[00:00] Delahunt: I thought AHCI was a specific chipset [00:00] i'm not sure but i think it's the class of the chipset [00:00] hold on [00:00] AHCI is a class of chipsets [00:00] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.30.6) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [00:00] Delahunt: in any event, I need to rebuild my new kernel with AHCI support heh. [00:01] for me, lzip is the total replacement of gzips and bzip2s [00:01] how about lrzip [00:01] Final results: gigabit: [ 3] 0.0-10.0 sec 1015 MBytes 851 Mbits/sec && wifi G: [ 3] 0.0-10.2 sec 23.4 MBytes 19.3 Mbits/sec [00:01] hmm mishehu i think i am wrong. try rebuilding with AHCI (but keep a working kernel somewhere so you can reboot and fix if i am wrong) [00:01] what is lzip? <--- has been out of the loop for a while [00:01] fuzzix (~fuzzix@93.107.80.209) joined ##slackware. [00:01] eldragon, please email volkerdi@slackware.com if you have such a recommendation thanks [00:01] mishehu, no packages use >200 MB for that lrzip can distinguish the ratio difference. [00:02] Action: mishehu chuckles [00:02] eldragon: it's good for source though [00:02] for some packages [00:02] I'm unfamiliar with this lzip as well too [00:02] I've used gzip, zip, rzip, lrzip, bzip2. [00:03] http://mirrors.aixtools.net/sv/lzip/ [00:03] I e-mailed patrick about some required apps for ipv6. no response from him yet. I suppose I should have sent the message in an unopened bottle of microbrew beer :-) [00:04] http://www.nongnu.org/lzip/lzip.html [00:05] ok so lzip uses lzma too [00:06] http://tldp.org/LDP/LGNET/162/lindholm.html [00:06] powtrix_ (~powtrix@189-69-16-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:06] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:06] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [00:07] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:07] http://lpar.ath0.com/2009/09/25/documentation-as-an-indicator-of-code-quality/ [00:08] I'm not seeing that compelling of an argument to switch from xz to lzip [00:08] from these links [00:09] lzip has one definitive format's spec, xz has dozens of non-definitive format's specs [00:09] eldragon, documentation is not itself an indicator of code quality [00:09] documentation is not code [00:10] for maintainance of thousands and thousands .xz packages, it's not a good idea bloating the code of multispecified formats of the decompressor [00:11] eldragon, well we don't make these decisions. like i said, email patrick with your recommendation. [00:11] you often times have this issue in any application that you want to have be able to read its earlier formats [00:11] that's why most binary file formats have some sort of versioning marked in the header so that the app can identify what format to use [00:11] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-16-89.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [00:12] with the result of growing the decompressor code. [00:13] again, this "problem" is not necessarily unique to xz [00:14] dtzWill (~will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) joined ##slackware. [00:14] and we might even only be talking about the matter of a switch/case statement [00:14] which is somewhere on the order of 4-5 ticks [00:15] and there's also a diff between there being 10 formats and say, 10240 formats out there [00:16] dtzWill (will@unaffiliated/dtzwill) left ##slackware. [00:16] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [00:17] I am indifferent to your format issues. [00:17] lzip allows multivolume files, xz can't [00:17] and what good does that do for slackpacks? [00:18] imagine grabbing bluray's dumps to many DVD volumes lzip compressed [00:18] you can split any volume basically [00:18] I think there are three people talking about three different things right now. [00:18] I've done it before with gz and bzip2 [00:18] I believe the app itself is called "split" [00:19] i'm using lzip -k9 -S1568M for giant files, for storing 3 volumes to each DVD-R (only -R) in mode iso9660 [00:19] now I'm not saying don't include it. I'm just saying these features aren't as great and wonderful as you think they are. [00:19] (mode iso9660 that accepts only max. 2GiB files) [00:20] I don't know why you don't use udf [00:20] I do for all my dvds [00:20] mishehu, is udf enabled in some linux kernels? [00:21] it should be these days if it isn't [00:21] I can't vouch for this. I'm a slack user. I build my own kernels. [00:21] udf is the filesystem of choice for dvds and required for bluray [00:22] tuvok302Lappy (vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-102.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [00:22] i configured these sizes for maximum compatibility to almost computers [00:22] from oldest to newest computers [00:22] from oldest to newest OSes [00:23] ok, unless you're still running slack3 on your machines, what's this got to do with the price of tea in china? [00:23] the preferred fs for dvd is udf [00:23] hehehe [00:23] and bluray requires this [00:23] (though I don't know if we have full support for udf 2.60 yet or not) [00:24] the udf accesses are slower than iso9660 accesses in my tests [00:24] why, oh why, must system builders be like this? http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/pNzGOv97.html [00:24] eldragon: ok, I think I'm done with you [00:24] I've got the feeling that you're just trolling [00:25] I have seen no performance difference between udf and iso9660 [00:29] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-45-134.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [00:29] hello [00:29] I want to know [00:29] how to set wireshark to monitor icmp [00:31] http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1791106 [00:32] Patero-ng: what part of ICMP are you trying to monitor? [00:32] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:32] that better be a link about chuck norris or cnr [00:33] There is a whole filter option containing the ICMP suite. [00:33] oh and before you ask it...no, ICMP is not just ping. [00:33] Gnosologist (~Gnosologi@unaffiliated/gnosologist) joined ##slackware. [00:34] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [00:35] brokedown (~not@99-164-160-101.lightspeed.tpkaks.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:36] icmp is part of tcp/ip as well [00:36] Patero-ng (~Basura@174-23-45-134.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [00:37] ... [00:40] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [00:45] um no it runs over ip [00:46] Technically, it runs INSIDE of IP [00:46] ya ya [00:46] militant (militant@173.81.61.101) left ##slackware. [00:46] militant (~militant@173.81.61.101) joined ##slackware. [00:48] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Quit: leaving [00:48] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [00:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[01:07] jg71 (~edud@port-92-204-74-177.dynamic.qsc.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:09] antiwire, these days people will do any study to prove anything [01:10] kleanchap (~kleanchap@p5DC315DB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [01:11] haha [01:13] the ones i find funny are the "harsh punishments don't deter people from committing crimes" [01:13] they should study japanese culture and criminal system [01:14] case in point: we once had an airshow here in japan where 260,000 japanese attended. not one thing broken or stolen, no fights, no one was hurt [01:14] if this were 10,000 americans at least 10 would've done something stupid [01:14] oh and there was no littering after that many japanese left [01:15] in their criminal system you get hard labor and harsh penalties [01:16] and keep in mind Japan is #2 economy in the world (USA being #1 right now) [01:17] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [01:17] pretty impressive for a small island with no natural fuel sources of its own save vegetation (if you count that) [01:17] heh lovely. in the middle of an e17 build, enlightenment.org goes down, including the repo [01:17] hi, with slackpg upgrade-all, all pkg to upgrade are stables? [01:18] ovnicraft: that entirely depends on the mirror. [01:19] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [01:19] BP{k}, i have configured mirrors file with http://ftp.belnet.be/packages/slackware/slackware64-13.0/ [01:20] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [01:20] Xires (~Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) left irc: Quit: Xires [01:20] then the packages are considered to be stable yes. [01:21] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [01:21] ok, so my question is because upgrade-all show me kernel updates [01:21] *upgrades [01:21] On SL13, after the initial configuration and downloads thru firefox I noticed the "Downloads" directory for root. After I added an user account and did download some files, Firefox says there is no directory "Downloads". I looked at the /etc/skel directory and it is empty. [01:22] muraii (~muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) joined ##slackware. [01:22] kleanchap, /etc/skel should only apply to newly created users [01:23] ovnicraft: yes and? [01:24] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:24] i wanted to know if what i'll do, dont give me future problems [01:25] Teratogen (leontopod@unaffiliated/teratogen) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [01:26] ovnicraft: the kernel was part of the security updates put out by Pat. [01:26] in other topic, i comment in gsb channel that energy manager dont implements ok or better than kde manager, so in my laptop with gsb my processor gets hot and fan sounds much [01:27] Delahunt, I agree. How come there was "Downloads" directory for root? [01:27] iirc firefox creates that directory [01:27] i get that problem with 20+ hours turned on, now with kde works fine [01:28] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) left irc: Quit: leaving [01:28] kleanchap, i don't know. were you running something that would create such a directory while you were logged in as root? [01:29] Delahunt, I did run Firefox, and sbopkg. [01:30] there you go [01:30] Well, I added Downloads directory in /etc/skel [01:31] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Quit: Leaving [01:32] kethry (~kethry@unaffiliated/kethry) joined ##slackware. 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[02:23] hcfd: swap is automatically striped when there are multiple swap partitions [02:23] xdan779 (~daniel@c-24-12-115-1.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: [02:24] AlexElliott (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [02:26] hcfd: #18 here http://www.linux.org/docs/ldp/howto/Software-RAID-0.4x-HOWTO-8.html [02:26] tuvok302Lappy (vircuser@clgrtnt5-port-102.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:27] Thank you antiwire. Much appreciated. [02:27] np [02:29] hwk (~hwk@CPE-121-220-102-201.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [02:30] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:31] welcome back MLanden [02:31] thanks fire|bird [02:33] My own opinion is to keep swap off the mirror. The swap isn't critical enough to need the redundancy and the overhead added to the system from just the mirroring of swap access wouldn't be worth the resources. [02:34] antiwire, right on the nose. Just use the two identical partitions as two regular swap partitions, put them in fstab and call it done! [02:34] fire|bird: Still messin' with the later build kde4 on opensuse? was goin' to ask if you've messed with minitube [02:34] unless you have one of these. then you can just go crazy http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata2-9000.asp [02:34] how do i use opendns? [02:35] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [02:35] Azeotrope: If you have a router/firewall that hands out dhcp you can probably enter the DNS settings into it [02:36] The-spiki (~spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:36] Azeotrope: If you can't change the router you can set the DNS servers on your own system and tell dhcpcd to not touch them. [02:38] Azeotrope: set them in /etc/resolv.conf and then tell the network scripts to make dhcpcd leave resolv.conf alone, in /etc/rc.inet1.conf look for DHCP_KEEPRESOLV [02:40] antiwire, wow, that's pretty nice. Big bucks I'm sure. [02:46] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [02:47] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:48] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:49] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:49] Nick change: Guest10798 -> mario [02:50] gm152 (~glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [02:52] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-215-188.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [02:53] chopp (~chopp@d142-59-63-193.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[03:30] does voice morphing software exists? something that analyzes a sample voice and the ouputs a voice with the same particularities based on a text input. [03:34] http://www2.research.att.com/~ttsweb/tts/demo.php [03:34] lol [03:35] pupit (~p@93.86.1.73) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:35] pupit (~p@93.86.1.73) joined ##slackware. [03:36] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-179.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [03:38] antiwire (~antiwire@unaffiliated/antiwire) left irc: Quit: Bored by the chore of saving face. [03:40] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) joined ##slackware. [03:43] I have a problem with my xorg.conf, no matter what I change in verticalrefresh or horizontalsync I always have the same refresh. I've noticed this while I tried to play urbanterror. game starts, but the monitor is always out of range. even If I put 50hz in vertical refresh, problem exists. is it possible that hal is doing, and if is, how to fix it? 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[04:20] thanks [04:21] puklesaudio [04:21] lol [04:21] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-222-179.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:23] lw0x15: next generation of punk...with knuckles thrown in...hold on,already done...:D [04:24] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [04:30] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-162-84-115-225.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:31] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [04:31] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:32] hwk (~hwk@CPE-121-220-102-201.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [04:32] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [04:33] hwk (~hwk@CPE-121-220-102-201.lnse3.win.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [04:37] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:37] so, im watching hulu on linux huludesktop, and it's sponsered by windows 7 [04:38] irony much? 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[05:11] i have made one experience with slack 13 in one turion rm 72(x2) at the currente moment its great [05:11] good. [05:11] Nick change: 13WAAAN98 -> t [05:13] rest various things to do but in other machines x86_64 i have a good time with no probles, gentoo 64 [05:13] ok? [05:14] at the moment i will be back over my roots on slack [05:14] ok. [05:15] wertik_rus (~wertik@69.172.130.217) joined ##slackware. [05:23] gaz (~gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [05:23] during the lilo boot up hep s hang with a kernel panic the message says any of time no init found and no console anyone have an idea, thanks for attemption [05:28] hda to sda? [05:29] sda [05:29] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [05:30] SOUL_OF_R00T: can you boot up with the slack dvd? [05:30] hes mounts the root fs normaly [05:31] the slsck dvd has prepared for me one boot in one prn drve [05:32] so can you boot up your regular slack install and reinstall lilo? [05:34] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-111.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [05:34] maybe have one detail in the lilo conf, wath i known see him [05:39] Delahunt (~robert@fd126-019.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [05:41] Action: Delahunt starts a new slackware 13 recompile using Intel's recommended CFLAGS for atom [05:42] are you gonna compile all of Slackware on a netbook? [05:42] necropresto (~necropres@unaffiliated/necropresto) joined ##slackware. [05:42] http://www.puresimplicity.net/~delahunt/atom_cflags.txt [05:42] heck no, that would take forever. i'm compiling it on my core 2 duo instead [05:42] SOUL_OF_R00T (l00l@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Fui embora [05:42] in a virtual box [05:43] hey. a question: why mpg321 went out??? [05:43] read the changelogs [05:43] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-148.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: link closed [05:43] Action: Delahunt notices not many programs honor CFLAGS environmental variables [05:44] necropresto: mpg123 is the same afaik and its maintained [05:44] in fact i think mpg321 was born cause mpg123 didnt used to be free [05:44] sahk0: hmmmm [05:44] sahk0: so mpg123 is free (now) [05:44] yes [05:45] ok [05:45] i understood [05:45] jescis (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [05:50] seems mpg321 is still maintained but you can find some additional info here: http://www.mpg123.org/ here: http://mpg321.sourceforge.net/ and here: http://mpg321.sourceforge.net/about.html [05:51] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. 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[06:46] How to check if my webcam is working on slack64? [06:47] didier_ (~dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:47] didier_ (~dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:50] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [06:53] deximat (~deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:57] syriusz666 (~ewrwerwer@host20-247-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [06:58] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-210-216.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:59] http://docs.google.com/View?docid=df647f9m_0gb66x9k5 [07:00] dfrank (~dimon@188.134.8.110) joined ##slackware. [07:00] hello All! is there any command-line utility in linux that performs regular-expressions replace and returns result to stdout? for example, i typing "cool_utility -string 'one 1 two 2 three 3' -pattern '/\d/g'", and it returns "one two three" ? [07:01] err, i should also type string to replace. (one more parameter) [07:01] dfrank: i use sed [07:01] dfrank: u can try awk too [07:02] Hello all. [07:03] a stupid question...is it possible to update slack 13.0 x86 current to slack 13.0 x86_64 current ? I think no :) [07:04] necropresto: can sed get source string from command-line parameter instead of file? [07:05] `Dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) left irc: Quit: be back later. [07:06] dfrank: sed gets string from stdin [07:07] echo "string1" | sed 's/1/2/g' [07:07] necropresto: thanks! [07:08] dfrank: welcome [07:09] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-71-174-5-22.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:09] slysyr (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:10] necropresto: long time no see! [07:10] alienBOB: hi!!! [07:10] How's life? [07:11] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.216) joined ##slackware. [07:11] Hot, I presume [07:11] alienBOB: hehe [07:11] We have snow here, so in Sao Paulo it must be the opposite [07:11] alienBOB: floods in sao paulo [07:11] O... in the city? Wow [07:11] yep [07:12] a record [07:12] more than 400mm [07:15] Ephedrax: no [07:18] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:19] Camarade_Tux: confirmed, thx :) [07:19] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-204.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [07:21] necropresto: hm, i got strange effect with using sed for "find" result. i trying by this command find all files in current dir and echo its names withoun extension ".tar" . But sed don't want parse it! extensions still here. there's command: find . -name "??*" -exec echo "$(echo "{}" | sed "s/.tar//g")" \; [07:23] necropresto: and if i type (just for test) this: find . -name "??*" -exec echo "$(echo "testfile.tar" | sed "s/.tar//g")" \; then sed works: i got many "testfile" lines (without extension) [07:24] dfrank: i think {} doesnt work inside a subshell [07:25] find . -name "??*" -exec echo {} | sed 's/.tar//g' \; [07:26] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-184.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [07:27] dfrank: try this instead: find . -name "*.tar" | while read LINE ; do echo $(basename $LINE .tar) ; done [07:29] necropresto: yes, you right: {} doesn't work inside a subshell.. [07:29] alienBOB: thank you, it works :) [07:30] thanks all. Ah, i very wanted to learn find with exec for perform this... ;) [07:35] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-204.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [07:35] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [07:36] nick4 (~fffeop@79.103.47.190.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [07:36] stunix (1000@85.19.183.75) joined ##slackware. [07:38] and one more question: how do i perform non-recursive search by find ? [07:40] already found the solution: -maxdepth 0 :) [07:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [07:41] err: -maxdepth 1 [07:44] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [07:45] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [07:45] jlarrew (~WallRat00@cpe-70-123-139-126.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [07:45] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Client Quit [07:46] deximat (~deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. 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[08:29] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:31] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:31] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Client Quit [08:33] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [08:34] christian (~590f984c@gateway/web/freenode/x-vffvnvpdvatyndxj) joined ##slackware. [08:34] hi [08:35] hi christian [08:36] syriusz666 (~ewrwerwer@host20-247-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:36] hello :-) [08:39] how does slackware create the package kernel-headers? [08:39] is there a slackbuild script available? [08:39] syriusz666 (~ewrwerwer@host20-247-dynamic.211-62-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [08:41] Scuzz (~scuzz@unaffiliated/scuzz) joined ##slackware. [08:41] why do you need that? [08:41] i'm creating my own kernel packages [08:42] i need a new kernel to get my wifi working [08:42] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-046.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [08:42] christian: yes, in the source/ directory on your local ftp mirror [08:43] macavity: no [08:43] There is no kernel-headers SlackBuild [08:43] macavity: i cannot find a slackbuild in this location, i can find slackbuilds for modules, kernel itself and firmware [08:44] oh, sorry.. miss read [08:44] christian: you should not have to upgrade your kernel-headers anyway [08:44] christian: you should not update your kernel headers.. the headers installed should match those that glibc were compiled against [08:44] freelibrary (~notRoot@e176078216.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [08:44] My root partition keeps mounting rw during boot up even though lilo.conf says read-only. I even tried manually booting with rdinit=ro. Any ideas? [08:44] They are connected to the version of glibc which is installed on your computer. Upgrading the kernel does not require an upgrade of the kernel-headers [08:45] i know but i want to know how it is created because i want to be able to create a full set of kernel packages [08:45] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-215-154.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:46] its not a kernel package. its name is misleading [08:46] StonedSlacker: rdinit=ro makes no sense.. i think you are confusing the "rdinit= ro" line from the DVD boot manager [08:46] i created a kernel build script for the five packages and only kernel-headers does not look like slackwares package [08:47] StonedSlacker: a) that space is rather significant, as it unsets the variable rdinit (which in lilo jargon is called initrd), and b) the ro is a seperate argument (read-only in lilo jargon) [08:47] in slackwares package i can find a dir usr/include/asm-x86/, in my package usr/inlude/asm/ [08:47] chopp (1000@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:47] macavity: Yeah that is using the usb boot disk to boot, you know, huge.s root=/all/that rdinit=ro [08:47] no [08:47] i used make headers_install INSTALL_HDR_PATH=$PKG/usr [08:47] rdinit= ro [08:48] not rdinit=ro [08:48] please read it again [08:48] oh [08:48] ahhh.. ding ding :P [08:48] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [08:48] good catch [08:48] Scuzz: i only know because i did that mistake myself :P [08:49] haha [08:49] mount=/dev/palm /face [08:49] I woulda never in a million years guessed that [08:49] if anyone is interested in my current kernel package build script http://pastebin.com/m4a23628b [08:49] StonedSlacker: you think there was a typo in the boot instructions? ;-) [08:50] sure, happens all the time [08:50] christian: not to be an ass, but if you want to "make a full set of kernel packages" you also want to ship a mathcing glibc [08:50] christian: again, the installed kernel headers *must* match what glibc was compiled against [08:51] i know [08:51] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-422170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:51] but glibc was not updated after last kernel updates in slackware-current [08:51] alisonken1home (~alisonken@71.104.224.127) joined ##slackware. [08:51] from 32.2 to 32.3? [08:52] from 32.5 to 32.7 :P [08:52] ok.. i'm behind here [08:52] anyhow, if no headers were altered there would be no need to [08:53] but i would not trust my judgment in this.. only Pat's, and he apparently thinks its safe [08:53] well, thanks macavity. [08:53] nessundorma_ (~mike@78-134-78-144.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [08:53] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-046.carolina.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:54] There are no changes in the kernel headers that warrant a rebuild of glibc [08:55] ok, i would trust Eric's too :P [08:57] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [08:57] ok thank you [08:57] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-84-176.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [08:57] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [08:58] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:31] like this mount /dev/sda7? [09:32] Like look at /etc/fstab and see how the other partitions are mounted, and follow suit with a different mountpoint [09:32] and use "fdisk -l" to make sure of the partition number [09:33] ok, thank you! [09:36] the fstab man page probably has some info you might want to read, type man fstab [09:36] and when you're done reading, press q [09:36] izanagi (~izanagi@189.61.166.241) joined ##slackware. [09:37] nachox: btw the topic is either incomplete , or irssi makes it look that way. it ends in "new official por" [09:37] or it could be some new freenode feature [09:38] i'll delete that part, i seems the topic is too long [09:38] syriusz666 (~ewrwerwer@87.19.158.124) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:38] ##slackware: mode change '+o nachox' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [09:38] Topic changed on ##slackware by nachox!Ignacio@190.51.61.126: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 13.0 Released August 26, 2009 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: pidgin, httpd, php [09:39] syriusz666 (~ewrwerwer@87.19.158.124) joined ##slackware. [09:40] add some smiley [09:40] max topic length is now 390 [09:49] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.216) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:50] anyone has experience with sata hot-unplug? [09:50] Camarade_Tux: me [09:51] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [09:52] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@195.74.225.35.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:52] pupit: anything special to do? went well? [09:53] last night I needed to hookup another sata dvd burner, and it went fine, dmesg output said it was a new device bla bla, burned a cd, and unplugged it [09:53] just unplug it? (it's for a hard drive) no 'eject' first? nothing? [09:54] for a hard drive, I would unmount it first [09:55] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@195.74.225.35.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [09:55] yeah, that, of course ;-) [09:55] :) [09:56] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@195.74.225.35.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [09:58] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@195.74.225.35.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [09:59] and what about sata hot plug (not *un*plug)? still no caveat? that seems too good to be true [10:00] (##slackware) Channel ban on *away!*@* expired. [10:00] ##slackware: mode change '-b *away!*@*' by slackboy!~thongsong@li6-30.members.linode.com [10:01] well I don't know much about kernel, hal, dbus [10:01] hmmm. e17 has a lot of neato features but boy it's got annoying config [10:01] it simply works [10:02] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@195.74.225.35.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [10:02] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:02] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:03] Nick change: mario -> Guest76286 [10:03] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.216) joined ##slackware. [10:03] lewnidas_ (~lewnidas_@195.74.225.35.dsl.dyn.forthnet.gr) left irc: Client Quit [10:03] Camarade_Tux: I always take out the sata cable first when I want to unplug it, and plug it in after the power cable [10:05] gui_ap (~guilherme@187.10.13.45) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [10:08] pupit: ok, thanks [10:08] limac (~chatzilla@ool-45745b2f.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.84 [Firefox 3.5.7/20091221164558] [10:13] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [10:14] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-63-22.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [10:18] izanagi (~izanagi@189.61.166.241) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:20] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.216) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:26] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [10:26] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-46-189.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:28] tsonev (~tsonev@88.203.244.73) joined ##slackware. [10:29] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.90.112) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [10:29] deximat (~deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:29] Nick change: Guest76286 -> freenode_sucks_a [10:30] freenode_sucks_a (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) left irc: Quit: changing servers [10:31] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.216) joined ##slackware. [10:31] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-57-53.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:32] mario (mario@darkstar.slackverse.org) joined ##slackware. [10:33] Nick change: mario -> Guest37539 [10:33] Nick change: Guest37539 -> mario_ [10:35] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [10:36] does libnotify just not work or something [10:38] whys that? [10:38] Lord_Beavis (1000@c-75-64-16-3.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:39] well. if i have an existing pidgin IM window iconified, it changes the icon to tell me i got a new msg. [10:39] but if i have no im windows open and the buddy list is iconified, i get no notification of new msgs at all [10:39] is pidgin linked against it? [10:40] i would assume, libnotify and libnotify-pidgin (or whatever it's called) are both installed [10:40] urso_catatau (~catatau@189.107.86.166) joined ##slackware. [10:40] installed doesnt mean they make use of it.. [10:40] the plugin is enabled. i'm not sure what else needs to be done? [10:41] im not either [10:41] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.124.146) joined ##slackware. [10:41] hrm. [10:42] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-78-144.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by nessundorma_!~mike@78.134.124.146)) [10:42] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [10:42] dangerous behaviour for work, too. *scratches head* [10:44] I have small problem with back from Suspend-To-Ram [10:45] on ThinkPad T21 [10:45] john_dee (~id@95-29-14-148.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [10:45] echo -n "mem" > /sys/power/state [10:45] as I understand it is STR ? [10:48] after back from mem state everything works fine except sound [10:48] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.83.dyn.user.ono.com) joined ##slackware. [10:48] I have to make rmmod and modprobe with alsactl restore each time [10:49] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:49] escaflown (~elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [10:50] escaflown (elom@S0106001c23f8ea20.fm.shawcable.net) left ##slackware. [10:50] Lord_Beavis (1000@c-75-64-16-3.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:53] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@62.133.181.245) joined ##slackware. [10:54] dunix (~dguitar@unaffiliated/dunix) joined ##slackware. [10:54] Old_Spike0 (~Old_Spike@213.37.174.83.dyn.user.ono.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:56] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) joined ##slackware. [10:58] mac-: grep alsactl /etc/rc.d/* see if that daemon is started on reboot [11:02] rizitis (~rizitis@unaffiliated/rizitis) joined ##slackware. [11:05] LSD` (~ianweb@dsl-58-7-6-82.wa.westnet.com.au) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:07] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.106.137) joined ##slackware. [11:11] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.124.146) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:11] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [11:11] akira42 (~tetsuo@dslb-088-073-253-215.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:12] MarderIII (~marderii@enneman.demon.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [11:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-98-116-202-61.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [11:15] Axius (~fd@92.82.76.216) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:17] mirmillo (axius@friedman.ivoltaire.org) joined ##slackware. [11:17] kevin01123 (~kevin@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) joined ##slackware. [11:19] kevin01123 (~kevin@2002:4751:4123:1234:221:6bff:fe01:8106) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:21] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-24-46-189.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:22] I try to delete a file in a ntfs partition as root with rm -rf and I get this error: rm: cannot remove `Muse%20Starlight.mp3': Operation not permitted. What can I do? [11:23] make sure the partition is not mounted RO [11:23] How to see if is mounted ro? [11:24] type mount [11:25] ntfs (rw) [11:26] then make sure you have the ntfs-3g driver and not the read-only one [11:26] vehn_z1 (~vehn_z@62.133.181.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:27] he does [11:27] otherwise it would be ro :P [11:27] krillz (~mos@home.rubicon.cx) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:27] krillz (~mos@home.rubicon.cx) joined ##slackware. [11:27] vehn_z (~vehn_z@62.133.181.245) joined ##slackware. [11:27] mirmillo: according to the manpage you *may* need to run a disk check from within windows :-/ [11:27] v4nelle (~van@79.103.187.101) joined ##slackware. [11:28] I did not have ntfs-3g installed. [11:29] blackorca (~b@174-152-70-80.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:29] borca (~b@174-152-70-80.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [11:30] borca (~b@174-152-70-80.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Client Quit [11:30] I recently acquired a laptop that has an older version of windows on it. I'd like to put slackware on it, obviously, but I can't put ANYTHING on it [11:30] How to mount ntfs partition with ntfs-3g driver? [11:31] the cdrom drive fails to read during boot and in windows, the usb socket doesn't work (with 1.1 and 2.0 compatible thumb drives), it has no rj11 or rj45 [11:32] What should I change in /etc/fstab? [11:32] i'm probably gonna need to upgrade to -current. i'm doing some reading but does anyone have any additional warnings or thoughts? [11:32] krillz (~mos@home.rubicon.cx) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:32] SHarikoFF (~andrew@80.237.124.189) joined ##slackware. [11:32] test [11:33] SHarikoFF (andrew@80.237.124.189) left ##slackware. [11:33] fail ? [11:33] vehn_z (~vehn_z@62.133.181.245) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [11:35] vehn_z (~vehn_z@62.133.181.245) joined ##slackware. [11:36] no floppy drive, no wireless; however, it does have a parallel port and a serial port. I was thinking of connecting a usb dialup modem through the serial port (I own a few of these) to dial out, but hook that modem up to another identical modem RECEIVING calls for a machine that has broadband access and then setting up PPP masquerading to transfer the connection; is this idea sound? [11:37] nessundorma_ (~mike@78.134.105.117) joined ##slackware. [11:37] blackorca: why bother with such obsolete hardware? [11:37] buy a cheap Plll [11:37] thumbs, I got it for free; I have the old modems lying around with nothing to do (trying to think of something to use them for) [11:38] clue-devices [11:38] sinkers [11:38] landfill [11:38] recycle [11:38] thumbs, it's mostly just for the hell of it, although it's running windows 98, and I have some things I'd like to use that for [11:38] blackorca, set up a null modem between the two [11:38] InspectorCluseau: it doesn't actually work that way [11:39] a "null modem" is a direct serial connection [11:39] yes [11:39] using an actual modem makes it a "modem" [11:39] so if I just hooked up serial->serial, it'd work? [11:39] eZz (~ez@195.114.7.5) joined ##slackware. [11:39] oh, he is trying to share internet access? [11:39] blackorca: that would probably be several orders of magnitude simpler [11:40] adaptr, I acquired a laptop with no way to get things onto it, I need internet access [11:40] adaptr, all it has is a parallel port and a serial port [11:40] heh [11:40] and a non-function usb-port [11:40] blackorca: you don't need anything on it to connect a serial port [11:40] functiong* [11:41] adaptr, what? [11:41] Koss (~koss@212.58.185.233) joined ##slackware. [11:41] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.106.137) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:41] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [11:41] blackorca: does the non-internet laptop have an OS on it ? [11:41] confusid (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:41] adaptr, yes, windows 98 [11:42] so hoop up a nullmodem cable between them and configurea new serial interface in windows [11:42] hello [11:42] adaptr, I have parallel->serial cable hooked up to the laptop currently (parallel end hooked into the laptop) [11:43] blackorca: a nullmodem cable is not a regular serial cable [11:43] adaptr, so I have to modify the cable? [11:43] Tx/Rx have to be switched [11:43] there are plenty of schematics online [11:43] adaptr, okay, yeah, that's why I was going to go the modem way :P [11:43] just google for nullmodem schema [11:43] didn't want to have to mess with the wires [11:43] no, the "modem way" is far more fail [11:44] haha [11:44] because I can guarantee you that you DON'T have drivers for them [11:44] the modems? [11:44] and then it stops [11:44] they're hardware modems [11:44] and they need to call something [11:44] what are they going to call ? [11:44] usb modems are usually winmodems [11:45] Koss (koss@212.58.185.233) left ##slackware. [11:45] he doesn't have functional USB, so I'm guessing it isn't [11:45] InspectorCluseau, these modems were purchased for linux machines with the idea in mind that they needed to be hardware modems [11:45] it's a serial modem [11:46] sirslacker (1001@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [11:46] correction, it hooks up through parallel port, and the other end of the cable hooks into a serial port [11:46] blackorca I see what you're trying to achieve. [11:47] thumbs, yeah [11:47] confusid (~confusid@c-98-231-191-231.hsd1.va.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:47] a little complicated though [11:48] you'll have to convince a POTS modem to not call out but bypass normal dialing [11:48] adaptr, any idea how to do this? haha [11:49] I did mention "orders of magnitude" [11:49] get a serial cable, hack it to null, sit back in satisfaction [11:49] haha [11:49] can the same be done with a parallel to serial? [11:50] in theory, sure [11:50] I don't know if I have two-ended serial cable lying around [11:50] just this parallel to serial cable [11:50] adaptr, in theory? or just as easy? haha [11:51] well is what's inside the wire the same? [11:51] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:51] one end of it is a serial cable [11:51] you do the math [11:51] sorry, a little stoned [11:51] ok, good bye [11:53] the par/serial cable probably has the wrong serial connector to connect to the other computer ... [11:53] InspectorCluseau, you think? [11:54] InspectorCluseau, I didn't think it would, but I didn't check to make sure [11:54] InspectorCluseau, no, the end of the cable is male, and the serial port is female [11:54] er, vice versa [11:54] but still [11:55] adaptr, if I made this null modem cable, would I be able to set up PPP masquerading? I would assume so since it goes through PPP all the same, right? [11:55] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:57] mirmillo (axius@friedman.ivoltaire.org) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [11:57] a serial interface acts as a simple PPP link if you make it so [11:57] masquerading is unrelated to PPP [11:58] syriusz666 (~ewrwerwer@87.19.158.124) left irc: [12:04] nessundorma_ (~mike@78-134-71-234.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [12:05] deximat (~deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [12:05] deximat_ (~deximat@cable-188-2-105-115.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. 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[13:31] I think lw0x15 just said he's trying to become a politician [13:31] lol [13:32] Axius (~fd@92.82.88.114) joined ##slackware. [13:32] antiwire: my thoughts excactly. Quick lets stab him now. [13:33] get him! [13:33] Action: andarius gets out his tazer [13:34] =[ [13:35] `Dante` (~dante@72.94.197.230) joined ##slackware. [13:38] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0C865.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:40] IS is not equal to trying to become a politician [13:40] ;p [13:42] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:42] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [13:42] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [13:42] gm152 (~glen@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:42] straterra (~straterra@fuhell.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [13:44] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) joined ##slackware. [13:46] Razec (1000@187-27-213-10.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:47] Greetings Programs! [13:47] salutations user [13:47] nihao [13:48] Weird - BIOS finds the drive, Windows reports it as SCSI (it's PATA) and Slack doesn't see it at all :( [13:48] hey andarius - shat's shakin? [13:48] er what's [13:48] no, no shat [13:48] heh [13:48] nothing else really either. just being a lazy bum on the weekend :) [13:49] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) joined ##slackware. [13:49] I think my lptop drive is shot :( [13:49] think? smart test it ? [13:50] gave me an error on boot yesterday, I popped it into the main machine - windows finds it and reports it as SCIS but won't access it. Slack can't find it at all. :( [13:50] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) joined ##slackware. [13:50] NyteOwl: post us the output of smartctl -a /dev/XXX [13:50] try a different liveCD, like systemrescueCD [13:51] antiwire: I don't have a device name for it - slack doesn't seem to even see the damn thing [13:52] Has Slackware ever detected that disk previously? [13:52] it should be hda but it's not [13:52] toastytoast (~toast@cpe-74-75-198-155.maine.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:53] antiwire: the versionn that's on it did when I'd boot it in the laptop. It won't boot that's whynb I popped it into this machine [13:53] is it -curent or 13 where all drives show as sd? ? [13:53] NyteOwl: Ok, so the disk previously worked fine with Slackware? [13:54] andarius: -current [13:54] or with a custom kernel [13:55] antiwire: yes. It was my laptop drive. dual boot XP and slackware [13:55] andarius: this machine still has 12.1, but I even tried the next "sd" in order and nothing [13:56] if you arew looking for the disk then "fdisk -l" rather than trying several devices is faster [13:56] andarius: yup - tried that, as I said it seems to be invisible heh [13:57] yet windows can see it? [13:57] gm152 (~gm@d72-39-221-222.home1.cgocable.net) joined ##slackware. [13:57] sounds like the controller on the disk is toasted [13:58] andarius: device manager sees it but reports it as SCSI - go figure [13:58] well, if the drive management tool cant do anything with it then it is semi-safe to say its toast [13:59] assuming the jumper is set propperly [13:59] NyteOwl: Have you recently made any BIOS changes? Specifically, a change to the ATA mode? AHCI mode maybe? [13:59] bbl [13:59] andarius: I'd pretty much come to that comc;lusion - just thought I'd see if anyone might know why the BIOS and Windows can see it but Slackware doesn't even pick up it's presence. That's weird [14:00] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things. George Carlin [14:00] antiwire: nope. it was fine the evening before. turned on the laptop yesterday and nada [14:00] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12 [14:01] Sounds like the classic bumped laptop dying a couple weeks later. [14:01] hes gone :o [14:01] been there, done that. had backups. [14:01] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:01] oops [14:02] psYcker (~psy@201.156.108.196) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [14:02] sorry about that [14:02] NyteOwl: I was saying, sounds like the classic bumped laptop dying a couple weeks later. [14:03] Can you remember any possible moment when the laptop may have been bumped or jarred? If not, you could just have a plain old disk failure happening. [14:04] possible I suppose. It's an older one I just use for a bit of web surfing and suck in the living room [14:04] What is the model number of the disk in question? [14:06] according to the label Toshiba MK 4025GAS [14:06] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Quit: Don't look back, the lemmings are gaining on you. [14:07] dive (~diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [14:07] my money is on an unscheduled disk failure [14:07] lol [14:07] now see, had you scheduled this disk failure it would all be ok :o [14:07] LOL [14:08] Maybe I did - I backed it up last week and have only been web surfing since so I didn't really lose any data [14:08] maybe a half dozen bookmarks [14:09] I need more RAM for my pseudo-home server. I have a 75GB disk image mounted right now and I'm copying 4GB of data out of the mounted disk image. poor thing is hurting [14:09] NyteOwl: you don't use xmarks? [14:10] antiwire: how much ram does it have now ? [14:10] pupit no [14:11] NyteOwl: it has an addon for firefox to sync bookmarks with the server [14:11] barely half a gig. I say barely because it also shares 8MB of system ram for the crappy Intel 965 chipset too. [14:11] OldGringo (~amigo@p54B0C865.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: Client Exiting [14:12] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:12] The lame part is that it takes normal DDR ram which is more expensive than DDR2 right now. [14:13] antiwire: adding memory won't make the hard drive copy it one second faster [14:14] antiwire: i tried that new flash version... then realized it's only for 32bit.. :/ [14:14] adaptr: When you know what the system is actually doing right now you'd know that more memory right now would help. [14:14] off to try something - back it a bit [14:14] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:14] antiwire: s/new/beta/ [14:14] antiwire: reardless of how much memory you have, adding more memory will NOT make the copy go a single second faster [14:14] adaptr: Again, you don't even know what the system is doing. [14:14] antiwire: I don't need to know [14:15] It is saturated right now. [14:15] Avalloc (~a@port-93418.pppoe.wtnet.de) left irc: Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Nine out of ten l33t h4x0rz prefer it [14:15] memory can increase copy speeds depending on how the server is being effected by what's being copied. [14:15] agentc0re: wrong. [14:15] KB1JWQ (~KB1JWQ@freenode/staff/kb1jwq) joined ##slackware. [14:16] Action: agentc0re facepalm [14:16] the only *conceivable* way that memory would have any impact is if the system were already starved for disk accesses because of low memory, and has to swap out running processes, or re-read too often [14:16] none of which he mentioned were the case, so I dismiss them [14:16] copying data takes zero memory [14:16] Like I said, you don't know anything about my system. [14:17] I'm looking at the vm stats myself. I see where the issues is. [14:17] antiwire: then don't ask questions that NEED knowledge of the system to answer [14:17] I didn't ask a question... [14:17] "vm stats" being a key point I would think [14:17] wtf are you talking about [14:17] true [14:17] calm down [14:17] and behave [14:17] adaptr: I didn't ask anyone for help and I didn't ask a question. [14:17] ... [14:18] antiwire: you were, however, strongly implying that you knew something i did not based solely on the data you provided [14:18] I simply explained that that is not the case [14:18] Actually you are the one making guesses. [14:19] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:19] nachox_ (Ignacio@190.51.61.126) left ##slackware. [14:20] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.61.126) joined ##slackware. [14:20] alright guys? [14:20] The|Back| (~backdoor@41.18.229.151) left irc: [14:20] ? [14:21] Action: andarius has a booboo on his toe :( [14:21] Action: pupit know your enemy -ratm [14:21] Action: adaptr threatens to kiss it [14:21] lol [14:21] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:21] Action: andarius hops away [14:21] Action: adaptr tackles [14:22] Action: andarius tazes :o [14:22] amazing. I don't even boot into X, and linux uses only 54 MB of RAM. [14:22] "only" ? 10 years ago you'd have been horrified [14:22] I know. [14:23] adaptr: The key to my situation, like I described, is that I am working with large, mounted disk images on a system with minimal amounts of ram. The system is also dealing with a Linux software RAID. If you want to see one side of the impact that mounting such a large disk creates you can look at this: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/nNC9nX10.html [14:24] oh, softraid. yes, urgh [14:24] So, while the memory might not directly affect the cp, the lack of free system memory will definitely impact overall performance of the system [14:24] if the buffer gets depleted by apps, softraid will crawl to a stop. an utter and complete stop [14:25] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [14:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-35-123.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. 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[14:36] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [14:37] Is the frigg bot owned by freenode? [14:37] probably [14:37] ~eir@freenode/utility-bot/frigg [14:38] I noticed to day wen I logon it sends "BIE ME" and does a CTCP VERSION [14:38] rather rude imho [14:38] :P [14:40] The-spiki (~spiki@77-105-33-215.dialup.sezampro.yu) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [14:40] I simply set an appropriate echo :) [14:41] Windows doesn't see that drive at all now. but here is a strange one: [14:42] I hooked up a spare 100GN PATA I had to do a backup to, windows sees it and reports it as scsi as well (Maxtor 6L100P0 PATA/133) and Slack can't find it either! [14:42] it's abrand new drive! [14:42] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [14:42] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: Changing server [14:42] a 100GB PATA drive brand new ?!? [14:43] NyteOwl: How are you connecting the disks? [14:43] antiwire to the contoller of course :p [14:43] Well I don't know how "of course" it is, you could be using a USB or firewire adapter [14:43] stanared IDE ribbon cable - nothing esoteric [14:43] alkos333 (~alkos333@70-8-35-123.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [14:44] the cable is also brand new [14:45] c4-lmmx (~C4-lmmX@unaffiliated/C4-lmmX) joined ##slackware. [14:46] fdisk -l doesn't show it at all but shows the SATA drives and the RAID volume fine [14:46] what does dmesg show? [14:46] Axius (~fd@92.82.88.114) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [14:47] nothing for IDE0 or 1 other than probing the interface. It picks up the 4 SATA drivess ok - no sign of the IDE [14:47] if windows reports it as SCSI that means it is probably using some sort of BIOS translation [14:47] disable that [14:47] I suggested checking the BIOS settings already. My suggestion was shutdown. [14:48] oh a reading disability [14:48] BIOS is set properly [14:48] NyteOwl: quit the arrogance and go check what exactly is set in the BIOS [14:48] or report what dmesg has to say [14:48] adaptr: EXCUSE ME? [14:48] hard data, we need it [14:48] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.81.227) joined ##slackware. [14:49] NyteOwl: Do you have another system you can use to connect the question disk to? [14:49] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) joined ##slackware. [14:49] AlexElliott__ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:50] AlexElliott_ (~alex@94-195-251-249.zone9.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [14:51] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:54] awned (~awned@adsl-177-101-158.gsp.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] does anyone know if there is a way to manage bandwidth quota (eg putting a 512MB bandwidth usage cap on a user) on a per user basis? 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[16:50] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Quit: byez [16:55] 211exit [16:55] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [16:55] gades (~gades@unaffiliated/gades) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [16:58] kingbeowulf (~kingbeowu@c-67-189-121-47.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: Landru! Guide us! [16:58] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) joined ##slackware. [16:58] doomey (~doomey@188.24.77.78) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [17:00] Why is it that heavy disk access will slow down my comptuer more than a cpu-heavy process? [17:01] because the disk access is saturating the system's buss and also using the main CPU [17:02] mohaa (~nome@92.49.74.80) joined ##slackware. [17:03] alkos333 (~alkos333@75.57.142.253) joined ##slackware. [17:04] hmm [17:04] byteframe: because disk is usually the first resource that's exhausted. it's the slowest, after all [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host86-175-233-240.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:05] gigescu (~gigescu@82.76.242.27) joined ##slackware. [17:06] gigescu (~gigescu@82.76.242.27) left irc: Client Quit [17:07] http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9486/dsc02060v.jpg [17:11] sopas (~souphead@120.28.169.81) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:11] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) joined ##slackware. [17:13] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [17:14] croto (~dd@2001:470:1f07:744:290:4bff:fe49:6bc5) joined ##slackware. [17:14] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] ckt1g3r (~ckt1g3r@bl4-131-83.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:16] hello. I have a little question about network configuration in slackware. What do you guys think is the best way to configure dhcp ipv4 + static ipv6 in slackware? [17:16] it looks like rc.inet1.conf is not the best place... [17:17] I'm considering to use rc.inet1.conf to set the ipv4 dhcp, and create a new rc script to set up the static ipv6 [17:17] any beter idea? [17:17] That's what I would do [17:17] you can use rc.local and rc.local_shutdown [17:18] if you need to make the ipv6 setup happen earlier, you may need to modify the stock networking scripts though [17:18] i see.... yep that's what I thought, but didn't know if i was missing something basic [17:19] actually no, rc.local would be just fine [17:19] or hack in the callers in rc.M or rc.S depending on how early you need it [17:19] echo? [17:19] caroline? [17:19] confus? [17:19] waffle !!! [17:19] :D [17:20] the ending was fairly good, given that he had to cut it short by about 3 seasons [17:20] andarius: one day i will simply have to conjur up the need for "the waffle protocol" and make a kernel driver for it :P [17:21] yeah adaptr, it was a good episode [17:21] I would have liked the show to go on those extra 3 season though [17:21] TheTrash (~rtrsh@82-169-3-152.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:21] hrrrm. unfortunate. the alien slackbuild for vlc seems to be disliking fetching the needed things [17:21] I have to admit th eentire second season felt rushed, probably because he already knew it was cancelled before it was halfway done [17:21] militant: how so [17:21] but the first season, plus the two intermits, were great [17:22] and eliza is so hot :P [17:22] militant: specific components? [17:22] croto: absolutely. while not great on endings, he has shown with both B and A that he can easily fill 5 seasons with awesome [17:22] oh hello. i dunno. it just keeps hanging on the downloads, sitting forever. gave me some timeouts before, re-running it it just sits there forever. [17:23] croto: she seriously grew on me here. that gal is made of awesome [17:23] militant: you're sure it is not downloading in the meantime? Open another terminal, look at the directory contents? [17:23] Downloading 'libmatroska-0.8.1.tar.bz2' failed.. aborting the build. [17:23] has done that on each of the components multiple times [17:23] hehehe, yes she is [17:23] now that dollhouse is over, I will have to wait for dexter [17:24] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@168-103-56-66.dlth.qwest.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:24] tough life :P [17:24] my housekeeper has been watching all 4 seaosns of dexter on repeat for months now [17:24] even her final realisation about - whatsisface, Helo :) - was believable [17:24] hahahaha [17:25] he's not much better here as in BSG though - somebody should tell him the square jaw thing gets stale [17:25] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [17:25] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@c114-76-235-20.farfl3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Changing host [17:25] PeanutHorst (~peanutlx@sxemacs/gentoo-liaison/PeanutHorst) joined ##slackware. [17:25] especially if that's all he has to offer [17:25] yeah that's true (paul is his name) [17:25] hah yes thanks [17:25] :) [17:25] allright, i'll go hacke my network config files then [17:26] alienBOB: multiple archives have a 0 size [17:26] militant: running the SlackBuild as root? [17:26] thank you guys for your opinions! [17:26] I was pleasantly surprised to see Star*uck on 24, but so far she's a whiny little itch [17:27] alkos333 (~alkos333@75.57.142.253) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [17:27] yessir [17:27] militant: some download sites may be unavailable at times. I am testing the download, at the moment libebml is the first of the set that refuses to download [17:27] yeah that was the first one i got a problem with [17:27] That is why I also have the source tarballs available in my repository... [17:28] oh, for everything? [17:28] I know for certain that schroedinger will not be downloaded. That site has been down for months [17:28] militant: of course, for everything! [17:28] sweet. sorry for my ineptitude, i'm still learning this whole way of doing things [17:29] we'll beat it out of you, don't worry. [17:29] haha works for me [17:29] militant: no need to apologise =) [17:29] Indeed [17:30] hiya alienBOB =) [17:30] Hey big blue [17:31] liking your latest kde4 build... running nicely [17:31] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [17:32] phrag: thanks. The RC3 tarballs are up since an hour... but it is too soon, I'll wait for the actual 4.4 next week [17:32] sweet! [17:32] The RC3 is more a test to make sure the release team don't fuck up the way they did for RC2 [17:33] alienBOB: awesome, can't wait! =) [17:33] Hehe [17:33] appreciate the builds [17:33] i can't handle kde, not sure why. but i'ms ure looking forward to vlc [17:33] mayday_jay (~mayday_ja@control-console.com) joined ##slackware. [17:34] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:34] militant: which are you running atm ? [17:34] e17. [17:34] vlc version i mean [17:34] militant: you could of course just install my pre-compiled package... [17:35] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:35] oh. the latest i guess. whatever his build calls for [17:35] alienBOB: hey, I used that schroedinger-1.0.8 tarball that you have posted. Was that an SVN pull you created or was 1.0.8 actually posted somewhere, at sometime? [17:35] alienBOB: of kde? [17:35] militant: vlc-20100111-x86_64-1alien is nice... big leap from stable [17:35] i mean as in the stable release version [17:35] That 1.0.8 was posted on diracvideo.org but then they reorganized the site and the downloads have been inaccessible ever since [17:35] militant: of VLC [17:35] it's running stable on -current [17:36] alienBOB: oh. that's true. we'll see how this attempt goes, and if that fails, i'll do that [17:36] phrag: yes the VLC 1.1 git build is nice, but at least 1.0.5 is stable [17:37] i wonder, has anyone managed to run Iron ? [17:37] CcSsNET (~user@c-71-232-198-164.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [17:37] person (~ed@92.22.170.8) joined ##slackware. [17:37] You can "trust" my binary packages usually... most packages of slackware64 were compiled on my desktop computer when it was released. Nobody complained about those at the time ;-) [17:37] phrag: what is Iron [17:37] srware's Iron that is [17:37] alienBOB: http://diracvideo.org/download/schroedinger/schroedinger-1.0.8.tar.gz seems to work. [17:37] chromium build, with google tracking code removed [17:38] nix_chix0r (~hellokitt@97-127-220-161.dlth.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [17:38] http://www.srware.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=18 [17:38] XGizzmo: hrm. Are they back? [17:38] looks like it [17:38] XGizzmo: hey, been awhile =) [17:39] ello mate [17:40] alienBOB: thx for the work you put in, btw. rarely do i get to thank anyone who had anything to do with the stuff i run [17:40] militant: thanks [17:41] Zosma (jorrit@goudrenet.student.utwente.nl) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:42] i'd be very interested in getting Iron running, run into some problems with lib versioning, i'm not running multilib at moment, but it's 64bit binary so didnt think it should need [17:42] InspectorCluseau (~Inspector@69.18.80.14) left irc: Quit: InspectorCluseau [17:42] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:42] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] alienBOB: actually, meant to ask.. is it wise to go multilib with -current, as i get a little confused how to maintain multilib -current safely [17:44] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:44] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [17:45] in fact know i've just removed the wrong package... '/usr/bin/tput: No such file or directory' [17:45] nessundorma_ (~mike@78-134-69-189.dynamic.eolo.it) joined ##slackware. [17:45] =/ [17:45] phrag: the only thing that can go wrong with a faulty upgrade of a multilib system is that you lose the capability to run 32-bit software... you'll end up with a "normal" Slackware64 [17:46] Making your system multilib "only" requires that you replace your original gcc and glibc with multilib versions [17:46] The rest is add-ons (the *-compat32 stuff) and those form their own isolated subsystem [17:47] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:47] gcc-4.4.3-x86_64-1 glib-1.2.10-x86_64-3 glibc-2.11.1-x86_64-1 [17:48] phrag: glib does not have anything to do with it [17:48] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) joined ##slackware. [17:48] But, there are more gcc packages, and more glibc packages too [17:48] Just read my Wiki article... [17:48] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [17:48] jonsmith1982 (~jon@cpc2-donc1-0-0-cust57.barn.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:49] alienBOB: thanks, know what the tput error could be about? [17:49] nessundorma (~mike@78-134-71-234.dynamic.eolo.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:49] Nick change: nessundorma_ -> nessundorma [17:49] /usr/libexec/slackpkg/core-functions.sh: line 47: /usr/bin/tput: No such file [17:50] rg3 (~deckard@cm-85-152-206-242.telecable.es) left irc: Client Quit [17:50] gaz (~gaz@cpc1-runc1-0-0-cust61.bagu.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [17:51] phrag: tput is in the ncurses package [17:51] thankyou, looks like i have 2 conflicting pkgs =) [17:52] put them in the same dir so they can talk about their problems [17:52] alienBOB: just for practice and stuff, i'm just fetching the missing/unreachable stuff from your repo and tossing it in the dir. thanks again! [17:53] and hash it out? =P [17:54] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-170-157.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [17:55] hey, Does anyone know what I need to do to allow periods to be used when passing parameters in a shell script? For example, in this paste I'd like to be able to pass "13.0" to the script instead of 130 http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/Ujg9qh23.html [17:55] sahk0 (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:56] antiwire: escape with \. [17:57] Does it need to be quoted after that? [17:57] passing comment, not sure without testing on a shell.. have a play [17:58] I'll mess with it, thanks [17:58] Nick change: Tabmow -> evilTabmow [17:58] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [17:58] cool, vlc is compiling now. issue probably solved [18:00] aw, did no ne else like my hash it out joke? it tickeled me heh [18:01] i did an slackbuid for unixODBC and mysql-odbc-connector, but im too lazy to fix the code and send to slackbuilds.org, anyone need this stuff? 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[18:26] militant: read through his script, it's wild [18:26] NyteOwl: yeah [18:26] rworkman: ping [18:27] yeah pretty complicated. checks for things, fetches if need be, does all the hard work. i can't imagine trying to sort it all out thru sbopkg (and it's not there anyway) [18:27] No, it is too complex ever to land on SBo [18:27] or alienBOB will work as well [18:27] antiwire: after some digging it seems ther is a problenm with Slack (and other distros) and the Marvell IDE controller. I guess I'm basically out of luck using this box to backup from or to PATA [18:28] NyteOwl: sounds messy [18:28] You can write a vlc.SlackBuild that works with all dependencies already installed, but several libs need additional patches too [18:28] alienBOB: mind a quick PM? [18:28] Sure [18:28] antiwire: the laptop drive is toast though. [18:28] blackorca (~b@174-152-70-80.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [18:29] macavity (~macavity@212088073004.static.sonofon.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [18:29] antiwire: this Marvell problem really sucks though. That means all I can use is SATA without getting a pklug in controlelr [18:29] NyteOwl: So what we/you were seeing was a couple of different issues compounding our diagnosis? [18:29] Dominian: sure as in "i don't mind" of course [18:29] alienBOB: hehe [18:29] I know what you mean :) [18:30] alienBOB: ever? or will SBo be a lot more robust eventually? i have no idea really how it all works [18:30] antiwire: yup: the laptop drive was dead. the other IDE drive was OK but Linux can't work with the controller on the motherboard. AEven Windows gets quirky with the Marvell Driver [18:30] macavity (~macavity@212088073001.static.sonofon.dk) joined ##slackware. [18:30] epoch (~epoch@p3m/member/epoch) joined ##slackware. [18:31] agentc0re: hey, i cant join ##slackware-offtopic without an invite? [18:31] fire|bird: ping? [18:31] eviljames: ping? [18:31] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:32] joma (~j0n@cpc2-glen3-0-0-cust625.belf.cable.ntl.com) joined ##slackware. [18:33] militant: building VLC is too complex for what slackbuilds.org is targeting [18:33] macavity: get it? [18:33] macavity: pong [18:33] ahh, okie. [18:34] macavity: it showed that you quit with a ping timeout. [18:34] sec [18:34] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [18:34] ##slackware: mode change '-q $~a' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [18:34] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by alienBOB!~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB [18:34] I thought the offtopic channel was an open channel? [18:34] antiwire: it is.. why wouldn't it be? [18:34] It's invite only? [18:35] offtopic is old news my friend [18:35] antiwire: no, something got messed up. [18:35] #not-math is the new offtopic [18:35] jescis_ (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [18:35] joma (~j0n@cpc2-glen3-0-0-cust625.belf.cable.ntl.com) left irc: Client Quit [18:35] jescis (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:36] macavity: try again, sorry. [18:36] what audio player do you use in slackware? [18:36] btw, the recent dhcpcd update in -current, awesome [18:36] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [18:36] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:36] when did offtopic become invite only? [18:36] offtopic channel fixed [18:37] blame fire|bird [18:37] lol [18:37] NyteOwl: It isn't, +i accidently got set, thanks to me. :( [18:37] lol [18:37] awned (awned@adsl-177-101-158.gsp.bellsouth.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [18:37] mel0n: I use vlc or audacious to play my audio [18:38] can audacious do full screen? [18:38] But I must say (just tested) that vlc produces better sound than audacious. Don't ask me how that comes [18:38] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [18:39] Ermm... "fullscreen" for an audio player mel0n? [18:39] I can find lots of hits with people having trouble with the marvell controllers but no technical discussions about why they aren't supported :( [18:39] k ill use vlc [18:39] I can see the music! [18:39] :D [18:39] Heh [18:39] init[1] (buffer@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net [18:39] can you hear the light show? [18:40] VLC has a few neat visual effects for audio. I disabled most of them in my build because they were crash-prone [18:40] Alt_of_Ctrl (~Inacio@a85-139-225-144.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [18:40] init[1] (buffer@support.team.at.shellium.org) joined ##slackware. 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[19:00] tod (~tod@74.113.242.6) joined ##slackware. [19:00] I've a new 13.0 install and am missing /etc/rc.d/rc.nfsd [19:00] Why? [19:00] NyteOwl, the reviews on the samsungs are usually pretty good; but they haven't been around long enough [19:01] What needs installing? or...? [19:01] shonudo: yes, and I've never been a big WD fan but my options are somewhat limited :) [19:01] tod, isn't that the controller for the NFS filesystem? [19:02] hello, any ideas how to tell sox to use alsa dmix, so it can't keep busy audio device? [19:02] tod: nfs-utils [19:02] shonudo: Yes, I suppose so... [19:02] ^^ see what alienBOB just posted, tod [19:02] nfs-utils is in /var/log/packages so... [19:02] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:02] Then you fucked up [19:02] alienBOB: How so? [19:03] No idea. Full install? [19:03] Yes full install [19:03] NyteOwl, i just picked up a WD sata (black... geeze, the names they come up with for their lines) and so far so good [19:03] been running if for about 3 months [19:03] no problems [19:03] You should have an /etc/rc.r/rc.nfsd then [19:03] shonudo: There are millioens of happy WD customers and their drives seem reliable but my experience with them in the past has not been good [19:04] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Sto andando via [19:04] NyteOwl, i think it's hit and miss [19:04] i used to like the Maxtor drives; most people i talked to hated them [19:05] can someone help me with xmonad? [19:05] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:05] I hate to break it to you but unless there is some outstanding manufacturer defect, all disks from all manufacturers fails in a normal distribution shape. [19:05] shonudo: I've only ever lost one Maxtor drive, and old 1.6GB. They replaced it under warranty with a refurbished 4.3 which is still going :) [19:06] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) joined ##slackware. [19:06] PenPerkInc (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [19:06] antiwire: true enough - for WD in the past I seemed to be at a tail in the distribution curve:p [19:06] lol; but i think antiwire is right: they're built to specs to deliver x-x [19:06] omg. the vlc build failed. after all that. i'm terrified to run it again [19:06] and with a small failure rate [19:06] which they cover under warranty [19:07] most of my drive failures have been with old but very reliable drives during a reinstall or transfer to another box [19:07] That reminds me I should check the warranty on this Toshiba ... [19:07] Shuren (~Devilman@host200-237-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:08] Not sure what's going on but it's there now... [19:08] Just started it... [19:08] militant: the error message would be interesting to learn about... [19:09] it's working now... not sure what's going on but never mind... thanks anyway. [19:09] http://pastebin.com/m242d972e [19:10] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:11] How do I tell cups to share the printer? [19:11] PenPerk (~carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:11] why is cups easier to use than windows printing [19:11] Oh wait... I found it. [19:14] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:15] alienBOB: i'm sure fixing it is as easy as doing the library, but ... wow. that build was painful. is there a way to pick up where it left off or at least avoid the majority of the earlier parts? [19:16] militant: don't delete the build directory [19:16] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat [19:16] [04:03pm] NyteOwl, i just picked up a WD sata (black... geeze, the names they come up with for their lines) and so far so good [19:16] ZMR (~zmonge@201.206.18.30) joined ##slackware. [19:17] XGizzmo: just leave things as they are, install the missing lib, and run the slackbuild again? [19:17] what you want it to be like the cell phone industry? [19:17] western digital enV2 [19:17] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@188.140.19.50) joined ##slackware. [19:17] maxtor moment by samsung? [19:17] lol; the whole "black line" just sounds pretentious... [19:17] like an armani suit [19:17] the build should have installed that lib [19:17] "ooooooooo, black line!" [19:18] it's better than the cell phone industry.. and i cant believe you said you like maxtors! [19:18] lmfao [19:18] jeev, anything you DO like about what i've said? [19:18] i mean, i don't say much [19:18] XGizzmo: unfortunately it didn't. so what's my next move, to install that lib myself, and then rerun things? the compile was endless and made my machine nearly unusable [19:18] I have one of the WD Black disks [19:18] by far the most failures i've ever had to deal with are maxtors.. and segates started pissing me off with their 1.5tb failures [19:18] Chameleon (Chameleon@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] so this is sort of like an 80% thumbs down thing [19:18] hello all [19:19] WD3200BEKT [19:19] Pig_Pen (~anyuser@96.18.40.255) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [19:19] how is your slack today? [19:19] great [19:19] don't forget the 1T failures as well [19:20] jeev, i've always had higher failure rates with whatever was the big drive of the day [19:20] is "The Man" around? [19:20] yea alisonken1home, seagate got lame [19:21] shonudo, maxtor sucks :D [19:21] jeev: ther's how it's different for everyone. In all the years I've been using PC's I've only ever had one out of countless Seagates fail [19:21] they're the ones that purchased maxtor; and they started using maxtor's perpendicular data thingy [19:21] never had a seagate fail me. [19:21] my highest failure rates were with WD [19:21] NyteOwl: same here, after craptor. [19:21] NyteOwl, my brothers seagate failed.. but the 1.5tb's that i have (6), 4 of them were "failing" [19:22] geeze [19:22] im starting to put more confidence into wd black [19:22] I have yet to have one craptor that didn't fail me. [19:22] the worst were those shitty glass palttered IBM disatsers [19:22] they are all glass/ceramic now [19:22] 2 of the seagates are in my storage box at the datacenter and they already have >30 reallocated sectors and maxtor doesn't care [19:22] ah, the old IBMs... deskstar? [19:22] i mean seagate [19:22] Their nickname was the deathstar :P [19:22] i forgot what the name of the old IBMs were [19:22] lol@straterra [19:23] alienBOB: did you see my pastebin link for what went wrong? [19:23] I have the spindle cap of a DeathStar on my keychain [19:23] jeev I have a Seagate that is 23 years old, still in use and ahs never had a problem :) [19:23] Motoko-chan (~maoyama@pool-173-51-68-43.lsanca.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] i know the story behind the IBM travesty, their cleaning crew (straterra) was picking a rock out of his nose and wasn't paying attention to the dust levels.. [19:23] slakmagik (~j@adsl-162-149-240.rmo.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:23] slakmagik (~j@adsl-162-149-240.rmo.bellsouth.net) left irc: Changing host [19:23] slakmagik (~j@unaffiliated/slakmagik) joined ##slackware. [19:23] NyteOwl, sick [19:24] militant: you seem to be missing libdc1394 - probably because it failed to build [19:24] jeev: in fairness, it is an exceptional drive in many ways it was one of the last drive made by CDC and rebranded Seagate just after they were acquired by Seagate [19:24] I never said building my VLC package was easy ;-) [19:24] well i need to start prepping my new slack server, moving my most important fbsd server to slack. [19:24] yes, i caught that. wasn't sure if libdc1394 was something that was built as part of your slackbuild or separately [19:24] CDC were platinum quality drives [19:25] militant: it is part of the build, yes [19:25] i dont remember *CDC* except the letter they sent to me at home saying i have high levels of methane [19:25] Did you download everything from my site, including all patches/diffs? [19:25] It's a tiny drive now but then 80MG SCSI in an XT was HUGE [19:25] militant: Try running it again but pass --oldbuild [19:25] i told them it's out of their jurisdiction [19:25] and NUMJOBS=3 [19:25] 80 milligram? :P [19:25] jeev: CDC = Control Data Corporation (don't exist anymore) [19:26] straterra: :p MB [19:26] alienBOB: not the patches and diffs, and only the archives that didn't download properly from your slackbuild itself. i didn't know i needed the rest. [19:26] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:26] militant: ........ [19:27] Why would it be there along with the SlackBuild other than to use it :-) [19:27] alienBOB: apologies. i'm pretty new to this. last time i ran slackware was 7.1 and all i ever did was download fresh source and manually do everything [19:27] Anyway, I am off to bed. [19:27] militant: a SlackBuild is also building from source... [19:27] ok. i'll just install your precompile. thanks for it :) [19:27] You just don't have to type all the commands [19:28] how is the online Doc for slackbuild ? [19:29] paissad_ (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:29] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] Chameleon: how? What? [19:29] nessundorma (~mike@78.134.96.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:29] Chameleon: http://slackbuilds.org/faq/ [19:29] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [19:29] grazymax (~grazymax@host61-132-dynamic.13-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [19:29] thumbs, is it as good as gentoo's hand book ? [19:30] Chameleon: read the link [19:30] thumbs, thank you [19:33] macius (~macius@i209-195-79-5.cia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:35] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-110-170-157.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:35] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [19:40] fortune: "Oral sex is like being attacked by a giant snail" [19:40] ...!? [19:40] O.o [19:40] Man, I need to start growing snails [19:40] lol [19:40] <3 netradiant!!! [19:41] then you could finally feel how it is eviljames! [19:41] macius (~macius@i209-195-79-5.cia.com) joined ##slackware. [19:42] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: terminal change in progress [19:43] slackwarebob (~bobby@user-0cetr70.cable.mindspring.com) joined ##slackware. [19:43] jeev: well, I could feel something other than your mom, anyhow. [19:43] Hello People. [19:44] eviljames, wack [19:44] mom jokes have been deprecated [19:44] you win this round. [19:44] Your mom has been deprecated too, but that hasn't stopped anything. [19:45] wack [19:45] what were those kids in the 90s that killed that word? [19:45] rappers with backwards pants [19:45] anyone have a WD CaviarŪ Black 1TB 3,5", SATA drive working in slackware ? [19:45] kriss kross [19:45] dunno [19:45] grazymax (~grazymax@host72-153-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [19:45] in the 90's, i was busy being a child.. to some of you here, i'm still continuing that tradition [19:45] snL20: what isn't working about the your drive? It's just an SATA disk. [19:46] the mac dad will make ya JUMP JUMP~! [19:46] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:46] about the/about your [19:46] corretico_ (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) joined ##slackware. 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[19:48] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:48] snl20: paint it blue and it will work :p [19:48] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:49] dchmelik (~d@dynamic-216-227-6-29.ellensburg.fairpoint.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [19:49] <^silence^> NyteOwl: eh ? it doesnt work ? I was thinking of getting one :P [19:49] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:49] thumbs, that page didnt help me on what i want [19:49] corretico (~laguilar@201.201.46.106) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [19:49] snL20 (~irssi@149-160-214.oke1-bras9.adsl.tele2.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:49] Nick change: ^silence^ -> snL20 [19:50] Chameleon: you want a handbook dedicated to slackbuilds? [19:50] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [19:50] Chameleon: then ask a precise question. [19:50] retsudo, no just a handbook for installing and building a system low fat [19:51] danklesman (~dankles@adsl-074-166-063-180.sip.asm.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] tod (~tod@74.113.242.6) left irc: Quit: leaving [19:51] Reticenti (~reticenti@unaffiliated/reticenti) joined ##slackware. [19:51] Chameleon: define "low fat" [19:51] Rint__ (john@static-71-244-60-125.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:51] thumbs: a short legged hog [19:52] thumbs, just things i want to be installed [19:52] Chameleon: what? [19:52] a handbook cannot possibly know what only you want installed [19:52] thumbs, o i mean when iam building the system [19:53] Chameleon: you need ap/ for sure. [19:53] just a handbook like the one gentoo has [19:53] thumbs, ap/ [19:53] Chameleon: slackware doesn't hold your hands, do that 'handbook' doesn't exist. [19:53] Chameleon: yes, ap/ [19:53] LnxSlck (~LnxSlck@188.140.19.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:53] Chameleon: http://www.slackbook.org/ [19:54] thumbs, so your saying gentoo holds your hand? [19:54] http://www.slackbasics.org/ [19:54] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds [19:54] Chameleon: if you need a handbook to tell you what packages you need, yes, that's called hand holding. [19:54] This had flame war written all over from the beginning. I saw this coming from miles away. [19:55] antiwire: you're probably right. [19:55] thumbs, no not what pkg i need just how to do it all from stratch [19:55] ? [19:55] macius (~macius@i209-195-79-5.cia.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:56] Chameleon: google "linux from scratch" [19:56] Chameleon: Comparing how Gentoo does its install process and how the Slackware install process is done are two completely different methods. [19:56] There is no "building" during a Slackware install. [19:56] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: shonudo [19:57] no flame war just asking questions [19:57] stupid questions, yes. [19:57] meh i think he just confused slackbuild for some sort of "ports" system. [19:58] retsudo: well the FAQ tells him exactly what it is. [19:58] indeed [19:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) joined ##slackware. [19:58] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-223-212.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [19:58] kslen (~idkfa@static229-147.adsl.no) joined ##slackware. [19:58] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-223-212.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [19:58] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [19:59] ok so then your saying when i go to install it is all streight forward but it installs everything or cant you pick what you want to install [19:59] Chameleon: What are you actually trying to accomplish right now? If you are looking for a Slackware manual or initial setup guide you can read http://www.slackbook.org/ or http://www.slackbasics.org/ or slackwiki.org [20:00] Chameleon: the slackbook covers installation. And yes, it tells you how to select your packages. [20:00] Chameleon: what it won't tell you, however, is WHAT packages you need. [20:00] Chameleon: No, I did not say it installs everything or you can't pick. You can pick and choose whatever you wish to install but there is no building anything during install. [20:00] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:00] antiwire, thank you that is exulay what i wanted [20:01] Chameleon: To be totally honest about this; If you are asking these questions you are better off starting with a full install and working from there. [20:02] In you came asking for help about things not working or not building after a partial install you will simply be told to finish the install by installing everything you left out. It is a sane starting point. [20:02] came/come [20:02] i sorry guys i just confused.. i installed gentoo a wile back and you had to compile everything and that is what i was asking if you had to do with slack [20:03] If you are interested in how Slackware was built from sources you can look at the build scripts in the source/ directory. [20:03] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:03] chopp (~chopp@d142-59-63-193.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:04] NyteOwl: hello? [20:04] Nick change: chopp -> Guest10234 [20:04] snl20: hiya. I was juust gettign ready to depart :) [20:05] NyteOwl: well do you know if the wd 1TB black works ok ? :) [20:05] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [20:05] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:05] snL20: that model not sure. I know of people using TB WD's that work ok [20:06] Razec (1000@187-27-229-24.3g.claro.net.br) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:06] don't see why not [20:06] then again I haven't been having the best of luck with hard drives this weekend :p [20:06] Guest10234 (~chopp@d142-59-63-193.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:06] NyteOwl: yeah, I've just heard bad things about greenpower drives and linux =) [20:06] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:06] It's just a disk. As long as you have a modern controller to plug it into it will just detect like any other disk. [20:06] snL20: is the Black version one of their green drives? [20:06] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:07] choppernator (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) joined ##slackware. [20:07] NyteOwl: nope, that's why I'm about to order it :) [20:07] :) get me one too :p [20:08] ok well iam going to try to do this i hope i make it and sorry guys for the miss communtion [20:08] NyteOwl: lol.. I would if I could =) [20:08] Chameleon: It's all good [20:08] ok, $60 for an 80GB WD laptop drive [20:08] guess I gotta bit the bullet [20:08] I'll ship you a 120GB WD SATA disk for 70 [20:09] antiwire: the laptop is IDE :P [20:09] antiwire, this might be a dumb question but does "The Man" ever hang out in here? [20:09] Let me see what I have [20:09] Chameleon: Patrick? [20:09] Chameleon: he comes around sometimes. [20:09] antiwire, yes sir [20:10] lol, sir. sir antiwire. [20:10] :D [20:10] AcEg33k (1000@121.245.20.118) joined ##slackware. [20:10] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [20:10] NyteOwl: I have an old 120gb ide wd disk in my computer =) [20:11] someone with mac pro and slackware on it? [20:11] antiwire, well if you happen to see him in here let him know i think he is a genius [20:11] NyteOwl: cant really part with it though... using it for the os :) [20:11] snl20: I have a number of IDE drives but none for the laptop [20:11] wait ... I may have the original 10GB in the basement [20:11] velusip (~velusip@65.38.42.207) left irc: Quit: velusip [20:11] if [ Finished Eating ]; then dd if=/dev/full of=/dev/stomache fi [20:12] NyteOwl: heh, I have a compaq laptop with 10gb hd in it too.. about 10 years old :) [20:12] must go look - anyway, gotta go. night all [20:12] NyteOwl: g'night [20:12] snL20: yes my laptop is about the same vintage :) [20:12] Chameleon, if you mean jesus == the man? he hasn't been since the new ircd change [20:12] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: Molon Labe [20:12] I have (1) 320GB 2.5" SATA, (2) 160GB 2.5" SATA, (1) 120GB 2.5" SATA, (1) 60GB 2.5" PATA, (2) 73GB U320 SCSI disks and a pile of random 3.5" PATA/SATA disks. [20:13] ech (~meow@187.35.225.184) joined ##slackware. [20:13] ech (~meow@187.35.225.184) left irc: Changing host [20:13] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) joined ##slackware. [20:13] the 60GB 2.5" PATA is a Hitachi HTS541060G9AT00 [20:13] alkos333 (~alkos333@adsl-75-57-142-253.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [20:13] antiwire: yes, but do you have any SSD disks ? [20:13] :D [20:13] nope [20:13] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-223-212.slkc.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [20:13] agentc0re (~agentc0re@174-23-223-212.slkc.qwest.net) left irc: Changing host [20:13] agentc0re (~agentc0re@unaffiliated/agentc0re) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Mmm what is the reason they use cat $CWD/slack-desc > $PKG/install/slack-desc [20:13] Instead of cp in Slackbuilds? [20:14] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:14] cat doesn't bring the source's permissions [20:14] cp does [20:14] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [20:14] straterra: but then cp -a would suffice too? [20:15] jeev, no i mean Patrick i think he is a genius [20:15] no.. [20:15] ok [20:15] straterra: ah wait you mean the ownership of the script executer? [20:15] cp -a preserves too [20:15] No, the ownership of the file being copied [20:16] hoobop (~user@unaffiliated/hoobop) joined ##slackware. [20:16] Ah check I was thinking the other way around. [20:16] Thanks. [20:16] jeev, and what is the ircd change and what does that have to do with jesus? [20:16] NP [20:16] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [20:16] just a joke [20:17] --no-preserve=ATTR_LIST ? [20:17] jeev, sorry have not been vary slack past few weeks [20:20] I guess it would change the permisson no matter what using cp =) [20:22] Chameleon (Chameleon@CPE0016179aa1df-CM00122540797c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:22] nachox (~Ignacio@190.51.61.126) joined ##slackware. [20:25] jdetring (~jay@adsl-70-234-189-83.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:25] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:25] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [20:27] Nick change: choppernator -> chopp [20:31] mel0n (~mel0n@cpc3-sprt1-0-0-cust230.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [20:31] hey guys has anyone got stumpwn working in slackware? [20:31] stumpwm [20:33] alkos333 (~alkos333@adsl-75-57-142-253.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:35] sparx_1 (~sparx@c-174-52-156-117.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[20:43] AcEg33k (1000@121.245.20.118) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:44] I'm getting lots of errors compile various programs, all from x11 header files.. here is the full log of errors from one such failure: [20:44] http://mkoco.org/data/libAfterImage-error.txt [20:44] I've done a lot of tweaking, so its very possible I broke something. Especially getting KMS to work with my radeon chipset [20:45] But I can't figure out how to fix it now :/ [20:50] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:50] StonedSlacker (1000@cpe-024-074-031-046.carolina.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [20:52] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) joined ##slackware. [20:53] hey guys, Ive set up a seperate box running clear os and added another nic to my main box. I'd like to ssh into the clear box to configure it and I'm having issues setting up my interfaces. What's the best channel for me to ask for help on this? [20:54] I don't know, but what kind of issues? [20:55] One issue is now when I reboot my mian box it wants to call the former eth0, eth1 and i am unable to obtain an ip from my modem without manually issuing 'dhclient' I want the new nic to be solely for communication with the new box. I really just need some good docs to read I guess. [20:57] vim /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf [20:58] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [20:58] edman007 (~edman007@pdpc/supporter/active/edman007) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:58] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [20:58] dErFz (~derf@217.18.70.128) left irc: Changing host [20:58] dErFz (~derf@unaffiliated/derfz) joined ##slackware. [20:59] in that file, you can tell slackware to autoconfigure with dhcp any of the interfaces installed [20:59] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [21:00] how can i mount onto microsd? [21:00] cd /etc/memory? 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[21:21] just relaxing as well thanks hitest [21:21] :) [21:23] redux (~poo@124-171-174-199.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [21:24] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: brb! [21:24] upgraded my -current box to 2.6.32.7 last night.......nothing else to do atm......just lurking here:) [21:25] alkos333 (~alkos333@173-111-128-65.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [21:25] hitest, any improvement with new kernel? [21:26] suid0 (~suid0@unaffiliated/suid0) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:27] running smoothly:) not too much to report [21:27] hitest, cool [21:28] yep...no problems here... [21:28] Action: fhobia twiddles thumbs [21:29] Linux odin 2.6.32.7-smp #2 SMP Fri Jan 29 22:27:55 CST 2010 i686 Celeron (Coppermine) GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [21:29] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) joined ##slackware. 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[21:42] ananke (~ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu) joined ##slackware. [21:44] The 'b' switch seems to be getting me what I want [21:46] slackin (~slackin@68.204.234.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [21:47] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:48] what do you mean, a particular interface? a different shell? you could do something like 'ssh user@host ksh' [21:48] might be you need to pass some option to ksh to make it a login shell, in that case [21:51] You don't bind an interface, you bind an address. Yes, the "-b" option is what you want. [21:51] oh, a network interface, not a user interface... pardon my talking in my sleep... [21:51] lol [21:52] Yeah I have two nics on my main machine. I want one to give me internet, read 'HELP' and the other for ssh into my new box so I can set it up. [21:53] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:53] I'm getting nowhere, I need a really good howto. I'm googling for it but no dice yet [21:53] can do that with one interface if you want [21:53] a good howto on what? [21:53] hitsumo (~okan@85.97.179.194) joined ##slackware. [21:55] I dont want to put the new box online yet, thats why I'm doing it this way, and I dont have an extra monitor. A good howto on how to set up a firewall with an extra computer and all that happy stuff [21:56] yah. One interface can have two IP addresses (live internet IP, plus 192.168.1.x or whatever for your lan). Not saying you should change what you're doing right now, just a piece of information for future reference... [21:56] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:57] and one I will remember as well, thanks [21:57] danc3 (~danc3@unaffiliated/danc3) left irc: Quit: There had better be some beer left when I get back! [21:57] http://www.endian.com/en/community/overview/ <-- easy way to make a firewall from an extra box [21:58] If I could ssh into the other box I could work with it while having access to online help. Now I'm having to unhook the monitor and key board and all that and just bounce back and forth [21:58] BP{k} (~michiel@unaffiliated/michiel) joined ##slackware. [21:58] Skaperen (~phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [21:59] StonedSlacker: will it only be a firewall? [21:59] used keyboards are like $2, and most used-computer shops throw away crappy old CRT monitors... [21:59] (dumpster diving can be fun & profitable... or not, depends where you live I guess) [21:59] hi folks, i upgrade my firefox to 3.6, now when i closed i see firefox process running [21:59] andarius: A server as well [21:59] paste 2 lines is accepted? [22:00] 2 lines won't get you kicked [22:00] ohh, in that case my link is no use. perhaps check out rworkman's firewall script [22:00] you can do the install, start ssh and then do it all via ssh [22:00] I have an extra computer and I wanna do something with it. Doing this gives me a chance to learn something new [22:01] Cool, Ill look at that, thanks [22:01] so http://pastebin.com/d77529346 this process are running after close my firefo [22:01] hr, slack installer now has sshd? neat [22:01] *firefox [22:01] StonedSlacker: http://rlworkman.net/ [22:01] it something about the pkg? [22:03] already there andarius, thanks! [22:03] yw [22:04] If I want to use wicd to connect to a wpa network, where do I put the wpa_supplicant start command? In the wicd template? [22:04] peacedog: wicd runs wpa_s for you [22:04] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Atheism is a non-prophet organization. George Carlin [22:04] hitsumo (~okan@85.97.179.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:05] NaCl, so all I have to do is specify wpa in the encryption method? [22:05] yes [22:06] Thanks, I've reading all freakin day trying to figure this out! ;-) [22:06] tell wicd your encryption information, connection information, and connect. [22:07] peacedog: you could have probably asked in #wicd [22:07] chopp (~chopp@unaffiliated/chopp) left irc: Quit: leaving [22:07] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [22:08] chopp (~chopp@d142-59-63-193.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [22:08] NaCl, have you been there lately, it's a ghost town! ;-) Thank you. [22:08] Nick change: chopp -> Guest37528 [22:08] peacedog: it's a ghost town until someone says something. [22:09] peacedog: I am in there, I work on wicd. [22:09] Well, when I have time (which is not so much right now.) [22:09] smoooth (~smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:10] NaCl, I'll try there first if something else comes up. [22:10] ech (~meow@unaffiliated/echoes) left irc: Quit: Use the x, guy [22:11] I'm just so used to coming here first, old habbits... ;-) [22:11] ovnicraft, any errors? [22:12] peacedog: It's not a problem. :) [22:12] Guest37528 (~chopp@d142-59-63-193.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [22:13] MLanden, i think that if i closed firefox and process still running is an error [22:14] i catch it because i installed chrome and i cant import data, it tell me firefox was still running [22:14] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [22:14] ovnicraft, perhaps something in the profile got corrupted.. https://support.mozilla.com/ms/kb/Firefox+est+d%C3%A9j%C3%A0+en+cours+d%27ex%C3%A9cution+mais+ne+r%C3%A9pond+pas?givefeedback=1 [22:20] tuvok302Lappy_ (vircuser@clgrtnt3-port-116.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. 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[22:27] I want to set background color for certain characters in a sentence in verbatim, but not in other characters of the same sentence [22:28] oobe (~none@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:32] cryptic0, this might help http://www.math.harvard.edu/computing/latex/color.html [22:33] fhobia (~fhobia@c-67-188-69-121.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:37] nyRednek (~yosi@cpe-24-168-60-60.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [22:40] Is there any other package manager that will check and install all the dependency files? [22:40] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-21-86.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:40] kleanchap: nope [22:40] yuck [22:41] How about this http://www.breakingpointsystems.com/community/blog/tcp-portals-the-three-way-handshake-is-a-lie [22:41] The sbopkg queue system is fine but would prefer a yum style dependency checks. [22:42] then install a distro that uses yum [22:42] hah [22:42] Even slapt-get is pretty good but is not included in SL13. [22:42] kleanchap: It sounds like you might want to look into a distribution that does what you want rather than seek to create a Frankenstein [22:42] Slack rocks. Nothing beats it. [22:43] Yes, resolving dependencies in SBo is annoying at times. [22:43] Action: NaCl just did some. [22:43] then you'd have to convince Pat to add dependency checkinng to the native slackware package format. good luck with that. [22:43] Tired of educating people. [22:44] However, there could be a simpler way to check dependencies... [22:44] Still resolve them manually, but have them laid out in a graph or something so that it doesn't require a massive amount of clicking and typing [22:45] NaCl, i was saying a few days ago that the problem is in how sbopkg is layed out i think [22:45] NaCl: for SBo and sbopkg, if you figure out a dependency list for a particular package, save it as a queuefile for future reference [22:46] NaCl, i usually have to have sbopkg and vim open to keep track of things [22:46] chess: Did you mean slackpkg? [22:46] better yet, send it to me and I'll put it upon the site [22:46] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [22:46] kleanchap: nno [22:46] anyone tried installing the perl Fuse.pm module on slack 13? [22:46] chess, which site? [22:46] it utterly fails its "make test" [22:46] Urchlay, yuck [22:47] sbopkg.org/queues [22:47] arcfide (arcfide@adsl-99-50-224-230.dsl.bltnin.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:47] no anti-perl flamery please [22:47] chess: easy enough, but figuring it out for the first time can require looking at each and every package involved. [22:47] see sbopkg.org/queues.php for how sbopkg queuefiles work [22:47] Which can be many. [22:47] NaCl: true enough [22:48] What would be nice is if the depending packages are linked directly from the package pages [22:48] so no excessive searching is required [22:49] NaCl, I agree. [22:49] |Slacker| (~tanis@189.123.195.252) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:49] Okay, so I used ifconfig to set the ip address and df gateway for my new nic, but I'm confused. On my new computer the nic has been setup with an ip of 192.168.100.10, so is this going to be my df gateway for the nic in the other computer? I get no route to host when I try to ping [22:50] my goal/hope was that users would create and share sbopkg queuefiles, and I'd put them up on the site [22:50] urbank: What, since when are we not allowed to bash Perl? :-) [22:50] Urchlay: ^^^ [22:52] StonedSlacker: what is the router for your network? [22:52] the IP of the router for your network/subnet [22:53] kyzz (~kyle@c-71-63-176-71.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:53] arcfide: eh, normally I enjoy a good sucks/rules flamewar, but really just not in the mood today [22:53] Better yet, I don't C why we can't Scheme about Bashing Perl's Lisp while sipping Java. [22:53] arcfide, yuck [22:53] Action: antiwire barfs [22:54] Sorry, I couldn't stop myself. :-) [22:54] arcfide, enough Smalltalk [22:54] antiwire:For now I dont have one. I just have my computer attached directly to my modem. I added a new nic to my box and I ahve an extra computer that this extra nic is connect to. I am trying to ssh into the new computer so I can set it up. [22:54] hiptobecubic: heh [22:54] ugh. I hope you get bitten by a Python... [22:55] burmese [22:55] (sp?) [22:55] StonedSlacker: First, are you getting proper link? If you have two systems directly connected to each other you either need to make sure you have autosensing NICs or you use a cross over cable. [22:55] put it back to Assembly [22:55] Action: MLanden ducks [22:56] Directly connected systems will not need a gateway to talk to each other. [22:56] They will need a gateway to get out to the Internet or another subnet but not to talk to each other. [22:56] I am just too BASIC to understand what you are saying [22:56] dammit, that might be the problem then. The nics are old, how can I find out if they autosense? [22:56] StonedSlacker: Look into ethtool [22:56] Action: arcfide wonders if he can determine whose programming in what language with a whois. [22:57] okay, thanks antiwire [22:57] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:57] ergh, I can't even assemble a reply to that... [22:57] chess, lol...which variation?..:P [22:58] just a quick ethtool eth0 says no data available. Guess I need to rtfm [22:58] StonedSlacker: ethtool -i eth0 [22:58] ga_bash (~gaurav@210.18.180.131) joined ##slackware. [22:58] MLanden: well, I started with Apple BASIC on my Apple ][ in ~ 1980 [22:59] bleah. So nobody's attempted to use Fuse.pm on slack 13? Something's wrong with it... [22:59] chess, lol......pop [22:59] indeed [22:59] that gave me a bit more [23:00] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.154.247.83) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:00] StonedSlacker: just ethtool eth0 should give you information about link though [23:00] do it as root [23:00] It said only 'No data available' [23:00] I am [23:01] chess, any of the other 8-bit computers of the time(i.e. Atari or Commodore)? [23:01] Action: Urchlay still messes with the Atari 8-bit [23:01] Urchlay, via CPAN? [23:01] Are the cards so old that they might not support reporting that information? I don't even know if that is possible. [23:01] andarius (~andarius@c-67-191-170-126.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: I am off to join the Zs of sleepland :o [23:02] lemme lspci and pastebin it for you [23:02] hiptobecubic: via cpan or via downloading the tarball, running "perl Makefile.PL ; make ; make test" [23:02] StonedSlacker: lspci won't help troubleshoot the link [23:02] smoooth (smoooth@cpe-098-024-240-002.ec.res.rr.com) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:02] Urchlay, testing.. [23:02] okay, what will? [23:02] MLanden: oh definitely. I had a commodore 64, ti-99, and at school used a Trash-80 :-) [23:02] If the cards support it, ethtool will [23:02] I was wanting you to see hardware info, thats why I said lspci [23:03] hiptobecubic: looks like the first test mounts a fuse filesystem (which succeeds), but all attempts to do any reading/writing on that filesystem result in "function not implemented" [23:03] ti-83 :) [23:03] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/dfwS4U77.html [23:03] Urchlay, speaking of Atari...when I was messing with the Knight Lore remake for the msx emulator.. came across this http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-400-800-xl-xe-knight-lore_s15237.html [23:04] Urchlay, downloading. [23:04] http://oldcomputers.net/trs80ii.html <- almost $4000 at the time :-) [23:04] chess: despite never ever buying a ti-99/4a, I've somehow managed to accumulate a collection of 5 of them, plus a couple of the humongous external peripheral boxes for them... [23:05] Urchlay: nice :-) [23:05] I had a ti-83. Then it vanished [23:05] StonedSlacker: what does this show? cat /sys/class/net/eth0/carrier [23:05] replace eth0 with the correct interface [23:06] Urchlay, yes. Failed spectacularly [23:06] MrZhi (~zhizaki@24-155-241-242.dyn.grandenetworks.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:06] the 99/4a might have been the first computer I ever got to use (definitely the first one I got to use unsupervised, just to mess with) [23:06] piffey (pfe@adsl-69-227-137-30.dsl.renocs.nvbell.net) left ##slackware. [23:06] I had a modded Apple ][ with a special ROM chip that would boot a disk and then drop you to the assembly prompt. made it easy to, ahem, archive the game or whatever [23:06] chess: of course, only used it for making personal backups I'm sure... [23:07] StonedSlacker: bottomline here, I suspect you need a cross over cable. [23:07] antiwire: 1 [23:07] Urchlay: yes, of course :-) [23:07] That sucks man [23:07] hiptobecubic: yeah, was thinking it'd happen to you, as I just tried it on both 32-bit and 64-bit slack 13 with the same results on both :( [23:07] I never knew when I might lose my original copy of Choplifter or Lode Runner [23:07] I guess I can skin the cable back and splice em [23:08] StonedSlacker: First, lets just check settings [23:08] I just need to reverse the rx and tx lines, right? [23:08] Urchlay, well I'm on -current [23:08] lol, good idea antiwire [23:08] hiptobecubic: ah. Well, now we know 3 systems on which it won't work. Grrr. [23:09] StonedSlacker: [modem]---[NIC1-system1-NIC2]------[NIC3 on second system] is that correct? [23:09] MLanden: did you see the date on that knight lore game for the atari? released in 2008... [23:09] bgeddy (~ed@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:09] antiwire:yes that is correct, except I have two nics on the second system as well but one is unused atm. [23:10] StonedSlacker: ok, can you tell me the settings for NIC2 and NIC3? IP/MASK/GW just to start with [23:10] Urchlay, think it might be their homebrew scene [23:10] I am running a dual head non-xinerama XFCE setup; I have encountered a quirk. While the two heads work fine, because I can't move one window to the other, the notification icons of some of the daemons that start automatically get put into the LCD screen of my laptop, when I really want them in the display attached to my laptop. [23:10] Specifically, things like the Wicd tray icon and the xfce-battery-monitor show up in the wrong window. [23:11] antiwire: http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/QvVOs388.html [23:11] I have worked around the issue by creating another panel that sits in the first screen, always, and holds the icons, so I can still get to them, but it would be much preferred if I could see them in my normal panel. [23:11] StonedSlacker: NIC3 [23:11] we are trouble shooting the LAN side. [23:11] arcfide: you may want to look into randr [23:11] MrZhi (~zhizaki@24-155-241-242.dyn.grandenetworks.net) joined ##slackware. [23:11] Does anyone know of a way to ensure that the applications that are launched at startup of XFCE get launched on the right screen? [23:11] NaCl: What about xrandr? [23:11] To allow you to move the tray around more easily [23:11] NaCl: I'm familiar with it, but I'm not aware of anything that it can do to fix this problem. [23:12] The nics in system2 should be addressed 192.168.100.10 and 192.168.100.11 [23:12] StonedSlacker: Alright, Provided Layer 1 is correct, those settings would be enough to allow the two systems to at least ping each other. [23:12] bgeddy (~bgeddy@cpc3-live19-0-0-cust292.know.cable.virginmedia.com) joined ##slackware. [23:12] arcfide: if you have the screens be merged, then moving the panel around should be simple [23:12] NaCl: How would I do that? I do want the dual-head system that I have right now, not the stretched single screen over two displays set up that is usually recommended. [23:12] NaCl: XFCE allows me to move the panel from one screen to the other, that isn't a problem. [23:13] I need to get the settings from the other machine, brb. I have to unplug my monitor and all [23:13] arcfide: oh. removing the panel from the screen you don't want to use doesn't help? [23:13] NaCl: The problem is that the applications I can't move, such as the applications that are just tray icons, can't move once they have been started on one screen. I want them to start in the specific screen I want, rather than the apparent LCD screen. [23:13] RaNdY (randy@divide.by.zero.at.shellium.org) left irc: Changing host [23:13] RaNdY (randy@shellium/member/randy) joined ##slackware. [23:14] why do you want to use this setup, anyway? [23:14] NaCl: Specifically, the Wicd client that is started automatically when XFCE starts is started in Screen 0, which is my LCD screen. This screen does not contain the panel, and as a result, the tray icon does not show up in the panel. [23:15] NaCl: I have more control over changing the resolutions on my screen, and it easily degrades into a single monitor setup when I take the screen away. [23:15] NaCl: I also get things like easy management of my desktop backgrounds. [23:15] arcfide: I do that perfectly fine with xrandr [23:15] Heck, I'm doing it right now [23:15] If I enable Xinerama, then things can shift easily enough, but then the degradation into the normal single screen case isn't as nice. [23:16] arcfide: don't use xinerama [23:16] NaCl: Do you still have a virtual screen? [23:16] NaCl: I don't. [23:16] virtual screen? [23:16] Nhie (~nhie@118.98.218.2) joined ##slackware. [23:16] I can drag windows between screens no problem, and each screen can have it's own "maximized" window [23:16] NaCl: The usual way of doing two screens in Xrandr is to create a large virtual screen, and assign each display to a space in that virtual screen. [23:17] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [23:17] I'm not bothered by the inability to move windows from one screen to the other. [23:17] it's that some persitent applications that are started automatically start in the wrong screen. [23:17] arcfide: yeah, I do, although I don't use all of the space [23:17] Right. [23:18] NaCl: How do you manage multiple desktop backgrounds? [23:18] KDE does it for me. [23:18] Nhie (nhie@118.98.218.2) left ##slackware. [23:18] Last I worked with xrandr, it required me to create stretched screens. [23:18] I'm not using KDE. :-) KDE's default modus operandi is the xrandr solution, and it has integration for it. [23:18] argh! How do I get rescan the bus for new usb devices? [23:18] I don't think XFCE does. [23:19] StonedSlacker: lines 6, 7 and 9 of your first paste suggest a cross over is going to be needed [23:19] NaCl: More importantly, KDE takes care of running the xrandr commands for you. I wouldn't be able to do that automatically with XFCE. [23:19] StonedSlacker: Notice the lack of tx and rx? [23:19] arcfide: I set this up initially using the CLI and xorg.conf [23:19] ahh [23:19] I can achieve that control using ATI control panel, however, independent of my Window Manager's support for such things. [23:19] ATI's control panel segfaults here. :/ [23:19] NaCl: Naturally. :-) [23:20] StonedSlacker: So for you, I have this: http://ftp.ipsyn.net/pub/mirrors/cabling/T568B_scheme_opt.jpg [23:20] lol [23:20] NaCl: The question is simply one of how to ensure that the applications that get started automatically are started in the right screen. [23:20] gee thanks [23:20] arcfide: here, they start where the cursor is [23:21] well, guess I better get splicin' [23:21] And KDE somehow remembers where they were upon restart [23:21] StonedSlacker: actually, that image isn't good [23:21] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable [23:21] NaCl: I can't guarantee where my cursor is going to be when they start, as they may start before I have control of the cursor. [23:21] shonudo (~user@c-68-35-130-174.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:21] Thanks antiwire, I aint dont with ya. I'll be back [23:21] arcfide: there is a way to run two X sessions, one on each screen. Or, you could run a window manager that gives you much more control over things like that, such as one of tiling wm's. xmoand, for example [23:21] arcfide: don't listen to me. :P [23:21] in that first image they literally crossed over ALL pairs [23:22] You might not want to do that but it won't hurt anything [23:22] StonedSlacker: Do you have crimping tools? [23:22] chess: I'm happy with my XFCE set up so far. I'm trying to do this without having to resort to the virtual screen solution that NaCl uses (which isn't a bad solution). Right now I am using the dual-head setup, which is essentially the two X Sessions. [23:22] I think it's really one X session, but they might as well be two. [23:22] I was just going to skin back some in the middle and resplice [23:22] haha [23:22] arcfide: different displays [23:23] :0 vs :1 [23:23] StonedSlacker: that should work fine...for now [23:23] I have several lengths of the shite [23:23] muraii (~muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:23] muraii (~muraii@unaffiliated/muraii) joined ##slackware. [23:23] NaCl: Yes, that isn't what I have, my DISPLAY environments have :0.0 and :0.1. [23:23] I may even have one that is already crossover [23:23] Action: StonedSlacker digs out multimeter [23:23] StonedSlacker: inspect them all before you cut [23:24] just look at the ends [23:24] I'll be back [23:24] you can usually see the colors at the tips. the cross over will be...well...crossed [23:25] what is he trying to splice anyway? [23:25] ethernet [23:25] StonedSlacker: what nics are those? are those gigabit ethernet by any chance? [23:25] His paste suggests that there is not tx/rx right now [23:26] ananke: Not sure, its a mixed bag. One on each of the machines is integrated and the others came from my neighbors junk box [23:26] Action: ananke is so glad the days of reverse patch cables are over [23:26] reverse patch cables? [23:27] Also, I cannot find any of my other cables so... [23:27] you mean the lack of auto MDI/MDX ? [23:27] spook: ones with reversed rx/tx [23:27] cross over cables :) [23:27] yep [23:27] yeah, nyquil is kicking in :) [23:27] I found that out one day.. [23:27] StonedSlacker: Just for the record, so someone doesn't flame me later; I said you won't need to cross all pairs, for now, because it will work fine if you just mess with the tx and rx lines. I said that because you are going to manually hack these cables. [23:27] Action: ananke has made miles of those [23:28] kyzz (~kyle@c-71-63-176-71.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [23:28] StonedSlacker: most likely you'll need to switch green pair with orange pair [23:28] if you cross ALL the pairs you'll have a useless cable [23:28] spook: no, you won't. [23:28] It's all good, antiwire. [23:28] peacedog (peacedog@pool-71-254-90-58.lyncva.east.verizon.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [23:29] antiwire: wait... you'll have exactly what you started with, right? [23:29] If you don't properly cross the blue and brown you will not have a gigabit cross over cable. [23:29] but 10/100 will be fine with just Or/Grn [23:29] antiwire: huh, what? [23:29] i thought 100 used 3 pairs [23:29] wiat wait wait, are you guys telling me that a newer nic would not require crossover? cause the integrated ones on each machine are pretty new. [23:29] first of all, gigabit doesn't even need a crossover cable [23:30] StonedSlacker: most of them have MDI/MDX autonegotiation. [23:30] second of all, you can still use a cable with orange/green pairs crossed over [23:30] StonedSlacker: correct. here's a simple test: are the lights on? [23:30] ananke: I know it will work but it breaks the spec [23:31] antiwire: if it breaks the spec, why is it supported on virtually all nics? [23:31] It breaks cabling spec [23:31] which spec is it? 568B doesn't say it [23:32] btw, macguyver's first name is anger. [23:32] I won't want to have a cable like that mixed into a bag of random ethernet cables because it could be used in a PoE situation and cause trouble shooting waste [23:32] s/anger/angus/ [23:32] won't/wouldn't [23:33] antiwire: i'm interested in which spec outlines crossing brown pair [23:34] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_crossover_cable [23:34] dammit, I dont seem to have lshw and hwinfo installed [23:35] StonedSlacker: lshw is on SBo. hwinfo should be there soon-ish as well [23:35] a non bl/brn crossed cable is fine. I'm not disputing that at all, but it is not fine for gigabit because gigabit uses all pairs. That doesn't mean a gigabit card won't work with a poorly built cable though. [23:35] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:35] "In practice, it does not matter if your Ethernet cables are wired as T568A or T568B, just so long as both ends follow the same wiring format." [23:36] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [23:36] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [23:36] That quote is only talking about cross over cables in a broad scope. It is just saying you will have a good straight through cable as long as both ends are the same. [23:37] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.220.101) joined ##slackware. [23:37] i'd be interested to see which manufacturer's equipment actually requires such cabling [23:38] jescis_ (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:38] daidoji (~daidoji70@99.48.50.198) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [23:38] jescis (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:39] StonedSlacker: either way, you haven't told us the most basic piece of information [which you were asked for]: do you have any lights on those nics? [23:42] tuxdev (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [23:45] ananke: It is the gigabit spec itself that defines the 4 pair use [23:47] cyb3r3li0g (~3li0@c-68-35-73-169.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [23:47] ananke: Nope, darker na' black steer's tookus on a moonless night [23:47] tookus [23:47] macroron (~ron@c-98-254-46-12.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] StonedSlacker: there are no tx/rx values in your paste man. [23:48] You need a cross over cable [23:48] all you have are errors ;) [23:48] Freakin slackbuilds gets on my nerves sometimes. It wouldnt build lshw but a regular ol boring make make install worked fine [23:48] lshw worked fine here [23:49] I'm with you antiwire, I just want to post some hardware info so you guys can fight it out like proper geeks [23:49] antiwire: i never said otherwise [23:49] StonedSlacker: and what error did the slackbuild give you? [as macavity said: lshw build fine here] [23:49] we aren't fighting. it's all good here [23:50] That the instructions I specified were not supported by my cpu [23:50] http://pastebin.slackadelic.com/p/aQnjKq22.html [23:51] jescis (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [23:51] No, antiwire, you're fighting! Now get back in there and split some caps and bust some wigs! [23:51] m0n-E (~m0ney@adsl-70-233-149-86.dsl.okcyok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 256 seconds [23:52] fighting in here usually means people are being called names [23:52] name calling, outside of me calling agentc0re sugar tits, is when the conversations usually break down [23:52] right agentc0re? [23:53] And another thing, how come my 3gig processor will only do 2gig??? That is really pissing me off [23:53] haha [23:53] jescis (1000@adsl-93-90-136.owb.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [23:54] Crap guys, I gotta walk to the store for some smokes. I'll be back in ten or so. [23:54] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:54] I spent two hours this weekend terminating an epic paging system onto a few 66 blocks and my fingers are not happy about that [23:59] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-173-50-102-100.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Mon Feb 1 2010