[00:00] SharkBait, like I said I've only ever used the xorg open source driver [00:00] wat: otherwise, /quit, as rworkman suggested, will "QUIT" the program (IRSSI), therefore "minimizing" as in "killing" the app. [00:00] just run /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 stop [00:00] dive: Would you be able to paste your xorg.conf in pastebin for me to have a look at? [00:00] wat: and I suppose this is still not what you want to do. [00:00] SharkBait: http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux/linux-radeon.html [00:01] SharkBait, sure a sec [00:01] SharkBait: is that the same driver? [00:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [00:01] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [00:01] ok. what the hell [00:01] wat: if you realy wanna learn your way trough slackware, you need a friend that will help you, imo. [00:01] my mouse has lost its button assignments [00:01] agentc0re: thats where i got the drivers from ( the 4800 series ) [00:01] nullboy: good question. Jittery? [00:01] Nick change: _NaCl_ -> NaCly [00:01] SharkBait: and it's 9.1? [00:01] my 4th button is now apparently set to close the focused window [00:02] agentc0re: 9.1? [00:02] Joker_-_: I can't even agree with that. [00:02] rworkman: heh ;) [00:02] agentc0re: Ah yes it is [00:02] SharkBait: version of the driver. And did you go here to see if any of the advice helped out? http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Slackware [00:03] Joker_-_: by reading the docs suggested here and *experimenting* (as opposed to asking basic questions), one can get plenty familiar with Slackware. [00:03] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.69) joined ##slackware. [00:03] agentc0re: Sure did [00:03] rworkman: yeah, for some it works, but having a friend to help you walk the firsts steps might help, imo. [00:03] agentc0re: I just downloaded the pdf of the install instructions, ill give it a whirl and get back to you [00:03] I read everything I could find early on (and still do, to an extent). I *lurked* in this channel - not talking, but *reading* [00:03] duryodhan (n=chatzill@122.167.195.69) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:04] By the time I started actually *talking* much, I was already in a position to answer questions instead of ask them. [00:04] SharkBait: Well shit, the only other thing i could suggest is trying an older driver version. [00:04] rworkman: I understand what you mean and what you're trying to get him to, wich you do for good I'm sure, but not everyone learns the same way. [00:04] Joker_-_: valid point on that; no argument at all. [00:04] rworkman: and not everyone has the same... you know, the same "base" ;) [00:04] lol [00:05] agentc0re: It tells me to read the readme when it complains about kernel modules, but there is NO readme that came withit, nor is there one on the ati page =/ [00:05] Joker_-_: you insensitive clod. You seem to be saying that some people are just morons. ;-) [00:05] SharkBait: A site that was very helpful for me was http://www.phoronix.com/forums/ [00:05] SharkBait, http://pastebin.ca/1323407 [00:05] lurk in the channels you might eventually need help from [00:05] it's a secret code [00:05] nullboy: ++ [00:05] rworkman: I wouldnt even let myself think of something like that. [00:05] SharkBait: maybe someone has ran into the same situation with your card? [00:05] hehe [00:06] agentc0re: Maybe, ill have a look [00:06] *cough* google [00:06] anyway, looks like hes gone reading [00:06] One can hope. [00:06] SharkBait: I remember there was a very specific log file that had the output of exactly why it was failing during the build. did you take a look at that (if you even know what i am talking about). I don't remember where it's located thought. [00:06] or he's done a Ctrl-Alt-F2 and can't get back to the GUI... [00:06] so you won your battle for the "Noob to Slacker" quest [00:07] um /screen? [00:07] screen* [00:07] or not [00:07] The battle is never won. [00:07] lol [00:07] not with some people [00:07] The best we can do is to keep fighting the good fight. [00:07] reading the slackbook [00:07] battles are indeed won, it's the war that's difficult... [00:08] Sacred cows must be slaughtered. [00:08] wat: bravo! [00:08] ok [00:08] wat: screen is a program that helps you multi-task, but I think it's a few chapter after learning how to log-in so read on. [00:08] What a long strange trip it's been. [00:08] ok joker_-- [00:08] joker_-_* [00:08] wat: I wouldn't worry about 'screen' just yet if I were you. [00:08] ok [00:08] i may put this on my backup pc, although i have heard linux wifi is tough [00:09] Linux wifi is much easier than it used to be. [00:09] lets have noob on noob wars in here [00:09] wat: everything is easy, theres just some levels of easyness and some levels of competence. [00:09] i [00:09] agentc0re: I beleive thats /usr/share/ati/fglrx-install.log It tells me its failed to install the compiled kernel module and that i need to consult the readme, * There is no readme! * =/ [00:09] true, and it depends largely on which wifi hardware you're trying to use [00:09] i see [00:10] SharkBait: the readme is probably in /var/log/fglrx-install.log [00:11] well, not the 'readme', but the explanation of why the compile failed [00:11] danc3, its not ive already checked and that was in the file i mentioned before [00:11] SharkBait: probably because you don't have the kernel source/headers installed. [00:11] it failed to install kernel modules [00:11] SharkBait: pastebin the log will you? [00:12] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:12] SharkBait: you could save yourself some trouble and get rid of that POS ATI card and get an Nvidia (assuming it's not a laptop). [00:12] HellDragon (n=jd@Wikipedia/HellDragon) joined ##slackware. [00:12] danc3: thats what i told him :P [00:12] heh [00:13] dance3, POS card? The 4850 is a beast :p [00:13] it's still an ATI [00:13] They work. [00:13] ATI < Nvidia [00:13] lotec (n=lotec@adsl-163-16-138.pns.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:13] SharkBait: It's a beast running the vesa driver :P [00:13] Just not as well in linux as they should. [00:13] my laptop has a quadro in it. i use the official driver and it's awesome [00:13] We have Nvidia fan boys :p [00:13] SharkBait: so not so beasty. [00:14] who wrote the slackbook [00:14] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [00:14] Scroll to the top wat [00:14] ok [00:14] agentc0re: I think i *may* have left out some ati/radeon packages in the build, let me find and install them and ill try and install that driver again [00:15] so for browsing with no gui, you use links right? [00:15] yup [00:15] elinks [00:15] he [00:15] heh [00:15] elinks > links [00:16] -bash: elinks: command not found [00:16] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [00:16] lynx [00:16] it's not in sw [00:16] I'm supposed to making a sb for it [00:16] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@76-10-176-226.dsl.teksavvy.com) joined ##slackware. [00:17] one of these days.. [00:17] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/network/elinks/ [00:17] *cough* [00:17] damnit [00:17] and I just put an update in READY for it (to fix the docs installation) [00:17] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [00:17] well I did look there first, honest [00:18] dive: yeah, we on purpose deploy a vagueness algorithm. ;) [00:18] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@76-10-176-226.dsl.teksavvy.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:19] BP{k}: dammit - that's not public info. [00:19] http://www.linuxtoday.com/it_management/2009013100135OSSV [00:19] oh rworkman said damnit [00:19] I can make a sb for spidermonkey then still [00:20] btw rworkman look in the mail here soon [00:20] panzer: dammit, where's that memory I ordered? I had to... yeah, was wondering [00:20] rworkman: that's not a problem. the vagueness algorith will just make them forget it ;) [00:20] can you imagine that, a linux AD controller [00:20] that's awesome [00:20] panzer: I had that box for over a month - I ended up having to eat the repair cost in the name of customer happiness :/ [00:21] rworkman: ouch [00:21] Action: danc3 downloads the elinks SB [00:21] I thought this was for you [00:21] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-168.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:21] panzer: nope - but oh well - shit happens. [00:21] oh well no worries. I upped the shipping cost to get it to you [00:22] well then sorry. enjoy a 1gig ddr on me [00:22] I am sure you got a place to put it [00:23] rworkman, did you steal memory? [00:23] wat2 (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:23] btw rworkman irssi now. [00:24] hmmmmm. the elinks SB fails to complete for me [00:24] danc3, if you install spidermonkey before compiling elinks, it will use it [00:24] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:24] panzer: good :) [00:24] danc3, README [00:24] dive: ok thx [00:24] Cann0n: no - mperhaps I should have :) [00:25] danc3, there are some deps - http://elinks.or.cz/documentation/manual.html [00:25] dive: yes, the README says they are "optional" [00:25] rworkman: you could have at the shop. though in my case of ram I don't have but ddr 128meg sticks [00:25] danc3: it built fine here earlier -- what was the error? [00:25] sec [00:25] hmm [00:25] I'm working on ripping this dvd but i'm getting some odd results, like video that switches between languages every few frames etc. Does anyone have a mencoder or ffmpeg script that they usually use? I'd like to end up with a ~700mb avi and some *.srt files. [00:25] i always feel guilty when i become a burden on a business. some folks dont understand that we are all humans. [00:25] cp: will not overwrite just-created `/tmp/SBo/package-elinks/usr/doc/elinks-0.11.5/README' with `doc/README' [00:26] and then it dumps to a bash prompt [00:26] danc3: yeah, htat's what's fixed in the new update [00:26] Remove the "set -e" for now [00:26] hiptobecubic, yes [00:26] ok [00:26] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts [00:26] well anyway sorry again there rworkman [00:26] hiptobecubic, but that doesn't do subs... [00:27] going to be switching to whore soon [00:27] Cann0n: well, yeah, same here. I try to do what's right, regardless of whether I'm the customer or the business. [00:27] panzer: no biggie. I won't go broke over it :) [00:27] ok. btw ddr1 has gone up [00:28] used to be 33.06 [00:28] now is 40$+ [00:28] rworkman: that's better. package created without the 'set -e' [00:28] thanks [00:28] Well, newegg had a 256 or 512M stick for <$10 [00:28] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:28] danc3, if you install spidermonkey first, elinks will use it [00:28] dive: what's spidermonkey? [00:28] much better for js [00:29] danc3: good :) [00:29] javascript engine [00:29] ok [00:29] rworkman, yeah, i understand how important satisfaction is. [00:30] SATISFACTION [00:30] humm gotta watch that video clip again [00:31] erizoe (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [00:32] dive, could you please post up that xorg.conf again please, pastebin wouldnt load last time [00:32] :/ [00:32] SharkBait, having problems? [00:33] Cann0n, Yes, with getting my ati card to work properly =/ [00:33] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [00:34] rworkman: nice. I had a few of those. time for me to move to ddr2 and dual core stuff [00:34] SharkBait, http://pastebin.ca/1323407 [00:35] SharkBait, works fine here [00:35] SharkBait, what card? [00:35] dive: Still having problems getting onto pastebin.ca =/ [00:36] Cann0n, radeon 4850 [00:36] heh. [00:36] what browser are you using? [00:36] firefox [00:36] SharkBait: http://pastebin.learnix.net/10 [00:37] slackbook is a good read [00:37] still readyign [00:37] reading [00:37] http://pastebin.com/m7a6714c3 SharkBait [00:37] check out my work of art [00:37] \0/ [00:38] lol [00:38] ive been dragging this xorg.conf around for a while [00:39] j0z_ (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [00:39] ClaudioM_ (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:40] SharkBait, http://rafb.net/p/zOnaFr57.html [00:43] any fans of metroid here? [00:43] no [00:43] :< [00:43] i liked Super Metroid 3 [00:43] to hell with new ones [00:43] 3? [00:43] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) left irc: "There had better be some beer left when I get back!" [00:44] theres only 1 super metroid [00:44] im a fan of fusion and zero mission, not quite super metroid yet though [00:44] fusion is my favorite though [00:44] dive, Ok i have some relative success :) [00:44] thought there was a 3 [00:45] elverig (n=devrmtr@75.38.73.234) joined ##slackware. [00:45] there is only one super metroid [00:45] why is windows a preferred system behavior on kde ?_? [00:46] dive, All fixed :) [00:46] doh. yeah your are right. i got confused with castlevania [00:46] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) left irc: "Leaving" [00:46] but yeah, super metriod was my fav [00:46] thats what they all say >_> [00:46] i grew up with an SNES [00:47] SharkBait: what did you do? use the radeon driver? [00:47] agentc0re, Used an older version of the driver, 9.1 just wasnt working [00:47] wat` (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:47] holy crap install everything installed a fuckton of programs [00:48] zelda a link to the past was my favorite game. sadly, i hated all the other zeldas [00:48] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:48] elverig (n=devrmtr@75.38.73.234) left irc: "leaving" [00:48] so yeah im definitely installing slackware if i can get used to it [00:48] now im going to learn the install process :) [00:48] agentc0re, dive, Cheers for the help [00:49] wat, its not hard. in fact, i prefer it over any other installation process ive used [00:49] SharkBait: Hey, didn't i suggest that? ;) [00:49] SharkBait, which Driver are you using? [00:49] cann0n mind giving me an example of it? [00:50] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:50] agentc0re, On the ball :p [00:50] dive, 8.12 [00:50] SharkBait, radeon or ati? [00:50] the slackware installer is good for dualboots right? as in the installer setting it up? [00:50] I mean in xorg.conf [00:50] wat, example of what, other install processes or do you mean package management? [00:50] dive, that driver works for both ati / radeon im pretty sure [00:51] both i guess, and using the install process on slackware for installing [00:51] oh, i dunno. i _NEVER_ dual boot. waste of space imo. i use slack for everything [00:51] um [00:51] i pc game [00:51] but i want to install slackware also :P [00:51] wat, wine is your friend [00:51] ew [00:51] no [00:51] mine ftw [00:52] no wine [00:52] wine* [00:52] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [00:52] i use it for music making software [00:52] I use it for playing cod4 works like a charm [00:52] i may install a slackware dual boot tonight ._. [00:52] but as far as package management, SlackBuilds.org is your friend [00:52] wat don't get ahead of yourself now. [00:53] i know [00:53] i guess you are right [00:53] might want to learn to use it better first :P [00:53] there is no guess. [00:53] but setting up a dualboot is relatively easy? [00:54] and wine, he didn't mean the beverage. It's a program to install windows only based pc games and make them work in linux. [00:54] their is no official auto-dependency handling, but that never bothers me. i prefer SBo's over apt-get _ANYDAY_ [00:54] wat no, it's not. [00:54] agentc0re i have used linux in the past i know what wine is [00:54] agentc0re mind explaining? [00:54] wat, okay just making sure. [00:54] ... [00:54] dual booting is easy if you do it right [00:55] slackware/windows xp, should it be easy? [00:55] partition, install windows, install slack. should be set up [00:55] um [00:55] i cant do it with an already installed windows xp? [00:56] beats me. never done it [00:56] yes [00:56] why not [00:56] oh [00:56] i havent dual booted since i 2002ish [00:57] if you have windows already installed on a seprate HD it will be easy. google "dual boot lilo linux windows" and im sure you'll find something. [00:57] event through slackware in there. [00:57] i never used windows anyways. with wine, it runs my music making software and diablo 2 (i retired) [00:57] wat```` (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [00:57] lots of users from LQ have posted about it numerous times. [00:57] yeah [00:57] found out how to tab between console interfaces and gui :D [00:57] that is a common topic [00:57] wat` (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Leaving" [00:58] lol [00:58] so does slackware have a package manager? [00:58] straterra (n=straterr@brutalexistenceradio.com) joined ##slackware. [00:58] Action: rworkman sighs [00:58] hell, i didnt start, printing until a few weeks ago. never had a reason too print really [00:59] http://rlworkman.net/slackshowbrasil/slackware.pdf [00:59] rworkman: LOL [00:59] lol [00:59] print? as in using a printer? [00:59] rworkman: Your frustration makes me laugh, is that bad? :P [00:59] wat: you didn't find that out...first? [00:59] no >_> [00:59] yeah [00:59] agentc0re: nah :) [01:00] wat, i stated something about that earlier [01:00] o [01:00] no "apt-get" or "yum -install" for Slackware. [01:00] well, there sort of is [01:00] not recommended [01:01] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:02] so what does it use [01:02] just compiling from source? [01:02] tgz and slackbuilds [01:02] hmm? [01:02] hell, i didnt know what apt-get or yum was until last year. ive been using slack so long. and i went 3 years without the net [01:02] why? [01:02] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [01:02] 3 years? [01:02] how did that work? [01:03] wat less IRC, more SLACKBOOK. [01:03] ok [01:03] lol [01:03] dont think i will be needing screen :P [01:03] wat: look on your install cd, theres a copy [01:03] wat, you can build packages from source using SlackBuilds, then installpkg whatever.tgz [01:03] hmm [01:03] wat: you might be surprised [01:04] ok [01:04] screen is very helpful [01:04] i didnt even use have the slackbook those 3 years [01:04] ill just tab between console/gui :P [01:04] ugh [01:04] cann0n what did you do for 3 years you didnt have internet? [01:04] AbortRet1yFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) joined ##slackware. [01:04] lol [01:05] Porn and lotion probably. [01:05] o [01:05] wat, make music, play offline games, rip cds, learned :GIMP real well, dug through the system, etc [01:05] o [01:05] didnt have pron on it [01:05] s/:GIMP/GIMP [01:06] Cann0n: Duh, not on the computer. ;) [01:07] most of my linux experience was offline and self-taught. come to find out i was doing a shit load of things wrong since 2001 lol [01:08] Cann0n: i.e. if computer blows up: bad choice. if computer is fine: good choice. No slackbook needed [01:08] lol [01:08] agentc0re, slutty girlfriend ftw for a little while... the fail when she knocked up by anther dude. :X [01:08] Cann0n: OOHHH ouch. [01:09] fluxnuk3r, i've destroyed two CRTs back in XFree86 days [01:09] lol [01:09] dive, PING [01:09] lol... then i googled sync rates at work.... :S [01:09] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:09] hiptobecubic, PONG [01:09] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) joined ##slackware. [01:10] Joss Wheden is starting a new sci-fi show [01:10] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [01:10] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] Firefly is the only show i every liked [01:11] dive, were you referring to this "dripper" script? It looks like it's missing a function... title_info() ? [01:11] Stargate is over. I'm sad. [01:11] lol [01:11] On the topic of favorite past times, i really enjoy'd BBS'ing. I use to play the hell out of LORD and Exitilius. [01:11] hiptobecubic, hrmm [01:11] one sec [01:11] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:12] i had some bomb enchiladas for dinner [01:12] nix_chix0r: could be good or bad...hope they sit well :) [01:13] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@117.86.26.176) joined ##slackware. [01:13] i went easy on the hotsauce . heartburn hasn't kicked in yet [01:13] hiptobecubic, no that is in the disc-info-tools.tar.gz file - untar and cp files to somewhere in PATH [01:13] hiptobecubic, but writable by USER [01:13] i'm doing remote backups on a w2k3 server [01:14] dive, interesting..... i'll try it again :D disc-info-tools has to be USER writeable? [01:15] hiptobecubic, the dir you untar them to needs to be either user writable, or you have to run each program as root once [01:15] AbortRetryFail (n=arf@scourge.esoterica.us) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:15] nix_chix0r, have you decided what first distro the baby will use? or will it just be the obvious Slackware? [01:15] yeah right she uses gentoo [01:15] i do use slackware too [01:15] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [01:15] lol. Fluxbox might me to hard for a baby [01:16] i just need another power adapter for my laptop. but i think it should be slackware:P [01:16] you have to start them on slack, then they can choose when they are old enough. like religions.. only with more pressure. [01:16] LOL [01:16] :D [01:16] well said [01:17] i dunno.... i started on slack and i cant get used to any other distro. [01:17] ubuntu is like slightly more advanced windows [01:17] i always end up with slack. but i do like to try other distros [01:18] I started on ubuntu for a month or so and learning slack was like starting from scratch again. [01:18] i know about where everything is. i couldnt figure out how to turn on apache on ubuntu [01:18] it's a tossup i like gentoo [01:18] portage is too slow [01:18] whats that first game [01:18] tatsh portage is slow [01:19] whoops wrong channel [01:19] hiptobecubic, common response lol. Ubuntu isnt for learning linux. its linux with an idiots set up. at least its still linux i guess [01:20] when my bf moved in and realised i didnt have windows on my machines he asked to know more. so i handed him a few books and i went through an install. we installed zenwalk. now he's becomming this monster:)) [01:20] i couldnt get used to apt-get... i was just so used to downloading the source, i installed wine via make when i tried ubuntu [01:21] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) left irc: "Saliendo" [01:21] Cann0n: I like ubuntu cuz it has a good idea and can attract the crowd that we cannot. Most people don't want to learn how to use a pc, they just want to use a pc. Well there are mostly con's that go against that, still at least there's something else for them other than windows. [01:21] im so used to fedora =/ [01:22] agentc0re, thats the ONLY reason i support ubuntu.... it's not winders [01:22] never used fedora, only RH back when it was free [01:22] rh isnt free? [01:22] thats stpuid [01:22] stupid [01:22] no its not. RH was Stock [01:22] s/was/has [01:23] Cann0n, that is a poor reason:P [01:23] im thinking of installing slackware on my backup pc [01:23] its the corporate distro [01:23] what should i do if my wireless card on my backup pc isnt supported and doesnt work by default :O [01:23] wat, you must drool before you can crawl... Remember, one step at a time bud. [01:23] ok [01:23] nix_chix0r, wasnt a reason really. [01:24] but srsly what would i do [01:24] wat, what card? [01:24] i cant write drivers =/ [01:24] cann0n i dont know right now [01:24] nor can i [01:24] i may go pull it out in a bit [01:24] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:25] ok brb getting cared [01:25] card [01:25] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "..(cyp): BitchX: the ONLY IRC client on Viagra!" [01:25] yeah, do some research. i have a thumb drive with b43 drivers and fwcutter and ndiswrapper and a bunch of other stuff to get online. wicd, wifi-radar, and ndiswrapper, which can go to hell [01:27] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.41.37) joined ##slackware. [01:28] wifi was the only thing that didnt work out of box, that and my .xmodmap keys which a simple cp /mnt/media/Toolbox/.Xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap fixed that [01:28] hiptobecubic_ (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [01:28] i'm trying bitchx [01:29] seems like it sucks. [01:29] it does [01:29] irssi is better [01:29] try typing /set [01:29] i see some options [01:29] in either [01:30] tplink tl wn650g [01:30] this is on a desktop [01:30] i like xchat when i use X [01:30] one of the things i really don't like are clients where the chat text isn't aligned [01:30] wat, try researching it some and download everything you need for it [01:30] ok [01:30] the start of the text is dependent on the length of your nick. it's annoying [01:30] wat, i strongly suggest installing wicd, which is in /extra [01:31] hiptobecubic_: /window new double on hide then omit hide thereafter is good to know [01:31] wicd? what is that [01:31] its a wifi app that seems to do the job [01:31] hmmm [01:32] its in the packages tab in installation right? [01:32] no [01:32] o [01:32] but it comes with slackware [01:32] if i install EVERYTHING do i get it? [01:32] its on the cd [01:32] if i install everything from the dvd do i get it [01:33] no you have to go back and install it later [01:33] gay [01:33] how do i do that then? [01:34] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [01:34] yeah forget bitchx [01:34] this is terrible [01:34] lol [01:34] hehe [01:34] i have bitchx on my iphone [01:34] cant quite get it to work like i would like [01:34] i do it this way. mount /mnt/dvd && cd /mnt/dvd/extra && installpkg wicd-3.5.6.tgz [01:34] something like that [01:34] wat, my sentiments exactly [01:34] hehe] [01:35] thanks cann0n [01:35] yuh irssi rocks [01:35] and how about printer drivers =/ [01:35] can i use cups [01:35] i suppose bitchx doesn't seem much worse than irssi, considering i don't use either one. [01:35] i dont know the exact location it /extra whether or not its on a sub directory [01:35] gah [01:36] does wicd have support for old devices [01:36] wat go get sbopkg and slackpkg [01:36] my friend gave me this wireless card so i dont know [01:36] hiptobecubic_ im on my windows pc im going to install slackware on my backup pc later [01:36] wat, it handles the network profiles [01:36] wicd is not a driver [01:36] o [01:36] =/ [01:36] it's a network browser [01:36] if the device works via driver, it will handle it [01:37] :o [01:37] wat, you installing this in a vm right? [01:37] no [01:37] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:37] i have it in a vm [01:37] k [01:37] this will be for my backup pc [01:37] some older devices may work out of box. its hard to tell until you try [01:38] :o [01:38] wat, how does your backup pc connect? [01:38] wireless [01:38] its a desktop [01:38] ok [01:39] wicd is good for roaming but if you are always using same network then it might be better to set up /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [01:39] and what might i put there? [01:39] fdeak (n=fdeak@catv-80-99-60-246.catv.broadband.hu) joined ##slackware. [01:39] instead of using wicd [01:39] SharkBait (n=gooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:39] agentc0re, you there? [01:39] wat, read it - it's pretty self explanatory [01:39] ok [01:40] wicd is what i prefer. yeah for a desktop, might as well set it up [01:40] i agree with dive. don't use wicd if you don't have to. it's good but it's just another thing to break. It's a pain when you have to restart it, i find. [01:40] rc.inet1.conf i mean [01:41] wat```` (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:42] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [01:42] hiptobecubic: 1.6 will be better :) [01:42] Cann0n: I am. [01:43] i use the stock rc.inet1 script and config along with multiple network blocks in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [01:43] that's it [01:43] Sorry, newb moment and hit my chat scroll bar a bit and once that happens, it stops moving with the flow of chat. [01:43] lol [01:43] BactaBot (n=silvermo@118-92-191-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:44] nullboy, for a laptop? [01:44] Hi. Welcome to BactaBot [01:44] For help type help [01:44] wat, read this: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network [01:44] help [01:44] To flood this channel type FLOOD [01:44] Action: agentc0re makes sheep noise [01:44] That is all [01:45] lol [01:45] BactaBot: fuck off [01:45] LOL [01:45] Fuck you [01:45] argh my printer isnt printing =/ [01:45] fuck ethernet network printers [01:45] Cann0n: yeah [01:45] 5, 4, 3, 2, 1... [01:46] 12345 [01:46] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [01:46] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [01:46] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*@118-92-191-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [01:46] BactaBot kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: Banned: You failed the channel IQ test. /nick BactaRock [01:46] nullboy, but you'd have to manually set up a new AP right? [01:46] 0 [01:47] LOL [01:47] dumbass. [01:47] seems like noobs who cant use slack do that [01:48] Hello, I got an error when executing glxgears command, saying "Error: couldn't open display (null)" [01:48] Cann0n: i have multiple config blocks in wpa_supplicant for the APs i use. all you do to add a new one is create a new block [01:48] wat IP printer = good. [01:48] eh [01:48] wait [01:48] ip? [01:48] pip did you run it with sudo or as root? [01:48] pip or with no X? [01:49] pip: you need x11 running [01:49] OMFG [01:49] ... [01:49] sounds like $DISPLAY isn't set [01:49] OMFG [01:49] Action: agentc0re slaps self with trout [01:49] nullboy, how do you switch/enable the network on the AP? iwconfig? [01:49] 06:49 < rworkman> [01:47] [BactaBot!n=silvermo@118-92-191-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] Welcome to BactaBot [01:49] 06:49 < rworkman> [01:47] [BactaBot!n=silvermo@118-92-191-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz] Please state why you banned BactaBot [01:49] 06:49 < rworkman> Does the bot know it's talking to a bot? [01:50] he was banned for being dumber than me [01:50] hehe [01:50] Cann0n: you don't need to. wpa_supplicant handles any AP that has a configuration block in wpa_supplicant. as long as there is an enabled config block it will pick up and use the best AP in the area that a config exists for [01:50] agentc0re, I'm on xfce right now [01:51] nullboy, and why wasnt that on google? [01:51] Okay, it works ! [01:51] lol [01:51] pip and you did run it su'd into root did you? [01:51] I don't know why it didn't want to work [01:51] hmmm, trying to use the onboard raid of my motherboard, but having troubles. in 12.2 the huge kernel has sata_nv=y and yet i cant see the raid devices i made. [01:51] nullboy, well damn. that seems easier than wasting process [01:52] i just keep the common APs i used configured in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [01:52] and before you all say, dont use the onboard raid! i'm doing it purely for testing/comparison [01:52] slackmagic (n=magician@unaffiliated/slackmagic) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [01:52] Cann0n: it will roam too [01:52] i have tested it [01:52] agentc0re, Ah, yes, I was as root when running it [01:52] maybe that's the reason [01:52] sweet. so all i edit is the wpa_supplicant.conf and make sure the b43 driver is loaded??? [01:52] pip: :) that's why. [01:53] I see, thanks [01:53] pip: you su - to root but there is no X session running under that profile. [01:53] Cann0n: look in rc.inet1.conf in the config block for the wifi interface you are using [01:53] ah [01:53] getting ready to install to my backup pc [01:54] you need to enable wpa_supplicant use and name the driver that wpa_supplicant should use [01:54] about to burn the dvd [01:54] thanks nullboy [01:54] agentc0re, Makes sense [01:54] so the dualboot thing, should be easy if i can dualboot fedora/ubuntu/opensuse11/linux mint effiicently? [01:54] not all together of course [01:54] efficiently* [01:55] im talking those individually with xp [01:55] and not efficiently. [01:55] ok [01:55] but still [01:55] should it be hard? [01:55] raela|alt (n=raela@12.89.75.126) left irc: "Lost terminal" [01:55] Stx (i=stx@freenode/staff/stx) joined ##slackware. [01:55] the lilo config should pick up that you have windows installed [01:55] and add it [01:56] Cann0n: if manual control is needed you can use the stock scripts: /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 wlan0_restart [01:56] wat very hard, i wouldn't recommend it. [01:56] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejj231.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [01:56] i wouldn't even install slackware on your backup pc. [01:56] why [01:57] because you're still learning..... [01:57] ok [01:57] i want to learn to linux wifi :P [01:57] i only use my backup pc for iidx anyways [01:58] stop whining and either do it or don't [01:58] nullboy, nice. basically im just commenting out a hand full of the wlan0 section to what i need... seems way better that way. [01:58] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [01:58] im not whining though [01:58] Cann0n: right [01:58] Cann0n: all the wifi config options will take place in wpa_supplicant.conf [01:59] ah [01:59] easy as pie. now i know. thanks [01:59] add thsi option to your wifi section though: WLAN_WPAWAIT[4]=15 [01:59] WLAN_WPA[4]="wpa_supplicant" [01:59] change the [ ] number to the same number as your config block [01:59] ah nm it's the same [02:00] just leave your accesspoint open and give it a essid of honeypot or bigbrother1984 :) [02:00] ok, so i add that in rc.inet1.conf near that one [02:00] for me, on Intel 3945: WLAN_WPA[4]="wpa_supplicant" && WLAN_WPADRIVER[4]="wext" && WLAN_WPAWAIT[4]=15 [02:00] fhobia (n=fhobia@c-24-4-99-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:00] you might need to spec b43 instead of wext, i'm not sure [02:00] i think b43 uses wext though [02:00] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [02:01] yeah ill have to fool with that [02:01] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [02:01] I'm pretty sure b43 uses wext too. I've only heard of madwifi having a separate i/f for wpa_supplicant [02:01] anybody watch flash videos full screen and notice all those players go back to small size if you move the mouse...wondering if there was a way to disable that so you could watch a video on one monitor and do stuff on the other monitor ? [02:02] WLAN_WPAWAIT[4]=15 is the timeout correct? [02:02] yeah [02:02] for wpa_supplicant [02:02] saaaaweeet [02:02] How to install flashplayer plugin / [02:02] well it's not a timeout, it's a wait period [02:03] pip download source run install script. [02:03] yeah, thats wait a ment [02:03] it lets the interface finish coming up before wpa_supplicant tries to associate [02:03] s/ment/meant [02:03] Action: agentc0re is going to be before head explodes [02:03] later all. [02:03] thats what i thought. i know it takes a few seconds sometimes [02:04] fdeak (n=fdeak@catv-80-99-60-246.catv.broadband.hu) left irc: "Leaving" [02:04] burning slackware dvd\ [02:04] dvd [02:05] agentc0re, night [02:06] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] hiptobecubic_ (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:06] nullboy, this seems too brain dead to work.... [02:06] it works for me [02:06] works great [02:06] just create proper wpa_supplicant config blocks for your APs [02:07] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:07] yeah [02:07] krux0 (n=richard@ool-182c9ffc.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [02:07] what does package compiz do ? [02:07] explodes fire on your screen [02:07] seriously [02:07] what about /rc.wireless [02:07] Cann0n: useless [02:07] pip, it's a composite manager [02:07] http://polishlinux.org/stuff/screenshots/slackware/slackware_12_blubi.png [02:07] i want this conky setup [02:08] i can chmod -x that shit? [02:08] yeah [02:08] WAIT [02:08] not that one [02:08] lol [02:09] wat, so cool, KDE ? [02:09] i think [02:09] nullboy, what? lol i dont chmod -x rc.wireless? lol [02:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [02:09] smica (n=smica@91.146.170.103) left irc: [02:09] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [02:10] kde 4.2 [02:10] yeah don't -x rc.wireless [02:10] thought so [02:10] wtf was i thinking of [02:10] i was reviewing it [02:10] trying to find where i put modprobe b43 [02:10] lol [02:11] /etc/rc.d/rc.modules ? [02:11] well, ima test it [02:11] no [02:11] i used to put it in one that was blank or need to be made [02:12] slKIvs (n=slKIvs@190.148.169.221) left irc: Client Quit [02:12] rc.local ? [02:12] Wat_ (n=wat@166.132.74.60) joined ##slackware. [02:12] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.84) joined ##slackware. [02:12] /etc/rc.d/rc.modules.local [02:12] Nick change: Wat_ -> wat|iphone [02:12] Time to install [02:13] rc.S:265:# Priority is given first to a script named "rc.modules.local", then rc.S-266-# to "rc.modules-$FULL_KERNEL_VERSION", and finally to the plain "rc.modules". [02:13] nope... i stuck it somewhere [02:13] rc.netdevices ? [02:14] something like that but i cant find that sucker [02:14] Heres hoping i wont screw up [02:15] wat|iphone, time to install what ? [02:15] wow, i cant find it [02:16] If i install to a hard drive different than tje drive containing windows will it fuck up my mbr [02:16] something isnt right. my rc.local is blank [02:17] Anyone know? [02:17] The* [02:17] cann0n [02:18] wat|iphone: only if you tell lilo to install to mbr - but that would be an improvement anyway [02:18] the mbr is the first bits of the hd [02:18] lol [02:19] wtf [02:19] So if i dont have windows on this drive and unplug the slack drive and boot only the windows drive, it will be fine? [02:19] i cant find b43 in any file in /etc/rc.d [02:19] The mbr [02:19] should be [02:19] i iunno. i never used two HDs and dual booted same time [02:19] The windows mbr wont be touches since the xp drive isnt plugged in? [02:20] as long as the windows drive was setup as the first drive in the first place [02:20] can't screw up anything that's not plugged in (unless you use a hammer) [02:20] Kk [02:21] yeah, the MBR is the first little hand full of bytes on the hard drive [02:21] iirc. im a stoner so its hard for me to give good help. :P [02:22] Kk [02:22] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [02:22] My xp drive is unpliggee [02:22] Unplugged* [02:22] man i am confused... does wicd handle my b43?? i cant find b43 in and file in /etc [02:22] so how am i online? i dunno brb. [02:23] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:23] nathanbw (n=nathan@75-143-75-209.dhcp.aubn.al.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [02:24] Formatting primary partition to ext3 [02:25] do we get the whole play by play? [02:25] apparently [02:25] [02:25] Ywa [02:25] Yes you do [02:26] Im tired >_> [02:26] Brb food [02:26] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:26] ugh i hate formatting hard drives [02:26] partitions* [02:27] Action: ImmutableDark is away: I'm away had a rough night peeps so I'm in bed. [02:28] nullboy, what file calls rc.firewall? [02:28] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:29] none... [02:29] ? [02:30] if annything it would be rc.M [02:30] its not there... but how does rc.firewall execute? [02:30] /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2:74:if [ -x /etc/rc.d/rc.firewall ]; then [02:31] it's treated as a network service [02:31] ah [02:32] i recall a rc.netdevice seems like i should set up something to run modprobe b43 since its not being executed [02:32] Searching for dvd drive [02:33] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.72.18) joined ##slackware. [02:33] sigh... well, i dunno how b43 is loaded [02:33] brb [02:34] Cann0n (n=Cann0n@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:34] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [02:34] kj4hzw_ (n=v@adsl-235-7-66.clt.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:35] eddief2 (n=eddie@cpe-72-229-30-71.nyc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Are any of you using the ATI proprietary 9.1 drivers? 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[02:44] nullboy: it worked but it spit out a ton of the same error [02:44] wpa_ctrl_open [02:45] I had that- I had to comment out some of the WPA instructions [02:45] bit of trial and error though [02:46] wat|iphone (n=wat@166.132.74.60) left irc: "Rooms " iPhone IRC Client " http://rooms.derflash.de" [02:46] but its all #ed out but what is barely needed [02:46] might be a PEBKAC error [02:47] i dunno [02:48] I had to comment out the 'WLAN_IWPRIV[4]="set AuthMode=WPAPSK...' stuff and just use whats in /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf [02:49] yeah, thats commented out [02:49] and RATE and CHANNEL [02:50] can't recall what else [02:51] its all commented out by default [02:51] FREQ? [02:52] should i use DHCP? [02:52] unless you want a certain IP [02:52] thought so [02:53] mell... i commented out the first and 4 lines in wpa_supplicant.conf [02:53] Cann0n (n=jack@75-107-34-104.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:57] rwright (n=rwright@h-68-166-205-106.dllatx37.dynamic.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [02:58] rwright (n=rwright@h-68-166-205-106.dllatx37.dynamic.covad.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:59] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:59] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.2.6"). [02:59] dive, hey sorry i ducked out for so long and im bothering you about this again. these disc-info tools..... what's the deal? libtool? what's going on? why do they need to be run as root anyway? [03:00] they don't need to be run as root, but the first they are run they create a .libs directory so need write access [03:00] they are extra tools from readdvd [03:00] that don't get installed by default [03:01] dive, hold on look at this error. [03:01] it's a bit of a pain that they work that way, or I would have made a package [03:03] dive, http://rafb.net/p/4bzSHE81.html. clearly your ~dir is hardcoded and i need to change that. but that dir doesn't exist for me anyway... [03:04] wth [03:04] ok I need to look at that [03:06] How to use the public key of gpg when verify a asc file ? [03:08] dive, lol. good. i thought i was just an idiot. [03:08] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.84) left irc: "Leaving." [03:09] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.41.37) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:10] giuppy (n=giuppy@host105-191-dynamic.181-80-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:12] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [03:17] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Connection timed out [03:18] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "Lost terminal" [03:24] anyone see this ? http://www.dcexaminer.com/local/012909-Ex-Fannie_Mae_worker_charged_with_planting_computer_virus.html [03:24] they tagged it as "projectmayhem" in /. [03:24] lol [03:26] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:28] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.39) joined ##slackware. [03:28] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:28] Im able to surf the web, but i cant ping google? There are no iptables / hosts.allow/deny rules preventing it? [03:28] SharkBait, firewalled? [03:29] other than locally? [03:29] for example, my school blocks icmp [03:29] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-64-4.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Connection timed out [03:30] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [03:30] SharkBait: can you ping anything else out on the internet? 206.13.29.12 is one of pacbell's los angeles DNS server [03:30] Only other thing that could be filtering the icmp packets out would be my router, *BUT* my windows box is able to ping external networks [03:30] nullboy, no [03:31] nullboy, didyou just happen to know that ip? [03:31] yeah [03:31] :D [03:31] 206.13.30.12 is the secondary [03:33] so the filtering is being done localy, but there are no iptables / hosts.allow/deny rules filtering icmp? [03:33] SharkBait: are you certain it's local? how far does a traceroute get out? [03:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:33] nullboy, interesting /. article. what a dumbass thatguy is using a recognized ip [03:33] so whats linspire and is it good enough to pya for? [03:33] wat no. [03:33] pay [03:33] why pay for it ?_? [03:34] there is plenty to go read about linspire. i wouldn't pay for it. [03:34] o [03:35] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:35] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.74.67) joined ##slackware. [03:35] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:37] nullboy, icmp doesnt get any further then my router. [03:37] strange, seeing as i havnt changed any settings [03:38] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:41] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [03:41] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.10.39) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:41] Hello, do I need master mono in alsamixer ? [03:42] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [03:42] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:43] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [03:43] flash programs are going white [03:43] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:44] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) joined ##slackware. [03:44] adobe flash programs are going white [03:46] hiptobecubic, I can't find how not to have those paths hard coded in so I will need look for another way to read dvd info [03:47] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*@118-92-191-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz expired. [03:47] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*@118-92-191-8.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [03:47] either that or put a link to the source and install instructions [03:47] dive, hmm. well i'm not really sure what it's even asking for. [03:48] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.17.102) joined ##slackware. [03:48] hi [03:48] well when I built those programs it hardcoded in my build path [03:48] hi [03:48] which obviously works only here [03:49] need to find a way to read disc title info [03:49] that's how my script decides which title to rip [03:55] dive, i see. well i'm not in a particular rush here. if you figure it out, let me know [03:55] yep [03:57] mrselfpwn, what does that mean ? [03:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [03:57] It means all is well. [03:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:00] Action: hiptobecubic just applied to graduate :D [04:01] dive, is there a way to manually tell it which title to copy and just not use title_info? [04:02] -t option [04:02] -h for help [04:04] dive ok nice. and last question (for now). What's a title anyway? What does that refer to in this context? [04:04] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [04:04] well dvd usually have several titles - main film and some other stuff like extras [04:05] usually you just want to rip main title - the one with most chapters [04:05] dive, ok i see. And you need disc-into-tools to determine which is which? [04:05] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [04:05] yeah [04:05] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:05] rawramp (n=rawramp@adsl-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) joined ##slackware. [04:06] they are just frontends to dvdread [04:06] how would one determine that manually? [04:06] thats the problem [04:06] you could use mplayer [04:06] or another player [04:06] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@186.66.74.67) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:06] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.180.52.154) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:07] i guess i'm just not _really_ understand the way dvd's are setup. there are a bunch of *.vob files... do those correspond to titles? or are the titles spread out among them and mapped out in some metafile [04:07] understanding* [04:10] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.93.63) joined ##slackware. [04:11] dive ^ [04:13] titles are spread out I think - theres a max size for vobs usually [04:14] ok I've managed to compile title_info [04:14] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [04:14] it's up at same link for download [04:14] just needs puttig in path and it *shouldn't* need write access [04:15] dive, i'll give it a whirl... [04:17] pragma_ (n=pragma@unaffiliated/pragma/x-109842) joined ##slackware. [04:19] dive so if i have a non-widescreen dvd here and i want it to end up as divx or something similar, i need to use -r -a 4:3 or something similar? [04:20] Karu (n=alch@78-28-76-209.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [04:20] yes that should do it [04:21] dive, testing... [04:22] well -i works :) [04:22] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-168.dial.telus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [04:22] tuvok302-a (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-10.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [04:22] Nick change: tuvok302-a -> tuvok302 [04:24] good [04:25] dive, well it's running. i didn't realize how long reencoding takes :P [04:26] 64 min remaining... [04:26] must be a long vid [04:26] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:26] kj4hzw_ (n=v@adsl-235-7-66.clt.bellsouth.net) left irc: ""thousands hacking branches evil strike root"" [04:26] I found that using the size option is quite fast [04:26] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-10.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [04:26] never really played with aspect ratio [04:26] i didn't use that option. [04:27] but you only need to reencode for size or if aspect is wrong [04:30] also ffmpeg only seems to recognise 4:3 and 16:9 [04:31] no letterbox [04:35] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [04:39] dive, well the movie is in 4:3, but it's not detecting that correctly and stretching it to widescreen. [04:39] When trying to compile chmsee, i get a configure error asking for development libraries for mozilla etc, where would i be able to obtain these libraries? [04:39] hiptobecubic, which options did you use? [04:39] http://rafb.net/p/HynGXF23.html [04:40] -s needs to be 4:3 or 16:9 [04:40] not physical dimensions [04:41] ah ok. wel what's -a then? [04:41] Strykar_ (n=wakka@122.169.71.24) joined ##slackware. [04:41] oh crap sorry [04:41] no -s is size in MB [04:41] :D ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh [04:41] say -s 700 [04:41] and it figures out a bitrate? [04:42] aetheria_ (n=aetheria@h-67-100-118-26.snvacaid.covad.net) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [04:42] but only if you want to cut down the target size [04:42] and if i don't specify -s it does what? [04:43] without -r + -s/-a it will just rip it straight to disk and the end size depends on the length of the film [04:43] ok [04:43] which is ok but if you want to say limit it to 700MB use -r -s 700 [04:43] dripper -h [04:44] explains it [04:44] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.24) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [04:45] dive -h [04:46] yep [04:46] cat << EOF gnash gnash EOF [04:47] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [04:47] hiptobecubic, you might find it more useful to rip and reencode afterwards with reen [04:48] dive, why? [04:49] 03:58 need to find a way to read disc title info [04:49] http://slackbuilds.org/repository/12.2/multimedia/lsdvd/ [04:50] hiptobecubic, maybe the actual rip is good enough without needing resize? [04:50] Urchlay, thanks [04:51] dive, maybe i'm just tricking myself, but mplayar says it's playing the dvd at 720x540 and the avi at 720x480 [04:51] mplayer* [04:51] comeing to the party late :) [04:51] Urchlay, yeah I just compiled my own [04:52] so dripper is something you wrote? [04:52] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:52] hiptobecubic, I've had issues with some vids and player wanting to play them at other sizes.. not sure of the cure [04:53] it /looks/ good enough. i'll just leave it [04:53] Urchlay, yes I wrote it and recompiled the title_info app that comes with dvdread [04:53] to read the dvd info [04:53] only need title/chapter count [04:54] dive, is it just a quirk of the codec that slight changes in the image don't always refresh/draw correctly? [04:55] yeah that's compression [04:55] sometimes get 'blocky' backgrounds [04:55] pixelated [04:55] yeah... :-/ [04:56] dive: is your script available somewhere? [04:56] you will find that 2 pass encoding usually looks better but it takes longer [04:56] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts [04:56] ok thanks [04:56] in video [04:58] nice [04:58] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:58] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [04:59] well I would be glad of feedback on mencoder and ffmpeg options - a bit of a noob at choosing best options for quality etc [05:00] hmmm, actually was just about to ask you, why the reencode with ffmpeg is necessary? [05:00] just to implement to "limit to X byte size" option? [05:01] mainly yes [05:01] makes sense. mplayer hasn't got such an option [05:01] it's not exactly necesary but I thought it would be useful [05:02] a long time ago I wrote a script that would calculate bitrate based on size, then I'd plug the bitrate into the mplayer command line [05:02] and I've juts noticed a typo inthe coments for it [05:02] but it was never 100% perfect [05:02] dive http://john.bitsurge.net/public/Screenshot-14.png is the dvd and http://john.bitsurge.net/public/Screenshot-7.png is this avi. is that normal? [05:03] squashed slightly [05:03] dive, actually... it looks like it's wrong when it plays the dvd... that looks stretched to me :D [05:04] is the original PAL? [05:04] shouldn't be. i'm in the states [05:04] 720x540 = PAL standard DVD pixel size [05:04] Urchlay, interesting... [05:05] 720x480 is NTSC [05:05] no idea whether that actually will help you though :) [05:05] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: "http://www.1st-vets.com" [05:05] well why would mplayer be playing my dvd as if it were pal if mencoder is ripping it as if it weren't? [05:05] weird [05:05] dunno [05:06] oh screw it. who cares. it looks watchable either way. [05:06] the 2nd screenshot (of the avi file), is that re-encoded through ffmpeg? [05:06] there is probably a mencoder option for that [05:06] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:07] if it is, wonder whether the non-reencoded file has the same aspect ratio (IOW, is mplayer doing this, or is ffmpeg?) [05:07] Urchlay, possibly? i was trying a few different ways i don't remember which that is. they all came out the same though. [05:07] dive, what were you saying about ripping first and encoding later? [05:08] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: "life in the rear view mirror" [05:08] well if you find that just ripping looks ok then theres no need to reencode with ffmpeg [05:08] other than to save space on your drive, or fit it on a CD... [05:08] i guess best thing would be to rip a few mins and test [05:08] dive, you mean just dripper -i /dev/dvd -o /tmp/blahblah.avi ? [05:09] yeah [05:09] not -i, -d [05:09] yeah. mplayer/mendover options would be -ss and -endpos [05:09] right [05:09] (if you want to temporarily add them to the script I mean) [05:09] "mendover"? errr, *mencoder* [05:11] hiptobecubic, also you can set your dvd device in the script at the top so you dont need keep putting in -d [05:11] dive, yeah i haven't really looked through the script much yet. [05:11] there are a few options [05:11] mencoder/player seems convinced that the film is supposed to be 1.50:1 [05:13] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:14] you can force it, -aspect 4:3 [05:15] Hoogin (n=root@host56-73.etanet.se) joined ##slackware. [05:15] does mplayer show the frames/sec? if it says 25, that's PAL [05:15] (you already knew that...) [05:18] can't find frame rate.. [05:21] VIDEO: [DX50] 640x480 24bpp 29.970 fps 1747.8 kbps (213.4 kbyte/s) [05:21] that's mplayer, cant remember whether mencoder prints the same info [05:22] mplayer prints that by default?.. looooking.... [05:22] what's the closest software to "dvdshrink" for linux? [05:22] oh it was scrolling offscreen too quickly. my mistake [05:23] VIDEO: [FMP4] 720x480 24bpp 29.970 fps 816.6 kbps (99.7 kbyte/s) [05:23] rg3: dvd9to5 (or is it dvd9todvd5)? [05:23] that looks right for ntsc [05:23] yeah [05:24] Urchlay: thanks [05:24] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: "innabit" [05:24] hiptobecubic, is that from the dvd or the rip? [05:24] it says 720x480 there, but then actually plays in 720x540? [05:25] rrr, no, FMP4 ain't the DVD [05:25] btw - I've just edited the script slightly and uploaded [05:25] Urchlay, that was the rip. [05:25] TimothyPollard (n=TimothyP@203-196-46-108.static-dsl.qld.aussiewholesale.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:25] looks ok then [05:25] you want to download the new one since the comment at the start was wrong [05:25] i just tried to play the dvd and it's decided that it's going to not find some ".dll" files... which seems like it doesn't know what OS i'm running [05:25] http://www.unrealize.co.uk/scripts/video [05:25] ccfreak2k (n=ccfreak2@ip-67-205-67-52.static.privatedns.com) joined ##slackware. [05:26] avisynth.dll? [05:26] hiptobecubic: mplayer's trying to use the windows binary codecs? [05:26] http://rafb.net/p/vXyC1N49.html [05:27] try mplayer dvd://1 [05:27] (er, replace the 1 with whatever title number dive's script gave you) [05:28] you're trying to play a mounted directory, not a DVD device... [05:28] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [05:28] VIDEO: MPEG2 720x480 (aspect 2) 29.970 fps 9000.0 kbps (1125.0 kbyte/s) [05:29] looks fine [05:29] yeah, plain ol' NTSC [05:29] i guess mplayer is being a bit funny about resizing - on the avi does it says somthing like - resizing to correct video aspect - and then a size? [05:30] dive, yeah but the sizes are the same before and after. it resizes the dvd however. [05:30] as does vlc [05:30] hmm pass [05:32] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn76.91-127-98.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [05:32] hm, are you using a widescreen monitor, but not using mplayer's -monitoraspect option? [05:33] yes [05:33] there's no longer a need to use -monitoraspect in recent versions of mplayer [05:33] rg3: ah, cool. I've had it in my .mplayer/config forever now [05:34] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [05:34] wat (n=wat@ip72-204-26-80.fv.ks.cox.net) left irc: [05:34] Urchlay, but normally widescreen and normal dvd's both play fine. which they are still. it's the rip that streching [05:34] it detects the screen resolution and supposes pixels are square (-monitorpixelaspect 1) [05:35] hiptobecubic: ah, it's a mencoder specific problem? could try forcing with -aspect or explicitly giving pixel width/height [05:36] hiptobecubic: sup-optimal way to do it though, if you embed that stuff in the script, then later on try to rip a widescreen DVD :( [05:36] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) joined ##slackware. [05:37] Hoogin (n=root@host56-73.etanet.se) left irc: Connection timed out [05:37] morning [05:37] well you can call the script with -e for extra mencoder options - perhaps make 2 aliases - one for widewscreen one for normal [05:37] time to learn! [05:37] booyah! [05:37] morning [05:37] exams starting monday O_o [05:37] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [05:37] stef_204 (n=stef@unaffiliated/stef-204/x-384198) joined ##slackware. [05:37] haz testz? [05:38] learning time [05:38] Action: slackytude nods [05:38] i can haz tests plz [05:38] slackytude: only monday? [05:38] starting monday [05:38] rawramp (n=rawramp@adsl-87-102-68-72.karoo.KCOM.COM) left ##slackware ("Tara!"). [05:38] monday, wednsday, friday, monday [05:39] then break till 16th march [05:39] only 4? sounds easy. [05:39] :s [05:39] i mean, lucky you. [05:39] even -aspect 4:3 didn't work... wat is this crap [05:40] yeah, only four. I was lucky, the math prof gave us ( by us I mean the lazy dudes) a later date and software enginiring is in march too [05:41] Id be not good if I had to write math as well [05:41] Itd [05:41] I hate math [05:42] me neither, but don't tell anyone! [05:42] :) [05:43] I wont [05:43] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] Action: lw0x15 doesnt like maths either [05:44] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.32) joined ##slackware. [05:46] ssflying (n=ssflying@219.237.219.169) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:46] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [05:46] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [05:48] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.203) joined ##slackware. [05:48] screw it i'm going to bed. [05:48] even setting -aspect 4:3 didn't set the aspect to 4:3. i'm no software engineer, but if that doesn't do i don't see what will. [05:48] night all [05:49] nn [05:49] nite hiptobecubic [05:50] anything I know about ripping dvds is probably inaccurately remembered [05:50] ripped all the ones I have, and been too broke to buy new ones for a while now [05:51] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:52] wdyy (n=wdyy@211.138.36.203) left irc: Client Quit [05:54] xroberx (n=chat@221.Red-83-57-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) joined ##slackware. [05:54] hi [05:55] does anyone know if it is possible to upgrade gtk+ 2.14.x . I need to install a program which relies on features introduced in gtk+ 2.14 [05:57] all things are possible [05:57] nothing is impossible. [05:57] the questions are, will it be a huge pain in the ass, and will it break anything else? [05:57] and the answer is, try it :P [05:58] (not that I know the answers, but now you have more refined questions to ask...) [05:58] you could build your new gtk with --prefix=/usr/local/gtktest, so as not to disturb the existing gtk [05:59] (and you'd have to build your app the same way of course) [05:59] i see [06:03] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [06:04] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) joined ##slackware. [06:04] hey hey [06:05] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: "bbiab" [06:12] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Dimens (n=Dimens@78.107.190.212) joined ##slackware. [06:13] Dimens (n=Dimens@78.107.190.212) left irc: Client Quit [06:18] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@host68-44-dynamic.7-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:18] xroberx (n=chat@221.Red-83-57-22.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: "Exit" [06:19] gyroscope (n=master@unaffiliated/gyroscope) joined ##slackware. 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[07:33] is there a compare utility in slackware that will compare two text files and show differences? [07:33] diff [07:33] cmp [07:34] fred: do they have a gui? [07:34] kompare in kde [07:34] vimdiff [07:34] fred: thanx [07:35] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [07:36] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Client Quit [07:39] kama (n=kama@host246-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:41] does anyone know what kind of screwdriver you need to unscrew blackberries screws ? [07:42] lw0x15, is it a star shape with a pin in the middle? [07:42] like this? http://farm1.static.flickr.com/93/249207506_815d7b79ea.jpg?v=0 [07:43] i hate those. [07:43] btw afternoon. [07:43] Torx? [07:43] kunwon1: i think so its really tiny [07:44] Xaviertoor (n=Xavierto@189-015-75-070.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [07:44] but i googled an i found out i need T6 screwdriver [07:44] lw0x15, that's called tamper torx or secure torx or security torx or something [07:44] lw0x15, if it has the pin in the middle it's a special torx, if it doesn't it's regular torx [07:45] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) joined ##slackware. [07:46] got three blackberries they were outside for a bit [07:46] but hopefully they'll work [07:46] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.24) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:46] Nick change: Strykar_ -> Strykar [07:47] kama (n=kama@host246-112-dynamic.8-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Torx_driver_secure.png Tamper resistance! [07:49] yeah, it's a great example of security by obscurity [07:49] Action: fred has a bit for those.... [07:49] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.32) joined ##slackware. [07:49] they make peoples lifes misreable [07:49] specifically whichever size is used on a gamecube. [07:49] you can get security bit sets that contain like, every single weird bit you'd ever need [07:49] for like $10 at harbor freight [07:50] yay! i sim-unlocked my mobile phone! \o/ [07:50] http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=91310 [07:51] okay, $5 [07:51] kunwon1, Wikipedia seems to suggests that such "tamper-resistant" screws are to prevent mindless idiots from doing self-repair and modification. [07:51] ccfreak2k, maybe the non-persistant idiots [07:52] I dunno, when I was younger and taking things apart that I shouldn't have been, they didn't have all these fancy screws [07:52] won't somebody please think of the children [07:52] our future geeks aren't getting their fill of malicious disassembly [07:54] tribeca (n=naitso@host184-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:57] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:03] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.84.190) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [08:05] sbopkg just keeps getting better [08:05] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.63.201) joined ##slackware. [08:11] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [08:12] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:14] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [08:24] why is my second core usage is 100% always [08:24] :s [08:25] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:26] hohoxnes (n=hoho_1@125.71.65.242) joined ##slackware. [08:26] what does top report [08:27] it says top uses most cpu 98% lol [08:30] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [08:30] aha..i got it now [08:30] there was a top process hidden somewhere [08:30] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [08:30] seems ok fine [08:30] back to 4% [08:31] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [08:31] Hi guys.I need your help ! I set LC_CTYPE=zh_CN.gbk.then xterm says Warning: couldn't find charset data for locale zh_CN.gbk; using ISO 8859-1. and PS1 is different from console and ls' color is gone. I don't have any clue how could this happen [08:34] shinnok (n=shinnok@cs78158140.pp.htv.fi) joined ##slackware. [08:35] godling (n=harry@unaffiliated/godling) left irc: "leaving" [08:37] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:37] call a plumber! my intertubes keep getting clogged with ice [08:39] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn76.91-127-98.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [08:39] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [08:39] Pig_Pen: get some antifreeze [08:40] the temp is supposed to warm up to the mid 60's F' today :D [08:42] http://www.thelensflare.com/large/pacman_668.jpg [08:42] beware loose pacman [08:42] thats a cool pacman pic [08:42] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [08:43] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [08:43] How to know which file belongs to which package ? [08:43] Pig_Pen: cool until it starts eating your desktop [08:43] pip: grep filename /var/log/packages/* [08:44] http://farm1.static.flickr.com/102/291635623_c389454338.jpg pacman pie chart [08:44] thanks [08:46] i think either my ISP is having problems or someone is hammering them with a denial of service attack of some sort or another [08:50] testing [08:52] BrunoXLambert (n=BxL@dsl-10-133-24.b2b2c.ca) joined ##slackware. [08:55] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [08:55] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:56] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [08:59] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [08:59] Nestor (n=Nestor@189-015-214-212.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) joined ##slackware. [09:00] madnex (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [09:00] Nestor (n=Nestor@189-015-214-212.xd-dynamic.ctbcnetsuper.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [09:02] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.84.190) joined ##slackware. [09:03] which package is for hp device manager [09:04] i'd guess hplip [09:06] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [09:07] hmm, how can I issue a command from the /testing/* directory? [09:07] what do you mean? [09:08] it says From the /testing/packages/kde4 directory, use this command: ... [09:08] it means, download /testing/packages/kde4 somewhere :) [09:09] how can I download that particular directory? [09:09] wget -R ? [09:10] oh ok. [09:10] something like "rsync -vaz slackware.mirrors.tds.net::slackware/slackware-current/testing/packages/kde4 . " [09:10] alright. I'll go with that one ;) [09:10] shinnok (n=shinnok@cs78158140.pp.htv.fi) left irc: Client Quit [09:11] thrice`: and where is that going to download by default? [09:11] add --progress after -vaz to get a progress bar, actually :) [09:11] limac: the "." on the end means to the current dir. you can change that to another location [09:11] limac: to . (that is the working direcotry) [09:12] oh lol, that dot was too small for me to notice :P [09:12] alright, gotchaz ;) [09:12] it'll make a "kde4" dir, though, and put packages in there [09:12] hmm, how can I copy somthing from irssi? [09:13] :P [09:13] are you in xorg ? [09:13] mark it, and paste it with middle-mouse-button or whatever your wm supports [09:14] ... if you got a mouse. [09:14] nope. [09:14] thrice`: ^ [09:14] well, pen and paper :) [09:14] hehe, will do ;) [09:14] or switch to tty2 and start typing it there [09:15] mark it with shift+arrows then ctrl-c to copy then ctrl-v to paste [09:15] madnex (n=Nestor@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: "Leaving" [09:16] What is the command to check for updates on Slackware? [09:16] which updates? [09:16] slackpkg update [09:16] system updates [09:17] pip: Thnx [09:17] t0f (i=1000@dialup-4.238.230.149.Dial1.Philadelphia1.Level3.net) left irc: [09:17] welcome : ) [09:18] okie doks download haz started. [09:19] thank you very much thrice`, lowkyalur, and others who attempted :P to help. [09:19] sure :) good luck [09:19] so, when it says from the /testing/blah dir, you'll just go to where you downloaded the packages [09:20] rg3 (n=rg3@83.231.63.201) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:20] farabi (n=farabi@host-78-129-2-97.brutele.be) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6" [09:21] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [09:21] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [09:21] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) joined ##slackware. [09:21] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [09:21] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [09:23] where does slackpkg store downloaded packages ? [09:24] in /var/? somewhere [09:28] v4nelle (n=van@adsl62-231.lsf.forthnet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:30] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [09:32] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [09:34] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-4429338.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [09:35] /var/log/packages list all the packages you have installed [09:36] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [09:37] hi :) [09:38] ello tuxy [09:38] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:39] ggrrrrrrr, google says slackware.com may harm my computer ! [09:39] that's so true. [09:40] it could live forever and never find its place next to the Big Mainframe up there. [09:43] Camarade_Tux: thats the exact same problem my friend just had [09:44] with opera any result from google [09:44] ended up with warning [09:44] hmmm, right [09:44] surprisingly, youtube.com is not affected... [09:45] yo Camarade_Tux [09:45] how ya doing? [09:45] SupernalTriad (n=Supernal@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] yoyo slackytude [09:46] done with your exams? [09:46] doing really well, ski has been really nice :) [09:46] YO YO! [09:46] deLusion_ (n=deLusion@pool-173-65-163-125.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [09:46] slackytude, yeah, done since a week :p [09:46] heh, nice [09:46] mine start monday [09:46] helo [09:46] hi SupernalTriad [09:46] slackytude, hehe, stresssssssssssssssssss :D [09:46] what is up my kneegaz [09:47] ohh, noez. an irc thug wannabe [09:47] Camarade_Tux, heh, its still ok. math has been pushed back to april, so all is fine [09:47] ananke, pearls or diamonds? [09:48] Camarade_Tux, enjoy your skiing [09:48] slackytude, nice, it seems we all failed math however, we'll be correcting the exam with our teacher next week =/ [09:48] ouch [09:48] slackytude, yeah, exhausting at first but now I'm a bit fitter :p [09:48] slackytude, I should be alright with the math however [09:48] so, you have to rewrite math? [09:49] what kind of math [09:49] thrice`: ping [09:49] hmmm, I'm so fitter, I even type faster :p [09:49] heh [09:49] limac: yes? :) [09:49] Camarade_Tux, stress can crush a human [09:49] slackytude, probably not but I'm sure many others will [09:49] Camarade_Tux, alrighty then [09:50] thrice`: for some reason I can't seem to find that in my home directory (where that was supposed to be installed) [09:50] Action: slackytude goes back to brrod over his books [09:50] s/brrod/brood ? :P [09:50] eh, yeah [09:50] just my german accent [09:50] college books are a rip off [09:50] bRRud [09:50] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [09:50] ach [09:50] limac: where were you when you ran the command? [09:51] ~ [09:51] /home/limac [09:51] just the download or the install? [09:51] try "find /home -iname "*kde*.tgz" [09:52] why iname? [09:52] habbit, I guess :\ [09:52] did you look in tmp? [09:52] How do you rsync 2 directories without overwriting files with similar names? [09:53] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:53] --new-only or something [09:53] make sure you test it on fake directories [09:53] thrice`: lol, now we know what name it is saved under :P [09:53] or you will wipe out your shiz [09:54] thrice`: I was doing ls | grep test* [09:54] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:54] thrice`: so it is there under the folder kde4 ;) [09:54] :-) [09:54] --ignore-existing skip updating files that exist on receiver [09:55] limac: cryptic :) [09:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [09:55] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:56] i need a fun project for the next hour [09:57] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:57] SupernalTriad: make a program that can find the roots of a quadratic :P [09:57] thats too easy [09:57] and useless [09:57] compile gnome [09:57] thats not fun [09:57] and not fun [09:57] and not one hour [09:58] heh [09:58] ti-83 can do taht [09:58] ok...code an ISR for the proc :P [09:58] implement a pascal unit for cryptography? [09:58] in basic heh [09:58] Action: slackytude does smoke break [09:59] there was this amazon ec2 system that was deep linking to my server...maybe ill write something to raise its cpu/net usage so they have to pay more [09:59] lol [10:00] boredd [10:00] ClaudioM (n=ClaudioM@c-76-108-13-112.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:00] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [10:00] anyone need a php script written [10:01] SupernalTriad: you could figure out why my hdd never sleeps [10:03] whoosh, kde4 aint bad ;) [10:03] better than fvwm? [10:03] god i hate this [10:03] : /usr/bin/perl^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory [10:03] lol [10:03] limac: awesome :) [10:04] SupernalTriad: http://projecteuler.net [10:04] wtf, who broke google? [10:05] Google did. [10:05] kamaji, whats broken [10:05] SupernalTriad: http://fred.uwcs.co.uk/b/googlefail.png [10:05] its still crawling my bot trap [10:05] SupernalTriad: every site is malicious :D [10:05] http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7tupm/whats_up_with_google_today_everytime_i_do_a/ [10:05] What is the 'ls' option that will list only directories? [10:05] they're censorship engine has failed [10:06] kleanchap, ls *. maybe [10:06] i think that works.... [10:06] http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm <- f*** google [10:07] or maybe ls -d */ [10:07] -d [10:08] or tree -d :P [10:08] kleanchap, find . -type d -maxdepth 1 [10:08] and then... for something useful [10:08] kleanchap, find . -type d -maxdepth 1 -exec chmod 555 '{}' \; [10:09] SupernalTriad: That's one good way to do it. There is another method.....ls -d */ or something like that..... [10:09] kleanchap, i know...i forget though [10:10] kleanchap, ls -p|grep "/" [10:10] lol [10:10] kleanchap, ls -p -1|grep "/" [10:10] MooMan (n=Brandon@host86-138-44-233.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [10:10] http://digg.com/tech_news/Someone_is_about_to_get_fired_at_Google [10:11] i have digg blocked in hosts file [10:11] now reddit is even more censored than digg [10:11] i hate censorship SO much [10:12] MooMan : yes. because nobody else has noticed it. thanks for being a swell guy, and keeping us informed [10:12] MooMan: booo [10:12] Lol, boo. [10:13] ananke, not a problem, enjoy diggin thanks =] [10:13] digg is the worst source to get the news [10:13] hmm google keeps on showing this site may harm your computer. dunno what to do about that. [10:13] digg ****ing sucks [10:13] :)) [10:13] and reddit is controlled by mossad / wired zionists [10:13] limac: call the VP of google? [10:14] limac: Harm the computer in what way? [10:14] they have many forms of censorship...most of them invisible to the one being censored [10:14] kjell: i dunno, KDE 4.2 started showing this message. [10:14] limac : yes, google is broken. thanks for the update [10:14] limac : it's not kde 4.2. it's google that's broken. [10:14] pupit (n=p@91.150.106.84) joined ##slackware. [10:14] search.majestic12.co.uk will be better than google some day [10:14] ananke: ah alright. [10:15] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F80A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F80A.dip.t-dialin.net) left ##slackware ("Client Exiting"). [10:16] google is echelon [10:16] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F80A.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:16] lol.. 4.2 BROKE GOOGLE! [10:16] lol [10:16] noobfarm it [10:16] google will buy facebook and twitter...and then put it into the SWS sentient world simulations project [10:16] GoogleNet [10:16] and track all the lemmings [10:17] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:17] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:17] wtf is up with google [10:17] scroogle.org [10:17] http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm works fine [10:18] holy shit.. the amount of comments on that reddit thread goes by tens every minute [10:18] google is fixed [10:19] it is? [10:19] yep [10:19] sweet [10:19] yup :) [10:20] google works fine for me [10:20] http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=google+is+echelon&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= [10:20] it just got fixed [10:20] woohoo [10:20] oh [10:20] Channel flood from kamaji -- kicking [10:20] damni [10:20] kamaji kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:20] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:21] I need to read up more [10:21] yeah, looks like it [10:21] very strange [10:22] who are you talking to [10:23] Action: slackytude waits for the /. entry [10:23] damn [10:23] MooMan (n=Brandon@host86-138-44-233.range86-138.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:23] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.4.32) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:23] already in /. [10:24] straterra (n=straterr@brutalexistenceradio.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [10:24] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:24] rg3_ (n=rg3@83.231.84.190) left irc: "Quit" [10:24] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.34.67) joined ##slackware. [10:25] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [10:25] How to do cpufreqency control ? [10:26] I just installed firefox from the source, but how can I like add an the icon to the shell script of firefox? [10:27] make a link to the script [10:27] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) joined ##slackware. [10:28] oh ok. [10:28] pip: I do it from rc.local [10:28] STEEDLES [10:28] I load acpi-cpufreq, and have this in rc.local: echo ondemand > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor [10:29] hey, just set up a new slackware box and whenever i try to login a user other than root, the user gets logged in, but after that all i get is a: Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied [10:29] thrice`, Is there any wiki doc ? [10:29] does anyone have any ideas on that? [10:29] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) joined ##slackware. [10:29] lin, do you have any partitions for /bin/ ? [10:29] nope [10:30] thats f'd up, did you md5sum your cd [10:30] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:30] i get the same when i do "sudo -u nils whatever_command"... [10:30] did you md5sum the .iso [10:30] yeah [10:30] ls -l /bin/bash [10:30] i used a slackware 12.0 dvd which i have used a COUPLE times so far [10:30] maybe you arent in the right group [10:31] why there isn't initrd.gz in my /boot ? [10:31] pip, because you didnt make it? [10:31] -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 678832 2007-05-11 00:19 /bin/bash* [10:31] lin: fresh install? any pre-existing /home or partitions? [10:31] hba (n=hba@189.188.154.109) joined ##slackware. [10:31] lin: take a look at /etc/group [10:31] no, got rid of all that [10:31] i DID take a look a /etc/group [10:31] those are the correct permissions [10:32] groups username [10:32] everthing looks just fine, like always [10:32] what does "groups" say ? [10:32] users floppy audio video cdrom plugdev [10:33] thrice, i cant run groups a another user than root [10:33] same for me: wheel floppy audio video cdrom plugdev [10:33] lin did you set your / partition to 'noexec' in /etc/fstab ? And what are the permissions of / and /bin ? [10:33] has all default [10:33] SupernalTriad: make a hard link of firefox? [10:33] ur fresh install is fubar..........i would not continue if you didnt break it yourself [10:33] bgeddy (n=bgeddy@82-42-231-37.cable.ubr19.live.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [10:34] limac, hide the script and use kde to make a shortcut [10:34] bin is: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4328 2009-01-31 16:07 bin/ [10:34] SupernalTriad, Isn't is shipped with slackware installation ? [10:34] pip, no, README.initrd is [10:35] lin: what does "mount" say for your / line? [10:35] well, so far i actually didn't DO ANYTHING to it, except creating a user and trying to log in... [10:35] SupernalTriad: but its shortcut is also having the same properties as the shell script. [10:35] then make a new user that you didnt screw up...else reinstall cuz its fubar [10:35] which is not letting me change the ico. [10:35] limac: if you built firefox from source you should have installed a .desktop file as well - that will give you a menu entry with an icon [10:35] /dev/mapper/hyve-root on / type reiserfs (rw) [10:35] limac, thats wacky [10:35] pip: have a lookg at /boot/README.initrd (which is actually a link to /usr/doc/mkinitrd*/README.initrd) [10:35] is also tried to create other users, always the same [10:35] Sure, thanks [10:36] only root can do ANYTHING on this machine, but no other user [10:36] And where to read about cpufreq ? [10:36] the google problem is now on ars techinca [10:36] technica even [10:36] lin but what are the perms of / itself ? [10:36] ah, one sec [10:37] alienBOB, drwxr-xr-x 20 root root 488 2009-01-31 16:07 ./ [10:37] strange :\ [10:37] as is said, i used this dvd before, succesfully, and so far i only created a user using useradd [10:38] NOTHING else [10:38] alienBOB: I wouldn't technically call it installed from source...but i downloaded the source, untarred it, and in that untarred directory there was all the need libs and a firefox executable shell script. [10:38] not firefox.desktop [10:38] s/not/no [10:39] i even straced a "su USER" [10:39] Well that is not "source" limac... try to use Slackware's SlackBuild script with an updated VERSION variable to build yourself a new firefox package [10:39] lin, download 12.2 and retry....who knows what else is broken [10:39] OldGringo (n=amigo@p54B0F80A.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Client Exiting" [10:40] XsPiDeR (n=xspider@95-42-166-229.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:40] yeah, thought about that, but i would REALLY like to know what caused this [10:40] Why download 12.2 again [10:40] Somthing is broken for non-root - which means that Slackware is installed, only wrongly configured [10:40] because he is on 12.0? [10:40] MAYBE? [10:40] alienBOB what could that be? [10:40] zch-alexa (n=zch05138@117.86.26.176) left irc: Connection timed out [10:40] SupernalTriad: you're very rude [10:40] Quite [10:40] riiight [10:40] If he wants to use 12.0 he will have his reasons [10:40] and re-installing is the boring answer [10:41] thrice EXACTLY [10:41] alienBOB: alright, thank you :) [10:41] lin logging in as user fails, but what if you login as root and then "su - yourname" ? Does it behave differntly? [10:42] lin, check /home/ [10:42] alienBOB no, thats why i am trying to say [10:42] So... my first KDE4 start resulted in a painfully slow "plasma" screensaver with a stuck mouse cursor in the middle, and killall -9 X turned X into a zombie, heh. [10:42] alienBOB i get that on ANY command i try to execute with sudo -u USER COMMAND [10:43] alienBOB AND su WHATEVERUSER [10:43] EuroTrash, killall -9 xscreensaver [10:43] supernalTriad and when did i say i'm using 12.0??? [10:44] i used a slackware 12.0 dvd which i have used a COUPLE times so far [10:44] Hm a reboot in init 4 and now it seems to be fine. Weird :) [10:44] that doesn't mean a 12.0 install [10:44] EuroTrash: sounds like what windows would do [10:44] EuroTrash, use ctrl + alt + backspace next time maybe [10:44] is mozplugger the firefox sbo? [10:44] SupernalTriad: tried, didn't work, unfortunately. [10:44] limac: no, in the official slackware source/ tree [10:44] Nor did console switching. [10:44] lol [10:45] ssh in [10:45] _theradar (n=hjhayes@adsl-158-164-109.mia.bellsouth.net) left irc: "[BX] We drink more beers than Norm on Cheers!" [10:45] But it's starting now. Weird glitch, I guess. [10:45] ok [10:45] Yeah that's how I killed X, which turned into a 90% CPU using zombie :D [10:45] nadeto (n=nadeto@79-100-78-66.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [10:45] hi [10:45] helo [10:45] what can be the reason [10:45] limac: the script is called a SlackBuild not a sbo [10:45] to don`t have sound in vbox? [10:46] It looks rather pretty! [10:46] Have to fix freetype, though. I don't normally use anti-aliasing. [10:46] nadeto, did you setup a sound devcie in vbox [10:46] no. how to do this? [10:46] so it looks like no one has any ideao whats going on? [10:46] only alsaconfig [10:47] nadeto, in the virtual machine configuration [10:47] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-143.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:47] durrrrrrrrrr [10:47] lin: how many partitions ? [10:47] virtual machine???????? [10:47] lin, i do [10:47] i don`t have virtual machine... [10:47] nick4 (n=fffeop@adsl39-10.kln.forthnet.gr) left irc: [10:47] lin, reinstall or deal with a horribly broken system forever....there could be hundreds of weird things going on [10:47] how many partitions? /, boot and home [10:47] lin: and a fresh /home ? [10:48] jap [10:48] for fun, what does ls -dl /home/user say ? [10:48] thrice`: Mornin' [10:48] nadeto: VirtualBox == software to run an OS in a virtual machine [10:48] lin, maybe your /home is borked [10:48] like i said...cant chdir [10:49] but this is required to have sound in vbox? [10:49] nadeto, #virtualbox [10:49] FriedBob: heyo :) [10:49] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn76.91-127-98.t-com.sk) joined ##slackware. [10:49] but is this required to have sound in vbox? [10:49] thrice`: How goes? [10:49] no other way? [10:50] thrice drwxr-xr-x 2 nils users 48 2009-01-31 15:36 /home/nils// [10:50] hmm can't fine it in source either. [10:50] nadeto, FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUu [10:50] find* [10:50] SupernalTriad what? [10:50] thrice`: nope not there. [10:51] thrice as i've already said, on the login screen, the user gets logged in, and AFTER that the permission problem arises [10:51] nadeto, we dont support virtual box dumb questions here. you go to the freaking options and set a virtual sound device [10:51] it takes 3 seconds [10:51] lin login screen? Try runlevel 3 before you go graphical [10:51] thrice`: nm, found it. [10:51] thank you. [10:51] :) [10:51] sure [10:51] alienBOB sorry, i meant in runlevel 3!!! [10:52] k [10:52] Password: [10:52] Linux 2.6.27.7. [10:52] Last login: Sat Jan 31 16:28:55 +0100 2009 on tty3. [10:52] Channel flood from lin -- kicking [10:52] No mail. [10:52] Cannot execute /bin/bash: Permission denied [10:52] lin kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [10:52] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) joined ##slackware. [10:52] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) left irc: "leaving" [10:52] but is nessesary to use virtual machine to have sound in vbox? [10:52] but why is nessesary to use virtual machine to have sound in vbox? [10:53] lin, have you tried a brand new user, without recycling /home/nls/ ? [10:53] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) joined ##slackware. [10:53] just plan dumb today [10:53] lin, have you tried a brand new user, without recycling /home/nls/ ? [10:53] someone kick this guy [10:53] thrice YES, i did to so [10:54] you haven't messed with /etc/passwd or anything, either? [10:54] thrice no [10:54] lin did you run any commands as root after installing Slackware (other than adduser) - commands involving "chmod" ? [10:54] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [10:54] nadeto: do you actually know what VirtualBox does? What do you want to use it for? [10:55] alienBOB: Obviously to have sound. ;) [10:55] alienBOB no, all i did was install it in a lvm/cryptsetup, started it, created a user and tried to log in as that user... [10:55] no :) [10:55] SupernalTriad: nadeto may be ignorant but you are quite pissant. Warning #1`to try and behave [10:55] only want sound in vbox [10:56] no no [10:56] but......... [10:56] alienBOB, DITTO! [10:56] some weeks ago i have sound. now don`t have...... :( [10:56] you tell me to be "Quite" when im talking to lin [10:56] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:56] be nice [10:56] nadeto: try to tell us _exactly_ what you want to run iside virtualbox (if that is what you mean by vbox) [10:56] because you're telling him to reinstall, which is silly [10:57] thats what i thought too [10:57] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [10:57] ##slackware: mode change '+b *!*n=Supern*@*.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [10:57] SupernalTriad kicked from ##slackware by alienBOB: alienBOB [10:57] Bye [10:57] bye bye [10:57] pwned [10:57] alienBOB: Thanks. [10:57] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [10:57] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) joined ##slackware. [10:58] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [10:59] lin: can you maybe try "cd / ; ls -la ? [10:59] why to use virtual box? [10:59] He'll just get back under another nick... like he switched from NeoZionist to SupernalTriad [10:59] cause virtualbox is awesome [10:59] but pastebin that one [10:59] is it heavy? [10:59] madnex (n=madnex@unaffiliated/madnex) left irc: Client Quit [11:00] nadeto: so tell us. What is vbox and where did you get it. And what doe you want to use it for [11:00] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-158-237.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:00] vbox7.com [11:01] also youtube........ [11:01] heh, different vbox :) [11:01] aaaaaaaaaaaa [11:01] :))))))))))))) [11:01] yes yes [11:01] Channel flood from nadeto -- kicking [11:01] :p [11:01] nadeto kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [11:01] lol [11:01] thrice one second, kinda messy to do i a console [11:01] nadeto (n=nadeto@79-100-78-66.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [11:02] Dimens (n=Dimens@93-81-4-143.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "#E>6C O >B 20A (xchat 2.4.5 8;8 AB0@H5)" [11:02] lin: if you need a good way to pastebin from console, wgetpaste is a good tool [11:02] as root, "wget -qO - http://wgetpaste.zlin.dk/wgetpaste-2.12.bz2 | bunzip2 - > /usr/bin/wgetpaste && chmod +x /usr/bin/wgetpaste [11:02] and then you can pipe commands to a pastebin, like "cd / ; ls -la | wgetpaste" [11:02] re [11:02] :) [11:02] thrice`: sweet [11:03] thrice thx [11:04] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [11:04] MLanden (n=mello@pool-70-18-158-237.norf.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [11:04] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:05] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Client Quit [11:05] thrice http://dpaste.com/115011/ [11:05] so how can i hear sound in vbox7.com :) [11:06] lin: why did you change root's /home ? [11:06] nadeto, lovely [11:06] thrice i know it looks strange but i had it like that for a LONG time and it never gave me any problems [11:06] where does executing a slackbuilds usually create a directory? [11:07] thrice i once did it because of some space issues [11:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.247) joined ##slackware. [11:07] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:07] pip? [11:07] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [11:07] benone (n=benone@66.110.125.188) joined ##slackware. [11:08] an nm found it :P [11:09] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-153-103.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:09] thrice so do you see anything unusual with /, because i don't [11:09] personally, I would try formatting /home (after backing stuff up) and re-mounting it [11:09] everything on / looks ok, and that's the only thing that was tampered with [11:10] well, there is nothing on it, so that shouldn't be a problem [11:10] Razec (n=razec@201-68-172-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [11:10] actually, one more: ls -dl /dev/pts/ [11:11] may be no solution!? [11:12] thrice drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 0 2009-01-31 17:14 /dev/pts// [11:12] MOO [11:12] that's good too :( /home is my last idea [11:13] mew [11:13] nadeto (n=nadeto@79-100-78-66.btc-net.bg) left irc: "Leaving" [11:13] v4nelle (n=van@adsl62-231.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:14] alienBOB: firefox.SlackBuild in /tmp/SBo/package-mozilla.../usr/share/application/firefox.desktop says: .../firefox.desktop has no Type=...entry. [11:14] i would re-create /home if it's an easy task, and create a new user without symlinking /root over there [11:14] s/firefox.slackbuilds/desktop [11:14] s/desktop/firefox.desktop :p [11:15] thrice ok, just a sec [11:17] thrice done, SAME PROBLEM [11:18] sorry, i'm out of ideas then :( [11:18] no problem [11:18] and, ls -dl /home/newuser ? [11:18] its HELLA strange [11:18] never had that kind of problems [11:18] lin: what happened? [11:18] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:19] thrice one line only: drwx--x--x 2 thrice users 112 2009-01-31 17:17 /home/thrice// [11:19] / perms are ok, library dir perms are ok, pts is ok, user is good :| [11:20] i even named the user after you, thought maybe today you had better KARMA than me [11:20] hehe [11:22] hmm, alienBOB doesn't seem to be here atm, any ideas on that error? [11:23] i could pastebin a strace of su thrice if that would help you, i looked at it, and it looks fine until /bin/bash is executed... [11:23] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "passear!!" [11:23] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:24] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [11:24] thrice http://dpaste.com/115022/ if your interested... [11:24] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:26] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [11:29] thrice so no one has any clues? i suppose i might have to go the sucker-way of reinstalling... [11:29] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) joined ##slackware. [11:30] straterra (n=straterr@ipv6.projectstfu.com) joined ##slackware. [11:30] reaver__ (n=reaver@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: "Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com" [11:30] JavaShin (n=JavaShin@unaffiliated/javashin) left irc: Client Quit [11:32] XsPiDeR (n=xspider@95-42-166-229.btc-net.bg) left irc: [11:32] lin have you checked all the files in /lib for permissions issues? Like, do you have files there that are only readable by root? Also, posting "ls -la /" results would be welcome [11:32] sahko (n=sahko@ppp-94-68-153-103.home.otenet.gr) left irc: "leaving" [11:33] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.32) left irc: [11:33] alienBOB: i did pastebin that ls -la result earlier... i'm cheking permissions now [11:35] alienBOB: i believe you might just be my hero today, something looks UTTERLY WEIRD in /lib [11:35] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [11:35] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [11:35] lin likely one or more of the libs that /bin/bash needs is unreadable for non-root [11:36] alienBOB: yeah, that was it, i just did a chmod on all of them libs in there and now it works [11:37] alienBOB: thanks a LOT, but i'm still wondering why that happened, i certainly didn't do that... [11:37] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:37] lin... you will probably never find out [11:37] alienBOB: i suppose so, but again, thx, saving me from a lot of hassle [11:38] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:40] awesome :) I guess my wrong assumption that since /lib was OK, /lib/* would be too [11:41] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-088-068-031-150.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [11:41] thrice`: thats what i was thinking too, but again, ya never know [11:41] thrice`: That's what you get for assuming. ;) [11:42] thrice`: luckily i didn't listen to that supernaltriad fool [11:42] indeed :) [11:43] thrice`: there might be one more thing you might be able to help me with, i have experienced some problems with mkinitrd, let me explain... [11:44] thrice`: i habe a crypted partition with a lvm group in it [11:44] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [11:44] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:44] thrice`: so i thought i might be using it the wrong way, i mean when creating it... [11:45] I can try, but alienBOB might be the crypt expert :) [11:45] thrice`: ah, ok [11:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.247) left irc: "leaving" [11:46] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.141.247) joined ##slackware. [11:47] thrice`: anyway, its not so important right now, i might just come back for that [11:48] thrice`: i just thought of something, maybe that will help [11:49] Razec (n=razec@201-68-172-144.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:51] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) left irc: "leaving" [11:52] tiny (n=ivob@unaffiliated/tiny) left irc: "Leaving" [11:54] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [11:55] erisco (n=kambee@ip68-9-162-53.ri.ri.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [11:56] suid0 (n=suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [11:59] P4C0 (n=pcuser@190.141.76.51) joined ##slackware. [12:00] i cant believe it [12:00] I got hacked! [12:00] hohoxnes (n=hoho_1@125.71.65.242) left ##slackware. [12:00] i bought this tony hark pro skater 4 CD years ago [12:00] and it never worked on any m$ box [12:00] and i just loaded it through wine [12:00] and it works :> [12:01] P4C0: so, reinstall the computer and protect yourself from getting hacked next time [12:01] Do not trust your hacked PC any longer. [12:03] alienBOB: do you know why I got that error after installing the SB? [12:03] the error is posted above. [12:04] limac: " firefox.SlackBuild in /tmp/SBo/package-mozilla" ? The mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild script of Slackware does not use /tmp/SBo [12:04] What exactly did you try to build? [12:04] alienBOB: yes, that's what i will do... it was ubuntu server... out of the box... quite strange, somehow they got in, put on apache with an italian back and installed sendmail... :p [12:05] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [12:05] alienBOB: good thing is that I have the pc here, so I'll try to get an image and see if I can find how they got it... but next installation will be slackware... [12:06] alienBOB:s/firefox.SlackBuilds/firefox.desktop :P [12:06] limac: you should take the stuff in /source/xap/mozilla-firefox/ , download a newer firefox binary tarball and edit mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild 's VERSION= line to match the version of the new tarball [12:07] Then run ./mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild and use "upgradepkg" on the final package created in /tmp [12:07] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) joined ##slackware. [12:07] alienBOB: oh yikes, I ran installpkg instead of upgradepkg. [12:07] lemme do that again. [12:08] installpkg will be fine, if only you did not have a firefox package installed yet [12:08] ice9 (n=ice9@mn-10k-dhcp2-1906.dsl.hickorytech.net) joined ##slackware. [12:08] having issues with DB's postgres mainly [12:09] alienBOB: i encountered a problem with mkinitrd, i use a lvm setup inside a crypted volume, and the generated mkinitrd isn't able to boot my system, because the cryptdevice and the lvm devices get the same name assigned [12:09] I can get it work on ruby but no just standalone for other apps [12:10] lin - you can always edit /boot/initrd-tree/init and hardcode a different name for the mapped device [12:11] alienBOB: i know, that is exactly why i am able to talk to you right now ;D [12:11] when I type in su - postgres there is no ID [12:11] FDCX (i=0@94.176.32.6) joined ##slackware. [12:11] alienBOB: i just thought there might be some editing needed in there, so that it works correclty by itself [12:11] Guest53485 (n=eddie@pool-68-161-223-241.ny325.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:15] alienBOB: well, I had 3.0.4 installed so I upgrdaepkg ...3.0.5. and it deleted all the 3.0.4 stuff, but still the firefox.desktop in .local is saying 3.0.4. [12:15] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:15] s/firefox.desktop/mozilla-firefox.desktop [12:16] alienBOB: in the init it uses CRYPTDEV=$(basename $ROOTDEV) and if one would change that to use something else (and change the entry in crypttab accordingly), i believe it might save some hassle [12:16] guys, what's the best way to keep slackware up to date? slapt-get? [12:17] rsync, upgradepkg is what i use [12:17] slackpkg :) [12:17] sign up for the slackware-security mailing list to keep up to date [12:19] rsync to local mirror + slackpkg. [12:20] wget + upgradepkg + coffee [12:20] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:20] :) [12:20] Politics (n=Internet@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [12:22] hba: you mean you touch the root account before having had suitable ammounts of coffee? ;) [12:22] ok, screw upgradepkg, wget + 'cd / && tar xvf $package && cd /install && ./doinst.sh' + coffee [12:22] BP{k}: hahah yeah :) [12:22] (that would leave a /install btw) ;) [12:22] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Connection timed out [12:22] do I need the .asc for a slackbuild? [12:23] BP{k}: yeah, but its ok, cause there will be more updates ;) [12:23] hba: hehe :) [12:23] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [12:24] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.114.16.226.plusnet.thn-ag3.dyn.plus.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [12:24] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.232.166) joined ##slackware. [12:25] smeding (n=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:28] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:29] uh oh [12:31] PsYkHe (n=psykhe@201-39-107-111-ebt.cm.ja.net.br) joined ##slackware. [12:32] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-019-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined ##slackware. [12:35] so hot and boring [12:35] makes me sleepy [12:37] tribeca (n=naitso@host184-14-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: "see you next time" [12:38] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] i hope the plumber unclogged the intertubes [12:38] when running postgres do you have to add the user postgres cause I though it added it when you installed the DB ? [12:39] alienBOB: ping. [12:41] Guest53485 (n=eddie@pool-68-161-223-241.ny325.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:42] brb [12:42] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "leaving" [12:42] Dr4kk4r_ (n=Dr4kk4r@83.103.39.119) joined ##slackware. [12:42] Sera a tutti [12:43] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [12:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: [12:45] I am getting this error executing the mozilla-firefox.Slackbuilds for some reason: http://pastebin.ca/1323734 [12:47] limac, getting 'host not found' with pastebin.ca - they had some problems earlier to [12:48] Dr4kk4r_: what? [12:48] might want to try rafb.net [12:49] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com [12:50] dive: ./mozilla-firefox.SlackBuild Hmm... Looks like a unified diff to me... The text leading up to this was: -------------------------- |--- ./firefox.orig 2008-05-29 15:21:18.000000000 -0500 [12:50] limac, ok working now [12:50] ouch sorry. [12:50] http://rafb.net/p/z4mc6Y24.html [12:50] any idea what is causing that error? [12:51] maybe a wrong patch [12:51] let me look up the sb [12:51] limac: what exactly are you trying to build? [12:51] BP{k}: firefox from source. [12:51] limac: slackbuild from where? [12:51] indeed [12:52] you're actually trying from source, btw [12:52] ftp://slackware.cs.utah.edu/pub/slackware/slackware-12.2/source/xap/mozilla-firefox/ [12:52] *HEADDESK* [12:52] *FACEPALM* [12:53] smeding (i=smeding@5354BE76.cable.casema.nl) joined ##slackware. [12:53] limac: that script binary repacks firefox. *NOT* build it from source [12:53] Action: limac claps [12:53] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-236.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [12:53] BP{k}: he's actually trying the binary [12:53] yeah, that. [12:53] i think, anyway [12:53] lol [12:54] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) got netsplit. [12:54] Ebola (i=ebola@unaffiliated/ebola) got netsplit. [12:54] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) got netsplit. [12:54] pireau_ (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got netsplit. [12:54] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) got netsplit. [12:54] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) got netsplit. [12:54] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) got netsplit. [12:54] doki_pen (n=doki_pen@doki-pen.org) got netsplit. [12:54] ag3ntugly (n=x@unaffiliated/ag3ntugly) got netsplit. [12:54] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [12:54] thrice`: you mean he doesn't even know what he's doing? ;) [12:54] i'm pretty sure :) [12:55] Ebola (i=ebola@goatse.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [12:55] rk4n3 (n=rk4n3@71.39.203.106) returned to ##slackware. [12:56] so how can I get 3.0.5 building it from source? [12:56] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: Remote closed the connection [12:56] pireau (i=chaos@208.92.18.79) joined ##slackware. [12:56] StevenR (n=foo@wan1.sghs.org.uk) returned to ##slackware. [12:56] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) joined ##slackware. [12:56] .... [12:56] Nick change: Ebola -> Guest40334 [12:56] initself (n=initself@wsip-68-15-84-25.oc.oc.cox.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:56] doki_pen (n=doki_pen@doki-pen.org) returned to ##slackware. [12:56] rapid (i=rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) joined ##slackware. [12:56] limac: why do you want to do that ? [12:56] ag3ntugly (n=x@doc-24-32-9-104.terrell.tx.cebridge.net) returned to ##slackware. [12:56] limac: oh hai, you can haz google? [12:56] if ff comes with slack already [12:57] yeah [12:57] i can has burgar? :( [12:58] (##slackware) Channel ban on *!*n=Supern*@*.hsd1.ga.comcast.net expired. [12:58] ##slackware: mode change '-b *!*n=Supern*@*.hsd1.ga.comcast.net' by slackboy!n=thongson@li6-30.members.linode.com [12:58] limac: how do you think to sucseed by just (apparently) randomly trying. if you had /read/ the slackbuild .. you would have noticed this: [12:59] "# This is not a source build script. Rather, it builds a Slackware package from the official binary tarball available from mozilla.org." [13:00] pireau_ (i=chaos@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) got lost in the net-split. [13:00] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) got lost in the net-split. [13:00] harmattan (n=harmatta@mancomo.psi.ucm.es) left irc: Connection reset by peer [13:00] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [13:00] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) left ##slackware. [13:00] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [13:00] limac: just download the official ff 3.0.5 package from slackware and install it: # upgradepkg packagename [13:00] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] IceChant (n=icechant@87.69.184.39) joined ##slackware. [13:01] BP{k}: ...about that... :P [13:02] ah, the supernal guy is gone. Good. [13:03] thumbs, no -b [13:03] ban lifted [13:03] but he was banned is the point [13:03] I think he'll be banned once he re-joins. [13:03] let's hope [13:04] imexius (n=imexius@S01060018f85afd84.tb.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] Looks like there is no need to. Firefox somehow upgraded to 3.0.5 all by itself :S [13:04] ... [13:04] not sure what I did. [13:04] ... [13:04] "le sigh* [13:04] why are you running as root? [13:04] lol [13:04] spook: that's the same as assking why some people run with scissors [13:05] sweet, I made everybody upset. [13:05] ... [13:05] nah [13:05] letting firefox update itself breaks alot of things [13:05] limac: if you run as a user, why do you have write access to where FF is installed? [13:05] limac: not really. [13:05] anyone know a good place for linux graphics ? [13:06] gimp and inkscape? [13:06] thumbs: I don't exactly understand the question. [13:06] spook: I mean like pictures and stuff :] [13:06] limac: FF shouldn't be able to update itself. [13:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [13:07] thumbs: it was probably the upgradepkg :) [13:07] actually it was the upgradepkg. [13:07] gimp and inkscape? [13:07] limac: i.e. the installed FF should be owned by root, with restrictive permissions, and your user should not be able to write there [13:07] you ran upgradepkg? bah [13:08] yup :) [13:08] Dragonaut_ (n=Sleep@adsl-ull-103-147.51-151.net24.it) joined ##slackware. [13:10] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:15] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [13:16] j0z (n=LINUX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: "just for today" [13:17] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] thank you for all the help who ever helped me :) [13:18] limac (n=limac@ool-44c1ff82.dyn.optonline.net) left ##slackware. 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[13:37] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:37] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:40] hello, I've burned Slackware 12.2 DVD from Windows but it doesn't boot, am I doing something wrong? [13:40] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:40] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] Dragonaut_: how did you burn the iso, exactly? [13:40] Dragonaut_: also, did you run md5sum on the iso first? [13:41] ataxic_ (n=ataxic@87.113.95.196.plusnet.pte-ag2.dyn.plus.net) joined ##slackware. [13:41] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [13:41] did you burn as "an image" [13:41] I've burned this ftp://ftp.eutelia.it/Slackware_Mirror/slackware-12.2/ [13:42] that doesn't answer our questions [13:42] no MD5 [13:42] Dragonaut_, use http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm to burn an iso [13:42] me_ (n=me_@78.149.191.182) joined ##slackware. [13:42] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.0x535bd556.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:42] Dragonaut_ : when you browse that cd in windows, what do you see? [13:42] I see the various directories and files [13:43] josemanuel (n=josemanu@70.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) joined ##slackware. [13:43] like the website [13:43] Dragonaut_ : that's a good sign [13:43] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [13:43] Dragonaut_ : now, when you try to boot to the cd, what happens? [13:43] Dragonaut_: run md5sum on your .iso file first. Then compare it to the proper value on the mirror [13:43] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [13:44] ok, I'll create the iso [13:44] don't create the iso [13:44] lowkyalur (n=low@icm13-orange.orange.sk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:44] you'll create what? [13:44] doh, i think i know what happened :) [13:45] he made his own iso? [13:45] oh boy. [13:45] Dragonaut_ : you just burned the content of that directory, instead of downloading an ISO [13:45] exactly [13:45] Dragonaut_ : no wonder why it's not booting. there is no bootloader [13:46] download and burn the iso [13:46] as an image [13:46] Dragonaut_ : isos are here: ftp://ftp.eutelia.it/Slackware_Mirror/slackware-12.2-iso [13:47] Dragonaut_: or bit torrent: http://www.slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php [13:47] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:47] habtool (n=habtool@86-41-88-176-dynamic.b-ras2.chf.cork.eircom.net) joined ##slackware. [13:48] ataxic (n=ataxic@87.112.232.166) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:48] so there's no way I can use the files I've downloaded? [13:48] unless you make a boot loader, no [13:50] me_ (n=me_@78.149.191.182) left irc: "me_em" [13:50] ok, I'll download the iso then [13:51] thanks for the help [13:53] PsYkHe (n=psykhe@201-39-107-111-ebt.cm.ja.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:53] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:58] Dragonaut_ (n=Sleep@adsl-ull-103-147.51-151.net24.it) left irc: "ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.0.5/2008120122]" [13:58] tea4me (n=tea4me@DS-PROCTOR.WPI.EDU) joined ##slackware. [13:59] why can't he create the iso on windows? or at least use the files he's already downloaded and make usb boot disk? [13:59] thumbs, uhh, there scripts to make the iso are included, it should work with cygwin [14:00] jonsmith1982, he should be able to [14:00] but he left and we can't tell him [14:00] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [14:00] fAu (n=fAu@82.193.26.75) left irc: "42" [14:01] if there is a god he must love stupid people beause he made so many of them :D [14:02] edman007: what makes you think he had cygwin to begin with? [14:02] Ugh. So. My wifi bridge works fine with all linux boxes in the house, with WPA2 encryption. [14:02] much easier for him to get the iso and burn it [14:02] thumbs, sounds like its a bandwidth issue, cygwin would be faster [14:02] The windows laptop has trouble loading sites that use AJAX. [14:03] mooglenorph, thats not a wifi issue [14:03] edman007, it works fine for those sites when it is connected to the wired network. [14:04] Where should I start looking? Is there something I can do to the bridge interface that might fix this? [14:04] mooglenorph, are you sure you have a stable connection? because ajax has nothing to do with wifi, it works if you are connected [14:04] edman007, I'm pretty sure, yeah. It says signal strength: Excellent. [14:04] edman007, It isn't my laptop and I don't use windows. I wish my roommates would just move ot linux. [14:05] mooglenorph, well make it happen [14:05] lin (n=root@HSI-KBW-091-089-003-051.hsi2.kabelbw.de) left irc: "leaving" [14:05] edman007, I've been trying, and they won't. So... there isn't anything I could tweak on the bridge? [14:06] but the fact is AJAX is no different than any other http, yes the browser could have problems with it, but not wifi, and not a router (an proxy could also cause problems) [14:06] I've been digging through the bridge docs and it seems like it should "just work" [14:06] Hmm, we're not running a proxy. [14:06] what are you seeing anyways? have you tried other browsers? [14:06] It just loads forever [14:06] "waiting for mail.google.com" or some such. [14:06] And non-ajax sites load fine. [14:07] They're using firefox. I can have them try with IE. [14:07] mooglenorph: use FireBug [14:07] thumbs, oh, good call. [14:08] don't see how that would help if the site isn't even loading [14:08] it will show the bottleneck [14:08] see, for instance, if some connections are made to begin with [14:08] mooglenorph, could try ping and tracert too [14:09] Okay. Thanks all. Is that in the DOS commandline? [14:09] yes [14:10] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-63-14.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:10] Srbo (n=Srbo@dslb-084-059-019-122.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:10] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) joined ##slackware. [14:11] v4nelle (n=van@adsl62-231.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:12] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [14:12] Ugh. It took an act of some computer deity to get this thing to print to my SAMBA print server. [14:13] (CUPS print server, really) [14:13] mooglenorph, have you looked at xp firewall (or whichever version it is)? [14:13] zeroXzero (n=zeroXzer@59.93.41.79) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:13] blitz (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [14:13] dive, no, I haven't. but it works fine with those sites over the wired connection. would that be different for wifi? [14:14] you can have different settings for wired and wifi [14:14] Guest40334 (i=ebola@goatse.co.uk) left ##slackware. [14:15] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [14:15] Where do I place nobd in lilo.conf? [14:16] alicephilippa (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:16] dive, alright man. I'm a complete a/v failure. My audio is so far out of sync that i can't even tell which direction it's off AND the audio only plays in mplayer anyway. not even vlc. [14:16] The firewalls have the same settings. Now it doesn't seem to want to get an IP address. (I clicked "repair" connection) [14:17] repair connection? [14:17] Okay, clicked "repair connection" a second time and now it has an IP, with the same problem as before. I installed firebug. Where should I look for connection stuff? I've only used firebug for website dev stuff [14:18] hiptobecubic, have you tried mplayer with -framedrop option? [14:19] dive, no. [14:19] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [14:19] what size video is it, and what is your cpu? [14:19] nullboy, it comes up when you right-click the network interface [14:20] All it seems to do it turn the connection off, then on. [14:20] And get a new IP address. [14:20] in windows? [14:20] Yes. [14:20] ... [14:20] I'm sorry, if this is too off-topic I'll just shut up about it. [14:21] mooglenorph: install linux on it :) [14:21] and use wicd, too [14:21] I'm trying to get this stupid windows laptop to work with my wifi bridge to the wired network, and for some godforasaken reason AJAX sites won't work, but others will. [14:21] thumbs, don't I wish, I've been trying to get her to switch to linux since she moved in. [14:21] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:22] hotohori17 (i=1000@dynamic-78-8-12-28.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [14:22] mooglenorph, and you dont find anything unusual in firewall settings? [14:22] And the reason I suspect the bridge is because this laptop deals with other wifi networks fine. [14:22] also does it have another firewall installed? [14:22] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03B55.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [14:22] dive, nope, they're identical for wired and wireless networks, and it only uses the windows firewall [14:22] wait, certain sites work but other's don't? [14:23] what type of bridge/router is it? [14:23] I installed an atheros card into one of my linux boxes and used brctl to bridge the wired and wireless networks [14:23] it use WPA2 for encryption [14:24] and it works fine with my OLPC and my slack 12.1 laptop [14:24] also, with this other guy's mac. [14:25] http://pastebin.com/m5ee28915 [14:25] That's the startup script I use for the bridge, it's called from rc.local, which also starts hostatpd for the WPA2 stuff. [14:25] Is there anything wrong with that...? [14:25] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: "leaving" [14:25] THe linux box is slack 12.2 [14:27] mooglenorph, what does a tracert to one of those bad sites look like? [14:28] compared to a good one [14:28] LnxSlck (n=LnxSlck@bl11-63-14.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [14:28] 1 * * * Request Times Out [14:28] as opposed to [14:29] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:30] 1 * * xms some-domain-name [ip for that domain] [14:30] (google.com) [14:30] the one that fails consistently is facebook.com [14:30] slack_fan (n=slack_fa@CPE00e018959861-CM001371159306.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [14:30] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:31] Hmm, okay, now it is tracert'ing facebook fine. [14:31] It only gets there on the 4th or third line? [14:31] sounds like it could be an mtu issue [14:32] are you on dsl? [14:32] Nope, cable. [14:32] comcast business. [14:33] (fastest available in my area, I realize that they're horrible :-\) [14:33] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:33] dive what do you mean what size video? what size is the rip? 650 meg. my cpu is: [14:33] sh: uname -a: command not found [14:34] sh: /usr/bin/uname -a: No such file or directory [14:35] AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-60 @ 2GHz [14:35] shower time. [14:35] This is driving me up a wall. [14:35] I'll be back to ask for more help, if people don't mind. [14:38] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:38] sorenp1 (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [14:41] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejo106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [14:43] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) joined ##slackware. [14:43] flvr (n=flvr@host-193-125-92-108.real.kvidex.ru) left ##slackware. [14:46] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:46] Action: Old_Fogie waves hello :) [14:46] ello frogie [14:46] :-) [14:47] Action: nullboy bites off Old_Fogie's flapping and [14:48] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:48] damn. [14:48] joke typo fail [14:48] my flapping what? hahah fail [14:48] lol [14:48] Karu (n=alch@78-28-76-209.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [14:49] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:49] HackSign (n=IceChat7@60.210.125.0) joined ##slackware. [14:50] hi,who can help me install grub to my pc ? [14:51] hey all, just got meself a linode and doin the setup now, getting a complaint on a build and I think I need to install the kernel sources, but the kernel is kept up to date by the linode servers, just wonderin if that might cause some issues (as I could lock my kernel version) [14:51] Agiofws (n=agiofws@athedsl-416460.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [14:52] HackSign, it's better to ask a more specific question than generic. the grub is in /extra directory. install the package, and read the docs they're very explanatory. [14:52] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.239) joined ##slackware. [14:52] hi :) [14:53] Old_Fogie,ok,i made a lfs os on mu u disk [14:53] Old_Fogie,when i installed bootloader grub [14:54] Old_Fogie,i execed the command "grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/sdb1 /dev/sdb1" [14:54] Old_Fogie,then i got the error "stage1 not read correctly" [14:54] Old_Fogie,do u know y ? [14:54] how should we know why lfs doesn't have /boot prepared properly? [14:56] magic? [14:56] wtf [14:56] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] that isn't related to this channel topic at all [14:57] no it is, you see the "##" part ;) [14:57] thrice`,i didn't made anything about bootloader ......... [14:57] sorenp (n=Soren@h-53-23.A157.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:57] thrice`,there is no /boot floader in my lfs os :( [14:57] theblackbox: the ## means it *IS* a topic centered, non official channel... [14:57] HackSign, for Slackware's grub there is /usr/doc/grubconfig-1.28/README I suggest you read it. I find it works quite well for Slackware and finding windows, I can't comment (or know) what it does if 'lfs' is on other partitions. I highly doubt it will do anything for 'lfs' auto-magically, as it never see's debian, or other *nixes and adds them to menu.lst. [14:57] nullboy, I thought it was for official "support" chans [14:58] bah, I always get it wrong [14:58] umm no [14:58] this is not an official channel [14:58] gotta pay more attention to the freenode page, they're going for uk charity status [14:58] Old_Fogie,emm...in fact that's not a lfs os exactly..... [14:58] thought that was interesting [14:59] HackSign, well is your grub working to boot your Slackware? [14:59] Old_Fogie,i just copied the file system in my live cd "slax.iso" [14:59] god [14:59] Action: Old_Fogie grabs nullboys' hand, puts it behind /me head, and does *head*desk* [15:00] Old_Fogie,i did all of the work in VMWare [15:00] this is a troll [15:00] this is not my house...this is not my beautiful wife... [15:00] HackSign, are you using Slackware at all in this mix? [15:01] l4m4-m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) joined ##slackware. [15:01] l4m4-m4n (n=l4m4m4n@83.218.195.61) left irc: Client Quit [15:01] larsmw (n=lars@90.184.232.222) joined ##slackware. [15:01] Old_Fogie,sorry,i cant understand u clealy....do u mean wether i used a mixed system ? [15:01] :( [15:02] HackSign, are you using Slackware? [15:03] Old_Fogie,not exactly [15:03] Old_Fogie,I'm using slax [15:03] #slax [15:03] raela|alt (n=raela@12.89.75.126) joined ##slackware. [15:03] the question is answered with yes or no; not really any in-betweens [15:04] exactly, it's like being 'kind of pregnant' [15:04] hotohori17 (i=1000@dynamic-78-8-12-28.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:04] slackytude,nobody in that room :( [15:04] HackSign, tough luck [15:04] well, there are those imaginary pregnancies, so there are at least two kinds [15:04] HackSign, this channel does not support forks, derivatives or bastard child (not in that order, nor to infer slax is bad) here. [15:05] :(,well.... [15:05] try their forums, or linuxquestions.org [15:06] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejo106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:06] ok,i'll try ,thx [15:06] ok yw [15:06] in other words: please insert your credit card number here_______ for support time. [15:07] lol [15:07] nvision (n=nvision@p4FC03B55.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [15:11] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) joined ##slackware. [15:12] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:12] kraptronnik (n=kraptron@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) joined ##slackware. [15:12] tuvok302 (n=vircuser@clgrtnt7-port-236.dial.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:14] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [15:15] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:15] benone (n=benone@66.110.125.188) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:16] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [15:16] benone (n=benone@66.110.124.133) joined ##slackware. [15:16] Khratos (n=Khratos@190.166.116.127) joined ##slackware. [15:16] good afternoon [15:17] afternoon [15:17] Does anybody out there use Icewm with slack? [15:17] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:17] but not so good [15:18] :) why not lw0x15 ? [15:18] feeling bad? [15:19] The reason I ask is that I would like to install slack on a EeePC with the look of the default Xandros distro... [15:19] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:19] what for, ganeshix ? [15:20] ganeshix, icewm does work with slackware, there are buildscript for it at slackbuilds.org [15:20] ganeshix, I dont know about the xandros tweaks so you're on your own on that. [15:21] The owner of this Eee loves the GUI but appreciates the power of Slack.. [15:23] Old_Fogie, tnx. I'll look into that. I have my own Eee with slack, so I'm not worried about functionality. Just about the dm I'm familiar with... [15:24] Khratos: bored more like it [15:24] I mean about icewm, which I don't know well. [15:24] ...don't know at all....but i'll read about it... [15:25] slackytude (i=schwebel@stud.fbi.h-da.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:25] ganeshix, oh there's really not much too it. it compiles in just a few minutes on old hardware. the buildscript sets up kde's kdm nicely, so you'll have the log-in from kdm . there's really not much to it. the only thing I find with icewm is that it's a pain to setup the menu's, more so than any other window manager out there. but ice is lightening fast, and tiled windows feature ( I love that ) :) [15:26] if they had a script like the fluxbox menu generator script in fluxbox for icewm, I'd use ice alot more than on the one pc I do use. [15:26] if you ever used windows 95 then icewm is somewhat similar, (basic taskbar, clock on the right, menu on the left, three files to configure = prefrences, menu, and one more to map keys to launch apps [15:26] jean-1uc (n=luc@ip5657384e.direct-adsl.nl) left ##slackware ("."). [15:27] hehe i remember [15:27] using 95 on my grandpas PC [15:27] i did "cut" by accident on a file [15:27] and got scared :( [15:28] dive (n=diversit@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:28] icewm does not have desktop icons, you can use rox-filer to draw desktop icons & wallpaper, (run rox --pinboard=PIN) [15:29] Pig_Pen, belive it or not, icewm can have gnome support and use nautilus too ( /me chuckles but it's true :) [15:29] how do you like the Asus Eee? i'm getting a laptop/notebook/netbook/whatever in a few weeks [15:29] sounds like a feasible thing to do... and you guys have been very helpful... [15:29] so the nautilus yields desktop icons as well, heh [15:29] i just don't know if i will be okay with the Intel Atom processor [15:29] I love my eee. [15:30] and I love slack on it... like a dream... [15:30] yup, but getting nautilus installed to slackware is more work than installing rox-filer [15:30] zaltekk, I have QTY (10) acer aspire one's ( all is well except no flashing wifi lights, and I havent tested the fancy memory card slots) [15:30] zaltekk, non SSD one's , mine are the pata drive one's [15:30] i don't mind the size of it. but i'm concerned i won't like the lack of memory and processing power [15:31] zaltekk, it's *way* more than enough for desktop linux use [15:31] ...way [15:31] okay [15:31] zaltekk, my acer's have the onboard intels, and I can even run compiz-fusion on them flawlessly [15:31] hmm [15:32] ice_nine (n=ice_nine@CPE00179a491de8-CM001bd7cb8f1a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [15:32] i am getting it to take to class and be able to use openoffice or something similar [15:32] and have web access [15:32] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [15:32] but i'd also like to use it for multimedia purposes....like hooking it up to my TV and such. [15:32] zaltekk, I can run darn near every app I got and it dont hickup or skip a beat. [15:33] with an Atom processor? [15:33] it's got a gig of ram [15:33] zaltekk, yea it's hyperthread 1.6 ghz, more than enuff [15:34] byteframe_ (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-82.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [15:34] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-225.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [15:34] zaltekk, being logged into kde is what 110/120 meg or ram, FF3 is like 30-50 mb, ... no where near topping out the ram and thrashing the disk [15:34] what is the reason you picked the acer? [15:35] zaltekk, the only thing is, you're stuck at max 1024x768 res if you hook up to a monitor, and you can thank intel for that (as they dont want to hurt their laptop market ...so I've read can't confirm) [15:35] euzao (i=1000@189.38.153.194) joined ##slackware. [15:35] Old_Fogie use to love packard Bell back in the day [15:35] zaltekk, pricing, and colors, and the screen on it is incredible [15:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:35] best laptop screen I've used [15:36] I bought a GearPC :\ [15:36] i've never owned a laptop....it's always been self-built desktops. so i don't exactly have a brand i prefer [15:36] i use dell laptops but only the business lines for me [15:36] should have bought a MacBook pro or whatever [15:36] Old_Fogie: what laptop is this? [15:36] agentc0re, the Acer Aspire One netbook ( I said laptop screen there sorry ) ; but the screen on the Acer is just splendid! [15:37] Oh, yeah. I've seen those in costco. [15:37] yeah we love them [15:37] Old_Fogie, did you customise kernel? What cpu settings? Or just generic? [15:37] dive, nope running huge smp :) [15:37] k [15:37] Oldware [15:38] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] dive, I do have suspend working out of the box. Hibernate is not working, but I think I have to add something to lilo, not sure havent read the docs yet :) [15:38] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-98-118-69-82.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:38] this irc rocks... you never leave emptyhanded... [15:39] ? [15:39] have a great weekend y'all [15:39] Old_Fogie, append="resume=/dev/" and make sure you have a big enough swap [15:39] :/ [15:39] I still don't know why tho the light worked in 2.6.26 series kernel, and now in 2.6.27 and 2.6.28 the kernel devs yanked the code (or renamed it?) for the wifi [15:39] ganeshix (n=ele@cpe-24-29-44-192.nycap.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [15:39] dive, ah ok [15:39] ty [15:39] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejo106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:39] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.59.172) joined ##slackware. [15:39] i made my swap as large as ram to make sure theres enough [15:40] I personally hate hibernation. Just never really liked it. I understand why it would be beneficial to a laptop, but i'd rather save and shutdown. [15:40] I think I made 512, but I can change that if need be [15:40] Do you need swap if you have alot of memory? [15:40] i don't hibernate but i use standby when i'm moving between locations [15:40] Webcam work with linux as well? [15:40] just curious [15:40] agentc0re, same here, but thought I'd just report what does / doesn't work on the Acer in case anyone was reading/following [15:40] agentc0re, it would be benefit for your laptop? how? :/ [15:40] agentc0re: the only time i've ever found hibernation useful is when it is a really old laptop that is running windows XP and shouldn't be. and it takes about 5 times as long to boot than to wake. [15:40] superGear, hibernation puts ram -> swap [15:40] ah [15:40] agentc0re, yes the webcam works - no tweaks :) [15:41] something i don't use [15:41] Old_Fogie: Thats awesome. [15:41] Yup, now I can dance on the internet in my under-roos! :) [15:41] my desktop never uses the swap...but i have a 500GB harddrive so i went ahead and made a swap the size of my ram. just because it couldn't hurt anything. [15:41] lol :) [15:42] Old_Fogie, jim-jams ftw [15:42] not that i want to see that i might add [15:43] Oh, just to set it straight, ath5k for the Acer works on 2.6.27 , wifi lights do not. ath5k and lights are broken on 2.6.28 - madwifi works on 2.6.28 (still no wifi lights) [15:43] Action: dive ducks [15:43] dive, haha [15:43] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:43] _marc` (n=marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [15:44] Old_Fogie, I've got an atheros and an intel wifi card - can't get leds to work on either so far [15:44] my 3945ABG has working led [15:44] yeah I wish they did work, it's a nice feature [15:44] annoying think is the intel is constantly flashing on/off on it's own so I put some black insulating tape over it [15:45] dive, heh, man after my own heart... "It ain't pretty but my fix fixes it :)" [15:45] there are sys or proc options to disable the led and change its functionality [15:45] yeah works a treat [15:46] nullboy, yes arch, gentoo, debian, and ubunut all have wiki's for my netbook and they're all reporting the led's functionality has *poof* vanished in 2.6.27 and higher and they're all scratching their heads in the forums. [15:47] must be a netbook thing [15:47] Maybe Linus took a note from gnome dev's and yanked it in fear that the "blinken" lights would confuse users [15:47] haha [15:47] nice 1 [15:47] thank you very much, I'll be here all week :) [15:48] Seriously, unless I'm not reading it correctly, I've been thru kernelnewbies and I dont see the led's 'addressed' in changes,adds deletes but oh well. The ath5k dev's have a bug filed at their site for it, so maybe it'll come back [15:49] there is a linux-wireless mailing list but I think they expect people to be using the latest kernel [15:49] might be worth asking though [15:49] aha, I see [15:50] maybe I see if I can search their archives [15:50] w [15:50] oops [15:50] dive, yeah I dont' "do" mailing lists, you have to bottom post for them. [15:51] X-Mailing-List: linux-wireless@vger.kernel.org [15:51] spmd (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [15:51] but well they get excited if you top post :) [15:52] or use html [15:52] or attach a 2mb jpeg [15:52] :) [15:52] I find little to fault with those positions [15:52] Yes I know, ( /me chuckles at the thought of them yelling at their bosses for top-posting...yea right! hahah) [15:52] rk4n3, j/k :) [15:53] Old_Fogie: been there, done that, still do it :) [15:53] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:53] rk4n3, did you really? [15:53] rk4n3, you told your boss to bottom post? [15:53] bleah, LED functionality gone from ath5k? [15:53] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) joined ##slackware. [15:54] Urchlay, yup [15:54] Old_Fogie: well, not "yell" per se, but I've definitely berated more than one boss for such illiterate behaviors [15:54] Old_Fogie: definitely bottom posting [15:54] rk4n3, hahaha and you live to tell the tale :) [15:54] frigging madwifi, the LEDs just blink on/off/on/off the entire time [15:54] Old_Fogie: my bosses are typically frightened of me [15:54] well i think middle posting is the correct way [15:55] Urchlay, black insulating tape [15:55] at a constant rate, nothing to do with traffic or anything [15:55] dive: yeah. Done that. [15:55] fixed [15:55] however it'd be nice if the LEDs would give some real information [15:55] rk4n3, I'll be honest with you, if I worked for someone else, and they side posted I'd keep my lips sealed, but that's just me :) [15:55] Urchlay, agreed for sure. [15:55] Old_Fogie: heh - well, that's a slippery slope, isn't it ? [15:55] side posting? [15:55] this is > this is [15:56] the quoted > the response [15:56] material > -- The Boss [15:56] rk4n3, not really he signs the check, no need to look the gift horse in mouth :) [15:56] lol thats a gooden [15:56] Old_Fogie: how far do you let you boss go down "idiot lane" before you say something ? Once you determine that line, its easy enough to back it up, as well [15:56] argh. I failed to line it up right :( [15:57] wish I could break my current employer's habit of sending me .docx files [15:57] Old_Fogie: haha - that "signs the paycheck" doesn't fly very far - haven't you ever been in the scenario where the boss's idiocy costs him money and then he's angry at you for *not* warning him ? [15:57] rk4n3: that's a lose-lose situation though [15:58] HackSign (n=IceChat7@60.210.125.0) left irc: "Don't push the red button!" [15:58] rk4n3, mmmm, I suppose it's pick your battles. Like, if you're really 'close' to your boss, a good report, a history togehter, then sure I would then. But if I were "new" then heck no, I'd be a scaredy cat on that ya know what I mean. [15:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejo106.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [15:58] if you speak up, you're "insubordinate", and if you don't, you're "negligent" [15:58] nukedclx (n=nukedclx@aejk153.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:58] Old_Fogie: ah, we're agreed on that, then - I'd never do it as a "new" employee eithere [15:58] eelriver (n=eelriver@h-67-102-106-32.snfccasy.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Old_Fogie: there has to be a relationship established, whether its a friendly one, or even a healthy "expert-to-dumbass" one [15:59] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [15:59] Old_Fogie: I've had plenty of both ;) [15:59] Well yes, but let's be honest, Outlook led the way in top-posting,and is on darn near every corp desktop, many webmails are top post..so on this issue, calling someone stupid for top posting (in anything other than tech site related mail) I think is a tad harsh. [15:59] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left ##slackware ("-"). [16:00] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) left irc: [16:00] Old_Fogie: if it's a mailing list with actual rules (like "don't top-post"), they ought to follow the rules... [16:00] Old_Fogie: yes indeed - don't get me wrong - I never call anyone stupid, and top-posting alone is not grounds for much, but it usually accompanies a pattern [16:00] Urchlay, yes agreed [16:00] OTOH, if it's your employer, don't say anything... let the list moderator do it [16:00] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [16:01] (eh, unless your job title is "mailing list moderator" I guess) [16:02] Old_Fogie: ... and its also vital to observe the manner that you communicate the intended "beratement" to the boss - most often, its a well-placed very "innocent-seeming" question that basically invokes his own thoughts to observe the dumbness himself [16:02] But really, I never dealt (or heard) of bottom posting til' 3 years ago when I started using linux (fwiw) In business, just typed the reply never gave it thought. bottom post does make a lot of sense, but the mail clients make it a pain for the most part. [16:02] I have a rule I made for myself, which is to *never* just blindly include the entire quoted original message [16:03] rk4n3, yup a reverse psychology almost [16:03] Old_Fogie: indeed [16:03] trim it to the relevant bits [16:03] Urchlay: exactly [16:03] Urchlay, that is very effective [16:03] hotohori17 (i=1000@dynamic-78-8-12-28.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:04] I've actually done that (with top-posting) and people often find that I'm too "anal" in my business mails that way. But oh well, it's direct and to the point. [16:04] apparently some people get annoyed when I mix quoted stuff with reply (like a question and answer format) [16:04] Urchlay, same here. people think you're argumentative that way [16:05] screw em' , it makes more sense. my answer is clear to the point at hand. [16:05] nah, the guy who used to complain about that, he just failed to see the replies (he thought of the quoted part as a lump, non-editable, I guess) [16:06] r00t_ (i=0@bl4-167-93.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [16:06] good night all [16:06] Nick change: r00t_ -> Bop [16:06] ehhh [16:06] Nick change: Bop -> Bop_ [16:07] you joined the channel just to tell us goodnight? [16:07] sure [16:07] now i leave [16:07] ? [16:07] joke [16:08] Bop_: so by "good night", you meant "greetings", basically ? [16:08] oh, "good night" as in a greeting, not "good night" as in "I'm going to bed now, bye" [16:08] so like "good evening" or maybe german "guten abend" [16:08] rk4n3, yes [16:08] \o/ [16:08] lol sorry [16:09] its not usual to use good night as a greeting ? [16:09] not usual [16:09] ok ,sorry [16:09] no problem [16:09] try 'good evening' :) [16:09] in English, most forms of well-wishing are usually expressed at departing [16:10] oh , i see [16:10] im not english [16:10] 8-) [16:10] neither am I, but we're both *typing* in English :) [16:11] i didnt knew that form [16:11] u did [16:11] actually I'm typing in my own made-up language that just happens to resemble English :) [16:11] :) [16:11] Bop_: its OK, I'm just ribbing you a little :) [16:11] ok :x [16:12] Urchlay: lol [16:12] too bad I can't remember anything from 2 years of Latin [16:13] I suppose a language that you don't get to use is easily forgotten [16:13] just add "um" in the end of words :p [16:13] haha [16:14] Ignacio_ (n=Ignacio@190.51.13.34) joined ##slackware. [16:15] so kde 4.2 is on current tree [16:15] hm, "haurimus fumo herbam dementii" means "we like to smoke the crazy herb", but they didn't teach us that bit in class... [16:16] er, and I've probably mangled the conjugations/declensions :( [16:16] veni vidi vici [16:16] its some of the only words i know in latin :] [16:17] someone on noobfarm has a quote.. "veni vidi velcro"... I came, I saw, I stuck around [16:17] lol nice [16:17] what's a noobfarm ? [16:18] noobfarm.org, site full of silly IRC quotes [16:18] (similar to bash.org I suppose) [16:18] oh , tought it was a place [16:18] it should be [16:18] the noobfarm is where we'd send people to learn not to be noobs [16:19] (sorta like the fat farm is where people go to lose weight...) [16:19] Camarade_Tux (n=Camarade@LRouen-152-81-26-233.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Leaving" [16:20] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.116.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [16:20] http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c178/izapaz/100_2751.jpg?t=1233435685 [16:20] thats how you drink beer in soviet russia [16:20] so , that guy stuck around for life on noob farm [16:21] noob 4 life [16:22] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:24] Hello :] [16:24] ello acid [16:25] Ether_Man_ (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) joined ##slackware. [16:25] lw0x15: I was expecting some kind of visual version of "in soviet russia, beer drinks you!" [16:25] :)) [16:25] Urchlay, it looked that way tom me :) [16:26] hm, reminds me, was supposed to call the russian [16:26] I guess they like the LA Lakers in russion :) [16:26] (I only know one russian, so I call him "the russian"...) [16:26] s/russion/russia [16:26] rk4n3: blazers unfortunately [16:26] :-/ [16:26] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [16:26] heh - well, he's wearing a Lakers hat ;) [16:26] i am the la fan [16:27] lw0x15: wazup [16:27] oh, that's you ? [16:27] yeah :)) [16:27] aha :) [16:27] lol [16:27] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:28] did you know that the LA Lakers got their name because they used to be the Minnesota team (MN Lakers) ? [16:28] i remember riding into a bush later on that day [16:28] tntslack (n=will@adsl130-108.lsf.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [16:28] rk4n3: yep [16:28] I'm from MN :) [16:28] nice [16:29] the land of 10,000 puddles, er... I mean lakes [16:29] lw0x15: riding into a bush, on what? [16:29] motorcycle? [16:29] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] too drunk to stand up , i suppose [16:30] dammit, I wish I were too drunk to stand up [16:30] ice9 (n=ice9@mn-10k-dhcp2-1906.dsl.hickorytech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [16:30] Urchlay: a bicycle :)) [16:30] i'd never ride a bike drunk [16:30] nobody will drink with me, and it's no fun drinking alone [16:30] why not to drink with you ? [16:31] well, the people I live with are non-drinkers, and I don't know anybody in this town (just moved here) [16:31] Urchlay: local pub will sort you out [16:31] ;] [16:31] drink with us , virtualy ;) [16:31] I was gonna say that :P [16:31] obnauticus (n=lol@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [16:31] heh [16:31] I may end up doing that [16:31] but I don't have any alcohols in my house, dangit [16:31] Action: lw0x15 some brandy [16:32] all I have is a bottle of sake [16:32] neither do i [16:32] Urchlay: that's the one thing about Japan I hate :P [16:32] and no money until at least monday :( [16:32] kamaji: actually I like sake [16:32] never tried sake [16:32] :< [16:32] it's.... weird [16:32] nachox (n=Ignacio@190.51.59.172) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:32] it tastes a lot stronger than it should ^^ [16:32] yeah, that's true [16:32] tastes like liquor, but only as much alcohol as wine [16:33] stronger taste than vodkas ? [16:33] nah, good vodka barely has a taste [16:33] bad vodka, eh, I blocked out those memories [16:33] I had some crazy sweet-potato fermented crap in Kagoshima once... that was strong [16:33] apparently, you're suppose to dilute it with water :\ [16:33] ...but nobody told you? [16:34] yep :| [16:34] I remember the first (only?) time I ever drank port [16:34] we saw all these people with full glasses.... [16:34] thought it was regular old wine [16:34] hahaha [16:34] nice :D [16:34] I like port [16:34] but not too much [16:34] I liked it, but I drank about 3x as much as I should have [16:34] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [16:34] it's the right weather for port [16:34] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:35] Nick change: Ignacio_ -> nachox [16:36] Charles1 (n=charles@adsl-65-81-182.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] arny (n=arny@79.119.151.239) left irc: "Leaving" [16:38] gm152_ (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:38] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:39] Hello! Has anyone here tried using a RJ45 to USB cable to connect an ethernet device to a wireless USB adapter in a wireless network? [16:39] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:39] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:40] do what? [16:41] ... you can get RJ45 to USB cables? [16:41] Ether_Man (i=Ether_Ma@h223n2fls310o1101.telia.com) left irc: Connection timed out [16:42] Charles1: you can't do that. [16:42] kamaji: UPS backup power supplies come with them [16:42] Anyone that actually understands that sentence.. Feel free to translate ^_^;; [16:42] but that's because it saves them money. USB connectors cost money, RJ-45 do not [16:42] oh. [16:42] being a standard and all [16:42] CaptObviousman : uhmm, what? since when rj-45 connectors do not cost money? [16:43] why are usb expensive and rj-45 are not? [16:43] to manufacture [16:43] CaptObviousman : they still cost money to manufacture [16:43] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:43] Action: hiptobecubic <3 grammar. [16:43] Both costs to manufacture.. And having usb in both ends.. Is cheaper than having a usb to rj45 bridge [16:44] licensing/patents on the USB hardware, you have to pay them for the privilege of constructing even a plug [16:44] USB isnt a patent though [16:44] Old_Fogie (n=Old_Fogi@cpe-69-204-70-243.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: [16:44] CaptObviousman : usb is not like firewire or fiberchannel in that aspect [16:45] it's not? [16:45] no, it's not. not sure where you heard that [16:45] Action: CaptObviousman always thought USB is done similiarly to Bluetooth [16:45] heard it from my dad [16:45] No its not.. USB is dirt cheap to produce and doesnt have any licensing costs to use it either [16:45] whom I generally can take what he says on faith. Guess not here [16:45] Action: CaptObviousman does some research [16:46] Ether_Man_: well, is it the other way 'round then? RJ-45 is proprietary? [16:46] the rj45 ports on ups'es is something that's left over from when they used to use serial connections [16:46] Action: CaptObviousman doesn't think so [16:46] what fees does sdhc have? [16:46] CaptObviousman : neither [16:46] CaptObviousman, nope.. RJ-45 doesnt cost any licensemoney either.. [16:47] Back to the subject at hand. If you can buy a RJ45 to USB cable why wouldn't you be able to connect ethernet to USB device? [16:47] gm152 (n=gm@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:47] cause nintendo wii can use sdhc but nintendo wont let us use it [16:47] tank-man, sdhc is licenced to SD and will cost you a pretty penny to use [16:48] a software/hardware modded wii can use sdhc, so that means nintendo saved a penny [16:48] Charles1, was i stated to be used for thernet? [16:48] si/it [16:49] tank-man, they save in license, but they lose in hardware.. No reason to have sdhc devices if they dont have the license to ship with them anyway [16:49] dive: not specifically, that's why I was asking if it should work. [16:49] Charles1: because it's not as simple as "Tab A goes in slot B" [16:50] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) joined ##slackware. [16:51] Charles1 : because rj45 does not mean 'ethernet' [16:51] the USB bus is expecting a certain signalling voltage and whatnot, and the ethernet card doesn't naturally speak that. [16:51] Hermaniette (n=Hermann@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [16:51] they both have four wires and use +5V signalling, but the similarities end there [16:51] ethernet have 8 wires, not 4 [16:51] Ether_Man_, but the hardware is already there, a software mod will let you use sdhc cards with homebrew [16:52] Ether_Man_ : well, up to 100BaseT, half-duplex, you use 4 wires [16:52] tank-man, that is however illegal [16:52] RX/TX send, RX/TX receive [16:52] 4 wires. The other four are because it's cheaper to use the same cable for everything [16:52] ananke, half duplex regardless of speed will use 4.. But "ethernet" consists of 8 wires [16:53] CaptObviousman : wrong. they're used for full-duplex, and for 1000BaseT [16:53] Ether_Man_ : 'ethernet' doesn't consist of any wires [16:53] reallove (n=dan@unaffiliated/reallove) left irc: "changing servers" [16:53] reallove (n=dan@dan.btn.ro) joined ##slackware. [16:54] ananke, depends on how you look at it.. [16:54] Charles1, unless it is stated to be used that way then it's unlikely to work - don't have a normal usb-usb cable to use? [16:54] tea4me (n=tea4me@DS-PROCTOR.WPI.EDU) left irc: "Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de" [16:55] ananke, to me, layer 1 and two are too much related to be called seperate.. [16:55] Action: CaptObviousman learned something new today [16:55] dive: I want to come off TV receiver, which is ethernet connection, to USB adapter. [16:56] Looks like I better steer clear of RJ45 to USB. [16:56] __tst__ (n=tst@200.99.74.18) joined ##slackware. [16:56] <__tst__> hi guys [16:57] Charles1 : i think it would help you if you understood how those things work [16:57] Thank everybody for information. Good points raised. Learned something. [16:58] <__tst__> who knows where can i get some info about screen devlopment? [16:58] ananke: I am sure it would. This dog is too old to learn new tricks I'm afraid. [16:58] screen mailing list [16:58] Action: CaptObviousman was also wrong about signalling voltage [16:58] <__tst__> dive, i have tried it [16:58] 10Base-T and 100Base-T use +/- 2.5V, and 1000Base-T uses +/- 1V and 0V [16:58] slackytude2 (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [16:58] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-225.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [16:59] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:59] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [16:59] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host149-80-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [17:00] this is an interesting quote from one of the oreilly's books: "To date, none of the vendors have plans to develop equipment based on half-duplex Gigabit Ethernet operation." [17:01] __tst__: read the source and just start making changes you want? [17:01] you don't have to ask for permission [17:02] sh0ne (n=Unknown@79.101.72.18) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:02] joachim (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [17:02] <__tst__> CaptOviousman: i don't think so... [17:02] joachim (n=j@h253.n4.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Client Quit [17:02] __tst__: it's GNU, I guarantee you it's open source [17:02] __tst__, also #screen [17:02] hack away [17:03] <__tst__> CaptOviousman: i was at #screen... [17:03] <__tst__> nobody reply [17:03] you have a bug? [17:04] <__tst__> no, just thinking in add a new feature [17:04] __tst__, just code it in [17:04] well, there's nothing to stop you from doing it [17:04] then maybe submit a patch [17:04] you ahve the source, and the license allows you to do it [17:04] so feel free [17:04] harmattan (n=harmatta@213.37.172.116.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:05] <__tst__> but i need to know if anyone more is implementing this feature... [17:05] <__tst__> otherwise, it may be a waste of time [17:05] ice_nine (n=ice_nine@CPE00179a491de8-CM001bd7cb8f1a.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:06] __tst__, what is the feature? [17:06] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-50-52-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) joined ##slackware. [17:06] hello [17:06] King Diamond, is that you? [17:06] <__tst__> dive: serialization [17:07] __tst__: and if someone else is? So what, make yours and submit anyway [17:07] compiz fusion works with fluxbox? [17:07] they'll put both patches together in an arena and arm them with rocket launchers for a deathmatch. The stronger of the two patches gets included [17:07] compiz fusion works with fluxbox?? [17:07] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.162) joined ##slackware. [17:07] hotohori17 (i=1000@dynamic-78-8-3-24.ssp.dialog.net.pl) joined ##slackware. [17:07] or even mixed for improvement [17:08] is anyone using comcast broadband? I want to read how their throttling works? is it some threshold and some certain amount of time or what? i'm looking for numbers [17:08] <__tst__> CaptOviousman: so i'll starting coding ; ) [17:08] hiptobecubic: numbers are the one thing they won't give you [17:08] __tst__, I use screen all the time if you need an extra tester [17:08] hiptobecubic, that would be too easy [17:08] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:08] <__tst__> dive: yes i will [17:08] hiptobecubic: they have some nebulous idea of what "too much bandwidth" is, but they refuse to divulge it [17:08] ok I'm in [17:09] Urchlay, slackytude that's absurd. How am i supposed to prevent myself from going over their limit if they won't tell me the limit? [17:09] mercfate (n=fate@201-75-50-52-ma.cpe.vivax.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [17:09] it's like having no speed limit signs and writing tickets [17:09] right [17:09] great, ehß [17:09] hiptobecubic: that's *exactly* what I asked their abuse dept. rep, and exactly the same metaphor I used with him [17:09] <__tst__> dive: do you want to code too? [17:09] what a bunch of dicksniffing twat bags. i can't stand it [17:09] hiptobecubic: agreed [17:09] Urchlay, and they said? [17:10] they said "we don't give out that information" [17:10] __tst__, I only have a little C++ experience so not sure if I can help too much [17:10] hiptobecubic: tell me how you really feel [17:10] unbelievable [17:10] hardly any C [17:10] in fact the guy refused to even admit there was an actual number [17:10] I suspect they don't give out that information because there's not a hard and fast rule [17:10] he said "we compare your usage to the average usage in your area" [17:10] if they quote a number somewhere, then they're kinda stuck with that number [17:10] Urchlay: so then you say: "That means I cam download and upload all I want, then?" [17:10] CaptObviousman: yep, that's what I think too [17:10] thumbs: sure, until they pull the plug [17:11] Urchlay: :( [17:11] just pay more money. its a win-win [17:11] <__tst__> dive: ok [17:11] thing is, you get 1 warning... the next time, you get disconnected, and have to call them and beg to get plugged back in [17:11] some customer will blog that "Comcast told me not to use >40GB a month," then some other customer will read it and use it against them [17:11] the 3rd time, they cancel your account and won't let you sign up for a new one for 12 months [17:12] they have some kind of flat 250GB rule, but they also throttle data transfer rate [17:12] also 250 is up+down [17:12] I would think the appropriate thing to do is make sure you're not near the top of their largest bandwidth users lists [17:12] CaptObviousman, yeah sure. where is that list? [17:12] hiptobecubic: hm, they weren't doing throttling back when I had all this crap happen [17:12] stay off their radar and you're ok [17:12] Urchlay: those are ridiculous policies [17:12] werent they they guys who used to send RST packets? [17:12] hiptobecubic: not posted, internal [17:12] and, hey, if you don't like it, don't sign up with them [17:12] Action: CaptObviousman waits for the inevitable response [17:12] thumbs: yes. Unfortunately if you want cable and you live in a comcast area, you have to get it from them [17:12] __tst__ (n=tst@200.99.74.18) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [17:13] slackytude, sending RST packets at people using torrent ports? [17:13] __tst__ (n=tst@200.99.74.18) joined ##slackware. [17:13] dive, yeah [17:13] thumbs: and my old apartment, DSL wasn't an option (they finally upgraded the wiring right before I moved out) [17:13] if it really really offends your sensibilities that much, then pay for a business-class line [17:13] is the USA still stuck in the dark ages? [17:13] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:14] __tst__, my email if I'm not around here: dave@unrealize.co.uk [17:14] can we change it? [17:14] CaptObviousman: I asked them about the business-class line, they said they couldn't sell me one because I had a residential address [17:14] Urchlay, well now what i can see is that my upload will be something like 400KB/s for ten seconds then 80KB/s for awhile until i stop uploading. then after awhile it goes back. [17:14] <__tst__> dive: ok, i'll mail you if i got something [17:14] dive, isn't this channel publicly logged? do you have a good spamfilter? [17:15] hiptobecubic, spamassassin and my address is all over the net anyway [17:15] hiptobecubic: I throttle my own uploads pretty seriously [17:15] in fact spammassasin + a whitelist file [17:15] wait, you upload at 400 kilobytes/sec? [17:15] or did you mean Kb (kilobits)? [17:15] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:15] KB [17:15] no kb [17:15] it's great [17:15] damn dude [17:15] nice [17:16] i get only 100kB/s [17:16] rarely can I ever download that fast [17:16] usually less [17:16] yeah it rules ass. until they turn it off. [17:16] heh [17:16] Urchlay: really? what cockbags [17:16] dtanner (n=dtanner@gware/developer/dtanner) joined ##slackware. [17:16] you should hit that 250GB limit pretty soon then [17:16] I live in a town full of old people, i'm sure the average usage in my area is just over dialup speeds [17:16] hi dtanner [17:16] CaptObviousman: later on they changed their policy, but by then I had moved to somewhere where DSL was available [17:17] really, what's the point of high upload rates if they immediately limit your bandwidth? [17:17] heh, and now I rent a room in a house served by comcast... bleh [17:17] same here [17:17] I haven't yet torrented anything here [17:17] Action: CaptObviousman was thinking he'd torrent a bunch of Linux isos for a whole month [17:17] so far (knock on wood) torrenting has been OK here [17:18] i'm a leech :-( [17:18] well, ever since we banned the next door neighbor from our wireless [17:18] yo acidchild [17:18] i need to stop :-( [17:18] ezi tewmten [17:18] acidchild: how goes man? [17:18] comcast is evil [17:18] well, not everyone can be >1.0 ratio [17:18] slackytude, i almost never upload or download anything. i'm not expecting to hit the limit. I don't even use the connection for normal surfing. It's at home and i'm at school and my mother probably uses it less than once a day. [17:18] 'round here, the cable connection got bought out by Time Warner, which means RoadRunner [17:19] BOFH__ (n=berserk@host149-80-dynamic.20-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:19] CaptObviousman: is that better or worse? [17:19] Urchlay: I'm not sure [17:19] tewmten: its going alrite, i have no idea what to do [17:19] but i when i want to watch some movie i have at home, i'd like to know what to throttle it at so it will take 1 hr instead of 3 [17:19] acidchild: just slacking, eh? :) [17:19] yeaa [17:20] yourself? [17:20] Action: acidchild passes to tewmten [17:20] http://i39.tinypic.com/3523oyr.gif [17:20] :)) [17:20] drinking beer, smoking bong, and codings some php [17:20] nice [17:20] Action: lw0x15 is dry :( [17:20] 's/php/torrents/g' for me. [17:20] i got this idea in my head to make a api to output Office Open XML files [17:21] but i dunno how that's turn out [17:21] :) [17:21] it's going to be hard to talk her into FIoS when she only checks email once in awhile :D [17:21] lw0x15: the picture looks like my future. [17:21] stybla: :( [17:21] eh nice pic [17:21] Mmm with vsftpd... how would I be able to restrict access to some local users based on the host address/IP but still allow anonymous access to everyone? [17:21] optimistic [17:21] hi stybla =) [17:21] lw0x15, that picture is my life [17:21] tewmten: hallo! ;) [17:21] As Slackware lacks PAM that seems quite... impossible? [17:21] lw0x15, what's it for? the picture i mean. [17:22] college AD i guess [17:22] Zosma: hosts.allow/deny files. [17:22] yeah its a bit of a shame that there's no pam in slackware [17:22] acidchild: that won't work. [17:22] iptables [17:22] =) [17:22] bbut it has its reasons of course [17:22] hiptobecubic: from early ages i think [17:22] cause bard college exists [17:22] acidchild: that will still only disable access to the whole FTP service and not based on what the login is. [17:23] Zosma, no it won't. go read some lartc [17:23] no you can base it on -m --string "USER FOO" -s 123.123.123.123 -j DROP [17:23] Charles1 (n=charles@adsl-65-81-182.owb.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware. [17:23] -m string --string..* [17:23] tewmten: dont you get many interesting ideas to code while hitting the bong ? [17:23] if we could get FIoS 'round here, I'd force my dad to upgrade [17:23] it wouldn't take much, I think [17:24] Okay mmm I'll check that out thanks. [17:24] but, as it's Verizon, I'm sure they block all the useful ports [17:24] lw0x15: helps with the ADD for sure =P [17:24] CaptObviousman, they claim not to be blocking or throttling at the moment because htey have so much bandwidth to spare [17:24] 20/20 per line. it's glorious [17:25] Zosma: o [17:25] hiptobecubic: you torrent much? [17:25] Zosma: i'm sure VSFTPD has ACL's [17:25] ;]] [17:25] acidchild, nice [17:25] acidchild: really? [17:25] Maybe I'm stupid but I can't find them. [17:25] In the examples they use PAM :-S [17:25] CaptObviousman, not a huge amount but now and then. [17:25] yeah, that's like me [17:26] lw0x15: yeah but not just coding, building systems in general [17:26] I 'spect Verizon doesn't care about the casual torrentor, as long as you're not doing it at peak usage times [17:26] Action: slackytude will torrent the new Red dwarf stuff [17:26] lw0x15: like doing some cool stuff with servers or whatever [17:26] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.162) left irc: [17:26] new red dwarf? [17:26] gonna buy the dvd, too, tho [17:26] yeah ^-^ [17:26] When i do torrent, it's movies, and i want to be able to watch them here at school, which means comcast needs to stop turning off bandwidth just because you use it. [17:26] There's a new series yeah. [17:26] Never watched the old one though. [17:27] dive, old crew, new episodes [17:27] dive, on channel "dave" in uk [17:27] slackytude, didn't know any had been made for years [17:27] haha wtf [17:27] dive, there hasnt, its about to start filming has begun [17:27] k [17:27] now i found a framework to make openxml [17:27] :| [17:28] no need for me to reinvent the wheel then [17:28] dive, supposedly, its starts with them reaching the earth [17:28] why do only sloppy organization people put up torrents anyway? [17:28] right I shall look out for them then [17:28] Action: CaptObviousman keeps getting hugely disorganized discographies [17:29] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) joined ##slackware. [17:29] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:30] __tst__ (n=tst@200.99.74.18) left ##slackware ("bye"). [17:30] megaf (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) joined ##slackware. [17:30] hi all, how to activate support for 8GB ram? [17:31] in the kernel [17:31] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [17:31] CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y [17:32] sidmario (n=m@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:32] megaf hi [17:32] sidmario: [22:31:44] CONFIG_HIGHMEM64G=y [17:32] thanks dive [17:32] y [17:33] thanks dive [17:33] np [17:33] thank me too .. i sayed in the kernel :) [17:33] megaf, doesnt the slackware kernel have that already? [17:33] thanks dive, for being ... uh, dive-ish! [17:33] Action: CaptObviousman pours dive a beer [17:33] thanks [17:33] renew (n=renew@adsl-68-127-170-23.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:33] nachox: i dont think so [17:33] got some ruddles county bitter here [17:35] Action: BP{k} adds that to his list of ales to try. [17:35] yeah not too bad [17:35] alruna (n=hasse@c-85dce253.020-22-73746f2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:35] man, I dislike firefox [17:35] I have two Speherds Neames ales in the fridge, A bishops finger and a spitfire. [17:36] mmm [17:36] opera needs socks support :( [17:36] I really should post a picture of the various ales I have consumed on my blog :) [17:36] slackytude, tsocks [17:37] hiptobecubic, doesnt work with ssh -D afaik [17:37] BP{k}, you got a blog? link? [17:37] hiptobecubic, sadly [17:37] slackytude, i'm pretty certain i've used it [17:38] hiptobecubic, http://tsocks.sourceforge.net/faq.php#ssh [17:38] dive: http://tinyurl.com/2ejgvz [17:39] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [17:39] slackytude, i _just_ checked it with lynx. if i ssh to my home server and run lynx through tsocks through ssh i get the ip of my homeserver at tnx.nl/ip [17:39] no tsocks, i get my ip here at school [17:39] qneo (n=knao@adsl-dyn76.91-127-98.t-com.sk) left ##slackware. [17:39] hiptobecubic, O_o [17:39] Action: slackytude tries [17:40] tsocks lynx -dump tnx.nl/ip [17:40] gives home ip. while lynx -dump tnx.nl/ip give my ip [17:42] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [17:42] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.6) left irc: [17:42] What can I use to convert the formats like U8, and U16_LE created by arecord? [17:42] larsmw (n=lars@90.184.232.222) left irc: "Leaving" [17:42] BP{k}, interesting - I managed to install cygwin on a usb key + mintty rather that putty, but I haven't found a good use for it yet except to be able to install openssh on friends machines [17:42] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [17:42] slackytude, also, i don't see where that page even says it won't work. It says you can't use any proxy that can't be reached... which is obvious [17:43] dive, that's an excellent use [17:44] megaf (n=megaf@unaffiliated/megaf) left ##slackware ("Konversation terminated!"). [17:44] hiptobecubic, no luck so far. I dont get an error but no page either [17:44] slackytude, i'll show my setup. hold on [17:45] radi0head (n=freaksho@modemcable228.95-83-70.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Client Quit [17:46] hiptobecubic, actually Im getting connection refused, with is kinda odd [17:46] rafb is down O_o [17:46] Have you guys installed Photoshop via Wine and got it working? Should I try or is it doomed to fail? [17:46] hiptobecubic: "welcome to Horde"? [17:46] kjell, save yourself thirty years' hassle and install gimpshop [17:47] Is gimpshop good? [17:47] dive: it's wasn't an ideal solution, but it worked well enough with her parents being somewhat paranoid of things they dont understand :D [17:47] kjell, it's gimp with a mask on [17:49] gnubien (n=e@230.255.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:49] slackytude, http://pastebin.ca/1323939 [17:49] question about scanner device -< Is this going to be the only device (maybe there is a symlink somewhere and no i do no show a /dev/scanner*) the scanner is addressed by ? -> device `hpaio:/usb/Deskjet_F4200_series?serial=CN87B2P3SW05BR' [17:50] i am already scanning I am just curious about the device name [17:50] Will have a look when I get back home. I will reinstall Slack, I just installed it with 4GB SWAP and the rest of the 500GB harddrive on /. I'm not sure how to partition it to get it good. Could someone here help me out with a reasonable partition-setup for a 500GB harddrive? [17:50] trying to teach my family how to use the scanner in linux to keep them away from windows [17:50] hiptobecubic, mhh, looks the same except the socks type [17:50] if they have to type that they are gonna be like .. uhh nope [17:50] slackytude, socks5 [17:51] is what ssh -D uses [17:51] whatever that even means. I'm sure it's true, though, as i have to set firefox to socks5 for it to work as well. [17:51] dtanner, where do you get that device from? kde? [17:52] dive: no, i get it from "sane-find-scanner" and "scanimage -L" and the scanner device works when i address it as so. [17:52] hiptobecubic, got firefox at socks4 and it doesnt work either way [17:53] slackytude, lol. right. it shouldn't. you need to use socks5 [17:53] with opera I mean. It works fine with firefox and xchat builtin socks support [17:53] hiptobecubic, nope, if I use socks4 I need to do dns locally. socks5 will do dns on remote site [17:53] dive: maybe I have to use "udev" to set a more "sane" ( no pun intended ) device name. [17:54] renew (n=renew@c-71-198-127-4.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:54] dtanner, so what is the problem exactly? [17:54] slackytude, if opera doesn't have socks support then i don't know what you have to do. in firefox you can tell it whether or not to tunnel your dns or not. [17:54] anyway, opera will load empty pages now very quickly. no error [17:55] slackytude, does lynx? [17:55] Action: slackytude tries [17:55] try that command i posted and see if you get different ips [17:55] jets0n (n=jets0n@93-136-4-86.adsl.net.t-com.hr) joined ##slackware. [17:55] <3 tnx.nl/ip [17:55] read my original pasts , I am trying to find another name to call the scanner by ( like a device in /deev/possibly , if my family has to type that in everytime they scan they are going to boot windows . there has to be a way to set a symlink ( or maybe there is already one set) for a shorter name to call/address the scanner by. [17:55] goddamn I hate gxine [17:55] I take that back: I hate how firefox is configured >_> [17:55] kamaji, ++ [17:56] hiptobecubic, heh, yeah lynx works [17:56] xine is much better [17:56] kamaji: I dislike *xine* in general [17:56] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [17:56] slackytude, alright so who knows what opera is doing. you're running it as tsocks opera and turning off proxy anything in opera right? [17:56] O_o [17:56] dtanner: I try never to use it so I can't _really_ say, but whenever it comes up I get angry :D [17:57] kamaji: =) [17:57] duh [17:57] slackytude, duh? [17:57] hiptobecubic, heh, works after I disabled proxys [17:57] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [17:57] slackytude, :D :D [17:57] heh, thanks ^-^ [17:57] dtanner, xsane should just read the device - you shouldnt type anything in :? [17:57] slackytude, no worries :) [17:58] yeah for opera with socks on \o/ [17:58] slackytude, application <--> tsocks <--> ssh tunnel <--> internet. Telling the application to find the tunnel will break it. [17:58] yeah, its kinda obvoius now [17:59] yeah it took me forever to figure tsocks out properly [17:59] but it's a great tool [18:00] yeah, I remeber using some sockify app back with win98 [18:00] ssh is really powerfull [18:00] oh tsocks looks awesome! does it use ptrace? [18:00] dive: yes, but there should be already a simpler device name or I could make it set a symlink with udev if not. I was just asking , i like to know whwat the gui frontends are doing , sometimes I do not boot to X and like to use command line to scan and typing in that device name is hideous. but thanks anyways. [18:01] I use it from my work slack to open a reverse tunnel, so I can ssh into work witout opening firewall ports [18:01] funky stuff [18:02] kamaji, ptrace? [18:02] no clue [18:02] dtanner, I use a bash script to scan that uses 'scanimage' command and I don't have to type in device name. You should not have type that in anywhere. [18:03] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Iceknife (n=Iceknife@unaffiliated/iceknife) joined ##slackware. [18:04] dive: i thought xsane would "just find it" but it does not. probably looking for a more sane device name. even though sane-find-scanner finds it and scanimage works fine. *shrug* i will google on setting up the device name ( symilnk to that long device name ) to a shorter and simpler device name. [18:05] dive: and i need it system wide , several users will be accesing the scanner, not just a/my bash script. [18:05] uSlacker (n=gmartin@pool-71-185-211-243.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:06] dtanner, then you haven't set up sane properly - did you set up the corect file in /etc/sane.d/xxx.conf etc? [18:07] kitche (i=kitche@sourcemage/guru/kitche) joined ##slackware. [18:08] reading man pages concerning that now, i just thought someone would know of a symmlink that may already be set by udev. thanks for help though. [18:08] sane found my scanner without a problem, i did not have to configure anything, just add users to the scanner group, both xsane and kde's kooka run good [18:09] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [18:09] kamaji, yes ptrace is awesome. [18:09] Hi! [18:09] slackytude: ja, it says it intercepts the calls [18:09] hiptobecubic: I really need to play with it some time [18:09] dtanner, well it used to be /dev/scanner - you could always link that to /proc/bus/usb/xxx/xxx [18:10] Is there a way to calm down the mouse sensitivity in Linux? [18:10] e01 (n=OSCorp01@194.141.47.101) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:10] Or just for X would be ok, too. [18:10] slackytude, you can do some really great things with tunneling. Are you talking about number 5 here ? http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-10sysadtips/index.html?ca=drs- [18:11] jets0n (n=jets0n@93-136-4-86.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [18:12] hiptobecubic, aye [18:12] reverse tunnel [18:12] ssh -R [18:13] the machine at work does autossh -R PORT IP, so I can always reach ir [18:14] ktabic (n=ktabic@home.ktabic.co.uk) left irc: "I'm a professionally trainined computer scientist. That is to say, I am poorly educated" [18:17] dtanner, read the docs on setting up a scanner manually at http://www.sane-project.org [18:17] dtanner, if you can't just scan then there's a problem with your config [18:18] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [18:18] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) left irc: [18:18] dtanner, or groups - like Pig_Pen said they need to be in scanner group [18:18] josemanuel (n=josemanu@70.0.222.87.dynamic.jazztel.es) left irc: "Saliendo" [18:20] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:21] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [18:21] bah [18:21] kresho (n=kresho@unaffiliated/kresho) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:21] hiptobecubic, if my answer didnt get through, yes, I meant nr 5. a reverse tunnel, ssh -r [18:22] yes [18:22] upyr (n=upyr@79.174.35.21) joined ##slackware. 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[18:37] HI have a slackware question [18:37] ibm.com has some great tutorials [18:37] guitarman4 (n=steve@d209-121-157-169.bchsia.telus.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:37] rc.snmpd is executable.. [18:37] you found the right channel then [18:37] but doesn't start the snmpd on boot [18:38] /etc/rc.d/rc.snmpd* [18:38] Drgb (n=berserk@unaffiliated/bofh) joined ##slackware. [18:38] any ideas how to make slackware start sndmpd on boot ? [18:39] aside from adding /etc/rc.d/rc.sndmpd start to my rc.local [18:39] nargon, ls-al, make sure the -x flag is set on /etc/rc.d/rc.snmpd* [18:39] yeah man its executable [18:40] running 12.2 [18:42] err, I find no reference in the startup script that calls rc.snmpd [18:42] odd [18:42] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:43] /etc/rc.d/rc.M: /etc/rc.d/rc.snmpd start [18:44] one of you is saying snmpd, and the other is saying sndmpd [18:44] maybe somewhere is a typo? 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[18:47] that means there was an update and you didnt bother to check the new config files that came with it [18:48] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) joined ##slackware. [18:48] sop is to add new config files to rc.d with .new extension instead of overwriting the existing ones [18:48] so should i cat rc.M.new >> rc.M ? [18:49] no [18:49] do a diff and see what changed. [18:51] hotohori17 (i=1000@dynamic-78-8-3-24.ssp.dialog.net.pl) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:51] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:51] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:52] PaddyMac (n=patrick@dialup-4.153.200.219.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) joined ##slackware. [18:56] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:57] Linus (n=Lee@85.139.11.132) joined ##slackware. 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[19:15] Action: slackytude hides [19:15] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:15] im trying to compile version 5.1.30 (in order to have amarok2 install correctly). now when i run just './configure' then 'make', everthing turns out great. however when i start adding in cflags, and --prefixes, make gives me an error that says -lgcc cannot be found [19:16] could be formating. which line are you passing to configure, specifically ? [19:16] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:16] also, are you implying that amarok2 in /testing is broken? O.o [19:17] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] keveam (n=kevin@24-182-224-178.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) left irc: Client Quit [19:19] CFLAGS="-fPIC" CXFLAGS="-fPIC" ./configure --with-embedded-server --with-pic --with-mysqld-ldflags=-all-static [19:19] and yes, the amarok in /testing has brought out some strange and annoying issues for me [19:19] eh, cant help you there [19:20] the main one being having no local collection [19:20] but i want to install everything i need to from source to see if that would do the trick for me [19:20] o_O? 2009, linux in the desktop! [19:21] amarok complais about not having mysqle during installation [19:21] um... yeah??? [19:21] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) joined ##slackware. [19:21] Action: thrice` thinks amarok2 sucks a big one [19:21] honestly, im not feeling it at all [19:21] just use xmms :] [19:22] they claimed they made everything better. however. more than half the options from 1.4 are simply missing [19:22] bleh. xmms.. gross [19:22] i never liked amarok (any version) it just wants to do too much for an audio/video player, (i only use xmms for audio and mplayer for video) [19:22] i use audacios [19:22] or use jerboa :) [19:22] better, cmus ;) [19:22] kilasmurf, they want to introduce that features at a later point [19:23] jerboa is an app fred wrote for qt4 [19:23] kde in general tries to do too much, but some of their apps i like alot [19:23] Linus (n=Lee@85.139.11.132) left irc: Connection timed out [19:25] time to mix a drink, brb [19:27] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:27] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:27] gOi_ (n=carter@196-209-63-250-rrba-esr-3.dynamic.isadsl.co.za) joined ##slackware. [19:28] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [19:28] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:29] Nick change: gOi_ -> euler- [19:30] ive been toying with this amarok2 thing for hours now. my brain is tired, and im about to go back to 1.4 [19:30] http://etoileos.com/uploads/screenshots/etoile-0.4-vindaloo.png [19:31] hba, ? [19:31] check out the buildscript in slamd64; he builds mysql during the amarok2 build [19:32] slackytude: http://etoileos.com/etoile/ [19:33] yet another wm [19:33] sup with that link hba ?? [19:34] thrice`: where do i find that builderscript [19:34] hehe, not a wm, but more than a desktop.. or that seems to me. [19:34] Action: slackytude shrugs [19:35] slamd64.com, click on get slamd64 / mirrors, and navigate to slamd64-current/testing [19:35] way too many to know them all [19:35] cooh, thanks [19:36] eh weired [19:36] got the same fortune cookie local and on remote machine [19:37] anyway.. at this moment im happy with dwm. [19:37] dwm? [19:38] dwm = dynamic window manager, it is a cool little window manager [19:39] dusty_ (n=dusty@88-105-113-226.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [19:39] *ahem* nothing beats fluxbox [19:39] <3 xfce [19:40] trusty ol' fvwm is still my favorite [19:40] ugly [19:40] heh, oldschool [19:40] a step above cli :P [19:40] A step above CLI is a step in the wrong direction [19:41] ^oldschool [19:41] raela|alt (n=raela@12.89.75.126) left irc: "Lost terminal" [19:41] Action: slackytude googles fvwm images [19:41] yeah, show me some hot shit :) [19:42] Action: FriedBob takes a photo of a steaming turd and sends to kilasmurf [19:42] hey, doesnt look to bad [19:42] didnt know it can do fancy stuff [19:42] it can, but requires alot of hacking :) [19:43] nope, its gross [19:43] fvwm has a very customizable .fvwm2rc file [19:43] flux ftw [19:43] or robbing of others configs :) [19:43] Action: thrice` thinks he is switching back to kde with 4.2 [19:45] FriedBob, got a screenshot of your desktop? [19:45] ill use k.apps all day, but never their wm [19:46] kilasmurf: you've tried 4.2, yes? [19:46] yeah. earlier today actually [19:46] krunner alone is enough for me to switch :) [19:47] PaddyMac (n=patrick@dialup-4.153.200.219.Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:47] thrice`, what have you been using before 4.2? [19:49] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:49] The-spiki (n=spiki@234-220.static.ikomline.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] slackytude2 (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [19:50] bah [19:51] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:51] Nick change: slackytude2 -> slackytude [19:53] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [19:53] Action: lw0x15 is tipsy on brandy [19:57] Carrier-Freq (n=root@217.194.139.3) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:06] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:12] Gargantua (n=sk@S01060016b60647ad.cg.shawcable.net) left irc: Connection timed out [20:13] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:14] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) left irc: Client Quit [20:14] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) joined ##slackware. [20:14] buzzing on lightning [20:15] hey, anybody know if there is a slackbuild for qt3? [20:15] beep [20:15] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [20:15] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [20:15] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@89.181.28.115) joined ##slackware. [20:15] i bet you can find a slackbuild for qt3 at most slackware mirrors [20:16] i tried installing qt1 [20:16] qt4* [20:16] never succeeded [20:16] ;-/ [20:16] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) left irc: Client Quit [20:16] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-12.2/source/l/qt/ [20:16] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) joined ##slackware. [20:16] tried like five times [20:16] is it possible to detect multiple keypresses at the console? [20:16] awesome, I was just looking at slackbuilds.org. Thanks for the tip. [20:17] gm152 (n=glen@d121-132-40.home3.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] fluxnuk3r (n=fluxnuk3@173-24-19-217.client.mchsi.com) joined ##slackware. [20:17] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware-current/testing/source/kde4/deps/qt/ you try this? [20:17] hello [20:18] how do I install software on a system that doesn't have package management or a compiler? [20:18] I have qt4 now after installing kde 4.2, but I ran the remove scripts and it took out qt3 [20:19] atleast thats what im getting when i try to do a compile for virtualbox [20:19] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) joined ##slackware. [20:19] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [20:20] kestrel: the remove scripts as in remove-kde3.sh and remove-kde4.sh? [20:20] limpio (n=macondo@190.140.43.16) left irc: Client Quit [20:20] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:20] bah tabfail. kevman ^^^ [20:21] yup [20:21] appzer0 (n=appzer0@88.188.134.86) joined ##slackware. [20:21] oh dear [20:21] how remarkably strange!!! [20:21] [20:22] Action: kevman is the noob [20:22] danc3 (n=danc3@ip70-187-39-94.pn.at.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [20:22] obviously. yes those scripts remove qt3. they are desgined to do so. [20:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [20:23] Yeah. Which is fine, kde 4.2 works well for me, but I need my Virtualbox. [20:23] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [20:24] You'll have to recompile VirtualBox with qt4 support. [20:24] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.63.122) joined ##slackware. [20:24] kevman: have you installed *all* of testing/packages/kde4? [20:25] cause if you have installed all you syhould have qt3 as part of kde3-compat [20:25] slackytude (i=1009@e180230184.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving" [20:25] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "-1" [20:25] Yeah, i grabbed all of them [20:26] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:26] Kaapa (n=Somethin@89.181.93.63) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:26] Nick change: Kaapa_ -> Kaapa [20:26] what does ls -l /var/log/packages/qt* tell you? [20:26] vbox will build with qt4 [20:26] BP{k}: Nothing, I have to read it... [20:27] kevlinux: ls -l /var/log/packages/qt3-3.3.8b-i486-opt1 [20:27] kevman: ^ [20:27] FriedBob: uhm okay *stab* [20:28] fluxnuk3r: just got back from the other side of LA [20:28] no file. [20:28] kevman: which one .. the one clavius posted or the one I asked you to? [20:28] sorry, BP{k} [20:29] actually clavius did show up though. [20:29] because i forgot the * :/ [20:30] raela|alt (n=raela@12.89.75.126) joined ##slackware. [20:31] kilasmurf (n=kilasmur@c-69-142-70-29.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:31] strange. its listed in pkgtool as well, so it must be something else causing the compile problem. [20:32] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-168-131-252.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [20:32] replay (n=replay@69.26.207.6) joined ##slackware. [20:32] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-170-49-17.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [20:32] kevman: how about you show us a buildlog (ie show *where* it goes wrong in the compile)? [20:33] will do, im running it again now. [20:33] you have to provide the path to qt3 or disable it. [20:34] Qt3 not found at "/usr/lib/qt" or Qt3 headers not found [20:35] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [20:35] /usr/lib/qt is populated though. [20:35] yeah with qt4 [20:36] ./configure --with-qt-dir=DIR [20:37] http://www.blup-bbs.de/des-or-mad/digimaging/projekte/open-your-mind.jpg [20:37] panzer (n=panzer@h99.27.91.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [20:37] --with-qt4-dir=/usr/lib/qt --disable-qt3 That might work. [20:37] free your mind and your ass will follow = total freedom :D [20:38] lol [20:40] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) joined ##slackware. [20:42] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@20150022047.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: "Leaving" [20:43] jaja :) [20:43] acidkill_ (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [20:44] Bop_ (i=0@bl4-167-93.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:45] actually [20:45] you should be able to do QT3=no QT4=yes ./virtualbox-ose.SlackBuild [20:45] yup, i just did that and it seems to be working. [20:46] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:46] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.42.161) left irc: [20:47] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:47] howdy boys'n'girls :-) [20:49] macavity, howdy [20:49] kestrel (n=will@64.126.139.83) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:51] does anyone know if there is an easy way to rebuild the menu for kde4 so that the entries from kde3 are removed? [20:51] nix_chix0r (n=misspwna@75-104-27-134.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [20:52] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: "leaving" [20:54] kleanchap (n=chatzill@c-69-143-107-103.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: "bbl. Have a good one. Peace!" [20:56] there is a good old spaghetti western on TV, got to watch! [20:56] Strykar (n=wakka@122.169.71.24) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [20:57] io- (n=io-@72.25.30.162.dynamic.dejazzd.com) left irc: "Leaving" [20:58] Pig_Pen: For a Few Dollars More ? [20:58] yup [20:58] AMC [20:58] outstanding [20:58] i love those old western movies [20:58] it's followed by "The Good the bad, and the ugly" on my cable [20:58] on EncoreW [20:58] same here [20:59] classics [20:59] AMerican Movie Classics [20:59] I bet Clint would be a Slacker if he used Linux [20:59] yup [20:59] damn straight [21:00] hell, I'm gonna go watch it as well [21:00] laters [21:00] edman007|work (n=edman007@ool-44c286d0.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:03] Holy crap, PNG is lossless? [21:04] :o [21:04] fevel (n=fevel@200.222.210.2) joined ##slackware. [21:11] spymod (i=loli@pdpc/supporter/active/CAcert.Assurer.spymod) left irc: "Saindo" [21:11] Rat409 (n=Rat409@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:22] user6980 (n=user7232@ppp-69-223-55-62.dsl.dytnoh.ameritech.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:22] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving." [21:23] P4C0: have you actually googled this? [21:23] macavity: it says it isn't build in and no module loaded [21:23] nm, found it (arithmetic encoding) [21:23] BP{k}: what do you mean? I read the man page... [21:23] user6980: kbuildsycoca4 maybe [21:24] oh, he left [21:24] P4C0: have you actually spend time googling this prolbem? [21:24] oh I don't know ... like going to google.com and putting in .. you know .. on the top of my head "samba support for mysql" ? [21:24] let me look up the samba .SlackBuild instead [21:25] http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourceid=mozclient&scoring=d&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=samba++support+for+mysql [21:25] P4C0: slackware 12.2? [21:25] like the FIRST link: As of Samba release 3.0.23, support for MySQL and PostGreSQL passdb backends has been removed from the Samba tree, due to lack of an active maintainer. [21:26] Iceknife (n=Iceknife@unaffiliated/iceknife) left irc: "Leaving" [21:26] macavity: don't waste your time. [21:27] BP{k}: yes [21:27] P4C0: really? [21:27] BP{k}: yes [21:27] P4C0: then what's the problem? [21:27] no mysql support [21:28] i guess they forgot to update the manpage [21:28] ... which is freaking bad [21:28] cause IF you had googled as you say you have (which I doubt), then you could have seen what I have posted. IF you had seen that, and looked at the versions, you would have seen that slackware 12.2 ships with samba 3.2.5 .. way ahead of samba 3.0.23 in which mysql was removed. [21:29] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-170-49-17.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [21:29] but on the other hand... samba4 is going to rock like hell, so do what you always do with Free/Open software: wait and pray :P [21:30] biatche (i=biatche@unaffiliated/biatche) joined ##slackware. [21:30] kevman (n=kevin@ool-44c7354e.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:30] macavity: you forgot bitch and moan. [21:30] BP{k}: yes, the docs I found is for samba 3.0.25, but didn't notice it was dropped [21:31] you mean despite you just claiming you had googled it? [21:31] Pig_Pen (n=Rip_Van_@24-117-12-214.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "Laters ya old cold taters" [21:31] BP{k}: I do google it, but didn't pay attention to the version [21:32] Action: BP{k} goes in search of brandy. [21:32] I am way to sober to deal with this. [21:32] ello BP{k} =] [21:33] lw0x15: dammit. share that brandy :) [21:33] :)) [21:33] http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3390/3242014861_541d448678_b.jpg [21:33] that much left [21:33] :( [21:33] :| [21:33] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:34] lw0x15: wait 'til you're really drunk then do some programming [21:34] ooh :) couvoisier even .. nice :) [21:34] :] [21:35] kamaji (n=kamaji@resnet-186224.resnet.bris.ac.uk) left irc: "sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep" [21:35] ... and now we know how ntoskernl.sys was made... [21:35] macavity: lies [21:35] lns40 (n=snL20@149-203-34.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: "\m/ irssi \m/" [21:35] they were drunk and stone. [21:35] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving" [21:35] ok.. they werent drunk [21:35] stoned* [21:36] they were on meth for 40 days and nights before they started :P [21:36] being stoned and then program isn that bad [21:36] but drunk and stoned is pretty bad combination [21:36] ;-/ [21:37] mildly weed stoned can be a benefit for the creative process... not for the QA [21:37] :]] [21:37] being stoned on some kind of opiate is never good for anything... except killing pain [21:38] i feel hungry now :-/ [21:38] Action: BP{k} has pizza :) [21:39] hehe [21:39] BP{k}: i hope its dominos or better ;P [21:40] SupernalTriad (n=Supernal@c-24-126-181-37.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[21:41] macavity: being rude today [21:41] alienbob banned him [21:41] SharkBait: U-HA-HA! :P [21:41] imexius (n=imexius@unaffiliated/imexius) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:42] macavity, :P [21:42] Action: macavity finds himself very witty [21:43] I should change my name to bruce :P [21:43] would that be pronounced "Brussssssssssssssse"? <_tongue_in_cheek> [21:43] if anyone of you are paying attention to slashdot these days, with all the AD and Exchange compatibility work being done, you will notice that 2009 and will be the year of the Linux LAN Server :P [21:44] eeek.. i broke my own rule: s|Linux|GNU/Linux| [21:44] at least you're not predicting the "year of the Linux Desktop" or something similar :) [21:44] si this valid: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/active-directory-slackware12.2samba3.2.5openldap2.3.43kerberos51.6.3-700888/ ? [21:45] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [21:46] the q's on the second post seem interesting [21:46] macavity: http://xkcd.com/323/ [21:47] XGizzmo_: lol :-) [21:48] XGizzmo_: good one :) [21:48] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: "leaving" [21:49] agentc0re (n=agentc0r@c-98-202-50-242.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:54] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:54] glarb (i=1000@c-68-43-104-151.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:57] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [22:00] grimrider (n=grimride@nova-stat-216-255-53-121.novadsl.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-105-230-47-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [22:02] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [22:04] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:04] I put my TV shows on my usb stick so I can watch them on my ps2 with sms. Ive noticed sometimes one or 2 of my files that I delete from the stick will end up in my home directory. This only happens occasionaly. Is this a bug, or is there something im missing here? [22:06] Cann0n (n=jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [22:06] hey [22:06] vinnie_ : bug with what exactly? you never told us how you remove them [22:07] ananke: im running kde, and i just right click and delete the files [22:07] O.o [22:08] vinnie_ : by default that puts those files in kde's trash [22:08] Ficthe (n=grieve@unaffiliated/ficthe) left irc: Connection timed out [22:08] which is a waste of hd space [22:08] ananke: ive enabled delete from konqueror settings [22:08] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [22:08] i dont use trash [22:08] vinnie_ : where do the files end up exactly? in /home/username/ ? [22:09] yes [22:09] i can delete 5 files and maybe only one ends up therer [22:09] there* [22:10] never heard of such bug [22:10] r0b (n=r0b@unaffiliated/r0b) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:10] have you tried another file manager or maybe the "old fashioned" way? [22:11] vinnie_, try doin rm from the command line and see if it does it then [22:11] do you have the correct perms? [22:11] grimrider: ok [22:11] Cann0n: yes [22:12] Cann0n, what's the "old fashioned" way ? [22:12] Ficthe (n=grieve@70.92.7.116) joined ##slackware. [22:12] Cann0n: no i havent tried other file managers. its not that huge of a problem to change file managers. I love konqueror. Im just curious why itb happens [22:12] briareus (n=briareus@unaffiliated/briareus) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:12] pip: rm lol. [22:13] vinnie_: i like pcmanfm when i use X [22:14] i've tried so many. that one fits my feet better than any other [22:16] grimrider (n=grimride@nova-stat-216-255-53-121.novadsl.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:17] good night [22:17] macavity (n=macavity@3e6b3a9e.rev.stofanet.dk) left irc: "leaving" [22:19] BBC -> Big freeze expected to hit the UK -> Night-time temperatures are set to drop to -2C (28F) [22:19] is that really cold over there? [22:19] wtf? thats summer weather! [22:19] which package contains libgnome.so file ? [22:20] no idea. gnome is the devil [22:20] lol [22:20] pip, /dev/null [22:20] Cann0n, lies [22:21] Cann0n, I was trying to install xscreensaver [22:21] (xscreensaver-demo:28443): libglade-WARNING **: Could not load support for `gnome': libgnome.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [22:21] because gnome is in included in slack [22:21] edman007: im in florida and we are having another freeze... all my pot plants are dead now... thx god. [22:21] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "I am Joe's quit message." [22:21] Cann0n, where in FL [22:21] Cann0n, I'm sorry to hear that [22:21] ? [22:22] edman007, USA [22:22] pip: oh. dunno dude. i dont use xscreensaver [22:22] pip, the USA is not in FL [22:22] Cann0n, then what screensaver do you use ? [22:22] pip, xlock [22:22] FL is in USA [22:22] Northern Florida. an hour north of orlando or so [22:22] edman007, I need xlock ? [22:23] nope, but thats what i use [22:23] pip: i dont. [22:23] recommend a bittorrent [22:23] this laptop runs hot so i tend to shut it down when i dont use it. [22:24] client^ [22:24] transmission is light weight [22:24] Cann0n, wow, where my brother is they have the low on Wednesday as being 40, and thats the lowest for the week [22:25] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:26] its -2C here [22:26] in FL? [22:27] it was nice today. i skated 12 miles in a tee shirt and shorts... now it's cold as an eskimo's shit [22:27] mmmlsls /usr/bin [22:27] its 27f/-2.7'C in right here [22:27] yeah [22:27] where at? [22:27] and i think thats pretty warm [22:27] long island [22:27] ah [22:27] lol, at my house though (i'm not there), its 10'F [22:28] ewww [22:28] yesterday it hit 0 [22:28] 'F [22:29] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [22:29] i hate the climate here. one day its hot as the devils dick, then the next it's freezing [22:29] Cann0n, haha? thats bad? [22:29] in CT we get 95'F+ in the summer and -10/-15'F in the winter [22:29] yeah. id rather it be one or the other. i dont mind the cold, as long as im used to it [22:30] zlyzyr (n=mike@cpe-76-180-122-198.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:30] kso3 (n=t35bd9e@no.one.saw.me.onthenet.as) joined ##slackware. [22:33] last week was hell. their was a 50F temperature change between 24 hours [22:34] as far as local weather channel stated [22:34] where at? [22:34] florida [22:34] Cann0n, its not bad in FL, the fact is the further you get from the water the worse the temp change gets, and FL has a lot of water [22:35] in CT i have had it go from 80 to 30 in 12 hours [22:36] yeah but its just so fast changing, i cant get used to temp. one day its shorts, then a cold front blow in and id be wearing 3 pairs of pants like yesterday lol [22:36] and i hear some deserts can be even worse, with no clouds and no water, ever, they will do 100 to 30 and back every day [22:36] yeah, see. i hate that [22:36] yeah. i,d rather be in a more stable climate [22:37] like more toward the eqautor [22:37] Cann0n, well beat up nullboy [22:37] he has winter lows of what? 50? and summer highs of 80.. [22:37] must be nice [22:37] he lives in some fake weather area or something [22:38] Cann0n, see, its WTF -> http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=ventura,%20CA&wuSelect=WEATHER [22:38] speaking of nullboy... wpa_supplicant added like 45 seconds to my boot [22:38] how is it 56'F over there? [22:38] hiptobecubic (n=john@nat072.wireless.miami.edu) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:38] Cann0n, for things like that i try to run it in the background if possible [22:40] mrselfpwn (n=mrselfpw@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [22:40] damn [22:40] gar0t0 (n=gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [22:41] yea, i usually go through all my init scripts and just put a & after everything thats not really required and nothing deps on it [22:42] cali... [22:42] yeah, i never got around to doing that... fear of breakage [22:43] i hear that speeds boot up a lot [22:43] im already down from about 2 minutes to 45 seconds doing everything but that [22:44] resuming from suspend2disk is faster [22:44] gregsparc (n=chatzill@208.65.91.90) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [22:44] tank-man: i have problems "waking up" out of that [22:45] my screen never mants to come back on until i reboot. [22:45] s/mants/wants [22:46] mikearr (n=miker@pool-71-122-94-105.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [22:48] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) joined ##slackware. [22:49] oh i love the part in aliens 3 where the leader gets snatched up and one guy says "fuck!" [22:50] xfce: gnome on crack! jajaja :) [22:51] lol [22:51] subgeniusd (n=subgeniu@user-1121s53.dsl.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [22:51] SharkBait (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:53] how do I compile java source in slackware? [22:54] salckbuilds.org [22:54] slackbuilds.org [22:54] ah, slackware doesn't have javac by default [22:54] ok, thanks [22:55] skibur: jdk is in 'extra' [22:55] ok [22:56] skibur: if you are in slackware-12.2 you can execute as root, 'slackpkg install jdk' [22:56] o ok [22:56] :P [22:58] maybe in the future we're going to see something like, 'alias apt-get=slackpkg' :) [22:58] yep. as long as it's an alternate universe [22:59] ... [22:59] apt-get can guzzle my seed. [22:59] yikes [23:00] Cann0n, tell us how you really feel [23:00] Nick change: nargon -> norgan [23:00] lol [23:00] Nick change: norgan -> nargon [23:00] nothing like an adolescent eloquence [23:01] well, it all started on a trolling benge in #ubuntu... i was a lad of 8 on a cold spring day when i came home... apt-get had murdered my favorite adoptive parents... [23:02] That sounds like a bitch [23:03] actually, i didnt know about apt-get until march of last year lol. [23:03] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: "..(cyp): [BX] Silly wabbit, BitchX is for kids!" [23:03] I have been apt-gettin since the late 90's [23:03] been using slackware since '00 or '01 [23:03] It was a debian thing [23:04] yeah [23:04] I was putting yellow dog and debian on late 90's macs [23:04] lol. been a long time since i heard yellow dog [23:04] I hate to admit I didn't get into slackware till version 9 [23:05] nullboy (n=nullboy@unaffiliated/nullboy) joined ##slackware. [23:05] I do remember being astonished at how everything worked out of the box except the mouse and the sound but they were really easy fixes [23:05] Wireless worked but the mouse didn't lol [23:05] dont feel bad. most people dont like slack... the bitch about it being too hard or something like that [23:06] hey nullboy [23:06] I found it so much faster than any other distro at the time [23:06] rc.firewall is supposed to be created by hand right? I mean there's no template for it or anything? [23:07] slackware fits like a nice worn-in slacks that fit semi-loose [23:07] P4C0: you need to make it. google iptables [23:07] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [23:08] P4C0 : correct. [23:09] interestingly enough, rc.firewall gets called too early for some things, such as nfs [23:11] skibur (i=1000@12.197.204.108) left irc: "2 + 2 = 4 and 2 * 2 = 4? 2 is odd" [23:11] ananke: really... hmm [23:13] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [23:14] wamaral (n=wamaral@unaffililated/macguyver) joined ##slackware. [23:15] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: "Leaving" [23:15] HeatHawk[AP2] (n=kevin@CPE0050bffee1db-CM00111ade4d78.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. 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[23:43] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [23:44] gades (n=gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:44] pip (n=pip@unaffiliated/pip) joined ##slackware. [23:50] SharkBait_UH (n=hooch@124-170-52-13.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [23:54] P4C0, http://www.slackware.com/~alien/efg/ [23:54] Rat409 (n=nobody@bb-205-209-66-178.gwi.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] if you havent seen it yet [23:58] dive: thanks a lot ;) I will check it [23:58] np [23:58] there are a few about I think [00:00] --- Sun Feb 1 2009