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[01:10] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [01:10] can't wait to run android on my ipod touch [01:10] dchmelik: sure it safe. Personally I leave it alone and use full path/filenames in /etc/lilo.conf [01:11] I used to do that when I made kernels [01:11] make sure you give your new kernel a goofy name in lilo [01:13] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [01:15] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:17] dchmelik: there's nothing stopping you from doing this (partial snipped only) [01:17] image = /boot/vmlinuz-generic-smp-2.6.33.4-smp [01:17] initrd = /boot/initrd-generic-smp-2.6.33.4-smp.gz [01:17] ^ from my lilo.cofn [01:17] ,fn,nf, [01:17] I prefer to keep the link for when I upgrade [01:18] for the ultimate in usability, I have all 4 kernels listed in lilo.conf. overkill, but it may save me trouble at some point [01:18] *nod* [01:18] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.36.94) joined ##slackware. [01:18] what is the 'initrd-tree' file? [01:18] i do not need that in lilo, do I? [01:18] no [01:18] or, I mean, renamed to some kernel initrd-tree [01:19] that's the file tree used to create the initrd [01:19] you can safely delete it if it really bugs you [01:19] actually i guess if i used any other kernel it would have the same initrd because i have no other primary partitions [01:20] wait, i must be wrong about that [01:20] because mkinitrd specified a kernel [01:20] hmm [01:20] so on upgrading it must require running that script again [01:20] ping. [01:20] superGear (~naraku@96.45.180.106) joined ##slackware. [01:21] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.36.134) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:25] orangetart (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [01:25] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:25] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [01:25] After installing slackware for XFCE, I started thinking I might not need KDE at all. [01:26] There are too many KDE applications mingled with XFCE applications in XFCE menu. [01:26] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [01:26] Plus, they don't even work very well due fo unmet dependencies that are not in slackware DVD. [01:27] good night [01:27] Is it ok to install slackware without KDE if I just want to use XFCE4? [01:27] o/ [01:27] pi31415 (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [01:27] It's slackware 13.1 64bit [01:27] should be able to, yep [01:28] But I heard without full installation, slackware people wouldn't be able to support me with technical questions. [01:28] What about it? [01:28] that's a new one to me [01:29] running a custom kernel, otoh, brings in one _huge_ wildcard. you're typically on your own then (aka: you're smart enough to build it, you're smart enough to troubleshoot it) [01:29] However , there are many flaws in XFCE. [01:29] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [01:29] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [01:29] XFCE display configuration can't recognize my laptop and external monitors [01:29] jonmasters (~jcm@dallas.jonmasters.org) joined ##slackware. [01:30] while GNOME display configuration could. [01:30] ferdna (~ferdna@cpe-24-92-114-29.elp.res.rr.com) left irc: [01:30] How about KDE [01:30] It just displays one monitor [01:30] I don't know how to transfer to KDE once I chose XFCE as default. I'm a newbit in slackware. [01:30] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:31] orangetart: Do these things work under xfce on other distros? I'm thinking it's possibly limitations in xfce... [01:31] I just have to configure in xorg.conf instead of XFCE display configuration [01:31] LSD`, I guess so [01:31] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [01:31] The problem of turning off a monitor in xorg.conf is a turned-off monitor is not recognized at all in xrandr. [01:31] I can't turn it on until I restart X. [01:32] GNOME display configuration is more flexible than xorg.conf [01:32] It enables me to turn on and off without restarting X. [01:32] Axius (~fd@92.82.90.188) joined ##slackware. [01:33] GNOME display configuration probably uses xrnadr to turn monitors on and off. [01:33] xrandr [01:34] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware. [01:34] Maybe I can use xrandr in an autoloaded script to turn it off [01:34] The thing I hate about GNOME display configuration is any changes you make affect only the user you make them as. It's of no help in making major changes to X configuration as a whole like when, for example, xorg "helpfully" decides your monitor should be fed with a 1280x1024 signal even though you get the best refresh rate at 1024x768 [01:34] LSD`, That's better than xorg.conf since xorg.conf is not flexible at all. [01:35] ppl still use 1024x768? [01:35] errordeveloper (~errordeve@host86-162-3-139.range86-162.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [01:35] LSD`, I use GNOME display configuration in combination with xorg.conf [01:35] They complement each other [01:35] I mean I used to use it so. [01:35] orangetart: xorg.conf is infinitely more flexible, the problem is a lack of decent UI for configuring it [01:35] superGear: This was back when I still had my CRT, heh [01:36] no need for UI [01:36] LSD`, The problem is xorg.conf is it can't turn on a monitor on the run by xrandr. Options "Ignore" "true" just remove a monitor from xrandr. [01:36] I have to modify xorg.conf and log out from GDM. [01:36] Oak (~silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) joined ##slackware. [01:36] *The problem of xorg.conf [01:37] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [01:37] although you can pass any custom xorg.conf when starting x [01:37] is it a common thing for people to complain of poor internet responsiveness after installing slackware? [01:37] no [01:37] If there is a way to turn off a monitor in xorg.conf without removing it from xrandr. I would use it [01:37] no. [01:37] orangetart: In order to fix the problem I was referencing above, I had to manually force xorg to use 1024x768 in xorg.conf [01:37] I haven't found a way [01:37] strangely it's happened to me on two different computers [01:38] Oak (silas@unaffiliated/alreadygone) left ##slackware ("We were always meant to say goodbye..."). [01:38] LSD` : What were you trying to do? [01:38] orangetart, vbetool [01:38] Tweaking_Man (~pupuser54@pm1dialin-22.danbbs.dk) left irc: Quit: Ayttm logging off [01:38] echelon, Does it turn on a monitor even if it's not in xrandr? [01:39] oh, i wouldn't know [01:39] orangetart: As I said, move back to a better resolution/refresh rate combo than the one xorg "helpfully" chose for me. I could use GNOMEs panel for that, but GDM would still come up in 1280 when I rebooted [01:39] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.239) joined ##slackware. [01:39] LSD` : GNOME display configuration is somewhat separate from GDM display. [01:40] LSD` : GDM display is under the jurisdiction of xorg.conf. [01:40] GNOME display configuration only affect GNOME display. [01:40] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) joined ##slackware. [01:41] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. 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[01:45] mmmm yes, just as planned [01:46] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [01:46] orangetart: The whole point is there needs to be a more elegant way of managing all of this [01:46] LSD`, I agree. [01:46] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [01:47] vbatts (~vbatts@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] Alan_Hicks (~alan@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [01:47] chess (~chess@216.23.247.74) joined ##slackware. [01:47] chess (~chess@216.23.247.74) left irc: Changing host [01:47] chess (~chess@unaffiliated/chess) joined ##slackware. [01:48] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [01:48] trhodes (~tom@cardinal.lizella.net) joined ##slackware. [01:48] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) joined ##slackware. [01:50] Delahunt (~robert@fd124-203.infoaomori.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [01:50] open source world started using GUI later than MacOS and windows. Let's wait and see. [01:50] The open source world doesn't value GUI much still. [01:51] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) joined ##slackware. [01:51] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) joined ##slackware. [01:51] thrice` (thrice@slackadelic.com) left irc: Changing host [01:51] thrice` (thrice@unaffiliated/thrice/x-000000001) joined ##slackware. [01:51] The major hurdle here is that nothing that isn't important to server usage doesn't get the development resources it really needs since most of the money and donations of hardware and whatnot come from companies who have a vested interest in using Linux on servers [01:51] I'm making a self announcement. [01:52] I hope xorg.conf controls and limits GNOME display configuration. [01:53] 1280x1024 was not even recognizable in GNOME display confiuration. [01:55] alienBOB (~alien@about/slackware/alienBOB) joined ##slackware. [01:58] _lat3X (~Lat3X@190.69.29.197) left irc: Quit: Saliendo [01:59] depends on what you mean by 'value' [01:59] personally, I value X, but mostly as a way of having oodles of terminals open & using various graphics apps [01:59] It means there is no integrated way of managing X screen resolution. [02:00] xorg.conf and GNOME & XFCE display configuration play separately. [02:00] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [02:00] yep. multiple approaches to the same end [02:00] They need to be consolidated [02:00] absolutely not [02:01] But they are confusing and misleading [02:01] being hamstrung by a single (gui) method of doing things is, frankly, asinine [02:01] I agree, though. [02:01] I just want to turn off a monitor in xorg.conf without removing the monitor from xrandr as I said above. [02:02] XFCE display configuration recognizes only the laptop monitor and not the external monitor. [02:03] alphageek : However, if there is only one distro of linux, there could be single GUI method of doing things. [02:03] pnq (asdf@AC82F3C6.ipt.aol.com) joined ##slackware. [02:03] Windows could build on GUI because it doesn't have diversions. [02:04] I think single GUI configurations linked to text configuration files is the best. [02:05] This way convenience comes with configurability. [02:07] roccity_ (~roccity_@ip-118-90-60-67.xdsl.xnet.co.nz) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [02:07] stomper (~stomper@196-51.adsl.umnet.umich.edu) joined ##slackware. [02:08] It's the approach of Oracle virtualbox. [02:11] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [02:12] I ask again. Can I exclude KDE from slackware installation and go without a problem? [02:14] yes [02:14] I answer again: should be able to, yep [02:14] just uncheck the kde package group [02:14] Axius (~fd@92.82.90.188) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [02:15] I shall install it again. [02:15] I have nothing to lose. [02:16] you don't value your time? [02:16] if you already have slackware installed why reinstall? just reomve the kde packages [02:17] maybe he doesn't know what he is doing [02:17] Action: superGear shrugs [02:17] alphageek: less asinine than having to jump through a different hoop for each individual part of the process. Eliminating xorg.conf has got them most of the way, there just needs to be an easier way of overriding the automatic choices than creating and hand editing xorg.conf manually. The front end UI (graphical or otherwise) can be farmed out to others, but that's no reason to not build the back end infrastructure into X [02:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [02:20] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: dont trod around saying it is so easy unless you can do it as well [02:23] MrManager (~mark@pool-72-94-19-205.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [02:35] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:36] andraius : I didn't know I could just remove KDE packages since I experienced in ubuntu that removing packages wasn't easy due to tangled dependencies. [02:36] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [02:36] djowf (~winf@S010600a0c9f65f64.wp.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [02:36] I value my time [02:36] njathan_ (~njathan@203.115.79.176) joined ##slackware. [02:36] Removing plymouth in ubuntu meant taking down the core of ubuntu. [02:37] ouch [02:37] i have no kde installed, just xfce [02:37] The dependencies were hardwired to the core. [02:37] That's what I didn't like about ubuntu [02:37] unneccesary dependencies [02:37] I've also ran slack for years without kde. [02:38] However I want to give KDE a chance before removing it. [02:38] learn to use dpkg on ubuntu [02:39] njathan (~njathan@203.115.79.239) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [02:39] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [02:39] mancha : I know how to use dpkg on ubuntu and debian [02:39] I learned almost 50% of it [02:39] remove it the fun way: mount the cd with kde packages, cd to the kde package dir, then: [02:39] dpkg -L, -S, -l, -p [02:39] then you should know how to remove stuff without removing the "dependencies" [02:39] for i in *.txz ; do removepkg $i ; done [02:39] wee [02:39] mancha : I didn't learn to remove without dependencies. [02:40] mancha : What if they are real dependencies? [02:40] there's a zillion approaches [02:40] orange, it they are real deps it is the same as what happens on slackware when you do that, things break [02:40] how about "removepkg *" in KDE and KDEi? [02:41] try it & see. I haven't tested the tools to see if they do globbing [02:41] alpha they glob on the install side, i assume they do on the remove :) [02:41] there ya go [02:41] should always quote your vars --> "$i" [02:42] I've yet to _ever_ see a slackware package with a space in its name [02:42] alphageek, Is there any package with one or more spaces in its name? [02:43] *facepalm* [02:43] I always have the slackware ISO mounted. [02:43] /media/slackware [02:43] arrite, time for me to ignore irc for a bit. this is just wasting my time [02:44] we can be more fun! [02:44] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) joined ##slackware. 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[03:22] takes a time [03:22] I typed sudo ln -sf xinitrc.wmaker xinitrc in /etc/X11/xinit [03:23] I had to wait when 13 was released as well [03:23] valgor (~596fb03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-zvvqvyonvahnynio) joined ##slackware. [03:23] After doing that, linking xinitrc to xinitrc.others doesn't work. [03:23] crocket, try xwmconfig [03:23] xinitrc is ignored [03:23] crocket explain the "after that" [03:24] you have xinitrc -> xinitrc.wmaker, after step #1 [03:24] After I start X with xinitrc linking to xinitrc.wmaker, linking xinitrc to other window managers doesn't work. [03:24] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-149.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [03:24] maybe 'ln -sf' ? [03:24] I did that [03:24] I'm stuck in ugly wmaker [03:25] define "linking doesn't work" [03:25] so you do ln -sf xinitrc.xfce xinitrc and it doesn't work? [03:25] cant you use xwmconfig? [03:25] I quit window maker and typed sudo ln -sf xinitrc.xfce xinitrc, and typed startx, and I saw wmaker instead of xfce as expected. [03:25] slackytude : I haven't used it yet [03:26] crocket, rm ~/.xinitrc [03:26] man [03:26] I do it [03:26] after doing "ln -sf xinitrc.xfce xinitrc" please ls -l /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc [03:27] pireau (1000@pdpc/supporter/student/pireau) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [03:27] I'm back in XFCE [03:27] after removing ~/.xinitrc [03:27] HAHAHA [03:27] sorry [03:27] :-) [03:28] ~/.xinitrc takes a higher priority than /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc [03:28] Action: slava_dp is too damn sarcastic these days. /me takes a chill [03:29] hey slava, i have a Q [03:29] mancha, i'm all ears [03:29] were you the one commenting about deadbeef? [03:29] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: leaving [03:29] mancha, commenting where? [03:29] here? [03:29] yep, I use it, it's awesome. [03:30] do you know if it plays aac? [03:30] 0.4.1 now. [03:30] it should play everything. [03:30] should and does are different. can you confirm? [03:30] Israel has attacked the flotilla of humanitarians trying to get to gaza. ~10 to 20 people killed so far. [03:30] Just thought i'd throw that out there [03:30] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:31] is it bad that your sentence made me think of Mass Effect [03:31] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) joined ##slackware. [03:31] mancha, don't have any aac files [03:32] jgeboski1 (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [03:32] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [03:32] one second.... [03:32] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [03:34] oh [03:34] deadbeef looks interesting [03:34] adrien, it's awesome [03:35] slava_dp: does it require gtkmm? [03:35] whats deadbeef? [03:35] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.65.97) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [03:35] adrien, doesn't require anything, builds on stock slackware [03:35] slackytude, a new audio player [03:35] ! \o/ [03:35] ah [03:35] afaict it's a music player that ... plays music [03:36] slava_dp: have a slackbuild yet? :P [03:36] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [03:36] fuzzix (~fuzzix@109.78.66.35) joined ##slackware. [03:36] adrien, it's on SBo, just change the version to 0.4.1 (it's 0.3.3 in the build), and the source name to .bz2 [03:36] Action: adrien hugs slava_dp [03:37] it's not mine, don't hug me :) [03:37] slava_dp: I hug you and give the author three cookes ;-) [03:38] mancha: you have faac/faad* [03:38] ? [03:38] looks good [03:38] ah, right... if faad is present, then deadbeef will play aac. I don't have faad though. [03:39] Action: slava_dp hath no aacc [03:39] j0z (~UNIX@201.47.19.71) joined ##slackware. [03:39] j0z (~UNIX@201.47.19.71) left irc: Changing host [03:39] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [03:40] I wated something like foobar2000(.org) on linux but couldn't find one which didn't require gtkmm or fltk [03:41] ya, foobar is the shit [03:41] anyone tried the ck's brain fuck scheduler? [03:41] and since there was nothing, I turned to mplayer... which isn't the best thing when it comes to playlist handling and cuesheets... [03:42] deadbeef does cuesheets nicely [03:42] slava_dp: not me, and the new machine is quad-core so BF wouldn't fit [03:42] rather, it's not meant to fit [03:42] BFS would be fit for a quad-core too, as per the faq. [03:43] i. e., "don't use this if you have 4096 cores" :-D [03:43] yeah, but it's not meant for such a machine and I probably wouldn't get any benefit from switching to it [03:43] okay. I'm going to try it on my boxen though.... [03:43] early benchmarks have shown that bfs made no difference at this level [03:44] but I agree that the current scheduler is probably far too complicated: you add so many cases that it gets slower [03:44] good luck ;-) [03:44] =) thanks [03:44] e01 (~OSCorp01@new-tech.ro-ni.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [03:44] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [03:44] well, breakfast while deadbeef is building [03:45] bah, done building ^^ [03:45] RAAAAHHHHHH! [03:46] doesn't respect the windo manager hints regarding window placement (other screen), the _only_ other apps not respecting them are mozilla softwares [03:47] well, the developer is pretty cooperative. and he's just joined #deadbeefplayer, talk to him. > waker < [03:47] yeah, it's a fairly recent player too unlike firefox [03:49] but firefox, I don't really care: now with seamonkey, when I start the computer, I start seamonkey, fire up an xterm, run ssh, wait for it to login, rattach screen or tmux, do that with another xterm too, check /lastlog on one or two IRC channels, wait a second or two, and move seamonkey by hand to it's proper screen... [03:50] hmm, perf issues, but should be fixable too, anyway, thanks for the info, I hope the code is nice so I can dive init [03:50] s/init/in it/ [03:51] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [03:52] jgeboski (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. 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[04:08] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.75.45) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:09] <_slax0r_> konqueror ftw [04:10] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: [04:10] my browser, when it's ready [04:11] adrien: with session manager, you just save the session and load it when you want [04:11] as I always say: I'm using seamonkey and firefox to keep me motivated: each and everyday, a stupid bug [04:11] and I use both as well :P [04:11] bluetooth is so retarded.... I mounted the phone via blueman, it opened in dolphin fine. I tried transferring a folder with mp3s, and bluetooth crashed, no I can't load it back :-0 [04:12] s/no/now/ [04:12] mako-dono: ah right, but session manager doesn't fit my needs actually: currently 30 tabs, and tabs are moving [04:12] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:12] seamonkey is as bad as firefox but it's a bit less annoying and stupid [04:13] session manager saves automatically [04:13] now it mounts again :/ [04:13] but I usually have more than 150 tabs open [04:13] good nite boys and girls and tecra [04:13] hmmm... a little bit too much [04:13] mako-dono: well, that part never worked well for me ;-) [04:15] oobe (~thingo@insidiousramblings.com) joined ##slackware. [04:15] I have 160tabs right now on this laptop which has ~750MB of ram [04:15] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [04:17] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [04:18] it's much worse on my desktop ~_~ [04:19] btw, one tab I currently have opened: http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/a-new-type-of-phishing-attack/ [04:19] pretty interesting [04:20] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-119515.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:20] ienh (~ienh@silent.noctechant.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [04:21] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [04:23] adrien: interesting indeed [04:23] and they perfected the attack and you don't need to have javascript enabled now [04:24] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) left irc: Read error: Connection timed out [04:25] I don't disable javascript [04:26] I don't either, but some do and quite often say that protects them from everything [04:27] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [04:27] I don't know about that.. but I don't use my usually-open firefox for anything important that requires me to login (email/bank/etc) [04:28] for that I use firefox' private browsing or seamonkey... konqueror for some ugly sites that don't work well with geko [04:29] a damn good attack, I should say :-D [04:29] I only have email and from time to time, train ticket [04:29] and email is gmail (always first tab in the list, and I would have fallen for the aforementionned phishing attack if not for that) and I'm planning to move away from gmail [04:30] for email, i receive it in thunderbird and my cell.. I rarely use the web interface [04:30] yeah, I didn't understand what was going on: I was "well, gmail's here, wait, why is the gmail tab there? and why is the loging page different? wait, aaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!" [04:31] adrien: and the url has to be green before you login (if you use firefox) [04:31] common sense [04:31] my problem with moving away from gmail (or continue using it, but with a local copy of my data) is that I have 3GB worth of email there (almost no attachements) [04:31] adrien, imap to the rescue :) [04:32] mako-dono: but you don't always look at it or pay attention, especially when you login once every week at most [04:32] slava_dp: yup [04:32] adrien: oh.. I do. and I tought everyone in this house to do exactly that [04:32] only problem is that downloading such amounts of data takes time [04:32] if there is no https and and green title, then don't put your password there [04:33] mako-dono: well, I could almost browse without an address bar, I pay almost no attention to it [04:33] browsing is one thing, but entering your password is something else. [04:33] mako-dono: but I never "click" to load gmail: I go to gmail.com and that's it [04:34] it's good that I was the one who tough everyone in my house how to use the web... always teach them the basics right :) [04:34] emma (~em@unaffiliated/emma) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:35] pnq (asdf@AC82F3C6.ipt.aol.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [04:36] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.253) joined ##slackware. [04:37] ;-) [04:37] on the other hand, whenever I have a doubt, I check everything, and if the doubt doesn't completely go away, I don't login ;-) [04:38] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [04:38] damn, this bluetooth module gives me radio interference (beeps and noise) in the headphones! :-0 wtf [04:39] do all of them do that? [04:39] what kind of headphones? wireless? [04:39] no, wired, but my headphone port is next to the usb port on the front plate of the case [04:39] if the headphones aren't wireless, then no... not all of them do that.. your soundcard sucks [04:40] so it's down to the souncard to filter that kind of stuff? [04:40] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) joined ##slackware. [04:41] i'm with the onboard audio, an intel HDA here. [04:41] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [04:41] I've never had a problem and I have two bluetooth dongles right next to the headphone jack just like you [04:42] kurt__ (~kurt@static243-165-183.mimer.net) joined ##slackware. [04:42] what kind of soundcard do you have? [04:42] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-100-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de) joined ##slackware. [04:42] saymoo (~saymoo@unaffiliated/saymoo) joined ##slackware. [04:44] slava_dp: I have onboard nvidia HDA (AD1988 chip) [04:45] the sound is good.. it still gets affected by noise a little bit but bluetooth doesn't affect the noise level [04:46] righty... then I guess I'm just unlucky with this module... it's an old one too, I just brought it for tests with slackware 13.1. [04:47] it's bluetooth 1.2 [04:47] most onboard soundcards get affected by noise.. and some computer hardware causes more noise than others depending on the sound hardware [04:47] hello [04:47] hi [04:48] how is 13.1 received by the public? [04:48] worth upgrading? [04:48] (from 13.0) [04:48] I haven't upgraded from 13 yet, but i'm going to do it soon [04:48] TrollMaster_ (~chatzilla@112.135.7.16) joined ##slackware. [04:49] saymoo, every new slackware is better than the previous slackwares ;) [04:49] hehe [04:49] i have 3 13.1 boxes, all work well. [04:49] no problems encountered during upgrade? [04:49] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-205.dial.telus.net) left irc: Quit: Client exited [04:49] (breakage etc) [04:49] this isn't ubuntu :P [04:49] lmao [04:50] saymoo, just read UPGRADE.TXT and other docs wrt to libata switch, and upgrade slackpkg first. [04:51] or do a clean install ;/ [04:51] yes, i know, but still.. sometimes there might be a error, which isn't documented as errata [04:51] well, i'm considering to upgrade my slack box... [04:51] (server) [04:51] my router had no errors when I upgraded to 13.1 [04:51] router/server :P [04:52] TrollMaster (~chatzilla@112.135.27.42) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [04:52] Nick change: TrollMaster_ -> TrollMaster [04:53] new install, would be my last resort.. i don't want spending a day reinstalling/configuring the box. [04:53] :P [04:54] that's why i ask the enduserbase, for their opinion [04:54] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-33-165.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [04:54] about how the upgrade works in practise (experiences) [04:54] I did a clean install on my server anyway.. I was upgrading from slack11 ;/ [04:54] 3 boxen: all is fine :-) [04:55] hmm [04:55] slava_dp, you did an upgrade from 13.0 [04:55] ? [04:55] i have a problem with 13.1 [04:55] or earlier version? [04:55] saymoo, yes [04:55] ok [04:56] upgrading from versions earlier than 13 is not recommended [04:56] valgor, tell us more :) [04:57] problem with mouse [04:57] mako-dono, i know.. :) [04:57] somethimes its do not work after boot [04:58] Action: slava_dp telepathically analyzes valgor's mouse [04:58] valgor, any logs? :-) [04:58] valgor, as in totally nonresponsive? or all mousebuttons, or scrollwheel? [04:58] i see no any mess in /var/log* about problem [04:58] I just installed ubuntu 10.04 on two laptops last week.. the best thing about ubuntu is that windows users will feel that it's easier [04:58] totally nonresponsive [04:59] mako-dono, and a bigger repo [04:59] the only way - is reboot [04:59] and then 50% chance of working :) [05:00] mako-dono, for lazy use, ubuntu is quite nice. but then again, less stable (and customizable) [05:00] xD [05:00] playing with xinput and mpx: I now have two cursors on screen (touchpad + external mouse) /o\ [05:01] i used every ver of slack since 11.0 to 13.0 on diff comps and never had such problem... [05:01] another symptom - [05:01] valgor, try uncommenting the last line in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf. [05:02] and rebooting, let's see how that goes. [05:02] mako-dono, and above all other differences: ubuntu is bloat ware .. mem/cpu hog! :P [05:02] then mouse didn't work - also the very first keypress on keyboad is eaten [05:02] completely useless ^^ [05:02] aftr that keyboard works well [05:02] it was just a wild suggestion [05:03] yes, i tried uncommenting the last line in /etc/modprobe.d/psmouse.conf. - no success [05:04] saymoo: yeah... I installed it for sis-in-law few days ago... she thought it was easier and faster than windows [05:04] kozandr (~kozandr@irc.netall.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:04] coming from vista [05:04] hehe [05:04] and the conclusion: ?? [05:04] so being a bloatware doesn't matter if it works well... [05:05] i use it too.. but only for desktop sakes [05:05] I told her, if you keep you windows open, bugs come inside... she said, throw the big bug out of the window and close it for good [05:05] for servers, no way i would use it [05:05] lol [05:06] mako-dono, rofl [05:06] i keep that in mind, when someone has another windows problem... [05:07] "if you keep you windows open, bugs come inside... she said, throw the big bug out of the window and close it for good" [05:07] especially the first part [05:07] :P [05:07] :) [05:08] bugbusters to the rescue [05:08] :P [05:08] for good [05:08] noobfarmed, for sure :D [05:09] there was also: "your AC will be less efficient" but omitted that because it doesn't make it more interesting :P [05:09] lol [05:09] i guess most wouldn't understand the "ac" joke [05:10] you would if you live where I do ;) [05:10] lol [05:10] even noobs? [05:10] lol [05:11] not total noobs :P [05:12] hehe [05:12] saymoo: have her run 'xroach' ;-) [05:12] rofl [05:12] I use slack for desktop and servers. ubuntu can get retarded sometimes. on that laptop, the livecd detected and installed nvidia's gfx drivers without problems. but when I installed it, ubuntu couldn't even detect nvidia's gfx [05:13] eh? [05:13] exactly [05:13] ubuntu and not detecting nvidia ? [05:13] it gives you 'wtf' kind of feeling [05:13] wow... [05:13] indeed [05:13] the live cd had no problem detecting it though [05:13] hmm [05:14] a boo boo during fysical install process [05:14] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: leaving [05:14] and this is not the first time this happens.. it happened when I installed on my brother's desktop as well [05:14] hmmm [05:15] well, from what i heard, nvidia and upstart/plymouth gives at times problems [05:15] under ubuntu 10.04 [05:15] <_slax0r_> can I use LDAP for sendmail SMTP AUTH? [05:15] and some intel gpu[ too for that matter [05:15] the solution was to install the driver manually from synaptics. it works after that without problems [05:16] you mean synaptic surely [05:16] _slax0r_, should be possible [05:16] yup [05:16] an extra s for free [05:16] <_slax0r_> saymoo, without PAM? [05:16] _slax0r_, not that i know of [05:17] although ldap is highly configurable [05:17] <_slax0r_> I'm reading one site though [05:18] <_slax0r_> the guy used sasl to auth against PAM, and PAM was connected to LDAP [05:18] <_slax0r_> fuxed :S [05:18] lol [05:18] why omitting pam? [05:19] any particular reason? [05:19] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [05:20] because slack comes without pam [05:20] right [05:20] lol [05:20] ? [05:20] but can pam come without...\ [05:21] oh never mind... [05:21] I think sendmail supports ldap auth [05:21] or install pam [05:21] :P [05:21] you need pam if you want to grant user access with ldap [05:21] pam is widely used, never knew slack didn't include it.. i wonder why that is [05:22] or use some black magic [05:22] if you have one or more programs and you want to use ldap, only the applications need ldap support. the system doesnt care [05:22] saymoo, Pat thinks pam is an unnesessary level of complexity. [05:23] slava_dp, yes, might be, but still include it for those who whishes to use it.. (package selection option during install) [05:23] you can put pam on slackware if you really want to. [05:23] its not as easy as that [05:24] if you really want to provide PAM, you'll have to compile it into a lot of packages [05:24] just adding the pam stuff as a package wont do [05:24] <_slax0r_> saymoo, PAM is evil [05:24] <_slax0r_> I don't want it [05:24] <_slax0r_> :P [05:25] <_slax0r_> or use some black magic [05:25] <_slax0r_> I'd preffer that :P [05:25] meh [05:25] its wild [05:25] well, not entirely correct [05:26] It gets hairy if you want AD integration in a slackware box without pam [05:26] pam really makes that easy. [05:26] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [05:27] it might be easier if you have a ldap server which isnt part of an AD but I never looked into that [05:27] if it's all unix you can still use NIS [05:27] which is kinda oldschool wbut works [05:29] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [05:30] hmm [05:31] but still.. some might need it, for administration sakes [05:31] and i would make it so, not installed by default, but can be done, if really want too. [05:31] (during install) [05:32] freedom of choice [05:32] :P [05:32] I told you, that would require recompile for a lot of default libs [05:32] saymoo, this is a (mostly) one-man distro. it's either in or out. [05:32] and? [05:32] in that case it makes no sense to have PAM not in the default collection [05:32] slava_dp, not really.. there is quite a huge team for slack [05:33] only pat makes the end descisions [05:33] saymoo, I wouldn't call it huge. [05:33] huge? [05:33] what are you smoking dough boy? [05:33] <_slax0r_> I'm starting to think authing against shadow would be an easier job [05:33] whatever kind of weed you smoke to make crazy comments like that, i want some of it! [05:34] well, huge enough, that if pat quits, or worse, the project keeps alive [05:34] _slax0r_: have you asked in #sendmail? [05:34] huge has a very particular meaning in the english language [05:34] mancha, like? [05:35] like not the small crew of contributors that help pat out [05:35] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.228) joined ##slackware. [05:35] huge is contra tiny [05:35] lol [05:35] thats what she said [05:35] hehe [05:35] ok.. "large" better? [05:35] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:36] uh, no ? [05:36] lol [05:36] mrcarrot (1000@86-60-156-248-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [05:36] "mediocre sized?" [05:36] uhh something wrong with my Nvidia kernel module ... [05:36] the word 'small' is what you are looking for, saymoo ;) [05:37] we're looking for words like "small", "reduced", "skeleton", "minimal" here... [05:37] lol [05:37] darnit [05:37] you're looking for synonyms on the wrong page of your thesaurus [05:37] but i.... [05:37] of forget it.. :P [05:37] oh* [05:38] hrm [05:38] anyway, top dev's [05:38] :P [05:38] if I have the money I should probably buy the new slack [05:38] i know to word: EPIC [05:38] epic team [05:39] :) [05:39] I would buy the new slack if for the list price. but the added shipping cost makes it too much at the moment. [05:39] hmm [05:39] quick price quote? [05:40] hopefully my salary gets better soon :) [05:40] slava_dp: I probably add another t-shirt to it to make it worthwile [05:40] saymoo, store.slackware.com [05:40] slava_dp: but last time the euro/dollar was better [05:40] right now, its quite the opposite [05:41] slava_dp: you can also donate straight to the project [05:41] valgor (~596fb03c@gateway/web/freenode/x-zvvqvyonvahnynio) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [05:41] isn't there an european outlet? [05:41] without ordering [05:41] for slack store? [05:41] slackytude, hryvnia/dollar hasn't very good rate now either ;-) [05:41] no [05:42] hmm that's approx 70 euro's to get it here [05:42] (including shipping) [05:42] huh? [05:42] i think running updatedb daily is excessive, who's with me? [05:44] mancha, I run find :-) [05:44] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [05:44] i have to confess that it is so seldom i am searching for a file that i try first with locate as it is easy [05:44] find is having a such syntax that i need to read the manual each time [05:45] find is awesome :-) [05:45] i'm going to make a biweekly cron for it, that shoudl be enough [05:45] find is good but the search function in mc is getting me done more fast [05:45] Action: mrcarrot can never remember the syntax of find.... [05:46] i guess i am searching for a file too seldom [05:46] saymoo: comes to 52 euro [05:46] whoops [05:46] saymoo: I mean, thats the sum I come up with [05:46] Hi. May I ask something I really I'm stumped with regarding to slackbuilds? Let me use this example, if you will: http://www.slackwiki.org/Writing_A_SlackBuild_Script. Why first declare ARCH to be ARCH=${ARCH:-i486} (which gives i486 as result) and then the script performs an IF statement: if [ "$ARCH" = "i486" ]; (..) elif [ "$ARCH" = "x86_64" ]; ?? [05:46] i did the intl. express delivery [05:46] :P [05:46] meh [05:46] I mean, ARCH is already being i486, I don't understand the comparison [05:46] Punker: it does not: it defines ARCH to i486 if the variable wasn't already set [05:46] l [05:47] so if you set it as an environment variable first... [05:47] yeah, if $ARCH is set in bash it will use that [05:47] Punker, the syntax :- assigns the var if it was unassigned previously. [05:47] slackytude, indeed.. with airmail it[ way cheaper [05:47] Punker, man bash, parameter expansion section ;) [05:47] hell, yes [05:47] but takes longer to deliver [05:48] who cares [05:48] Action: adrien hugs slava_dp again [05:48] if you want it fast, get a torrent [05:48] lol. i know [05:48] its not like you cant get 13.1 right now if you want it [05:48] but we where talking about purchasing [05:48] (aka donating way) [05:48] adrien, for what? :-) [05:48] yes, but I really dont care if it takes a week to get here [05:48] slava_dp, I underatand, thank you. But if I want to build an script depending on arch maybe I should do something like ARCH=${uname -a} and then stablish a comparison to use specific -march and -mtune ? [05:49] make that two [05:49] slava_dp: pointing me to a player that handles .cue files ;-) [05:49] if unlucky [05:49] and airmail.. hmm mail could get lost [05:49] Punker, that's what the newer template does. see http://slackbuilds.org/template.SlackBuild [05:49] sorry. uname -m* [05:49] why to donate to the shipping companies? it is possible to donate straight to the project without buying anything [05:49] (express not so much, it[ insured) [05:49] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [05:49] mrcarrot: because I want to have it [05:49] Vanger (~Vanger@80.91.178.197) joined ##slackware. [05:49] slava_dp, didn't notice the existence of that template. Thanks a lot. [05:49] and a t-shirt [05:50] :) [05:50] Punker, yw :) [05:50] well, a t-shirt would not be bad [05:50] the iso i can download... but not a t-shirt [05:50] but still 52 euro is a bit steep [05:50] Action: slava_dp downloads a t-shirt for mrcarrot [05:50] with the current currency rate [05:51] thanks slava_dp [05:51] Action: mrcarrot feels a lot more fresh with a new clean t-shirt [05:51] uhh I thought the novoure is diffrent nvidia driver than nv ... [05:51] I can't remeber what I paid for 13 right now. less than that. still, Id do it, but I need to save some moneyz [05:52] anyway.. i'm going to logoff [05:52] heading home [05:52] :) [05:52] see ya saymoo [05:52] nice talking to you all [05:52] bye [05:52] till next time.. [05:52] :) [05:52] saymoo (~saymoo@unaffiliated/saymoo) left irc: Quit: Ik ga weg [05:52] uhh I am stuck : when trying to reinstall the nvidia properiatary drivers I get inproper kernel source modules hmmm .... [05:53] what kernel are you running? [05:53] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [05:54] is it the default smp? [05:54] 2.6.33.4-smp [05:55] and you have the kernel headers/source installed? [05:55] but Did slackware dropped the old nv driver and now uses the novoue, right ? [05:55] uhh donno ... I am synced with current so I suppose I have , wait [05:56] seems so I have 2.6.33.4-smp-source-noarch1 package [05:56] how about the header package? [05:56] that's not how slackware names it's packages. [05:57] or did you install new headers from source? [05:57] Action: slava_dp suspects fraud [05:57] install kernel-headers-2.6.33.4_smp-x86-1.txz from d [05:58] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88E89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [05:58] slava_dp? [05:58] wut? [05:58] 12:54 * slava_dp suspects fraud [05:58] slava_dp: kernel-source-blahablah to be exact [05:58] nm. gotta do the work and stop ircing. [05:59] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88CC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined ##slackware. [06:00] archmatrix (~archmatri@113.252.248.138) joined ##slackware. [06:02] Srbo (~Srbo@79.101.240.49) joined ##slackware. [06:02] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [06:03] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) joined ##slackware. [06:04] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-33-165.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:04] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [06:04] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:05] mrcarrot: uhh still that does not help ... [06:06] I ge the message cannot find the file nvidia.ko and then suggestion that I have broken the kernel sources or wrong gcc or something [06:06] paul424, maybe your nvidia drivers are just not on par with your kernel [06:06] hmmm wait :P [06:06] What version of nvidia drivers do you use? [06:07] archmatrix (archmatri@113.252.248.138) left ##slackware ("WeeChat 0.3.2"). [06:08] ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-195.36.15-pkg1.run and worked till today ... hmm I didn't change the kernel since that ... but I see there;'s never version [06:08] Hubbe (~jonatan@user218.77-105-194.netatonce.net) joined ##slackware. [06:08] brb [06:08] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Client Quit [06:08] gogie_ (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [06:09] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) joined ##slackware. [06:09] nice day to all... [06:11] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [06:11] Nick change: gogie_ -> gogie [06:11] btw, has anyone at all been trying to integrate ltsp into slackware.... [06:11] anyone using mac on 13.1? (mac, the ape decoder) [06:11] i could get several schools to run slackware if a such package would exist [06:12] adrien: i have not been trying yet... i have not been digging up my ape files [06:12] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [06:13] djowf (~winf@S010600a0c9f65f64.wp.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [06:13] doesn't compile here, fix looks obvious [06:13] mrcarrot, I've found a success story on 12.2, but it is on Russian [06:13] mrcarrot: integrate lisp? like clisp? [06:13] Though, you may try your luck with a translator - http://mldav.blogspot.com/2009/02/ltsp-slackware-122.html [06:13] is it with ltsp 4.x? [06:14] adrien: ltsp = linux terminal server project [06:14] Ah, I'm sorry, I misread - that guy had made his ltsp analogue [06:14] He experienced keyboard driver problems on ltsp-4.2 [06:14] mrcarrot: gah, I read "lisp" instead of "ltsp" ;-) [06:14] Stuck keys, etc [06:15] it would almost need to be ltsp 5 [06:15] otherwise the hardware support is too poor [06:16] ok, mac builds properly with the obvious patch (s/char/const char/ five times) [06:17] I wouldn't mind an easy way to contrib patches to slackbuilds.org, of course, you can send a mail but I'd like a "box" to drop temporary patches [06:17] ghmm os seems that on 2.6.33 linux dropped nv and now uses nvidia [06:17] nvidia? what? [06:17] what was the www site which benchmariking issues ... I wander [06:17] err s/nvidia/nouveau [06:17] ah, for opensuse, ok ;-) [06:17] ah, better :P [06:18] paul424, have you seen http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/unable-to-install-nvidia-driver-195-36-24-after-kernel-upgrade-805813/#post3957934 ? [06:20] i think slackware would be the perfect ltsp distro [06:20] if it only had ltsp 5 [06:21] right now those schools i know are running ubuntu and debian [06:21] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:21] and it has been just bugs after bugs [06:21] a few weeks ago even the file system got messed up in ubuntu [06:21] and on debian it has been hangs with famd [06:21] mcury (~mcury@189.24.22.66) joined ##slackware. [06:22] the ubuntu server was running xfs... which should be stable [06:23] it has been problem with terminals hanging because of bad xorg drivers [06:23] Everything is stable. Except of btrfs. [06:23] but not with ubuntu... [06:23] there strange things are happening [06:24] ghosts [06:24] or bad kharma [06:24] or bleeding edge [06:25] slackware is also having some bleeding edge software but they are well tested to work [06:25] "Bleeding edge" and "well tested" seems like an oxymoron for me [06:25] and slackware is updating to next version if needed... for example with pidgin [06:25] And I earn my living as a QA engineer [06:26] slackware's not bleeding edge, it's recent, but not bleeding edge [06:26] anybody here use a server as a desktop or for screen sessions? (home use) [06:26] Hubbe (~jonatan@user218.77-105-194.netatonce.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:26] Action: adrien is accidentally a not-yet-2.6.35 kernel [06:26] Nick change: TrollMaster -> Ps3-Jack [06:26] i am noticing a shift in slackware philosophy...towards the earlier adoption of new versionof things [06:26] it is okay, as long as they are working... [06:26] dustybin: why? [06:27] adrien: i just had a idea.. im not sure if its a good idea using my server as a desktop. [06:27] the pidgin update was in part due to us :) [06:27] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-50-119.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [06:27] Its never a good idea to use production server as a desktop [06:27] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.70.207) joined ##slackware. [06:27] my mother in law is from another country... and i installed ubuntu ltsp for her (a bad choice, i should have been installing slackware) [06:27] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.36.94) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:27] But in most cases it's tolerable [06:27] dustybin: define server, define desktop and give your idea ;p [06:27] Vanger: this is home use [06:27] mancha: really? cant say I have. Id say the frequency or releases in the linux world gets higher [06:28] adrien: maybe a screen session is tolerable :D [06:28] and yahoo and ms started to cooperate... making it impossible to use old pidgin for yahoo chats [06:28] Home use server? You can run a pirated WoW server on it then, if you wish [06:28] "cooperate"? ms bought yahoo! :) [06:28] ubuntu would not update... leaving everybody without a useful pidgin [06:28] <_slax0r_> _slax0r_: have you asked in #sendmail? [06:28] <_slax0r_> not really [06:28] slackware updated [06:28] <_slax0r_> I love you guys more :P [06:29] dustybin: you still haven't said what you wanted to do [06:29] adrien: irc, browsing web etc, just basic stuff [06:30] And what is your server for? [06:30] mrcarrot: yeah, that annoys me. They standardise on a set of apps, whether they work or not, and only backport critical security updates until the next version in 6 months. Rhythmbox is completely useless to me because htere's a bug in how it handles stuff on SMB that wasn't caught before they decided to release Lucid so I'm forced to wait until at least october before I see a fix [06:31] Vanger: asterisk, mythtv backend, postfix, bind, heyu [06:31] adrien: [06:31] dustybin, risk would be tolerable for me [06:31] aye ok [06:32] LSD`: yes, that is what makes me really hate ubuntu/debian.... they think a useless app is better than a working one if they have to upgrade [06:32] adamk` (~user@h-67-102-187-37.phlapafg.static.covad.net) joined ##slackware. [06:32] dngr- (~dngr@n112118162201.netvigator.com) joined ##slackware. [06:33] apt-get is convenient but i rather run slackware knowing that my programs will work and will get updates [06:33] mrcarrot: It tends to be worse with LTS releases. They let a lot of things slide because they know they have 2-3 years to fix it [06:33] yes [06:33] jkwood_ (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [06:34] dngr (~dngr@n112118162201.netvigator.com) left irc: Quit: disconnecting from stoned server. [06:34] jkwood (~jkwood@70.87.222.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:34] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:34] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@antimatter.interrobanger.com) joined ##slackware. [06:34] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@antimatter.interrobanger.com) left irc: Changing host [06:34] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [06:34] uhh may I use the gcc for x86_64 ? http://connie.slackware.com/~alien/multilib/13.0/ [06:34] adamk (~user@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:34] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [06:34] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [06:34] mbohun (~mbohun@ppp115-156.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:35] uhh on 32 bit arch ? 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[06:39] yout 32-bits installation is already having gcc [06:40] If you want to compile 64-bit software paul424 then you need slackware64 [06:41] Also, 32-bit gcc supports cross-compile, afair, but why wiould you need 64-bit binaries on 32-bit system is unknown to me [06:41] forget what I said above I have 32 bit machine and I come across at your repo which offers 64bit packages [06:41] I just suggested cause that info says one can produce 32 bit binaries wiht this as well :P [06:41] why would you want 64bit packages on a 32bit machine? [06:42] paul424: indeed that package can create 32-bit binaries.... on slackware64! [06:42] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [06:43] If I put Option "Ignore" "true" in the laptop monitor section of xorg.conf, I can't start X by startx. why not? [06:43] paul424, you see, gcc can cross-compile - create package for another architecture that system has - compile sparc on or arm or else on x86, for instance [06:43] But that gcc is itself compiled for x86_64, so it is unlikely that it will run for you [06:43] It's a problem unique to slackware. [06:44] You should have native gcc on your 32-bit installation [06:44] alienBOB: might I propose that the 'if [ ! "${MTU[$i]}" = "" ];' stanza in rc.inet1 be moved from before the DHCP check to *after* it. Currently as it stands, MTU[0]=1500 in rc.inet1.conf gets overwritten by whatever the DHCP server sets it to. Another soln would be to append this option to DHCP_OPTIONS. [06:44] because you're telling it to ignore your monitor? [06:44] what are you trying to achieve>? [06:45] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.38.10) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:46] Vanger: yes I just learned that :P [06:46] Ok [06:46] Siegex don't you usually want to reduce your mtu based on what the links provide upstream? [06:46] hmm http://repository.slacky.eu/slackware-13.0/ why there are no packages directory ... hmm how to look for gcc ? [06:46] uhh I\ try to downgrade the gcc in order to try to build the nvidia driver [06:46] Don't you have gcc already [06:46] paul424: there is slackpkg [06:47] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.157) joined ##slackware. [06:47] anyway I have strange feeling that in 2d the novoue works faster then the properiatary nvidia dirver, does anyone has such feeling [06:47] mancha: well, if you intent is to override the MTU, then it should override even DHCP-set MTU. For some asinine reason, comcast sets my MTU to 576 via DHCP [06:48] lol [06:48] comcast [06:48] if you're a power user and you want to override whatever anyone says then yes. in general you want to have your setting be downgraded if upstream says so [06:48] slackytude: hmm yeap but when changing the mirror to some containg slack 13.0 I got still the same gcc version proposed ... maybe I need somehow get changes to be applied [06:48] paul424: i do not know, but as i never play any 3d games, i never install the properiatary driver [06:48] that said, i can't believe they provide 576, what are they thinking? [06:48] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [06:48] the connection will support more? say 14xx ? [06:49] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.24.37) joined ##slackware. [06:49] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.41.157) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:49] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [06:49] mancha: the reason I found out was because shit stopped working right all of a sudden. this was months ago and I notified them of this [06:50] 576 as MTU is crap [06:50] It worked at one time, i.e. gave me an MTU of 1500. I havn't tried to hook up a windows box to the modem to see if the results are different [06:50] I can't think were you would ever set that [06:51] why did things stop woking siege? [06:51] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.120) joined ##slackware. [06:51] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.170.24.37) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [06:52] http://codepad.org/ylYvQI4t [06:52] heh [06:53] hmm to do the full reveres enginering for noveou one would have to know the exact speed of each component of NV processor ...= now exactly how its build ·... oso its a hopeless task until they use electron microscope , right ? [06:54] when websites try to send packets of data more than 576 bytes I believe my box will send an imcp packet telling the server that I would have to fragment with that size and resize it. Many servers don't listen [06:54] not really the website itself [06:54] more the routers on the way [06:56] SiegeX ah ok [06:56] paul424, nVidia is pretty open about it [06:56] yeah, so if the website server is asinine you will get pure fragments [06:56] Read "GPU Gems" [06:56] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) joined ##slackware. [06:56] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [06:56] Hi guys [06:56] apparently "comcast mtu 576" brings up quite a few hits on google [06:56] I use slackware64 13.1 and can't play .wav files in audacious. [06:57] so this isn't just some localized thing [06:57] What's the problem here? [06:57] that mtu sounds like its for dialups :) [06:57] Did PV exclude .wav decoder from audacious? [06:57] did some brainiac over at comcast swap configs by mistake? [06:59] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [06:59] crocket hrmmm, interesting, it should play it... [06:59] clavius2 (James@166.sub-75-216-17.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [06:59] mancha, the problem has been continued since slackware 12 [07:00] It's a problem in 13.1, too [07:00] brb [07:00] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [07:01] No.... [07:01] Slackware DVD doesn't come with p7zip [07:01] crocker, maybe you need plugins? [07:01] mancha, I don't know if I need plugins [07:02] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.228) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:02] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.8.101) left irc: Quit: buh-bye. [07:02] mancha, Does slackware have online official repositories? [07:02] different from DVD [07:03] if you go to preferences in audacious, there's a plugins tab [07:03] check the mirrors list on slackware.com [07:03] it has a place to check/uncheck wavpack. the funny thing is, it is checked here and no .wav still [07:04] mancha, that plugin must be for different kinds of wav files. [07:04] I think slackware audacious doesn't come with the right wav decoders [07:05] slackware's minialistic approach came a little furthur to become a little excluding approach. [07:05] It excludes necessary plugins [07:05] yeah never mind, wavpack is something else [07:06] I think slackware needs a lot of learning. [07:06] Either I need to add repository or I have to compile it myself from original sources. [07:06] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) joined ##slackware. [07:07] mancha, Do slackware people often have to compile instead of using repository? [07:07] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [07:07] crocket: have you been pointed to sbopkg.org ? [07:07] crocket: and slackbuilds.org [07:08] slackytude : I haven't read about package mangement in slackbook [07:08] I better get there quick [07:08] I don't have to read from the beginning to the end [07:08] crocket: just check slackbuilds.org first [07:09] crocket: its a community maintained repo if you will [07:09] jhell (~89d8547e@unaffiliated/cmdlnkid) left irc: Read error: No route to host [07:10] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [07:10] Strykar (~wakka@122.170.59.120) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:10] I still don't understand how many packages PV decided to put in slackware. [07:10] crocket: http://slackfind.net/ - search for packages in several online 3rd-party repositories [07:10] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [07:10] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [07:11] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:11] crocket: some of those repositories have a better name than others. You can always check here about what people know about them [07:12] heya,folks [07:13] asamoah (~caio@190.244.41.59) joined ##slackware. [07:13] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [07:14] Is slackbuilds.org the only third party repository available? [07:14] alienBOB, anything new discovered with VLC 1.1x? [07:15] crocket, no, but it's the only 3rd party repo you may get help with here [07:15] NthDegree (~NthDegree@88-107-191-227.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) joined ##slackware. [07:16] alisonken1home: Does it mean I often need to build slackware packages from source codes? [07:17] or have to? [07:17] Action: Stx always does that [07:18] But im perhaps a bit oldschool. [07:18] crocket, you can find other slackware packages, but like I said, it's the only repo where you may get help here - one fo the problems is that someone who builds a package may not have your same setup and can introduce deps that you may not want to meet [07:18] crocket, sbopkg will somewhat automate that for you. for stuff that isn't on SBo, yes, you have to build it yourself. [07:19] I found a repository, http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/ [07:19] Do you mean those unsupported 3rd party repositories are difficult to use? [07:19] alien is one of the slackware maintainers, so you can probably trust his packages, but it's something that you learn about [07:19] http://slackware.org.uk/people/ <-- these are all fine repos. [07:20] no - not difficult - a slackware package is a slackware package - it's just that not all 3rd party repo's have good quality control on how the packages are built [07:21] crocket: since slackware 12.x or so onwards, I hardly ever found the need to compile a programm from scratch [07:21] most stuff I need is either already in slackware or in slackbuilds.org [07:21] maybe I just dont need a lot of stuff [07:21] MLanden: what new could there be about VLC 1.1x ? [07:22] It's like gentoo without dependency checks. [07:22] correct [07:22] We're thrown out in the cold [07:22] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-iwrdyxyiwreniaap) joined ##slackware. [07:22] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:22] no - you need to look at the slackware philosophy and see if slackware is for you. [07:23] not "thrown out into the cold" [07:23] except that you don't have to compile everything like you do in gentoo [07:23] ok [07:23] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [07:23] crocket: you'll find a lot of pre-compiled packages. SlackBuilds.org is there for you when you (1) can not find a package or (2) want to build from source anyway [07:23] I chose slackware to see if I can configure my system well. [07:23] hmnm changing to the gcc 4.3.4 help nothing , besides now I don't pass the cc sanity test [07:23] slackware works as it is. you don't need to compile anything unless you need something that is not included in slackware's release [07:24] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [07:24] paul424: the nvidia driver compiles fine with Slackware's gcc [07:24] it's what I use on my machine at home (nvidia) [07:24] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:25] Can I manage all those online repositories with slackpkg? [07:25] alienBoB: uhh any non-ancient gcc version right ? [07:25] or [07:25] crocket: nope [07:25] crocket: no [07:25] ok [07:26] something like sboxpkg I don't remember exactly [07:26] slackpkg is only for the official slackware repo - meaning the packages that come on the official cds/dvd [07:26] sbopkg is the ncurses frontend for slackbuilds.org [07:26] sbopkg [07:26] crocket, slackpkg is for the official package tree. sbopkg is for slackbuilds.org; anything else, you download and install manually. [07:26] sbopkg is for all third party repositories? [07:26] just slackbuilds.org [07:26] how about http://slackware.org.uk/people/alien/slackbuilds/? [07:26] no sbopkg is a take on slackbuilds.org package manager [07:27] as pointed to earlier - look at the people page earlier, and if it's one of the slackware maintainers, there's a good chance you can trust his rep [07:27] crocket, for alien's repo, you download manually. [07:27] repo [07:27] but sbopkg is _only_ for slackbuilds.org [07:28] ok [07:28] Nick change: mako-dono -> mako-sama [07:28] crocket, the packages in slackware aren't split into a million small packs, like in other distros. it's one package - one program or library. easy to wget && installpkg. [07:28] I'm still baffled about where to touch. [07:29] alienBOB, any issues with H264? [07:29] avoid touching minors [07:29] slava_dp : ok we can use intallpkg for all third-party and official packages [07:29] easy to remember - slackware for official packages as found on the install cds/dvd, sbopkg for unofficialy 3rd party packages that we will help you with, and anything else is on your own [07:30] Slackware package management should come early in slackbook [07:30] crocket, yes, pkgtools are for all packages, slackware's or 3rd-party. [07:30] installpkg is used to install _any_ slackware package. it's just a matter of _where_ the package comes from that will decide if you will possibly get help from here [07:31] crocket: yes, it's installpkg, removepkg and upgradepgk. stuff like slackpkg and sbopkg call these scripts. and there is pkgtool which gives you a nice ncurses shell for the various stuff [07:31] slackytude: It's simpler than I thought. [07:31] its slackware [07:31] kiss [07:31] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [07:31] or K.I.S.S. [07:31] Does sbopkg check for dependencies? [07:31] awesomeness KISS [07:31] xD [07:31] rather [07:32] crocket, no [07:32] as a rule, there is no dependency checking [07:32] I heard some package managers in slackware check dependencies. [07:32] maybe heard wrong [07:32] there are some 3rd party package tools that will do dependency checking, but they are not supported here [07:32] crocket: 3rd party package managers.. not recommended at all and are not supported [07:32] sbopkg is the closest to 3rd party package management that you may get help with [07:32] crocket, in sbopkg, you look at the README of every package, and add all deps and the program you need to the queue, then build the queue. [07:33] I risk ostracism, but slapt-get is just fine for me [07:33] and make sure the dependencies are built in the proper order [07:33] Action: slava_dp kicks Vanger [07:33] Ah right, slapt-get [07:33] It does dependency checking [07:33] and things break often [07:33] Vanger, as long as you don't ask for help here when something borks, you can use whatever you want [07:33] "slap"t-get [07:33] s"apt-get" [07:33] Using meta-info in packages. If slack-required is filled properly - its ok. Otherwise - it is not [07:33] sl"apt-get" rather [07:34] It's just a joke [07:34] alisonken1home, but I am spreading heresy [07:34] and swaret. and there used to be emerede [07:34] emerde ? [07:34] yeah, that [07:34] lots of third party tools [07:34] slackware sucks and MS-DOS roxx [07:34] first time i hear about that one [07:34] eguana [07:34] like emerge+merde? [07:34] Ps3-Jack, well, DOS was good, not so much MS-DOS [07:34] slapt-get seems to be the longest living one [07:34] Ps3-Jack: slackware sucks? [07:34] Does anybody was using geben+emacs+xdebug on slackware 13.1 RC1? I have compiled everything, and according to phpinifo() xdebug is installego correctly, but it deosn't even sends SYN packet to geben. [07:34] Ps3-Jack, try PTR-DOS [07:35] pi31415 (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [07:35] or even DR-DOS or freedos [07:35] freedos is quite nice [07:35] comes with vim ^-^ [07:36] running dos in virtualbox isnt funky tho [07:36] cpu at 100% most of the time [07:36] nice - been a while since I checked out freedos [07:36] it even has links [07:36] never got it to work tho [07:36] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [07:36] CP-M FTW [07:36] ha [07:36] oldschool [07:36] yep [07:37] Bloated java-based enviroment for the future! [07:37] java is the new cobol [07:37] slackytude, links is a nice addition over the old arachne...that is if you can get it workin' [07:37] alisonken1home: it has been a long time since freedos rolled a release. the packages are significantly newer than the freedos 1.0 release [07:38] BTW, can I play Fallout on FreeDOS? [07:38] alisonken1home: so if you do check out freedos, I would recommend that you go straight to the packages [07:38] I had trouble getting any kind of networking with freedos and virtualbox [07:38] crocket (cc: alienbob) - the reason audacious doesn't play .wav is becuase the plugin package need libsndfile present. [07:38] I just used a mounted floppy image in the end to transfer files from host to guest [07:39] whiskas (~mc@87.72.242.147) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:39] mancha, if I install libsndfile, then I can play .wav files in audacious? [07:39] and vice versa [07:39] Vanger: rather use dosbox [07:40] it's a compile time req that's why i let alienBOB know...so if they decided to fix it they can do it upstream (and credit mancha) [07:40] Dosbox won't be able to run it [07:40] Dosbox had troubles with Strife [07:40] why not? [07:40] I think I played fallout2 in dosbox [07:41] No, you don't [07:41] Fallout 2 was Windows-only [07:41] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [07:42] Vanger: That won't stop him from THKINKING he played it in dosbox. ;) [07:42] http://www.dosbox.com/comp_list.php?showID=1647&letter=F [07:42] it seems that freedos could be faster than dosbox [07:42] Dexter (~dexter@219.64.95.198) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [07:42] I suggest slackware includes libsndfile [07:43] slackytude, sorry, it is Fallout 1 [07:43] You know, where you seek water chip [07:43] I know [07:43] better satisfy dependencies beforehand [07:44] FriedBob: bah [07:44] might have been wine [07:44] Most probably [07:44] pretty sure I played it in linux [07:44] By the way, wicd was included in slackware64 folder of slackware64 13.1 ISO. [07:44] Why wasn't it installed in the first place? [07:45] slackytude: Don't mind me. [07:45] I chose the full installation. [07:45] it is in /extra [07:45] FriedBob: nah, you are funny [07:45] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Quit: Papaver Somniferum [07:45] I just wish you would shower more often [07:45] :P [07:45] pat is slow to include wicd in the mainline part of the distrib and relegates it to "extra" not sure what logic he uses for that [07:46] crocket, hmm - I have a copy of the official slackware tree and wicd is still in extra [07:46] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [07:46] slackytude: Funny, my wifes says the same thing. [07:46] so yes, it won't get installed on a "full" install [07:46] crocket, slackpkg lived in extra for several releases before being accepted in the tree around slack 12.1 [07:46] Does PV wants to punish us? [07:46] but you can find it on the media [07:46] FriedBob: too much info [07:46] mancha, because wicd is still new enough and he doesn't know the maintainer? [07:46] It took several hours to figure out how to configure wireless network. [07:46] not really. for a lot of uses cases, wicd isnt needed [07:47] pi31415, some software does run faster...one thing to tackle is the SB emulation [07:47] slackytude, I use WPAPSK/TKIP [07:47] and if you need it a slackpkg --install wicd will fetch it [07:47] true [07:47] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [07:47] slackpkg install wicd (without dashes) IIRC [07:47] crocket, I use wpapsk/tkip too, and I don't use wicd :) [07:47] we can all come up with "reasons" he might not include it in the full install. but none of them make sense to me, tbh [07:47] :) [07:48] crocket: still, the defaults are still good for a great number of people. mainly most desktop systems [07:48] people... don't use TKIP... use CCMP. TKIP is vulnerable. [07:48] I use wpa-psk as well, but on 3 or 4 different networks, so wicd helps me [07:48] i use wpa2 [07:48] and wpa2 [07:48] crocket: "man rc.inet1.conf" will tell you how to configure your network [07:48] and openvpn on top of that when it is important enough [07:48] mancha: I think he is just a slacker [07:49] alienBOB : configuring DHCP in rc.inet1.conf slows boot process. [07:49] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD6AC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [07:49] http://itknowledgeexchange.techtarget.com/security-corner/wpa-now-vulnerable-to-attack/ [07:49] crocket, i've done my part, i have reported the libsndfile req for playing wav files in audacious [07:49] ^ regarding tkip [07:49] I want gnome in slack.. like the old days [07:49] alienBOB, rc.inet1.conf is still pretty much only for a single wireless network, though - correct? [07:49] uhh what was the gcc whihc compiled the kernel 2.6.33-4 [07:49] alienBOB : I chose wicd as a DHCP client for boot speed. [07:49] mancha: I tried to get libsndfile into Slackware before, but was not successful [07:49] if you want to get an official answer, bother alienBOB, rworkman, or Pat. [07:50] mancha, ok [07:50] alisonken1home: multiple networks [07:50] alienBOB, any good reason for the exclusion? [07:50] kurt__: I think there are projects offering GNOME in Slackware [07:50] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) joined ##slackware. [07:50] Roin, I know, but it's not the same [07:51] kurt__, install gsb [07:51] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) joined ##slackware. [07:51] uhh what was the gcc version which compiled the kernel 2.6.33-4 ? [07:51] I get this error when I try to open X11 apps by ssh. Error: Can't open display: localhost:11.0 [07:52] slava_dp, I think it intrudes too much [07:52] alienBOB, based on man rc.inet1.conf, it shows only a single wireless interface supported [07:52] kurt__: there are a lot of fine gnome based distros [07:52] slava_dp, gware was good, but it's not up to date. [07:52] meaning "selecting a specific wireless AP based on which ssid is found" [07:52] alisonken1home: plus, DHCP client on boot time slows boot process. [07:53] crocket, that's not so much an issue [07:53] at least for me [07:53] slackytude, Yeah, there is :) But it would be nice to have the choice in slackware. I'm a gnome kinda guy.. and I also like slackware alot.. [07:53] http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=slackware:network&s[]=wifi <-- I think thats a good guide to configure wifi networks (afterall you canm always use WICD?) [07:54] I really dislike gnome myself [07:54] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Quit: leaving [07:55] slackytude, I've looked at gware's buildscript.. Maybe I'll be crazy enough this summer to build gnome for 13.1.. :) [07:55] kurt__: godspeed :P [07:55] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) joined ##slackware. [07:55] When would the new slackbook be published? [07:55] I'm wating for it [07:55] Ive seen a nice openbox distro today [07:55] waiting [07:56] personally I think XFCE is a better GTK based Desktop Enviroment than GNOME [07:56] Metacity is just a pain :( [07:56] Roin, what exactly is metacity? [07:56] http://www.slitaz.org/en/about/index.html [07:56] very nice [07:56] crocket: the WIndow Manager of GNOME [07:56] slackytude, Yeah, I think I need it :) [07:56] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-147-154-67.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) joined ##slackware. [07:57] Roin, I have a question. GTK interface looks weird in KDE. how can I set a gtk theme in KDE? [07:57] crocket: gtk-chtheme [07:57] It is on slackbuilds.org [07:57] Roin : Is it documented somewhere else? [07:57] No need for a documentation it is so easy to use that you cant do anything wrong [07:58] both gnome are xfce is eating a lot of memory [07:58] Roin, Is the fact that we need gtk-chthme for consistent KDE-GTK look documented somewhere? [07:58] You just install it, launch it and you'll already see what to do, it offers you a list of available gtk themes and a preview of many Gtk objects/items like the menu etc.... [07:58] xfce is not at all lightweight... kde 3.5 was even more light [07:58] mrcarrot: not as much as KDE [07:58] KDE 4 [07:58] oxiredo_ro (~oxiredo@univ-gw.bh.edu.ro) left irc: Quit: Leaving [07:58] xfce4 is light enough for me [07:58] crocket: Uhm no, but if you use KDE I think KDE already provides a tool by itself to change the Gtk theme [07:58] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [07:59] Roin, KDE UI is so unintuitive that I didn't know I had one [07:59] crocket: basicly it sounds very logical to me that if you use a Qt based enviroment you'll need some extra tool to change a Gtk theme [07:59] with kde 3.5 i could have a total memory usage of 50-60 Mb [07:59] with xfce it went up to about 190 [07:59] mrcarrot: I already have such a memory usage when I dont start X at all... [07:59] Roin: then you have not been turning of unecessary services [08:00] No [08:00] xfce not lightweight? [08:00] Thats indeed true, but really I have 2GB of RAM so why should I worry about 200MB? o_O [08:00] no.. [08:00] you get more into cache [08:00] faster running [08:01] Roin, when you run a lot of programs, you'll crave additional 200MB. [08:01] Roin, you better have more than 6GB RAM. [08:01] I plan to put 8GB RAM in my new computer. [08:01] crocket: just launching Firefox brings RAM usage up to 300MB even though I use IceWM + ROX which is a very lightweight enviroment [08:01] I want to run virtual machines. [08:01] 640k should be enough [08:01] more files in file cache.... and less cache misses in the cpu [08:01] slackytude, hah [08:01] ^-^ [08:02] Windows 7 on linux. [08:02] firefox takes a lot of memory... but it is difficult to be without [08:02] ^^' [08:02] Action: mrcarrot like windowmaker [08:02] uhh I am so f**ed up could someone tell me what the kernel 2.6.33-4 was build with ? [08:02] crocket: even if I use 400MB of RAM I still have 1.6GB to use for virtual machines ._. [08:02] gcc [08:02] :) [08:03] yeah but wahat version ? [08:03] speaking 'bout KDE3.5,hopefully the Trinity Project will take off nicely [08:03] probably gcc version 4.4.4 [08:03] meh [08:03] as it is the standard in 13.1 [08:03] I dont care at all for 3.5 anymore [08:04] mrcarrot: "probably" makes a huge diffrence [08:04] but I can see that it would be nice to have a maintained version oif it [08:04] 3.5 had that lousy file manager called konqueror. [08:04] I never really cared for KDE but I have to admit compared with KDE 4.2 in 13.0 KDE 4.4 in 13.1 really changed my mind somehow... [08:04] I want to build 2.6.34 since my X1250 graphic card supports KMS only since 2.6.34. [08:05] crocket, http://blog.tpa.me.uk/slackware-kernel-compile-guide/ [08:05] kde 3.5 is having its place... i am installing it for people that needs a lightweight but userfriendly environment... many of those computers are having about 192 mb ram [08:05] there kde 3.5 is doing well [08:05] those are people coming from windblows [08:06] crocket: http://www.scribd.com/doc/23439283/Slackware-Kernel-Compile this might help you [08:06] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: For Sale: Parachute. Only used once, never opened, small stain. [08:07] Roin, that's a retarded guide, thanks. [08:07] slava_dp: what? [08:07] Unless you get any error messages you should be okay [08:07] lol [08:07] :) [08:08] slava_dp: no need to call it retarded though [08:08] read Zordrak's one, and you'll feel the difference. next, read alienBOB's one. [08:08] k [08:09] Nick change: xchg_chrr -> xchg [08:09] paul424, look at slackware13.1 gcc version - that's what the kernel for 13.1 was built with [08:09] ok thanks [08:11] goarilla (~u0057769@unaffiliated/goarilla) joined ##slackware. [08:11] is it me or does ldconfig create so name symlinks since slack 13 [08:13] gogie_ (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [08:13] hmm - snice ldconfig should only be building the bindings cache, I would be surprised if it created links - that's the job of the install script [08:13] and thus it's now impossible to create newly named symlinks to old libs eg libexample.so.2 to libexample.1.15.3 [08:14] depending on how the .so was named internally it might be possible to pull that kind of shenanigan, i'd say 9 out of 10 you can't [08:14] ldconfig will burp [08:14] slava_dp, deadbeef upgraded to 0.4.1 over the weekend [08:14] sirslacker (1000@B3207.karlshof.wh.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [08:14] MLanden, do you have it on your system? [08:14] it used to be possible [08:14] it works on slack 12 but not 13 [08:15] mancha, building it now [08:15] hmm [08:15] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: leaving [08:15] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [08:15] Nick change: gogie_ -> gogie [08:15] it is less to do with slack versions and more to do with internal .so naming structures [08:15] uhh how I can downgrade to kenrle 2.6.33-3 painlessly ? [08:15] MLanden: do you get high cpu usage with deadbeef too? [08:16] Why does once the packagwe is upgraded in current , the odler version is not avaliable ? [08:16] if the SONAME is embedded in a way that makes this a conflict then it'll barf. [08:16] sahko, with 0.4.0,no..which plugin? [08:16] it seems ldconfig now examines the soname field in the libs [08:16] in general, the new package replaces the files from the old package (like files get overwritten) [08:16] NeanT (~me@188.27.114.50) joined ##slackware. [08:17] paul424, which package are you referring to? [08:17] the kernel one ... [08:17] MLanden: with deadbeef. i dont know which plugin. a deadbeef process usually takes 25% of my cpu. can you look it up? [08:17] ldconfig from the 12.x series also did [08:17] ok - you can installpkg the old kernel - just keep in mind it may have been built with a different gcc version, but it's doable [08:18] it's kinda odd since i used to abuse that trick a lot [08:18] paul424: it's not hard to replace the kernel with an older one. compile it again [08:18] ok i tested it on 8 and 13 here [08:18] but think about it - "upgradepkg" typically means you don't want the old package [08:18] and since i have 12 at home i assumed that but ... i haven't done it in quite some time [08:18] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) joined ##slackware. [08:18] yes, it might have worked in very old glibc's. nothing recent though [08:19] mako-sama: uhh thats not the solution [08:19] Isn't there an archive of those packages in the net ? [08:19] paul424: there is are archives for older packages [08:20] mako-sama: like where ? [08:20] breakneck21_ulti (~vijay@122.161.26.108) joined ##slackware. [08:21] paul424, are you talking about older official slackware packages? like what came with an earlier version of slackware? [08:21] paul424: slackware.org use the package locator [08:21] pi31415 (rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [08:21] http://slackware.mirrors.tds.net/pub/slackware is another one [08:22] i bet you can patch that integrity stuff out of it if you're that interested...but that seems like a great attack vector [08:22] mako-sama, package browser is still borked atm [08:22] SunDragon (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [08:23] sahko, might be something with the audio buffer or the resampling settings [08:23] MLanden: does it happen to you too? [08:23] SOUL_OF_R00T (~leo@unaffiliated/soul-of-r00t/x-4421326) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:23] alisonken1home: I didn't know that.. the last time I used it was probably 2yrs ago [08:23] gabba (~gabba@pool-96-244-128-12.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [08:24] it never stops here. [08:24] MLanden, if you have an .aac audio file, can you verify if deadbeef plays it? [08:24] mako-sama, yeah - it's only in the last couple of months that happened. they're working on it - but part of the work is upgrading to a different package browsing setup [08:24] sahko, no...alsa or pulse audio? [08:24] alsa... [08:26] breakneck21_ulti (~vijay@122.161.26.108) left irc: Quit: Leaving [08:28] pulse is junk... it is only useful in ltsp environments [08:28] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [08:28] and slackware is not having ltsp [08:30] pupupupuuuuullllllls [08:30] SunDragon (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [08:31] mancha, alright...no...checking the source again [08:33] http://linorg.usp.br/slackware-current/slackware/a/ suppose I want to download with wget some version of packagews iwth 2.6.33-3 ,can I use the regex exp to do that [08:34] i've yet to understand a single one of paul424's questions :) [08:34] mancha: sorry for being chaotic. I mean if I can use regex expression when selecting files with wget > [08:35] man wget [08:35] yeah it doesn;'t seem to have that feature ... [08:35] mancha: any idea how I could do that ? [08:36] paul424: uhh another day lost for slackware [08:36] talking to yourself? [08:36] :) [08:36] it is not completely lost... you have still been learning something [08:38] slackware is not the ultimate good distro. it is also having it's problems. for me the problems has just been small enough that i could overcome them. with other distros i have been facing bigger problems [08:38] i think every slacker has been into this situation... they try other distros hoping to find something better [08:38] but still return times after times to slackware [08:39] with slackware i get everything to work... might be some extra work to get it up running when i can not make directly an "apt-get install" or "yum install" [08:39] but at least everything is clean and it is working [08:41] i tried slackware the first time during the 90's [08:41] more like the end of the 90's [08:41] helqg (~slack@188.128.27.54) joined ##slackware. [08:41] paul424, the closest you can get with wget is see if the site has a package list, save to a temporary file, then use regex to see if that package version is in there [08:42] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [08:42] mancha, which version ffmpeg do you have installed? [08:43] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [08:44] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) joined ##slackware. [08:46] mancha, building again...no,couldn't play aac [08:47] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) joined ##slackware. [08:48] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) joined ##slackware. [08:50] Action: mrcarrot is maybe uncessary talkative [08:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. 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[09:01] mrcarrot (1000@86-60-156-248-dyn-dsl.ssp.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:01] Desiderius, and what is that error? [09:03] I donno what could have broken maybe I got virus or trojan ... I didn;t do any upgrade and today I got cannot load the nvidia module [09:04] another possibility is that I have my file system screwed but that seems to be extremly unusual [09:04] wertik_rus (~wertik@212.33.3.98) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:04] did you do anything like change/rebuild kernel? [09:05] alisonken1home: no I didn't [09:05] nvidia driver is _very_ picky about the kernel - it will only work in the kernel it was compiled with [09:05] did you use the slackbuild for nvidia, or d/l the binary installer from nvidia? [09:06] the installer from nvidia [09:06] Desiderius: :P me also [09:06] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:07] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [09:08] Desiderius: hgmm just try to set initdefault:4 in /etc/inittab file [09:08] I userd the conf from version 13.0 which worked prefectly with the same Nvidia card [09:09] paul424 : I wanted to do that when sure X works correctly using startx ! [09:09] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) joined ##slackware. [09:09] ??? [09:10] Desiderius: also you can start the X session by telinit 4 as root ... which is more nice than startx ... [09:11] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-iwrdyxyiwreniaap) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:11] paul424, startx is for testing X before going gui bootup [09:11] that's what he was trying to do [09:12] alisonken1home: I played a little with the kde in that sense I could install and reinstall a few packages as well as their conf files... but nvidia should have been lost untouched ... [09:12] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [09:12] hi all, want to make sure i'm taking the right path here. [09:12] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tyzqftalwnheezfm) joined ##slackware. [09:12] i'm going to slackware-current all the way for the first and also want to start using multilib. [09:12] would it be best to go slackware-current first then multilib? [09:13] Desiderius (~chatzilla@ucopia-nat-invite.univ-evry.fr) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6/20100115144158] [09:13] but hey I had Nvidia driver working on this kernel, on that machine , and all of a sudden ... grr nvidia screwed ... [09:13] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [09:13] slackware64-current that is [09:13] jhw_ (~jhw@p4FC8D5DB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [09:13] gabba, why not just 13.1 right now? :) [09:13] 13.1 came out last week [09:14] and yes, install the latest first, then get the multilib for that version [09:14] mancha, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3009266&group_id=272657&atid=1159086 might be a similar issue [09:14] what is the difference between 13.1 and current right now? would current be more up to date? [09:14] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:15] no difference [09:15] at least for another week :) [09:16] well, i checked out the current repository already [09:16] thanks for the help :-) [09:17] tom___ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [09:17] uhh how do I do change resolution under X11 ? [09:17] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [09:17] I mean which command to urn without restearting the X server ... [09:18] system settings -> display -> size maybe? [09:18] uhh under telinit 3 [09:19] ok - telinit 3 is NOT under X11 :) [09:19] that would be framebuffer console [09:19] huh no ? I thought the terminal does use it anytywy. [09:19] no - terminal is framebuffer device, nothing to do with X [09:19] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [09:20] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:20] for console, you pass options to lilo for framebuffer video mode [09:21] everytime i log into my newly installed slackware box i get silly comments like [09:22] or rather, pass options to the kernel for framebuffer mode, or use vga=ask in lilo to select what resolution you want [09:22] 'Help stamp out and abolish redundancy!' [09:22] dustybin, that's part of the "fortune" program in bds-games [09:22] eeek [09:22] bsd-games rather [09:22] hahaha :P [09:22] i installed everything [09:22] tom___, check xrandr ( i.e xrandr -s 1280x1024 ) [09:22] its called fortunes [09:22] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-tyzqftalwnheezfm) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:22] great.. [09:22] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) joined ##slackware. [09:22] its old as UNIX :P [09:22] actually i like it :D [09:22] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-unjbwrarhwgnzwdx) joined ##slackware. [09:22] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-191.wlms-broadband.com) joined ##slackware. [09:23] Urgleflogue (~plamen@87-126-143-181.btc-net.bg) joined ##slackware. [09:23] you can find the dustybin if you want to not see fortunes when you open a terminal - edit /etc/profile.d scripts and comment out (don't remove) the bsd-games-login-fortune lines [09:23] dustybin, fortune -o limerick [09:24] aye ok thanks [09:26] ok still when I do try any of the NVIDIA drivers I get cannot state that the sources /usr/src/linux-version/ is the proper kernel sources version., although the sources and kernel installed does match . WHat might be wonr g / [09:26] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [09:26] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [09:27] tom___, try "uname -r" and see if the kernel you're running is the same version as what the nvidia installer script says it's trying to compile [09:27] also It says I can put hte kernel source path ... but /usr/src/linux-version/ does not work [09:27] yeas I checked dozens of times [09:27] ok - can you post "uname -r" and the nvidia fail line? [09:28] less than 3 lines, or use a pastebin [09:28] 3 lines or less rather [09:30] 2.6.33.4-smp [09:32] "unable to determine the version of the kernel soruces located in the /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/source." [09:32] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) got netsplit. [09:32] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) got netsplit. [09:34] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) returned to ##slackware. [09:34] fadein (fadein@212.117.163.191) returned to ##slackware. [09:35] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [09:35] the source is the link to the /usr/src/linux-2.6.33.4 [09:35] simplex (~simplex@twopenguins.it) joined ##slackware. [09:35] tom___, ok - try "ls -ld /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/source/" [09:35] hm mm should be that ... yeap [09:36] ok - "cd /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-smp/source" [09:36] ls [09:37] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [09:38] yeap somethings her [09:38] and what to do now ... but look it linx to th e linux-version not linux-version-smp [09:38] so maybe those are not smp sources somehow [09:39] when one compiles something how can one utilize all cores from a slackbuild [09:39] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [09:39] My life became a lot easier after installing sbopkg [09:39] alisonken1home ?? [09:40] Catoptromancy (~Cato@c-174-58-219-35.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [09:40] dustybin, MAKEFLAGS="-jN", where N is the number of cores or more. [09:40] tom___, the -smp source is based on the .config file found in the source tree [09:40] ace :D [09:40] dustybin, export this variable in /etc/profile or in /etc/sbopkg/sbopkg.conf if you use it. [09:41] nvidia is looking at the .config file to determine if the kernel you're compiling for is the same one that the sources were configured with [09:41] notKlaatu (~klaatu@unaffiliated/notklaatu) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:41] and yes - 'uname -r' returns what was put into the .config file for the kernel name [09:42] Putting sbopkg in slackware by default would be nice. [09:42] version part of the name rather [09:42] sadman_ (~sadman@en-pc243.htwg-konstanz.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:42] crocket, yes - but pat hasn't made an opinion of it yet [09:43] alisonken1home: Even after I install libsndfile, I can't play .wav files in audacious yet. [09:43] It's getting tricky [09:44] well, I was referring to sbopkg :) [09:44] however, is it all wav files, or just some wav files? [09:45] arghhhh [09:45] jhw_ (~jhw@p4FC8D5DB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:45] all wav files in general [09:45] libsndfile was supposed to fix it [09:45] shouldn't I remove the noveou driver first ? [09:45] jhw (~jhw@p4FC8D5DB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [09:45] What the? [09:45] slackware doesn't have fdisk? [09:45] Oh [09:45] It has [09:45] crocket, might see if libsndfile was put in the path that audacious is looking for [09:45] I can't get it working by typing "sudo fdisk" [09:45] fdisk, cfdisk, and a couple of others [09:46] of course not - sudo is not configured [09:46] by default [09:46] How can I make "sudo" adopt root's environment? [09:46] tom___: nouveau is blacklisted in Slackware 13.1 [09:46] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [09:46] and you mare that likely need the full path [09:46] it shouldnt bother you [09:46] don't know - don't use it [09:46] alisonken1home: you use su -? [09:46] yep [09:46] sahko : I was stupid enought to remove all blacklisted packages [09:47] alisonken1home: Isn't gnu-fdisk included in slackbuild? [09:47] AEnima1577g (~asdfjkl@cpe-066-026-084-152.nc.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [09:47] man fdisk and see [09:47] _RadioHead (~slack@82.114.94.253) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:47] sahko, which file format's were causing deadbeef to use excess CPU on your system? [09:47] hmm cause didn't know which are mine and which aren't mine entries [09:47] alisonken1home: It's plain fdisk. [09:47] MLanden: i only tried mp3 [09:47] alisonken1home: I want the newer gnu-fdisk [09:48] crocket, ok, either see if it's in slackbuilds.org or d/l, compile it [09:48] great, how do I remove the modules which use hte noveou ? lsmod shows used by : 1 but does not shows which moudle is using it . [09:48] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [09:48] crocket, try cfdisk [09:49] lsmod only shows what modules are loaded - but like with a lot of things, you have to remove the dependent modules before you can install the module [09:49] slava_dp: gnu-fdisk includes newer versions of cfdisk, fdisk. [09:49] lsmod | grep nouveau [09:49] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [09:49] tom___, slackpkg install xf86-video-nouveau-blacklist [09:49] tom___, ^^^ [09:49] and reboot [09:50] crocket, how are those new versions different? [09:50] alisonken1home you dontt listen to me .... how I do know which module is using it ? [09:50] lsmod shows nothing [09:50] slava_dp: they are separate programs. [09:50] sahko, odd [09:50] How can I know what packages include specific files? [09:50] slava_dp what's that commna supposed to do ? [09:50] I miss dpkg -S /path/to/file, which searches packages that contain the file. [09:51] tom___, "lsmod |grep veau" [09:51] tom___, get you the nouveau blacklist package, so that it no longer loads. [09:51] crocket, grep "file" /var/log/packages/* [09:51] if it doesn't show the other module that has hooked into the nouveau module, then you're gonna have to reboot anyway [09:51] crocket, file with the leading "/" removed [09:52] alisonken1home it doesn;t show , thats what I am trying to tell :( [09:52] util-linux-ng contains fdisk, and gnu-fdisk contains the new generation of fdisk. [09:52] slackpkg is a package manager not a kernel manager ... how it is supposed to stop kernel from loading noveaou ? [09:52] tom___, ok, try "grep nouveau /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.dep" [09:52] I inquire again, how is the new fdisk different from the old one? :) [09:53] ashe (~ashe@125.163.49.167) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:53] I like gnu-fdisk since it supports resizing of ext partitions. [09:53] tom___, it's installing the package that blacklists nouveau driver for you [09:53] tom___, because nouveau is a kernel module and module loading process is controlled from userspace, by using configuration files for modprobe, which sit in /etc/modprobe.d, and one of them is installed by the command I gave you! [09:54] crocket, get partitionmanager in extra/, or gparted from SBo. [09:54] slava_dp: ok [09:55] ok [09:55] It's really gentoo without dependency checks.!!! [09:55] !!!!111 [09:55] Hostname: server - OS: Linux 2.6.33.4/x86_64 - CPU: 4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 (2933.484 MHz) - Processes: 170 - Uptime: 42m - Load Average: 1.20 - Memory Usage: 143.73MB/3702.39MB (3.88%) - Disk Usage: 6.59GB/8.71GB (75.63%) [09:55] oneoneone [09:55] :D [09:55] slackerpete (~slackerpe@host86-147-154-67.range86-147.btcentralplus.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [09:56] dustybin: and..? [09:56] raela: nothing, i just feel excited :D [09:56] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) joined ##slackware. [09:57] slava_dp, lol....7 come 11...whoops,could be 7 is 111..:D [09:57] brb [09:57] tom___ (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: [BX] If idiots could fly, IRC would be an airport [09:58] Satisfying dependencies is not difficult with sbopkg. [09:58] By the way, does sbopkg have mirror sites? [09:58] not officially [09:58] It's slow. [09:58] MLanden, cultural stuff. had to google that :) [09:58] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Quit: leaving [09:59] well, new release of slackware and people upgrading can do that [09:59] or the route your link is taking is a little slow [09:59] gogie (~toytoy@unaffiliated/gogie) left irc: Quit: gogie [10:00] slava_dp, just know it from lyrics...see it has something to due with craps [10:00] crocket: what is slow about sbopkg exactly? [10:01] chess : downloading speed [10:01] meh [10:01] are you using sbopkg or web browser to connect to it [10:01] because slackbuilds.org normally does not have the sources [10:01] only the slackbuilds and maybe a couple of helper files [10:01] crocket: downloading the sbopkg package from sbopkg.org or doing the rsync with slackbuilds.org or downloading sources when building packages [10:03] chess : all [10:03] chess : It must be slow anyway [10:03] It is far from me. [10:03] I can't satisfy the dependencies. [10:04] There is no glib in sbopkg local repository. [10:04] I just downloaded it today [10:04] there is no sbopkg repository. there is slackbuilds.org that sbopkg builds from [10:04] chess : there is no glib-2.0 in slackbuilds repository [10:05] Should I build and submit glib-2.0 to slackbuilds.org? [10:06] its part of Slackware [10:06] glib2-2.22.5-x86_64-1 is included in slackware 13.1 [10:06] glibmm says there is no glib-2.0 [10:06] Building glibmm failed [10:07] Maybe i'm wrong? [10:07] I have glibmm installed, during the previous -current cycle. [10:07] 13.0? [10:07] crocket, slackbuilds.org only contains 3rd party stuff, nothing that's part of slackware official is inlucded in there [10:07] checking for GLIBMM... configure: error: Package requirements (sigc++-2.0 >= 2.0 glib-2.0 >= 2.21.1 gobject-2.0 >= 2.21.1 gmodule-2.0 >= 2.21.1) were not met: [10:08] This happened [10:08] cypherpunko (~root@142-217-88-107.telebecinternet.net) joined ##slackware. [10:08] sigc++-2.0 [10:08] libsigc++ and glibmm build just fine from sbo scripts on 13.1 [10:09] only sigc++ was missing!! [10:09] seems crocket forgot to look a the README [10:09] did you read the glibmm README on slackbuilds.org? [10:09] no [10:09] I didn't read it [10:09] I thought I didn't have to [10:09] READMEs arent supposed to be read [10:09] so read it :) [10:09] there you go [10:09] the dependencies are mentioned in them. [10:09] Bad habits from ubuntu. [10:09] it is amazing what documentation can do [10:10] Do I have to build and install each time I fail to satisfy dependency checks? [10:11] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [10:11] Oh, I can remove installed packages from queue. [10:11] It's easier than gentoo in a sense. [10:12] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) joined ##slackware. [10:12] usus12jari (~ashe@125.163.49.167) joined ##slackware. [10:13] at last, crocket has some grasp on the slackware philosophy ;-) [10:13] read through the documentation for each package to find the deps. then put them into a queue in the right order and you'll be fine. you need to put a bit of thought and effort when using slackware but you'll be rewarded in the end, IMHO [10:14] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:15] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: fui [10:15] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.37) joined ##slackware. [10:17] slava_dp (~slava@unaffiliated/slava-dp/x-9423217) left irc: Quit: See you later [10:17] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [10:17] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [10:18] ./configure tells dependencies. [10:18] hey finlally get the nvidia driver working [10:18] paissad (~paissad@fac34-3-89-87-195-22.dsl.club-internet.fr) joined ##slackware. [10:19] someone do something with that noveou driver ... I mean uhh normal user thinks that what the module will be used is decide in xorg.conf [10:19] crocket: not always.. sometimes it'll fail on make :P [10:20] huh you get it ... usually I haven't to play with the modprobe.d ... [10:21] isn't there just a simple solution to avoid messing with it when using diffrent kernel modules ... for example the X server could pick the modules whatever it wants , doesnot it ? [10:21] I think people in #slackware are kind. [10:21] crocket: because of me :P [10:21] crocket: the whole point of slackbuild scripts is that the script maintainer has figured all that out for you and noted it in the README. slackbuild scripts build a package for you that you can easily install/uninstall/backup/move [10:21] Last time I asked some stupid questions in #audacious irc.atheme.org, I was kicked from the server for a week. [10:21] I'm still on a kickban list. [10:21] so you don't need to do ./configure [10:22] chess : I referred to ./configure executed in slackbuild scripts. [10:23] I'm just surprised that people here don't seem to be bothered so far. [10:24] crocket, don't fall into false pretenses...easy 'nough to come 'cross one on IRC who may not be so kind [10:24] sorry to repeat, i lost my irssi session, in the slackbuild i need to locate 'make' and replace it with 'make -j2' this will make use of 2 cores? [10:25] pretences* [10:25] MLanden : I'm sorry? I don't get your sentence. [10:26] dustybin, you can pass "MAKEFLAGS='-j4' *.slackbuild" for that [10:26] could someone uhh say something about my opinons ? [10:26] at least I think it's MAKEFLAGS [10:27] I might run weechat or irssi in a screen on a server computer, and reattach the screen on a remote computer!!! [10:27] paul424, nvidia binary is not open source, so you have to work with what they have [10:27] I'm excited about this. [10:27] or what they give you rather [10:28] I don't have to worry about rebootings of client computers as far as IRC is concerned. [10:28] welcome to the '90's of the last century [10:28] ot: btw I have started a small package repo with packages built from SBo scripts: http://www.chessgriffin.com/pkgs/slackware/ enjoy [10:28] surrounder: me? [10:28] yes :) [10:28] paul424: The end-user always suffers in case of proprietary software. [10:28] or I could run quessel if I want GUI client. [10:28] quassel? [10:29] I can't access tty2-5, and I'm on a kdm session. [10:29] crocket, was just commenting on your statement of kindness...for the most part,a good number of us are...but IRC does have the other side as in life [10:29] alisonken1home: uhh but the noveou screwed my module.d settings ... I mean each of those packages mess with the module.d settings on their own [10:30] paul424, as noted, nvidia does things their own way - regardless of how we would like them to do it :) [10:30] MLanden : That's a disadvantage of audacious. People in #audacious in general aren't kind. [10:30] but the xorg.conf should tell X11 which module user wants to pick up ... like today .. I though that my nvidia module is broken, instead it wasn't just loaded .... [10:30] paul424, however, I seem to recall that the nvidia install script asks if you want to update modprobe.d or something, but it's been a while [10:30] I was told to stop saying random things in #audacious, and I didn't know what was random about it. [10:31] paul424, the nvidia xorg driver depends on the kernel nvidia module - dependency stuff they want [10:31] Somebody kickbanned me for saying random things while I didn't think I was random. [10:31] crocket: Were you speaking off-topic? [10:31] Several people pointed that out. [10:31] Mel-nix: I was helping somebody in that room [10:31] I had to mention several unrelated topic to solve the related problem. [10:32] Hmmm.... [10:32] so why the nvidia xorg driver does not pick the kernel nvidia module if its not present ? [10:32] have to talk to nvidia about that [10:32] crocket, fear of thinkin' outside the box?...weird [10:32] my guess is "proprietary" and "control" issues [10:34] hmm??? I can't find gparted in XFCE menu. [10:34] has anyone used svn on an ntfs drive before? It used to work fine for me, but now i'm getting permissions errors. I don't know if the ntfs-3g driver changed or what [10:34] I finally installed gparted, but it's not in menu. [10:34] Does it go to GNOME Menu? [10:34] sirslacker (1000@s0634.dyn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de) left irc: Quit: leaving [10:34] cause it's g(NOME)parted [10:34] Oh [10:34] It's there [10:34] crocket, the menu it goes to depends on whether or not it had a "*.desktop" file. [10:35] I can't execute it. [10:35] run it in a terminal and see if it says anything [10:35] Is there anything like gksu in XFCE? [10:36] No protocol specified [10:36] (gpartedbin:19017): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [10:36] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [10:36] crocket, open terminal. sudo gparted [10:37] I typed su -, and gparted. [10:37] crocket: kdesu gparted or gnomesu gparted - otherwise X display permissions detect you're running a program as different user and won't allow connections [10:37] It led to the above result [10:37] there you go [10:37] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) joined ##slackware. [10:38] although i don't have kdesu or gnomesu [10:38] sudo gparted works for me, btw [10:38] It's weird [10:38] what de are you using? [10:39] I have a WiMax Internet connection. So what packages/drivers do I need for proper functioning? [10:39] crocket, try "su -c gparted" [10:39] sudo gparted doesn't work since sudo doesn't have root environment. su -c gparted doesn't work, either. kdesu gparted works. [10:39] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [10:39] I think su -c gparted only tried to open a window in root X window. [10:40] su -c gparted also works for me [10:40] no idea [10:40] su -c gparted leads to No protocol specified [10:41] (gpartedbin:19355): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 [10:41] Mel-nix, see that there a project underway http://www.linuxwimax.org/ [10:41] powtrix (~powtrix@189-69-17-236.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [10:41] I couldn't have run it without alisonken1home's advice. [10:42] under normal circumstances, X programs will try to open the display that is being controled by $user - since su chanes $user from to , then $user has changed and it's trying to open a controlling X session that is not active [10:42] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.191.224.178) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [10:42] It didn't happen in ubuntu. [10:43] didier (~dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [10:43] well this isn't ubuntu.. [10:43] Maybe because you used sudo in Ubuntu? [10:43] Is it slackware's idiosyncrasy? [10:43] Mel-nix, what's the wimax device? [10:43] ubuntu has changed the way unix works - no comparison since they try to dumb down administrator tasks to more like MS functionality rather than *nix functionality [10:43] MLanden: CPE. [10:43] crocket, no - standard *nix X-Windows - not distro specific [10:44] crocket, that is because you're using su -c, not sudo [10:44] Try using su -c on Ubuntu and you'll encounter the same issue [10:44] Vanger : really? [10:44] and default slackware doesn't have sudo setup [10:44] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:44] alisonken1home: how does slackware expect me to run root tasks? [10:44] Or edit your /etc/sudoers.conf and allow your user to run everything via sudo [10:45] I don't recommend that [10:45] Slackware expects you to su to root and do your tasks [10:45] Vanger : I already added theuser = (ALL)ALL ALL [10:45] Vanger : doing that doesn't allow gparted to be executed in normal user's X session. [10:45] like everything else - configure your system (as Vanger noted, you can configure sudoers.conf), or learn how administration of a reasonably secure multiuser environment is like rather than the stupidized version of some other distro's [10:45] crocket, have you allowed root to use your user's X? [10:46] crocket, MAJOR security issue there [10:46] To allow everybody to use it, run xhost + [10:46] Vanger : I haven't. [10:46] Do it, then [10:46] Vanger, that's an even bigger security issue [10:46] Vanger : Is there any permanent change possible? [10:46] Add it to your ~/.bashrc [10:46] alisonken1home: root should be able to access other user's X sessions. [10:46] alisonken1home, he clearly does not care [10:46] crocket, no, he shouldn't [10:47] crocket, think again - as far as X is concerned root is just another user [10:47] Also, read man xhost to allow only root from the same machine to access your X [10:47] Vanger : Is it about restricting root? [10:47] alisonken1home: ok... [10:47] Well, without advanced control systems you can't restrict root [10:47] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [10:47] Does it mean root has accesses to other users' X sessions in ubuntu by default? [10:48] Seemingly, root does [10:48] Can't use Ubuntu, myself [10:48] Too smart [10:48] crocket, remember, Linux is not MS, and not all distros follow good security practices [10:48] ok [10:48] alisonken1home: Is kdesu the only way? [10:48] Bah.... why doesn't some one just come out and say it? [10:48] Afterall, if you have passwordless sudo and whole load of possible vulnerabilities from user apps... [10:48] alisonken1home: I was thinking about removing kde. [10:48] Alan_Hicks, because some of us are nicer? :) [10:49] Alan_Hicks, because every distro sucks in its unique way? [10:49] crocket, again, that's not a KDE issue, that's an X issue. and no, kdesu is not the only way, but it's the easiest way [10:49] Ubuntu BLOWS! It sucks and blows at the same time! It doesn't things bass-ackwards, destroys POSIX, attempts to re-invent the wheel, and you end up with some vague trapezoid. [10:49] MLanden: I connect through the CPE, via the ethernet port. [10:49] Alan_Hicks: true.dat [10:49] Alan_Hicks: but it's so eeeeeeeeeeeeasy [10:49] Alan_Hicks, let all flower blossom [10:50] Mel-nix, what's the make of the device? [10:50] raela: That's what they told me about CentOS too. Ever tried editing one of their source rpms? [10:50] Alan_Hicks, I gave up on RH before centos and fedora broke out [10:50] Alan_Hicks: I lasted all of 2 weeks on centos before saying fuck it and installing slack :) [10:51] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) joined ##slackware. [10:51] MLanden: I don't know what's inside, but the brand is SOMA. [10:51] Unfortunately, I'm stuck with CentOS for now. [10:51] it was on the lab workstation.. so I can do what I want with it, pretty much. several people had recommended centos.. but damn [10:51] clavius (James@108.sub-75-254-229.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [10:51] Soma? Man this is a brave new world we live in. [10:52] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [10:52] Action: Alan_Hicks wonders if anyone else will get that. [10:52] sorry, Alan_Hicks.. I'm not cool enough to ;/ [10:53] No, noone will get your vague reference to an outdated dystopia [10:53] :^) [10:53] didier (~dc@pth77-1-88-171-241-225.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.5/20091102141836] [10:53] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [10:54] I remember, but I forgot the specifics :) [10:54] although there's a movie (and a remake) that I remember with that name/theme [10:54] What's another way to execute root-previleged X programs in normal users' X sessions? [10:55] sudo [10:55] ok [10:55] SunDragon (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [10:55] another? [10:55] Don't use another. Use sudo. [10:55] I can't make sudo accept root's environment. [10:55] alisonken1home, you know, breeding different flavours of humans, from alpha to epsilon, everybody is drug-happ, but, of course, there is a rebel without a cause that is not [10:55] Action: Alan_Hicks is getting downright crotchety in his old age. [10:55] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: :wq! [10:56] stay off my lawn! [10:56] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [10:56] bah, so many geezers here! :P [10:56] crocket: Well then explain the problem. What about sudo doesn't work? [10:56] crocket, have you ran xhost + as your user? [10:56] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [10:57] Vanger: Don't tell him to do such a stupid and dangerous thing again. [10:57] Why not? [10:57] Vanger : not yet [10:57] Vanger: Would you do it on your box? [10:57] crocket: Don't do it at all. [10:57] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:57] No, I won't [10:57] Vanger : alisonken1home worned me against it. [10:57] crocket - of course, sudo just gets you root permissions - you have to do some other work to get root environment [10:57] warned [10:57] Alan_Hicks: why do you consider it dangerous? [10:57] Alan_Hicks, lol...been quite a while since I've read Huxley see that archive.org has several versions here's one by Huxley himself http://www.archive.org/details/CbsTheaterOfTheMindWithAldousHuxley [10:57] Vanger: Then don't tell others to do it. [10:57] But, hey, if crocket wanna make an Ubuntu from his Slack (with much poorer dependency andling) - who am I to forbid him? [10:58] I am aware that slack is not ubuntu. [10:58] I won't do a blowjob to anyone, but I can tell others to do it [10:58] Vanger: well, he switched from ubuntu for a reason.. maybe to learn [10:58] peyo (~peyo@aut75-2-82-66-93-86.fbx.proxad.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [10:58] SunDragon: JFGI. :-) The long and the short is that anyone can connect to your X port on the box and read your screen or run X apps. [10:59] Alan_Hicks: Isn't X configured by default without a TCP listener these days? [10:59] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) joined ##slackware. [10:59] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [10:59] Let's install compiz [10:59] Vanger: You can do whatever the hell you want to do elsewhere, but not in this channel. [10:59] SunDragon, it's in the X config file, but you have to verify how it's delivered for your system [10:59] I chose slackware to learn to control my own system. [11:00] SunDragon: It is, however any local user can do the same. [11:00] Genk1 (~Am1ne@wana-15-237-12-196.wanamaroc.com) left irc: Read error: No route to host [11:00] bitlord (~bitlord@unaffiliated/bitlord) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:00] No compiz in slackbuilds [11:00] hum, X is listening on TCP by default on my slackware box [11:00] Oh it's installed by default [11:00] crocket: Good. [11:00] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Quit: For a holy stint, a moth of the cloth gave up his woolens for lint. [11:01] Alan_Hicks: I only have 1 local user, me [11:01] Alan_Hicks, you can do it your own way, if it's done just how I say, right [11:02] ccsm [11:02] SunDragon, but you have to tell X who and what machines are allowed to connect [11:02] Vanger: We do not condone users telling others to do things that are potentially harmful to their machines. You have knowingly done this several times already. [11:03] ubuntu clearly has too many of its own patches [11:03] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [11:03] Catoptromancy (~Cato@c-174-58-219-35.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:04] alisonken1home: it seems that it would be a more sane default for X not to listen on TCP unless the user configures it to [11:04] debian and *buntu crowd are known for local "fixes" :) [11:04] SunDragon, except X actually uses network connections via localhost for local opterations [11:04] I just don't get it. Editing sudoers.conf is potentially harmful. Running xchat is potentially harmful, too. Running non-hardened Slack without any means to restrict the root is potentially harmful, too. I just don't get where the line is [11:04] alisonken1home: so are redhat.. some of the redhat Perl patches seem completely pointless to me [11:05] alisonken1home: X can't use a unix socket any more? [11:05] Vanger: Here's a hint. You told the newbie to do something that you wouldn't do yourself. [11:05] Next time I want some easy linux, I would choose arch [11:05] Vanger, root is the administrator - slackware assumes that _you_, as the administrator, know what you want to do - even if it's screwing something up [11:05] I did it many times [11:05] crocket: poor thing [11:05] crocket: updating everything everyday? :P [11:05] SunDragon, probably, but since it's designed as a network graphics setup, tcp has been used by too many apps to make it easy to change [11:06] I propose xhost +root@localhost (syntax is different, though) [11:06] alisonken1home: I don't believe it [11:06] surrounder: update what? [11:06] Vanger: That is much much better. [11:06] SunDragon, look at how apps for X are written [11:06] crocket: everything, I just said that [11:06] crocket: it's far too bleeding edge, stuff breaks all the time [11:07] Alan_Hicks, I proposed it from the very beginning [11:07] since they are, by design, written to allow remote display of output, it's easier to use the existing framework (when proper security checks are in place) [11:07] All I ever saw you say was "xhost +" with no qualifier. [11:07] clavius2 (James@144.sub-75-235-111.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:07] otherwise every app would have to have extra bloat to do other checks [11:08] Just to finish this " Also, read man xhost to allow only root from the same machine to access your X" [11:08] you think most will do that? no, run command first [11:08] xauth is more secure iirc [11:08] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:09] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:09] They are, presumably, mature people, roots on their boxes, responsible for their actions [11:09] surrounder : arch is too bleeding edge? [11:09] Mel-nix, which kernel do you have installed? [11:09] slackin (~slackin@179.10.103.97.cfl.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:10] MLanden: 2.6.33.4-smp-generic. [11:10] SunDragon (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [11:11] clavius (James@108.sub-75-254-229.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:11] Mel-nix, look in /lib/modules/2.6.33.4-<"How ever it's labeled>'/kernel/net is there a wimax folder? [11:11] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) joined ##slackware. [11:12] Should I put libsndfile.so in /usr/lib64/audacious/Input to make audacious play .wav files? [11:12] cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/* [11:12] akhe (~akhe@0x573fa156.ronqu2.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:12] SunDragon (~rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:12] :) that too [11:12] alisonken1home, I just restarted X with the "-nolisten tcp" parameter and it is working without TCP [11:13] ? [11:13] clavius (James@231.sub-75-254-129.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:13] MLanden: Yes, there is. [11:13] crocket, did you check audacious config files for location of libs searched [11:14] SunDragon, that's for non-localhost connections [11:14] alisonken1home: I do now [11:14] SunDragon, localhost is treated special by X [11:14] what's wrong with /usr/lib or /usr/lib64 [11:14] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [11:14] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:14] then running ldconfig [11:14] jkwood_ (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [11:14] alisonken1home: All of the decoder libs are in /usr/lib64/audacious/Input [11:14] alisonken1home: do some applications hard coded to use non-localhost connections? [11:14] crocket - as goarilla noted, did you run ldconfig after installing the libs [11:14] s/do/are/ [11:15] alisonken1home: no [11:15] libsndfile is used by a lot more programs than just audacious [11:15] SunDragon, don't know - have to check how the app is written :) [11:15] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [11:15] it's not a specfic plugin [11:15] crocket, then audacious wont find the new lib [11:15] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [11:15] alisonken1home: I thought you said every X app was written in such a way that it depended on TCP [11:15] goarilla, apparently, he didn't have libsndfile or the correct one installed [11:15] juan--d-_-b (~Juan@unaffiliated/juan--d--b/x-561435) joined ##slackware. [11:15] alisonken1home: Is ldconfig documented in slackbook? [11:15] SunDragon, yes - but as noted, X treats localhost specially [11:16] crocket, don't know - I've used slack long before the slackbook was written [11:16] Or isn't ldconfig called in postinstallation script of libsndfile? [11:16] crocket, should be, but run it as root and try again [11:16] it's run after every installpkg [11:16] clavius2 (James@144.sub-75-235-111.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [11:17] alisonken1home: I ran it, but audacious doens't find it automatically. [11:17] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [11:17] Mel-nix, http://www.linuxwimax.org/WiMAX-Network-Service-1.3.3-mainline-README.txt hopefully,following this as an example..you have access to the firmware of that device [11:17] alisonken1home: I think I should put libsndfile.so in /usr/lib64/audacious/Input manually. [11:17] making a symbolic link [11:18] crocket, hmm - that's one way of doing it. I would grep var/log/packages/libsndfile* and see where the lib got installed first [11:18] alisonken1home: I saw it [11:18] alisonken1home: Is there an automated way to do it? [11:18] then see about rerunning audacious conifg file [11:18] audacious config rather [11:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:20] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:20] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [11:20] alisonken1home: audacious doesn't recognize libsndfile.so in /usr/lib64/audacious/Input. [11:21] don't run "xhost +" as a user, but do run an unnecessary network service by default and run *.SlackBuild scripts as root. [11:21] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [11:21] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [11:21] Mel-nix, another issue might also be the MAC address of the device..good luck [11:21] crocket, did you read this: http://audacious-media-player.org/faq#id12 [11:22] however, since audacious should be part of slack, I don't think that's the issue [11:22] oh no [11:23] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [11:23] jeev (~email@174.139.9.42) left irc: Changing host [11:23] jeev (~email@unaffiliated/jeev) joined ##slackware. [11:24] Shoudl I install libmad-dev? [11:25] libmad is a mp3 codec no ? [11:25] libmad and libmad-dev are two different things [11:25] crocket, libsndfile.so being a system lib, is probably why it's not working when you link it into audacious/Input [11:25] libmad-dev isn't in slackware DVD or slackbuilds [11:26] crocket, do you have a link to an mp3 that won't play for you I can check out? [11:26] alisonken1home: I can't play .wav files but can play mp3 files. [11:26] whats the difference [11:26] sorry - wav [11:26] ok [11:26] rab13s (micemicer@core.routed.com) left ##slackware. [11:26] how can I send you/ [11:26] libmad-dev is problaby where someone decided to slpit out the headers. Which is something SLackware doesn't do. [11:26] nixness (~dsc@78.101.91.248) joined ##slackware. [11:26] libmad already includes the header, shared lib and static lib [11:26] yeah idd [11:27] it's how they hyperbole their package numbers [11:27] alisonken1home: how can I send you .wav files? [11:27] crocket, http://filebin.ca/ [11:27] ok [11:27] SigmaVirus24 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:27] hey all, I've used the tutorial on alien.slackbook.org to configure my network but I keep getting "SET failed on device XXXX operation not supported", any ideas where that might be from? [11:28] can anyone try checking out a googlecode project? I can't tell if there is an issue of if my connection is borked. `svn checkout http://traduisons.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ traduisons-read-only` [11:28] alisonken1home: http://filebin.ca/gcvksv/pop.wav [11:28] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:28] nixness, not every card supports every option. my card has a SET error also, doesn't affect functionality here. [11:28] crocket: how do you figure libmmad and this libmad-dev are different and please don't tell me "the name is different" [11:28] that wav files plays fine. [11:29] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=501007 says libsndfile isn't used since 2006 in audacious. [11:29] hiptobecubic, was able to access it [11:29] Is it 64bit slackware probleM? [11:29] MLanden, well what the hell [11:29] clavius2 (James@172.sub-75-254-219.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [11:29] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.73.37) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:30] hiptobecubic: except this is not actually letting my wifi work [11:30] any ways of debugging this? [11:30] nixness, not sure. can't say i'm a wifi expert [11:30] MLanden, it checked out fine for you? I can check out any project but that one it seems. [11:31] oh nevermind, it just worked after sittin still for five minutes [11:31] so anyone here know anything about debugging wifi connectivity issues? [11:31] (the wifi used to work with other distos, just something in my config in slackware I think) [11:31] nixness: a little [11:31] Dominian (dominian@unaffiliated/dominian) left irc: Changing host [11:31] Dominian (dominian@about/linux/staff/dominian) joined ##slackware. [11:31] nixness: what chipset? [11:32] nixness: it helps to drop to the most basic configuration and work up from there [11:32] hiptobecubic, it is a shaky connection...can you check the link http://traduisons.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/ with firefox(or browser of choice) ? [11:32] works for me [11:32] it just started working, it hasn't for the last hour. hopefully it stays up. thanks guys [11:33] nixness: for example, verify that it works as an open network first. then try WEP. then try WPA* [11:33] okay, SunDragon, so lemme lspci [11:33] clavius (James@231.sub-75-254-129.myvzw.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [11:33] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.19) joined ##slackware. [11:34] I have seen some hardware that works fine in WEP, but performs slowly or poorly with WPA* [11:34] hay alienBOB I hate aliens. [11:34] goarilla (~u0057769@unaffiliated/goarilla) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:34] I thought Thor was cool in Stargate SG-1 [11:36] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c0/Thor_asgard.jpg [11:36] SunDragon: so how sould I get the info? :) [11:36] chasmo77 (~chas@69.4.142.4) left irc: Quit: this is not a .sig [11:36] lspci ain't cutting it for that card [11:36] what info? [11:36] the wireless chipset [11:36] is it a PCI card? [11:36] no, it's builtin [11:36] lsusb prolly? [11:37] Nick change: clavius2 -> clavius [11:37] clavius (James@172.sub-75-254-219.myvzw.com) left irc: Changing host [11:37] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) joined ##slackware. [11:37] i was trying to install slack13.1 x64 on my comp, booting from an USB stick.. it loaded the kernel & initrd but then it's rebooting imediately.. tested it on another x64 machine i have and it works ok.. should I send some "magical" parameters to the kernel before booting? [11:37] what make and model of computer? [11:37] crocket, might need a longer sound file to check [11:37] it's an acer something heh can't quite find out what it is [11:38] is there a way to give the name of the card "ath0 wlan0 etc." and get the chipset? [11:38] because I've a wlan0 that keeps failing me that's all [11:38] nixness, interface names are what the driver assigns normally [11:38] alisonken1home: ok [11:38] it would help to know the computer model [11:38] okay it's index 4 [11:39] lemme get the name for you [11:40] interesting. I have a wav file that I know plays in other players, but audacious doesn't want to play it either [11:40] Action: MLanden sends Selma and Patty to kidnap Jack O'Neill [11:40] which file has the dreaded array? [11:41] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Quit: Leaving [11:42] but clearly in my /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1.conf I'm using device number "4" [11:42] what device that may be is unknown.. [11:42] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [11:43] nixness, that's just an index for configuration to use - if you check, there's also a variable that gets set with the device name [11:43] tank-man (1000@S010600121729c6a1.vc.shawcable.net) joined ##slackware. [11:43] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [11:43] johndee (~id@95-29-181-73.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [11:44] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:44] slisir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [11:44] yeah, so to which configuration does that number correspond to? (I'm sure it's kinda like VARIABLE [deviceIndex] = soemthing) [11:44] and deviceIndex must be corresponding to a record or some entry in some file that has all the possible network devices [11:44] (at least that's what my intuition says) [11:44] no - look at it again [11:45] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [11:45] ohhh [11:45] if you look, index 4 (as noted in the notes) is typically the first index for a wireless device, and the first variable that gets set in the interface name [11:45] gotcha [11:46] slysir (~mike@cpe-76-180-26-186.buffalo.res.rr.com) left irc: Client Quit [11:46] Action: Ps3-Jack if I got a alien brain like alienBOB I'm a expert today. :( [11:46] remember, this file is nothing more than a bash sccript [11:46] Nick change: simplex -> annapopputa [11:46] the only difference is it's being used to store bash shell variables [11:46] too much alien influence to the linux kernel. [11:46] Ps3-Jack: Linux kernel? [11:47] alisonken1home: I'm enlightened :) [11:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Excess Flood [11:48] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.94.162) joined ##slackware. [11:48] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [11:49] :) [11:50] I'll add a print in the rc.inet1 script, and let you know the name [11:50] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [11:51] actually, you need to find what the device name assigned by the driver is, then edit rc.inet1.conf and set IFNAME='' [11:51] also, remember to uncomment the lines that matter for your wireless connection [11:52] there's also "man rc.inet1.conf" to help understand it a little better [11:54] Nick change: annapopputa -> simplex [11:54] but how do other distros figure out the name automatically though [11:54] crocket (~orangetar@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: leaving [11:54] nixness, I use wicd from the extra/ directory [11:54] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) joined ##slackware. [11:54] or if you use slackpkg "slackpkg install wicd" [11:55] add yourself to the netdev group, logout/login and have fn [11:55] fun [11:58] alisonken1home: so I'm trying to use the dvd and it's not even mounted haha [11:58] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [11:58] heh [11:58] been there :) [11:58] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [11:59] I ended up making a /home2/slackware directory on my second drive to keep slackware disk sets [11:59] however, if you setup slackpkg, setup /etc/slackpkg/mirrors with a reasonable mirror, you don't need the dvd [11:59] and you have a decent network connection [12:00] well my friend, when I get interwebz on that machine, that will be the first thing I do [12:00] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) joined ##slackware. [12:00] it's not mounted still... [12:00] is a wired connection available for it? [12:00] get this error when i try to start thunderbird by ssh (x11 enabled) Error: cannot open display: localhost:11.0 [12:00] no alisonken1home [12:00] I'm using my trusty laptop [12:00] slackytude|foo (~slacky@f051169220.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [12:01] Azeotrope, "ssh -y" and make sure your local machine is setup to accept remote connections from that host/user [12:01] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.94.35) joined ##slackware. [12:01] sorry - "ssh -Y" [12:01] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) joined ##slackware. [12:01] gnubien (~e@unaffiliated/gnubien) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:01] Azeotrope, also, /etc/ssh/sshd_conf [12:02] Strykar (~wakka@122.169.94.162) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [12:02] sshd_config on the local machine [12:02] (local to where you want it to display) [12:04] so any way of letting it mount the DVD by itself? [12:04] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) joined ##slackware. [12:04] I've never inserted a CD and had to do any commands to access it.. [12:05] depends on your setup [12:05] non-gui setups require some tweaking. also being part of proper groups [12:06] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [12:07] I'm back with weechat. [12:07] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Client Quit [12:07] I'm in the cdroom group [12:07] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [12:07] I'm back [12:08] Alt+1 doesn't work in weechat or irssi on slackware [12:08] Why not? [12:08] oh wait I'm not, it works now [12:08] crocket, what is alt-1 supposed to do? [12:09] alisonken1home: It transfers weechat or irssi to buffer 1. [12:09] buffer 1 is server buffer, 2 is #slackware, so on. [12:09] I can press Alt+2, Alt+3, and so on. [12:09] Maybe my keyboard layout is a problem. [12:09] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.228) joined ##slackware. [12:10] My current keyboard fits kr104 layout. [12:10] is this in a terminal in a gui, or at runlevel 3 console? [12:10] But the current keyboard layout on linux is set to us [12:10] runlevel 4 [12:10] ha [12:10] ok - and the window has focus? [12:10] yes [12:10] (I use focus follows mouse myself) [12:10] Alt+2 works, but Alt+1 doesn't. [12:11] might want to see what alt-1 is mapped to [12:11] I am not capable [12:11] alisonken1home: still won't work [12:11] i guess is a set DISPLAY thing? [12:12] So who is paying alisonken1home for all his/her help? [12:12] slackytude (~mounty@p4FD88CC9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Disconnected by services [12:12] Nick change: slackytude|foo -> slackytude [12:15] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-118-69.ip102.fastwebnet.it) joined ##slackware. [12:15] ok [12:16] alisonken1home: how can I see what it's mapped to? [12:16] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) joined ##slackware. [12:16] Azeotrope: are you trying from a screen session? [12:16] I'm now beeped when highlights occur. [12:16] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [12:17] Azeotrope, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config on your local host (where you want the display to show), for extra points, add a "Match User xxx" section with "X11Forwarding yes", "AllowTcpForwarding yes", and "X11DisplayOffset 10" [12:17] then logout/login [12:17] then "ssh -y ; " [12:18] sorry - "ssh -Y ..." case is sensitive on that one :) [12:18] crocket, that would be in the app settings [12:18] also, in your wm keybindings [12:18] alisonken1home: ok [12:19] alisonken1home: xfce4-terminal preempted alt+1, alt+2, and so on, and only alt+1 was affected. [12:19] Ah [12:19] raela: yes. how do you know? [12:19] Alt+1 meant switch to tab 1 in xfce terminal, and I had only one tab. [12:19] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) joined ##slackware. [12:19] That was it [12:19] alisonken1home: thank you! [12:19] Azeotrope: try outside of screen [12:19] Azeotrope, np [12:19] alisonken1home: I thank you in addition to Azeotrope [12:20] np [12:20] lyminsk (~lyminsk@unaffiliated/lyminsk) joined ##slackware. [12:20] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Quit: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug. This time I'm the bug. [12:22] raela: i can't? but how did you saw that? [12:22] Azeotrope: um I mean don't try to start thunderbird from screen, if you were doing that [12:23] oh, no, I have a sepparate ssh session for that [12:24] I had just found out yesterday that you get errors if you do it from screen myself ;/ [12:25] perl net-daemon is not in slackbuilds, does it mean I have to compile it? [12:26] It's not in slackware main repository, either. [12:26] perl net-daemon is a perl script - look at cpan for that [12:27] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [12:28] it's a CPAN module? [12:28] cpan is the perl version of slackbuilds.org [12:29] sorry [12:29] CPAN is a kind of perl [12:29] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) joined ##slackware. [12:29] no - cpan is the perl online central repository for perl scripts [12:30] so it's not a "kind of perl" [12:30] it's a repository of perl scripts/modules to extend perl functionality [12:31] alisonken1home: Can I make Net-Daemon into a package? [12:31] a slackware package [12:31] I can "make" [12:31] mrcarrot (~lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) joined ##slackware. [12:31] and make install [12:31] It's not good [12:31] I want to make it a package. [12:31] i wish checkinstall would still exist.... [12:31] that would have been solving that [12:31] zaltekk (~zaltekk@kennethbrown.me) joined ##slackware. [12:31] possibly, but it would require knowing how perl does it's stuff - like adding python modules [12:32] there are some alternatives in extra to checkinstall... but not the same good [12:32] ok [12:32] slacktrack should be in extra [12:33] mrcarrot: src2pkg [12:33] i have been trying src2pkg... it is not the same good [12:34] not everything becomes a pkg... [12:34] anyway... it is not preventing me from using slackware [12:35] I've got a 5y/o laptop - one with 512M ram and another with 1G ram, so wicd works for me [12:35] alisonken1home: netbooks? [12:35] my laptops are having 256 and 512... [12:36] no - HP laptops [12:36] both with floppy stations [12:36] old stuff [12:36] got them for free [12:36] the older one (512M) was new when I bought it, the 1G one was a hand-me-down when someone got an apple notebook [12:36] mrcarrot: check the guts of src2pkg, it provides a working checkinstall [12:37] also for python apps etc? [12:37] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [12:37] it is some times since i used src2pkg [12:37] i just remeber that it could not install everything checkinstall could [12:37] jkwood (~jkwood@lazy.slaxer.com) joined ##slackware. [12:38] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [12:38] could I know is there any human kernel developers here? [12:38] not normally [12:38] aliens wote the entire kernel. got a hard time in reading and digging into it.I mean DRI and DRM [12:39] CaptObviousman (~The_Capta@unaffiliated/captobviousman) joined ##slackware. [12:39] BadAtom (~epigramma@supporter/active/BadAtom) joined ##slackware. [12:39] nvision (~nvision@2001:638:807:20a:221:5dff:fe60:2a88) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [12:39] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [12:39] I'm interested at developing DRM componment in the kernel. [12:39] Does slackware have compiz config utility in any repositories? [12:40] It's not even easy to find the source codes for ccsm [12:40] I think compiz was dropped in kde, so probably not [12:40] but I don't know everything [12:41] alisonken1home: i did the per user settings in sshd_config, restarted, but same thing [12:42] and 'ssh -Y" (uppercase Y) - and you're not behind firewalls, masqed network, etc? [12:42] I'm from putty, and not behind any firewall/nat [12:42] hmm - putty is a windows program isn't it? [12:42] kozandr (~kozandr@forum.zelcom.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [12:43] alisonken1home: yes. [12:43] Azeotrope, do you have X11 installed on your windows machine? [12:43] also, may have to move the "X11Forwarding" and "X11DisplayOffset" to the global section [12:44] fuckme sideways, i forgot about that [12:44] ... [12:44] no X11 agent installed [12:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [12:45] man, you'll get noobfarmed again [12:45] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [12:45] noobubuntard [12:46] PaddyMac (~patrick@node219.226.100.208.1dial.com) joined ##slackware. [12:53] Elektro (~elektr0@34.85-84-204.dynamic.clientes.euskaltel.es) left irc: Quit: Elektro [12:53] Azeotrope (~JBauer@unaffiliated/jbauer) left irc: Quit: leaving [12:54] david_4d (~david_4d@host43-5-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) joined ##slackware. [12:56] tooly (~horst@e178163006.adsl.alicedsl.de) joined ##slackware. [13:01] I want to build compiz-bcop, libcompizconfig, and so on and submit it to slackbuilds.org. Is that fine? [13:01] crocket, yes [13:01] Slackware has to include the complete compiz set [13:01] crocket, #slackbuilds [13:01] crocket, compiz used to be in sbo [13:01] Why are they excluded again? [13:02] they arent, they had no maintainer, afaik [13:02] It's not very difficult [13:03] being difficult or not has little to do with it. [13:04] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-190-149.psoas.suomi.net) joined ##slackware. [13:04] david_4d (~david_4d@host43-5-static.12-87-b.business.telecomitalia.it) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:05] it's a matter of a maintainer actually maintaining the slackbuilds [13:06] whoda thunk that [13:06] ElectRo`: you'd be suprised. [13:06] ElectRo`, there's been a lot of people who think that just submitting the slackbuild is enough [13:09] then expect the sbo admins to maintain it [13:10] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [13:13] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:13] hi [13:13] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) joined ##slackware. [13:13] I was wondering if Slackware had some kind of utility that automatically downloads slackbuilds and compiles software for you or if you always have to manually download Slackbuilds. [13:13] sbopkg [13:13] .org [13:14] sbopkg http://www.sbopkg.org/ [13:14] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [13:14] the opensc-pkcs11.so plugin (opensc-dnie pkg via sbopkg) isn't loaded by the Konqueror web browser [13:14] revel0 (~revel0@h15a2.n2.ips.mtn.co.ug) left irc: Quit: ~ Trillian Astra - www.trillian.im ~ [13:14] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD6AC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:14] Oh, I'll take a look at that. [13:15] ncurses interface to slackbuilds.org [13:15] just like using pkgtool only for slackbuilds.org [13:15] I tried Slackware in the past and liked it, but doing everything manually was a little tiresome at times. I currently run Funtoo and wondred if anything similar to Portage was available. [13:16] funtoo? [13:16] Funtoo is a spinoff of Gentoo. [13:16] well, not as extensive as portage, and still no dependency checking (view the README with the package), but it's still nice [13:16] libpng12-dev is not available in slackware repositories, but how can compiz be incorporated anyway? [13:17] compiz needs libpng12-dev [13:17] i know slackware is not the optimal, but still i always return to slackware because it is just working... and as you are here looking, PaddyMac, you are probably thinking about returning again [13:17] crocket, slackware does NOT break packages out into package/package-dev [13:17] konqueror config ---> http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/4058/snapshot1p.png [13:17] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD6AC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:17] when you get the slackbuild, you get the sources [13:18] alisonken1home: do you mean slackware doesn't deal with -dev packages? [13:18] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:18] libpng12 wasn't in slackware, either. [13:18] ls -l /usr/lib64/mozilla/plugins/ [13:18] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 2010-05-28 17:10 opensc-pkcs11.so -> opensc-pkcs11.so [13:18] MrCarrot. Well, probbaly not on the current box, but perhaps on another PC. [13:18] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [13:18] no - slackware provides the sources with every package in the dvd, and you either d/l the sources or have sbopkg d/l the sources to make the package [13:18] how can i load this plugin in Konqueror please? [13:19] other distros use -dev so they can have binary packages and source packages separate [13:19] ente (~ente@unaffiliated/n0nsense) joined ##slackware. [13:19] hi... in which package is s2disk? [13:20] crocket, slackpkg search libpng -> [ installed ] - libpng-1.2.37-x86_64-1 [13:20] oh [13:20] It isn't libpng12 [13:21] ok - then find out what libpng12 is then [13:21] you may have to make a package for it if it's compiz-specific [13:21] slackbuild [13:22] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [13:22] ente: echo 4 >/proc/acpi/sleep [13:22] that might do it [13:22] i have not been trying [13:22] pm-hibernate [13:22] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [13:22] but putting 3 there puts it in suspend [13:22] pm-suspend [13:22] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [13:23] slackytude: i learned something new also... i have been doing it by putting values straight in the sleep file [13:23] Ps3-Jack_ (~chatzilla@112.135.60.47) joined ##slackware. [13:23] been there, done that [13:23] got the t-shirt [13:24] "And all I got was this lousy t-shirt!" [13:24] Ps3-Jack (~chatzilla@112.135.7.16) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [13:24] I had been G-lined I wonder why they let me to [13:24] tuxdev_ (~tim@unaffiliated/tuxdev) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [13:24] sorry [13:24] Nick change: Ps3-Jack_ -> Ps3-Jack [13:24] ok - I've heard of k-lined, but what's G-lined? [13:25] dhabyx (~dhabyx@unaffiliated/dhabyx) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:25] you take two g spots and join em together to form a line [13:25] heh [13:25] goodnight! [13:25] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [13:26] mrcarrot (~lasse@adsl-46.178-Static.ssp.fi) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:26] sahko: G-line means banning from globally from IRC networks. [13:26] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [13:26] Necrosporus (~Xenius@unaffiliated/necrosporus) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [13:26] It's the next higher rank from k-lined [13:26] G-line means they really don't like you [13:27] of course [13:27] I really don't like those aliens either but I need technology. [13:27] lol :P [13:28] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [13:29] lunarvalleys (~lunarvall@dyn3-82-128-190-149.psoas.suomi.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:31] I was k-lined from irc.atheme.org #audacious for asking stupid questions. [13:31] k-lined for a week [13:32] Arno[Slack] (~arno@gre92-1-81-57-177-108.fbx.proxad.net) joined ##slackware. [13:32] Urchlay (~dammit@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) joined ##slackware. [13:32] gabba (~gabba@pool-96-244-128-12.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:33] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [13:33] never mind crocket we humans only not welcome to this freenode.But it's going to change soon. :) [13:34] meaning? [13:34] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: ... [13:34] I'm day and night studying and working hard to get technology to mind hand. These days I'm trying to join DRI development and reading it's source code now. [13:35] one good thing is everything is open source. [13:35] hang around the kernel dev channel? [13:35] DRM means direct rendering infastructure. My favourate part in linux kernel. [13:35] * direct rendering manager [13:36] I know what drm means - just wondering if you hang around the kernel development channel and talk with them about kernel internals [13:36] #kernelnewbies actually [13:36] CtrlAltCa (~fabio@kvirc/developer/CtrlAltCa) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [13:38] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:40] Ps3-Jack, You should consider #dri-devel as well as the driver specific channels for the hardware you are interested in: #radeon, #nouveau, #intel-gfx for example. [13:40] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:40] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [13:40] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [13:40] drm==digital rights management [13:41] not inside linux [13:41] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. 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[13:52] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD6AC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [13:53] toby_ (~barry@212.183.140.51) joined ##slackware. [13:53] Nick change: toby_ -> Guest63841 [13:54] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD6AC.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [13:54] Building a SlackBuild package has a disadvantage of not knowing what's inside beforehand. [13:54] then build from source [13:54] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) left irc: Quit: Leaving [13:55] superGear : it also has that disadvantage [13:55] slackbuild is building from source [13:55] binary-based packages let me knw what's inside beforehand. [13:56] what? [13:56] but not always if they'll work with your particular installation [13:57] nvision (~nvision@e179138007.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [13:57] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [13:58] echelon (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/harel) joined ##slackware. [14:00] how can I set LANG properly in slackware? [14:00] en_US is not good enough. It should be en_US.UTF8 [14:00] it's in /etc/profile or something [14:00] edit /etc/profile.d/lang.sh [14:00] Since my primary language is not english, I need to see my own language. [14:00] yeah [14:01] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.8.101) joined ##slackware. [14:01] it makes things slower though [14:01] lol thats funny I just googled about that before I left (left to set the language actually) [14:01] http://alien.slackbook.org/slackshow2008/presentations/inputmethods.pdf take a look [14:01] Slackware is not a property of USA. [14:01] good evening boys and girls [14:02] Heya mancha o/ [14:02] \o [14:02] what country is Pat V in? [14:02] crocket: you can set the language to anything? [14:02] superGear: USA [14:02] en_US.UTF8 must be the default of slackware. [14:02] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) joined ##slackware. [14:03] But his name somehow sounds german though, if I'm allowed to say that xD [14:03] crocket: en_US.UTF-8 [14:03] otherwise it wont work [14:03] ok [14:03] Where are the list of locales that work? [14:03] *is [14:03] locale -av? [14:03] Since english is not my primary, I make grammatical mistakes [14:04] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] But as I said there is one thing wrong with doing locale -a it is always language_LANGUAGE.UTF-8 [14:04] RickBuzzly (~rickbuzzl@166.205.8.101) left irc: Client Quit [14:04] loale shows it like .utf8 [14:04] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [14:04] local* [14:04] wah [14:04] locale I mean* [14:05] zu viele deutsche [14:05] Is it documented in slackbook? [14:05] slackytude: ^_^ [14:05] there can be only one -_- [14:06] crocket: dunno, Slackbook doesnt cover everything a good ammount of googling and this website: http://alien.slackbook.org/dokuwiki/doku.php help a lot ^_^ [14:08] slackytude: what do you mean? [14:08] Roin, huh? [14:08] slackytude | there can be only one -_- <-- that [14:08] Roin, you mean the "there can be only one" remark [14:08] Yeah [14:09] I remember the time when I was pretty much the sole german regular here [14:09] it was meant to be a joke and a reference to Highlander [14:09] I see ok :D [14:10] grr amarok still can't play albums with UTF-8 chars in it like åäö, it works in song title but not album :( [14:10] slackytude: didn't you leave for a bit? they moved in when you weren't around to chase them off! [14:10] utf8 has no place in music! [14:10] raela, yeah, I need to chop some heads off [14:11] mancha ? [14:11] mancha, not everyone uses english :) [14:12] nille, just being silly, it's too bad not all apps are unicode friendly yet, give em time though. moving from decades of single byte characters to multi-bite is not easy [14:12] But everybody here needs to use english. [14:12] Mel-nix (1000@117.255.77.19) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [14:12] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:13] crocket, as noted in too many other places, the world does not revolve around slackware or english [14:13] multi-byte :) "bite" must be a freudian slip meaning "eye iz hungry" [14:13] another one bites the dust [14:14] dum dum dum [14:14] alisonken1home: I still don't know why audacious doesn't accept .wav files. [14:14] gremlins [14:15] dTd (~dTd@d-66-212-210-213.cpe.metrocast.net) joined ##slackware. [14:15] crocket, i solved this mystery last night! [14:15] hmm - don't really use audacious, so haven't really dug into it [14:15] mancha: tell me please [14:15] i told you last night! [14:15] mancha : I don't remember. [14:15] that's too bad [14:15] tell me again [14:15] lol [14:15] Action: mancha goes back to playing wavs on audacious.... [14:15] noobfarm [14:16] Axius (~fd@109.97.39.159) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:17] I don't know why lots of linux applications don't support basic features. [14:17] like playing .wav files [14:17] It's ridiculous. [14:17] something to do with "proprietary" and the owners not wanting them out of their playbox? [14:17] Other OS users may laugh. [14:18] meego 1.0 is released! has anyone tried it? [14:18] until they start to realize how much time/energy/money they spend on just keeping their systems running [14:18] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:18] alisonken1home: ? [14:18] What do you refer to? [14:19] gar0t0_ (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) left irc: Quit: rah [14:19] I don't know why lots of linux applications don't support basic features. [14:19] crocket, ^^ [14:19] gar0t0 (~gar0t0@unaffiliated/gar0t0) joined ##slackware. [14:19] I don't know who they are [14:20] linux users or windows users? [14:20] By the context, it would be linux users. [14:20] the people that own the patents on things like wav file algorythms and such [14:20] Windows users don't spend time on maintaining systems. [14:20] is why linux does not do a lot of things other o/s's do [14:20] hmm [14:20] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:21] crocket, exactly - and they complain about their computers and bsods and spam and having to send their systems in for a $50 cleanup after viruses and things as well [14:21] alisonken1home: With careful handling, one doesn't have to worry about viruses in windows. [14:21] Firewalls, antivirus, and user discretion. [14:22] Anti-Virus' are a waste of CPU cycles [14:22] crocket, as noted, we're talking about normal Windows users and MS version of software [14:22] alisonken1home: $50 ? shit no, if a Windoze user asked me to clean up their crap I'd charge $500 , out of spite [14:22] common sense > * [14:22] alisonken1home: we linux users spend much more time on computers than windows users in general. [14:22] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) joined ##slackware. [14:22] adaptr, depends on where you go - most 50$ cleanup jobs are very minimalistic or basic format/reinstall jobs [14:23] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.54) joined ##slackware. [14:23] alisonken1home: how much time do you spend on computer? [14:23] your own computer. [14:23] xMDKx (~mdkcore@nat/mandriva/x-unjbwrarhwgnzwdx) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [14:23] crocket: that's a difficult question. I have 5 or 6 - should I add them up or divide ? [14:24] crocket, depends - my work is in a network operations center, but the time I have at home is rather limited [14:24] i'd say Slackware users are lazy tbh :P [14:24] we don't update 24/7 [14:24] and no - my noc work has no connection to windows :) [14:24] you should see the number of updates Ubuntu/OpenSuSE/Fedora push out each week to fix bugs [14:24] NthDegree, a lazy *nix admin usually means that the systems are setup properly :) [14:24] alisonken1home: no windows firewalls between your NOC and the internet ? blasphemer! [14:24] tbh? [14:24] crocket, to be honest [14:25] adaptr, no Windows machines in the noc :) [14:25] alisonken1home: but they're better at it! [14:25] alisonken1home, for me that is a weird feeling [14:25] ok slackware has a disadvantage that its updates are less frequent than major distros? [14:25] um..no [14:25] crocket, no it's an advantage [14:26] it has as its main advantage that you need fewer "fixes" [14:26] no - slackware updates mean that there's less problems with the packages that are distributed [14:26] With ubuntu, I can just click update, and it's done. [14:26] crocket, we get to be lazy compared to other Linux distros [14:26] crocket: yea, fixing *what*, exactly ? [14:26] "slackpkg update-all" and I'm done [14:26] With Ubuntu/Fedora/OpenSuSE you have to wonder if things get fixed or more broken [14:26] It's the same with ubuntu anyway [14:26] debian is mature, though. [14:26] ubuntu and fedora are the bleeding edge cousins of debian-stable and rhel. [14:26] crocket: um, with how much you talk about ubuntu, and compare slack to ubuntu.. every thought you might be happier on ubuntu? [14:26] echo "slackpkg upgrade; slackpkg update-all" > ~/Desktop/update.sh; chmod +x ~/Desktop/update.sh [14:27] click that [14:27] they need to be compared to slackware-current if anything [14:27] raela : I had been on ubuntu for months. [14:27] s/chmod +x/\/bin/\/sh update.sh/ [14:27] mancha, you'd think RHEL 6 would be more stable than the F12 it is based on right? [14:28] When I tested it, the kernel had a broken NMI watchdog that kept crying wolf over my CPU [14:28] Can I install RHEL without paying for it? [14:28] install centos [14:28] or another RHEL clone [14:28] NthDegree, what did your paid-for support tell you? [14:28] centos [14:28] get somebody to buy RHEL and then copy it off them [14:28] RHEL is no longer free....!!! [14:28] mancha, no paid-for support. RHEL 6 BETA is public, with free updates [14:28] alisonken1home, wont be clickable then [14:28] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) joined ##slackware. [14:28] guax (~guax@189.4.108.113) left irc: Changing host [14:28] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [14:28] tooly (horst@e178163006.adsl.alicedsl.de) left ##slackware. [14:29] well "beta" doesn't count...the point of that is to FIND bugs [14:29] forget RHEL [14:29] use Slackware! [14:29] actually it's "slackpkg update ; slackpkg upgrade-all" I believe [14:29] mancha, it's based on F12 though. Yet it's more broken than F12 was XD [14:29] next time say beta if you mean beta [14:29] mancha, my bad [14:29] sinuhe (~sinuhe@kaptah.deevans.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:29] alisonken1home, true [14:29] I thought i'd written the BETA part [14:29] Has anyone her managed to get skype or flash working with cuse4bsd and webcamd? VLC seems to display video fine, but those two apps just show massive distortion, no usable picture. [14:29] And, stupid me, I asked in the wrong channel. [14:29] Sorry. [14:30] np :) [14:30] superGear, I agree [14:30] superGear, for a desktop setup it is definitely easier to get going with [14:30] do we have an fbsd spy here?!?! :) [14:30] rhel is not really meant for desktops [14:30] and it does what it is intended to do quite well [14:31] Well there is a RHEL Desktop version ? [14:31] slackytude, they don't give it much love on the desktop... but they sell a desktop version [14:31] fedora [14:31] fedora or centos [14:31] ...RHEL desktop edition doesn't make much sense [14:31] NthDegree, really? [14:31] slackytude, or RHEL Desktop :P [14:31] funky [14:31] and I wouldn't call centos a desktop edition [14:31] slackytude, http://www.redhat.com/rhel/desktop/ [14:31] centos is the same as rhel (to the user) [14:31] oh and they are cheeky at Red HAt [14:32] yep - just not as expensive and paid support is rather different than rhel [14:32] They sell an academic license with *no* support for a reduced price [14:32] i hear slackware 13.2 is due out next week (true)? [14:32] yes they sell a subscription that has no support for students XD [14:32] mancha, yes [14:32] cool! [14:32] slackytude: what? [14:32] oh, they do have a desktop version.. ugh [14:32] Oh man [14:32] slackytude: 13.1 just came out [14:32] 13.2 [14:32] jewbacca, :P [14:33] ok, before my joke spins out of control....i am joking about 13.2! :) [14:33] mancha, Praise BOB!? :P [14:34] NthDegree :> [14:34] its "Bob" [14:34] mancha : tell me how you got audacious playing .wav files. [14:34] crocket i already told you. [14:34] Cr1kk4 (~alpha@93-45-118-69.ip102.fastwebnet.it) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:35] mancha, you didn't tell me today. [14:35] This is where I say.. get DeaDBeeF and forget about Audacious XD [14:35] mancha, please, I'm a lost soul. [14:36] DeaDBeeF +1 [14:36] ok [14:36] it was a one time offer on free audacious support. if you paypal me $150 i will consider repeating myself. [14:37] This is the moment I feel weird [14:37] please note the $150 does not ensure i will repeat myself, it only secures the option [14:37] haha [14:37] mancha, $150 for just few words [14:37] in this room [14:37] it's called a channel. [14:37] ok [14:37] channel [14:38] I would rather save money and buy Xbox360 [14:38] you can't read again? that costs far less [14:38] crocket: and you would also read the manual to find out how it works... [14:38] adrien : Is that for me? [14:38] crocket: use google [14:38] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:38] crocket, if you want a prayer for your lost soul then donate $20 to Rev. Peter Popoff instead? :P [14:39] actually I just started reading so I don't know what I'm talking about, only noticed someone speaking about money [14:39] or Popov, which is cheaper :) [14:39] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Client Quit [14:39] meh....make it Ernest Angley...:D [14:40] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [14:42] MLanden did you ever test aac's on deadbeef? [14:42] mancha, yeah...wouldn't allow me to play it either [14:43] latest version adds that feature [14:43] MLanden ok yes, that is what it seems like...their onlline docs don't say no aacs and actually hint at aac playing through the ffmpeg codec. i think it's broked. [14:43] the slackbuild isn't latest [14:44] v3gard (~vegard@svale.hia.no) left irc: Quit: leaving [14:44] Nth, are you 100% certain? [14:44] added AAC 'net streaming support (ffmpeg plugin) [14:44] ^ quoted [14:44] from changelog on the site [14:44] and MP4 is AAC [14:44] v3gard (~v3gard@v3gard.com) joined ##slackware. [14:44] slackbuild is outdated a bit [14:44] try to play a local aac file first then report :) [14:45] kk, lemme go update it [14:45] then i'll say for sure [14:47] v4nelle (~van@79.107.210.228) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:47] btw does anyone know where I can get a clean, working AAC? [14:47] Action: NthDegree only does MP3, FLAC and OGG normally [14:47] Tweaking_Man (~Tweaking_@pm1dialin-20.danbbs.dk) joined ##slackware. [14:48] NthDegree, try http://aac.software.informer.com/download-aac-demo-file/ [14:48] disregard* [14:49] try http://www.schillmania.com/projects/soundmanager2/demo/page-player/ [14:54] kk got some :D [14:54] http://www.nch.com.au/acm/sample.aac [14:54] slackid (~slackid@125.163.251.150) left irc: Quit: Leaving [14:54] actually, don't use that, that aac file is borked [14:54] fail, not playing an AAC file [14:54] Nick change: alema0 -> alema0ff [14:54] Nick change: alema0ff -> alema0 [14:54] Look for .m4a files - those are AAC encoded too [14:54] I have a bunch [14:54] this is a cool sound! http://freshly-ground.com/data/video/Rain%20on%20Car%20Roof.aac [14:54] would be nice if I had faac and faad compiled XD [14:54] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) left irc: Quit: life(); [14:54] anavel (~shandy@unaffiliated/anavel) joined ##slackware. [14:54] mancha, change the aac to m4a and see if deadbeef will play it [14:55] doesn't recognise m4a as supported on the open list either [14:55] which is fail [14:56] and forcing it to try and play it does nothing [14:56] gabba_ (~gabba@pool-96-244-128-12.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [14:56] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [14:56] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [14:56] wooo...upgrade process went well [14:56] mancha: still want somebody to test aac compat? I have a few, only thing is that I need to go under the desk to plug the drive [14:56] Action: adrien loves sata hotplug =) [14:57] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [14:57] Action: gabba_ is now -current [14:57] mlanden, that does it [14:57] so it is borked filetyping [14:57] someone should let the dev know [14:58] Cool_C (~master@f125160.upc-f.chello.nl) joined ##slackware. [14:58] mancha: -> #deadbeefplayer if you want [14:59] mancha, cool [14:59] hello, after upgrade to 13.1 i noticed that cd's/dvd's are being detected twice at boot. i see two entries for the same drive in kde. but if i eject the drive and insert again, only one is seen [14:59] yep mlanden, good call yours :) [15:00] i just posted this info on the #deadbeefplayer channel [15:01] adamk_ (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:01] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [15:02] Ps3-Jack_ (~chatzilla@112.135.46.114) joined ##slackware. [15:05] Ps3-Jack (~chatzilla@112.135.60.47) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [15:05] nille_ (1000@c-83-233-249-34.cust.bredband2.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:05] Nick change: Ps3-Jack_ -> Ps3-Jack [15:07] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d869f53.pool.mediaWays.net) joined ##slackware. [15:09] Urchlay (~dammit@lbb-dslst.69616810.amaonline.com) left irc: Quit: :wqP! [15:09] Hey, I have an encoding/locale problem with LXDE on SW 13.1: lxterminal shows question marks instead of characters like ä,ö,ü,ß [15:09] I g2g see ya all o/ [15:09] This makes it inconvenient to use vim to type German texts [15:09] Roin (~florian@p5B2BD6AC.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Quit: see ya all o/ [15:09] no one reads german texts anymore [15:10] mancha: As a matter of fact, I have a German text I'd like to send through a regular expression [15:10] the days of marx, gauss, hegel are over! [15:10] it's all about english baybee, get with it! [15:10] Hegel sucks though, I'll give you that [15:11] ilj (~ilj@sourcemage/grimoire/apprentice/ilj) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [15:12] No seriously though, why can't I see special characters? [15:12] I set the locale to en_US.utf8 [15:12] Doesn't help [15:13] meh....Nena never grows old...Ingendwie,Ingendwo,Ingendwann..:D [15:13] http://www.amahi.org/ [15:13] looks good [15:13] Irgendwie, Irgendwo, Irgendwann [15:14] MLanden (and anyone else who wants), this is my working patch to allow deadbeef to play aac: http://mancha.pastebin.com/q0S33zRd [15:15] whoops*....n'ed when I should of r'ed..:( [15:15] Gib mir die Hand, [15:15] ich bau dir ein Schloss aus Sand, [15:15] irgendwie, irgendwo, irgendwann [15:15] Sheesh, simply mentioning German does this? [15:15] Wow [15:16] slackytude, good one from John Lennon...some footage was still floating on youtube [15:17] a cover? [15:17] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [15:18] cyrus v dovecot, what do you prefer? [15:18] dustybin: cyrus for large-scale applications, dovecot for quick deployments. [15:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [15:19] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [15:19] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [15:19] thumbs: that answers my question perfectly :D postfix slackbuild supports dovecot :D [15:19] sorry,slackytude..... was referring to Komm,Gib Mir Deine Hand.... [15:19] dustybin: indeed. [15:19] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) joined ##slackware. [15:24] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [15:24] arfon (~arfon@ppp-70-253-95-163.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [15:24] Helloooooooo Slackers [15:24] [crickets] [15:25] [frogs] [15:26] [distant wolves] [15:26] [puppy dog tails] [15:26] [tumbleweed] [15:26] Tweaking_Man (~Tweaking_@pm1dialin-20.danbbs.dk) left irc: Quit: Ayttm logging off [15:26] [albanian treehuggers] [15:26] Bassist (~bass_@mnch-5d869f53.pool.mediaWays.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [15:26] Ok, now you're just getting silly [15:26] [crazy laughter] [15:26] coyote ? that would fit the 'sphere [15:27] or was that hyenas [15:27] can anyone give me a rundown on how to use the usbimg2disk script? [15:29] I want to take a 4Gb thumb drive and put the slackware directory on it and make it bootable so I can run around and upgrade a bunch of machines.... [15:29] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:29] foobarz (1000@unaffiliated/foobarz) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [15:32] anyone? [15:32] nixness (~dsc@78.101.91.248) left irc: Quit: leaving [15:35] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [15:37] a more "correct" patch: http://mancha.pastebin.com/0ugXjDQN (enjoy!) [15:48] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) joined ##slackware. [15:50] Kaapa (~Something@a95-93-240-222.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined ##slackware. [15:50] timahvo1 (~rogue@41.223.57.82) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [15:52] good job,mancha [15:53] good deal, you applied it? [15:53] building now [15:57] building what ? [15:58] deadbeef 0.4.1 [15:58] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [15:58] arfon: run it with the "-h" parameter for assistance [15:58] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [15:59] phe (~phe@AToulouse-258-1-50-119.w90-55.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:02] K, will try it [16:02] jareth_ (~X@bak.project-treadstone.nl) joined ##slackware. [16:02] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:03] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:04] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:05] whats with the deadbeef mania today? [16:05] Eric, you there? [16:05] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) joined ##slackware. [16:06] 'cause livebeef is hard to eat... [16:06] it fights too much when you try and stick it with a fork [16:06] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [16:06] oh, another comedian, as if mancha wasnt enough [16:06] akhe (~akhe@0x573bb4a2.ronqu1.dynamic.dsl.tele.dk) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:06] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) joined ##slackware. [16:07] Do I get a noobfarm for that one??? :) [16:07] say what? [16:07] what? [16:07] unixbum (marto@87.120.78.13) joined ##slackware. [16:07] unixbum (marto@87.120.78.13) left ##slackware. [16:07] heh [16:07] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:08] alienBOB, you there? [16:09] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [16:09] Yes [16:09] I have a slight problem.... [16:09] Not running Slackware at the moment arfon? [16:09] if I: usbimg2disk.sh -f -s /home/ftp/pub/slackware-13.0 -o /dev/sdX it will try and fit everything on the drive and it doesn't fit... [16:10] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) joined ##slackware. [16:10] How do I just get the slackware dir and the fdisk/setup stuff? [16:10] i've put rain-on-roof.aac on loop play and my blood pressure's already gone down a lot [16:11] you can get that here without any player [16:11] How can i find out what is using /dev/dsp? [16:11] lsof [16:11] To answer your question, I've got 3 slack machine on in front of me (I'm typing on your baby (Slack64 13.0)) right now. [16:11] arfon: move the slackware-13.0/source directory out of the way until the script has don its work, then move it back [16:11] ALL of my mschines are Slackware and I have some servers and what not to upgrade. :) [16:12] slackytude: doesnt return anything ( lsof | grep dsp) [16:12] So... rund the script on a blank drive THEN copy the slackware dir onto it....? [16:12] arfon: most people having trouble with the script try to run it on ubuntu or fedora - these apparently have issues with Slackware scripting ;-) [16:13] arfon: no, just move the source directory out of slackware-13.1 so that the script does not copy that to the USB stick [16:13] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:13] I just ran the -h part and saw what it said and knew that when it ried to copy everything over, it would run out of space [16:13] The usbimg2disk script does not allow for selective copy (yet) [16:14] AH, you're clever [16:14] neonflux (~neonflux@dhcp64-134-221-178.hoic.dca.wayport.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:14] Ok, will do without the source [16:14] arfon: wait [16:14] waiting [16:14] Actually, I had forgotten... [16:15] doh! [16:15] Stuff like the source is already excluded from the copy [16:15] As well as several other large directories/files [16:15] Look for EXCLUDES in the script [16:15] ok, my brain has caught on to the repetetive pattern of rain-on-roof.aac and has brought it to my consciousness so it now sounds liek its on loop-play. my blood pressure is back up [16:16] slackytude: all is well, [16:16] so, all I have to do is: usbimg2disk.sh -f -s /mnt/cdrom -o /dev/sdb [16:16] (I have the ISO mounts as /mnt/cdrom [16:16] mounted [16:16] Yes [16:16] SW-eet! [16:17] The "-f" will format the disk [16:17] I don't care what the Fedora guys say, you guys are OK! [16:17] It can do without the formatting if there is still valuable data on the disk [16:17] Nah, I just wiped it so it's fresh.... [16:17] But with the "-f" it will be cleaner [16:17] One more Q though.... [16:17] YEs [16:18] I have noticed that machine have problems with USB drive that aren't partitioned.... It's okay if I fdisked forst and made a sdb1? [16:18] first [16:19] so maybe the command should be: usbimg2disk.sh -f -s /mnt/cdrom -o /dev/sdb1 ? [16:19] The script will make a /dev/sdb1 for you [16:19] [hugs] [16:19] But you have to specify -o /dev/sdb [16:19] Should I add the -L ? [16:19] i'll try asing again; after upgrade to 13.1 i noticed that cd's/dvd's are being detected twice at boot. i see two entries for the same drive in kde. but if i eject the drive and insert again, only one is seen. what can be wrong? [16:20] usbimg2disk.sh -f -L Slack13.1 -s /mnt/cdrom -o /dev/sdb [16:20] The script was primarily intended for machines where the usbboot.img (which creates a partitionless USB stick) would not boot [16:21] The "-L" is optional. The default label will be "USBSLACKINS" but you can choose something else [16:21] If this works, I'm gonna post this on LinuxQuestions [16:21] I want -L SLACKWARE_muthaF! [16:22] Okay, I gonna try... if you see me quit the chat room, that means I did: usbimg2disk.sh -f -s /mnt/cdrom -o /dev/sda [16:22] Haha [16:22] I wrote about the script's use here: http://alien.slackbook.org/blog/installing-slackware-using-usb-thumb-drive/ [16:23] haqe19 (~minty@host-137-205-27-085.res.warwick.ac.uk) left irc: Quit: leaving [16:23] Since then, the new functionality has also been added to usb-and-pxe-installers/usbimg2disk.sh [16:24] Hmmm, I'm getting permission denied.... yes, as root [16:24] alienBOB....much thanks for the multilib packages and scripts :-) [16:24] duh, chmod it [16:24] meh [16:25] manwichmakeameal (~tjones@97.86.29.42) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:26] Hey Eric, can you private chat with me so I can show you these errors? [16:27] mancha,works great! [16:28] MLanden, cheerios, enjoy! :) [16:28] pcastle (~pcastle@cpe-75-83-193-151.socal.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [16:29] What errors arfon [16:29] cp: failed to preserve ownership for `/mnt/usb.YaQVo9/syslinux/syslinux.cfg' [16:29] *** ./usbimg2disk.sh FAILED at line 37 *** [16:29] Like that [16:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [16:30] What filesystem is /mnt on ? [16:30] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:30] it's the slackware 13.1 DVD mounted as a loop on /mnt/cdrom [16:31] dvd ISO image [16:32] Cool_C (~master@f125160.upc-f.chello.nl) left irc: Quit: grjkegj [16:34] sorry, let me answer what you really asked.... /mnt is on my EXT3 fs, /mnt/cdrom is a lopped DVD ISO image [16:35] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [16:35] lopped = looped [16:36] actually, is /mnt really on an EXT3? or is it in /dev/magicland? [16:38] Drakevr (~drakevr@unaffiliated/drakevr) left irc: Quit: Leaving [16:39] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) joined ##slackware. [16:39] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [16:39] hey guys [16:40] What does it say if you type mount? [16:40] arfon: in line 372 you will see: cp -a $MNTDIR1/* $MNTDIR2/syslinux/ [16:40] Change "cp -a" to "cp -dR" and try again [16:40] I wonder what changed late in slackware-current that that cp fails. [16:40] say I'm trying to install the ati proprietary driver and when I build it for 13.1 as --- sh ati-driver-installer-10-5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All -- then install them and try to load the mod as -- modprobe fglrx I get this: [16:40] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4/external/fglrx.ko.gz): Invalid module format [16:41] and I can't figure this out how to get it to load... [16:41] I have no time to check it out, but hopefully tomorrow [16:41] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [16:41] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [16:41] Xgates: perhaps you have to switch to using the generic kernel [16:42] how do i properly setup a chroot? I've installed the a 32bit slack12.2 in the chroot [16:42] ok, in case people weren't around, here's my patch for deadbeef to recognize and play .aac audio: http://mancha.pastebin.com/ZGccDuUb [16:42] it's appearntly not configured [16:42] alienBOB: ahhh, why would that be? [16:43] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [16:43] Ok, I'll try it now (Got distracted because I was reading about an extinct flightless bird) [16:43] dodo? [16:44] Hey, I'm not bright but I'm no dodo [16:45] Genyornis [16:45] pcastle (~pcastle@cpe-75-83-193-151.socal.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: Colloquy for iPhone - http://colloquy.mobi [16:46] Looks good so far ! [16:46] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [16:47] pupiteee (~p@109.93.105.154) joined ##slackware. [16:47] arfon, good subject....see by wiki,a rock painting was recently discovered [16:47] That's what I was reading, on /. [16:48] I gotta say, the rock painting looks NOTHING like the artist impression! Looks like a 6year old drew them [16:48] 6yr old or an aborigine.... [16:49] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined ##slackware. [16:49] ok off to boot generic and see how that goes thanks alienBob [16:49] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [16:49] can someone walk me through setting up a 32bit chroot environment? i can isntall it, but i'm having issues with compiling still [16:49] Nick change: ente -> n0nsense [16:50] i'm reinstalling packages from 12.2 [16:51] are there any steps i need to do after i install everything? don't i need to set it up somehow? [16:51] uva (as@111-240-213-78.dynamic.hinet.net) joined ##slackware. [16:52] Cann0n, i thought alisonken1home (or perhaps someone else) went over this [16:53] as far as i know, my issue wasn't resolved [16:53] hmmm... did you save the commands that were posted? [16:53] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [16:53] yes, but i appears i am lacking some [16:54] for example, don't i need to setup this chroot environment or is just installing a bunch of stuff (which doesn't solve my problem) do the thrick? [16:54] Cann0n, did you also install the d/ set in the chroot? [16:55] Does this help any: http://slackworld.berlios.de/2007/chroot_howto.html ??? (he says coming into the conversation late) [16:55] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [16:55] better late than... [16:56] Can any of you play .wav files in slackware 13.1? [16:56] no [16:56] alisonken1home: i installed the entire dvd [16:56] HEY HEY HEY AlienB, it looks like it worked! [16:56] Can any of you play .wav files in audacious for slackware 64 13.1? [16:57] shyko (~shyko@unaffiliated/shyko) left irc: Quit: home! [16:58] Google doesn't have the answer. [16:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [16:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [16:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [16:59] Plus, slackware doesn't have ibus-hangul, either. [16:59] crocket, ever since you signed on you've been pointing out what you consider faults of slackware. why don't you pick a distrib you like more? [16:59] Is anyone using svn on an ntfs partition here? Do you have permissions issues? I have to su everything or it fails [17:00] mancha, It's easier to find flaws than advantages. [17:00] i'd say the opposite, but that's me [17:00] alisonken1home: that howto doesn't do me much good [17:00] crocket but it's annoying. also, this is FOSS, if you have a fix, do it [17:00] pim_ (pim12@stud173174.mobiel.utwente.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:01] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:01] Hello, i was wondering weather it would be useful to upgrade to slackware 13.1? [17:01] Certainly. Is there any reason you wouldn't want to? [17:01] r_linux (~r_linux@189.38.220.35) left irc: Quit: ... [17:01] upgrade from what to what, pim_? [17:02] from what to 13.1* [17:02] 13.0 [17:02] you'll get a better KDE experience [17:02] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [17:03] MS3FGX well the system is doing just fine, and secuirity updates are being posted [17:03] shonundo i don't use a gui [17:03] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:03] pim_, if the box is running the way you want (and you don't want anything else) then probably no [17:04] What exactly is the machine being used for? If you don't have a GUI, then a lot of the changes between 13.0 and 13.1 will be lost on you. [17:04] mancha, I knew it since you didn't want to tell me how to fix audacious. [17:04] i'm still running 11 on my main box mostly because i saw no compelling reason to upgrade [17:04] until now [17:04] s0d0 (~sod@host81-141-52-191.wlms-broadband.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:04] thinking of going with 13.1 [17:04] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [17:04] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:05] MS3FGX a server [17:05] you're probably good with what you have, pim_ [17:05] alright [17:05] Yeah, probably leave it where it is for a server. My web server is on 13.0 too, and isn't going to change anytime soon. [17:05] pim_: you're the admin. read the changelog and decide [17:06] changelog, release notes, etc [17:06] gabba_ (~gabba@pool-96-244-128-12.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:08] Zozma (~Shapeshif@97-83-229-2.dhcp.eucl.wi.charter.com) joined ##slackware. [17:08] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [17:08] ok switching to generic isn't working either [17:08] sahko: hi [17:08] chb (~1000@unixboard/mod/chb) left irc: Quit: inter rete non licet esse spatium vaccuus iuris -jjoeris [17:09] anyone know what's up with the ati driver when I make it for Slackware and then install them I get this error when trying to load the mod? [17:09] root@slackware:~# modprobe fglrx [17:09] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4/external/fglrx.ko.gz): Invalid module format [17:09] Xgates: 10.5 fglrx? [17:09] let me check, it's the latest one [17:10] ati-driver-installer-10-5-x86.x86_64.run [17:10] Xgates: how did you install it? [17:10] well i'm off again, thanks for the advice [17:10] bye [17:10] just ran ati-bla.run? [17:10] pim_ (pim12@stud173174.mobiel.utwente.nl) left irc: [17:10] sh ati-driver-installer-10-5-x86.x86_64.run --buildpkg Slackware/All [17:10] then installpkg: [17:11] fglrx-module-8.732-x86_64-1_kernel_2.6.33.4.tgz [17:11] fglrx-x750_64a-8.732-x86_64-1.tgz [17:11] Xgates: someone solved it on linuxquestions.org [17:11] google it [17:11] ahhh URL? [17:12] ahh I think I know what you're talking about let me check [17:12] AlienBOB, didn't work.... USB drive isn't bootable [17:13] pireau (1000@208.92.18.67) joined ##slackware. [17:13] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:15] sinuhe (~sinuhe@ip65-44-231-178.z231-44-65.customer.algx.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] hrmm so ISPs were really putting a damper on things so much that they opened up uTP? [17:15] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:15] Xgates: google- slackware fglrx current... something like that.. it was confirmed that fglrx works outfthebox for slack64 but not for 32bit [17:16] pupiteee: well if you know the URL I'd appreciate it because I didn't find anything that worked I found what there was for Linuxquestions at least all I could find [17:16] Xgates: wait till i find then.. [17:17] thanksw [17:17] Xgates: fglrx needs a patch, there's a slackbuild [17:18] Xgates: http://rapidshare.com/files/384585069/fglrx-8.723.1.tar [17:18] hmm I know that when you run the ati driver there is an internal patch [17:18] ok [17:19] I used that with 32bit the other day [17:19] ahhh i'm on x64 [17:19] well let me see then [17:19] that should work with 64 [17:19] k [17:19] raela: thats for 2.6.33 i think [17:20] ohhh, yeah, I'm using 13.1 with 2.6.33.4 [17:20] I'm using 13.1 [17:20] same 2.6.33.4 [17:20] raela: then the driver is not 10.5 [17:20] yeah so it should be good. the original patch/slackbuild was for 64 [17:20] wow 57mb patch [17:20] LOL [17:21] Xgates: type in google: fglrx slackware 13.1 [17:21] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:21] fglrx-installer_8.723.1.orig.tar.gz [17:21] its a repackage actualy [17:21] the link I gave was from LQ [17:21] http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/running-fglrx-with-current-796669/page3.html [17:22] raela: that is not the newest proprietary driver. [17:22] 10.5 comes with some big fixes [17:23] ah.. well.. this one is working for me, so I'll stick with it, since it patched well [17:24] Building and using the fglrx-driver with Linux 2.6.33.4 in Slackware64 -current (last update 2010-05-19) works without problems. I [17:24] so I just use instead the fglrx-8.723.1.tar? [17:24] well apparently it's a much older version [17:24] http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24016 [17:24] google more to find 10.5 with 2.6.33.4 [17:24] oh fglrx-8.723.1.tar takes it back to an older version? [17:25] Xgates: yup [17:25] wu_lmao (~a@c-24-147-175-17.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:25] ahh [17:25] Guest63841 (~barry@212.183.140.51) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:25] I just wanted to be able to watch videos and scroll without issues :P [17:26] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:26] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [17:28] I don't get this fglrx is a ati driver, so we have to get this fglrx from Ubuntu? [17:28] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/2:8.721-0ubuntu1/+files/fglrx-installer_8.721.orig.tar.gz [17:28] Xgates: not, 10.5, driver. [17:29] :) [17:29] that fglrx from Ubuntu is older, it's 8.721 and that patch is 8.723 [17:29] AlienBOB, didn't work.... USB drive isn't bootable [17:29] ok so how I get and use 105? [17:29] 10.5.... [17:29] going to ati's website [17:29] yes I got it I mean how do I make it work? [17:29] hehe [17:29] Xgates: first one to do it, makes a howto :) [17:29] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:30] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [17:30] i tried it few nights ago, repackage, to use some old patches but no victory. [17:30] pupiteee: yeah but it needs to be patched I thought, that's why I can't load it, BUT then these patches are older so then now what> [17:30] ? [17:31] Have you tried to use the patches against 10.5? [17:31] yes, [17:31] which ati card do you have? [17:31] and i was really near to success.. :S [17:31] 4200 igp [17:31] I got 3200, and hoping it would work.. hehe [17:31] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [17:31] do you like to read howto's? [17:31] raela: sorry you said you have 10.5 installed that you used this patch against? [17:31] linuxgoob (~linuxgoob@adsl-99-96-207-156.dsl.sfldmi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [17:32] Xgates: no, I have the older version, sorry. I just grabbed the slackbuild from the post and assumed it was a newer one [17:33] _marc` (~marc@cl-2515.ham-01.de.sixxs.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:33] that slackbuild is just for fglrx that's not the complete ati properitary driver, you don't know whatr ATI version you have? [17:34] fglrx is the ati proprietary driver. [17:34] What do you mean it's not complete? [17:34] I installed 10.5, saw direct rendering didn't work, removed the ati driver with its uninstall script, then got the slackbuild and did it that way [17:34] Xgates: come back when you red it: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/ATI-Wiki-Slackbuild_%28ENG%29 [17:34] k [17:35] Action: pupiteee off to supper [17:37] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [17:37] my bad I was just thinking of the module part of it [17:37] so what's a good version to go with for 13.1? [17:40] dvel (~dvel@unaffiliated/dvel) joined ##slackware. [17:42] Guest80325 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [17:43] we'll walk this road together through the storm, in any weather [17:43] raela, what is that [17:43] jeev: what is what? [17:43] song, come on [17:43] Guest80325 (~WhoAmI@pool-71-255-94-244.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) left irc: Client Quit [17:44] anyone tried 10-4 or 10-3? [17:44] maybe those will work? [17:44] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [17:45] first rule of the fight club, you read the howto's [17:45] 2nd rule of the fight club, you read the howto's! [17:45] jeev: I don't know that song. I could google and find it [17:45] but that feels like cheating [17:46] ohdannyboy (~dan@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Hackingyodel (~HackingYo@host-209-97-80-139.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [17:46] Hackingyodel (HackingYo@host-209-97-80-139.newwavecomm.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:47] Hackingyodel (~HackingYo@host-209-97-80-139.newwavecomm.net) joined ##slackware. [17:47] pupiteee: I've been using Slack for 10 years and I read that Wiki you gave me, my only problem is needing a patched version OR a version that works that's all, there isn't anything else in that Wiki pertaining to that [17:47] ThomasLocke (~ThomasLoc@pdpc/supporter/active/thomaslocke) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:48] thanks brb [17:48] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [17:48] i'm not afraid [17:48] :> [17:48] ercula (~ercula@97-116-184-251.mpls.qwest.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [17:48] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [17:48] xsamurai (~munki@unaffiliated/xsamurai) joined ##slackware. [17:48] greetings and salutations [17:49] thanks [17:49] y0 andarius [17:49] jeev: so should I cheat then? [17:49] salutations slackytude [17:49] raela, eminem - not afraid [17:49] andarius, hows it going [17:50] jeev: ah! okay :) been listening to eminem a bit lately, but don't know if I have that one [17:51] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [17:51] it's sick as usual [17:51] new song then? [17:52] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) joined ##slackware. [17:52] yea i guess [17:52] BsdNeo (~BsdNeo@unaffiliated/neo/x-596632) joined ##slackware. [17:53] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [17:53] june 22 his "recovery" album, i bet that's gonna be a sick ass album [17:54] Hackingyodel (HackingYo@host-209-97-80-139.newwavecomm.net) left ##slackware ("Leaving"). [17:54] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) joined ##slackware. [17:54] hopefully! I wonder if airplanes pt 2 will be on it [17:55] rapid (~rapid@unaffiliated/rapid) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [17:55] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [17:55] jgeboski1 (~james@97.72.86.194) joined ##slackware. [17:56] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@187.34.56.123) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [17:56] Action: raela takes jeev's hand :) [17:58] i got postfix + dovecot working :D [17:59] this means i can now shutdown my old server [17:59] slackytude: it goes decently well here. you ? [17:59] ohdannyboy (~dan@c-66-56-9-232.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: leaving [17:59] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [17:59] andarius, could be better bt Im stll alive [18:00] emma_ (~em@unaffiliated/emma) joined ##slackware. [18:00] well, as long as you are alive you can make it better :) [18:00] MLanden (~MLanden@pool-207-68-50-156.norf.east.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [18:01] heh [18:01] damn optimists [18:01] raela, airplanes pt 2 was "bob" [18:01] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Quit: Terminated with extreme prejudice - dircproxy 1.2.0 [18:02] jeev: I know, but he could still put it on his cd, right? since he was in on it as well [18:02] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [18:02] jeev: but I agree.. awesome song [18:02] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-4-87.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:03] clavius2 (James@172.sub-75-254-219.myvzw.com) joined ##slackware. [18:03] Agiofws (~Agiofws@athedsl-425256.home.otenet.gr) joined ##slackware. [18:04] rab13s (~micemicer@core.routed.com) joined ##slackware. [18:04] Nick change: emma_ -> emma [18:07] clavius (James@unaffiliated/clavius) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [18:08] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [18:08] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) joined ##slackware. [18:10] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@117.98.188.228) joined ##slackware. [18:12] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [18:17] i dont know raela, you hear not afraid ? [18:21] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [18:21] As a newbie, building a slackbuild script is more demanding than I thought. [18:24] I'm sorry I can't make it. I will just make slackware packages rather than making slackbuild scripts. [18:24] writing one? [18:24] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [18:24] I just make slackware packages for my own system. [18:24] amarelinho_EMO (~root@200.251.216.194) joined ##slackware. [18:24] which piece of software? [18:25] compiz suite, ibug-hangul, and audacious-plugins [18:25] amarelinho_EMO (root@200.251.216.194) left ##slackware. [18:25] hmm fglrx-8.723.1.tar isn't working for me either I still can't load it: [18:25] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format [18:26] ugh. amarok on 13.1 just sent my loadavg up to around 9... [18:26] and managed to suck down 92% of RAM (I've got 6GB) [18:27] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) joined ##slackware. [18:27] kurt_ : have you ever made a slackware package or slackbuild script? [18:27] mishehu, does it do that all the time? [18:27] crocket, yeah [18:28] kurt_ : How did you do it? [18:28] raela: did you just run the slackbuild that was in fglrx-8.723.1.tar? [18:28] I took slackbuilds.org template and changed it as needed for the package I was going to build. :) [18:29] kurt_ : 13.1 64bit? [18:29] kurt__: hmm not this time. it seems stable now. [18:29] kurt__: I hope that was just a one-time thing, as it brought my system to a standstill [18:29] I don't believe this I even used the dang patched version of fglrx and I still can't load it [18:29] errrr [18:29] Action: Xgates bangs head [18:30] mishehu, maybe a bug. [18:30] hmm I just got something about compositing being disabled, hit shift-alt-f12 to re-enable [18:31] mishehu, but for a one time thing, it's to much work to find [18:34] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [18:34] n0w0nd3r (~n0w0nd3r@117.98.188.228) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [18:35] 8 [18:36] sftp (~sftp@79.174.50.208) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:36] gtludwig (~gtl@150.162.165.54) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [18:37] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) joined ##slackware. [18:37] Greetings Programs! [18:37] Wiren (~IceChat7@LRouen-152-82-19-50.w80-13.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: Quit: The early bird may get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese [18:38] salutations user [18:38] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [18:38] hey andarius, what's up? [18:39] Gas prices, insurance premiums and my patiance. Aside from that hte grill is heating and the beer is cold. you ? [18:39] lol, cold beer and a hot grill - sounds good! Not much here, boring evening and windy windy outside [18:39] wertik_ (~wertik@95-25-93-198.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [18:40] tflorea (HydraIRC@dhcp184-48-53-230.oakmv.sjc.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [18:41] tflorea (HydraIRC@dhcp184-48-53-230.oakmv.sjc.wayport.net) left irc: Client Quit [18:42] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] MS3FGX (~MS3FGX@c-71-225-217-67.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] tflorea (HydraIRC@dhcp184-48-53-230.oakmv.sjc.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [18:43] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-26-4-87.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [18:44] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) joined ##slackware. [18:45] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) joined ##slackware. [18:47] windy it is [18:51] riza (~riza@unaffiliated/riza) joined ##slackware. [18:51] Hi. [18:52] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) joined ##slackware. [18:53] salutations riza [18:53] :D [18:54] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [18:54] If I may, does nayone here use -current for production pc? [18:54] if they do they would be silly minded [18:55] True but.. hm.. [18:55] silly wabbit [18:55] say anyone know anything about ati drivers or using them? I've tried two different patched versions fglrx-8.721 and fglrx-8.723 and they both still fail to load fglrx [18:55] ATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.33.4/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format [18:55] Xgates, reinstall. [18:55] that driver is not for that kernel [18:55] FATAL.... [18:55] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) joined ##slackware. [18:55] Whenever I have a video card related problem. I just reinstall. Tends to fix most problems I have. [18:55] reinstall what? [18:56] go read the ATI documentaiton, they always say what xorgand kernel their drivers are for [18:56] Yer' video driver. [18:56] I've tried the ati 10.5 also [18:56] linux_probe (~chris@cpe-75-185-178-138.neo.res.rr.com) joined ##slackware. [18:56] don't just "try". read! [18:56] my understanding is there is only a patch for 8.721 and8.723 [18:56] they tell you: version unga bunga is for kernel beeper bopper [18:56] yeah I read the Wiki [18:57] yeah I know they are for specific kernels but I thought I'd just try the older one anyways [18:57] well now you know, it don't work. case closed, stop asking :) [18:58] :) [18:58] mancha, that was fast, do you have your LPI? [18:58] shonudo (~user@c-174-56-31-0.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) left irc: Changing host [18:58] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) joined ##slackware. [18:58] mancha: 10.5 and 8.723 should work and they're not [18:59] how do you know they should work? [18:59] those are for 2.6.33.4 [18:59] link me to the ati/amd docs for those [18:59] See Release Notes [18:59] ? [19:00] yes give me url [19:00] http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/linux/Pages/radeon_linux.aspx?type=2.4.2&product=2.4.2.3.25&lang=English [19:00] tanks, going there now... [19:01] jgeboski1 (~james@97.72.86.194) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [19:02] i don't see where it says 2.6.33.4 is supported, am i blind? [19:04] SunDragon (rootabaga@c-98-232-209-34.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [19:04] sadman_ (~sadman@141.70.82.221) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:04] mancha: it only says 2.6 and above [19:05] sorry I was saying that it was suppose to work but then I was told it's not and that the fglrx-8.723 version that is patched will work and raela said he used the 8.723 patched version and it worked for him [19:05] yes i see that. very deficient information [19:06] raela: said he's using 13.1 x64 also which is what I'm running [19:06] and same kernel [19:06] Xgates, here's the deal, sometimes the driver can be patched because it is either something simple like a header name change that someone's fixed or somethig equally small [19:07] if it is significant, i bet no third party patches exist [19:07] try this: http://aur.archlinux.org/packages/catalyst/catalyst/fglrx-2.6.33.patch [19:07] the problem I'm having with the mod not loading is from what I read what the patch is made for [19:08] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds [19:09] I have the patch it comes with the tar [19:09] but I'll grab that one in case there are any differences [19:10] yeah that patch shows a difference with diff [19:10] but then there were two, one for fglrx-8.723 and one for fglrx-8.721 [19:11] start over and test the patch i linked you [19:11] this is for catalyst 10.5 that you posted from ati/amd [19:12] so wait is the fglrx-8.723.1.tar 10.5? [19:13] dude whatever you dl in the link you gave me which i closed alreayd [19:13] x-ip (~lain@201.252.209.133) joined ##slackware. [19:13] o/ [19:13] catalyst 10.5! [19:14] ok, so how would I patch it against the ati proprietary driver because when I install it I'm making the slackpkgs with it [19:14] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-251.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [19:15] there's a slackbuild that patches against the fglrx-8.723.tar [19:18] with catalyst 10.5 what options do you get wehen you run the .run? [19:19] jewbacca (~jewbacca@cpe-68-174-204-197.si.res.rr.com) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [19:19] why do you keep talking about fglrx-8.723? when i asked you to link me you linked me to catalyst 10.5. are they the same thing? [19:20] yeah I'm not sure [19:20] let me check 10.5 [19:23] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving [19:24] when 10.5 starts it says this: Uncompressing ATI Proprietary Linux Driver-8.732. [19:25] so that other one older [19:25] ok so catalyst 10.5 contains fglrx 8.732 [19:25] after uncompressing, apply the patch i gave you [19:27] well I take it I'm going to have to extract which I did into a direc and apply the patch then run it [19:27] actually maybe set it up so it runs with the installer [19:29] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) joined ##slackware. [19:29] after it uncompresses it, when the installer is waiting for you to click "i agree" or something, can't you go intothe dir it has put things in and patch? [19:30] yeah maybe not sure [19:30] hey, could you advice some nice front end for api docs ?> [19:31] the thing is you make slackpkgs with this is the best way running it as [19:31] Xgates, fine, but before that,right after it uncompressed [19:31] it has put the stuff somewhere...find that dir [19:31] go in there, and you should have see a dir called "common" if you see it you're good. [19:31] riza (riza@unaffiliated/riza) left ##slackware ("Leaving."). [19:31] sh ati-driver-installer-10-5-x86.x86_64.run ----buildpkg Slackware/All [19:32] ok [19:32] no, don't --buidpkg yet. just run the thin [19:32] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) joined ##slackware. [19:33] does it uncompress it and give you some options? [19:33] I can not get sound to work on my iMac running 13.1. It acts like it is playing sound but I hear nothing. Yes i have unmuted in alsamixer and stored. [19:34] ok got it: [19:34] root@slackware:/home/sar/fglrx-install.ClNyiL/common# ls [19:34] etc lib usr [19:34] ok, go one less in, ie don't go ito common [19:35] k [19:35] be in the dir so when you ls you see "common" [19:35] yea [19:35] how should I run the patch? [19:35] then type: patch -p1 < /path/to/patch/i/gave/you [19:35] k [19:36] ok better patch --verbose -p1 < .... [19:36] Hunk #3 succeeded [19:36] did all hunks succeed? [19:36] yeah [19:36] but should I run it as --verbose instead? [19:36] perfect, so now go back to the window you left open and contiunue [19:36] no, you don't run it again [19:37] ok [19:37] there's prolly a "generate driver for distrib" or something [19:37] where you can pick slackware [19:39] i'm guessing here so you need to help me :) i don't have this driver in front of me nor do i use proprietary stuff anyways...so you need to guide me ok? [19:39] edthix (~ed@110.159.93.157) joined ##slackware. [19:40] well the thing is in order to make it as the slackpkgs you need to run it from the CLI as sh ati-driver-installer-10-5-x86.x86_64.run ----buildpkg Slackware/All [19:41] and that's the problem doing it that way there is no way I can see how I'd patch it [19:41] there's no "build for specific distrib" thing? [19:41] yeah from the CLI running that cmd, but as soon as you run it, it starts making it [19:41] So..extract the source, patch it, make your own package [19:42] hey straterra long time :) [19:42] ok if you just run as is what does the first graphic screen say? [19:42] crocket (~crocket@121.168.91.143) joined ##slackware. [19:42] yeah there in the GUI you can pick for distros but for Slack you have to do it CLI, not through the GUI [19:42] audacious plays .wav files after I ran the slackbuild script in slackwareDVD/source. [19:42] It wasn't even in google [19:43] straterra: if I extract it how can I make it back into a .run pack? [19:43] you dont need to [19:44] hey, could you advice some nice GUI front end for api docs on linux ?> [19:44] ok, well once I extract it, not sure how I make it into what type of pack and run ut [19:44] like old kdevassistant ? [19:44] right straterra's point is you don't need to go back to a .run [19:44] extract the source and patch it..and compile like anything else [19:45] just cd into the extracted dir and run the right thing which is (beats me) [19:45] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) joined ##slackware. [19:45] I can not get sound to work on my iMac running 13.1. It acts like it is playing sound but I hear nothing. Yes i have unmuted in alsamixer and stored. [19:45] mancha, Did you use the same method as mine? [19:45] something with the words install or setup would be my guess, which'll prolly take those arguments --buildpkg or whatev [19:46] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:47] ahhh there's installer in it [19:47] LOL [19:47] ;p [19:48] darn can't just run it as 'sh' name [19:48] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.30.189) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [19:49] is it a bash script? [19:49] sh [19:49] this is the one that runs it --- ati-installer.sh [19:49] when you run: sh WHATEVER --buildpkg slackware/all what happens? [19:50] --buildpkg Slackware/All [19:50] mako-sama (~mako@81.22.28.115) joined ##slackware. [19:50] if I try to run it I keep getting Unrecognized parameter [19:51] what line exactly? [19:52] hmm looks like maybe it starts a process but isn't really the installer [19:52] http://pastebin.com/x3vhfLP2 [19:52] other files to start it, it looks like [19:52] just have to figure which one I can run: [19:52] http://pastebin.com/Mbp5xGSG [19:53] ok, so it doesn't like Slackware/ALl [19:53] Why are you stuck on using --buildpkg? [19:53] not from there, looks like it just supplys the cmds is all [19:53] are you sure it works from the .run? [19:54] straterra: I'm not but there isn't a slackbuild for fglrx 8.732 and I'm not sure how I'd package this thing to do it like that [19:54] you dont need one for that specific version [19:55] yeah I know that, I'm more stuck on how to package this up into a tar and do it, unless all I need to do is just tar it like it is extracted, or do I need to move things around [19:57] if this .sh won't take Slackware/All i bet the .run didn't either. [19:57] if I look into the tar that is being used for the slackbuild it's like this: [19:57] sar@slackware:~/fglrx/fglrx-installer-8.723.1$ ls [19:57] arch/ etc/ lib/ usr/ x750/ x750_64a/ [19:57] I just did that with 10.5 on a system in virtualbox using the .run file from AMDs website. [19:57] NeanT (~me@188.27.114.50) left irc: Quit: bye [19:57] mancha: the actuall .run takes the cmd if that's what you mean [19:57] '--buildpkg Slackware/All' built packages which installed./ [19:57] I can't test it, of course, since it's in a virtual machine. [19:58] Extract the source, patch, compile, package with makepkg, done [19:58] adamk: running the cmd isn't the problem for the moment, it's either invoking it in the extracted .run since I patched it OR making the extracted contents into a tar to use the slackbuild to build it [19:58] hiptobecubic (~john@unaffiliated/hiptobecubic) joined ##slackware. [19:59] O [19:59] Or..none of what you just said [19:59] I'm still not sure I understand the problem. I built the packages, installed them, and built the kernel module... All in Slackware 13.1 and all without patching. [19:59] look, the .run just unpacks and runs something else and passes along the arguments [19:59] Though, as I said, I can't test it (load the kernel module) because it's in a virtual machine. [19:59] so if Slackware/All works in the .run it has to work on someting in that unpacked dir [20:00] No it doesn't [20:00] straterra: I'd like to have the slackpkgs for future use if I need them rather then just compiling and installing, that's why I'd like to figure how to tar this all up [20:00] Xgates: and..what I said ALLOWS you to use packages [20:00] Read the makepkg part [20:01] Xgates, is there a "distribs" or "packages" dir in your extracted dir? [20:01] well I can compile source or a kernel but I've never compiled from a binary driver like this, so not sure where to begin [20:01] Begin exactly like I told you [20:02] Extract the sources..patch it..compile it..use makepkg to make a package [20:02] all I remember you saying is extract the source and patch it..and compile like anything else [20:02] ah, selective memory. [20:02] ah yes, i see it, "packages" [20:02] like I said WHERE and how are you compiling this [20:02] I don't see any .config files like a soruce would [20:02] Is there not a make file? [20:02] ugly pastebin you had of that ls! look in packages., is there a Slackware? [20:03] uSlacker (~gmartin@pool-173-62-249-45.phlapa.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:03] not that I've found [20:04] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) joined ##slackware. [20:05] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-251.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:07] i'm still having chroot issues compiling stuff [20:07] Urchlay: ping [20:07] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) joined ##slackware. [20:07] Transformer (~Transform@ool-4a59e397.dyn.optonline.net) left irc: Excess Flood [20:07] yeah this is the spot: [20:07] sar@slackware:~/10.5/packages/Slackware$ ls [20:07] README* TODO* atg.md5sum* ati-packager.sh* languages/ make_module.sh* make_x.sh* module_pkg/ patch/ patch_functions.sh* x_pkg/ [20:08] jeev: I was saying I agreed that I liked "not afraid" [20:08] Xgates, try this just for kicks: sh ati-installer.sh -- --buildpkg Slackware/All [20:08] this thing also has a patch in it, if I'm not mistaken also patches against the fglrx, so not sure [20:09] this might be what's missing since we have a pass-through for the arguments we're prolly short circuiting here [20:09] Xgates: you misunderstood a little.. I said I used it for 32 bit, but the patch was originally designed for 64 bit [20:09] k [20:09] did you read the thread I posted where I got it from? I only saw people on there saying it worked for 64 bit [20:09] wertik_ (~wertik@95-25-93-198.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:09] raela: I am on 64 and it didn't work for me [20:09] however - I was able to install the 10.5 drivers without issues, and use fglrx. I just didn't have direct rendering [20:10] so your issue may be unrelated to them not working for the kernel [20:10] then again, maybe I used 10.4.. I'll check to see what I got, if I still have them [20:10] hello bueller? did you try what I said? [20:11] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [20:12] pizzledizzle (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:12] Xgates: I just confirmed, yes, I install 10.5 with no issues [20:12] other than shitty graphics due to no direct rendering :P [20:12] Hermann (~Hermannn@c-de50e255.226-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:12] sahko (~grbzks@pdpc/supporter/active/grbzks) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:13] not working here I get that failed to load the mod when I try to run modprobe [20:13] What error do you get? What does 'dmesg' show? [20:15] FATAL: Error inserting fglrx (/lib/modules/2.6.33/drivers/char/drm/fglrx.ko): Invalid module format [20:15] did you do what i said yet? [20:16] yeah I ran it [20:16] and it ran right? [20:16] ati-packager.sh: line 84: ./ati-packager-helper.sh: No such file or directory [20:16] ati-packager.sh: line 85: ./ati-packager-helper.sh: No such file or directory [20:16] no [20:16] what line did you use? [20:16] line? [20:17] what command line? [20:17] sh ati-packager.sh --buildpkg Slackware/All [20:17] that's not what i said [20:17] Cann0n: you pang? [20:17] are you still in the dir where you see common and the other stuff? [20:17] sorry I wasn't sure why you were saying the ati-installer.sh when there wasn't one in there [20:18] ok I was in /Slackware [20:18] I'll go to the top [20:18] and run this exactly as i typed it: sh ati-installer.sh -- --buildpkg Slackware/All [20:18] Urchlay: hey, i still couldn't fix that issue compiling gens-gs [20:18] :( [20:19] i cant seem to get around that gtk thing [20:19] it IS installed because i've installed everything on the 12.2 dvd [20:19] mancha: ok that ran but like I said there's a patch in there: [20:19] http://pastebin.com/Jmwa7P0Y [20:19] so either need to remove it or work around it [20:20] ok, start over and don't apply the patch i provided then [20:20] it seems there's already a patch in there [20:20] OR... [20:20] go in and remove that patch since we already know that one doesn't work [20:20] I used that before doesn't work 10.5 for me [20:20] ;p [20:20] Action: Xgates looks for it [20:21] Cann0n: pastebin the latest config.log? I'm sorta doing 2 or 3 things at once though [20:21] some script that patches with patch-8.73x-2.6.33+ [20:21] remove the "patch" line [20:21] BUT I get a believe a chance to not apply it in the cmds [20:21] Apply anyway? [n] n [20:21] Skipping patch. [20:21] Urchlay: i've already searched it. "gtk.h not found" "TESTING failed" [20:22] nah I think it's still patching [20:22] ok let me check it [20:22] hm. the /usr/lib/pkgconfig stuff is supposed to tell the configure script where to find gtk.h... I wonder if the configure script is actually borked [20:22] what are you building, gens-gs from SBo? [20:22] test34 (~test34@unaffiliated/test34) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:22] yeah [20:23] anyone have favorite logo code they can share, i wanna test my logo experiment... [20:23] from the 13.0 or 13.1 repo? [20:23] wertik_ (~wertik@95-25-55-215.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [20:23] 12.2 [20:24] well I don't have any sane way to test 12.2 (I'm sitting in a hotel room using crappy wireless, by the time I got a 12.2 iso downloaded, I'd be on a plane back home...) [20:25] slackytude (~slacky@f051169220.adsl.alicedsl.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:25] mancha: I just removed the patch and the cmd is running and making the packages :) [20:25] I hope this works [20:25] Cann0n: try using the 13.1 script in your 12.2 chroot [20:25] shouldn't teh 12.2 have it's own? [20:26] gens-gs isn't in the 12.2 repo, but plain gens is [20:26] darn it didn't make the modules pack it only made the x server pack [20:26] Slackware package /home/sar/fglrx-x750_64a-8.732-x86_64-1.tgz created. [20:26] ah [20:26] Urchlay: that just clicked in me head [20:26] can't i still compile it on 12.2 though? [20:26] if i change the dirt? [20:26] dirs* [20:26] oh wait I think it did [20:27] well sure, it should compile OK on 12.2, I was just suggesting the 13.1 SBo script as a starting point for you, if you're not already using it [20:27] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:29] i'm gonna try compiling the gen sbo [20:29] for 12.2 [20:30] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Ping timeout: 245 seconds [20:30] guax (~guax@unaffiliated/guaxinim) left irc: Quit: casa [20:30] Syllopsium (~Peter@blears.syllopsium.com) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [20:31] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-89.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:33] shonudo (~user@unaffiliated/shonudo) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:33] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) joined ##slackware. [20:33] mbohun (~mbohun@202.124.74.69) joined ##slackware. [20:33] haldir (~haldir@addr-66.249.234.19.nptpop-cmts02-dial-sub.rdns-bnin.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:33] slackie (~x@unaffiliated/slackie) joined ##slackware. [20:34] adamk (~adamk@unaffiliated/adamk) joined ##slackware. [20:34] mancha: ok I got - fglrx-module-8.732-x86_64-1_kernel_2.6.33.4.tgz and fglrx-x750_64a-8.732-x86_64-1.tgz [20:34] now let's see [20:34] Urchlay: same issue with a 12.2 [20:35] Cann0n: I can't help but think something's wrong with your pkgconfig stuff [20:36] mancha: should I now run any of these? ---> http://pastebin.com/eZiXYGcG [20:36] I only ran so far aticonfig --initial [20:37] yeah sounds good, go for it [20:37] don [20:37] yeah you rmmod radeon and drm? [20:37] dont' gunzup things though [20:38] paul424 (1000@k163-223.DWUDZIESTOLATKA.ds.uni.wroc.pl) left irc: Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401074458] [20:38] nah the mod isn't gunzipped that's to unzip it, if it was [20:38] yeah remove it all, fglrx will load what it nneds when you modprobe it [20:38] k [20:38] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:38] brb [20:38] here's tp hoping [20:38] to... [20:39] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [20:41] Cann0n: do other gtk-using apps compile? [20:42] |ast| (~lilo78@186.137.23.210) joined ##slackware. [20:42] madbear (~dude@c83-253-60-155.bredband.comhem.se) joined ##slackware. [20:42] deco (~deco@unaffiliated/deco) left irc: Quit: leaving [20:42] ckt1g3r (debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/ckt1g3r) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:43] NyteOwl (~sysop@unaffiliated/nyteowl) left irc: Quit: œ¿»Î½ »±²­ [20:44] Urchlay: i doubt it [20:44] tried gens for 12.2 [20:44] try? [20:44] i mean, it compiles under 12.2 i KNOW it does [20:44] i could try it. [20:44] hold on. let me find and download one [20:46] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [20:47] crap it's not working the dang mod still won't load and still complains about invalid format [20:47] Action: Xgates bangs head [20:47] THIS SUCKS! [20:47] tuvok302Lappy_ (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-121.dial.telus.net) joined ##slackware. [20:48] and then Firefox I can't use the damm flash it just crashes on me [20:48] tuvok302Lappy (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt7-port-89.dial.telus.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [20:48] man me and slack aren't getting along this time [20:49] Xgates, Does 'dmesg' show any errors, other than invalid format, when you try to load the module? [20:50] let me look [20:51] tuvok302Lappy_ (NoOneImpor@clgrtnt3-port-121.dial.telus.net) left irc: Client Quit [20:51] hmm I found this: [20:51] fglrx: version magic '2.6.33.4 preempt mod_unload ' should be '2.6.33.4 SMP mod_unload ' [20:51] So the kernel headers you compiled against don't match the kernel you are running. [20:51] otho (~otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Quit: Leaving [20:51] neonflux (~neonflux@64.134.225.2) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [20:51] Namely, the headers don't appear to be for SMP, while the kernel supports SMP. [20:52] I'm using generic at the moment, so I need huge? [20:52] Not really sure how to fix it, but you clearly need headers that match your running kernel. [20:52] oh I need the smp headers is all maybe? [20:52] It has nothing to do with the driver or it's packaging. [20:52] hrm.. Xgates, one thing I did before due to some other issue, was to copy /boot/config to the kernel source dir and do a make [20:53] Yeah, that's definitely worth a shot. [20:53] raela: why did you do that [20:54] cp /boot/config /uar/src/linux/.config [20:54] then just plain make [20:54] s/uar/usr/ [20:54] adamk: oh my bad in 13 they have two lists of modules one for smp and the other, in 13.1 it's all combined [20:54] tflorea (HydraIRC@dhcp184-48-53-230.oakmv.sjc.wayport.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 272 seconds [20:54] Xgates: when I installed 10.5, the module didn't build correctly or something, so I tried to do a manual build and it complained that my kernel version didn't match uname [20:54] Xgates: so adrien recommended I do that [20:55] what it needs the kernel source made? [20:55] Strykar_ (~wakka@122.169.94.35) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [20:55] hmm well that seems a different issue I'll just put huge back in and see what happens [20:55] thanks [20:55] brb [20:55] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [20:56] er.. I'm on generic.. [20:59] karuna (~karuna@202.138.251.203) joined ##slackware. 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[21:23] otho (~otho@unaffiliated/otho) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:24] Cann0n (~jack@unaffiliated/cann0n) left irc: Quit: Lost terminal [21:26] surround1r (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer [21:30] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: :wq! [21:30] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-43-218.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [21:31] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [21:31] surrounder (~surrounde@82-171-65-13.ip.telfort.nl) joined ##slackware. [21:32] hm. I finally figured out why everyone uses s// to denote typos [21:32] :) [21:32] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:33] twoshot_: you did? heh [21:33] yea, been using vi lately [21:34] heh, did not come from vi [21:35] Redness (~redness@c122-108-195-5.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:35] well it's in vi haha [21:35] where did it originally come from [21:35] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [21:35] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-117.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:35] haaa what a hoot I just reinstalled the modules and kernel source and the dang 10.5 worked [21:35] LOL [21:36] perl =] [21:36] boy what a day [21:36] that makes sense [21:36] Now when I log out of blackbox I get these messages about flgrx: [21:36] http://atreus.pastebin.com/UE7AvWZ3 [21:36] I haven't done a lot of perl either [21:36] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Quit: :wq! [21:36] (WW) fglrx: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:0@0:17:0) found [21:36] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) left irc: Client Quit [21:36] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [21:36] anyone got a clue about these no matching device sections? [21:37] MrJackson (Mr@173-86-21-94.dr01.wlbr.pa.frontiernet.net) joined ##slackware. [21:38] ovnicraft (~ovnicraft@190.12.49.114) left irc: Ping timeout: 265 seconds [21:39] PacManLives (~sharp@99-130-61-28.lightspeed.bcvloh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [21:40] dual head video cards frequently have seperate IDs for each head. when there is no matching section for a head you get that error [21:40] Xgates, Harmless. [21:40] artaud (~Artaud@unaffiliated/artaud) joined ##slackware. [21:40] adamk: do you know what's causing it? Or how I can silence them from showing up in the terminal> [21:41] Xgates: my last was intended for you [21:41] andarius explained why it's happening. [21:41] And, no, I can't tell you how to silence them. [21:41] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) left irc: Client Quit [21:41] andarius: ahhh I didn't know a 3200HD would be dual [21:41] Urchlay (~dammit@63.98.153.231) joined ##slackware. [21:41] hmm [21:42] as long as it is dual capable, thats all it takes [21:42] hmm [21:42] ok any way to silence the messages from the term? [21:42] no idea. since they are harmless why does it matter? [21:43] well I thought there was a way to change the logging so that only critical info is printed [21:43] You could redirect STDOUT and STDERR to /dev/null, I guess. [21:43] Seems kind of silly, though. [21:44] Just use a desktop manager instead of startx [21:44] lol [21:44] I only use blackbox, don't think I need a display manager :) [21:45] what's wrong with ignoring the warnings? [21:46] oh I just like neat and tidy so when I run into other issues I don't have to dig around across the screen looking so much, for me I've typically relied on the term for messages when loggin out to see if any problems are going on so I like a neat screen, just me... :) [21:48] andarius: is there a name for these particular warnings? [21:48] like BusID warnings? [21:48] estranho (~estranho@unaffiliated/estranho) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:49] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-117.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:49] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) joined ##slackware. [21:50] asamoah (~caio@190.244.41.59) left irc: Quit: leaving [21:51] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. [21:51] AkiraYB (~FarSeer@201-68-170-218.dsl.telesp.net.br) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.2 [21:51] goj|ghost (~goj@p5488FD42.dip.t-dialin.net) joined ##slackware. [21:52] Nick change: wertik_ -> wertik_rus [21:52] Steaki (~steaki@dsl-hkibrasgw2-ffddc000-253.dhcp.inet.fi) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [21:54] Xgates: no idea [21:55] k [21:55] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-55-215.broadband.corbina.ru) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:55] goj (~goj@p5488FEAA.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [21:55] Nick change: goj|ghost -> goj [21:55] well one last problem and for the life of me I don't know what the heck the deal is but I've tried like 3 different flash versions for x64 and they all cause firefox to crash and disappear anytime I try to go to a site with flash [21:56] Xgates: and that is why I don't use 64 bit on my laptop :) [21:57] flash 64 has never crashed for me [21:57] use the slackbuild in extra [21:57] blaines (~blaines@ip70-190-67-126.ph.ph.cox.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [21:57] yeah I tried 64 bit a while but realized, as a whole, it's not ready... i mean the industry, everyone hasnt caught up, imho [21:58] smoooth: what needs to catch up? [21:58] I had it for a month with 13.0. I had several issues, including flash, so I just gave up [21:58] StarX (~StarX@unaffiliated/stars) left irc: Quit: Leaving [21:58] flash is far from "the industry" [21:58] I use 64 bit on the lab workstation, but anything I use on that was designed for 64 bit [21:58] 64 bit wasnt available for many of the software packages etc, and going multilib caused a lot of issues here and there, overall was less stable [21:59] weird. my experiences have been the complete opposite. i've never had any issues [21:59] though 32 bit flash is currently giving me problems :) I have a talent for breaking things [21:59] a lot more headache for a lot less benefit, for me anyway,... of course i have less than 2GB [21:59] the only thing i can even nanme that would be needed in 32bit is wine, and in that case i'd just use multilib [22:00] it worked decent, but I'm just going to hold off a bit longer, perhaps we'll have everything 64 bit by then, including wine lol, MAYBE :) [22:00] wine is 64bit too [22:00] |Slacker| (~cris@201.22.54.42.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) joined ##slackware. [22:00] already? nice [22:01] the problem is running 32 bit windows applications requires 32bit wine [22:01] and windows barely has anything that is 64bit [22:01] ahh i see [22:01] so you basically need 32bit wine to make it worth even using it [22:02] oh, downside to 64 bit - ndiswrapper :P [22:02] the driver wrapper thing? [22:02] yeah. you need 64 bit xp drivers for it to work [22:02] those are rare [22:02] which um.. finding those is hard. I couldn't find it for either usb stick I tried to get to work [22:03] exactly [22:03] all of my hardware works fine without windows drivers [22:03] you don't need to get a windows driver to use a usb drive [22:03] I was using centos (for 2 weeks) and it didn't have the drivers in the kernel [22:03] for usb wireless [22:03] oh [22:03] centos is probably the problem [22:04] i bet the kernel is older than the device you are using [22:04] guys, what torrent client do you recommend, with web interface? [22:04] yeah centos was special. I was waiting for the school network to authorize me to connect it [22:04] zaltekk: nope it still crashes and won't run [22:04] I couldn't get sensors for my hardware on centos.. was too new for the kernel, and of course centos doesn't support kernel updates [22:04] powtrix: i personally use ssh+screen+rtorrent [22:05] just seems like I would come across some obscure applications that I use, that would crash, or werent 64 bit yet,.. they probably will be soon.. [22:05] Xgates: flash? that is strange. i have always used it and never had a problem. do all flash videos crash or just some? [22:05] smoooth: yeah, I couldn't get stepmania 64 bit working [22:05] zaltekk: if I try to get firefox to go to any site that has flash the browser just dissappears [22:06] ok zaltekk [22:06] I'm sick of FF anyways I wonder if there is a Chromium for 13.1 [22:06] if you install Gconf yes [22:07] raela: haha, yeah DEFINITELY downgrade to 32 bit for that one :) [22:07] pizdets (~pizdets@pool-96-250-215-244.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds [22:07] Anyone still use pine, elm or mutt? [22:07] no [22:08] mfillpot (~mfillpot@pool-74-99-79-194.nrflva.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:08] people use mutt all the time [22:08] i miss pine [22:08] can't you use alpine? [22:08] Can you set mutt NOT to download attachments? [22:09] probably [22:09] wertik_rus (~wertik@95-25-55-215.broadband.corbina.ru) joined ##slackware. [22:10] iceheart (~nihao@221.235.188.82) joined ##slackware. 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[22:25] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:25] yeah looks like you can set multiple disk drives as one logical drive and spread your linux filesystem across it [22:26] Redness (~redness@c122-108-167-28.rochd4.qld.optusnet.com.au) left irc: Quit: Get MacIrssi - http://www.sysctl.co.uk/projects/macirssi/ [22:27] j0z (~UNIX@unaffiliated/j0z) joined ##slackware. [22:27] I just can't wait until it's stable enough to toss out reiser4 on the mail servers [22:27] reiser4 is a big enough of a headache already whenever a bug is found... [22:28] i wonder if btrfs is going to have some of the same issues, seems to be based off the same concepts [22:28] both btrfs and reiser4 are good with lots of small files (i.e. maildirs) [22:28] I doubt it [22:28] btrfs is actively maintained [22:28] shame a whole concept for a fs has lost momentum just because the dude got into trouble with the law [22:28] tavl (~tavl@189.70.229.173) joined ##slackware. [22:29] the only perosn doing anything for reiser4 is edward shishkin, and he rarely has time to do anything with it [22:29] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) joined ##slackware. [22:29] helqg (~slack@188.128.27.54) left irc: Quit: reset [22:29] smoooth: well there's the law aspect and also the fact that he and the kernel devs didn't get along very well. heh. [22:29] did that guy get life in prison? [22:30] I don't know if it is life but he is definitely in prison [22:30] user2438 (~user45925@adsl-76-235-37-216.dsl.dytnoh.sbcglobal.net) joined ##slackware. [22:30] stu_ (~stu@124.13.54.86) joined ##slackware. [22:30] cteg (~heretic@dyndsl-091-096-100-111.ewe-ip-backbone.de) left irc: Quit: this is who we are [22:31] hm.. i accidentally typed startx in konsole (i was in KDE, and for some reason typed startx instead of shutdown), and some error came out, but now i can't startx from the terminal [22:37] so getting back to my last, how can I have the X messages piped to /dev/null so I don't have to look at them on the term when logging out of X? [22:38] I know I hate that too. [22:38] Why can't I ever log out and it just be a nice clean terminal? lol [22:39] bojevnik (~bojevnik@93-103-134-94.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:40] yoyoned1 (todd@c-68-51-26-64.hsd1.ar.comcast.net) left ##slackware. [22:41] haha yea, one of those 'mildly disturbing' things [22:41] stu_ (~stu@124.13.54.86) left irc: Quit: Leaving [22:41] I assume you are using "startx" to get things going ? [22:41] yes [22:42] pipe std error and stdout to /dev/null on the end of the startx command [22:44] what like type "startx >> /dev/null"? [22:44] lol... umm no [22:45] inside the startx file? [22:45] 13.1 don't use a .bashrc anymore? [22:45] startx | /dev/null? [22:45] erm.. no [22:45] i dont think Slackware ever had a .bashrc [22:45] bevil (~tester@222.19.211.68) joined ##slackware. [22:46] i have a .bashrc [22:46] in 13.1 [22:46] the bashrc didn't come with slackware [22:46] wescotte (~wescotte@75-9-90-101.lightspeed.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds [22:46] not one in your home directory [22:47] smoooth: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html <-- examples [22:48] zaltekk: do we have to do anything to make a .bashrc then? [22:48] "touch .bashrc" [22:48] Xgates: just create it and put whatever you want into it [22:49] andarius: thanks [22:49] yw [22:49] I forgot does the top need to have anything in it like -- #!/bin/? [22:50] no [22:50] you don't execute it. it is a configuration file [22:50] bash will find it and handle it [22:51] k [22:52] from what I'm being told I can add this in: [22:52] alias windows="startx &>/dev/null &" [22:54] byteframe (~byteframe@pool-98-118-75-109.bstnma.east.verizon.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection [22:54] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [22:54] accomplishes pretty much what I said earlier with the sad aliasing to windows.... [22:54] And yes, I said sad [22:56] well I'm not much for shell aliases so was that there for like a joke? hehe [22:56] that is sad, indeed, really, you want to type "windows"...... say it isn't so [22:56] A shell alias would be the most efficient way of doing it so you only have to type one command and not a string [22:57] well I'm not to up on shell stuff [22:58] is it just my box or does the mouse not work with X running and Virtualbox tools installed [22:58] what's the windows part there for anyways? [22:58] CelestialWurm (~celestial@24.115.209.159) left irc: Quit: Leaving. [22:58] Xgates: that would alias the command in "" to the name "windows" so that typing "windows" would run the command in the "" [22:59] I thought I'm just placing this in .bashrc and it's being executed [22:59] so you lost me at the 'so that typing windows' part... [22:59] why would you do that? [23:00] to silence X messages on the term when I log out of X [23:00] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds [23:01] tflorea (HydraIRC@dhcp184-48-53-175.oakmv.sjc.wayport.net) joined ##slackware. [23:01] brb [23:01] Xgates (~Xgates@unaffiliated/xgates) left irc: Quit: Ping Timeout ( 0 Seconds ) [23:01] thumbs (1000@modemcable250.220-177-173.mc.videotron.ca) joined ##slackware. [23:01] thrashdude (~thrashdud@d199-74-168-16.try.wideopenwest.com) joined ##slackware. [23:02] maybe he should be introducedto screen as well [23:02] lol [23:02] I think such things may be a leap at this point in time [23:02] :) well.. [23:02] perhaps [23:03] at any rate, Im out [23:03] later [23:04] andarius (~andarius@c-24-98-241-160.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: time is irrelevant [23:04] maduser (~kevin@pool-71-183-92-140.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined ##slackware. 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[23:44] hitest (~hitest@7conn226.rupert.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving [23:52] say does anyone know if there are linux chromium nightly tar balls? [23:52] all I can find is this: http://build.chromium.org/buildbot/archives/ [23:52] phrag (~phrag@about/slackware/phrag) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out [23:55] sid77 (~sid77@andromeda.slackware.it) joined ##slackware. [23:55] phrag (~phrag@phoenix.slamd64.com) joined ##slackware. [00:00] --- Tue Jun 1 2010