05:22] I havent tried yet [05:22] 2.6.28 has gspca stuff included now if that's what you mean by recent [05:22] either you use a kernel prior to 2.6.27 series or gspca will make you waste your time [05:22] nullboy, I think what he means is the gspca in the kernel isn't working well (as I've read numerous other places) so many people are wanting to use from the developers site in lieu of in the kernel [05:23] mohaa, can you rebuild the kernel 2.6.28 without the gspca and then build from the dev's site? [05:23] nullboy, it's included from 2.6.27 and it does _not_ work for a majority of hardware [05:23] The cpufreq-utils got messed up. It keeps on the maximal freq, how to fix it ? [05:23] mohaa: 2.6.28 had lots of things fixed [05:24] Old_Fogie, that's what I am doing right now [05:24] pr0f1ko (n=pr0f1ko@93-136-93-141.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: Client Quit [05:24] pip: change the governor [05:24] nullboy, not gspca !!! [05:24] did you try 2.6.28 yet? [05:24] nullboy, How to ? [05:24] Old_Fogie, i rebuild the kernel without gspca to try bob's SB ;) [05:24] and i report [05:24] mmm pizza [05:24] mohaa, ah ok cool [05:25] nullboy, I am running 2.6.28 [05:25] problem is that devices are created [05:25] there actually were a lot of things touch in 2.6.28 regarding gspca but that sure doesn't mean it all was fixed http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.28 [05:25] gspca as in mobile broadband [05:25] but can not be used :/ [05:26] ? [05:26] yea I gotta get gspca working, else I cant dance in my underrooz on the interwebs [05:26] dont want dissatisfied customers you know [05:26] ohh no. i just got a visual [05:26] heh [05:27] hahaha ! :) [05:27] nullboy, actuall _he_ is adding more support (?) but in reality it's totally weird [05:27] mrselfpwn: think ear and nose hair [05:27] yeah [05:27] and tightie whites [05:27] they are weird devices [05:27] spook, s/think ear and nose hair/think ear and nose hair down to the toes :) [05:27] and coffee stained tighty whities [05:28] haha [05:28] lol [05:28] we'll hope it's coffee [05:28] you have to open two serial ports to the usb modem, and do some funky stuff with ppp [05:29] now, would these techniques apply to a magicjack spook? [05:29] also like interpret control commands etc [05:31] "asm/semaphore.h" <<< doom [05:31] concurrent programming is such a bitch [05:31] Old_Fogie, :P misery misery [05:32] monitors are good, semaphores are pure evil [05:32] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.233.7) joined ##slackware. [05:32] mohaa, no huh? even with alienbob's stuff? [05:32] "asm/semaphore.h" should have been fixed with patch [05:32] cause it was removed i think [05:32] did the patch work? did you run it with --verbose option? [05:33] so now i have a solid reason for basic PAM on slackware... sha512 shadow passwords [05:33] muahahaha [05:33] How to select a governor ? [05:33] nullboy, a real man would encrypt the whole system with tiger, then a sha512 afterwords [05:33] pip: you dont, you rig the election [05:34] Old_Fogie: i used twofish for my disks! [05:34] twofish is what a gpl of bluefish? [05:34] Old_Fogie, http://rafb.net/p/DGgv1x48.html [05:34] it's the successor to blowfish [05:34] a real man would install linux on a shadow partition, and have it boot os/2 unless you know the secret [05:34] theres also aes-xts nowadays [05:34] yea that's the one, it's supposed to be good nullboy [05:35] spook, I have set it with cpufreq-set -g ondemand, but it still at the maximal [05:35] but they said mohave is good to [05:35] pip: read the manpages they will help you: cpufreq-set -g GOVERNORHERE [05:35] FriedBob (n=friedbob@unaffiliated/friedbob) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:35] pip, http://wiki.zwhlug.org/Cpufreq-selector [05:35] pip: does cpufreq-info show userspace as an option? [05:35] mohaa, wow that is ugly [05:35] devnix (n=devnix@host-58-65-245-10.isat.net.id) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:36] Old_Fogie, oh :p [05:36] i know [05:36] nullboy, Yes, it says [05:36] Should I load it ? [05:36] yes [05:36] is it best to build those as modules? [05:36] mohaa, no I mean edit the slackbuild so for the patch it has verbose, oh wait, that's alienbob's right...he should log it somewhere in /tmp iirc [05:36] It's still on maximal [05:36] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-144-202.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [05:36] Old_Fogie, I think I will go back to 2.6.26 series [05:37] pip: what does cpufreq-info saw for the current governor now? [05:37] mohaa, something like "patch --verbose -p0 < somefile.patch" <-- add in the --verbose there Imeant [05:37] It's not a technically using problem, it's an exception [05:37] ? [05:37] what the hell does that mean? [05:38] pip, did you load the your hardware cpufreq driver ? [05:38] I mean I have done everything I could, but it's still weird working [05:38] Yes [05:38] everything I could [05:38] pip: what does cpufreq-info show you for the cpufreq stats line [05:38] How to kill cpufreq [05:38] current CPU frequency is 1.73 GHz (asserted by call to hardware). [05:38] the stats line.... [05:38] It's the maximal freq [05:39] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: [05:39] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [05:40] pip: show us the output of lsmod and cpufreq-info in a pastebin [05:40] Roger, wait please [05:40] pip, also cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_min_freq [05:40] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [05:41] and just have a look around in that directory as well, to get an idea of what's going on [05:42] Old_Fogie, never mind. 2.6.26.8 will do it. gspca in kernel is the regression of 2008 [05:42] i've found the same thing [05:42] mohaa, not sure I follow you. you can build the slackbuild from alienbob on 2.6.26.8 kernels? if so with or without the kernels gspca on the system? [05:43] its also the option module [05:43] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) left ##slackware. [05:43] nullboy, http://pastebin.ca/1297028 [05:44] pip: cpufreq-set -f 800 [05:44] then cpufreq-info [05:44] works now [05:44] read the manpages next time [05:45] It's not working that well as I expected [05:45] nullboy, But the way, can I set it as a working daemon ? [05:45] sure [05:45] Conflict_80 (i=500@166-215.97-97.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [05:46] man ? [05:46] but i use the conservative governor on my laptop [05:46] I see [05:46] i just set it in rc.local [05:46] ondemand is ok too [05:47] mine run full tilt, i need all the megaflops [05:47] nullboy, how much ram does your slackware take on console mode without X [05:47] i dunno [05:47] i have 2GB of ram so i hardly ever worry about that [05:47] Old_Fogie, Bob's SB is 100% sure on 2.6.26 kernel series (experimented by myself) [05:48] i have 4gb of ram so i hardly ever worry about torrent clients using 1.3GB [05:48] I have 2G of RAM but I still worry about it [05:48] Old_Fogie, these series of kernel did _not_ include gspca support [05:48] Does it have anything to do with the performance ? [05:48] this is with kde and a VM running that has 800MB of ram allocated to it Mem: 2025 1843 181 [05:48] mohaa, ah so it wont build on 12.2 at all then as that has 2.6.27 then? [05:49] your machine will use the ram, it wont just leave it unused. [05:49] hey [05:49] have you had a look at TwinReverbs cpufreq script? [05:49] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/rc.cpufreq [05:49] true measure is if its eating into swap, thats how you know you might have issues [05:50] Old_Fogie, last experiments made on slackware 12.1 [05:50] mohaa, ah ok [05:50] thus [05:50] the problem remains [05:50] yup [05:51] i'm only catching glimpses of the conversation though [05:51] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~twinreverb/rc.cpufreq [05:51] welp, i gtg blow some snow (watch it pervs :) [05:51] see you guys / gals soon [05:51] heh [05:51] :D [05:51] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [05:51] later [05:53] andrew_46 (n=URR_ICU@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) joined ##slackware. [05:54] andrew_46 (n=URR_ICU@unaffiliated/andrew46/x-040147) left ##slackware. [05:55] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [05:55] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [05:56] schenkel (n=schenkel@189.72.20.154) joined ##slackware. [05:58] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejf26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [05:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejf26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:59] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. [06:00] man i cant wait till i start work :-/ [06:00] this college work is dead boring [06:03] does not pay well at all [06:03] i will probably in tech support firstly but at least its not making powerpoint presentations and advanced spreadsheets [06:03] be in* [06:04] i got one semester, then i'm probably going to get a job and pay off those loans, and then try and go for the MS [06:05] defense contractors are hiring a lot, but not so much for the fun companies like amd... [06:05] Action: edman007 checks intel [06:05] edman007: what do you wanna work as ? [06:06] i want to design chips, stuff on high end consumer products would be the best (i'm EE major) [06:06] but i think right now defense is the only ones with crazy money [06:07] nice [06:08] that is my line of work [06:09] defense contractor [06:09] mrselfpwn, ohh...where? [06:09] around here i have lockheed and electric boat [06:09] mostly military bases [06:09] =O nice [06:10] and the fact that they all require US citizenship makes it that much easier [06:10] we partner with Northrup Gruman on some jobs [06:10] Action: edman007 wonders if they have places near me [06:11] they are competitors with lockheed lol [06:11] ideally i want to work as network admin or sysadmin in the future :] [06:11] i do intrusion detection systems [06:11] physical security [06:12] though it's all network integrated so ... [06:12] mrselfpwn, nice [06:13] it's nice [06:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:13] i like the traveling aspect of it [06:13] hmm...northrup has a place in groton...i didn't know they do subs too [06:13] yes [06:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:14] where are you at edman007? [06:15] conn? [06:15] yea [06:15] i see [06:15] western CT right now [06:15] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [06:15] greetings [06:16] hi [06:16] i gotcha edman [06:16] slackytude, hello [06:16] y0 edman007, mrselfpwn [06:16] mrselfpwn, nice nick [06:17] thanks ;) [06:17] as is yours [06:18] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [06:19] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) joined ##slackware. [06:20] what line of work are you in now edman007? [06:20] php coding :( [06:20] Action: edman007 still in college [06:21] i see [06:21] i would like to have more coding skills [06:21] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [06:21] funny though...i have 5+ years experience in php..and i get a lot of job offers for Sr PHP stuff [06:21] well not offers...but those recruiter guys and stuff [06:21] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [06:21] yeah [06:22] but EE pays better :) [06:22] and i like FPGAs [06:22] Hello, does slackware have a tool to easily set which daemon to start at boottime ? [06:22] chmod [06:22] eh, php coding [06:22] I mean if I don't have to edit the rc.M file or something manuall [06:22] slackytude, scripting [06:22] happy? [06:23] edman007, php is nice to a degree [06:23] although I like php 5 [06:23] when do you need it to start Pip? [06:23] what type daemon [06:23] Pip, the ones that are configurable have their own rc.* script, if its executable it runs, if not it does not run [06:24] if you want something else to start, well you got to write the script or put it in rc.local [06:24] edman007: How to make it not executed at startup ? [06:24] chmod -x [06:24] mrselfpwn: I need it to start when I need [06:24] I'm trying to set up compiz on slackware 12.2 / DE - XFCE, but upon compiz --replace I don't get any window borders, VGA - GeForce 6150, xorg.conf - http://pastebin.ca/1297041 [06:24] generally chmod -x on the file for whatever you don't want to run [06:24] you could use pkgtool for that, to a degree [06:24] To me ? [06:24] esters, you need to run a window decorator, like kde-window-decorator [06:25] pkgtool -> Setup -> services [06:25] Roger [06:25] but, really, just doing a chmod is probably easier and works everytime [06:25] edman007: I do, but it doesn't work [06:26] gtk-window-decorator - http://pastebin.ca/1297042 [06:26] aBiNg (n=aBiNg@218.94.136.179) left irc: "leaving" [06:26] damn thats a confusing message... [06:26] have you tried the kde decorator? [06:26] No [06:27] I'm using GTK :) [06:27] have you tryed having compiz set to start with the built in xfce autostart menu? [06:27] esters, well try it, it does not use cairo and such [06:27] which program is used to selecct/deselect system daemon to run [06:27] Pip, read, we answered [06:27] mrselfpwn: No :< [06:28] okay [06:28] menu>settings> Autostarted Applications [06:28] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:28] mrselfpwn: Nothing there, except xfce4-tips and HP System Tray Service [06:28] another queston, how to make a complete remove package by say slackpkg remove or other tool [06:29] removepkg NAME [06:29] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [06:29] Including configration files ? [06:29] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [06:29] not sure esters [06:29] everything thats part of the package is taken away. stuff you added manually later, stays [06:30] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [06:30] Okay, thanks [06:31] i have many options in mine esters [06:31] and the pkgtools way is of course, pkgtool -> Remove [06:31] desktop settings, display settings, keyboard settings, etc etc. [06:31] slackytude: How to know which package contains a specific file ? [06:32] A given file [06:32] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:32] mrselfpwn: Oh :) [06:33] grep FILE /var/log/packages [06:33] grep FILE /var/log/packages/* [06:33] Okay [06:33] This way is cool : ) [06:33] Pip, there is also http://packages.slackware.it/ [06:34] i take it you found it esters [06:34] mrselfpwn: I'm googling [06:34] ok [06:35] i had it working flawlessly in xfce [06:35] On a nVidia VGA ? [06:36] Pip, there is also slackpkg search file [06:36] yes esters [06:36] 8800 [06:36] esters, whats the problem? [06:37] slackytude: I start compiz and what I get is no borders and grey background [06:37] Window borders that is [06:37] esters, no decorator? [06:37] slackytude: yes [06:38] esters, get fusion-icon and use it to set different combinations of window managers and decorators [06:38] this is his xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1297041 [06:38] until one works [06:38] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "leaving" [06:39] I don't want compiz-fusion [06:39] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [06:39] ??? [06:39] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [06:40] what are you trying to do? [06:40] What have I missed gentlemen ? [06:40] I want the plain old compiz without any extra plugins aka compiz-fusion [06:41] i think you can add it to your xorg.conf if i'm not mistaken [06:41] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.45.7) left irc: "Leaving" [06:41] or your .xinitrc [06:41] brb [06:41] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) left irc: "leaving" [06:42] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) joined ##slackware. [06:43] if you put it in .xinitrc, it has to load before xfce [06:43] if memory serves me [06:43] Mhm [06:45] jerryt (n=jerryt@CPE0010b575cbc0-CM00080d663683.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [06:46] heh, me mother loves the slack [06:46] "its so stable, I really love it" :D [06:46] heh stable all night long? :) [06:47] heh, basically [06:47] Where to get the skeleton of .xinitrc ? [06:47] lol [06:48] what's funny ? [06:48] pip, what do you mean by that? [06:48] I mean a sample file of .xinitrc ? [06:48] I can't find it in /etc/skel [06:49] cd /etc/X11/xinit [06:49] locate xinit [06:49] Then I have got it [06:49] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [06:49] copy it into ~/ ? [06:50] just use xwmconfig [06:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [06:50] then edit your ~/.xinitrc [06:51] : ) [06:52] I hardly ever needed to edit my xinitrc [06:52] only if I wanted to do something freaky [06:52] I want eye candy :( [06:53] use compiz-fusion :D [06:53] yes [06:53] esters, what does eye candy look like ? [06:53] pip: nice [06:53] pip, never seen the cube? [06:53] Nick change: SiegeX -> SiegeX6 [06:53] Girls like eye candy [06:53] slackytude: Why ? [06:53] Okay, I see [06:53] esters, because it works [06:53] Sure, but my computer doesn't like it too much [06:54] slackytude: Ok, last resort - LQ :) [06:54] esters, O_o [06:54] Nick change: SiegeX6 -> SiegeX [06:54] esters, its on SBo [06:54] slackytude: I know [06:54] you know that compiz is old? [06:54] No [06:54] 0.7.8 came out in 18.12 [06:55] No 18.10 [06:55] And Slackware has it [06:55] but, compiz-fusion is the merging of compiz and beryl. any stuff will go in there, now [06:55] afaik [06:55] No [06:55] compiz-fusion is just compiz + extra plugins [06:56] always thought it was compiz + beryl too [06:56] compiz is the CORE of compiz-fusion [06:57] "Compiz Fusion is the result of a merge between the old Compiz community plugin set "Compiz Extras" and the parts of the Beryl project that are independent of the window manager core." [06:57] says almighty wikipedia [06:58] SiegeX, it started with compiz, some people though the devs were too anal, so beryl was started, it went on for a while, and beryl determined that the compiz people were right and beryl was uber buggy, so they made friends again and became compiz-fusion [06:58] Love is in the air [06:58] Anyway I'm gonna strip off a dead 7600GS [06:58] with compiz-fusion being compiz with the beryl plugins [06:59] and #freenode-newyears is busy... [06:59] And KDE4.2 has all the compiz stuff and eye candy built right in... no need to mess with the configuration yourself, KDE will automatically enable it once it determines that your hardware supports it [06:59] sounds like your typical relationship [06:59] neato [06:59] I still dont understand why you would do the hassle of trying to setup compiz alone, when compiz-fusion is basically the same but very well supported on your OS [07:00] slackytude: principle [07:00] ah [07:00] And choice [07:01] And I want to celebrate new years eve :) [07:02] alienBOB, I wish they would upgrade the KDE on our lab machines. Its still on some early version and doesnt look/behave that well [07:03] and I find the menu to be confusing as hell [07:03] slackytude: I hope to see some KDE4.2beta2 packages for Slackware -current soon. I use it at home but with self-built packages [07:04] slackytude: the menu is different yes, but you can configure it to show "old-skool" if you want [07:04] I like the new style actually [07:04] Action: slackytude shrugs [07:04] Anyone tried Windows 7 here ? :> [07:04] I will when it is released [07:05] i'm not looking forward to it... [07:05] just an opinion. not saying is bad, but I like old-skool way more. On the other hand, I switched to xfce and like it more than kde anyway, so my opinion doesnt carry much weight anyway [07:05] I can say that no wonder Windows ME code version was NT 6.0 :) [07:05] edman007, stable vista would be good [07:05] slackytude: freedom of choice! [07:05] alienBOB, it does look good tho [07:06] i would be happy if all my eng apps ran on linux (some do...most dont) [07:06] So does the latest XFCE... I prefered that over KDE 3.5.10 [07:06] my work day would be oh so much better if win7 (aka vista sp2) would be stable [07:06] marcus_ (n=Marcus@d83-189-48-58.cust.tele2.de) left ##slackware ("Verlassend"). [07:06] alienBOB, latest beta or stable? [07:07] slackytude: the stable version of Slackware 12.2 [07:07] I have no idea if the development version looks even better :-) [07:07] hmm seems my machine mysteriously started to work again.. booted right up no problems with X.. The batteries on the cordless mouse were dead.. I don't supose there is any way in hell dead batteries could cause X not to start? [07:07] well, to tell the truth I didnt find much difference in xfce between 12.1 and 12.2 [07:07] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:08] Oh noes, a naked GeForce [07:10] Anyone know how I can get a printer to broadcast to other machines running cups that it's shared so I don't have to manually enter it on every machine? [07:10] naked? [07:10] where? [07:10] Wescotte, read the samba docs [07:10] :o! [07:11] acidchi1d: on my desk [07:11] ah wait.. nevermind I think I finally got it working.. had to change the listen from localhost:631 to just 631 [07:11] you can go from toronto to nyc for 24$ return [07:11] slackytude: not using samba at all :) [07:11] thats fucking awesome and its a 10hour coach ride.. [07:11] Wescotte, ah, ok [07:11] Wescotte, just *nix machines? [07:11] 10hour coach ride WITH wifi [07:11] xD! [07:12] 10hours in a coach doesnt sound awesome to me [07:12] slackytude: yup [07:12] for 24$ though [07:12] yeah, its cheap. need to buy new set of legs, tho [07:13] i'm not 50 [07:13] =P [07:13] heh [07:13] not yet [07:13] Wescotte, nice ^-^ [07:13] this sucks, for some reason my desktop doesn't hve ssh listening on the vpn interface [07:13] i can ping it and shit =| [07:14] I setup a nice reverse ssh tunnel to work recently ^-^ [07:14] so I can use the server to compile stuff for me [07:14] VPN > * [07:15] acidchi1d, maybe but I would need to open a port then, no? [07:15] on your server. :-) [07:15] not on your client machine. [07:15] on the router [07:15] your server is behind a router O.O [07:15] ? [07:15] yeah, its a cheap windows house [07:15] win2003 server behind some netgear crap [07:16] yay im logged in to my desktop in canada =] [07:16] gawds I hate netgear [07:16] that wasn't really very hard [07:16] slackytude: i like netgear. [07:16] O_o [07:16] how come? they produce crap [07:16] i have a GSM7324 [07:16] my server is running DVL [07:16] antoni (n=antoni@212.pool85-53-25.dynamic.orange.es) joined ##slackware. [07:16] at least they did for a long while [07:17] joking btw [07:17] slackytude: http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h512.htm [07:17] are there command-line battery monitors? [07:17] ah, ok. so, lets reprahse and say netgears consumer products are crap [07:17] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: "Leaving" [07:17] jerryt: catting /proc? [07:17] :] [07:17] heh [07:18] jerryt, laptop battery? hundreds [07:18] cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/ [07:18] cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/* [07:18] I like conky. gkrellm is nice too [07:18] slackytude: they cost 2000$ a peice [07:18] so dont dis netgear becaue your crap [07:18] cheap* =P [07:18] acidchi1d, for that price they better damn well be good [07:18] gigabit layer3's [07:18] they work great =) [07:19] acidchi1d, heh, we got only the cheap crap [07:19] on the aa1, it's BAT1 [07:19] they support OSPF too [07:19] and it is crap [07:19] jerryt: w/e :-P [07:19] slackytude: i run redundant RIP links to the other switchs [07:19] each 'block' can push 4gbps [07:19] :) [07:19] acidchi1d, clearly you play in another league than me ^-^ [07:20] lol [07:20] Ive setup nagios to ping the routers so I can go out and reboot them befor anyone complains [07:20] I run OLPF because im oldschool and want my network to know whos boss [07:20] like every 14 days or so [07:21] SiegeX: nice :-P [07:21] SiegeX: know anywhere cheap to buy plastic cored fiber optics? [07:21] in usa/canada [07:21] ya, i do actually [07:21] weirdstuff.com [07:21] link me up pleae :-) [07:21] they buy up all the crap in silicon valley [07:22] okey i don't trust that link =P [07:22] ive been to their store [07:22] ah cool [07:22] they are legit [07:22] thanks dewd. [07:22] dunno if they sell the cables online though [07:22] i wana run fiber to my apartment. [07:22] i need about 200ft [07:23] http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/12053 [07:23] close [07:23] Jork (n=uros@BSN-142-146-66.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) joined ##slackware. [07:23] hello [07:23] silence! [07:23] I keeeel you. [07:24] how about the card slots on an aa1? [07:24] hello jork [07:24] I am new in linux and I like to install latest Slack. [07:24] :) [07:24] Could enyone help with that? [07:24] ah i just got my ipod touch back [07:24] nice one :-P [07:24] needs the wifi fiing. [07:24] Jork, slackbook.org [07:24] Jork, please be more specific with what you need help with. [07:25] I need halp with parittitoning [07:25] there's a guide in slackbook/ on the iso/dvd [07:26] the slackbook is good shit [07:26] =P [07:26] lol [07:26] thx guys [07:26] I'll Check slackbook [07:26] Jork, good newbie [07:26] SiegeX: http://www.netgear.co.uk/managed_layer3_switch_gsm7324.php [07:27] Action: slackytude pats Jork on the head [07:27] SiegeX: what type of FX connectors are they? [07:27] slackytude: your a noob. [07:27] acidchi1d, :P [07:27] =) [07:27] keep on the long path and you one day wont be =P [07:28] acidchi1d, I'll keep on slacking, no worries [07:28] [07:28] I noticed that you are not exactly the most friendly to newcomers here. but nevertheless thanks for the information. [07:28] Jork: you just can't take a joke ;) [07:29] ##slackware is an awesome community [07:29] I hopr [07:29] hope* [07:29] your problem is you expect things from us. [07:29] we're not on ##slackware's payroll or anything =) [07:29] I know [07:29] hang around, idle, chill out... have a chat, talk about your girlfriends BO or w/e [07:29] and get to know us :-P [07:30] but a litle frendlyness Wouldn,'t kill you :D [07:30] we would actually expect you to read slackbook first but hey [07:30] who's keeping tabs [07:30] ha! who knows= maybe it wouldt [07:30] Jork (n=uros@BSN-142-146-66.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [07:30] Action: acidchi1d is a very very very friendly person =) [07:30] too dangerous to try, tho [07:30] aahh yet another socialy retarded geek [07:30] =P [07:30] bughunter2 (n=Jelle@77.164.66.126) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:30] lol [07:30] hmm, do you guys have /mnt? [07:30] when did that disappear [07:31] SiegeX: yah i have /mnt but maybe we're using /media now? [07:31] =P [07:31] yeah mount was a broken link when i installed [07:31] yeah, comes in asking about partitioning is just asking for trouble [07:31] er, /mnt [07:31] hmm, POSIX calls for /mnt, its also in the slackbook [07:31] I cutted my finger with a heatsink :( [07:32] on what? a ps2? [07:32] lol [07:32] SiegeX: thank you for the link btw :-) [07:32] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:32] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) joined ##slackware. [07:32] shyko (n=chatzill@200.208.222.148) joined ##slackware. [07:32] np, they get new stuff in all the time. heh esp with the shitty economy we have now, everybody selling their gear [07:33] http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/20143 [07:33] Per4mer Turbo Wheel for the Super NES gaming system [07:33] HAhahah awesome <3 [07:33] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:34] gm152: enjoying the weather? :-P [07:34] -36c in sudbury today i believe =P [07:36] reminds me of a mate of mine who was studying with me for some time [07:37] he dropped out last semester, got a ok-job with lufthansa [07:37] :-) [07:38] now they send him to somewhere in siberia to do a rollout for them [07:38] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [07:38] acidchi1d: Grrrr, the weather sucks. [07:38] friggin cold, this time of the year, I gather [07:38] 0c here :) [07:39] the only thing id be rolling out in siberia is some sticky icky [07:39] acidchi1d: I was really liking the scene when the snow melted. [07:39] -1C here [07:39] -1C here, too [07:39] whats 1c lol [07:39] hheh [07:39] gm152: i'm in england [07:40] and there was like 2mm of snow here LOL [07:40] -1 C [07:40] back to Toronto tomorrow =( we'll see... [07:40] acidchi1d: london here, no snow at all :]] [07:40] You have returned there to live? [07:40] lw0x15_: oh dude its pathetic quanity :-P [07:40] lol [07:40] gm152: no, just holiday. i fly back to toronto tomorrow. [07:41] acidchi1d: wait, you are on holiday in england? [07:41] yep [07:42] root__ (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Ahh. I might be in Toronto tonight but from seeing the weather reports, spending large amount of time outdoors isn't a good idea. [07:42] only -8 [07:42] knock on my door! [07:42] ash dot 7a69.co.uk [07:42] email me or msn, ever been to the linux caffe? [07:43] lw0x15_, be careful! [07:43] slackytude: not lw0x15_, gm152 [07:44] Thanks. [07:44] duh [07:44] lol [07:44] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:44] Oh noes New Year in Sydney only after 20min [07:44] oh no [07:45] Were doomed :( [07:46] It has already happened in New Zealand. [07:46] Even better [07:47] esters, nybot says 16+ hours for me :( [07:47] I have 8h [07:47] and its starting to snow... [07:47] Action: edman007 is suppose to get some snow today [07:48] 10 hours [07:48] almost time to party [07:48] I live in teh future :P slackytude [07:49] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejf26.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:49] they'll add a leap second, too [07:49] this year [07:50] shyko (n=chatzill@200.208.222.148) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008120416]" [07:51] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. [07:51] do you guys run swap on more than 512 ram? [07:52] MadneX (n=nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [07:52] my swap is like a gig [07:52] with how much ram? [07:52] no swap, 8gb ram [07:53] heh [07:53] on my old machine with 640mb ram i no use swap [07:54] 2 gig swap for me [07:54] i have 4 gigs of ram [07:54] erm [07:54] i have 2 gigs ram [07:54] so i matched it [07:55] i got 2gbs ram [07:55] laptop? [07:55] desktop all the way [07:55] i hate laptops infact :D [07:55] desktop [07:55] dont like them [07:55] Action: slackytude only got his trusty little T42 [07:56] schenkel (n=schenkel@189.72.20.154) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:56] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:57] man wesnoth takes too long to compile [07:57] habtool (i=clive@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [07:58] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Karlitoo (n=Karlitoo@213.137.110.67) left irc: "Leaving" [07:59] mrselfpwn: My X started working again.. I didn't do anything to the machine.. The only thing I did notice was the batteries were dead on the wireless mouse. That would be pretty damn funny if that caused X to just quit working. [07:59] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Client Quit [08:00] lol, funny it would [08:00] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [08:01] I've had the batteries die before but I was always in X when it happened so I just swapped them out.. The only difference this time is I wasn't in X.. Maybe the receiver was doing something funny like scanning for a mouse and since it never found one just got stuck in some loop.. Only thing I can think of.. [08:02] OR... there is some hardware on the brink of failure on the machine.. [08:02] MadneX (n=nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Shika-ba-ku-ta Brrrr Chika ba-kum-ta" [08:04] antoni (n=antoni@212.pool85-53-25.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: No route to host [08:04] Or wetware errors. [08:04] ;) [08:05] FriedBob_: oi oi oi [08:05] Heya acidchi1d. Sup? [08:05] Nick change: FriedBob_ -> FriedBob [08:05] eating a 4 slice becon sandwich [08:05] =P [08:06] Wescotte, it could be that since it doesn't find a mouse it reports back "no mouse" as that would make X throw a fit.. [08:06] becon? Is that like vegan bacon substitute or something? [08:06] lol no [08:07] plee: think it's possible it'd just sit there? my monitor would produce a "no signal" message and I couldn;t even kill it with a ctrl+alt+backspace.. [08:07] A shame, that acually sounds a lot better than soem fried pig slices. (I eat a kosher diet) [08:07] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:07] Nick change: fuzzix_ -> fuzzix [08:07] Wescotte, could be. :) [08:07] Anywho, BRB need to take as hower and get ready for work [08:08] FriedBob: ah =P [08:08] i do indeed like teh fried pig slices [08:08] ;) [08:09] mohaa (n=moha@ip-118.net-80-236-11.asnieres.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:10] heh I guess.. Still find it hard to believe X wouldn't gracefully terminate if it didn't find a mouse [08:10] foldings1ock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [08:10] Wescotte, i don't know. It did that to me and it was because of a problem in xorg.conf [08:11] when using generic vesa driver [08:11] Wescotte, try it, take the batts out [08:11] no more guessing [08:11] panda (n=cerami@host67-212-static.41-85-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [08:11] kama (n=kama@host3-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:12] yeah, do that [08:12] trying now.. [08:13] http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=62017 [08:13] omfg! [08:14] lw0x15_ (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] cheap [08:14] 95 of them! [08:14] omfg i'm buying two =P [08:14] 2 - 4 $ 189.95 [08:14] scubacuda (n=chatzill@22.sub-75-214-4.myvzw.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:14] hmm that seems like a mistake [08:15] did it boot? [08:15] yup it booted [08:15] there you are then [08:16] did you change anything in xorg.conf ? [08:16] I was refering to acidchilds link.. that price is a mistake I bet [08:16] mrselfpwn: nope [08:16] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) joined ##slackware. [08:16] what driver do you use? [08:17] for video? ati [08:17] it's an old card.. The original radeon chipset [08:18] radeon should be better than, imho [08:18] did you run xorgconfig to create xorg.conf? [08:19] err I'm actually using driver "radeon" yeah sorry [08:19] I used xorgsetup to generate the xorg.conf I beleive [08:20] I dunno when I generated it.. could have been slack12 or 12.1 that did it.. It's old [08:20] can't remember when I put slack originally on this machine.. [08:20] maybe try to back it up and generate another one [08:21] hmm diff says it's the same [08:21] do you have only x.org as the one letter domain name? [08:21] good grief, are all sony vaios as bad as this one? [08:22] i'm not a sony fan [08:22] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:22] mrselfpwn: I'm just going to ignore the problem. It's my parents machine.. It's working now.. If it dies again it's prolly just faulty hardware. It's a fairly old machine too [08:22] http://www.weirdstuff.com/cgi-bin/item/62013 [08:22] ignoring problems is good [08:22] ok, your call [08:22] dude this site has LOADS of rack mounted equipment. [08:22] Action: ktabic neither, just trying to sort this one is rapidly moving into hatred area [08:23] a 2 yo laptop that can't boot from usb? wtf? [08:23] I can't seem to reproduce the problem now anyway :) [08:23] acidchi1d, cheap [08:23] slackytude: seriously dude [08:23] i'm building a cluster :-P [08:23] i have the rack cases already xD [08:24] heh [08:24] acidchi1d: what are you gonna do with it? [08:24] watermark all his porn [08:24] hahahaha [08:24] =P [08:24] that should take a while [08:24] lol [08:24] Wescotte: simple, what he does every night .. trying to take over the world. [08:24] :-) [08:24] hehe [08:24] heh [08:25] Wescotte: well one is going to be a new leaf on my IRC network =) [08:25] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) left irc: [08:25] it'd prolly be faster to watermark all the porn that isn't yours [08:25] lol [08:25] BP{k}: skynet!? [08:25] warezzzzz [08:25] Wescotte: nah, skynet is to old ;) [08:25] make some spoofed root certificates :D [08:26] Action: acidchi1d has a API to make offical SSL certs now =D [08:26] acidchi1d, CA certs? [08:26] hehe yep [08:26] Wescotte: who would want 30+ year old satelite networks [08:26] BP{k}: Isreal? :P [08:27] Action: mrselfpwn wants that api. [08:27] acidchi1d: UK actually :P [08:27] are we refering to the same skynet? not the TV network but the Terminator AI thingy [08:27] BP{k}: ahaha. [08:27] Wescotte: no. [08:27] mrselfpwn: yah pretty cool, i can [08:27] Wescotte: I was referring to the orgianl Skynet.. a Militairy UK Satelitel network. [08:27] i can't abuse it :-) but i can make a fair few certs for personal use. [08:27] BP{k}: thats why i said israel [08:27] i'm sure they'd love access [08:27] =P [08:27] BP{k}: ah didn't know there was one [08:28] can it shoot lasers fro orbit? [08:28] acidchi1d: yeah, then again, probably the mossad already had. [08:28] where do you get it acidchild? [08:28] qartis_ (n=qartis@218.109.150.205) joined ##slackware. [08:28] slackytude: how do you think they did the opening to the olimpics. [08:29] alot of alians died that night :-( [08:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:29] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) joined ##slackware. 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[08:38] Action: Old_Fogie bangs the snow off the boots as he stumbles into ##slackware [08:38] greetings [08:38] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [08:38] Action: slackytude gives Old_Fogie some hot spiced wine [08:39] mmmm, yummy :) [08:39] this globabl warming is killing me over here [08:39] 6' of snow already [08:39] in just this month [08:40] http://sub.fm/listenflash128k.php [08:40] yo this set is phat! [08:40] :D [08:40] Old_Fogie: You're probably not global! [08:40] spook (n=spook@202-89-167-144.static.dsl.amnet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:40] :D [08:42] that aside, am I sensing some distrust towards the science of global warming or not? ;) [08:43] Me no never, I mean if it's hot it's global warming, and getting snow too, yeah thats global warming too, cuz the opposite of hot is cold of course; so yea its' all good :) [08:44] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [08:44] ;) [08:44] global warming implies shifting of weather cycles and new routes for water/air streams [08:44] And if Al Gorelioni says so , well then it must be :) [08:45] Nick change: Aldaron_ -> Aldaron [08:45] some areas could very well get colder by a genereal increase in global temp [08:45] Nick change: mrselfpwn -> Al2 [08:45] sure yup global warming. [08:45] Nick change: Al2 -> mrselfpwn [08:46] That aside, weather has quite significant random variability, so no local phenomenon and no global phenomenon of less than a couple of years can be accepted as a sign of global warming [08:47] add to that we had no way of measuring shit since the very late 1900's :) [08:47] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:48] yeah, well, we did have bad ways, based on which we can guess. And we still have glacier ice cores, but of course that only gives estimates.. [08:48] yes indeed [08:48] both true statements [08:48] same people that told us carbon dating worked *cough* :D [08:48] Anyways, it's statistically probable now that warming is indeed happening ;) [08:49] ! [08:49] Action: slackytude read an interessting article about rising temps on most of the plantes in the solar system [08:49] Carbon dating worked?! What next? Mountains just evolved naturally? ;) [08:50] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) joined ##slackware. [08:50] no but carbon dating is now debunked :( [08:50] correct [08:50] slackytude: that is based on even far far worse data than what we have about the Earth [08:50] carbon dating debunked? When? [08:50] you didnt get the memo? [08:50] :D [08:50] no [08:50] yeah not too long ago in news [08:51] and the orbit around the sun changes slightly every year [08:51] the scientists are now arguing on how to find a factor for the flaw, etc etc [08:51] 'factor' meaning for the calculations and such [08:51] like a 'fudge' factor if you will [08:51] Do you mean it was found "slightly inaccurate", in a way that can be fixed by applying a factor? [08:51] he is right [08:52] way off [08:52] What do you mean by "way off"? 100x more? 10% error? [08:52] the fact that we can't figure out rate of decay of an element shows me we have a lot to learn (global warming aside for a moment) [08:52] that's the problem they're not sure how far off. most of the dead people wont tell them there exact age :) [08:53] You mean the piece of news that said rate of decay isn't constant? Yeah, I remember that [08:53] it ?may? be in a google news archive, it wasnt' too long ago, but these days time slips me [08:53] holidays and all, just messing me all up [08:53] Even then, under natural consequences near the surface of the Earth, it must be close to constant [08:54] maybe it's affected by the global warming too? [08:54] :D [08:54] I had to on that one hee hee [08:54] Most certainly not ;) [08:55] Actually I'm open to the idea of global warming, and I want to preserve the earth and all that too, I just find the data (or lack there of) at this time of what we get as citizens not believable. [08:56] Well, it's still the best data we have, and it shows statistically significant warming, doesn't it? [08:56] not to me it doesnt [08:56] they use very small variations as examples [08:56] like 1/2 degrees [08:56] Shrinking Arctic ice pack is a worry to me. [08:56] thats because the speed of light changes and messes up all other constants :P [08:56] hitest, true but canada's really cold this year and alot of ice is forming fwiw [08:56] and they base it on maybe 10 years of data [08:56] That's not a question of opinion. Study statistics. (statistically significant does not mean it couldn't be wrong, it simply says it's not likely to be wrong) [08:57] statistically I could drop 20 pounds [08:57] yeah me too [08:57] though the time length they base it on is not long enough to be certain Aldaron [08:57] Besides, the physics of the greenhouse effect is pretty well understood, and the increase in greenhouse gases is beyond doubt. It's beyond me how it could *not* have an effect [08:58] greenhouse isn't known, as the size of the whole was just found to be totally different then what they thought [08:58] s/whole/hole [08:58] what hole? [08:58] ozone one? [08:58] mrselfpwn: Mostly they have 30 years, which is rougly the perioid we have satellite data for, or 100 years (as usual in the IPCC report) [08:58] if ozone, then thats not related to greenhouse at all [08:58] hole in ozone that makes the theorum of greenhouse work in favor of global warming advocates [08:59] Old_Fogie: Are you saying we still can't measure the absorption spectra of gases in a lab!? [08:59] Aldaron, no I said they got the size of the hole wrong [08:59] huh? greenhouse gases work with or without ozone layer stuff, afaik [08:59] their satelitte photos were wrong/inaccurate whatever you call it. [08:59] it basically borks the data they thought they had [08:59] mrselfpwn: of course not. A true scientist knows nothing can ever be absolutely certain. It's merely the best guess. There isn't better science than "best guess". [09:00] sure there is [09:00] Aha! but then you're assuming things! [09:00] if that were the case I'd have aced differential equations the first time :) [09:00] Old_Fogie, your relation of greenhouse gases and the hole in the ozon layer is nonexstiant, afaik [09:00] assumptions are different than guesses [09:01] slackytude, what's freon? [09:01] Old_Fogie: Luckily, it's not *your* best guess, but rather the best guess of the set of scientists on Earth ;) [09:01] slackytude, a gas that attacks ozone (so they say) [09:01] Old_Fogie, so? [09:01] Aldaron, oh I have plenty of science in the belt :) [09:01] Old_Fogie: true. Guesses are based on assumptions. Guess: special relativity is true. Assumption it relies on: the whole universe works by the same laws. There's some huge uncertainties in that too [09:02] that's now how the scientific approach to calculations works [09:02] Old_Fogie, that is still no corelation to greenhouse gases [09:02] slackytude, between ozone and greenhouse? [09:03] Old_Fogie, yes [09:03] and yeah, as stated earlier, the greenhouse effect has nothing to do with ozone (not necessarily, anyway) [09:03] freon? [09:03] ammonia? [09:03] those might act as greenhouse gases, but they're nowhere near the more significant ones [09:03] in significance, to be extra-clear [09:04] Aldaron, sure they are there banned in darn near the whole world [09:04] eats the ozone [09:04] or so they claim [09:04] Yeah. And losing ozone is bad, because that lets more UV down to the surface, which in turn causes skin cancer among other things. [09:04] they dont go away either [09:05] they hover and hover [09:05] true, they go away relatively slowly (everything does go away eventually though) [09:05] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:05] Carbon dioxide is btw another of the long lived gases in atmosphere [09:06] Old_Fogie, all I was pointing out is that the ozon layer stuff is totaly unrelated to greenhouse gases [09:06] slackytude, I wouldnt call it unrelated, I think that's dangerous to separate the two. I think they should be spoken of in sync [09:06] Old_Fogie, then show me a relation [09:06] Action: slackytude goes to fetch some wood [09:06] its damn cold ^-^ [09:10] I've never heard about a relation between ozone depletion and the greenhouse effect in the scientific circles. And I'm working with sea ice physical modeling and studying the stuff [09:11] ok they have no impact on each other [09:12] well, let's say their impact on each other is orders of magnitude lower than other factors [09:13] Down to the smallest details, most things have some impact on everything [09:13] what would happen if I could yank the ozone out? [09:14] completely? More skin cancer. Maybe some very small initial warming of Earth's surface, combined with cooling of the upper atmosphere, and a resulting change in climate dynamics [09:15] it doesn't matter, with tonights leapsecond, civiliasation as we know it will plunge into chaos and vanish ;) [09:15] But, as a very small part of solar radiation power is UV, the effect would be very small [09:16] BP{k}, hahah [09:17] That happens all the time.. [09:18] without ozone layer, UV radiation should be pretty evil. [09:18] there's alot more to ozone than that. but at this time, I think that's more of a fear in my book then the warming (given our data tho). especially if the new size they think we have is true, it's really alarming [09:18] slackytude, it would [09:18] Yea. I'm no expert on all of its effects on Earth life [09:19] did you that when a certain volcano blew up it created a hole in the ozone. over time the hole healed itself completely [09:19] it was a very large hole at that [09:19] mrselfpwn: yea, that happens over time. In the nature, everything that exists now has some means of regeneration (or is american billions of years old) [09:19] Old_Fogie, true, many things have been hyped beyond real danger. even a world without ozone layer would be enough to sustain human life. just not nearly as fun [09:19] Aldaron, the chemicals (like you said before they can reproduce in a lab) eat that ozone, and it's like a chain reaction, and the hole is getting much bigger than expected. (again from the data we can see) it scares the heck out of me to be honest [09:20] now they are talking about sending thousands of little mirrors into space to reflect the sun [09:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [09:20] that could be catastrophic [09:20] Old_Fogie: I thought the Antarctic ozone hole at least had been getting smaller for at least the last 5-10 years? [09:20] Alex369 (n=kvirc@151.56.87.0) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Ive heard that size was decreasing too [09:21] what is the default DE of slackware? KDE? [09:21] that's what I thought too, but they have a better picture of it recenetly and it's enormous [09:21] don't listen to al gore [09:21] when I install slackware...the default DE is KDE or Gnome? [09:22] when we start to screw around with nature that is when things will get messed up [09:22] mrselfpwn: depends on their size, of course! Now we have some amount of perennial white ice in the Arctic that also reflects sunlight, and it's probably melting completely sometime this century [09:22] Aldaron, you know we did away with r-12 and r-22 (well by 2020) both eat ozone; and replaced it with r134a (now know a greenhouse gas) we just cant win. [09:22] IrquiM: Why not? He does get most of the things right, and even when he doesn't (or adds the human aspect to it), hey, that's what politicians do and have to do [09:23] we designe r123 found out...oh it gives cancer to the technicians and anyone around it. [09:23] yeah, exactly [09:23] such dumb creatures we are [09:23] Alex369 : considering that gnome doesn't come with slackware, i'll leave you to figure this one out [09:23] THE DEFAULT DE OF SLACKWARE IS KDE? ANSWER PLEASE... [09:23] Old_Fogie, wiki is with you on that. largest hole ever in 2006 [09:23] aldaron: most is not good enough [09:23] Alex369 : turn off your caps lock [09:23] slackytude, yup [09:23] ananke: sorry [09:23] should one have mplayer or vlc? [09:23] we used amonia (and still do) and it's _brutal_ [09:24] Old_Fogie: huh? We can safely use anything as long as we don't release it to the atmosphere. Further, we can safely release a whole lot of stuff. Problem is, for CO2, the amount is just too silly enormous. [09:24] amonia for cooling / freezers in case anyone not knowing what it's used for [09:24] user preference dios_mio [09:24] mrselfpwn, are they equals? [09:24] Alex369 (n=kvirc@151.56.87.0) left ##slackware ("No matter how dark the night, somehow the Sun rises once again"). [09:24] Aldaron, "release" I know, we didn't have laws to until late 1990's to capture freon...by then we were decades into just filling a machine, or venting it to work on it :( [09:24] IrquiM: Then go to the IPCC website and talk to scientists to get things straight. I still know no single politician / reporter that would really get science straight. [09:24] lmao2k (n=nothere@82-34-242-225.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:25] does mplayer play all the formats vlc plays Aldaron? [09:25] mrselfpwn: I've no idea ;) [09:25] aldaron: what about the scientists that refuse to support the IPCC? Those that claim that they've been asked to change their findings to fit with other claims? [09:25] dios, check their site [09:26] i use gxine [09:26] cool [09:26] vlc is a very good player though [09:26] and mplayer is good too [09:26] aldaron: IPCC is a political tool, and you said it yourself - none of them get the science right [09:26] Old_Fogie, I see no evidence for a chain reaction, tho. but I just skimmed the wiki article, so I might missed something [09:27] slackytude, that's the way the scientists presented it to us at our conventions in the 90's [09:27] slackytude, calling on the engineering community to stop using r12/22/123 [09:29] dupont still makes it tho, in mexico [09:29] IrquiM: No, it is not. IPCC reports are written by scientists. I know one of the writers personally too. [09:30] dios that is why Old_Fogie invented the wiki. [09:30] aldaron: I'm not saying all of them are making things up, but some again have been refuted [09:30] :D [09:31] :-[ [09:31] IrquiM: What about whom? Everybody has a freedom of opinion and expression, even scientists. Of course no body of thousands of people ever completely agrees with everything, and maybe somebody is even paying scientists to discredit IPCC. Further, even scientists are mistaken at times. Some are even creationists, which I think kinda discredits them (though you are free to disagree, of course) [09:31] jerryt (n=jerryt@CPE0010b575cbc0-CM00080d663683.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [09:31] IrquiM: Can you give one example of an IPCC claim that has been refuted? [09:32] not right now, as I'm off to a party, but if I had a few hours to dig through it, it won't be hard [09:32] Can't be done.. ;) [09:32] It has been - many times ;) [09:32] No, it hasn't. [09:32] Many times I've seen such claims by people who obviously didn't read or understand the reports. [09:33] do you guys know of a program that lets you scan a value in a particular program and capture the memory address? [09:33] yes [09:33] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "See you gentlemen" [09:33] Art Money, Cheat Engine, TSearch [09:33] as I said - I don't have time, but I might find something next year that I'll forward - if I remember [09:33] for linux :) [09:34] i just use wine to run cheat engine [09:34] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Of course what we discussed earlier also applies here - nothing is absolutely certain, and some things are even guesses. And some details of the climate change, for example ice sheet melting, is still so uncertain that IPCC has refused to even guess - thus the low value for projected sea level rise, IPCC does not include glaciers in the figure at all [09:34] okey, so there aren't any native solutions then? [09:34] i never really looked for one that is compatible. lol [09:34] idk [09:34] does anybody know how /proc and /dev get built? [09:35] proc gets mounted and created by the kernel [09:35] Aldaron, I think of that scientist (in the wheelchair, name slips my mind a.t.m) spent 20/30 years on a theory, everyone accepted it, then he debunked it himself. We can all be wrong :) [09:35] dev is populated by udev [09:35] Old_Fogie: steven hawking? [09:35] yes that's him [09:36] i rsyncd my system to a new box but those two directories didn't seem to get created [09:36] i must have done something out of order [09:36] but that guy scares me now, he predicts in next 100 years we gotta get outta dodge here, meteor gonna hit :( [09:36] Old_Fogie: of course. However, theoretical physics is a different beast than applied physics [09:36] when i started it up, it crashed until i loaded a live cd and copied over /dev and /proc [09:36] but the entries didn't match the new hardware [09:37] Aldaron, sure true, but still things can happen. [09:37] but your right gotta start somewhere on it [09:37] Old_Fogie: of course. Yellowstone might have a massive eruption and dim our skies for deades ;) [09:37] yeah that one's waiting to go [09:38] how to get xarchiever [09:38] Yea. I don't need to be certain to act on a guess.. [09:38] was it minnesota this week that got hit by ash? I gotta check the news (arsenic found in the ash) oh my :( [09:38] v3gard : http://linux.die.net/man/1/scanmem [09:39] squeeze seems to work nicer here than xarchiver, fwiw :> [09:39] for i in *.jpg ; do convert $i -resize 25% small-$i ; done [09:39] does that make sence? :/ [09:39] on cd? [09:39] v3gard http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=996155 [09:39] seems to be working -shrugs- cool [09:39] randux, you dont copy /dev and /proc. thats a grave mistake [09:39] randux (n=nobody@unaffiliated/randux) left irc: "slack on, dudes!" [09:40] v3gard, there are some solutions [09:40] Karu (n=alch@77.233.86.19) joined ##slackware. [09:40] acidchi1d: that's why you stopped talking in the other channel lol [09:41] rofl :-P [09:41] well i just picked a geeky channel [09:41] we need to get more people on DS, its a good IRC network :-) [09:42] have you all done this before; http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/ ? [09:43] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@unaffiliated/abstradelic) joined ##slackware. [09:43] is that like kinda geek test? [09:43] i had to tell it I was using linux as a server for it to even suggest slackware [09:43] it's "what's the right linux for you" test [09:43] tiagopasq (n=tiago@200-207-65-42.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [09:44] this questionair is a little erelivent to me. [09:44] it asumes you like gui's [09:45] heh, it suggests ubuntu to me [09:45] fail [09:45] LOL [09:45] it suggested Slackware or Gentoo for me :-P [09:45] lol [09:46] right acidchild [09:46] I like Gentoo [09:46] lol [09:47] Ubuntu for slackytude lol [09:47] Action: slackytude shakes head [09:47] huh, told me mohave... [09:47] lmao [09:48] :) [09:48] The win7 Beta doesn't look too bad [09:48] tiagopasq (n=tiago@200-207-65-42.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "Saindo" [09:48] Gates hasn't added all the bugs yet. [09:49] I'm not going to upgrade to 7 [09:49] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:49] no real motivation to do so from Vista [09:49] if gates gave me the voice control he promised years ago I would [09:50] Gates..doesn't really run Microsoft any more [09:50] or if they tied in the hand writing recognition more maybe [09:50] the touch screen monitor, I dont see me doing that [09:50] hehe [09:50] that'd make it too much work to look at pron :) [09:51] get the screen all smudged up [09:51] hahaha [09:51] would be censored then lol [09:52] mrselfpwn: i do not like gentoo at all. [09:52] i use it every other day and it blows. [09:52] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.224.59.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:54] but dependencies kept breaking my install [09:55] it was a constant fight [09:55] yep, because its crap [09:56] it was slack or gentoo for me at the time and slack was still on the older kernel [09:56] Karu (n=alch@77.233.86.19) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:56] 2.4.x fucking rocks :-) [09:57] [(08:57:16)(~)] uname -a [09:57] Linux server01 2.4.34-grsec #6 Wed May 30 09:07:12 CDT 2007 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [09:57] hehe :-) [09:57] habtool (i=clive@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [09:57] lol [09:58] ) [09:58] =) [09:58] I will tell you what. I learned more about windows and computers in general from linux than in all my years using windows. [09:58] mrselfpwn : that's what happens when you're forced to learn something [09:58] yeah :-( [09:58] Action: acidchi1d opens ananke's mouth, crams in a feeding tube [09:58] are you read? [09:58] ready* [09:59] Action: acidchi1d gets active directory out of the bag [09:59] i'm quite certain i haven't learned as much about automobiles from my honda accord, as much as i've learned from my ol beatup chevy [09:59] right [09:59] what happened to the chevy? O.o [09:59] acidchi1d, thats grsec on a slack? [09:59] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.196.163) joined ##slackware. [10:00] mmm that uname is redhat 9 actully [10:00] acidchi1d, evenentually it fell apart :) [10:00] i run grsecurity on slackware yes. [10:00] ananke: :( [10:00] acidchi1d, did that too. was a pain at first [10:00] i bet you've done it wrong too :-P [10:00] grsec is a pain, period. i've seen it break stuff, just by being applied in the kernel [10:00] Action: acidchi1d has been useing grsec for years [10:00] ananke: like? [10:01] if you know how to use it just like SELinux, it works great. [10:01] acidchi1d, probably :D [10:01] acidchi1d, like oracle instant client 10. grsecurity devs didn't know wtf this was happening [10:01] what socket/call was being killed? [10:01] acidchi1d, setting it up was a pain. I booted to my shiny grsec kernel and it wouldnt load bash [10:01] ananke: wheres the bug report? [10:01] without any options turned on, simply patching the kernel with grsec was causing problems [10:02] did you have sysctl on? [10:02] and was 'apply by default [10:02] turned on? and what kernel version? [10:02] acidchi1d, no, i didn't. nothing was turned on [10:02] you should always turn on sysctl. [10:02] :) [10:02] bug report is somewhere in somebody's irc log [10:02] i have no clue what you mean by 'sysctl on' [10:03] ktabic (n=ktabic@host81-139-195-97.in-addr.btopenworld.com) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [10:03] holdon. [10:03] no grsecurity options were turned on. every grsec option was turned off, at compile time [10:03] can you remember what kernel version?n? [10:03] like 2.4 or 2.6? [10:04] i could look through our internal issue tracking system [10:04]   [*] Sysctl support   [10:04]   [ ] Turn on features by default   [10:04] ananke: not alot to gain from that though these days eh? :-P [10:04] acidchi1d, is that part of grsec? [10:04] yes sir. [10:04] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [10:04] then no, it was turned off [10:04] because you control alot of grsec using kernel veriables. [10:05] yeah you should turn it on, so you can actully turn off alot more [10:05] acidchi1d: hey - are you back yet? [10:05] and also you should setup audit groups... probly just like bind, your SQL thingi needed some special excempts. [10:05] these days i stick to something that's easier to use - apparmor [10:06] is that some kind of front end of SELinux? i know its default in ubuntu? [10:06] or fedora or sommat. [10:06] suse, I think [10:06] no. it's a selinux-like system, created by suse [10:06] i'm pretty sure i've seen it on ubuntu. [10:06] ahh [10:06] its in userland right? no kernel aspect... [10:06] selinux-like? I also thought it was just a frontend [10:06] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:07] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparmor [10:07] habtool_ (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:08] ananke: please dont hate grsec, give it ago again in vmware or something [10:08] its really very very cool :-) [10:08] you just have to understand it just like SEL [10:08] ah nice, apparmor seems pretty kewl. [10:08] its on ubuntu too, aparently [10:09] vaporware [10:09] acidchi1d, doesnt slack + grsec requiere tweaking of a lot of libs [10:09] I found programs run incredibly fast on wild slackware, why ? [10:09] i see the source code still on the two boxes that i had this set up. looks like it was 2.6.11/2.6.13 kernels, even 2.4.31 [10:09] slackytude: nope. [10:09] pyther (n=pyther@unaffiliated/pyther) left ##slackware. [10:10] ananke: grsec supports 2.6.27.10 [10:10] acidchild : thanks, but no thanks [10:10] so maybe your issue has been fixed, but it was probly a configuration error/misunderstanding [10:11] what configuration? there was nothing configured, the grsec devs said that [10:11] slackytude: not at all, grsecurity is awesome due to the fact you have very little tweaking to do. [10:11] ananke: you have to write policys for some applications. [10:11] gradm/RBAC [10:11] i [10:11] acidchild : none of that was turned on [10:12] i understand that, but your application that failed to work. needed a policy just like pam/selinux does [10:12] acidchild : why would it need a policy, when no grsecurity components were turned on? [10:12] like i told you up the buffer, you need sysctl turned on to disable ALL aspects of grsecurity. [10:13] sysctl -a |grep grsec [10:13] that's quite retarded - so you have to turn it on, to be able to turn it off. exactly the opposite what the grsec devs said at the time [10:13] Action: acidchi1d isn't trying to convince you to use grsec, it works for some doesn't for others. [10:13] which 'devs' ? [10:14] can't remember their names now, they claimed they write this stuff [10:14] indeed.... [10:14] security is *so* over-rated [10:14] this was in 2005, as you can imagine it's a long time to remember [10:14] Old_Fogie: oh plz. [10:14] heh [10:14] you use the grsec acidchi1d ? [10:14] ananke: indeed :) have a good xmas? [10:15] i'm looking at the kernel config right now. no grsec stuff is enabled [10:15] Old_Fogie: yes, on alot of my servers. [10:15] acidchi1d, great. didn't do much :) [10:15] thats the best [10:15] you get time off work? [10:15] acidchi1d, hows it fair for desktop use? [10:15] acidchi1d: time off? [10:15] i got 2 weeks off :D:D [10:15] TIME OFF!? [10:15] ananke had like 3 freakin' months STRAIGHT off. [10:15] Dominian: your just a bitch =P [10:15] he doesn't NEED more time off! [10:15] hahaha. [10:15] :) [10:16] Dominian : hell, i almost have another two months :) [10:16] Old_Fogie: perfectly okey ;-) [10:16] do you want a .config? [10:16] last week we had only two days of work, this week two and a half. the whole place is so dead, out of 250 people there may be less than 10 [10:16] not now, but after I get gnome built yes if you dont mind. I never got it right a while back [10:16] long while [10:16] ananke: hahaha [10:18] acidchi1d: I finally fixed dovecot crashing [10:18] at least so far I did [10:19] slackytude, Old_Fogie, ananke http://dubstep.7a69.co.uk/~ash/config/ [10:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) left irc: "Bye Bye" [10:20] the redhat is a very good setup, but that kernel has some serious beta patching. [10:20] Action: Dominian still doesn't know enough about grsec [10:20] maybe I should build one in a VM for testing purposes [10:20] acidchi1d, I had to recompile a lot of libs for them to work together nicely [10:20] shush, no you didnt. [10:21] acidchi1d, later I found out you could tell grsec to load the libs anyway [10:21] acidchi1d, I think it was because slack strips stuff from libs, but its been some years [10:21] acidchi1d, thanks. [10:21] hrm latest supported kernel is 2.6.27.10 [10:22] yes sir [10:22] r1.wlan.* runs grsec/slack/2.6.x [10:22] with only a MD5 patch for the BGP daemon [10:22] Action: Dominian has no idea what you're talking about [10:22] acidchi1d, here's one of the kernel configs that was breaking oracle client: http://pastebin.com/m64fdae90 [10:23] http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-zunes-failing-everywhere-all-at-once [10:23] okey [10:23] Dominian: the main routers at sevenl [10:23] what distro was this ananke? [10:23] and was it a vanilla kernel? aka from kernel.org? [10:23] martian67, play for sure indeed [10:23] acidchi1d, slackware [10:23] kk [10:24] yes, it was vanilla kernel. and the issue was on 2.6.11.x, 2.6.13.x etc [10:24] ananke: i'll try it out, what version of oracle client? [10:24] instantclient10.1 [10:24] okey, i'm running to the shop. [10:24] it was actually php, linked against oracle client. any oracle related functions would trigger it [10:24] hehe [10:25] ananke: i'll build you a kernel/config and a sysctl.conf [10:25] ananke: yeah when it comes to grsec.. acidchi1d is the man. [10:25] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:25] need nicotine >.> bbs [10:25] same here [10:25] acidchi1d, thanks, but i wouldn't bother. i'm not going back there [10:25] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-134-144.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [10:25] acidchi1d, so, no recompiling needed anymore? [10:26] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.146.29) joined ##slackware. [10:26] this may sound retarded, but should it feel "faster" compiling on 12.2 than 12.1 ? these apps' that I've seen compile alot for gnome, are cooking up way faster (or again it appears) [10:27] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.158.36) joined ##slackware. [10:29] it's like the compiler is on crack or something [10:29] maybe it is [10:29] compilers gone wild [10:29] unless my VT is running faster [10:29] heh [10:31] pip, wild slackware? [10:31] Er..... I mean stock one [10:31] damnits windy [10:31] Does anybody know where can I get complete AT&T's UWIN package? [10:32] No heavily tweaked [10:32] sh0ne: what? [10:32] pip, because it has fairy dust inside, which Pat adds by a very fancy sppon for every download [10:32] spoon [10:32] sh0ne: You do realize this channel has nothing to do with AT&T right? [10:33] sh0ne: just search google [10:33] first freakin' hit [10:33] Dominian: OK, I'll look more :) [10:34] slackboy, Programs work fast on xfce : ) [10:34] Reverend Dominian preaches the truth, y0 [10:34] You are healed my son [10:34] Ive seen the light [10:34] heh [10:34] Action: alienBOB heals Dominian with his iron fist [10:34] Nice parallelly working makes me surprised [10:36] *parallel [10:36] sh0ne (n=Unknown@93.86.158.36) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:36] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) joined ##slackware. [10:41] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:42] Two separate lines for make, is that right? http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/l/hal/hal.SlackBuild [10:42] I get it for the first line, if numjobs fail,then just make...but why make again. [10:45] Not sure (I didn't look at the build script), but from experience I know that some things do NOT build cleanly unless everything is done in sequence. So make -j X will break, but "make" alone is fine. [10:45] Indeed [10:45] right, but then he calls make again, no matter what [10:46] Yes that is an oversight I think [10:46] so he does "make $NUMJOBS || make || exit 1" and then right below he does "make || exit 1" [10:46] Anything that built with the first pass is already built? [10:46] yup [10:47] he's cloberizing [10:47] make should return pretty fast, then :D [10:47] That second line should (and can) go [10:47] schuzz (n=schuzz@wadsl-187-121-242-80-dynamic.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [10:47] My copy of the slackware tree's SlackBuilds has that line removed and hal built fine [10:47] leave it to us home user gnome devs to fix Slackware [10:47] _mina86 (i=mina86@82.146.225.27) joined ##slackware. [10:47] Action: Old_Fogie runs [10:47] Action: pupit run lola run [10:48] hee hee [10:48] :) [10:48] I just built it here without line 2 of the makes and ran tree -inapugf on it and compared, looks fine [10:48] I think the piping to make again is quite odd [10:49] yeah you'd think there'd be a || make clean ... [10:49] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:49] and a reconfig almost [10:49] if hal won't build with multiple jobs, just leave it as -j1 :) it doesn't take THAT long [10:54] antoni (n=antoni@192.pool85-53-12.dynamic.orange.es) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [10:54] ananke: whats your email? [10:55] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:55] root@localhost [10:56] :) [10:56] :D [10:56] mina86 (i=mina86@82.146.225.27) left irc: Read error: 111 (Connection refused) [10:56] geez, the wind here is _really_ screwing with the power grid apparently... 0_o [10:57] 0_o <--- it's pidgin! [10:57] Old_Fogie: but actually, it's irssi =P [10:58] nah the logo, looks like the eyeballs on the icon for pidgin that freaks out the grandaughter here [10:58] ah, yeah [10:58] hahah it does look like it dont' it :) [10:58] the pidgin pidgeon is rather odd.... [10:58] yup [10:59] she said "sk-ay-erd" [10:59] translation "scared" [10:59] acidchi1d, so, no recompiling needed anymore? [11:00] she's afraid of the wilbur the gimp too tho, then again so am i [11:00] Naflgar (n=Severanc@195.230.105.2) joined ##slackware. [11:00] Old_Fogie, lol [11:00] acidchi1d: that's a long smoke [11:00] slackytude did you found a tux with pipe ? [11:01] http://www.slackware.be/tux-pipe.jpg [11:01] Naflgar, yeah [11:01] Naflgar, wrote a simple script that makes C code out of PNM image. found out there is one included with the kernel and kinda lost heart [11:02] nice slackytude [11:02] rinovan (n=warnet@125.164.234.162) left irc: "Assalamualaikum.......see you!!!" [11:03] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-75-36-215-71.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:03] spmd (i=N95@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [11:03] In fact, If I understand it correctly, kernel will take the logo.pnm in that dir and build it into the kernel, when you call make [11:03] oh, nice idea [11:03] so, to have a smoking tux logo, just replac the linux_logo_clut224.pnm with any 80x80 ascii coded pnm and next time, you have that as logo [11:04] this is for the penguin in the framebuffer console, right? [11:04] yeah [11:04] haha, a dobbshead would be funny [11:04] yeah :D [11:05] that was my intention when I wrote the script [11:05] then I found out, its all builtin and automagic and stuff [11:06] /usr/src/linux/scripts/pnmtologo [11:06] can I clean the info from -> users /var/run/utmp [11:06] acidchi1d, you back yet? [11:06] ? [11:07] usus12jari (n=dylan@125.163.72.14) joined ##slackware. [11:09] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.174.27.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [11:11] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [11:11] hi happy new year [11:11] is upgradepkg a good way to upgrade or should i do something else? [11:11] upgrade what? [11:11] it's the best way. you can use a tool like slackpkg that uses upgradepkg too [11:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [11:13] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [11:13] wine [11:14] slackytude: yes sir. [11:14] is that whine? [11:17] valvola (n=val@host102-30-dynamic.19-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "valvo is shutting down..." [11:17] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:18] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.90.183) joined ##slackware. [11:18] dTd: cute :) [11:18] hi, i'm trying to install adobe flash plugin. [11:19] its asking to provide installation path. what should i give? [11:19] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) joined ##slackware. [11:19] missyjane (n=hey@unaffiliated/missyjane) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [11:19] saivin, use slackbuilds.org it will put it in slackware tgz format for you [11:19] saivin: where is your webbrowser located? firefox is /usr/lib/firefox (IIRC) [11:20] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:20] best to use /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins so other browsers will use it (konqueror, opera, monkey, etc) they all look there [11:20] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) joined ##slackware. [11:20] hi, Old_Fogie tried slackbuilds but it gave some error and exited [11:20] but really use SBo the brain work is done for ya [11:21] saivin, you have to run the scripts as root [11:21] ya i tried /usr/lib/firefox and its installed now [11:21] acidchi1d, so, no recompiling needed anymore for grsec and slack? [11:21] was trying /usr/lib/mozilla... :) [11:21] thanks a lot [11:22] but what is the meaning of :"Cannot open: No such file or directory [11:22] tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now" [11:22] . /usr/lib/mozilla is supposed to be a shared directory for all mozilla-based products, but ff seems to not use it anymore [11:22] this i got when i tried slackbuild [11:22] saivin: that means the source of the archive cannot be found [11:22] it wont if you install the binary by hand without editing a file as Mr. V does in FF build [11:23] saivin: you need to download the source tarball and put it in that directory [11:23] if you compiile it yorself it should/does here at least heh [11:23] kamaji (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:23] I believe the sbo script needs the source file to be d/l in the same directory as the sbo script in order to work - the sbo script does not fetch the archive for you [11:24] saivin, did someone point you to sbopkg.org already? [11:24] sbopkg and I believe slackpkg both d/l the source archive, but sbo scripts do not [11:24] ok u mean to say that i need to download the source as well as the sb script. it basically does what i need to do by hand. is that what u mean? [11:24] saivin: yes; it requires the slackbuild + source :> [11:25] gotcha.. then will fiddle with some installations then... :) [11:26] the slackbuild is trying to tar the flash directory, which is why you see the error above (as that file is missing) [11:26] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [11:27] saivin, a easy way to download is: source SBONAME.info; wget $DOWNLOAD [11:27] or use sbopkg :P [11:27] I heard slackpkg is good, too :) [11:27] the url? [11:27] www.sbopkg.org [11:28] ok [11:28] Action: Old_Fogie uses: [11:28] . *.info && wget -c -T 5 $DOWNLOAD && . $(basename $(pwd)).info && for f in *; do if [ $(md5sum $f | awk '{print $1}') = "$MD5SUM" ]; then true; break; fi; false; done && echo MD5OK || echo MD5ERR [11:28] it's already a slackware package, so just d/l sbopkg file and run "installpkg sbopkg-*.tgz" - there are some options you can check in /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf, but defaults should be ok [11:29] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] made me an alias for that , it's called "slack-get" :) [11:29] downloads and hash verifies [11:29] Action: thrice` uses /usr/local/bin/{dl,build} [11:30] you source info twice? [11:30] Action: slackytude 's bash-fu is weak [11:30] yea I supose i could source both variables [11:31] hey I'm new to this script-fu, cut me some slack : [11:31] you already slack :) [11:31] i need a bit of help creating a lilo boot cd .. my system has an encrypted root filesystem using luks which may have something to do with this oddity. i run mkrescue --iso --size HD .. and it seems to go well until the end when it spits out "Fatal: device-mapper: only linear boot device supported" . strange thing is that just running 'lilo' by itself completes without any trouble. any ideas? [11:31] alisonken1home, :) [11:31] Old_Fogie, think only the first source is needed [11:31] yeah I should revisit that,it's been a while [11:32] looks funky, tho. high marks in "slack" and "cool" from me [11:32] actually another chan member gave me 90% of it nw I think of it [11:32] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:32] heh [11:32] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [11:32] that really got me into reading bash manaul seeing all that (amongst rob's buildsscripts for xfce) [11:34] bash is just incredible, finicky like all lang's, but man is it neat [11:34] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [11:34] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:37] bash manual [11:38] you can kill someone with the printed version [11:38] can also put them to sleep. it's multi-use you know :) [11:39] dont tell :P [11:39] exit [11:39] hahah, i am not in shell... [11:39] heh, fail [11:40] sombriks (n=sombriks@201009115088.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Saindo" [11:40] apropos fail, what you ppl think about that zune stuff [11:41] http://gizmodo.com/5121311/reports-30gb-zunes-failing-everywhere-all-at-once [11:41] i didnt read it, but from the name, sounds bad [11:41] nah, sounds funny [11:41] except for zune users [11:42] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.42) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [11:43] be intersting to see if it's verified by MS or not [11:43] sure makes me think twice about the cars that ship with the MS onboard compter navigation system [11:44] Old_Fogie: at least it doesn't control the power train/brake systems :) [11:44] yea really, but someday...oh man... [11:44] Old_Fogie: amen ! I actually won't buy a car with too much "extra" computing systems [11:45] ugh, please kkep computers out of cars... [11:45] rk4n3: then pay attention - at last check, cars have a minimum of 12 computers in them nowadays [11:45] rk4n3, same here, if I cant yank it out of the cigarrette lighter (which the car *better* have one) I dont want it either [11:45] Old_Fogie: amen [11:46] agreed [11:46] yeah I agree, keep computers out of the car [11:46] Naflgar (n=Severanc@195.230.105.2) left ##slackware. [11:46] alisonken1home: yeah, its scary - but at least paying attention to keep it to a minimum is something I can hopefully continue to do [11:46] computers, air bags, electric windows, electric seats, [11:46] drives up the cost, but yet they'll shove em' down our throats any how [11:46] exactly [11:46] thats the sole reason for putting them in [11:47] engine control, crash control, brake control, transmission control, dash control, ..... [11:47] they just can't make high enough profits from a basic vehicle [11:47] and don't forget the mcp control [11:47] dTd: electronics != computers ... electric windows with a manual switch doesn't count as computer-controlled [11:47] yeah I know [11:47] azurite (n=azurite@ip68-228-57-192.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [11:47] rk4n3: true, just some of my personal opinions of things that cars don't need [11:47] Hobbes (n=Hobbes@85-127-133-254.dynamic.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined ##slackware. [11:47] dTd: ah, definitely don't need most of that crap, true enough :) [11:48] unless the switch sends a signal to a control computer that actually _does_ control the power to the window :) [11:48] I think lexus may do that alisonken1home, not sure on it tho [11:48] which it probably does nowadays [11:48] alisonken1home: OK, you're going to make me paranoid now ;) [11:48] I want my old Pinto back dammit [11:48] rk4n3, wanna borrow my tin foil hat, I got a spare [11:48] they do - how do you think they get with the advertising about how the windows automatically close when the crash detector goes off? [11:48] dTd, yes, just dont get hit from behind in the pinto :) [11:49] Old_Fogie: haha - email me instructions for making them ! [11:49] I had one with the english engine, got 41mpg and was da bomb ;) [11:49] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) joined ##slackware. [11:49] really that much? wow [11:49] yup [11:49] awesome car [11:49] my friend had the wagone model [11:50] would tow a snowmobile trailer [11:50] wagon* [11:50] my sisters pinto had good milage - but it was a wheezer 4cyl that had problems going uphill with more than 2 adults in the car [11:50] thats why I liked the 1.6l english motor, was smaller but had twice the power [11:50] yeah they were decent cars, again, so long as you didnt hit them in the tail end, or *kaboom* [11:50] now if wankels had as good a mileage :) [11:51] heh wankels had pretty decent mileage, but no lifespan [11:51] wankels are fine [11:51] those blasted seals [11:51] on the rotor edges [11:51] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [11:51] apex seals were supposed to be getting better - I wouldn't mind checking out the diesel version, but can't afford it right now [11:52] rabbit diesel, another awesome ride IMHO [11:52] excellent power/weight ratio on them, though [11:52] one of my bosses had one, lasted forever [11:52] had a navy buddy with one - we rebuilt it one weekend. nice little putter [11:52] the whole body rotted away long before the engine gave a hint of trouble [11:53] I had a VW diesel Rabbit once - had over 300K miles on it, and every time I stopped for gas, I had to fill up the oil too, and the radiator - and filling the radiator caused the oil leaking into it from the motor to spill over the top... darn thing just kept running though [11:53] yeah you couldnt kill them old vw's [11:53] that's the nice thing about diesels - given enough fuel, even water helps :) [11:53] rk4n3: yup, those things were great, probably why they don't make them anymore [11:53] yeah [11:53] if they did [11:54] can't sell new ones with the old ones lasting like that [11:54] no one would need to repair there cars [11:54] sucks actually, [11:54] yeah - weird thing was - even in horrid shape, it averaged over 60mpg on long trips as long as not driving against a headwind [11:54] but, in a free market, people could control these things [11:54] well, I don't keep detroit in business since I usually keep my cars until 200K anyway [11:54] I'd take a 70's chevelle, nova, any day over *any* thing they sell now. [11:54] Old_Fogie: I loved those cars, but would like more mileage [11:55] Old_Fogie: how about a modified vw bug with a 454ci stuffed in the trunk :) [11:55] I have an old chevelle, modern engine tho, I get very good mileage on it, when and if I ever get to take it out up here [11:55] I wish folks/schools would spend more time teaching kids self control, and how to influence things with buy descisions [11:56] dTd, good luck with that [11:56] I know [11:56] gotta teach the parents first [11:56] people are toaught to consume [11:56] thats it [11:56] whatever is newer is better, thats the mantra [11:56] that, and liberal arts [11:56] dTd: actually, there a whole load of behavioral topics that aren't covered at all in school - that's probably more a parent's job, I guess ... [11:56] thats why I said folks/schools [11:56] logic, history, politics [11:57] on the other hand, maybe that shouldnt be taught by schools [11:57] they only would mess it up [11:57] dTd: ah, right [11:57] but, common self control and desicive actions, that lead to a better society should be taught to anyone [11:58] should be - but schools are required to be politically correct as well. good luck on getting morals defined in that environment [11:58] I have friends, that MUST spend their paychecks on friday, they HAVE too, it's like a drug [11:58] I know those types [11:58] it's not morals though [11:58] not what I am talking about [11:58] it's common sonse [11:58] aoliveira (n=root@20151015024.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [11:58] dTd: while I agree that schools should definitely reinforce behavioral health, I do think the responsibility for actual "training/teaching" that stuff lies with family [11:58] ##slackware: mode change '+b aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [11:58] aoliveira kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You are annoying, trolling and ban evading. Stay out for a month. [11:58] they aint living if they cant spend their whole money on crap they absolutly, urgently, need [11:58] it's the ability to wait, to be patient, to control the flow of things through actions and descisions [11:59] like new mp3 player [11:59] "common" and "sense" are derived from taught morals - morals are not ingrained, but taught by both teaching and watching how the adults act - so what you're saying is still part of morals [11:59] alisonken1home: indeed [11:59] alisonken1home: not at all [12:00] common sense is the ability to shoose which is better based on real life facts [12:00] dTd: that's a large part of what morals are, as well [12:00] and that they are more important that base desires or socially taught feelings [12:00] ok - then actions and decisions are based on what? ask a kid that grew up in a religous home, a state home, and a same-sex partnership and see what answers you get [12:00] saivin (n=saivin@122.167.90.183) left irc: "Leaving" [12:01] alisonken1home: if I ask them if pouring liquid in the game slot is good, I bet I get the same answer from all of them ;) [12:01] This is why I advocate breast feeding til' your 20 at least [12:01] Old_Fogie, eww [12:01] Old_Fogie: lol [12:01] rofl [12:01] don't mix morality with sense [12:01] Old_Fogie: I'd still would be, but the wife has a problem with that :) [12:01] hahah [12:02] hmm, ran outta milk for morning coffee "honey!... [12:02] common sense has nothing at all to do with morality [12:02] dTd: apparently, your definition of "morals" and "sense" and "common" are not defined in the same context as what I know, then [12:02] dTd: it really depends on how you define morality - some "concepts" of morality are based on the exact same elements that make up "common sense" [12:02] mhh, should I buy a new car? what would jesus say? [12:02] my morality would love people to use more common sense for the benefit of all, but if that isn't their morality, than doing it for themselves will suffice [12:03] dTd: in the 19th century, it was common sense and moral to have slaves as well [12:03] dTd: while you might not be able to logically connect the two directly, they derive from the same foundational elements, and are thus inseperable [12:03] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [12:03] "my morality would love people to use more common sense for " <-- I dont think I'd term that morality , not sure what I'd call that, but morality no. [12:03] rk4n3: thats bunkus [12:04] Old_Fogie: of course, maraly, I like helpng folks, has nothing to do with common sense [12:04] dTd: I'm not sure what "bunkus" means, but its seems to me you're in denial of the obvious [12:04] haha [12:04] Action: Old_Fogie thought denial was a river in Africa [12:04] ok that sounds funny but types bad [12:05] haha [12:05] :) [12:05] common sense, though learning about physical nature of life, of making the proper descisions based upon how the wold works, over basic social pressure and desires, total separation from morality I would think [12:05] alisonken1home, It think its a gross overstatment to say it was moral to have slaves, even in 19th. you make it sound as having no slaves was regard as imoral [12:06] dTd: actually, most morality comes from a culture's learning of exactly what you mention, and expecting the young to heed the lessons of that learning [12:06] no but it would make good common sense [12:06] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:06] dTd, I think a person could learn common sense,but be an immoral person. But I look at that from a person who grew up in a religous house tho [12:06] on the whole [12:06] Old_Fogie: I agree [12:07] Old_Fogie, sounds right. there are a lot of clever guys, who are total bastards [12:07] morality, is a social thing, about wanting to be good or evil, if there are such things, common sense has nothing to do with that [12:07] slackytude: nope - just noting that society at that time has different "morals" and "common sense" than what dtd was describing as "morals" and "common sense" today [12:07] being a "total bastard" is contrary to common sense [12:07] I also think people could be taught morals, be it "social morals" or "religous morals" but choose not to practice them , still have common sense, but still be 'immoral' by whichever standards [12:08] Old_Fogie: I agree again [12:08] rk4n3, you define the term different then [12:08] a "total bastard" can still have common sense an morals - in _his_ context of morals and common sense [12:08] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:08] see that word is funny, meant a whole different thing in my day the "bast..." [12:09] Old_Fogie: exactly, you had many bastard shildren living in town [12:09] yup [12:09] franly, this whole conversation shows how parents haven't been teaching their children some important things in life [12:09] frankly* [12:09] amazing how each generation corrupts^Wredefines definitions and words, isn't it? :) [12:09] hmmm ... I think I've just discovered something implicit in my own views ... I think I see morality as individually chosen or "ascribed to", and common sense as objective ... [12:10] alisonken1home, it is, you'd have been bad to say someone was 'black' for example [12:10] yup - and common sense is not objective [12:10] Old_Fogie: calling a man black was a descriptive term of his behavior, not his color [12:11] common sense is certainly objective, it's a desicion [12:11] yeah backthen yup [12:11] dTd, [12:11] alisonken1home: then I guess I've been thinking of common sense differently ... [12:11] common sense is subjective to each person [12:11] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:11] changing definition of words? what a gay thing to do [12:11] and it's use is objective [12:11] slackytude, pun not intended ey? :) [12:11] lol [12:11] ok - what did gay mean in 1956? [12:12] it meant happy, or fun [12:12] pleasant [12:12] yup [12:12] yeah [12:12] those elves, so sad and yet, so gay [12:12] tolkien :D [12:12] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:12] still does to me [12:12] slackytude: proper education is important ;) [12:13] alisonken1home: I've been under the impression that the whole point of "common" in common sense was that its independent from the individual - I always read that as what people agree is "objectively" sensical - shared perception ... [12:13] dTd, reading, logic, bit of math, history [12:13] eh andreading [12:13] rk4n3: what context? "common" in the US is not "common" in Africa [12:13] rk4n3: nope, it's individual to each person [12:13] slackytude, dont forget compiling [12:13] eh [12:13] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:14] common refers to common forces in physical nature of things [12:14] not communal [12:14] and yet, someone who moves to the US from Africa will still have their views of "common" that don't match what someone who is a 3rd/4th generation US [12:14] common sense in afrika is exactly the same as in the us [12:14] alisonken1home: I definitely understand what you're saying, but I think it rather destroys the whole point of "common sense" ... I would think "common sense" should be independent of location, culture, etc... [12:14] common does not refer to the community [12:14] well they may know not to run in front of a lion,but not a bus dTd [12:15] rk4n3: key prhase "... should be ..." [12:15] Old_Fogie: the fact both can be dangerous is pretty common in a physical sense [12:15] dTd: I agree ... it should be independent of the community to be meaningful [12:15] they should be able to figure that one out, Old_Fogie :) [12:15] slackytude, we should hope [12:15] as they physic is the same on both continents [12:15] that would be a measurment of common sense [12:15] the ability to figure out that both are dangerous [12:16] Old_Fogie: how about not running in front of things that you know can hurt you ? [12:16] ... to me, *that's* the common-sense part of it [12:16] root__ (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [12:16] agreed. but that definition means that someone without common sense couldnt survive in day to day live, so its still flawed [12:16] rk4n3, yea but he may be in amazement of the "purdy" big moving thing, I dunno [12:16] it's not an all or nothing trait [12:16] good point [12:16] some amount is needed to stay alive [12:17] someone with more might become the next henry ford [12:17] Karu (n=alch@77-233-86-19.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [12:17] Old_Fogie: yeah, I suppose ... [12:17] I feel, and this is just personal, that it's a major trait, and key to success in most things in life [12:18] hard to comment on that without a good definition. you are talking gut feelings [12:18] dTd: when I hear you say that, it makes me think of the personality traits that support strong common sense *and* strong morals [12:19] bringing back paddling might help, my $0.02 [12:19] always trying to bring some form of morality into this, it's not about that [12:19] Old_Fogie: amen [12:19] tell an inner city kid "hey *time-out*" and he gives ya the finger; Lord help our teachers [12:19] paddling as in spanking? [12:19] morality might influence your desicions, but that is besides whatever common sense would tell you to do [12:20] Old_Fogie: paddling never solved anything [12:20] dTd, it sure did. [12:20] dTd, the pain,and the embarassement [12:20] does wonders [12:20] I was a good kid, because I cared about the old folks that were watching me, not because I was afraid of some punishemnt [12:20] Violence solves lots of things. [12:20] jkwood, it solves peace [12:20] slackboy: amen [12:21] ;) [12:21] It's not a question of punishment, it's a question of discipline. [12:21] you get paddled in a class room rull of your peers, you'll reconsider what you did ya kjnow [12:21] sure, and then work on some revenge [12:21] crying infront of your peers, oh you'll behave [12:21] nahh [12:21] slackytude: You find me some peace right now, and I'll be happy to keep my violence away from it. [12:21] I used to get the ruler all the time [12:21] never adjusted my behavior in school [12:21] that depends heavily on the teachers. there are some that Id trust enough to allow it. But not all of them. [12:21] dTd, same here on the hands since I'm lefty [12:22] heh [12:22] I'd go home with bloody knuckles almost daily for writing with my left hand [12:22] asswipes [12:22] thats great [12:22] no common sense ;) [12:22] Old_Fogie: are you a better person for it? [12:22] Old_Fogie, and you still are in favor of bringing it back [12:22] How do I start mysql? [12:22] I am, I know it;s wrong, and shouldn't be done [12:22] gewt, read rc.mysqld [12:22] it worked, I can write right handed [12:22] dTd: So you're arguing that you were both disciplined and "a good kid", but that there's no corollation? [12:23] dTd: I get what you're saying ... my view is different - what you tie directly to common sense I tie to the many small personality-based choices made as part of identity, etc... which I am saying is the same thing that determines morality - not that common sense *is* morality, just that they are linked by virtue of being caused by the same "stuff" in a person's psyche [12:23] rk4n3: nahh, it's much more mechanical than that [12:23] my wifge can't understand how a car works, or eve why you shift gears [12:24] she has little common sense in other things as well, but she has much learned successfull behavior, not the same thing [12:24] but that's ignorance, not "lack of common sense" [12:24] but she knows how the charge cards work don't she (/me stabs the wallett) [12:24] no it;s not [12:24] Old_Fogie: haha [12:24] Old_Fogie: well, not really, we don't use credit [12:24] Old_Fogie, uh, sorry. hurting a child because it writes with the left hand is a quick way to get me angry [12:24] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: "byez" [12:25] slackytude, believe me when I tell ya, got me angry too [12:25] Catholic school didnt' allow it [12:25] slackboy: they used to do it, lucky you aren't old enough or were spared the memories [12:25] I didn't attend catholic shcool, public education taught me that most teachers had some agenda [12:26] I know that it used to be allowed. Its crap, good riddance to it. And, personaly, I wouldnt allow physical to any guy who just happens to be employt at a state school [12:26] in the rich town I grew up in, most of them wanted to belittle the children of people they assumed were born with a golden spoon in their mouths [12:26] Karu (n=alch@77-233-86-19.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [12:26] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:27] greed, envy, spite, morality based ideas, not common sense ;) [12:27] I went to a catholic school where they forced me to use my right hand (I'm left-handed) [12:27] when I grew up, Catholic Schools were not expensive, and there were plenty of them, and everyone went to them really, or well, you were told you weren't going to go to heaven (or had bad chances) [12:27] ... that was a sucky experience, let me tell ya (the right-handed stuff, that is) [12:27] yup, I hear they don't do it anymore, not sure when they stopped it tho. [12:28] man, I would hate to be beat for being left handed. I can write with my right if I want to, but I learned for fun, not out of pain [12:29] yeah, lucky for me I was pretty good with my right hand too, so I mostly got chided for "sloppiness", but I had friends that got worse because they just couldn't make it work... [12:29] Yeah, the nuns, they take "no prisoners" if you get my drift when it came to being lefty [12:29] Nick change: gewt -> p4ssw0rd [12:29] nukedclx (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:29] Dr4kk4r (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [12:29] oh, my right handed writing is super messy.. it'd be hard to tidy it up [12:30] well, mine is aswell, but Im just sloppy [12:30] If you ever watch the old Blues Brothers movie, and you see the fear they had of the "Penguin" that's no lie there [12:30] roger that [12:30] Old_Fogie, thats an often repeated cliche [12:30] that may be, but I know I was [12:30] Nick change: p4ssw0rd -> gewt [12:30] slackytude: I guarantee you everyone at my school was scared of nuns [12:30] I couldnt get it thru my thick skull to use the right [12:31] I didnt express that right. cliches for me are always based on reality. there wouldnt be cliches if it didnt happen. they exist because they are true. for a given value of true [12:31] Heck I was lucky, I was the age that got to hear sermon in English, and not all latin [12:32] slackytude: ah, I get ya [12:32] my folks had to learn latin for Church [12:32] I liked latin [12:32] savedmy ass too [12:32] yeah we still had to take it [12:32] but service was in english tho [12:32] its still on of the choices you have to do to get a college degree in germany [12:32] I was fascinated by latin - I was in school (about half-way through grade school) when they stopped requiring it for mass - I missed it [12:33] english is mandatory and third language too, either frnch or latin [12:33] I'm very sorry to interrupt the conversation. I've been reading it and haven't posted. I had no idea nuns hated left handed people. I'm having a bit of trouble with sound in Slackware 12.2. I get the error message, "device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Permission denied)." My user is a member of the audio group. [12:33] and I cant do french [12:33] Keveam: have you checked the group ownership on the /dev/dsp device file ? [12:33] Keveam, did you log in/out for the change in group to take effect? [12:34] Keveam, is it the same for root user? [12:34] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [12:34] man, my old pinto sure changed the topic ;) [12:34] dTd, yeah you bated us in to the outter realms of off-topic, heh [12:34] schuzz (n=schuzz@wadsl-187-121-242-80-dynamic.broadband.blic.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:34] heh [12:35] common snese told me not to say it, but my evil morals wanted it bad [12:35] rk4n3: crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2008-12-30 14:11 /dev/dsp [12:35] Old_Fogie: Yes. [12:35] Keveam, that's fine perm's [12:36] Keveam, did you run alsaconf as root, and setup the soundcard? [12:36] Kevean: it'd be interesting to know if you have the issue as root - if not, it would point to permissions issue somewhere [12:36] can I get amarok without all of kde and the rest, thats my real question for today [12:36] Old_Fogie: Yes. [12:36] dTd, install kdebase kdelibs arts qt you should be fine [12:37] thats a lot of deps for one music manager [12:37] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [12:37] about the only kde thing I use, besides quanta [12:37] dTd, its a good one, tho [12:37] dTd, yeah, same for me [12:37] Keveam: one last confirmation on the group membership - if you run "id -a" from a shell, does the audio group show up ? [12:37] slackytude: yes, I find it more and more needed [12:37] Keveam, hmmm... try "aplay /usr/share/sounds/some-file-there.ogg" do you hear anything? [12:37] still got all the KDE stuff, if I happen to need it [12:38] Keveam, aplay is alsa player on command line [12:38] I tried goggles music manager [12:38] it's not even close [12:38] nor is gmusicbrowser [12:38] Action: Old_Fogie like rhythmbox [12:38] Old_Fogie: I'll end my current session and come back. [12:38] amaroks built in web based tools are just too good to not have [12:38] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:38] gotta shave n stuff. almost time for party [12:38] Keveam, yes you really need to be sure to log in/out for the group change [12:39] slackytude, ok cu :) [12:39] ^-^ [12:39] Old_Fogie: does rythmbox have the artist/lyrics/wiki integration, and last.fm support for scrobbling? [12:39] yes to all those, scrobbling I dont know [12:40] I dont know what that is, heh [12:40] what's scrobbling ? [12:40] dTd, it does the magnazune too [12:40] updates you're last fm accounts andf playlists [12:40] upnp [12:40] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [12:40] z [12:40] Alright. It works. [12:40] \o/ [12:41] Keveam, log in/out ? [12:41] For some reason, usermod -G audio didn't save my changes. [12:41] fixed it? [12:41] Old_Fogie: Yes. [12:41] Action: Old_Fogie does the Pee Wee Herman dance [12:41] Old_Fogie: w00t [12:41] Action: rk4n3 plays Tequila on his air-tuba [12:41] I don't see a slackbuild for rythmbox [12:41] its' a gnome app [12:41] Thanks guys. [12:41] fa-Whoomp! [12:41] Keveam, your welcome [12:42] Old_Fogie: ugh [12:42] Keveam, ugh dont use usermod -G [12:42] gnome, now there's another entire sweet of things I don't need just for one app [12:42] good eye slackytude [12:42] adduser [12:42] Old_Fogie, O_o [12:42] gpasswd [12:42] gpasswd -a USER GROUP [12:42] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [12:43] usermod -G is evil! [12:43] Action: slackytude shaves [12:43] Action: Old_Fogie hopes he's only shaving the face while he chit-chats [12:45] slackytude: Why no usermod? [12:46] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [12:46] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:47] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) joined ##slackware. [12:47] Action: Dominian slaps abby [12:47] dTd: Songbird's pretty good. Or, if you're feeling brave, and don't mind a QT4 app, http://git.fredemmott.co.uk/?p=yanihp;a=summary [12:48] aka jerboa [12:48] jkwood: I was just looking at it on slackbuilds.org [12:48] Dominian: abby is in GENTOO! [12:48] :O [12:48] can qt4 be installed alongside qt3? [12:49] abby (n=abby@84-254-189-67.ip.skylogicnet.com) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [12:49] I believe that the SBo QT4 can be installed side-by-side, yes. [12:49] how about the ones from /testing? [12:49] That's a replacement, iirc. [12:49] ok [12:49] dTd, no they cant [12:50] I have those already lol, thats why I asked [12:50] Whoa... who broke the page for QT4? [12:50] I take that back. Who broke the tarball? 403 Forbidden. [12:50] what uses gstreamer in stock slackware as it is now? [12:50] dTd, for kde4 [12:51] ?, gstreamer is only inlcuded for kde4? [12:51] if you're not using kde4 then nothing so far as I can tell from the currently running 'required builder) [12:51] straterra: that doesn't surprise me [12:51] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [12:51] I've yet to finish it tho, so not sure yet [12:52] hrmm, I did try kde4 after first upgrading, mayb it's not a default package [12:52] Old_Fogie: hey do you think good ol' Ralph is starting to lose his mind :) [12:53] Keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "Lost terminal" [12:53] yes, he should've fired them, even tho that'd been 3 changes in 3 years [12:53] i feel so stupid [12:53] kitche, you guys get snow, we got a foot so far [12:54] root__ (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [12:54] Old_Fogie: it spit a little this morning.. that's about it [12:54] I have a lot myself [12:54] all i needed was a rootdelay in the kernel [12:54] mordy, your grub issue? [12:54] Old_Fogie: snow this morning but think most of it went to the snow belt which is a few miles from me since my mom had to come home when she went to work since she could not see anything [12:54] gstreamer is a default package [12:54] kitche, yea it's been a white out here since 12 midnight for the most part [12:55] old_fogie, it wasn't grub, it was simply that the kernel needed to wait a few seconds for the usb device to intialize [12:55] dTd, yea it's in 'l' i've yet to see why tho [12:55] mordy, oh wow [12:55] mordy, how many hours you got into that? [12:55] old_fogie, many hours [12:55] but this is something that a new install would not help with anyway [12:55] we have a lake effect watch and 70 mile an hour warnings too :( [12:56] mordy, yes I dont think the installer might catch something like that [12:56] it's not a very standard setup either :P - but i was surprised that there was a 'rootdelay' argument [12:56] leave it to linux to force learning on ya [12:56] especially considering that everywhere i looked, i saw things about hacking initrd and getting a special kernel [12:57] Hmm... qt4 is behaving again. Weirdness. [12:57] old_fogie, it's why i like linux :P [12:57] mordy, more like "like Linux when it works" :) [12:58] old_fogie, in most cases, even when it's not working, i know what to look for, and what's the problem [12:58] except if it's some weird X issue - those i can't stand [12:58] hmm mass suicides of Zunes hmm they must eb very depressed :D [12:59] kitche, yes that is really odd [12:59] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [13:01] compiz article, interesting I thought they were just getting going too. http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njk2Mg [13:02] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.174.27.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [13:02] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [13:02] kitche, plays for sure [13:03] slackytude, haha that kills me :) [13:03] heh [13:03] evo- (n=evo@91-67-163-43-dynip.superkabel.de) left irc: "Don't mind your make-up, make your mind up!" [13:03] actually , zune's dont play the 'plays for sure' iirc that's why my grandkid didnt want one [13:03] i ..err think [13:03] root__ (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [13:04] think they didn't at first [13:04] Old_Fogie, yeah, they broke it. they did at first [13:08] whats is 'plays for sure' [13:08] crap [13:08] heh ok, but now we know what it's like, but what is it actually ;)\ [13:09] a DRM scheme by MS which they pushed sometime and then droped it again, leaving those poor sobs who bought into it stranded [13:09] [fade] (n=fade@vpn.magnetplus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:09] slackytude: no they never dropped it they just changed the name for it :) to Certified for windows vista [13:09] sounds like staus quo for them [13:09] http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/playsforsure/ [13:09] gonna head on out, bbiaw [13:09] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [13:09] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [13:10] so it's just a name change for vista advertising [13:10] that link wasnt so good [13:10] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PlaysForSure [13:10] nukedclx (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:12] wow. anybody see the article about 2.6.28 being released? [13:13] http://wddc.blogspot.com/2008/12/trovalds-gift-for-linux-community-new.html [13:14] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:14] fluxnuk3r, yeah, about 6 times for now [13:15] no wait [13:15] yeah, thats the one [13:15] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.209) joined ##slackware. [13:16] slackytude: sorry..I just saw it and it was just written today. [13:17] no sweat. was released on 25th dec, tho. that blog is late [13:17] `an I really need to build my super computer I want to build to do some of the stuff I want to do [13:18] How do slackware know which file type uses which icon theme ? [13:18] I mean if I can tweak it a bit for my needs [13:18] *does [13:18] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:18] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [13:19] pip: english not your first language? [13:19] fluxnuk3r, How do slackware know which file type uses its corresponding icon theme ? [13:19] *does [13:19] fluxnuk3r, It's not [13:20] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:20] pip: slackware doesn't know anything about icons, per se - its the particular graphical environment you're using that you'll need to configure [13:20] [fade] (n=fade@vpn.magnetplus.net) left ##slackware ("Erection reset by beer"). [13:21] I see, then any clue about xfce ? [13:21] pip: there are people here that use and know xfce - unfortunately I'm not one of them... [13:21] thanks all the same [13:21] pip: I use xfce once in a while. what are you trying to change? [13:22] I want to set CHM file with a given icon theme [13:23] you lost me. [13:23] pip: you want all .chm files to have a certain icon that you pick ? [13:23] rk4n3, Yes, that's it [13:24] Well, icon theme is considered to be a set of icons right ? [13:24] i use xfce, but i'm just as clueless :P [13:24] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [13:24] possibly a setting in the xfce file manager (whatever that is) ? [13:24] Then I'm going to figure it out [13:24] icon theme only has icons for standard known file formats, i don't know if it would have something for a chm (microsoft help) file [13:24] only way I can think of is to delete all the other ones and change the fallback [13:25] I think he's looking to just change the icon for one file type, not the entire theme [13:25] I found that CHM file doesn't have its right icon in every icon theme installed [13:25] yeah, so just a custom icon for .chm files ... [13:26] Yes [13:26] You can say that again [13:26] so replace the icon in /usr/share/pixmaps [13:27] let me check it out [13:27] well, for one, xfce uses gnome themes (assuming you have gnome as well) [13:27] um, I don't think he's looking to replace files, just to indicate that an icon show up for his file type ... [13:28] i don't think xfce is packaged with any of its own themes - not sure though [13:28] from google, I see that Thunar is the file manager for xfce - open Thunar and look through the settings [13:28] fluxnuk3r, well, the icon I need is already put in that folder [13:28] But it just doesn't work [13:29] I have been talking about xchm program [13:29] pip: right - it won't work until you tell the software to use it for that file type - Thunar is that software, I'm betting [13:29] what icon do you see when you have a chm file [13:29] ... go through Thunar's settings and see if it has file type settings [13:29] rk4n3: you change your icon theme in .gtkrc-2.0, not in thunar [13:29] white blank [13:30] in tango icon theme [13:30] fluxnuk3r: he doesn't want to change the theme - he just wants one custom icon for one file type [13:30] rk4n3, I have mentioned , every icon theme I installed doesn't work for chm file [13:31] Just wrong [13:31] pip: I know - you're not looking for a theme change to fix this, you need to set a custom icon for that file type [13:31] pip [13:32] from what i've looked up, there's an xml file for various mime settings [13:32] And I have the icon of the file type put in /usr/share/pixmaps [13:32] rk4n3: what I'm trying to say is that thunar does not have icon settings in it. you can't right click and chose to add an icon for that particular file type [13:32] fluxnuk3r: ah - OK, so that guess won't work out... [13:33] Well, File manager should have that function to set it but I didn't see that [13:33] pip, usr/share/xfce4/mime/some-theme.xml [13:33] pip: thunar = XFCE file manager [13:33] That looks like the key [13:34] fluxnuk3r, Yes, I know [13:34] pip: yeah, that was the guess I had too - turns out Thunar doesn't cover that part [13:35] file manager just reads from the themes [13:35] mordy: so that xml file is part of each theme definition ? ... having to customize themes seems a bit invasive [13:36] Yeah, looks scary [13:36] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] rk4ne, i'm gathering there's also a fallbacjk, but i don't see why it looks scary [13:36] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-166-107.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:36] It's not that friendly though [13:36] maybe there's a front-end for it [13:36] mordy: a fallback would be nice - its invasive to have to customize each theme, and then loose your customizations when you update the theme's version, etc... [13:37] btw, xchm even doesn't have an entry in xfce's main menu-->Office [13:37] rk4n3, i'm guessing user-installed themes are in /home or /etc - this is the default theme that ships with xfce [13:37] rk4n3: example: [13:38] seems like it would make more sense if they went by extention [13:38] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [13:38] there are less mime types than extensions [13:38] i.e. if it is a *.png file use picture.ico [13:38] so it's more conveneint using MIME types [13:38] ah [13:38] fluxnuk3r: aha - looks promising [13:39] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[13:39] whoa... [13:39] ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [13:40] Last message repeated 2 time(s). [13:40] is he trying to stream music? [13:40] ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [13:40] hahaha - slackytude [13:40] looks like a media stream in text [13:40] ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [13:40] JST IGNORE him [13:40] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [13:40] ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [13:40] eh, sorry [13:40] cat on keyboard [13:40] I dont know whe the cat likes to sit on my laptop [13:40] haha [13:40] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] hahah [13:40] ROTFL [13:40] everytime I come back, he sits on it [13:40] cat as in the animal? or did you try to cat a binary file [13:41] animal [13:41] lol [13:41] slackboy, I though I was in a heaven [13:41] slackytude, To you [13:41] why wasnt I kicked tho? [13:41] I went to a different desktop and came back and thought my computer was screwed. [13:41] lol [13:41] slackytude: seems like an attention thing - you need to pay more attention to your pussy ;) [13:41] The OP is sleeping maybe [13:41] farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [13:41] lol [13:41] rk4n3, heh, good advice [13:42] :O I was message to the OP [13:42] *messaging [13:42] I dont even know how to do those little arrows [13:42] me cat has l33t skillz obviously [13:42] » [13:42] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: "KVIrc 3.4.0 Virgo http://www.kvirc.net/" [13:42] hmm [13:43] hmm work around for Zune 2k9 is out [13:43] kitche, its a MS product, so Im guessing a reboot will do it [13:43] haha [13:44] what's zune? [13:44] lol [13:44] something to do with Microsoft and music... [13:44] meh, not interested [13:44] slackytude: next time.... lock the screen [13:44] hehe [13:45] slackytude: well a reboot would work if the thing even booted :) [13:46] fgadfo440t40-404efldkDOMINIANISAFLUFFYKITTYdlkfja;ffefiiofifw [13:46] oops, my cat walked on my keyboard ;) [13:46] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-136-109.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] rk4n3, not as l33t as mine, tho [13:48] heh [13:49] mordy (n=mordy@pool-68-160-226-210.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [13:49] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:52] kitche, URL for zune work-around? [13:53] Pa^2: http://www.i-hacked.com/content/view/273/1/1 (you need to open the zune up to do it) [13:54] Oh goooood.... [13:54] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:54] btw, just for fun and giggles, I uploaded my mugshot to slackware gallery [13:55] so, whoever has the burning desire to me, has now the chance to do so [13:56] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) joined ##slackware. [13:57] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [13:58] hey is there a way to write to iPods using Slackware? i see the device is mounted as hfsplus -o rw but it won't let me write to it [13:59] (##slackware) Channel ban on aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br expired. [13:59] ##slackware: mode change '-b aoliv*!*@*.user.veloxzone.com.br' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:00] alisonken1 (n=alisonke@38.99.247.88) left irc: Client Quit [14:01] TwinReverb, I could mount them just fine [14:01] but it's writing to them that gets me [14:02] that worked, too [14:02] TwinReverb: check ownership and permissions of all the respective directories, device files, etc... [14:02] TwinReverb: your group membership, as well... [14:03] TwinReverb, my mugshot is next to yours on the gallery, now :P [14:04] rk4n3, ok [14:04] but it was root [14:04] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-155-245.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:05] i got the "read-only filesystem" message [14:05] what is the meaning of this: sed[2947]: segfault at ffffffdf eip ffffffdf esp bfd7839c error 4 [14:05] sed[2960]: segfault at ffffffdf eip ffffffdf esp bf9cf7ec error 4 [14:05] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:05] I have seen this error before but with some other programs [14:05] like init [14:05] heh, bad hardware [14:05] your memory has gone kaput [14:06] owww [14:07] say what, I just have fixed the electrical ground installation for my computer [14:07] hope that doesn't happen to me any time soon. it would break my bank account. [14:07] freaking expensive ram [14:07] it sucks. I spent month with a machine with bad ram [14:07] :( [14:08] I'm going to reboot because of that I cant run firefox [14:08] good luck [14:08] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-155-245.epm.net.co) left irc: Client Quit [14:08] TwinReverb: hmm ... as root all that shouldn't matter - I've ran into this before - my memory is failing me though ... [14:08] Action: rk4n3 thinks [14:09] my gig of ram would set me back 1k plus [14:09] O_o [14:10] lol [14:10] not kidding [14:10] 2 x Kingston 512mb RDRAM with ECC [14:10] with heatsinks [14:10] that memory isnt worth the cost [14:10] TwinReverb, my Ipod gets mounted as vfat, btw [14:11] /dev/sda2 on /media/CITTYBIENE type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,shortname=winnt,uid=1000) [14:11] TwinReverb: this is interesting ... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=213619 [14:11] straterra: this particular stuff still sells for around $612 per 512mb [14:11] and its not worth that much [14:12] oh? whys that? [14:12] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-57.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [14:13] slackytude, he didn't set it up for windows compatibility. he set it for mac. it's hfsplus [14:13] I also forgot that it seems to happens more when the machine starts from a cold boot [14:13] Because..that memory is slow..and thats a relatively low capacity [14:13] TwinReverb: here's another - apparently you're not the only one to hit this problem ... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2005-February/021967.html [14:13] lee_ (n=lee__@adsl-149-222-179.pns.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:14] thanks [14:14] sadly, no solutions yet - wish I could be of real help :) [14:14] slackytude, rk4n3 thanks i was explaining xfs, hfs+ and inodes to my friend [14:15] so, which is best for external storeage and transfer speeds for large files? Firewire drive bay or eSata? [14:15] What OS? [14:15] Also, what chipset? [14:16] file system might make a difference there, too ... [14:16] No [14:16] lee_, depends on the OS [14:16] WinXP [14:16] Just XP? [14:16] i would personally say, if linux has good support for your esata, get that [14:16] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-170-57.epm.net.co) left irc: Client Quit [14:16] otherwise, imho, firewire [14:16] first, check what firewire version you have and that one's theoretical throughput versus the same esata version [14:17] then check linux support [14:17] err [14:17] but then, if you use winXP, and don't care about Linux, esata is what i would recommend if you can afford it [14:17] The only reason I asked waht OS is because OSX has better performance on firewire than esata [14:18] intentionally [14:18] if the chipset supports hotswap..I'd use it [14:18] good to know [14:18] And if its XP..it should [14:18] So, esata [14:19] cool .. it's for a friend, he masters music and was talking about setting up a drive bank using USB .. I thought scsi was faster for that sort of thing, but then I've been away from tech in that regard for a while .. wasn't sure about esata / firewire [14:19] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [14:19] Action: TwinReverb is a linux-only person [14:20] i_is_cat (n=i_is_cat@S010600179a22e379.ed.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [14:20] esata works well [14:20] the nagain, so does firewire..but I prefer esata when not using OSX [14:20] so external scsi has been surpassed once again .. [14:20] then again^ [14:20] lee_: external scsi is very good - but also very expensive [14:20] Well..there's SAS too [14:21] i upgraded to 12.2 now my saa7134 tv tuners sound is all choppy anyone have any clues? :S [14:21] SATA < SCSI < SAS [14:21] is SAS way too expensive? [14:21] heh [14:21] my guess is a kernel issue [14:21] worked great with the old one [14:22] Yeah..and I'm not sure of any external use with it [14:22] though, SAS controllers can take SATA drives [14:25] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-260020.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:25] lee_: I've had my eye on a SATA II multiport (via Infiniband) controller and storage array - its not as fast as SAS, but it fairly scalable and fast enough for many scenarios - probably most of what I'd need [14:26] hello [14:26] hi [14:26] ivandi (n=chatzill@bas5-quebec14-1128557016.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:27] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-6-49-244.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:29] ivandi (n=chatzill@bas5-quebec14-1128557016.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: Client Quit [14:29] thanks guys [14:34] slackytude, yeah i saw your mug shot. how many guns you got under that trenchcoat? :D [14:34] heh [14:34] barely enough for all of you -_- [14:35] :P [14:35] "it's raining lead!" (to the tune of "it's raining men") [14:36] heh [14:39] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [14:42] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-93-197-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] Shnoodle (n=0@c-69-136-122-115.hsd1.az.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:43] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!n=0@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [14:43] Shnoodle kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: Using an IRC client as root is very dangerous. Please create a user account and return to the channel under it. [14:44] Shnoodle\ (n=Shnoodle@c-69-136-122-115.hsd1.az.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:44] Is there a way to unzip files that will not use case-sensitivity, so that "My files" will always merge with "My Files"? [14:48] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer) [14:50] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.118.224.59.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:50] smax (n=bearpers@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:50] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [14:50] whats the name of the packge for monodevelop [14:50] i dont see anything in slackbuilds for monodevelop [14:51] is mono the same as monodevelop? (it's not the same on gentoo). [14:52] smax: I dont think so. [14:52] Shnoodle\: have to look at the unzip options [14:52] why would slackware include mono and not monodevelop [14:52] Mono is a Open Source implementation of the .NET Framework. Monodevelop is an IDE [14:52] smax: uhm .. you do realise that SlackBuilds.org != Slackware. [14:52] i just want to code C#. and i hear monodevelop is needed to run C# programs. [14:53] vastina (i=1000@64.215.163.3) joined ##slackware. [14:53] <_chess_> smax: b/c there might be apps that depend on mono to run? monodevelop is just an ide. [14:53] smax: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/#affiliation <-- there you go ;) [14:53] need some help finding a couple of libraries in slack 12.2, anyone home? [14:53] alienBOB, omg thanks [14:53] sounds like slackware is in the stone age like debian [14:53] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:53] Shnoodle\ (n=Shnoodle@c-69-136-122-115.hsd1.az.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:53] <_chess_> I guess we're all cave men then [14:53] smax: plus I have a feeling monodevelop depends heavily on gnome which might make it a pain to build. [14:53] Has anybody used kcall? Is it any good? [14:54] lee_ (n=lee__@adsl-149-222-179.pns.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [14:54] Action: BP{k} grunts in _chess_ general direction ;) [14:54] so if i were to ask, "Is it feasable to program C# on slackware" the short answer is no. correct? [14:54] where can I find the 32 bit libraries? I'm not seeing an /etc/lib32, or lib32 anywhere for that matter [14:54] help? [14:54] ahh, i'll just install kubuntu [14:54] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:54] smax, it should be perfectly feasible. [14:54] linux_stu (n=stuart@unaffiliated/linuxstu/x-3209) left irc: "Leaving" [14:54] libraries are in /lib, /usr/lib, /usr/local/lib. [14:55] but a big time pain in the ass. [14:55] and i hate extra typing. [14:55] james (i=james@freenode/staff/njan) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] and i hate reading. [14:55] vastina: /etc/lib should not be a normal location for library files. [14:55] smax: okay, have fun an good luck. :) [14:55] <_chess_> well, we are in the stone age and we haven't invented typing or reading yet [14:55] BP{k}: thank you buddy, also... can you help me find.... "libnss-mdns" did a whereis and no yield [14:56] vastina: 32-bit libraries are not tagged like the 64-bit librarires - standard */lib/* directories for 32-bit, and */lib64/* libraries for 64-bit are the standard [14:56] BP{k}: /etc/lib ? [14:56] alisonken1home: hey that's what he asked about :P [14:56] perfect alisonken1home, thanks... just looking for this libnss-mdns at this point, have some wine issues i'm trying to sort [14:56] BP{k}: but libs in /etc ? [14:56] :) [14:57] smax (n=bearpers@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) left ##slackware. [14:57] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:57] alisonken1home: yes I know. hier(7) would spin in its grave ;) [14:57] ;) [14:58] smax: don't let the door smax you on the way out [14:58] vastina: I don't believe that is part of slackware, You might need to install nss-mdns ( http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/nss-mdns/ ). [14:58] TwinReverb: too late or just in time? (smax ref.) [14:58] just making jokes [14:58] :) [14:58] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [14:58] BP{k}: love your answers and I'm faving this channel for help in the future, much thanks! [14:59] Anyone ever installed slackware on a MacBook? I googled it, but I didn't see many results that looked relevant. I am interested in a distro that is flexible and "different." I tried Gentoo but there were some key features masked that I needed for work this week. [14:59] smax (n=bearpers@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:59] http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=kidz%20bop&defid=1578164 [15:00] jthan: yes [15:00] alienBOB: your Wiki page on network/wireless configuration that you gave me a link to a couple of nights ago was *very* helpful, and I've got my wireless going now with WPA2 encryption. Just a great piece of work there, and I appreciate it greatly. [15:00] somnambulant (n=root@133-72.127-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) left irc: "leaving" [15:00] straterra: How long would it take me to get ironed out? NEver used slackware before but I have a pretty decent understanding of the command line and linux in general. [15:01] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:01] rworkman: the r213 build of wicd that you gave me a couple of nights ago worked like a champ. Sure appreciate that. [15:01] straterra, do you still have slackware installed on that ipod? [15:01] if you used another distro (except for maybe bsd variants), then it's actually easy to learn/play with [15:02] jthan: ^^^ - and just remember man and slackbook is your friend :) [15:02] TwinReverb: I didn't install Slackware on an iPod [15:02] jthan: not very long [15:02] I've used plenty of distros before. I'm just not sure what i'm diving into :-P [15:02] meh [15:02] its not that much harder than on a normal machine [15:03] Well the big problem with the MacBook is the EFI [15:03] Suggestions for that? [15:03] I've found slackware to be much easier to figure out since it uses historical and standard setups rather than cooked/>fixed< stuff [15:03] jthan: use bootcamp :) [15:03] jthan: but..instead of windows..install Slackware [15:04] bootcamp to partition the drive..then just boot and install like normal [15:04] straterra: Yeah. I don't have OS X on here at all right now. [15:04] all bootcamp does is partition [15:04] In theory could I use bootcamp to partition and then after my install is working get rid of the OS X partition? [15:05] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.254.197.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [15:05] don't bother [15:05] I should have OS X for firmware updates anyhow probably.. It's not a bad OS I just don't have much use for it [15:05] just pop the Slackware disk in..and it should notice the whole drive [15:05] straterra: I have never installed, obviously.. What I read there are 6 disks!?!? [15:06] half of them are source disks heh [15:06] just get the DVD [15:06] otherwise its..like..3 or 4 for a FULL install with zomgeverything [15:06] I don't have a dvd lying around. Is it possible to boot from another LiveCD and then install from usb disk or a net install? [15:07] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:07] I want 2.6.28 D: [15:07] You can install from USB media [15:07] or do netboot, yes [15:07] If you run Nvidia.. don't run 2.6.28 justyet [15:07] straterra: Any chance there is a how-to for either of those options? [15:07] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Unless you want to take the time to apply the patch for it [15:07] Dominian, Why is that? [15:08] byteframe: nvidia's lastest driver won't work on 2.6.28 without a patch [15:08] jthan: there is documentation on your favorite mirror [15:08] cool. [15:08] alkos333 (n=alkos333@adsl-99-147-194-219.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:08] What does the patch address? [15:08] byteframe: Something with building the kernel module. [15:08] as it always does. [15:09] that's one reason why I like the separated (userspace/kernel) slackbuilds [15:09] Action: Dominian nods [15:09] 2 disks give you the main setup, the 3rd disk gives you kde/kdei [15:13] Well I have to consider the whole thing... [15:13] or install from disc1/2 and use slackpkg to do the rest :P [15:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [15:13] I still have to check out slackpkg - last time I looked at it was 10.1 [15:14] Its nice [15:14] I use it on my servers [15:14] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) joined ##slackware. [15:14] I've just been using sbopkg - but now that slackpkg is part of base, I'll have to give it another look [15:14] fghd (n=fghd@94.181.196.163) left irc: "Leaving" [15:15] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [15:15] Action: Dominian nods [15:15] I'll be using sbopkg once I get up and running on my laptop... [15:15] they work great together [15:16] I think I'm going to install slackware on my laptop and slamd64 on my desktop [15:16] but.. still not sure yet about the laptop [15:16] the Turion? [15:16] ML-38, right? [15:16] I've been running slack on my laptop since 10.0 (hp pavillion) - been working fine [15:16] straterra: So you honestly think that I could get everything working if I installed slackware?? Do you have to install a wm from source? [15:16] jthan: you could get most everything working [15:17] And..no. Slackware comes with KDE and a couple other wm's [15:17] eww... Kde... [15:17] xfce? [15:17] xfce, sure [15:17] yeah [15:17] k I can live with that then. [15:17] Not a kde fan. [15:17] <3 xfce [15:17] agreed [15:17] jthan: slackware comes with basic wm (twm, fluxbox and a couple of others) with X - plus kde is on disk 3 [15:17] I think there are updated packs from robby [15:17] fluxbox, too [15:17] rworkman == robby [15:17] Well I think I'mgonna try it eventually, but maybe not on this computer. [15:18] you can always to the vm thing like a few people here [15:18] That's a thought. [15:18] Virtualbox? [15:18] RatPoison [15:18] I use VM's a lot for work [15:18] s/for/at/ [15:18] Get fluxbox on yer VirtualBox [15:18] RatPosion? [15:18] I prefer VMWare myself [15:19] ratpoison is another lightweight wm [15:19] still learning all the keystrokes for RatPoi [15:19] heh [15:19] straterra: yeah [15:19] straterra: why do you ask? and its ml-34 actually [15:20] oh, 34? [15:20] 2 GHz? [15:20] Socket 754 :D [15:20] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:20] cweagans (n=cweagans@c-68-50-151-148.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:21] straterra: hang on let me see [15:21] the 32 was 1.8ghz [15:21] So..I assume the 24 is 2ghz [15:21] yeah ml-34 [15:21] 1800 is what it says [15:21] so 1.8 [15:21] err [15:21] the 32 was 1.8 [15:22] Action: Dominian shrugs [15:22] Action: slackytude goes to prty [15:22] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:22] the 34 is 1.8GHz too [15:22] thats..lame [15:22] happy new year [15:22] Processor clock speed: 1.8GHz [15:22] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: "off" [15:22] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [15:22] it will be a happy new year tomorrow :) [15:22] It will be ahppy new year when bush is out of office [15:23] Dominian: one more week [15:23] or in about an hour and an half [15:23] alisonken1home: longer than that [15:23] alisonken1home: Jan. 20th is the swear in [15:23] ok - 2 more weeks, then :) [15:24] I have this bootable ISO. How can I "burn" this to my thumbdrive (I want to boot from my thumbdrive instead of a cd)? [15:24] hehe [15:24] that date is just the official swearing in, not the effective replace date [15:24] dd if=file.iso of=/path/to/usb [15:24] Dominian, this will copy all of the information needed to make it bootable? [15:24] cweagans: yeah [15:24] as long as the image is bootable, yes [15:25] excellent. and the /path/to/usb: is that the mount point or the device node? [15:25] device node [15:25] dd if=/your/sweaty/ass of=/bath/tub [15:25] nope - the actual device node, like /dev/sda (if your thumbdrive is recognized as /dev/sda) [15:25] you guys are awesome. #fedora wanted me to use some giant shell script =P [15:25] nukedclx (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:26] shell script does some extra stuff that dd won't do - dd just takes the bytes in and shoves them into bytes out [15:26] cweagans: hah.. wow [15:26] <_chess_> there is going to be an upgrade to sbopkg very soon with several new features and improvements. may want to check in the next few days. [15:26] alisonken1home, that's all I want =D [15:26] alisonken1home: which I see no point in considering the .iso file is already loaded with the info needed [15:27] Dominian: should be - true. but it's in iso9660 format which may give some coughs on a usb drive - haven't tried it so don't know [15:27] aye [15:28] I guess we'll find out =D [15:28] :) [15:29] _chess_: Thanks! [15:31] garme (n=garme@189.17.54.86) left irc: "Leaving" [15:31] Nick change: _mina86 -> mina86|aw [15:31] Nick change: mina86|aw -> mina86 [15:34] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [15:34] anyone figure out how to change the encryption used for shadow on stock slackware 12.2? [15:35] i still can only do it using PAM on a modified slackware [15:36] IIRC - it's how passwd and crypt are compiled as far as the algorythm used - have to look at those two to see how it's changed [15:36] dissociative (n=dissocia@adsl190-28-187-40.epm.net.co) joined ##slackware. [15:36] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:37] passwd comes in the shadow suite and there are no configure options regarding passwd. libgcrypt-config --algorithms shows that crypt supports sha [15:37] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: "[BX] Been around the world and found that only stupid people are breeding." [15:37] it works with PAM enabled but not on a stock slackware system [15:37] anyone had problems running konqueror outside of kde under slackware 12.1? [15:38] nullboy: sorry - s/passwd/shadow/ and crypt [15:39] after everything i have tried and checked on, i don't think it is possible to do on a stock slackware system [15:39] i think we're stuck with basic md5 [15:40] nullboy: my guess is since pat uses the stock setup, then other algorythms need to be recompiled for support - so default slack probably doesn't do it [15:40] nothing had to be recompiled as far as algorithms go for PAM do it though and the stock libgcrypt supports sha [15:40] in the case of PAM, PAM is being a helper [15:41] then it would be in the configuration, then - and pat uses the standard configuration by default [15:41] well, at least pam thinks it's being a helper [15:41] TwinReverb: have you ever even configured PAM? [15:41] do you know how it even works and what the problem was way back when? [15:42] nullboy, no i was only joking [15:42] what should I use in slackware to load additional kernel modules? /etc/rc.d/rc.local or /etc/modprobe.d/ [15:42] may want to look at /etc/identd.conf, then (WAG on my part) [15:43] i use /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.local [15:43] eh.. [15:43] You can use either [15:43] dissociative: /etc/modprobe.d if you know what you're doing with them, otherwise /etc/rc.d/rc.local [15:43] I usually do /etc/modprobe.d but rc.modules.local is much easier [15:43] leonardoav (n=leonardo@189.114.236.182.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [15:43] s/rc.local/rc.modules.local/ [15:44] oh btw.. there is one drawback to using rc.modules.local [15:45] If that file is found.. and is set to be executable... that's the ONLY kernel module file that will be used.... [15:45] in fact rc.S even states that iirc [15:46] alisonken1home: i've looked at the login.defs documentation for linux, hurd and unix type systems and get this, Ubuntu has an option called ENCRYPT_METHOD with arg options of DES,MD5,SHA256,SHA512 but that option is not valid on slackware [15:46] start rc.modules.local with something like this: [15:46] and it's not even in the standard login.defs manpage [15:46] http://rafb.net/p/FpXh0d12.html [15:46] nullboy: I was just reading that file as well [15:46] hehe [15:47] the option to disable or enable md5 is there but i can't make the system use sha* no matter what [15:47] nullboy: although, there is an MD5_CRYPT_ENAB entry in there [15:47] yeah [15:47] only applies to MD5 though [15:47] i tried it in a vm [15:49] the ENCRYPT_METHOD is probably a setting for a modified login program - look at agetty or whatever the login listener is [15:49] cweagans (n=cweagans@c-68-50-151-148.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:51] alisonken1home: i just might have to install ubuntu or debian to see wtf they did [15:51] to the trusty VM cave Robin!! [15:53] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [15:53] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.146.29) left irc: "Auribus teneos lupus: I hold the wolf by the ears" [15:53] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:54] i believe ubuntu uses PAM by default [15:54] slackware doesn't [15:55] iirc. someone correct me if i'm wrong please. [15:55] I believe that is correct [15:55] Action: Dominian can check the ubuntu part real quick if you want.. but I"m sure it uses PAM [15:55] Getting PAM working in slackware isn't all that hard.. just tedious [15:56] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.146.29) joined ##slackware. [15:56] i didnt bother, the reason i needed PAM was for RT priority [15:56] AbortRetryFail: ubuntu can go either way, slackware doesn't have PAM by default [15:56] i used set_rlimits instead [15:57] AbortRetryFail: i integrated PAM into 12.2 too, with the help of scripts and other stuff i found across the internet [15:57] kamaji_ (n=kamaji@handtomouse.demon.co.uk) left irc: "leaving" [15:57] talking about default installs here. There's nothing really stopping you from using it or not using it with either one. [15:57] nullboy: i was not aware of that :) [15:57] still haven't upgraded to 12.2 yet [15:57] 12.0 -> 12.1 broke a bunch of stuff for me so i've been holding off. [15:59] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.254.197.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:59] 12.0->12.1 wasn't a problem for me - I just kept /home as a separate partition and installed after wiping the non-home partitions :) [15:59] 12.1 -> 12.2 was pretty well seamless.. only had issues with my tvtuner sound and that turned out to be a sox problem [16:01] all i do is make separate /, /home and /usr partition and after ive upgraded, everything is pretty well the same as it was [16:04] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) joined ##slackware. [16:05] Action: alisonken1home uses /boot, swap, /, /usr on hda and /spare and /home on hdb [16:05] hi all, what's the difference btwn slapt-get-0.9.12e-i486-1as.tgz and slapt-get-0.9.12e-i486-1as.tgz.asc ?? [16:05] on single disk systems, it's /boot, swap, /, /home [16:05] SpacePlod (n=spaceplo@pdpc/supporter/active/spaceplod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:06] what does the .asc mean? [16:06] it all depends on how the particular user wants it [16:06] what i have works for me [16:06] ascii armored signature file? [16:06] limpio: *.tgz is the archive/package, and *.tgz.asc is the md5sum of *.tgz to check if the archive has been tampered with or d/l incorrectly [16:07] alisonken1home, thx buddy [16:07] .asc is just the historical (think msdos) 8.3 extension for a plain ascii text file [16:08] np [16:08] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [16:08] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left irc: Client Quit [16:08] uhmm, .asc is not md5 sum. it's a gpg signature [16:09] sorry - the intent is still the same :) [16:09] it's a hash check to see if the original .tgz file has been tampered with/changed/not saved correctly [16:10] pupit (n=p@93.86.1.190) left irc: "Leaving." [16:10] i always thought asc was what i typed, an ascii "armored" signature [16:11] that _assumes_ that someone from ms-dos days actually had armour :) [16:14] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [16:14] i had a bunch of problems with X and xfce between 12.0 and 12.1 [16:17] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:17] well, I _did_ have to blow away my .kde* directory and a few others to get kde (and some other apps) to reintegrate, but other than that installing fresh instead of upgrading does have it's advantages [16:18] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-174.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [16:19] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) left irc: "Saliendo" [16:19] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [16:20] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [16:20] heret|c_ (n=heretic@adsl-176-73-197.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] hrm.. slackware updates [16:22] mozilla-thunderbird only [16:22] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [16:24] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-185-54.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [16:25] volo (n=volo@84.224.7.227) joined ##slackware. [16:25] that's what I like to see - minimal security updates :) [16:25] hello [16:25] hola [16:25] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:27] anyone knows a way to linking a additional computer to my adsl modem if the modem only has single eth interface and my pc uses it [16:27] I was thinking about making a network bridge with a additional network card [16:28] could you link your modem into a router or switch? [16:28] dissociative: switch [16:28] no, that seems an expensive solution, and I use pppoe [16:28] Use a switch [16:28] happy new year :) [16:28] to make the connection work [16:28] linksys 5-port switchis cheap [16:28] bye [16:28] volo (n=volo@84.224.7.227) left ##slackware. [16:28] limpio (n=macondo@cpe-00155805d6a1.cpe.cableonda.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:29] yeah switches are cheap [16:29] Dominian: I need to control the pppoe connection and firewall from my own computer [16:29] it has to be running in my pc [16:30] http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124005 [16:30] ok [16:30] Yeah you can do an extra network card in bridge if that's what you want to do [16:30] but it sounds like overkill to me [16:30] what kind of DSL modem is it? [16:30] what's the model? [16:30] speedtouch 510v6 [16:30] I'm lucky I've got a permanent static IP assigned to my router which I use for 4 PCs and my kid's macbook [16:31] personally, I just slap an extra nic in the desktop and use the desktop as a router [16:31] leonardoav (n=leonardo@189.114.236.182.adsl.gvt.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:31] but that's a linux thing - MS is supposed to have the option available but we know how well that works :) [16:31] dissociative: is that a bridge only modem? [16:31] hitest: I work for the ISp so I have a static IP too hehe [16:32] nice [16:32] its working as a bridge as far as I know because its firmware is crap [16:32] dissociative: hrm.. well I would configure the modem to do PPPoE and get a switch [16:32] Action: Dominian shrugs [16:32] easier that way [16:32] or do what I did.. stick three cards in a server.. turn it into a firewall and use it ;) [16:32] I get some problems doing that way [16:33] eh.. ok [16:33] heret|c (n=heretic@adsl-232-63-77.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:34] like portfowarding and the modem has its owns telnet ports and http ftp ports open that way [16:34] even http interface listening to internet addresses by default [16:35] and configure it is a nightmare [16:35] dissociative: Well, I'm saying that if you're going to bridge the modem.. then yeah.. stick another card in your box.. configure it as a bridge or what not.. and go from there [16:35] I'm going to try that [16:35] it works [16:35] I've done it before.. long ago [16:36] nukedclx (i=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [16:36] but I dont know which eth card should I buy now [16:37] just about any that's supported by linux should be fine [16:37] better one without firmware [16:37] I guess [16:37] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [16:38] check out the hcl at LQ for a good card [16:39] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [16:42] foldings1ock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:42] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-21.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:44] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!n=0@* expired. [16:44] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!n=0@*' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [16:46] the intel cards are all good [16:46] the 100's or 1000's all work great [16:47] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [16:48] exmachina (n=exmachin@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:49] I would like one with two eth interfaces [16:49] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) joined ##slackware. [16:49] man u guys are fancy peoples. [16:49] eh? [16:49] i just buy cheap rtl cards [16:49] usually a dollar :D [16:49] IIRC, rtl cards switch to broadcomm chips not too long ago - or am I thinking of a different card? [16:49] i know nullboy is rich but man. he must poop monies [16:49] heh [16:50] dissociative: i use an intel Pro/1000 dual port [16:50] dissociative: it's a solid card with two interfaces [16:50] anyone uses chmsee ? [16:51] Action: foureyes779 uses whatever he can get [16:51] lol [16:51] i have never used a chinese. but they have good food [16:51] I still have a pile of ISA cards somehwere around here.... [16:51] no pip, but i will now [16:52] right now ? [16:52] foureyes779 i have like 10 of those dang things still no one wants them at all [16:52] i can pip [16:52] mrselfpwn, Okay, just check it if the package's md5sum is failed [16:52] mrselfpwn, Do it [16:52] yes sir [16:52] : ) Thanks [16:53] is it safe to delete the contents of /tmp/SBo after you install a pkg ? [16:53] what do you mean by safe ? [16:53] if you want - I usually move the packages somewhere else so I don't have to recompile until an upgrade [16:53] yes u dont need the files after you have installed the pgk [16:53] pip: will it affect the pkg at all ? [16:53] or use sbopkg and modify the config to use a different directory [16:54] btw is there a good filesystem for a separate /tmp partition [16:54] Action: foureyes779 doesnt have a lot of HD space [16:54] dissociative: tmpfs [16:54] foureyes779: nope - that's just a temp workarea for sbo [16:54] that'll mount it in to RAM though [16:54] so beware [16:54] what pkg, the installed pkg ? I don't think so [16:54] lol [16:54] tnx [16:54] my /tmp partition has to be like 5GB [16:54] or more [16:54] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [16:54] dissociative: just make it whatever you want it to be [16:54] reiserfs, ext3, ext4, xfs, jfs.. take your pick [16:54] im down to 663M on my / partition [16:55] then you just forget about it [16:55] I moved /tmp to /home/tmp since that's where my largest space is located [16:55] vastina (i=1000@64.215.163.3) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:55] mrselfpwn, what's happening now ? [16:56] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [16:57] i sec buddy [16:57] 1 [16:57] of that's just great the gnu.org link to the shadow suite site is dead [16:57] and the shadow suite site's ftp is dead too [16:57] slackware is using shadow-4.0.3 and the current stable is 4.0.11 [16:58] actually, 4.0.11.1 [16:58] pip, get http://www.linuxpackages.net/pkg_details.php?id=12196, but first install http://packages.slackware.it/search.php?v=current&t=1&q=chmlib [16:58] and you will be golder [16:58] golden [16:59] I already have chmlib installed [16:59] then click the first link [16:59] and uninstall any failed attempts you already made [17:00] anyone see valkyrie? [17:01] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-174.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:01] I had chm(something) installed - works ok with the php help file [17:01] I just installed the above said package and it works. [17:01] on 12.2 [17:01] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:01] I installed on 12.1 and worked fine for me [17:03] strike that - I installed kchmviewer (with libchm) [17:03] ahh [17:04] gave me a desktop link under K->Utilities->KchmViewer [17:04] not bad not bad [17:05] i'm kdeless [17:05] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.243.133.wireless.dyn.drei.com) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [17:06] what would you suggest for a light weight virtual machine app to use to run XP micro for one application? [17:07] wine [17:07] i don't think it will work [17:07] it [17:07] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:07] which application [17:08] it's for my magickjack [17:08] If you want a full virtual machine, VirtualBox might work. It even has a seamless mode which, I'm told, works in Linux. [17:08] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ok, thank you ccfreak2k [17:09] www.magicjack.com [17:10] KVM is good too [17:11] mrselfpwn: only software or is hardware needed too? [17:11] both [17:11] it is a usb device that has a phone jack on it [17:12] which you plug a standard phone into to make calls. [17:12] Baically VoIP. [17:12] yes [17:13] mrselfpwn: I don't know about kvm, but it probably gives you access to usb devices. Virtualbox does only with the binary (puel) version [17:13] ah, i see [17:13] ganeshix (n=ele@rrcs-24-103-182-132.nys.biz.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:14] just imagine how crappy the voice quality has to be [17:14] it is fine in regular XP [17:14] mrselfpwn, You must use seamonkey, don't you ? [17:14] o boy i have seen everything now. have you guys seen this? http://www.redorbit.com/news/technology/1616171/microsoft_files_patent_for_payasyougo_computing/index.html [17:15] no pip [17:15] though it is installed [17:15] that's what I meant [17:15] Just as a backup. [17:15] Okay [17:15] You know ? chmsee needs seamonkey are a dependency [17:16] *as [17:16] I thought I saw that. [17:16] okay [17:17] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@63.238.104.170) left irc: "Leaving" [17:17] saw that article a couple of days ago [17:18] wtf is microsoft thinking [17:18] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl11-24-21.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:18] just trolling... [17:18] "Cloud Computing - The MS Way" [17:19] exmachina (n=exmachin@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:19] yes, my dad predicted that they would get pay as you go eventually [17:19] that PC would go obsolete and you would pay to use software at a terminal [17:20] oww [17:20] yes [17:20] Cloud COmpiling. [17:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [17:20] Cloud Compuking [17:20] that would hurt open source quit a bit i think [17:20] Cloud Comparing [17:20] ...that makes sense [17:21] exmachina (n=exmachin@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:21] I wont like doing my own computing being in someone's else computer... [17:21] how would it hurt open source? i would see it as helping [17:21] how lotec? [17:21] not really - hardware margins are so razor thin that mfgs would be trying to cut costs of expenses (which MS is _definitely_ an ongoing expense) [17:21] linux moto: why pay as u go pay a little and use all u want [17:21] cloud computing for the loss [17:21] yes [17:21] and sure have to accept terms of use for that crap [17:22] renew (n=renew@c-67-169-112-184.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:22] the only people that would benifit from using this would be say a school. or library [17:22] I'm saying if computer manufacturers jump on the band wagon [17:22] well, you do that now for many things (like cell phones, MS firewall software, any software, etc.) [17:22] and only sell pay as you go PC or PC terminals [17:22] well i am sure a few would. but i am sure there will be some that will not [17:22] hmm [17:22] mrselfpwn i could see dell doing it or gateway [17:23] or the crap comps they sale at walmart [17:23] yes [17:23] how about voodoo pc or whatever [17:23] no way would they do this. [17:23] Probably right [17:23] I would hate to have to buy a pay as you go terminal, it would be so annoyinh [17:23] annoying* [17:23] or Mac for that mater [17:24] lol i can see the MAC comercial now. [17:24] anyway It's almost like using gmail [17:24] the pc guy is talking and he stops. the Mac guy has to swipe a card on the pc guy to get him to talk again [17:24] lol [17:24] lol [17:24] haha [17:24] nice [17:24] I wonder what mac users think of all this [17:25] rk4ns i think it does not bother me. [17:25] I'm sure Apple would love a slice of that pay-as-you-use pie [17:25] though, you are right lotec [17:25] rk4ns why would they? [17:25] I'm a mac user [17:25] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:25] some manufacturers will not follow [17:25] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:25] i think the commercials are misleading and stupid [17:25] Apple definitely has a "get everything from us" attitude [17:26] i don't like Apple lol [17:26] for that reason [17:26] godling (n=wmd@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [17:26] straterra, commercials are supposed to misleading and stupid [17:26] then they do their job [17:26] commercials seem to be the future of mass-media entertainment [17:26] the problem is..its not just the commercials [17:26] Apple in a way isnt very different from M$ you know [17:26] /agree [17:26] apple is just as bad as MS [17:26] its the whole user mentality as a whole [17:27] 'zomg no defrag or anivirus and it never crashes ever!' [17:27] agreed - user mentality is a huge aspect [17:27] bullshit [17:27] everything has exploits...everything breaks [17:27] straterra: actually there was a release from apple about using an antivirus program [17:27] straterra: Everyone poops. [17:27] the only thing i have against apple isn't really against apple itself but more about the sheeple cultish following [17:28] haha - the catholic version: noone poops but you, and that's concentrated evil coming from your backside [17:28] the price is a BIG deterrent.... [17:28] exactly nullboy [17:28] straterra, do you run antivirus on slackware? [17:28] foureyes779: the price is set by the sheeple thougl [17:28] though [17:28] straterra http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/01/apple_now_encourages_antivirus_use_for_mac_os_x.html [17:28] and that they charge so much for the name [17:28] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-122-75-178.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [17:28] nullboy: That's not really specific to Apple, though; there are fanboys for lots of stuff. :) [17:29] antivirus on linux is used to filter files/emails destined for MS machines [17:29] linux has its own set of sheeple. not many in slackware though [17:29] I was really hoping that in the next few years the price would come down some [17:29] how does HFS stack against Ext3 ? [17:29] heh [17:29] i still like ntfs [17:29] I would like to see soon an antivirus that scan source code for malicious code :) [17:29] ewww NTFS [17:29] ntfs isnt bad [17:29] lol [17:30] ehhh [17:30] it really isnt [17:30] straterra, its not that good either [17:30] its not 'open' [17:30] either is hfs [17:30] hfs plus that is [17:30] ntfs is a decent file system [17:30] for speed [17:30] low fragmentation, compression, encryption... [17:30] its not slow [17:30] it just has issues - MS issues, that is [17:30] its better than fat16, and probably better than fat32 [17:31] straterra, ntfs fragments alot [17:31] yes [17:31] its tons better than ANY fat style fs [17:31] yup [17:31] err, ntfs doesnt fragment a lot [17:31] other stuff does..like the nt pagefile [17:31] i do like my mac book. but i am compairing a mac to an hp laptop i am sure an IBM laptop would be more on par and problem run just as good [17:31] it did for me when I used it [17:31] all filesystems fragment to an extent [17:32] just a matter of how it fragments, not if it fragments [17:32] and..with that..i gotta go..at the girls [17:32] hell mac fragment to. your suposed to run a cmd on it every 2 weeks [17:32] straterra: girls? [17:32] lol [17:33] I've never had ext3 fragment on me as badly as ntfs has [17:33] yes [17:33] aceofspades19: how do you check how much ext3 has fragmented? [17:33] I actually heard it might be bad to attempt to defragment ext3 [17:33] because of how it writes [17:33] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [17:33] nooper, there is a shell script somewhere that I found along time ago [17:33] hmm [17:33] I think its on the gentoo wiki [17:33] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [17:33] or something like that [17:34] inode-based file systems aren't very sensitive to fragmentation - it has to be really extreme to make much of a difference [17:34] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:34] i know it leaves space after files for extra data to be written [17:34] antoni (n=antoni@27.Red-79-153-207.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:34] as opposed to ntfs [17:34] cmd to run on mac sudo periodic daily weekly monthly [17:35] ntfs just shoves everything in I believe [17:35] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:35] mrselfpwn: its not specifically that it "leaves" extra space - it happens naturally because the inodes point to fixed-size blocks [17:35] is see rk4n3 [17:35] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [17:36] gnubien (n=e@121.252.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:37] there's also alot of interesting theory around the efficiency of writing full files at a time instead of checking blocks to see if they individually need to be written ... it gets deep, and there's pros and cons either way, but I believe traditional *nix inode-based file systems have proven themselves to have a very good balance [17:37] pookiewookie_ (n=opera@86.100.65.204) left irc: [17:37] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:41] here's a question - I notice that when I build the kernel, the "build" directory populated with the modules ends up being just a link to the full source directory - if I want to redistribute that kernel with modules and headers, how do I include just the right stuff without the entire source tree ? [17:41] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Operation timed out [17:44] toast10101 (n=toast101@ip70-179-142-227.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:45] exmachina (n=exmachin@cpe-98-27-168-254.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Connection timed out [17:46] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@69.18.80.209) left irc: "Bye Bye" [17:47] http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/source/k/kernel-generic-smp/kernel-generic-smp.SlackBuild [17:47] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] might shed some light BUT [17:47] BUT ........ [17:47] (he's typing) :) [17:48] heh [17:48] rk4n3: do a tgz while not copying symlinks [17:48] (_._) [17:48] alisonken1home: hmm. ... wouldn't that give me a copy of the entire kernel source tree ? [17:48] foureyes779: I STILL say that looks like something I wish my wife did more often :) [17:49] rk4n3: since /lib/modules/kernel is a link, depending on the options to tar - no [17:49] heh [17:50] alisonken1home: ah, I see what you mean - but that would leave out the headers, too ... which I think I'd want [17:50] sorry - /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build is the link [17:50] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [17:51] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] starting from root, build a tar file specifying the directories to include, like "tar -czvf /kernel-.tgz ./usr/src/linux/include ./lib/modules/$(uname -r) .... [17:51] or - list all files individually in a file and use that as the input filelist to tar [17:52] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) joined ##slackware. [17:53] yuck, don't touch headers [17:53] godling (n=wmd@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "Lost terminal" [17:54] alisonken1home: ah, ok I see what you're getting at there... I guess my question is more specifically about what exactly should I include ... I thought the "build" subdirectory under modules would be a good indication, except its the entire source tree, which doesn't seem to help [17:54] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.233.7) left irc: Connection timed out [17:54] not for a package that just needs header files, no [17:54] Action: rk4n3 wonders if nullboy is still typing some tome of insight ... [17:55] godling (n=wmd@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [17:55] later all... [17:55] stupid x server [17:55] bye [17:55] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [17:55] nope - nullboy was just noting exceptions that everyone else here probably already knows [17:55] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] lol [17:56] I think he is still typing. [17:56] alisonken1home: so would you think that /usr/src/linux/include is basically what I need for headers ? [17:56] haven't worried about it - so I wouldn't know since I just use the header files from the slackware packages :) [17:56] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.62.160) joined ##slackware. [17:56] if you install new headers, glibc will not be happy [17:57] nor will any binary you try to run [17:57] you bastards [17:57] OK, I'm not talking about overwriting the headers package, I'm talking about the headers that things look for under /lib/modules//build ... if they don't match the running kernel, some software can't build properly [17:58] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.41.134) joined ##slackware. [17:59] i have copied a individual file over to /usr/include/linux from /usr/src/linux/include on occasion, its a dirty trick to get some software compiled, it worked [17:59] I *was* going talk about the system headers and also that the configured source tree may be needed under certain circumstances [17:59] heh [18:00] IIRC, /usr/include/linux should be the headers that system runtime libraries were built with, and /lib/modules//build should be the headers that match the running kernel ... is that correct ? [18:01] Pig_Pen: it is better to soft link /usr/include/linux to /usr/src/linux/include/linux dir [18:02] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "This computer has gone to sleep" [18:03] if you soft link your kernel in /usr/src to linux, you won't have to worry about what files you have copied where everytime you upgrade yor kernel [18:04] foldingstock (n=foldings@68-117-248-108.dhcp.mtgy.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. 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[18:05] i only done one file, i saved the original and restored it when i was dine [18:05] done* [18:05] ... as in, when I put the kernel and modules on another system [18:07] nullboy: I think your first suggestion is sounding good - I'll see if I can follow the example of what the kernel slackbuild does [18:09] i give up. i've been wadding through an ocean of debian patches for shadow suite but i still can't figure out how to make shadow use sha instead of md5 on a stock slackware system [18:09] the problem is ".. stock slackware system" [18:09] yep [18:10] and when i say ocean....i mean it http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-shadow/debian/trunk/debian/?rev=2338#dirlist [18:10] this is close http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-shadow/debian/trunk/debian/patches/300_SHA_crypt_method?rev=2338&view=log [18:11] Pig_Pen: was only a suggestion, so your kernel headers match the kernel you have installed and you don't have to worry about copying or backing up files. [18:12] ljubak (n=ljubak@cable-89-216-185-54.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [18:12] xdan779: only works if you keep the kernel source tree around and unchanged from your compile [18:12] Shrp_ (n=Shrp_@c-98-207-187-200.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: "GONE!" [18:13] farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [18:13] xdan779: I'm trying to create a redistributable set of files - I don't want to recomile again on every box, I just want the kernel, modules, and headers that I compiled on the "master" system to go nicely into other systems in the "correct" places [18:14] s/recomile/recompile [18:15] ... but, I think maybe the slackbuild will help enlighten me, so off a-reading I go :) [18:16] The version of the kernel headers don't have to match the version of the running kernel. [18:17] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.62.160) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [18:17] The kernel headers have to match the version that was used to compile glibc. [18:21] nullboy: whats the point when shadow uses salt? [18:21] ##slackware: You are failing to entertain me. I am unentertained. [18:21] SiegeX: i know it uses salt but i want to make this work with sha256,sha512 or even blowfish [18:21] since crypt can do all that [18:22] as an exercise, ok, but the gain is marginal at best [18:22] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [18:22] it's always an exercise [18:24] isn't the linux kernel just some exercise too? ;) [18:25] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) joined ##slackware. [18:26] just wanted to make sure we knew that just because md5 has raindow tables out there doesnt mean that your shadow file == instant hax0r [18:26] Buggaboo (n=bug@535398F0.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:26] you kernel needs plenty of exersise, you dont want a flabby kernel :D [18:27] SiegeX: thanks, but that is not my reason [18:27] i have sha512 and sha256 working in /etc/shadow but only via PAM [18:28] s4mur4i (n=s4mur4i@189.81.41.134) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:28] nullboy: how? [18:28] using PAm [18:28] M [18:29] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. 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[18:34] godling: i hadn't really gotten into it either since slackware doesn't use it but i decided to figure it out [18:35] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] vastina (n=vastina@206.105.111.186) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:36] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) joined ##slackware. [18:44] Why doesn't Patrick like it? [18:44] it adds a certain amount of complexity to the system [18:44] I see. [18:46] He does tend towards simplicity, I guess. [18:46] Razec (n=Razec@189.56.183.198) joined ##slackware. [18:49] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:50] +1 for "USB Installer for Slackware", thanks alienBOB :) [18:52] raela (n=raela@cpe-075-176-151-122.sc.res.rr.com) left irc: "later" [18:53] souljas (n=tony@147.sub-75-202-27.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:54] redtricy1le (n=redtricy@adsl-70-231-227-127.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:54] oxon (n=oxon@lk.84.20.246.189.dc.cable.static.lj-kabel.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:55] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [18:56] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) joined ##slackware. [18:56] godling (n=wmd@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "return 255;" [19:00] well found out my issue with firefox3 and bad display of webpages .... [19:01] When running "sh create_multipartboot.sh -h", I am assuming I have to have the USB in the drive, right? [19:02] Happy New Year guys :) [19:03] starbrze_ (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:03] starbrze (n=dani@d-206-53-76-241.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:03] Happy New Years! [19:04] Happy New Year:) [19:04] net3 (n=net3@p54B587D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [19:05] still seven hours away for me but Happy New Year to you, and ##slackware. :) [19:05] net3 (n=net3@p54B587D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:05] uhvo (n=priit@82.131.108.4.cable.starman.ee) left irc: "[BX] Harry Potter uses BitchX. Shouldn't you?" [19:05] oh geez, I forgot my smiley thingy, here :) [19:05] happy happy the f*********cking slackware lacks everything ... even the source code formater [19:06] paul424: thanks for that comment. A Happy New Year to you too! [19:07] heeep sometimes the emotions take over me ;D [19:07] you must be from west europe [19:08] central, but close ;) [19:09] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.174.27.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [19:10] pprkut: any source code formater, please [19:11] smica (n=smica@pool138-50.cable.tolna.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:11] gregsparc_ (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) joined ##slackware. [19:11] paul424: sorry, no idea. never used one, never needed one. [19:11] Nick change: gregsparc_ -> gregsparc [19:12] paul424: hi paul424 [19:12] \o\ \o| \o/ |o/ /o/ [19:12] hi tinky winky, hi poo, hi lala [19:12] \o\ \o| \o/ |o/ /o/ [19:13] Action: rk4n3 entertains godling [19:13] Action: limac fears for rk4n3 [19:13] :) [19:13] awww... he quit ... all that jazzercising for nothing [19:13] toytoy (n=dindin@122.55.131.72) joined ##slackware. [19:15] i am wishing i was fishing ><))))'> [19:15] do you have a directory tree by default in /home/ftp? [19:15] I believe so [19:15] ... seems to get put there every time I install [19:16] apparently I don't. [19:16] dunno why, maybe because I used slackpkg for upgrading? [19:16] hmm ... maybe its one of the packages that does it, and you're skipping that package ? [19:16] aww I hate maybes! [19:16] I wouldn't think an upgrade would delete it [19:17] sitwon (n=adam@pool-71-191-246-79.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:17] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:17] darn, so the only way to make a dir tree would be to do it from a slackware iso image? [19:18] ah, if you just want it created, just do it - I believe it gets created empty at install - nothing under it [19:18] drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2006-08-06 20:50 ftp [19:18] simple as that [19:20] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:20] so by default there is nothing under it? [19:20] correct [19:20] cool! [19:20] and the only way to create one will be from the iso? [19:21] I would think a "mkdir /home/ftp" as root would do just fine [19:21] how do i install the astyle formater ./.. does anyone own a prebuild package ? [19:21] rk4n3: well, I do have /home/ftp but there is nothing in it. [19:22] limac: that should be correct then - what's the issue you're encountering ? [19:22] help ME [19:23] paul424: can you rephrase the question ? I don't follow ... [19:23] rk4n3: oh ok, because I was trying out the USB slackware, and I was wondering the easiest way to create a dir tree. [19:23] paul424: well, does slackbuilds.org have it? [19:23] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/development/astyle/ [19:23] there ya go. [19:24] ok thanks very much [19:24] limac: there are a number of easy ways ... if you have the dir tree in a tar file, just untar it and it will create all the dirs. If you want to manually create it, the "mkdir" command, with a -p option will create whatever directories you ask for including their "parent" directories [19:25] paul424: you can even use vim for source code formatting: http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Indenting_source_code [19:25] limac: of course, you'll want to pay attention to ownership and permissions, as well [19:26] alienBOB: what *can't* you use vim for ;) [19:26] hey, alienBOB, I hae uno question, for the "USB installer for Slackware", when we execute the command "sh create_multipartboot.sh -h", is it run assuming we have the flash drive in the drive? [19:26] s/hae/have [19:27] s/in the drive/connected. [19:27] limac: no, it creates a big image file in /tmp/slackboot which you have to transfer to a USB stick later on [19:28] A flash drive is not needed while you run the script [19:28] Happy 27 minutes past GMT new year, all. [19:28] alienBOB: gotcha, thank you :) [19:28] Wed Dec 31 18:28:42 CST 2008 [19:28] about 5 hours to go here [19:29] Thu Jan 1 01:29:06 CET 2009 [19:29] Wow, a minute off - drinkin makes me type slowly :) [19:29] But I must maintain accuracy [19:30] rk4n3: the directory tree can be found as a tarball? [19:30] limac: no, I was just saying *if* you have the dir tree in a tarball, it creates them nicely [19:30] http://www.itwire.com/content/view/22500/53/1/1/ [19:30] rk4n3: aw, that would have been cool if I did. [19:30] but I don't. [19:32] pprkut (n=hwiesing@77.116.243.133.wireless.dyn.drei.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:33] limac: if I had to create a huge dir tree from scratch, I'd probably create a list in vim using whatever editing techniques would help automate it, and then run the list text file through a command something like: cat list.txt | sed "s/^/mkdir -p /" | ksh [19:34] wow, that seems complicated. [19:34] better than just typing in raw by hand :) [19:34] rk4n3: does that include any sort of bash? [19:35] limac: well, bash is a shell - I use ksh instead [19:35] "s/ksh/bash/ [19:35] limac: yeah, it'd work with bash too [19:35] rk4n3: as in the language? [19:35] Nick change: ClaudioM_ -> ClaudioM [19:35] limac: nah, that's just a couple commands [19:35] cat and sed [19:35] oh ok, that's a relief. [19:35] Action: limac looks up sed [19:35] sed is cool, check it out [19:36] how do I search for a single word with grep, I remember that I had to use something like [19:36] but It doesnt work [19:36] grep "word" filename ? [19:36] ... | grep file [19:36] esters (n=esters@84.237.169.56) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:36] s/file/ [19:36] limac: get "learning the bash shell" or "learning the korn shell" by O'reilly.. they're both good reads :) [19:36] but it can match password also instead of word [19:36] grep " word " filename would look for the word surrounded by spaces [19:37] limac: what are you trying to achieve? [19:37] and what about if the that string is at a end of line or the beginning [19:37] BP{k}: yea, I really wanna learn bash quickly, but now I am learning C, after that bash :) [19:37] IntangibleLiquid (n=Intangib@115.73.51.215) joined ##slackware. [19:37] alienBOB: create a directory tree under /home/ftp/. [19:38] a directory tree of 12.2 for the USB. [19:38] YOu mean, you want the whole slackware-12.2 directory tree there? [19:39] If you have the Slackware DVD, then it is not hard to do. Otherwise, you need to mirror a tree from a Slackware mirror server [19:39] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.174.27.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [19:39] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: [19:39] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [19:40] But, if yo uhave the DVD, and don't want to copy all the stuff, the create_multipartboot.sh script can use the mounted DVD just as well [19:40] alienBOB: I have the DVD for slackware 12, and since then I have been using slackpkg for upgrade, so now is downloading an iso and then making a tree from the only way? [19:40] Ah [19:40] You have a 12.0 DVD? [19:40] Yes, then you would need a local mirror. Downloading an ISO is not necessary, - [19:41] Action: limac goes back to make sure [19:41] yup. [19:41] If you download http://www.slackware.com/~alien/tools/mirror-slackware-current.sh [19:41] grep -v 'word' [19:41] sorry - grep -w 'word' [19:41] k/quit [19:41] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "[BX] Man and mouse alike, both end up in pussy" [19:42] alienBOB: execute that now? [19:42] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [19:42] dissociative: grep "\" filename [19:43] And then run it as "mirror-slackware-current.sh -r 12.2 -X none -o NONE -l /home/ftp/pub" it will download all of slackware-12.2 to ~ftp/pub/ [19:43] zOMG, slackware rocks !!! [19:43] cat | grep -w 'word' [19:44] limac: the script can create ISO images for you if you want that, too [19:44] alisonken1home: ah, that's a nice one too ... I just found the other neeto technique ... \< matches beginning of word and \> matches end of word (similar to ^ and $ for line) [19:44] The commandline would the be "mirror-slackware-current.sh -r 12.2 -X none -o DVD -l /home/ftp/pub" [19:44] ah yes [19:45] rk4n3: lots of fun things you can do with pipes :) [19:45] alisonken1home: indeed :) [19:45] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:46] alienBOB: hmm, it says aborting now. mirror-slackware-current.sh: line 351: I: command not found [19:46] The commandline would the be "mirror-slackware-current.sh -f -r 12.2 -X none -o DVD -l /home/ftp/pub" or else it will not create the toplevel directory slackware-12.2 for you... [19:46] Eh? [19:46] Lemme see [19:46] Blech! [19:46] Wrong upload, wait [19:46] _S4MUR4I_ (n=s4mur4i@189.81.63.31) left irc: Connection timed out [19:47] hehe [19:48] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:48] OK try to download again limac [19:48] from the same link? [19:48] alisonken1home: I think its cool that no matter how long I use these commands (going on close to 20 years now), I still pick up little tricks here and there [19:49] I've been using them since ~1993, so I know what you mean [19:49] limac: yes same link, updated script [19:49] ok cool! [19:50] alienBOB: and then the "mirror-slackware-current.sh -f -r 12.2 -X none -o DVD -l /home/ftp/pub" ? [19:50] Be sure to use something like wget and not a browser, because that may cache the old version [19:50] ah ok. [19:50] limac: that command yes - if you want a DVD ISO [19:50] ... kinda reminds me of guitar chords/techniques ... been playing for 30 years and still learn neat stuff every time I pick the thing up [19:51] Add a "-v" if you want to see more feedback as the script is working [19:51] okie doks [19:53] alienBOB: yup that script sure was a success! [19:53] Good [19:53] It will take some time to download all those GB of course... [19:54] alienBOB: so can I use the same script for the future slackware versions as well? [19:55] Yes. By default (leave off the "-r 12.2") it works on slackware-current but with the "-r" parameter you can target any official release [19:55] Run the script with just the "-h" parameter to see what it can do for you [19:55] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [19:56] And if you get masochistic, look inside the script :-) [19:56] haha :) [19:57] thank you very much alienBOB :) [19:57] pretty helpful scripts. especially the mkinitrd one. saved me a lotta time. [19:57] Have fun with it. I use it to keep an uptodate local mirror of -current [19:58] This is what my crontab has: [19:58] # Keep the Slackware -current tree in sync: [19:58] 22 5,15 * * * /usr/local/bin/mirror-slackware-current.sh -q -X none -o ALL [19:58] sweet [19:58] It will send you a nice email every time slackware-current gets an update - showing you the updated part of the changelog, and providing you with fresh new ISO images [19:59] If you do not need ISO images, change "-o ALL" to "-o NONE" [20:00] okibisan (n=okibisan@68-184-167-144.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] alienBOB: I have to sign up or anything? [20:00] smax (n=bearpers@24.115.113.214.res-cmts.brd.ptd.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:00] For what? [20:01] The cron deamon will send you that email, if you have setup sendmail on your computer and also your email aliases... [20:01] ahhh..... [20:01] hehe, ok now clear. [20:02] wolfrat (n=wolfrat@81-46.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch) joined ##slackware. [20:02] Does any one here have any inkling as to how to remove this vile software known as 'compiz-fusion' from a slackware 12.2 install (running xfce4, window decorations have disappeared, etc). Basically I just want to be able to use the computer and have the dekstop act like it used to [20:02] alienBOB: not sure if you saw my thank-you several hours ago, regarding your wiki page regarding network/wireless setup help, especially WPA/wpa_supplicant. It really helped me a LOT, and I'm happily using WPA2 encryption now. I really appreciate the pointer. [20:03] I hate my life. Here dsghrfre [20:04] all I want to do is use my freakin' desktop [20:04] I was stupid to have tried installing compiz [20:04] danc3: glad it helped you [20:04] wolfrat: compiz-fusion is not part of Slackware [20:05] danc3: which link? [20:05] FUCK the fuckers in #linux told me to come here [20:05] thrice`: he gave it to me last night, just a sec I'll post it [20:05] Only compiz. The -fusion part is not. [20:05] Heh, #linux. [20:05] Did you install a Gnome add-on for Slackware wolfrat? [20:05] Er, sorry. [20:06] thrice`: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [20:06] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) joined ##slackware. [20:06] I followed some instructions I found in a forum post on some site [20:06] they seemed pretty out of date so I had to install a ton of 12.1 packahes in 12.2 :S [20:06] ah, neat :) [20:06] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:06] packages* ydsad [20:06] wolfrat: see, that's when things decide not to work :) [20:07] wolfrat: yer screwed [20:07] I am using xfce, I was trying compiz with emerald [20:07] "dunno, things weren't working, so I decided to install a bunch of old packages" [20:07] lol [20:07] on christmas day my hdd somehow got corrupted and I lost a huge amount of stuff, the system was fucked, and before then, I had everything running perfectly, compiz, the whole lot. Now I have nothing, I can [20:07] 't even get mplayer working again [20:07] wolfrat: compiz help is over there --------------> in the ubuntnoob channel [20:07] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Leaving" [20:08] and I lost my backups because my laptop fucked up as well [20:08] my life sucks [20:08] alienBOB: when issuing the "sh create_multipartboot.sh" command, will its image size be the full 4GB? (my flash drive is 4 GB) ? [20:08] and a happy new year!!! [20:08] wolfrat: That's poor, mate... but I'm afraid you'll need to write this one off as a learning experience. [20:08] Sorry :/ [20:08] wolfrat: dig out those CD's [20:08] LnxSlck: wow, that came pretty late :P [20:09] I am going to become an amish farmer [20:09] limac: run it with "-h" to see how you can use it. Without parameters it will create a 256MB image (rescue install) [20:09] to hell with this technology [20:09] okibisan (n=okibisan@68-184-167-144.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:09] wolfrat: a constructive attitude [20:09] wolfrat: will you grow beets for me to buy? [20:09] neuro_sys (n=neurosys@unaffiliated/neurosys/x-283974) joined ##slackware. [20:09] limac, i'm working right now... [20:09] cuz I'm cool with that [20:09] briareus: of course [20:09] limac, only now i had the time [20:10] alienBOB: ah alright. [20:10] wolfrat: perhaps slackpkg can assist in cleaning your system [20:10] alienBOB, happy new year to you [20:10] rworkman, happpy new year to you [20:11] wolfrat: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware-12.2/slackware/ap/slackpkg-2.70.5-noarch-1.tgz in case you do not have a DVD handy [20:11] LnxSlck: (07:02:12 PM) BP{k}: Happy New Year guys :) (07:03:40 PM) limac: Happy New Years! (07:04:15 PM) hitest: Happy New Year:) (07:04:52 PM) chopp: still seven hours away for me but Happy New Year to you, and ##slackware. :) [20:11] LnxSlck: you missed the party. [20:11] limac, i'm at work right now =( [20:11] wolfrat: read the docs: http://slackpkg.org/documentation.html before you start using it [20:11] alienBOB: too late :/ [20:11] LnxSlck: thanks, best wishes fir 2009 to you too [20:11] =) [20:12] I am starting off with "slackpkg clean-system", it sounds like it might do cool stuff [20:12] wolfrat: if the system still runs in runlevel 3 then nothing is too late [20:12] okay [20:12] I guess I will have to get used to using lynx, irssi, and vim [20:12] no more gui for me [20:12] All the better for you [20:12] Good on ya, alienBOB... I wouldn't touch that whole situation with a stolen bargepole :) [20:12] Slackware user _must_ be familiar with the commandline [20:13] lw0x15 (n=izap@78-105-255-246.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [20:13] yo happy new year [20:14] alienBOB: everything seems perfect so far. I have to go right now. Thank you very much for the help! Happy new Years :) [20:14] wolfrat: "links -g" is as graphical as you can get a browser in the console. [20:14] oh, this is peculiar, I can startx from the root account, probably because it is still set to blackbox, and not xfce [20:14] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [20:14] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. [20:14] alienBOB: ok, is that for framebuffer consoles? [20:15] Well wolfrat then use xwmconfig to change the window manager for your account [20:15] wolfrat: yes FB console [20:15] alienBOB: ok, I will check it out [20:15] xwmconfig is a console command btw [20:16] ok, my accuunt is working with blackbox now [20:16] You can also just move ~/.xinitrc out of theway in your homedir... probably that contains all the evil compiz stuff [20:16] I suppose this is for the better anyway, >I've heard that blackbox consumes less system resources [20:16] compiz is the spawn of satan [20:17] If you feel that blackbox is adequate for your box then you should not even have started with compiz, wolfrat.... [20:18] compiz is a fine piece of software, but I guess that the HOWTO you used was a stinking pile of shit [20:18] I wanted fancy transparency effects and rotating cubes :3 I was greedy [20:18] Anyway, I'm off [20:18] I thought that form was more important than function [20:18] goodnight [20:18] happy new year [20:18] wolfrat: Think about your electricity bills :) [20:18] And try fluxbox ;) [20:18] okay [20:19] I'm running fluxbox now [20:19] seems nice, I'll look for themes for it on google [20:20] Yeah, cos chtulhain got dropped for some reason. [20:20] t4k3r0n (n=takeron@189.174.122.152) joined ##slackware. [20:20] *cth.. [20:22] wolfrat, you may also want to have a look at openbox [20:23] okay [20:23] Artwiz is nice (for fluxbox) [20:23] LnxSlck: Why's that? :) [20:23] fuzzix, it's great [20:25] New not syn packets need to be really dropped in a firewall? [20:25] wolfrat: compiz dont work with fluxbox, according to fluxbox. What you CAN use is compmgr and xorg.conf settings for render and compositing [20:25] KDE/Openbox - *puke* [20:25] GNOME/Openbox *double-puke* [20:25] What are they on? [20:25] I guess that it has to be from legit traffic if goes to open destination ports [20:26] cricket[b] (n=cricket@76.210.239.83) joined ##slackware. [20:26] briareus: I don't think I will by messing around with compiz again anytime soon..tonight was a disaster lol [20:26] I've heard that beryl works well though [20:26] repsol (n=repsol@ip70-171-222-139.tc.ph.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:26] wolfrat: fluxbox blog straight up says it wont work with compix [20:26] compiz [20:27] fuzzix, what do you like then? [20:27] beryl no longer exists really [20:27] wow, you have to set your background through a command in fluxbox, that's neat [20:27] wolfrat: or using Esetroot or feh or whatever [20:29] LnxSlck: Erm... fluxbox. [20:29] fuzzix, oh you meant OpenBox inside KDE? [20:30] LnxSlck: It's on the front page of their site. They clearly have no confidence in themselves as a *box. [20:30] ;) [20:30] fuzzix, no really... i use openbox by itself [20:30] asarch (n=asarch@189.188.146.29) left irc: "Auribus teneo lupum: I hold a wolf by the ears." [20:31] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [20:31] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "Leaving." [20:32] IceW (i=old-time@189-18-160-154.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [20:33] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left ##slackware ("It's not your problem."). [20:34] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:34] root__ (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Client Quit [20:35] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aeja248.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:35] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [20:36] wolfrat (n=wolfrat@81-46.104-92.cust.bluewin.ch) left irc: "goodnight sweet prince" [20:37] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:39] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@194.65.138.120) left irc: "Saindo" [20:40] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [20:40] my wife called me the "Human garbage disposal" because i made a burrito with leftover spaghetti and scrambled eggs [20:40] cweagans (i=44329794@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b1221426d811c90e) joined ##slackware. [20:41] my wife calls me the human garbage disposal since I eat the leftovers from their plates as well as some other things (like peanut butter, mayo, egg sandwitches) [20:42] yeah yeah! no sense in seeing good food go to waste [20:43] how funny i just had leftover spaghetti about 30 mins ago [20:44] I have an ISO for Fedora 10. I have no blank CDs, but I do have a thumbdrive. Is there a reliable way to move the contents from the iso to the thumbdrive (and make the thumbdrive bootable)? 'dd if=f10.iso of=/dev/sdb' did not work. BIOS returns 'Operating System not found.' [20:44] (currently running Slackware 12.1 [20:44] ) [20:44] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:45] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [20:45] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [20:47] Herman (n=Hermann@h-158-16.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [20:47] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.216.168) joined ##slackware. [20:48] so many keysytrokes, so little time [20:49] foureyes779: http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/ae83 <-- This'll help with that. [20:50] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) left irc: "Leaving" [20:51] neat [20:51] I want a version of this that only sends F1 at random times. [20:52] heh, the "annoyatron" [20:52] how comes there seems to be a screen session attached and dettached at same time lol [20:52] cweagans (i=44329794@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-b1221426d811c90e) left irc: "http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client" [20:52] foureyes779: I have one of those. [20:53] 3397 ? Ss 0:02 SCREEN -S bittornado [20:53] 3752 pts/4 S+ 0:00 screen -r bittornado [20:53] I could always setup my own radio-stream with the annoyAtron..lol [20:54] thats great... [20:54] FriedBob: I've been real tempted to place an annoyatron into hospital equipment but my conscience gets the better of me [20:55] hahha, the mosquito would be great. we have a housefull of kids here [20:56] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [20:58] FriedBob: whats the deal with that logo of your's, i opened it with both gimp and photoshop and the filters section is all blanked out like the file was read only [20:58] I need to get 1 of those for work [20:58] Pig_Pen: Want a copy of it in the GIMP format? [20:58] slip it under one of the blackjack dealers table's, then go gamble on my break... [20:59] paul424 (n=chatzill@k165-242.KREDKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]" [20:59] naw, i can use Save as... and select other formats, i can make an animated gif out of it :D [21:00] FriedBob: tnx for the link. [21:00] pi31415 (n=pi31415@c-98-246-78-78.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:00] Np [21:00] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:01] FriedBob: what is the highest resolution of that logo do you have? [21:01] if there is a key logger on your machine, and you ssh into another machine, will it still detect what you type after you are in the other computer? [21:01] Razec (n=Razec@189.56.183.198) left irc: "Leaving" [21:01] i like to edit graphics while their big, then when i get it the way i want it to look i can scale it down to the proper size [21:01] mrselfpwn: not if it's just watching the keyboard device [21:02] ahh ok [21:02] afaik [21:02] If it is hardware, like the one thinkgeek sells, it will. [21:02] right [21:02] sherique (n=se@207.193.28.210) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] that makes sense [21:03] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) left irc: "When two people dream the same dream, it ceases to be an illusion. KVIrc 3.4.2 Shiny http://www.kvirc.net" [21:05] need to get busy again on some of my artwork [21:05] what is the picture we are discussing if you don't mind me asking [21:05] Pig_Pen: I think my originals are on my Mac, which is out of commission till my new ac adapter arrives. [21:05] But the file I used to create that logo is 200x200 [21:05] slack logo? [21:05] And I do have that on my desktop. [21:06] No, personal coat of arms / logo for a game I play. [21:06] ahh [21:06] Hey, everyone, good to see you all hanging out on New Years' Eve [21:06] It's New Year's Eve? [21:07] when you get the ac adapter post load it up somewhere so i can download it [21:07] Desperado667 (n=Miranda@207-255-100-078-dhcp.unt.pa.atlanticbb.net) joined ##slackware. [21:07] Hmmm, Let me check again... [21:07] Wed Dec 31 20:07:26 CST 2008 [21:07] Question - I know that kde4 was in the testing folder on slack-current before it became 12.2 [21:07] Pig_Pen: It would not have been much bigger than 200x200 [21:07] but in 12.2 it seems to be gone [21:07] just under four hours left here [21:07] yet still in -current [21:08] Likely not tested enough [21:08] kde-4.x is not ready for prime time [21:08] can I use the -current files with 12.2 without making any other changes [21:08] heh, clubpenguin.com is cute [21:08] in other words Pat does not consider it stable enough for a release [21:08] mrselfpwn: http://tinyurl.com/82gcsu [21:08] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) joined ##slackware. [21:09] SpyKee (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:09] understood, but it was dropped from the testing folder at release time [21:09] oh, that is pretty cool [21:09] is that typical for /testing [21:10] pirates on 6925KHz USB [21:10] http://imagebin.org/34709 my Slackware penguin [21:10] it was too big to fit on the DVD :< [21:10] spiki (n=spiki@85.222.135.2) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:10] hes got a santa hat :D [21:10] heheh [21:10] Pig_Pen: I'm gonna try to redo it from scratch, at 640x400 [21:11] need to clean it up, buit not sure what to do next [21:11] So, can I use the -current files with 12.2 without making any other changes? [21:11] i found making stuff like that is best to start out big and when you get the grapgics effects & filter work done just right then you can scale it down when every thing else is done [21:12] filter work ? [21:12] Pig_Pen: Yeah. I know how to do everything I need to do for this. Except one "minor" details. [21:12] foureyes779: For blood splatter mostly [21:12] heh [21:12] that only happens once a month [21:13] too much information, LOL [21:13] jk [21:13] you need to simulate lighting effects with the blood reflecting/shining from the light [21:13] heh [21:15] i have adobe photoshop running with wine and the filters have some cool effects, you can make it look like those shiny icons like they had a light shining on them [21:15] and many other things [21:16] cool [21:16] i noticed that logo has something like it, that light spot on the top left part of the outside circle [21:16] icefusion11 (n=icefusio@189.26.108.56.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [21:17] mc [21:17] HAPPY NEW YEAR GUYS [21:18] Happy New Year [21:18] What are your linux new years resolutions? [21:18] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.137.127) joined ##slackware. [21:18] Happy New Year [21:18] to NOT crash my system in a weeks time... [21:18] Happy New Year!!!!! I still have a little under 6 hours here on the west coast of BC, Canada. [21:18] lol [21:19] haaa! [21:19] hitest: you in Vancouver ? [21:19] nope [21:19] hitest: i'm bra zilian =D [21:19] northern bc [21:19] hitest: i'm brazilian =D [21:19] Prince Rupert [21:19] bye bye [21:19] icefusion11 (n=icefusio@189.26.108.56.adsl.gvt.net.br) left ##slackware ("Acessem: http://icefusion.web44.net/"). [21:19] im in Port Angeles, almost due south of Victoria [21:19] SoCal [21:19] cool [21:20] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:21] alisonken1home: you get any snow down there at all ? [21:22] It is -2 Celsius up here in Northern Canada.......how is everyone else doing? I have malt beverages to warm me:) [21:22] hitest: where in NCan? [21:22] Prince Rupert.....quite close to Alaska [21:22] it is flating around frerezing here in NW Washington [21:22] floating [21:22] brrrrrrr [21:23] great day here in Perkasie, Pa. dropped from 38 to 25 in 4 hours and the winds went to 30-50mph [21:23] no snow tho. [21:23] ooh, gotta make a beer run before the stores close [21:23] yah [21:24] My beer is in the fridge:) [21:24] foureyes779: before the stores close? what kind of place is that where on NYE the stores close? [21:24] -8 Celcius Northern Pa [21:24] we have a little store out here where I live, otherwise I gotta drive 20 miles into town [21:25] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [21:25] hitest: -2? it's -22 in Edmonton. [21:25] oh [21:25] sherique (n=e@207.193.28.210) joined ##slackware. [21:25] well - get moving. What's NYE without beer?? [21:25] hmm, buy LOTS of the cheap stuff, or a little of the good stuff [21:25] chopp: Holy crap, man, that is dak side of the moon weather [21:26] dark [21:26] decision's decision's decision's [21:26] just browsing imagebin and found http://imagebin.org/34691 [21:27] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [21:27] mrselfpwn: who is that ? [21:27] i don't know [21:27] imagebin is a wealth of entertainment [21:27] hitest: I remember the days when I was on the rigs, working in like -70 with the windchill. :( [21:28] I'll say. http://imagebin.org/34704 [21:28] yeah [21:28] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:28] oooo lala [21:29] chop: That is insane.....you're a braver man than I:) [21:29] i kinda like imagebin.org/34709 [21:29] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:30] Nice! [21:31] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:31] Edmonton - having engine block heaters in cars is a necessity. [21:31] [Arch_Slax]Draco (n=Draco@121.70.216.168) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [21:32] gm152: thats for sure. [21:34] well, have fun and Happy New Year to everyone !!! [21:34] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) left ##slackware. [21:35] Heh, we're wusses over here on the West Coast, we whine if it is 5-10 below zero. [21:35] anyone know of an app like keepass, only console based? [21:35] whats keepass like? [21:35] it works great [21:35] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:36] Gimped (n=Gimped@adsl-76-229-89-214.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:36] http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/keepass/ [21:37] hitest: I used to work north of Ft Nelson, and it was cold there too. [21:39] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [21:41] did anyone had this erro: # Start vboxdrv [21:41] if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv ]; then [21:41] /etc/rc.d/rc.vboxdrv start [21:41] Channel flood from LnxSlck -- kicking [21:41] fi [21:41] # Start vboxnet [21:41] LnxSlck kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [21:41] chopp: We had a bit of snow last night, a foot or so......had to shovel for a bit. Nothing like what you face. Ft. Nelson.....that looks cold....North east BC [21:41] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.137.127) joined ##slackware. [21:41] crappy paste [21:41] sleepy time for me, laters all, happy new year [21:41] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [21:42] bye:) [21:45] Dinner awaits me........bbl [21:45] hitest (n=chatzill@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 [SeaMonkey 1.1.14/2008122618]" [21:46] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:46] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) joined ##slackware. [21:50] grrrr, I have this webcam almost working, pissin me off. [21:55] almost is not bad at all [21:56] an 'image' comes up but its scrolling noise [21:56] but it is true that its 'connecting' [21:57] i finally got the common-{auth,password,session,account} files working [21:58] Vic1ous (n=Vic1ous@75-120-154-112.dyn.centurytel.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:58] souljas (n=tony@147.sub-75-202-27.myvzw.com) left irc: "leaving" [21:59] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] foureyes779 (n=theron@unaffiliated/foureyes779) joined ##slackware. [22:03] w000t [22:09] gh (n=gh@unaffiliated/gh) joined ##slackware. [22:11] Pa^2 (n=GrumpyPa@adsl-074-236-254-006.sip.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [22:16] does anyone know if theres a place you can upload mp3 files and listen to them. kinda like google docs but for music [22:17] eh [22:17] isn't that kind of pointless? [22:17] why? [22:18] ps. on google docs you can add urls too [22:18] :P [22:18] hehe [22:19] kinda like imagebin.org, but for music ? [22:19] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1366 [22:20] yeah kind of [22:20] whats this imagebinmania today? [22:20] way of temp storing images [22:21] sahko: I just found out abt it, so it's like a new toy for me ! [22:21] i prefer omploader. theres even a script to upload stuff from cli :) [22:22] sahko, now.. that is cool [22:22] http://omploader.org/ompload-268 [22:23] ooh ooh ooh, new toy !!! [22:25] dorayakikun (i=1000@114.58.92.239) joined ##slackware. [22:26] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [22:28] Nick change: mina86 -> mina86|aw [22:29] i can't still find a way to install a new Plasma theme in KDE4 [22:34] supergear (i=1000@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:34] http://omploader.org/vMTJ1eg/J3ffr3aka.mp3 me g00fin around on the guitar [22:35] can someone give me a tip on what to do with this? I can't really tell from reading the desc or the other files http://www.slackware.com/~alien/slackbuilds/xawtv/build/ [22:37] I think I get it, one of these builds goes with one of the tgz in the /pkg/ above [22:37] oh, the .tgz is already a full blown slackbuild [22:38] sorry, I didn't get that [22:38] I had all those pieces and it was already done [22:38] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [22:40] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [22:40] that link work ? [22:41] DarkHelmut (n=mbrennek@playground.unspunproductions.com) joined ##slackware. [22:42] xplkernel (n=flavio@189-72-139-11.bsaco701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:43] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.137.127) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:43] its better to use ext4 than ext3? [22:44] acidkill (i=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:44] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:45] LSD` (n=ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [22:48] dissociative: a few people in here have done the migration already and they say that part went well but it's only been about a week since it has been stable [22:49] well, in stable at least [22:52] werkudoro (n=MtvIRC_u@202.93.37.90) joined ##slackware. [22:56] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: [22:57] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:57] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [22:57] by migration you mean reformating the partition? [22:57] superGear (i=superGea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:57] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:58] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [22:58] you can enable it without reformatting [22:58] xplkernel (n=flavio@189-72-139-11.bsaco701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:58] nullboy, cool, how do i do that? [22:59] http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4 [22:59] vinnie_ (n=kvirc@unaffiliated/vinnie/x-178932) joined ##slackware. [23:00] sweet south park movie is on [23:00] woot [23:00] Action: Dominian has that on DVD [23:00] i got it on an ISO :D [23:00] does that count? [23:00] where is defined pythonpath in slack-12.1? [23:00] hehe [23:01] i have nothing to do. [23:02] lotec: Help me with figuring out how to draw a triskele in GIMP then. [23:02] it's a quiet happy monday in my small little mountain town [23:02] dude [23:02] are u cerial? [23:03] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) left irc: "Leaving" [23:03] Am I a what? [23:03] FriedBob: Inkscape. You'll thank me later. [23:03] cerial [23:03] jkwood: Is it free, and will it run on Windows? [23:03] Yes and yes. [23:03] Action: FriedBob googles. [23:03] why not download a pre made image? [23:03] http://omploader.org/vMTJ1eg/J3ffr3aka.mp3 me g00fin around on the guitar [23:03] Well... I think so. [23:04] http://www.inkscape.org/download/?lang=en [23:04] Yep. [23:04] lotec: I did that for my rough draft, doesn't really le me do what I need [23:04] supergear (i=supergea@c-67-166-1-173.hsd1.co.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:04] well i would help but i got to um..................... [23:04] It's vector graphics. Takes a little time to learn, but you can be EXTREMELY productive once you get it. [23:04] wash my socks yea i got to wash my socks [23:05] lotec: Don't bother lying. [23:05] Lies! Hobbits don't wear socks! [23:05] jkwood: Have you seen what I am tying to remake? [23:05] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [23:05] i suck at drawing anything [23:05] i cant even draw a straight line [23:05] FriedBob: Nope. [23:06] lotec: That's the beauty of vector graphics. It's all lines and curves. [23:06] when i started working they had us drawing maps of the buildings we were going to be installing our voicewise boxes in. I could not do it :D [23:07] werkudoro (n=MtvIRC_u@202.93.37.90) left irc: "used MtvIRC 2.1" [23:07] i dont have .profile, how i can create one without change default config in salck-12.1, i see /etc/profile but i dont know how to create one for my user? [23:07] jkwood: http://s441.photobucket.com/albums/qq138/thefriedone/logo1.png [23:08] ovnicraft: emacs ~/.profile then type what you need in there, then save and quit. Or use whatever other inferior editor you want. [23:08] ;) [23:08] i think ill go get some cerial. u bunch of donkey raping shit eaters [23:08] Thurin1 (i=Thurin1@modemcable014.162-200-24.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:09] lotec: that's why you should always lock your screen when you walk away. [23:10] what about /etc/profile? is the same thing? [23:10] also i dont have .bashrc [23:11] Did you create a /etc/skel/.profile or /etc/skel/.bashrc prior to creating the user? [23:11] The /etc/profile is, IIRC, a global one that is used if there is no local. [23:11] lock my screen why? [23:11] FriedBob, i dont create them [23:12] lotec: I don't do either of those. [23:12] At work I do. We are required to. [23:12] jkwood: why not? [23:12] LOL [23:13] Action: jkwood noobfarms [23:13] rworkman: It's a huge nich market man. You know how much people pay for videos of that? [23:13] i remember anyone here help me with that, one instruction solve my prob, but i lost my laptop, this is new :( [23:13] jkwood: I got it [23:13] hey dont be noobfarming me [23:13] other people pay for this shit dont give it away [23:14] _paco_ (n=cem@unaffiliated/paco/x-456320) joined ##slackware. [23:14] <_paco_> rep 2 all [23:14] FriedBob: :) [23:14] lotec: Technically, we're noobfarming FriedBob. [23:14] Definitely. [23:14] I knew what I was doing. [23:15] And what I was saying. [23:15] well it is good to know FriedBob is into shit pron movies [23:15] lotec: If the money is right, I'll be whatever you want/need me to be. Cash up front, no refunds. [23:15] Smart man. [23:16] bleh [23:16] lol [23:16] rworkman: got my black Slackware Tshirt for Christmas (XL). washed and dried and shrunk to about a medium :/ no good for 6-4 220lbs :\ [23:16] FriedBob want to rotisserie a young donkey with me? [23:16] i get the mouth side :D [23:17] lee555J5: oh no :/ [23:17] rworkman: does Pat exchange :) [23:17] lee555J5: will it fit me? If so, I'll buy it from you [23:17] SM177Y (n=sm177y@24-231-128-51.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) left irc: "BitchX: nine out of ten doctors recommend it" [23:18] gynterk (n=gynterk@unaffiliated/gynterk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:18] Damn. I just realized how ugly the old lilo screen was. [23:18] yeah [23:18] there is a log for this channel? [23:19] There's supposed to be. [23:19] rworkman: fit you probably better than me. I'll have it Tuesday if your there. [23:19] \/topic [23:19] jkwood: Is there a way to make the elipses and such expand from center in this app? [23:19] lee555J5: not sure if I can be there, but I'll try. How much? [23:20] I think > does it. [23:20] + and - to zoom in and out. [23:20] {} to rotate [23:20] Action: jkwood fires it up to make sure [23:20] It did. [23:21] I'm a little out of practice, but I've still got it. :) [23:21] Also, you can import a bitmap, and work on top of that, doing tracing and whatnot. [23:22] jkwood that what she said [23:22] yay aMule 2.2.3 is out [23:23] Now to try to figure out how to hold C-M-> while dragging the mouse... [23:23] Nope, that doesn't do it. [23:23] rworkman: well, in a perfect world, enough for me to buy an XXL. :) But, for you, a special deal: list price, no tax, and free shipping :) [23:23] FriedBob: use 2 fingers? [23:23] lotec: In bed? [23:23] 2 fingers plus pinky. [23:23] rworkman: Heck, I'll even let you buy my beer. :) [23:24] lee555J5: oooh, you pay my gas too? :) [23:24] well if u want to. but u might want me to start with something smaller [23:24] lee555J5: sounds good; I'll try to make it there Tuesday night. I think House is moving to a different night of the week anyhow :) [23:24] jkwood: I can draw it as a circle now, and I can draw it from the center... Now to figure out how to do both at the same time. [23:24] rworkman: Monday [23:24] jkwood: i dont want yea pink socking on me the first time :D [23:24] rworkman: good show [23:25] Indeed :) [23:25] Just DVR it. [23:25] lotec: So just how much have you had to drink? [23:25] FriedBob: Hmm... Uh... No idea. [23:25] a few [23:25] heh [23:25] Catoptromancy` (n=Cato@c-68-62-246-115.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:25] Just checking. [23:26] rworkman: I'll have it there if you want it. I also got lots of questions. :) [23:27] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] i want a slackware shirt. but people look at u weired in airports. [23:27] Shift drag will center it, ctrl-alt-drag will lock the aspect raio. Looks like you can combine them - shift-control-alt-drag [23:27] i wore my not even norton can protect u shirt and everyone looks at yea weird [23:27] Pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: "Good luck and see you later" [23:27] FriedBob: I don't have a DVR, believe it or not :) [23:27] lotec: you sure it was the shirt? [23:27] lee555J5: okay, that works. I'll make a good effort to be there. [23:27] We ahve 2, one for me and one for my wife [23:27] lol [23:28] lee555J5: :( [23:28] Actually, shit-ctl-alt didna work. :/ [23:28] lotec: :) [23:29] FriedBob: try shit-gold-brick. [23:29] FriedBob: I've never actually tried that key combo. :) [23:29] rworkman lol [23:29] rworkman: I have, but it makes taxes a mess. [23:29] Ooh, I bet. [23:29] rworkman that just about made me spit beer on my mac book lol [23:29] I'm drinking too, fwiw. :) [23:32] No alcohol for me, or weed.. but I do have prescription percocet that could be used for recreation tonight :P [23:32] I better take it now, only 28 minutes until 2009! [23:32] im drinking champagne [23:33] well, sparkling wine [23:33] Nice [23:33] i cant afford real champagne from france [23:33] I would take a few good hits from a gravity bong, but I don't have any weed and have been clean for half-a-year. I don't want to blow my streak quite yet. [23:34] stitchman: yeah we had a bottle of bubblies earlier tonight :D [23:34] Lol, you guys and your eloquent drinks [23:34] Do you drink it with your pink out? [23:34] pinky* [23:34] Tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [23:35] Desperado667 lol [23:35] i am proud to say i havent smoked anything for four years and counting :) [23:35] Sherique: no fucking way am I going that long... [23:35] I'll go insane [23:35] everyone on the east cost of the US should be in #freenode-newyears [23:35] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [23:35] :D [23:36] Desperado667: nah, I just swig it straight from the bottle ;) [23:36] For those of you in other timezones, that will have the end of the year come before it does here, PLEASE do not tell me how it ends. I don't like spoilers. [23:36] lol [23:36] Lol, that's good to know. Don't need a pompous shit in here :P [23:37] lotec (n=lotec@pool-96-228-178-93.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:40] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@unaffiliated/catoptromancy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:40] What are the opinions of #slackware regarding the 2012 Mayan prophecy? I don't believe it, but IF (big if) it is true, we're one year closer... :O [23:40] Regardless, we are one year closer to the end. [23:40] heh [23:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [23:41] Lol, I'm not trying to be THAT pessimistic about it :P [23:41] I'm an optimist, like Muphey. [23:41] But that is true [23:41] Err, Murphey [23:41] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-68-50-102-109.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [23:41] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [23:41] Tecky (n=jkroll@cpe-67-240-26-1.nycap.res.rr.com) left ##slackware. [23:42] I'm kind of optimistic about the end too, but only if I get to pull my own death plan as planned. [23:43] Desperado667: You won't. [23:43] I've already seen it. [23:43] Seen what? [23:43] How you die. [23:44] Oh, awesome. [23:44] The when wasn't so clear though. [23:44] Care to enlighten me, Cleopatra? :P [23:44] Sorry, I had to sign an NDA [23:45] Damnit, fucking politics. [23:47] vdsy (n=vdsy@S01060019d1f79250.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [23:47] I want to die while steaming a live camera which I have mounted to the top of my shoulder, extended in front of me and pointing to my face, while I'm doing every drug imaginable in tolerable amounts while free-falling from an airplane and broadcasting myself bashing every person I ever hated, while also telling everyone I love how much I love them and how much fun I'm having before I die. [23:48] streaming* [23:48] mmm beer [23:49] xdan779 (n=daniel@s233-75-207.nap.wideopenwest.com) left irc: "Konversation terminated!" [23:50] usr13_ (n=terry@63.149.173.1) joined ##slackware. [23:55] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [23:56] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-164-57.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Thu Jan 1 2009