[00:00] GR-DA30U [00:00] damn, that was the brand I was looking at [00:00] twolf: I doubt it's anything to do with the camcorder, just settings in the programs. :P [00:00] bullitt (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [00:00] fire|bird: does it support another protocol, usb, etc? [00:01] hmm strange, JVC make decent kit usually. I guess they use a proprietry protocol for firewire? [00:01] i have a friend who is very fond of his high end Sony HD video camera. he only records on HD DV tapes though [00:01] twolf: no, it supports just dv, but the pc just has firewire, so I'm using a dv to firewire cable. [00:02] twolf: my laptop has a dv connection but the laptop isn't working. :P [00:02] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) joined ##slackware. [00:02] diabolix (n=jsoyke@c-24-3-121-83.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [00:02] figures :-) [00:02] The camcorder is very nice, I just can't get a decent recording into the computer with it. :/ [00:02] fire|bird, not _the_ laptop? [00:03] dive: haha, yeah. :P [00:03] dive: I have it running in safe mode atm. :P [00:04] dive: I have it running a defrag atm. :P [00:04] fire|bird, gad [00:04] lol [00:04] haven't done a defrag for a few years ;) [00:04] I like the jvc because of their features, especially the fact they use sd cards instead of the duo card the sonys use [00:05] fire|bird, well at least that'll test the hdd [00:05] twolf: yeah, SD cards are much cheaper for more space. :P [00:05] dive: yeah, no doubt. [00:05] fire|bird: yeah I already have quite a few of them too [00:05] fire|bird, fan still turning itself off? [00:05] dive: It'll either be just that fan or the mobo. [00:05] dive: yeah [00:05] it's off right now. [00:05] hmm [00:06] dive: and I confirmed with someone who has the exact same laptop, that that fan should be running, slowly (at times) but running none the less, so it's either a fan or the mobo. [00:06] fire|bird, did you look see if there are any bios updates available? First thing I would look for with a fan problem. [00:07] dive: yeah, I checked that, it has the latest BIOS, I even tried re-flashing the BIOS and no dice. [00:07] man it can suck to change fans on some laptops [00:07] maybe new fan time then. [00:07] or at least check the connections. [00:07] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:08] dive: yeah, I just don't have extra parts, etc. yet. [00:08] a friend of mine has an antique laptop that sounds liek concorde taking it off. [00:08] hehe [00:08] I have an old laptop that will heat a small apartment in winter, but it would still work even at high temps [00:10] I have been luck with my thinkpad, it has worked flawlessly for over 2 years [00:15] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-76-195-161-107.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [00:15] hello agagin [00:15] again* [00:15] hi [00:16] i'm full of problems today [00:16] =) [00:16] i can't do "startx" anymore [00:16] it almost starts up [00:16] twolf: lol, the room with my pc's actually does heat up in the winter once the pc has run for a little while. (a desktop pc) :P [00:16] then i get the error "refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing" [00:17] complexmess: what video driver? did you make any changes to your system lately? [00:17] well i was in openbox [00:17] grawr [00:17] brb [00:17] =( [00:18] complexmess (n=complexm@adsl-76-195-161-107.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Client Quit [00:18] i think that i often get that error when i shut down X [00:18] but it runs without problems [00:19] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: "Leaving." [00:23] fire|bird: are you still having disk issues with a windows install? [00:23] is defrag still running? [00:23] dissociative (n=dissocia@190.71.30.212) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:27] antiwire: yeah, defrag still running. The mouse froze, yet the thing is still running, if I connect a usb mouse and keyboard, I can use those, the one fan just sits there and does nothing. [00:28] antiwire: as far as I can tell, after running the BIOS hdd test, etc. the hdd is good, I just wanted it backed up (imaged) because there was some software on there that'd be nice to keep around. :P [00:30] You might want to run a boot time chkdsk on the system volume to make sure the fs is sane [00:30] open a command prompt and use: chkdsk /F /V /R [00:32] lolwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:32] is it just me or does O'Reilly publish really great books? [00:33] gm152 (n=gm@d216-121-141-162.home3.cgocable.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:33] zaltekk: some of them indeed [00:33] antiwire: ok, I can do that, I had just used chkdsk /R [00:35] antiwire: What would the mouse and keyboard freezing be indicative of? mobo? [00:35] lolwut (i=1000@24.20.175.97) joined ##slackware. [00:36] could be irq conflict [00:36] check in device manager [00:36] it even happens while in a linux live cd. [00:36] check bios too [00:36] that's why I think hardware of some sort anyway. [00:36] any reserved irqs in bios? [00:37] dive: not that I know of, no. [00:37] if you have a reset to hardware defaults/safe setting try it [00:37] this defrag's still running, showing about an hour left. [00:37] dive: In the BIOS? already tried that. [00:37] hmm [00:41] The button that turns the touchpad on and off is functional and the light goes on and off when I press it. :P [00:41] sup dive: got it working [00:41] on irssi now [00:42] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [00:43] winger, that's good news [00:43] how did you fix it? [00:44] Oh, another thing, sometimes when I press the button that turns the screen off, the mouse and keyboard become functional again. :P [00:44] hmm graphics bug? [00:44] could be. :P [00:44] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) joined ##slackware. [00:44] fire|bird, what is vga boot device set to? agp or pci? Try the other one anyway. [00:44] heh [00:45] anything is possible with this thing. :P [00:45] dive: i actually had the wrong key written down. Lol [00:45] winger, oops [00:45] dive: I'm not sure there's a setting for that at all. I don't recall seeing one anyway. [00:46] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: "leaving" [00:46] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [00:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [00:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:50] how can I check if my ftp server is running in slackware? I uncommented the line in inetd.conf and restarted it but when i try to ftp localhost i get "421 Service not available" [00:52] lolwut (i=1000@24.20.175.97) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:53] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:54] l0lwut: did you restart inetd? [00:54] rworkman, yes [00:54] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [00:54] AndyL (n=alex@69.57.228.165) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:54] and then restarted my box to make sure [00:54] whats the best web browser for KDE? [00:55] winger: the answer is subjective [00:55] yes [00:55] l0lwut: which ftp client did you uncomment? [00:55] but i want to know what you think is the best [00:55] rworkman, proftpd [00:55] Hrm, I don't know proftpd, but check its config file to make sure it's not expecting daemon mode [00:55] winger: I do not use kde, but I use firefox [00:56] rworkman, whats the difference between vsfrtp and pro? [00:56] twolf: what gui> [00:56] winger: I use fluxbox [00:56] l0lwut: vsftpd is more respected at least. [00:57] I wouldn't use anything but vsftpd, and I think that's shared by many (if not most) linux devs. [00:57] twolf: very cool [00:57] rworkman, would you reccomend switching? i just picked one at random [00:58] twolf: its xfree86setup as root right [00:58] to change [00:58] winger: xwmconfig [00:59] l0lwut: I would, yes. [00:59] k brb [00:59] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:59] Chris Evans (vsftp author) is well-respected for writing secure and efficient code. [00:59] nice guy too, ime. [01:00] rworkman, So I switched over in inetd.conf and restarted inetd but after connecting I still get a 421 error [01:00] l0lwut: you're aware that inetd uses tcp_wrappers? Did you allow the connections in /etc/hosts.allow? [01:01] rworkman, I have tcpd:ALL in my hosts.allow [01:01] Start with "ALL : ALL" and go from there :) [01:02] or .. vsftpd: ALL [01:02] twolf: oh yeah, the other one is /dev/dv1394-0. I just checked. [01:02] Once that works, you can figure out the proper first column. [01:02] Or BP{k} can make it easy. :) [01:02] Frankly, inetd is useless imho [01:02] Dominian: ++ [01:02] especailly if you're using vsftpd.. you get much more control if you use it stand alone [01:02] fire|bird: you have tried to access all of the different ones with the same results? [01:02] Dominian: ++ again [01:02] Action: Dominian rocks [01:03] rworkman, Thanks lol I feel dumb now. [01:03] twolf: yeah :/ I'm gonna try them again here just for the heck of it, but yeah. :/ [01:03] I completely disable all services used in inetd.conf [01:03] l0lwut: nah, it happens. [01:03] in fact.. I shouldn't even be installing inetd .. I don't use it :) [01:03] i just disable inetd itself [01:03] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [01:03] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:03] if you have ALL:ALL in both deny and allow which wins? [01:04] hehe [01:04] allow [01:04] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:04] wierd... went to the xwmconfig and chose fluxbox, but KDE still loads [01:04] twolf: Hmm, not sure, but seems like dv1394-0 may be doing something. :P [01:05] winger: did you do it as root? because you don't need to [01:05] don't need to? [01:05] fire|bird: hopefully! [01:05] no it's user basis [01:05] winger, [01:05] winger: from runlevel 3 or runlevel 4? [01:05] users own preference [01:05] both BP{k} just to make sure [01:05] i did it in the terminal in KDE then at runlevel 3 [01:05] then restarted [01:05] winger, it only works for runlevel 3 [01:06] winger: try it as your user [01:06] k brb [01:06] runlevel uses the session manager to choose [01:06] erm [01:06] runlevel 4 [01:06] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:06] twolf: and when the video's done, how can I stop it so it keeps the video file, ctrl+c? [01:07] rworkman, Hmm Im having a bit of trouble remembering what it is that allows it to work lol [01:07] fire|bird: yeah that is what I do [01:07] rworkman, dont tell me though I want to figure it out lol [01:07] twolf: k, thanks. Hopefully this works. :D [01:07] fire|bird: I can give you a script that will take the resulting file and create a dvd setup to burn to dvd if you want that too [01:08] twolf: that'd be great if you don't mind sharing it. :) [01:08] there is a script that looks for gdm, kdm, and xdm. and the display manager should manage which window manager you login to [01:08] The video's just at the F22 Raptor now, so it has a little ways to go yet. :) [01:09] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:10] fire|bird: http://pastebin.ca/1513242 , excute that script on a *.mpg file and it will create at dvd directory ready to be burned [01:10] twolf: awesome, thank you. [01:10] fire|bird: you will have to edit it for the path names [01:11] ok [01:11] Well, the desktop plasmoid in kde4 keeps refreshing too (where I told cat to put the file) so it must be working. :) [01:11] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:11] heh worked, i like this better [01:12] wb winger :) [01:12] fire|bird: try 'mplayer *.mpg' and see if it plays [01:12] the background is a little plain [01:12] fire|bird: it should play if it is working even if it is still being created [01:12] winger: that can all be customized, fbsetbg /path/to/what/background/you/want/ [01:13] twolf: ok, cool. [01:13] I'll try it. [01:13] winger: flux takes quite a bit of configuring to be useful [01:13] twolf: indeed, but it's great once it's all configured. [01:13] winger: but I like it becaue I have it set up just like I want it [01:13] fire|bird: indeed [01:13] rworkman, Why is it not tcpd but vsftpd instead? [01:13] ctrl+v doesnt work lol [01:14] how can i paste a URL to an image of a good looking fluxbox desktop [01:14] im in irssi [01:14] winger: what terminal are you using? [01:14] fluxbox > irssi [01:14] mozilla firefox [01:14] middle mouse button for paste here [01:14] winger: either right click and hit paste or middle click. [01:14] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [01:15] lol [01:15] shift+ins is commonly used to paste also [01:15] [01:15] grr [01:15] you're like a fruity pebble your favorite flag is rebel [01:15] brb xchat [01:15] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [01:15] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [01:16] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:16] http://jk.yazzy.org/screenshots/fluxbox/fluxbox.jpg [01:16] googled fluxbox images.. saw that..pretty nice [01:16] purple, AH, my eyes. [01:16] winger: you will find some of the sickest destops on earth are fluxbox [01:17] AbsTradELic (n=vldmr@189.87.98.89) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [01:17] l0lwut: because tcpd is spawning vsftpd. [01:17] winger: If you really like flux and continue to use it, check out tenr.de for styles. [01:17] thanks fire [01:17] was gonna ask how.. [01:17] lol [01:17] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) left irc: [01:17] winger, if you want a clipboard manager that works well with fluxbox, check out parcellite. I have a slackbuild here: http://www.unrealize.co.uk/slackbuilds [01:18] winger: that site has a ton of styles for flux and tenner has made all of them. [01:18] clipboard manager... you mean copy/paste? [01:18] rworkman, Oh, Thank you for the help :) [01:18] winger: yeah [01:18] does fluxbox not do well with that? [01:19] it handles my c/paste functions without another tool [01:19] that pic i posted.. do i just need to find a crazy bg image like that? [01:20] winger: no they have tweaked beyond that [01:20] hmm [01:20] winger: plus you need to customize your ~/.fluxbox/menu to your own liking [01:20] tenr.de styles show only small portions of the look [01:21] winger: try one you like as a starting point [01:21] ooh, just tried BlueNight [01:21] on the system styles [01:21] pretty nice [01:21] I like the darker sytles [01:22] i tend to not like doing large amounts of customizing [01:22] winger, in all desktops copy paste with ctrl- works if the application you are copying data from is still open. A clipboard manager holds that info for you (and keeps a history) even after the application has closed. [01:22] got a good one, Operation [01:23] 'fbsetbg /path/to/file' to set a background image [01:23] redtricycle (n=redtricy@adsl-68-124-184-120.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [01:23] what terminals do you usually use? Konsole? [01:23] Xfce has "Terminal" [01:24] xterm and rxvt are the same..? [01:24] lately I use sakura, I like its tab abilities, stock slackware I use rxvt [01:25] winger, rxvt-unicode is quite fast and light [01:25] and it's on SBo [01:25] winger: no, xterm and rxvt aren't the same, two different terminals. [01:25] yea they look similar [01:26] and why under Browsers is there Firefox and then Mozilla? [01:26] twolf: alright, here we go, I'm gonna see if it works. [01:26] winger: that is why you need to edit your ~/.fluxbox/menu , the defaults might not work for you [01:26] fire|bird: good luck! [01:26] I find it interesting how some keys are dustier than others, because I rarely type on them [01:26] For example, the number "9" [01:26] I don't know why... [01:27] I rarely type 9 [01:27] redtricycle: hehe [01:27] winger, edit ~/.fluxbox/menu and put the browser you want to use, and commen out or delete the others [01:27] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: "Leaving" [01:27] winger, all flux config is done in simple text files [01:27] twolf: 2.2G, mplayer choked. :P [01:28] bbiab [01:28] l0lwut: np :) [01:29] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [01:29] redtricycle: the "home-row" on my keyboard is quite shiney(sp?), due to all the greasy foods I eat while seated at my keyboard [01:30] bacon ftw [01:30] wierd, Theres no file system program in flux [01:31] the include option of named.conf... i want to include all the files in /var/named/master|ptr|slave/*.zone... is this possible with wildcard character? or do i have to specify each *.zone file i want to include [01:31] downloaded adobe's latest flash in .tar.gz and doesn't know what app to use to open containing folder [01:32] winger: you can install a GUI file manager [01:32] winger: with fluxbox you will have to decide on a file manager if you want one, some use rox [01:32] or you can use a terminal [01:32] i just used the terminal to unpack it [01:32] but its not a directory? libflashplayer.so .. i guess an extension to add into firefox [01:32] I prefer terminal [01:32] winger: you just need it in the browser's plugin folder [01:33] a symlink is sufficent [01:33] but it if most likely in his home folder, which isn't a great place to symlink to [01:33] i'd make a slackware pacakge out of it [01:34] you can find a slackbuild at slackbuilds.org [01:34] the mozilla folder is under what? [01:34] ~/.mozilla [01:34] as in, usr/etc/ ? [01:35] /usr/lib/firefox [01:35] as in /home/username/.mozilla [01:35] inside there is a plugins folder [01:36] /home/winger then theres only Desktop [01:36] it is a hidden folder. ls -A [01:36] try 'cd /home/winger/.mozilla/plugins [01:37] no dir [01:37] you can access it directly... just remember it's .mozilla, not 'mozilla' [01:37] but i pasted it into .mozilla/extensions [01:38] cd /home//.mozilla [01:38] yep and there is extensions and firefox under that [01:38] winger: it can be quite frustrating at first, but with some persistance the rewards are worth it [01:39] twolf: yes i like it [01:39] just real rusty [01:39] trying to get youtube working [01:39] winger: check out slackbuids.org, there is a slackbuild for the flahplayer plugin, and many,many other programs, sbo wil be a good friend if you use slackware [01:40] thanks [01:40] gonna get some sleep now though. thanks for the help guys, bb soon [01:40] take care [01:41] winger (n=bullitt@pool-173-70-49-189.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [01:43] wasn't there a "hair-band" during the 80's named "Winger" ? [01:43] lol [01:44] so is "dropping in and getting some info, then dropping out" the norm? [01:44] indeed [01:44] and then there are those of us who like to stay in and continue getting info :P [01:44] lol [01:45] i could use the occasional distraction from my book anyway [01:45] and starting to share info as you gain it [01:45] I'm only roughly 80 pages into Learning the Vi and Vim Editors 7th Edition, and I already am a few worlds away from where I was with vi before [01:46] twolf: that file plays in vlc, but only the audio. :P [01:46] plus I've learned a few things from reading people's problems and solutions in here [01:46] fire|bird: wierd, hopefully you will have better luck when it is done, did you happen to try xine ?> [01:47] twolf: gxine plays it. [01:47] twolf: it is done. [01:47] twolf: I'll try putting it on a dvd and playing it that way too and see how it is. [01:47] fire|bird: gxine plays it well? to your standards? [01:49] knightvn (n=chatzill@pool-173-57-156-2.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [01:49] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-16-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [01:50] twolf: yeah, looks decent so far. [01:50] sweet! [01:52] I might get the jvc with hd and 60x zoom afterall [01:52] twolf: cool. :) [01:53] powtrix_, Welcome to ##slackware, if you need help just ask fire|bird and he'll be glad to help you [01:54] ok thanks [01:54] :/ [01:54] Action: Hakudoshi is evil [01:54] hehe [01:54] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-29-110.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Nick collision from services. [01:55] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [01:55] powtrix_: If anything winds up missing at your house, ask Hakudoshi, he probably has it. :) [01:55] lol [01:55] too bad i don't live anywhere near .br [01:55] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [01:55] Hakudoshi: don't lie, you have connections. :) [01:57] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [01:57] what you mean fire|bird ? [01:57] powtrix: just joking around. :) [01:58] fire|bird is in .br [01:58] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [01:59] many beatiful women in Brasil [01:59] Hakudoshi: I am not, I'm in the USA. :D [01:59] CST? [01:59] michigan? [01:59] not all of michigan is CST [01:59] Minnesota [02:00] oh yeah that hell hole [02:00] haha [02:00] Hakudoshi: where are you at? [02:00] too cold there [02:00] Colorado [02:00] Is there anyway to make the terminal resolution higher? [02:00] land of 10000 lakes a hell hole? hardly! [02:00] vga= [02:01] Hakudoshi: I live in the same state as nix_chix0r, feel sorry for me. :P [02:01] in lilo somewhere [02:01] fire|bird, are you brazilian? [02:01] powtrix: no [02:01] that is how rumors get started [02:01] he is brazilian and he loves Ronaldo [02:01] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [02:01] o_0 [02:01] fire|bird: is brazillian!! [02:01] Who the heck is Ronaldo [02:01] GOOOOAAAALLLLL [02:01] soccer player [02:02] Keiffer: If you have any questions please direct them to Hakudoshi, he'd be more than happy to help. :) [02:02] football to the rest of the world [02:02] Hakudoshi: eh, soccer. :/ [02:02] isn't Keiffer missyjane's husband [02:02] poor bastard [02:02] Hakudoshi: yup, Dominian officiated. [02:02] twolf: hahahaha [02:02] Hello. [02:03] where's Donald? [02:03] Keiffer: how's the marriage going? :P [02:03] I hope it was at least consumated(sp?) [02:03] She won't give hm any [02:03] him* [02:03] It's good. Filled with love and care [02:03] twolf: Ugh, my mpg has disappeared when I was cleaning up the Desktop, I can't find it. [02:04] ohhh!! [02:04] look in the trash [02:04] do people really still use "desktops" for anything? [02:04] unless you rm [02:04] fire|bird: had you already created a dvd from it? [02:04] porn mpg? [02:04] nope, not in the trash. [02:04] Hakudoshi: no, airshow. [02:05] twolf: no, that's what I was going to do next. :( [02:05] slocate maybe [02:05] find / -name *.mpg maybe? [02:05] dammit!! [02:06] twolf: Well, I can easily record it again, but dang, this sucks. :P [02:06] Blame it on Rio [02:06] Hakudoshi, so are you brazilian? [02:06] slava_dp (n=slava@83.170.208.10) joined ##slackware. [02:06] powtrix, nope, American [02:07] dunno if there are any brazillians here atm [02:07] -l [02:07] powtrix: gar0t0 is, but he isn't here right now. [02:07] that helps him [02:08] slava_dp, Welcome to ##slackware, if you need help just ask twolf [02:08] l0lwut (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:08] y0 slava_dp [02:08] fire|bird to mean to help [02:08] I'm too dumb [02:09] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) joined ##slackware. [02:09] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [02:09] speaking of the devil [02:09] greetings nix_chix0r [02:09] WB nix [02:09] WB nix_chix0r [02:09] HA [02:09] sorry it rained today so i was probally in and out [02:10] nix_chix0r: 70 and sunny here. :D [02:10] I'll blame fire|bird [02:10] oh shutup you [02:10] 61F and Rain today [02:10] well yesterday [02:10] suppose to be 84 today tho [02:10] twolf: recording again. :) [02:11] nix_chix0r: :D [02:11] nix_chix0r: how's it going? [02:11] fire|bird: you can test it with a small *.mpg file by using the script I gave you, then on the resulting file use "mplayer dvd:// -dvd-device ./dvd [02:11] i hate ovens [02:11] twolf: k, thanks. [02:11] it's going to take 30 minutes to cook a single hotpocket =/ [02:11] zaltekk: what about microwaves? :P [02:11] fire|bird, great. yesterday the little similac sucker attempted crawling and he got pretty far [02:11] zaltekk: toss it in the microwave. :P [02:11] zaltekk, buy a microwave [02:11] fire|bird: moving to a new apartment. doing without a microwave until saturday [02:12] eat out [02:12] i did [02:12] McBarfs is open [02:12] nix_chix0r: haha, nice, soon he'll be crawling, you'll be chasing him, and he'll be looking back giggling. :) [02:12] but its 2:17am now [02:12] 7-11 [02:12] yeah [02:12] the hotpocket will work [02:12] i should have just realized that i need to start cooking it before i get hungary [02:12] 7-11 have microwaves [02:13] i think [02:13] tho probably far [02:13] if any in your country [02:14] lolwut (i=1000@24.20.175.97) joined ##slackware. [02:15] wb lolwut, you got questions, Hakudoshi's got answers. :) [02:15] LOL WHAT?! [02:16] WHAT?! CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? :) [02:16] Ya know, some animals will get so hungry, they will actually start eating their own crap. [02:17] eww!! [02:17] I think I'd rather die of starvation. :P [02:17] dogs are that way [02:17] .... [02:17] Action: Hakudoshi slaps Dominian [02:17] we had a dog when I was a kid that could not resist cat crap [02:17] I bet you won't let your dog lick your face for a whle [02:17] fire|bird, ? [02:18] actually, it is safe to let the dog lick your face [02:18] made cleaning the cat box easy [02:18] their mouth kills the germs [02:18] dog's mouth is cleaner than a humans [02:18] I'm sorry.. [02:18] lf4 (n=KJR@pdpc/supporter/student/lf4) joined ##slackware. [02:18] y0 lf4 [02:18] if My dog eats a pile of shit right in front of me.. then wants to lick my face.. I ain't lettin' that happen [02:18] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [02:18] hehe [02:18] Hey fire|bird :) [02:18] lf4, Welcome how may Dominian gross you out today? [02:18] yep. it is actually safer to eat something that was in a dogs mouth than it is to eat it without it going in the dogs mouth [02:18] lf4: how's it going? [02:19] Dominian: well, i wouldn't let the dog eat the pile of shit. [02:19] zaltekk: can't be around 24/7 [02:19] exbio (n=ada@unaffiliated/exbio) left irc: ":)" [02:19] Compound (i=1000@c-24-20-175-97.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [02:19] goto ##slackwareofftopic [02:20] word on the street: eviljames is being gay with his neighbor humphrey [02:20] Dominian: you said you watched the dog do it. [02:20] Hakudoshi: actually, I have an "image" that I used to use for leechers that would gross this channel out [02:20] hehe [02:20] It's going alright just trying to figure out what my co-worker did to this system. Haha its a joke on me and I have to figure out what he did. [02:20] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [02:20] fire|bird: ^^ [02:20] tubgirl [02:20] Hakudoshi: nope [02:20] lemonparty [02:20] lemonparty.org [02:20] lf4: lol, have fun. :D [02:20] goatsecx? [02:20] meatspin [02:20] lolwut (i=1000@24.20.175.97) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:21] fire|bird: Haha I know I like it... :) gives me something to do. [02:21] lf4: true. :) [02:21] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [02:21] greetings fredoslack [02:21] hi fire|bird : ) [02:22] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [02:22] morning [02:22] fredoslack: How may Hakudoshi help you today, dust your furniture, mop your floors, wash dishes? :P [02:22] y0 slackytude [02:22] how goes? [02:23] fire|bird, i don't understand sorry :'( [02:23] y0 fire|bird, pretty tired and I want to go home. how about you? [02:23] y0 fredoslack [02:23] fredoslack: I'm sorry as well, just joking around. :P [02:23] hi slackytude :) [02:23] ^-^ [02:24] slackytude: doing great, thanks. [02:24] fire|bird, its on friday morning when your positive attitude is really annoying :P [02:24] slackytude: hasn't been any opera snapshots recently, maybe getting ready for final release. :P [02:24] slackytude: hahaha [02:25] It's friday morning here now technically, 01:23. :D [02:25] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [02:25] that would be nice. altho this snapshot still performs well [02:25] slackytude: indeed it does. [02:25] fire|bird, its 8:25 here [02:25] sigh [02:26] 9 hours to go [02:26] slackytude: still using opera mail as well or something else due to those attachment issues? [02:26] heh, bbiab. :P [02:26] then Im going home and sleep [02:26] fire|bird, still opera [02:26] slackytude: cool. [02:27] Hakudoshi: lol, I just seen now that you CTCP TIME'd me. :P [02:28] Hakudoshi: try to CTCP VERSION me. :D [02:28] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:29] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:30] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [02:30] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: Client Quit [02:31] lol [02:31] slava_dp: :D [02:32] damn [02:33] my customer from just one online business withdraws $1200 from atm every day [02:33] morning slava_dp [02:33] every day, 365 days a year [02:33] heroin is a bitch [02:33] how do you know O_o [02:33] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Connection reset by peer [02:33] morning slackytude [02:33] eh [02:33] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. [02:34] good friday !! 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[02:47] twolf: Well, that failed with: cat: /dev/dv1394-0: Bad address [02:50] Action: slackytude sighs [02:50] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-250.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [02:50] Action: slackytude checks clock [02:50] 8 hours [02:50] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-58.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [02:52] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [02:57] fire|bird: Haha it was a simple iptable addition. :P he did. [02:57] haha, nice. :P [02:59] So whats been happening over on that side? [02:59] lf4: laptop issues. :P [03:00] nothing real exciting over here otherwise. :P [03:00] fire|bird: What's wrong with the laptop? [03:00] alisonken1 (i=4221ce08@gateway/web/freenode/x-ivpjzloohekqqmoo) joined ##slackware. [03:00] fire|bird: check ps aux for the previous cat process, if it is still active kill it [03:01] twolf: ok, will do, thanks. [03:01] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [03:01] that sucks - I just opened kvirc tonight, and got the message I was banned due to clone/expoit/flooding [03:01] nope [03:01] alisonken1: woah [03:02] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [03:02] matt0 (n=matt0@CPE-60-226-3-183.qld.bigpond.net.au) joined ##slackware. [03:02] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:03] errordeveloper (n=errordev@78-86-1-110.zone2.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [03:03] anyone have any idea why either I would be banned or kvirc would be banned? [03:03] banned from what? [03:04] freenode.net using kvirc [03:04] dive^ (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [03:04] dhabyx (n=dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:04] I'm trying to compile GConf and it needs a package called "polkit-dbus" does anyone know where i can find a source archive for this? [03:04] tank-man: I'd try asking in #freenode why. [03:05] http://pastebin.ca/1513330 [03:05] policy kit eh? [03:05] Yes [03:05] "No identd (auth) response" [03:05] might be because of that [03:05] alisonken1 [03:06] policy-kit is not part of the pam suite [03:06] matt0, good luck with that [03:06] s/not/now [03:06] alisonken1: tried from a different irc client? [03:06] tank-man: interesting since it worked last night up until this morning [03:06] slackytude :( I've been searching for the last 15 minutes [03:06] fire|bird, he is connect now and talking to us :) [03:07] using the webchat - not kvirc [03:07] tank-man: yeah, using the web interface. [03:07] bobJR (n=bob@adsl-150-237-62.tys.bellsouth.net) joined ##slackware. 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[04:40] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [04:41] y0 Camarade_Tux , antiwire [04:41] antiwire, how was it? [04:41] mako-dono (n=mako@81.22.21.98) joined ##slackware. [04:42] someone knows if it is possible to drag windows from one display to another in a multihead-environment without xinerama? [04:42] should be [04:42] altho I used the nvidia stuff to set it up [04:43] do you know how? I only manage to drag them from workspace to workspace, but can't move them to another display [04:43] Skaperen (n=phil@c-76-125-202-149.hsd1.wv.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [04:43] Camarade_Tux: I think it's a gcc issue, ie. the autotools mktime test does no longer compile [04:43] apoca, you set it up as two seperate X sessions, one for each monitor [04:44] apoca, thats my current setup as well coz I like it more [04:44] Nick change: adupuis -> Arno[Slack]`Work [04:44] apoca, need to change it one X server for both [04:44] then I have one big screen, right? [04:44] if I sert up two seperate sessions, they are more or less independent [04:45] I have this multihead-setup right now with two different DISPLAYs, but I just wanted to move a window :( [04:46] well, it doesn't matter that much, I will just have to organize my workspaces another way ;-) [04:46] let me take a look at the nvidia options [04:47] I think TwinView is nvidia specific [04:47] yeah, Options are Disabled, TwinView, Seperate X instance [04:47] or Xinerama [04:48] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:50] http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090731 <--- at least the geeks got to finance first :) [04:51] SlackNeo1 (n=SlackNeo@190.176.133.191) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [04:52] alisonken1, eh, just read that as well [04:52] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.82.80) joined ##slackware. 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[05:07] Zaba (n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:07] kde? [05:07] xfce [05:08] start it with kde services [05:08] okay [05:08] file system works [05:08] and the other home folder >.> [05:08] and the other trash bucket [05:08] i don't like kde [05:09] you like the services [05:09] not really [05:09] i usually keep my desktop blank so i can see my background [05:09] what is the environment to set keyboard map on terminal [05:09] umm [05:10] idk [05:10] bash-3.1 [05:10] ? [05:13] well i just got rid of them anyway [05:14] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) joined ##slackware. [05:16] obnauticus (n=obnautic@about/windows/regular/obnauticus) left irc: [05:16] sup Chakravanti [05:16] shit working good for you? [05:16] well enough [05:17] i compiled wesnoth and it seems to work well [05:17] the display is a bit out of proportion [05:17] but nothin major [05:17] powtrix: not sure if it'll work but "loadkeys us" (for us) and then type $ENV [05:17] and i fix it by manually setting the resolution even though it's still a little off [05:18] lol what am i saying [05:18] powtrix: i mean env [05:21] fixed, keymaps [05:21] rc.keymaps [05:22] er its not a env [05:23] when i set LANG=pt_BR.UTF-8 it did not work as LANG=pt_BR, what is needed to enable utf8? [05:23] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-207.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:25] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.132.173) joined ##slackware. [05:26] Emeau-cat_ (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [05:26] http://www.miniclip.com/games/stunt-pilot/en/ [05:31] powtrix, do you mean linux console keyboard map, or an xterm type console? [05:32] linux console [05:33] powtrix, mycosole [05:33] oops [05:33] powtrix, http://slackwiki.org/Utf-8_linux_console [05:34] Chakravanti, I got alien arena working but haven't been online yet [05:34] played a few bots and got destroyed [05:34] yeah [05:35] bots wil rip you apart [05:35] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) joined ##slackware. [05:35] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-207.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [05:35] it's mostly a pvp game [05:35] you ever tried unreal tournament 99 [05:35] no [05:35] i play the old unreal [05:35] that's a good one [05:35] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:35] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-207.ip38.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [05:35] I play a lot of UT [05:35] ill play a game of AA with you if you like [05:36] but i gotta reboot to ubuntu, havent gotten it working in slackware yet [05:36] maybe when I've finished compiling crap [05:36] let me know [05:36] i'll be up a while i think [05:36] Chakravanti, I had to install alaudio from SBo to get sound working [05:36] on efnet, #alienarena [05:36] yeah [05:36] it needs openAL [05:36] what is the error you're getting with it? [05:37] graphics rendering stuff [05:37] when I first ran it it didn't maximise - had to play with the settings a bit [05:37] hang on sec let me post it [05:37] sur [05:38] http://www.pastebin.org/5389 [05:38] i think line 45 is the real error but it makes no sense [05:39] latarcyrheb-sun16 not found [05:39] Chakravanti, which card + driver you have? [05:39] should I change this font? [05:40] powtrix, try out fonts in setconsolefont command, have a test of them and see which works [05:40] http://www.pastebin.org/5526 [05:40] Chakravanti, using nvidia driver from nvidia.com or from SBo? [05:40] whatever it installed [05:41] or default nv driver [05:41] i didnt change it yet [05:41] default then [05:41] can you pastebin your xorg.conf? [05:41] or no [05:41] just grep driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf [05:42] http://www.pastebin.org/5527 [05:42] well [05:42] lol [05:42] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [05:43] ah [05:43] Emeau-cat (n=Emeau-ca@cho94-3-82-225-203-40.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [05:43] you're using the default vesa driver. No opengl stuff will work with it very well, if at all [05:43] hehe [05:43] http://www.pastebin.org/5528 [05:43] Chakravanti, you've installed a few slackbuilds now haven't you? [05:44] well thats the one from ubuntu where it works fine [05:44] and you say video was good? [05:44] yeah a few [05:44] hehe [05:44] it was good [05:44] vesa ftw [05:44] my pornos didn't act all glitchy [05:44] yeah, but try nvidia and come again [05:44] Chakravanti, have you tried sbopkg yet? [05:44] no [05:44] whats that [05:45] Action: slackytude slaps Chakravanti [05:45] it automates install slackbuilds from SBo [05:45] very easy, with search and stuff [05:45] sbopkg.org [05:45] install it, run it, do rsync, then search for nvidia [05:46] shl732 (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [05:46] Nick change: shl732 -> luq421 [05:46] there will be 2 packages, add them to queue, process queue, build and install [05:46] two? [05:47] i thought there were? [05:47] never used the nividia from sbo [05:47] :P [05:47] afaik last time I had nvidia there wasnt any sbo [05:47] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-17-50.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "leaving" [05:47] yeah I think they separated it to 2 packages for some reason [05:48] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [05:48] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:48] driver and k module [05:48] wheres he gone [05:48] he's dead, Jim [05:49] beam me up spotty [05:49] classic shit [05:49] spotty? [05:49] lol just my little joke [05:49] ^-^ [05:50] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [05:50] woops [05:51] you are bäck [05:51] i forgot to go root before installpkg [05:51] so went root [05:51] up [05:51] enter [05:51] and my last root command was shutdown -h now [05:51] lol [05:51] heh [05:51] good one [05:51] i hate being insomiac sometimes [05:52] im only just now getting tired [05:52] but if i went and laid down [05:52] i'd have to get up in half an hour [05:52] moh2a (n=mohaa@92.49.82.80) left irc: "Thanks for the fish" [05:53] mohaa (n=mohaa@92.49.82.80) joined ##slackware. [05:53] i'm having trouble mounting a cd... i keep getting /dev/sr0 is not block device... any ideas? [05:53] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-16-168.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [05:53] zoran119, how do you mount? [05:53] i need to be root for sbopkg? [05:53] Chakravanti, yeah [05:54] slackytude: mount -t iso9660 /dev/sr0 aaa/ [05:54] what's Rsynch? [05:54] Chakravanti: man rsync [05:54] Riley (n=Blue@S0106001c109fc40c.ss.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [05:55] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [05:56] zoran119, and /dev/sr0 is your cdrom? [05:56] so it basically just downloads a bunch of shit? [05:56] Chakravanti, download, build, install, upgrades as well [05:56] Chakravanti, search in repo, import / export queue [05:56] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [05:57] Chakravanti, nice editing of slackbuilds with some managment of the slackbuilds per package [05:58] but basically it just downloads a bunch of shit, like apt-get [05:58] so this nvidia driver is on slackbuilds? [05:58] yes [05:59] search for nividia and add driver and kernel to queue, back to main menu, queue, process qeue, build and install [05:59] slackytude: this is what dmesg says: sr 1:0:0:0: Attached scsi CD-ROM sr0 [05:59] this is useful [05:59] then edit xorg.conf and change driver to 'nvidia' [05:59] it's lighter than the python apps too [05:59] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 48x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray [05:59] or it might actually ask you to do that [06:00] those took forever to load [06:00] slackytude: but it also says Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods [06:00] Chakravanti, yeah its bash [06:00] huh? driver sr? [06:01] hmm [06:01] same errors from ./crx [06:02] did you restart X? [06:02] oh [06:02] no lol that would help wouldnt it [06:02] doh [06:02] you editied xorg.conf? [06:02]  <<< you see '?' ? [06:02] i should go make some coffee [06:02] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:02] yeah me too [06:02] it said it edited xorg.conf [06:03] might want to check see it's done it right [06:03] should say driver "nvidia" [06:03] grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf [06:03] powtrix, yeah its a diamond shape [06:03] or something [06:04]  [06:04] pprkut: I saw that updating autotools fixed the problem [06:04] a good, so my xchat is utf? [06:04] and running autosomething in the source folder solves it too [06:04] it is working now... [06:04] powtrix, it ought to be [06:04] yoyo slackytude :) [06:04] panzer (n=panzer@unaffiliated/panzer) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [06:04] raw_ (n=ilove@p54875778.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [06:04] Ì [06:05] yeah it wasnt [06:05] i changed it [06:05] i used /dev/cdrom instead of /dev/sr0 and it worked... now it works with /dev/sr0 as well... strange [06:05] brb [06:05] powtrix, nope that came out as a square to me, but I'm in a dodgy terminal [06:05] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:05] I will look in xfce terminal [06:05] now i can read it [06:05] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-207.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:06] it? Ì [06:06] yeah [06:06] circlular thing [06:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Client Quit [06:06] I need probably add some fonts to urxvt [06:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) joined ##slackware. [06:06] heh [06:06] theblackbox (n=sammo@unaffiliated/theblackbox) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [06:07] Ä [06:08] lol was that a spur? or a hanging man.... [06:08] (.) 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[06:17] the ID of your card [06:17] Chakravanti, does your card is a nvidia? [06:17] Section "Device" [06:17] Identifier "Videocard1" [06:17] Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 [06:17] Section "Screen" [06:17] Device "Videocard1" [06:18] kk [06:18] did you try 'nvidia-settings' as root? [06:18] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [06:18] no [06:18] it makes a clean xorg.conf if you have the nvidia driver installed [06:19] backup your current xorg.conf before.. [06:19] i have one fx5200 [06:19] in other pc... [06:20] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-207.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [06:20] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [06:20] a750mhzslinky (n=a750mhzs@74.197.94.13) left irc: "adios amigos" [06:25] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) joined ##slackware. [06:26] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:27] okay [06:27] how do i exit irssi [06:27] slwoly [06:27] slowly [06:27] lol [06:28] /quit ? [06:28] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:29] \N/ [06:29] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [06:30] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [06:32] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.74) left irc: "leaving" [06:32] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) joined ##slackware. [06:33] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [06:33] still no dice [06:33] undefined device in screen [06:33] 'Videocard1' [06:33] wait [06:33] shoudl it be 0? [06:34] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:34] Chakravanti (n=dkwhit@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Client Quit [06:37] appzer0 (n=appzer0@lns-bzn-43-82-249-128-166.adsl.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. 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[07:01] okay i switch back to my old xorg.cof and VESA driver [07:01] why? [07:02] are you know under X? [07:02] now* [07:03] ye [07:03] cuz nvidia drivers wouldn't startx [07:03] and i'mnot sure how to use these nvidia-settings [07:04] ok, try run under X as root: nvidia-settings [07:04] just open your xterm and 'su -' and 'nvidia-settings' [07:05] okay [07:05] it says i shoudl run nvidia-config [07:05] well, you are supposed to run nvidia-xconfig anyway [07:05] right [07:05] k brb [07:05] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:05] o_0 [07:06] whut? [07:06] what the deal. i just install the driver from nvidia.com, change "vesa" to "nvidia" in xorg.conf and there it goes! [07:06] if you install from nvidia, nvidia-xconfig is run automatically, afaik [07:06] dont have to do anything [07:07] right [07:07] and also, you are supposed to run xorgconfig as well [07:07] i dont think the installer is good there [07:07] since he was using the original sample xorg.conf [07:07] powtrix, never had issues [07:07] never here [07:08] i always use the original xorg.conf and just change the driver string. on every box i configure. no complaints. [07:08] that works as well, of course [07:08] but Im lazy [07:08] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] well that didnt work [07:10] and nvidia-settings doesnt give me any options [07:10] what happens when you start X? [07:10] because it will only change driver line [07:11] let me post log file hangon [07:11] err crap [07:11] where is the log file [07:11] /var/log/Xorg.0.log [07:12] G4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left ##slackware. [07:12] G4tt0 (n=Romeo~@host224-64-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [07:12] http://www.pastebin.org/5545 [07:13] last three lines [07:13] oh shit [07:13] it didnt put that out last tiem [07:13] i see now [07:13] i got it [07:14] need old legacy drivers [07:14] (II) NVIDIA dlloader X Driver 180.29 Wed Feb 4 23:50:44 PST 2009 [07:14] (WW) NVIDIA(0): The NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 GPU installed in this system is [07:14] (WW) NVIDIA(0): supported through the NVIDIA 173.14.xx Legacy drivers. [07:14] The 180.29 NVIDIA driver will ignore [07:14] (WW) NVIDIA(0): this GPU. [07:14] oh [07:14] Channel flood from slackytude -- kicking [07:14] you already got it ^-^ [07:14] slackytude kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [07:14] :D [07:14] yeah i saw it just before oyu posted lol [07:14] slackytude (n=hotline@p4FD89858.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [07:14] lmfao [07:14] :D slackytude [07:14] yeah i saw it just before you posted [07:15] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-olroiavzdvmpdhjf) joined ##slackware. [07:15] so do i have to remove this nvidia package? [07:15] does sbopkg do uninstalls? [07:15] did you get it from sbo? [07:15] just do a removepkg nvidia [07:16] or use pkgtool [07:16] kk [07:16] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.130.22) joined ##slackware. [07:17] the driver you need is on sbo as well [07:18] yeah ik i remember seeing it [07:19] hopefully this will do the trick [07:19] sbopkg [07:19] err...wrong window lol [07:19] command not found [07:19] ^ [07:19] lmfao [07:20] whats the difference between binary and kernel module? [07:20] Im not clear on that meself but you need both [07:20] kernel modules run in kernel space - binary driver means it's a binary blob that doesn't get compiled with the kernel [07:21] binary program just means that the compiled program, not the source that get's compiled by you [07:21] one is the xorg driver, the other one is the kernel driver. [07:21] so i have to recompile my kernel? [07:21] Chakravanti, no. [07:21] kk ty [07:22] you compile a kernel module [07:22] no - in that case, it just means that the xorg driver requires that a kernel module also be added for extra functionality [07:22] i've not compiled a kernel yet [07:23] i'll probably work on that with the other system i'm gonna build minimalist [07:24] brb [07:24] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [07:25] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [07:25] Woohoo! [07:25] I love you guys! =) [07:25] and? [07:25] now to test it for real... [07:26] Test you love on someone besides me. [07:26] Chakravanti, so you got nvidia now? [07:27] yeah [07:27] AA runs like a peach [07:27] Action: slackytude bows [07:27] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.16.27) joined ##slackware. [07:27] Action: slackytude : Hunter of Gremlins [07:28] Karu (n=alch@181.106.50.84.sta.estpak.ee) left ##slackware. [07:29] slackytude, officially :) [07:29] aye [07:29] Action: slackytude : official Hunter of Gremlins [07:30] okay now i need ruby but igtg to work [07:30] i'll see ya guy later tonight [07:30] thanks for everything [07:31] Chakravanti (n=k@in-67-236-82-46.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: "Leaving" [07:31] tooly (n=tooly@e178139088.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [07:32] High_Priest (n=MMF@nat/ibm/x-thjbaaakqevokgrc) joined ##slackware. [07:33] hi [07:33] Hello :) [07:36] holidays! \o/ [07:36] legendulo (n=RF@92.84.16.27) joined ##slackware. [07:37] legendulo (n=RF@92.84.16.27) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [07:38] Camarade_Tux, -_- [07:38] Camarade_Tux, holydays! bah! humbug! [07:38] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:38] slackytude: we're still friends, right? :D [07:40] v4nelle (n=van@78-99-238.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [07:40] \o/ holidays and the touchpad's not working right now \o/ [07:42] Camarade_Tux, surely! [07:42] friend! :) [07:44] Zaba (n=zaba@ip102.148.adsl.wplus.ru) joined ##slackware. [07:44] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [07:45] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:47] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) joined ##slackware. [07:48] any urxvt genii about? [07:49] trying to get better character support [07:49] for some reason xfce terminal with same font - bitstream vera sans mono - prints more characters than urxvt [07:50] wsp4th (n=wperry@adsl-074-167-057-025.sip.jan.bellsouth.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:50] hey, i'm trying to set up vde (for some better networking with the qemu vms)... i followed alienbob's wiki and managed to ssh into the vm from the host, but cannot ssh into the vm from another machine on the lan [07:51] zoran119, using -redir switch? [07:51] my lan has 192.168.1.xxx addresses (handed out by the router) and vde is giving 10.10.10.xxx address to the vm [07:52] how did you want it to work? tun-tap? [07:52] or routing to a seperate internal subnet used only for vms? [07:52] dive: -redir... don't think so... 1.2 vulcan 00:0f:ea:3f:26:39 Static 192.168.1.3 apollo 00:40:f4:f2:cd:e4 Static 192.168.1.8 unknown 00:24:1d:1f:e3:72 Static [07:52] slackytude: hmmm, would you teach me python ? hmmm... http://leahculver.com/about/ [07:53] dive, sorry, vdeqemu -net vde,vlan=0 -net nic,vlan=0,macaddr=52:54:00:00:EE:02 -m 1024 -localtime -hda slackware.img [07:53] never used vde, but in qmeu you normally do a -redir tcp:HOSTPORT::GUESTPORT [07:53] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [07:53] and you usually need to run it as root to get -redir to work afaict [07:53] camarade_Tux : serious about python? [07:53] zoran119: if you want to have it so the vm looks like its another machine on the network, you're doing it the wrong way. [07:54] dive: ah ok... that's like a port forward [07:54] slackytude: really, you have to ! http://www.flickr.com/photos/bees/2420330428/in/set-72157601469592082/ [07:54] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.16.27) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:54] slackytude: see the girl? she's a python programmer :D [07:54] spook: how should i do it [07:54] zoran119, yeah it forwards the port to guest [07:54] using a tap interface, iirc. [07:54] Camarade_Tux : how much programming do you know now? [07:55] spook: vde uses tap [07:55] alisonken1: C, C++, shell, ocaml, ahk :D [07:55] zoran119: but not the way you're invoking qemu, from the looks of it [07:56] look at "Python for C Programmers" [07:56] alisonken1: and a bit of python, ruby, haskell, perl, ..., it's only for the girl that I want to learn more python :D [07:56] Zaba_ (n=zaba@about/goats/billygoat/zaba) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [07:57] camarade_tux: pretty easy language, all you really need is to look at the docs and possibly view some of the python sources in /usr/lib/python* [07:57] spook: ... vdeqemu -net vde,vlan=0 is what i'm doing.... what should it be like? [07:57] I even found a way for a python program to background itself and scan for a tty to output error info to [07:57] (one of our interns wrote something that was interesting :) ) [07:57] alisonken1: yeah, what I don't like about pythong* is that blocks are delimited by indent and the lack of static type-checking [07:58] static typing can sometimes be an issue, but the spaces make it easier to to back and review your code once you get used to it [07:58] zoran119: something like qemu -net tap,etc [07:59] alisonken1: what I love in ocaml is that block are delimited by meaning, no need to worry about indent (although my indent is very strict) and no need to bother about parentheses either ;) [07:59] and static typing catches a *lot* of bugs :) [07:59] zoran119: did you check http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:vde&s[]=vdeqemu#example_scripts [08:00] camerade_tux: you can also go through http://www.pythonchallenge.com/ [08:00] as far as static typing - it's not as hard as you think to name your variables properly to keep track of them [08:01] dynamic typing is horrible :P [08:01] shthed (i=shthed@203-206-73-110.dyn.iinet.net.au) joined ##slackware. [08:01] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:01] dynamic typing isn't that bad :) [08:02] alisonken1: you don't know type inference: "let a = [1;2;3]" is *strongly* and *statically* typed as "int list" :) [08:02] it also makes it easier to link variables to functions as well [08:02] all automatic :) [08:02] slackbuilds.org | http://slackwar [08:02] 12:54 « spook» using a tap interface, iirc. [08:02] 12:54 « alisonken1» Camarade_Tux : how much programming do you know now? [08:02] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [08:02] Channel flood from dive -- kicking [08:02] oops [08:02] dive kicked from ##slackware by slackboy: flood [08:02] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [08:02] heh [08:02] what's with the semicolons? doesn't look like a python list to me [08:02] dynamic typing is nice for strings imho but not much more [08:02] middle click ftw [08:02] alisonken1: nah, that's ocaml ;) [08:03] <- should nick as OCamlTroll :) [08:03] python - a = [1, 2, 3] <-- no strings or other coercion makes those numbers map to integers [08:03] except that I don't like camlcase [08:03] ##slackware: mode change '+o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:04] Topic changed on ##slackware by alienBOB!n=alien@about/slackware/alienBOB: Guidelines: http://tinyurl.com/3kox9k | http://slackbook.org | http://slackwiki.org | http://slackbuilds.org | http://slackware.com/getslack | This Channel has Public Logs | http://freenodeslack.blogspot.com/ | http://slackwaregallery.org | Slackware 12.2 Released December 9, 2008 | Use a torrent: http://slackware.com/getslack/torrents.php | Security: ghostscript,dhcp,firefox,bind | -current is now 13.0rc1 | new official port: ARMedslack [08:04] oh, sexy :) [08:04] ##slackware: mode change '-o alienBOB' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [08:04] what's really fun would be to make an array hold vairables as well as functions and objects at the same time ;) [08:04] talkd about getting yourself confused - and python would let you do it as well [08:04] alisonken1: but static typing can catch a lot of bugs [08:04] do I sense deja vu? [08:04] :) [08:05] type T = Array of int array | Int of int [08:05] static typing is needed for some languages because their constructs make them hard to catch [08:06] alienBOB: hi eric, i did. i'm using the rc.vdenetwork script [08:06] here you go: let a = [ Array [|1;2;3|]; Int 1; Int 2; Int 3; Array [|4;5;6|] ] [08:06] yep - that would work (with language construct differences) as well in python [08:06] a = [ [1,2,3], 1, 2, 3, [1,2,3] ] [08:06] ocaml has that advantage of being compiled though ;) [08:07] python byte compiles only when there's a change to the source, otherwise it's pretty quick after the first iteration [08:07] have pattern-matching? [08:07] right but ocaml is still faster ;) [08:07] re as well as a whole module dedicated to pattern matching as well as ways to load the system shared pattern matching library [08:08] http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=all&lang=ocaml&lang2=python&box=1 ;p [08:08] when you're talking nanosecond differences, who cares? not to mention it's easier to modify/run/verify without having to go through the ocmpile phase [08:09] but the compile phases catches bug in ocaml :) [08:09] but then, if you want to date a python programmer, what's the difference? :) [08:09] pattern-matching is part of the core language in ocaml, no module and nice syntax, what is the syntax in pythong? [08:09] alisonken1: ='( [08:09] s/difference/argument/ [08:10] python is pretty much almost all modularized - also makes it easier to add core functionality as well [08:10] alisonken1: I'll convert here to ocaml! errr, no, functionnal programming, I'll make a new copy of her using ocaml >< [08:10] usus12jari (n=duodenum@125.163.58.141) joined ##slackware. [08:11] use haskell [08:11] camarade_tux: http://docs.python.org/howto/regex.html [08:11] never! [08:11] since python 2.5, re became part of core python and not a separate module [08:11] play frag, the fps made in haskell [08:12] Confusid (n=Confusid@70-4-59-253.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: SendQ exceeded [08:12] alisonken1: in ocaml I'm using a module that provides pattern-matching over regexps and statically checks the regexps :P [08:14] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.1.108) joined ##slackware. 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[08:23] adeodatus (n=RF@92.84.1.108) left irc: "Leaving" [08:23] shthed (i=shthed@unaffiliated/kingidle) left irc: Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable) [08:24] Camarade_Tux, course! python community is awash with female coders with l33t skillz who are sadly hindered in the progress to the nirvana of python by their frequent photo sessions [08:26] SlackNeo_ (n=SlackNeo@190.176.140.183) joined ##slackware. [08:28] slackytude: thanks! remember our little benchmark where python was faster at first and I made it much faster? I can use the same things for the programming languages shootout :D [08:28] slackytude: lol :p [08:28] hi all [08:29] timahvo1 (n=rogue@41.223.57.75) left irc: "leaving" [08:29] hi grazymax [08:29] hey [08:29] Camarade_Tux, yeah, I remeber. It was great [08:29] CyberS0nic (n=CyberS0n@201.47.103.50) left irc: Remote closed the connection [08:30] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. 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[09:14] Hey guys in slackware when you start KDE where does the ssh-agent get started from - which file ? [09:17] dusty_, ssh-agent? [09:17] you mean gpg-agent? [09:18] decar (i=decaar@83.176.236.204) left irc: "- nbs-irc 2.39 - www.nbs-irc.net -" [09:21] slava_dp: the file that starts the ssh-agent utility.. not sure what gpg-agent is.. [09:21] kde doesn't start ssh-agent for you [09:21] unless _you_ did _something_ [09:23] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [09:25] no u [09:26] ananke: ok cool how does ssh-agent start then ? [09:27] wtf is ssh-agent? [09:28] CtrlAltCa (n=fabio@93.37.157.116) joined ##slackware. [09:30] dusty_: are you ssh'd into something currently? [09:31] john_dee (n=id@93-81-136-102.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: "link closed" [09:34] thrice`: nope [09:34] thrice`: i can be tho.. [09:35] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [09:38] Camarade_Tux, hello man !! [09:38] hello everybody [09:39] yo fredoslack :) [09:40] Camarade_Tux, slackware-current + xfce :} [09:41] srepfler (n=thisisno@88-149-135-51.staticnet.ngi.it) joined ##slackware. [09:41] hi, I'm new to slackware, how can I quickly install sshd on my box? [09:42] and how do I check the slack version on the system [09:42] cat /etc/slackware-version [09:42] srepfler, i don't know [09:42] ok 10.2.0 [09:42] srepfler, it's old :( [09:42] and usually sshd is installed unless you chose not to [09:42] very old [09:42] :p [09:43] its an old box [09:43] _very_ old [09:43] right [09:43] it's install [09:43] ed [09:43] srepfler, download the 12.2 ;) [09:43] how do I start services? [09:43] srepfler, you should be able to find the ssh package on the slackware package browser [09:43] /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd start [09:43] thx [09:43] fredoslack: I read something like "kubuntu" *cough*, is that right? :o [09:44] you may need to chmod +x /etc/rc.d/rc.sshd first [09:44] Camarade_Tux, i don't understant cough :( [09:44] d * [09:44] fredoslack: wordreference.com/enfr/cough [09:44] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) joined ##slackware. [09:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [09:45] where does the ssh-agent get started from in slackware 12 ? [09:45] to do keychainning and all that.. [09:45] Camarade_Tux, yes i'am agree [09:45] I still run slackware 9 on my server ... Maybe I should take the time to upgrade.... *thinking* =P [09:45] i prefer ubuntu [09:45] Action: Camarade_Tux slaps fredoslack [09:45] for your own good :) [09:46] Camarade_Tux, or KDE with Slack :p [09:46] LinuxEA, s/upgrade/reinstall/ :) [09:47] fredoslack: watch what you say :p [09:47] slava_dp: =) I know... but I'm too lazy. Mt server is located 45km away so if something would break is a looooong drive :P [09:47] thats what you got remote hands for [09:47] =) [09:47] Camarade_Tux, j'ai du mal avec l'anglais snif [09:47] wot? [09:48] i will need 100 years to speack better [09:48] is anglais sniff? english cold? [09:48] :( [09:48] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.6) joined ##slackware. [09:48] toytoy (n=dindin@unaffiliated/toytoy) left irc: Connection timed out [09:51] anyone? [09:52] wut? =) [09:52] ssh-agent [09:52] this is an old box running some services [09:52] is it sposed to start like a service then? [09:52] Action: slava_dp doesn't have a clue. [09:52] thanks a bunc! [09:52] srepfler (n=thisisno@88-149-135-51.staticnet.ngi.it) left ##slackware. [09:52] I think it's auto but no idea how [09:53] I am going to make photos of snakes [09:53] bye bye everybody :) [09:54] bb [09:54] Action: slava_dp is going to tell the snakes to make photos of fredoslack [09:54] I hope to return living lol [09:54] lool slava_dp [09:55] Some photos of France >> http://www.premiumorange.com/fredoslack/ [09:56] Toto runs away by running :p [09:56] bye =) [09:56] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "Quitte" [09:56] Action: slackytude waves [09:56] awwww [09:56] fail :) [09:56] Action: slackytude nods [09:56] dive: it is auto but i'm not sure where its called.. in UBuntu its called in Xsession so that when you open new terminals it works.. [09:57] hmm [09:57] grep ssh-agent .??* [09:57] we get a new coffee machine! [09:58] w00t [09:58] alice_c (n=alice@78-105-168-173.zone3.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [09:58] dusty_, looks like .xinitrc but quite why X starts it I don't see [09:58] slackytude, what's her name? [10:01] tooly (n=tooly@e178134053.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [10:02] shyko (n=chatzill@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [10:02] slackytude: thanks again, ocaml might become the fastest implementation for http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/u64q/benchmark.php?test=regexdna&lang=all :P [10:02] dive, no name yet, still selling the old one [10:02] Camarade_Tux, gratz [10:03] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [10:03] hi folks [10:03] Sony has released internal software from imageworks as BSD [10:03] slava_dp: that dont find anything ? [10:04] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: "Lost terminal" [10:05] anyone using -current+intel video driver? [10:05] http://opensource.imageworks.com/ [10:06] ml4711 (n=morten@0x50a5a9d6.rdnxx1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [10:07] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.166.3) joined ##slackware. [10:08] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-191.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [10:08] shyko: yep [10:08] thrice`: EXA or UXA accel method? [10:09] I actually am currently testing some updates from rworkman (http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/testing-request-xorg-in-current-yes-again-742820/ ) [10:09] but currently, UXA on my 965 chip [10:10] alisonken1 (i=4221ce08@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [10:10] how about the performance? [10:11] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [10:11] seems pretty solid for me. my laptops been up about a week (suspend/resume cycles) without restarting xorg [10:11] alisonken1 (i=4221ce08@gateway/web/freenode/session) left irc: Client Quit [10:12] I'd try robby's packages above, if you can. he's a slackware dev., fwiw ;) [10:12] is there a USB-install for Curren64 ?.. I'd like to try it on my MacBook Air until Snowleopard is launched... [10:12] alisonken1 (i=4221ce08@gateway/web/freenode/session) joined ##slackware. [10:12] LinuxEA: yep, definitely [10:12] http://slackware.oregonstate.edu/slackware64-current/usb-and-pxe-installers/ [10:12] Dominian: ping [10:12] thrice`: Thx :) [10:13] thrice`: I known [10:13] what pkgs exactly you're using? [10:14] shyko: mesa 7.5, x-server 1.6.2, and intel 2.8.x (though 2.7.1 + UXA worked OK too, but 2.8 is slightly nicer on my 965) [10:14] composite is working? [10:15] on xfce it does :) that LQ post reports that it works for many in kde4, where it might have still been broken in -current [10:15] sh0ne (n=Unknown@89.216.218.35) joined ##slackware. [10:15] oddsock (n=oddsock@w24-39-117-242-80-static.broadband.blic.net) left irc: "Leaving." [10:15] ok [10:15] thrice`: you use composite with xfce? [10:16] any extra-parameter in xorg.conf? [10:16] I don't have any xorg.conf any longer; I did have a very minor one on intel 2.7.1, just to enable UXA. But, since it's the default on 2.8, I simply removed xorg.conf [10:17] ok [10:17] sh0ne (n=Unknown@89.216.218.35) left irc: Client Quit [10:17] thanx [10:17] :D [10:17] are you having trouble, or just curious? [10:18] beatzz (n=beatzz@97-115-167-17.spkn.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [10:18] looking for a better performance in my laptop [10:19] the trend seems to be, the newer the components, the better stuff works [10:20] Except when it doesn't. [10:20] :) [10:20] :) [10:20] Dominian: you interested in trying a new evdev release to see if your mouse woes are fixed? The ChangeLog mentions something that sounds like it might help [10:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [10:22] rworkman: true, but if it's broke on mesa 7.5, eg, it's probably broke on 7.4 :> [10:22] and .3 [10:22] thrice`, that sounds nice [10:23] thrice`: no doubt there. :) [10:23] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [10:24] is that the mensa with the gallium thingy? [10:24] macavity treid to explain yesterday [10:24] Im so not having a glue about graphics developtment [10:24] gallium isn't used in anything yet [10:24] right [10:25] slackytude: glue, huh? [10:25] but its part of future mensa [10:25] alisonken1, O_o [10:25] clue ^-^ [10:25] :) [10:25] the EXA/UXA stuff is for 2D, which the intel driver does. the "gallium" framework is for 3D stuff, which is a re-write of mesa [10:25] rworkman: hrm.. it won't be today [10:26] k [10:26] rworkman: Unfortunately, to get my laptop running, I had to reinstall openSUSE on it so I could have it for work.. I'll have to make a new DVD and reinstall slack on it [10:26] Dominian: want to hear a good one? [10:26] ack [10:26] thrice`, kthx bye [10:26] alisonken1: sure [10:26] what intel drivers you'd recommend for my 945? theres a bunch of them in extra/ and the one present on current turn the things a lot slow [10:26] our office got banned from freenode last night [10:26] hehe [10:26] alisonken1: uhh [10:26] Action: Dominian checks [10:27] one of our guys emailed kline about it, but still waiting to hear back [10:27] lol, that stardict is the shit [10:27] guax: http://slackware.com/~rworkan/xorg-temp/ [10:27] er [10:27] 404 [10:27] =D [10:27] alisonken1: ummm I see why it was klined [10:27] guax: http://slackware.com/~rworkman/xorg-testing/ [10:28] alisonken1: incoming PM [10:28] alisonken1: was it an employee or a temp or what?? [10:28] dominian: does the web client do pm? [10:28] rworkman, thanks [10:28] you get that? 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[12:34] find a bible printed in 1853 at a local thrift store; bought it for 25 cents.us [12:34] found [12:34] Camarade_Tux: oh man, that is hot! I hope you can cool off and have a few malt beverages:) [12:34] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [12:34] hey.. how i can mount my mp3 player /samsung s3/ in slackware --current? [12:34] http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/street-urinal-makes-public-peeing-practical/ [12:35] i already piss in the street [12:35] wtf [12:35] zaltekk: elvis doesn't have an ex mode, maybe? (guessing) [12:35] hitest: actually I'm leaving this place very soon so I need to clean everything so the fridge is almost empty ='( [12:35] oh, wait, it does [12:35] ex ~= : mode [12:35] "elvis -e" or symlink elvis -> ex [12:36] Camarade_Tux: relocating to another city, country? [12:36] KannabiQ (n=FreeBSD@217.124.215.34) joined ##slackware. [12:36] hi [12:36] hitest: nope, was too expensive and not good enough ;) [12:36] ll: sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/tmp ? [12:36] or something along that [12:37] zaltekk: you ought to link vim to vi and forget about elvis anyway, vim is better [12:37] Camarade_Tux: ah. hope the move is smooth, uneventful [12:37] hitest: I still have to find where I'm going :D [12:37] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Connection timed out [12:37] :) [12:37] zaltekk: on -current 64-bit: $ ls -l `which ex` [12:38] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 3 2009-07-12 23:00 /usr/bin/ex -> vim* [12:38] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) joined ##slackware. [12:38] Urchlay: aye. it just seems like the defaults should be more sane. [12:38] (I didn't do that, that's how it got installed) [12:38] yep. but vi was installed pointing to elvis [12:38] although ex and vi _should_ start the same program [12:38] hi, can anyone help me with a usb audio card that gets index =0 [12:38] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-128-245.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [12:39] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) joined ##slackware. [12:40] I tried to make the onboard audio load as index 0 using the /etc/asound.conf [12:40] greetings...finally from my slackbox ... :) yeyeyeyey [12:40] but it doesnt work any longer [12:40] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-119-177-81.pools.spcsdns.net) joined ##slackware. [12:40] Nick change: GATT0 -> G4tt0 [12:40] zaltekk: the vi symlink is made by the vim package IF /usr/bin/vi doesn't exist [12:40] hows things in slackworld? [12:40] hiya Camarade_Tux [12:40] zaltekk: if you skip installing elvis, the symlink will point to vim [12:41] yoyo The-Croupier, how's it going? [12:41] stew a friggen ass [12:41] Camarade_Tux: okay. but going with the recommended default of installing everything causes vi and ex to use different vi clones, which i don't think is very proper. however, i guess it isn't really a big deal. [12:41] zaltekk: well, on my -current64 box, vi and ex are both linked to vim, but now that I think of it, I had to link vi -> vim myself [12:42] zaltekk: I think the vi symlink is more for emergency so you always have an editor even when almost everything is fscked up [12:42] Camarade_Tux: great today.. its friday... i have work==ill get paid.. ;) gf is back==getting sex [12:42] everything seems good [12:42] zaltekk: there's also a "view" symlink, which points to vim (I didn't do that myself), but I dunno if elvis is smart enough to run in read-only mode if invoked as "view" [12:43] yourself? [12:43] Urchlay: there are quite a few vi-related symlinks. it seems that vi is the only one to point to elvis. [12:43] The-Croupier: girlfriend back and you have money, she'll want presents, watch out! [12:43] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [12:44] evim: the symlink we should get rid of [12:44] I'm just getting to the chapter in Learning the Vi and Vim Editors that deals with the differences between vim, elvis, nvi, and vile. [12:45] zaltekk: does it say not to bother with the last 3? [12:45] manwichmakeameal (n=tjones@173-119-177-81.pools.spcsdns.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [12:45] aren't nvi and vile like *old*? [12:45] sahko: it has parts of the book about all four, but vim has the largest section. like i said, i am about to start reading that part. [12:45] Camarade_Tux: she already got her present ;) [12:46] heh, for a more festive atmosphere, you could also install "traditional vi", which is the original closed-source vi from solaris, made open source and ported to linux. It sucks worse than elvis :) [12:46] she wasnt agreeing much though..but anyway... she was saying no...ah no ... no all the time [12:46] actually vile had a release not that long ago [12:46] The-Croupier: was the present you? :P [12:46] if you want a Vi Like Emacs use emacs in viper mode [12:46] objorn (n=safar@unaffiliated/objorn) joined ##slackware. [12:46] I don't know what "sucks" about elvis. I've been using it to follow the entire book so far. Maybe after using the extra features in vim I will think differently. [12:47] Camarade_Tux: some part of it [12:47] how do you control where a program is installed? through make install? [12:47] how do you handle programs which are retrieved via git? [12:47] configure, generally [12:48] and where you get the app doesn't matter [12:48] hi straterra [12:48] Make a package [12:48] Hello [12:48] zaltekk: imho, extra keys, it will revert back to edit mode when you press HOME or PGUP for instance [12:48] zaltekk: elvis is functional enough, vim's just a lot more featureful. Mess with them both... [12:48] objorn: you make a slackbuild for it :p [12:49] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7775D.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [12:49] straterra: http://www.sexyandfunny.com/image_gallery/random-photos-76_38554_41125_full.html [12:49] Did you do that? ;-) [12:50] Camarade_Tux, but i cant see it on fstab ... [12:50] \O/ [12:50] rworkman: yes! [12:50] Action: thrice` avoids clicking at work [12:50] elvis seems like it is closer to the original vi so i am using it while learning vi itself, and then i'll be using vim while reading part2 of the book that deals with vim [12:50] anal sex is actually extremely fun [12:50] rworkman: lol! :p [12:50] thrice`: you can, it's only text [12:51] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [12:51] ll: *YOU* write the fstab so it's normal it's not there [12:51] raw__ (n=ilove@p5487489C.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [12:52] straterra: lol. [12:52] hmm [12:52] which version of slackware comes with KDE4? [12:52] hi guys, running slack64-current... having trouble with more than one program accessing sound card at once.. had this issue before... can anyone point me in the right direction please? [12:52] slackware-current [12:52] Nick change: phrag_ -> phrag [12:53] phrag: in kde? [12:53] phrag: it was something about alsa [12:53] grekkos: 13.0 will, but it doesn't exist yet [12:53] yeah mate [12:53] is there a torrent available for slackware current? I'm only seeing 12.2 [12:53] grekkos: slackware-current [12:53] or is that from a repository [12:53] Camarade_Tux, so i can mount it ? [12:53] grekkos: uh. yeah [12:53] Hrm, I think there's a way to tell the audio backend to use alsa ; I don't recall the exact process :/ [12:54] ll: if you give do that with root privileges and point to the proper device in /dev, yes [12:54] rworkman: i'll have a look, thanks [12:54] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.72) joined ##slackware. [12:54] spook: where can I find it? slackware's website is a little difficult to navigate [12:54] grekkos: any mirror that mirrors slackware-current [12:54] alkos333 (n=alkos333@c-98-193-57-38.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [12:54] grekkos: all i did was rsync -current and run the mkiso script [12:54] If Slackware 13 isn't out when my netbook arrives..Linux isn't going on it [12:55] straterra: !!!! [12:55] straterra: 12.2 and 12.1 worked quite well on my eeepc [12:55] i just built an i7 nehalem box... slack64 was straight on =) [12:55] phrag: how much did it cost btw? [12:55] I'm not getting an eeepc [12:56] I'm getting the new HP 5101 that just came out this month..hasn't even been released to public yet [12:56] Mine is one of the first orders \O/ [12:56] straterra: Pentium i7 920 2.6GHz was 190GBP (~$100) [12:56] Someone should paint a penis on the wheelchair people: http://www.sexyandfunny.com/image_gallery/random-photos-76_38554_41114_full.html [12:56] straterra: whats in it? [12:57] phrag: perhaps..but its not portable [12:57] what's not, my massive box? [12:57] spook: n280, 2gb, 320gb hdd, wireless n, gigabit, 97% full size kb, etc etc [12:57] too true... good job i don't move off my arse much >< [12:57] Man-erg (n=meck@93-40-130-207.ip38.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:57] draft n. [12:57] webcam, three usb [12:57] is it firmware upgradable? [12:57] Yes [12:58] sounds like my eeepc, with a slightly better processor, slightly more ram, and a power chugging hdd i assume? [12:58] or ssd? [12:58] 7200rpm [12:58] its not too bad [12:58] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [12:58] I might replace it with a 256gb sdd [12:59] what about the motherboard chipset? [12:59] phrag: 100 dollars and 190 pounds? or the other way round? :P [12:59] if I find the battery life cumbersome [12:59] form factor? [12:59] GN40 [12:59] 10"...or maybe 10.1? [12:59] my eeepc's chipset chugs power like a bitch. [12:59] happy sysadmin day [12:59] is it? [12:59] wow. [12:59] sahko (n=grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: "leaving" [13:00] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) joined ##slackware. [13:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:00] Action: slackytude nods [13:00] spook: http://apcmag.com/first-look-hps-mini-5101-business-class-netbook.htm [13:00] last friday of july [13:00] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) joined ##slackware. [13:00] that time of year already [13:00] http://www.sysadminday.com/ [13:00] 95%, not 97 [13:03] I'm glad it comes with Vista too [13:03] vista on a netbook. lol. [13:03] Better than XP [13:03] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Client Quit [13:04] i'll just stop talking now. [13:04] xsamurai (n=munki@pool-71-106-233-110.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: "Leaving." [13:04] http://www.onsale.com/ttsvr/p/HP-Netbooks/product~dpno~7868660~pdp.fgdgijd [13:04] That's my config [13:04] Not buying it from them..but yeah [13:05] buy from amazon, you can get windows xp refund :) [13:05] bbl [13:08] rworkman: to test the theorey i'm going to try in differ WM, brb [13:08] cityLights1 (n=cityLigh@bzq-84-108-42-233.cablep.bezeqint.net) left irc: "Leaving" [13:08] laterz hitest :) [13:09] straterra, going with win7? [13:09] No [13:09] I've no reason to [13:09] vista is slow enough for him. [13:09] Comes with Vista Business/XP Pro [13:09] Vista isn't slow [13:10] it's definitely not as fast as slackware :) [13:10] Err...yeeeaaaah [13:10] Vista x64 is faster than x86_64 linux on my workstation [13:10] hes lying! get him! [13:10] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [13:11] I thought we had already solved that matter [13:12] I'd run Vista over XP any day of the week [13:12] tought choice [13:12] though [13:12] Not for me [13:13] More efficient memory handling, better threading, viable 64-bit path.. [13:13] znuzzy (n=mike@cpe-74-77-18-63.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] Sane ipv6 support [13:13] Where is the crontab file [13:13] run crontab -e [13:13] Quiznos (i=1000@unaffiliated/quiznos) left irc: Client Quit [13:13] uses default editor. [13:13] vi by default default [13:14] crontab -l > ~/file_is_here [13:14] /var/spool/cron [13:14] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: No route to host [13:15] Lord_Khelben (n=null@adsl28-131.kav.forthnet.gr) joined ##slackware. [13:16] did you cheat and read the man page? [13:17] hello everyone [13:19] mindbendr (n=neveraga@82.196.231.29) left irc: "Lost terminal" [13:21] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [13:21] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [13:21] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [13:22] I do not see where "file_is_here" , a crontab file is here " /var/spool/cron/crontabs" [13:22] http://www.ucc.asn.au/~dictator/song/ << we decided completely banning the freshmen from singing was too harsh, so we gave them a webpage of the song they are allowed to sing that hour [13:23] however we chose really obscure ones [13:23] file_is_here would be a new file that is created or overwitten from the redirection of the output of "crontab -l" [13:23] srecko: using crontab -l > ~/file_is_here [13:23] srecko: it will be in your homedir. [13:23] the correct way to edit the crontab however, is to use crontab -e [13:24] if he wants to edit it :) [13:24] crontab -l is for looking at it [13:24] man crontab [13:25] I watched, but not seen. Yes, there is [13:25] srecko: WHAT? [13:26] I hear you but Im not listening lol [13:26] "file_is_here" file [13:26] what do you want to do with the crontab file? [13:27] more to the point, what are you trying to do in general? [13:28] objorn (n=safar@unaffiliated/objorn) left ##slackware ("part"). [13:29] Agiofws (n=Agiofws@athedsl-434170.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:31] Arno[Slack]`Work (n=adupuis@LPuteaux-156-16-101-23.w80-12.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [13:32] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. 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[13:43] paissad-hp (n=paissad@108.160.66-86.rev.gaoland.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:43] mintee: did you try using ctrl +v and ctrl + L [13:43] though I don't know for sure if it will accept it [13:44] grekkos: seems like it does, thanks [13:44] what's the CTRL-V? [13:45] it allows you to write the next control character [13:45] Action: mintee imprints that into his brain. [13:45] thanks much [13:45] that's what I use in vim to replace bad line terminators [13:45] egrep probably takes octal escapes too [13:47] and what's that? [13:47] extended grep [13:47] sort of [13:47] e.g. \014 would be octal for decimal 12, which is the ASCII code of a ctrl-L character [13:47] no, an octal escape [13:47] gotcha [13:48] apparently I'm wrong and egrep doesn't use them [13:48] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [13:48] duh >_< [13:48] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [13:51] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [13:53] knightvn (n=chatzill@static-96-226-59-205.dllstx.dsl-w.verizon.net) left ##slackware. [13:54] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "WeeChat 0.2.6.1" [13:55] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:56] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [13:56] deadx_ (n=asd@20150037123.user.veloxzone.com.br) joined ##slackware. [13:56] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: "Leaving" [13:56] deadx_ (n=asd@20150037123.user.veloxzone.com.br) left irc: Client Quit [13:57] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [14:01] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:03] i have slackware installed from just the first cd , because i only had one cd i planned to get a full system with slackpkg but gettting x server to work is a problem im getting a can not load default font "fixed" any ideas on what i have to download ? [14:03] did you install all packages from the x/ series ? [14:04] the package is font-misc-misc [14:04] Lord_Khelben: i don't think so [14:04] Lord_Khelben: thanks ill try that [14:04] you don't think so that you installed the whole x/ series ? [14:05] yep, misc-misc [14:05] Lord_Khelben: yeah like i said i just used slackpkg and i only installed with the first cd and i don't know what packages are included in x/ [14:05] (don't ask how I know it, it hurt a lot) [14:05] Camarade_Tux: hehe :P [14:05] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:05] Camarade_Tux: you grep-ed fonts.alias ? :) [14:06] ok gonna try it [14:06] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:06] Lord_Khelben: *cough* trial and *cough* error, lots of errors *cough* [14:06] deco: you can visit a ftp mirror and see what packages belong to the x/ series adn slackpkg them [14:06] dive (n=diverse@82-43-220-252.cable.ubr01.craw.blueyonder.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [14:06] maybe there is a quicker way but i don't speak slackpkg [14:07] rsync /x/ [14:07] then use the install-packages.sh script in the /x/ directory [14:07] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [14:11] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:11] did not work :-( [14:11] maybe the font caches didn't regenerate [14:11] Lord_Khelben: should i reboot ? [14:12] not necessarily [14:12] run as root pkgtool go to setup [14:12] then run 04.mkfontdir and [14:12] 05.fontconfig [14:12] then restart X [14:13] Lord_Khelben: ok thanks [14:13] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [14:13] hm why did he leave [14:13] shadey_ (i=abcd@host81-135-117-72.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. 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[14:20] The-Croupier (n=ksandros@unaffiliated/thecroupier/x-363548) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:20] weird. it should work [14:21] Lord_Khelben: yeah :\ i guess it doesn't work because i didn't install everything from x/ well i don't even know what's included there because im just using slackpkg [14:22] if you installed the font-misc-misc package it should be enough [14:22] Lord_Khelben: maybe i installed something that's making it not work ? [14:24] deco: ftp://ftp.ntua.gr/pub/linux/slackware/slackware-12.2/slackware/x/ this is the list of packages [14:24] every .tgz you see there is a package [14:24] Lord_Khelben: thank you :-) [14:28] Lord_Khelben: is there a way to make slackpkg install everything from x automatically ? [14:29] i don't know [14:29] deco: slackpkg install x ? [14:29] BP{k}: let me try [14:30] anyone got dosbox to compile/run? sbo is spitting out weird errors, and i can't work out what dependencies, if any, i need :( [14:30] From slackpkg(8) [it's a real good read!!!] PATTERN can be a package name or just part of package name. It can also be a software series (like kde, a, ap, ...). [14:30] BP{k}: yeah it worked it's installing everything from x/ thanks! :-) [14:30] yesyes: post errors instead of "it doesn't work" [14:30] deco: of course it does. ;-) [14:30] :P [14:31] ok ok [14:31] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-149.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [14:31] yesyes: it doesn't require any dependencies other than those that are in slackware. [14:31] error messages are just a bit weird, that's all... [14:31] yesyes: 0.72 works fine on slackware 12.2. [14:32] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:41ff:fe56:d92e) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [14:32] yesyes: pastebin them [14:32] Action: yesyes waits for it to recompile [14:32] Action: agentc0re|work needs beer [14:32] i can't believe i forgot my flask today.. [14:34] see folks; this is where asking the right question is invaluable. If yesyes had done his homework properly, or had any clue, his question would have looked like: "< yesyes> Hi folks, I am trying to compile dosbox $VERSION on slackware-$VERSION. I am seeing the following errors , I have googled, but so far I have been inconclusive. Has anybody perhaps any pointers or ideas?" [14:34] cmair (n=cmair@host54-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [14:34] [14:35] BP{k}: looks like you need one too. [14:35] it also worked on -current [14:35] Thank you all for listening, I'll be here all week. :) [14:35] i haven't compiled it yet on 64bit but on 32bit -current it worked fine [14:36] Lord_Khelben: o course it works on -current :) [14:36] yeah of course it works :) i just saw your 12.2 comment and i thought to mention it [14:36] Action: BP{k} has build 0.73 on 64 and 32. ;) [since I am the maintainer] [14:37] agentc0re|work: kethry bought me a Duvel for tonight :D [14:37] guys, dosbox doesn't work [14:37] Action: BP{k} stabs thrice` [14:37] Action: agentc0re|work prepares the popcorn [14:37] BP{k}: NICE! [14:37] Action: Lord_Khelben casts protection from normal weapons on thrice` :P [14:37] antiwire: http://science.slashdot.org/story/09/07/31/1244235/Fewer-Than-10-ET-Civilizations-In-Our-Galaxy?from=rss [14:38] Action: BP{k} casts bigger fish./ [14:38] well we can't leave him without beer on this day of all days... [14:39] xps9000 (i=xps9000@uzer.undernet.biz) joined ##slackware. [14:39] kware [14:39] xps9000 (i=xps9000@uzer.undernet.biz) left ##slackware ("Ex-Chat"). [14:39] wow.... [14:39] nice :) [14:39] guess the short bus made an unexpected stop. :) [14:40] finally, http://pastebin.com/m7657c2d8 [14:40] and sorry for my informality BP{k} ;) [14:42] yesyes: it's not about being informal (which is really not the correct word anyway), it's providing people here with enough information to help you. Which Slackware-version are we talking about here? [14:43] -current [14:45] does ff 3.5.1 freeze up when uploading a large file via a flash uploader? [14:45] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [14:45] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [14:46] slackytude (n=slacky@p54A7775D.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:46] KannabiQ (n=FreeBSD@217.124.215.34) left irc: "leaving" [14:46] lvh (n=lvh@83.101.78.68) joined ##slackware. [14:46] for anyone else, that is [14:46] the flash freezes [14:47] yeah, and freezes ff along with it [14:48] well, from the looks of the network traffic, it seems to be uploading [14:48] kethry: You're such a good wife! :D [14:50] deco: did it work ? [14:50] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [14:51] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) joined ##slackware. [14:51] Billtoo (n=Billtoo@bas4-unionville55-1176016927.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [14:52] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-191.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [14:52] echelon: Definitely, I see that behaviour in flash but not Java. [14:53] time for drastic measures [14:53] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) left irc: "= gone" [14:55] any browser plugin can lock up firefox [14:55] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [14:55] flash is the king of all others for this :P [14:55] apropos, my ff crashes while going fullscreen with any flash [14:55] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [14:55] and works fine with opera [14:56] grrrr i give up lol it did not work even after installing everything from x/ [14:56] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [14:56] still said could not open default font "fixed" [14:56] firefox doesnt sandbox plug-in well enough [14:56] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] same goes for javascript [14:56] spook: does it even _try_ to? [14:56] first time seeing it on slackware [14:56] Camarade_Tux: i think to some extent yes. [14:57] spook: well, it's really uneffective then [14:57] seems that i have to build it myself [14:57] winterx: nvidia? [14:57] ati ;/ [14:57] well ff does ask if you want to terminate a script if it becomes unresponsive [14:58] might apply to: go into flash's preferences and disable hardware acceleration [14:58] Camarade_Tux: yup [14:58] and slack is the first distro that gave me that bug [14:58] bah, it's not a distro problem, it's flash [14:58] echelon: javascript can cause random, reproducable, consistent crashes. [14:58] deco: does "grep ^fixed /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias" say anything [14:58] no problem with it on arch ot whatever [14:58] random in that, really odd things. but its always the same things [14:58] if it was more sensitive it would be intrusive [14:58] winterx: it really is flash [14:59] maybe i just should use flash from arch repo [14:59] disable that bloddy hardware accel! you won't even notice the difference! [14:59] flash used to crash when i tried fullscreen on me too [14:59] ty, it helped :) [14:59] yesterday i tried to watch the google wave presenation and full screen worked [15:00] but.. weird [15:00] now i can watch pr0n in fullscreen on firefox!! [15:00] flash sucks, flash sucks on all platforms, all OSes, all archs [15:01] Camarade_Tux: they should have forbid it. [15:01] after more browsers implement html5, hopefully adobe will clean up their act [15:01] stybla: who? [15:02] Lord_Khelben: i got this but i think i did it wrong -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 [15:02] steiger (n=steiger@200.128.60.12) left irc: "Lost terminal" [15:02] yes thats it but it should also have a "fixed" in the beginning [15:02] Lord_Khelben: yeah it did but didn't copy it [15:02] ah ok [15:03] Lord_Khelben: fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 [15:03] Camarade_Tux: i don't care who :p [15:03] Lord_Khelben: i reinstalled xorg going to try again [15:03] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:03] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] WOOT!! http://www.sysadminday.com/index2009.html [15:04] http://it.slashdot.org/story/09/07/31/1616232/10th-Annual-System-Administrator-Appreciation-Day?from=rss [15:04] stybla: he :P [15:04] agentc0re|work: you're a sys admin, right? :D [15:04] anyway to stop eth0 from dhcping @ startup without setting it to loopback [15:04] yuppers! [15:04] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:04] Camarade_Tux: well, do you? would you? as long as it's forbidden, i don't care who made it so :p [15:04] agentc0re|work: That's my justification for doing ABSOLUTELY NO WORK today. [15:05] eviljames: I would be with you except i had a DC die on monday... [15:05] eviljames: ah, that's why i'm being lazy :p [15:05] eviljames: PDC to be exact. [15:05] agentc0re|work: sed -i -e s/*/NOTHING/ **/TODO [15:05] stybla: I'm gonna bomb adobe's headquarters -_- [15:05] oh wait, being lazy is somewhat limiting to CONST :s [15:05] Camarade_Tux: \0/ [15:06] tweettweet [15:06] Camarade_Tux: :] [15:06] Camarade_Tux: *knock* *knock* FBI! [15:06] Camarade_Tux: it was unwise to say it here, in public. now, NSA and CIA knows. [15:07] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:07] Someone the other day was mentioning something along those lines, I had to type: "holy NSAbait batman!" [15:07] stybla: bah, I don't care, I live in France -_- [15:07] Camarade_Tux: They'll contact the gendarmie! [15:07] is it ok if i paste the error that im getting here? i only have a cli so i can't get to pastbin [15:07] Action: Camarade_Tux has quit ("run!") [15:08] eviljames: the gendarmie? hmmm, you mean the gendarmettes? nice :D [15:08] deco: if its less than 4 lines you can paste it without slackboy kicking you [15:08] Lord_Khelben: oh nvm than it's like 15 lol [15:09] deco pm me [15:09] deco: try this for a moment. cd /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc [15:09] Module Loader present [15:09] Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. [15:09] ok, I plan on buying some amd phenomII X4 945 with 8GB DDR2, anyone against that? [15:09] (==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Fri Jul 31 12:06:18 2009 [15:09] (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" [15:09] (II) Module "i2c" already built-in [15:09] (II) Module "ddc" already built-in [15:09] (II) Module "ramdac" already built-in [15:09] ... wait for it, wait for it.. [15:10] Fatal server error: [15:10] could not open default font 'fixed' [15:10] oh shoot [15:10] Camarade_Tux: well, they are going to disconnect you then. [15:10] slackboy get on it!! [15:10] err [15:10] pastebin guys [15:10] Camarade_Tux: just based on presumption of crime you'd commit [15:10] ckt1g3r (n=ckt1g3r@bl4-148-191.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [15:10] Camarade_Tux: :p [15:10] deco: 1) cd /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc 2) mkfontscale . 3) mkfontdir . 4) fc-cache -fv [15:10] Lord_Khelben: No, you're step one is wrong [15:10] stybla: he, that's not a crime, the world would be a happier place! [15:11] deco: STEP 1) USE PASTEBIN!!! [15:11] this is the same that the scripts i told you before do but do it manually just incase [15:11] eh don't beat him up too much he was trying to msg me [15:11] agentc0re1: he didn't use pastebin because he doesn't have X :P [15:11] Orion: lol :p [15:11] agentc0re|work: please read what i mentioned above it was a mistake [15:11] Lord_Khelben: lynx FTW! [15:12] Lord_Khelben: ok thanks gonna try that [15:12] why don't benchmark websites time gcc compilation? I mean, *everybody* is interested in compile times! [15:12] yesyes (n=yesyes@93-96-128-85.zone4.bethere.co.uk) joined ##slackware. [15:12] Camarade_Tux: you should do it then. [15:13] deco: http://pastebin.com/m1b5dbda8 [15:13] agentc0re|work: you send me the CPUs, mobos and everything else? =) [15:13] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-110-184.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:13] BP{k}: compiled 0.73 from source fine. i'll try to compile .72 from src later and tell how i get on. [15:14] Orion: thank you very much [15:14] deco: anytime [15:14] Action: agentc0re|work sends Camarade_Tux a bomb encased in a PC [15:14] Camarade_Tux: Press the power button, i dare you! [15:14] lol [15:15] compiletimes.com is available! [15:15] agentc0re|work: I don't care about the case, I'll first get all the hardware out of it :D [15:15] agentc0re: Reminds me of Die Hard 4 [15:15] Orion: heh, ya i can see that. [15:15] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:15] yesyes: stick with 0.73. That one will end up in our repo when 13.0 goes life. [15:15] Lord_Khelben: it worked but all i got was an x curser [15:16] agentc0re|work: compiletimes.com? [15:16] deco: what command did you run ? [15:16] Lord_Khelben: Xorg [15:16] Camarade_Tux: to devote all your work to. [15:16] deco: then you are supposed to get a x cursor [15:16] agentc0re|work: oh, I had misunderstood "available", I thought a website was already up ;) [15:16] oh, hehe. [15:16] Lord_Khelben: oh hehe so it's working i assume :-D [15:16] run xinit for basing testing and startx to get working x enviroment [15:17] Camarade_Tux: :) [15:17] Lord_Khelben: thank you very very very much for your help:-D [15:17] assuming you installed the necessary wm packages [15:17] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:17] deco: the same command are run by the pkgtool scripts i mentioned [15:17] it should work then too [15:17] i don't know why it didn't [15:18] so everybody, send me your hardware and I'll benchmark gcc compile time on it -_- [15:18] BP{k}: http://noobfarm.org/?id=1621 lol [15:18] Lord_Khelben: yeah weird .... well now i have to install kde :-) [15:18] BP{k}: Whoops, wrong link. http://noobfarm.org/?id=1620 [15:19] thank you slackware peeps you guys are awesoome :-D [15:19] http://noobfarm.org/?id=1618 omfg.. hahahha [15:19] slackware isn't 64bit enough! [15:19] TClayton_ (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] lol [15:20] noooo, noobfarm not loading! [15:20] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [15:22] agentc0re|work: you broke noobfarm! [15:23] Action: agentc0re|work runs [15:23] zoran119_ (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) joined ##slackware. [15:23] agentc0re|work: the whole channel is going to be after you :p [15:23] still loads for me. [15:24] you're intertubes must be clogged. [15:24] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/noobfarm.org ='( [15:24] ^Anlinks noobfarm.org [15:24] :D [15:24] yep, working : [15:24] :p [15:24] xMDKx (n=mdkcore@nat/mandriva/session) left irc: [15:25] i'm moving to CentOS [15:25] Action: Camarade_Tux shoots maxote [15:25] for your own good :) [15:25] maxote: you going to become the lead distro maintainer? hahahha [15:26] Xires (n=Xires@66-190-79-122.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [15:26] isn't centos dead? :) [15:26] he's AWOL btw. [15:26] lmao! [15:26] lol [15:27] Doesn't have much to say to *that* now does he [15:27] eviljames: convince me not buy an amd phenomII x4 945 [15:27] Camarade_Tux: They support http://timecube.com is that good enough? [15:28] Camarade_Tux: clock speeds are based off it. [15:29] agentc0re|work: what? 0_o [15:29] cmair (n=cmair@host54-104-dynamic.51-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [15:30] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. [15:30] j0z (n=JESUS@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [15:31] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Camarade_Tux: timecube is how we divide up the 4 24hour time zones that rotate along with the earth. [15:31] TClayton (n=TClayton@nc-76-3-66-24.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:31] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) joined ##slackware. [15:31] Camarade_Tux: read the site. :) [15:31] afternoon [15:32] hello. [15:32] agentc0re|work: amd supports timecube? [15:32] evening missyjane [15:32] Camarade_Tux: Yes, they base their CPU clock speeds of a 4 24hour time rotation. [15:33] >< [15:33] Camarade_Tux: Don't buy AMD, putz. [15:33] They are not in harmony with the 4 day cube time. [15:33] eviljames: hmmm, I see [15:34] eviljames: any other reason? [15:34] btw, you're all aware it's 21:32 here and not 9:32pm, right? [15:34] It'll burst into flames and burn down your entire world. [15:34] And, btw, it's 13:32 NOT 9:32pm [15:34] Camarade_Tux: Which side of the cube are you in? [15:34] ROFLCOPTER: "The academic brainwashed mind is corruptand can't comprehend Cubic magnificence." [15:34] 21:32 [15:35] ok, I have to say I don't give a shit about timecube, probably because I live in France :) [15:35] winterx: friend :p [15:35] two countriest to the east [15:36] poland, right? ;) [15:36] Camarade_Tux: the time cube effects all my friend. it doesn't matter where you are, you will be in one of the 4 sides of the cube. [15:36] Camarade_Tux: It's because youre not educated - you're brainwashed to not see the truth. Ray GEne is a genius. [15:36] right [15:36] soon one of those to the north [15:36] Academic singularity is EVIL [15:36] Karu (n=alch@77-233-86-193.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) joined ##slackware. [15:36] zoran119 (n=zoran@154.169.233.220.static.exetel.com.au) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:36] singularity is a damnable lie, educators altered your mind you cannot think opposite of what you were taught to htink! [15:37] i think i need a coffe after that link [15:37] eviljames: We might have to cut him a little slack, i mean he is in France after all. ;) [15:37] or perhaps they make me think i need a coffe o_O [15:37] guax: LMAO [15:38] you realize timecube is about 1- america, 2- education in america, 3- america, 4- free speech in america, 5- the way america thinks about the world? [15:38] eviljames: I think that site has gotten more traffic over the last few months because of us than it did a year ago. [15:38] tell me you do, please [15:38] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.154.28) joined ##slackware. [15:38] Camarade_Tux: You realize that -1 x -1 = +1 is WRONG and stupid and evil right? [15:38] LMAO!! [15:39] eviljames: you remember I know maths? [15:39] and that I'm basically everything but uneducated? [15:40] Camarade_Tux: The educated stupid should acknowledge the natural antipods of 1 x 1 = 1 and -1 x -1 = -1 exist as plus and minus values of opposite creation - depicted by the opposite sexes and opposite hemispheres! [15:40] Action: agentc0re|work thinks Camarade_Tux thinks that we're serious... [15:40] Action: eviljames is Dr. James - cubic and 2nd wisest human [15:40] agentc0re|work: no but that website is shitty and has one of the most annoying layout [15:41] eviljames, define minus, define the x operator and define equal [15:41] guax: I don't have to, I'M BEAUTIFUL! [15:41] anyhow, bbl - food [15:41] w00o [15:41] eviljames: you mean that one is neutral in the set of naturals? [15:41] sorry, s/neutral/the neutral for multiplication/ [15:42] and it's more than just a set here but I don't know the english words [15:42] thats what your mothers says, you shouldnt trust your beautifulness in that. Mine says im beautifull too [15:42] eviljames, or perhaps the mirror is lying to me as well [15:43] so i'm hiperpretty [15:43] ³ [15:43] Seriously... I SHOUD NOT MESS WITH SUDO WHEN DRUNK... I have accidently (if you could call it that) destroyed the sudoers file and I don't have sudo-privileges when root =O ... Easy fix anyone ? [15:44] re-install sudo and start over? [15:45] good idea... I'll do that.. Hm, can't think for myself when pissed-off [15:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.172.251) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:45] Karu (n=alch@77-233-86-193.cdma.dyn.kou.ee) left ##slackware. [15:46] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Khaoz (n=khaoz@unaffiliated/khaoz) joined ##slackware. [15:52] pitombera (n=what@unaffiliated/pitombera) joined ##slackware. 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[16:01] i have slack 12 dvd not 12.2 [16:01] amd has good value for money. not so fast as i7 but decent perfomance and way cheaper than i7 [16:02] i install it configure system everything ok but damn hd4850 wont work and attansic l1 gigabit [16:02] here a decent phenom x3 costs about 350 euro while a i7 costs 650 euro [16:02] Lord_Khelben: i7 is expensive, motherboards for i7 are very expensive and i7 only takes ddr3 which is more expensive too ;) [16:02] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:79) joined ##slackware. [16:02] Lord_Khelben: WHAT? :o [16:02] the whole box i mean, cpu+mb+ram [16:02] I'm planning to buy a phenomII x4 945 and it's 150 euros! [16:02] Lord_Khelben: oh, ok :P [16:03] lvh (n=lvh@83.101.78.68) left ##slackware. [16:03] HighSpeedSteeL: your network card will need a more recent kernel than slack12's [16:03] Action: Camarade_Tux checks [16:03] tooly (n=tooly@e178134053.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: "Leaving." [16:04] yeah, I have that ethernet card too, been working for several months but I think you need at least 12.2 [16:04] hmm [16:05] slackpkg does a great job at updating slackware [16:05] shipp (n=shipp@visualserver.org) left ##slackware. [16:05] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) left irc: "goodbye" [16:05] can i update just kernel? [16:06] Jiraia (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:323) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [16:06] you probably can (but by *recompiling* it, not using slack12.2 packages) although I'm not sure [16:06] any reason you don't want to upgrade everything? [16:07] Khaoz (n=khaoz@unaffiliated/khaoz) left irc: "..." [16:07] hmm i guess im going to download 12.2 [16:07] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [16:10] ilj (n=ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:10] Camarade_Tux thx for help gn8 [16:11] HighSpeedSteeL (n=nomail@85.102.83.20) left irc: [16:11] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [16:12] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:13] euzao (n=pedro@189.38.148.55) joined ##slackware. [16:14] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:14] heh! 13 will probably be released soon after he gets 12.2 installed and tweaked to his needs & preferences [16:14] pitombera (n=what@unaffiliated/pitombera) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [16:15] Jiraia_ (n=Jiraia@2001:5c0:1400:a:0:0:0:79) left irc: Client Quit [16:16] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) joined ##slackware. [16:17] vikas_vikas_vika (n=chatzill@122.163.206.130) joined ##slackware. [16:17] buffer (i=1000@shellium/member/buffer) left irc: Client Quit [16:17] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) joined ##slackware. [16:18] Pig_Pen: :p [16:19] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:19] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [16:20] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:21] :P [16:22] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:22] Camarade_Tux, oh :) ok price then [16:23] winterx, :) hello [16:23] i just installed kde and im not getting kde's login screen to show up i already setup xwmconfig do i need to download something else ? [16:23] init 4 [16:23] what do you mean by "kde's login screen," kdm? [16:24] thrice`: yeah [16:24] then yes, init4 [16:24] deco: if you are running startx yourself, you are already logged in and kdm won't come up [16:24] init 4 * [16:24] ok thanks Pig_Pen thrice` [16:24] missyjane: it's not that much price, it price/performance ratio and amd wins for that [16:25] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [16:25] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:25] reee [16:26] and /etc/inittab will make runlevel4 the default, if you choose [16:27] srecko (n=srecko@78-1-186-107.adsl.net.t-com.hr) left irc: "Leaving." [16:28] i seriously wonder how long intel last compared to amd on shelf life [16:28] ALVAN (n=galaxy@unaffiliated/alvan) left irc: "Leaving" [16:28] buy an intel CPU and a AMD CPU and put them both on a shelf and see what one spoils first [16:29] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:30] LOL [16:30] Necrogami (n=Necrogam@unaffiliated/necrogami) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:30] i meant if i put a intel and a amd doing number crunching like einstein cruncher [16:30] which pc would die [16:30] why would one of two die ? [16:31] i7 wins almost all benchmarks but for almost 2x price of amd [16:31] i mean die as in, nothing last forever :| [16:31] lol [16:32] amd doesn't even have something to compete with the i7 [16:32] poor amd [16:32] and amd is more dependable. phenoms can be used in am2+ with just a bios upgrade [16:32] and I'm not sure I need what the i7 seems to excel at: multimedia [16:32] i am preping for the A+ test and read a section on this, intel vs amd [16:32] Action: Camarade_Tux just wants a machine that compiles fast :D [16:32] intel gets a new socket every 2 weeks [16:32] when the two fought hard it made my heart glow cause of what intel and amd would come out [16:32] remember the story of Mac computer vs Intel computer, Mac was very expensive, Intel was very cheap. [16:32] they would even add features, create stuff out of innovation [16:32] Camarade_Tux: i7 is designed to crunch a lot of data in a short amount of time. [16:33] eviljames: will you give me the extra 200 euros? :) [16:33] is that $400 in usd? [16:33] Camarade_Tux: No, just wait a little while - they'll come down in price in the next 3 months. [16:33] not true, mac changed to intel procs and they are STILL expensive :> [16:33] missyjane: more like 320 maybe :D [16:33] Intel is going to release 8-core hyperthreaded i7s in the next 3 months (according to their roadmap anyhow..) [16:33] eviljames: the i7 920 is already >7 months old [16:33] o [16:33] Camarade_Tux: I have 2 of them in this office (multimedia machines) [16:34] evil what roadmap? [16:34] Camarade_Tux: anecdotally, the artist that uses them says they're easily 3x faster than his Q6600s were. [16:34] eviljames: really, I'm not sure an i7 has such an advantage when it comes to NON multimedia apps [16:34] vikas_vikas_vika (n=chatzill@122.163.206.130) left ##slackware. [16:35] Camarade_Tux: How do you figure? The point of the i7 is to process piles and piles of data symetrically. [16:35] Action: missyjane drools at 8 cores [16:35] my 4 core already beat my p4 and dual core pcs that i have at home [16:36] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [16:36] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:36] eviljames: would you be able to measure the compile-time for gcc on the Q6600 and the i7? [16:36] So prior to the dual core, Intel put simultaneous multithreading on their Pentium 4's - hyperthreading. [16:36] THey're doing it per core on the i7. pretty neat stuff. [16:36] and that was a major failure :) [16:37] thrice`: init 4 worked! but it's only temp when i reboot it goes straight to cli oh and when i did run init 4 i got warning about DBus not having permission to run something like that ... [16:37] on the p4 that is [16:37] Camarade_Tux: only due to the way they were caching. [16:37] Camarade_Tux: That (allegedly) has been resolved. [16:37] deco: vi /etc/inittab ; edit the default runlevel. 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[16:39] missyjane: just wait until you start building it [16:39] thrice`: np :-) [16:39] lol bah [16:39] Action: missyjane stabs people in this orom [16:39] room [16:40] Action: missyjane runs with scissor [16:40] eviljames: actually I'd like some comparisons with another intel or amd machine to *roughly* estimate if the i7 has an interesting gain [16:40] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: Client Quit [16:40] Pig_Pen: on my computer it doesn't take much longer to compile it than to untar it :) [16:40] Pig_Pen: that shows how slowly it expands ;) [16:40] you must have some heavy duty hardware Camarade_Tux [16:41] Pig_Pen: laptop: the hard drive sucks :) [16:41] Camarade_Tux: http://lmgtfy/?q=core+i7+benchmark [16:41] if i ever win the lottery i will buy the biggest and best in all the land [16:41] get an IBM supercomputer [16:41] Camarade_Tux: Those have all been done ages ago [16:41] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-Core-i7-Nehalem,2057-17.html [16:42] now think that i7 is a buggy processor [16:42] Camarade_Tux: The lowest Core i7 was nearly 2x faster than the highest Phenom X4 (i7 920 vs X4 9950) [16:42] Nick change: echelon -> quackerjack [16:42] eviljames: I don't care about regular benchmarks: they benchmark using performance tools, adobe products and video compression software [16:42] Camarade_Tux, whats wrong with that? [16:42] *that*, I don't care [16:43] missyjane: nothing besides I don't care for that :) [16:43] Camarade_Tux: The test I'm talkinga bout (specifically) was Sandra 2008 Processor Arithmetik [16:43] lol [16:43] just do what i do [16:43] so, wait a sec.. you don't want objective numerical comparisons [16:43] eviljames: but it's artificial (or some word like that) [16:43] You want anecdotal, useless ones? [16:43] the failure of i7 is that it's slower in virtualization [16:43] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d75-158-165-33.abhsia.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [16:44] that I do care however :D [16:44] Camarade_Tux: Would you prefer osmething that "feels faster" or actually is? [16:45] feels faster with an objective and unbiaised feeling :D [16:46] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Success [16:46] That is a very pointless metric. [16:46] no, not if it's completely objective and unbiaised :D [16:46] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [16:47] Camarade_Tux, helo man :} [16:47] by definition feel is subjective and biased. [16:47] +l [16:48] helo manl? That still doesn't make sense... [16:48] eviljames, hello tooo :) [16:48] why windows fails, http://imagebin.org/57913 [16:48] eviljames: I know ;) [16:48] yo fredoslack [16:48] agentc0re|work: Maybe those fragmented files are rarely accessed? [16:49] that screenshot looks fake [16:49] eviljames: /shurg [16:49] Not even in the slightest. [16:49] agentc0re|work: It fails because defrag is needed at all, but that's a secondary point :D [16:49] thats my old citrix server that i'm turning into my new PDC [16:49] mintee (i=1000@72-165-177-67.dia.static.qwest.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:50] or maybe it doesn't color the bar as you'd expect [16:50] eviljames: I worked on a server that was in a condition just like that [16:50] eviljames++ [16:50] agentc0re|work: * [16:50] maybe only 1% is fragmented but that makes the whole graph red [16:51] antiwire: I'm deleting all the user dir's right now. it's taken over an hour and a half so far... and still not done. [16:51] Yey, quoting me 184 more minutes. [16:53] shadey_ (i=abcd@host81-135-117-72.range81-135.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [16:55] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-83-160.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Leaving" [16:56] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [16:57] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] is firefox 3.5 only for -current ? [16:59] deco: 32bit ? [17:00] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-172.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:00] Lord_Khelben: yeah [17:00] the 32bit firefox package is a repackage of the mozilla build [17:01] so you can use it in 12.2 [17:01] technopolic (n=intel@95.43.13.32) joined ##slackware. [17:01] I think we should go on strike: we want package nicely hand-crafted by Pat, we want him to kiss *each* package we use, we want love in our packages! -_- [17:01] but in general don't use packages from a slack release in another slack release [17:01] Lord_Khelben: so i should just stick to 3.0.12 ? :P [17:03] s0d0 (n=john@host81-141-108-149.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: "Leaving" [17:03] dakarn (n=skas@83.225.158.251) left irc: "shutdown -h" [17:04] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "leaving" [17:04] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] Nick change: quackerjack -> echelon [17:07] technopolic (n=intel@95.43.13.32) left ##slackware. [17:10] pizzledizzle (n=pizdets@pool-96-250-220-91.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Connection timed out [17:10] IceW (n=old-time@189-18-161-59.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:11] i would like see P.Volderking :} [17:11] guax (n=guaxinim@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] did is as come here ? [17:12] est-t'il venu récemment lol [17:12] do you have an appointment? [17:12] fredoslack: if you're careful and quiet in the middle of the night the occasional volkerdi shows up.. [17:13] eviljames, hi hi goood :} [17:13] thanks :) [17:13] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:13] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) joined ##slackware. [17:14] whois Guest34745 [17:14] the devil! [17:14] fredoslack: but it can be like trying to catch pere noel in a net! [17:14] he'll eat your children! [17:14] I think there are slurkers! [17:14] loool eviljames [17:14] antiwire: fire|bird maybe? [17:15] don't think so. [17:15] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) joined ##slackware. [17:19] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) left irc: "There he goes. One of God's own prototypes. Some kind of high powered mutant never even considered for mass production. Too w [17:20] novacrust (n=Crust@dhcp-0-13-10-db-a4-5d.cpe.mountaincable.net) joined ##slackware. [17:20] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) left irc: "leaving" [17:20] Kaapa_ (n=Somethin@bl11-118-134.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [17:22] Bigtfishbone (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [17:23] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:23] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [17:23] powtrix_ (n=powtrix@189-69-22-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:23] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) joined ##slackware. [17:23] Bigtfishbone (n=charlott@2704ds5-abc.0.fullrate.dk) left ##slackware. [17:24] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:26] twolf (n=twolf@unaffiliated/dwolf) joined ##slackware. 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[17:41] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-172.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [17:42] im having a problem with installing flash from slackbuilds it said that the source was different than the one instended for the script and i can't get it working [17:44] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [17:44] deco: that's a warning, not an error, but it will error out on the new version due to change in the structure of the tarball [17:45] hi all [17:46] rworkman: i think i have to change this VERSION=10.0_r22 [17:46] deco: I recommend writing the maintainer a very, VERY nasty email [17:47] deco: http://slackbuilds.org/flash-player-plugin/ <-- try that instead. :) [17:47] For everyone else, teaser alert ;-) [17:47] thrice`: is the version in the script old ? [17:48] rworkman: hehe thanks ill try it [17:48] deco: no, I was just joking becasue rworkman is the maintainer ;) [17:48] thrice`: oh lol :-) [17:48] hello [17:49] missed me? [17:49] not particularly, should we? :) [17:49] Our aim is improving though. [17:49] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl8-110-184.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [17:50] Well, it seems you don't like 24 [17:51] I think someone is slightly delusional [17:52] air is the future [17:52] Keiffer: no, I don't beat off to statist propaganda. [17:52] ? [17:52] winterx, what0s air [17:52] Hello Keiffer and thrice` :) [17:52] rworkman, that's 24 for you? [17:52] Hi [17:53] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [17:53] rworkman: yay! it worked thanks :-D [17:53] Guest49104 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:54] /etc/passwd stores login name, where in the system, does it stores first name or last name? [17:54] :) [17:54] Guest49104: same place [17:55] Action: alienBOB sneaked a flashplayer-plugin.SlackBuild into slackware64: http://slackware.osuosl.org/slackware64-current/extra/flashplayer-plugin/ [17:55] hehe [17:56] rworkman, is there another place to store login name besides /etc/passwd? [17:56] quick question.. whats the command for changing Window manager in .xinitrc from KDE to Gnome ? [17:56] Guest49104: I don't think so [17:57] alienBOB: it's out of date now though :) [17:57] well, depending on whether you check the actual library version [17:57] LinuxEA: try xwmconfig but I'm not sure you'll find gnome in the list [17:57] rworkman, i don't see firstname or last name in /etc/passwd, is it encrypted? [17:57] Guest49104: no, it's GECOS. That means you didn't add it. [17:58] Camarade_Tux: I've installed GNOME... I just need to change # startkde in to Start**** "something".. [17:58] air in general [17:58] Guest49104: chfn(1) [17:58] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [17:59] Guest49104: getent passwd will list all passwd defined for your machine [17:59] /etc/passwd is the main, but might not be the only one (nis, winbind, ldap etc) [18:00] NthDegree (n=mhare@88-107-235-165.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:00] rworkman, ltns :) [18:00] hey hey [18:01] took a little vacation, i come back and i hear all this 12.2 and 13 talk, i'm still dizzy [18:01] dangerseeker (n=dangerse@p57A8EEF1.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:02] deco (n=deco@ppp-69-233-247-133.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [18:02] higuita, getent passwd showed a lot, but /etc/passwd is like empty [18:03] ok, check the /etc/nsswitch.conf [18:03] nathanbw (n=nathan@c-71-59-8-47.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: "Leaving" [18:03] its probably there the config where the system should fetch the other login info [18:04] each line is a map source for each resource [18:06] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-92-242.flash.tv.br) joined ##slackware. [18:07] InspectorCluseau (n=Inspecto@64.238.225.38) left irc: [18:10] TL_CLD (n=TL_CLD@cpe.atm2-0-71283.banxx3.customer.tele.dk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:12] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [18:12] higuita, thx [18:13] higuita, do you know how to finger by part of last name? man finger says finger "username" [18:13] you can only finger a username [18:14] my school let me finger part of last name [18:14] you can list the valid usernames for a name: getent passwd |grep "name" [18:14] how to tell if i am running "finger" from /bin/finger or from an alias .bashrc or from a script? [18:15] whereis finger [18:15] alias [18:15] it say /bin/finger [18:15] that one is no good [18:15] i will try alias [18:16] alias will list active aliases, that can change the way finger work [18:16] no, sorry... finger -m will only match username [18:16] is there any normal reasons why a sata harddrive would be detected by the centos installer and not the slackware installer? [18:17] by slackware installer i mean generally booted from cd 1 [18:17] ee: what does fdisk -l show you ? [18:17] normal finger WILL also try to match a name (probably only work if its unique name) [18:17] from inside the slackware installer [18:17] antiwire nothing on slackware, that was my first scary sign :) [18:18] higuita, $alias did not print out any finger entries... [18:18] is not $alias, its the command alias... but read my last comment, you are right :) [18:19] higuita, i meant at the prompt, not variable $ [18:19] how to tell if finger is a script? [18:19] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [18:20] the finger i am running is not /bin/finger or alias finger, maybe a script finger... [18:20] sh0ne (n=Unknown@cable-89-216-218-35.dynamic.sbb.rs) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:20] the old system finger will match part of last name, but now they will upgrade to new system, which finger will not match part of last name [18:20] ee: dmesg | egrep -i 'hd|sd" on both slackwre and centos... it should tell you what module/driver/crontroler is missing [18:21] probably centos have a newert kernel or is patched for a wierd controller [18:21] it seems like the normal-finger command is different on both system [18:21] higuita: seems likely, it's a brand new netbook, what would be a good course of action if i were to find that to be the case? [18:21] man is your friend [18:22] in my system, man finger shows that the -m option disables the search for name (ie: enforces a valid username) [18:22] maybe in your system there is a config in /etc/* that changes that... check the man page [18:22] ee, use slackware, that's the best course of action 8-) [18:23] ... [18:23] ee, what brand netbook? what model? [18:23] and can you buy me one too? 8-) [18:23] (2009-07-31 15:17:31) ee: is there any normal reasons why a sata harddrive would be detected by the centos installer and not the slackware installer? [18:23] hmm slackware 12.2? [18:23] TwinReverb: that's my aim, i really just burnt a centos disk because i was totally clueless as to why i couldn't see any harddrive (tried all of the troubleshooting thats gotten me through before) [18:24] yeah maybe centos has a newer kernel or something [18:24] Action: TwinReverb would've tried slackware 13.0 -rc1 [18:24] TwinReverb: yea 12.2 [18:25] TwinReverb: eventually it would go into production on 90 some of the same model, id rather not use something that's not stamped stable quite yet [18:25] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.154.28) left irc: Connection timed out [18:25] well just to test the concept [18:25] rc1 is old news [18:25] i still can't get k3b to stop making coasters, but otherwise 13.0-rc1 seems stable [18:26] audacious and xmms can't output sound in slackware64-13.0-rc1 but oh well [18:26] wtf? of course they can [18:26] don't confuse your inability to make them work with slackwares [18:26] :) [18:26] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-169-217.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:26] so harsh.... [18:27] :D [18:27] thrice`, actually, no one here could figure out why they don't work, not me, not anyone. it's odd. [18:27] I'm listening to music right now on audacious [18:27] 64bit? [18:28] Wescotte (n=WuzzleWa@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:28] why would only 2 applications that use the same sound layer break, but not others? [18:28] i don't know, maybe they're not ready for 64 bit? not sure [18:28] i've tried everything [18:28] higuita, i think system admin patch the original finger. there's a copy of finger.before.patch.... [18:28] you seemed quite confident by your accusation, anyway :) and yes, I am on 64-bit [18:29] if you take this as an accusation then you're taking it way too seriosuly [18:29] seriously [18:29] i fix aircraft for a living, and can troubleshoot complex avionics systems, so i know i'm not dumb [18:29] I disagree, you clearly said "audacious doesn't output sound on -current" [18:29] lolol [18:30] higuita, yup, it's a script all right. a perl script and it's located in /bin/finger [18:30] i have tried OSS, ALSA, several options, alsaconf has been ran, i've straced them both [18:30] it points to the alsa output driver not being able to find itself [18:30] so, you're confident it's slackware's fault [18:30] er, able to output, as if the hardware isn't ready (but that's not the case) [18:31] not slackware's so much as audacious' [18:31] btw, I use k3b r1002737 and it's fine but I've actually been using various revisions over that last 2 months or so that are higher than the revision used in Slackware current and it has been completely stable for me [18:31] giuppy_ (n=giuppy@host249-38-dynamic.15-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [18:32] i emailed the alsa output plugin maintainer and he said he no longer maintains it [18:32] (i.e. for audacious) [18:32] hmm and now it works just fine >.< [18:33] LOL [18:33] but my sound card no longer is doing the weird realtec analog detection [18:33] maybe it was udev/hotplug misdetecting my sound card [18:33] my apologies [18:34] maybe someone else needs to take over audacious, i only found that app work good once in an earlier slackware 12.x release, personally i think it is sort of buggy and needs work, i would suggest finding an alternative [18:34] Pig_Pen++ :D [18:34] don't worry, it'll be on noobfarm later ;) [18:34] higuita, thx man [18:35] Guest49104 (n=jubei@cpe-98-155-140-177.hawaii.res.rr.com) left irc: "Leaving" [18:35] ah good ol' noobfarm the great equalizer [18:35] it works fine here [18:35] i see how you are 8-( lol [18:36] TwinReverb: its probably a problem of "volume combination"... my card, a via AC97, if i change the volume of the last 4 entries i may disable the audio... for saving audio from the TV, i had to try combinations of mute and unmute of varios channels [18:36] audacious2 works much better than 1.x here [18:36] still a little heavy, but at least doesn't crash any longer :> [18:36] well i think it was hardware misdetection because i hadn't seen it do the realtec thing before, so i thought maybe it was new hardware or something, or just a refinement of what my sound card was, etc, didn't think anything of it [18:37] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1177724170.dsl.bell.ca) joined ##slackware. [18:37] i am sticking with trusty ol xmms-1.x [18:37] mpg321 and ogg321 for live!! [18:37] :) [18:37] mplayer :D [18:38] mplayer for video is a must! [18:38] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [18:38] smplayer [18:38] a long long time ago there was a xmms plugin that enabled it to play video [18:38] does music fine too, and the shell manages the playlist ;) [18:38] is mplayer, but with a working GUI [18:38] plee (n=kurt@static243-165-183.adsl.no) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [18:38] bah im gonna quit xchat to get as much processor space as i can >< brb [18:38] :D [18:39] o.O [18:40] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [18:40] harumph, centos appears to actually be several minor kernel versions behind slack 12.2 >.> [18:40] maybe it's a proprietary driver or something, or testing [18:41] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [18:41] is it ssd ? [18:41] TwinReverb, possibly, frustrating. [18:41] thrice` no [18:41] hey yo, im on slackware 12.2, init 3 normal shell. i changed my locale in lang.sh and lilo to utf8. almost all accents are working, with exception of ~ with some letter =( [18:41] i heard on slashdot that the lead developer of CEntOS was abducted by aliens [18:41] caio (n=caio@190.244.44.18) left irc: "leaving" [18:41] IceW (n=old-time@189-18-161-59.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: [18:41] giuppy (n=giuppy@host86-173-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Connection timed out [18:41] got a ugly ? in place of [18:42] Action: TwinReverb wouldn't use a computer with an "ssd" (i.e. SD HC card) hard drive unless he had no other choice [18:43] in a netbook? I would [18:43] ok, time to go =~ later i guess again, or tomorrow [18:43] guax (n=guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Client Quit [18:43] stealth- (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [18:43] stealth- (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) joined ##slackware. [18:43] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.154.28) joined ##slackware. [18:43] anyone know if eduke32 plays well on a widescreen laptop? [18:44] nvm, if I wasn't a fool of a took I'd hav echecked the website first. [18:45] eviljames: always running about having "adventures" and never sitting down to check the website. [18:45] You know me too well. [18:46] eviljames: yes, it does :) [18:47] eviljames: plays well on my widescreen [18:47] you're going to use the high resolution pack, right? [18:47] eviljames: just make sure you use the hi-res pack [18:48] I will make sure to do so. I have a legit copy of duke3d somewhere so I can get the game files from there [18:48] Or did the whole thing go freeware? [18:48] nope [18:48] oh, k. [18:48] you'll need your disk [18:48] fsck .. I wonder which box THAT's in... probably find my Myst & Riven disks with it.. [18:51] we should make a slackware game team [18:51] and instead of being on irc, we would train :D [18:51] Nick change: powtrix_ -> powtrix [18:51] Then we can all move to Korea and play pro? [18:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189-69-22-2.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: "fui" [18:52] powtrix (n=powtrix@189.69.22.2) joined ##slackware. [18:52] Keiffer (n=mIRCuser@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: [18:52] well, good night :) [18:52] hi hi [18:52] ls -lh [18:52] oops [18:52] Camarade_Tux, good night :] [18:53] pattwo: i notice from /whois that you're in a lot of centos channels.. any news from that crew? [18:54] not much [18:54] Has Lance surfaced? [18:54] nope, still AWOL [18:55] Someone must have gotten new control over the centos.org domain? ... Last Updated On:31-Jul-2009 21:33:45 UTC [18:56] lookit that. hmm, still has lance's contact info there [18:57] Yeah, I thought part of their complaint was that he went to a privatization service? [18:58] i'm only getting bits and pieces, been renovating my house. Came back online to day to find a sh*tstorm [18:58] trying to catch up [18:58] ee (n=alife@216.159.13.110) left irc: "BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it." [18:59] fair enough.. I saw the letter shortly after it was posted (prior to it being slashdotted) and have watched piles and piles of FUD be generated by talking heads ever since. [19:01] yeah, the slashdot thing didn't help much [19:01] Well, if they wanted it to go public they definitely succeeded. [19:01] indeed [19:02] pattwo (n=sysadmin@d75-158-165-33.abhsia.telus.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [19:03] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:06] lyminsk (n=lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [19:08] velusip (n=velusip@65.38.42.178) joined ##slackware. [19:09] thrice`, i wouldn't because 1) i'd have to carry around an external hard drive to store all my stuff on, and 2) because their price point is insane. people are buying $200/$300 netbooks with SD HC "hard drives", and i don't mind that, but upgrading costs more to move to a 64MB SD HC or so than it would to slap an actual hard drive in them [19:09] the same netbook brand but with the 160GB hard drive is only $20 or so more, which is cheaper than an SD HC upgrade to 64mb or so [19:09] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) joined ##slackware. [19:09] CcSsNET (n=user@c-98-216-161-213.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [19:09] i mean, i like the concept, but so far the SD HC cards are a bit too expensive for my blood [19:10] if i was a bit richer i wouldn't care [19:10] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) joined ##slackware. [19:10] WTF-8 (n=WTF-8@d92-156.icpnet.pl) left ##slackware. [19:10] but if i was a but richer i could grab a 250GB, 320GB, or even 500GB hard drive that is meant for netbook/laptop use and still make out better [19:12] Evaa^19 (i=WS-D4@41.236.14.139) joined ##slackware. [19:15] Action: TwinReverb doesn't like losing his data, and likes using LUKS and LVM [19:16] nv4phil (n=phil@gate.nv4p.com) joined ##slackware. [19:18] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.82.186) joined ##slackware. [19:19] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) joined ##slackware. [19:19] hello happy slackers [19:19] hi [19:19] hello TwinReverb [19:20] at least if i ever buy a separate netbook, i know how to get them sync'd over firewire cable [19:20] gnubien (n=e@71.245.100.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [19:20] <_budo> why are filenames case-sensitive but you cant rename a directory with the same name but of a different case inside same directory ? [19:20] huh? [19:21] what tool are you using to create the node? [19:21] you can always mv Directory directory [19:21] <_budo> we are told filenames are case-sensitive....... [19:21] <_budo> no you cant [19:21] what filesystem is this? [19:21] <_budo> not if Directory is a directory [19:21] <_budo> let me try again [19:21] yes, you can [19:21] i just did on ext4 just fine [19:22] <_budo> ohhhhh interesting [19:22] <_budo> you cant do it on the mounted usb key [19:22] what FS? [19:23] ah FAT32 or NTFS probably [19:23] probably FAT32 [19:23] <_budo> vfat [19:23] and there's your answer [19:23] that is why [19:23] if you only use this USB stick on Linux, slap ext4 on it [19:24] or XFS [19:24] either is better than FAT32 any old day [19:24] <_budo> : ) [19:24] <_budo> ok [19:24] Use ext2 if you're going the ext route. [19:24] Unless ext4 can be mounted/created without a journal. [19:24] just realize that they won't be able to be usedon windows computers, not without special drivers [19:24] why would you want to mount/create without a journal? [19:25] for pendrive, ext4 without journal is nice [19:28] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [19:29] you can always tune2fs -m 1 /dev/whatever [19:29] that reduces the reserved blocks size [19:29] on a USB stick you could even reduce to 0 i bet [19:31] (since there's no function for it on a USB stick unless that stick has the machine's /var on it, etc) [19:31] <_budo> there is a limitation to linux writing on vfat partitions [19:32] <_budo> it keeps changing my uppercase directory names to lowercase [19:34] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl4-101-23.dsl.telepac.pt) joined ##slackware. [19:34] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) joined ##slackware. [19:34] ivandi (n=ivandi@bas5-quebec14-1177724170.dsl.bell.ca) left irc: "Leaving" [19:34] M1ck_ (n=mick@81-64-34-22.rev.numericable.fr) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [19:34] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) joined ##slackware. [19:34] Any idea why slackbuilds commonly have code in place to handle other $ARCH values, but then explicitly set them to -i486 usually? [19:35] hey all [19:35] Bugz___: see mount(8)'s options for vfat; I suspect (though I don't *know*) that shortname=mixed would fix you up. [19:35] er, _budo ^^ [19:36] draeath: most likely reason so you can build one package and distribute it to all the PCs you own (if you owned more than one) [19:36] draeath: i486 is the default on 32bit. The case statements, while perhaps allowing other 32bit x86 options, are really there for other architectures (x86_64, arm, s390, etcetera) [19:37] PenPerk (n=carlj@static-71-246-216-235.washdc.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [19:37] LnxSlck (i=1000@89.214.82.186) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [19:37] rworkman: so there is no commonly-used means to figure it out, and the slackbuild author needs to manually set it? [19:37] draeath: no, the *builder* needs to set it *IF* i486 is not desired. [19:37] yeah but people confuse 486 in the name for being optimized FOR 486. dude, seriously, i'm thinkin we need like a README on the website, mirrors, or install media that explains that while the lowest arch that can use it may be 486, it is still optimized for i686 (iirc) [19:38] draeath: there are several corollaries to that: [19:38] draeath: 1) if you're on 32bit x86, leave it alone -- i486 is fine. [19:38] haldir (n=haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: "Leaving" [19:38] right (i'm on slackware64-current) [19:38] i'm just curious why every slackbuild i've looked at sets it explicitly, even if they have other options in the case statement [19:38] draeath: 2) if you're on another architecture, you need to set it to an appropriate value in your shell environment or by passing it in on the command line. [19:38] oh [19:39] sometimes with the slackbuilds you have to do run it like this: [19:39] ARCH="x86_64" ./xfce.SlackBuild [19:39] And NO, it's NOT set explicitly, except in cases where you're repacking a binary that's build for e.g. i686 only, or for "noarch" things. [19:39] iirc ... rworkman please correct me if i'm wrong [19:39] ah. i've always just edited the slackbuild [19:39] oh... so that strange syntax is a default (so if it's not set, set it to this?) [19:39] correct [19:39] like you can set default parameters to C functions [19:40] VAR=${VAR:-whateverishereisVARifnothingisalreadyset} [19:40] what does using a + in that test cause to happen? [19:41] I think the + concatenates vars? [19:41] On a slackware64 system, I have in my /root/.bashrc (which is called by /root/.profile): ARCH=x86_64 ; export ARCH [19:41] antiwire: I don't know, but I suspect that to be invalid. I'm too lazy to look it up atm. [19:41] draeath: you're thinking of VAR+="foo" [19:42] $ VAR=foo ; echo $VAR --> foo ; VAR+=" bar" ; echo $VAR --> "foo bar" [19:42] rworkman: not a bad idea, but i've gotten slackbuilds that set --build in ./configure to something funny that needed editing as well [19:42] so making myself edit the file encourages me to just scan through and look for potential issues (such as working with /lib directly) [19:43] ${parameter:+word} Use Alternate Value. If parameter is null or unset, nothing is substituted, otherwise the expansion of word is substituted. [19:43] stealth- (n=stealth@66.183.233.184) left ##slackware (" 'leaving channel'"). [19:43] draeath: once 13.0 is out, that won't be an issue for SBo stuff. [19:43] :) [19:43] antiwire: cool. [19:43] :) [19:43] but i'm too impatient to wait :) [19:43] interesting [19:43] while i'm here, i ought to say I haven't had any issues with 64-current [19:43] smooth sailing [19:43] Very good :) [19:44] and bash calls - "Use default values" [19:44] There are lots of neat things to do with variable substitution. Like everything else, I only "know" the ones I use regularly. The others require liberal RTFM ;-) [19:44] yeah same here [19:45] Sometimes I go look though /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 to see crazy stuff [19:45] is there a real gain in using slackware64? [19:45] that's why my {k,ba}sh handbooks are quite close by ;) [19:45] O'Reilly's "Learning the Korn Shell" is well worn. :) [19:46] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) left irc: Connection timed out [19:46] rworkman: aye :) [19:47] quit [19:47] shyko (n=shyko@201-76-92-242.flash.tv.br) left irc: "Leaving" [19:47] later, guys, it's beer o' clock! =) [19:47] gtl (n=gustavo@187.5.184.111) left irc: "Leaving" [19:47] :) [19:48] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [19:49] a1g (n=a1g@unaffiliated/a1g) joined ##slackware. [19:50] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [19:50] So as i understand that - vs +: Using ${parameter:+word} means, if $parameter is not set, leave it that way. if it is set change it to 'word'. [19:50] and ${parameter:-word} means if $parameter is not set, set it. if it is set, leave it [19:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [19:51] dive (n=diverse@unaffiliated/dive) joined ##slackware. [19:52] according to my bashbook ${varname:+word} "IF varname exists and isn't null, return /word/ else return /null/ .. .purpose .. testing for the existence of a variable. Example ${count:+1} returns 1 (which could mean "true") if count is defined. [19:53] draeath (n=pbransfo@unaffiliated/draeath) left ##slackware. [19:54] ah i see [19:54] gabriel (n=gabriel@pc-110-118-160-190.cm.vtr.net) joined ##slackware. [19:57] the FCC investigating Apple not allowing some things, like Google's Voice app, to be ran on their iPhones. that's messed up! Apple can choose whatever they want or don't want to run on their products, that's their right. (read The Fountainhead) [19:57] Do any of you guys in the US have a digital TV antenna yet? [19:57] gross [19:57] antiwire: my TV has one built-in [19:58] thrice`: do you pick up anything with it? [19:58] antiwire: good old rabbit ears pick up the digital channels here just fine [19:58] I have it + an HD antenna, which gets all local broadcast in HD [19:58] uhh twolf... [19:59] the old rabbit ears won't pick up digital only signals [19:59] antiwire: yes they will [19:59] in full hd [19:59] are you sure your TV doesn't have both built in? [19:59] DeeeeP (n=ngomes@bl4-101-23.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: "Leaving" [20:00] antiwire: my tv has a digital tuner, but no antenna [20:00] without the rabbit ears I get nothing, with them I get about 20 channels in hd [20:00] please someone use slackware.pl mirror ? [20:01] anyone ever used an AIW with slackware? [20:01] AIW? [20:01] here slackware.pl failed to connect, rsync [20:03] twolf: you have a digital TV then [20:03] my tv is just an old school tube tv and all it has is coax and power [20:04] I hate rabbit ears. [20:04] they just take way too much space [20:04] antiwire: yes, you will need a digital tuner box [20:04] but that is different than an antenna [20:04] i see now [20:05] I don't even have a TV cable feed so I was thinking about getting a dtv antenna. Do they make the antenna + digital tuner in one unit? [20:05] the digital tuner box will work with rabbit ears or the high dollar hd digital antennas [20:05] my tv hides the rabbit ears behind it, can't even see them [20:05] antiwire: I haven't seen anything like that [20:06] they sell them separately [20:06] twolf: So i'd just need the buy the converter box + antenna [20:06] got it [20:06] powtrix: yep seems to have a problem. [20:07] antiwire: did you ever get your 865 working? [20:07] eviljames: I stopped dicking around with it [20:07] set it to the VESA driver [20:07] ah, k. well, I'll plug mine back in this weekend and report back to you any steps I take for fluid experience [20:07] I'm assuming you want compositing et al.? [20:08] honestly i just want the damn thing to work [20:08] i don't care about extra stuff [20:08] that's what's odd - mine worked so/so right out of the box. [20:09] TwinReverb: All In Wonder [20:09] I did a clean install which yielded the same symptoms so I said to hell with it. [20:09] thinking about trying to get the FM tuner to work [20:10] objorn (n=safar@unaffiliated/objorn) joined ##slackware. [20:10] everyone manages there files individually right? [20:10] by that i mean everyone installs using .configure make make install or via scons or some other method [20:10] how do you keep up with where everything is installed? [20:11] lots of people make packages [20:11] sudo make install for instance.. i don't know where everything goes [20:11] make install is quite nasty [20:11] or how to properly remove everything because i don't know what it's installing [20:11] excellent attitude. it is silly, isn't it? [20:12] objorn: I install 99% through slackbuilds. either from SBo or other sources [20:12] Catoptromancy (n=Cato@c-71-203-84-103.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: "Lost terminal" [20:13] quasar, ah it's an ATI [20:13] objorn: slackbuilds all the way [20:13] objorn: slackbuilds, compile stuff from source, and make a package, I install the resulting package :) [20:13] interesting [20:13] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) joined ##slackware. [20:13] Action: TwinReverb doesn't touch ATI with a 10 foot pole any more (at least for Linux) [20:13] Hi [20:14] hi Tirili [20:14] How can I set .flv video files to be opened with xine in kde? [20:14] so slackbuilds is a user maintained repo? [20:15] When I right-click a flv file and choose "Open with..." there is no option to save this extension-program-connection. [20:15] objorn: community driven and reviewed. [20:15] objorn: user contributed, but a handful of admins (including a couple slackware developers) test/fix user-submitted builds [20:15] objorn: most regulars in this channels submitted a few [20:15] Tirili, then place "xine" in the "custom command" and set it to default [20:15] you should be able to choose [20:16] Action: objorn needs a tutorial on how to build your own package [20:16] http://slackbuilds.org/howto/ [20:16] i'm still confused as to where everything is installed [20:16] objorn: slackbuilds.org/faq [20:16] err. [20:17] objorn: well, if you create a package, it gets logged just like Pat's packages, in /var/log/packages/ [20:17] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:17] Wait, I have to find out, what custom commands are.. [20:18] Tirili, what version of slackware? [20:18] 12.2 [20:18] hmm time to crack open the bottle of Duvel. [20:19] hm crack [20:19] .... [20:19] lol i hate waiting for 13 to come out but dont really wanna use current for my actual os [20:20] blame rworkman / xorg [20:20] i cant wait to use slackware64 [20:20] LinuxyErin: I'm in the same boat :) [20:20] lol they having issues with xorg? [20:20] LinuxyErin: I have a 320 GB HDD waiting for 13.0 [20:20] use it, im [20:20] lol [20:20] every distro is having troubles with xorg :> [20:20] Action: TwinReverb blames xorg not rworkman [20:20] what issues are they having with xorg lately? [20:20] Tirili, when you are viewing the file in konqueror, right-click and there should be some sort of option to "open with..." etc [20:20] Yorg [20:21] lol [20:21] at this point, you should be able to find and select Xine from the list of applications, or simply put "xine" in the custom command input field [20:21] thrice`: I say we toss out X* and resort back to console! [20:21] screw that [20:22] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) left irc: "Leaving" [20:22] ok, I knew that, but how can I make .flv files always open with xine? There is no "save" option. [20:22] I like X [20:23] SQlvpapir_ (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:25] TwinReverb (n=robert@unaffiliated/twinreverb) joined ##slackware. [20:25] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [20:26] LinuxyErin (n=erin@adsl-76-208-82-228.dsl.ksc2mo.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "leaving" [20:26] TwinReverb: There is no save option inside the "open with..." menu. :( [20:26] Evaa^19 (i=WS-D4@41.236.14.139) left irc: No route to host [20:28] No, there is only no save option at .flv files. When I open the "open with..."-menu of an .ods file there is a save option?! [20:29] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:29] SQlvpapir (n=teis@0x50c60c4b.virnxx10.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:32] slak (n=slak@unaffiliated/slak) joined ##slackware. [20:32] Ah, I could change it by tools-configure konqueror-file associations. [20:33] Tirili (n=opera@kel30.kel.stud.uni-goettingen.de) left ##slackware. [20:33] dangit [20:34] it's not a save option it's a "make default" [20:36] macavity (n=macavity@3403ds4-abc.0.fullrate.dk) joined ##slackware. [20:36] is there any other tor-like software? [20:37] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: "leaving" [20:39] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) joined ##slackware. [20:40] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [20:41] good evening... infidels :P [20:43] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [20:44] hiya macavity [20:45] SlackNeo (n=SlackNeo@190.176.177.9) joined ##slackware. [20:48] jdetring (n=jay@adsl-70-234-179-140.dsl.tul2ok.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [20:49] so, what is cooking tonight? [20:49] my foot if this candle gets any closer [20:49] my ups batteries :-( [20:50] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [20:50] ping akira42_ [20:50] i had the strangest asian chicken dish for supper, it was grilled chicken breast then it was sautead in a hot spicy peanutbutter sause served over rice, weird but very tasty [20:51] before that i only had peanutbutter on a sandwich, or sometimes on celery [20:52] fredoslack (n=fredosla@APoitiers-257-1-9-204.w90-38.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) [20:52] josefig_ (n=josefig@200.56.154.28) joined ##slackware. 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[21:07] objorn (n=safar@unaffiliated/objorn) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [21:07] http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/view/6.3/chapter05/adjusting.html but i need to do something about the saveestate [21:07] someone told me to use savevm but it says vm state snapshots not supported by device ide0-hd0 and im gonna freak out if i have to start over again [21:07] objorn (n=safar@unaffiliated/objorn) joined ##slackware. [21:08] missyjane: btw, you're using a really old LFS book [21:09] josefig (n=josefig@200.56.154.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:09] 6.3 is from mid 2007 [21:09] 6.4 is the newest one, that sit [21:10] not much difference nor do i care, as i just want to keep going [21:10] there is a lot of difference :( also, 6.5 is almost out [21:11] lol :) i dont mind, i gotta get 6.3 out, then i will work on 6.4 (this isnt my first attempt) [21:11] im gonna then move on to 6.5 and by then i will have a thorough understanding [21:12] each time i do it, i read the stuff again, esp the keypoints and i always learn new things [21:12] btw will this work? http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/hints/downloads/files/stages-stop-and-resume.txt [21:12] since savevm wont work :( [21:13] it looks like it [21:13] it is not like it is rocket science to set up your entironment like it was when you left it [21:14] are you using a livecd? [21:14] yes [21:14] v4nelle (n=van@78-99-238.adsl.cyta.gr) joined ##slackware. [21:14] lol [21:14] livecd lfs + qemu [21:14] :| dont laugh [21:14] :D [21:14] slackware is the perfect host distro [21:14] DONT LAUGH! >:( [21:14] lol [21:15] LinuxEA (n=esbjorn@81-233-227-253-no38.tbcn.telia.com) left irc: Remote closed the connection [21:15] "stripping" is the last paragraph in chapter 5, right? [21:16] no, i cannot be assed to look it up [21:17] is there any way to use my wife's files (Windows XP) as if they were on a local LAN with me? her internet provider seems to be very good at filtering out by protocol [21:17] lol [21:18] it was a question for you [21:18] TwinReverb: sshfs, if she can get an ssh daemon going :> [21:18] too bad she's usually too busy to do that lol 8-S [21:19] ugh [21:19] macavity, not sure but i have to try this, may take a while so bbl [21:19] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) left irc: [21:19] >_< [21:19] she is SO dense to work with.. [21:20] patience [21:20] just a little off [21:23] well.. the LFS hint she posted is pretty straight forward [21:24] sometimes using certain documentation requires getting your mind used to working a certain way [21:24] jonsmith1982 (n=jon@82-38-88-58.cable.ubr01.donc.blueyonder.co.uk) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:24] rworkman: ping? [21:24] Hermann (n=Hermannn@h-156-174.A155.priv.bahnhof.se) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:25] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:26] TwinReverb: in this particular session it is about understanding what causes permanent and what causes temporary change to either the host distro or the LFS build [21:26] TwinReverb: eg, common sense and basic unix lore [21:26] macavity: pong [21:26] rworkman: pm? [21:27] sure [21:27] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) joined ##slackware. [21:27] evening all [21:28] _marc` (n=marc@2001:6f8:103c:0:216:6fff:feb7:24e5) joined ##slackware. [21:33] evening [21:34] grekkos (n=grekkos@pool-173-52-69-54.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:35] The-spiki (n=spiki@95.180.52.119) joined ##slackware. [21:35] do i watch "i, robot" or "minority report" [21:36] slackerpete (n=slackerp@host86-130-128-245.range86-130.btcentralplus.com) left irc: "Leaving" [21:38] minority report [21:39] pxco (n=pxco@189.114.36.6) joined ##slackware. [21:39] or transformers [21:39] i might have transformers 1080p. that would be very shiny [21:41] minority report [21:41] good call. I have it too! [21:41] transformers kinda sucked [21:41] systrik (n=systrik@chello080108163230.4.12.vie.surfer.at) left irc: "What the hell?" [21:42] lots of shiny cars though [21:42] i wanna see some fast cars and stuff [21:42] i was riding in some nice cars with people at work today. i'm kind of considering buying a ford mustang now [21:44] like this http://tinyurl.com/njxoc7 it's not even that much money [21:44] Transformers was terrible [21:45] biggest flop of the decade [21:45] i liked it [21:45] who has black belt in grep-fu?!? [21:45] Orion: O_o [21:45] but i like a lot of cheesy pop movies that most people don't [21:46] alright, i need to clean this room up and hook up my desktop so i can watch something [21:46] macavity: I honestly thought you did.. [21:46] macavity: not I, but post your question ;) [21:46] These arn't just my words, it the words of the critics [21:46] grep -F -f file1 file2 should print out any line which is both in file1 and file2, right? [21:46] brb need to boot to windoz [21:46] Orion (n=Orion7@99-36-114-216.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer) [21:46] Orion: Since when did critics opinions actually really matter? [21:46] pfft. [21:46] noo [21:47] SlackLnx (n=SlackWar@85.139.11.72) left irc: "I'll Be Back!!" [21:47] agentc0re1: thanks.. so did i, untill i figured out that i cant figure out if patchA contains any of the same fixes as patchB without reading it all through :-/ [21:47] thrice`: no? [21:47] macavity: line in both files: grep -xF -f file1 file2 [21:47] macavity: egrep 'file1|file2' crap ? [21:47] *blink* [21:48] oh, you want both ? [21:48] no, i need fixed strings [21:48] no [21:48] i want to read patterns from one file, and grep for all of those patterns in another [21:48] .. like -f is said to do in the manpage [21:49] macavity: maybe this is silly of me to suggest but isn't that what diff is for? [21:49] macavity: maybe i am confused at what you're trying to do though.. [21:50] no, quite the opposite [21:50] i want to know of all the things that are the same.. not the differences [21:50] grep -F -f 2.6.29.x-intel-crash-patch.diff kernel-intel-2009q2-against-2.6.30.1.patch [21:50] Suminigashi (n=life@ip70-161-121-94.hr.hr.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] that *should* output anything present in the crash-patch that is also done by the 2009q2 patch [21:51] sidmario (n=xxx@200-158-63-127.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [21:51] what it does looks like it just cats the seccond file to stdout [21:51] Pat pulled the 2.6.29 stuff from the 2.6.30 set, so it *all* shoudl be there, actually [21:51] macavity: man comm - compare two sorted files line by line [21:52] it's in the actual kernel, nothing with intel's patching [21:52] huh? [21:52] i am dim lit.. be verbose please :P [21:53] i am saying, you are grepping for things that will be in linus' kernel, and thus probably not in intel's patching [21:53] gnubien: thx [21:54] comm -2 file1 file2 did it [21:54] cool [21:54] sweet [21:54] Suminigashi (n=life@ip70-161-121-94.hr.hr.cox.net) left ##slackware. [21:54] thrice`: uhm, i am trying to inspect what Patrick is shipping with the stock kernel [21:54] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) joined ##slackware. [21:54] thrice`: and that patch is actually in the Intel patch set [21:55] is that patchset from before 2.6.30 ? [21:56] Patick only patches the .29.6 kernel with "[Intel-gfx] [PATCH] drm/i915: Don't allow binding objects into the last page of the aperture." [21:57] I dont' think he is set on the kernel for 13 yet :\ [21:57] the patch is am am using on my own kernel is 8 patches later than 30.1 [21:57] l00t (n=i-i3id3r@189.105.55.117) joined ##slackware. [21:59] macavity: fgrep -f file1 file2 -n [21:59] Quiznos (i=1000@c-68-56-143-229.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [22:00] same ass comm -2 file1|file2 ? [22:00] s/ass/as [22:00] >> [22:00] minus the | [22:00] ah [22:01] macavity: that work? [22:01] agentc0re1: nope.. that just made line numbers :P [22:02] Nick change: agentc0re1 -> agentc0re [22:02] it still just looks like the seccond patch was concattenated to stdout [22:02] anyways, i found out what i initially wanted to know [22:02] are you expecting output from both i guess? [22:03] no.. i am expecting to get anything pressent in file1 to get outputted if it is also pressent in file2 [22:03] as the nampage says: "read patterns from FILE, one per line" [22:03] the comm switch -2 seems like it would work [22:03] xattack (n=enrique@lidsol.fi-b.unam.mx) left irc: "leaving" [22:03] mrselfpwn: it did [22:04] now we are just investigating why grep is being odd about this [22:04] hmm [22:04] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: "Leaving" [22:05] macavity: I just took two readme's. file 2 i deleted the last few lines and reran that line i gave you and it only output the same lines that both files had. [22:05] what i would really like to do is: backport all the drm/kms changes from my kernel to .29.6 :P [22:05] macavity: i added the -n switch so you would know which lines those were. [22:05] macavity: it looks like it's doing what you want. [22:05] macavity: to me of course.. /shurg [22:06] macavity, i'm also using the intel with kms [22:06] akira42_ (n=tetsuo@dslb-088-073-239-034.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:07] my brother is drunk riding the go cart. this should be interestin [22:07] ok.. just trying the against-30.1 patch on 29.6 did *not* work [22:08] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:08] mrselfpwn (n=nemesis@unaffiliated/projectchild) left irc: "let the bodies hit the floor." [22:09] macavity: man cmp (1p) - compare two files [22:10] i got it fixed :P [22:10] ok [22:10] it was more of a principal question about why grep doesnt work as adverticed [22:11] v4nelle (n=van@78-99-238.adsl.cyta.gr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [22:11] macavity: you could use a bash 1 liner: while read line; do grep "$line" file2; done gnubien: my bashfu lacks a little to be desired :P [22:13] agentc0re: that is what i would expect.. but for some reason my grep seems to be rather intend on doing things the odd way around.. i think it might be the initial spaces on each line in patches that throws it off [22:13] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [22:13] macavity: obviously you dont need that kind of bashfu if you dont use it [22:15] gnubien: actually i quite often need it.. and i have authored some somewhat advanced scripts.. i just didnt know about "read" :P [22:15] \3TATUK (n=c7a71k@adsl-75-32-32-125.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:15] macavity: in a terminal run this: help read [22:15] <\3TATUK> Anyone know a command-line way to interface a proxy between a gui app (say, something run via WINE[similar to how `./aoss game` works but like `./tunnel -pIP:PORT app`])? [22:15] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: "Deuces." [22:15] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) left irc: "Leaving" [22:16] well i'l be damned.. if i swap file1 and file2 it works [22:16] lol [22:16] Kumool (n=Khwerz@adsl-72-50-69-137.prtc.net) joined ##slackware. [22:16] LMAO [22:16] macavity: easy fix [22:16] HAHAH [22:16] this makes no sense [22:16] That's just awesome. [22:16] ufhsab to the rescue [22:16] it should give the exact same output [22:16] \3TATUK: so what are you *really* trying to do? [22:17] <\3TATUK> Interface a proxy between a gui app (say, something run via WINE[similar to how `./aoss game` works but like `./tunnel -pIP:PORT app`]). [22:17] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:17] ...omfg. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/31/2236229/RIAA-Awarded-675000-In-Tenenbaum-Trial?from=rss [22:17] is there any tutorial/docs for secure a fresh slackware 12.2 install?! [22:17] fire|bird (n=fire|bir@unaffiliated/silvergold) joined ##slackware. [22:17] anyone else smell bias coming from the judges ass? [22:18] net ho: http://arch.har-ikkje.net/gfx/hgnet.jpg [22:18] sidmario (n=xxx@189.111.78.124) joined ##slackware. [22:18] holy crap. I don't get how they can get away with suing someone for more than they probably make in 10 years.. might as well throw them in jail because you're not going to see that money after they claim bankruptcy. [22:19] agentc0re: http://pastebin.ca/1514449 [22:19] agentc0re: i think that is my best grep-fu overkill to date :P [22:19] objorn (n=safar@unaffiliated/objorn) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:19] Pig_Pen (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:20] macavity: # Check if user has a clue... [22:20] hahah [22:20] dchmelik (n=d@nat.wabroadband.com) joined ##slackware. [22:21] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: "221 GoodBye - WeeChat 0.3.0-rc2" [22:21] oh well :P [22:21] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:22] if people can read shellscripts, that one is a nice little tutorial on how to make the most of slackware's package logs [22:22] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) left irc: Client Quit [22:22] gnubien (n=e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: "leaving" [22:24] higuita (n=higuita@2001:b18:400f:0:211:d8ff:fe82:b10e) joined ##slackware. [22:31] so.. how would one go about "backporting" the entire intel DRM and KMS stuff from kernel .30.3 to .29.6? [22:31] what's DRM and KMS? [22:32] i quote the backporting word, as i am aiming at some magic recursive diff command, rather than actually understanding what the heck is going on :P [22:32] maxote: DRM is Direct Rendering Management [22:32] maxote: and KMS is Kernel Mode Setting [22:32] maxote: both are related to graphics drivers [22:33] maxote: wikipedia has the rest of the answer in case you are interested [22:33] thanks macavity [22:33] and does nvidia use them? [22:34] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) left irc: [22:34] no.. they dont play with the rest of the team, remember? [22:37] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-4.aei.ca) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [22:37] superGear (n=supergea@65.90.133.252) joined ##slackware. [22:37] XandriX (n=xandrix@dsl-132-242.aei.ca) joined ##slackware. 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[22:55] and ls -l /var/log/packages/kernel-headers-* [22:56] man.. i would give a $10 to the one who makes a nice wikipedia article about TTM [22:56] it is so bloody hard to find documentation for these things [22:56] josefig_ (n=josefig@200.56.154.28) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:58] user39683759 (n=ldfkjhfs@adsl-76-250-128-175.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) left irc: "Ex-Chat" [22:58] i'll check there [22:58] i did do a full install of slack [22:58] RipVanWinkle (n=anyuser@72-24-139-79.cpe.cableone.net) left irc: "leaving" [22:59] 2008-07-19 15:27 /var/log/packages/kernel-headers-2.6.24.5_smp-x86-2 [23:00] so i guess I do have them then? [23:00] lol.. get this: UXA is Intel's re-implementation of EXA, but on top of GEM [23:01] .. in kernel .31 the GEM API is exported by TTM [23:01] mancha (i=mancha@unaffiliated/mancha) left irc: "--" [23:01] |Slacker| (n=tanis@189.34.113.92) joined ##slackware. [23:01] .. and TTM is the very reason why Intel went AWOL and implemented UXA/GEM >_< [23:07] dizbin (n=dizbin@c-71-198-187-53.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:07] ovnicraft (n=ovnicraf@190.154.240.58) joined ##slackware. [23:08] sidmario (n=xxx@189.111.78.124) left ##slackware. [23:08] sidmario (n=xxx@189.111.78.124) joined ##slackware. [23:08] this is classic [23:08] http://www.overclockersclub.com/news/25002/ [23:08] TWKR edition [23:08] j0k3r_ (n=rddalcen@unaffiliated/j0k3r) joined ##slackware. [23:11] That looks like an abbreviation for tweaker and where I live...a tweaker is a meth addict [23:11] Kaapa (n=Somethin@bl11-118-134.dsl.telepac.pt) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [23:11] lol, yeah [23:11] I wonder if that's a serious post [23:11] how could they possibly overlook that [23:12] I believe it is. AMD made a handful of those TWKR (it really does stand for tweaker, heh) for the hardcore overcooking fraternity. They even auctioned one off recently for charity. [23:12] where i live a tweaker is someone who belive that he can make a a P3 run as fast as a Core2 if he just get the -funroll-loops setting right :P [23:12] lol [23:13] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:13] tweaker aka ricer aka gentoo user [23:13] tweaker aka drug addict thief [23:14] Bonix (n=Bonix@189-90-196-152.isimples.com.br) joined ##slackware. [23:14] not just a drug addict, but a meth addict [23:14] yep [23:15] i seriously dont understand why people pay criminals for meth.. i mean, i could go and make a kilo of that shit in a weekend.. [23:15] and i dont even have a BA in chemistry [23:16] acidkill (n=acidkill@user-0c90po6.cable.mindspring.com) left irc: "out." [23:16] macavity: you can get enough sudafed where you are to make a kilo of meth in a weekend? [23:18] LSD`: pseudoephedrine is not hard to make in its own right [23:20] so i'm watching eagle eye. am i going to regret it? [23:20] Action: BP{k} wonders when this turned into ##methlab ;) [23:20] when you came in BP{k} [23:21] I just watched Eastern promises [23:21] how was it [23:22] it was ok, not what i expected though [23:25] i've been playing settlers two on dosbox for 6 hours [23:25] i feel awful [23:26] whoa, when did i set methlab as a keyword....:P [23:26] j/k [23:26] no, no. i lie [23:26] 8 [23:26] obnauticus (n=obnautic@c-71-236-194-83.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:26] antiwire: don't forget to grab Donnie Darko. [23:27] _budo (n=budo@75-93-145-99.rch.clearwire-dns.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:27] and Pi [23:27] Those will be my next two [23:27] i haven't seen pi [23:29] macavity, that's cause there's nothing in this world that you need a degree for [23:29] it's all bullshit [23:29] that's too funny [23:30] btw, coraline is worth seeing [23:31] VampirePenguin (n=java@unaffiliated/vampirepenguin) joined ##slackware. [23:31] I've heard is good [23:31] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. [23:31] OR1k (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:32] and you get those 3d glasses along with the movie [second side is the 3d version]. neat [23:32] Vi^3PirePengy (n=java@h96-61-183-181.mtjltn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net) left irc: Client Quit [23:32] are the 3d glasses the clear ones, or the red/blue ones [23:33] red blue i think [23:33] red/blue ones [23:35] byteframe (n=bytefram@pool-71-174-8-84.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [23:35] missyjane (n=love@unaffiliated/missyjane) joined ##slackware. [23:35] hi [23:35] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:35] anyone here play guild wars on slackware? [23:36] hello, jave [23:36] s/jave/jane [23:37] Whoopsie Goldberg. [23:37] hitest (n=hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: "Leaving" [23:38] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) joined ##slackware. [23:38] lol :| [23:39] Action: missyjane sets amazonforest on fire a couple of time [23:39] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) left ##slackware ("Konversation exterminated!"). [23:40] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) joined ##slackware. [23:41] pehden (n=pehden@67-61-25-234.cpe.cableone.net) joined ##slackware. [23:42] Filezilla Ftp Server installing from source [23:42] on ubunutu [23:42] rofl.. "unbunutu" [23:42] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:43] man how many u do they need? :p [23:43] unbunututu [23:43] sour flowers on a pesky morning [23:43] i wish there was a way to chroot into slackware64 from slackware (both installed on local hard drive) so that I could "run both" i.e. compile packages for one while in the other [23:44] test34 (n=alexb@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: "test34" [23:44] TwinReverb: if i am not mistaken you can just use the slackware64 kernel on your slackware32 system [23:44] TwinReverb: then you can chroot from slackware32 to slackware64 [23:45] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:45] hmm i should try that once [23:46] "use the clutch before you shift". there's a protip [23:46] Emeau (n=Emeau@AMontsouris-158-1-5-180.w90-46.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [23:46] Wicked (n=rewt@unaffiliated/blazed) joined ##slackware. [23:46] \3TATUK (n=c7a71k@adsl-75-32-32-125.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) left ##slackware. [23:46] hello all. with cd1 contain everything in need for a minimal install? [23:46] you may or may not need to fudge a little with a /lib/modules -> /lib64/modules symlink of sorts [23:46] Wicked: yes [23:47] Wicked: very minimal... no X [23:47] ok cool. im on slow dsl.... [23:47] yea i dont want x [23:47] on ubuntu*** [23:48] xdan779 (n=daniel@c-98-227-170-111.hsd1.il.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [23:48] pehden: i think you're in the wrong channel [23:48] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) left ##slackware ("Konversation exterminated!"). [23:48] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) joined ##slackware. [23:48] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:50] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:50] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) joined ##slackware. [23:52] my 256mb stick of kingston ram died. any chance of getting something better through warranty, or are they just going to give me the same thing [23:52] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) joined ##slackware. [23:53] i was sent here cause of source installing [23:53] pehden: you do realise that FileZilla server itself is only available for the Microsoft Windows platform right? [23:54] nix_chix0r (n=misspwn@70-41-16-81.cust.wildblue.net) left irc: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) [23:54] and why in th heck are the ubuntu guys sending people here as soon as someone wants to install something from source [23:54] i have its source code and if i new how to mod it i would do it [23:54] pehden: where did you download the source from? [23:55] Chavao (n=chavao@189.24.155.250) left ##slackware ("Konversation exterminated!"). [23:55] with in the ftp server for win [23:55] it has the source code in the packae [23:55] *package [23:56] whats the tech. term for a thing that let your applications to connect with an ip spoofed? [23:56] pehden: why not use one of the other popular linux ftp servers like vsftpd or proftpd [23:56] want to google it [23:56] slak: proxy? [23:56] amazon10x, nope, [23:57] proxy works only with your browser [23:57] lol [23:57] i tried vsftp but i couldnt get it to do what i wanted it to [23:57] pehden: I am sorry to say, but 1) I don't particularly care if other ubuntu users send you hear because you need to compile something from source. There are fundemental differences between slackware and ubuntu, that helping you isn't going to be very useful beyond the basic steps. [23:57] slak: IP spoofing and proxies are not the same thing [23:57] and proxies can work with any networked application either via direct support or wrappers [23:58] i have seen that it is in c or c++ [23:58] pehden: read the manual for one of the linux ftp servers and use it [23:58] antiwire, yeah lets say that i want to connect a game ... say WoW... will proxy do the job? [23:58] slak: does WoW support proxies? [23:58] a link to a manual would be nice [23:59] if it does not, then you need to try to use a wrapper [23:59] pehden: go to the ubuntu channel [23:59] pehden: if you can't get proftpd to do what you want, then what you want is mis understood [23:59] pehden: how did you extract the exe file? [23:59] pehden: man proftpd and man proftpd.conf [23:59] antiwire, there are other applications like tor, that allows you to do so... [23:59] and if vsftpd can't do it, you don't need to do it, regardless of whether you misunderstood. [23:59] slak: Tor is more than just some proxy [23:59] rworkman++ [23:59] yup [00:00] --- Sat Aug 1 2009